Oddly with p20 you didn't do this, you put up a warning README, and that was far more broken accounting wise. Also you didn't do this with every other release (certainly in the 5.x bugs) which even Ascend acknowledges has fatal bugs in. Perhaps you could elucidate on what QA Ascend do before they make releases, how they decide when to incorporate bug fixes, and what sort of response we should be hoping to get from Ascend in terms of time from [reporting fatal bug with no work around] to [Ascend acknowledge bug] to [Ascend fix bug] to [bug fixed version gets released to customer]. People in Europe would love to know. That's customers, your own account managers, and your competitors. Alex Bligh Xara Networks ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <<A HREF="http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq">http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq</A>> </PRE> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <HR> <STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A HREF="msg08443.html">Re: (ASCEND) Ascend Patch 5.0ap23?</A></STRONG></LI> <UL> <LI><EM>From</EM>: Matt Holdrege <matt@ascend.com></LI> </UL> </UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <HR> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg08457.html">Re: (ASCEND) Ascend Patch 5.0ap23?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg08455.html">Re: (ASCEND) Be careful with 5.0Ap23!</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg07697.html">(ASCEND) What the big ones do</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="mail18.html#08454"><STRONG>Main</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="threads.html#08454"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> </BODY> </HTML>