From hauke.laging at linux-presentation-day.org Tue Dec 6 10:51:31 2016 From: hauke.laging at linux-presentation-day.org (Hauke Laging) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 17:51:31 +0100 Subject: [tclug-list] expanding Europe's Linux Presentation Day to the US Message-ID: <2892325.TJJQUN4MAU@inno> Hello, in May 2015 Berlin's Linux user group (BeLUG) has started a new type of event which has spread quickly all over Europe: the Linux Presentation Day (LPD) 2015.1: Berlin only 2016.1 & 2016.2: 120+ cities in 15 countries 2017.1: first locations outside Europe (Canada, New Zealand, probably more) I contact you because we intend to expand the LPD beyond Europe next year. The aim of the LPD towards the general public is to provide biannual and comprehensive information events about Linux for private users who would like to get a first impression of Linux. The aim towards the media is to make the event so big (both nationally and internationally) that the nationwide non-IT media cover it regularly. The aim towards the Linux community is that an LPD event can be so small and easy to organize (even without costs) that really everyone can try to organize an event with good chances of success. The local organizers decide on their own what their event shall be like; we just make suggestions and offer support. You can find a longer description of the concept here: http://www.linux-presentation-day.org/idea/ Are you as an organization interested in participating in the LPD? If not: Are any of your members interested in helping us bring the LPD to the US? This event is very useful for finding new LUG members. Best regards, (Mr.) Hauke Laging -- http://www.linux-presentation-day.org/ International phone contact for the Linux Presentation Day: tel:+49-30-55579620 (13:00?23:00, German and English) XMPP (Chat with OTR): linux-presentation-day at jabber.ccc.de OTR: 91626899 1C06F2BD 75EC2441 35C696CE 38F75997 From nassarmu at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 14:46:21 2016 From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 14:46:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] expanding Europe's Linux Presentation Day to the US In-Reply-To: <2892325.TJJQUN4MAU@inno> References: <2892325.TJJQUN4MAU@inno> Message-ID: The Computer Science and Engineering(CS) department at the University of Minnesota is interested in being a partner if the TCLUG wants to organize an LPD event. On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Hauke Laging wrote: > Hello, > > in May 2015 Berlin's Linux user group (BeLUG) has started a new type of event > which has spread quickly all over Europe: the Linux Presentation Day (LPD) > > 2015.1: Berlin only > 2016.1 & 2016.2: 120+ cities in 15 countries > 2017.1: first locations outside Europe (Canada, New Zealand, probably more) > > I contact you because we intend to expand the LPD beyond Europe next year. > > The aim of the LPD towards the general public is to provide biannual and > comprehensive information events about Linux for private users who would like > to get a first impression of Linux. > > The aim towards the media is to make the event so big (both nationally and > internationally) that the nationwide non-IT media cover it regularly. > > The aim towards the Linux community is that an LPD event can be so small and > easy to organize (even without costs) that really everyone can try to organize > an event with good chances of success. The local organizers decide on their > own what their event shall be like; we just make suggestions and offer > support. > > > You can find a longer description of the concept here: > > http://www.linux-presentation-day.org/idea/ > > > Are you as an organization interested in participating in the LPD? If not: Are > any of your members interested in helping us bring the LPD to the US? > > This event is very useful for finding new LUG members. > > > Best regards, > > (Mr.) Hauke Laging > -- > http://www.linux-presentation-day.org/ > > International phone contact for the Linux Presentation Day: > tel:+49-30-55579620 (13:00?23:00, German and English) > > XMPP (Chat with OTR): linux-presentation-day at jabber.ccc.de > OTR: 91626899 1C06F2BD 75EC2441 35C696CE 38F75997 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Tue Dec 6 19:47:38 2016 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 19:47:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] expanding Europe's Linux Presentation Day to the US In-Reply-To: References: <2892325.TJJQUN4MAU@inno> Message-ID: <58476A3A.8060101@pinenet.com> This would be wonderful. But I sure have no advice how to do it. I had an old man's big Linux day, today. I got the (German maintained) XForms-toolkit Colorbrowser demo working on (German) Opensuse 12.2 using a (Dutch) FreePascal translation of the C library. A very interactive XWindow program. The XForms Image Library is similarly incredible. I just bored the wife how I worry we are descending into an angry, incompetent society. Tomorrow I take some power supplies with bad capacitors to a MSWindows PC shop to see if he can learn to repair circuit boards; at least he is interested in trying. You can almost start a car on that 12 Volt power. But going into the city is a challenge. One city computer event I attended I begged my way out of a ticket for unknowingly parking in a handicapped spot. Munir Nassar wrote: > The Computer Science and Engineering(CS) department at the University > of Minnesota is interested in being a partner if the TCLUG wants to > organize an LPD event. > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Hauke Laging > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> in May 2015 Berlin's Linux user group (BeLUG) has started a new type of event >> which has spread quickly all over Europe: the Linux Presentation Day (LPD) >> >> 2015.1: Berlin only >> 2016.1 & 2016.2: 120+ cities in 15 countries >> 2017.1: first locations outside Europe (Canada, New Zealand, probably more) >> >> I contact you because we intend to expand the LPD beyond Europe next year. >> >> The aim of the LPD towards the general public is to provide biannual and >> comprehensive information events about Linux for private users who would like >> to get a first impression of Linux. >> >> The aim towards the media is to make the event so big (both nationally and >> internationally) that the nationwide non-IT media cover it regularly. >> >> The aim towards the Linux community is that an LPD event can be so small and >> easy to organize (even without costs) that really everyone can try to organize >> an event with good chances of success. The local organizers decide on their >> own what their event shall be like; we just make suggestions and offer >> support. >> >> >> You can find a longer description of the concept here: >> >> http://www.linux-presentation-day.org/idea/ >> >> >> Are you as an organization interested in participating in the LPD? If not: Are >> any of your members interested in helping us bring the LPD to the US? >> >> This event is very useful for finding new LUG members. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> (Mr.) Hauke Laging >> -- >> http://www.linux-presentation-day.org/ >> >> International phone contact for the Linux Presentation Day: >> tel:+49-30-55579620 (13:00?23:00, German and English) >> >> XMPP (Chat with OTR): linux-presentation-day at jabber.ccc.de >> OTR: 91626899 1C06F2BD 75EC2441 35C696CE 38F75997 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kc0iog at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 21:44:22 2016 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 21:44:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Top posting In-Reply-To: <20161115193734.GB31168@lunn.ch> References: <20161115193734.GB31168@lunn.ch> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Andrew Lunn wrote: > Plus, that is not what he said. And i agree with him, top posts are > just wrong. RFC 1855, from 1995 explains the correct Netiquette, but i > blame M$ Outlook making doing it wrong easy, and doing it right > hard. Plus not educating the unwashed masses about Internet > traditions. Gmail isn't any better. You need to forcibly enable the option to quote the previous text, and then clean up before replying. I was doing it wrong for a long time before someone corrected me. Brian From eng at pinenet.com Mon Dec 12 16:10:48 2016 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 16:10:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Freepascal and XForms demo Message-ID: <584F2068.902@pinenet.com> Here are some html pages that might encourage interest in Freepascal, and XForms toolkit. http://www.sytekcom.com/eng/FreepascalXFormsToolkit.html and http://www.sytekcom.com/eng/FreepascalXFormsColorbrowserDemo.html There are 4 files in the first link. If you select all, then paste into a text editor, you can separate the files at the hash marks and save as the filename given. Freepascal should compile the last 2 (cursorfont and Data_Unit) together, first. Then Types_Unit file. Then the first fp_XForms_Unit.pp file. Of course you will need freepascal and forms library installed first. The fp_XForms_Colorbrowser.pp file will compile most easily in the same directory. Just type "fpc filename". The resulting executable works better than the library original that has a small bug. What is nice is how structured pascal is. Not case sensitive. Records and Objects can be built from C functions. Even linux system calls. XForms callbacks are more properly handled in this freepascal toolkit. I don't urge anybody to keep my naming conventions. But some might recognize Arduino is more pascal than C. A rather oustanding documented compiler, and same for XWindow toolkit, free for trying on linux. From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 14:12:04 2016 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:12:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Freepascal and XForms demo Message-ID: Rick Engebretson writes: > Here are some html pages that might encourage interest in Freepascal, > and XForms toolkit. > > http://www.sytekcom.com/eng/FreepascalXFormsToolkit.html > and > http://www.sytekcom.com/eng/FreepascalXFormsColorbrowserDemo.html C++ never gets old for me. Recently I started a project on Atlassian https://bitbucket.org/woodbrian/onwards/ The software there is more recent than what's available on my website. I'm so far unable to figure out how to add/change anything around the "overview" section. And when I click on the "downloads" page there are no stats about how many times it has been downloaded. Unfortunately, my software now requires a C++2017 compiler. I'd like to ask compiler vendors to make make_unique and string_view available with their C++ 2011 compilers. That way users could get by with a C++2011 compiler. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eng at pinenet.com Tue Dec 13 23:37:18 2016 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 23:37:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Freepascal and XForms demo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5850DA8E.5060909@pinenet.com> You have an interesting project. C++ looks a lot like Pascal, and probably more of a future. Thanks for your reply. Brian Wood wrote: > Rick Engebretson writes: > > > Here are some html pages that might encourage interest in Freepascal, > > and XForms toolkit. > > > > http://www.sytekcom.com/eng/FreepascalXFormsToolkit.html > > > and > > http://www.sytekcom.com/eng/FreepascalXFormsColorbrowserDemo.html > > > C++ never gets old for me. Recently I started a project on Atlassian > > https://bitbucket.org/woodbrian/onwards/ > > > The software there is more recent than what's available on > my website. > > I'm so far unable to figure out how to add/change anything > around the "overview" section. And when I click on the "downloads" > page there are no stats about how many times it has been downloaded. > > Unfortunately, my software now requires a C++2017 compiler. > I'd like to ask compiler vendors to make make_unique and string_view > available with their C++ 2011 compilers. That way users could get by > with > a C++2011 compiler. > > > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. > http://webEbenezer.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From iznogoud at nobelware.com Wed Dec 14 13:31:50 2016 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 19:31:50 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Freepascal and XForms demo In-Reply-To: <5850DA8E.5060909@pinenet.com> References: <5850DA8E.5060909@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20161214193150.GB8427@nobelware.com> Rick, C++ has been around for many years now. It surely is more like C than Pascal... It is worth learning, at any age, if you have the free time. Start with Dennis Richie's book on C and make a quick leap to C++. Most complicated pieces of software are made with C++ now. I have said this before, that in very high performance applications one has to be careful in using C++ intrinsics, like anything STL, and should pay attention to the underlying algorithms that support those templates. If you are doing parallel computing, you need to look a lot deeper. I guess this is for anyone's information to the extent that they care. Brian, I looked at your project on Bitbucket and at its website. It is very likely that the project has no downloads, or that Atlassian wants some money in order to turn on premium features so that you can get that data. As of recently I put some things on Github, to share with others. I do not think Github gives any download activity or anything beyond the commit analytics. Also, for someone who is so crazy about "top posting" I find it very surprising that you have a "the the" on that project's website! (I am just pulling your leg bro.) From eng at pinenet.com Wed Dec 14 22:52:52 2016 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 22:52:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Freepascal and XForms demo In-Reply-To: <20161214193150.GB8427@nobelware.com> References: <5850DA8E.5060909@pinenet.com> <20161214193150.GB8427@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <585221A4.3040605@pinenet.com> Thanks, Iznogoud. Again, I'm sure you're right, but I have plenty of good C and C++ books and use them often to translate to Pascal. For Brian I almost put up links to an AVR microcontroller assembler written in Pascal, that I then expanded the names to more descriptive names. But I don't think anybody would be interested anyway. If you want to play with strings and arrays and records, Pascal does it right. One reason the DOD language Ada is derived from Pascal. I doubt anybody can follow all those pointers, pointers to pointers, and the memory (programmer and computer) management of C and C++. So C++ adopts pascal rules. A Text File and String and Record are the basic computer storage data. Functions and Procedures the basic programming method. A Begin and an End define a block of processing. Constants, Types, and Variables are also basic programming tools. If you copy and paste that XForms html to a syntax highlighted editor (with tabs set to 4 spaces) you will see the logic layout in color. Most of the confusing stuff is converting old style Pascal strings to/from a pointer to a character array (of unknown length) required by the XForms C library. You never know how long a string is in C until you open the box (so to speak). Again, young people might be crazy to learn Pascal, or crazy not to. But it is still a very important option for serious projects, and I'm grateful to the freepascal team. Iznogoud wrote: > Rick, > C++ has been around for many years now. It surely is more like C than Pascal... > It is worth learning, at any age, if you have the free time. Start with Dennis > Richie's book on C and make a quick leap to C++. Most complicated pieces of > software are made with C++ now. I have said this before, that in very high > performance applications one has to be careful in using C++ intrinsics, like > anything STL, and should pay attention to the underlying algorithms that > support those templates. If you are doing parallel computing, you need to look > a lot deeper. > > I guess this is for anyone's information to the extent that they care. > > > Brian, I looked at your project on Bitbucket and at its website. It is very > likely that the project has no downloads, or that Atlassian wants some money > in order to turn on premium features so that you can get that data. As of > recently I put some things on Github, to share with others. I do not think > Github gives any download activity or anything beyond the commit analytics. > > Also, for someone who is so crazy about "top posting" I find it very surprising > that you have a "the the" on that project's website! (I am just pulling your > leg bro.) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From eng at pinenet.com Thu Dec 15 06:59:43 2016 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 06:59:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cybersecurity Message-ID: <585293BF.8010802@pinenet.com> With cybersecurity now part of our daily news, perhaps it's worth asking the linux community what might be done? We hear terms like re-entrant, thread safe, encryption, permissions, anti-virus, etc. But to borrow a phrase, a billion accounts hacked here and a billion hacked there, pretty soon we're talking about a real hacking problem. Many smart people are proud how complex their product is getting. Energy planners say a "smart electric power grid" and "self driving" cars are good for us. From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 09:48:37 2016 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 09:48:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cybersecurity In-Reply-To: <585293BF.8010802@pinenet.com> References: <585293BF.8010802@pinenet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Rick Engebretson wrote: > With cybersecurity now part of our daily news, perhaps it's worth asking the > linux community what might be done? Am waiting for ideas. Possible areas of interest for me 1. secure routers (am using DD-WRT and think I have that covered) 2. ways to shut off browser tab updates when m/c is on but system is not being used (sort of like a good system idle - - - note NOT stopped just idle 3. ways to get even software raid drives to not check so often (I'm no programmer but these are hopefully somewhat useful ideas!) > > We hear terms like re-entrant, thread safe, encryption, permissions, > anti-virus, etc. But to borrow a phrase, a billion accounts hacked here and > a billion hacked there, pretty soon we're talking about a real hacking > problem. The reason that this is not yet a large concern is because far to many people/companies are using these issues to make a boat load of money - - - enough said! > > Many smart people are proud how complex their product is getting. Energy > planners say a "smart electric power grid" and "self driving" cars are good > for us. As PT Barnum was reputed to have said - - - There's a sucker born every minute - - - and - - - You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but you can't fool all the people all the time. These persons might need to be made aware of these axioms. Regards Dee From iznogoud at nobelware.com Thu Dec 15 11:56:57 2016 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 17:56:57 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Freepascal and XForms demo In-Reply-To: <585221A4.3040605@pinenet.com> References: <5850DA8E.5060909@pinenet.com> <20161214193150.GB8427@nobelware.com> <585221A4.3040605@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20161215175657.GA24461@nobelware.com> Rick, I remember Pascal and Modula-2 (what was an evolution of it back then) by the very resepcted Niklaus Wirth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modula-2). Now there are a lot of legacy codes in Pascal that are still in use. But I stand by the fact that most things are C-based and now C++ based. Fortran, can be argued, that is a very advanced programming language programmatically because it hides a lot of the complecity of dealing with "objects" and also allows for a very forgiving (sometimes too forgiving) and flexible syntax. It continues to be the "de facto" supercomputing language since the late 60s (thank the late Grace Cooper for that). These higher level abstractions are very useful, although the geekiest among us will prefer the very low level control of C (and C++). I am not sure this discussion is fruitful at this point, but I enjoy reading about what is now history and legacy of computer systems use/programming from epople like Rick. Most of my colleagues who are younger do not know all of this history and legacy, which in my opinion is something they are missing. One more thing. I have one of Wirth's books, which I bought for cheap on ebay after I saw a video of the maker of MatLab and how he said he had picked up that book on language syntax and parsing to write MatLab's command-line interface. I started reading that chapter right away. Two pages into it and less than 5 minutes later I realized that I was passively reading... I rewind back the tape... and started form the beginning of the chapter. It took me one hour to fully comprehend the first 5 pages of the book! Wow! From iznogoud at nobelware.com Thu Dec 15 12:05:40 2016 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 18:05:40 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] cybersecurity In-Reply-To: References: <585293BF.8010802@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20161215180540.GB24461@nobelware.com> I liked Dee's points. I am sure there are cybersecurity experts among us, and reading this list, so I am looking forward to some ideas. My biggest concerns comes from the behavioural part of a computer user, not so much from the software aspect. This may seem unrelated, but go and read how Kevin Mitnick got access to systems back in the 90s. And a more relevant read is how the twitter handle "N" was taken away from its rightful user due to a single point of failure from Paypal. That was a damn fascinating read. My point is that one cannot rely on software alone to be protected. Linux has many good tools, like encrypted containers, etc. With some care so that there are no back-door access gains when servers are virtualized, those can be very secure. All my hard-drives have encrypted containers, and your swap partitions should be too... As for billions of accounts hacked, it is hard not to be part of this. Most people's email is handled by a third party, with exceptions of course. To the extent that one is careful with their passwords not being re-used, those kind of breaches should not be a huge problem. Now, avoiding password re-use is a whole different story... Guilty I am! My 2 euro-cents. From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Dec 15 14:31:13 2016 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 14:31:13 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Freepascal and XForms demo Cooper? In-Reply-To: <20161215175657.GA24461@nobelware.com> References: <5850DA8E.5060909@pinenet.com> <20161214193150.GB8427@nobelware.com> <585221A4.3040605@pinenet.com> <20161215175657.GA24461@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <7F39348B543F422991580BEC6410724B@D830B> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Iznogoud > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:57 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Freepascal and XForms demo > > to be the "de facto" supercomputing language since the late > 60s (thank the > late Grace Cooper for that). Cooper or "Amazing Grace" Hopper? Chuck From iznogoud at nobelware.com Thu Dec 15 14:49:12 2016 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 20:49:12 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Freepascal and XForms demo Cooper? In-Reply-To: <7F39348B543F422991580BEC6410724B@D830B> References: <5850DA8E.5060909@pinenet.com> <20161214193150.GB8427@nobelware.com> <585221A4.3040605@pinenet.com> <20161215175657.GA24461@nobelware.com> <7F39348B543F422991580BEC6410724B@D830B> Message-ID: <20161215204912.GA30848@nobelware.com> > > Cooper or "Amazing Grace" Hopper? > > Chuck > Apologies to you and her. My keyboard slips interfered. Madam Hooper was amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-vcErOPofQ She is responsible for building compilers for the rest of us mortals. From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Dec 16 00:07:01 2016 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 00:07:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Freepascal and XForms demo Cooper? In-Reply-To: <20161215204912.GA30848@nobelware.com> References: <5850DA8E.5060909@pinenet.com> <20161214193150.GB8427@nobelware.com> <585221A4.3040605@pinenet.com> <20161215175657.GA24461@nobelware.com> <7F39348B543F422991580BEC6410724B@D830B> <20161215204912.GA30848@nobelware.com> Message-ID: That's great! Thanks! She really was quite a gal. .. Good sense of humor too! Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Iznogoud > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 2:49 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Freepascal and XForms demo Cooper? > > > > > Cooper or "Amazing Grace" Hopper? > > > > Chuck > > > > Apologies to you and her. My keyboard slips interfered. > > Madam Hooper was amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-vcErOPofQ > > She is responsible for building compilers for the rest of us mortals. > From kurtis at riseup.net Fri Dec 16 14:58:00 2016 From: kurtis at riseup.net (Kurtis Hanna) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:58:00 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] cybersecurity In-Reply-To: <20161215180540.GB24461@nobelware.com> References: <585293BF.8010802@pinenet.com> <20161215180540.GB24461@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <440e2a12-f1c8-6954-35ac-6ef5a462b474@riseup.net> I co-founded a group called CryptoPartyMN a while back. https://www.cryptopartymn.com/ https://twitter.com/CryptoPartyMN We've done a number of parties so far. We also meet every other week in Minneapolis. There's also a slack channel for the group that was recently made. This isn't the view of the group, but I personally believe that FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) is the crucial foundation on which secure software must be built. Two messaging apps I'd like to name drop are Conversations (Android) and ChatSecure (iOS). They both use OMEMO+XMPP, which I really think is going to become the new bedrock standard for secure communication. Conversations is free if you download it using the F-Droid App Store and use a free server like DuckDuckGo. ChatSecure is about to release OMEMO support in their upcoming 4.0 but they have a beta version out right now that uses it. If you want to use OMEMO+XMPP on Gnu+Linux, there's a 3rd party Gajim plugin. In Solidarity, Kurtis Iznogoud: > I liked Dee's points. > > I am sure there are cybersecurity experts among us, and reading this list, so > I am looking forward to some ideas. > > My biggest concerns comes from the behavioural part of a computer user, not so > much from the software aspect. This may seem unrelated, but go and read how > Kevin Mitnick got access to systems back in the 90s. And a more relevant read > is how the twitter handle "N" was taken away from its rightful user due to > a single point of failure from Paypal. That was a damn fascinating read. > > My point is that one cannot rely on software alone to be protected. Linux has > many good tools, like encrypted containers, etc. With some care so that there > are no back-door access gains when servers are virtualized, those can be very > secure. All my hard-drives have encrypted containers, and your swap partitions > should be too... > > As for billions of accounts hacked, it is hard not to be part of this. Most > people's email is handled by a third party, with exceptions of course. To the > extent that one is careful with their passwords not being re-used, those kind > of breaches should not be a huge problem. Now, avoiding password re-use is a > whole different story... Guilty I am! > > My 2 euro-cents. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >