From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Thu Jan 2 11:59:42 2020 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 11:59:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] My top priority for Linux Message-ID: Shalom I have these lines: #ifdef __linux__ #include #else #include #endif in this program: https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards/blob/master/src/cmw/tiers/cmwA.cc I'd like to see that reduced to simply one line for both FreeBSD, Linux, etc. By the grace of G-d I've managed to trim that program down to 218 lines. If I could get this, it would remove 4 more lines. I'm not sure how to get the ball rolling on this though? Thanks in advance. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - "Great peace have those who love your law, and nothing can make them stumble." Psalms 119:65 http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at lunn.ch Thu Jan 2 12:33:48 2020 From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 19:33:48 +0100 Subject: [tclug-list] My top priority for Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20200102183348.GF1397@lunn.ch> On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 11:59:42AM -0600, Brian Wood wrote: >    Shalom > > I have these lines: > #ifdef __linux__ > #include  > #else > #include > #endif > > in this program: > https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards/blob/master/src/cmw/tiers/cmwA.cc  > > I'd like to see that reduced to simply one line for both > FreeBSD, Linux, etc.  By the grace of G-d I've managed > to trim that program down to 218 lines. If I could get > this, it would remove 4 more lines.   I'm not sure how to > get the ball rolling on this though?  Thanks in advance.   Hi Brian I had to do a bit of research... Stream Control Transmission Protocol is defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4960 It describes the Stream Control Transmission Protocol (SCTP). SCTP is designed to transport Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) signaling messages over IP networks, but is capable of broader applications. SCTP is a reliable transport protocol operating on top of a connectionless packet network such as IP. It offers the following services to its users: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6458 defines the Socket API extensions. But it does not state what header files should be called. The examples do however make use of netinet/sctp.h. After a quick search, i could not find any standard which covers the header file names. So it does seems to be a implementation dependent. But maybe there is some ISO/IEC Telecommunication Standard which covers this? Do you know of any? I think your best way forward is to submit a patch to glibc which makes netinet/sctp.h include linux/sctp.h. Argue that rfc6458 suggests this, and it is a backwards compatible change so won't hurt anything, and is compatible with other some other libc implementations. Andrew From chapinjeff at gmail.com Thu Jan 2 13:20:54 2020 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 13:20:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] My top priority for Linux In-Reply-To: <20200102183348.GF1397@lunn.ch> References: <20200102183348.GF1397@lunn.ch> Message-ID: Gerald is a very graceful guy. Is there a particular reason that you want to reduce the line count? Are you actually trying to reduce the *size* of the application? If the ultimate goal is due to size, you may be better off looking to see if this section of code is similar to other files, and replace it with generics. You may even be able to put this whole chunk into a single include file *as written* and still save overall by always including your own headers, from multiple files. That said, in 2020, skimping and saving a few lines or bytes seems like an inefficient use of your time -- the return on investment seems fairly low for most real-world use cases. On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 1:11 PM Andrew Lunn wrote: > On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 11:59:42AM -0600, Brian Wood wrote: > > Shalom > > > > I have these lines: > > #ifdef __linux__ > > #include > > #else > > #include > > #endif > > > > in this program: > > > https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards/blob/master/src/cmw/tiers/cmwA.cc > > > > > I'd like to see that reduced to simply one line for both > > FreeBSD, Linux, etc. By the grace of G-d I've managed > > to trim that program down to 218 lines. If I could get > > this, it would remove 4 more lines. I'm not sure how to > > get the ball rolling on this though? Thanks in advance. > > Hi Brian > > I had to do a bit of research... > > Stream Control Transmission Protocol is defined in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4960 > > It describes the Stream Control Transmission Protocol (SCTP). SCTP is > designed to transport Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) > signaling messages over IP networks, but is capable of broader > applications. > > SCTP is a reliable transport protocol operating on top of a > connectionless packet network such as IP. It offers the following > services to its users: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6458 defines the Socket API > extensions. But it does not state what header files should be called. > The examples do however make use of netinet/sctp.h. > > After a quick search, i could not find any standard which covers the > header file names. So it does seems to be a implementation dependent. > But maybe there is some ISO/IEC Telecommunication Standard which > covers this? Do you know of any? > > I think your best way forward is to submit a patch to glibc which > makes netinet/sctp.h include linux/sctp.h. Argue that rfc6458 suggests > this, and it is a backwards compatible change so won't hurt anything, > and is compatible with other some other libc implementations. > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Wed Jan 8 15:55:54 2020 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:55:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] got fastboot cable? Message-ID: anyone happen to have a fastboot cable i might beg, borrow, or buy? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kurtis at riseup.net Wed Jan 8 17:20:00 2020 From: Kurtis at riseup.net (Kurtis Hanna) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 23:20:00 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardcore Hack Night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e78c04a-86fb-5828-546e-1134dbd29444@riseup.net> Hello everyone, There's a local free software hacker group meeting tomorrow in South Minneapolis if anyone would like to attend. https://www.meetup.com/Linux-Desktop-User-Group/events/267704081/ Cordially, Kurtis From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 13:28:57 2020 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 13:28:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] server setup question Message-ID: Greetings I would like to setup a server that is for in house use only. This is not for outside use. So I'm trying to understand what is a good way to setup the hostname for the server. Do I use localhost? Do I use example.com? Is there some other way to refer to something like a communication/info server? For this thinking maybe something like using the lan NAT address for the machine. I'm not even sure I'm asking the question 'right' and the 'web' is being singularly unhelpful! TIA From nassarmu at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 14:10:10 2020 From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 14:10:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] server setup question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have my own domain, so I use a subdomain that is not on my public dns servers for internal use. You can use anything in the domain part but you really don't want there to ever be a possibility of a collision with a real world domain. .lan is a common default, .localdomain was also frequently used and ive seen .home used as well. If you do have your own domain just make up a subdomain that works for you. in my case I am using .ad.(mydomain).net because I am playing with samba-ad-dc On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 13:29 o1bigtenor wrote: > Greetings > > I would like to setup a server that is for in house use only. This is > not for outside use. > > So I'm trying to understand what is a good way to setup the hostname > for the server. > Do I use localhost? > Do I use example.com? > > Is there some other way to refer to something like a communication/info > server? > For this thinking maybe something like using the lan NAT address > for the machine. > > I'm not even sure I'm asking the question 'right' and the 'web' is > being singularly unhelpful! > > TIA > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 14:36:19 2020 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 14:36:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] server setup question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:10 PM Munir Nassar wrote: > > I have my own domain, so I use a subdomain that is not on my public dns servers for internal use. You can use anything in the domain part but you really don't want there to ever be a possibility of a collision with a real world domain. .lan is a common default, .localdomain was also frequently used and ive seen .home used as well. > > If you do have your own domain just make up a subdomain that works for you. in my case I am using .ad.