From kenlynes at usa.net  Thu Jan  1 10:34:50 2015
From: kenlynes at usa.net (Kenneth Lynes)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 10:34:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 120, Issue 41
Message-ID: <127TaaqhY6064S05.1420130090@web05.cms.usa.net>

Paul,  
Did you install the special codecs needed to play videos? They used to be
called "restricted formats" but if you are having a problem playing videos or
songs etc it can be attributed to lack of codecs; and you can download and try
using VLC player.
Ken Lynes

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>    1. Re: html5 on 3.13.etc kernel (paul g)
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> From: paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
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> 
> Very odd - as I have Firefox 34.0 on Mint17 --> Edit --> Preferences -->
Privacy --> History --> Firefox will never remember history 'clkd'. I even
tried to play a couple songs on my laptop which is 32 bit Mint17 Maya last
evening and I had to specifically 'enable html5 player' or I get the 'An error
occured please try again later' message. I attached a screenshot of the error
message. So basically now for me I have to specifically enable the 'HTML5'
player via this link n songs play fine - in the browser then. -->
https://www.youtube.com/html5 
> 
> Well it's probably not kernel related then your knowledge is respected.
Could my ISP be doing something? I am just really wondering here.  
> 
> Paul G 
> 
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:20:47 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> 
> I don't see how, or why this would be kernel related.
> 
> Firefox 34 works as expected on Fedora.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:10 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Verified to be Firefox 34.0 from my end here. Now it's actually the same
with the 3.2 kernel as the 3.13 kernel. I tick this link then all works fine.
https://www.youtube.com/html5  'The HTML5 player is currently used when
possible.' 
>     Not Iceweasel at all don't even have it installed.
> 
> Hey, by now you should know the deal either way ? <-- What are your
thoughts?
>  
> Happy Holiday's to you sir.
> 
> Paul G
> 
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:47:27 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> 
> From the page you linked: "
> Many YouTube videos will play using HTML5 in supported browsers. You 
> can request that the HTML5 player be used if your browser doesn't use it
>  by default.
> 
> 
>     If you encounter any problems, right-click on the player and choose
"report playback issue", or let us know on the user support forums. Your
feedback will help us continue to improve the player."
> 
> 
> Of the 6 technologies listed, how many of them (and which ones) are
supported by your browser? Which version of Firefox are you using? Is it
actually Firefox and not something like IceWeasel?
> 
> 
> 
> I doubt that this is a kernel-level issue.
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:46 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> It appears as that 'YouTube' music videos are not working 'out of box' with
the newer 3.13 Kernel. Kernel 3.2.etc seems to work fine. Can anyone recommend
a solution beyond this link --> https://www.youtube.com/html5 every time
Firefox is loaded  persay/systemwide  
> 
> This affects Debian based systems and yes as we well know Mainly LinuxMint.

> 
> Thank you for your time, ?
> 
> Paul G 
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  1 14:20:35 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 14:20:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 120, Issue 41
In-Reply-To: <127TaaqhY6064S05.1420130090@web05.cms.usa.net>
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W119CF8A04F8AA79B3C17F07995C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Ken, Yes I installed the required codecs. The situation is now with the newer 'adobe flashplayer version 11.2.101.405' some YouTube music videos apparently fail to play. <--I have no understanding as to why this is happening but it is. So I sent out a post on some forums somewhere and got a reply to use 'YouTube HTML5 Video Player' --> https://www.youtube.com/html5 <--which does work. LinuxMint 17 makes it so nice because you can obtain an .iso with the 'resticted formats' included in the .iso. I tried renaming the 'flash player version to and older version in '/home/visitor/.mozilla/firefox/mwad0hks.default/pluginreg.dat' restarting Firefox but that did not seem to help alot except complaints started occurring as to why I am running an old outdated version of flash. So as of now I am going to stick with the latest flash 11.2.101.405 and use the YouTube HTML5 Video Player on the rare occasion I do watch a music - video on YouTube. If I do a web search on 'flash games' and load up some flash game it works fine. It looks like it's some YouTube related situation from what I can tell.

Happy Holidays to you - ?

Paul G


> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 10:34:50 -0600
> From: kenlynes at usa.net
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 120, Issue 41
> 
> Paul,  
> Did you install the special codecs needed to play videos? They used to be
> called "restricted formats" but if you are having a problem playing videos or
> songs etc it can be attributed to lack of codecs; and you can download and try
> using VLC player.
> Ken Lynes
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:04:49 PM CST
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> >    1. Re: html5 on 3.13.etc kernel (paul g)
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> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:35:14 -0600
> > From: paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > Message-ID: <BAY168-W4817CDA10B02F752964D71995F0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > 
> > Very odd - as I have Firefox 34.0 on Mint17 --> Edit --> Preferences -->
> Privacy --> History --> Firefox will never remember history 'clkd'. I even
> tried to play a couple songs on my laptop which is 32 bit Mint17 Maya last
> evening and I had to specifically 'enable html5 player' or I get the 'An error
> occured please try again later' message. I attached a screenshot of the error
> message. So basically now for me I have to specifically enable the 'HTML5'
> player via this link n songs play fine - in the browser then. -->
> https://www.youtube.com/html5 
> > 
> > Well it's probably not kernel related then your knowledge is respected.
> Could my ISP be doing something? I am just really wondering here.  
> > 
> > Paul G 
> > 
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:20:47 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > 
> > I don't see how, or why this would be kernel related.
> > 
> > Firefox 34 works as expected on Fedora.
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:10 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Verified to be Firefox 34.0 from my end here. Now it's actually the same
> with the 3.2 kernel as the 3.13 kernel. I tick this link then all works fine.
> https://www.youtube.com/html5  'The HTML5 player is currently used when
> possible.' 
> >     Not Iceweasel at all don't even have it installed.
> > 
> > Hey, by now you should know the deal either way ? <-- What are your
> thoughts?
> >  
> > Happy Holiday's to you sir.
> > 
> > Paul G
> > 
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:47:27 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > 
> > From the page you linked: "
> > Many YouTube videos will play using HTML5 in supported browsers. You 
> > can request that the HTML5 player be used if your browser doesn't use it
> >  by default.
> > 
> > 
> >     If you encounter any problems, right-click on the player and choose
> "report playback issue", or let us know on the user support forums. Your
> feedback will help us continue to improve the player."
> > 
> > 
> > Of the 6 technologies listed, how many of them (and which ones) are
> supported by your browser? Which version of Firefox are you using? Is it
> actually Firefox and not something like IceWeasel?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I doubt that this is a kernel-level issue.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:46 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It appears as that 'YouTube' music videos are not working 'out of box' with
> the newer 3.13 Kernel. Kernel 3.2.etc seems to work fine. Can anyone recommend
> a solution beyond this link --> https://www.youtube.com/html5 every time
> Firefox is loaded  persay/systemwide  
> > 
> > This affects Debian based systems and yes as we well know Mainly LinuxMint.
> 
> > 
> > Thank you for your time, ?
> > 
> > Paul G 
> >  		 	   		  
> > 
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> > President, UNI Scuba Club
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jan  2 10:52:17 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 10:52:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
Message-ID: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>

Trying to compile SpamAssassin (Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS) after failing to upgrade it for the same error listed:

> root at mail:/home/ryan# apt-get install spamassassin --reinstall
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree       
> Reading state information... Done
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> 1 not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 1,034 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main spamassassin all 3.4.0-1ubuntu2 [1,034 kB]
> Fetched 1,034 kB in 0s (1,206 kB/s)     
> (Reading database ... 188916 files and directories currently installed.)
> Preparing to unpack .../spamassassin_3.4.0-1ubuntu2_all.deb ...
> Stopping SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: spamd.
> Unpacking spamassassin (3.4.0-1ubuntu2) over (3.4.0-1ubuntu2) ...
> Processing triggers for ureadahead (0.100.0-16) ...
> ureadahead will be reprofiled on next reboot
> Processing triggers for man-db (2.6.7.1-1ubuntu1) ...
> Setting up spamassassin (3.4.0-1ubuntu2) ...
> Starting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: spamd.
> Setting up sa-compile (3.4.0-1ubuntu2) ...
> Running sa-compile (may take a long time)
> cannot create ./.spamassassin5447X1GMrctmp/log: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/sa-compile line 278.
> dpkg: error processing package sa-compile (--configure):
>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  sa-compile
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> root at mail:/home/ryan# 
> 


It?s making the directory but not the sub of ?log? and I cannot figure out why. 

Lines from #270:

> if (!$quiet) { print "cd $dirpath\n"  or die "error writing: $!" }
> 
>     rule2xs($basespath);
> 
>     my $log = "";
>     if ($quiet) {
>       $log = ">>$dirpath/log";
>       # empty it
>       open(ZERO, ">$dirpath/log")  or die "cannot create $dirpath/log: $!";
>       close ZERO  or die "error closing $dirpath/log: $!";
>     }

I am not a perl programmer but I tried to do mkdir "$dirpath/log?;  to no avail (no error) also tried print $dirpath; and got nothing, too.

There?s almost nothing on the web about this. 
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jan  2 11:05:37 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:05:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021101470.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>

Huh. My mail server is the only machine I still haven't upgraded to 14.04, 
and now I don't want to!

Well, first, "log" appears to be a file, so mkdir is a bad idea (;

Now the only idea I have is going

$dirpath="/tmp";

and seeing if that helps...

Worst case I'd almost disable making a log altogether.


On Fri, 2 Jan 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> Trying to compile SpamAssassin (Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS) after failing to upgrade
> it for the same error listed:
>
>       root at mail:/home/ryan# apt-get install spamassassin --reinstall
>       Reading package lists... Done
>       Building dependency tree? ? ? ?
>       Reading state information... Done
>       0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0
>       not upgraded.
>       1 not fully installed or removed.
>       Need to get 1,034 kB of archives.
>       After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
>       Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main
>       spamassassin all 3.4.0-1ubuntu2 [1,034 kB]
>       Fetched 1,034 kB in 0s (1,206 kB/s)? ? ?
>       (Reading database ... 188916 files and directories currently
>       installed.)
>       Preparing to unpack .../spamassassin_3.4.0-1ubuntu2_all.deb ...
>       Stopping SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: spamd.
>       Unpacking spamassassin (3.4.0-1ubuntu2) over (3.4.0-1ubuntu2)
>       ...
>       Processing triggers for ureadahead (0.100.0-16) ...
>       ureadahead will be reprofiled on next reboot
>       Processing triggers for man-db (2.6.7.1-1ubuntu1) ...
>       Setting up spamassassin (3.4.0-1ubuntu2) ...
>       Starting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: spamd.
>       Setting up sa-compile (3.4.0-1ubuntu2) ...
>       Running sa-compile (may take a long time)
>       cannot create ./.spamassassin5447X1GMrctmp/log: No such file or
>       directory at /usr/bin/sa-compile line 278.
>       dpkg: error processing package sa-compile (--configure):
>       ?subprocess installed post-installation script returned error
>       exit status 2
>       Errors were encountered while processing:
>       ?sa-compile
>       E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>       root at mail:/home/ryan#?
> 
> 
> 
> It?s making the directory but not the sub of ?log? and I cannot figure out
> why.?
> 
> Lines from #270:
>
>       if (!$quiet) { print "cd $dirpath\n"??or die "error writing: $!"
>       }
>
>       ? ??rule2xs($basespath);
>
>       ? ??my $log = "";
>       ? ??if ($quiet) {
>       ? ? ??$log = ">>$dirpath/log";
>       ? ? ??# empty it
>       ? ? ??open(ZERO, ">$dirpath/log")??or die "cannot create
>       $dirpath/log: $!";
>       ? ? ??close ZERO??or die "error closing $dirpath/log: $!";
>       ? ??}
> 
> 
> I am not a perl programmer but I tried to do mkdir?"$dirpath/log?; ?to no
> avail (no error) also tried print $dirpath;?and got nothing, too.
> 
> There?s almost nothing on the web about this.?
> 
>

From nassarmu at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 11:10:34 2015
From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:10:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com>

is the home directory mounted nfs with root_squash?

unless it tries to create ./.spamassassin5447X1GMrctmp/log in a temp
space it seems to be trying to do so in the current working
directory(bad idea IMHO and if that is the case you should file a bug
report)

try changing your directory before installing, see if that works.


On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> Trying to compile SpamAssassin (Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS) after failing to upgrade
> it for the same error listed:
>
> root at mail:/home/ryan# apt-get install spamassassin --reinstall
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not
> upgraded.
> 1 not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 1,034 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main spamassassin
> all 3.4.0-1ubuntu2 [1,034 kB]
> Fetched 1,034 kB in 0s (1,206 kB/s)
> (Reading database ... 188916 files and directories currently installed.)
> Preparing to unpack .../spamassassin_3.4.0-1ubuntu2_all.deb ...
> Stopping SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: spamd.
> Unpacking spamassassin (3.4.0-1ubuntu2) over (3.4.0-1ubuntu2) ...
> Processing triggers for ureadahead (0.100.0-16) ...
> ureadahead will be reprofiled on next reboot
> Processing triggers for man-db (2.6.7.1-1ubuntu1) ...
> Setting up spamassassin (3.4.0-1ubuntu2) ...
> Starting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: spamd.
> Setting up sa-compile (3.4.0-1ubuntu2) ...
> Running sa-compile (may take a long time)
> cannot create ./.spamassassin5447X1GMrctmp/log: No such file or directory at
> /usr/bin/sa-compile line 278.
> dpkg: error processing package sa-compile (--configure):
>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  sa-compile
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> root at mail:/home/ryan#
>
>
>
> It?s making the directory but not the sub of ?log? and I cannot figure out
> why.
>
> Lines from #270:
>
> if (!$quiet) { print "cd $dirpath\n"  or die "error writing: $!" }
>
>     rule2xs($basespath);
>
>     my $log = "";
>     if ($quiet) {
>       $log = ">>$dirpath/log";
>       # empty it
>       open(ZERO, ">$dirpath/log")  or die "cannot create $dirpath/log: $!";
>       close ZERO  or die "error closing $dirpath/log: $!";
>     }
>
>
> I am not a perl programmer but I tried to do mkdir "$dirpath/log?;  to no
> avail (no error) also tried print $dirpath; and got nothing, too.
>
> There?s almost nothing on the web about this.
>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jan  2 11:15:30 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:15:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>
 <CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Fri, 2 Jan 2015, Munir Nassar wrote:

> is the home directory mounted nfs with root_squash?

That's what I thoguht but I saw he was in his homedir.

Only other thing I could think of would be if it creates the dir as root 
and then for some reason drops privs. Which, yeah, bug report (:

BTW hi Munir, glad to see you're still around (:


From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 11:19:51 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:19:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>,
 <CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W9512BDA8E7B9D4271FF302995D0@phx.gbl>

Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before? 

? - Happy New Year

> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:15:30 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
> 
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2015, Munir Nassar wrote:
> 
> > is the home directory mounted nfs with root_squash?
> 
> That's what I thoguht but I saw he was in his homedir.
> 
> Only other thing I could think of would be if it creates the dir as root 
> and then for some reason drops privs. Which, yeah, bug report (:
> 
> BTW hi Munir, glad to see you're still around (:
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jan  2 11:28:38 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W9512BDA8E7B9D4271FF302995D0@phx.gbl>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz> <, >
 <CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com> <,
 > <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <BAY168-W9512BDA8E7B9D4271FF302995D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BED5CEB0-3F40-4BAE-8E8A-2389FFF21A73@cwis.biz>

Unlikely.

> On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before? 
> 
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 11:33:41 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:33:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <BED5CEB0-3F40-4BAE-8E8A-2389FFF21A73@cwis.biz>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz> <,
 >,<CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com> <,,>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 <BAY168-W9512BDA8E7B9D4271FF302995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <BED5CEB0-3F40-4BAE-8E8A-2389FFF21A73@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W122C24606D4E9E84D505B53995D0@phx.gbl>

That is kinda really actually interesting. So how long if you file a proper bug report would it perhaps take to get into the hands of the programmer and then sent down the pike as patched as in a new package? I was reading that with Arch it can happen within a week. That's one thing about Debian as I have started to perhaps understand a little more is time it may take to get bugs fixed. I do understand that Spam Assassin is a program not a part of Debian or Ubuntu in any way.

? - Happy New Year

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?

Unlikely.
On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before? 

 - Happy New Year



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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jan  2 11:36:30 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:36:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] [RESOLVED] Re: SpamAssassin compiling error - any
	ideas?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>
 <CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <1F6F9F04-C624-48B8-A9A2-6A154E716C14@cwis.biz>


> On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2015, Munir Nassar wrote:
> 
>> is the home directory mounted nfs with root_squash?
> 
> That's what I thoguht but I saw he was in his homedir.
No it?s a fully local system.

> Only other thing I could think of would be if it creates the dir as root and then for some reason drops privs. Which, yeah, bug report (:
> 

Tried the directory thing - no luck.

What I did do (finally figured it out) was 1) change the tmp dir per suggestion and then I 2) commented out the directory delete call.

It appears to have worked - I?m rebooting the server now and it is running spamassassin again

-ryan

From andrew at lunn.ch  Fri Jan  2 11:48:50 2015
From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 18:48:50 +0100
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W122C24606D4E9E84D505B53995D0@phx.gbl>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz> <,>
 <CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <,,> <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <BAY168-W9512BDA8E7B9D4271FF302995D0@phx.gbl>
 <BED5CEB0-3F40-4BAE-8E8A-2389FFF21A73@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W122C24606D4E9E84D505B53995D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20150102174850.GC6708@lunn.ch>

> That's one thing about Debian as I have started to perhaps
> understand a little more is time it may take to get bugs fixed. I do
> understand that Spam Assassin is a program not a part of Debian or
> Ubuntu in any way.

This is not just a property of Debian. It applies to all Linux
distribution.

The job of a distribution is to collect together lots of software from
other people and put them together in a way that they work
together. The distribution itself writes very little software. The
installer probably comes from the distribution builders. Some artwork
comes from the distribution builders. Some of the configuration files
come from the distribution. But 99.99% comes from the so could
'upstream', the original software authors.

This plays a role when reporting bugs. Take this spamassassin
problem. Is the problem with the configuration files which Ubuntu
themselves created? Or is the problem with the upstream software?

If the problem is with the way the distribution integrated
spamassassin into the distribution, you should report the issue to the
distribution. If the problem is with spamassassin itself, you should
report the problem to upstream, the spamassassin authors.

       Andrew

From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 12:39:29 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 12:39:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W122C24606D4E9E84D505B53995D0@phx.gbl>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>
 <CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <BAY168-W9512BDA8E7B9D4271FF302995D0@phx.gbl>
 <BED5CEB0-3F40-4BAE-8E8A-2389FFF21A73@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W122C24606D4E9E84D505B53995D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+NjAOPZqyG4Z6_d58KSAc0zO69ozK3GcvQAJH5-wg+mqw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> That is kinda really actually interesting. So how long if you file a
> proper bug report would it perhaps take to get into the hands of the
> programmer
>

With most open source projects, the bug reports go straight to the
interested devs.



> and then sent down the pike as patched as in a new package?
>

Depends on how much the programmers care, and how many people it impacts,
and how long it takes to code a fix. In some cases minutes, in some, the
bugs linger around for years because no one cares enough to devote the time
to fix it.



> I was reading that with Arch it can happen within a week. That's one thing
> about Debian as I have started to perhaps understand a little more is time
> it may take to get bugs fixed.
>

This is mostly due to the number of architectures Debian supports. The
fixes don't always take a long time, compiling and testing the fixes on
multiple architectures sometimes does.


> I do understand that Spam Assassin is a program not a part of Debian or
> Ubuntu in any way.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy New Year
>
> ------------------------------
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
>
> Unlikely.
>
> On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam
> Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before?
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy New Year
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 12:42:13 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 12:42:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+NjAOPZqyG4Z6_d58KSAc0zO69ozK3GcvQAJH5-wg+mqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>
 <CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <BAY168-W9512BDA8E7B9D4271FF302995D0@phx.gbl>
 <BED5CEB0-3F40-4BAE-8E8A-2389FFF21A73@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W122C24606D4E9E84D505B53995D0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+NjAOPZqyG4Z6_d58KSAc0zO69ozK3GcvQAJH5-wg+mqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+Mu0OaW3nSNN657_t2aYw_ERJv1GqSvgtEaDZHT6+g+Xg@mail.gmail.com>

I'll correct myself here -- in my last email, I made the assumption that we
were talking about bug reports that are properly filed with the correct
project. I feel like that needed to be clarified based on Andrew's reply.

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That is kinda really actually interesting. So how long if you file a
>> proper bug report would it perhaps take to get into the hands of the
>> programmer
>>
>
> With most open source projects, the bug reports go straight to the
> interested devs.
>
>
>
>> and then sent down the pike as patched as in a new package?
>>
>
> Depends on how much the programmers care, and how many people it impacts,
> and how long it takes to code a fix. In some cases minutes, in some, the
> bugs linger around for years because no one cares enough to devote the time
> to fix it.
>
>
>
>> I was reading that with Arch it can happen within a week. That's one
>> thing about Debian as I have started to perhaps understand a little more is
>> time it may take to get bugs fixed.
>>
>
> This is mostly due to the number of architectures Debian supports. The
> fixes don't always take a long time, compiling and testing the fixes on
> multiple architectures sometimes does.
>
>
>> I do understand that Spam Assassin is a program not a part of Debian or
>> Ubuntu in any way.
>>
>> [image: Emoji] - Happy New Year
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
>> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0600
>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
>>
>> Unlikely.
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam
>> Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before?
>>
>> [image: Emoji] - Happy New Year
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
>> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>



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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 14:32:16 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 14:32:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+Mu0OaW3nSNN657_t2aYw_ERJv1GqSvgtEaDZHT6+g+Xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>,
 <CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 <BAY168-W9512BDA8E7B9D4271FF302995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <BED5CEB0-3F40-4BAE-8E8A-2389FFF21A73@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W122C24606D4E9E84D505B53995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+NjAOPZqyG4Z6_d58KSAc0zO69ozK3GcvQAJH5-wg+mqw@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAJt84+Mu0OaW3nSNN657_t2aYw_ERJv1GqSvgtEaDZHT6+g+Xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W538281352BFE5511AF333A995D0@phx.gbl>

1. Would this issue that Ryan was having with SpamAssassin be a legit bug report situation? Ryan obviously figured out the problem without the need to file a bug report and therefore was able to install the software.

2. Now, if this is a legit bug report situation and Ryan had needed or wanted to file a bug report what would be the 'correct' avenue to do so would he start with the SpamAssassin development team or Ubuntu or Debian upstream maintainers? 

This to me is a good question to learn on because it would help me in the future if I needed to file a bug report. Pointing to where best and most appropriate to 'ask the question/duplicate the situation' to the proper area. As far as bug reports are concerned.

Thanks for taking your time to respond. 

Happy New Year ?



Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 12:42:13 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?

I'll correct myself here -- in my last email, I made the assumption that we were talking about bug reports that are properly filed with the correct project. I feel like that needed to be clarified based on Andrew's reply.

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:


On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



That is kinda really actually interesting. So how long if you file a proper bug report would it perhaps take to get into the hands of the programmer
With most open source projects, the bug reports go straight to the interested devs.

  and then sent down the pike as patched as in a new package? 
Depends on how much the programmers care, and how many people it impacts, and how long it takes to code a fix. In some cases minutes, in some, the bugs linger around for years because no one cares enough to devote the time to fix it.

 I was reading that with Arch it can happen within a week. That's one thing about Debian as I have started to perhaps understand a little more is time it may take to get bugs fixed.
This is mostly due to the number of architectures Debian supports. The fixes don't always take a long time, compiling and testing the fixes on multiple architectures sometimes does.
  I do understand that Spam Assassin is a program not a part of Debian or Ubuntu in any way.

? - Happy New Year

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?

Unlikely.
On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before? 

? - Happy New Year



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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 14:37:49 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 14:37:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
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On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:32 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 1. Would this issue that Ryan was having with SpamAssassin be a legit bug
> report situation? Ryan obviously figured out the problem without the need
> to file a bug report and therefore was able to install the software.
>

Yes, since it is an opportunity to improve the software.


>
> 2. Now, if this is a legit bug report situation and Ryan had needed or
> wanted to file a bug report what would be the 'correct' avenue to do so
> would he start with the SpamAssassin development team or Ubuntu or Debian
> upstream maintainers?
>

Most likely Spam Assassin -- given that he was compiling, it is unlikely he
was compiling from Ubuntu-provided source code. Most of the time you
compile, you are doing so to get a newer version than what is provided by
your distro (or want to change the defaults). Even if it was provided by
Ubuntu/Debian, unless the error is due to a change made by Ubuntu/Debian,
why would you report the issue to them?


>
> This to me is a good question to learn on because it would help me in the
> future if I needed to file a bug report. Pointing to where best and most
> appropriate to 'ask the question/duplicate the situation' to the proper
> area. As far as bug reports are concerned.
>
> Thanks for taking your time to respond.
>
> Happy New Year [image: Emoji]
>
>
>
You report the bug to whomever created the bug, typically.



>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 12:42:13 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
>
> I'll correct myself here -- in my last email, I made the assumption that
> we were talking about bug reports that are properly filed with the correct
> project. I feel like that needed to be clarified based on Andrew's reply.
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> That is kinda really actually interesting. So how long if you file a
> proper bug report would it perhaps take to get into the hands of the
> programmer
>
>
> With most open source projects, the bug reports go straight to the
> interested devs.
>
>
>
> and then sent down the pike as patched as in a new package?
>
>
> Depends on how much the programmers care, and how many people it impacts,
> and how long it takes to code a fix. In some cases minutes, in some, the
> bugs linger around for years because no one cares enough to devote the time
> to fix it.
>
>
>
> I was reading that with Arch it can happen within a week. That's one thing
> about Debian as I have started to perhaps understand a little more is time
> it may take to get bugs fixed.
>
>
> This is mostly due to the number of architectures Debian supports. The
> fixes don't always take a long time, compiling and testing the fixes on
> multiple architectures sometimes does.
>
>
> I do understand that Spam Assassin is a program not a part of Debian or
> Ubuntu in any way.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy New Year
>
> ------------------------------
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
>
> Unlikely.
>
> On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam
> Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before?
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy New Year
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>


-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 15:32:51 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 15:32:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New Ubuntu 14.04 based OS for PowerPC with Mate!
Message-ID: <BAY168-W39DADAFD0AB9681D58C646995D0@phx.gbl>

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads

https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-trusty-powerpc/  

Caught my eye as I have yet to install 'attempt to try to install'

Anyone tried the Trusty-Mate version out yet?

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From mat at mthx.org  Fri Jan  2 15:36:13 2015
From: mat at mthx.org (Marc Thomas)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 15:36:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New Ubuntu 14.04 based OS for PowerPC with Mate!
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W39DADAFD0AB9681D58C646995D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W39DADAFD0AB9681D58C646995D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1420234573.2488.3@smtp.gmail.com>

I haven't tried it myself (powerpc or not), but I've heard that Ubuntu 
MATE edition 14.04 is really rock solid.

--
Marc Thomas
mthx.org | Github: mthxx | @mthx_

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads
> 
> https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-trusty-powerpc/
> 
> Caught my eye as I have yet to install 'attempt to try to install'
> 
> Anyone tried the Trusty-Mate version out yet?
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Happy New Year
> 
> 
> 
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 16:49:37 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 16:49:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the
	same time.
Message-ID: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>

Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter terminal and enter the following command.

uname -a

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix this. 

1. is this a common issue?

Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong' and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.

Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible. 

2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So I can have the correct time across my entire computer.

Thank you for your time.

Happy New Year ?

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From andrew at lunn.ch  Fri Jan  2 16:55:06 2015
From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:55:06 +0100
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20150102225506.GB25841@lunn.ch>

On Fri, Jan 02, 2015 at 04:49:37PM -0600, paul g wrote:
> Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter terminal and enter the following command.
> 
> uname -a
> 
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
> Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> Well obviously that is not the correct time or date.

Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 is when the kernel was built. It has
nothing to do with wall clock time.

> 2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock?
> <--So I can have the correct time across my entire computer.

man hwclock

    Andrew

From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 17:03:10 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:03:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <20150102225506.GB25841@lunn.ch>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <CAJt84+OqFBdOXV5bZwxFpUj2ich6ctrv02HC5uUPgmuVYR6fCg@mail.gmail.com>

I'd also add:

man date
man uname

to the list of suggestions.

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Andrew Lunn <andrew at lunn.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 02, 2015 at 04:49:37PM -0600, paul g wrote:
>> Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter terminal and enter the following command.
>>
>> uname -a
>>
>> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
>> Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>
>> Well obviously that is not the correct time or date.
>
> Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 is when the kernel was built. It has
> nothing to do with wall clock time.
>
>> 2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock?
>> <--So I can have the correct time across my entire computer.
>
> man hwclock
>
>     Andrew
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jan  2 17:25:26 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:25:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
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> On Jan 2, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:32 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 1. Would this issue that Ryan was having with SpamAssassin be a legit bug report situation? Ryan obviously figured out the problem without the need to file a bug report and therefore was able to install the software.
> 
> Yes, since it is an opportunity to improve the software.
>  
> 
> 2. Now, if this is a legit bug report situation and Ryan had needed or wanted to file a bug report what would be the 'correct' avenue to do so would he start with the SpamAssassin development team or Ubuntu or Debian upstream maintainers? 
> 
> Most likely Spam Assassin -- given that he was compiling, it is unlikely he was compiling from Ubuntu-provided source code. Most of the time you compile, you are doing so to get a newer version than what is provided by your distro (or want to change the defaults). Even if it was provided by Ubuntu/Debian, unless the error is due to a change made by Ubuntu/Debian, why would you report the issue to them?
>  

I was doing apt-get install spamassassin --reinstall  though, so you tell me? I?ll end up reporting the bug eventually, but I have no idea how to fix it, I just found a work-around.

> 
> This to me is a good question to learn on because it would help me in the future if I needed to file a bug report. Pointing to where best and most appropriate to 'ask the question/duplicate the situation' to the proper area. As far as bug reports are concerned.
> 
> Thanks for taking your time to respond. 
> 
> Happy New Year 
> 
> 
> 
> You report the bug to whomever created the bug, typically. 
> 
>  
> 
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 12:42:13 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com <mailto:chapinjeff at gmail.com>
> 
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
> 
> I'll correct myself here -- in my last email, I made the assumption that we were talking about bug reports that are properly filed with the correct project. I feel like that needed to be clarified based on Andrew's reply.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com <mailto:chapinjeff at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> That is kinda really actually interesting. So how long if you file a proper bug report would it perhaps take to get into the hands of the programmer
> 
> With most open source projects, the bug reports go straight to the interested devs.
> 
>  
> and then sent down the pike as patched as in a new package? 
> 
> Depends on how much the programmers care, and how many people it impacts, and how long it takes to code a fix. In some cases minutes, in some, the bugs linger around for years because no one cares enough to devote the time to fix it.
> 
>  
> I was reading that with Arch it can happen within a week. That's one thing about Debian as I have started to perhaps understand a little more is time it may take to get bugs fixed.
> 
> This is mostly due to the number of architectures Debian supports. The fixes don't always take a long time, compiling and testing the fixes on multiple architectures sometimes does.
>  
> I do understand that Spam Assassin is a program not a part of Debian or Ubuntu in any way.
> 
>  - Happy New Year
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
> 
> Unlikely.
> 
> On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before? 
> 
>  - Happy New Year
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 17:31:42 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:31:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <087521F4-5554-4817-8FC4-27D40C31FAF6@cwis.biz>
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Fair point -- I missed that part. I read the 'compiling' part and skimmed
over the rest.

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

>
> On Jan 2, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:32 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 1. Would this issue that Ryan was having with SpamAssassin be a legit bug
>> report situation? Ryan obviously figured out the problem without the need
>> to file a bug report and therefore was able to install the software.
>>
>
> Yes, since it is an opportunity to improve the software.
>
>
>>
>> 2. Now, if this is a legit bug report situation and Ryan had needed or
>> wanted to file a bug report what would be the 'correct' avenue to do so
>> would he start with the SpamAssassin development team or Ubuntu or Debian
>> upstream maintainers?
>>
>
> Most likely Spam Assassin -- given that he was compiling, it is unlikely
> he was compiling from Ubuntu-provided source code. Most of the time you
> compile, you are doing so to get a newer version than what is provided by
> your distro (or want to change the defaults). Even if it was provided by
> Ubuntu/Debian, unless the error is due to a change made by Ubuntu/Debian,
> why would you report the issue to them?
>
>
>
> I was doing *apt-get install spamassassin --reinstall  *though, so you
> tell me? I?ll end up reporting the bug eventually, but I have no idea how
> to fix it, I just found a work-around.
>
>
>> This to me is a good question to learn on because it would help me in the
>> future if I needed to file a bug report. Pointing to where best and most
>> appropriate to 'ask the question/duplicate the situation' to the proper
>> area. As far as bug reports are concerned.
>>
>> Thanks for taking your time to respond.
>>
>> Happy New Year [image: Emoji]
>>
>>
>>
> You report the bug to whomever created the bug, typically.
>
>
>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 12:42:13 -0600
>> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>>
>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
>>
>> I'll correct myself here -- in my last email, I made the assumption that
>> we were talking about bug reports that are properly filed with the correct
>> project. I feel like that needed to be clarified based on Andrew's reply.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is kinda really actually interesting. So how long if you file a
>> proper bug report would it perhaps take to get into the hands of the
>> programmer
>>
>>
>> With most open source projects, the bug reports go straight to the
>> interested devs.
>>
>>
>>
>> and then sent down the pike as patched as in a new package?
>>
>>
>> Depends on how much the programmers care, and how many people it impacts,
>> and how long it takes to code a fix. In some cases minutes, in some, the
>> bugs linger around for years because no one cares enough to devote the time
>> to fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was reading that with Arch it can happen within a week. That's one
>> thing about Debian as I have started to perhaps understand a little more is
>> time it may take to get bugs fixed.
>>
>>
>> This is mostly due to the number of architectures Debian supports. The
>> fixes don't always take a long time, compiling and testing the fixes on
>> multiple architectures sometimes does.
>>
>>
>> I do understand that Spam Assassin is a program not a part of Debian or
>> Ubuntu in any way.
>>
>> [image: Emoji] - Happy New Year
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
>> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0600
>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
>>
>> Unlikely.
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam
>> Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before?
>>
>> [image: Emoji] - Happy New Year
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
>> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Chapin
>> President, CedarLug, retired
>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>> President, UNI Scuba Club
>> Senator, NISG, retired
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Chapin
>> President, CedarLug, retired
>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>> President, UNI Scuba Club
>> Senator, NISG, retired
>>
>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
>> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 17:43:55 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:43:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?
In-Reply-To: <087521F4-5554-4817-8FC4-27D40C31FAF6@cwis.biz>
References: <5A0752C1-79B6-43C4-A192-2F4994003AA4@cwis.biz>,
 <CAKpMjPhQG8MNbj7JvFLW7mLALpD4jgiakkn=8L7JZMRaYnu6+Q@mail.gmail.com>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501021112270.5639@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 <BAY168-W9512BDA8E7B9D4271FF302995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <BED5CEB0-3F40-4BAE-8E8A-2389FFF21A73@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W122C24606D4E9E84D505B53995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+NjAOPZqyG4Z6_d58KSAc0zO69ozK3GcvQAJH5-wg+mqw@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAJt84+Mu0OaW3nSNN657_t2aYw_ERJv1GqSvgtEaDZHT6+g+Xg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W538281352BFE5511AF333A995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+P_FRWmn=xMDf_gajnQ9RY03zX3=Yu9V1gar0+vC3xY_w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <087521F4-5554-4817-8FC4-27D40C31FAF6@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W6308F43066199DCFB5948F995D0@phx.gbl>

All I have to say is Ryan knows some stuff seems like someone I wish was my friend.

Happy New Year - ?

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:25:26 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?


On Jan 2, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 2:32 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
1. Would this issue that Ryan was having with SpamAssassin be a legit bug report situation? Ryan obviously figured out the problem without the need to file a bug report and therefore was able to install the software.

Yes, since it is an opportunity to improve the software.
 
2. Now, if this is a legit bug report situation and Ryan had needed or wanted to file a bug report what would be the 'correct' avenue to do so would he start with the SpamAssassin development team or Ubuntu or Debian upstream maintainers? 

Most likely Spam Assassin -- given that he was compiling, it is unlikely he was compiling from Ubuntu-provided source code. Most of the time you compile, you are doing so to get a newer version than what is provided by your distro (or want to change the defaults). Even if it was provided by Ubuntu/Debian, unless the error is due to a change made by Ubuntu/Debian, why would you report the issue to them?
 
I was doing apt-get install spamassassin --reinstall  though, so you tell me? I?ll end up reporting the bug eventually, but I have no idea how to fix it, I just found a work-around.

This to me is a good question to learn on because it would help me in the future if I needed to file a bug report. Pointing to where best and most appropriate to 'ask the question/duplicate the situation' to the proper area. As far as bug reports are concerned.

Thanks for taking your time to respond. 

Happy New Year ?



You report the bug to whomever created the bug, typically. 

 
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 12:42:13 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?

I'll correct myself here -- in my last email, I made the assumption that we were talking about bug reports that are properly filed with the correct project. I feel like that needed to be clarified based on Andrew's reply.

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:


On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:33 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
That is kinda really actually interesting. So how long if you file a proper bug report would it perhaps take to get into the hands of the programmer
With most open source projects, the bug reports go straight to the interested devs.

 and then sent down the pike as patched as in a new package? 
Depends on how much the programmers care, and how many people it impacts, and how long it takes to code a fix. In some cases minutes, in some, the bugs linger around for years because no one cares enough to devote the time to fix it.

 I was reading that with Arch it can happen within a week. That's one thing about Debian as I have started to perhaps understand a little more is time it may take to get bugs fixed.
This is mostly due to the number of architectures Debian supports. The fixes don't always take a long time, compiling and testing the fixes on multiple architectures sometimes does.
 I do understand that Spam Assassin is a program not a part of Debian or Ubuntu in any way.

 - Happy New Year

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:28:38 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SpamAssassin compiling error - any ideas?

Unlikely.
On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:19 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
Does this mean that possibly no one has actually ever compiled Spam Assassin on Ubuntu 14.04.1 before? 

 - Happy New Year



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-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired

-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired
_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired_______________________________________________TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 17:55:11 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:55:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+OqFBdOXV5bZwxFpUj2ich6ctrv02HC5uUPgmuVYR6fCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <20150102225506.GB25841@lunn.ch>,
 <CAJt84+OqFBdOXV5bZwxFpUj2ich6ctrv02HC5uUPgmuVYR6fCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W127C916B7058B18ABBF86CE995D0@phx.gbl>

Thanks, because now that you pointed the following:

Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 is when the kernel was built. It has
> > nothing to do with wall clock time.

Pretty cool because there were 3 different dates and times showing and now I was able to get it back to just 2. I'll read up on 'man hwclock' 

In your opinion would there be a need to enter any 'sed' or 'awk' type commands to fix this issue I am having with clock differentiation?

Thank you for you time and help.

Happy New Year - ?

> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:03:10 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> 
> I'd also add:
> 
> man date
> man uname
> 
> to the list of suggestions.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Andrew Lunn <andrew at lunn.ch> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 02, 2015 at 04:49:37PM -0600, paul g wrote:
> >> Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter terminal and enter the following command.
> >>
> >> uname -a
> >>
> >> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
> >> Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> >>
> >> Well obviously that is not the correct time or date.
> >
> > Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 is when the kernel was built. It has
> > nothing to do with wall clock time.
> >
> >> 2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock?
> >> <--So I can have the correct time across my entire computer.
> >
> > man hwclock
> >
> >     Andrew
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 18:34:32 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 18:34:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Kernel polling does not work to mount CD/DVD in
	LinuxMint17-MATE.
Message-ID: <BAY168-W5B9F7C6D5A3D3DD4AE25F995A0@phx.gbl>

The '/etc/rc.local' script ---> appears as below on my computer now 'I have performed a soft reboot'.

!/bin/sh -e
#
# rc.local
#
# This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
# Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
# value on error.
#
# In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution
# bits.
#
# By default this script does nothing.
echo 2000 > /sys/module/block/parameters/events_dfl_poll_msecs
exit 0

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ cat /sys/module/block/parameters/events_dfl_poll_msecs
2000

0. So we know kernel polling is enabled. As above shown correct? ^

Worked 2 times after reboot then fell on it's face CD/DVD no longer mounts. With either eject or insertion of Media.

dpkg -l | less -->
 
ii  udisks                                      1.0.5-1                                             amd64        storage media interface
ii  udisks2                                     2.1.3-1                                             amd64        D-BUS service to access and manipulate storage devices

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ dmesg | grep "sr0"
[    2.762071] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
[    2.762166] sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0

1. Is it recommended to uninstall 'udisks' ? Thus allowing udisks2 to be the only installation 'installed' on the system.

2. Should kernel polling #'s from 2000 be raised or lowered perhaps?

3. This is a well known -SMALL to some- | -LARGE to others !BUG!

4. Some links are found below concerning 'THE' bug reports that have been previously filed with the Debian Maintainers.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725978  <--note post #50

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=713877

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753379

udevil is a possible workaround; though for a newbie like me it's scary. The 2 below concern udevil via post #40 on bug report #725978

http://ignorantguru.github.io/udevil/

http://igurublog.wordpress.com/downloads/script-devmon/

Thank you for your time.

paul g 
 		 	   		  
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jan  2 19:06:04 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
	the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>

Paul - Can you please make sure you make a brand new email in the future when you have a topic change? If you reply, change the subject and then send your emails get lost in other threads - like this one.

Thanks!


> On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter terminal and enter the following command.
> 
> uname -a
> 
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
> Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix this. 
> 
> 1. is this a common issue?
> 
> Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong' and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.
> 
> Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible. 
> 
> 2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So I can have the correct time across my entire computer.
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> 
> Happy New Year 
> 
> paul g
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 19:26:42 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:26:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>

Ryan I apologize, I understand your followup and appreciate your reply. Your really cool Ryan i'm sorry for not understanding the threads correctly.

Thank you for mentioning that - ?

Would you be able to assist me in the future?

paul g 
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.

Paul - Can you please make sure you make a brand new email in the future when you have a topic change? If you reply, change the subject and then send your emails get lost in other threads - like this one.
Thanks!

On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter terminal and enter the following command.

uname -a

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix this. 

1. is this a common issue?

Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong' and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.

Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible. 

2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So I can have the correct time across my entire computer.

Thank you for your time.

Happy New Year ?

paul g
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 19:47:49 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:47:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>

Would this mean anything as far as sed? I never thought a 'sed' command could effectively correct the situation I am having.

It probably is because Mint assumes the the BIOS 
clock is UTC. Then when you have a time zone configured on Mint, the 
time is adjusted to fit the timezone.

You need to edit the /etc/default/rcS file  and tell the OS directly that the BIOS clock is not UTC.

You can edit the file manually or just run:
Code: sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcSRyan are you still out there?



			


From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:26:42 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.




Ryan I apologize, I understand your followup and appreciate your reply. Your really cool Ryan i'm sorry for not understanding the threads correctly.

Thank you for mentioning that - ?

Would you be able to assist me in the future?

paul g 
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.

Paul - Can you please make sure you make a brand new email in the future when you have a topic change? If you reply, change the subject and then send your emails get lost in other threads - like this one.
Thanks!

On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter terminal and enter the following command.

uname -a

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix this. 

1. is this a common issue?

Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong' and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.

Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible. 

2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So I can have the correct time across my entire computer.

Thank you for your time.

Happy New Year ?

paul g
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From kellywilliams81 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 19:57:30 2015
From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com (Kelly Williams)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:57:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New Ubuntu 14.04 based OS for PowerPC with Mate!
In-Reply-To: <1420234573.2488.3@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W39DADAFD0AB9681D58C646995D0@phx.gbl>
 <1420234573.2488.3@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALkoPApXksrO_Da=sskFhYaetWvtVErstXb9bTM0yzF2EToW=A@mail.gmail.com>

I am using it now. I was using Mint 17 64bit but I was having some
performance issues. I have a Pentium Dual Core 6 gig of ram and Nvidia
9800GT Dual head graphics. When watching a video on Youtube everything will
got really slow. My Cpu would run 80 to 95 percent when on youtube. I know
thats because of flash. When I built this system I had ubuntu 10.04 with
classic gnome it ran great with that. Well on New Years I took off Mint 17
and put ubuntu 14.04 mate. Its like I have ubuntu 10.04.... So Marc your
right its a rock solid system..

Kelly

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Marc Thomas <mat at mthx.org> wrote:

> I haven't tried it myself (powerpc or not), but I've heard that Ubuntu
> MATE edition 14.04 is really rock solid.
>
> --
> Marc Thomas
> mthx.org | Github: mthxx | @mthx_
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads
>
> https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-trusty-powerpc/
>
> Caught my eye as I have yet to install 'attempt to try to install'
>
> Anyone tried the Trusty-Mate version out yet?
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Happy New Year [image: Emoji]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 20:02:39 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 20:02:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo - Harsh learning for a Noob
Message-ID: <BAY168-W451B8FE890BBB7B85156EE995A0@phx.gbl>

Ever since 'David Wagle' helped me with links and suck with my Brother printer configuration I have missed him.
He was explaining variable as far as 'user group world' I could not do the math correctly but I miss his help.

Also with 'Michel Moore' the constant help he gave me with Debian and links and then finally he said he was done.

People can influence lives and people that want to learn sometimes can. I spent over an hour last night reading about 'firewalls' all sorts of them and comparison to linux based computing based on other software. 

What it comes down to is I really appreciated the help I got here even though I am a slow reader probably not the most smart either.

Who cares about that; the fact is trying to help. I will have to tell you I think David Wagle in particular tried to help me but at the time I was in a rush to try and connect a 'brpcfax' applet within cups with proper perms'. 

People like that make a difference. No one can say if I spend some free time on Gentoo because of it it certainly will not be easy but it's something and someone was out there suggesting and giving me honest help evern though they are alot better with 'it' than me. 

That to me makes alot of difference.

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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 20:28:58 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 20:28:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
Message-ID: <BAY168-W11C31A37D286689C478A6F995A0@phx.gbl>

With a simple 'updatedb' command via command line in within terminal on a 10.04 ubuntu 2.6 system and then a locate -b firefox one can completely removed the old firefox 20.0 file by file. Once done preferably 'reboot' and upon entering the 'updatedb' command once again can be performed via terminal. Again allowing the 'root user' to see if any existing files can be seen via command --> 'locate -w firefox'. Repeat as necessary.

Simple solution to using an older kernel with a stable gnome 2 desktop although gpg keys may no longer be able to function this could save libraries around the world alot of money with low budget computing costs. Especially if you connect them all behind a solid Firewall.

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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 21:25:46 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:25:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Would this mean anything as far as sed? I never thought a 'sed' command
> could effectively correct the situation I am having.
>

Yes. It is being used to modify a config file.


>
> It probably is because Mint assumes the the BIOS clock is UTC. Then when
> you have a time zone configured on Mint, the time is adjusted to fit the
> timezone.
>
> You need to edit the /etc/default/rcS file and tell the OS directly that
> the BIOS clock is not UTC.
>
> You can edit the file manually or just run:
> Code: sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcSRyan are you still
> out there?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: pj.world at hotmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:26:42 -0600
>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Ryan I apologize, I understand your followup and appreciate your reply.
> Your really cool Ryan i'm sorry for not understanding the threads correctly.
>
> Thank you for mentioning that - [image: Emoji]
>
> Would you be able to assist me in the future?
>
> paul g
> ------------------------------
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Paul - Can you please make sure you make a brand new email in the future
> when you have a topic change? If you reply, change the subject and then
> send your emails get lost in other threads - like this one.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my
> new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the
> same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter
> terminal and enter the following command.
>
> uname -a
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
> Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00
> UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct
> time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate
> desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix
> this.
>
> 1. is this a common issue?
>
> Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans
> were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong'
> and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper
> weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and
> powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the
> onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on
> and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared
> the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.
>
> Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should
> have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was
> 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible.
>
> 2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So
> I can have the correct time across my entire computer.
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> Happy New Year [image: Emoji]
>
> paul g
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>


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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 21:27:50 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:27:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W11C31A37D286689C478A6F995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W11C31A37D286689C478A6F995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+Ng0_D5VJ7UgDjYDDbY7+TF6+5Dom+jRUpdCvtgUwQ3Rg@mail.gmail.com>

.... what?

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 8:28 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> With a simple 'updatedb' command via command line in within terminal on a
> 10.04 ubuntu 2.6 system and then a locate -b firefox one can completely
> removed the old firefox 20.0 file by file. Once done preferably 'reboot' and
> upon entering the 'updatedb' command once again can be performed via
> terminal. Again allowing the 'root user' to see if any existing files can be
> seen via command --> 'locate -w firefox'. Repeat as necessary.
>
> Simple solution to using an older kernel with a stable gnome 2 desktop
> although gpg keys may no longer be able to function this could save
> libraries around the world alot of money with low budget computing costs.
> Especially if you connect them all behind a solid Firewall.
>
> Thank you for reading.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 21:36:02 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:36:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+Ng0_D5VJ7UgDjYDDbY7+TF6+5Dom+jRUpdCvtgUwQ3Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W11C31A37D286689C478A6F995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+Ng0_D5VJ7UgDjYDDbY7+TF6+5Dom+jRUpdCvtgUwQ3Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W5828CB9BFC34AF9031F948995A0@phx.gbl>

Well it would be easy for older so called 'outdated desktop' computers to connect to the lan internat thus enable them to surf the web via the gateway via internet 'server' they could even have printers too that are not even built by HP! 

Thanks for reading! - ? - happy New Year.

> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:27:50 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
> 
> .... what?
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 8:28 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > With a simple 'updatedb' command via command line in within terminal on a
> > 10.04 ubuntu 2.6 system and then a locate -b firefox one can completely
> > removed the old firefox 20.0 file by file. Once done preferably 'reboot' and
> > upon entering the 'updatedb' command once again can be performed via
> > terminal. Again allowing the 'root user' to see if any existing files can be
> > seen via command --> 'locate -w firefox'. Repeat as necessary.
> >
> > Simple solution to using an older kernel with a stable gnome 2 desktop
> > although gpg keys may no longer be able to function this could save
> > libraries around the world alot of money with low budget computing costs.
> > Especially if you connect them all behind a solid Firewall.
> >
> > Thank you for reading.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 21:40:54 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:40:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W5828CB9BFC34AF9031F948995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W11C31A37D286689C478A6F995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+Ng0_D5VJ7UgDjYDDbY7+TF6+5Dom+jRUpdCvtgUwQ3Rg@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W5828CB9BFC34AF9031F948995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+PKrtwRUSXNGe0fGV7qqiTkkLxXcU=GjK6aaMjS0LZEOA@mail.gmail.com>

I guess I am not following what you are trying to say.

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Well it would be easy for older so called 'outdated desktop' computers to
> connect to the lan internat thus enable them to surf the web via the
> gateway via internet 'server' they could even have printers too that are
> not even built by HP!
>
> Thanks for reading! - [image: Emoji] - happy New Year.
>
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:27:50 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
>
> >
> > .... what?
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 8:28 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > With a simple 'updatedb' command via command line in within terminal
> on a
> > > 10.04 ubuntu 2.6 system and then a locate -b firefox one can completely
> > > removed the old firefox 20.0 file by file. Once done preferably
> 'reboot' and
> > > upon entering the 'updatedb' command once again can be performed via
> > > terminal. Again allowing the 'root user' to see if any existing files
> can be
> > > seen via command --> 'locate -w firefox'. Repeat as necessary.
> > >
> > > Simple solution to using an older kernel with a stable gnome 2 desktop
> > > although gpg keys may no longer be able to function this could save
> > > libraries around the world alot of money with low budget computing
> costs.
> > > Especially if you connect them all behind a solid Firewall.
> > >
> > > Thank you for reading.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>


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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 21:47:30 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:47:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>

Sed is obviously a very powerful command. With the inclusion of Sudo prior. would it matter a whole lot between Fedora and Debian if this command: --> sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS <-- was inputed. Obviously /etc/default/rcS is where I open the file from via NANO or VI. Then as a Noob rcS is apparently the place to install the on/off with utc via CMOS?

Thanks! for your time ?Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:25:46 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Would this mean anything as far as sed? I never thought a 'sed' command could effectively correct the situation I am having.

Yes. It is being used to modify a config file.
 
It probably is because Mint assumes the the BIOS 
clock is UTC. Then when you have a time zone configured on Mint, the 
time is adjusted to fit the timezone.

You need to edit the /etc/default/rcS file  and tell the OS directly that the BIOS clock is not UTC.

You can edit the file manually or just run:
Code: sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcSRyan are you still out there?



			


From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:26:42 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.




Ryan I apologize, I understand your followup and appreciate your reply. Your really cool Ryan i'm sorry for not understanding the threads correctly.

Thank you for mentioning that - ?

Would you be able to assist me in the future?

paul g 
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.

Paul - Can you please make sure you make a brand new email in the future when you have a topic change? If you reply, change the subject and then send your emails get lost in other threads - like this one.
Thanks!

On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter terminal and enter the following command.

uname -a

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix this. 

1. is this a common issue?

Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong' and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.

Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible. 

2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So I can have the correct time across my entire computer.

Thank you for your time.

Happy New Year ?

paul g
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 21:52:07 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:52:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Sed is obviously a very powerful command.
>

Yes


> With the inclusion of Sudo prior.
>

Yes


> would it matter a whole lot between Fedora and Debian if this command: --> sudo
> sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS <-- was inputed. Obviously
> /etc/default/rcS is where I open the file from via NANO or VI. Then as a
> Noob rcS is apparently the place to install the on/off with utc via CMOS?
>


I don't understand the question.



>
> Thanks! for your time [image: Emoji]
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:25:46 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Would this mean anything as far as sed? I never thought a 'sed' command
> could effectively correct the situation I am having.
>
>
> Yes. It is being used to modify a config file.
>
>
>
> It probably is because Mint assumes the the BIOS clock is UTC. Then when
> you have a time zone configured on Mint, the time is adjusted to fit the
> timezone.
>
> You need to edit the /etc/default/rcS file and tell the OS directly that
> the BIOS clock is not UTC.
>
> You can edit the file manually or just run:
> Code: sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcSRyan are you still
> out there?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: pj.world at hotmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:26:42 -0600
>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Ryan I apologize, I understand your followup and appreciate your reply.
> Your really cool Ryan i'm sorry for not understanding the threads correctly.
>
> Thank you for mentioning that - [image: Emoji]
>
> Would you be able to assist me in the future?
>
> paul g
> ------------------------------
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Paul - Can you please make sure you make a brand new email in the future
> when you have a topic change? If you reply, change the subject and then
> send your emails get lost in other threads - like this one.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my
> new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the
> same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter
> terminal and enter the following command.
>
> uname -a
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
> Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00
> UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct
> time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate
> desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix
> this.
>
> 1. is this a common issue?
>
> Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans
> were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong'
> and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper
> weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and
> powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the
> onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on
> and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared
> the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.
>
> Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should
> have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was
> 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible.
>
> 2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So
> I can have the correct time across my entire computer.
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> Happy New Year [image: Emoji]
>
> paul g
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 22:08:30 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 22:08:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>

Ok so your not understanding the question that's 'cool'. I'm slow but I care' 'ok.. so we know this much. Is there an /etc/default/rcS file on your Fedora computer? I was getting confused because of my typos and not understanding how to punctuate properly. I never really cared ' vs. " Can you help me? 

Thank you for your time. ?

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:52:07 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Sed is obviously a very powerful command. 
Yes
 With the inclusion of Sudo prior.
Yes
  would it matter a whole lot between Fedora and Debian if this command: --> sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS <-- was inputed. Obviously /etc/default/rcS is where I open the file from via NANO or VI. Then as a Noob rcS is apparently the place to install the on/off with utc via CMOS?


I don't understand the question.

 
Thanks! for your time Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:25:46 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Would this mean anything as far as sed? I never thought a 'sed' command could effectively correct the situation I am having.

Yes. It is being used to modify a config file.
 
It probably is because Mint assumes the the BIOS 
clock is UTC. Then when you have a time zone configured on Mint, the 
time is adjusted to fit the timezone.

You need to edit the /etc/default/rcS file  and tell the OS directly that the BIOS clock is not UTC.

You can edit the file manually or just run:
Code: sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcSRyan are you still out there?



			


From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:26:42 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.




Ryan I apologize, I understand your followup and appreciate your reply. Your really cool Ryan i'm sorry for not understanding the threads correctly.

Thank you for mentioning that - ?

Would you be able to assist me in the future?

paul g 
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.

Paul - Can you please make sure you make a brand new email in the future when you have a topic change? If you reply, change the subject and then send your emails get lost in other threads - like this one.
Thanks!

On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter terminal and enter the following command.

uname -a

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix this. 

1. is this a common issue?

Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong' and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.

Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible. 

2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So I can have the correct time across my entire computer.

Thank you for your time.

Happy New Year ?

paul g
_______________________________________________TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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_______________________________________________

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 22:11:42 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 22:11:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>, ,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>, ,
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>

The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.

My apologies. 

Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.

paul g


From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 22:08:30 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.




Ok so your not understanding the question that's 'cool'. I'm slow but I care' 'ok.. so we know this much. Is there an /etc/default/rcS file on your Fedora computer? I was getting confused because of my typos and not understanding how to punctuate properly. I never really cared ' vs. " Can you help me? 

Thank you for your time. ?

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:52:07 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Sed is obviously a very powerful command. 
Yes
 With the inclusion of Sudo prior.
Yes
  would it matter a whole lot between Fedora and Debian if this command: --> sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS <-- was inputed. Obviously /etc/default/rcS is where I open the file from via NANO or VI. Then as a Noob rcS is apparently the place to install the on/off with utc via CMOS?


I don't understand the question.

 
Thanks! for your time Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:25:46 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Would this mean anything as far as sed? I never thought a 'sed' command could effectively correct the situation I am having.

Yes. It is being used to modify a config file.
 
It probably is because Mint assumes the the BIOS 
clock is UTC. Then when you have a time zone configured on Mint, the 
time is adjusted to fit the timezone.

You need to edit the /etc/default/rcS file  and tell the OS directly that the BIOS clock is not UTC.

You can edit the file manually or just run:
Code: sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcSRyan are you still out there?



			


From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:26:42 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.




Ryan I apologize, I understand your followup and appreciate your reply. Your really cool Ryan i'm sorry for not understanding the threads correctly.

Thank you for mentioning that - ?

Would you be able to assist me in the future?

paul g 
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.

Paul - Can you please make sure you make a brand new email in the future when you have a topic change? If you reply, change the subject and then send your emails get lost in other threads - like this one.
Thanks!

On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter terminal and enter the following command.

uname -a

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix this. 

1. is this a common issue?

Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong' and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.

Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible. 

2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So I can have the correct time across my entire computer.

Thank you for your time.

Happy New Year ?

paul g
_______________________________________________TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 22:18:23 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 22:18:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
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On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ok so your not understanding the question that's 'cool'. I'm slow but I
> care' 'ok.. so we know this much. Is there an /etc/default/rcS file on your
> Fedora computer?
>

An equivalent file likely exists on Fedora.

I'm not sure where you found that sed command, but on Fedora, the
appropriate way to manipulate the hardware clock is with the hwclock
command.


> I was getting confused because of my typos and not understanding how to
> punctuate properly. I never really cared ' vs. " Can you help me?
>
> Thank you for your time. [image: Emoji]
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:52:07 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sed is obviously a very powerful command.
>
>
> Yes
>
>
> With the inclusion of Sudo prior.
>
>
> Yes
>
>
> would it matter a whole lot between Fedora and Debian if this command: --> sudo
> sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS <-- was inputed. Obviously
> /etc/default/rcS is where I open the file from via NANO or VI. Then as a
> Noob rcS is apparently the place to install the on/off with utc via CMOS?
>
>
>
> I don't understand the question.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks! for your time [image: Emoji]
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:25:46 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Would this mean anything as far as sed? I never thought a 'sed' command
> could effectively correct the situation I am having.
>
>
> Yes. It is being used to modify a config file.
>
>
>
> It probably is because Mint assumes the the BIOS clock is UTC. Then when
> you have a time zone configured on Mint, the time is adjusted to fit the
> timezone.
>
> You need to edit the /etc/default/rcS file and tell the OS directly that
> the BIOS clock is not UTC.
>
> You can edit the file manually or just run:
> Code: sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcSRyan are you still
> out there?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: pj.world at hotmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:26:42 -0600
>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Ryan I apologize, I understand your followup and appreciate your reply.
> Your really cool Ryan i'm sorry for not understanding the threads correctly.
>
> Thank you for mentioning that - [image: Emoji]
>
> Would you be able to assist me in the future?
>
> paul g
> ------------------------------
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Paul - Can you please make sure you make a brand new email in the future
> when you have a topic change? If you reply, change the subject and then
> send your emails get lost in other threads - like this one.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my
> new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the
> same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter
> terminal and enter the following command.
>
> uname -a
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
> Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00
> UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct
> time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate
> desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix
> this.
>
> 1. is this a common issue?
>
> Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans
> were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong'
> and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper
> weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and
> powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the
> onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on
> and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared
> the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.
>
> Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should
> have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was
> 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible.
>
> 2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So
> I can have the correct time across my entire computer.
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> Happy New Year [image: Emoji]
>
> paul g
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>
>
>
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> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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-- 
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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 22:59:13 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 22:59:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
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 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>,
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 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>,
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 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>,
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I guess at this point I will purchase a 'sed' book. Would you happen to have any recommendations? I apologize as I know in my heart that I challenge myself to help others.

Happy New Year ?

Thank you Jeff,

paul g

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 22:18:23 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Ok so your not understanding the question that's 'cool'. I'm slow but I care' 'ok.. so we know this much. Is there an /etc/default/rcS file on your Fedora computer?
An equivalent file likely exists on Fedora.

I'm not sure where you found that sed command, but on Fedora, the appropriate way to manipulate the hardware clock is with the hwclock command.
  I was getting confused because of my typos and not understanding how to punctuate properly. I never really cared ' vs. " Can you help me? 

Thank you for your time. 

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:52:07 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Sed is obviously a very powerful command. 
Yes
 With the inclusion of Sudo prior.
Yes
  would it matter a whole lot between Fedora and Debian if this command: --> sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS <-- was inputed. Obviously /etc/default/rcS is where I open the file from via NANO or VI. Then as a Noob rcS is apparently the place to install the on/off with utc via CMOS?


I don't understand the question.

 
Thanks! for your time Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:25:46 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Would this mean anything as far as sed? I never thought a 'sed' command could effectively correct the situation I am having.

Yes. It is being used to modify a config file.
 
It probably is because Mint assumes the the BIOS 
clock is UTC. Then when you have a time zone configured on Mint, the 
time is adjusted to fit the timezone.

You need to edit the /etc/default/rcS file  and tell the OS directly that the BIOS clock is not UTC.

You can edit the file manually or just run:
Code: sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcSRyan are you still out there?



			


From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:26:42 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.




Ryan I apologize, I understand your followup and appreciate your reply. Your really cool Ryan i'm sorry for not understanding the threads correctly.

Thank you for mentioning that - ?

Would you be able to assist me in the future?

paul g 
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.

Paul - Can you please make sure you make a brand new email in the future when you have a topic change? If you reply, change the subject and then send your emails get lost in other threads - like this one.
Thanks!

On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter terminal and enter the following command.

uname -a

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix this. 

1. is this a common issue?

Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong' and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.

Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible. 

2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So I can have the correct time across my entire computer.

Thank you for your time.

Happy New Year ?

paul g
_______________________________________________TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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_______________________________________________
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_______________________________________________

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-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:02:29 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:02:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W12171EBDCE0A7578980EC60995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+OP5_HL5sRYGZaCj9GoMFmOWG-952AavMwb_hELgQ4kjQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W12171EBDCE0A7578980EC60995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+PkoFDkCdNa5uQGA5s=tOrU0S0gmg+UmsjaVsv7C6kh0g@mail.gmail.com>

Please change the subject of the email when you change topics.

Jeff

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:59 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I guess at this point I will purchase a 'sed' book. Would you happen to
> have any recommendations? I apologize as I know in my heart that I
> challenge myself to help others.
>
> Happy New Year [image: Emoji]
>
> Thank you Jeff,
>
> paul g
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 22:18:23 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:08 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ok so your not understanding the question that's 'cool'. I'm slow but I
> care' 'ok.. so we know this much. Is there an /etc/default/rcS file on your
> Fedora computer?
>
>
> An equivalent file likely exists on Fedora.
>
> I'm not sure where you found that sed command, but on Fedora, the
> appropriate way to manipulate the hardware clock is with the hwclock
> command.
>
>
> I was getting confused because of my typos and not understanding how to
> punctuate properly. I never really cared ' vs. " Can you help me?
>
> Thank you for your time. [image: Emoji]
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:52:07 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sed is obviously a very powerful command.
>
>
> Yes
>
>
> With the inclusion of Sudo prior.
>
>
> Yes
>
>
> would it matter a whole lot between Fedora and Debian if this command: --> sudo
> sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS <-- was inputed. Obviously
> /etc/default/rcS is where I open the file from via NANO or VI. Then as a
> Noob rcS is apparently the place to install the on/off with utc via CMOS?
>
>
>
> I don't understand the question.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks! for your time [image: Emoji]
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:25:46 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:47 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Would this mean anything as far as sed? I never thought a 'sed' command
> could effectively correct the situation I am having.
>
>
> Yes. It is being used to modify a config file.
>
>
>
> It probably is because Mint assumes the the BIOS clock is UTC. Then when
> you have a time zone configured on Mint, the time is adjusted to fit the
> timezone.
>
> You need to edit the /etc/default/rcS file and tell the OS directly that
> the BIOS clock is not UTC.
>
> You can edit the file manually or just run:
> Code: sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcSRyan are you still
> out there?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: pj.world at hotmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:26:42 -0600
>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Ryan I apologize, I understand your followup and appreciate your reply.
> Your really cool Ryan i'm sorry for not understanding the threads correctly.
>
> Thank you for mentioning that - [image: Emoji]
>
> Would you be able to assist me in the future?
>
> paul g
> ------------------------------
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Paul - Can you please make sure you make a brand new email in the future
> when you have a topic change? If you reply, change the subject and then
> send your emails get lost in other threads - like this one.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2015, at 4:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since I replaced the on board system battery and reset the CMOS on my
> new/used Lenovo m57p Desktop computer. I have had a problem setting the
> same UTC time between CMOS/BIOS and Linux UTC clock. Now every time I enter
> terminal and enter the following command.
>
> uname -a
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ uname -a
> Linux desk/paul-Lenovo 3.13.0-24-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 23:30:00
> UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Well obviously that is not the correct time or date. Though the correct
> time and date is displayed on the Linux Mint 17 64bit edition with Mate
> desktop 'as the correct time. I heard there is a command using 'sed' to fix
> this.
>
> 1. is this a common issue?
>
> Initially after I installed the new Duracell 2032 battery the system fans
> were running at full speed; then finally I took note. 'Something is wrong'
> and then I proceeded to clear the CMOS. I seem to have misplaced the proper
> weblink but it involved only switching the cmos jumper over to pins 2-3 and
> powering on the machine and waiting for a series of beeps. Then moving the
> onboard CMOS jumper back to it's original position. Powering the machine on
> and then again setting the BIOS configuration values. <--That has cleared
> the fan issue and any bootime errors that had/were occuring.
>
> Prior of course to this is that I went through an issue which I should
> have noted immediately upon connecting the machine to even AC power was
> 'UPDATE THE BIOS FIRMWARE' if possible.
>
> 2. Can anyone help me configure my system clock to the Linux clock? <--So
> I can have the correct time across my entire computer.
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> Happy New Year [image: Emoji]
>
> paul g
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>
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> Jeff Chapin
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>
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> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:07:13 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:07:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
Message-ID: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>

I would like to purchase the best book about 'sed' that I can buy could anyone please recommend this?

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From skylineproject at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:16:50 2015
From: skylineproject at gmail.com (Brandon Johnson)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:16:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>

Hi Paul, 

Before you spend any money, I might recommend the WikiBook on the topic. WikiBooks are freely available resources on many topics. Here's a link to the Sed WikiBook:  http://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sed

In addition, I've found this resource to be useful in learning Sed: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html

It's not a book exactly, but it has helped me locate a number of useful examples that allowed me to better explore the tool.

If you're looking for something more, the O'Reilly Guide to Awk and Sed seems to be well-reviewed, and may available at a bookseller near you.

Best of luck, 

Brandon

> On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:07 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would like to purchase the best book about 'sed' that I can buy could anyone please recommend this?
> 
> Thank you 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:20:29 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:20:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
In-Reply-To: <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W9862500978BB54CB8A3604995A0@phx.gbl>

Thank you for you time Brandon.

From: skylineproject at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:16:50 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!

Hi Paul, 

Before you spend any money, I might recommend the WikiBook on the topic. WikiBooks are freely available resources on many topics. Here's a link to the Sed WikiBook:  http://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sed
In addition, I've found this resource to be useful in learning Sed: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html
It's not a book exactly, but it has helped me locate a number of useful examples that allowed me to better explore the tool.
If you're looking for something more, the O'Reilly Guide to Awk and Sed seems to be well-reviewed, and may available at a bookseller near you.
Best of luck, 
Brandon
On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:07 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:




I would like to purchase the best book about 'sed' that I can buy could anyone please recommend this?

Thank you 
 		 	   		  
_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

_______________________________________________
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:40:54 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:40:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W9862500978BB54CB8A3604995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W9862500978BB54CB8A3604995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W1272283BFE2F5855FB874D6995A0@phx.gbl>


That is harsh it will take me 2 years to figure that all out. Wow I love being a loser! 
From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:20:29 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!




Thank you for you time Brandon.

From: skylineproject at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:16:50 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!

Hi Paul, 

Before you spend any money, I might recommend the WikiBook on the topic. WikiBooks are freely available resources on many topics. Here's a link to the Sed WikiBook:  http://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sed
In addition, I've found this resource to be useful in learning Sed: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html
It's not a book exactly, but it has helped me locate a number of useful examples that allowed me to better explore the tool.
If you're looking for something more, the O'Reilly Guide to Awk and Sed seems to be well-reviewed, and may available at a bookseller near you.
Best of luck, 
Brandon
On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:07 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:




I would like to purchase the best book about 'sed' that I can buy could anyone please recommend this?

Thank you 
 		 	   		  
_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________
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From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com  Fri Jan  2 23:42:31 2015
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
	the same time.
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>

Paul,  

To set the system clock to the hardware clock  

hwclock --hctosys  

Other way around:  

hwclock --systohc  

You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:  

hwclock  

That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.? If it is
skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot
and update it.? If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to
replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.  

Hope that helps.  

?  
>  Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com> 
>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the
>same time.
>
>        
>      The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with
>the Linux clock'.
>
>My apologies. 
>
>Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.
>
>paul g
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:49:24 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:49:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W1272283BFE2F5855FB874D6995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>,
 , , <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>, ,
 <BAY168-W9862500978BB54CB8A3604995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W1272283BFE2F5855FB874D6995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W115F75704EDEC70616232CF995A0@phx.gbl>

sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS

I am not seeing at this point where the      -i     fits in anywhere with the short command. Thank goodness I did not run it yet. I can see how this can be fun and people can become mean. Every command with root can do something 1 false move and your 'taking it'. 

there is no -i within sed .

Happy New Year.



From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:40:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!





That is harsh it will take me 2 years to figure that all out. Wow I love being a loser! 
From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:20:29 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!




Thank you for you time Brandon.

From: skylineproject at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:16:50 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!

Hi Paul, 

Before you spend any money, I might recommend the WikiBook on the topic. WikiBooks are freely available resources on many topics. Here's a link to the Sed WikiBook:  http://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sed
In addition, I've found this resource to be useful in learning Sed: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html
It's not a book exactly, but it has helped me locate a number of useful examples that allowed me to better explore the tool.
If you're looking for something more, the O'Reilly Guide to Awk and Sed seems to be well-reviewed, and may available at a bookseller near you.
Best of luck, 
Brandon
On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:07 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:




I would like to purchase the best book about 'sed' that I can buy could anyone please recommend this?

Thank you 
 		 	   		  
_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________
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From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com  Fri Jan  2 23:49:26 2015
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 23:49:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
References: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>
 <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W9862500978BB54CB8A3604995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W1272283BFE2F5855FB874D6995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54A782E7-000852E0@penguinpackets.com>

Nah, sed is at fault Paul.? It is one of those, once you learn it, you will
be able to chain together some regex that would make most folks shake their
heads in disbelief  
>  Fri Jan 02 2015 11:40:54 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com> 
>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
>
>        
>      
>That is harsh it will take me 2 years to figure that all out. Wow I love
>being a loser! 
>  
>
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:51:16 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:51:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W20B9C97A6BFC2E83683E43995A0@phx.gbl>

Yep I see it now: -i extension :nice.

sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS

who knows. WaWa.

To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.



Paul,

To set the system clock to the hardware clock

hwclock --hctosys

Other way around:

hwclock --systohc

You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:

hwclock

That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.

Hope that helps.

 


Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.






The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.

My apologies. 

Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.

paul g











_______________________________________________
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From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:51:17 2015
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 23:51:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W5828CB9BFC34AF9031F948995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W11C31A37D286689C478A6F995A0@phx.gbl>,
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 <BAY168-W5828CB9BFC34AF9031F948995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54A78355.7080006@gmail.com>

On 1/2/2015 9:36 PM, paul g wrote:
> Well it would be easy for older so called 'outdated desktop' computers
> to connect to the lan internat thus enable them to surf the web via the
> gateway via internet 'server' they could even have printers too that are
> not even built by HP!

I can give you a Logitec DB9 (serial) 3 button wheel mouse if you think 
that might help.


From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:53:07 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:53:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W115F75704EDEC70616232CF995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>
 <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W9862500978BB54CB8A3604995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W1272283BFE2F5855FB874D6995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W115F75704EDEC70616232CF995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+MizVDvZKqAzQwz_R1LmsdV3JMt89jHrHCmHTWGXQGunw@mail.gmail.com>

man sed. -i is a standard sed option.

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS
>
> I am not seeing at this point where the      -i     fits in anywhere with
> the short command. Thank goodness I did not run it yet. I can see how this
> can be fun and people can become mean. Every command with root can do
> something 1 false move and your 'taking it'.
>
> there is no -i within sed .
>
> Happy New Year.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: pj.world at hotmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:40:54 -0600
>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
>
>
> That is harsh it will take me 2 years to figure that all out. Wow I love
> being a loser!
> ________________________________
> From: pj.world at hotmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:20:29 -0600
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
>
> Thank you for you time Brandon.
>
> ________________________________
> From: skylineproject at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:16:50 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Before you spend any money, I might recommend the WikiBook on the topic.
> WikiBooks are freely available resources on many topics. Here's a link to
> the Sed WikiBook:  http://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sed
>
> In addition, I've found this resource to be useful in learning Sed:
> http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html
>
> It's not a book exactly, but it has helped me locate a number of useful
> examples that allowed me to better explore the tool.
>
> If you're looking for something more, the O'Reilly Guide to Awk and Sed
> seems to be well-reviewed, and may available at a bookseller near you.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Brandon
>
> On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:07 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to purchase the best book about 'sed' that I can buy could
> anyone please recommend this?
>
> Thank you
>
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>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:58:00 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:58:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W108D837153DCAE39527E6EC995A0@phx.gbl>

sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS

the -i = 'an extension' <-- how is this separating ' s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS  'without using initramfs prior to boot etc?

To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.



Paul,

To set the system clock to the hardware clock

hwclock --hctosys

Other way around:

hwclock --systohc

You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:

hwclock

That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.

Hope that helps.

 


Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.






The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.

My apologies. 

Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.

paul g











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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:59:00 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:59:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W881DF2244E1EBD722C65BC995A0@phx.gbl>

sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS

the -i = 'an extension' <-- how is this separating ' s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS  'without using initramfs prior to boot etc?

thanks.

To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.



Paul,

To set the system clock to the hardware clock

hwclock --hctosys

Other way around:

hwclock --systohc

You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:

hwclock

That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.

Hope that helps.

 


Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.






The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.

My apologies. 

Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.

paul g











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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:00:46 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:00:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W108D837153DCAE39527E6EC995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>
 <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>
 <BAY168-W108D837153DCAE39527E6EC995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+M1zRxaktqtPcA3-7h0TP+M2By7Awv1nVSpEK3ZuPtMLQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:58 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS
>
> the -i = 'an extension' <-- how is this separating ' s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS
> 'without using initramfs prior to boot etc?
>

What are you talking about?


man sed:

     -i[SUFFIX], --in-place[=SUFFIX]

	      edit files in place (makes backup if extension supplied)

This has nothing to do with 'separating' anything, and why would
initramfs have anything to do with editing a config file with sed?

Please look into hwclock -- that is the correct way to manipulate the
hardware clock.

Jeff




> ------------------------------
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Paul,
> To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> hwclock --hctosys
> Other way around:
> hwclock --systohc
> You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:
> hwclock
> That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is
> skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot
> and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to
> replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same
> time.
>    The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with
> the Linux clock'.
>
> My apologies.
>
> Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.
>
> paul g
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>


-- 
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:09:16 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:09:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
In-Reply-To: <54A782E7-000852E0@penguinpackets.com>
References: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W9862500978BB54CB8A3604995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W1272283BFE2F5855FB874D6995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <54A782E7-000852E0@penguinpackets.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W913FAA9B0C0CD7E188E9D0995A0@phx.gbl>

I saw that -i on the link you provided finally that is really actually cool. Sed is not at fault ' I am at fault for not looking closely at what sed is able to do!

To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:49:26 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!



Nah, sed is at fault Paul.  It is one of those, once you learn it, you will be able to chain together some regex that would make most folks shake their heads in disbelief


Fri Jan 02 2015 11:40:54 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!







That is harsh it will take me 2 years to figure that all out. Wow I love being a loser! 

From: pj.world at hotmail.com










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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:10:49 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:10:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
In-Reply-To: <54A78355.7080006@gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W11C31A37D286689C478A6F995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <CAJt84+Ng0_D5VJ7UgDjYDDbY7+TF6+5Dom+jRUpdCvtgUwQ3Rg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W5828CB9BFC34AF9031F948995A0@phx.gbl>, <54A78355.7080006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W91ADC46D34AC253C8A8E44995A0@phx.gbl>

Ya, I would love to pickup that Logitec DB9 (serial) 3 button mouse from you whenever you have time sir.

> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:51:17 -0600
> From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
> 
> On 1/2/2015 9:36 PM, paul g wrote:
> > Well it would be easy for older so called 'outdated desktop' computers
> > to connect to the lan internat thus enable them to surf the web via the
> > gateway via internet 'server' they could even have printers too that are
> > not even built by HP!
> 
> I can give you a Logitec DB9 (serial) 3 button wheel mouse if you think 
> that might help.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:12:39 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:12:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W20B9C97A6BFC2E83683E43995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>, ,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>, ,
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>, ,
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>,
 <BAY168-W20B9C97A6BFC2E83683E43995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W91D7B56DDC3B22192D0BAA995A0@phx.gbl>

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
[sudo] password for paul: 
Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:11:14 AM CST  -0.953585 seconds
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

you are all awesome I just want to say thanks for even caring.

From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:51:16 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.




Yep I see it now: -i extension :nice.

sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS

who knows. WaWa.

To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.



Paul,

To set the system clock to the hardware clock

hwclock --hctosys

Other way around:

hwclock --systohc

You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:

hwclock

That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.

Hope that helps.

 


Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.






The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.

My apologies. 

Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.

paul g











_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:19:32 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:19:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W91ADC46D34AC253C8A8E44995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W11C31A37D286689C478A6F995A0@phx.gbl>,
 , , <CAJt84+Ng0_D5VJ7UgDjYDDbY7+TF6+5Dom+jRUpdCvtgUwQ3Rg@mail.gmail.com>, ,
 <BAY168-W5828CB9BFC34AF9031F948995A0@phx.gbl>, 
 <54A78355.7080006@gmail.com>,<BAY168-W91ADC46D34AC253C8A8E44995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W94B4AA2FBDF4ECE96BF97B995A0@phx.gbl>

Hey, your being funny that mouse is not so cool but your being mean because your smart! You must know some mice models what can I say. ? Thank you for not beating me up.

From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:10:49 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!




Ya, I would love to pickup that Logitec DB9 (serial) 3 button mouse from you whenever you have time sir.

> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:51:17 -0600
> From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
> 
> On 1/2/2015 9:36 PM, paul g wrote:
> > Well it would be easy for older so called 'outdated desktop' computers
> > to connect to the lan internat thus enable them to surf the web via the
> > gateway via internet 'server' they could even have printers too that are
> > not even built by HP!
> 
> I can give you a Logitec DB9 (serial) 3 button wheel mouse if you think 
> that might help.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  

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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:29:34 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:29:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W963729EFC6F1690B5D8C3A995A0@phx.gbl>

Helps alot! 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST  -0.078578 seconds
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST  -0.051555 seconds

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

obviously ^ fails with the --systohc extension.<--why? <--every time I go into bios and change the time via biox I get an incorrect time on desktop. I am going to be looking into this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I thank you for your time and your help.

? - paul g 


To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.



Paul,

To set the system clock to the hardware clock

hwclock --hctosys

Other way around:

hwclock --systohc

You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:

hwclock

That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.

Hope that helps.

 


Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.






The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.

My apologies. 

Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.

paul g











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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:32:49 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W963729EFC6F1690B5D8C3A995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>
 <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>
 <BAY168-W963729EFC6F1690B5D8C3A995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+PrbmS_KeVM73YxgjOTfJ7L5BOYjhggK-6DHwWxLxuWOg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Helps alot!
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST  -0.078578 seconds
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST  -0.051555 seconds
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
> obviously ^ fails with the --systohc extension.
>

What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.



> <--why? <--every time I go into bios and change the time via biox I get an
> incorrect time on desktop. I am going to be looking into this; i'm about 7
> hours off by the way. I thank you for your time and your help.
>
>
Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a timezone 7 hours off
from UTC. That's to be expected.




> [image: Emoji] - paul g
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Paul,
> To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> hwclock --hctosys
> Other way around:
> hwclock --systohc
> You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:
> hwclock
> That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is
> skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot
> and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to
> replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same
> time.
>    The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with
> the Linux clock'.
>
> My apologies.
>
> Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.
>
> paul g
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:39:44 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:39:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+PrbmS_KeVM73YxgjOTfJ7L5BOYjhggK-6DHwWxLxuWOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>,
 <BAY168-W963729EFC6F1690B5D8C3A995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+PrbmS_KeVM73YxgjOTfJ7L5BOYjhggK-6DHwWxLxuWOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W24BEE51F10EDD760CC3EC5995A0@phx.gbl>

The error I expected was an output via --> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc

once entered into the terminal as following: 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

was the entire output of the command. I guess if you put it that way though it would be like the good working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs. 3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just don't ask. 

I'm waiting for your help.

Thank you.

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Helps alot! 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST  -0.078578 seconds
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST  -0.051555 seconds

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

obviously ^ fails with the --systohc extension.
What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.

 <--why? <--every time I go into bios and change the time via biox I get an incorrect time on desktop. I am going to be looking into this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I thank you for your time and your help.


Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.


 ? - paul g 


To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.



Paul,

To set the system clock to the hardware clock

hwclock --hctosys

Other way around:

hwclock --systohc

You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:

hwclock

That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.

Hope that helps.

 


Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.






The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.

My apologies. 

Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.

paul g












_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:41:26 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W24BEE51F10EDD760CC3EC5995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>
 <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>
 <BAY168-W963729EFC6F1690B5D8C3A995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+PrbmS_KeVM73YxgjOTfJ7L5BOYjhggK-6DHwWxLxuWOg@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W24BEE51F10EDD760CC3EC5995A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+N5gTFF0L0-fPm1trU1ABJ0HPBf-MV5WuLkEk=qShXB=g@mail.gmail.com>

Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is one of them.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> The error I expected was an output via --> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo
> hwclock --systohc
>
> once entered into the terminal as following:
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
> was the entire output of the command. I guess if you put it that way
> though it would be like the good working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13
> machine vs. 3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just don't ask.
>
> I'm waiting for your help.
>
> Thank you.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Helps alot!
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST  -0.078578 seconds
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST  -0.051555 seconds
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
> obviously ^ fails with the --systohc extension.
>
>
> What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
>
>
>
> <--why? <--every time I go into bios and change the time via biox I get an
> incorrect time on desktop. I am going to be looking into this; i'm about 7
> hours off by the way. I thank you for your time and your help.
>
>
> Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a timezone 7 hours off
> from UTC. That's to be expected.
>
>
>
>
> [image: Emoji] - paul g
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Paul,
> To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> hwclock --hctosys
> Other way around:
> hwclock --systohc
> You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:
> hwclock
> That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is
> skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot
> and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to
> replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same
> time.
>    The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with
> the Linux clock'.
>
> My apologies.
>
> Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.
>
> paul g
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


-- 
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:44:38 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:44:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+N5gTFF0L0-fPm1trU1ABJ0HPBf-MV5WuLkEk=qShXB=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W107E3AE21B9D26F5D1EB876995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W391314B1BB79BABC1A2FEC995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>,
 <BAY168-W963729EFC6F1690B5D8C3A995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+PrbmS_KeVM73YxgjOTfJ7L5BOYjhggK-6DHwWxLxuWOg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W24BEE51F10EDD760CC3EC5995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+N5gTFF0L0-fPm1trU1ABJ0HPBf-MV5WuLkEk=qShXB=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W34818D4E5D945CF9152A20995A0@phx.gbl>

The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?

I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.

cool.

Am I right about this?


Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.

Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is one of them.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



The error I expected was an output via --> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc

once entered into the terminal as following: 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

was the entire output of the command. I guess if you put it that way though it would be like the good working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs. 3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just don't ask. 

I'm waiting for your help.

Thank you.

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Helps alot! 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST  -0.078578 seconds
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST  -0.051555 seconds

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

obviously ^ fails with the --systohc extension.
What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.

 <--why? <--every time I go into bios and change the time via biox I get an incorrect time on desktop. I am going to be looking into this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I thank you for your time and your help.


Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.


 ? - paul g 


To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.



Paul,

To set the system clock to the hardware clock

hwclock --hctosys

Other way around:

hwclock --systohc

You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:

hwclock

That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.

Hope that helps.

 


Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.






The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.

My apologies. 

Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.

paul g












_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:47:04 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W34818D4E5D945CF9152A20995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+O235uXnq0L_StRt-wk+p+WaEJnHGs0v6eKC9WH-NoV1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+OQUc9zsu0BJG52BVN1MrU=K91dXchJy6Y8itBqDJRb9A@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed at all.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios clock to the
> Software UTC clock without giving any output?
>
> I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
>
> cool.
>
> Am I right about this?
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is one of them.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The error I expected was an output via --> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo
> hwclock --systohc
>
> once entered into the terminal as following:
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
> was the entire output of the command. I guess if you put it that way
> though it would be like the good working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13
> machine vs. 3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just don't ask.
>
> I'm waiting for your help.
>
> Thank you.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Helps alot!
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST  -0.078578 seconds
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST  -0.051555 seconds
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
> obviously ^ fails with the --systohc extension.
>
>
> What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
>
>
>
> <--why? <--every time I go into bios and change the time via biox I get an
> incorrect time on desktop. I am going to be looking into this; i'm about 7
> hours off by the way. I thank you for your time and your help.
>
>
> Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a timezone 7 hours off
> from UTC. That's to be expected.
>
>
>
>
> [image: Emoji] - paul g
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Paul,
> To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> hwclock --hctosys
> Other way around:
> hwclock --systohc
> You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:
> hwclock
> That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is
> skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot
> and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to
> replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same
> time.
>    The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with
> the Linux clock'.
>
> My apologies.
>
> Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.
>
> paul g
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>
>
>
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> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
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> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:55:38 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:55:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
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Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the following command if you were trying to set a system clock to tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian? 

hwclock --hctosys

I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS 

it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about updates that could have locked the machine up at sometime/somepoint.

Give me your opinion if you have time please? ?

Thank you,

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.

Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed at all.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?

I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.

cool.

Am I right about this?


Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.

Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is one of them.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



The error I expected was an output via --> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc

once entered into the terminal as following: 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

was the entire output of the command. I guess if you put it that way though it would be like the good working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs. 3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just don't ask. 

I'm waiting for your help.

Thank you.

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Helps alot! 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST  -0.078578 seconds
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST  -0.051555 seconds

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

obviously ^ fails with the --systohc extension.
What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.

 <--why? <--every time I go into bios and change the time via biox I get an incorrect time on desktop. I am going to be looking into this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I thank you for your time and your help.


Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.


  - paul g 


To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.



Paul,

To set the system clock to the hardware clock

hwclock --hctosys

Other way around:

hwclock --systohc

You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:

hwclock

That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.

Hope that helps.

 


Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.






The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.

My apologies. 

Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.

paul g












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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
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Senator, NISG, retired


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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 01:29:19 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W5B17E436C94CE4782D5F0995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>
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On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the following
> command if you were trying to set a system clock to tie in with a software
> clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
>
> hwclock --hctosys
>
>
Why do you want another command?


> I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I were to
> have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS
>
> it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about updates that
> could have locked the machine up at sometime/somepoint.
>

I'm not sure why you think that.


>
> Give me your opinion if you have time please? [image: Emoji]
>

I don't understand the question.


>
> Thank you,
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed at all.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios clock to the
> Software UTC clock without giving any output?
>
> I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
>
> cool.
>
> Am I right about this?
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is one of them.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The error I expected was an output via --> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo
> hwclock --systohc
>
> once entered into the terminal as following:
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
> was the entire output of the command. I guess if you put it that way
> though it would be like the good working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13
> machine vs. 3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just don't ask.
>
> I'm waiting for your help.
>
> Thank you.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Helps alot!
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST  -0.078578 seconds
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST  -0.051555 seconds
>
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
> obviously ^ fails with the --systohc extension.
>
>
> What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
>
>
>
> <--why? <--every time I go into bios and change the time via biox I get an
> incorrect time on desktop. I am going to be looking into this; i'm about 7
> hours off by the way. I thank you for your time and your help.
>
>
> Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a timezone 7 hours off
> from UTC. That's to be expected.
>
>
>
>
> [image: Emoji] - paul g
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Paul,
> To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> hwclock --hctosys
> Other way around:
> hwclock --systohc
> You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:
> hwclock
> That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is
> skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot
> and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to
> replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same
> time.
>    The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with
> the Linux clock'.
>
> My apologies.
>
> Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.
>
> paul g
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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>
>
>
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> Jeff Chapin
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> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
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> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
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> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 01:40:24 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:40:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+OxmZ_mkuBhwfaYj+b1EsGusyASS3ZBtKwZghyUjzK6-g@mail.gmail.com>
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I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set the 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right to proper UTC time. 

Thanks.

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the following command if you were trying to set a system clock to tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian? 

hwclock --hctosys


Why do you want another command? 
 I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/ /etc/default/rcS 

it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about updates that could have locked the machine up at sometime/somepoint.

I'm not sure why you think that.
 
Give me your opinion if you have time please? ?

I don't understand the question.
 
Thank you,

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.

Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed at all.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?

I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.

cool.

Am I right about this?


Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.

Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is one of them.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



The error I expected was an output via --> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc

once entered into the terminal as following: 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

was the entire output of the command. I guess if you put it that way though it would be like the good working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs. 3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just don't ask. 

I'm waiting for your help.

Thank you.

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.



On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Helps alot! 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST  -0.078578 seconds
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST  -0.051555 seconds

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

obviously ^ fails with the --systohc extension.
What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.

 <--why? <--every time I go into bios and change the time via biox I get an incorrect time on desktop. I am going to be looking into this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I thank you for your time and your help.


Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.


 ? - paul g 


To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at	the same time.



Paul,

To set the system clock to the hardware clock

hwclock --hctosys

Other way around:

hwclock --systohc

You should be able to check the hardware clock by issuing:

hwclock

That will give you an idea of how far off the hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far enough, you will probably want to go in to the bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does not stick past power outages, you might want to replace the cmos battery on the motherboard.

Hope that helps.

 


Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.






The question is 'how can I set the hardware clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.

My apologies. 

Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb stuff' meant alot.

paul g












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President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Jan  3 01:44:58 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W25238120086D48F9143344995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
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 <54A78147-000852DC@penguinpackets.com>, 
 <BAY168-W963729EFC6F1690B5D8C3A995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+PrbmS_KeVM73YxgjOTfJ7L5BOYjhggK-6DHwWxLxuWOg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W24BEE51F10EDD760CC3EC5995A0@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030144330.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>

Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't 
this exactly what NTP is for?

On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:

> I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set the
> 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios
> time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right to
> proper UTC time.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
>       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
>       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
>
>       hwclock --hctosys
> 
> 
> Why do you want another command?
> ?
>       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
>       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
>       /etc/default/rcS
>
>       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
>       updates that could have locked the machine up at
>       sometime/somepoint.
> 
> 
> I'm not sure why you think that.
> ?
>
>       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> 
> 
> I don't understand the question.
> ?
>
>       Thank you,
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
>       to set at the same time.
>
>       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
>       at all.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
>       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
>
>       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
>
>       cool.
>
>       Am I right about this?
> 
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
>       refuse to set at the same time.
>
>       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
>       one of them.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>       The error I expected was an output via -->
>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
>
>       once entered into the terminal as following:
>
>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
>       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
>       put it that way though it would be like the good
>       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
>       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
>       don't ask.
>
>       I'm waiting for your help.
>
>       Thank you.
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
>       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> 
> 
>
>       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
>       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>             Helps alot!
>
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST?
>             -0.078578 seconds
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST?
>             -0.051555 seconds
>
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>             --systohc
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
>             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
>             extension.
> 
> 
> What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> 
> ?
>       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
>       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
>       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
>       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
>       thank you for your time and your help.
> 
> 
> Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> 
> 
> ?
>       Emoji - paul g
> 
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
>       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
>       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
>
>       Paul,
>       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
>       hwclock --hctosys
>       Other way around:
>       hwclock --systohc
>       You should be able to check the hardware clock
>       by issuing:
>       hwclock
>       That will give you an idea of how far off the
>       hardware clock is.? If it is skewed far
>       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
>       bios on a reboot and update it.? If it does
>       not stick past power outages, you might want
>       to replace the cmos battery on the
>       motherboard.
>       Hope that helps.
>       ?
>             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
>             from "paul g"
>             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
>             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
>             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
>             the same time.
> The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> 
> My apologies.
> 
> Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> stuff' meant alot.
> 
> paul g
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Jeff Chapin
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> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff Chapin
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> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> 
> 
> 
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> Jeff Chapin
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> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> Jeff Chapin
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> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 01:48:41 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:48:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030144330.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>, ,
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 <BAY168-W24BEE51F10EDD760CC3EC5995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
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 <BAY168-W34818D4E5D945CF9152A20995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <CAJt84+OXNuAYK81Xm2fCNm0PE=0D-Ma_Ge1h47zRVuX9P0Yo9g@mail.gmail.com>, ,
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W97D28EF089AF916587A02A995A0@phx.gbl>

NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me? ?

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600
From: tclug at freakzilla.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.

Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't 
this exactly what NTP is for?
 
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
 
> I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set the
> 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios
> time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right to
> proper UTC time.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
>       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
>       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
>
>       hwclock --hctosys
> 
> 
> Why do you want another command?
>  
>       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
>       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
>       /etc/default/rcS
>
>       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
>       updates that could have locked the machine up at
>       sometime/somepoint.
> 
> 
> I'm not sure why you think that.
>  
>
>       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> 
> 
> I don't understand the question.
>  
>
>       Thank you,
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
>       to set at the same time.
>
>       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
>       at all.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
>       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
>
>       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
>
>       cool.
>
>       Am I right about this?
> 
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
>       refuse to set at the same time.
>
>       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
>       one of them.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>       The error I expected was an output via -->
>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
>
>       once entered into the terminal as following:
>
>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
>       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
>       put it that way though it would be like the good
>       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
>       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
>       don't ask.
>
>       I'm waiting for your help.
>
>       Thank you.
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
>       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> 
> 
>
>       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
>       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>             Helps alot!
>
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST 
>             -0.078578 seconds
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST 
>             -0.051555 seconds
>
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>             --systohc
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
>             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
>             extension.
> 
> 
> What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> 
>  
>       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
>       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
>       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
>       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
>       thank you for your time and your help.
> 
> 
> Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> 
> 
>  
>       Emoji - paul g
> 
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
>       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
>       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
>
>       Paul,
>       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
>       hwclock --hctosys
>       Other way around:
>       hwclock --systohc
>       You should be able to check the hardware clock
>       by issuing:
>       hwclock
>       That will give you an idea of how far off the
>       hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far
>       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
>       bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does
>       not stick past power outages, you might want
>       to replace the cmos battery on the
>       motherboard.
>       Hope that helps.
>        
>             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
>             from "paul g"
>             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
>             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
>             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
>             the same time.
> The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> 
> My apologies.
> 
> Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> stuff' meant alot.
> 
> paul g
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG
> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>

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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 01:50:41 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:50:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030144330.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>
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Yes. It is.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 1:44 AM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't this
> exactly what NTP is for?
>
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
>
>> I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set
>> the
>> 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
>> 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios
>> time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right
>> to
>> proper UTC time.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________________
>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
>> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
>> the same time.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
>>       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
>>       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
>>
>>       hwclock --hctosys
>>
>>
>> Why do you want another command?
>>
>>       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
>>       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
>>       /etc/default/rcS
>>
>>       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
>>       updates that could have locked the machine up at
>>       sometime/somepoint.
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure why you think that.
>>
>>
>>       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
>>
>>
>> I don't understand the question.
>>
>>
>>       Thank you,
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________________
>>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
>>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
>>       to set at the same time.
>>
>>       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
>>       at all.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
>>       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
>>
>>       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
>>
>>       cool.
>>
>>       Am I right about this?
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________________
>>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
>>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
>>       refuse to set at the same time.
>>
>>       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
>>       one of them.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>       The error I expected was an output via -->
>>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
>>
>>       once entered into the terminal as following:
>>
>>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
>>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>>
>>       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
>>       put it that way though it would be like the good
>>       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
>>       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
>>       don't ask.
>>
>>       I'm waiting for your help.
>>
>>       Thank you.
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
>>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
>>       clock refuse to set at the same time.
>>
>>
>>
>>       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
>>       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>             Helps alot!
>>
>>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>>             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST
>>             -0.078578 seconds
>>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>>
>>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>>             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST
>>             -0.051555 seconds
>>
>>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>>             --systohc
>>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>>
>>             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
>>             extension.
>>
>>
>> What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
>>
>>
>>       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
>>       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
>>       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
>>       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
>>       thank you for your time and your help.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
>> timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
>>
>>
>>
>>       Emoji - paul g
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
>>       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
>>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
>>       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
>>
>>       Paul,
>>       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
>>       hwclock --hctosys
>>       Other way around:
>>       hwclock --systohc
>>       You should be able to check the hardware clock
>>       by issuing:
>>       hwclock
>>       That will give you an idea of how far off the
>>       hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far
>>       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
>>       bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does
>>       not stick past power outages, you might want
>>       to replace the cmos battery on the
>>       motherboard.
>>       Hope that helps.
>>
>>             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
>>             from "paul g"
>>             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
>>             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
>>             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
>>             the same time.
>> The question is 'how can I set the hardware
>> clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
>>
>> My apologies.
>>
>> Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
>> stuff' meant alot.
>>
>> paul g
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Chapin
>> President, CedarLug, retired
>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>> President, UNI Scuba Club
>> Senator, NISG, retired
>>
>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG
>> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Chapin
>> President, CedarLug, retired
>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>> President, UNI Scuba Club
>> Senator, NISG, retired
>>
>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
>> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Chapin
>> President, CedarLug, retired
>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>> President, UNI Scuba Club
>> Senator, NISG, retired
>>
>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
>> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Chapin
>> President, CedarLug, retired
>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>> President, UNI Scuba Club
>> Senator, NISG, retired
>>
>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
>> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
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>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired

From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 01:51:25 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:51:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W97D28EF089AF916587A02A995A0@phx.gbl>
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Paul, your kernel/distro does not really matter. NTP is the Network Time
Protocol. It's how computers sync clocks up.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 1:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me? [image:
> Emoji]
>
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't
> this exactly what NTP is for?
>
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
>
> > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set the
> > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios
> > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right to
> > proper UTC time.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > the same time.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
> >       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
> >       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
> >
> >       hwclock --hctosys
> >
> >
> > Why do you want another command?
> >
> >       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
> >       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
> >       /etc/default/rcS
> >
> >       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
> >       updates that could have locked the machine up at
> >       sometime/somepoint.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure why you think that.
> >
> >
> >       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> >
> >
> > I don't understand the question.
> >
> >
> >       Thank you,
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
> >       to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
> >       at all.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
> >       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
> >
> >       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
> >
> >       cool.
> >
> >       Am I right about this?
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
> >       refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
> >       one of them.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >       The error I expected was an output via -->
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> >
> >       once entered into the terminal as following:
> >
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
> >       put it that way though it would be like the good
> >       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
> >       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
> >       don't ask.
> >
> >       I'm waiting for your help.
> >
> >       Thank you.
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
> >       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >
> >
> >       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
> >       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >             Helps alot!
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST
> >             -0.078578 seconds
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST
> >             -0.051555 seconds
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             --systohc
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
> >             extension.
> >
> >
> > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> >
> >
> >       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
> >       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
> >       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
> >       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
> >       thank you for your time and your help.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> >
> >
> >
> >       Emoji - paul g
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> >       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
> >       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Paul,
> >       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> >       hwclock --hctosys
> >       Other way around:
> >       hwclock --systohc
> >       You should be able to check the hardware clock
> >       by issuing:
> >       hwclock
> >       That will give you an idea of how far off the
> >       hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far
> >       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
> >       bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does
> >       not stick past power outages, you might want
> >       to replace the cmos battery on the
> >       motherboard.
> >       Hope that helps.
> >
> >             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
> >             from "paul g"
> >             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> >             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
> >             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> >             the same time.
> > The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> >
> > My apologies.
> >
> > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> > stuff' meant alot.
> >
> > paul g
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG
> > Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> > List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Jan  3 01:54:32 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:54:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W97D28EF089AF916587A02A995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>, ,
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 <BAY168-W12992D657C14A625D0A795D995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
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 , <BAY168-W93E5BF97755DD57E41F0C995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030151280.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>

NTP, or Network time Protocol, is used to automatically syncronise time 
across various machines. It basically uses a semi-distributed model to get 
time from trusted sources. Your BIOS clock isn't an accurate timekeeping 
device, anyway, so why trust it.

# apt-get install ntp ntpdate

Will install init files to do it all for you.


On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:

> NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me?
> Emoji
> 
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
> 
> Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't 
> this exactly what NTP is for?
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set th
> e
> > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios
> > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right t
> o
> > proper UTC time.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > the same time.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
> >       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
> >       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
> >
> >       hwclock --hctosys
> > 
> > 
> > Why do you want another command?
> > ?
> >       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
> >       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
> >       /etc/default/rcS
> >
> >       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
> >       updates that could have locked the machine up at
> >       sometime/somepoint.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm not sure why you think that.
> > ?
> >
> >       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> > 
> > 
> > I don't understand the question.
> > ?
> >
> >       Thank you,
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
> >       to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
> >       at all.
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
> >       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
> >
> >       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
> >
> >       cool.
> >
> >       Am I right about this?
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
> >       refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
> >       one of them.
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >       The error I expected was an output via -->
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> >
> >       once entered into the terminal as following:
> >
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
> >       put it that way though it would be like the good
> >       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
> >       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
> >       don't ask.
> >
> >       I'm waiting for your help.
> >
> >       Thank you.
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
> >       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> > 
> > 
> >
> >       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
> >       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >             Helps alot!
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST?
> >             -0.078578 seconds
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST?
> >             -0.051555 seconds
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             --systohc
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
> >             extension.
> > 
> > 
> > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> > 
> > ?
> >       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
> >       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
> >       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
> >       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
> >       thank you for your time and your help.
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> > 
> > 
> > ?
> >       Emoji - paul g
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> >       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
> >       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Paul,
> >       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> >       hwclock --hctosys
> >       Other way around:
> >       hwclock --systohc
> >       You should be able to check the hardware clock
> >       by issuing:
> >       hwclock
> >       That will give you an idea of how far off the
> >       hardware clock is.? If it is skewed far
> >       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
> >       bios on a reboot and update it.? If it does
> >       not stick past power outages, you might want
> >       to replace the cmos battery on the
> >       motherboard.
> >       Hope that helps.
> >       ?
> >             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
> >             from "paul g"
> >             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> >             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
> >             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> >             the same time.
> > The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> > 
> > My apologies.
> > 
> > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> > stuff' meant alot.
> > 
> > paul g
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG
> > Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> > List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 01:58:18 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:58:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+NXuirgHNY1HjsW6On7Qkv15HfMHhbhn16kV=Ho3p_YoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>,
 <F71FB904-60C5-4130-A7CE-096DA07A8021@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W113EF5400BDEBC5446151EF995A0@phx.gbl>,
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Good point I ran into an issue with Mint/Maya I believe 2 years ago with the Nexuiz 'game' .. you might have the answers - again here Jeff. I', just wondering about your opinions. How can I test NTP cause it's no different via cable or dsl I know that for a for a fact.

Help me please ? thank you for your time.

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:51:25 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.

Paul, your kernel/distro does not really matter. NTP is the Network Time Protocol. It's how computers sync clocks up.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 1:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me? ?

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600
From: tclug at freakzilla.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.

Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't 
this exactly what NTP is for?
 
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
 
> I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set the
> 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios
> time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right to
> proper UTC time.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
>       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
>       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
>
>       hwclock --hctosys
> 
> 
> Why do you want another command?
>  
>       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
>       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
>       /etc/default/rcS
>
>       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
>       updates that could have locked the machine up at
>       sometime/somepoint.
> 
> 
> I'm not sure why you think that.
>  
>
>       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> 
> 
> I don't understand the question.
>  
>
>       Thank you,
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
>       to set at the same time.
>
>       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
>       at all.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
>       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
>
>       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
>
>       cool.
>
>       Am I right about this?
> 
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
>       refuse to set at the same time.
>
>       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
>       one of them.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>       The error I expected was an output via -->
>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
>
>       once entered into the terminal as following:
>
>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
>       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
>       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
>       put it that way though it would be like the good
>       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
>       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
>       don't ask.
>
>       I'm waiting for your help.
>
>       Thank you.
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
>       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
>       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> 
> 
>
>       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
>       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>             Helps alot!
>
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST 
>             -0.078578 seconds
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST 
>             -0.051555 seconds
>
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
>             --systohc
>             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
>
>             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
>             extension.
> 
> 
> What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> 
>  
>       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
>       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
>       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
>       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
>       thank you for your time and your help.
> 
> 
> Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> 
> 
>  
>       Emoji - paul g
> 
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
>       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
>       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
>
>       Paul,
>       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
>       hwclock --hctosys
>       Other way around:
>       hwclock --systohc
>       You should be able to check the hardware clock
>       by issuing:
>       hwclock
>       That will give you an idea of how far off the
>       hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far
>       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
>       bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does
>       not stick past power outages, you might want
>       to replace the cmos battery on the
>       motherboard.
>       Hope that helps.
>        
>             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
>             from "paul g"
>             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
>             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
>             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
>             the same time.
> The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> 
> My apologies.
> 
> Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> stuff' meant alot.
> 
> paul g
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
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> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Jan  3 02:02:46 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:02:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W8962647F179F5760E8B7A8995A0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030202030.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>

I told you exactly how to install it. Again:

# apt-get install ntp ntpdate

That will instal it and create init files for you. You probably won't even 
have to reboot.

On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:

> Good point I ran into an issue with Mint/Maya I believe 2 years ago with the
> Nexuiz 'game' .. you might have the answers - again here Jeff. I', just
> wondering about your opinions. How can I test NTP cause it's no different
> via cable or dsl I know that for a for a fact.
> 
> Help me please Emoji thank you for your time.
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:51:25 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
> 
> Paul, your kernel/distro does not really matter. NTP is the Network Time
> Protocol. It's how computers sync clocks up.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 1:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>       NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can
>       you help me? Emoji
>
>       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600
>       From: tclug at freakzilla.com
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
>       to set at the same time.
> 
> Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't 
> this exactly what NTP is for?
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set th
> e
> > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios
> > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right t
> o
> > proper UTC time.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > the same time.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
> >       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
> >       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
> >
> >       hwclock --hctosys
> > 
> > 
> > Why do you want another command?
> > ?
> >       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
> >       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
> >       /etc/default/rcS
> >
> >       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
> >       updates that could have locked the machine up at
> >       sometime/somepoint.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm not sure why you think that.
> > ?
> >
> >       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> > 
> > 
> > I don't understand the question.
> > ?
> >
> >       Thank you,
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
> >       to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
> >       at all.
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
> >       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
> >
> >       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
> >
> >       cool.
> >
> >       Am I right about this?
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
> >       refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
> >       one of them.
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >       The error I expected was an output via -->
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> >
> >       once entered into the terminal as following:
> >
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
> >       put it that way though it would be like the good
> >       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
> >       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
> >       don't ask.
> >
> >       I'm waiting for your help.
> >
> >       Thank you.
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
> >       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> > 
> > 
> >
> >       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
> >       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >             Helps alot!
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST?
> >             -0.078578 seconds
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST?
> >             -0.051555 seconds
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             --systohc
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
> >             extension.
> > 
> > 
> > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> > 
> > ?
> >       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
> >       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
> >       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
> >       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
> >       thank you for your time and your help.
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> > 
> > 
> > ?
> >       Emoji - paul g
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> >       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
> >       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Paul,
> >       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> >       hwclock --hctosys
> >       Other way around:
> >       hwclock --systohc
> >       You should be able to check the hardware clock
> >       by issuing:
> >       hwclock
> >       That will give you an idea of how far off the
> >       hardware clock is.? If it is skewed far
> >       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
> >       bios on a reboot and update it.? If it does
> >       not stick past power outages, you might want
> >       to replace the cmos battery on the
> >       motherboard.
> >       Hope that helps.
> >       ?
> >             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
> >             from "paul g"
> >             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> >             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
> >             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> >             the same time.
> > The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> > 
> > My apologies.
> > 
> > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> > stuff' meant alot.
> > 
> > paul g
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> > List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> >
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> 
> --
> Jeff Chapin
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> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 02:03:56 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:03:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030151280.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>
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Mint 17 just had an update last week with 'ntp'  'ntpdate' I can show you dpkg -- installed ?

dpkg -l | less 

ii  ntpdate                                     1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1                    amd64        client for setting system time from NTP servers

its installed. 
thank you your suggestions? ?


Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:54:32 -0600
From: tclug at freakzilla.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.

NTP, or Network time Protocol, is used to automatically syncronise time 
across various machines. It basically uses a semi-distributed model to get 
time from trusted sources. Your BIOS clock isn't an accurate timekeeping 
device, anyway, so why trust it.
 
# apt-get install ntp ntpdate
 
Will install init files to do it all for you.
 
 
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
 
> NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me?
> Emoji
> 
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
> 
> Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't 
> this exactly what NTP is for?
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set th
> e
> > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios
> > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right t
> o
> > proper UTC time.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > the same time.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
> >       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
> >       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
> >
> >       hwclock --hctosys
> > 
> > 
> > Why do you want another command?
> >  
> >       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
> >       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
> >       /etc/default/rcS
> >
> >       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
> >       updates that could have locked the machine up at
> >       sometime/somepoint.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm not sure why you think that.
> >  
> >
> >       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> > 
> > 
> > I don't understand the question.
> >  
> >
> >       Thank you,
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
> >       to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
> >       at all.
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
> >       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
> >
> >       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
> >
> >       cool.
> >
> >       Am I right about this?
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
> >       refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
> >       one of them.
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >       The error I expected was an output via -->
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> >
> >       once entered into the terminal as following:
> >
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
> >       put it that way though it would be like the good
> >       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
> >       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
> >       don't ask.
> >
> >       I'm waiting for your help.
> >
> >       Thank you.
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
> >       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> > 
> > 
> >
> >       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
> >       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >             Helps alot!
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST 
> >             -0.078578 seconds
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST 
> >             -0.051555 seconds
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             --systohc
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
> >             extension.
> > 
> > 
> > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> > 
> >  
> >       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
> >       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
> >       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
> >       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
> >       thank you for your time and your help.
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >       Emoji - paul g
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> __
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> >       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
> >       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Paul,
> >       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> >       hwclock --hctosys
> >       Other way around:
> >       hwclock --systohc
> >       You should be able to check the hardware clock
> >       by issuing:
> >       hwclock
> >       That will give you an idea of how far off the
> >       hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far
> >       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
> >       bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does
> >       not stick past power outages, you might want
> >       to replace the cmos battery on the
> >       motherboard.
> >       Hope that helps.
> >        
> >             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
> >             from "paul g"
> >             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> >             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
> >             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> >             the same time.
> > The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> > 
> > My apologies.
> > 
> > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> > stuff' meant alot.
> > 
> > paul g
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG
> > Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> > List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>

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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Jan  3 02:08:23 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:08:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W755FC313204873F8654876995A0@phx.gbl>
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"ntpdate" is a commandline tool.

"ntp" is actually the daemon that'll keep it synced. If you want to run 
ntpdate manually every now and again (or upon reboot) that's fine, too, 
but "ntp" is better for systems that are up most the time.

You have ntpdate installed (according to your output) but not ntp.

In fact, ntpdate might be adjusting your time after reboot, making it 
different (and more correct!) than your hardware BIOS clock.



Also:

# dpkg -l | grep ntp

will save you from searching through the list.



On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:

> Mint 17 just had an update last week with 'ntp'? 'ntpdate' I can show you
> dpkg -- installed ?
> 
> dpkg -l | less
> 
> ii? ntpdate????????????????????????????????????
> 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1??????????????????? amd64??????? client for
> setting system time from NTP servers
> 
> its installed.
> thank you your suggestions? Emoji
> 
> 
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:54:32 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
> 
> NTP, or Network time Protocol, is used to automatically syncronise time 
> across various machines. It basically uses a semi-distributed model to get 
> time from trusted sources. Your BIOS clock isn't an accurate timekeeping 
> device, anyway, so why trust it.
> 
> # apt-get install ntp ntpdate
> 
> Will install init files to do it all for you.
>
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me?
> > Emoji
> > 
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > the same time.
> > 
> > Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't 
> > this exactly what NTP is for?
> > 
> > On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> > 
> > > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set 
> th
> > e
> > > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> > > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bio
> s
> > > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right
>  t
> > o
> > > proper UTC time.
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set a
> t
> > > the same time.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
> > >       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
> > >       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
> > >
> > >       hwclock --hctosys
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Why do you want another command?
> > > ?
> > >       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
> > >       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
> > >       /etc/default/rcS
> > >
> > >       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
> > >       updates that could have locked the machine up at
> > >       sometime/somepoint.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure why you think that.
> > > ?
> > >
> > >       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't understand the question.
> > > ?
> > >
> > >       Thank you,
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
> > >       to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
> > >       at all.
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
> > >       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
> > >
> > >       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
> > >
> > >       cool.
> > >
> > >       Am I right about this?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
> > >       refuse to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
> > >       one of them.
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >       The error I expected was an output via -->
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> > >
> > >       once entered into the terminal as following:
> > >
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
> > >       put it that way though it would be like the good
> > >       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
> > >       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
> > >       don't ask.
> > >
> > >       I'm waiting for your help.
> > >
> > >       Thank you.
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
> > >       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > >       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
> > >       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >             Helps alot!
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST?
> > >             -0.078578 seconds
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST?
> > >             -0.051555 seconds
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             --systohc
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
> > >             extension.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> > > 
> > > ?
> > >       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
> > >       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
> > >       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
> > >       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
> > >       thank you for your time and your help.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> > > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ?
> > >       Emoji - paul g
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> > >       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
> > >       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Paul,
> > >       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> > >       hwclock --hctosys
> > >       Other way around:
> > >       hwclock --systohc
> > >       You should be able to check the hardware clock
> > >       by issuing:
> > >       hwclock
> > >       That will give you an idea of how far off the
> > >       hardware clock is.? If it is skewed far
> > >       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
> > >       bios on a reboot and update it.? If it does
> > >       not stick past power outages, you might want
> > >       to replace the cmos battery on the
> > >       motherboard.
> > >       Hope that helps.
> > >       ?
> > >             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
> > >             from "paul g"
> > >             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> > >             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
> > >             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > >             the same time.
> > > The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> > > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> > > 
> > > My apologies.
> > > 
> > > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> > > stuff' meant alot.
> > > 
> > > paul g
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
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> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG
> > > Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> > > 
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> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> > > List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > >
> > 
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 02:08:27 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:08:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
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On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 1:58 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Good point I ran into an issue with Mint/Maya I believe 2 years ago with
> the Nexuiz 'game' .. you might have the answers - again here Jeff. I', just
> wondering about your opinions. How can I test NTP cause it's no different
> via cable or dsl I know that for a for a fact.
>

I honestly do not understand what you think you are saying.



>
> Help me please [image: Emoji] thank you for your time.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:51:25 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Paul, your kernel/distro does not really matter. NTP is the Network Time
> Protocol. It's how computers sync clocks up.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 1:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me? [image:
> Emoji]
>
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't
> this exactly what NTP is for?
>
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
>
> > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set the
> > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios
> > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right to
> > proper UTC time.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > the same time.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
> >       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
> >       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
> >
> >       hwclock --hctosys
> >
> >
> > Why do you want another command?
> >
> >       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
> >       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
> >       /etc/default/rcS
> >
> >       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
> >       updates that could have locked the machine up at
> >       sometime/somepoint.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure why you think that.
> >
> >
> >       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> >
> >
> > I don't understand the question.
> >
> >
> >       Thank you,
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
> >       to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
> >       at all.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
> >       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
> >
> >       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
> >
> >       cool.
> >
> >       Am I right about this?
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
> >       refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
> >       one of them.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >       The error I expected was an output via -->
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> >
> >       once entered into the terminal as following:
> >
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
> >       put it that way though it would be like the good
> >       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
> >       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
> >       don't ask.
> >
> >       I'm waiting for your help.
> >
> >       Thank you.
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
> >       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >
> >
> >       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
> >       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >             Helps alot!
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST
> >             -0.078578 seconds
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST
> >             -0.051555 seconds
> >
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> >             --systohc
> >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> >
> >             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
> >             extension.
> >
> >
> > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> >
> >
> >       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
> >       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
> >       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
> >       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
> >       thank you for your time and your help.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> >
> >
> >
> >       Emoji - paul g
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________
> >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> >       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
> >       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> >
> >       Paul,
> >       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> >       hwclock --hctosys
> >       Other way around:
> >       hwclock --systohc
> >       You should be able to check the hardware clock
> >       by issuing:
> >       hwclock
> >       That will give you an idea of how far off the
> >       hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far
> >       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
> >       bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does
> >       not stick past power outages, you might want
> >       to replace the cmos battery on the
> >       motherboard.
> >       Hope that helps.
> >
> >             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
> >             from "paul g"
> >             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> >             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
> >             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> >             the same time.
> > The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> >
> > My apologies.
> >
> > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> > stuff' meant alot.
> >
> > paul g
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
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> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> > List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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> >
> >
>
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>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
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-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 02:09:10 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:09:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
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Paul G,

He suggested installing both ntp and ntpdate.

Jeff

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 2:03 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Mint 17 just had an update last week with 'ntp'  'ntpdate' I can show you
> dpkg -- installed ?
>
> dpkg -l | less
>
> ii  ntpdate
> 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1                    amd64        client for
> setting system time from NTP servers
>
> its installed.
> thank you your suggestions? [image: Emoji]
>
>
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:54:32 -0600
>
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
>
> NTP, or Network time Protocol, is used to automatically syncronise time
> across various machines. It basically uses a semi-distributed model to get
> time from trusted sources. Your BIOS clock isn't an accurate timekeeping
> device, anyway, so why trust it.
>
> # apt-get install ntp ntpdate
>
> Will install init files to do it all for you.
>
>
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
>
> > NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me?
> > Emoji
> >
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > the same time.
> >
> > Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't
> > this exactly what NTP is for?
> >
> > On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> >
> > > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set th
> > e
> > > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> > > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bios
> > > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right t
> > o
> > > proper UTC time.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________________________________
> > __
> > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > > the same time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
> > >       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
> > >       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
> > >
> > >       hwclock --hctosys
> > >
> > >
> > > Why do you want another command?
> > >
> > >       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
> > >       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
> > >       /etc/default/rcS
> > >
> > >       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
> > >       updates that could have locked the machine up at
> > >       sometime/somepoint.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure why you think that.
> > >
> > >
> > >       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't understand the question.
> > >
> > >
> > >       Thank you,
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________________________________
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
> > >       to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
> > >       at all.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
> > >       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
> > >
> > >       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
> > >
> > >       cool.
> > >
> > >       Am I right about this?
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________________________________
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
> > >       refuse to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
> > >       one of them.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >       The error I expected was an output via -->
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> > >
> > >       once entered into the terminal as following:
> > >
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
> > >       put it that way though it would be like the good
> > >       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
> > >       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
> > >       don't ask.
> > >
> > >       I'm waiting for your help.
> > >
> > >       Thank you.
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________________________________
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
> > >       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
> > >       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >             Helps alot!
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST
> > >             -0.078578 seconds
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST
> > >             -0.051555 seconds
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             --systohc
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
> > >             extension.
> > >
> > >
> > > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> > >
> > >
> > >       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
> > >       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
> > >       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
> > >       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
> > >       thank you for your time and your help.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> > > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       Emoji - paul g
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________________________________
> > __
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> > >       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
> > >       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Paul,
> > >       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> > >       hwclock --hctosys
> > >       Other way around:
> > >       hwclock --systohc
> > >       You should be able to check the hardware clock
> > >       by issuing:
> > >       hwclock
> > >       That will give you an idea of how far off the
> > >       hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far
> > >       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
> > >       bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does
> > >       not stick past power outages, you might want
> > >       to replace the cmos battery on the
> > >       motherboard.
> > >       Hope that helps.
> > >
> > >             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
> > >             from "paul g"
> > >             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> > >             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
> > >             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > >             the same time.
> > > The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> > > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> > >
> > > My apologies.
> > >
> > > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> > > stuff' meant alot.
> > >
> > > paul g
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > >
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> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> > > List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
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> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
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> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> >
> >
>
>
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-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 02:12:11 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:12:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030205540.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>
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paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo dpkg -l | grep ntp
[sudo] password for paul: 
ii  ntpdate                                     1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1                    amd64        client for setting system time from NTP servers
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 


You think I should install ntp as well?

Thank you for your help.?

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:08:23 -0600
From: tclug at freakzilla.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.

"ntpdate" is a commandline tool.
 
"ntp" is actually the daemon that'll keep it synced. If you want to run 
ntpdate manually every now and again (or upon reboot) that's fine, too, 
but "ntp" is better for systems that are up most the time.
 
You have ntpdate installed (according to your output) but not ntp.
 
In fact, ntpdate might be adjusting your time after reboot, making it 
different (and more correct!) than your hardware BIOS clock.
 
 
 
Also:
 
# dpkg -l | grep ntp
 
will save you from searching through the list.
 
 
 
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
 
> Mint 17 just had an update last week with 'ntp'  'ntpdate' I can show you
> dpkg -- installed ?
> 
> dpkg -l | less
> 
> ii  ntpdate                                    
> 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1                    amd64        client for
> setting system time from NTP servers
> 
> its installed.
> thank you your suggestions? Emoji
> 
> 
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:54:32 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
> 
> NTP, or Network time Protocol, is used to automatically syncronise time 
> across various machines. It basically uses a semi-distributed model to get 
> time from trusted sources. Your BIOS clock isn't an accurate timekeeping 
> device, anyway, so why trust it.
> 
> # apt-get install ntp ntpdate
> 
> Will install init files to do it all for you.
>
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me?
> > Emoji
> > 
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > the same time.
> > 
> > Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't 
> > this exactly what NTP is for?
> > 
> > On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> > 
> > > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set 
> th
> > e
> > > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> > > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bio
> s
> > > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right
>  t
> > o
> > > proper UTC time.
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set a
> t
> > > the same time.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
> > >       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
> > >       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
> > >
> > >       hwclock --hctosys
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Why do you want another command?
> > >  
> > >       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
> > >       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
> > >       /etc/default/rcS
> > >
> > >       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
> > >       updates that could have locked the machine up at
> > >       sometime/somepoint.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure why you think that.
> > >  
> > >
> > >       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't understand the question.
> > >  
> > >
> > >       Thank you,
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
> > >       to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
> > >       at all.
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
> > >       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
> > >
> > >       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
> > >
> > >       cool.
> > >
> > >       Am I right about this?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
> > >       refuse to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
> > >       one of them.
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >       The error I expected was an output via -->
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> > >
> > >       once entered into the terminal as following:
> > >
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
> > >       put it that way though it would be like the good
> > >       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
> > >       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
> > >       don't ask.
> > >
> > >       I'm waiting for your help.
> > >
> > >       Thank you.
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
> > >       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > >       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
> > >       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >             Helps alot!
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST 
> > >             -0.078578 seconds
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST 
> > >             -0.051555 seconds
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             --systohc
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
> > >             extension.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> > > 
> > >  
> > >       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
> > >       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
> > >       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
> > >       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
> > >       thank you for your time and your help.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> > > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > >       Emoji - paul g
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> > >       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
> > >       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Paul,
> > >       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> > >       hwclock --hctosys
> > >       Other way around:
> > >       hwclock --systohc
> > >       You should be able to check the hardware clock
> > >       by issuing:
> > >       hwclock
> > >       That will give you an idea of how far off the
> > >       hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far
> > >       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
> > >       bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does
> > >       not stick past power outages, you might want
> > >       to replace the cmos battery on the
> > >       motherboard.
> > >       Hope that helps.
> > >        
> > >             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
> > >             from "paul g"
> > >             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> > >             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
> > >             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > >             the same time.
> > > The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> > > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> > > 
> > > My apologies.
> > > 
> > > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> > > stuff' meant alot.
> > > 
> > > paul g
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:17:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
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On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:


> You think I should install ntp as well?

No. I only said you should do that TWICE for fun YES I THINK YOU SHOULD 
INSTALL IT.


I also think ntpdate is setting your clock at startup, and that's what's 
making your system clock out of sync with the BIOS clock.


From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 02:18:41 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:18:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W53C42A2E5C4C89B9099354995A0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W66A800ED20AB46DC540385995A0@phx.gbl>

Ok just installed package 'ntb' going down for reboot confirmed on apt --- 

ii  ntp                                         1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1                    amd64        Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs
ii  ntpdate                                     1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1                    amd64        client for setting system time from NTP servers

thank you, See yas in a minute' I hope. ?

From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:12:11 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.




paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo dpkg -l | grep ntp
[sudo] password for paul: 
ii  ntpdate                                     1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1                    amd64        client for setting system time from NTP servers
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 


You think I should install ntp as well?

Thank you for your help.

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:08:23 -0600
From: tclug at freakzilla.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.

"ntpdate" is a commandline tool.
 
"ntp" is actually the daemon that'll keep it synced. If you want to run 
ntpdate manually every now and again (or upon reboot) that's fine, too, 
but "ntp" is better for systems that are up most the time.
 
You have ntpdate installed (according to your output) but not ntp.
 
In fact, ntpdate might be adjusting your time after reboot, making it 
different (and more correct!) than your hardware BIOS clock.
 
 
 
Also:
 
# dpkg -l | grep ntp
 
will save you from searching through the list.
 
 
 
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
 
> Mint 17 just had an update last week with 'ntp'  'ntpdate' I can show you
> dpkg -- installed ?
> 
> dpkg -l | less
> 
> ii  ntpdate                                    
> 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3ubuntu2.14.04.1                    amd64        client for
> setting system time from NTP servers
> 
> its installed.
> thank you your suggestions? Emoji
> 
> 
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:54:32 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
> 
> NTP, or Network time Protocol, is used to automatically syncronise time 
> across various machines. It basically uses a semi-distributed model to get 
> time from trusted sources. Your BIOS clock isn't an accurate timekeeping 
> device, anyway, so why trust it.
> 
> # apt-get install ntp ntpdate
> 
> Will install init files to do it all for you.
>
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > NTP? excuse me.. this is kernel 3.13 linux-Minty-Mate.... can you help me?
> > Emoji
> > 
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:44:58 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > the same time.
> > 
> > Now I haven't read any of the other messages in this thread, but isn't 
> > this exactly what NTP is for?
> > 
> > On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> > 
> > > I just performed a soft reboot on the machine. Entered the bios and set 
> th
> > e
> > > 24 hour clock to proper 'correct time' and once again upon, logging in
> > > 'time' was displayed differently/inproperly. The concern here is if 'Bio
> s
> > > time is off' <--machine clock' . No entity should have or have the right
>  t
> > o
> > > proper UTC time.
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:29:19 -0600
> > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set a
> t
> > > the same time.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >       Well would you be able to recommend a command besides the
> > >       following command if you were trying to set a system clock to
> > >       tie in with a software clock on a 3.13etc kernel under Debian?
> > >
> > >       hwclock --hctosys
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Why do you want another command?
> > >  
> > >       I think the above could have saved me alot of pain because if I
> > >       were to have to have done = sudo sed -i s/UTC=yes/UTC=no/
> > >       /etc/default/rcS
> > >
> > >       it would have been stuck in /etc/default/rcS and what about
> > >       updates that could have locked the machine up at
> > >       sometime/somepoint.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure why you think that.
> > >  
> > >
> > >       Give me your opinion if you have time please? Emoji
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't understand the question.
> > >  
> > >
> > >       Thank you,
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:47:04 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse
> > >       to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Yes. If you use the hwclock command you do not need to use sed
> > >       at all.
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >       The command: --> sudo hwclock --systohc <--sets the Bios
> > >       clock to the Software UTC clock without giving any output?
> > >
> > >       I did not even need to use 'sed' yet.
> > >
> > >       cool.
> > >
> > >       Am I right about this?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:41:26 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock
> > >       refuse to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Many commands in Linux will only output errors. This is
> > >       one of them.
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >       The error I expected was an output via -->
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> > >
> > >       once entered into the terminal as following:
> > >
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock --systohc
> > >       paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >       was the entire output of the command. I guess if you
> > >       put it that way though it would be like the good
> > >       working 'apt-key list' command on a 3.13 machine vs.
> > >       3.2 <--why did I bring that up again don't ask just
> > >       don't ask.
> > >
> > >       I'm waiting for your help.
> > >
> > >       Thank you.
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 00:32:49 -0600
> > >       From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC
> > >       clock refuse to set at the same time.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > >       On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 12:29 AM, paul g
> > >       <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >             Helps alot!
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:22:06 AM CST 
> > >             -0.078578 seconds
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             Sat 03 Jan 2015 12:23:02 AM CST 
> > >             -0.051555 seconds
> > >
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ sudo hwclock
> > >             --systohc
> > >             paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $
> > >
> > >             obviously ^ fails with the --systohc
> > >             extension.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What do you mean it obviously fails? I see no error.
> > > 
> > >  
> > >       <--why? <--every time I go into bios and
> > >       change the time via biox I get an incorrect
> > >       time on desktop. I am going to be looking into
> > >       this; i'm about 7 hours off by the way. I
> > >       thank you for your time and your help.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yeah, your hwclock is set to UTC and you live in a
> > > timezone 7 hours off from UTC. That's to be expected.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > >       Emoji - paul g
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> __
> > __
> > >       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >       Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:42:31 -0600
> > >       From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
> > >       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux
> > >       UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> > >
> > >       Paul,
> > >       To set the system clock to the hardware clock
> > >       hwclock --hctosys
> > >       Other way around:
> > >       hwclock --systohc
> > >       You should be able to check the hardware clock
> > >       by issuing:
> > >       hwclock
> > >       That will give you an idea of how far off the
> > >       hardware clock is.  If it is skewed far
> > >       enough, you will probably want to go in to the
> > >       bios on a reboot and update it.  If it does
> > >       not stick past power outages, you might want
> > >       to replace the cmos battery on the
> > >       motherboard.
> > >       Hope that helps.
> > >        
> > >             Fri Jan 02 2015 10:11:42 PM CST
> > >             from "paul g"
> > >             <pj.world at hotmail.com> Subject:
> > >             Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and
> > >             Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > >             the same time.
> > > The question is 'how can I set the hardware
> > > clock to coorolate with the Linux clock'.
> > > 
> > > My apologies.
> > > 
> > > Happy New year and thank you with the updatedb
> > > stuff' meant alot.
> > > 
> > > paul g
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
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> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> > > List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
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> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>

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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 02:19:53 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:19:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030215170.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W4802B65C429A624DC4CEB7995A0@phx.gbl>

Upon this reboot can I ugh set my 24 hour bios clock again or what are my next steps? 

thank you for helping me. ?

> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:17:14 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> 
> > You think I should install ntp as well?
> 
> No. I only said you should do that TWICE for fun YES I THINK YOU SHOULD 
> INSTALL IT.
> 
> 
> I also think ntpdate is setting your clock at startup, and that's what's 
> making your system clock out of sync with the BIOS clock.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Jan  3 02:22:15 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:22:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W4802B65C429A624DC4CEB7995A0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030220590.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:

> Upon this reboot can I ugh set my 24 hour bios clock again or what are my
> next steps?

You no longer care about your BIOS clock. Ignore it. Your system's time is 
now syncronised to an atomic clock in Colorado.

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 02:26:43 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:26:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030220590.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <BAY168-W90E7718440D6D51BA07205995D0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W112F28214E7634ABB04E90995A0@phx.gbl>

Oh now I am just thrilled but at least I got to go hiking today! Ugh time for a smoke outside and a Tomato juice. This is brutal but necessary.

Thank you for your help. ?

paul g 

> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:22:15 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > Upon this reboot can I ugh set my 24 hour bios clock again or what are my
> > next steps?
> 
> You no longer care about your BIOS clock. Ignore it. Your system's time is 
> now syncronised to an atomic clock in Colorado.
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Jan  3 02:29:12 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:29:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W112F28214E7634ABB04E90995A0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030228370.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>

Oh good god, quit smoking! I don't believe I have to tell you that...

The tomato juice I will allow.

On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:

> Oh now I am just thrilled but at least I got to go hiking today! Ugh time
> for a smoke outside and a Tomato juice. This is brutal but necessary.
> 
> Thank you for your help. Emoji
> 
> paul g
> 
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:22:15 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> the same time.
> >
> > On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> >
> > > Upon this reboot can I ugh set my 24 hour bios clock again or what are
> my
> > > next steps?
> >
> > You no longer care about your BIOS clock. Ignore it. Your system's time is
> > now syncronised to an atomic clock in Colorado.
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 02:37:13 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:37:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030228370.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W1152CDE8C33D2955C11579995A0@phx.gbl>

Yep I know the cigarettes are no good .. I'ts been a cruch for a long time. Did I ever mention how much I really do appreciate you actually taking your time to respond to a noob like me? Well thanks for doing that i'm not quitting smoking cigarettes outside yet but I never like it when people find out I smoke cigarettes they think I am messy and such. I am the exact opposite. I just don't care about my lungs. Maybe I care about peoples computers a whole lot more. thank you, 

paul g 

> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:29:12 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> 
> Oh good god, quit smoking! I don't believe I have to tell you that...
> 
> The tomato juice I will allow.
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > Oh now I am just thrilled but at least I got to go hiking today! Ugh time
> > for a smoke outside and a Tomato juice. This is brutal but necessary.
> > 
> > Thank you for your help. Emoji
> > 
> > paul g
> > 
> > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:22:15 -0600
> > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
> > the same time.
> > >
> > > On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> > >
> > > > Upon this reboot can I ugh set my 24 hour bios clock again or what are
> > my
> > > > next steps?
> > >
> > > You no longer care about your BIOS clock. Ignore it. Your system's time is
> > > now syncronised to an atomic clock in Colorado.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> >
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From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:42:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W1152CDE8C33D2955C11579995A0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030240430.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:

> when people find out I smoke cigarettes they think I am messy and such.

I don't think you're messy, I just think your lungs are a mess.

> I am the exact opposite. I just don't care about my lungs.

Yeah, well, that's why you've got two of them, right?

Like I told my mom, you're going to quit smoking eventually. Might as well 
make it on YOUR terms.

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 03:04:36 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 03:04:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at
 the same time.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501030240430.6279@cockerel.yaron.org>
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W140A5CC83B1B902F0483F85995A0@phx.gbl>

You remember I struggle alot with really' really' correct user and visitor accounts right? I'm eating a salad right now BTW. I think I might play a song on you tube. If you don't mind I am going to send the link over.

https://www.youtube.com/html5

then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlVI7ZNiFlI

thank you for helping me. ?

> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:42:11 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Bios clock and Linux UTC clock refuse to set at the same time.
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > when people find out I smoke cigarettes they think I am messy and such.
> 
> I don't think you're messy, I just think your lungs are a mess.
> 
> > I am the exact opposite. I just don't care about my lungs.
> 
> Yeah, well, that's why you've got two of them, right?
> 
> Like I told my mom, you're going to quit smoking eventually. Might as well 
> make it on YOUR terms.
> _______________________________________________
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 03:31:45 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 03:31:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
In-Reply-To: <54A78355.7080006@gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W11C31A37D286689C478A6F995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W537979C47C2259E94AA889995A0@phx.gbl>

Mr. Bob are you still out there? The Logitec DB9 [serial] 3 button wheel mouse seems like a nice piece of equipment. 

> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:51:17 -0600
> From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The 2.6 kernel is outdated -> ridiculous!
> 
> On 1/2/2015 9:36 PM, paul g wrote:
> > Well it would be easy for older so called 'outdated desktop' computers
> > to connect to the lan internat thus enable them to surf the web via the
> > gateway via internet 'server' they could even have printers too that are
> > not even built by HP!
> 
> I can give you a Logitec DB9 (serial) 3 button wheel mouse if you think 
> that might help.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 03:39:05 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 03:39:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
In-Reply-To: <54A782E7-000852E0@penguinpackets.com>
References: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W9862500978BB54CB8A3604995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W1272283BFE2F5855FB874D6995A0@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W532406E31520E76971D378995A0@phx.gbl>

I can send this link over concerning 'regex'. You know what I am becoming to believe is that computer science people are pretty cool. Just alot smarter than me most of the time and they have alot of patience. I almost think I wish I could be one of them. If I devoted 20 years of my life and never have kids and just tried to read about computers and pick out a few languages I think I might just make it like it too. This tc-lug has shown me there are alot of super smart people out there and even when I am really down sometimes there is someone who kindof cares. WaWa. That sed stuff is kindof neat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression



To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:49:26 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!



Nah, sed is at fault Paul.  It is one of those, once you learn it, you will be able to chain together some regex that would make most folks shake their heads in disbelief


Fri Jan 02 2015 11:40:54 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!







That is harsh it will take me 2 years to figure that all out. Wow I love being a loser! 

From: pj.world at hotmail.com










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From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 03:49:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W532406E31520E76971D378995A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>, ,
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W126815FB65E305757C8816A995A0@phx.gbl>

Wow reading through that wiki link makes me really feel ignorant. The part I kindof connected with was boolean. I honestly think computer scientists are very smart. 

WaWa. please raise my internet speed don't cut me off!

From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 03:39:05 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!




I can send this link over concerning 'regex'. You know what I am becoming to believe is that computer science people are pretty cool. Just alot smarter than me most of the time and they have alot of patience. I almost think I wish I could be one of them. If I devoted 20 years of my life and never have kids and just tried to read about computers and pick out a few languages I think I might just make it like it too. This tc-lug has shown me there are alot of super smart people out there and even when I am really down sometimes there is someone who kindof cares. WaWa. That sed stuff is kindof neat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression



To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:49:26 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!



Nah, sed is at fault Paul.  It is one of those, once you learn it, you will be able to chain together some regex that would make most folks shake their heads in disbelief


Fri Jan 02 2015 11:40:54 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!







That is harsh it will take me 2 years to figure that all out. Wow I love being a loser! 

From: pj.world at hotmail.com










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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 04:02:38 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 04:02:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
In-Reply-To: <54A782E7-000852E0@penguinpackets.com>
References: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W9862500978BB54CB8A3604995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W1272283BFE2F5855FB874D6995A0@phx.gbl>,
 <54A782E7-000852E0@penguinpackets.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W21E4F71CBB4764E037B8E2995A0@phx.gbl>

Yes! it will take me at least 5 years to learn anything about 'sed' and by that time I will only have 1 tooth left. Hopefully It will make addition easier though. Wow 'regex' is some cool stuff way out of my league though. It just kindof came to show me that computers/linux is very powerful. It's a pleasure to even talk and write to you fellows. Absolutely amazing.



To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:49:26 -0600
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!



Nah, sed is at fault Paul.  It is one of those, once you learn it, you will be able to chain together some regex that would make most folks shake their heads in disbelief


Fri Jan 02 2015 11:40:54 PM CST from "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!







That is harsh it will take me 2 years to figure that all out. Wow I love being a loser! 

From: pj.world at hotmail.com










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From eng at pinenet.com  Sat Jan  3 06:29:38 2015
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 06:29:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning string editing on a 2.6 kernel with a serial
	mouse
Message-ID: <54A7E0B2.9070803@pinenet.com>

Perhaps a better string editing language than "sed" is Tcl. It will do 
most any "glob" or "regex" string handling, and most anything else. The 
Tcl array and list tools are worth learning.

I like using the text editor "nedit." Nedit has a nice "regex" 
capability that is well documented. It has been very handy converting 
large old programs that typically use short variable names, and easily 
allows me to substitute much larger descriptive names. It has helped me 
convert C programs to FreePascal, too. It comes with extensive syntax 
highlighting language definitions pre-configured to provide many examples.

And I prefer doing it on a suSe 9.0 pro box running the 2.4 kernel using 
an old wheel mouse. The wheel mouse allows me better sensitivity to 
position the cursor between letters. The X window system is configured 
manually for modern display monitors.

The system runs for months at a time and shows 3D macromolecule 
animation for a screensaver.

I have a separate opensuse 12.2 box that does have the needed USB 
interface for Arduino Uno. But it is rarely used. Mostly I use opensuse 
11.3.

If my post makes little sense to most of you, likewise.

From sfertch at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 09:39:45 2015
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:39:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning 'sed' a Book would be welcomed!
In-Reply-To: <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W1071677B1F923ED9990D908995A0@phx.gbl>
 <1346E704-DB85-4941-BE9F-EDBF39CEE9AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCD7j4mfs_szF54vTFj2FsJgzG1WtrCKmQJO76_8Wvcot2Gsg@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a resource that I use:

http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt

I've saved it as a text file a few years back, and then search what I am
looking for.  Saves having to go to the web all the time.



On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Brandon Johnson <skylineproject at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Before you spend any money, I might recommend the WikiBook on the topic.
> WikiBooks are freely available resources on many topics. Here's a link to
> the Sed WikiBook:  http://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sed
>
> In addition, I've found this resource to be useful in learning Sed:
> http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html
>
> It's not a book exactly, but it has helped me locate a number of useful
> examples that allowed me to better explore the tool.
>
> If you're looking for something more, the O'Reilly Guide to Awk and Sed
> seems to be well-reviewed, and may available at a bookseller near you.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Brandon
>
> On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:07 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to purchase the best book about 'sed' that I can buy could
> anyone please recommend this?
>
> Thank you
>
>


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From escargo at skypoint.com  Sat Jan  3 19:35:13 2015
From: escargo at skypoint.com (David S. Cargo)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 19:35:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning string editing on a 2.6 kernel with a
	serial mouse
In-Reply-To: <54A7E0B2.9070803@pinenet.com>
References: <54A7E0B2.9070803@pinenet.com>
Message-ID: <f16haad13eb9e64jnv6v3slbuachmc5n43@4ax.com>

On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 06:29:38 -0600, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com>
wrote:

>Perhaps a better string editing language than "sed" is Tcl. It will do 
>most any "glob" or "regex" string handling, and most anything else. The 
>Tcl array and list tools are worth learning.

I've been a Tcl programmer since 1997, and still use it, although I'm
not employed as a computer programmer any more. (I wish I was, but
that's not the way the world has worked.)

If you've got come questions about Tcl specifically, I'd be happy to
answer them (or try to answer them).

I still use it to develop scripts to manage different pools of
information that I have.

Regards,

escargo

From eng at pinenet.com  Sat Jan  3 21:08:26 2015
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:08:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning string editing on a 2.6 kernel with a
 serial mouse
In-Reply-To: <f16haad13eb9e64jnv6v3slbuachmc5n43@4ax.com>
References: <54A7E0B2.9070803@pinenet.com>
 <f16haad13eb9e64jnv6v3slbuachmc5n43@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <54A8AEAA.5030605@pinenet.com>

Sincere thanks. I'm delighted to see an experienced programmer in this 
group. I'll put this email in my saved box.

But I must apologize for mostly being sarcastic about a long list of 
emails from this group that mostly said nothing.

I feel very comfortable programming and learning more Tcl/Tk/iWidgets 
from the wonderful HTML documentation and examples. Same with other 
Linux capabilites.

Most of my innovative time is spent pushing cellulosic biofuels. As a 
biophysicist I've copied the nervous system to push fiber optic 
networking in the early 1980s, now I don't understand the gunked up 
internet. These days I copy fire, and think we can create a lot of 
higher value fuel by vaporizing cellulose with concentrated sunlight. 
The Raspberry Pi, or Arduino Uno could control a lot of mirrors. But 
everybody is an expert and there are dozens of variations on solar 
energy and cellulosic derived fuels. There is a lot of big money, public 
and private, chasing this around the world in the name of climate change 
and energy security. People also talk about "smart grid" and "load 
balancing" the electric grid. As best I'm able, I contribute the 
biophysical chemistry but would love to churn out code at a warm desk 
instead.

I wish I could suggest something specific for your kind offer. Just like 
developing the internet and integrated circuits in the 1980s, we need a 
new economic gameplan today. And it will involve computers and energy, 
IMHO. There are quite a few groups in the state active in this area.



David S.Cargo wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 06:29:38 -0600, Rick Engebretson<eng at pinenet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps a better string editing language than "sed" is Tcl. It will do
>> most any "glob" or "regex" string handling, and most anything else. The
>> Tcl array and list tools are worth learning.
>
> I've been a Tcl programmer since 1997, and still use it, although I'm
> not employed as a computer programmer any more. (I wish I was, but
> that's not the way the world has worked.)
>
> If you've got come questions about Tcl specifically, I'd be happy to
> answer them (or try to answer them).
>
> I still use it to develop scripts to manage different pools of
> information that I have.
>
> Regards,
>
> escargo
>

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  4 03:18:59 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 03:18:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Learning string editing on a 2.6 kernel with a
 serial mouse
In-Reply-To: <54A8AEAA.5030605@pinenet.com>
References: <54A7E0B2.9070803@pinenet.com>,
 <f16haad13eb9e64jnv6v3slbuachmc5n43@4ax.com>, <54A8AEAA.5030605@pinenet.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W1895127DA7676DCE68B6E4995B0@phx.gbl>

David and Rick if you are out there: There was a cool/silly racecar game
 I used to play. On the DOS 6.2 built by 'Apogee' If the code was just 
changed a little bit. Would it be possible to add this game as a 'bin' 
file in the Debian or better yet Mint/Ubuntu 17/14 repositories? I am 
overjoyed to have even read your messages regarding programming 
languages. 

paul g

> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:08:26 -0600
> From: eng at pinenet.com
> To: escargo at skypoint.com; tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Learning string editing on a 2.6 kernel with a serial mouse
> 
> Sincere thanks. I'm delighted to see an experienced programmer in this 
> group. I'll put this email in my saved box.
> 
> But I must apologize for mostly being sarcastic about a long list of 
> emails from this group that mostly said nothing.
> 
> I feel very comfortable programming and learning more Tcl/Tk/iWidgets 
> from the wonderful HTML documentation and examples. Same with other 
> Linux capabilites.
> 
> Most of my innovative time is spent pushing cellulosic biofuels. As a 
> biophysicist I've copied the nervous system to push fiber optic 
> networking in the early 1980s, now I don't understand the gunked up 
> internet. These days I copy fire, and think we can create a lot of 
> higher value fuel by vaporizing cellulose with concentrated sunlight. 
> The Raspberry Pi, or Arduino Uno could control a lot of mirrors. But 
> everybody is an expert and there are dozens of variations on solar 
> energy and cellulosic derived fuels. There is a lot of big money, public 
> and private, chasing this around the world in the name of climate change 
> and energy security. People also talk about "smart grid" and "load 
> balancing" the electric grid. As best I'm able, I contribute the 
> biophysical chemistry but would love to churn out code at a warm desk 
> instead.
> 
> I wish I could suggest something specific for your kind offer. Just like 
> developing the internet and integrated circuits in the 1980s, we need a 
> new economic gameplan today. And it will involve computers and energy, 
> IMHO. There are quite a few groups in the state active in this area.
> 
> 
> 
> David S.Cargo wrote:
> > On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 06:29:38 -0600, Rick Engebretson<eng at pinenet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps a better string editing language than "sed" is Tcl. It will do
> >> most any "glob" or "regex" string handling, and most anything else. The
> >> Tcl array and list tools are worth learning.
> >
> > I've been a Tcl programmer since 1997, and still use it, although I'm
> > not employed as a computer programmer any more. (I wish I was, but
> > that's not the way the world has worked.)
> >
> > If you've got come questions about Tcl specifically, I'd be happy to
> > answer them (or try to answer them).
> >
> > I still use it to develop scripts to manage different pools of
> > information that I have.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > escargo
> >
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From david.wagle at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 13:12:09 2015
From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:12:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Font help
Message-ID: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>

So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.

So far I'm very happy with the whole package. SUSE's management tools are
the bomb.

However, the font rendering in Gnome sucks. Someone barfed pixels all over
my high-res monitors.

I've played around with all the common settings and fixes (gnome-tweak
tool, downloaded liberation and msfonts, etc) but it still looks like I'm
on a CRT instead of a moderately good flat screen.

Anyone have any ideas on how to fix fonts in this environment?

Thanks!

-- 
David A. Wagle
cell: 952-607-71741
linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan  5 13:20:31 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:20:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Font help
In-Reply-To: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:

> So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.?


Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???

Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???

From david.wagle at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 13:30:51 2015
From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:30:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Font help
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501051319540.9960@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJdTJyNH7-jqq75axSWecWOS=RioTw3wXnTB+VVPiOZFKQqjzw@mail.gmail.com>

*chuckle*

I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but OpenSUSE's
might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>
>  So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>>
>
>
> Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>
> Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>


-- 
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From lkateley at kateley.com  Mon Jan  5 13:43:47 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 13:43:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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Message-ID: <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>

I always like a good joke, please share?

I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always 
dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to 
have gone too commercial

So what linux do you use and why?

linda

On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
> *chuckle*
>
> I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but 
> OpenSUSE's might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com 
> <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>
>         So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>
>
>
>     Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>
>     Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> David A. Wagle
> cell: 952-607-71741
> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From sfertch at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 13:52:54 2015
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:52:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>
References: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>
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Enterprise:  rhel

Home server:  CentOS (mimicking what I do at work), Debian on occasion

Home workstation:  Fedora or Ubuntu
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From kjh at flyballdogs.com  Mon Jan  5 14:01:08 2015
From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 14:01:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] =?utf-8?q?Which_linux_do_you_use=3F?=
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On 2015-01-05 13:43, Linda Kateley wrote: 

> I always like a good joke, please share? 
> 
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to have gone too commercial 
> 
> So what linux do you use and why

I've been using Fedora since Fedora Core 1. I started out with VA Linux
and then Red Hat before they split into RHEL and Fedora. 

Some of the reasons I've liked Fedora is that I like to be running more
or less bleeding edge. I'm not sure how much that will change since they
have gone away from the two releases per year model. 

It always seems to minimize issues with new RHEL releases at work since
I've already compiled everything with the latest gcc on fedora long
before that made its way to RHEL. Since they come from the same
ecosystem, I've had good luck getting work things (like Oracle Database)
to install on Fedora even though it only officially supports RHEL and
OEL.

I've actually grown to really like gnome 3 (with a good set of plug
ins). I pretty much expect things to just work like running virtual box
(stupid Windows for work) on one screen of a dual head set up. I have no
experience with Ubuntutu and their desktop thing. I run cinnamon on the
old laptop I use as HTPC.

If you want to play with the future, you can run Wayland out of the box
on F21. I have no idea how many other distros have that.

-- 
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http://womensfooty.com
 
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From mat at mthx.org  Mon Jan  5 14:02:12 2015
From: mat at mthx.org (Marc Thomas)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 14:02:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>
References: <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>
Message-ID: <1420488132.1928.2@smtp.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> 
wrote:
> I always like a good joke, please share?
> 
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have 
> always dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. 
> redhat seems to have gone too commercial
> 
> So what linux do you use and why?

Home Desktop: Arch
Work Laptop: Arch
Personal Servers: Ubuntu 14.04/Ubuntu 14.04/Fedora 20

I generally recommend Fedora to new people if their coming from Mac, 
and either Ubuntu or Fedora if their coming from Windows.

> 
> 
> linda
> 
> On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
>> *chuckle*
>> 
>> I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but 
>> OpenSUSE's might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>>> 
>>> Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> David A. Wagle
>> cell: 952-607-71741
>> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


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From david.wagle at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 14:15:02 2015
From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:15:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>
References: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>
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Home: OpenSUSE Tumbleweed

All the cutting edge of Arch with top notch management tools and (lightly)
tested packages.

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:

>  I always like a good joke, please share?
>
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always
> dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to
> have gone too commercial
>
> So what linux do you use and why?
>
> linda
>
> On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
>
> *chuckle*
>
>  I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but
> OpenSUSE's might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>>
>>  So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>>>
>>
>>
>>  Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>>
>> Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
>  David A. Wagle
> cell: 952-607-71741
> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Mon Jan  5 14:21:34 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:21:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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>
>  I always like a good joke, please share?
>
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always
> dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to
> have gone too commercial
>
> So what linux do you use and why?
>

centos6 for clients, the updates are good for 10 years, so avoids the
pointless upgrade mill, defacto standard distro base for important and free
platforms eg openvz, inside which i mostly run centos6 containers, some
(desktopless minimal) ubuntu.

home was wonover by ubuntu years ago because it had the drivers for my
ancient hardware with no extra effort, lubuntu nowadaze, no unity, twm
still my fav, low overhead, huge repository, defacto standard distro base
for noncommercial software, a couple on precise because no pressure to
upgrade, main box on trusty hence firefox uptodate.
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From marc at e-skinner.net  Mon Jan  5 14:26:30 2015
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 14:26:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>
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RHEL for work servers, Fedora for work desktop and laptops
CentOS for some testing sometimes - to test RDO (OpenStack)






On 01/05/2015 01:43 PM, Linda Kateley wrote:
> I always like a good joke, please share?
>
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always
> dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to
> have gone too commercial
>
> So what linux do you use and why?
>
> linda
>
> On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
>> *chuckle*
>>
>> I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but
>> OpenSUSE's might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com
>> <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>>
>>         So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>>
>>     Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David A. Wagle
>> cell: 952-607-71741
>> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From chrome at real-time.com  Mon Jan  5 14:27:49 2015
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 15:27:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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On 01/05 01:43 , Linda Kateley wrote:
> So what linux do you use and why?

I started with Red Hat 5.1 back in November 1998. After a year or so tho,
all the Debian guys enticed me with how easy the Advanced Package Tool (APT)
made upgrades. RH had nothing like it until a few years later. 

Also, Debian is a very community-oriented distro. (Or at least it was, I
don't know what it's like right now). Red Hat was in the business of
promoting Red Hat Software. So there were RH-specific tools that made it
easier to admin, but the knowledge didn't transfer to other distros. Also,
the Debian package-building process and software update process were
optimized for reducing the workload the community of developers had to do.
RH by the other hand had paid developers to put updated packages in their
distro repository, and this flavored the sort of packages one would find,
and also their update/release cycle rate.

Eventually all the Debian guys here at Real Time convinced the boss that
Debian really was easier to use, and after a little experimentation he
readily agreed that it was. So RTE became a Debian shop for several years.

The Ubuntu came out, and while I dislike the sound of the name, the fact
that it's Debian but with less ideology, a wider list of software that's
"not quite as Free", and some ease-of-installation features that make it
look friendly to newbies made me see the appeal of it.

When I bought my last desktop from QuietPC (http://www.quietpc.com/) it came
with Ubuntu installed, and I installed Ubuntu on my gf's computer and she's
fairly happy with it.

I taught SuSE administration for several years, just after Novell bought
them out. I learned to despise it very quickly. Even before the Novell
acquisition, SuSE always had some non-standard ways of doing things
(administration tools, filesystem layout). My main problem with SuSE these
days is that you pretty much need to decide at the beginning if you're going
to admin it by editing the config files, or if you're going to use their GUI
tools (YaST and YaST2). I've found that it tends to put related settings in
widely-dispersed config files, and only the GUI tool knows where all those
settings are.

So if like me, you're used to editing the configs (because Debian is
comparatively quite standards-compliant and doesn't have a lot of tools
peculiar to it, and would rather use tools designed to work on a lot of
different distros and just update/modify them for its needs), you'll hate
SuSE because things that you expect to make changes often won't have the
effect you desire until you either track down where all you need to make
changes, or you break down and use the GUI tool.

SuSE, to me, seems to suffer from the problem that Microsoft Windows has.
Namely, it's trying to be so easy to use and automagically do stuff for you,
that occasionally it automagically breaks itself and is opaque and hard to
administrate if you don't do what the developers of the admin tools had in
mind.

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From trnja001 at umn.edu  Mon Jan  5 14:48:46 2015
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:48:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:

>  I always like a good joke, please share?
>
>
I migrated all of my enterprise Hannah Montana Linux servers to Taylor
Swift Linux because I didn't like the direction the HML project was
choosing to take.
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 14:51:07 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:51:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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Didn't HML start getting really flakey and crash a lot towards the
end? I know they had some real stability issues and had some real need
for cleanup.

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Elvedin Trnjanin <trnja001 at umn.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:
>>
>> I always like a good joke, please share?
>>
>
> I migrated all of my enterprise Hannah Montana Linux servers to Taylor Swift
> Linux because I didn't like the direction the HML project was choosing to
> take.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Jan  5 15:34:47 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 15:34:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>
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For business-use, Red Hat goign "too commercial" is a good thing. If I was 
running a business that actually made money, I'd be using RHEL.

I've been using Ubuntu (and before that, debian) for personal/home use for 
ages. As long as it works I have no desire to migrate to anything else. 
Since I don't use the default desktop environment anyway, I'm not affected 
by Ubuntu's weird desktop and integration decisions.

On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:

> I always like a good joke, please share?
> 
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always dug
> suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to have
> gone too commercial
> 
> So what linux do you use and why?
> 
> linda
> 
> On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
>       *chuckle*?
> I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but
> OpenSUSE's might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
> 
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
>
>       On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>
>             So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE
>             Tumbleweed.?
> 
> 
>
>       Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>
>       Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>       _______________________________________________
>       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> David A. Wagle cell: 952-607-71741
> linkedin:?http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
>

From stevetrapp at comcast.net  Mon Jan  5 15:38:17 2015
From: stevetrapp at comcast.net (Steve Trapp)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 15:38:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>
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On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 13:43:47 -0600,
Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:
> I always like a good joke, please share?
> 
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always 
> dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to 
> have gone too commercial
> 
> So what linux do you use and why?

I use debian because:
1. apt - advanced package tool - easy to use, so easy to install packages.
2. NOT on the bleeding edge! I hate it when stuff you use breaks on you.
Although, sometimes, I do wish they were a little farther along because if
you get new hardware, sometimes debian stuff is too far behind. So, I could
switch distros solely for hardware isues if absolutely necessary.
3. Stuff seems tested heavily.

While I use GTK+ (which seems like a piece of GNOME), I've had to drop
GNOME as my DesktopEnvironment because I don't like the changes made when
they went to GNOME 3.

Instead, I use LXDE. But I don't like LX-Terminal, so I use ROX-Terminal
(roxterm). roxterm seems to operate with a lot of features of
gnome-terminal, and some additional stuff of its own.

The WindowManager I use is openbox. Now, before, I was running openbox and
had no DesktopEnvironment at all, so I'm already familiar with openbox, and
what's cool about openbox is that it is easy to add stuff to the menus,
whereas, with GNOME menus, I don't have a clue about how to add stuff.
I'ven't figure out how to do pipe-menu-s yet with openbox, but it SOUNDS
cool.

The one cool thing about LXDE is that it gets the following right:
: This computer is a host.
: This computer has two network interfaces (Windows people call these NIC
cards or NIC interfaces).
: Oh, look, there's an Ethernet network interface.
: Oh, look, there's a WiFi interface. And there's WiFi stations in this
area.
: Oh, look, the Ethernet cable is connected.
: Oh, look, both the Ethernet and the WiFi want to use the same IP address.
: Now, for the part where NO OTHER NETWORKING SOFTWARE SEEMS TO DO RIGHT...
DRUM ROLL, PLEASE...
: I think that since this host went through the trouble of having a cable
plugged in that I will connect to Ethernet and disconnect from WiFi.
===========
Summarizing: When you find a HOST (i.e., a computer that is NOT a ROUTER)
with an IP address the same for both interfaces, Ethernet **TRUMPS** WiFi!
===========
Whenever I have to stoop to using Win7, I have to go thru the "disable one
interface" and "enable the other interface" way more times than you'd think
because it was last set "the other way". But wataaya expect from Micro$oft?

I use *bash* as my shell, although I think that *zsh* is probably more
capable--it's just that I don't think I can cram in any more shell syntax
into my thick head, anymore.

Lastly, I like that there is an ARM version of Debian Wheezy Linux that
others have adapated to use with Android phones. Although you don't have to
pay, it is asked that you pay what you can, anyhow, therefore, it's not
open source, but, tell me, can you figure out how to have a program that
you wrote (nonGUI of course) that you can run on your phone without rooting
the phone? My favorite is plugging your android into your laptop via the
usual USB data cable and running X (however, they tell me the communication
is not via the usual X stuff but uses the same as the protcol VNC
uses--to be more specific--tightVNC//Up pops an xterm via twm). Another
thing with the app that launches Debian Wheezy: It uses ptrace() to make it
so that you can both be debian-user-root (to use apt-get, for example), and
yet not to require having the phone rooted. Cuz if you have the phone
rooted, you could do a real chroot. I'ven't figure out how this works yet.

OK, sorry, this was TMI (Acronym expansion: (T)oo (M)uch (I)nformation).

> 
> linda
> 

-- 
Name: Steve Trapp
Homepage: http://steventrapp.home.comcast.net
Email: stevetrapp **AT** comcast **DOT** net
Locale: en_US.UTF-8 | Location: Upper Midwest

From rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 16:11:27 2015
From: rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com (rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 16:11:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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On 01/05/2015 01:43 PM, Linda Kateley wrote:
> I always like a good joke, please share?
>
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have 
> always dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat 
> seems to have gone too commercial
>
> So what linux do you use and why?
>
> linda
>

I build LFS/BLFS 7.6.  LFS (Linux From Scratch) teaches me a great deal 
and I can avoid branding and control my distribution better.
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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 17:16:21 2015
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:16:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:
> I always like a good joke, please share?

All my jokes are way too corny for this list.

> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always dug
> suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to have
> gone too commercial
>
> So what linux do you use and why?

Work: RHEL, because enterprise workloads require enterprise support

Home: I waffle between Debian, Ubuntu, and to a lesser extent Mint.
It often depends on how much I want to hack with stuff and how much I
want things to just work.  For servers I use exclusively Debian.

I should really play with Arch.  But that has nothing to do with this thread.

I grew up on Redhat, and played with it and Mandrake until RHDE 8.
RHDE 8 was junk in comparison to 7.3, and at that point I gave up on
it (and Fedora) to use Debian almost exclusively.  Ubuntu's early
editions seemed interested in fixing problems that didn't exist,
however these days it seems to work on pretty much everything without
complaining.  I also appreciate that it (as well as Debian and Fedora)
provide an XFCE ISO image so I don't have to deal with Unity.

I have no idea what SuSE is up to today.  My former employer ditched
RHEL in favor of SLES, due to support issues with Redhat.  YaST is the
strangest contraption, thankfully the text mode version doesn't take
days to load and makes finding network settings possible.

If I was trying to build a distribute-able software package/appliance,
I would choose Debian for the size, customize-ability, and general
openness of the tools.

Brian

From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 17:23:22 2015
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:23:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Build-your-own PVR kit
Message-ID: <CAB3QoPn61k4ZHZVp08ZvfSBx+HD8L50KH5xjcsFuea86AimObg@mail.gmail.com>

TCLUGers,

I have decided after years of fiddling with my homebrew PVR that I no
longer have a need for it.

Specs:
Supermicro 1U rackmount chassis
Pentium 4 2.4Ghz CPU
1GB DRR-333 memory
400GB Hitachi SATA drive
Dual 1GbE onboard NICs
CDROM
Hauppage HVR-1600 PCI card with remote, IR blaster, and docs

I've had Mythbuntu running it for awhile, it seemed to play happily
with the hardware.

The Supermicro chassis is normally loud; however I was able to drop
the voltage to the fans and make it quiet enough for the living room
while still being able to cool sufficiently.

It has no sound card.  I was able to use a USB headphone adapter with
some tinkering.

Asking $200, feel free to make an offer.

Brian

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 17:59:29 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:59:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Font help
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I've learned to stick with Arch through good and bad for over ten
years now, but I don't blame you for leaving :-)

Is the Infinality patchset available in OpenSuse? I've always gone
with that on Arch. Also, Ubuntu has some of their own patchsets for
freetype and fontconfig as well, worth checking out.
http://www.infinality.net/blog/infinality-freetype-patches/

When you say looking like a CRT on an LCD sounds an awful lot like
incorrect resolution or driver. What graphics chipset / driver are you
using?

Re: gnome3, I tried it for two months late fall and it's still too
buggy for me, but the font rendering seemed fine. Been back and happy
with xfce4 for now.
--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:30 PM, David Wagle <david.wagle at gmail.com> wrote:
> *chuckle*
>
> I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but OpenSUSE's
> might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>>
>>> So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>>
>> Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
>
> --
> David A. Wagle
> cell: 952-607-71741
> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 19:09:32 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:09:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>
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Thought I'd chime in with +1 for ArchLinux.

I know I haven't updated in awhile, but I am still testing zol on my
ArchLinux NAS at home, and haven't had any issues yet (non-ecc ram,
offsite and external backup drive). Arch has a repo for zol which has
worked well so far. zraid2 with 4 disks gets about 200 - 250 Megabits
per second over a 1 gig line, which is plenty for me.

The only thing I don't get with zol in general is native support for
zfs encryption. Otherwise snapshots, scrubbing, and compression work
just fine.

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:
> I always like a good joke, please share?
>
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always dug
> suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to have
> gone too commercial
>
> So what linux do you use and why?
>
> linda
>
> On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
>
> *chuckle*
>
> I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but OpenSUSE's
> might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>>
>>> So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>>
>> Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
>
> --
> David A. Wagle
> cell: 952-607-71741
> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From kellywilliams81 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 19:54:14 2015
From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com (Kelly Williams)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:54:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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I use Ubuntu 14.04 on my desktop which I switched from Mint on my and on my
laptop I use Mint 17.

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson <
jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thought I'd chime in with +1 for ArchLinux.
>
> I know I haven't updated in awhile, but I am still testing zol on my
> ArchLinux NAS at home, and haven't had any issues yet (non-ecc ram,
> offsite and external backup drive). Arch has a repo for zol which has
> worked well so far. zraid2 with 4 disks gets about 200 - 250 Megabits
> per second over a 1 gig line, which is plenty for me.
>
> The only thing I don't get with zol in general is native support for
> zfs encryption. Otherwise snapshots, scrubbing, and compression work
> just fine.
>
> --
> Jeremy MountainJohnson
> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com>
> wrote:
> > I always like a good joke, please share?
> >
> > I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always
> dug
> > suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to have
> > gone too commercial
> >
> > So what linux do you use and why?
> >
> > linda
> >
> > On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
> >
> > *chuckle*
> >
> > I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but OpenSUSE's
> > might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
> >>
> >>> So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
> >>
> >> Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > David A. Wagle
> > cell: 952-607-71741
> > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From eng at pinenet.com  Mon Jan  5 21:08:27 2015
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:08:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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I've enjoyed SUSE since 6.1. The comments from others about YAST doing 
the serious work for the user are certainly true. I was impressed with 
the Debian distribution "Raspbian."

But recently I've been getting a 6 DVD set of opensuse from OSDISC.com 
or something like that. I copy a local repository of the discs and can 
learn what is out there. Unbelievable amount of software on 6 DVDs.

Most of my time used to be spent digging in /usr/include files and the 
like. Amazing to learn how things like "semaphores" or serial port modem 
control lines, or other linux systems work. It really is all there. The 
libC reference is great, too. Or X. Many, many new advances made my 
skills obsolete. If I was 30, 40, + years younger! As the saying goes, 
"youth is wasted on the young."

Linda Kateley wrote:
> I always like a good joke, please share?
>
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always
> dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to
> have gone too commercial
>
> So what linux do you use and why?
>
> linda
>
> On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
>> *chuckle*
>>
>> I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but
>> OpenSUSE's might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com
>> <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>>
>> So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>>
>> Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David A. Wagle
>> cell: 952-607-71741
>> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 21:43:46 2015
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:43:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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On 1/5/2015 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley wrote:
> I always like a good joke, please share?
>
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always
> dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to
> have gone too commercial
>
> So what linux do you use and why?

Home: Slackware - because it's the best

Work : Slackware - because it's the best && Centos - sometimes 
commercial is good in commercial environments.  We also have a couple 
Debian install at work that I like to swear at as well.


From nassarmu at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 21:49:38 2015
From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:49:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:34 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> For business-use, Red Hat goign "too commercial" is a good thing. If I was
> running a business that actually made money, I'd be using RHEL.

Why? What does Red Hat provide that is so essential for running a business?

From david.wagle at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 22:16:11 2015
From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:16:11 -0800
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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REHL doesn't provide anything essential in terms of technology, though
their network and device management tools are excellent. What they provide
is a financially stable, responsive corporate backing so that you can be
certain that you will have the information and support necessary from a
vendor for a business to be successful at their business objectives.

If you're business is, say, an insurance broker, you're not in the IT
business and you likely don't have top notch IT management because of that
fact. Ergo, you need a vendor you can rely upon. Red Hat provides that. And
make no mistake, that is in itself an essential business value.

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Munir Nassar <nassarmu at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:34 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> > For business-use, Red Hat goign "too commercial" is a good thing. If I
> was
> > running a business that actually made money, I'd be using RHEL.
>
> Why? What does Red Hat provide that is so essential for running a business?
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
David A. Wagle
cell: 952-607-71741
linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
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From adam at askewview.net  Mon Jan  5 22:04:40 2015
From: adam at askewview.net (Adam Barthelemy)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 22:04:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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Enterprise level support with the developers to back it up.

In my current and previous work environments downtime was VERY 
expensive. When crap hits the fan and stuff breaks horribly enterprises 
need someone to work with.

Work: RHEL (See above)
Home: Mint (it just works.)

--Adam

On 1/5/2015 9:49 PM, Munir Nassar wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:34 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>> For business-use, Red Hat goign "too commercial" is a good thing. If I was
>> running a business that actually made money, I'd be using RHEL.
> Why? What does Red Hat provide that is so essential for running a business?
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Jan  5 22:42:34 2015
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 22:42:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
Message-ID: <b9pn3f10d227g8cmr8lw6lf6.1420519350703@email.android.com>

I've grown to dislike dealing with software licenses for my systems. Microsoft is a chore. Redhat is no fun. Suse is a disaster. Cisco is a mess. I'm sure there is probably some certification path for software licenses nowadays. What a pain.

Ubuntu for servers is a big ball of awesome.
Mint (Ubuntu derivative) for desktop/laptop is fantastic.
Centos for servers if you want that Redhat-like experience.?

I run a public mirror for all three of these distros at my work to help give back.?

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</div>On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:34 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> For business-use, Red Hat goign "too commercial" is a good thing. If I was
> running a business that actually made money, I'd be using RHEL.

Why? What does Red Hat provide that is so essential for running a business?
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From sfertch at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 23:14:07 2015
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 23:14:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Munir Nassar <nassarmu at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:34 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> > For business-use, Red Hat goign "too commercial" is a good thing. If I
> was
> > running a business that actually made money, I'd be using RHEL.
>
> Why? What does Red Hat provide that is so essential for running a business?
>
>
It isn't what Red Hat provides per se.  It's more that many applications do
not play well with other distros.  For example, some won't install on
CentOS, Debian, etc. due to how it is written, or that they expect certain
locations for files.  Heck, some of them won't install unless the
/etc/redhat-release file exists with specific content.  Beyond that, if you
call in for support on the app, good luck in getting support on any distro
other than what they support the app on.

Running Debian, CentOS, Ubuntu, Slack, etc. might work well for small
businesses, and some medium sized ones (or universities/colleges).
However, when you start getting into the medium to large enterprises, you
will most likely not get any management support for running any distro
which does not have enterprise level SLA's.


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-Shawn
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  6 01:48:47 2015
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 01:48:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Font help
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David Wagle is back! 

That's awesome. ?

Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:30:51 -0600
From: david.wagle at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Font help

*chuckle* 
I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but OpenSUSE's might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:




On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:




So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. 






Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???



Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
_______________________________________________

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
David A. Waglecell: 952-607-71741linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/


_______________________________________________
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From jjensen at apache.org  Tue Jan  6 07:30:10 2015
From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 07:30:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>
References: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>
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Home: Fedora; rode the original Red Hat split, so been "long time".  It
uses the "standards", is well-supported (company, people, products,
google-fu), innovative, good management, and stable.  Just setup a new
server, considered others, chose Fedora again.

Work: mainly Solaris, Ubuntu, and Red Hat  (different customer's)


On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:

> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always
> dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to
> have gone too commercial
>
> So what linux do you use and why?
>
> linda
>
>
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From bgilbertson at rrt.net  Tue Jan  6 08:18:35 2015
From: bgilbertson at rrt.net (Bob Gilbertson)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 08:18:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
Message-ID: <54abeebb.36d1.b2699b70.6109ab01@rrt.net>

Started with Redhat 5.something - Hurricane.
Moved to Mandrake, then Mandriva, now using PCLinuxOS.
Maintainer is Bill Reynolds (Texstar) who used to be a packager for 
Mandrake.
Uses apt for packaging.
Use it as a desktop, and as a backup server.
I need something I can do work on, not have to work on it - have 
limited time.

Also have an Ubuntu machine at work for gnuradio SDR development.

Bob



On Monday 05/01/2015 at 1:48 pm, Linda Kateley  wrote:
>
> I always like a good joke, please share?
>
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have     
> always dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical..     
> redhat seems to have gone too commercial
>
> So what linux do you use and why?
>
> linda
>
>
> On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
>
>>
>> *chuckle*
>>
>> I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking,           
>> but OpenSUSE's might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>>>
>>> Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>>
>> David A. Wagle
>> cell: 952-607-71741
>> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From lkateley at kateley.com  Tue Jan  6 09:22:14 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 09:22:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <CACEdYO07ePZvt=8WdYJMy_Pwx8LvdBnL_QhH1w2uy5CJJV+CBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Jeremy,

Did you try any other distros for ZOL?

linda

On 1/5/15 7:09 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote:
> Thought I'd chime in with +1 for ArchLinux.
>
> I know I haven't updated in awhile, but I am still testing zol on my
> ArchLinux NAS at home, and haven't had any issues yet (non-ecc ram,
> offsite and external backup drive). Arch has a repo for zol which has
> worked well so far. zraid2 with 4 disks gets about 200 - 250 Megabits
> per second over a 1 gig line, which is plenty for me.
>
> The only thing I don't get with zol in general is native support for
> zfs encryption. Otherwise snapshots, scrubbing, and compression work
> just fine.
>
> --
> Jeremy MountainJohnson
> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:
>> I always like a good joke, please share?
>>
>> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always dug
>> suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to have
>> gone too commercial
>>
>> So what linux do you use and why?
>>
>> linda
>>
>> On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
>>
>> *chuckle*
>>
>> I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but OpenSUSE's
>> might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>>>
>>>> So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>>>
>>> Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David A. Wagle
>> cell: 952-607-71741
>> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 09:59:33 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 09:59:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <54ABFDA6.1080102@kateley.com>
References: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAJdTJyNH7-jqq75axSWecWOS=RioTw3wXnTB+VVPiOZFKQqjzw@mail.gmail.com>
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Negative. I toyed with running FreeNAS on my home NAS, however I like
the control I get with Arch. This may change someday, as I see FreeNAS
has nice support for Crashplan, overall management of the system would
be significantly easier and faster, and the encryption would give me
greater piece of mind.

Regarding the encryption, that appears across the Linux distro
platform for ZOL (not counting BSD of course), unless I missed
something?


--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:
> Jeremy,
>
> Did you try any other distros for ZOL?
>
> linda
>
>
> On 1/5/15 7:09 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote:
>>
>> Thought I'd chime in with +1 for ArchLinux.
>>
>> I know I haven't updated in awhile, but I am still testing zol on my
>> ArchLinux NAS at home, and haven't had any issues yet (non-ecc ram,
>> offsite and external backup drive). Arch has a repo for zol which has
>> worked well so far. zraid2 with 4 disks gets about 200 - 250 Megabits
>> per second over a 1 gig line, which is plenty for me.
>>
>> The only thing I don't get with zol in general is native support for
>> zfs encryption. Otherwise snapshots, scrubbing, and compression work
>> just fine.
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy MountainJohnson
>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I always like a good joke, please share?
>>>
>>> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always
>>> dug
>>> suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to have
>>> gone too commercial
>>>
>>> So what linux do you use and why?
>>>
>>> linda
>>>
>>> On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
>>>
>>> *chuckle*
>>>
>>> I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but OpenSUSE's
>>> might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>>>>
>>>> Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David A. Wagle
>>> cell: 952-607-71741
>>> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 00:21:18 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 00:21:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Missing access points
Message-ID: <CABWFOjusD_Lpoacc_Gvv0_THWpRRLAczOQf+9bbDAid0g1rzvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Periodically when I start a laptop with Ubuntu 14.04 on it
there aren't any access points to select from when I click
on the wifi/networking icon.  The only way I've been able
to work around that is to reboot the system.  After that
they show up again.  Has anyone else run into that?
If so have you figured out a better way to deal with it?
TIA.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 02:14:14 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 02:14:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <54AB59F2.6070508@gmail.com>
References: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>,
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Mr. Bob, would you be able to talk with a noober like me about Slackware sometime?

I am interested in your post. Thank you for your time.

paul g

> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:43:46 -0600
> From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
> 
> On 1/5/2015 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley wrote:
> > I always like a good joke, please share?
> >
> > I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always
> > dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to
> > have gone too commercial
> >
> > So what linux do you use and why?
> 
> Home: Slackware - because it's the best
> 
> Work : Slackware - because it's the best && Centos - sometimes 
> commercial is good in commercial environments.  We also have a couple 
> Debian install at work that I like to swear at as well.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 02:24:17 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 02:24:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+OPQdV30Ydxf2_cnKWCB-Tu=RtSjr_ACM-SfH=f6ajqEg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W1382FD8733CD28307A9EB1599460@phx.gbl>

Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.

paul g

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

no.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?



Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older. 

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.

? - Happy Holidays


Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once, or always.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as previously mentioned?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for your help.

? - Happy Holidays

Paul G

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> 
> Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> time, too. That's most likely it.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux.  I run into this issue myself on
> > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it.  So, I just tell it to use the
> > old version of flash even if it is outdated.  This is on current Fedora.
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> >>
> >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  

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-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


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-- 
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 02:39:23 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 02:39:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Gentoo: not safe?
Message-ID: <BAY168-W12689FECB8FA346AE5590D99460@phx.gbl>

After I recently opened up the - Gentoo - homepage on the 1/7/2015: Gentoo Linux website. I found problems.

http://www.gentoo.org/

It kindof opened my eyes as far as 'is someone caring - looking out' I don't really think-or know if some operating system wants that kinda 'abuse'. 

Just wanted to say 'code is code' 

I really thought the pictures online of that oldschool 'Pegusus system running Gentoo' were cool.

None of the above would ever shy me away from trying to learn more about Gentoo.

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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 03:02:41 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W1382FD8733CD28307A9EB1599460@phx.gbl>
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I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest of
this email chain.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt
> now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned
> to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.
>
> paul g
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> no.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot
> of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older
> version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via
> terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my
> struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once,
> or always.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to
> use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as
> previously mentioned?
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in
> and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks
> as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that
> Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I
> ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for
> your help.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
> Paul G
>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> > Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> > time, too. That's most likely it.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux. I run into this issue myself on
> > > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it. So, I just tell it to use
> the
> > > old version of flash even if it is outdated. This is on current Fedora.
> > >
> > > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> > >>
> > >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> > >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
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>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 03:44:03 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:44:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+PdtdNj5RzFADXX9RQwqgqRSO+OZAQ=U4_+QjfOUdZMyw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W58AF00564869768369E7A599460@phx.gbl>

In the terminal: In the terminal: sudo updatedb :

: locate -w plug <--or any 'yields nothing' : locate -b plug : <--it 'yields nothing' :

So:  cd /home/paul/.mozilla/firefox/2azhcvc8.default-1415428242978/


ok. That is where 'pluginreg.dat' <--is kept.

so I open the file: -->

Generated File. Do not edit.

[HEADER]
Version:0.17:$
Arch:x86-gcc3:$

[PLUGINS]
libflashplayer.so:$
/usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so:$
11.2.202.425:$
1416535782000:0:0:0:$
Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202:$
Shockwave Flash:$
2
0:application/x-shockwave-flash:Shockwave Flash:swf:$
1:application/futuresplash:FutureSplash Player:spl:$
IcedTeaPlugin.so:$
/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so:$
:$
1397491758000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web">IcedTea-Web Plugin</a> executes Java applets.:$
IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.5 (1.5-1ubuntu1)):$
36
0:application/x-java-vm:IcedTea:class,jar:$
1:application/x-java-applet:IcedTea:class,jar:$
2:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
3:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
4:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
5:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
6:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
7:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
8:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
9:application/x-java-applet;version=1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
10:application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
11:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4:IcedTea:class,jar:$
12:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
13:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
14:application/x-java-applet;version=1.5:IcedTea:class,jar:$
15:application/x-java-applet;version=1.6:IcedTea:class,jar:$
16:application/x-java-applet;version=1.7:IcedTea:class,jar:$
17:application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.7.0_50:IcedTea:class,jar:$
18:application/x-java-bean:IcedTea:class,jar:$
19:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
20:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
21:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
22:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
23:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
24:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
25:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
26:application/x-java-bean;version=1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
27:application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
28:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4:IcedTea:class,jar:$
29:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
30:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
31:application/x-java-bean;version=1.5:IcedTea:class,jar:$
32:application/x-java-bean;version=1.6:IcedTea:class,jar:$
33:application/x-java-bean;version=1.7:IcedTea:class,jar:$
34:application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.7.0_50:IcedTea:class,jar:$
35:application/x-java-vm-npruntime:IcedTea::$
libtotem-cone-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-cone-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.:$
VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Videos 3.10.1):$
23
0:application/x-vlc-plugin:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
1:application/vlc:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
2:video/x-google-vlc-plugin:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
3:application/x-ogg:Ogg multimedia file:ogg:$
4:application/ogg:Ogg multimedia file:ogg:$
5:audio/ogg:Ogg Audio:oga:$
6:audio/x-ogg:Ogg Audio:ogg:$
7:audio/x-vorbis+ogg:Ogg Vorbis audio:ogg:$
8:video/ogg:Ogg Video:ogv:$
9:video/x-ogg:Ogg Video:ogg:$
10:video/x-theora+ogg:Ogg Theora video:ogg:$
11:application/annodex:Annodex exchange format:anx:$
12:audio/annodex:Annodex Audio:axa:$
13:video/annodex:Annodex Video:axv:$
14:video/mpeg:MPEG video:mpg, mpeg, mpe:$
15:audio/wav:WAV audio:wav:$
16:audio/x-wav:WAV audio:wav:$
17:audio/mpeg:MP3 audio:mp3:$
18:application/x-nsv-vp3-mp3:NullSoft video:nsv:$
19:video/flv:Flash video:flv:$
20:video/webm:WebM video:webm:$
21:application/x-totem-plugin:Videos multimedia plugin::$
22:audio/midi:MIDI audio:mid, midi:$
libtotem-mully-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-mully-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
DivX Web Player version 1.4.0.233:$
DivX? Web Player:$
1
0:video/divx:AVI video:divx:$
libtotem-gmp-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.:$
Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Videos):$
13
0:application/x-mplayer2:AVI video:avi, wma, wmv:$
1:video/x-ms-asf-plugin:ASF video:asf, wmv:$
2:video/x-msvideo:AVI video:asf, wmv:$
3:video/x-ms-asf:ASF video:asf:$
4:video/x-ms-wmv:Windows Media video:wmv:$
5:video/x-wmv:Windows Media video:wmv:$
6:video/x-ms-wvx:Windows Media video:wmv:$
7:video/x-ms-wm:Windows Media video:wmv:$
8:video/x-ms-wmp:Windows Media video:wmv:$
9:application/x-ms-wms:Windows Media video:wms:$
10:application/x-ms-wmp:Windows Media video:wmp:$
11:application/asx:Microsoft ASX playlist:asx:$
12:audio/x-ms-wma:Windows Media audio:wma:$
libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.:$
QuickTime Plug-in 7.6.6:$
6
0:video/quicktime:QuickTime video:mov:$
1:video/mp4:MPEG-4 video:mp4:$
2:image/x-macpaint:MacPaint Bitmap image:pntg:$
3:image/x-quicktime:Macintosh Quickdraw/PICT drawing:pict, pict1, pict2:$
4:video/x-m4v:MPEG-4 video:m4v:$
5:application/vnd.apple.mpegurl:HTTP Live Streaming playlist:m3u8:$

[INVALID]

Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a noob.

Thanks and happy new year.

paul g


Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest of this email chain.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.

paul g

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

no.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?



Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older. 

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.

? - Happy Holidays


Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once, or always.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as previously mentioned?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for your help.

? - Happy Holidays

Paul G

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> 
> Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> time, too. That's most likely it.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux.  I run into this issue myself on
> > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it.  So, I just tell it to use the
> > old version of flash even if it is outdated.  This is on current Fedora.
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> >>
> >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  

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-- 
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired



-- 
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

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-- 
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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-- 
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 04:00:39 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:00:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
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Jeff says: I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.  this is ridiculous I cannot run the latest version of flash on my Debian computer because it's Debian: Jeff can run an older version of 'Flash' not me, i'm punished. This is ridiculous. WaWa. ???. It's not right plus you treat me like a knob 'since I am sometimes' still be decent. Jeff please help.

paul g 

From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:44:03 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel




In the terminal: In the terminal: sudo updatedb :

: locate -w plug <--or any 'yields nothing' : locate -b plug : <--it 'yields nothing' :

So:  cd /home/paul/.mozilla/firefox/2azhcvc8.default-1415428242978/


ok. That is where 'pluginreg.dat' <--is kept.

so I open the file: -->

Generated File. Do not edit.

[HEADER]
Version:0.17:$
Arch:x86-gcc3:$

[PLUGINS]
libflashplayer.so:$
/usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so:$
11.2.202.425:$
1416535782000:0:0:0:$
Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202:$
Shockwave Flash:$
2
0:application/x-shockwave-flash:Shockwave Flash:swf:$
1:application/futuresplash:FutureSplash Player:spl:$
IcedTeaPlugin.so:$
/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so:$
:$
1397491758000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web">IcedTea-Web Plugin</a> executes Java applets.:$
IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.5 (1.5-1ubuntu1)):$
36
0:application/x-java-vm:IcedTea:class,jar:$
1:application/x-java-applet:IcedTea:class,jar:$
2:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
3:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
4:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
5:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
6:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
7:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
8:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
9:application/x-java-applet;version=1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
10:application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
11:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4:IcedTea:class,jar:$
12:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
13:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
14:application/x-java-applet;version=1.5:IcedTea:class,jar:$
15:application/x-java-applet;version=1.6:IcedTea:class,jar:$
16:application/x-java-applet;version=1.7:IcedTea:class,jar:$
17:application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.7.0_50:IcedTea:class,jar:$
18:application/x-java-bean:IcedTea:class,jar:$
19:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
20:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
21:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
22:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
23:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
24:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
25:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
26:application/x-java-bean;version=1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
27:application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
28:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4:IcedTea:class,jar:$
29:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
30:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
31:application/x-java-bean;version=1.5:IcedTea:class,jar:$
32:application/x-java-bean;version=1.6:IcedTea:class,jar:$
33:application/x-java-bean;version=1.7:IcedTea:class,jar:$
34:application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.7.0_50:IcedTea:class,jar:$
35:application/x-java-vm-npruntime:IcedTea::$
libtotem-cone-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-cone-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.:$
VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Videos 3.10.1):$
23
0:application/x-vlc-plugin:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
1:application/vlc:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
2:video/x-google-vlc-plugin:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
3:application/x-ogg:Ogg multimedia file:ogg:$
4:application/ogg:Ogg multimedia file:ogg:$
5:audio/ogg:Ogg Audio:oga:$
6:audio/x-ogg:Ogg Audio:ogg:$
7:audio/x-vorbis+ogg:Ogg Vorbis audio:ogg:$
8:video/ogg:Ogg Video:ogv:$
9:video/x-ogg:Ogg Video:ogg:$
10:video/x-theora+ogg:Ogg Theora video:ogg:$
11:application/annodex:Annodex exchange format:anx:$
12:audio/annodex:Annodex Audio:axa:$
13:video/annodex:Annodex Video:axv:$
14:video/mpeg:MPEG video:mpg, mpeg, mpe:$
15:audio/wav:WAV audio:wav:$
16:audio/x-wav:WAV audio:wav:$
17:audio/mpeg:MP3 audio:mp3:$
18:application/x-nsv-vp3-mp3:NullSoft video:nsv:$
19:video/flv:Flash video:flv:$
20:video/webm:WebM video:webm:$
21:application/x-totem-plugin:Videos multimedia plugin::$
22:audio/midi:MIDI audio:mid, midi:$
libtotem-mully-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-mully-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
DivX Web Player version 1.4.0.233:$
DivX? Web Player:$
1
0:video/divx:AVI video:divx:$
libtotem-gmp-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.:$
Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Videos):$
13
0:application/x-mplayer2:AVI video:avi, wma, wmv:$
1:video/x-ms-asf-plugin:ASF video:asf, wmv:$
2:video/x-msvideo:AVI video:asf, wmv:$
3:video/x-ms-asf:ASF video:asf:$
4:video/x-ms-wmv:Windows Media video:wmv:$
5:video/x-wmv:Windows Media video:wmv:$
6:video/x-ms-wvx:Windows Media video:wmv:$
7:video/x-ms-wm:Windows Media video:wmv:$
8:video/x-ms-wmp:Windows Media video:wmv:$
9:application/x-ms-wms:Windows Media video:wms:$
10:application/x-ms-wmp:Windows Media video:wmp:$
11:application/asx:Microsoft ASX playlist:asx:$
12:audio/x-ms-wma:Windows Media audio:wma:$
libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.:$
QuickTime Plug-in 7.6.6:$
6
0:video/quicktime:QuickTime video:mov:$
1:video/mp4:MPEG-4 video:mp4:$
2:image/x-macpaint:MacPaint Bitmap image:pntg:$
3:image/x-quicktime:Macintosh Quickdraw/PICT drawing:pict, pict1, pict2:$
4:video/x-m4v:MPEG-4 video:m4v:$
5:application/vnd.apple.mpegurl:HTTP Live Streaming playlist:m3u8:$

[INVALID]

Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a noob.

Thanks and happy new year.

paul g


Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest of this email chain.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.

paul g

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

no.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?



Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older. 

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.

? - Happy Holidays


Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once, or always.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as previously mentioned?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for your help.

? - Happy Holidays

Paul G

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> 
> Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> time, too. That's most likely it.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux.  I run into this issue myself on
> > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it.  So, I just tell it to use the
> > old version of flash even if it is outdated.  This is on current Fedora.
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> >>
> >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

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-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 04:06:31 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:06:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W259645C9B3D5BE64E2015699460@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W37BB5E3ED46124F87637F6995F0@phx.gbl>,
 ,,<CAJt84+Pb1dBBCD2rNFPRqqJnwPFvA3YzbDbtK84w5D93HPki-Q@mail.gmail.com>,
 ,,<BAY168-W50089CE76F92890F95856E995F0@phx.gbl>,
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 ,,<CAJt84+PdHrpdC7H4tZG8+05p83jbUKxG=PSU-Q_crpC0kTbggw@mail.gmail.com>,
 ,,<CAJCD7j63VK6TSqXtd=dp=nj8P4atk79c31rCp2BWcbeXmShwWg@mail.gmail.com>,
 ,,<CAJt84+Mn3ZRT-y==fFo88s34F4d3PKU5z9GdDG-bBAP1riMHLg@mail.gmail.com>,
 ,,<BAY168-W110CAAB686776A81DB22DD9995F0@phx.gbl>,
 ,,<CAJt84+Ok7cFJf2sZYEkGG=N-XrGpostJ_g4pngAhjk4znWH-cQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 ,,<BAY168-W110D1C8342B72E4645B54B4995F0@phx.gbl>,
 ,,<CAJt84+NN5i=nPcDeh5AN23+xwH8stm9Qrt9OCe_Rdk+pxw_-3g@mail.gmail.com>,
 ,,<CAJt84+O+7uErPko=P0++uuXZT2gV82ivYz9HnT6-mhRbxVYEQg@mail.gmail.com>,
 ,,<BAY168-W79ECB88C23A32D9D203FF8995F0@phx.gbl>,
 ,,<CAJt84+MaSJy9n4F_Ew3tG+VMGQvEZ5kyqziyp7i57brbaiVT9g@mail.gmail.com>,
 ,,<BAY168-W63A6E35F356C9E1B9E7349995F0@phx.gbl>,
 ,,<CAJt84+OPQdV30Ydxf2_cnKWCB-Tu=RtSjr,_ACM-SfH
 =f6ajqEg,@mail.gmail.com>,,<BAY168-W1382FD8733CD28307A9EB1599460@phx.gbl>,
 , , <CAJt84+PdtdNj5RzFADXX9RQwqgqRSO+OZAQ=U4_+QjfOUdZMyw@mail.gmail.com>, ,
 <BAY168-W58AF00564869768369E7A599460@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W108C0DEE3FE25193B37D9A499460@phx.gbl>

I can add to the chain gang and proudly post: here that I am running: 11.2.202.425 <--On Debian 

Slightly older this is ridiculous! Vice versa either way!

Gum Gum Gum.

?


From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:00:39 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel




Jeff says: I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.  this is ridiculous I cannot run the latest version of flash on my Debian computer because it's Debian: Jeff can run an older version of 'Flash' not me, i'm punished. This is ridiculous. WaWa. . It's not right plus you treat me like a knob 'since I am sometimes' still be decent. Jeff please help.

paul g 

From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:44:03 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel




In the terminal: In the terminal: sudo updatedb :

: locate -w plug <--or any 'yields nothing' : locate -b plug : <--it 'yields nothing' :

So:  cd /home/paul/.mozilla/firefox/2azhcvc8.default-1415428242978/


ok. That is where 'pluginreg.dat' <--is kept.

so I open the file: -->

Generated File. Do not edit.

[HEADER]
Version:0.17:$
Arch:x86-gcc3:$

[PLUGINS]
libflashplayer.so:$
/usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so:$
11.2.202.425:$
1416535782000:0:0:0:$
Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202:$
Shockwave Flash:$
2
0:application/x-shockwave-flash:Shockwave Flash:swf:$
1:application/futuresplash:FutureSplash Player:spl:$
IcedTeaPlugin.so:$
/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so:$
:$
1397491758000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web">IcedTea-Web Plugin</a> executes Java applets.:$
IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.5 (1.5-1ubuntu1)):$
36
0:application/x-java-vm:IcedTea:class,jar:$
1:application/x-java-applet:IcedTea:class,jar:$
2:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
3:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
4:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
5:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
6:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
7:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
8:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
9:application/x-java-applet;version=1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
10:application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
11:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4:IcedTea:class,jar:$
12:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
13:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
14:application/x-java-applet;version=1.5:IcedTea:class,jar:$
15:application/x-java-applet;version=1.6:IcedTea:class,jar:$
16:application/x-java-applet;version=1.7:IcedTea:class,jar:$
17:application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.7.0_50:IcedTea:class,jar:$
18:application/x-java-bean:IcedTea:class,jar:$
19:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
20:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
21:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
22:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
23:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
24:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
25:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
26:application/x-java-bean;version=1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
27:application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
28:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4:IcedTea:class,jar:$
29:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
30:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
31:application/x-java-bean;version=1.5:IcedTea:class,jar:$
32:application/x-java-bean;version=1.6:IcedTea:class,jar:$
33:application/x-java-bean;version=1.7:IcedTea:class,jar:$
34:application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.7.0_50:IcedTea:class,jar:$
35:application/x-java-vm-npruntime:IcedTea::$
libtotem-cone-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-cone-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.:$
VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Videos 3.10.1):$
23
0:application/x-vlc-plugin:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
1:application/vlc:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
2:video/x-google-vlc-plugin:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
3:application/x-ogg:Ogg multimedia file:ogg:$
4:application/ogg:Ogg multimedia file:ogg:$
5:audio/ogg:Ogg Audio:oga:$
6:audio/x-ogg:Ogg Audio:ogg:$
7:audio/x-vorbis+ogg:Ogg Vorbis audio:ogg:$
8:video/ogg:Ogg Video:ogv:$
9:video/x-ogg:Ogg Video:ogg:$
10:video/x-theora+ogg:Ogg Theora video:ogg:$
11:application/annodex:Annodex exchange format:anx:$
12:audio/annodex:Annodex Audio:axa:$
13:video/annodex:Annodex Video:axv:$
14:video/mpeg:MPEG video:mpg, mpeg, mpe:$
15:audio/wav:WAV audio:wav:$
16:audio/x-wav:WAV audio:wav:$
17:audio/mpeg:MP3 audio:mp3:$
18:application/x-nsv-vp3-mp3:NullSoft video:nsv:$
19:video/flv:Flash video:flv:$
20:video/webm:WebM video:webm:$
21:application/x-totem-plugin:Videos multimedia plugin::$
22:audio/midi:MIDI audio:mid, midi:$
libtotem-mully-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-mully-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
DivX Web Player version 1.4.0.233:$
DivX? Web Player:$
1
0:video/divx:AVI video:divx:$
libtotem-gmp-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.:$
Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Videos):$
13
0:application/x-mplayer2:AVI video:avi, wma, wmv:$
1:video/x-ms-asf-plugin:ASF video:asf, wmv:$
2:video/x-msvideo:AVI video:asf, wmv:$
3:video/x-ms-asf:ASF video:asf:$
4:video/x-ms-wmv:Windows Media video:wmv:$
5:video/x-wmv:Windows Media video:wmv:$
6:video/x-ms-wvx:Windows Media video:wmv:$
7:video/x-ms-wm:Windows Media video:wmv:$
8:video/x-ms-wmp:Windows Media video:wmv:$
9:application/x-ms-wms:Windows Media video:wms:$
10:application/x-ms-wmp:Windows Media video:wmp:$
11:application/asx:Microsoft ASX playlist:asx:$
12:audio/x-ms-wma:Windows Media audio:wma:$
libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so:$
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so:$
:$
1396360036000:0:0:0:$
The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles video and audio streams.:$
QuickTime Plug-in 7.6.6:$
6
0:video/quicktime:QuickTime video:mov:$
1:video/mp4:MPEG-4 video:mp4:$
2:image/x-macpaint:MacPaint Bitmap image:pntg:$
3:image/x-quicktime:Macintosh Quickdraw/PICT drawing:pict, pict1, pict2:$
4:video/x-m4v:MPEG-4 video:m4v:$
5:application/vnd.apple.mpegurl:HTTP Live Streaming playlist:m3u8:$

[INVALID]

Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a noob.

Thanks and happy new year.

paul g


Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest of this email chain.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.

paul g

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

no.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?



Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older. 

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.

? - Happy Holidays


Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once, or always.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as previously mentioned?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for your help.

? - Happy Holidays

Paul G

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> 
> Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> time, too. That's most likely it.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux.  I run into this issue myself on
> > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it.  So, I just tell it to use the
> > old version of flash even if it is outdated.  This is on current Fedora.
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> >>
> >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
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-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

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-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:11:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a
> noob.
>
>
You have to state what you are trying to do before anyone can help you.




> Thanks and happy new year.
>
> paul g
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest
> of this email chain.
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt
> now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned
> to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.
>
> paul g
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> no.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot
> of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older
> version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via
> terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my
> struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once,
> or always.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to
> use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as
> previously mentioned?
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in
> and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks
> as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that
> Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I
> ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for
> your help.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
> Paul G
>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> > Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> > time, too. That's most likely it.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux. I run into this issue myself on
> > > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it. So, I just tell it to use
> the
> > > old version of flash even if it is outdated. This is on current Fedora.
> > >
> > > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> > >>
> > >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> > >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>


-- 
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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 04:16:18 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:16:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
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Are you trying to update Flash on Debian? I suggest reading over the
following links:

https://wiki.debian.org/Flash
https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:00 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Jeff says: I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much
> older.  this is ridiculous I cannot run the latest version of flash on my
> Debian computer because it's Debian: Jeff can run an older version of
> 'Flash' not me, i'm punished. This is ridiculous. WaWa. [image: Emoji][image:
> Emoji][image: Emoji]. It's not right plus you treat me like a knob 'since
> I am sometimes' still be decent. Jeff please help.
>
> paul g
>
> ------------------------------
> From: pj.world at hotmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:44:03 -0600
>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> In the terminal: In the terminal: sudo updatedb :
>
> : locate -w plug <--or any 'yields nothing' : locate -b plug : <--it
> 'yields nothing' :
>
> So:  cd /home/paul/.mozilla/firefox/2azhcvc8.default-1415428242978/
>
>
> ok. That is where 'pluginreg.dat' <--is kept.
>
> so I open the file: -->
>
> Generated File. Do not edit.
>
> [HEADER]
> Version:0.17:$
> Arch:x86-gcc3:$
>
> [PLUGINS]
> libflashplayer.so:$
> /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so:$
> 11.2.202.425:$
> 1416535782000:0:0:0:$
> Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202:$
> Shockwave Flash:$
> 2
> 0:application/x-shockwave-flash:Shockwave Flash:swf:$
> 1:application/futuresplash:FutureSplash Player:spl:$
> IcedTeaPlugin.so:$
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so:$
> :$
> 1397491758000:0:0:0:$
> The <a href="http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web">IcedTea-Web
> Plugin</a> executes Java applets.:$
> IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.5 (1.5-1ubuntu1)):$
> 36
> 0:application/x-java-vm:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 1:application/x-java-applet:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 2:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 3:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 4:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 5:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 6:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 7:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 8:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 9:application/x-java-applet;version=1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 10:application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 11:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 12:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 13:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 14:application/x-java-applet;version=1.5:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 15:application/x-java-applet;version=1.6:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 16:application/x-java-applet;version=1.7:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 17:application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.7.0_50:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 18:application/x-java-bean:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 19:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 20:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 21:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 22:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 23:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 24:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 25:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 26:application/x-java-bean;version=1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 27:application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 28:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 29:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 30:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 31:application/x-java-bean;version=1.5:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 32:application/x-java-bean;version=1.6:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 33:application/x-java-bean;version=1.7:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 34:application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.7.0_50:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 35:application/x-java-vm-npruntime:IcedTea::$
> libtotem-cone-plugin.so:$
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-cone-plugin.so:$
> :$
> 1396360036000:0:0:0:$
> The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles
> video and audio streams.:$
> VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Videos 3.10.1):$
> 23
> 0:application/x-vlc-plugin:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
> 1:application/vlc:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
> 2:video/x-google-vlc-plugin:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
> 3:application/x-ogg:Ogg multimedia file:ogg:$
> 4:application/ogg:Ogg multimedia file:ogg:$
> 5:audio/ogg:Ogg Audio:oga:$
> 6:audio/x-ogg:Ogg Audio:ogg:$
> 7:audio/x-vorbis+ogg:Ogg Vorbis audio:ogg:$
> 8:video/ogg:Ogg Video:ogv:$
> 9:video/x-ogg:Ogg Video:ogg:$
> 10:video/x-theora+ogg:Ogg Theora video:ogg:$
> 11:application/annodex:Annodex exchange format:anx:$
> 12:audio/annodex:Annodex Audio:axa:$
> 13:video/annodex:Annodex Video:axv:$
> 14:video/mpeg:MPEG video:mpg, mpeg, mpe:$
> 15:audio/wav:WAV audio:wav:$
> 16:audio/x-wav:WAV audio:wav:$
> 17:audio/mpeg:MP3 audio:mp3:$
> 18:application/x-nsv-vp3-mp3:NullSoft video:nsv:$
> 19:video/flv:Flash video:flv:$
> 20:video/webm:WebM video:webm:$
> 21:application/x-totem-plugin:Videos multimedia plugin::$
> 22:audio/midi:MIDI audio:mid, midi:$
> libtotem-mully-plugin.so:$
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-mully-plugin.so:$
> :$
> 1396360036000:0:0:0:$
> DivX Web Player version 1.4.0.233:$
> DivX? Web Player:$
> 1
> 0:video/divx:AVI video:divx:$
> libtotem-gmp-plugin.so:$
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so:$
> :$
> 1396360036000:0:0:0:$
> The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles
> video and audio streams.:$
> Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Videos):$
> 13
> 0:application/x-mplayer2:AVI video:avi, wma, wmv:$
> 1:video/x-ms-asf-plugin:ASF video:asf, wmv:$
> 2:video/x-msvideo:AVI video:asf, wmv:$
> 3:video/x-ms-asf:ASF video:asf:$
> 4:video/x-ms-wmv:Windows Media video:wmv:$
> 5:video/x-wmv:Windows Media video:wmv:$
> 6:video/x-ms-wvx:Windows Media video:wmv:$
> 7:video/x-ms-wm:Windows Media video:wmv:$
> 8:video/x-ms-wmp:Windows Media video:wmv:$
> 9:application/x-ms-wms:Windows Media video:wms:$
> 10:application/x-ms-wmp:Windows Media video:wmp:$
> 11:application/asx:Microsoft ASX playlist:asx:$
> 12:audio/x-ms-wma:Windows Media audio:wma:$
> libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so:$
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so:$
> :$
> 1396360036000:0:0:0:$
> The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles
> video and audio streams.:$
> QuickTime Plug-in 7.6.6:$
> 6
> 0:video/quicktime:QuickTime video:mov:$
> 1:video/mp4:MPEG-4 video:mp4:$
> 2:image/x-macpaint:MacPaint Bitmap image:pntg:$
> 3:image/x-quicktime:Macintosh Quickdraw/PICT drawing:pict, pict1, pict2:$
> 4:video/x-m4v:MPEG-4 video:m4v:$
> 5:application/vnd.apple.mpegurl:HTTP Live Streaming playlist:m3u8:$
>
> [INVALID]
>
> Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a
> noob.
>
> Thanks and happy new year.
>
> paul g
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest
> of this email chain.
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt
> now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned
> to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.
>
> paul g
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> no.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot
> of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older
> version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via
> terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my
> struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once,
> or always.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to
> use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as
> previously mentioned?
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in
> and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks
> as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that
> Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I
> ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for
> your help.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
> Paul G
>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> > Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> > time, too. That's most likely it.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux. I run into this issue myself on
> > > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it. So, I just tell it to use
> the
> > > old version of flash even if it is outdated. This is on current Fedora.
> > >
> > > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> > >>
> > >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> > >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:16:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
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.... what?

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:06 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I can add to the chain gang and proudly post: here that I am running:
> 11.2.202.425 <--On Debian
>
> Slightly older this is ridiculous! Vice versa either way!
>
> Gum Gum Gum.
>
> [image: Emoji]
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: pj.world at hotmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:00:39 -0600
>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> Jeff says: I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much
> older.  this is ridiculous I cannot run the latest version of flash on my
> Debian computer because it's Debian: Jeff can run an older version of
> 'Flash' not me, i'm punished. This is ridiculous. WaWa. [image: Emoji][image:
> Emoji][image: Emoji]. It's not right plus you treat me like a knob 'since
> I am sometimes' still be decent. Jeff please help.
>
> paul g
>
> ------------------------------
> From: pj.world at hotmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:44:03 -0600
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> In the terminal: In the terminal: sudo updatedb :
>
> : locate -w plug <--or any 'yields nothing' : locate -b plug : <--it
> 'yields nothing' :
>
> So:  cd /home/paul/.mozilla/firefox/2azhcvc8.default-1415428242978/
>
>
> ok. That is where 'pluginreg.dat' <--is kept.
>
> so I open the file: -->
>
> Generated File. Do not edit.
>
> [HEADER]
> Version:0.17:$
> Arch:x86-gcc3:$
>
> [PLUGINS]
> libflashplayer.so:$
> /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so:$
> 11.2.202.425:$
> 1416535782000:0:0:0:$
> Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202:$
> Shockwave Flash:$
> 2
> 0:application/x-shockwave-flash:Shockwave Flash:swf:$
> 1:application/futuresplash:FutureSplash Player:spl:$
> IcedTeaPlugin.so:$
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so:$
> :$
> 1397491758000:0:0:0:$
> The <a href="http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web">IcedTea-Web
> Plugin</a> executes Java applets.:$
> IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.5 (1.5-1ubuntu1)):$
> 36
> 0:application/x-java-vm:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 1:application/x-java-applet:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 2:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 3:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 4:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 5:application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 6:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 7:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 8:application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 9:application/x-java-applet;version=1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 10:application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 11:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 12:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 13:application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 14:application/x-java-applet;version=1.5:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 15:application/x-java-applet;version=1.6:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 16:application/x-java-applet;version=1.7:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 17:application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.7.0_50:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 18:application/x-java-bean:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 19:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 20:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 21:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 22:application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 23:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 24:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 25:application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 26:application/x-java-bean;version=1.3:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 27:application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 28:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 29:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 30:application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 31:application/x-java-bean;version=1.5:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 32:application/x-java-bean;version=1.6:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 33:application/x-java-bean;version=1.7:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 34:application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.7.0_50:IcedTea:class,jar:$
> 35:application/x-java-vm-npruntime:IcedTea::$
> libtotem-cone-plugin.so:$
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-cone-plugin.so:$
> :$
> 1396360036000:0:0:0:$
> The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles
> video and audio streams.:$
> VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Videos 3.10.1):$
> 23
> 0:application/x-vlc-plugin:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
> 1:application/vlc:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
> 2:video/x-google-vlc-plugin:VLC Multimedia Plugin::$
> 3:application/x-ogg:Ogg multimedia file:ogg:$
> 4:application/ogg:Ogg multimedia file:ogg:$
> 5:audio/ogg:Ogg Audio:oga:$
> 6:audio/x-ogg:Ogg Audio:ogg:$
> 7:audio/x-vorbis+ogg:Ogg Vorbis audio:ogg:$
> 8:video/ogg:Ogg Video:ogv:$
> 9:video/x-ogg:Ogg Video:ogg:$
> 10:video/x-theora+ogg:Ogg Theora video:ogg:$
> 11:application/annodex:Annodex exchange format:anx:$
> 12:audio/annodex:Annodex Audio:axa:$
> 13:video/annodex:Annodex Video:axv:$
> 14:video/mpeg:MPEG video:mpg, mpeg, mpe:$
> 15:audio/wav:WAV audio:wav:$
> 16:audio/x-wav:WAV audio:wav:$
> 17:audio/mpeg:MP3 audio:mp3:$
> 18:application/x-nsv-vp3-mp3:NullSoft video:nsv:$
> 19:video/flv:Flash video:flv:$
> 20:video/webm:WebM video:webm:$
> 21:application/x-totem-plugin:Videos multimedia plugin::$
> 22:audio/midi:MIDI audio:mid, midi:$
> libtotem-mully-plugin.so:$
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-mully-plugin.so:$
> :$
> 1396360036000:0:0:0:$
> DivX Web Player version 1.4.0.233:$
> DivX? Web Player:$
> 1
> 0:video/divx:AVI video:divx:$
> libtotem-gmp-plugin.so:$
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so:$
> :$
> 1396360036000:0:0:0:$
> The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles
> video and audio streams.:$
> Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Videos):$
> 13
> 0:application/x-mplayer2:AVI video:avi, wma, wmv:$
> 1:video/x-ms-asf-plugin:ASF video:asf, wmv:$
> 2:video/x-msvideo:AVI video:asf, wmv:$
> 3:video/x-ms-asf:ASF video:asf:$
> 4:video/x-ms-wmv:Windows Media video:wmv:$
> 5:video/x-wmv:Windows Media video:wmv:$
> 6:video/x-ms-wvx:Windows Media video:wmv:$
> 7:video/x-ms-wm:Windows Media video:wmv:$
> 8:video/x-ms-wmp:Windows Media video:wmv:$
> 9:application/x-ms-wms:Windows Media video:wms:$
> 10:application/x-ms-wmp:Windows Media video:wmp:$
> 11:application/asx:Microsoft ASX playlist:asx:$
> 12:audio/x-ms-wma:Windows Media audio:wma:$
> libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so:$
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so:$
> :$
> 1396360036000:0:0:0:$
> The <a href="http://www.gnome.org/">Videos</a> 3.10.1 plugin handles
> video and audio streams.:$
> QuickTime Plug-in 7.6.6:$
> 6
> 0:video/quicktime:QuickTime video:mov:$
> 1:video/mp4:MPEG-4 video:mp4:$
> 2:image/x-macpaint:MacPaint Bitmap image:pntg:$
> 3:image/x-quicktime:Macintosh Quickdraw/PICT drawing:pict, pict1, pict2:$
> 4:video/x-m4v:MPEG-4 video:m4v:$
> 5:application/vnd.apple.mpegurl:HTTP Live Streaming playlist:m3u8:$
>
> [INVALID]
>
> Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a
> noob.
>
> Thanks and happy new year.
>
> paul g
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest
> of this email chain.
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt
> now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned
> to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.
>
> paul g
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> no.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot
> of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older
> version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via
> terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my
> struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once,
> or always.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to
> use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as
> previously mentioned?
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in
> and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks
> as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that
> Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I
> ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for
> your help.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
> Paul G
>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> > Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> > time, too. That's most likely it.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux. I run into this issue myself on
> > > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it. So, I just tell it to use
> the
> > > old version of flash even if it is outdated. This is on current Fedora.
> > >
> > > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> > >>
> > >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> > >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 04:30:53 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:30:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+NN5DBXZdH6yd6n5vw7ua2MdjQFBbAGdveGptuRiEh55A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W37BB5E3ED46124F87637F6995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+Pb1dBBCD2rNFPRqqJnwPFvA3YzbDbtK84w5D93HPki-Q@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W50089CE76F92890F95856E995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+MV+GgYzMYV+sD3KQOCDg2_DOs2ACbtPiKNFtXfJc37kQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W4817CDA10B02F752964D71995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+PdHrpdC7H4tZG8+05p83jbUKxG=PSU-Q_crpC0kTbggw@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAJCD7j63VK6TSqXtd=dp=nj8P4atk79c31rCp2BWcbeXmShwWg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAJt84+Mn3ZRT-y==fFo88s34F4d3PKU5z9GdDG-bBAP1riMHLg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W110CAAB686776A81DB22DD9995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+Ok7cFJf2sZYEkGG=N-XrGpostJ_g4pngAhjk4znWH-cQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W110D1C8342B72E4645B54B4995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+NN5i=nPcDeh5AN23+xwH8stm9Qrt9OCe_Rdk+pxw_-3g@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAJt84+O+7uErPko=P0++uuXZT2gV82ivYz9HnT6-mhRbxVYEQg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W79ECB88C23A32D9D203FF8995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+MaSJy9n4F_Ew3tG+VMGQvEZ5kyqziyp7i57brbaiVT9g@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W63A6E35F356C9E1B9E7349995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W1382FD8733CD28307A9EB1599460@phx.gbl>, <CAJt
 84+PdtdNj5RzFADXX9RQwqgqRSO+OZAQ=U4_+QjfOUdZMyw@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W58AF00564869768369E7A599460@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+NN5DBXZdH6yd6n5vw7ua2MdjQFBbAGdveGptuRiEh55A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W1DD44FA84E89849EFED2C99460@phx.gbl>

I am trying to play 'old music videos' - via - 'youtube' on Linux-Mint17-Mate with kernel -3.14.13-031413-generic-under-firefox 34.0' Currently I have the 11.2.202.425 flash installed. The HTML5 Google player makes Firefox 34.0' crash after 2-3 songs if that. I think it may be something to do with Cisco systems video Codec. Sorry to ask such a dumb question. Thank you for your time. 

0. problem--> I am trying to play 'all kinds of' music videos via youtube on my linuxmint computer.

paul g 

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:11:39 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a noob.


You have to state what you are trying to do before anyone can help you.


 Thanks and happy new year.

paul g


Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest of this email chain.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.

paul g

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

no.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?



Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older. 

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.

? - Happy Holidays


Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once, or always.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as previously mentioned?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for your help.

? - Happy Holidays

Paul G

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> 
> Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> time, too. That's most likely it.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux.  I run into this issue myself on
> > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it.  So, I just tell it to use the
> > old version of flash even if it is outdated.  This is on current Fedora.
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> >>
> >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  
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From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 08:00:05 2015
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 08:00:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W24F062EFC5D794256384B099460@phx.gbl>
References: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501051319540.9960@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 <CAJdTJyNH7-jqq75axSWecWOS=RioTw3wXnTB+VVPiOZFKQqjzw@mail.gmail.com>,
 <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>,
 <54AB59F2.6070508@gmail.com> <BAY168-W24F062EFC5D794256384B099460@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54AD3BE5.5030309@gmail.com>

On 1/7/2015 2:14 AM, paul g wrote:
> Mr. Bob, would you be able to talk with a noober like me about Slackware
> sometime?
>
> I am interested in your post. Thank you for your time.
>

Yes.I would be happy to talk about Slackware with you.


From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 09:10:03 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 09:10:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W1DD44FA84E89849EFED2C99460@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W37BB5E3ED46124F87637F6995F0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+Pb1dBBCD2rNFPRqqJnwPFvA3YzbDbtK84w5D93HPki-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W50089CE76F92890F95856E995F0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+MV+GgYzMYV+sD3KQOCDg2_DOs2ACbtPiKNFtXfJc37kQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W4817CDA10B02F752964D71995F0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+PdHrpdC7H4tZG8+05p83jbUKxG=PSU-Q_crpC0kTbggw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJCD7j63VK6TSqXtd=dp=nj8P4atk79c31rCp2BWcbeXmShwWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJt84+Mn3ZRT-y==fFo88s34F4d3PKU5z9GdDG-bBAP1riMHLg@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W110CAAB686776A81DB22DD9995F0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+Ok7cFJf2sZYEkGG=N-XrGpostJ_g4pngAhjk4znWH-cQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W110D1C8342B72E4645B54B4995F0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+NN5i=nPcDeh5AN23+xwH8stm9Qrt9OCe_Rdk+pxw_-3g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJt84+O+7uErPko=P0++uuXZT2gV82ivYz9HnT6-mhRbxVYEQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W79ECB88C23A32D9D203FF8995F0@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+MaSJy9n4F_Ew3tG+VMGQvEZ5kyqziyp7i57brbaiVT9g@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W63A6E35F356C9E1B9E7349995F0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W1382FD8733CD28307A9EB1599460@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W58AF00564869768369E7A599460@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+NN5DBXZdH6yd6n5vw7ua2MdjQFBbAGdveGptuRiEh55A@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W1DD44FA84E89849EFED2C99460@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+PCOfWXqUDd8ymp0Z0AHpbpA0QQoYHN4DotKifRhxO2Kw@mail.gmail.com>

Did you install flashplugin-nonfree via apt? Is it the latest version
provided by Mint?

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I am trying to play 'old music videos' - via - 'youtube' on
> Linux-Mint17-Mate with kernel -3.14.13-031413-generic-under-firefox 34.0'
> Currently I have the 11.2.202.425 flash installed. The HTML5 Google player
> makes Firefox 34.0' crash after 2-3 songs if that. I think it may be
> something to do with Cisco systems video Codec. Sorry to ask such a dumb
> question. Thank you for your time.
>
> 0. problem--> I am trying to play 'all kinds of' music videos via youtube
> on my linuxmint computer.
>
> paul g
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:11:39 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a
> noob.
>
>
> You have to state what you are trying to do before anyone can help you.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks and happy new year.
>
> paul g
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest
> of this email chain.
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt
> now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned
> to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.
>
> paul g
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> no.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot
> of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older
> version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via
> terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my
> struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once,
> or always.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to
> use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as
> previously mentioned?
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in
> and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks
> as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that
> Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I
> ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for
> your help.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
> Paul G
>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> > Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> > time, too. That's most likely it.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux. I run into this issue myself on
> > > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it. So, I just tell it to use
> the
> > > old version of flash even if it is outdated. This is on current Fedora.
> > >
> > > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> > >>
> > >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> > >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
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> --
> Jeff Chapin
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> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
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President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Wed Jan  7 09:31:34 2015
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:31:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Missing access points
Message-ID: <8caujwvruasql3jpkoayjlt5.1420644558992@email.android.com>

I don't and I'm using mint 17 which is based on 14.04. Historically laptops resuming from sleep/suspend have been more problematic than off. Are you starting your laptop from off or from sleep??

What does "iwlist wlan0 scan" give you??

<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> </div><div>Date:01/07/2015  12:21 AM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: tclug-list <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> </div><div>Subject: [tclug-list] Missing access points </div><div>
</div>Periodically when I start a laptop with Ubuntu 14.04 on it
there aren't any access points to select from when I click
on the wifi/networking icon.  The only way I've been able
to work around that is to reboot the system.  After that
they show up again.  Has anyone else run into that?
If so have you figured out a better way to deal with it?
TIA.

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From kenlynes at usa.net  Wed Jan  7 09:49:57 2015
From: kenlynes at usa.net (Kenneth Lynes)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:49:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Anti Unity but liked Ubuntu best
Message-ID: <873TagPW63264S07.1420645797@web07.cms.usa.net>

Hi guys,
I am perplexed lately as to what version of Linux to use. I hated the Unity
desktop and wanted to keep Ubuntu as I really liked it before that change. I
know that underneath it was the same as before and would work best for me, but
I wanted my familiar menu back. 
It seems there was some attempt to keep it intact and there was a short time
when on the next update to Ubuntu, the classic look was made available. But
later on this seemed to disappear and I went over to Mint as it seemed to me
that it was the closest thing to having Ubuntu. I think it used the same
repository, but not sure about that.

My issues have been only that the video ability of linux lags behind so much
from what my extremely hated Microsoft would enable me to use. I used nero
linux for a while last year until my paid for install suddenly would not run
and said it was expired. I bought the app from Nero and they did not say it
would end or only be good for one year. I digress a bit talking about that and
I will have to see if Nero will still honor my version of the program now.
But I would have to use some video conversion programs only available on MS
and kept hoping there would be some progress in the video realm with linux,
but it seems to have stalled or even gotten worse now. Does anyone in the
linux field care if they can deal with the videos in an equal way being done
in MS world?

Number two issue is the NDAS open source code is available to use in whatever
way is wanted and is given away I am told. No one with ability to fix it does
anything with it so I have to use a windows computer to use the windows
version to see my ndas drives and then use some kind of network windows shared
for my linux computer to see them.
I like the ndas idea as I can have drives on my network which do not have an
address as such and can not be seen from outside the network. Only computers
in the network can see them as they are addressed by the ndas software. 

I want to get rid of all my windows machines, but the lack of doing some of
these things in linux is stopping me. I am not good at the command line now
days. I am getting a bit old and cant remember the various commands easily. So
I rely on the GUI and it is not doing much for me. 

Also, just to comment on the previous days postings about which linux variety
is used and liked most. I want to stay with Ubuntu so is there a way to do it
better than using Mint? 
I think it was great to see which distros guys with real expertise were using.
I will read a lot of those postings again. Perhaps we could have a meeting
dedicated to this topic and extoll the virtues of the various distros?

Thanks for any advice you may give me.
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> From: B-o-B De Mars <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
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> On 1/7/2015 2:14 AM, paul g wrote:
> > Mr. Bob, would you be able to talk with a noober like me about Slackware
> > sometime?
> >
> > I am interested in your post. Thank you for your time.
> >
> 
> Yes.I would be happy to talk about Slackware with you.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 09:10:03 -0600
> From: Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAJt84+PCOfWXqUDd8ymp0Z0AHpbpA0QQoYHN4DotKifRhxO2Kw at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> Did you install flashplugin-nonfree via apt? Is it the latest version
> provided by Mint?
> 
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to play 'old music videos' - via - 'youtube' on
> > Linux-Mint17-Mate with kernel -3.14.13-031413-generic-under-firefox 34.0'
> > Currently I have the 11.2.202.425 flash installed. The HTML5 Google
player
> > makes Firefox 34.0' crash after 2-3 songs if that. I think it may be
> > something to do with Cisco systems video Codec. Sorry to ask such a dumb
> > question. Thank you for your time.
> >
> > 0. problem--> I am trying to play 'all kinds of' music videos via youtube
> > on my linuxmint computer.
> >
> > paul g
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:11:39 -0600
> >
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a
> > noob.
> >
> >
> > You have to state what you are trying to do before anyone can help you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks and happy new year.
> >
> > paul g
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
> >
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> > I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest
> > of this email chain.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt
> > now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof
learned
> > to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.
> >
> > paul g
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
> >
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> > no.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
> >
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> > I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot
> > of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older
> > version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version
via
> > terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my
> > struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.
> >
> > [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
> >
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> > You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once,
> > or always.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to
> > use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
> >
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> > Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as
> > previously mentioned?
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged
in
> > and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks
> > as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though
that
> > Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could
I
> > ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for
> > your help.
> >
> > [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
> >
> > Paul G
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > >
> > > Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> > > time, too. That's most likely it.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux. I run into this issue myself
on
> > > > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it. So, I just tell it to use
> > the
> > > > old version of flash even if it is outdated. This is on current
Fedora.
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to
none.
> > > >>
> > > >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player,
I
> > > >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
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> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
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> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Jan  7 10:03:19 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 10:03:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Anti Unity but liked Ubuntu best
In-Reply-To: <873TagPW63264S07.1420645797@web07.cms.usa.net>
References: <873TagPW63264S07.1420645797@web07.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501071002320.12379@cockerel.yaron.org>

I didn't read your entire message, but I believe you can still install the 
old desktop environment with Ubuntu. Barring that, Mint is basically 
Ubuntu and there are various different desktop-related distributions - 
Cinnamon, MATE, etc. Look into those!

On Wed, 7 Jan 2015, Kenneth Lynes wrote:

> Hi guys,
> I am perplexed lately as to what version of Linux to use. I hated the Unity
> desktop and wanted to keep Ubuntu as I really liked it before that change. I
> know that underneath it was the same as before and would work best for me, but
> I wanted my familiar menu back.
> It seems there was some attempt to keep it intact and there was a short time
> when on the next update to Ubuntu, the classic look was made available. But
> later on this seemed to disappear and I went over to Mint as it seemed to me
> that it was the closest thing to having Ubuntu. I think it used the same
> repository, but not sure about that.
>
> My issues have been only that the video ability of linux lags behind so much
> from what my extremely hated Microsoft would enable me to use. I used nero
> linux for a while last year until my paid for install suddenly would not run
> and said it was expired. I bought the app from Nero and they did not say it
> would end or only be good for one year. I digress a bit talking about that and
> I will have to see if Nero will still honor my version of the program now.
> But I would have to use some video conversion programs only available on MS
> and kept hoping there would be some progress in the video realm with linux,
> but it seems to have stalled or even gotten worse now. Does anyone in the
> linux field care if they can deal with the videos in an equal way being done
> in MS world?
>
> Number two issue is the NDAS open source code is available to use in whatever
> way is wanted and is given away I am told. No one with ability to fix it does
> anything with it so I have to use a windows computer to use the windows
> version to see my ndas drives and then use some kind of network windows shared
> for my linux computer to see them.
> I like the ndas idea as I can have drives on my network which do not have an
> address as such and can not be seen from outside the network. Only computers
> in the network can see them as they are addressed by the ndas software.
>
> I want to get rid of all my windows machines, but the lack of doing some of
> these things in linux is stopping me. I am not good at the command line now
> days. I am getting a bit old and cant remember the various commands easily. So
> I rely on the GUI and it is not doing much for me.
>
> Also, just to comment on the previous days postings about which linux variety
> is used and liked most. I want to stay with Ubuntu so is there a way to do it
> better than using Mint?
> I think it was great to see which distros guys with real expertise were using.
> I will read a lot of those postings again. Perhaps we could have a meeting
> dedicated to this topic and extoll the virtues of the various distros?
>
> Thanks for any advice you may give me.
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:11:12 AM CST
> From: tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 121, Issue 49
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>>    1. Re: Which linux do you use? (B-o-B De Mars)
>>    2. Re: html5 on 3.13.etc kernel (Jeff Chapin)
>>
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 08:00:05 -0600
>> From: B-o-B De Mars <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com>
>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
>> Message-ID: <54AD3BE5.5030309 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> On 1/7/2015 2:14 AM, paul g wrote:
>>> Mr. Bob, would you be able to talk with a noober like me about Slackware
>>> sometime?
>>>
>>> I am interested in your post. Thank you for your time.
>>>
>>
>> Yes.I would be happy to talk about Slackware with you.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 09:10:03 -0600
>> From: Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com>
>> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CAJt84+PCOfWXqUDd8ymp0Z0AHpbpA0QQoYHN4DotKifRhxO2Kw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Did you install flashplugin-nonfree via apt? Is it the latest version
>> provided by Mint?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am trying to play 'old music videos' - via - 'youtube' on
>>> Linux-Mint17-Mate with kernel -3.14.13-031413-generic-under-firefox 34.0'
>>> Currently I have the 11.2.202.425 flash installed. The HTML5 Google
> player
>>> makes Firefox 34.0' crash after 2-3 songs if that. I think it may be
>>> something to do with Cisco systems video Codec. Sorry to ask such a dumb
>>> question. Thank you for your time.
>>>
>>> 0. problem--> I am trying to play 'all kinds of' music videos via youtube
>>> on my linuxmint computer.
>>>
>>> paul g
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:11:39 -0600
>>>
>>> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a
>>> noob.
>>>
>>>
>>> You have to state what you are trying to do before anyone can help you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks and happy new year.
>>>
>>> paul g
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
>>>
>>> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest
>>> of this email chain.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt
>>> now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof
> learned
>>> to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.
>>>
>>> paul g
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
>>>
>>> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>>>
>>> no.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
>>>
>>> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>>>
>>> I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot
>>> of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older
>>> version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version
> via
>>> terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my
>>> struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.
>>>
>>> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
>>>
>>> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>>>
>>> You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once,
>>> or always.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to
>>> use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
>>>
>>> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>>>
>>> Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as
>>> previously mentioned?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged
> in
>>> and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks
>>> as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though
> that
>>> Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could
> I
>>> ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for
>>> your help.
>>>
>>> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>>>
>>> Paul G
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
>>>> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>>>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>>>>
>>>> Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
>>>> time, too. That's most likely it.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>> I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux. I run into this issue myself
> on
>>>>> YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it. So, I just tell it to use
>>> the
>>>>> old version of flash even if it is outdated. This is on current
> Fedora.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to
> none.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player,
> I
>>>>>> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> --
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>>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>>> President, UNI Scuba Club
>>> Senator, NISG, retired
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeff Chapin
>>> President, CedarLug, retired
>>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>>> President, UNI Scuba Club
>>> Senator, NISG, retired
>>>
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>>> --
>>> Jeff Chapin
>>> President, CedarLug, retired
>>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>>> President, UNI Scuba Club
>>> Senator, NISG, retired
>>>
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>>> --
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>>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
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From joel.longanecker at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 10:05:28 2015
From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 10:05:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Anti Unity but liked Ubuntu best
In-Reply-To: <873TagPW63264S07.1420645797@web07.cms.usa.net>
References: <873TagPW63264S07.1420645797@web07.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <CAOusT-9tVuEsvYLm-yTtyMm=oWsv-Rw35SANm=VkEoSJQdqc2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Check out gnome flashback session if you really cant stand unity.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/ubuntu-14-04-classic-gnome-flashback-session

Are you using nero for dvd burning or editing movies?

You can use dvd-styler ( http://www.dvdstyler.org/en/ ) to create menus,
etc.

Brasero Disk Burner also comes default with Ubuntu.



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Kenneth Lynes <kenlynes at usa.net> wrote:

> Hi guys,
> I am perplexed lately as to what version of Linux to use. I hated the Unity
> desktop and wanted to keep Ubuntu as I really liked it before that change.
> I
> know that underneath it was the same as before and would work best for me,
> but
> I wanted my familiar menu back.
> It seems there was some attempt to keep it intact and there was a short
> time
> when on the next update to Ubuntu, the classic look was made available. But
> later on this seemed to disappear and I went over to Mint as it seemed to
> me
> that it was the closest thing to having Ubuntu. I think it used the same
> repository, but not sure about that.
>
> My issues have been only that the video ability of linux lags behind so
> much
> from what my extremely hated Microsoft would enable me to use. I used nero
> linux for a while last year until my paid for install suddenly would not
> run
> and said it was expired. I bought the app from Nero and they did not say it
> would end or only be good for one year. I digress a bit talking about that
> and
> I will have to see if Nero will still honor my version of the program now.
> But I would have to use some video conversion programs only available on MS
> and kept hoping there would be some progress in the video realm with linux,
> but it seems to have stalled or even gotten worse now. Does anyone in the
> linux field care if they can deal with the videos in an equal way being
> done
> in MS world?
>
> Number two issue is the NDAS open source code is available to use in
> whatever
> way is wanted and is given away I am told. No one with ability to fix it
> does
> anything with it so I have to use a windows computer to use the windows
> version to see my ndas drives and then use some kind of network windows
> shared
> for my linux computer to see them.
> I like the ndas idea as I can have drives on my network which do not have
> an
> address as such and can not be seen from outside the network. Only
> computers
> in the network can see them as they are addressed by the ndas software.
>
> I want to get rid of all my windows machines, but the lack of doing some of
> these things in linux is stopping me. I am not good at the command line now
> days. I am getting a bit old and cant remember the various commands
> easily. So
> I rely on the GUI and it is not doing much for me.
>
> Also, just to comment on the previous days postings about which linux
> variety
> is used and liked most. I want to stay with Ubuntu so is there a way to do
> it
> better than using Mint?
> I think it was great to see which distros guys with real expertise were
> using.
> I will read a lot of those postings again. Perhaps we could have a meeting
> dedicated to this topic and extoll the virtues of the various distros?
>
> Thanks for any advice you may give me.
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:11:12 AM CST
> From: tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 121, Issue 49
>
> > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: Which linux do you use? (B-o-B De Mars)
> >    2. Re: html5 on 3.13.etc kernel (Jeff Chapin)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 08:00:05 -0600
> > From: B-o-B De Mars <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com>
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
> > Message-ID: <54AD3BE5.5030309 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >
> > On 1/7/2015 2:14 AM, paul g wrote:
> > > Mr. Bob, would you be able to talk with a noober like me about
> Slackware
> > > sometime?
> > >
> > > I am interested in your post. Thank you for your time.
> > >
> >
> > Yes.I would be happy to talk about Slackware with you.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 09:10:03 -0600
> > From: Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com>
> > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > Message-ID:
> >       <
> CAJt84+PCOfWXqUDd8ymp0Z0AHpbpA0QQoYHN4DotKifRhxO2Kw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Did you install flashplugin-nonfree via apt? Is it the latest version
> > provided by Mint?
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I am trying to play 'old music videos' - via - 'youtube' on
> > > Linux-Mint17-Mate with kernel -3.14.13-031413-generic-under-firefox
> 34.0'
> > > Currently I have the 11.2.202.425 flash installed. The HTML5 Google
> player
> > > makes Firefox 34.0' crash after 2-3 songs if that. I think it may be
> > > something to do with Cisco systems video Codec. Sorry to ask such a
> dumb
> > > question. Thank you for your time.
> > >
> > > 0. problem--> I am trying to play 'all kinds of' music videos via
> youtube
> > > on my linuxmint computer.
> > >
> > > paul g
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:11:39 -0600
> > >
> > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being
> a
> > > noob.
> > >
> > >
> > > You have to state what you are trying to do before anyone can help you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks and happy new year.
> > >
> > > paul g
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
> > >
> > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the
> rest
> > > of this email chain.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in
> /opt
> > > now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof
> learned
> > > to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.
> > >
> > > paul g
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
> > >
> > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > >
> > > no.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
> > >
> > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > >
> > > I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a
> screenshot
> > > of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an
> older
> > > version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version
> via
> > > terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my
> > > struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.
> > >
> > > [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
> > >
> > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > >
> > > You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either
> once,
> > > or always.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to
> > > use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
> > >
> > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > >
> > > Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as
> > > previously mentioned?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged
> in
> > > and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It
> looks
> > > as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though
> that
> > > Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning.
> Could
> I
> > > ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks
> for
> > > your help.
> > >
> > > [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
> > >
> > > Paul G
> > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> > > > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> > > >
> > > > Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite
> some
> > > > time, too. That's most likely it.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux. I run into this issue
> myself
> on
> > > > > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it. So, I just tell it to
> use
> > > the
> > > > > old version of flash even if it is outdated. This is on current
> Fedora.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to
> none.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5
> player,
> I
> > > > >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jeff Chapin
> > > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Chapin
> > > President, CedarLug, retired
> > > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > > Senator, NISG, retired
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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> >
> >
> > --
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Jan  7 10:17:31 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 10:17:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Anti Unity but liked Ubuntu best
In-Reply-To: <CAOusT-9tVuEsvYLm-yTtyMm=oWsv-Rw35SANm=VkEoSJQdqc2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <873TagPW63264S07.1420645797@web07.cms.usa.net>
 <CAOusT-9tVuEsvYLm-yTtyMm=oWsv-Rw35SANm=VkEoSJQdqc2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501071015290.12379@cockerel.yaron.org>

I should mention - my Ubuntu Desktop boots to text-mode console, and I 
start X manually if I want to (which, frankly, is 99% of the time). So 
yeah, I'm one of the few people who still have a functioning ~/.xinitrc (;

I've been using Window Maker since. Well, the 1990s. No plans on 
switching. I occasionally play with Gnome or KDE or Unity but meh. Always 
come back.

From trieff at greencaremankato.com  Wed Jan  7 10:34:45 2015
From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 10:34:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux DVR
Message-ID: <1245431729.507909.1420648485250.JavaMail.zimbra@greencaremankato.com>

What is available in a linux dvr software and capture card??? 
I have used mythtv in the past, curious if there is anything new??? 
With the change from off the air to Cable TV boxes, are there capture cards that will accept HDMI inputs??? 

Thomas Rieff 
GreenCare 
1717 3rd Avenue 
Mankato, MN 56001 
(507) 344-8314 Office 
(507) 344-8316 Fax 
(507) 381-0660 Cell 
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Jan  7 11:07:11 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 11:07:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux DVR
In-Reply-To: <1245431729.507909.1420648485250.JavaMail.zimbra@greencaremankato.com>
References: <1245431729.507909.1420648485250.JavaMail.zimbra@greencaremankato.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501071105470.12379@cockerel.yaron.org>

I'm still using an ancient version of MythTV as my main media center 
software. After version 0.24, they kind of destroyed MythMusic, and I just 
can't put up with it.

As far as I know, Myth is the only guy with built-in capture card support.

XBMC/Kodi is out there, too, but I'm not sure how much capture that does. 
I wish I could use that, but it's support for key reassignment is 
horrific...

On Wed, 7 Jan 2015, Thomas Rieff wrote:

> What is available in a linux dvr software and capture card???
> I have used mythtv in the past, curious if there is anything new???
> With the change from off the air to Cable TV boxes, are there capture cards
> that will accept HDMI inputs???
> 
> Thomas Rieff
> GreenCare
> 1717 3rd Avenue
> Mankato, MN 56001
> (507) 344-8314 Office
> (507) 344-8316 Fax
> (507) 381-0660 Cell
> 
>

From jjensen at apache.org  Wed Jan  7 11:09:17 2015
From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 11:09:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux DVR
In-Reply-To: <1245431729.507909.1420648485250.JavaMail.zimbra@greencaremankato.com>
References: <1245431729.507909.1420648485250.JavaMail.zimbra@greencaremankato.com>
Message-ID: <CAKumxBzz_e8Y605DiLq3WetOMUzJ-jkQi-UagGhe9dGHXNxLOQ@mail.gmail.com>

My fav is the HDHomeRun products: http://www.silicondust.com.  I have a
couple of (older versions of) the Connect product for MythTV and Windows
Media Center.  I've converted a couple of friends from Haupauge (sp?) cards
to this, and they love it much better.  Easier config, et al.

Click on the "What are the differences between the US products?" button to
easily see which one you want.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Thomas Rieff <trieff at greencaremankato.com>
wrote:

> What is available in a linux dvr software and capture card???
> I have used mythtv in the past, curious if there is anything new???
> With the change from off the air to Cable TV boxes, are there capture
> cards that will accept HDMI inputs???
>
> Thomas Rieff
> GreenCare
> 1717 3rd Avenue
> Mankato, MN 56001
> (507) 344-8314 Office
> (507) 344-8316 Fax
> (507) 381-0660 Cell
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From max at MaxShinnPotential.com  Wed Jan  7 10:49:06 2015
From: max at MaxShinnPotential.com (Max Shinn)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 10:49:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Anti Unity but liked Ubuntu best
In-Reply-To: <873TagPW63264S07.1420645797@web07.cms.usa.net>
References: <873TagPW63264S07.1420645797@web07.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <CAEQLb8mkCGhvPt4DKPXREGSRUSv2bLvEcXwgOBynKE1Hv0iBuA@mail.gmail.com>

> But I would have to use some video conversion programs only available on MS
> and kept hoping there would be some progress in the video realm with linux,
> but it seems to have stalled or even gotten worse now.

I have never found anything comparable to the power of mencoder and
ffmpeg for converting video file formats, if that's what you mean by
conversion programs.  As far as editing goes, I'm not nearly as
familiar, but I hear kdenlive has grown a lot lately.

> Hi guys,
> I am perplexed lately as to what version of Linux to use. I hated the Unity
> desktop and wanted to keep Ubuntu as I really liked it before that change.
> I
> know that underneath it was the same as before and would work best for me,
> but
> I wanted my familiar menu back.

I have tried using non-*buntu distributions, but always come back due
to the availability of binary packages.  I used Bodhi for years until
the maintainer quit a few months ago.  Now I'm using Ubuntu with Unity
replaced with Openbox.  I have 16gb memory on my laptop, and while
idling use about 200mb of that...

I don't think I'd recommend either using Openbox or removing Unity
unless you have some time to play around with it.  Maybe lubuntu or
something similar is for you?  I don't know how "familiar" you're
looking for.

-Max

From tlunde at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 11:49:29 2015
From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 11:49:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux DVR
In-Reply-To: <CAKumxBzz_e8Y605DiLq3WetOMUzJ-jkQi-UagGhe9dGHXNxLOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1245431729.507909.1420648485250.JavaMail.zimbra@greencaremankato.com>
 <CAKumxBzz_e8Y605DiLq3WetOMUzJ-jkQi-UagGhe9dGHXNxLOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE0VmCwuGozHkhC-bo3GfkGETDM_MK=nT6TPNV9vZSm5OVHXSg@mail.gmail.com>

+1 for Homerun boxes for OTA capture

+1 for MythTV as a backend recorder

I use XBMC 13 loaded onto Amazon FireTV boxes as a frontend, using the Myth
PVR plugin for XBMC

Once configured, this has a high WAF: one box and one remote provides OTA
Live, OTA DVR, Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBOGO, etc etc.



I have not needed or tried them, but I gather that there are boxes which
are sold for the purpose of capturing gaming sessions from consoles that
have component in and myth support that can also be used to capture video
from digital cable, Dish, DirectTV et al. For this to work, you'd also need
to configure an IR blaster to change the channel on the cable/satellite
receiver which provides the feed to the capture device. This "analog hole"
workaround for the encryption of these signals is the only way to capture
and record some sources.

For some digital cable systems, Silicon Dust makes a box that can accept a
cablecard which does the decryption.

Thomas

On Wednesday, January 7, 2015, Jeff Jensen <jjensen at apache.org> wrote:

> My fav is the HDHomeRun products: http://www.silicondust.com.  I have a
> couple of (older versions of) the Connect product for MythTV and Windows
> Media Center.  I've converted a couple of friends from Haupauge (sp?) cards
> to this, and they love it much better.  Easier config, et al.
>
> Click on the "What are the differences between the US products?" button to
> easily see which one you want.
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Thomas Rieff <trieff at greencaremankato.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','trieff at greencaremankato.com');>> wrote:
>
>> What is available in a linux dvr software and capture card???
>> I have used mythtv in the past, curious if there is anything new???
>> With the change from off the air to Cable TV boxes, are there capture
>> cards that will accept HDMI inputs???
>>
>> Thomas Rieff
>> GreenCare
>> 1717 3rd Avenue
>> Mankato, MN 56001
>> (507) 344-8314 Office
>> (507) 344-8316 Fax
>> (507) 381-0660 Cell
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tclug-list at mn-linux.org');>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
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From chrome at real-time.com  Wed Jan  7 11:50:57 2015
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 12:50:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anti Unity but liked Ubuntu best
In-Reply-To: <873TagPW63264S07.1420645797@web07.cms.usa.net>
References: <873TagPW63264S07.1420645797@web07.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <20150107175057.GA757@real-time.com>

On 01/07 09:49 , Kenneth Lynes wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I am perplexed lately as to what version of Linux to use. I hated the Unity
> desktop and wanted to keep Ubuntu as I really liked it before that change. I
> know that underneath it was the same as before and would work best for me, but
> I wanted my familiar menu back. 

I despise Unity, so I installed KDE. I think you can just 'apt-get install
KDE' and it sets up KDM (the login tool) and everything.
Not that I'm a huge fan of KDE either, but it has some nice features. I
mostly use it for the BII window decorations (titlebars only as wide as they
need to be, so I can overlap windows and still see all the titlebars),

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 14:18:10 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 14:18:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+PCOfWXqUDd8ymp0Z0AHpbpA0QQoYHN4DotKifRhxO2Kw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W37BB5E3ED46124F87637F6995F0@phx.gbl>,
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 <BAY168-W50089CE76F92890F95856E995F0@phx.gbl>,
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 <CAJt84+PdHrpdC7H4tZG8+05p83jbUKxG=PSU-Q_crpC0kTbggw@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAJCD7j63VK6TSqXtd=dp=nj8P4atk79c31rCp2BWcbeXmShwWg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAJt84+Mn3ZRT-y==fFo88s34F4d3PKU5z9GdDG-bBAP1riMHLg@mail.gmail.com>,
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 <BAY168-W79ECB88C23A32D9D203FF8995F0@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W1293E4F21080D477463CE4799460@phx.gbl>

Did you install flashplugin-nonfree via apt? Is it the latest version provided by Mint?

I believe so, when I installed the LinuxMint17 operating system on my computer I downloaded the .iso containing 'codecs'. Found here --> http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=22 #9 on the list.

I wonder if I should remove the 'adobe-flashplugin' and installing the 'flashplugin-installer'. What are your thoughts on this matter?

I attached a screenshot of the currently installed flash packages at this time.

Thanks,

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 09:10:03 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

Did you install flashplugin-nonfree via apt? Is it the latest version provided by Mint?

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



I am trying to play 'old music videos' - via - 'youtube' on Linux-Mint17-Mate with kernel -3.14.13-031413-generic-under-firefox 34.0' Currently I have the 11.2.202.425 flash installed. The HTML5 Google player makes Firefox 34.0' crash after 2-3 songs if that. I think it may be something to do with Cisco systems video Codec. Sorry to ask such a dumb question. Thank you for your time. 

0. problem--> I am trying to play 'all kinds of' music videos via youtube on my linuxmint computer.

paul g 

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:11:39 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a noob.


You have to state what you are trying to do before anyone can help you.


 Thanks and happy new year.

paul g


Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest of this email chain.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.

paul g

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

no.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?



Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older. 

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.

? - Happy Holidays


Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once, or always.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as previously mentioned?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for your help.

? - Happy Holidays

Paul G

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> 
> Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> time, too. That's most likely it.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux.  I run into this issue myself on
> > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it.  So, I just tell it to use the
> > old version of flash even if it is outdated.  This is on current Fedora.
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> >>
> >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

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-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 15:18:35 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:18:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
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I'm not a Mint user -- I simply googled the Mint directions for installing
Flash, and was trying to feel out enough information regarding your issue
to provide any sort of assistance at all.

Personally, I would take a look at how your distro recommends doing these
sorts of things.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:18 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Did you install flashplugin-nonfree via apt? Is it the latest version
> provided by Mint?
>
> I believe so, when I installed the LinuxMint17 operating system on my
> computer I downloaded the .iso containing 'codecs'. Found here -->
> http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=22 #9 on the list.
>
> I wonder if I should remove the 'adobe-flashplugin' and installing the
> 'flashplugin-installer'. What are your thoughts on this matter?
>
> I attached a screenshot of the currently installed flash packages at this
> time.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 09:10:03 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> Did you install flashplugin-nonfree via apt? Is it the latest version
> provided by Mint?
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am trying to play 'old music videos' - via - 'youtube' on
> Linux-Mint17-Mate with kernel -3.14.13-031413-generic-under-firefox 34.0'
> Currently I have the 11.2.202.425 flash installed. The HTML5 Google player
> makes Firefox 34.0' crash after 2-3 songs if that. I think it may be
> something to do with Cisco systems video Codec. Sorry to ask such a dumb
> question. Thank you for your time.
>
> 0. problem--> I am trying to play 'all kinds of' music videos via youtube
> on my linuxmint computer.
>
> paul g
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:11:39 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a
> noob.
>
>
> You have to state what you are trying to do before anyone can help you.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks and happy new year.
>
> paul g
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest
> of this email chain.
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt
> now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned
> to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.
>
> paul g
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> no.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot
> of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older
> version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via
> terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my
> struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once,
> or always.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to
> use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
>
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
>
> Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as
> previously mentioned?
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in
> and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks
> as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that
> Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I
> ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for
> your help.
>
> [image: Emoji] - Happy Holidays
>
> Paul G
>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> > From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> >
> > Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> > time, too. That's most likely it.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux. I run into this issue myself on
> > > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it. So, I just tell it to use
> the
> > > old version of flash even if it is outdated. This is on current Fedora.
> > >
> > > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> > >>
> > >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> > >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Chapin
> > President, CedarLug, retired
> > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> > President, UNI Scuba Club
> > Senator, NISG, retired
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
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>
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 15:29:31 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:29:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+MOA_c+WLHy9NmCW3J_FXCXco4dxNaOs0YnOsN3NbriCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W37BB5E3ED46124F87637F6995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+Pb1dBBCD2rNFPRqqJnwPFvA3YzbDbtK84w5D93HPki-Q@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W50089CE76F92890F95856E995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+MV+GgYzMYV+sD3KQOCDg2_DOs2ACbtPiKNFtXfJc37kQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W4817CDA10B02F752964D71995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+PdHrpdC7H4tZG8+05p83jbUKxG=PSU-Q_crpC0kTbggw@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAJCD7j63VK6TSqXtd=dp=nj8P4atk79c31rCp2BWcbeXmShwWg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAJt84+Mn3ZRT-y==fFo88s34F4d3PKU5z9GdDG-bBAP1riMHLg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W110CAAB686776A81DB22DD9995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+Ok7cFJf2sZYEkGG=N-XrGpostJ_g4pngAhjk4znWH-cQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W110D1C8342B72E4645B54B4995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+NN5i=nPcDeh5AN23+xwH8stm9Qrt9OCe_Rdk+pxw_-3g@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAJt84+O+7uErPko=P0++uuXZT2gV82ivYz9HnT6-mhRbxVYEQg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W79ECB88C23A32D9D203FF8995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+MaSJy9n4F_Ew3tG+VMGQvEZ5kyqziyp7i57brbaiVT9g@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W63A6E35F356C9E1B9E7349995F0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W1382FD8733CD28307A9EB1599460@phx.gbl>, <CAJt
 84+NN5DBXZdH6yd6n5vw7ua2MdjQFBbAGdveGptuRiEh55A@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W1DD44FA84E89849EFED2C99460@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+PCOfWXqUDd8ymp0Z0AHpbpA0QQoYHN4DotKifRhxO2Kw@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W1293E4F21080D477463CE4799460@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+MOA_c+WLHy9NmCW3J_FXCXco4dxNaOs0YnOsN3NbriCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W4864CC6319C7DACF08EBAA99460@phx.gbl>

Thanks Jeff, I finally started thinking along the lines you just suggested actually. You may be interested in reading this post: I attached a link:

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=737352#p737352

Karlchen post #5. <--I had actually gone through this all before. It just looks like something is changing over on YouTubes end.

Finally I can let this topic RIP.?

Thanks for your help.



Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:18:35 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm not a Mint user -- I simply googled the Mint directions for installing Flash, and was trying to feel out enough information regarding your issue to provide any sort of assistance at all.

Personally, I would take a look at how your distro recommends doing these sorts of things.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:18 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Did you install flashplugin-nonfree via apt? Is it the latest version provided by Mint?

I believe so, when I installed the LinuxMint17 operating system on my computer I downloaded the .iso containing 'codecs'. Found here --> http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=22 #9 on the list.

I wonder if I should remove the 'adobe-flashplugin' and installing the 'flashplugin-installer'. What are your thoughts on this matter?

I attached a screenshot of the currently installed flash packages at this time.

Thanks,

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 09:10:03 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

Did you install flashplugin-nonfree via apt? Is it the latest version provided by Mint?

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



I am trying to play 'old music videos' - via - 'youtube' on Linux-Mint17-Mate with kernel -3.14.13-031413-generic-under-firefox 34.0' Currently I have the 11.2.202.425 flash installed. The HTML5 Google player makes Firefox 34.0' crash after 2-3 songs if that. I think it may be something to do with Cisco systems video Codec. Sorry to ask such a dumb question. Thank you for your time. 

0. problem--> I am trying to play 'all kinds of' music videos via youtube on my linuxmint computer.

paul g 

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 04:11:39 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 3:44 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Can you take any time off your schedule to help? I apologize for being a noob.


You have to state what you are trying to do before anyone can help you.


 Thanks and happy new year.

paul g


Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:02:41 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, or how this relates to the rest of this email chain.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:24 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Well, look closely -if you have time- and you can see firefox put in /opt now on any current Mint. Thanks for helping me by the way. I kindof learned to really respect you even though I am 'slow'.

paul g

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:12:25 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

no.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Have you tried out Lightspark at all personally?



Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:39:04 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

I'm running Version: 11.2.202.406 of flash, so not much older. 

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



What version of flash are you running over there? I attached a screenshot of the installed plugins currently on my system. So I should run an older version --> like which version then? I could manually install a version via terminal I suppose. Thanks for helping as I am sure your aware of my struggles trying to figure any of this stuff out.

 - Happy Holidays


Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:16:16 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

You can also click on the warning and authorize flash to run either once, or always.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJMZbNR0d0

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:12 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



Would you please break down how exactly how I can 'authorize Firefox to use the outdated flash plugin'? Sorry to bug you.

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:04:06 -0600
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel

Do you need to authorize firefox to use the outdated flash plugin, as previously mentioned?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:46 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:



You know I just took a little break from it. I did a hard reboot logged in and opened Opera went to YouTube and the music-videos work fine. It looks as is Firefox and not Opera is having the issue. I could swear though that Opera was not working with the music - videos earlier this morning. Could I ask for your advice and take on what you would recommend I do? Thanks for your help.

 - Happy Holidays

Paul G

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:58:36 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] html5 on 3.13.etc kernel
> 
> Now that you mention it, I think I have been doing that for quite some
> time, too. That's most likely it.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought Adobe killed Flash for Linux.  I run into this issue myself on
> > YouTube, etc but havent had time to fix it.  So, I just tell it to use the
> > old version of flash even if it is outdated.  This is on current Fedora.
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2014 1:30 PM, "Jeff Chapin" <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The likelihood of this being related to ISP behavior is slim to none.
> >>
> >> Have you installed flash? If you don't want to use the html5 player, I
> >> believe you have to have flash installed and working correctly.
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

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TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  

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TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 16:36:14 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:36:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Mr. Bob Slackware.
In-Reply-To: <54AD3BE5.5030309@gmail.com>
References: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>, ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501051319540.9960@cockerel.yaron.org>, ,
 <CAJdTJyNH7-jqq75axSWecWOS=RioTw3wXnTB+VVPiOZFKQqjzw@mail.gmail.com>, ,
 <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>, , <54AB59F2.6070508@gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W24F062EFC5D794256384B099460@phx.gbl>,<54AD3BE5.5030309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W988B70922A9CCD561CA13999460@phx.gbl>

Mr. Bob I am looking at this page here -->http://www.slackware.com/install/bootdisk.php

1. Are these the only Slackware images recommended? I have a Pentium MMX that I was thinking about using. 

2. A floppy drive is required to install any of these image files? Or could I use dd to copy an image file to a cd and boot that way if bios supports?

thanks

> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 08:00:05 -0600
> From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
> 
> On 1/7/2015 2:14 AM, paul g wrote:
> > Mr. Bob, would you be able to talk with a noober like me about Slackware
> > sometime?
> >
> > I am interested in your post. Thank you for your time.
> >
> 
> Yes.I would be happy to talk about Slackware with you.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 17:44:27 2015
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 17:44:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Mr. Bob Slackware.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W988B70922A9CCD561CA13999460@phx.gbl>
References: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>, ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501051319540.9960@cockerel.yaron.org>, ,
 <CAJdTJyNH7-jqq75axSWecWOS=RioTw3wXnTB+VVPiOZFKQqjzw@mail.gmail.com>, ,
 <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>, ,
 <54AB59F2.6070508@gmail.com> <BAY168-W24F062EFC5D794256384B099460@phx.gbl>,
 <54AD3BE5.5030309@gmail.com> <BAY168-W988B70922A9CCD561CA13999460@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54ADC4DB.2000209@gmail.com>

On 1/7/2015 4:36 PM, paul g wrote:
> Mr. Bob I am looking at this page here
> -->http://www.slackware.com/install/bootdisk.php
>
> 1. Are these the only Slackware images recommended? I have a Pentium MMX
> that I was thinking about using.
>

Not sure if the current release will work on a Pent MMX (how much ram?) 
  Read the announcement, and release note to confirm.  You might need to 
use an older version.

> 2. A floppy drive is required to install any of these image files? Or
> could I use dd to copy an image file to a cd and boot that way if bios
> supports?
>

You don't need to make floppy disk anymore.  You can use cd or dvd to 
boot, or do a network install (smoke'm if you gott'm)  That link is 
beyond out-dated.  Look here for more updated documentation:

http://docs.slackware.com/

for install help:   http://docs.slackware.com/slackware:install

Also, the most commonly used Slackware forum is at Linux Questions

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/

Lastly, if you still use usenet the long lived Slackware newsgroup is 
still highly active, and extremely knowledgeable.
alt.os.linux.slackware



From kc0iog at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 21:52:51 2015
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 21:52:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Missing access points
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjusD_Lpoacc_Gvv0_THWpRRLAczOQf+9bbDAid0g1rzvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjusD_Lpoacc_Gvv0_THWpRRLAczOQf+9bbDAid0g1rzvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3QoP=4aFF+t7DA7xN4Vvr3mqy-WNvRCCk1bxUfrDEAxRUJGw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Periodically when I start a laptop with Ubuntu 14.04 on it
> there aren't any access points to select from when I click
> on the wifi/networking icon.  The only way I've been able
> to work around that is to reboot the system.

What is the wireless driver and chipset?  I've seen an issue very
similar to this on a certain Intel wireless chip.  I never resolved
it, but I narrowed it down to a problem with the linux driver for that
particular chipset.

Brian

From jmore at starmind.org  Wed Jan  7 22:12:16 2015
From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 22:12:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Missing access points
In-Reply-To: <CAB3QoP=4aFF+t7DA7xN4Vvr3mqy-WNvRCCk1bxUfrDEAxRUJGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjusD_Lpoacc_Gvv0_THWpRRLAczOQf+9bbDAid0g1rzvQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB3QoP=4aFF+t7DA7xN4Vvr3mqy-WNvRCCk1bxUfrDEAxRUJGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3GUt_+z7De+=7TJhsX5QZuwV5ZEsNXFN6BBDFo3+3ZPqTQcA@mail.gmail.com>

Under 14.04, I get this too on an Intel chipset.  You can disable and
re-enable networking and they'll come back.  A reboot is not
necessary.  (At least on the three Lenovo Thinkpads I have with the
problem.)

-Josh More

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Brian Wall <kc0iog at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Periodically when I start a laptop with Ubuntu 14.04 on it
>> there aren't any access points to select from when I click
>> on the wifi/networking icon.  The only way I've been able
>> to work around that is to reboot the system.
>
> What is the wireless driver and chipset?  I've seen an issue very
> similar to this on a certain Intel wireless chip.  I never resolved
> it, but I narrowed it down to a problem with the linux driver for that
> particular chipset.
>
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 12:36:16 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 12:36:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Missing access points
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtYUHtanO=r5LJ2S=uGSY+NWSnzyJLPv=hC6UvOdQP7vw@mail.gmail.com>

Brian Wall writes:

> What is the wireless driver and chipset?  I've seen an issue very
> similar to this on a certain Intel wireless chip.  I never resolved
> it, but I narrowed it down to a problem with the linux driver for that
> particular chipset.

>From lspci I think it's a  Qualcomm Atheros Wireless Network
Adapter.

In the past I've tried what Josh said about disabling and re-enabling
networking, but it didn't help.  I've done that using the mouse though
and not using commands.  I'm not sure what commands to use to do
that.

The problem doesn't occur every day but about every third day.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Thankful for France, the country who
gave us the Statue of Liberty.

http://webEbenezer.net
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  8 22:44:40 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 22:44:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
Message-ID: <BAY168-W3314013F6225930CAE8AFE99440@phx.gbl>

I was reading this article found here --> https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/09/25/bash-shellshock-vulnerability-what-you-need-to-know/

John Harris stated:

Serious, yes, but still a Storm in a teacup here, Folks,

While it is being sorted out, switch over to the "MKSH" (MirBSD) shell.

As it did not and does not use the GNU tool kit chain, it has not been built with the "readline" issue that exploits "Bash".

However, like "Bash" the "MKSH" shell supports almost all of the same
 syntax and will run "Bash" scripts in a "SH" compatibility mode.

The Korn shell is also very old and very well tested.

I.E. HP, SUN, IBM, etc. all usually default to this command shell.

Unless you have something very "Bash" specific, MKSH" will do for now, if you are concerned.

Anything else that does not require "Bash" specifically should be swapped over.

Also please not that the "SH" command shell has the same problem as the "Bash" command shell.

I would also be looking at any script that uses the "readline" function 
or passes Unsanitized input or output to any "BASH" or "SH" shell.

One minor item, Google "Korn shell .profile and .kshrc" first, and 
make sure that you update or create the equivalent of the 
".bash_profile" and ".bashrc" before you swap your shell over.

Also, you can pretty much cut and paste most of your ".bash_profile" into ".profile" and it will work.

For more advanced tricks, check out the "/etc/profile" script and the 
"/etc/profile.d/" directory, as applicable, to your platform.

Linux & Unix built in workarounds to issues since their inception.

Problem solved for now.


1. Can I migrate to MKSH shell on my LinuxMint17 computer quite easily?

2. How necessary is this to be concerned about?

Your thoughts are appreciated. 
Thank you,
 		 	   		  
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 02:20:23 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 02:20:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W3314013F6225930CAE8AFE99440@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W3314013F6225930CAE8AFE99440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+MyBL1osJym3KNpUpDbZBxA7WdRV0aUWTz9q1ca=7J77A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:44 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 1. Can I migrate to MKSH shell on my LinuxMint17 computer quite easily?
http://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/mksh

Looks like it's in the Mint repos, so installing it is fairly easy.
Since it is related to ksh, and not bash, there will be a little bit
of a learning curve.


>
> 2. How necessary is this to be concerned about?


Not at all. Shellshock has been patched on most major modern OSes
since October. You can check if you are still on a vulnreble version
of bash following the directions here:

http://linuxg.net/canonical-has-patched-bash-agains-the-shellshock-exploit-update-your-ubuntu-14-04-or-ubuntu-12-04-system-now/


>
> Your thoughts are appreciated.
> Thank you,
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 16:22:47 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:22:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+MyBL1osJym3KNpUpDbZBxA7WdRV0aUWTz9q1ca=7J77A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W3314013F6225930CAE8AFE99440@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+MyBL1osJym3KNpUpDbZBxA7WdRV0aUWTz9q1ca=7J77A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W33C17DB8C8B29F4757205099440@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the links i've been reading for the last 4 hours. I am a very slow reader but I believe that at least part of the 'patch' so far at least on Mint 17 is:

lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    4 Dec 11 23:13 sh -> dash 

See above symlinked sh to dash now not bash. 

Thanks for responding and sending the links over.

 

> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 02:20:23 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
> 
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:44 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 1. Can I migrate to MKSH shell on my LinuxMint17 computer quite easily?
> http://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/mksh
> 
> Looks like it's in the Mint repos, so installing it is fairly easy.
> Since it is related to ksh, and not bash, there will be a little bit
> of a learning curve.
> 
> 
> >
> > 2. How necessary is this to be concerned about?
> 
> 
> Not at all. Shellshock has been patched on most major modern OSes
> since October. You can check if you are still on a vulnreble version
> of bash following the directions here:
> 
> http://linuxg.net/canonical-has-patched-bash-agains-the-shellshock-exploit-update-your-ubuntu-14-04-or-ubuntu-12-04-system-now/
> 
> 
> >
> > Your thoughts are appreciated.
> > Thank you,
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 16:34:21 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:34:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W33C17DB8C8B29F4757205099440@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W3314013F6225930CAE8AFE99440@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+MyBL1osJym3KNpUpDbZBxA7WdRV0aUWTz9q1ca=7J77A@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W33C17DB8C8B29F4757205099440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+PVAmanP5h1Zto+2SRJrv+YsEWsgH2mN-32Ves1Q6-ywA@mail.gmail.com>

You may wish to test if your version of bash is still unpatched. It's
highly likely that you don't even need to cobble together a workaround
to partially protect yourself. If your version of bash is patched, you
don't have to do anything at all.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:22 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the links i've been reading for the last 4 hours. I am a very
> slow reader but I believe that at least part of the 'patch' so far at least
> on Mint 17 is:
>
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    4 Dec 11 23:13 sh -> dash
>
> See above symlinked sh to dash now not bash.
>
> Thanks for responding and sending the links over.
>
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 02:20:23 -0600
>> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:44 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > 1. Can I migrate to MKSH shell on my LinuxMint17 computer quite easily?
>> http://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/mksh
>>
>> Looks like it's in the Mint repos, so installing it is fairly easy.
>> Since it is related to ksh, and not bash, there will be a little bit
>> of a learning curve.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > 2. How necessary is this to be concerned about?
>>
>>
>> Not at all. Shellshock has been patched on most major modern OSes
>> since October. You can check if you are still on a vulnreble version
>> of bash following the directions here:
>>
>>
>> http://linuxg.net/canonical-has-patched-bash-agains-the-shellshock-exploit-update-your-ubuntu-14-04-or-ubuntu-12-04-system-now/
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Your thoughts are appreciated.
>> > Thank you,
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Chapin
>> President, CedarLug, retired
>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>> President, UNI Scuba Club
>> Senator, NISG, retired
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 16:47:28 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:47:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+PVAmanP5h1Zto+2SRJrv+YsEWsgH2mN-32Ves1Q6-ywA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W3314013F6225930CAE8AFE99440@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+MyBL1osJym3KNpUpDbZBxA7WdRV0aUWTz9q1ca=7J77A@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W33C17DB8C8B29F4757205099440@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+PVAmanP5h1Zto+2SRJrv+YsEWsgH2mN-32Ves1Q6-ywA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W32FEA06CC9F4D535378AF599440@phx.gbl>

Yeah I appreciate your advice on doing some vulnerability testing on my computer also. I have been reading mainly this article I found off the Mint forums. --> http://www.troyhunt.com/2014/09/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html 

Granted it's an older article but I could understand most of it quite well. Down by the reader comments they are apparently commenting on how Debian is: /bin/sh -> dash not /bin/sh -> bash

Granted there is way more to this than just that.

Thanks,

> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:34:21 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
> 
> You may wish to test if your version of bash is still unpatched. It's
> highly likely that you don't even need to cobble together a workaround
> to partially protect yourself. If your version of bash is patched, you
> don't have to do anything at all.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:22 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for the links i've been reading for the last 4 hours. I am a very
> > slow reader but I believe that at least part of the 'patch' so far at least
> > on Mint 17 is:
> >
> > lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    4 Dec 11 23:13 sh -> dash
> >
> > See above symlinked sh to dash now not bash.
> >
> > Thanks for responding and sending the links over.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 02:20:23 -0600
> >> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
> >
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:44 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > 1. Can I migrate to MKSH shell on my LinuxMint17 computer quite easily?
> >> http://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/mksh
> >>
> >> Looks like it's in the Mint repos, so installing it is fairly easy.
> >> Since it is related to ksh, and not bash, there will be a little bit
> >> of a learning curve.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2. How necessary is this to be concerned about?
> >>
> >>
> >> Not at all. Shellshock has been patched on most major modern OSes
> >> since October. You can check if you are still on a vulnreble version
> >> of bash following the directions here:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://linuxg.net/canonical-has-patched-bash-agains-the-shellshock-exploit-update-your-ubuntu-14-04-or-ubuntu-12-04-system-now/
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Your thoughts are appreciated.
> >> > Thank you,
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeff Chapin
> >> President, CedarLug, retired
> >> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> >> President, UNI Scuba Club
> >> Senator, NISG, retired
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 18:49:36 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 18:49:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W32FEA06CC9F4D535378AF599440@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W3314013F6225930CAE8AFE99440@phx.gbl>, ,
 <CAJt84+MyBL1osJym3KNpUpDbZBxA7WdRV0aUWTz9q1ca=7J77A@mail.gmail.com>, ,
 <BAY168-W33C17DB8C8B29F4757205099440@phx.gbl>, ,
 <CAJt84+PVAmanP5h1Zto+2SRJrv+YsEWsgH2mN-32Ves1Q6-ywA@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W32FEA06CC9F4D535378AF599440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W94C7C714826D7E30A849D299450@phx.gbl>

Sorry to post again but I guess this post was started by me so whatever:

Ubuntu and other Debian-derived systems that use Dash exclusively are 
not at risk ? Dash isn't vulnerable, but busted versions of Bash may 
well be present on the systems anyway. It's essential you check the 
shell interpreters you're using, and any Bash packages you have 
installed, and patch if necessary.

^above provided by --> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/24/bash_shell_vuln/

Maybe I should move onto something else I could spend a week just reading on this topic. For a little person such as myself is that even time well spent?

Just a thought.

Thanks,

From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:47:28 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?




Yeah I appreciate your advice on doing some vulnerability testing on my computer also. I have been reading mainly this article I found off the Mint forums. --> http://www.troyhunt.com/2014/09/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html 

Granted it's an older article but I could understand most of it quite well. Down by the reader comments they are apparently commenting on how Debian is: /bin/sh -> dash not /bin/sh -> bash

Granted there is way more to this than just that.

Thanks,

> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:34:21 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
> 
> You may wish to test if your version of bash is still unpatched. It's
> highly likely that you don't even need to cobble together a workaround
> to partially protect yourself. If your version of bash is patched, you
> don't have to do anything at all.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:22 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for the links i've been reading for the last 4 hours. I am a very
> > slow reader but I believe that at least part of the 'patch' so far at least
> > on Mint 17 is:
> >
> > lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root    4 Dec 11 23:13 sh -> dash
> >
> > See above symlinked sh to dash now not bash.
> >
> > Thanks for responding and sending the links over.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 02:20:23 -0600
> >> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
> >
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:44 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > 1. Can I migrate to MKSH shell on my LinuxMint17 computer quite easily?
> >> http://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/mksh
> >>
> >> Looks like it's in the Mint repos, so installing it is fairly easy.
> >> Since it is related to ksh, and not bash, there will be a little bit
> >> of a learning curve.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2. How necessary is this to be concerned about?
> >>
> >>
> >> Not at all. Shellshock has been patched on most major modern OSes
> >> since October. You can check if you are still on a vulnreble version
> >> of bash following the directions here:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://linuxg.net/canonical-has-patched-bash-agains-the-shellshock-exploit-update-your-ubuntu-14-04-or-ubuntu-12-04-system-now/
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Your thoughts are appreciated.
> >> > Thank you,
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeff Chapin
> >> President, CedarLug, retired
> >> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> >> President, UNI Scuba Club
> >> Senator, NISG, retired
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  

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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 19:09:52 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 19:09:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W94C7C714826D7E30A849D299450@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W3314013F6225930CAE8AFE99440@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+MyBL1osJym3KNpUpDbZBxA7WdRV0aUWTz9q1ca=7J77A@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W33C17DB8C8B29F4757205099440@phx.gbl>
 <CAJt84+PVAmanP5h1Zto+2SRJrv+YsEWsgH2mN-32Ves1Q6-ywA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W32FEA06CC9F4D535378AF599440@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W94C7C714826D7E30A849D299450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+PXnTODTbYx4eWW_E2d34HvP969uUgtjBS_R79pDxtucw@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,

I would like to once again suggest that you simply test the version of
bash you have installed. There is no need to worry if you are not at
risk.

Jeff

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry to post again but I guess this post was started by me so whatever:
>
> Ubuntu and other Debian-derived systems that use Dash exclusively are not at
> risk ? Dash isn't vulnerable, but busted versions of Bash may well be
> present on the systems anyway. It's essential you check the shell
> interpreters you're using, and any Bash packages you have installed, and
> patch if necessary.
>
> ^above provided by -->
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/24/bash_shell_vuln/
>
> Maybe I should move onto something else I could spend a week just reading on
> this topic. For a little person such as myself is that even time well spent?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ________________________________
> From: pj.world at hotmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:47:28 -0600
>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
>
> Yeah I appreciate your advice on doing some vulnerability testing on my
> computer also. I have been reading mainly this article I found off the Mint
> forums. -->
> http://www.troyhunt.com/2014/09/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html
>
> Granted it's an older article but I could understand most of it quite well.
> Down by the reader comments they are apparently commenting on how Debian is:
> /bin/sh -> dash not /bin/sh -> bash
>
> Granted there is way more to this than just that.
>
> Thanks,
>
>> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:34:21 -0600
>> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
>>
>> You may wish to test if your version of bash is still unpatched. It's
>> highly likely that you don't even need to cobble together a workaround
>> to partially protect yourself. If your version of bash is patched, you
>> don't have to do anything at all.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:22 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Thanks for the links i've been reading for the last 4 hours. I am a very
>> > slow reader but I believe that at least part of the 'patch' so far at
>> > least
>> > on Mint 17 is:
>> >
>> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Dec 11 23:13 sh -> dash
>> >
>> > See above symlinked sh to dash now not bash.
>> >
>> > Thanks for responding and sending the links over.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 02:20:23 -0600
>> >> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
>> >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:44 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > 1. Can I migrate to MKSH shell on my LinuxMint17 computer quite
>> >> > easily?
>> >> http://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/mksh
>> >>
>> >> Looks like it's in the Mint repos, so installing it is fairly easy.
>> >> Since it is related to ksh, and not bash, there will be a little bit
>> >> of a learning curve.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > 2. How necessary is this to be concerned about?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Not at all. Shellshock has been patched on most major modern OSes
>> >> since October. You can check if you are still on a vulnreble version
>> >> of bash following the directions here:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://linuxg.net/canonical-has-patched-bash-agains-the-shellshock-exploit-update-your-ubuntu-14-04-or-ubuntu-12-04-system-now/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Your thoughts are appreciated.
>> >> > Thank you,
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jeff Chapin
>> >> President, CedarLug, retired
>> >> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>> >> President, UNI Scuba Club
>> >> Senator, NISG, retired
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Chapin
>> President, CedarLug, retired
>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>> President, UNI Scuba Club
>> Senator, NISG, retired
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 19:13:20 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 19:13:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+PXnTODTbYx4eWW_E2d34HvP969uUgtjBS_R79pDxtucw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W3314013F6225930CAE8AFE99440@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+MyBL1osJym3KNpUpDbZBxA7WdRV0aUWTz9q1ca=7J77A@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W33C17DB8C8B29F4757205099440@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+PVAmanP5h1Zto+2SRJrv+YsEWsgH2mN-32Ves1Q6-ywA@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W32FEA06CC9F4D535378AF599440@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W94C7C714826D7E30A849D299450@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+PXnTODTbYx4eWW_E2d34HvP969uUgtjBS_R79pDxtucw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W40F1D1F3BBB3655E05DDFF99450@phx.gbl>

Jeff, 

I did test a couple of my computers running Mint 17 here and they are patched. That's funny the word 'cobble' that reminds me of alot of fun/interesting/challenging situations. 

Thanks, 

paul

> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 19:09:52 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
> 
> Paul,
> 
> I would like to once again suggest that you simply test the version of
> bash you have installed. There is no need to worry if you are not at
> risk.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:49 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Sorry to post again but I guess this post was started by me so whatever:
> >
> > Ubuntu and other Debian-derived systems that use Dash exclusively are not at
> > risk ? Dash isn't vulnerable, but busted versions of Bash may well be
> > present on the systems anyway. It's essential you check the shell
> > interpreters you're using, and any Bash packages you have installed, and
> > patch if necessary.
> >
> > ^above provided by -->
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/24/bash_shell_vuln/
> >
> > Maybe I should move onto something else I could spend a week just reading on
> > this topic. For a little person such as myself is that even time well spent?
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: pj.world at hotmail.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:47:28 -0600
> >
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
> >
> > Yeah I appreciate your advice on doing some vulnerability testing on my
> > computer also. I have been reading mainly this article I found off the Mint
> > forums. -->
> > http://www.troyhunt.com/2014/09/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html
> >
> > Granted it's an older article but I could understand most of it quite well.
> > Down by the reader comments they are apparently commenting on how Debian is:
> > /bin/sh -> dash not /bin/sh -> bash
> >
> > Granted there is way more to this than just that.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:34:21 -0600
> >> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
> >>
> >> You may wish to test if your version of bash is still unpatched. It's
> >> highly likely that you don't even need to cobble together a workaround
> >> to partially protect yourself. If your version of bash is patched, you
> >> don't have to do anything at all.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:22 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Thanks for the links i've been reading for the last 4 hours. I am a very
> >> > slow reader but I believe that at least part of the 'patch' so far at
> >> > least
> >> > on Mint 17 is:
> >> >
> >> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Dec 11 23:13 sh -> dash
> >> >
> >> > See above symlinked sh to dash now not bash.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for responding and sending the links over.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 02:20:23 -0600
> >> >> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> >> >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Patch Bash ShellShock exploit with MKSH?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:44 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > 1. Can I migrate to MKSH shell on my LinuxMint17 computer quite
> >> >> > easily?
> >> >> http://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/mksh
> >> >>
> >> >> Looks like it's in the Mint repos, so installing it is fairly easy.
> >> >> Since it is related to ksh, and not bash, there will be a little bit
> >> >> of a learning curve.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2. How necessary is this to be concerned about?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Not at all. Shellshock has been patched on most major modern OSes
> >> >> since October. You can check if you are still on a vulnreble version
> >> >> of bash following the directions here:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://linuxg.net/canonical-has-patched-bash-agains-the-shellshock-exploit-update-your-ubuntu-14-04-or-ubuntu-12-04-system-now/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Your thoughts are appreciated.
> >> >> > Thank you,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Jeff Chapin
> >> >> President, CedarLug, retired
> >> >> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> >> >> President, UNI Scuba Club
> >> >> Senator, NISG, retired
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeff Chapin
> >> President, CedarLug, retired
> >> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> >> President, UNI Scuba Club
> >> Senator, NISG, retired
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sun Jan 11 13:57:18 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 13:57:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] bluetooth w/softphone
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9Bm-DPO1cSFtpbkP2GOQDXb=jHzd7NPjFz7TFE0Q-ZjPQ@mail.gmail.com>

does anyone anywhere on any distro have bluetooth working with a
softphone?  i had it working in saucy in early 2014, still looking for a
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 18:59:53 2015
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 18:59:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Intel's $89 Linux HDMI stick coming in three months?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1501111855130.18955@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

This seems like it's all about Windows...

http://ces.gizmodo.com/intels-150-hdmi-stick-turns-any-tv-into-a-windows-desk-1678550370

...but when you get to the end, you see this:

"The Wall Street Journal says it'll hit by the end of Q1, with a Linux 
version also available for $90."

And links to these pages...

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/08/intel-unveils-pocket-size-computer-that-plugs-into-tvs/
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/compute-stick/intel-compute-stick.html

...which confirm the claims (except it's $89, not $90).

Mike

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 09:00:04 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 09:00:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Intel's $89 Linux HDMI stick coming in three
	months?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1501111855130.18955@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1501111855130.18955@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO22NwEF7kajvpWD3Yzxay3Q3NfJwiRz8jDAp=WyM_=p7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Huh, looks like either or. Just what I need, another dongle :-)

I wonder how configurable these will be? My guess is Intel made a big
Windows push, because they are realistic about the majority of the
business market. The Linux option appeals to hobbyist and the small
piece of the business market heavily invested into Linux workstations.
Looking at the Intel page it looks like they are trying to ice cream
scoop consumers and businesses alike as well.

Will be interesting to see what they ultimately do when this gets released.

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
> This seems like it's all about Windows...
>
> http://ces.gizmodo.com/intels-150-hdmi-stick-turns-any-tv-into-a-windows-desk-1678550370
>
> ...but when you get to the end, you see this:
>
> "The Wall Street Journal says it'll hit by the end of Q1, with a Linux
> version also available for $90."
>
> And links to these pages...
>
> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/08/intel-unveils-pocket-size-computer-that-plugs-into-tvs/
> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/compute-stick/intel-compute-stick.html
>
> ...which confirm the claims (except it's $89, not $90).
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 22:29:59 2015
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 22:29:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Intel's $89 Linux HDMI stick coming in three
	months?
In-Reply-To: <CACEdYO22NwEF7kajvpWD3Yzxay3Q3NfJwiRz8jDAp=WyM_=p7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1501111855130.18955@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <CACEdYO22NwEF7kajvpWD3Yzxay3Q3NfJwiRz8jDAp=WyM_=p7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3QoP=81zgWXY6VLZB5FT=CR4v+ndPHXiJQq=ji+ZL2aAzLvw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson
<jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Will be interesting to see what they ultimately do when this gets released.

I would guess that these are targeted as thin clients.  Instead of a
small appliance that sites on/under a desk, it just plugs into the
monitor.

Brian

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 14 19:36:44 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:36:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Manjero or Mint?
In-Reply-To: <20141230203235.GE26717@lunn.ch>
References: <CAD+dB9AL1WMDSxfZCVtPDKSa53esqDQW+NUmJ-rNp-_-DMhv4g@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W36EF33919E58D9D65DF1D4995E0@phx.gbl>,
 <20141230203235.GE26717@lunn.ch>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W6296FEF43676E8CE53FF8994E0@phx.gbl>

Hello, I am wondering if you have had anytime to look at the CD/DVD mount issue with the newer 3.2.etc debian kernel as of lately? I have posted in some other places and have gotten none or limited response perhaps it is not a large or important bug. 

I think it's to bad after upgrading the system to kernel 3.13.etc there is no longer ease of use to utilize the CD/DVD drive on any debian based computer using the newer kernel.

Debian bug report #72978 post #50 did not seem to help at all. After reboot and a new DVD is inserted system is again not able to read/load the disk properly. links are below
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725978
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753379
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725978
                                               
Below is the /etc/rc.local file as edited on a debian based system I have running the 3.13.0-24-generic kernel <--which I have tried this enables kernel polling. It seems to work on the system temporarily but fails to read after the same disk is mounted a couple times.

#!/bin/sh -e
#
# rc.local
#
# This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
# Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
# value on error.
#
# In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution
# bits.
#
# By default this script does nothing.
echo 2000 > /sys/module/block/parameters/events_dfl_poll_msecs
exit 0

It does work temporarily but upon a couple power cycles it fail's again. Besides even with the above line added the CD/DVD drive acts like it's reading the media differently 'takes longer to read' than prior with the 2.16.etc debian kernel.

I got your response back as you would consider this to be a small bug already in a prior post. 

1. I wanted to reiterate that this is how you consider this situation to be small bug?

2. Should I be looking at something as far as Udev is concerned also?

3. Why after kernel polling is enabled in /etc/rc.local and a couple power cycles it fails to read the disk again?

Your thoughts and time are appreciated.

Thank you,

> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:32:35 +0100
> From: andrew at lunn.ch
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Manjero or Mint?
> 
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 01:44:42PM -0600, paul g wrote:
> > Greg the situation is with the newer Debian 3.13.0-24-generic
> > kernel. There is just this 'HUGE' bug with the dvd/cd mount.
> 
> HUGE bugs generally got stomped on quickly. HUGE is also somewhat a
> personal opinion. dvd/cd are going the way of the Dodo anyway, so who
> really cares? I cannot remember the last time i put a data CD/DVD in
> my driver. Current Debian does seem to do the right thing with Audio
> CDs, i used that a few times recently.
> 
> Going back to the originally question, no distro is perfect. Each has
> there own issues. What is a HUGE issue for somebody might not even be
> noticed by others. It is often a case of pick your poison and give it
> a go.
> 
> I've used Debian for donkeys years. I've been happy with it, but i'm a
> full on Computer Scientist, so user friendly clicky bunty is lower
> down my feature list than give my the power of a command line. That is
> not to say Debian does not do clicky bunty...
> 
> 	Andrew
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From allanf at linuxquestions.net  Wed Jan 14 22:04:47 2015
From: allanf at linuxquestions.net (AL F)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 22:04:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Which linux do you use?
In-Reply-To: <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>
References: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501051319540.9960@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <CAJdTJyNH7-jqq75axSWecWOS=RioTw3wXnTB+VVPiOZFKQqjzw@mail.gmail.com>
 <54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Jq52dj6Y4VGZ-TJYfp339_gs3rmj-iaZb5WR6PWQoX=G=Jzw@mail.gmail.com>

Gentoo, I just like it.  Been using it for the last five years.  But it is
not for everyone.

I would suggest "Linux Mint" to those that think they should use Ubuntu (it
is only as safe as windows on most installations single userid and a poor
password leaving sudo wide open and the userid is not needed to be guessed
as most have it pre-filled with the last login).

Funtoo is another spin from a Gentoo creator and uses portage for the
packages.





On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:

>  I always like a good joke, please share?
>
> I actually am in the process of picking a linux(for zol). I have always
> dug suse as a company, but ubuntu seems more practical.. redhat seems to
> have gone too commercial
>
> So what linux do you use and why?
>
> linda
>
> On 1/5/15 1:30 PM, David Wagle wrote:
>
> *chuckle*
>
>  I'm sure the roving death squads will try to come looking, but
> OpenSUSE's might Yast2 shall keep them at bay! :)
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, David Wagle wrote:
>>
>>  So I made the switch from Arch to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
>>>
>>
>>
>>  Wait, wait, wait, someone switched AWAY from Arch???
>>
>> Are you not afraid of the roving death-squads???
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
>  David A. Wagle
> cell: 952-607-71741
> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwagle/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 08:24:19 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:24:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Manjero or Mint?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W6296FEF43676E8CE53FF8994E0@phx.gbl>
References: <CAD+dB9AL1WMDSxfZCVtPDKSa53esqDQW+NUmJ-rNp-_-DMhv4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W36EF33919E58D9D65DF1D4995E0@phx.gbl>
 <20141230203235.GE26717@lunn.ch>
 <BAY168-W6296FEF43676E8CE53FF8994E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+Otn2VDKxFnP4zgTvVwietjLjm2A4JJSyRXAwzy-CA-JA@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,

You may wish to take a specific Debian issue up with a Debian list --
perhaps reply to those very links you have sent us. If people have not
responded here, they may not be able to do so, or have no interest to
do so.

Jeff



On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, I am wondering if you have had anytime to look at the CD/DVD mount
> issue with the newer 3.2.etc debian kernel as of lately? I have posted in
> some other places and have gotten none or limited response perhaps it is not
> a large or important bug.
>
> I think it's to bad after upgrading the system to kernel 3.13.etc there is
> no longer ease of use to utilize the CD/DVD drive on any debian based
> computer using the newer kernel.
>
> Debian bug report #72978 post #50 did not seem to help at all. After reboot
> and a new DVD is inserted system is again not able to read/load the disk
> properly. links are below
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725978
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753379
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725978
>
> Below is the /etc/rc.local file as edited on a debian based system I have
> running the 3.13.0-24-generic kernel <--which I have tried this enables
> kernel polling. It seems to work on the system temporarily but fails to read
> after the same disk is mounted a couple times.
>
> #!/bin/sh -e
> #
> # rc.local
> #
> # This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
> # Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
> # value on error.
> #
> # In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution
> # bits.
> #
> # By default this script does nothing.
> echo 2000 > /sys/module/block/parameters/events_dfl_poll_msecs
> exit 0
>
> It does work temporarily but upon a couple power cycles it fail's again.
> Besides even with the above line added the CD/DVD drive acts like it's
> reading the media differently 'takes longer to read' than prior with the
> 2.16.etc debian kernel.
>
> I got your response back as you would consider this to be a small bug
> already in a prior post.
>
> 1. I wanted to reiterate that this is how you consider this situation to be
> small bug?
>
> 2. Should I be looking at something as far as Udev is concerned also?
>
> 3. Why after kernel polling is enabled in /etc/rc.local and a couple power
> cycles it fails to read the disk again?
>
> Your thoughts and time are appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:32:35 +0100
>> From: andrew at lunn.ch
>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Manjero or Mint?
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 01:44:42PM -0600, paul g wrote:
>> > Greg the situation is with the newer Debian 3.13.0-24-generic
>> > kernel. There is just this 'HUGE' bug with the dvd/cd mount.
>>
>> HUGE bugs generally got stomped on quickly. HUGE is also somewhat a
>> personal opinion. dvd/cd are going the way of the Dodo anyway, so who
>> really cares? I cannot remember the last time i put a data CD/DVD in
>> my driver. Current Debian does seem to do the right thing with Audio
>> CDs, i used that a few times recently.
>>
>> Going back to the originally question, no distro is perfect. Each has
>> there own issues. What is a HUGE issue for somebody might not even be
>> noticed by others. It is often a case of pick your poison and give it
>> a go.
>>
>> I've used Debian for donkeys years. I've been happy with it, but i'm a
>> full on Computer Scientist, so user friendly clicky bunty is lower
>> down my feature list than give my the power of a command line. That is
>> not to say Debian does not do clicky bunty...
>>
>> Andrew
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 15 20:37:48 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:37:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Manjero or Mint?
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+Otn2VDKxFnP4zgTvVwietjLjm2A4JJSyRXAwzy-CA-JA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9AL1WMDSxfZCVtPDKSa53esqDQW+NUmJ-rNp-_-DMhv4g@mail.gmail.com>,
 <BAY168-W36EF33919E58D9D65DF1D4995E0@phx.gbl>,
 <20141230203235.GE26717@lunn.ch>, <BAY168-W6296FEF43676E8CE53FF8994E0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAJt84+Otn2VDKxFnP4zgTvVwietjLjm2A4JJSyRXAwzy-CA-JA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W33168F1F11B0039648014A994F0@phx.gbl>

Thank you for responding to my question Jeff. I appreciate your time.

Thank you,

paul

> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:24:19 -0600
> From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Manjero or Mint?
> 
> Paul,
> 
> You may wish to take a specific Debian issue up with a Debian list --
> perhaps reply to those very links you have sent us. If people have not
> responded here, they may not be able to do so, or have no interest to
> do so.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:36 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello, I am wondering if you have had anytime to look at the CD/DVD mount
> > issue with the newer 3.2.etc debian kernel as of lately? I have posted in
> > some other places and have gotten none or limited response perhaps it is not
> > a large or important bug.
> >
> > I think it's to bad after upgrading the system to kernel 3.13.etc there is
> > no longer ease of use to utilize the CD/DVD drive on any debian based
> > computer using the newer kernel.
> >
> > Debian bug report #72978 post #50 did not seem to help at all. After reboot
> > and a new DVD is inserted system is again not able to read/load the disk
> > properly. links are below
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725978
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753379
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725978
> >
> > Below is the /etc/rc.local file as edited on a debian based system I have
> > running the 3.13.0-24-generic kernel <--which I have tried this enables
> > kernel polling. It seems to work on the system temporarily but fails to read
> > after the same disk is mounted a couple times.
> >
> > #!/bin/sh -e
> > #
> > # rc.local
> > #
> > # This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
> > # Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
> > # value on error.
> > #
> > # In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution
> > # bits.
> > #
> > # By default this script does nothing.
> > echo 2000 > /sys/module/block/parameters/events_dfl_poll_msecs
> > exit 0
> >
> > It does work temporarily but upon a couple power cycles it fail's again.
> > Besides even with the above line added the CD/DVD drive acts like it's
> > reading the media differently 'takes longer to read' than prior with the
> > 2.16.etc debian kernel.
> >
> > I got your response back as you would consider this to be a small bug
> > already in a prior post.
> >
> > 1. I wanted to reiterate that this is how you consider this situation to be
> > small bug?
> >
> > 2. Should I be looking at something as far as Udev is concerned also?
> >
> > 3. Why after kernel polling is enabled in /etc/rc.local and a couple power
> > cycles it fails to read the disk again?
> >
> > Your thoughts and time are appreciated.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:32:35 +0100
> >> From: andrew at lunn.ch
> >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Manjero or Mint?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 01:44:42PM -0600, paul g wrote:
> >> > Greg the situation is with the newer Debian 3.13.0-24-generic
> >> > kernel. There is just this 'HUGE' bug with the dvd/cd mount.
> >>
> >> HUGE bugs generally got stomped on quickly. HUGE is also somewhat a
> >> personal opinion. dvd/cd are going the way of the Dodo anyway, so who
> >> really cares? I cannot remember the last time i put a data CD/DVD in
> >> my driver. Current Debian does seem to do the right thing with Audio
> >> CDs, i used that a few times recently.
> >>
> >> Going back to the originally question, no distro is perfect. Each has
> >> there own issues. What is a HUGE issue for somebody might not even be
> >> noticed by others. It is often a case of pick your poison and give it
> >> a go.
> >>
> >> I've used Debian for donkeys years. I've been happy with it, but i'm a
> >> full on Computer Scientist, so user friendly clicky bunty is lower
> >> down my feature list than give my the power of a command line. That is
> >> not to say Debian does not do clicky bunty...
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  
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From justin.kremer at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 12:30:06 2015
From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:30:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Intel's $89 Linux HDMI stick coming in three
	months?
In-Reply-To: <CAB3QoP=81zgWXY6VLZB5FT=CR4v+ndPHXiJQq=ji+ZL2aAzLvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1501111855130.18955@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <CACEdYO22NwEF7kajvpWD3Yzxay3Q3NfJwiRz8jDAp=WyM_=p7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB3QoP=81zgWXY6VLZB5FT=CR4v+ndPHXiJQq=ji+ZL2aAzLvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC3D_tjORVUOX2jH+VUbvHM9ZjCRceC2a35FufRRzDQbn=bjTw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Brian Wall <kc0iog at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson
> <jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Will be interesting to see what they ultimately do when this gets released.
>
> I would guess that these are targeted as thin clients.  Instead of a
> small appliance that sites on/under a desk, it just plugs into the
> monitor.

I've seen these sorts of devices used as media player or digital
signage devices.  They've been around for a while, but the ones I've
used were severely underpowered. (and very cheap, even compared to
this)  They typically run some sort of Android OS, and the ones I
tried struggled to play back any sort of HD video content for any
significant amount of time.  If they're saying this can run a regular
Windows OS I would expect it may be more stable for media player or
signage tasks, too.
I also saw headlines about these referring to them as thumbdrives.
Anyone who buys one online thinking of that will be sorely
disappointed when they see how big they are compared to that.

From admin at lctn.org  Tue Jan 20 16:01:17 2015
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:01:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT network question
Message-ID: <54BED02D.1080009@lctn.org>

Off Topic:

I can expand on this question if needed,but wondering if a sustained 
ping is active through a specific route at the time a hop goes down and 
BGP is being used, will the ping follow the new route, uninterrupted, or 
have to be restarted? Asking, because it seems as though it does not 
adjust to the new route when this occurs and will time out till the hop 
comes back up, or the ping is restarted.

-- 
Raymond Norton
LCTN
952.955.7766


From kc0iog at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 19:30:14 2015
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:30:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT network question
In-Reply-To: <54BED02D.1080009@lctn.org>
References: <54BED02D.1080009@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <CAB3QoPn7+SfLNJhUrBZWF_4yVLkcgO6WvqDjzXedE6pb3N=HSw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> Off Topic:
>
> I can expand on this question if needed,but wondering if a sustained ping is
> active through a specific route at the time a hop goes down and BGP is being
> used, will the ping follow the new route, uninterrupted, or have to be
> restarted?

My un-educated answer: it depends.  If the BGP route is the next hop
from the machine sending the ping, then yes, you'll probably need to
restart.  The ping instance will continue to want to use the broken
path as its next hop.  If, however, you're downstream from the BGP
route (another hop between you and the BGP router) it shouldn't matter
because your machine's next hop wouldn't change.

Does that describe the behavior you're seeing?

Brian

From admin at lctn.org  Tue Jan 20 20:56:11 2015
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:56:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT network question
In-Reply-To: <CAB3QoPn7+SfLNJhUrBZWF_4yVLkcgO6WvqDjzXedE6pb3N=HSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54BED02D.1080009@lctn.org>
 <CAB3QoPn7+SfLNJhUrBZWF_4yVLkcgO6WvqDjzXedE6pb3N=HSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BF154B.2070500@lctn.org>


> My un-educated answer: it depends.  If the BGP route is the next hop
> from the machine sending the ping, then yes, you'll probably need to
> restart.  The ping instance will continue to want to use the broken
> path as its next hop.  If, however, you're downstream from the BGP
> route (another hop between you and the BGP router) it shouldn't matter
> because your machine's next hop wouldn't change.
>
> Does that describe the behavior you're seeing?


Specifically, this is what we have going: A couple school districts use 
Sonicwall firewalls. The fail-over system does a sustained ping to 
responder.sonicwall.com. The path it takes 100% of the time always hits 
northernlights.gigapop.net (146.57.252.194) and another dozen hops after 
that. The state has been having a lot of difficulty with this hop, 
because of some major routing changes made by the U of M for traffic 
destined to Chicago. Almost all of our districts never know there is a 
problem, because BGP on the state routers finds a better path. However, 
the two districts  (both use sonic) sustained pings insists on using the 
northernlights hop, thus triggering their fail-over circuit, even though 
there is not an actual Internet outage. Just trying to come to a 
definitive reason why this occurs so I can possibly find a fix .

From jus at krytosvirus.com  Tue Jan 20 21:19:59 2015
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 21:19:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT network question
Message-ID: <bkteu2gxe05077c9i9xb9nx6.1421809821194@email.android.com>

Well I guess I would ask how is it you know there is a BGP route change happening? Do you have bidirectional traceroutes? Much of the Internet has asymmetrical routing so even if you don't see a problem or change in one direction that doesn't mean the return path is the same or is problem free.?

In general, yes your pings will continue to work under a normal BGP re-routing, you may just see a change in RTT if the new path is faster or slower than the previous one. There is nothing special about plain old pings that would otherwise be affected by a route change.

What could be possible is one router along the problem path has some kind of filter that is filtering pings, doing DPI with some kind of filtering policy, or some other wonky behavior.

It's it clear if the sonicwalls in question are doing BGP or not (sounds like no). It is also not clear of the gigapops hop is the the sonicwalls first hop or not.



<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> </div><div>Date:01/20/2015  8:56 PM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT network question </div><div>
</div>
> My un-educated answer: it depends.  If the BGP route is the next hop
> from the machine sending the ping, then yes, you'll probably need to
> restart.  The ping instance will continue to want to use the broken
> path as its next hop.  If, however, you're downstream from the BGP
> route (another hop between you and the BGP router) it shouldn't matter
> because your machine's next hop wouldn't change.
>
> Does that describe the behavior you're seeing?


Specifically, this is what we have going: A couple school districts use 
Sonicwall firewalls. The fail-over system does a sustained ping to 
responder.sonicwall.com. The path it takes 100% of the time always hits 
northernlights.gigapop.net (146.57.252.194) and another dozen hops after 
that. The state has been having a lot of difficulty with this hop, 
because of some major routing changes made by the U of M for traffic 
destined to Chicago. Almost all of our districts never know there is a 
problem, because BGP on the state routers finds a better path. However, 
the two districts  (both use sonic) sustained pings insists on using the 
northernlights hop, thus triggering their fail-over circuit, even though 
there is not an actual Internet outage. Just trying to come to a 
definitive reason why this occurs so I can possibly find a fix .
_______________________________________________
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From admin at lctn.org  Tue Jan 20 21:36:29 2015
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 21:36:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT network question
In-Reply-To: <bkteu2gxe05077c9i9xb9nx6.1421809821194@email.android.com>
References: <bkteu2gxe05077c9i9xb9nx6.1421809821194@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <54BF1EBD.7030902@lctn.org>

Network engineers from the state communicated to me they use BGP.

The Sonic does not use BGP.

The northernlights hop is a good 10 hops away.


The Internet works for all other districts at the same time the sonic 
flips over to the fail-over, with no complaints that specific sites 
cannot be reached.


I can only assume the state really is using BGP. The one constant is the 
school traffic always follows the same path to responder.sonicwall.com



On 01/20/2015 09:19 PM, Justin Krejci wrote:
> Well I guess I would ask how is it you know there is a BGP route 
> change happening? Do you have bidirectional traceroutes? Much of the 
> Internet has asymmetrical routing so even if you don't see a problem 
> or change in one direction that doesn't mean the return path is the 
> same or is problem free.
>
> In general, yes your pings will continue to work under a normal BGP 
> re-routing, you may just see a change in RTT if the new path is faster 
> or slower than the previous one. There is nothing special about plain 
> old pings that would otherwise be affected by a route change.
>
> What could be possible is one router along the problem path has some 
> kind of filter that is filtering pings, doing DPI with some kind of 
> filtering policy, or some other wonky behavior.
>
> It's it clear if the sonicwalls in question are doing BGP or not 
> (sounds like no). It is also not clear of the gigapops hop is the the 
> sonicwalls first hop or not.
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Raymond Norton
> Date:01/20/2015 8:56 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT network question
>
>
> > My un-educated answer: it depends.  If the BGP route is the next hop
> > from the machine sending the ping, then yes, you'll probably need to
> > restart.  The ping instance will continue to want to use the broken
> > path as its next hop.  If, however, you're downstream from the BGP
> > route (another hop between you and the BGP router) it shouldn't matter
> > because your machine's next hop wouldn't change.
> >
> > Does that describe the behavior you're seeing?
>
>
> Specifically, this is what we have going: A couple school districts use
> Sonicwall firewalls. The fail-over system does a sustained ping to
> responder.sonicwall.com. The path it takes 100% of the time always hits
> northernlights.gigapop.net (146.57.252.194) and another dozen hops after
> that. The state has been having a lot of difficulty with this hop,
> because of some major routing changes made by the U of M for traffic
> destined to Chicago. Almost all of our districts never know there is a
> problem, because BGP on the state routers finds a better path. However,
> the two districts  (both use sonic) sustained pings insists on using the
> northernlights hop, thus triggering their fail-over circuit, even though
> there is not an actual Internet outage. Just trying to come to a
> definitive reason why this occurs so I can possibly find a fix .
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Tue Jan 20 21:55:40 2015
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 21:55:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT network question
Message-ID: <f6repql73msdafntcbgs18ut.1421812536252@email.android.com>

I wasn't questioning whether the state/gigapop is or isn't using BGP, I meant was BGP involved in your various incidents specifically? I get the feeling this kind of flip flopping of routing is sporadically occurring in a semi regular basis or something and not just a single isolated incident.

As for failover, I take it to mean a failover pair in an active-standby configuration and the standby unit becomes the active unit when one of these network incidents occur??

I would look into a tool like ping plotter. It will identify route changes, route performance, destination reachability, etc and have all of the historical info available from the duration of when you're running it. You can run it against the responder.sonicwall.com target and compare it's results to that of the behavior and/or logs of the sonicwall themselves.?




<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> </div><div>Date:01/20/2015  9:36 PM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT network question </div><div>
</div>Network engineers from the state communicated to me they use BGP.

The Sonic does not use BGP.

The northernlights hop is a good 10 hops away.


The Internet works for all other districts at the same time the sonic flips over to the fail-over, with no complaints that specific sites cannot be reached.


I can only assume the state really is using BGP. The one constant is the school traffic always follows the same path to responder.sonicwall.com



On 01/20/2015 09:19 PM, Justin Krejci wrote:
Well I guess I would ask how is it you know there is a BGP route change happening? Do you have bidirectional traceroutes? Much of the Internet has asymmetrical routing so even if you don't see a problem or change in one direction that doesn't mean the return path is the same or is problem free. 

In general, yes your pings will continue to work under a normal BGP re-routing, you may just see a change in RTT if the new path is faster or slower than the previous one. There is nothing special about plain old pings that would otherwise be affected by a route change.

What could be possible is one router along the problem path has some kind of filter that is filtering pings, doing DPI with some kind of filtering policy, or some other wonky behavior.

It's it clear if the sonicwalls in question are doing BGP or not (sounds like no). It is also not clear of the gigapops hop is the the sonicwalls first hop or not.



-------- Original message --------
From: Raymond Norton
Date:01/20/2015 8:56 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT network question


> My un-educated answer: it depends.  If the BGP route is the next hop
> from the machine sending the ping, then yes, you'll probably need to
> restart.  The ping instance will continue to want to use the broken
> path as its next hop.  If, however, you're downstream from the BGP
> route (another hop between you and the BGP router) it shouldn't matter
> because your machine's next hop wouldn't change.
>
> Does that describe the behavior you're seeing?


Specifically, this is what we have going: A couple school       districts use 
Sonicwall firewalls. The fail-over system does a sustained ping to 
responder.sonicwall.com. The path it takes 100% of the time always hits 
northernlights.gigapop.net (146.57.252.194) and another dozen hops after 
that. The state has been having a lot of difficulty with this hop, 
because of some major routing changes made by the U of M for traffic 
destined to Chicago. Almost all of our districts never know there is a 
problem, because BGP on the state routers finds a better path. However, 
the two districts  (both use sonic) sustained pings insists on using the 
northernlights hop, thus triggering their fail-over circuit, even though 
there is not an actual Internet outage. Just trying to come to a 
definitive reason why this occurs so I can possibly find a fix .
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 10:00:07 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:00:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
Message-ID: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>

I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was a new
kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but what is
shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what there
really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or clickable--on the
left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top.
(Shutdown is done by removal of the battery.)

I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried earlier
versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried what
they suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to
reinstall Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot)
will come across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem
to create a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was
recommended that I go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).

So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring the
computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so
pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this
computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there anyone here
who can help me? Thanks in advance.

Wendell Bell
wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
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From gsker at skerbitz.org  Wed Jan 21 10:46:00 2015
From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gerry)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:46:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
In-Reply-To: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1501211040030.29799@skerbitz.org>

Wendell,
I'd be happy to help -- Sounds like a fun puzzle. :-)

But you can probably succeed with a few hints.

Do you get a grub prompt?
Have you tried booting to single user mode from the grub prompt?
       http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub

Do the Alt-SysRq magic keys work?
     http://tazbuntu.blogspot.com/2008/05/magic-sysrq-key.html

Gerry

On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:

> I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was running 14.10
> on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was a new kernel, and something
> went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but what is shown on my laptop's screen is,
> seemingly, only the center of what there really is. The result is that there is
> nothing shown--or clickable--on the left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or
> clickable--on the top. (Shutdown is done by removal of the battery.)
> I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried earlier versions,
> went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried what they suggested etc. It
> looks like, from what they said, I will have to reinstall Ubuntu, and just hope that
> existing files (I don't have a lot) will come across. The problem is that I don't
> have a live CD and can't seem to create a USB stick on the Windows side of this
> Toshiba (it was recommended that I go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
> 
> So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring the computer to
> you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so pretty flexible as to
> timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this computer, and, again, have
> it--usably--up and running. Is there anyone here who can help me? Thanks in advance.
> [cleardot.gif]
> 
> Wendell Bell
> wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
> 
>

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 10:52:42 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:52:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
In-Reply-To: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO1=WTvqDNQszTL1Yxi3KVHG0TyA1L9PgEka8xx5fd9EWg@mail.gmail.com>

I only use Ubuntu for some servers, but maybe this will help. Try
control-alt-F2 once in the Unity gui, and see if you can pull up the
console (ssh, if installed and running, would be another way to access
it). If you can get there and log in, this should allow you to install
an older kernel with dpkg or apt-get. Although, your issues sound like
they are related to graphic drivers, which I would actually recommend
looking into first before downgrading the kernel.

Do you know if the graphics card is the stock Intel GPU for this
laptop? If so, what model is it? If you don't know, in the console run
sudo lspci and report the graphic chip set back. Hopefully you're able
to at least get to the command line.

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
> running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was a new
> kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but what is
> shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what there
> really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or clickable--on the
> left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top. (Shutdown
> is done by removal of the battery.)
>
> I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried earlier
> versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried what they
> suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to reinstall
> Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot) will come
> across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem to create
> a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was recommended that I
> go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
>
> So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring the
> computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so
> pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this
> computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there anyone here
> who can help me? Thanks in advance.
>
> Wendell Bell
> wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From cdf123 at cdf123.net  Wed Jan 21 10:47:30 2015
From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:47:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
In-Reply-To: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BFD822.3000803@cdf123.net>

I'm not in the metro area, so not able to help that way, sorry :(

But, can't you CTRL+ALT+F2 (or F3, etc...) to get to a console and start working from there?

It sounds like an issue with Xorg (zooming, or bad resolution settings, etc...).  I'm assuming Ubuntu lets xorg automagicly detect devices, so 
you might be able to create/edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and get it to a working state.  Try switching the display driver from your native 
driver to a generic frame buffer, or svga driver.

The other issue that I've run into that's similar to this is grub2's framebuffer conflicting with Xorg.  I have a netbook here that I've loaded 
Ubuntu derivatives on and it would boot up to a completely black screen.  I eventually dug through grub2's config and forced it to run in text 
mode, and it magically fixed the screen.

Hope these ideas help.  Downgrading distros can be painful, and it would be best to avoid that if you could.

On 01/21/15 10:00, Wendell Bell wrote:
> I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
> running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was a new
> kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but what is
> shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what there
> really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or clickable--on the
> left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top.
> (Shutdown is done by removal of the battery.)
>
> I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried earlier
> versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried what
> they suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to
> reinstall Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot)
> will come across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem
> to create a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was
> recommended that I go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
>
> So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring the
> computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so
> pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this
> computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there anyone here
> who can help me? Thanks in advance.
>
> Wendell Bell
> wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 12:09:29 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:09:29 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
References: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACEdYO1=WTvqDNQszTL1Yxi3KVHG0TyA1L9PgEka8xx5fd9EWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+PY3z2gXY+LY39z-5sR2yT-_1LJgJnNiH+WwS4A2A19OKJQiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jeremy,

My grub lets me, under Advanced options for Ubuntu, select earlier Linux
kernels in either regular or recovery mode. But with every one I've tried,
still the same problem--just seeing what seems to be the center of the
screen only.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 10:53 AM Jeremy MountainJohnson <
jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I only use Ubuntu for some servers, but maybe this will help. Try
> control-alt-F2 once in the Unity gui, and see if you can pull up the
> console (ssh, if installed and running, would be another way to access
> it). If you can get there and log in, this should allow you to install
> an older kernel with dpkg or apt-get. Although, your issues sound like
> they are related to graphic drivers, which I would actually recommend
> looking into first before downgrading the kernel.
>
> Do you know if the graphics card is the stock Intel GPU for this
> laptop? If so, what model is it? If you don't know, in the console run
> sudo lspci and report the graphic chip set back. Hopefully you're able
> to at least get to the command line.
>
> --
> Jeremy MountainJohnson
> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
> > running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was a
> new
> > kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but what is
> > shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what there
> > really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or clickable--on
> the
> > left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top.
> (Shutdown
> > is done by removal of the battery.)
> >
> > I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried earlier
> > versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried what
> they
> > suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to
> reinstall
> > Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot) will come
> > across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem to
> create
> > a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was recommended that
> I
> > go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
> >
> > So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring the
> > computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so
> > pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this
> > computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there anyone
> here
> > who can help me? Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Wendell Bell
> > wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 12:12:40 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:12:40 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
References: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACEdYO1=WTvqDNQszTL1Yxi3KVHG0TyA1L9PgEka8xx5fd9EWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+PY3z1CshgM9QGD1gDB7Ye7ANCeu6cS0vHEQE_0LsM82vs_Pg@mail.gmail.com>

Jeremy,

I forgot:: sudo lspci didn't work from the grub command line, because, it
said, sudo wasn''t a recognized command.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 10:53 AM Jeremy MountainJohnson <
jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I only use Ubuntu for some servers, but maybe this will help. Try
> control-alt-F2 once in the Unity gui, and see if you can pull up the
> console (ssh, if installed and running, would be another way to access
> it). If you can get there and log in, this should allow you to install
> an older kernel with dpkg or apt-get. Although, your issues sound like
> they are related to graphic drivers, which I would actually recommend
> looking into first before downgrading the kernel.
>
> Do you know if the graphics card is the stock Intel GPU for this
> laptop? If so, what model is it? If you don't know, in the console run
> sudo lspci and report the graphic chip set back. Hopefully you're able
> to at least get to the command line.
>
> --
> Jeremy MountainJohnson
> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
> > running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was a
> new
> > kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but what is
> > shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what there
> > really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or clickable--on
> the
> > left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top.
> (Shutdown
> > is done by removal of the battery.)
> >
> > I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried earlier
> > versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried what
> they
> > suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to
> reinstall
> > Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot) will come
> > across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem to
> create
> > a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was recommended that
> I
> > go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
> >
> > So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring the
> > computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so
> > pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this
> > computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there anyone
> here
> > who can help me? Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Wendell Bell
> > wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From TNeu at sjm.com  Wed Jan 21 12:13:47 2015
From: TNeu at sjm.com (Neu, Timothy)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:13:47 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
In-Reply-To: <CA+PY3z2gXY+LY39z-5sR2yT-_1LJgJnNiH+WwS4A2A19OKJQiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACEdYO1=WTvqDNQszTL1Yxi3KVHG0TyA1L9PgEka8xx5fd9EWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+PY3z2gXY+LY39z-5sR2yT-_1LJgJnNiH+WwS4A2A19OKJQiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1484DBEEB175C3479AA567DDC6AEE295C0EC3EA0@USSPPMSG07.ad.sjm.com>

Control-Alt and the + / - keys on the number pad used to cycle through available display resolutions in X11 and I believe still does.

I would try that.


From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Wendell Bell
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:09 PM
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring computer to you (in the metro area)


Jeremy,

My grub lets me, under Advanced options for Ubuntu, select earlier Linux kernels in either regular or recovery mode. But with every one I've tried, still the same problem--just seeing what seems to be the center of the screen only.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 10:53 AM Jeremy MountainJohnson <jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com<mailto:jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com>> wrote:
I only use Ubuntu for some servers, but maybe this will help. Try
control-alt-F2 once in the Unity gui, and see if you can pull up the
console (ssh, if installed and running, would be another way to access
it). If you can get there and log in, this should allow you to install
an older kernel with dpkg or apt-get. Although, your issues sound like
they are related to graphic drivers, which I would actually recommend
looking into first before downgrading the kernel.

Do you know if the graphics card is the stock Intel GPU for this
laptop? If so, what model is it? If you don't know, in the console run
sudo lspci and report the graphic chip set back. Hopefully you're able
to at least get to the command line.

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com<mailto:Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com>


On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com<mailto:wendell.bell at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
> running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was a new
> kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but what is
> shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what there
> really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or clickable--on the
> left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top. (Shutdown
> is done by removal of the battery.)
>
> I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried earlier
> versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried what they
> suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to reinstall
> Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot) will come
> across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem to create
> a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was recommended that I
> go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
>
> So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring the
> computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so
> pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this
> computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there anyone here
> who can help me? Thanks in advance.
>
> Wendell Bell
> wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org<mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 12:24:25 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:24:25 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
References: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
 <54BFD822.3000803@cdf123.net>
Message-ID: <CA+PY3z2UsbAevsDXvQMMb0RSQ4HvhxBPvYBf6st3=YG2h8T1vw@mail.gmail.com>

Chris,

CTRL+ALT+F2 gets me to a blinking cursor, but that's all: can''t type or
anything.

>From what I read on the main Ubuntu help, I would bet that it is what
you're describing, if not the new kernel, for whatever reason, installing
itself sideways. But that doesn't mean that I can fix it any more than I
can fix the Packers' defensive problems late.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 10:55 AM Chris Frederick <cdf123 at cdf123.net> wrote:

> I'm not in the metro area, so not able to help that way, sorry :(
>
> But, can't you CTRL+ALT+F2 (or F3, etc...) to get to a console and start
> working from there?
>
> It sounds like an issue with Xorg (zooming, or bad resolution settings,
> etc...).  I'm assuming Ubuntu lets xorg automagicly detect devices, so
> you might be able to create/edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and get it
> to a working state.  Try switching the display driver from your native
> driver to a generic frame buffer, or svga driver.
>
> The other issue that I've run into that's similar to this is grub2's
> framebuffer conflicting with Xorg.  I have a netbook here that I've loaded
> Ubuntu derivatives on and it would boot up to a completely black screen.
> I eventually dug through grub2's config and forced it to run in text
> mode, and it magically fixed the screen.
>
> Hope these ideas help.  Downgrading distros can be painful, and it would
> be best to avoid that if you could.
>
> On 01/21/15 10:00, Wendell Bell wrote:
> > I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
> > running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was a
> new
> > kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but what is
> > shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what there
> > really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or clickable--on
> the
> > left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top.
> > (Shutdown is done by removal of the battery.)
> >
> > I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried earlier
> > versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried what
> > they suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to
> > reinstall Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot)
> > will come across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't
> seem
> > to create a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was
> > recommended that I go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
> >
> > So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring the
> > computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so
> > pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this
> > computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there anyone
> here
> > who can help me? Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Wendell Bell
> > wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 12:40:37 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:40:37 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Timothy,

The Toshiba is a laptop, so no number pad, but I did try that combination
to no effect.

Something I just realized: before I log in, the top bar IS there, and it
looks as it did. But after I log in, it, too, vanishes.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 12:19 PM Neu, Timothy <TNeu at sjm.com> wrote:

>  Control-Alt and the + / - keys on the number pad used to cycle through
> available display resolutions in X11 and I believe still does.
>
>
> I would try that.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Wendell Bell
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:09 PM
> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay &
> bring computer to you (in the metro area)
>
>
>
> Jeremy,
>
> My grub lets me, under Advanced options for Ubuntu, select earlier Linux
> kernels in either regular or recovery mode. But with every one I've tried,
> still the same problem--just seeing what seems to be the center of the
> screen only.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 10:53 AM Jeremy MountainJohnson <
> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I only use Ubuntu for some servers, but maybe this will help. Try
> control-alt-F2 once in the Unity gui, and see if you can pull up the
> console (ssh, if installed and running, would be another way to access
> it). If you can get there and log in, this should allow you to install
> an older kernel with dpkg or apt-get. Although, your issues sound like
> they are related to graphic drivers, which I would actually recommend
> looking into first before downgrading the kernel.
>
> Do you know if the graphics card is the stock Intel GPU for this
> laptop? If so, what model is it? If you don't know, in the console run
> sudo lspci and report the graphic chip set back. Hopefully you're able
> to at least get to the command line.
>
> --
> Jeremy MountainJohnson
> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
> > running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was a
> new
> > kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but what is
> > shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what there
> > really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or clickable--on
> the
> > left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top.
> (Shutdown
> > is done by removal of the battery.)
> >
> > I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried earlier
> > versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried what
> they
> > suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to
> reinstall
> > Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot) will come
> > across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem to
> create
> > a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was recommended that
> I
> > go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
> >
> > So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring the
> > computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so
> > pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this
> > computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there anyone
> here
> > who can help me? Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Wendell Bell
> > wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From andrew.krull at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 12:49:28 2015
From: andrew.krull at gmail.com (Andrew Krull)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 12:49:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Wendell,

Have you taken an install disk and booted into a live environment and at
least backed up your data?

--
Andrew Krull

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Timothy,
>
> The Toshiba is a laptop, so no number pad, but I did try that combination
> to no effect.
>
> Something I just realized: before I log in, the top bar IS there, and it
> looks as it did. But after I log in, it, too, vanishes.
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 12:19 PM Neu, Timothy <TNeu at sjm.com> wrote:
>
>>  Control-Alt and the + / - keys on the number pad used to cycle through
>> available display resolutions in X11 and I believe still does.
>>
>>
>> I would try that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
>> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Wendell Bell
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:09 PM
>> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
>> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay &
>> bring computer to you (in the metro area)
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> My grub lets me, under Advanced options for Ubuntu, select earlier Linux
>> kernels in either regular or recovery mode. But with every one I've tried,
>> still the same problem--just seeing what seems to be the center of the
>> screen only.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 10:53 AM Jeremy MountainJohnson <
>> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I only use Ubuntu for some servers, but maybe this will help. Try
>> control-alt-F2 once in the Unity gui, and see if you can pull up the
>> console (ssh, if installed and running, would be another way to access
>> it). If you can get there and log in, this should allow you to install
>> an older kernel with dpkg or apt-get. Although, your issues sound like
>> they are related to graphic drivers, which I would actually recommend
>> looking into first before downgrading the kernel.
>>
>> Do you know if the graphics card is the stock Intel GPU for this
>> laptop? If so, what model is it? If you don't know, in the console run
>> sudo lspci and report the graphic chip set back. Hopefully you're able
>> to at least get to the command line.
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy MountainJohnson
>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
>> > running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was a
>> new
>> > kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but what
>> is
>> > shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what there
>> > really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or clickable--on
>> the
>> > left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top.
>> (Shutdown
>> > is done by removal of the battery.)
>> >
>> > I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried
>> earlier
>> > versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried what
>> they
>> > suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to
>> reinstall
>> > Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot) will come
>> > across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem to
>> create
>> > a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was recommended
>> that I
>> > go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
>> >
>> > So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring the
>> > computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so
>> > pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this
>> > computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there anyone
>> here
>> > who can help me? Thanks in advance.
>> >
>> > Wendell Bell
>> > wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>> This communication, including any attachments, may contain information
>> that is proprietary, privileged, confidential or legally exempt from
>> disclosure. If you are not a named addressee, you are hereby notified that
>> you are not authorized to read, print, retain a copy of or disseminate any
>> portion of this communication without the consent of the sender and that
>> doing so may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error,
>> please immediately notify the sender via return e-mail and delete it from
>> your system. In order to safeguard its employee data as well as sensitive
>> patient, customer, business, legal and other information, the company uses
>> all lawful means, under all applicable law, to access, monitor, preserve,
>> collect and review all communications between employees and all other users
>> only when, and to the extent necessary, to fulfill investigatory and other
>> important business and legal responsibilities. By responding to this
>> communication, or initiating additional communication with the company, you
>> consent to such lawful monitoring, to the extent such consent is required
>> and valid in your local area.
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>>
>
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 13:34:37 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:34:37 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Andrew,

That's kind of why I'm pleading for help: I've tried, from the Windows
side, to create a disk and/or a USB stick that will work, but failed.

As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any different.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 12:50 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wendell,
>
> Have you taken an install disk and booted into a live environment and at
> least backed up your data?
>
> --
> Andrew Krull
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Timothy,
>>
>> The Toshiba is a laptop, so no number pad, but I did try that combination
>> to no effect.
>>
>> Something I just realized: before I log in, the top bar IS there, and it
>> looks as it did. But after I log in, it, too, vanishes.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 12:19 PM Neu, Timothy <TNeu at sjm.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Control-Alt and the + / - keys on the number pad used to cycle through
>>> available display resolutions in X11 and I believe still does.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would try that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
>>> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Wendell Bell
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:09 PM
>>> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay &
>>> bring computer to you (in the metro area)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeremy,
>>>
>>> My grub lets me, under Advanced options for Ubuntu, select earlier Linux
>>> kernels in either regular or recovery mode. But with every one I've tried,
>>> still the same problem--just seeing what seems to be the center of the
>>> screen only.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 10:53 AM Jeremy MountainJohnson <
>>> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I only use Ubuntu for some servers, but maybe this will help. Try
>>> control-alt-F2 once in the Unity gui, and see if you can pull up the
>>> console (ssh, if installed and running, would be another way to access
>>> it). If you can get there and log in, this should allow you to install
>>> an older kernel with dpkg or apt-get. Although, your issues sound like
>>> they are related to graphic drivers, which I would actually recommend
>>> looking into first before downgrading the kernel.
>>>
>>> Do you know if the graphics card is the stock Intel GPU for this
>>> laptop? If so, what model is it? If you don't know, in the console run
>>> sudo lspci and report the graphic chip set back. Hopefully you're able
>>> to at least get to the command line.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy MountainJohnson
>>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
>>> > running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was
>>> a new
>>> > kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but what
>>> is
>>> > shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what
>>> there
>>> > really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or clickable--on
>>> the
>>> > left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top.
>>> (Shutdown
>>> > is done by removal of the battery.)
>>> >
>>> > I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried
>>> earlier
>>> > versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried
>>> what they
>>> > suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to
>>> reinstall
>>> > Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot) will
>>> come
>>> > across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem to
>>> create
>>> > a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was recommended
>>> that I
>>> > go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
>>> >
>>> > So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring
>>> the
>>> > computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so
>>> > pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this
>>> > computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there anyone
>>> here
>>> > who can help me? Thanks in advance.
>>> >
>>> > Wendell Bell
>>> > wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>> This communication, including any attachments, may contain information
>>> that is proprietary, privileged, confidential or legally exempt from
>>> disclosure. If you are not a named addressee, you are hereby notified that
>>> you are not authorized to read, print, retain a copy of or disseminate any
>>> portion of this communication without the consent of the sender and that
>>> doing so may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error,
>>> please immediately notify the sender via return e-mail and delete it from
>>> your system. In order to safeguard its employee data as well as sensitive
>>> patient, customer, business, legal and other information, the company uses
>>> all lawful means, under all applicable law, to access, monitor, preserve,
>>> collect and review all communications between employees and all other users
>>> only when, and to the extent necessary, to fulfill investigatory and other
>>> important business and legal responsibilities. By responding to this
>>> communication, or initiating additional communication with the company, you
>>> consent to such lawful monitoring, to the extent such consent is required
>>> and valid in your local area.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com (Kelly Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:01:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
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On the Windows side it will not let you use unetbootin to make a bootable
usb. I'm new to the group my wife and I were thinking of moving up by the
twin cities. Currently I am in the NWIA area. If I was closer I would help
you I have been using Linux for 15yrs off and on, but it the primary OS.
Can you get in the Windows side at all?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> That's kind of why I'm pleading for help: I've tried, from the Windows
> side, to create a disk and/or a USB stick that will work, but failed.
>
> As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any different.
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 12:50 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wendell,
>>
>> Have you taken an install disk and booted into a live environment and at
>> least backed up your data?
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Krull
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Timothy,
>>>
>>> The Toshiba is a laptop, so no number pad, but I did try that
>>> combination to no effect.
>>>
>>> Something I just realized: before I log in, the top bar IS there, and it
>>> looks as it did. But after I log in, it, too, vanishes.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 12:19 PM Neu, Timothy <TNeu at sjm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Control-Alt and the + / - keys on the number pad used to cycle
>>>> through available display resolutions in X11 and I believe still does.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would try that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
>>>> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Wendell Bell
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:09 PM
>>>> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay &
>>>> bring computer to you (in the metro area)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeremy,
>>>>
>>>> My grub lets me, under Advanced options for Ubuntu, select earlier
>>>> Linux kernels in either regular or recovery mode. But with every one I've
>>>> tried, still the same problem--just seeing what seems to be the center of
>>>> the screen only.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 10:53 AM Jeremy MountainJohnson <
>>>> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I only use Ubuntu for some servers, but maybe this will help. Try
>>>> control-alt-F2 once in the Unity gui, and see if you can pull up the
>>>> console (ssh, if installed and running, would be another way to access
>>>> it). If you can get there and log in, this should allow you to install
>>>> an older kernel with dpkg or apt-get. Although, your issues sound like
>>>> they are related to graphic drivers, which I would actually recommend
>>>> looking into first before downgrading the kernel.
>>>>
>>>> Do you know if the graphics card is the stock Intel GPU for this
>>>> laptop? If so, what model is it? If you don't know, in the console run
>>>> sudo lspci and report the graphic chip set back. Hopefully you're able
>>>> to at least get to the command line.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeremy MountainJohnson
>>>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
>>>> > running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there was
>>>> a new
>>>> > kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but
>>>> what is
>>>> > shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what
>>>> there
>>>> > really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or
>>>> clickable--on the
>>>> > left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top.
>>>> (Shutdown
>>>> > is done by removal of the battery.)
>>>> >
>>>> > I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried
>>>> earlier
>>>> > versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried
>>>> what they
>>>> > suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to
>>>> reinstall
>>>> > Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot) will
>>>> come
>>>> > across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem to
>>>> create
>>>> > a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was recommended
>>>> that I
>>>> > go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
>>>> >
>>>> > So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring
>>>> the
>>>> > computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired, so
>>>> > pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on this
>>>> > computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there
>>>> anyone here
>>>> > who can help me? Thanks in advance.
>>>> >
>>>> > Wendell Bell
>>>> > wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>> This communication, including any attachments, may contain information
>>>> that is proprietary, privileged, confidential or legally exempt from
>>>> disclosure. If you are not a named addressee, you are hereby notified that
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>>>> portion of this communication without the consent of the sender and that
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>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:05:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:

> As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any different.

Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no way 
to live!

My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is very 
probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers 
skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...


From andrew.krull at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 14:17:37 2015
From: andrew.krull at gmail.com (Andrew Krull)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:17:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Wendell,

Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this machine (#1
thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the machine is
getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap, logs, etc)? If
these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the system.

The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6) doesn't
yield a terminal window with a login prompt?

Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area and could
help if need be.

Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to ensure
hardware is all working...

--
Andrew Krull

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any different.
>>
>
> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no way
> to live!
>
> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is very
> probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 14:21:33 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:21:33 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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In my defense, I was writing code, in Fortran and MAP, for use on IIT's IBM
7040 back in 1965.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:06 PM null <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
> > As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
> > hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
> different.
>
> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no way
> to live!
>
> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is very
> probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 14:26:19 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:26:19 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Yes, the grub lets me select Windows rather than Ubuntu, and, once
selected, it loads normally.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:02 PM Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On the Windows side it will not let you use unetbootin to make a bootable
> usb. I'm new to the group my wife and I were thinking of moving up by the
> twin cities. Currently I am in the NWIA area. If I was closer I would help
> you I have been using Linux for 15yrs off and on, but it the primary OS.
> Can you get in the Windows side at all?
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> That's kind of why I'm pleading for help: I've tried, from the Windows
>> side, to create a disk and/or a USB stick that will work, but failed.
>>
>> As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any different.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 12:50 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wendell,
>>>
>>> Have you taken an install disk and booted into a live environment and at
>>> least backed up your data?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Krull
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Timothy,
>>>>
>>>> The Toshiba is a laptop, so no number pad, but I did try that
>>>> combination to no effect.
>>>>
>>>> Something I just realized: before I log in, the top bar IS there, and
>>>> it looks as it did. But after I log in, it, too, vanishes.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 12:19 PM Neu, Timothy <TNeu at sjm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Control-Alt and the + / - keys on the number pad used to cycle
>>>>> through available display resolutions in X11 and I believe still does.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would try that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
>>>>> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Wendell Bell
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:09 PM
>>>>> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay &
>>>>> bring computer to you (in the metro area)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeremy,
>>>>>
>>>>> My grub lets me, under Advanced options for Ubuntu, select earlier
>>>>> Linux kernels in either regular or recovery mode. But with every one I've
>>>>> tried, still the same problem--just seeing what seems to be the center of
>>>>> the screen only.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 10:53 AM Jeremy MountainJohnson <
>>>>> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I only use Ubuntu for some servers, but maybe this will help. Try
>>>>> control-alt-F2 once in the Unity gui, and see if you can pull up the
>>>>> console (ssh, if installed and running, would be another way to access
>>>>> it). If you can get there and log in, this should allow you to install
>>>>> an older kernel with dpkg or apt-get. Although, your issues sound like
>>>>> they are related to graphic drivers, which I would actually recommend
>>>>> looking into first before downgrading the kernel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know if the graphics card is the stock Intel GPU for this
>>>>> laptop? If so, what model is it? If you don't know, in the console run
>>>>> sudo lspci and report the graphic chip set back. Hopefully you're able
>>>>> to at least get to the command line.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jeremy MountainJohnson
>>>>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I was
>>>>> > running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there
>>>>> was a new
>>>>> > kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but
>>>>> what is
>>>>> > shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what
>>>>> there
>>>>> > really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or
>>>>> clickable--on the
>>>>> > left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top.
>>>>> (Shutdown
>>>>> > is done by removal of the battery.)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried
>>>>> earlier
>>>>> > versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried
>>>>> what they
>>>>> > suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to
>>>>> reinstall
>>>>> > Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot) will
>>>>> come
>>>>> > across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem to
>>>>> create
>>>>> > a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was recommended
>>>>> that I
>>>>> > go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll bring
>>>>> the
>>>>> > computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired,
>>>>> so
>>>>> > pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on
>>>>> this
>>>>> > computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there
>>>>> anyone here
>>>>> > who can help me? Thanks in advance.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Wendell Bell
>>>>> > wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>> >
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>> This communication, including any attachments, may contain information
>>>>> that is proprietary, privileged, confidential or legally exempt from
>>>>> disclosure. If you are not a named addressee, you are hereby notified that
>>>>> you are not authorized to read, print, retain a copy of or disseminate any
>>>>> portion of this communication without the consent of the sender and that
>>>>> doing so may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error,
>>>>> please immediately notify the sender via return e-mail and delete it from
>>>>> your system. In order to safeguard its employee data as well as sensitive
>>>>> patient, customer, business, legal and other information, the company uses
>>>>> all lawful means, under all applicable law, to access, monitor, preserve,
>>>>> collect and review all communications between employees and all other users
>>>>> only when, and to the extent necessary, to fulfill investigatory and other
>>>>> important business and legal responsibilities. By responding to this
>>>>> communication, or initiating additional communication with the company, you
>>>>> consent to such lawful monitoring, to the extent such consent is required
>>>>> and valid in your local area.
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
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From kellywilliams81 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 14:33:12 2015
From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com (Kelly Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:33:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Have you used unetbootin before to make a bootable flashdrive?


On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes, the grub lets me select Windows rather than Ubuntu, and, once
> selected, it loads normally.
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:02 PM Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On the Windows side it will not let you use unetbootin to make a bootable
>> usb. I'm new to the group my wife and I were thinking of moving up by the
>> twin cities. Currently I am in the NWIA area. If I was closer I would help
>> you I have been using Linux for 15yrs off and on, but it the primary OS.
>> Can you get in the Windows side at all?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> That's kind of why I'm pleading for help: I've tried, from the Windows
>>> side, to create a disk and/or a USB stick that will work, but failed.
>>>
>>> As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any different.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 12:50 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wendell,
>>>>
>>>> Have you taken an install disk and booted into a live environment and
>>>> at least backed up your data?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Timothy,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Toshiba is a laptop, so no number pad, but I did try that
>>>>> combination to no effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something I just realized: before I log in, the top bar IS there, and
>>>>> it looks as it did. But after I log in, it, too, vanishes.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 12:19 PM Neu, Timothy <TNeu at sjm.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Control-Alt and the + / - keys on the number pad used to cycle
>>>>>> through available display resolutions in X11 and I believe still does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would try that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
>>>>>> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Wendell Bell
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:09 PM
>>>>>> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay
>>>>>> & bring computer to you (in the metro area)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeremy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My grub lets me, under Advanced options for Ubuntu, select earlier
>>>>>> Linux kernels in either regular or recovery mode. But with every one I've
>>>>>> tried, still the same problem--just seeing what seems to be the center of
>>>>>> the screen only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 10:53 AM Jeremy MountainJohnson <
>>>>>> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only use Ubuntu for some servers, but maybe this will help. Try
>>>>>> control-alt-F2 once in the Unity gui, and see if you can pull up the
>>>>>> console (ssh, if installed and running, would be another way to access
>>>>>> it). If you can get there and log in, this should allow you to install
>>>>>> an older kernel with dpkg or apt-get. Although, your issues sound like
>>>>>> they are related to graphic drivers, which I would actually recommend
>>>>>> looking into first before downgrading the kernel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know if the graphics card is the stock Intel GPU for this
>>>>>> laptop? If so, what model is it? If you don't know, in the console run
>>>>>> sudo lspci and report the graphic chip set back. Hopefully you're able
>>>>>> to at least get to the command line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jeremy MountainJohnson
>>>>>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Wendell Bell <
>>>>>> wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > I have been using Ubuntu for over 4 years and it has been good. I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> > running 14.10 on a Toshiba R835 P56X--until December. Then, there
>>>>>> was a new
>>>>>> > kernel, and something went badly wrong. Ubuntu seems to load, but
>>>>>> what is
>>>>>> > shown on my laptop's screen is, seemingly, only the center of what
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> > really is. The result is that there is nothing shown--or
>>>>>> clickable--on the
>>>>>> > left side with Unity, and nothing shown--or clickable--on the top.
>>>>>> (Shutdown
>>>>>> > is done by removal of the battery.)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I've done everything I could think of: tried recovery mode, tried
>>>>>> earlier
>>>>>> > versions, went onto the Ubuntu forums seeking their counsel, tried
>>>>>> what they
>>>>>> > suggested etc. It looks like, from what they said, I will have to
>>>>>> reinstall
>>>>>> > Ubuntu, and just hope that existing files (I don't have a lot) will
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> > across. The problem is that I don't have a live CD and can't seem
>>>>>> to create
>>>>>> > a USB stick on the Windows side of this Toshiba (it was recommended
>>>>>> that I
>>>>>> > go back to, and stick with 14.04 LTS).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > So, HELP! I'll pay whatever's fair, up to about $100. And I'll
>>>>>> bring the
>>>>>> > computer to you, at a date and time convenient to you (I'm retired,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> > pretty flexible as to timing). But I would like to have Ubuntu on
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> > computer, and, again, have it--usably--up and running. Is there
>>>>>> anyone here
>>>>>> > who can help me? Thanks in advance.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Wendell Bell
>>>>>> > wendell dot bell--gmail dot com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>> >
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>>>>>
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 14:37:19 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:37:19 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a bar on
top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.

I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to the
person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).

Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the hardware is
OK.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wendell,
>
> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this machine
> (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the machine is
> getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap, logs, etc)? If
> these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the system.
>
> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6) doesn't
> yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>
> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area and
> could help if need be.
>
> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to ensure
> hardware is all working...
>
> --
> Andrew Krull
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>
>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>> different.
>>>
>>
>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no way
>> to live!
>>
>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is very
>> probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From andrew.krull at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 14:47:13 2015
From: andrew.krull at gmail.com (Andrew Krull)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:47:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Wendell,

I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something about it.
Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half way if you
wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?

--
Andrew Krull

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a bar on
> top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>
> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to the
> person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>
> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the hardware
> is OK.
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wendell,
>>
>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this machine
>> (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the machine is
>> getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap, logs, etc)? If
>> these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the system.
>>
>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6) doesn't
>> yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>
>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area and
>> could help if need be.
>>
>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to ensure
>> hardware is all working...
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Krull
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>
>>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>>> different.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no way
>>> to live!
>>>
>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is very
>>> probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 14:49:50 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:49:50 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wendell,
>
> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something about
> it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half way if
> you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>
> --
> Andrew Krull
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a bar on
>> top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>
>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to the
>> person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>>
>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the hardware
>> is OK.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wendell,
>>>
>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this machine
>>> (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the machine is
>>> getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap, logs, etc)? If
>>> these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the system.
>>>
>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6) doesn't
>>> yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>
>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area and
>>> could help if need be.
>>>
>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to ensure
>>> hardware is all working...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Krull
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>>>> different.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no
>>>> way to live!
>>>>
>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is very
>>>> probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Jan 21 15:00:08 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:00:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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No offence meant! But you have to admit that "I lose all my data when I 
upgrade my hardware" is a bit weird...

On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:

> 
> In my defense, I was writing code, in Fortran and MAP, for use on IIT's IBM
> 7040 back in 1965.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:06 PM?null <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>       On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
>       > As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data
>       with every
>       > hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be
>       any different.
>
>       Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's
>       just no way
>       to live!
>
>       My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is
>       very
>       probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use
>       Computers
>       skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>
>       _______________________________________________
>       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
>

From andrew.krull at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 15:28:35 2015
From: andrew.krull at gmail.com (Andrew Krull)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:28:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
In-Reply-To: <CA+PY3z2vPFsDHK93_i-_LcFWWZu8UNM6LwG-qMUmRyWffcJzLw@mail.gmail.com>
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Wendell,

Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?

--
Andrew Krull

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wendell,
>>
>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something about
>> it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half way if
>> you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Krull
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a bar on
>>> top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>>
>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to the
>>> person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>>>
>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the hardware
>>> is OK.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wendell,
>>>>
>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this machine
>>>> (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the machine is
>>>> getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap, logs, etc)? If
>>>> these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the system.
>>>>
>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6) doesn't
>>>> yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>>
>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area and
>>>> could help if need be.
>>>>
>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to ensure
>>>> hardware is all working...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with
>>>>>> every
>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no
>>>>> way to live!
>>>>>
>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is very
>>>>> probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 15:31:54 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:31:54 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish driver's
cap.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wendell,
>
> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>
> --
> Andrew Krull
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wendell,
>>>
>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something about
>>> it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half way if
>>> you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Krull
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a bar
>>>> on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>>>
>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to the
>>>> person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>>>>
>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
>>>> hardware is OK.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this
>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the
>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap,
>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6) doesn't
>>>>> yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area and
>>>>> could help if need be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to ensure
>>>>> hardware is all working...
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no
>>>>>> way to live!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is very
>>>>>> probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From andrew.krull at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 16:23:09 2015
From: andrew.krull at gmail.com (Andrew Krull)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:23:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Great, I will be wearing a bright yellow hat.

--
Andrew Krull

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish driver's
> cap.
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wendell,
>>
>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Krull
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wendell,
>>>>
>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something about
>>>> it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half way if
>>>> you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a bar
>>>>> on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to the
>>>>> person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
>>>>> hardware is OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this
>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the
>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap,
>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area and
>>>>>> could help if need be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to ensure
>>>>>> hardware is all working...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with
>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no
>>>>>>> way to live!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is
>>>>>>> very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 17:30:43 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:30:43 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Even when I worked for a Fortune 100 company, most files on the C drives,
not backed up on a network drive, did not survive either an equipment or an
operating system upgrade. The IS people said they would migrate stuff, but
then it wouldn't work etc. etc.

Oh, and until almost 2014, we were limited to
20MB on the network drives per employee without special dispensation, which
required VP-level approval.

And Sprint brings over hardly anything when you upgrade phones.

I know they always say to back up your files, but when they aren't
reclaimable when needed...

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:00 PM null <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> No offence meant! But you have to admit that "I lose all my data when I
> upgrade my hardware" is a bit weird...
>
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
> >
> > In my defense, I was writing code, in Fortran and MAP, for use on IIT's
> IBM
> > 7040 back in 1965.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:06 PM null <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> >       On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
> >
> >       > As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data
> >       with every
> >       > hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be
> >       any different.
> >
> >       Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's
> >       just no way
> >       to live!
> >
> >       My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is
> >       very
> >       probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use
> >       Computers
> >       skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
> >
> >       _______________________________________________
> >       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Jan 21 17:40:57 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:40:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:

> Even when I worked for a Fortune 100 company, most files on the C drives,
> not backed up on a network drive, did not survive either an equipment or an
> operating system upgrade. The IS people said they would migrate stuff, but
> then it wouldn't work etc. etc.


That is absolutely insane, and I really would like to think that's 
isolated to a very small number of companies. I've worked for... I have no 
idea what Fortune Number companies, but definitely gigantic ones. Most 
people, and we're talking hundreds of thousands, their computers were set 
up to AUTOMATICALLY save everything to the network. Most (i.e., regular) 
users could not change this, or install/uninstall software, or really have 
any control over their computers.

The situation you describe would be 100% unacceptable. In fact, I don't 
see how any large company could function that way.

> And Sprint brings over hardly anything when you upgrade phones.

That one I hear you on. Phones, especially the way we use them in the US, 
are terrible about controlling your own data. That definitely doesn't seem 
to be something most people care about, and most people don't save 
important stuff on their phone. And it's all turning into Cloud Storage 
now, anyway.

> I know they always say to back up your files, but when they aren't
> reclaimable when needed...

Again, no offence meant, but stuff like backing up files and verifying 
that your backup is accessible should be a basic computer-use skill. 
Sadly, most people (and I am DEFINITELY generalising here) don't have 
those skills - no backups, no idea about security/privacy settings, etc.

Then again, a while ago I came up with a lesson plan for teaching people 
how to keep their data safe, and guard their privacy. I got a couple of 
places to actually offer the class at a community education type thing... 
and zero people registered. Zero. And this was right when that whole big 
Celebrity Phone Hack thing happened.

People just don't care.

/rant

--

From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 17:59:26 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:59:26 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
References: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+PY3z3Rbng+p7HuUtMKzNeRPMHrThYiQT0_Nh4kWb+7HpPV1A@mail.gmail.com>

Well, after I get Ubuntu back up and running, I'll email you  again. I am
interested, and cybersecurity is a big part of why I use Ubuntu.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 5:41 PM null <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
> > Even when I worked for a Fortune 100 company, most files on the C drives,
> > not backed up on a network drive, did not survive either an equipment or
> an
> > operating system upgrade. The IS people said they would migrate stuff,
> but
> > then it wouldn't work etc. etc.
>
>
> That is absolutely insane, and I really would like to think that's
> isolated to a very small number of companies. I've worked for... I have no
> idea what Fortune Number companies, but definitely gigantic ones. Most
> people, and we're talking hundreds of thousands, their computers were set
> up to AUTOMATICALLY save everything to the network. Most (i.e., regular)
> users could not change this, or install/uninstall software, or really have
> any control over their computers.
>
> The situation you describe would be 100% unacceptable. In fact, I don't
> see how any large company could function that way.
>
> > And Sprint brings over hardly anything when you upgrade phones.
>
> That one I hear you on. Phones, especially the way we use them in the US,
> are terrible about controlling your own data. That definitely doesn't seem
> to be something most people care about, and most people don't save
> important stuff on their phone. And it's all turning into Cloud Storage
> now, anyway.
>
> > I know they always say to back up your files, but when they aren't
> > reclaimable when needed...
>
> Again, no offence meant, but stuff like backing up files and verifying
> that your backup is accessible should be a basic computer-use skill.
> Sadly, most people (and I am DEFINITELY generalising here) don't have
> those skills - no backups, no idea about security/privacy settings, etc.
>
> Then again, a while ago I came up with a lesson plan for teaching people
> how to keep their data safe, and guard their privacy. I got a couple of
> places to actually offer the class at a community education type thing...
> and zero people registered. Zero. And this was right when that whole big
> Celebrity Phone Hack thing happened.
>
> People just don't care.
>
> /rant
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 22:01:54 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 22:01:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501211734180.4748@cockerel.yaron.org>
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I feel this is diverging into a separate thread.

Security is often strictly about convenience for the average and even
advanced users. It's not convenient to backup or use encryption, as
this takes time and other resources. Working in this field I find it's
been a constant give and take, but it can work, albeit in a very fluid
and dynamic manner.

Education is only one part of security, you cannot expect all of the
masses to feel empowered with knowledge, it just doesn't work that
way. Generalizing and saying people don't care is just that, a rant. I
get jaded at times too, and it's healthy to vent, so long as it
doesn't start to become one's reality, in my opinion.

/My 2 cents

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:40 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
>> Even when I worked for a Fortune 100 company, most files on the C drives,
>> not backed up on a network drive, did not survive either an equipment or
>> an
>> operating system upgrade. The IS people said they would migrate stuff, but
>> then it wouldn't work etc. etc.
>
>
>
> That is absolutely insane, and I really would like to think that's isolated
> to a very small number of companies. I've worked for... I have no idea what
> Fortune Number companies, but definitely gigantic ones. Most people, and
> we're talking hundreds of thousands, their computers were set up to
> AUTOMATICALLY save everything to the network. Most (i.e., regular) users
> could not change this, or install/uninstall software, or really have any
> control over their computers.
>
> The situation you describe would be 100% unacceptable. In fact, I don't see
> how any large company could function that way.
>
>> And Sprint brings over hardly anything when you upgrade phones.
>
>
> That one I hear you on. Phones, especially the way we use them in the US,
> are terrible about controlling your own data. That definitely doesn't seem
> to be something most people care about, and most people don't save important
> stuff on their phone. And it's all turning into Cloud Storage now, anyway.
>
>> I know they always say to back up your files, but when they aren't
>> reclaimable when needed...
>
>
> Again, no offence meant, but stuff like backing up files and verifying that
> your backup is accessible should be a basic computer-use skill. Sadly, most
> people (and I am DEFINITELY generalising here) don't have those skills - no
> backups, no idea about security/privacy settings, etc.
>
> Then again, a while ago I came up with a lesson plan for teaching people how
> to keep their data safe, and guard their privacy. I got a couple of places
> to actually offer the class at a community education type thing... and zero
> people registered. Zero. And this was right when that whole big Celebrity
> Phone Hack thing happened.
>
> People just don't care.
>
> /rant
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 22 02:12:55 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 02:12:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Off Topic: ''Wanted'' AGP video card
Message-ID: <BAY168-W134F901C1E131874B77389199490@phx.gbl>

Looking Looking to purchase a working AGP video card preferably with Nvidia Chipset. All ATI AGP cards are welcome though as I am willing to 'make a deal'. I would prefer an 'AGP' card with 512meg+ of memory no fan problems 256meg is ok. <--I will purchase the card if it has fan problems though also.

Thank you for your consideration.

paul g
 		 	   		  
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From tonyyarusso at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 02:43:06 2015
From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 02:43:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Off Topic: ''Wanted'' AGP video card
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W134F901C1E131874B77389199490@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W134F901C1E131874B77389199490@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAOZLdJUP9T89TWAb7C8ujJ8PXbJRqLc1OYXyntXQEPBKW9wGgA@mail.gmail.com>

I have an Nvidia GeForce 6200 card I could probably part with, with
VGA, DVI, and S-Video outputs, 256MB of memory, and passive cooling.
I also have a low-profile bracket kit for it.  The Amazon product page
for what I have is http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CQ73PW .
Would that work for you?

 - Tony

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 22 03:09:10 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 03:09:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Off Topic: ''Wanted'' AGP video card
In-Reply-To: <CAOZLdJUP9T89TWAb7C8ujJ8PXbJRqLc1OYXyntXQEPBKW9wGgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W134F901C1E131874B77389199490@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W733EF0277A74706153B77C99490@phx.gbl>

Yeah.. i'm looking to replace a 5700LE fan is running a bit off and on. Yeah I think The Nvidia GeForce 6200 would do the job. Passive cooling is really a nice feature. I would definitely be interested in that card. What is your price?

----
paul g

> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 02:43:06 -0600
> From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Off Topic: ''Wanted'' AGP video card
> 
> I have an Nvidia GeForce 6200 card I could probably part with, with
> VGA, DVI, and S-Video outputs, 256MB of memory, and passive cooling.
> I also have a low-profile bracket kit for it.  The Amazon product page
> for what I have is http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CQ73PW .
> Would that work for you?
> 
>  - Tony
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  
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From lkateley at kateley.com  Thu Jan 22 08:16:22 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:16:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
In-Reply-To: <CA+PY3z1dh=7x9nMDZqo-67A3LX1Ae6wJ5xhG13Xw+ngpBY=S4Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <54C10636.1050508@kateley.com>

Wendell.

I am old enough to be impressed by that :)

On 1/21/15 2:21 PM, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
> In my defense, I was writing code, in Fortran and MAP, for use on 
> IIT's IBM 7040 back in 1965.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:06 PM null <tclug at freakzilla.com 
> <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
>     > As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data
>     with every
>     > hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>     different.
>
>     Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just
>     no way
>     to live!
>
>     My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is very
>     probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>     skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 08:31:14 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:31:14 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
References: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+PY3z3Ary5aGwEkVx-j9W4Gg3Csbgpq9ofGQRU0ttkMS74e=g@mail.gmail.com>

The more advanced courses/languages were taught by an IBM system engineer,
complete with white shirt and, as I remember it, a narrow black tie.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015, 8:17 AM Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:

>  Wendell.
>
> I am old enough to be impressed by that :)
>
>
> On 1/21/15 2:21 PM, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
> In my defense, I was writing code, in Fortran and MAP, for use on IIT's
> IBM 7040 back in 1965.
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:06 PM null <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>
>> > As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
>> > hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>> different.
>>
>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no way
>> to live!
>>
>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is very
>> probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From andrew.krull at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 09:06:52 2015
From: andrew.krull at gmail.com (Andrew Krull)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 09:06:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Just sending this link as a possible fix:

http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish driver's
> cap.
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wendell,
>>
>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Krull
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wendell,
>>>>
>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something about
>>>> it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half way if
>>>> you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a bar
>>>>> on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to the
>>>>> person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
>>>>> hardware is OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this
>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the
>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap,
>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the
>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area and
>>>>>> could help if need be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to ensure
>>>>>> hardware is all working...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with
>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no
>>>>>>> way to live!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is
>>>>>>> very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 11:57:31 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:57:31 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Andrew,

That site assumes that you can access the terminal/command line. I can't.
:-(

On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 09:07:35 Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just sending this link as a possible fix:
>
> http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish
>> driver's cap.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wendell,
>>>
>>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
>>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Krull
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>
>>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something
>>>>> about it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half
>>>>> way if you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a bar
>>>>>> on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to the
>>>>>> person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
>>>>>> hardware is OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this
>>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the
>>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap,
>>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the
>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
>>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area
>>>>>>> and could help if need be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to
>>>>>>> ensure hardware is all working...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with
>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just
>>>>>>>> no way to live!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is
>>>>>>>> very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>>>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From andrew.krull at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 12:18:47 2015
From: andrew.krull at gmail.com (Andrew Krull)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:18:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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We'll see about that tonight ;-)
On Jan 22, 2015 11:58 AM, "Wendell Bell" <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> That site assumes that you can access the terminal/command line. I can't.
> :-(
>
> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 09:07:35 Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Just sending this link as a possible fix:
>>
>> http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish
>>> driver's cap.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wendell,
>>>>
>>>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
>>>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something
>>>>>> about it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half
>>>>>> way if you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a
>>>>>>> bar on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to
>>>>>>> the person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
>>>>>>> hardware is OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this
>>>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the
>>>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap,
>>>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the
>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
>>>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area
>>>>>>>> and could help if need be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to
>>>>>>>> ensure hardware is all working...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with
>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just
>>>>>>>>> no way to live!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is
>>>>>>>>> very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>>>>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From craigallynsmith at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 17:49:38 2015
From: craigallynsmith at gmail.com (Craig Smith)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:49:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SSD vs HDD for DIY security camera project
Message-ID: <CAFFxK9itTdkdAOMP=973fFG-X6wGPLk5qS4eucT0-vek8MCfaw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all who replied.  The consensus was that SDD reliability wasn?t a
concern given my bandwidth, but performance wasn?t worth the money.



Justin,

You hit the nail on the head regarding an ?older cpu.?  I?m running a
Pentium3 (single core) @ 730Mhz (1461.97 bogomips) with 500mb RAM but
recently procured an i5 @3.5Mhz (4 cores at  6997.97 bogomips) with 32gb
RAM.  I will report performance improvement once I get everything working.
FFMPEG installation is always a bit of a chore.





Marc,

I?ve used a variety of inexpensive ?ip-cameras? that invariably include
wifi and web-server so I can pull images on demand.  Some support scheduled
or triggered image uploads via email or ftp.  They all sell for about
$100.  I started out with plastic indoor cameras from D-Link pointed out a
window, but have switched to weather-proof night-vision cameras from
Foscam.  These features work well together since the IR emitters reflect if
pointed out a window.  They aren?t rated down to Minnesota temperatures but
I?ve not experience any cold-weather problem.  I had to return one camera
in warranty when the mechanical IR filter got stuck, yielding poor daylight
colors (you can hear the filter ?snap? into place when IR is on).  The
replacement, now out of warranty, needs an occasional reboot.  Also a 5v
transformer failed, but that was easily replaced.



In hindsight, a commercial system with dedicated wiring would have been
cheaper per camera and not consume wifi bandwidth.


-- 
Craig A. Smith mailto:craigallynsmith at gmail.com
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 22 20:15:54 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:15:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SSD vs HDD for DIY security camera project
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From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Craig Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:50 PM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SSD vs HDD for DIY security camera project



 

Thanks to all who replied.  The consensus was that SDD reliability wasn't a
concern given my bandwidth, but performance wasn't worth the money.  

 

FWIW, I'm very happy with the Seagate ST1000LM0141 tb hybrid SSHD drive I
put in my laptop.  It's 4x the speed of "only rotating" and only about 15%
higher price than a "rotating only" model.

 

Chuck

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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 09:42:06 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:42:06 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Thanks so much to all--and, most particularly, thanks to Andrew Krull, who
got me actually back up and running!

On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 12:19:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
wrote:

> We'll see about that tonight ;-)
> On Jan 22, 2015 11:58 AM, "Wendell Bell" <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> That site assumes that you can access the terminal/command line. I can't.
>> :-(
>>
>> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 09:07:35 Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just sending this link as a possible fix:
>>>
>>> http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish
>>>> driver's cap.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
>>>>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something
>>>>>>> about it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half
>>>>>>> way if you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell <
>>>>>>> wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a
>>>>>>>> bar on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to
>>>>>>>> the person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
>>>>>>>> hardware is OK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this
>>>>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the
>>>>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap,
>>>>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the
>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
>>>>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area
>>>>>>>>> and could help if need be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to
>>>>>>>>> ensure hardware is all working...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data
>>>>>>>>>>> with every
>>>>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just
>>>>>>>>>> no way to live!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is
>>>>>>>>>> very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>>>>>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 10:42:38 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:42:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Glad it worked out! Just curious, what was the problem / solution if
you wouldn't mind sharing?
--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks so much to all--and, most particularly, thanks to Andrew Krull, who
> got me actually back up and running!
>
>
> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 12:19:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> We'll see about that tonight ;-)
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2015 11:58 AM, "Wendell Bell" <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> That site assumes that you can access the terminal/command line. I can't.
>>> :-(
>>>
>>> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 09:07:35 Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just sending this link as a possible fix:
>>>>
>>>> http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish
>>>>> driver's cap.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
>>>>>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something
>>>>>>>> about it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half way
>>>>>>>> if you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell
>>>>>>>> <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a
>>>>>>>>> bar on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to
>>>>>>>>> the person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
>>>>>>>>> hardware is OK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this
>>>>>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the
>>>>>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap,
>>>>>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the
>>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area
>>>>>>>>>> and could help if need be.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to
>>>>>>>>>> ensure hardware is all working...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data
>>>>>>>>>>>> with every
>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just
>>>>>>>>>>> no way to live!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is
>>>>>>>>>>> very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>>>>>>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 10:56:04 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:56:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
In-Reply-To: <CACEdYO2NHCKAJEadG1-dpz9_o2P3=HWXTFi+LujMzxsXWUZZEg@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm 100% certain Andrew could speak better to that than I could. But I'm
now back to 14.04LTS, and with my files from before. And just stumbled
through getting the computer talking to the printer! I'm back in business!

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson <
jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Glad it worked out! Just curious, what was the problem / solution if
> you wouldn't mind sharing?
> --
> Jeremy MountainJohnson
> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thanks so much to all--and, most particularly, thanks to Andrew Krull,
> who
> > got me actually back up and running!
> >
> >
> > On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 12:19:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> We'll see about that tonight ;-)
> >>
> >> On Jan 22, 2015 11:58 AM, "Wendell Bell" <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Andrew,
> >>>
> >>> That site assumes that you can access the terminal/command line. I
> can't.
> >>> :-(
> >>>
> >>> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 09:07:35 Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Just sending this link as a possible fix:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish
> >>>>> driver's cap.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wendell,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
> >>>>>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Andrew Krull
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <
> wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Wendell,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something
> >>>>>>>> about it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be
> about half way
> >>>>>>>> if you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell
> >>>>>>>> <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a
> >>>>>>>>> bar on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to
> >>>>>>>>> the person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday
> dinner).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
> >>>>>>>>> hardware is OK.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <
> andrew.krull at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Wendell,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this
> >>>>>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell
> if the
> >>>>>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network
> tool (nmap,
> >>>>>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to
> SSH onto the
> >>>>>>>>>> system.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro
> area
> >>>>>>>>>> and could help if need be.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to
> >>>>>>>>>> ensure hardware is all working...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with every
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be
> any
> >>>>>>>>>>>> different.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's
> just
> >>>>>>>>>>> no way to live!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what
> is
> >>>>>>>>>>> very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To
> Use Computers
> >>>>>>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From andrew.krull at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 11:00:11 2015
From: andrew.krull at gmail.com (Andrew Krull)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:00:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Wendell,

Glad to help and happy everything is back to normal. You got hooked up to
wireless at home OK?

Website to check out is http://howtoforge.com particularly
https://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-ubuntu-14.04-lts-trusty-tahr

As for data backup, take a look at CrashPlan -
http://www.code42.com/crashplan/

--
Andrew Krull

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks so much to all--and, most particularly, thanks to Andrew Krull, who
> got me actually back up and running!
>
>
> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 12:19:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We'll see about that tonight ;-)
>> On Jan 22, 2015 11:58 AM, "Wendell Bell" <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> That site assumes that you can access the terminal/command line. I
>>> can't. :-(
>>>
>>> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 09:07:35 Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just sending this link as a possible fix:
>>>>
>>>> http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish
>>>>> driver's cap.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
>>>>>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something
>>>>>>>> about it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half
>>>>>>>> way if you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell <
>>>>>>>> wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a
>>>>>>>>> bar on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to
>>>>>>>>> the person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
>>>>>>>>> hardware is OK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this
>>>>>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the
>>>>>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap,
>>>>>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the
>>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro area
>>>>>>>>>> and could help if need be.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to
>>>>>>>>>> ensure hardware is all working...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data
>>>>>>>>>>>> with every
>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's
>>>>>>>>>>> just no way to live!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is
>>>>>>>>>>> very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>>>>>>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From lkateley at kateley.com  Fri Jan 23 11:06:15 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:06:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SSD vs HDD for DIY security camera project
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On 1/22/15 8:15 PM, Chuck Cole wrote:
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>     [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Craig Smith
>     *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:50 PM
>     *To:* tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>     *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] SSD vs HDD for DIY security camera project
>
>     Thanks to all who replied.  The consensus was that SDD reliability
>     wasn?t a concern given my bandwidth, but performance wasn?t worth
>     the money.
>
> FWIW, I'm very happy with the Seagate ST1000LM0141 tb hybrid SSHD 
> drive I put in my laptop.  It's 4x the speed of "only rotating" and 
> only about 15% higher price than a "rotating only" model.
>
Nice, has anyone seen any "endurance" numbers for these hybrid drives?

I have been watching these tests on ssds..

http://techreport.com/review/27436/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-two-freaking-petabytes

But my instinct is that hybrid would actually have lower endurance. All 
of the heat/noise/vibration that comes off a hdd would seem not to be 
good for ssd. Or if it is not writing much into ssd part...  ???

> Chuck
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 11:20:24 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:20:24 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Not just wireless (that was easy) but also the printer (eventually)! Thanks
so much, and thanks for the links too.

Now, if I just hadn't been an idiot and left a certain thumb drive on a
certain table... (They say, now, that it wasn't found--Grr.)

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015, 11:01 AM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wendell,
>
> Glad to help and happy everything is back to normal. You got hooked up to
> wireless at home OK?
>
> Website to check out is http://howtoforge.com particularly
> https://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-ubuntu-14.04-lts-trusty-tahr
>
> As for data backup, take a look at CrashPlan -
> http://www.code42.com/crashplan/
>
> --
> Andrew Krull
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks so much to all--and, most particularly, thanks to Andrew Krull,
>> who got me actually back up and running!
>>
>>
>> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 12:19:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We'll see about that tonight ;-)
>>> On Jan 22, 2015 11:58 AM, "Wendell Bell" <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrew,
>>>>
>>>> That site assumes that you can access the terminal/command line. I
>>>> can't. :-(
>>>>
>>>> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 09:07:35 Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just sending this link as a possible fix:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish
>>>>>> driver's cap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
>>>>>>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <
>>>>>>> wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something
>>>>>>>>> about it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be about half
>>>>>>>>> way if you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell <
>>>>>>>>> wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with a
>>>>>>>>>> bar on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming to
>>>>>>>>>> the person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
>>>>>>>>>> hardware is OK.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <
>>>>>>>>>> andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this
>>>>>>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell if the
>>>>>>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network tool (nmap,
>>>>>>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to SSH onto the
>>>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro
>>>>>>>>>>> area and could help if need be.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to
>>>>>>>>>>> ensure hardware is all working...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with every
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's
>>>>>>>>>>>> just no way to live!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what
>>>>>>>>>>>> is very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use
>>>>>>>>>>>> Computers skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From andrew.krull at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 12:07:54 2015
From: andrew.krull at gmail.com (Andrew Krull)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 12:07:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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It looked like a borked upgrade. The screen was there but looked like the
resolution was out of whack. Alt+f2 didn't bring up dash but it could have
been off screen (maybe another screen). I did attempt to work from the
command line to fix but wasn't getting to far with that (Ctrl+Alt+FN, N
being a number...). As I was able to access the system from command line
and access his data to get a backup, I decided to do a fresh clean install
and fix some other options (another linux install) etc. Since it all
started from a failed upgrade, this was the best option for Wendell, a
clean slate from which to work from.

I give Wendell all the credit in the world for sticking with and trying
Linux. Linux when it is working, is awesome, but when it borks, it can bork
hard and if you don't deal with it on a daily basis or have buckets of
patience, it can get really frustrating quickly. As he has been attempting
to fight through it since before Christmas, he is a trooper.

I am glad that I was able to help but more importantly that Wendell was
happy when we left and excited to get home and get back to work on his
Ubuntu machine.

--
Andrew Krull

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm 100% certain Andrew could speak better to that than I could. But I'm
> now back to 14.04LTS, and with my files from before. And just stumbled
> through getting the computer talking to the printer! I'm back in business!
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson <
> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Glad it worked out! Just curious, what was the problem / solution if
>> you wouldn't mind sharing?
>> --
>> Jeremy MountainJohnson
>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks so much to all--and, most particularly, thanks to Andrew Krull,
>> who
>> > got me actually back up and running!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 12:19:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We'll see about that tonight ;-)
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 22, 2015 11:58 AM, "Wendell Bell" <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Andrew,
>> >>>
>> >>> That site assumes that you can access the terminal/command line. I
>> can't.
>> >>> :-(
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 09:07:35 Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just sending this link as a possible fix:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <
>> wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish
>> >>>>> driver's cap.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Wendell,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
>> >>>>>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Andrew Krull
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <
>> wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <
>> andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Wendell,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do something
>> >>>>>>>> about it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be
>> about half way
>> >>>>>>>> if you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell
>> >>>>>>>> <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal, with
>> a
>> >>>>>>>>> bar on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>> the person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's
>> birthday dinner).
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
>> >>>>>>>>> hardware is OK.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <
>> andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Wendell,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on this
>> >>>>>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to tell
>> if the
>> >>>>>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network
>> tool (nmap,
>> >>>>>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to
>> SSH onto the
>> >>>>>>>>>> system.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
>> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro
>> area
>> >>>>>>>>>> and could help if need be.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to
>> >>>>>>>>>> ensure hardware is all working...
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with every
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be
>> any
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> different.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's
>> just
>> >>>>>>>>>>> no way to live!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what
>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To
>> Use Computers
>> >>>>>>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >>>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From john.a.frisk at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 12:58:03 2015
From: john.a.frisk at gmail.com (John Frisk)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 12:58:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Status on Penguins Unbound meetings
Message-ID: <CAAvSaRph0LHAA=1sXT+s72ZAOceB=sW8gqi7e16vzKNS=obBwg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,
This month we will be taking a break from Penguins Unbound meeting in
person.  We are looking for a new place to meet.  Brian and I have some new
places we are looking at but it just happened that we didn't have a topic
speaker officially lined up yet for January.

Please send your ideas for meeting topics to me and I will compile them.

I will send out another update once we can share more information.
Thanks!
John
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From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 13:01:06 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 19:01:06 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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And as I said, all praise to Andrew: I knew that the fix, or even a clean
install while saving old files, was beyond my meager capabilities.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015, 12:08 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com> wrote:

> It looked like a borked upgrade. The screen was there but looked like the
> resolution was out of whack. Alt+f2 didn't bring up dash but it could have
> been off screen (maybe another screen). I did attempt to work from the
> command line to fix but wasn't getting to far with that (Ctrl+Alt+FN, N
> being a number...). As I was able to access the system from command line
> and access his data to get a backup, I decided to do a fresh clean install
> and fix some other options (another linux install) etc. Since it all
> started from a failed upgrade, this was the best option for Wendell, a
> clean slate from which to work from.
>
> I give Wendell all the credit in the world for sticking with and trying
> Linux. Linux when it is working, is awesome, but when it borks, it can bork
> hard and if you don't deal with it on a daily basis or have buckets of
> patience, it can get really frustrating quickly. As he has been attempting
> to fight through it since before Christmas, he is a trooper.
>
> I am glad that I was able to help but more importantly that Wendell was
> happy when we left and excited to get home and get back to work on his
> Ubuntu machine.
>
> --
> Andrew Krull
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm 100% certain Andrew could speak better to that than I could. But I'm
>> now back to 14.04LTS, and with my files from before. And just stumbled
>> through getting the computer talking to the printer! I'm back in business!
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson <
>> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Glad it worked out! Just curious, what was the problem / solution if
>>> you wouldn't mind sharing?
>>> --
>>> Jeremy MountainJohnson
>>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Thanks so much to all--and, most particularly, thanks to Andrew Krull,
>>> who
>>> > got me actually back up and running!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 12:19:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> We'll see about that tonight ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jan 22, 2015 11:58 AM, "Wendell Bell" <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Andrew,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> That site assumes that you can access the terminal/command line. I
>>> can't.
>>> >>> :-(
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 09:07:35 Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Just sending this link as a possible fix:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <
>>> wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish
>>> >>>>> driver's cap.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Wendell,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington, 2201
>>> >>>>>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <
>>> wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <
>>> andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do
>>> something
>>> >>>>>>>> about it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be
>>> about half way
>>> >>>>>>>> if you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell
>>> >>>>>>>> <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal,
>>> with a
>>> >>>>>>>>> bar on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about coming
>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>> the person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's
>>> birthday dinner).
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking the
>>> >>>>>>>>> hardware is OK.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <
>>> andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on
>>> this
>>> >>>>>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to
>>> tell if the
>>> >>>>>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network
>>> tool (nmap,
>>> >>>>>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to
>>> SSH onto the
>>> >>>>>>>>>> system.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
>>> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro
>>> area
>>> >>>>>>>>>> and could help if need be.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help to
>>> >>>>>>>>>> ensure hardware is all working...
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with every
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be
>>> any
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> different.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's
>>> just
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> no way to live!
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out
>>> what is
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To
>>> Use Computers
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> >>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> >>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> >>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> >>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >>>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From jjensen at apache.org  Fri Jan 23 14:17:42 2015
From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:17:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Awesome help Andrew!

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> And as I said, all praise to Andrew: I knew that the fix, or even a clean
> install while saving old files, was beyond my meager capabilities.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015, 12:08 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It looked like a borked upgrade. The screen was there but looked like the
>> resolution was out of whack. Alt+f2 didn't bring up dash but it could have
>> been off screen (maybe another screen). I did attempt to work from the
>> command line to fix but wasn't getting to far with that (Ctrl+Alt+FN, N
>> being a number...). As I was able to access the system from command line
>> and access his data to get a backup, I decided to do a fresh clean install
>> and fix some other options (another linux install) etc. Since it all
>> started from a failed upgrade, this was the best option for Wendell, a
>> clean slate from which to work from.
>>
>> I give Wendell all the credit in the world for sticking with and trying
>> Linux. Linux when it is working, is awesome, but when it borks, it can bork
>> hard and if you don't deal with it on a daily basis or have buckets of
>> patience, it can get really frustrating quickly. As he has been attempting
>> to fight through it since before Christmas, he is a trooper.
>>
>> I am glad that I was able to help but more importantly that Wendell was
>> happy when we left and excited to get home and get back to work on his
>> Ubuntu machine.
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Krull
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm 100% certain Andrew could speak better to that than I could. But I'm
>>> now back to 14.04LTS, and with my files from before. And just stumbled
>>> through getting the computer talking to the printer! I'm back in business!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson <
>>> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Glad it worked out! Just curious, what was the problem / solution if
>>>> you wouldn't mind sharing?
>>>> --
>>>> Jeremy MountainJohnson
>>>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Wendell Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Thanks so much to all--and, most particularly, thanks to Andrew
>>>> Krull, who
>>>> > got me actually back up and running!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 12:19:29 PM Andrew Krull <
>>>> andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We'll see about that tonight ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Jan 22, 2015 11:58 AM, "Wendell Bell" <wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Andrew,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> That site assumes that you can access the terminal/command line. I
>>>> can't.
>>>> >>> :-(
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 09:07:35 Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com
>>>> >
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Just sending this link as a possible fix:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell <
>>>> wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot in the Irish
>>>> >>>>> driver's cap.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull <
>>>> andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Wendell,
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites Bloomington,
>>>> 2201
>>>> >>>>>> Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN 55425 work for you?
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell <
>>>> wendell.bell at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Great! What time's best for you, and exactly where?
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull <
>>>> andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> I could try and meet up someplace to see if we could do
>>>> something
>>>> >>>>>>>> about it. Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall looks to be
>>>> about half way
>>>> >>>>>>>> if you wanted to meet somewhere in or around there?
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell Bell
>>>> >>>>>>>> <wendell.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen, and it looks normal,
>>>> with a
>>>> >>>>>>>>> bar on top and all. Then, when I do log in, nothing to click.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but I meant it about
>>>> coming to
>>>> >>>>>>>>> the person with the computer (after tonight--daughter's
>>>> birthday dinner).
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Windows side is working normally, which is why I'm thinking
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>>>> hardware is OK.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew Krull <
>>>> andrew.krull at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wendell,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would you have happen to install the SSH server package on
>>>> this
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> machine (#1 thing I do after install...). Are you able to
>>>> tell if the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> machine is getting an IP through PING or some other network
>>>> tool (nmap,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> logs, etc)? If these two items are yes, you might be able to
>>>> SSH onto the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> system.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The suggestions above about using the Ctrl+Alt+FX
>>>> (X=1,2,3..6)
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't yield a terminal window with a login prompt?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Where in the cities are you located? I am in the south metro
>>>> area
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and could help if need be.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Again, getting any live distro to boot to would really help
>>>> to
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ensure hardware is all working...
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Andrew Krull
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM, <tclug at freakzilla.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my
>>>> data
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with every
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't
>>>> be any
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels.
>>>> That's just
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> no way to live!
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out
>>>> what is
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> very probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How
>>>> To Use Computers
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> >>>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> >>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> >>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> >
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From johntrammell at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 08:34:13 2015
From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John Trammell)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:34:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
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Ditto.  Wendell, do you have any good war stories?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:

>  Wendell.
>
> I am old enough to be impressed by that :)
>
> On 1/21/15 2:21 PM, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
> In my defense, I was writing code, in Fortran and MAP, for use on IIT's
> IBM 7040 back in 1965.
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:06 PM null <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>
>> > As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to losing all my data with every
>> > hardware replacement and every hard reset, so this won't be any
>> different.
>>
>> Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many levels. That's just no way
>> to live!
>>
>> My friend, you need more than someone helping figure out what is very
>> probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some basic How To Use Computers
>> skills. Your life could be so much easier and simpler...
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From john.trammell at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 10:00:09 2015
From: john.trammell at gmail.com (John Trammell)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:00:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Awesome, can you share with us what the problem was?

On 01/23/2015 09:42 AM, Wendell Bell wrote:
> Thanks so much to all--and, most particularly, thanks to Andrew Krull, 
> who got me actually back up and running!
>
> On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 12:19:29 PM Andrew Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com 
> <mailto:andrew.krull at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     We'll see about that tonight ;-)
>
>     On Jan 22, 2015 11:58 AM, "Wendell Bell" <wendell.bell at gmail.com
>     <mailto:wendell.bell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Andrew,
>
>         That site assumes that you can access the terminal/command
>         line. I can't. :-(
>
>         On Thu Jan 22 2015 at 09:07:35 Andrew Krull
>         <andrew.krull at gmail.com <mailto:andrew.krull at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Just sending this link as a possible fix:
>
>             http://sourcedigit.com/14332-reset-unity-compiz-settings-ubuntu-14-04-2/
>
>
>             On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Wendell Bell
>             <wendell.bell at gmail.com <mailto:wendell.bell at gmail.com>>
>             wrote:
>
>                 8 tomorrow night; see you then. I'll be the old coot
>                 in the Irish driver's cap.
>
>
>                 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 3:29 PM Andrew Krull
>                 <andrew.krull at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:andrew.krull at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>                       Wendell,
>
>
>                     Would 8:00pm at TGI Fridays Country Inn & Suites
>                     Bloomington, 2201 Killebrew Drive Bloomington, MN
>                     55425 work for you?
>
>                     --
>                     Andrew Krull
>
>                     On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Wendell Bell
>                     <wendell.bell at gmail.com
>                     <mailto:wendell.bell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                         Great! What time's best for you, and exactly
>                         where?
>
>
>                         On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:47 PM Andrew Krull
>                         <andrew.krull at gmail.com
>                         <mailto:andrew.krull at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                             Wendell,
>
>                             I could try and meet up someplace to see
>                             if we could do something about it.
>                             Tomorrow night will work. The Mega Mall
>                             looks to be about half way if you wanted
>                             to meet somewhere in or around there?
>
>                             --
>                             Andrew Krull
>
>                             On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Wendell
>                             Bell <wendell.bell at gmail.com
>                             <mailto:wendell.bell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                                 Nope, no ssh. I get the login screen,
>                                 and it looks normal, with a bar on top
>                                 and all. Then, when I do log in,
>                                 nothing to click.
>
>                                 I'm near St. Thomas U in St. Paul, but
>                                 I meant it about coming to the person
>                                 with the computer (after
>                                 tonight--daughter's birthday dinner).
>
>                                 Windows side is working normally,
>                                 which is why I'm thinking the hardware
>                                 is OK.
>
>
>                                 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:18 PM Andrew
>                                 Krull <andrew.krull at gmail.com
>                                 <mailto:andrew.krull at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                                     Wendell,
>
>                                     Would you have happen to install
>                                     the SSH server package on this
>                                     machine (#1 thing I do after
>                                     install...). Are you able to tell
>                                     if the machine is getting an IP
>                                     through PING or some other network
>                                     tool (nmap, logs, etc)? If these
>                                     two items are yes, you might be
>                                     able to SSH onto the system.
>
>                                     The suggestions above about using
>                                     the Ctrl+Alt+FX (X=1,2,3..6)
>                                     doesn't yield a terminal window
>                                     with a login prompt?
>
>                                     Where in the cities are you
>                                     located? I am in the south metro
>                                     area and could help if need be.
>
>                                     Again, getting any live distro to
>                                     boot to would really help to
>                                     ensure hardware is all working...
>
>                                     --
>                                     Andrew Krull
>
>                                     On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:05 PM,
>                                     <tclug at freakzilla.com
>                                     <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
>
>                                         On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell
>                                         Bell wrote:
>
>                                             As for being backed up,
>                                             I'm accustomed to losing
>                                             all my data with every
>                                             hardware replacement and
>                                             every hard reset, so this
>                                             won't be any different.
>
>
>                                         Oh good lord that is wrong and
>                                         sad on so many levels. That's
>                                         just no way to live!
>
>                                         My friend, you need more than
>                                         someone helping figure out
>                                         what is very probably NOT a
>                                         kernel issue. You need some
>                                         basic How To Use Computers
>                                         skills. Your life could be so
>                                         much easier and simpler...
>
>
>                                         _______________________________________________
>                                         TCLUG Mailing List -
>                                         Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>                                         tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>                                         <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>                                         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>                                     _______________________________________________
>                                     TCLUG Mailing List -
>                                     Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>                                     tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>                                     <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>                                     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>                                 _______________________________________________
>                                 TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St.
>                                 Paul, Minnesota
>                                 tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>                                 <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>                                 http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>                             _______________________________________________
>                             TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
>                             Minnesota
>                             tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>                             <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>                             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>                         _______________________________________________
>                         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
>                         Minnesota
>                         tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>                         <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>                         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>                     _______________________________________________
>                     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>                     tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>                     <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>                     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>                 _______________________________________________
>                 TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>                 tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>                 http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>             _______________________________________________
>             TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>             tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>         tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jan 23 14:27:25 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:27:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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I think we should start a TCLUG Olde Timers Club (; I'll go first: I was 
using Linux before there were distributions!

On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, John Trammell wrote:

> Ditto.? Wendell, do you have any good war stories?
> 
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:
>       Wendell.
>
>       I am old enough to be impressed by that :)
>
>       On 1/21/15 2:21 PM, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
>       In my defense, I was writing code, in Fortran and MAP, for
>       use on IIT's IBM 7040 back in 1965.
> 
>
>       On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:06 PM?null <tclug at freakzilla.com>
>       wrote:
>             On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>
>             > As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to
>             losing all my data with every
>             > hardware replacement and every hard reset,
>             so this won't be any different.
>
>             Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many
>             levels. That's just no way
>             to live!
>
>             My friend, you need more than someone helping
>             figure out what is very
>             probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some
>             basic How To Use Computers
>             skills. Your life could be so much easier and
>             simpler...
>
>             _______________________________________________
>             TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
>             Minnesota
>             tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
>

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jan 23 14:29:53 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:29:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Back In My Day if you said "I'm using Linux" people would say "That's a 
weird way to misspell Minix." #GetOffMyVirtualLawn

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:

>
> I think we should start a TCLUG Olde Timers Club (; I'll go first: I was 
> using Linux before there were distributions!
>
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, John Trammell wrote:
>
>> Ditto.? Wendell, do you have any good war stories?
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> 
>> wrote:
>>       Wendell.
>>
>>       I am old enough to be impressed by that :)
>>
>>       On 1/21/15 2:21 PM, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>
>>       In my defense, I was writing code, in Fortran and MAP, for
>>       use on IIT's IBM 7040 back in 1965.
>> 
>>
>>       On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:06 PM?null <tclug at freakzilla.com>
>>       wrote:
>>             On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>
>>             > As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to
>>             losing all my data with every
>>             > hardware replacement and every hard reset,
>>             so this won't be any different.
>>
>>             Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many
>>             levels. That's just no way
>>             to live!
>>
>>             My friend, you need more than someone helping
>>             figure out what is very
>>             probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some
>>             basic How To Use Computers
>>             skills. Your life could be so much easier and
>>             simpler...
>>
>>             _______________________________________________
>>             TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
>>             Minnesota
>>             tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>> 
>> 
>

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jan 23 14:31:48 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:31:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
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Back in MY day, "debugging" meant picking actual bugs out of the core 
memory! Also we used core memory!

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:

> Back In My Day if you said "I'm using Linux" people would say "That's a weird 
> way to misspell Minix." #GetOffMyVirtualLawn
>
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>
>> 
>> I think we should start a TCLUG Olde Timers Club (; I'll go first: I was 
>> using Linux before there were distributions!
>> 
>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, John Trammell wrote:
>> 
>>> Ditto.? Wendell, do you have any good war stories?
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>       Wendell.
>>>
>>>       I am old enough to be impressed by that :)
>>>
>>>       On 1/21/15 2:21 PM, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>
>>>       In my defense, I was writing code, in Fortran and MAP, for
>>>       use on IIT's IBM 7040 back in 1965.
>>> 
>>>
>>>       On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:06 PM?null <tclug at freakzilla.com>
>>>       wrote:
>>>             On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>
>>>             > As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to
>>>             losing all my data with every
>>>             > hardware replacement and every hard reset,
>>>             so this won't be any different.
>>>
>>>             Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many
>>>             levels. That's just no way
>>>             to live!
>>>
>>>             My friend, you need more than someone helping
>>>             figure out what is very
>>>             probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some
>>>             basic How To Use Computers
>>>             skills. Your life could be so much easier and
>>>             simpler...
>>>
>>>             _______________________________________________
>>>             TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
>>>             Minnesota
>>>             tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jan 23 14:34:55 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:34:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501231431160.4223@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501211402310.4552@cockerel.yaron.org>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501231432420.4223@cockerel.yaron.org>

Back in MY day, "windows" where what you used to climb into the computer 
lab to mess with the mainframe that was off-limits to freshmen! Ok it was 
a PDP-4 but you get the point.

No I'm not bored, why are you asking?

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:

> Back in MY day, "debugging" meant picking actual bugs out of the core memory! 
> Also we used core memory!
>
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>
>> Back In My Day if you said "I'm using Linux" people would say "That's a 
>> weird way to misspell Minix." #GetOffMyVirtualLawn
>> 
>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I think we should start a TCLUG Olde Timers Club (; I'll go first: I was 
>>> using Linux before there were distributions!
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, John Trammell wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ditto.? Wendell, do you have any good war stories?
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>       Wendell.
>>>>
>>>>       I am old enough to be impressed by that :)
>>>>
>>>>       On 1/21/15 2:21 PM, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>       In my defense, I was writing code, in Fortran and MAP, for
>>>>       use on IIT's IBM 7040 back in 1965.
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>       On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:06 PM?null <tclug at freakzilla.com>
>>>>       wrote:
>>>>             On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             > As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to
>>>>             losing all my data with every
>>>>             > hardware replacement and every hard reset,
>>>>             so this won't be any different.
>>>>
>>>>             Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many
>>>>             levels. That's just no way
>>>>             to live!
>>>>
>>>>             My friend, you need more than someone helping
>>>>             figure out what is very
>>>>             probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some
>>>>             basic How To Use Computers
>>>>             skills. Your life could be so much easier and
>>>>             simpler...
>>>>
>>>>             _______________________________________________
>>>>             TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
>>>>             Minnesota
>>>>             tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>

From wendell.bell at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 15:37:56 2015
From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:37:56 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Need help reinstalling Ubuntu--will pay & bring
 computer to you (in the metro area)
References: <CA+PY3z2KDCgujpmc014HjsA=61Qb+89-A9ixEKvuhspyLF2JnA@mail.gmail.com>
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Well, I did program great big old bakelite circuit boards with hard wires
(seriously!). OTOH, I never did (then) learn to touch type even though I
had a job that was, in part, keypunching on Hollerith cards.

One time, I typed a J in column 7, which should always be blank, and caused
a core dump on the IBM 7040. Should have gotten about 3 pages of output;
got, maybe, 700.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015, 2:35 PM null <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> Back in MY day, "windows" where what you used to climb into the computer
> lab to mess with the mainframe that was off-limits to freshmen! Ok it was
> a PDP-4 but you get the point.
>
> No I'm not bored, why are you asking?
>
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>
> > Back in MY day, "debugging" meant picking actual bugs out of the core
> memory!
> > Also we used core memory!
> >
> > On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
> >
> >> Back In My Day if you said "I'm using Linux" people would say "That's a
> >> weird way to misspell Minix." #GetOffMyVirtualLawn
> >>
> >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I think we should start a TCLUG Olde Timers Club (; I'll go first: I
> was
> >>> using Linux before there were distributions!
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, John Trammell wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ditto.  Wendell, do you have any good war stories?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>       Wendell.
> >>>>
> >>>>       I am old enough to be impressed by that :)
> >>>>
> >>>>       On 1/21/15 2:21 PM, Wendell Bell wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>       In my defense, I was writing code, in Fortran and MAP, for
> >>>>       use on IIT's IBM 7040 back in 1965.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>       On Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 2:06 PM null <tclug at freakzilla.com>
> >>>>       wrote:
> >>>>             On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Wendell Bell wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>             > As for being backed up, I'm accustomed to
> >>>>             losing all my data with every
> >>>>             > hardware replacement and every hard reset,
> >>>>             so this won't be any different.
> >>>>
> >>>>             Oh good lord that is wrong and sad on so many
> >>>>             levels. That's just no way
> >>>>             to live!
> >>>>
> >>>>             My friend, you need more than someone helping
> >>>>             figure out what is very
> >>>>             probably NOT a kernel issue. You need some
> >>>>             basic How To Use Computers
> >>>>             skills. Your life could be so much easier and
> >>>>             simpler...
> >>>>
> >>>>             _______________________________________________
> >>>>             TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
> >>>>             Minnesota
> >>>>             tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >_______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 23 15:59:26 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:59:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SSD vs HDD for DIY security camera project
In-Reply-To: <54C27F87.6080206@kateley.com>
References: <CAFFxK9itTdkdAOMP=973fFG-X6wGPLk5qS4eucT0-vek8MCfaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F3BF5A6AB9F4E2B8E4F0DBA18C944EC@d830a> <54C27F87.6080206@kateley.com>
Message-ID: <2FF3587F93D7427CB828E8954C39A800@d830a>

 


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Linda Kateley
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:06 AM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SSD vs HDD for DIY security camera project


On 1/22/15 8:15 PM, Chuck Cole wrote:


 


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Craig Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:50 PM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] SSD vs HDD for DIY security camera project



 

Thanks to all who replied.  The consensus was that SDD reliability wasn't a
concern given my bandwidth, but performance wasn't worth the money.  

 

FWIW, I'm very happy with the Seagate ST1000LM0141 tb hybrid SSHD drive I
put in my laptop.  It's 4x the speed of "only rotating" and only about 15%
higher price than a "rotating only" model.

Nice, has anyone seen any "endurance" numbers for these hybrid drives? 

I have been watching these tests on ssds..

 
<http://techreport.com/review/27436/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-two-freakin
g-petabytes>
http://techreport.com/review/27436/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-two-freaking
-petabytes

But my instinct is that hybrid would actually have lower endurance. All of
the heat/noise/vibration that comes off a hdd would seem not to be good for
ssd. Or if it is not writing much into ssd part...  ???
  
 
Linda (et al)
 
I have some knowledge of these things technically and "was in the business"
of both hi-rel and hard drives..



Noise and vibration aren't big issues since these chips don't have big ears
and are mounted in quiet corners with good thermal conductivity to the
outside as well as good air circulation inside.  Temperature is not a big
issue unless things get ..  hotter than just warm.   The effect of
temperature on reliability is not bad until (slowly drops) until some
critical temp is neared or exceeded.  Going from memory and don't recall
clearly, but I think that's about 50C which is likely much hotter than my
Dell laptop hard drives ever get.  At this "critical temp", the reliability
curve drops as the 3rd or 5th power of the difference above the critical
temp.. a very sharp decrease in reliability indeed, but insignificant below
the critical temp.



Other parts inside a hard drive have a tougher time, but the issues are very
well understood and accounted for which is why hard drives are more reliable
than most semiconductor memory (because board and box temps aren't as
well-controlled).  Seagate puts their 5 year guarantee on their SSHD drives.



Chuck 


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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 23 17:37:18 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:37:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Status on Penguins Unbound meetings
In-Reply-To: <CAAvSaRph0LHAA=1sXT+s72ZAOceB=sW8gqi7e16vzKNS=obBwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAvSaRph0LHAA=1sXT+s72ZAOceB=sW8gqi7e16vzKNS=obBwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W83D58F730B7D6C3456A81099360@phx.gbl>

Hi John! Happy New Year to you by the way.

Could I please suggest a meeting concerning the following issue:

1. Backup solutions for today's Linux Desktop computers. 

I will keep this message short and to the point as I am certain you are very busy. 

Thank you for your time and Happy New Year. ?

Sincerly, paul g

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 12:58:03 -0600
From: john.a.frisk at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org; ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net
Subject: [tclug-list] Status on Penguins Unbound meetings

Greetings all,
This month we will be taking a break from Penguins Unbound meeting in person.  We are looking for a new place to meet.  Brian and I have some new places we are looking at but it just happened that we didn't have a topic speaker officially lined up yet for January.

Please send your ideas for meeting topics to me and I will compile them. 

I will send out another update once we can share more information.
Thanks!
John


_______________________________________________
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 20:00:34 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:00:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shimmering images
Message-ID: <CABWFOjuTq8bt6MwOqqRS-nF7xDoO4CqejuBCn2acMagQ8Z5gug@mail.gmail.com>

I have a computer where the images are moving around a
little bit, making it kind of hard to use.  At first I figured it
was the monitor, and I moved the monitor to another computer.
The images were fine when connected to a different machine,
so I guess it wasn't the monitor after all.  Then I rebooted the
original computer, but the problem remained.  So now I'm
thinking the problem may be with the graphics card or
motherboard.  I haven't opened the box up to check if there's
a separate graphics card or not.  Is there anything else you
suggest checking?  Tia.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "When the righteous are in authority,
the people rejoice; but when a wicked *man* rules, the people
groan."  Proverbs 29:2

http://webEbenezer.net
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sun Jan 25 20:04:02 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:04:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Shimmering images
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjuTq8bt6MwOqqRS-nF7xDoO4CqejuBCn2acMagQ8Z5gug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjuTq8bt6MwOqqRS-nF7xDoO4CqejuBCn2acMagQ8Z5gug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1501252002250.7227@cockerel.yaron.org>

You can tell if it's a separate graphics card without opening the box. If 
the connector is where the kayboard.mouse/serial/USB ports are on the 
back, then it's part of the motherboard. If the connector is in an 
extension slot, it's an extension card.

On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, Brian Wood wrote:

> 
> I have a computer where the images are moving around a
> little bit, making it kind of hard to use.? At first I figured it
> was the monitor, and I moved the monitor to another computer.
> The images were fine when connected to a different machine,
> so I guess it wasn't the monitor after all.? Then I rebooted the
> original computer, but the problem remained.? So now I'm
> thinking the problem may be with the graphics card or
> motherboard.? I haven't opened the box up to check if there's
> a separate graphics card or not.? Is there anything else you
> suggest checking?? Tia.
> 
> --
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - "When the righteous are in authority,
> the people rejoice; but when a wicked man rules, the people
> groan."? Proverbs 29:2
> ?
> http://webEbenezer.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Jan 25 20:37:56 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:37:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shimmering images
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjuTq8bt6MwOqqRS-nF7xDoO4CqejuBCn2acMagQ8Z5gug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjuTq8bt6MwOqqRS-nF7xDoO4CqejuBCn2acMagQ8Z5gug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <331ED23F-F611-4B59-A53D-CEE3DDDD6BE9@cwis.biz>

LCDs or CRTs?

Can you change the video cable?



> On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a computer where the images are moving around a 
> little bit, making it kind of hard to use.  At first I figured it
> was the monitor, and I moved the monitor to another computer.
> The images were fine when connected to a different machine, 
> so I guess it wasn't the monitor after all.  Then I rebooted the 
> original computer, but the problem remained.  So now I'm 
> thinking the problem may be with the graphics card or 
> motherboard.  I haven't opened the box up to check if there's 
> a separate graphics card or not.  Is there anything else you 
> suggest checking?  Tia.
> 
> -- 
> Brian 
> Ebenezer Enterprises - "When the righteous are in authority, 
> the people rejoice; but when a wicked man rules, the people 
> groan."  Proverbs 29:2
>  
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From admin at lctn.org  Mon Jan 26 08:58:19 2015
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:58:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
Message-ID: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>

Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb, 
but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)

lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan 
(formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)


Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA

In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)

What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device 
to show up as a storage device?

-- 
Raymond Norton
LCTN
952.955.7766


From joel.longanecker at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 09:00:38 2015
From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:00:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <CAOusT-854TPZNsPCCmHPY7dMVE+TfYbWNo2HVXJbaaYS8z7KNA@mail.gmail.com>

Does it show up in /dev/ ?

http://linuxconfig.org/howto-mount-usb-drive-in-linux

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:

> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb,
> but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
>
> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan
> (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
>
>
> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
>
> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
>
> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device
> to show up as a storage device?
>
> --
> Raymond Norton
> LCTN
> 952.955.7766
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 09:05:54 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:05:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO20cCMvB-AHxxA_nU+tp1J0as_q13-yxiiZicJEepKZEw@mail.gmail.com>

Doesn't sound good if it's not recognized correctly as storage. Sounds
like either the controller, or the flash itself is finished. If you
like soldering you could swap out the controller (buy a similar flash
drive, swap the flash), but you're out of luck if the flash itself ran
out of life.

Testdisk and photorec work great for software recovery, as root, but
they need to see a storage device entry.
--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb, but
> does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
>
> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan
> (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
>
>
> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
>
> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
>
> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device to
> show up as a storage device?
>
> --
> Raymond Norton
> LCTN
> 952.955.7766
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From sfertch at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 09:14:14 2015
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:14:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <CAJCD7j6dmTXj3S7yK_7W+PqeXg5dMiLcWNhXh5wd1JT180j9MA@mail.gmail.com>

Any chance he might have encrypted it and it is corrupt, or he forgot he
did it?
On Jan 26, 2015 8:58 AM, "Raymond Norton" <admin at lctn.org> wrote:

> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb,
> but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
>
> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan
> (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
>
>
> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
>
> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
>
> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device
> to show up as a storage device?
>
> --
> Raymond Norton
> LCTN
> 952.955.7766
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From admin at lctn.org  Mon Jan 26 09:20:44 2015
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:20:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <CAOusT-854TPZNsPCCmHPY7dMVE+TfYbWNo2HVXJbaaYS8z7KNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
 <CAOusT-854TPZNsPCCmHPY7dMVE+TfYbWNo2HVXJbaaYS8z7KNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C65B4C.7020500@lctn.org>

Yes, under Sg7, but does not show up with fdisk -l .



On 01/26/2015 09:00 AM, Joel Longanecker wrote:
> Does it show up in /dev/ ?
>
> http://linuxconfig.org/howto-mount-usb-drive-in-linux


From admin at lctn.org  Mon Jan 26 09:22:41 2015
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:22:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <CAJCD7j6dmTXj3S7yK_7W+PqeXg5dMiLcWNhXh5wd1JT180j9MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
 <CAJCD7j6dmTXj3S7yK_7W+PqeXg5dMiLcWNhXh5wd1JT180j9MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C65BC1.6010507@lctn.org>


Knowing the user, I wouldn't think so.


On 01/26/2015 09:14 AM, Shawn Fertch wrote:
>
> Any chance he might have encrypted it and it is corrupt, or he forgot 
> he did it?
>






From joel.longanecker at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 09:29:06 2015
From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:29:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <54C65BC1.6010507@lctn.org>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
 <CAJCD7j6dmTXj3S7yK_7W+PqeXg5dMiLcWNhXh5wd1JT180j9MA@mail.gmail.com>
 <54C65BC1.6010507@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <CAOusT-8599W0N_Tj5FSWRmiqRBENCWmcNU_1FrNLs=iznWV5KQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1586206

doing a sudo modprobe usb_storage seems to fix this for some people. Does
it work if plugged into another machine?

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:

>
> Knowing the user, I wouldn't think so.
>
>
> On 01/26/2015 09:14 AM, Shawn Fertch wrote:
>
>>
>> Any chance he might have encrypted it and it is corrupt, or he forgot he
>> did it?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 13:36:40 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:36:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtE=_9obnyf2uDHCLT=1P45cxy=ZwvBA5tqt_0QydzjUw@mail.gmail.com>

Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> writes:

>
> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb,
> but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
>
> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan
> (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
>
>
> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
>
> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
>
> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device
> to show up as a storage device?

I've had similar problems.  The only thing that's worked for
me is to plug the drive into a Windows 7 machine.  Sometimes
I have to remove the drive and plug it back in several times
before Windows will bring up a window that has some "General
options".  One of the options is to read the drive and give you
a listing.  Once I get the listing that's usually enough and I can
remove the drive and plug it back into either a FreeBSD or
Linux machine and they will be able to recognize the drive
again.  I had to do that just a few days ago.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Tue Jan 27 12:11:56 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:11:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] impersonation fraudware
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9Cx+8fmcLyenV0FsgFMTFF_ejqFeNoqQUc2Kq3ONdRHZg@mail.gmail.com>

in general i am happy to avail myself of free services.

however an hour and a quarter after my daughter sent me her first text
from talkatone on her kindle fire, i received "I use Talkatone to
call/text any number in the US & Canada without using my cell minutes.
Get it at tktn.at."

and it was signed as if by my daughter.

that's impersonation fraud, wouldn't you say?  i've written them a
complaint.  what other response would you think is warranted?

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 27 22:26:46 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:26:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] impersonation fraudware
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9Cx+8fmcLyenV0FsgFMTFF_ejqFeNoqQUc2Kq3ONdRHZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9Cx+8fmcLyenV0FsgFMTFF_ejqFeNoqQUc2Kq3ONdRHZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W642D8FD239B7DE4738980C99330@phx.gbl>

The Kindle device has software developed/on specifically for the device including applications ready to be freely installed aya 'apps'. If you are utilizing the device you are in order subject to 'any' rules/lawsregulations as they see fit. You may want to 'root' the device with an open source operating system. 

In the coming years one could look at intel not offering updates to bios or AMD simply playing the game. 

Impersonation fraud is not cared or necessary. You for one need to create a group plan with the device. If one user of the plan does not obtain specific ownership of the entire network without specifically implementing 'other users are just in a group' you will always loose.

Thanks,

paul g


> From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:11:56 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: [tclug-list] impersonation fraudware
> 
> in general i am happy to avail myself of free services.
> 
> however an hour and a quarter after my daughter sent me her first text
> from talkatone on her kindle fire, i received "I use Talkatone to
> call/text any number in the US & Canada without using my cell minutes.
> Get it at tktn.at."
> 
> and it was signed as if by my daughter.
> 
> that's impersonation fraud, wouldn't you say?  i've written them a
> complaint.  what other response would you think is warranted?
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Jan 27 23:45:11 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:45:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] impersonation fraudware
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9Cx+8fmcLyenV0FsgFMTFF_ejqFeNoqQUc2Kq3ONdRHZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9Cx+8fmcLyenV0FsgFMTFF_ejqFeNoqQUc2Kq3ONdRHZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C6A27F5-B125-49A5-9E32-B0961C583E79@cwis.biz>

Welcome to the world of ad-supported software.

I suggest you get used to it or tell her to not use free programs.

> On Jan 27, 2015, at 12:11 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
> 
> in general i am happy to avail myself of free services.
> 
> however an hour and a quarter after my daughter sent me her first text
> from talkatone on her kindle fire, i received "I use Talkatone to
> call/text any number in the US & Canada without using my cell minutes.
> Get it at tktn.at."
> 
> and it was signed as if by my daughter.
> 
> that's impersonation fraud, wouldn't you say?  i've written them a
> complaint.  what other response would you think is warranted?
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Wed Jan 28 00:22:15 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 00:22:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shimmering images
In-Reply-To: <331ED23F-F611-4B59-A53D-CEE3DDDD6BE9@cwis.biz>
References: <CABWFOjuTq8bt6MwOqqRS-nF7xDoO4CqejuBCn2acMagQ8Z5gug@mail.gmail.com>
 <331ED23F-F611-4B59-A53D-CEE3DDDD6BE9@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <7FFD4A9D-E1FA-483E-87F8-35999F44FAE2@cwis.biz>

????

You ask for help but then you?re absent.   Please advise.


> On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> 
> LCDs or CRTs?
> 
> Can you change the video cable?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com <mailto:woodbrian77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have a computer where the images are moving around a 
>> little bit, making it kind of hard to use.  At first I figured it
>> was the monitor, and I moved the monitor to another computer.
>> The images were fine when connected to a different machine, 
>> so I guess it wasn't the monitor after all.  Then I rebooted the 
>> original computer, but the problem remained.  So now I'm 
>> thinking the problem may be with the graphics card or 
>> motherboard.  I haven't opened the box up to check if there's 
>> a separate graphics card or not.  Is there anything else you 
>> suggest checking?  Tia.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Brian 
>> Ebenezer Enterprises - "When the righteous are in authority, 
>> the people rejoice; but when a wicked man rules, the people 
>> groan."  Proverbs 29:2
>>  
>> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 14:13:54 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:13:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shimmering images
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjuTq8bt6MwOqqRS-nF7xDoO4CqejuBCn2acMagQ8Z5gug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjuTq8bt6MwOqqRS-nF7xDoO4CqejuBCn2acMagQ8Z5gug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABWFOju5ntLUevhufjw=GT19QWXCgySP7DZ-B9kUYyMjG1MS4A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I have a computer where the images are moving around a
> little bit, making it kind of hard to use.  At first I figured it
> was the monitor, and I moved the monitor to another computer.
> The images were fine when connected to a different machine,
> so I guess it wasn't the monitor after all.  Then I rebooted the
> original computer, but the problem remained.  So now I'm
> thinking the problem may be with the graphics card or
> motherboard.  I haven't opened the box up to check if there's
> a separate graphics card or not.  Is there anything else you
> suggest checking?  Tia.
>
>
I think the graphics functionality is integrated with the motherboard
as the connector is near the mouse and keyboard connectors.
I tried a few things with the cable, but my experiments didn't result
in anything helpful.  I may buy a graphics card and see if that helps.


-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us.
http://webEbenezer.net
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