we wish.  but in the real world we need to deal with and interface with
poor protocols and sorry software.  almost nobody specifies strict spf
compliance.  this is probably why.  so i guess i also will back off to
advisory only.  yes it is my problem when folks dont receive my emails.


On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 9:29 AM Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

> Correct. Their problem, not yours. :) Just annoying.
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2019, at 2:44 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
> it's not mine.  note the similarity with the node that issued the notice.
> i see now, it's the spf forwarding trap.  by specifying strict spf
> compliance, i break their forwarding of my messages.  hmm.
> >$  host 192.185.48.84
> >84.48.185.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer
> gateway23.websitewelcome.com.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:28 PM Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at notcwis.biz>
> wrote:
>
>> Looks to me like your external IP (192.185.48.84) is not on the SPF1
>> list…
>>
>> Here’s mine for d3photography:
>>
>> v=spf1 a mx include:zoho.com include:spf.smtp2go.com ~all
>>
>> You’re definitely lacking you’re 192.185 IP in that include list.
>>
>> https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/192.185.48.84
>> Hostname: gateway23.websitewelcome.com
>>
>>>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 10:58 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
>> i received the two delivery failure notices copied below (portions
>> suppressed with ...).  it's clear heidi's address in my messages must have
>> forwarded to her address at landvantage.com, and i expect the problem is
>> in the mail handler there.  but i dont want to overlook the possibility the
>> error might be mine.  the zone definition for whitleymott.net is also
>> copied below.  if anyone can see what's amis please advise.  i'vs also
>> written to postmaster at gateway33.websitewelcome.com.  i also welcome your
>> suggestions on where better to post this question.
>>
>>
>> >$TTL  4h ;ttl for all RRs lacking an explicit ttl
>> >@ SOA @ hostmaster.scalliondata.com. (
>> >     696 ;serial
>> >      4h ;secondary server refresh
>> >      1h ;secondary server refresh retry
>> >      4d ;expire unrefreshed secondary server
>> >      4h ;ttl for no-such-domain (NXDOMAIN) responses from us
>> >)
>> >@ NS ns
>> >googleffffffffed11605c CNAME                  google.com.
>> >mail                   CNAME              ghs.google.com.
>> >webmail                CNAME              ghs.google.com.
>> >mx                     CNAME          ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM
>> <http://aspmx.l.google.com/>.
>> >smtp                   CNAME          ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM
>> <http://aspmx.l.google.com/>.
>> >@ MX 10                               ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM
>> <http://aspmx.l.google.com/>.
>> >@ MX 20                          ALT1.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM
>> <http://alt1.aspmx.l.google.com/>.
>> >@ MX 20                          ALT2.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM
>> <http://alt2.aspmx.l.google.com/>.
>> >@ MX 30                               ASPMX2.GOOGLEMAIL.COM
>> <http://aspmx2.googlemail.com/>.
>> >@ MX 30                               ASPMX3.GOOGLEMAIL.COM
>> <http://aspmx3.googlemail.com/>.
>> >@ MX 30                               ASPMX4.GOOGLEMAIL.COM
>> <http://aspmx4.googlemail.com/>.
>> >@ MX 30                               ASPMX5.GOOGLEMAIL.COM
>> <http://aspmx5.googlemail.com/>.
>> >@ TXT "v=spf1 a a:rose.fo4.net a:okra.fo4.net include:
>> aspmx.googlemail.com -all"
>> >@   A 206.123.88.191
>> >www A 206.123.88.191
>> >ns0 A 206.123.88.191
>> >ns  A 209.240.82.11
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:39 PM Mail Delivery System <
>> MAILER-DAEMON at gateway23.websitewelcome.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is the mail system at host gateway23.websitewelcome.com.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
>>> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>>>
>>> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
>>>
>>> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
>>> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>>>
>>>                    The mail system
>>>
>>> <... at landvantage.com>: host mx10.mailspamprotection.com[184.154.208.34]
>>> said:
>>>     550 192.185.48.84 is not allowed to send mail from whitleymott.net.
>>> Please
>>>     see the SPF record, with scope mfrom, identity greg at whitleymott.net,
>>> and ip
>>>     192.185.48.84 (in reply to end of DATA command)
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: gregory mott <greg at whitleymott.net>
>>> To:
>>> Cc: David ... <...>, heidi... at ...com
>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 12:38:35 -0500
>>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:05 AM Mail Delivery System <
>> MAILER-DAEMON at gateway33.websitewelcome.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is the mail system at host gateway33.websitewelcome.com.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
>>> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>>>
>>> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
>>>
>>> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
>>> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>>>
>>>                    The mail system
>>>
>>> <... at landvantage.com>: host mx10.mailspamprotection.com[108.163.228.170]
>>>     said: 550 192.185.146.78 is not allowed to send mail from
>>> whitleymott.net.
>>>     Please see the SPF record, with scope mfrom, identity
>>> greg at whitleymott.net,
>>>     and ip 192.185.146.78 (in reply to end of DATA command)
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: gregory mott <greg at whitleymott.net>
>>> To: Sarah ... <... at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Laurel ...<... at gmail.com>, Kurt ... <... at gmail.com>, David ...
>>> <...>, heidi... at ...com
>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:05:17 -0500
>>
>> ...
>>>
>>
> --
> this concludes test 42 of big bang inflation dynamics.  in the advent of
> an actual universe, further instructions will be provided.
> 000000000000000000000042
>
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