r hayman very nice. you just can't argue with that!
Should i give people credit for some of these ideas? is that something
anyone would want? i think it would build up the
community aspect, because that is exactly what this is.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:50 PM, r hayman <rhayman at pureice.com> wrote:

> Relevancy.
> To remain relevant in many job fields, students must learn about open
> source software and Linux. To prepare our students and our future work
> force to be relevant when they enter the work force, academia and the
> business world need to be aligned and that alignment, in many ways is with
> open source software.
>
> Running open source or COTS software is seldom a business differentiator
> today, it may only be a (negative) differentiator based on licensing and
> support costs.
>
> Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate and environment
> research, simulations of all types, manufacturing, design, you name it, it
> predominantly runs on Linux and open source.
>
> For example, visit https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ and filter on
> TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies): Operating System,
> Application Area, and Segments.
>
> You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites in the world, not a
> single one runs either Windows or Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair over 3%,
> run something other than some obvious distribution of Linux.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>
> When my kids were in High School I tried working with our school
> district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get programming taught,
> somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at least one MSWindows 95 in
> some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school because of an ice storm
> I called and they said I could install the QBasic from Windows, along
> with program examples galore. So I left my kids home and drove to town
> and installed it all. I later went to school board meetings and they
> fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political" is an understatement.
>
> I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know how kids can make it
> in the future without knowing electronics and programming. It seems they
> are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard them intellectually.
> It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s.
>
> Linda Kateley wrote:
>
>
>
> I started working with my school district about 10 years ago. The
> problems I find there are always political and never about technology.
>
> What worked for me is to find one champion in the system that speaks
> the administrations language. I found there were a ton of people who
> wanted to know, just not at the top.
>
> I introduced scratch to the elementary STEM school about 5 years ago, https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the districts first involvement with
> opensource or community. The project has been very very successful and
> it opened the doors to more. But then they hired a new superintendent
> that thought it was stupid so..that happened ;(
>
> linda
>
>
> On 8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
>
>
>    I have already given one presentation at the Blair Taylor School
> with the principal and an IT guy and have been asked to give a follow
> up talk to them and the head of the IT department.
>    They had macbook air for the older kids and ipads for the younger
> ones. They bring these home at the end of the school day. This time
> they decided to go with cromebooks. It one of the best.. rated or
> testing, can't think of an appropriate word, but with the quality of
> the teachers out here i am pretty sure they could give my kids sticks
> and a box of sand and they would still be well prepared for life on
> their own/college. I am 100% positive they will be much better off if
> they can learn without restrictions from open source hardware,
> software, classes (like MIT offers open courseware) and the ability
> to choose, to not be scolded for breaking some license agreement or
> for reading and modifying code should that be an interest. I want
> them to have Linux.
>    I have gave a compelling argument in the last meeting. This time I
> want to have as many resources available to provide for them,
> including reasons why schools frequently choose to not use Linux.
> Anything will help. I had quite the presentation last time and the IT
> guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4 was; or Linux, BSD, Solaris.
> Seems Ubuntu provides computers reloaded with Linux and tablets so
> how they didn't find anything about open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is
> beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on a thumb drive. I wanted to
> make some more and use persistence to load up some information to
> give to the IT people who are possibly way under informed, to give
> them plenty of time on their own to absorb what open source has to
> offer; mostly community!
>    They asked many questions about community. Yes we work together
> and keep our favorite distributions alive often without corporate
> support!
>
>
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