(mydomain).net because I am playing with samba-ad-dc > Very interesting. Have domains - - - didn't realize that one could use a sub-domain in this way but then I'm new to this stuff and there is so much to cover. Pity there wouldn't be a poor man's guide to networking. Presently there are seemingly about 20 areas every one of which has gotchas. Thanks!! From eng at pinenet.com Tue Jan 21 23:27:20 2020 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 23:27:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] server setup question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <942d5d69-ec89-c42a-5b13-ffc384aeed89@pinenet.com> I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but if you do a web search "linux howto nfs" you might find this https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/preamble.html The old "howto"s might have other networking ideas for you. If you have a man page reader nfs.5 and also some manual listings in volume 8 might help. Suse linux pro used to include the html "howtos" in the disk set, as well as nice man page readers, like tkman and tkinfo, and even pdf books on networking. And included easy set-up tools. I don't think "localhost" is the best network name to choose, however. It is already used, and might confuse. I played with nfs many years ago, but it got silly talking to myself. So now I blink led light bulbs on fancy wired and programmed microcontrollers. o1bigtenor wrote: > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:10 PM Munir Nassar wrote: >> >> I have my own domain, so I use a subdomain that is not on my public dns servers for internal use. You can use anything in the domain part but you really don't want there to ever be a possibility of a collision with a real world domain. .lan is a common default, .localdomain was also frequently used and ive seen .home used as well. >> >> If you do have your own domain just make up a subdomain that works for you. in my case I am using .ad.(mydomain).net because I am playing with samba-ad-dc >> > Very interesting. Have domains - - - didn't realize that one could use > a sub-domain in this way but then I'm new to this stuff and there is > so much to cover. > Pity there wouldn't be a poor man's guide to networking. Presently > there are seemingly about 20 areas every one of which has gotchas. > > Thanks!! > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 04:50:50 2020 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 04:50:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] server setup question In-Reply-To: <942d5d69-ec89-c42a-5b13-ffc384aeed89@pinenet.com> References: <942d5d69-ec89-c42a-5b13-ffc384aeed89@pinenet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 11:41 PM Rick Engebretson wrote: > > I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but if you do a web > search "linux howto nfs" you might find this > > https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/preamble.html > > The old "howto"s might have other networking ideas for you. If you have > a man page reader nfs.5 and also some manual listings in volume 8 might > help. Suse linux pro used to include the html "howtos" in the disk set, > as well as nice man page readers, like tkman and tkinfo, and even pdf > books on networking. And included easy set-up tools. Thank you very much for the pointers!! > > I don't think "localhost" is the best network name to choose, however. > It is already used, and might confuse. Great - - - thanks. > > I played with nfs many years ago, but it got silly talking to myself. So > now I blink led light bulbs on fancy wired and programmed microcontrollers. Well - - - - have started working on such as well - - - - not looking to make lights go blinky though - - got other ideas in mind. Thanks for the ideas!!!! From rhayman at pureice.com Wed Jan 22 08:22:34 2020 From: rhayman at pureice.com (r hayman) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:22:34 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] server setup question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1713b3a78dc0ca17da8ed8485d53e92dc8b6d5b1.camel@pureice.com> I've always just picked a name from a theme and have not used a given domain name on my LAN.Once I used fish as a theme - sunfish, perch, musky, bluegill, ... I use my Ubiquiti EdgeRouter as my DNS and DHCP server and assign given IPs.Then I set up the /etc/hosts files to reflect the IPs I give to my known hosts.I start below the 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localho st::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6section and add my declarationse.g.If I leave the first 128 available as non-assigned, and have DHCP give out addresses to 172.20.100.0/24, then unknown hosts get one of the first 128 IPs.172.20.100.129 bluegill172.20.100.254 ubiquit i fw musky Connecting to the other hosts on the LAN is as easy as $ ssh bluegillor from a browserhttps://bluegill I also create ufw rules on my LAN machines that, for example, only allow ssh from 172.20.100.0/24 or even more restricted than that like 172.20.100.128/25 or /26, /27, /28, or even /29 depending on which IPs I want to give ssh access to other hosts on the LAN. On Tue, 2020-01-21 at 13:28 -0600, o1bigtenor wrote: > Greetings > I would like to setup a server that is for in house use only. This > isnot for outside use. > So I'm trying to understand what is a good way to setup the > hostnamefor the server.Do I use localhost?Do I use example.com? > Is there some other way to refer to something like a > communication/info server? For this thinking maybe something like > using the lan NAT addressfor the machine. > I'm not even sure I'm asking the question 'right' and the 'web' > isbeing singularly unhelpful! > TIA_______________________________________________TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 09:30:12 2020 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 09:30:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] server setup question In-Reply-To: <1713b3a78dc0ca17da8ed8485d53e92dc8b6d5b1.camel@pureice.com> References: <1713b3a78dc0ca17da8ed8485d53e92dc8b6d5b1.camel@pureice.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 8:25 AM r hayman wrote: > > I've always just picked a name from a theme and have not used a given domain name on my LAN. > Once I used fish as a theme - sunfish, perch, musky, bluegill, ... > > I use my Ubiquiti EdgeRouter as my DNS and DHCP server and assign given IPs. > Then I set up the /etc/hosts files to reflect the IPs I give to my known hosts. > I start below the > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost > ::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6 > section and add my declarations > e.g. > If I leave the first 128 available as non-assigned, and have DHCP give out addresses to 172.20.100.0/24, then unknown hosts get one of the first 128 IPs. > 172.20.100.129 bluegill > 172.20.100.254 ubiquiti fw musky > > > Connecting to the other hosts on the LAN is as easy as > $ ssh bluegill > or from a browser > https://bluegill > > I also create ufw rules on my LAN machines that, for example, only allow ssh from 172.20.100.0/24 or even more restricted than that like 172.20.100.128/25 or /26, /27, /28, or even /29 depending on which IPs I want to give ssh access to other hosts on the LAN. > Very very interesting - - - - - thank you!!!! From rhayman at pureice.com Wed Jan 22 17:32:19 2020 From: rhayman at pureice.com (r hayman) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 17:32:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] server setup question In-Reply-To: References: <1713b3a78dc0ca17da8ed8485d53e92dc8b6d5b1.camel@pureice.com> Message-ID: <1579735939.3680.21.camel@pureice.com> On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 09:30 -0600, o1bigtenor wrote: > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 8:25 AM r hayman wrote: > > > > > > I've always just picked a name from a theme and have not used a > > given domain name on my LAN. > > Once I used fish as a theme - sunfish, perch, musky, bluegill, ... > > > > I use my Ubiquiti EdgeRouter as my DNS and DHCP server and assign > > given IPs. > > Then I set up the /etc/hosts files to reflect the IPs I give to my > > known hosts. > > I start below the > > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost > > ::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6 > > section and add my declarations > > e.g. > > If I leave the first 128 available as non-assigned, and have DHCP > > give out addresses to 172.20.100.0/24, then unknown hosts get one > > of the first 128 IPs. > > 172.20.100.129 bluegill > > 172.20.100.254 ubiquiti fw musky > > > > > > Connecting to the other hosts on the LAN is as easy as > > $ ssh bluegill > > or from a browser > > https://bluegill > > > > I also create ufw rules on my LAN machines that, for example, only > > allow ssh from 172.20.100.0/24 or even more restricted than that > > like 172.20.100.128/25 or /26, /27, /28, or even /29 depending on > > which IPs I want to give ssh access to other hosts on the LAN. > > > Very very interesting - - - - - thank you!!!! > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Remember also that you do not want to use certain non-routable/private IP ranges due to how many devices out there default to them and can cause confusion on the LAN keeping your packets from getting to where you want them to go: 10.0.0.x 192.168.0.x 192.168.1.x 192.168.2.x 192.168.10.x I also put my Comcast cable modem in bridge mode so my Ubiquiti router is "on the Internet" and the Comcast box is just a pass-through device. That means I control all my firewall rules and minimize double-NAT issues plus it gives me the option of setting up my own DMZ and VPN server (on the Ubiquiti) to get into my LAN securely from anywhere on the Internet. Have fun and enjoy! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eng at pinenet.com Fri Jan 24 10:01:32 2020 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 10:01:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] server setup question In-Reply-To: References: <942d5d69-ec89-c42a-5b13-ffc384aeed89@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <2a3343c1-bb48-dfa6-5554-dd24129c7f3b@pinenet.com> I'm sure you are better informed than me on your topic, but I thought this was particularly well written and from a great linux site https://www.linux.com/news/what-can-you-do-second-ethernet-port/ Best of luck with your linux adventures. Too many opportunities and too few brain cells here. o1bigtenor wrote: > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 11:41 PM Rick Engebretson wrote: >> >> I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but if you do a web >> search "linux howto nfs" you might find this >> >> https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/preamble.html >> >> The old "howto"s might have other networking ideas for you. If you have >> a man page reader nfs.5 and also some manual listings in volume 8 might >> help. Suse linux pro used to include the html "howtos" in the disk set, >> as well as nice man page readers, like tkman and tkinfo, and even pdf >> books on networking. And included easy set-up tools. > > Thank you very much for the pointers!! >> >> I don't think "localhost" is the best network name to choose, however. >> It is already used, and might confuse. > > Great - - - thanks. >> >> I played with nfs many years ago, but it got silly talking to myself. So >> now I blink led light bulbs on fancy wired and programmed microcontrollers. > > Well - - - - have started working on such as well - - - - not looking > to make lights > go blinky though - - got other ideas in mind. > > Thanks for the ideas!!!! > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 12:15:41 2020 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:15:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] server setup question In-Reply-To: <2a3343c1-bb48-dfa6-5554-dd24129c7f3b@pinenet.com> References: <942d5d69-ec89-c42a-5b13-ffc384aeed89@pinenet.com> <2a3343c1-bb48-dfa6-5554-dd24129c7f3b@pinenet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:01 AM Rick Engebretson wrote: > > I'm sure you are better informed than me on your topic, but I thought > this was particularly well written and from a great linux site > > https://www.linux.com/news/what-can-you-do-second-ethernet-port/ > > Best of luck with your linux adventures. Too many opportunities and too > few brain cells here. > I asked because I see hints of things but can't find actual docs on nftables and ufw. Re: the brain cells - - - - I'm going to work at wearing mine out - - gonna slide out all wore out and broke down - - - mentally AND physically! (L0L) From sdalano at gmail.com Sat Jan 25 09:31:16 2020 From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 09:31:16 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Looking for compatible nics Message-ID: Trying to build a few servers using VMware. Unfortunately, all my current setups use the onboard NIC which are not compatible. Please ping if you have any 1GB or 10GB that are compatible and cost. Mostly Intel are the ones I know. https://www.vmware.com/resources/compatibility/pdf/vi_systems_guide.pdf Live down near Northfield driving up to the cities later. Thank you, Saul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From chapinjeff at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 11:22:05 2020 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:22:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Users needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jesus Christ man! This is not a list for you to spam your religion nor your product. Please refrain from trying to virtue signal or advertise here. Sending spam to this list about your product is a little old, but could you at least clean it up and remove the unneeded self-righteous religion from it? Two thirds of your email are more about religion than anything else, and have no real place on this list, and the other 1/3 is just you, *ONCE AGAIN* trying to plug your product/project on both of these lists -- despite being asked repeatedly to stop. You have been asked on BOTH the cialug list AND the tclug list to stop trying to market your product -- please show some respect to the other members of these lists, *AND* your religion, and keep your posts on topic, off spam, and omit the unneeded references to religion entirely. I'm asking you this on behalf of the other poster -- and on behalf of your own religion, which clearly states that this behavior is not appropriate: Matthew 6:5-6 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." and Matthew 6:7 “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words." If you are interested, I am willing to continue a theological discussion off-list about how some people may not appreciate being described as 'made in the image of your god', or being compared to angels, but that is incredibly off-topic for this list. Jeff On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:59 AM Brian Wood wrote: > Shalom > > I was watching Wheel of Fortune yesterday and > there was a young man on named Divine Favor. > Pat asked him about his name and he said that > his mother wanted to name him Divine and his > father wanted to name him Favor. I might have > proposed flipping a coin, but they decided to use > both names. > > According to the Bible we are made in the image of > G-d and have the potential for good. So I'd like to > call on your better angels and ask for references > who might be interested in using my C++ code generator. > There's a substantial bonus for a successful reference here: > http://webEbenezer.net/about.html > . > > Thanks. > > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoy programming again. > https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Two thirds of your email are more about religion than anything > else, and have no real place on this list, and the other 1/3 is just you, > *ONCE AGAIN* trying to plug your product/project on both of these lists -- > despite being asked repeatedly to stop. > > You have been asked on BOTH the cialug list AND the tclug list to stop > trying to market your product -- please show some respect to the other > members of these lists, *AND* your religion, and keep your posts on topic, > off spam, and omit the unneeded references to religion entirely. I'm > asking you this on behalf of the other poster -- and on behalf of your own > religion, which clearly states that this behavior is not appropriate: > > Matthew 6:5-6 > > “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray > standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. > Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you > pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is > unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. > " > > and > > Matthew 6:7 > > “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for > they think that they will be heard for their many words." > > > If you are interested, I am willing to continue a theological discussion > off-list about how some people may not appreciate being described as 'made > in the image of your god', or being compared to angels, but that is > incredibly off-topic for this list. > > > Jeff > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:59 AM Brian Wood wrote: > >> Shalom >> >> I was watching Wheel of Fortune yesterday and >> there was a young man on named Divine Favor. >> Pat asked him about his name and he said that >> his mother wanted to name him Divine and his >> father wanted to name him Favor. I might have >> proposed flipping a coin, but they decided to use >> both names. >> >> According to the Bible we are made in the image of >> G-d and have the potential for good. So I'd like to >> call on your better angels and ask for references >> who might be interested in using my C++ code generator. >> There's a substantial bonus for a successful reference here: >> http://webEbenezer.net/about.html >> . >> >> Thanks. >> >> Brian >> Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoy programming again. >> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -- > Jeff Chapin > President, CedarLug, retired > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > President, UNI Scuba Club > Senator, NISG, retired > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chapinjeff at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 11:39:55 2020 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:39:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Users needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll admit I re-wrote that email about 6 times. The only reason I even replied was because he has been asked to stop BOTH of these inappropriate behaviors repeatedly (on, and off list), and he almost always refuses to engage to discuss his behavior, nor does he cut it out, either. For some reason he is the *ONLY* person that is on a mailing list with me that I could accurately guess if they are religious or not -- and for some reason he refuses to understand why his behavior is not appropriate for a list like these. On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:35 AM Munir Nassar wrote: > Thank you Jeff, you showed more restraint that I was going to. > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 11:22 Jeff Chapin wrote: > >> Jesus Christ man! >> >> This is not a list for you to spam your religion nor your product. Please >> refrain from trying to virtue signal or advertise here. >> >> Sending spam to this list about your product is a little old, but could >> you at least clean it up and remove the unneeded self-righteous religion >> from it? Two thirds of your email are more about religion than anything >> else, and have no real place on this list, and the other 1/3 is just you, >> *ONCE AGAIN* trying to plug your product/project on both of these lists -- >> despite being asked repeatedly to stop. >> >> You have been asked on BOTH the cialug list AND the tclug list to stop >> trying to market your product -- please show some respect to the other >> members of these lists, *AND* your religion, and keep your posts on topic, >> off spam, and omit the unneeded references to religion entirely. I'm >> asking you this on behalf of the other poster -- and on behalf of your own >> religion, which clearly states that this behavior is not appropriate: >> >> Matthew 6:5-6 >> >> “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray >> standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. >> Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you >> pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is >> unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. >> " >> >> and >> >> Matthew 6:7 >> >> “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, >> for they think that they will be heard for their many words." >> >> >> If you are interested, I am willing to continue a theological discussion >> off-list about how some people may not appreciate being described as 'made >> in the image of your god', or being compared to angels, but that is >> incredibly off-topic for this list. >> >> >> Jeff >> >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:59 AM Brian Wood >> wrote: >> >>> Shalom >>> >>> I was watching Wheel of Fortune yesterday and >>> there was a young man on named Divine Favor. >>> Pat asked him about his name and he said that >>> his mother wanted to name him Divine and his >>> father wanted to name him Favor. I might have >>> proposed flipping a coin, but they decided to use >>> both names. >>> >>> According to the Bible we are made in the image of >>> G-d and have the potential for good. So I'd like to >>> call on your better angels and ask for references >>> who might be interested in using my C++ code generator. >>> There's a substantial bonus for a successful reference here: >>> http://webEbenezer.net/about.html >>> . >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Brian >>> Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoy programming again. >>> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jeff Chapin >> President, CedarLug, retired >> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" >> President, UNI Scuba Club >> Senator, NISG, retired >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jglouisjr at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 11:40:28 2020 From: jglouisjr at gmail.com (James Louis) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:40:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Users needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 👍 Thank you! On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:22 AM Jeff Chapin wrote: > Jesus Christ man! > > This is not a list for you to spam your religion nor your product. Please > refrain from trying to virtue signal or advertise here. > > Sending spam to this list about your product is a little old, but could > you at least clean it up and remove the unneeded self-righteous religion > from it? Two thirds of your email are more about religion than anything > else, and have no real place on this list, and the other 1/3 is just you, > *ONCE AGAIN* trying to plug your product/project on both of these lists -- > despite being asked repeatedly to stop. > > You have been asked on BOTH the cialug list AND the tclug list to stop > trying to market your product -- please show some respect to the other > members of these lists, *AND* your religion, and keep your posts on topic, > off spam, and omit the unneeded references to religion entirely. I'm > asking you this on behalf of the other poster -- and on behalf of your own > religion, which clearly states that this behavior is not appropriate: > > Matthew 6:5-6 > > “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray > standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. > Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you > pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is > unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. > " > > and > > Matthew 6:7 > > “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for > they think that they will be heard for their many words." > > > If you are interested, I am willing to continue a theological discussion > off-list about how some people may not appreciate being described as 'made > in the image of your god', or being compared to angels, but that is > incredibly off-topic for this list. > > > Jeff > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:59 AM Brian Wood wrote: > >> Shalom >> >> I was watching Wheel of Fortune yesterday and >> there was a young man on named Divine Favor. >> Pat asked him about his name and he said that >> his mother wanted to name him Divine and his >> father wanted to name him Favor. I might have >> proposed flipping a coin, but they decided to use >> both names. >> >> According to the Bible we are made in the image of >> G-d and have the potential for good. So I'd like to >> call on your better angels and ask for references >> who might be interested in using my C++ code generator. >> There's a substantial bonus for a successful reference here: >> http://webEbenezer.net/about.html >> . >> >> Thanks. >> >> Brian >> Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoy programming again. >> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -- > Jeff Chapin > President, CedarLug, retired > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > President, UNI Scuba Club > Senator, NISG, retired > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- *----------------------------------------* * Jim Louis \\\\||//// \ ~ ~ / | @ @ |* *--oOo---(_)---oOo--* “It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. 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Looking at his 'business' website, including the links to what appear to be hate groups, and his long history of similar posts he is one hell of a troll. This is the same guy that was posting illegal employment ads 'for good Christian men's years ago. Troll or not, enough is enough. On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 5:31 PM Iznogoud wrote: > I think we are being trolled. > > Level: Pro. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eng at pinenet.com Wed Jan 29 21:35:03 2020 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 21:35:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Users needed In-Reply-To: References: <20200129231006.GA1686@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <871ba3eb-1b84-327c-7692-0a5b2313e82b@pinenet.com> I'm sure you are all right about this very improper post. But let me suggest we are ALL crazy these days with, apparently, the worst sunshine since records began in 1963. And I would add, this impeachment hatefest requires some salvation. I'm sure the city also looks like hell with old dirty snow. If I knew how to change topics I really want to find somebody who knows how to solder simple microcontroller boards. Are there any prototyping shops left in the city?? I would love to do some business with some civilized humans. Jeff Chapin wrote: > It's telling that he is not defending his behavior here, or on the other > list he threw a grenade at, nor has he ever bothered to try and defend it. > > Looking at his 'business' website, including the links to what appear to > be hate groups, and his long history of similar posts he is one hell of > a troll. This is the same guy that was posting illegal employment ads > 'for good Christian men's years ago. > > Troll or not, enough is enough. > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 5:31 PM Iznogoud > wrote: > > I think we are being trolled. > > Level: Pro. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From iznogoud at nobelware.com Thu Jan 30 08:49:20 2020 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:49:20 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Users needed In-Reply-To: <871ba3eb-1b84-327c-7692-0a5b2313e82b@pinenet.com> References: <20200129231006.GA1686@nobelware.com> <871ba3eb-1b84-327c-7692-0a5b2313e82b@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20200130144920.GA3920@nobelware.com> Let's make this topic useful. > > If I knew how to change topics I really want to find somebody who knows > how to solder simple microcontroller boards. Are there any prototyping > shops left in the city?? I would love to do some business with some > civilized humans. > You do not need a soldered board to prototype. Use a "bread board" and put it together. Make it work first, then worry about soldering. That is how to do it. Also, learning to solder --I am terrible at it-- is a great skill to have. And having the right tools for doing it greatly accelerates quality and speed. But right now you do not need this to prototype something. From eng at pinenet.com Thu Jan 30 12:49:59 2020 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 12:49:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. Message-ID: As always, thanks for your feedback. I have a nice breadboard, and some nice proto boards from "Protostack," and 3 Atmel STK500 development kits, and AVR Studio on 5 machines, and chips, and working software. I'm ready to have some soldering done. I would have replied to your kind response earlier. But about 8:30 AM I heard a clang outside and a little up the dirt road an old guy was climbing out of his truck in the ditch. He was very lucky he broke the sign post or he would have rolled it. He was in his 80s and it took two trips from the towing company in Hinckley to get him out. The towing company needed a bigger truck and a helper. It cost me $200 to get the old guy down the road without a heart attack, and he was wearing my brand new pair of dry wool socks leaving his wet socks on my wood stove. The old guy was great to meet. But I need civilization. I've tried FreeGeeks. Maybe some day I'll donate some nice stuff when I think they have people who know what it is. Iznogoud wrote: > Let's make this topic useful. > >> >> If I knew how to change topics I really want to find somebody who knows >> how to solder simple microcontroller boards. Are there any prototyping >> shops left in the city?? I would love to do some business with some >> civilized humans. >> > > You do not need a soldered board to prototype. Use a "bread board" and put > it together. Make it work first, then worry about soldering. That is how to > do it. > > Also, learning to solder --I am terrible at it-- is a great skill to have. > And having the right tools for doing it greatly accelerates quality and speed. > But right now you do not need this to prototype something. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Thu Jan 30 16:25:27 2020 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:25:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <818F2B95-BB70-4D03-8977-B46A3A5E6B19@cwis.biz> Home much soldering are you talking about? Are we looking at SMC or through-hole? I also suck at soldering but THC is a bit easier to work with than SMC for me because of a general lack of small-tool dexterity in my hands. — Ryan > On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > As always, thanks for your feedback. > > I have a nice breadboard, and some nice proto boards from "Protostack," and 3 Atmel STK500 development kits, and AVR Studio on 5 machines, and chips, and working software. I'm ready to have some soldering done. > > I would have replied to your kind response earlier. But about 8:30 AM I heard a clang outside and a little up the dirt road an old guy was climbing out of his truck in the ditch. He was very lucky he broke the sign post or he would have rolled it. He was in his 80s and it took two trips from the towing company in Hinckley to get him out. The towing company needed a bigger truck and a helper. It cost me $200 to get the old guy down the road without a heart attack, and he was wearing my brand new pair of dry wool socks leaving his wet socks on my wood stove. The old guy was great to meet. But I need civilization. > > I've tried FreeGeeks. Maybe some day I'll donate some nice stuff when I think they have people who know what it is. > > > Iznogoud wrote: > > Let's make this topic useful. > > > >> > >> If I knew how to change topics I really want to find somebody who knows > >> how to solder simple microcontroller boards. Are there any prototyping > >> shops left in the city?? I would love to do some business with some > >> civilized humans. > >> > > > > You do not need a soldered board to prototype. Use a "bread board" and put > > it together. Make it work first, then worry about soldering. That is how to > > do it. > > > > Also, learning to solder --I am terrible at it-- is a great skill to have. > > And having the right tools for doing it greatly accelerates quality and speed. > > But right now you do not need this to prototype something. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at rrt.net Thu Jan 30 17:03:19 2020 From: bgilbertson at rrt.net (Robert Gilbertson) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 17:03:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. Message-ID: <5e3360b7.7612.93fea700.19943084@rrt.net> Rick, I have used both the STK500 and Atmel-ICE programmers and think they are overpriced. I have migrated to OpenOCD on a Pi. Also avoids vendor lock-in to Atmel and allows ST Micro, Renesas, Freescale, NXP or other uC's to be used. Lady Ada has a nice tutorial on her site beginning here: https://learn.adafruit.com/programming-microcontrollers-using-openocd-on-raspberry-pi It allows programming many uC that use SWD or JTAG and has a debugger. Might also check out some of the other dev boards Adafruit has. Elecrow's crowtail or crowduino boards may be of interest also. Elecrow also manufactures inexpensive boards if you are proficient with KiCad or Eagle and don't mind soldering. Happy hacking, Bob On Thursday 30/01/2020 at 12:50 pm, Rick Engebretson wrote: > As always, thanks for your feedback. > > I have a nice breadboard, and some nice proto boards from > "Protostack," > and 3 Atmel STK500 development kits, and AVR Studio on 5 machines, and > chips, and working software. I'm ready to have some soldering done. > > I would have replied to your kind response earlier. But about 8:30 AM > I > heard a clang outside and a little up the dirt road an old guy was > climbing out of his truck in the ditch. He was very lucky he broke the > sign post or he would have rolled it. He was in his 80s and it took > two > trips from the towing company in Hinckley to get him out. The towing > company needed a bigger truck and a helper. It cost me $200 to get the > old guy down the road without a heart attack, and he was wearing my > brand new pair of dry wool socks leaving his wet socks on my wood > stove. > The old guy was great to meet. But I need civilization. > > I've tried FreeGeeks. Maybe some day I'll donate some nice stuff when > I > think they have people who know what it is. > > > Iznogoud wrote: >> Let's make this topic useful. >> >>> > >> If I knew how to change topics I really want to find somebody who > knows > >> how to solder simple microcontroller boards. Are there any > prototyping >>> shops left in the city?? I would love to do some business with some >>> civilized humans. >>> >> >> You do not need a soldered board to prototype. Use a "bread board" > and put >> it together. Make it work first, then worry about soldering. That is > how to >> do it. >> >> Also, learning to solder --I am terrible at it-- is a great skill to > have. >> And having the right tools for doing it greatly accelerates quality > and speed. >> But right now you do not need this to prototype something. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have many old male serial ribbon motherboard connectors I can worry about...same with power sources. I know there are plenty 2 and even 4 wire converters, but not 8 wire. Both Linux and any microcontroller can use all 8 pins with a Linux interrupt. According to the TI spec sheet, some capacitors are also needed. A 20 pin through hole dip socket soldered in for the 75196 is preferred. I can send you a protostack board and 75196 chip in the mail and you hopefully might have much better ideas than me. The key for me is I want ALL 8 lines wired because Linux knows how to use them. Ryan Coleman wrote: > Home much soldering are you talking about? Are we looking at SMC or through-hole? > > I also suck at soldering but THC is a bit easier to work with than SMC for me because of a general lack of small-tool dexterity in my hands. > > — > Ryan > > >> On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >> >> As always, thanks for your feedback. >> >> I have a nice breadboard, and some nice proto boards from "Protostack," and 3 Atmel STK500 development kits, and AVR Studio on 5 machines, and chips, and working software. I'm ready to have some soldering done. >> >> I would have replied to your kind response earlier. But about 8:30 AM I heard a clang outside and a little up the dirt road an old guy was climbing out of his truck in the ditch. He was very lucky he broke the sign post or he would have rolled it. He was in his 80s and it took two trips from the towing company in Hinckley to get him out. The towing company needed a bigger truck and a helper. It cost me $200 to get the old guy down the road without a heart attack, and he was wearing my brand new pair of dry wool socks leaving his wet socks on my wood stove. The old guy was great to meet. But I need civilization. >> >> I've tried FreeGeeks. Maybe some day I'll donate some nice stuff when I think they have people who know what it is. >> >> >> Iznogoud wrote: >>> Let's make this topic useful. >>> >>>> >>>> If I knew how to change topics I really want to find somebody who knows >>>> how to solder simple microcontroller boards. Are there any prototyping >>>> shops left in the city?? I would love to do some business with some >>>> civilized humans. >>>> >>> >>> You do not need a soldered board to prototype. Use a "bread board" and put >>> it together. Make it work first, then worry about soldering. That is how to >>> do it. >>> >>> Also, learning to solder --I am terrible at it-- is a great skill to have. >>> And having the right tools for doing it greatly accelerates quality and speed. >>> But right now you do not need this to prototype something. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andrew at lunn.ch Thu Jan 30 19:40:55 2020 From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 02:40:55 +0100 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. In-Reply-To: <0654bd18-520a-8581-361d-c1913d6fdf02@pinenet.com> References: <818F2B95-BB70-4D03-8977-B46A3A5E6B19@cwis.biz> <0654bd18-520a-8581-361d-c1913d6fdf02@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20200131014055.GA9639@lunn.ch> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 07:12:51PM -0600, Rick Engebretson wrote: > Thanks Ryan. > > The first thing I want is an RS232 to TTL board. Hi Rick Maybe not exactly what you want, but you can get FTDI 'cables' which are TTL RS232 one side, USB the other, with full flow control. https://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBTTLSerial.htm And there are other vendors making similar things. Andrew From eng at pinenet.com Thu Jan 30 20:40:54 2020 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:40:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. In-Reply-To: <5e3360b7.7612.93fea700.19943084@rrt.net> References: <5e3360b7.7612.93fea700.19943084@rrt.net> Message-ID: <7c0043d6-5ae8-a625-6908-edca3d479e97@pinenet.com> You are clearly way ahead of me. And I deeply respect your efforts. It's a big important field, obviously. I don't claim expert. But I recently re-read some old AVR assembly language tutorial by Gerhard Schmidt. Many years ago I revised his AVR assembler, written in FreePascal, using the old Unix editor NEdit. I love long descriptive names for functions and variables, and was amazed the assembler still worked after my assault. I don't know if I read it before, but he also had a small serial port ATMEGA8515 control program for PWM and used the ancient ANSI terminal escape sequences to colorize his output. I had done an 8515 interrupt controlled serial IO and added terminal control characters to the template. And separately had done both a FreePascal and TCL terminal escape sequences coloring control. These beautiful modern Linux terminal emulators can do a lot of user interfacing. The reason I like the 8515 is because it has external memory capability. And old Atmel Studio 4 really helped me understand, to the extent I do, programming these complex little chips. I'm just hoping to do more with what I have. I'm glad this thread encouraged so many wonderful people to teach me more. Thanks again. Robert Gilbertson wrote: > Rick, > > I have used both the STK500 and Atmel-ICE programmers and think they are > overpriced. > I have migrated to OpenOCD on a Pi. > Also avoids vendor lock-in to Atmel and allows ST Micro, Renesas, > Freescale, NXP or other uC's to be used. > > Lady Ada has a nice tutorial on her site beginning here: > https://learn.adafruit.com/programming-microcontrollers-using-openocd-on-raspberry-pi > > It allows programming many uC that use SWD or JTAG and has a debugger. > > Might also check out some of the other dev boards Adafruit has. > Elecrow's crowtail or crowduino boards may be of interest also. > Elecrow also manufactures inexpensive boards if you are proficient with > KiCad or Eagle and don't mind soldering. > > Happy hacking, > Bob > > On Thursday 30/01/2020 at 12:50 pm, Rick Engebretson wrote: >> As always, thanks for your feedback. >> >> I have a nice breadboard, and some nice proto boards from "Protostack," >> and 3 Atmel STK500 development kits, and AVR Studio on 5 machines, and >> chips, and working software. I'm ready to have some soldering done. >> >> I would have replied to your kind response earlier. But about 8:30 AM I >> heard a clang outside and a little up the dirt road an old guy was >> climbing out of his truck in the ditch. He was very lucky he broke the >> sign post or he would have rolled it. He was in his 80s and it took two >> trips from the towing company in Hinckley to get him out. The towing >> company needed a bigger truck and a helper. It cost me $200 to get the >> old guy down the road without a heart attack, and he was wearing my >> brand new pair of dry wool socks leaving his wet socks on my wood stove. >> The old guy was great to meet. But I need civilization. >> >> I've tried FreeGeeks. Maybe some day I'll donate some nice stuff when I >> think they have people who know what it is. >> >> >> Iznogoud wrote: >> > Let's make this topic useful. >> > >> >> >> >> If I knew how to change topics I really want to find somebody who knows >> >> how to solder simple microcontroller boards. Are there any prototyping >> >> shops left in the city?? I would love to do some business with some >> >> civilized humans. >> >> >> > >> > You do not need a soldered board to prototype. Use a "bread board" >> and put >> > it together. Make it work first, then worry about soldering. That is >> how to >> > do it. >> > >> > Also, learning to solder --I am terrible at it-- is a great skill to >> have. >> > And having the right tools for doing it greatly accelerates quality >> and speed. >> > But right now you do not need this to prototype something. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From eng at pinenet.com Thu Jan 30 21:27:26 2020 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:27:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. In-Reply-To: <20200131014055.GA9639@lunn.ch> References: <818F2B95-BB70-4D03-8977-B46A3A5E6B19@cwis.biz> <0654bd18-520a-8581-361d-c1913d6fdf02@pinenet.com> <20200131014055.GA9639@lunn.ch> Message-ID: <0cdf80f5-555e-6eed-f874-1df1575a604f@pinenet.com> Just because I think like an old man doesn't mean you should, too. That is a great link to a great company with great products. Not to be too stodgy, but 8 hardware interrupt triggering signals on the ancient Linux UART is still pretty cool. And "push pull" +-12V is still a pretty good industrial signal. I wonder what Infrared is all about?? Andrew Lunn wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 07:12:51PM -0600, Rick Engebretson wrote: >> Thanks Ryan. >> >> The first thing I want is an RS232 to TTL board. > > Hi Rick > > Maybe not exactly what you want, but you can get FTDI 'cables' which > are TTL RS232 one side, USB the other, with full flow control. > > https://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBTTLSerial.htm > > And there are other vendors making similar things. > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Thu Jan 30 21:44:17 2020 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:44:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. In-Reply-To: <0654bd18-520a-8581-361d-c1913d6fdf02@pinenet.com> References: <818F2B95-BB70-4D03-8977-B46A3A5E6B19@cwis.biz> <0654bd18-520a-8581-361d-c1913d6fdf02@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <9A5FB0F9-C998-4479-8C87-891F7A5FD5B6@cwis.biz> It would appear that you don’t have PCBs yet… That’s what I was trying to figure out. You need to design your prototyping boards and have them printed - then we have something to solder. Until then… — Ryan > On Jan 30, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > Thanks Ryan. > > The first thing I want is an RS232 to TTL board. I have several TI SN75196 driver/receiver through hole chips designed for the modem side of the interface. They require +- high voltage, unlike the MAX232 series, but provide full modem control lines 5 drivers and 3 receivers. TI has full application specs, and I can email the data sheet to you privately. I have "Protostack" IDC header boards that can directly accept the old ribbon connectors with serial DSUB, or if somehow easy, directly mount the female serial port connector. I have many old male serial ribbon motherboard connectors I can worry about...same with power sources. > > I know there are plenty 2 and even 4 wire converters, but not 8 wire. Both Linux and any microcontroller can use all 8 pins with a Linux interrupt. According to the TI spec sheet, some capacitors are also needed. A 20 pin through hole dip socket soldered in for the 75196 is preferred. > > I can send you a protostack board and 75196 chip in the mail and you hopefully might have much better ideas than me. The key for me is I want ALL 8 lines wired because Linux knows how to use them. > > Ryan Coleman wrote: >> Home much soldering are you talking about? Are we looking at SMC or through-hole? >> >> I also suck at soldering but THC is a bit easier to work with than SMC for me because of a general lack of small-tool dexterity in my hands. >> >> — >> Ryan >> >> >>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>> >>> As always, thanks for your feedback. >>> >>> I have a nice breadboard, and some nice proto boards from "Protostack," and 3 Atmel STK500 development kits, and AVR Studio on 5 machines, and chips, and working software. I'm ready to have some soldering done. >>> >>> I would have replied to your kind response earlier. But about 8:30 AM I heard a clang outside and a little up the dirt road an old guy was climbing out of his truck in the ditch. He was very lucky he broke the sign post or he would have rolled it. He was in his 80s and it took two trips from the towing company in Hinckley to get him out. The towing company needed a bigger truck and a helper. It cost me $200 to get the old guy down the road without a heart attack, and he was wearing my brand new pair of dry wool socks leaving his wet socks on my wood stove. The old guy was great to meet. But I need civilization. >>> >>> I've tried FreeGeeks. Maybe some day I'll donate some nice stuff when I think they have people who know what it is. >>> >>> >>> Iznogoud wrote: >>>> Let's make this topic useful. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> If I knew how to change topics I really want to find somebody who knows >>>>> how to solder simple microcontroller boards. Are there any prototyping >>>>> shops left in the city?? I would love to do some business with some >>>>> civilized humans. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You do not need a soldered board to prototype. Use a "bread board" and put >>>> it together. Make it work first, then worry about soldering. That is how to >>>> do it. >>>> >>>> Also, learning to solder --I am terrible at it-- is a great skill to have. >>>> And having the right tools for doing it greatly accelerates quality and speed. >>>> But right now you do not need this to prototype something. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Thu Jan 30 22:12:37 2020 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 22:12:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. In-Reply-To: <9A5FB0F9-C998-4479-8C87-891F7A5FD5B6@cwis.biz> References: <818F2B95-BB70-4D03-8977-B46A3A5E6B19@cwis.biz> <0654bd18-520a-8581-361d-c1913d6fdf02@pinenet.com> <9A5FB0F9-C998-4479-8C87-891F7A5FD5B6@cwis.biz> Message-ID: <4cd9758e-7047-a039-1cf1-4af0b9864111@pinenet.com> Sorry I wasn't more clear, the "Protostack" board is definitely a PCB. The company is from Australia and has a very nice web site devoted to microcontroller development boards and components. Maybe worth a look. Ryan Coleman wrote: > It would appear that you don’t have PCBs yet… That’s what I was trying to figure out. > > You need to design your prototyping boards and have them printed - then we have something to solder. Until then… > > — > Ryan > >> On Jan 30, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >> >> Thanks Ryan. >> >> The first thing I want is an RS232 to TTL board. I have several TI SN75196 driver/receiver through hole chips designed for the modem side of the interface. They require +- high voltage, unlike the MAX232 series, but provide full modem control lines 5 drivers and 3 receivers. TI has full application specs, and I can email the data sheet to you privately. I have "Protostack" IDC header boards that can directly accept the old ribbon connectors with serial DSUB, or if somehow easy, directly mount the female serial port connector. I have many old male serial ribbon motherboard connectors I can worry about...same with power sources. >> >> I know there are plenty 2 and even 4 wire converters, but not 8 wire. Both Linux and any microcontroller can use all 8 pins with a Linux interrupt. According to the TI spec sheet, some capacitors are also needed. A 20 pin through hole dip socket soldered in for the 75196 is preferred. >> >> I can send you a protostack board and 75196 chip in the mail and you hopefully might have much better ideas than me. The key for me is I want ALL 8 lines wired because Linux knows how to use them. >> >> Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> Home much soldering are you talking about? Are we looking at SMC or through-hole? >>> >>> I also suck at soldering but THC is a bit easier to work with than SMC for me because of a general lack of small-tool dexterity in my hands. >>> >>> — >>> Ryan >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>>> >>>> As always, thanks for your feedback. >>>> >>>> I have a nice breadboard, and some nice proto boards from "Protostack," and 3 Atmel STK500 development kits, and AVR Studio on 5 machines, and chips, and working software. I'm ready to have some soldering done. >>>> >>>> I would have replied to your kind response earlier. But about 8:30 AM I heard a clang outside and a little up the dirt road an old guy was climbing out of his truck in the ditch. He was very lucky he broke the sign post or he would have rolled it. He was in his 80s and it took two trips from the towing company in Hinckley to get him out. The towing company needed a bigger truck and a helper. It cost me $200 to get the old guy down the road without a heart attack, and he was wearing my brand new pair of dry wool socks leaving his wet socks on my wood stove. The old guy was great to meet. But I need civilization. >>>> >>>> I've tried FreeGeeks. Maybe some day I'll donate some nice stuff when I think they have people who know what it is. >>>> >>>> >>>> Iznogoud wrote: >>>>> Let's make this topic useful. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If I knew how to change topics I really want to find somebody who knows >>>>>> how to solder simple microcontroller boards. Are there any prototyping >>>>>> shops left in the city?? I would love to do some business with some >>>>>> civilized humans. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You do not need a soldered board to prototype. Use a "bread board" and put >>>>> it together. Make it work first, then worry about soldering. That is how to >>>>> do it. >>>>> >>>>> Also, learning to solder --I am terrible at it-- is a great skill to have. >>>>> And having the right tools for doing it greatly accelerates quality and speed. >>>>> But right now you do not need this to prototype something. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Thu Jan 30 22:36:57 2020 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 22:36:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. In-Reply-To: <4cd9758e-7047-a039-1cf1-4af0b9864111@pinenet.com> References: <818F2B95-BB70-4D03-8977-B46A3A5E6B19@cwis.biz> <0654bd18-520a-8581-361d-c1913d6fdf02@pinenet.com> <9A5FB0F9-C998-4479-8C87-891F7A5FD5B6@cwis.biz> <4cd9758e-7047-a039-1cf1-4af0b9864111@pinenet.com> Message-ID: Which is why I asked if you needed soldering on SMC or through-hole connectors (THC). But then you talked about other PCBs and wanting to do other things and imply that you weren’t looking for soldering :) > On Jan 30, 2020, at 10:12 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > Sorry I wasn't more clear, the "Protostack" board is definitely a PCB. The company is from Australia and has a very nice web site devoted to microcontroller development boards and components. Maybe worth a look. > > Ryan Coleman wrote: >> It would appear that you don’t have PCBs yet… That’s what I was trying to figure out. >> >> You need to design your prototyping boards and have them printed - then we have something to solder. Until then… >> >> — >> Ryan >> >>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Ryan. >>> >>> The first thing I want is an RS232 to TTL board. I have several TI SN75196 driver/receiver through hole chips designed for the modem side of the interface. They require +- high voltage, unlike the MAX232 series, but provide full modem control lines 5 drivers and 3 receivers. TI has full application specs, and I can email the data sheet to you privately. I have "Protostack" IDC header boards that can directly accept the old ribbon connectors with serial DSUB, or if somehow easy, directly mount the female serial port connector. I have many old male serial ribbon motherboard connectors I can worry about...same with power sources. >>> >>> I know there are plenty 2 and even 4 wire converters, but not 8 wire. Both Linux and any microcontroller can use all 8 pins with a Linux interrupt. According to the TI spec sheet, some capacitors are also needed. A 20 pin through hole dip socket soldered in for the 75196 is preferred. >>> >>> I can send you a protostack board and 75196 chip in the mail and you hopefully might have much better ideas than me. The key for me is I want ALL 8 lines wired because Linux knows how to use them. >>> >>> Ryan Coleman wrote: >>>> Home much soldering are you talking about? Are we looking at SMC or through-hole? >>>> >>>> I also suck at soldering but THC is a bit easier to work with than SMC for me because of a general lack of small-tool dexterity in my hands. >>>> >>>> — >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> As always, thanks for your feedback. >>>>> >>>>> I have a nice breadboard, and some nice proto boards from "Protostack," and 3 Atmel STK500 development kits, and AVR Studio on 5 machines, and chips, and working software. I'm ready to have some soldering done. >>>>> >>>>> I would have replied to your kind response earlier. But about 8:30 AM I heard a clang outside and a little up the dirt road an old guy was climbing out of his truck in the ditch. He was very lucky he broke the sign post or he would have rolled it. He was in his 80s and it took two trips from the towing company in Hinckley to get him out. The towing company needed a bigger truck and a helper. It cost me $200 to get the old guy down the road without a heart attack, and he was wearing my brand new pair of dry wool socks leaving his wet socks on my wood stove. The old guy was great to meet. But I need civilization. >>>>> >>>>> I've tried FreeGeeks. Maybe some day I'll donate some nice stuff when I think they have people who know what it is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Iznogoud wrote: >>>>>> Let's make this topic useful. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I knew how to change topics I really want to find somebody who knows >>>>>>> how to solder simple microcontroller boards. Are there any prototyping >>>>>>> shops left in the city?? I would love to do some business with some >>>>>>> civilized humans. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You do not need a soldered board to prototype. Use a "bread board" and put >>>>>> it together. Make it work first, then worry about soldering. That is how to >>>>>> do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, learning to solder --I am terrible at it-- is a great skill to have. >>>>>> And having the right tools for doing it greatly accelerates quality and speed. >>>>>> But right now you do not need this to prototype something. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Fri Jan 31 08:28:30 2020 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 08:28:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. In-Reply-To: References: <818F2B95-BB70-4D03-8977-B46A3A5E6B19@cwis.biz> <0654bd18-520a-8581-361d-c1913d6fdf02@pinenet.com> <9A5FB0F9-C998-4479-8C87-891F7A5FD5B6@cwis.biz> <4cd9758e-7047-a039-1cf1-4af0b9864111@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <3d7addbb-4e4d-6a74-b34c-e626aab866b9@pinenet.com> I don't know how to be more clear and simple. I asked if anybody knew of a friendly Twin Cities microcontroller prototyping shop to solder some parts. All that followed were diversions from this simple question. A complete Linux RS232 interface to a microcontroller can work. Microcontrollers to LEDs work. A fiber optic cable carries LED light. And a very fine company on the WEB sells quality prototyping parts that deserve soldering skill. https://protostack.com.au/ I don't have time or interest to defend such a simple question to the TCLUG. Ryan Coleman wrote: > Which is why I asked if you needed soldering on SMC or through-hole connectors (THC). But then you talked about other PCBs and wanting to do other things and imply that you weren’t looking for soldering :) > > >> On Jan 30, 2020, at 10:12 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >> >> Sorry I wasn't more clear, the "Protostack" board is definitely a PCB. The company is from Australia and has a very nice web site devoted to microcontroller development boards and components. Maybe worth a look. >> >> Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> It would appear that you don’t have PCBs yet… That’s what I was trying to figure out. >>> >>> You need to design your prototyping boards and have them printed - then we have something to solder. Until then… >>> >>> — >>> Ryan >>> >>>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks Ryan. >>>> >>>> The first thing I want is an RS232 to TTL board. I have several TI SN75196 driver/receiver through hole chips designed for the modem side of the interface. They require +- high voltage, unlike the MAX232 series, but provide full modem control lines 5 drivers and 3 receivers. TI has full application specs, and I can email the data sheet to you privately. I have "Protostack" IDC header boards that can directly accept the old ribbon connectors with serial DSUB, or if somehow easy, directly mount the female serial port connector. I have many old male serial ribbon motherboard connectors I can worry about...same with power sources. >>>> >>>> I know there are plenty 2 and even 4 wire converters, but not 8 wire. Both Linux and any microcontroller can use all 8 pins with a Linux interrupt. According to the TI spec sheet, some capacitors are also needed. A 20 pin through hole dip socket soldered in for the 75196 is preferred. >>>> >>>> I can send you a protostack board and 75196 chip in the mail and you hopefully might have much better ideas than me. The key for me is I want ALL 8 lines wired because Linux knows how to use them. >>>> >>>> Ryan Coleman wrote: >>>>> Home much soldering are you talking about? Are we looking at SMC or through-hole? >>>>> >>>>> I also suck at soldering but THC is a bit easier to work with than SMC for me because of a general lack of small-tool dexterity in my hands. >>>>> >>>>> — >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> As always, thanks for your feedback. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a nice breadboard, and some nice proto boards from "Protostack," and 3 Atmel STK500 development kits, and AVR Studio on 5 machines, and chips, and working software. I'm ready to have some soldering done. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would have replied to your kind response earlier. But about 8:30 AM I heard a clang outside and a little up the dirt road an old guy was climbing out of his truck in the ditch. He was very lucky he broke the sign post or he would have rolled it. He was in his 80s and it took two trips from the towing company in Hinckley to get him out. The towing company needed a bigger truck and a helper. It cost me $200 to get the old guy down the road without a heart attack, and he was wearing my brand new pair of dry wool socks leaving his wet socks on my wood stove. The old guy was great to meet. But I need civilization. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've tried FreeGeeks. Maybe some day I'll donate some nice stuff when I think they have people who know what it is. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Iznogoud wrote: >>>>>>> Let's make this topic useful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I knew how to change topics I really want to find somebody who knows >>>>>>>> how to solder simple microcontroller boards. Are there any prototyping >>>>>>>> shops left in the city?? I would love to do some business with some >>>>>>>> civilized humans. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You do not need a soldered board to prototype. Use a "bread board" and put >>>>>>> it together. Make it work first, then worry about soldering. That is how to >>>>>>> do it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, learning to solder --I am terrible at it-- is a great skill to have. >>>>>>> And having the right tools for doing it greatly accelerates quality and speed. >>>>>>> But right now you do not need this to prototype something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Fri Jan 31 09:19:15 2020 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 09:19:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. In-Reply-To: <3d7addbb-4e4d-6a74-b34c-e626aab866b9@pinenet.com> References: <818F2B95-BB70-4D03-8977-B46A3A5E6B19@cwis.biz> <0654bd18-520a-8581-361d-c1913d6fdf02@pinenet.com> <9A5FB0F9-C998-4479-8C87-891F7A5FD5B6@cwis.biz> <4cd9758e-7047-a039-1cf1-4af0b9864111@pinenet.com> <3d7addbb-4e4d-6a74-b34c-e626aab866b9@pinenet.com> Message-ID: And I was going to offer some assistance but needed other information. I asked a simple question and received no answer. I’m out. > On Jan 31, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > I don't know how to be more clear and simple. I asked if anybody knew of a friendly Twin Cities microcontroller prototyping shop to solder some parts. All that followed were diversions from this simple question. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iznogoud at nobelware.com Fri Jan 31 09:58:38 2020 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:58:38 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. In-Reply-To: References: <818F2B95-BB70-4D03-8977-B46A3A5E6B19@cwis.biz> <0654bd18-520a-8581-361d-c1913d6fdf02@pinenet.com> <9A5FB0F9-C998-4479-8C87-891F7A5FD5B6@cwis.biz> <4cd9758e-7047-a039-1cf1-4af0b9864111@pinenet.com> <3d7addbb-4e4d-6a74-b34c-e626aab866b9@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20200131155838.GA26729@nobelware.com> Let's not make a fuss of this, but I am with Ryan. The idea is that there may be better ways to do what you want, and that is why question were asked. I went back to the obvious and searched google: https://www.thomasnet.com/minnesota/soldering-services-76361203-1.html Perhaps you can find an individual to do it through a craigslist.org posting. Sounds like you have exhausted the info offered on this list, Rick. From eng at pinenet.com Fri Jan 31 23:55:14 2020 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 23:55:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Microcontroller board prototyping. In-Reply-To: <20200131155838.GA26729@nobelware.com> References: <818F2B95-BB70-4D03-8977-B46A3A5E6B19@cwis.biz> <0654bd18-520a-8581-361d-c1913d6fdf02@pinenet.com> <9A5FB0F9-C998-4479-8C87-891F7A5FD5B6@cwis.biz> <4cd9758e-7047-a039-1cf1-4af0b9864111@pinenet.com> <3d7addbb-4e4d-6a74-b34c-e626aab866b9@pinenet.com> <20200131155838.GA26729@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <6b7dd8c4-3b8e-4307-d8bc-7f4a34c816df@pinenet.com> I learned more about the new "Solder Pastes" today. DigiKey has a nice tutorial from "Locktite." And "Adafruit" has a little infosheet if you follow the DigiKey links. Maybe you should learn about it, too. Iznogoud wrote: > Let's not make a fuss of this, but I am with Ryan. The idea is that there may > be better ways to do what you want, and that is why question were asked. > > I went back to the obvious and searched google: > https://www.thomasnet.com/minnesota/soldering-services-76361203-1.html > > Perhaps you can find an individual to do it through a craigslist.org posting. > > Sounds like you have exhausted the info offered on this list, Rick. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >