Hi, Ryan:  Well, it's not too soon to start designing a statewide 
community emergency broadband mesh network. Rochester is considering the 
feasibility of such a network as we sit here.  :)

Tom

P.S.  I could be wrong about that.  I'm guessing these networks can be 
sustainable based on a business model that pairs up advertisers with 
content.


On 08/22/2016 10:29 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>
> Mesh is nice. I design and install large systems as part of my day job.
>
>
>
>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I really like this wireless mesh stuff. I am very interested. doing 
>> some deep reading now.
>>
>> http://qmp.cat/Overview
>>
>> also check out how it has cat in the domain name. facebook flagged it 
>> as dangerous so i had click a few pictures of cats and what not to 
>> get it to publish.  this is the site off of the nyc mesh link from 
>> tom poe.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Sandwhich Eyes 
>> <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com <mailto:sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>        r hayman very nice. you just can't argue with that!
>>     Should i give people credit for some of these ideas? is that
>>     something anyone would want? i think it would build up the
>>     community aspect, because that is exactly what this is.
>>
>>     On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:50 PM, r hayman <rhayman at pureice.com
>>     <mailto:rhayman at pureice.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Relevancy.
>>         To remain relevant in many job fields, students must learn
>>         about open source software and Linux. To prepare our students
>>         and our future work force to be relevant when they enter the
>>         work force, academia and the business world need to be
>>         aligned and that alignment, in many ways is with open source
>>         software.
>>
>>         Running open source or COTS software is seldom a business
>>         differentiator today, it may only be a (negative)
>>         differentiator based on licensing and support costs.
>>
>>         Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate and
>>         environment research, simulations of all types,
>>         manufacturing, design, you name it, it predominantly runs on
>>         Linux and open source.
>>
>>         For example, visit https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/
>>         <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/> and filter on
>>         TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies): Operating
>>         System, Application Area, and Segments.
>>
>>         You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites in the
>>         world, not a single one runs either Windows or Mac OS X. Only
>>         16 - just a hair over 3%, run something other than some
>>         obvious distribution of Linux.
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>>>         When my kids were in High School I tried working with our school
>>>         district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get programming taught,
>>>         somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at least one MSWindows 95 in
>>>         some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school because of an ice storm
>>>         I called and they said I could install the QBasic from Windows, along
>>>         with program examples galore. So I left my kids home and drove to town
>>>         and installed it all. I later went to school board meetings and they
>>>         fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political" is an understatement.
>>>
>>>         I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know how kids can make it
>>>         in the future without knowing electronics and programming. It seems they
>>>         are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard them intellectually.
>>>         It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s.
>>>
>>>         Linda Kateley wrote:
>>>>         I started working with my school district about 10 years
>>>>         ago. The problems I find there are always political and
>>>>         never about technology. What worked for me is to find one
>>>>         champion in the system that speaks the administrations
>>>>         language. I found there were a ton of people who wanted to
>>>>         know, just not at the top. I introduced scratch to the
>>>>         elementary STEM school about 5 years ago,
>>>>         https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the districts first
>>>>         involvement with opensource or community. The project has
>>>>         been very very successful and it opened the doors to more.
>>>>         But then they hired a new superintendent that thought it
>>>>         was stupid so..that happened ;( linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM,
>>>>         Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
>>>>>         I have already given one presentation at the Blair Taylor
>>>>>         School with the principal and an IT guy and have been
>>>>>         asked to give a follow up talk to them and the head of the
>>>>>         IT department. They had macbook air for the older kids and
>>>>>         ipads for the younger ones. They bring these home at the
>>>>>         end of the school day. This time they decided to go with
>>>>>         cromebooks. It one of the best.. rated or testing, can't
>>>>>         think of an appropriate word, but with the quality of the
>>>>>         teachers out here i am pretty sure they could give my kids
>>>>>         sticks and a box of sand and they would still be well
>>>>>         prepared for life on their own/college. I am 100% positive
>>>>>         they will be much better off if they can learn without
>>>>>         restrictions from open source hardware, software, classes
>>>>>         (like MIT offers open courseware) and the ability to
>>>>>         choose, to not be scolded for breaking some license
>>>>>         agreement or for reading and modifying code should that be
>>>>>         an interest. I want them to have Linux. I have gave a
>>>>>         compelling argument in the last meeting. This time I want
>>>>>         to have as many resources available to provide for them,
>>>>>         including reasons why schools frequently choose to not use
>>>>>         Linux. Anything will help. I had quite the presentation
>>>>>         last time and the IT guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4
>>>>>         was; or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems Ubuntu provides
>>>>>         computers reloaded with Linux and tablets so how they
>>>>>         didn't find anything about open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is
>>>>>         beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on a thumb drive.
>>>>>         I wanted to make some more and use persistence to load up
>>>>>         some information to give to the IT people who are possibly
>>>>>         way under informed, to give them plenty of time on their
>>>>>         own to absorb what open source has to offer; mostly
>>>>>         community! They asked many questions about community. Yes
>>>>>         we work together and keep our favorite distributions alive
>>>>>         often without corporate support!
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