From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 10:58:12 2019 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 10:58:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] BSD journey Message-ID: My wrestling matches with FreeBSD, TrueOS, GhostBSD and Trident continue. Things were going well with Trident until I tried to install their release from a couple weeks ago. My 'dd' command seemed to work, but after the install failed with something about zfs and MOS, I wondered if my usb stick might be the problem -- it's a little old. I didn't want to try it on another one though. If Trident doesn't work the first time it is kind of a pain to do much with when it is over 3gb. After that I tried hardenedBSD for the first time. I couldn't get that to work. Then I tried FreeBSD 12. Couldn't get that to work either. (I'm trying all this on a 4 year old Haswell machine.) Then I tried FreeBSD 11.2 and was able to install that. I was on plain FreeBSD a year or so ago and am having some of the same problems I had then. I've tried searching for some posts about that because I think I posted some package(s) that I had to install to get X running, but I haven't been able to find those posts. I've installed an xorg metaport package and also lumina desktop and xfce desktop. When I try to start either of those I get that it can't load module ast. (If I remember right Trident is based on FreeBSD 12 so I may need newer hardware to be able to keep using Trident or FreeBSD 12. This thought just occurs to me as I'm writing this so maybe this posting has already paid off.) I've also been learning tmux as an alternative to X. My complaint about that is the font is too big. I haven't figured out how to change it. When I run 'env' from within tmux, TERM is set to `screen`. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - Ben Shapiro interviews D-Day vets this week on his Sunday show -- https://duckduckgo.com/?q=d-day+vets+sunday+special&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=XX4RUsJoR4c https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 12:17:51 2019 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 12:17:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] BSD journey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I've also been learning tmux as an alternative to X. My complaint > about that is the font is too big. I haven't figured out how to change > it. When I run 'env' from within tmux, TERM is set to `screen`. Font is not the right word. I'm not sure what to use instead maybe text or characters. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iznogoud at nobelware.com Mon Jun 3 10:21:57 2019 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 15:21:57 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] BSD journey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20190603152157.GA26658@nobelware.com> Sounds like you need to join a BSD list. There are some BSD groups that have a very strong presence on the web. I think you will gain more from those than from this one, where you get either no responses are a non-response like mine. > > > I've also been learning tmux as an alternative to X. My complaint > > about that is the font is too big. I haven't figured out how to change > > it. When I run 'env' from within tmux, TERM is set to `screen`. > > Font is not the right word. I'm not sure what to use instead > maybe text or characters. I will be pedantic. It is not an "alternative to X', although I know what you mean. X is a lot more than terminals being displayed. tmux is a terminal multiplexer, which is short for "I have several shells open and send a depth-aware superposition of their contents to a single terminal across a serial-like line". From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Mon Jun 3 17:37:09 2019 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 17:37:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] BSD journey In-Reply-To: <20190603152157.GA26658@nobelware.com> References: <20190603152157.GA26658@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <39DCF693-E336-4487-AD12-F149579E328E@cwis.biz> But he won’t. Because that’s only been said to him many times in the past - that BSD is not Linux. And one of the more BSD knowledgable people on this list he attacked so often they don’t bother helping anymore. > On Jun 3, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Iznogoud wrote: > > Sounds like you need to join a BSD list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And one of the more BSD knowledgable people on this list he > attacked so often they don’t bother helping anymore. > > > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Iznogoud wrote: > > Sounds like you need to join a BSD list. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jglouisjr at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 08:17:31 2019 From: jglouisjr at gmail.com (James Louis) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:17:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] BSD journey In-Reply-To: References: <20190603152157.GA26658@nobelware.com> <39DCF693-E336-4487-AD12-F149579E328E@cwis.biz> Message-ID: Oh don't get him started again. Please! On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 7:52 AM Jeff Chapin wrote: > Honestly, at this point, I am just happy he stopped twisting everything > into a blatant add for his company/software/religion/political leanings. > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 5:37 PM Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> But he won’t. >> >> Because that’s only been said to him many times in the past - that BSD is >> not Linux. And one of the more BSD knowledgable people on this list he >> attacked so often they don’t bother helping anymore. >> >> >> >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Iznogoud wrote: >> >> Sounds like you need to join a BSD list. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -- > Jeff Chapin > President, CedarLug, retired > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > President, UNI Scuba Club > Senator, NISG, retired > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- *----------------------------------------* * Jim Louis \\\\||//// \ ~ ~ / | @ @ |* *--oOo---(_)---oOo--* “It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” ~ Thomas Jefferson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eng at pinenet.com Tue Jun 4 12:55:09 2019 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 12:55:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] BSD journey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a94f28b-05b4-1495-72d4-d0015567c03e@pinenet.com> I don't know anything about any BSD. But I installed tmux from the openSUSE repository and ran it on the KDE terminal emulator "konsole" and the fonts were the usual tiny "konsole" fonts. Konsole allows you to change the fonts from a menu bar, and also multiplex tabs and windows. But I like what little I read about "tmux" and "session management." Many years ago I was on the NCurses mailing list and remain proud that I informed Thomas Dickey, the maintainer of NCurse, xterm, etc., about the virtual terminal use of the VESA 2 framebuffer on SuSE Linux. All linux terminal programs were liberated from the EGA huge fonts. I played with some direct framebuffer graphics. Nothing I did was notable. But I suspect your screen does not use a framebuffer graphics mode. People tried SVGA lib, and sometimes (like me) burned out the CRT monitor. So if you're stuck on BSD, I agree you should ask some experts. If you want a working system, maybe openSUSE is worth a try. But I'm going to learn more about "tmux" regardless. The FreePascal "freevision" provides buttons and all. I'll see if a mouse works in "tmux." But I like the hard core advanced session management, if I don't get blown away by complexity. Brian Wood wrote: >> I've also been learning tmux as an alternative to X. My complaint >> about that is the font is too big. I haven't figured out how to change >> it. When I run 'env' from within tmux, TERM is set to `screen`. > > Font is not the right word. I'm not sure what to use instead > maybe text or characters. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From iznogoud at nobelware.com Tue Jun 4 13:53:58 2019 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 18:53:58 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] BSD journey In-Reply-To: <5a94f28b-05b4-1495-72d4-d0015567c03e@pinenet.com> References: <5a94f28b-05b4-1495-72d4-d0015567c03e@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20190604185358.GA30791@nobelware.com> I would not waste any time with the raw framebuffer and especially not svgalib. Circa 2002 I was playing with both, to learn, and I learned that I cam really close to killing the CRT monitor I was using. But importantly, I leanred that locking up the only display you have and having to externally login and reboot sucked the most... I use tmux wiht my colleagues to work (or mostly, look at) code when we are not in the same room. It works great. Worth learning. From eng at pinenet.com Thu Jun 6 05:37:40 2019 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 05:37:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] BSD journey In-Reply-To: <20190604185358.GA30791@nobelware.com> References: <5a94f28b-05b4-1495-72d4-d0015567c03e@pinenet.com> <20190604185358.GA30791@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <1e85994b-c1a8-0bea-2ec4-3a03b90983bc@pinenet.com> From scanning the man page, tmux certainly looks powerful for the young and intelligent. But I'm headed to the metals recycling facility this morning. A wise old man doesn't leave his wife with responsibilities for an auction to remember what a genius he once was. BTW, it sounds like the political hopefuls are bidding up "green energy" into the $trillions. And homeless are setting up tents on sidewalks. What a shame a whole generation never learned how to work. Iznogoud wrote: > I would not waste any time with the raw framebuffer and especially not svgalib. > Circa 2002 I was playing with both, to learn, and I learned that I cam really > close to killing the CRT monitor I was using. But importantly, I leanred that > locking up the only display you have and having to externally login and reboot > sucked the most... > > I use tmux wiht my colleagues to work (or mostly, look at) code when we are > not in the same room. It works great. Worth learning. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 11:48:32 2019 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 11:48:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] IPsec Message-ID: Shalom I've been trying to make some progress with IPsec. I tried previously a few years ago, but didn't get very far with it. Some of the books I've looked at are from a Cisco perspective. I'm not sure that's what I want. I want something that will help me use IPsec on FreeBSD and Linux. I've read about transport and tunnel modes. Is transport mode siimpler/easier to implement than tunnel mode? Ideally, I may want to use tunnel mode, but if transport mode is simpler, I'd rather start with that. Do you have any tips or sites for getting started with it? Thank you in advance. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - "Those who trust in their riches will fall, but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf." Proverbs 11:28 https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cdf123 at cdf123.net Tue Jun 11 13:26:11 2019 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:26:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] IPsec In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4db37ec2-be2a-6d58-5ac0-4c86d58b8c7b@cdf123.net> On 6/11/19 11:48 AM, Brian Wood wrote: > Shalom > > I've been trying to make some progress with IPsec. I tried > previously a few years ago, but didn't get very far with it. > Some of the books I've looked at are from a Cisco > perspective. I'm not sure that's what I want. I want > something that will help me use IPsec on FreeBSD and > Linux. I should be able to help. I've mostly used racoon/ipsec-tools myself, and those are ports from *bsd. > I've read about transport and tunnel modes. Is transport > mode siimpler/easier to implement than tunnel mode? No, they are different modes for different jobs, neither one is better or easier than the other. It's like comparing a knife with a fork, you could use only one or the other, but I would question why you would. > Ideally, I may want to use tunnel mode, but if transport > mode is simpler, I'd rather start with that. Think of transport mode as end-to-end, or point-to-point. You're creating an ipsec policy to encrypt/sign traffic from A to B. This is assuming A can already get to B. So it's basically a direct connection. For tunnel modes, you're creating a route for A to get to B. This doesn't require that A can already get to B, and usually assumes one or two other machines are going to be in the middle. Here's a simple tunnel example. Given you want A to talk to B, you would set up a ipsec tunnel on X to ipsec encrypt/sign packets and route them through to Y which would decrypt them and forward them on to B. In this case A and B have no idea that they are using ipsec. A -{raw packet}-> X -{ipsec}-> Y -{raw packet}-> B Where it gets confusing is A and X can be one machine, or two. And so can Y and B. Usually X and Y are gateway routers, and A/B are in private subnets behind them. > Do you have any tips or sites for getting started with it? > Thank you in advance. Can't help much here. Most sites I've used weren't helpful until after I had stumbled through everything and got a better understanding of how it all works. A lot of sites seem to provide a "HOWTO" approach that blends things together so it was harder to understand any individual piece. Best advice is to take it slow, focus on one technology first (ipsec-tools), then move on to more advanced stuff (racoon) once you understand it better and have a couple working examples. I would start with something that can run VirtualBox or Vmware, and spin up a couple of vms and try to get it working between them. I'm happy to help if you have any questions. > > > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises - "Those who trust in their riches will fall, > but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf." Proverbs 11:28 > https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 22:05:01 2019 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 22:05:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wireguard Message-ID: Shalom After spending a number of hours watching vimeos about IPsec, I came across Wireguard. From what I can tell, Wireguard is easier to use than IPsec. So the question I had earlier about books, advice and sites has shifted to Wireguard. Is anyone using Wireguard on FreeBSD or Linux? Thank you in advance. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - "Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death." Proverbs 11:4 https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Tue Jun 11 22:03:26 2019 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 22:03:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] IPsec In-Reply-To: <4db37ec2-be2a-6d58-5ac0-4c86d58b8c7b@cdf123.net> References: <4db37ec2-be2a-6d58-5ac0-4c86d58b8c7b@cdf123.net> Message-ID: <031DC2FD-3F50-4114-9FA1-6B363E592E6D@cwis.biz> I use Raccoon via pfSense. > On Jun 11, 2019, at 1:26 PM, Chris Frederick wrote: > > On 6/11/19 11:48 AM, Brian Wood wrote: >> Shalom >> I've been trying to make some progress with IPsec. I tried >> previously a few years ago, but didn't get very far with it. >> Some of the books I've looked at are from a Cisco >> perspective. I'm not sure that's what I want. I want >> something that will help me use IPsec on FreeBSD and >> Linux. > > I should be able to help. I've mostly used racoon/ipsec-tools myself, and those are ports from *bsd. > >> I've read about transport and tunnel modes. Is transport >> mode siimpler/easier to implement than tunnel mode? > > No, they are different modes for different jobs, neither one is better or easier than the other. It's like comparing a knife with a fork, you could use only one or the other, but I would question why you would. > >> Ideally, I may want to use tunnel mode, but if transport >> mode is simpler, I'd rather start with that. > > Think of transport mode as end-to-end, or point-to-point. You're creating an ipsec policy to encrypt/sign traffic from A to B. This is assuming A can already get to B. So it's basically a direct connection. > > For tunnel modes, you're creating a route for A to get to B. This doesn't require that A can already get to B, and usually assumes one or two other machines are going to be in the middle. Here's a simple tunnel example. Given you want A to talk to B, you would set up a ipsec tunnel on X to ipsec encrypt/sign packets and route them through to Y which would decrypt them and forward them on to B. In this case A and B have no idea that they are using ipsec. > > A -{raw packet}-> X -{ipsec}-> Y -{raw packet}-> B > > Where it gets confusing is A and X can be one machine, or two. And so can Y and B. Usually X and Y are gateway routers, and A/B are in private subnets behind them. > >> Do you have any tips or sites for getting started with it? >> Thank you in advance. > > Can't help much here. Most sites I've used weren't helpful until after I had stumbled through everything and got a better understanding of how it all works. A lot of sites seem to provide a "HOWTO" approach that blends things together so it was harder to understand any individual piece. Best advice is to take it slow, focus on one technology first (ipsec-tools), then move on to more advanced stuff (racoon) once you understand it better and have a couple working examples. I would start with something that can run VirtualBox or Vmware, and spin up a couple of vms and try to get it working between them. > > I'm happy to help if you have any questions. > >> Brian >> Ebenezer Enterprises - "Those who trust in their riches will fall, >> but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf." Proverbs 11:28 >> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Tue Jun 11 22:20:27 2019 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 22:20:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wireguard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: find a piece of old hardware that has some functionality to it. Install pfSense. Put another on the other end. Create an IPSec vpn. They’re really easy to do in that deployment. Keeps your BSD requirement alive. Also a reminder this isn’t a BSD group. > On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > > Shalom > > After spending a number of hours watching vimeos about > IPsec, I came across Wireguard. From what I can tell, > Wireguard is easier to use than IPsec. So the question > I had earlier about books, advice and sites has shifted to > Wireguard. Is anyone using Wireguard on FreeBSD or > Linux? Thank you in advance. > > > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises - "Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, > but righteousness delivers from death." Proverbs 11:4 > https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Wed Jun 12 17:45:44 2019 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:45:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wireguard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: TCLUG is Twin Cities Linux User Group. Not BSD User Group. Here’s a great list of BSD user groups: https://www.freebsd.org/usergroups.html Also: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources-mail.html I highly recommend FreeBSD-Questions. I was a member of that list for most of a decade until I stopped supporting BSD in my photographical businesses. https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions — Ryan > On Jun 12, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > > > find a piece of old hardware that has some functionality to it. > > Install pfSense. Put another on the other end. Create an > > IPSec vpn. They’re really easy to do in that deployment. > > Keeps your BSD requirement alive. > > Hi Ryan, > > Thanks for your reply. Your reply several weeks ago > about the trackpad being special hardware was helpful. > Now I use a usb mouse when running Trident. > > I don't understand your comment about keeping the bsd > requirement alive. There's a port of wireguard that runs > on FreeBSD. It runs in user space I think. It's probably > inefficient compared to the Linux implementation, but I > could still use it that way. > > > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again. > https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eng at pinenet.com Thu Jun 13 04:43:57 2019 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:43:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wireguard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e2be303-61f9-9868-3f1f-b0d975028a5a@pinenet.com> I hesitate to publicly agree, completely. Given that I'm probably as crazy as he is, my patience wears thin when I see him abuse a cherished group TCLUG. I would also suggest he go witness the birds sing, clean water, fresh air, and flowers bloom of a Minnesota summer. Maybe take a walk with a sweetheart. I got to get out at dawn in the damp cool to weld some rebar footing. Civilization is not an "entitlement." Gnu Linux is one of the great accomplishments of a collaborative civilization. Thanks to all. Ryan Coleman wrote: > TCLUG is Twin Cities Linux User Group. Not BSD User Group. > > Here’s a great list of BSD user > groups: https://www.freebsd.org/usergroups.html > Also: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources-mail.html > > I highly recommend FreeBSD-Questions. I was a member of that list for > most of a decade until I stopped supporting BSD in my photographical > businesses. > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > — > Ryan > > > >> On Jun 12, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Brian Wood > > wrote: >> >> > find a piece of old hardware that has some functionality to it. >> > Install pfSense. Put another on the other end. Create an >> > IPSec vpn. They’re really easy to do in that deployment. >> > Keeps your BSD requirement alive. >> >> Hi Ryan, >> >> Thanks for your reply. Your reply several weeks ago >> about the trackpad being special hardware was helpful. >> Now I use a usb mouse when running Trident. >> >> I don't understand your comment about keeping the bsd >> requirement alive. There's a port of wireguard that runs >> on FreeBSD. It runs in user space I think. It's probably >> inefficient compared to the Linux implementation, but I >> could still use it that way. >> >> >> Brian >> Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again. >> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From eng at pinenet.com Fri Jun 14 08:04:42 2019 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:04:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Environment and the Linux desktop. Message-ID: <3d500631-4971-e965-d884-0ac6987057b7@pinenet.com> May I suggest some interest in the XScreensaver unit called "Molecule." On my openSuse this has been a favorite for years. According to some documentation it reads PDB (protein data bank) files. There are other PDB viewers, also the IBM open data explorer. 40 years ago I would have gobbled this up, and I'm sure Iznogoud at the U of M encountered this molecular graphics stuff. 40 years ago I made a program to describe the "electro-optic coefficient" of some peptide structures. This is similar to liquid crystal display use today. But it has gone very much further, and it would take me another 40 years to learn it again. The modern Linux desktop PC is unbelievable to old scientists. Molecular carbon polymers are a big deal. The worst part is plastic is destroying the Pacific Ocean environment because nobody has a use for it. I suspect it is actually capping evaporation so California doesn't get more rain. But a big use for waste plastic might be in roofing for billions of people. By incorporating fiberglass (fiber optics) it is conceivable to suck the light off the roof and into a fiber cable, thus both free air conditioning and concentrated solar energy in a cable. What is great about these PDB viewers is they display the huge size and some electrical properties of biomolecules. The infrared, visible, UV, fluorescent, scattering optics of these molecules was a big science in my day before we could draw them. I'm sure somebody is connecting optics to structure. For many reasons, it seems crazy to expect billions of people to install tempered glass roofs covering complex rare earth semi-conductors in hope to get useful electricity. Innovative polymer chemistry, material science, and environmental solutions on a linux desktop would have been fun for me 40 years ago. From iznogoud at nobelware.com Sat Jun 15 15:12:54 2019 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 20:12:54 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Environment and the Linux desktop. In-Reply-To: <3d500631-4971-e965-d884-0ac6987057b7@pinenet.com> References: <3d500631-4971-e965-d884-0ac6987057b7@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20190615201254.GA27688@nobelware.com> xlock is way cool. My 'xlock' is aliased to 'xlock -mode blank' for personal reasons. But generally, screensavers other than "blank" are a giant waste of electricity. Darker themed desktops also help keep down the cost. (Monitor your UPS's power when the LCD screen is bright and you will be amazed.) I wish I could just hibernate my desktop at work, but I cannot. I only turn off the screen. This, because there is cost associated with putting everything back on what I was working on when I left. Good thing modern architectures automatically throttle load, as dow power supplies. "Science made that possible." From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sun Jun 16 10:31:50 2019 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 10:31:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Software issue or Kernel? Message-ID: I have a platform I’m working on, Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS, where I am trying to update files referenced through symlinks. The one program I am using (exiv2) requires that the metadata file be the same name as the file it’s being applied to with the exception of the extension. No problem. Except that to maintain the integrity of all my files and directories I have symlinks for everything in the directory structure. This works well for almost all needs except… > root at server:/# /usr/bin/exiv2 -i X /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG > /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG: Could not write metadata to file: /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG19518: Failed to rename file to /temp1/03942919-2C8E-F675-5BE8-7F82E060481E/CB2C28D6-5196-AB51-59C2-33F0ECD497D7: Invalid cross-device link (errno = 18) > Running the command in “debug” mode just adds one thing to give a hint... > root at server:/# /usr/bin/exiv2 -Q d -i X /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG > Info: Write strategy: Non-intrusive > /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG: Could not write metadata to file: /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG19522: Failed to rename file to /temp1/03942919-2C8E-F675-5BE8-7F82E060481E/CB2C28D6-5196-AB51-59C2-33F0ECD497D7: Invalid cross-device link (errno = 18) > root at d3photo_images:/# > So which is the culprit? The OS, I presume. And if that’s the case… what do I need to look for in the kernel to override the cross-device link? I’ll probably find it online before I get a response… although I might just go another route if it doesn’t have the same issue. — Ryan From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sun Jun 16 11:15:09 2019 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 11:15:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Software issue or Kernel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55981203-2469-4ED8-9C44-5FB5842B7EF8@cwis.biz> Software. I looked at code I wrote in 2015 and found a different switch on ‘exiv2’ which allows me to specify the IPTC/XMP source and that works. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > On Jun 16, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > I have a platform I’m working on, Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS, where I am trying to update files referenced through symlinks. > > The one program I am using (exiv2) requires that the metadata file be the same name as the file it’s being applied to with the exception of the extension. No problem. > Except that to maintain the integrity of all my files and directories I have symlinks for everything in the directory structure. This works well for almost all needs except… > >> root at server:/# /usr/bin/exiv2 -i X /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG >> /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG: Could not write metadata to file: /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG19518: Failed to rename file to /temp1/03942919-2C8E-F675-5BE8-7F82E060481E/CB2C28D6-5196-AB51-59C2-33F0ECD497D7: Invalid cross-device link (errno = 18) >> > > Running the command in “debug” mode just adds one thing to give a hint... > >> root at server:/# /usr/bin/exiv2 -Q d -i X /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG >> Info: Write strategy: Non-intrusive >> /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG: Could not write metadata to file: /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG19522: Failed to rename file to /temp1/03942919-2C8E-F675-5BE8-7F82E060481E/CB2C28D6-5196-AB51-59C2-33F0ECD497D7: Invalid cross-device link (errno = 18) >> root at d3photo_images:/# >> > > > So which is the culprit? The OS, I presume. And if that’s the case… what do I need to look for in the kernel to override the cross-device link? > > I’ll probably find it online before I get a response… although I might just go another route if it doesn’t have the same issue. > > — > Ryan > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sun Jun 16 12:10:04 2019 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 12:10:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [resolved but not really resolved] Re: Software issue or Kernel? In-Reply-To: <55981203-2469-4ED8-9C44-5FB5842B7EF8@cwis.biz> References: <55981203-2469-4ED8-9C44-5FB5842B7EF8@cwis.biz> Message-ID: <07178337-5785-4CA1-A9E3-7DF0C87F50DA@cwis.biz> (news flash: it doesn’t work). I had to direct the command at the source, which isn’t the end of the world but not ideal. — Ryan > On Jun 16, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > Software. > > I looked at code I wrote in 2015 and found a different switch on ‘exiv2’ which allows me to specify the IPTC/XMP source and that works. > > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > >> On Jun 16, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >> I have a platform I’m working on, Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS, where I am trying to update files referenced through symlinks. >> >> The one program I am using (exiv2) requires that the metadata file be the same name as the file it’s being applied to with the exception of the extension. No problem. >> Except that to maintain the integrity of all my files and directories I have symlinks for everything in the directory structure. This works well for almost all needs except… >> >>> root at server:/# /usr/bin/exiv2 -i X /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG >>> /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG: Could not write metadata to file: /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG19518: Failed to rename file to /temp1/03942919-2C8E-F675-5BE8-7F82E060481E/CB2C28D6-5196-AB51-59C2-33F0ECD497D7: Invalid cross-device link (errno = 18) >>> >> >> Running the command in “debug” mode just adds one thing to give a hint... >> >>> root at server:/# /usr/bin/exiv2 -Q d -i X /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG >>> Info: Write strategy: Non-intrusive >>> /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG: Could not write metadata to file: /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG19522: Failed to rename file to /temp1/03942919-2C8E-F675-5BE8-7F82E060481E/CB2C28D6-5196-AB51-59C2-33F0ECD497D7: Invalid cross-device link (errno = 18) >>> root at d3photo_images:/# >>> >> >> >> So which is the culprit? The OS, I presume. And if that’s the case… what do I need to look for in the kernel to override the cross-device link? >> >> I’ll probably find it online before I get a response… although I might just go another route if it doesn’t have the same issue. >> >> — >> Ryan >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Sun Jun 16 13:20:32 2019 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:20:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Environment and the Linux desktop. In-Reply-To: <20190615201254.GA27688@nobelware.com> References: <3d500631-4971-e965-d884-0ac6987057b7@pinenet.com> <20190615201254.GA27688@nobelware.com> Message-ID: I'm sure you are right. But I referenced a molecular drawing program to illustrate some big, complex molecules, even available as a linux screensaver. And I suggested how such molecular electro-optics could play a role in new roofing and energy needs. What scientists do now to create housing, food, energy, environment will be life and death to many. One would think everybody could agree science education is vital. But I realize lawyers can talk best of friends into a conflict. There might be one or two TCLUG members who consider innovative fiber glass roofing incorporating dye solar collection and light piping. I already have "solar biofuels" and "biochar" sold, I'm just suggesting where the solar might come from. Iznogoud wrote: > xlock is way cool. My 'xlock' is aliased to 'xlock -mode blank' for personal > reasons. But generally, screensavers other than "blank" are a giant waste of > electricity. Darker themed desktops also help keep down the cost. (Monitor your > UPS's power when the LCD screen is bright and you will be amazed.) > > I wish I could just hibernate my desktop at work, but I cannot. I only turn > off the screen. This, because there is cost associated with putting everything > back on what I was working on when I left. Good thing modern architectures > automatically throttle load, as dow power supplies. > > "Science made that possible." > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From eng at pinenet.com Sun Jun 16 19:59:44 2019 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 19:59:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Environment and the Linux desktop. In-Reply-To: References: <3d500631-4971-e965-d884-0ac6987057b7@pinenet.com> <20190615201254.GA27688@nobelware.com> Message-ID: Just trying to be a little more informative, here is the description of "Gromacs" from the openSuse YAST software installation Science:Chemistry RPM groups list; gromacs - Molecular Dynamics Package GROMACS is a versatile and extremely well optimized package to perform molecular dynamics computer simulations and subsequent trajectory analysis. It is developed for biomolecules like proteins, but the extremely high performance means it is used also in several other field like polymer chemistry and solid state physics. It's ready to install, and has been available on Suse for several years. So I'm not making this stuff up. We need some scientists around before the politicians demand we cut off our electricity and spend a $trillion on Chinese solar panels that don't work. Rick Engebretson wrote: > I'm sure you are right. But I referenced a molecular drawing program to > illustrate some big, complex molecules, even available as a linux > screensaver. And I suggested how such molecular electro-optics could > play a role in new roofing and energy needs. > > What scientists do now to create housing, food, energy, environment will > be life and death to many. One would think everybody could agree science > education is vital. But I realize lawyers can talk best of friends into > a conflict. > > There might be one or two TCLUG members who consider innovative fiber > glass roofing incorporating dye solar collection and light piping. I > already have "solar biofuels" and "biochar" sold, I'm just suggesting > where the solar might come from. > > Iznogoud wrote: >> xlock is way cool. My 'xlock' is aliased to 'xlock -mode blank' for >> personal >> reasons. But generally, screensavers other than "blank" are a giant >> waste of >> electricity. Darker themed desktops also help keep down the cost. >> (Monitor your >> UPS's power when the LCD screen is bright and you will be amazed.) >> >> I wish I could just hibernate my desktop at work, but I cannot. I only >> turn >> off the screen. This, because there is cost associated with putting >> everything >> back on what I was working on when I left. Good thing modern >> architectures >> automatically throttle load, as dow power supplies. >> >> "Science made that possible." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From iznogoud at nobelware.com Mon Jun 17 08:37:55 2019 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 13:37:55 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] [resolved but not really resolved] Re: Software issue or Kernel? In-Reply-To: <07178337-5785-4CA1-A9E3-7DF0C87F50DA@cwis.biz> References: <55981203-2469-4ED8-9C44-5FB5842B7EF8@cwis.biz> <07178337-5785-4CA1-A9E3-7DF0C87F50DA@cwis.biz> Message-ID: <20190617133755.GA8306@nobelware.com> The only thing I can think of is that this software is trying to make "hard links" instead of "symbolic links", which (obviously) cannot be done across physical devices. I could be wrong. From andrew at lunn.ch Mon Jun 17 08:56:12 2019 From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 15:56:12 +0200 Subject: [tclug-list] Software issue or Kernel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20190617135612.GB25211@lunn.ch> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:31:50AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I have a platform I’m working on, Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS, where I am trying to update files referenced through symlinks. > > The one program I am using (exiv2) requires that the metadata file be the same name as the file it’s being applied to with the exception of the extension. No problem. > Except that to maintain the integrity of all my files and directories I have symlinks for everything in the directory structure. This works well for almost all needs except… > > > root at server:/# /usr/bin/exiv2 -i X /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG > > /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG: Could not write metadata to file: /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG19518: Failed to rename file to /temp1/03942919-2C8E-F675-5BE8-7F82E060481E/CB2C28D6-5196-AB51-59C2-33F0ECD497D7: Invalid cross-device link (errno = 18) > > > > Running the command in “debug” mode just adds one thing to give a hint... > > > root at server:/# /usr/bin/exiv2 -Q d -i X /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG > > Info: Write strategy: Non-intrusive > > /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG: Could not write metadata to file: /storage/events-photos/outdoor/2019/folder1/folder2/filename-24996-ALA.JPG19522: Failed to rename file to /temp1/03942919-2C8E-F675-5BE8-7F82E060481E/CB2C28D6-5196-AB51-59C2-33F0ECD497D7: Invalid cross-device link (errno = 18) > > root at d3photo_images:/# Hi Ryan My guess is, the symlinks crosses filesystem boundaries. So the file is in one filesystem and the symlink is in another filesystem. The application is creating a new temporary file, next to the symlink. It puts the new contents into this temporary file. It then ask the kernel to rename the temporary file to the source jpg file. This is guaranteed to be an atomic operation. If bad things happen, you either get the old file, or the new file, but never no file, 1/2 a file, etc. But you can only do a rename when the files are on the same filesystem. The kernel however follows the symlink, sees the destination is on a different filesystem and says no, sorry, cannot do that atomically, and errors out. This is all well documented, expected behaviour. See man 2 rename Andrew From eng at pinenet.com Mon Jun 17 15:57:15 2019 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 15:57:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Software issue or Kernel? In-Reply-To: <20190617135612.GB25211@lunn.ch> References: <20190617135612.GB25211@lunn.ch> Message-ID: <022d922d-5ef0-dd7d-6efa-c528cd04c73d@pinenet.com> I'm not sure if the man page reader "tkman" is easily available on many other distros. But I find it invaluable. Andrew Lunn wrote: > See > > man 2 rename > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Mon Jun 17 20:17:03 2019 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:17:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] completion-ignore-case for the command? Message-ID: completion-ignore-case doesn't affect completion of the commandname. is there something that does? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 20:54:11 2019 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 20:54:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu 19.04 upgrade issues Message-ID: I just upgraded two of my machines from 18.04 LTS to 19.04. The intermediary upgrade to 18.10 went fine, but the upgrade from 18.10 to 19.04 had some issues. It seems like a lot of people are having the same problems -- warnings of errors, that the system may have been made nonfunctional, something about install-info, ... Then I rebooted, and it was working, but how would I know what might be wrong under the hood? A google search took me here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1825425 This guy claims to have a fix... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1825425/comments/11 ...so I ran his recommended code, starting with this test: sudo grep -E "WARNING.*pixbuf" /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt-term.log That did return output, so I ran the rest of it: sudo apt install libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/install-info.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/install-info.postinst.bad sudo apt-get install --reinstall install-info for X in $(sudo less /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt-term.log | egrep "Setting up|WARNING.*pixbuf" | grep -B1 pixbuf | grep Setting | awk '{print $3}'); do echo REINSTALLING: $X; sudo sudo apt-get --reinstall install $X; done That seemed to be doing a lot. I hope I needed it! So then I rebooted and it's still working. I get some "System program problem detected" popups, so I tried this to fix it by doing this: sudo rm /var/crash/*.crash Good idea? I don't know! The upgrade also changed Alt+Tab functionality to Super+Tab, which seemed odd because I'd been using Alt+Tab forever. So I went to Settings > Devices > Keyboard Navigation section Switch applications ...and changed it to Alt+Tab Anyway, it is strange, I think, that Ubuntu threw so many errors. I'm not sure how badly that upgrade went, and I don't know if the "fixes" fixed it. I do know that it seems to be working fine right now. Any ideas or suggestions appreciated! Thanks. Best, Mike From don.c.simmons at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 23:42:30 2019 From: don.c.simmons at gmail.com (Don Simmons) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 23:42:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu 19.04 upgrade issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7993350B-2B23-490A-A543-9B2CDCDC0202@gmail.com> I can’t think of much you could do beyond watching for strange behavior, checking logs regularly, and keeping abreast of news related to this issue. As a general rule I’m an advocate of fresh installs if you aren’t on a rolling release for this very reason. > On Jun 22, 2019, at 8:54 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > > I just upgraded two of my machines from 18.04 LTS to 19.04. The intermediary upgrade to 18.10 went fine, but the upgrade from 18.10 to 19.04 had some issues. It seems like a lot of people are having the same problems -- warnings of errors, that the system may have been made nonfunctional, something about install-info, ... > > Then I rebooted, and it was working, but how would I know what might be wrong under the hood? A google search took me here: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1825425 > > This guy claims to have a fix... > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1825425/comments/11 > > ...so I ran his recommended code, starting with this test: > > sudo grep -E "WARNING.*pixbuf" /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt-term.log > > That did return output, so I ran the rest of it: > > sudo apt install libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev > sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/install-info.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/install-info.postinst.bad > sudo apt-get install --reinstall install-info > for X in $(sudo less /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt-term.log | egrep "Setting up|WARNING.*pixbuf" | grep -B1 pixbuf | grep Setting | awk '{print $3}'); do echo REINSTALLING: $X; sudo sudo apt-get --reinstall install $X; done > > That seemed to be doing a lot. I hope I needed it! So then I rebooted and it's still working. I get some "System program problem detected" popups, so I tried this to fix it by doing this: > > sudo rm /var/crash/*.crash > > Good idea? I don't know! > > The upgrade also changed Alt+Tab functionality to Super+Tab, which seemed odd because I'd been using Alt+Tab forever. So I went to > > Settings > Devices > Keyboard > Navigation section > Switch applications > > ...and changed it to Alt+Tab > > > Anyway, it is strange, I think, that Ubuntu threw so many errors. I'm not sure how badly that upgrade went, and I don't know if the "fixes" fixed it. I do know that it seems to be working fine right now. > > Any ideas or suggestions appreciated! Thanks. > > Best, > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jun 24 00:00:36 2019 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 00:00:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu 19.04 upgrade issues In-Reply-To: <7993350B-2B23-490A-A543-9B2CDCDC0202@gmail.com> References: <7993350B-2B23-490A-A543-9B2CDCDC0202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87pnn31ssr.fsf@wookimus.net> You did about as well as can be expected, Mike. Some times, given the sheer number of packages maintained in the distribution, that some logic error or corner case rears its ugly head and bites you. Primarily, rely upon your log files ank know that you can always edit the post/pre-install scripts to bypass tests or checks, etc. Chad From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Thu Jun 27 12:43:39 2019 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 12:43:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Using ngrok Message-ID: Shalom Is anyone using ngrok.com to help them host a service? I started using it recently in order to have a static ip for my boutique code generation service. And more recently I asked them this: I was wondering if I host my service on a machine that doesn't have IPv6 support and is IPv4 only, do you know if someone who is running an IPv6 only machine would be able to use my server? So somehow you would bridge IPv6 and IPv4. Ngrok replied that if you use the default region of ngrok they bridge IPv6. So ngrok helps small shops with limited resources to keep things simple in terms of system administration, and reach out to people who are on IPv6 only machines. I'm not associated with ngrok other than being a user, but I give them two thumbs up. So far their service has been easy to use. I'm particularly interested in those that are, like me, using ngrok with tcp (rather than http) services. Tia Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again. https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: