From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sun Apr 2 17:44:29 2017 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 17:44:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures Message-ID: I?m wanting to pull the drives out of my old Mac Pro and put them into a single JBOD enclosure, preferably one that I might be able to do RAID with later. What does everyone have experience with? I?d like to avoid a NAS device if at all possible so no DROBO or FreeNAS recommendations please. USB3, Firewire 800, eSATA? I?m open to interface types, though. Thanks! From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 2 18:22:10 2017 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 18:22:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a few SANS Digital enclosures. Just stick a bunch of drives in 'em and let the OS (or BIOS) do whatever you want with them. I have some ZFS filesystems going. On Sun, 2 Apr 2017, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I?m wanting to pull the drives out of my old Mac Pro and put them into a single JBOD enclosure, preferably one that I might be able to do RAID with later. > > What does everyone have experience with? I?d like to avoid a NAS device if at all possible so no DROBO or FreeNAS recommendations please. > > USB3, Firewire 800, eSATA? I?m open to interface types, though. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Sun Apr 2 19:53:16 2017 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 19:53:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As Clug suggested, +1 for SANS Digital, it worked well for me at a previous gig. Currently I use an Addonics device now (USB3 or SATA III, 5 disk tower w/ JBOD, RAID0,1,5,6,10 options) and am happy with this also. Totally up to you, you can have the device manage the JBOD or RAID, or let the OS do it (this may require USB or SATA port multiplier though). Depending on what you're expecting, my experience has been better sustained transfer rates over SATA bridge; USB3 is fast, but transfer rate seems to ebb and flow a little. Good luck, -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > I?m wanting to pull the drives out of my old Mac Pro and put them into a single JBOD enclosure, preferably one that I might be able to do RAID with later. > > What does everyone have experience with? I?d like to avoid a NAS device if at all possible so no DROBO or FreeNAS recommendations please. > > USB3, Firewire 800, eSATA? I?m open to interface types, though. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From iznogoud at nobelware.com Mon Apr 3 12:01:48 2017 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 17:01:48 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> There was one user here who had extensive experience with NASes and ZFS. She should be able to advise. Linda, I think? I say, if you can deal with ZFS and compile it and use it, you want that. It is worth the trouble. From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Mon Apr 3 13:13:33 2017 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 13:13:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> References: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> Message-ID: I want nothing to do with ZFS and FreeNAS. But thanks for reading what I wrote. > On Apr 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Iznogoud wrote: > > There was one user here who had extensive experience with NASes and ZFS. She > should be able to advise. Linda, I think? > > I say, if you can deal with ZFS and compile it and use it, you want that. It > is worth the trouble. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From marc at e-skinner.net Mon Apr 3 16:58:13 2017 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 16:58:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: References: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> Message-ID: I have 3 Sans Digital Raid-5 mini-towers. Connected with eSATA. 5 years or so. One had the power supply die, which I was able to replace for about $40. They have "on-board" raid or you can use them in JBOD mode. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816111166 On 04/03/2017 01:13 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I want nothing to do with ZFS and FreeNAS. > > But thanks for reading what I wrote. > > > >> On Apr 3, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Iznogoud wrote: >> >> There was one user here who had extensive experience with NASes and ZFS. She >> should be able to advise. Linda, I think? >> >> I say, if you can deal with ZFS and compile it and use it, you want that. It >> is worth the trouble. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 13:11:35 2017 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 13:11:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Two laptops for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > Vizio CT14 > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vizio-Thin-Light-CT14-14-128GB- > Intel-Core-4GB-/112280239852?hash=item1a246c7eec:g:z0oAAOSwnHZYh6yz > > I bought this used in 2013 and didn't like the keyboard. On the plus > side, it hasn't been used much due to that. Has Linux on it. > > $80 obo > Now $60 obo. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------- > > Acer Travelmate P645 M 3862 > > https://www.amazon.com/Acer-TravelMate-NX-V8RAA-012-14- > Inch-Laptop/dp/B00UL435AM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485656711& > sr=8-1&keywords > =Acer+Travelmate+P645 > > I bought this new in Sept. of 2015. Has TrueOS/FreeBSD on it. Comes with > the original box and manuals. > > $410 obo > > Now $310 obo. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iznogoud at nobelware.com Mon Apr 17 20:18:51 2017 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 01:18:51 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-related position at CRAY Message-ID: <20170418011851.GB19418@nobelware.com> I ran across this and thought I'd share: https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/316146419/ It is exclusively Linux, so this is the list for posting it. From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 17 20:21:41 2017 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 20:21:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-related position at CRAY In-Reply-To: <20170418011851.GB19418@nobelware.com> References: <20170418011851.GB19418@nobelware.com> Message-ID: Holy hell, Cray are still around??? On Tue, 18 Apr 2017, Iznogoud wrote: > I ran across this and thought I'd share: > > https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/316146419/ > > It is exclusively Linux, so this is the list for posting it. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From iznogoud at nobelware.com Mon Apr 17 21:02:09 2017 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 02:02:09 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-related position at CRAY In-Reply-To: References: <20170418011851.GB19418@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <20170418020209.GA21160@nobelware.com> > > Holy hell, Cray are still around??? > I was equally surprised some years ago. Apparently it is still relevant. From escargo at skypoint.com Mon Apr 17 22:48:14 2017 From: escargo at skypoint.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 22:48:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-related position at CRAY In-Reply-To: References: <20170418011851.GB19418@nobelware.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 20:21:41 -0500 (CDT), Clug wrote: >Holy hell, Cray are still around??? I was surprised to see their name in lights on a building just north of Mall of America. Apparently there are still around in some form big enough to brag about. From http://www.cray.com/company-information "We are a worldwide company with more than 1,000 people located worldwide. Our headquarters are in Seattle, Washington, and we have additional engineering and manufacturing facilities in California, Minnesota, Texas and Wisconsin. Like our customers, our sales and service offices span the globe." From rsffitzgerald at gmail.com Tue Apr 18 11:08:07 2017 From: rsffitzgerald at gmail.com (Richard Fitzgerald) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:08:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-related position at CRAY In-Reply-To: References: <20170418011851.GB19418@nobelware.com> Message-ID: They occupied 4 of the top 10 positions in the most recent top500 listing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500#Top_10_ranking I think it's safe to assume they're doing okay. ;) On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:48 PM, David S. Cargo wrote: > On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 20:21:41 -0500 (CDT), Clug > wrote: > > >Holy hell, Cray are still around??? > > I was surprised to see their name in lights on a building just north > of Mall of America. > > Apparently there are still around in some form big enough to brag > about. > > From http://www.cray.com/company-information > > "We are a worldwide company with more than 1,000 people located > worldwide. Our headquarters are in Seattle, Washington, and we have > additional engineering and manufacturing facilities in California, > Minnesota, Texas and Wisconsin. Like our customers, our sales and > service offices span the globe." > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Tue Apr 18 11:19:07 2017 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:19:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-related position at CRAY In-Reply-To: References: <20170418011851.GB19418@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <8b51a8d8-a4b9-9692-d149-26f204aaeba0@kateley.com> The thing cray has always been able to do better than anyone is scale. lk On 4/17/17 8:21 PM, Clug wrote: > Holy hell, Cray are still around??? > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2017, Iznogoud wrote: > >> I ran across this and thought I'd share: >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/316146419/ >> >> It is exclusively Linux, so this is the list for posting it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From iznogoud at nobelware.com Tue Apr 18 11:34:04 2017 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:34:04 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-related position at CRAY In-Reply-To: <8b51a8d8-a4b9-9692-d149-26f204aaeba0@kateley.com> References: <20170418011851.GB19418@nobelware.com> <8b51a8d8-a4b9-9692-d149-26f204aaeba0@kateley.com> Message-ID: <20170418163404.GA19856@nobelware.com> > > The thing cray has always been able to do better than anyone is scale. > I'd love to know more Linda. I am all about "scale" in supercomputing. Can you elaborate? (I am more interested in scaling as in "strong" and "weak" scaling rather than I/O, or multi-agent servicing, for example. "Scale" means different things to different people.) From lkateley at kateley.com Tue Apr 18 12:08:56 2017 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 12:08:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-related position at CRAY In-Reply-To: <20170418163404.GA19856@nobelware.com> References: <20170418011851.GB19418@nobelware.com> <8b51a8d8-a4b9-9692-d149-26f204aaeba0@kateley.com> <20170418163404.GA19856@nobelware.com> Message-ID: I guess it is more about being part of the corporate culture. Always solving the big problems. You look at their website and they aren't solving little problems. They are doing big lustre clusters.. They are good at all things scale.. more CPU to solve problems, more io, more network, more disk, more memory.. Scale though meaning through hardware and software architectures. I have met 100's of cray people over the years, they never answer a question.. the answer is always maybe.. lk On 4/18/17 11:34 AM, Iznogoud wrote: >> The thing cray has always been able to do better than anyone is scale. >> > I'd love to know more Linda. I am all about "scale" in supercomputing. Can > you elaborate? > > (I am more interested in scaling as in "strong" and "weak" scaling rather > than I/O, or multi-agent servicing, for example. "Scale" means different things > to different people.) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From iznogoud at nobelware.com Tue Apr 18 12:33:54 2017 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:33:54 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-related position at CRAY In-Reply-To: References: <20170418011851.GB19418@nobelware.com> <8b51a8d8-a4b9-9692-d149-26f204aaeba0@kateley.com> <20170418163404.GA19856@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <20170418173354.GA21699@nobelware.com> > > I guess it is more about being part of the corporate culture. Always > solving the big problems. > > You look at their website and they aren't solving little problems. They > are doing big lustre clusters.. > > They are good at all things scale.. more CPU to solve problems, more io, > more network, more disk, more memory.. > > Scale though meaning through hardware and software architectures. > Yes, this makes sense. You will hear in the industry that there are very good benchmarks, etc. _Everybody_ I talk to say that they can do "this" and "that" and scale very well, etc. I found a post by [company] on LinkedIn where they showed computational results scaling very well to over 20,000 cores. They were bragging that their method was scaling well while taking about 4 minutes per timestep to advance the oslution. It was almost a joke to read... Knowing what was expected of the method in terms of computational demands, their calculation was not achieving any real scale in my book. (End rant.) > I have met 100's of cray people over the years, they never answer a > question.. the answer is always maybe.. > Ha! I can relate to that. The answer is a combination of "maybe" and "it depends." And I value much more the opinions of those people to people with arbitrary claims. If CRAY's attitude is this, it is no surprise they are in business today. We went through a "cottage industry" stage in supercomputing, where even Apple had come to me with a RISC box and asked me to run benchmarks with my solvers to see if we would be benefiting from buying hardware (a cluster) from them. They were using compilers that had come form IBM, and I think they were trying to compete with entities like DELL, who tried to enter the supercomputer market as a vendor with dirt-cheap hardware. That was a pain in the neck to CRAY, I am sure, and likely contributed to their near disappearence. But look who does supercomputing better now... Mellanox did it right by hammering on the interconnect side with Infiniband. That is the part of the cottage industry that actually gave back value. Thanks for your thoughts. If you have more specific examples of CRAY's work based on your interactions, I'd love to hear about. (Send links) From rhayman at pureice.com Tue Apr 18 15:53:24 2017 From: rhayman at pureice.com (r hayman) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 15:53:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux-related position at CRAY In-Reply-To: References: <20170418011851.GB19418@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <1492548804.9451.9.camel@pureice.com> Impressive scaling stats from the Nov 2016 top500 highlights (down 13 systems on the list but increased performance share): (Vendor Trends): "Cray now has 56 systems, down from 69 systems six month ago ." and (Performance Trends) "Cray continues to be the clear leader in the TOP500 list in performance and has a considerable lead with a 21.3 percent share of installed total performance (up from 19.9 percent)." and (Green500): "#2 is the Piz Daint system at the Swiss National Supercomputing Centre (CSCS), a ?Cray XC50 with NVIDIA Tesla P100 with 7.45 GFlops/Watt." On Tue, 2017-04-18 at 11:08 -0500, Richard Fitzgerald wrote: > They occupied 4 of the top 10 positions in the most recent top500 > listing:? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500#Top_10_ranking > > I think it's safe to assume they're doing okay. ;)? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iznogoud at nobelware.com Wed Apr 26 09:54:57 2017 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 14:54:57 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: References: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <20170426145456.GA17735@nobelware.com> > > I want nothing to do with ZFS and FreeNAS. > > But thanks for reading what I wrote. > Have you found anything that worked for you? (And was it better than FreeNAS and anything ZFS that you initially wanted to avoid?) I am going to need to do better than I am doing right now with storage if a project materializes. I figured I'd revive this thread. From jjensen at apache.org Wed Apr 26 10:03:30 2017 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 10:03:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: <20170426145456.GA17735@nobelware.com> References: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> <20170426145456.GA17735@nobelware.com> Message-ID: I have this simple enclosure for home server use, in case it solves what you are looking for: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132037&cm_re=rosewill_hot_swap_cage-_-16-132-037-_-Product On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Iznogoud wrote: > > > > I want nothing to do with ZFS and FreeNAS. > > > > But thanks for reading what I wrote. > > > > Have you found anything that worked for you? > > (And was it better than FreeNAS and anything ZFS that you initially wanted > to avoid?) > > I am going to need to do better than I am doing right now with storage if a > project materializes. I figured I'd revive this thread. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjensen at apache.org Wed Apr 26 10:49:56 2017 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 10:49:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: <20170426152551.GB18834@nobelware.com> References: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> <20170426145456.GA17735@nobelware.com> <20170426152551.GB18834@nobelware.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Iznogoud wrote: > > > > I have this simple enclosure for home server use, in case it solves what > > you are looking for: > > https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681613 > 2037&cm_re=rosewill_hot_swap_cage-_-16-132-037-_-Product > > > > Thanks for pointing this out. I will seriously consider something like > this, > but it will most likely have to be a dedicated system with many more > drives. > I find it's a nice cage for in or out of case use. I have 4 drives for RAID, so good match. I am also interested to hear what people do on the software side, which I > think > is more important. I am a huge supported of software RAID and ZFS. I've been running Linux software RAID for many years and it's treated me very well for my primary home server. > And all of > this is great, but hardware will fail, and for that you need some kind of > backup (to tape, which is the best way we have found). > > It gets expensive very quickly. > For backups, also for many years I ran BackupPC based on Greg (on this list's) suggestion; nice product, worked well. I've reduced home servers and a few years ago I switched all home backup to cloud (CrashPlan). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iznogoud at nobelware.com Wed Apr 26 13:52:13 2017 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:52:13 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: References: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> <20170426145456.GA17735@nobelware.com> <20170426152551.GB18834@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <20170426185213.GA25687@nobelware.com> > > I find it's a nice cage for in or out of case use. I have 4 drives for > RAID, so good match. > Nailed it. I am looking to do some outside use, and let the power supplies and SATA-card cables hang from the box stacked under a table in the attic (nobody will bother them). Super inexpensive setup. (We used to run open boxes like those in the 90s with SCSI chains.) > > I've been running Linux software RAID for many years and it's treated me > very well for my primary home server. > Ditto. But there can be many benefits from a ZFS setup given that eventually one does not have to manage individual md devices or components. The experience comes form my workplace. > > For backups, also for many years I ran BackupPC based on Greg (on this > list's) suggestion; nice product, worked well. I've reduced home servers > and a few years ago I switched all home backup to cloud (CrashPlan). Our admin uses this. He swears by the $70 he spends, especially given he has to manage some Windows machines at home. I am of the paranoid type, and work on consulting gigs that have strong restrictions; data needs to stay in my space. The magic word around is "tape." The admins here say it is still the most reliable way to store data long term. The newest tape backups we have at work cost a lot, but do immediate checking of the data the lift to store on the fly. "Expensive" is really the word. Thanks for the good chat and for the pointers! From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Apr 26 21:11:12 2017 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:11:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: <20170426145456.GA17735@nobelware.com> References: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> <20170426145456.GA17735@nobelware.com> Message-ID: On 4/26/2017 9:54 AM, Iznogoud wrote: >> >> I want nothing to do with ZFS and FreeNAS. >> >> But thanks for reading what I wrote. >> > > Have you found anything that worked for you? > > (And was it better than FreeNAS and anything ZFS that you initially wanted > to avoid?) > > I am going to need to do better than I am doing right now with storage if a > project materializes. I figured I'd revive this thread. Why not just buy a Qnap NAS & buy some disks & be done with it. From rhayman at pureice.com Wed Apr 26 21:39:48 2017 From: rhayman at pureice.com (r hayman) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:39:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: References: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> <20170426145456.GA17735@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <1493260788.3640.45.camel@pureice.com> On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 21:11 -0500, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > On 4/26/2017 9:54 AM, Iznogoud wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I want nothing to do with ZFS and FreeNAS. > > > > > > But thanks for reading what I wrote. > > > > > Have you found anything that worked for you? > > > > (And was it better than FreeNAS and anything ZFS that you initially > > wanted > > to avoid?) > > > > I am going to need to do better than I am doing right now with > > storage if a > > project materializes. I figured I'd revive this thread. > Why not just buy a Qnap NAS & buy some disks & be done with it. > Many models of NAS devices have disk compatibility issues that basic enclosures and software RAID do not. I haven't done an exhaustive search but try finding an off-the-shelf 4 disk NAS that supports 4 10TB HDDs.? Cost is another factor, a basic enclosure attached to your own software RAID hardware is more likely to be upgradable to new disk densities whereas NAS enclosures can only upgrade so far before they need to be replaced. I've built and ran servers using hardware RAID and software RAID. Used to be that hardware RAID was superior in terms of performance but that gap has narrowed tremendously. (anybody want to buy a couple of rack mountable 4U SuperMicro mother board servers with 3Ware RAID cards and 8 HDD slots, Xeon CPUs and 16-32GB RAM? Doesn't everybody have at least one 42U rack in their home? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iznogoud at nobelware.com Thu Apr 27 08:22:19 2017 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:22:19 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: <1493260788.3640.45.camel@pureice.com> References: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> <20170426145456.GA17735@nobelware.com> <1493260788.3640.45.camel@pureice.com> Message-ID: <20170427132219.GA32669@nobelware.com> > > Doesn't everybody have at least one 42U rack in their home? > Admit it Randy, you have more than one in the basement. You are also my go-to spare-parts supplier, and for that I am very thankful! From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sun Apr 30 22:30:20 2017 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:30:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] General Inquiry/Recommendation for Enclosures In-Reply-To: <20170426145456.GA17735@nobelware.com> References: <20170403170148.GA5162@nobelware.com> <20170426145456.GA17735@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <95EB4E91-9F92-49C0-9ED7-D531D65DBF28@cwis.biz> Well, first off I needed something that I could load a bunch of drives in and simply manage them. RAID was a bonus. The first purchase was stolen from my apartment building in Rochester. The second purchase arrived and is USB3 and runs 8 drives independently which is perfect for now. I have old towers that could be used to do RAID needs but I have no RAIDs to recover. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005GYDMYG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ? Ryan > On Apr 26, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Iznogoud wrote: > >> >> I want nothing to do with ZFS and FreeNAS. >> >> But thanks for reading what I wrote. >> > > Have you found anything that worked for you? > > (And was it better than FreeNAS and anything ZFS that you initially wanted > to avoid?) > > I am going to need to do better than I am doing right now with storage if a > project materializes. I figured I'd revive this thread. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: