From markdeb.browne at comcast.net Mon Sep 2 12:26:31 2013 From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (Mark) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:26:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Sun hardware - free to a good home Message-ID: <00d101cea801$911306e0$b33914a0$@comcast.net> 3 x Sparkstation 5 1 x ultra 5 3 x keyboards 1 x (large) sun monitor 1 x CD drive with carrier (SCSI hookup of course) Copy of Solaris 9 on optical media Various CPU and graphics modules for the sparkstations. My wife is after me to control my clutter and sadly - I have not fired up these boxen for years. Maybe someone else can get more enjoyment from them. I may be able to deliver in the metro area. 763-360-7903 cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jake.vath at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 12:35:10 2013 From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:35:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Sun hardware - free to a good home In-Reply-To: <00d101cea801$911306e0$b33914a0$@comcast.net> References: <00d101cea801$911306e0$b33914a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: What kind of keyboard(s)? -> Jake On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Mark wrote: > 3 x Sparkstation 5**** > > 1 x ultra 5**** > > 3 x keyboards**** > > 1 x (large) sun monitor**** > > 1 x CD drive with carrier (SCSI hookup of course)**** > > Copy of Solaris 9 on optical media**** > > Various CPU and graphics modules for the sparkstations.**** > > ** ** > > My wife is after me to control my clutter and sadly ? I have not fired up > these boxen for years. **** > > Maybe someone else can get more enjoyment from them.**** > > ** ** > > I may be able to deliver in the metro area.**** > > ** ** > > 763-360-7903 cell**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 2 13:09:40 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:09:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Sun hardware - free to a good home In-Reply-To: <00d101cea801$911306e0$b33914a0$@comcast.net> References: <00d101cea801$911306e0$b33914a0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: This is sad. when I finally decided to declutter my office the old Sun hardware was first on the cutting block, too. I actually had to electronics-recycle a bunch of old sparcclassics and a voyager because I could not find good homes for them. On Mon, 2 Sep 2013, Mark wrote: > > 3 x Sparkstation 5 > > 1 x ultra 5 > > 3 x keyboards > > 1 x (large) sun monitor > > 1 x CD drive with carrier (SCSI hookup of course) > > Copy of Solaris 9 on optical media > > Various CPU and graphics modules for the sparkstations. > > ? > > My wife is after me to control my clutter and sadly ? I have not fired up > these boxen for years. > > Maybe someone else can get more enjoyment from them. > > ? > > I may be able to deliver in the metro area. > > ? > > 763-360-7903 cell > > ? > > > From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 19:57:21 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 19:57:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] inotifywait - too noisy In-Reply-To: References: <521448BB.8060208@gmail.com> <5216437B.1090803@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <522533F1.8070201@gmail.com> On 8/23/2013 3:25 AM, Mike Miller wrote:: > Are the multiple email messages identical, or does $FILE change? > > Mike > > It depends. If the file was being saved from node on the LAN then it seemed to only send 1 - 3 notifications with the same file name. If the file was being saved from out in the wan that often it would send multiple *.tmp files before sending the final file.name. From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 20:02:47 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:02:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] inotifywait - too noisy In-Reply-To: References: <521448BB.8060208@gmail.com> <5216437B.1090803@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <52253537.5060703@gmail.com> On 8/23/2013 6:59 AM, Jake Vath wrote:: Thanks to all who replied to my cry for help. I ended up changing the game plan a little, and it works fine now. I changed the inotifywait to only monitor create & modify, and then append the file names to a log file (more often than not multiple instances of the same file were being recorded). I then created a php script to parse the log file, just pull the unique names from the log, email the user the unique name, and wipe to log file. I set this up as a cron job that runs every 10 minutes. In the end, all is working as planned, just a couple extra steps involved. > Ha, I just noticed that I used the wrong email in my script. > So, if anyone is wondering with the email address changed... it was user > error. > Sorry about that. > > -> Jake > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Jake Vath > wrote: > > I modified the script a bit. > I added /set -e/ to the script and removed the pipe to /sendmail > / > All of the output is being directed to /stdout/. > > > #!/bin/bash > # > # usage: script DIR email-to-addr > set -e > > DIR=$1 > EMAILTO=$2 > > /usr/bin/inotifywait --recursive \ > > --monitor \ > --quiet \ > --exclude '.*\.tmp' \ > --event close_write \ > --format '%f' \ > /home/jake/tmp/$DIR | while read FILE; > > do > { > echo "To: $EMAILTO" > echo "From: MONITOR ROBOT >" > echo "Subject: Alert - $DIR" > echo " " > echo "A new file has been detected in $DIR" > echo "" > echo "The New File is named:" > echo " " > echo $FILE > } 2>&1 > done > > I executed the script like this: > jake at server:~$ ./mailme.sh dirToWatch jake.vath at gmail.com > > > Only get one "email" per file that I created. > Granted the email is not sent through /sendmail/. > > After running this: > jake at server:~$ touch tmp ./dirToWatch/tmp > > I get a "email" like this in my shell: > /To: jvath at erdc.k12.mn.us / > /From: MONITOR ROBOT >/ > /Subject: Alert - dirToWatch/ > > /A new file has been detected in dirToWatch/ > > > /The New File is named:/ > > /tmp/ > > Do you think that it would be something with your mail server or > /sendmail/? > > Mike, when I created some test files $FILE always changed. > > Actually, I'm a little confused by the /2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t/ > at the end of your do-while loop. > I know that /2>&1/ is going to redirect /stderr/ to /stdout/, but > that redirection only takes place IFF there /is/ and error, correct? > If that is correct and the normal output is going through the pipe > to /sendmail/ just like it looks like. > > On a slightly related note, I read the man page for /sendmail/ and > came across this: > > /Notes/ > > /sendmail often gets blamed for many problems that are actually > the result of other problems, such as overly permissive modes on > directories. For this reason, sendmail checks the modes on > system directories and files to determine if they can be > trusted. Although these checks can be turned off and your system > security reduced by setting the DontBlameSendmail option, the > permission problems should be fixed. For more information, see:/ > > /http://www.sendmail.org/tips/DontBlameSendmail.html/ > > I thought it was comical, as I'm sure they do get a lot bug reports > that are not /really/ bugs in /sendmail/. > > -> Jake > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Mike Miller > wrote: > > Are the multiple email messages identical, or does $FILE change? > > Mike > > > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > I'm not sure either. But it seems the pipe to while isn't a > pipe from one executable command output to another > executable command input. > > > Mike Miller wrote: > > Isn't the question here why it would send multiple > messages when the > event is close_write? > > I'm not clear on how "while read FILE" works, but that > is the part that > makes me suspicious. > > Mike > > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Jake Vath wrote: > > Do you want to stick with Bash for the solution? > I've done something similar using Perl, so I bet I > could modify it to do > something like this. > The Perl script uses *Inotify2*, so it's fairly > portable. > > If you want to stick with Bash, maybe you could > assemble your email > into a > few different strings, such as to, from, subject, > and body. > You could only send an email with all the previous > information and the > body > of the emails concatenated together. > That way you could build the emails based on some > events and then send > one > email on a specific event. > Think of it as a sentinel-controlled event loop. > > -> Jake > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:57 PM, B-o-B De Mars > >wrote: > > I need to monitor various directories contained > in one base directory, and notify certain users > by email when a file has been added or changed > in their monitored directory. I wrote a script > using inotifywait, and when an event is > triggered it fires of an email to the user with > the location & the new file name. > > The script is working, but can generate many > emails for one event (saving a large file for > example). > > I have tried many of the different --event types > available in inotifywait to see if I could get > it down to one notification. No luck yet. Here > is the basic outline of the script. Any thoughts > on how I might be able to get this to only send > one email per file would be greatly appreciated. > > #!/bin/bash > # > # usage: script DIR email-to-addr > > DIR=$1 > EMAILTO=$2 > > inotifywait --recursive --monitor --quiet > --exclude '.*\.tmp' \ > --event close_write --format '%f' \ > /var/www/htdocs/contracts/**__contracts/$DIR | > while read FILE ; > do > { > echo "To: $EMAILTO" > echo "From: MONITOR ROBOT > >" > echo "Subject: Alert - $DIR" > echo " " > echo "A new file has been detected in $DIR" > echo "" > echo "The New File is named:" > echo " " > echo $FILE > } 2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t > done > > Thanks! > > Mr. B-o-B From stuporglue at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 19:30:07 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:30:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) Message-ID: Hello all, I installed Debian over the summer, replacing a Ubuntu install and now that I'm back at school can't get on the Wifi under Linux. It works fine under Windows. UMN has 3 WiFi networks: UMN UMN Public UMN Secure I have the same symptoms under all 3. I can connect to the network, I am given an IP address and DNS servers, but I can't access anything. I tried adding my own DNS server, but the results were the same. I was assigned an IPv6 address and an IPv4 address, so I disabled IPv6 and the results were the same. When connected simple commands like "dig google.com", ping and traceroute all fail. UMN and UMN Public both have a click-through hotspot page where you enter your un/password (for UMN) or enter a contact email address (UMN Public). That hotspot page DOES come up, but submitting it results in a spinning browser tab. The UMN Secure page uses a PEAP authentication with a certificate. I set it up following these instructions ( https://wiki.umn.edu/Main/UofMSecureWirelessViaUbuntu) and it is able to connect successfully (IP address is assigned), but I get the same internet access issues. Any suggestions on things to try or instructions on how to debug this would be appreciated. Thank you, Michael Moore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjb at umn.edu Tue Sep 3 19:53:02 2013 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:53:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130904005302.GA20669@calculon.localdomain> On Tue, 03 Sep 2013, Michael Moore said: > > The UMN Secure page uses a PEAP authentication with a certificate. I set it > up following these instructions ( > https://wiki.umn.edu/Main/UofMSecureWirelessViaUbuntu) and it is able to > connect successfully (IP address is assigned), but I get the same internet > access issues. > > Any suggestions on things to try or instructions on how to debug this would > be appreciated. > > Thank you, > Michael Moore Hi Michael, I do have two colleagues here who have a lot of difficulty with recent Ubuntu installs (13.04) on various wireless chipsets they have tried. One of said colleagues has spent quite a lot of time troubleshooting it and has come to believe that gnutls cares more than it probably should about the certificate order it receives while trying to validate the certificate chain and eventually gives up, but he doesn't have complete evidence for this yet. In the past couple of days, I have heard from both of them that they have had more success and stability on wifi if they disable 802.11n and rely instead on 802.11g. You might give that a try... Me personally - I run Fedora 19 on campus daily and have a good stable wifi connection on UofM Secure using a RealTek RT2800 chipset in a little USB dongle ($12 Panda Wireless). My machine's built-in Broadcom BCM4311 is flaky to say the least, but does sort of work about half the time (hence I use the dongle instead). My current kernel is 3.10.7, but I haven't had to do anything special to get UofM Secure connected in years (since around when that wiki page first turned up). It should be PEAP/MSCHAPv2 as you already know. When last I ran Debian unstable about 4-5 months ago, I didn't yet have the RT2800 dongle and had generally a unreliable connection. It had been some degree of flaky for me through every Fedora release on various Intel and Broadcom chips back as far as I can remember. So if you can, try to disable 802.11n and see if that helps. -- ++++++++++++++++++++ Michael Berkowski University of Minnesota Libraries mjb at umn.edu 612.626.6137 PGP Public Key: http://z.umn.edu/mjbpubkey ++++++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mjb at umn.edu Tue Sep 3 20:00:36 2013 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:00:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: <20130904005302.GA20669@calculon.localdomain> References: <20130904005302.GA20669@calculon.localdomain> Message-ID: <20130904010036.GA21452@calculon.localdomain> On Tue, 03 Sep 2013, Michael Berkowski said: > Me personally - I run Fedora 19 on campus daily and have a good stable > wifi connection on UofM Secure using a RealTek RT2800 chipset in a little > USB dongle ($12 Panda Wireless). My machine's built-in Broadcom BCM4311 is flaky to say the > least, but does sort of work about half the time (hence I use the dongle instead). > My current kernel is 3.10.7, but I haven't had to do anything special to > get UofM Secure connected in years (since around when that wiki page first > turned up). It should be PEAP/MSCHAPv2 as you already know. Oh, I forgot to mention - one of my colleagues tried out my realtek USB wifi dongle on Ubuntu 13.04 but didn't have any better success than with his built-in Intel wireless, so it seems not to be chipset related. My issue with my Broadcom chipset not working well is likely because Broadcom chipsets never work well anywhere. -- ++++++++++++++++++++ Michael Berkowski University of Minnesota Libraries mjb at umn.edu 612.626.6137 PGP Public Key: http://z.umn.edu/mjbpubkey ++++++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stuporglue at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 19:58:57 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:58:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: <20130904005302.GA20669@calculon.localdomain> References: <20130904005302.GA20669@calculon.localdomain> Message-ID: > I do have two colleagues here who have a lot of difficulty with recent > Ubuntu installs (13.04) on various wireless chipsets they have tried. > > One of said colleagues has spent quite a lot of time troubleshooting it > and has come to believe that gnutls cares more than it probably should > about the certificate order it receives while trying to validate the > certificate chain and eventually gives up, but he doesn't have complete > evidence for this yet. > This would apply only to the UMN Secure network, correct? I think the UMN and UMN Guest networks are unsecured. In the past couple of days, I have heard from both of them that they have > had more success and stability on wifi if they disable 802.11n and rely > instead on 802.11g. You might give that a try... > > Me personally - I run Fedora 19 on campus daily and have a good stable > wifi connection on UofM Secure using a RealTek RT2800 chipset in a little > USB dongle ($12 Panda Wireless). My machine's built-in Broadcom BCM4311 is > flaky to say the > least, but does sort of work about half the time (hence I use the dongle > instead). > My current kernel is 3.10.7, but I haven't had to do anything special to > get UofM Secure connected in years (since around when that wiki page first > turned up). It should be PEAP/MSCHAPv2 as you already know. > > When last I ran Debian unstable about 4-5 months ago, I didn't yet have > the RT2800 dongle and had generally a unreliable connection. It had been > some degree of flaky for me through every Fedora release on various Intel > and Broadcom chips back as far as I can remember. > > So if you can, try to disable 802.11n and see if that helps. > Weird. I've got an Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205. It works everywhere else, but I'll try anything. I've saved instructions to disable 802.11n locally and I'll try it tomorrow. I've also got a Ralink 802.11g dongle of some sort I'll try out. Thank you, Michael Moore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Sep 3 20:36:30 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 20:36:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: References: <20130904005302.GA20669@calculon.localdomain> Message-ID: <273195D4-FDF3-4EEF-A3A6-4C7125AAF73C@me.com> The U networks have an interstitial page that requires you sign in before using? could your DNS be trying to override their settings and keeping you from getting to the login.umn.edu domain (or whatever it is - when hockey season starts next month {!!!!!!} I will know the exact login script)? -- Ryan On Sep 3, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Michael Moore wrote: > > I do have two colleagues here who have a lot of difficulty with recent > Ubuntu installs (13.04) on various wireless chipsets they have tried. > > One of said colleagues has spent quite a lot of time troubleshooting it > and has come to believe that gnutls cares more than it probably should > about the certificate order it receives while trying to validate the > certificate chain and eventually gives up, but he doesn't have complete > evidence for this yet. > > This would apply only to the UMN Secure network, correct? I think the UMN and UMN Guest networks are unsecured. > > > In the past couple of days, I have heard from both of them that they have > had more success and stability on wifi if they disable 802.11n and rely > instead on 802.11g. You might give that a try... > > Me personally - I run Fedora 19 on campus daily and have a good stable > wifi connection on UofM Secure using a RealTek RT2800 chipset in a little > USB dongle ($12 Panda Wireless). My machine's built-in Broadcom BCM4311 is flaky to say the > least, but does sort of work about half the time (hence I use the dongle instead). > My current kernel is 3.10.7, but I haven't had to do anything special to > get UofM Secure connected in years (since around when that wiki page first > turned up). It should be PEAP/MSCHAPv2 as you already know. > > When last I ran Debian unstable about 4-5 months ago, I didn't yet have > the RT2800 dongle and had generally a unreliable connection. It had been > some degree of flaky for me through every Fedora release on various Intel > and Broadcom chips back as far as I can remember. > > So if you can, try to disable 802.11n and see if that helps. > > > Weird. I've got an Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205. It works everywhere else, but I'll try anything. I've saved instructions to disable 802.11n locally and I'll try it tomorrow. > > I've also got a Ralink 802.11g dongle of some sort I'll try out. > > Thank you, > Michael Moore > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjb at umn.edu Tue Sep 3 20:47:25 2013 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:47:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: <273195D4-FDF3-4EEF-A3A6-4C7125AAF73C@me.com> References: <20130904005302.GA20669@calculon.localdomain> <273195D4-FDF3-4EEF-A3A6-4C7125AAF73C@me.com> Message-ID: <20130904014725.GA21661@calculon.localdomain> On Tue, 03 Sep 2013, Ryan Coleman said: > The U networks have an interstitial page that requires you sign in before using? could your DNS be trying to override their settings and keeping you from getting to the login.umn.edu domain (or whatever it is - when hockey season starts next month {!!!!!!} I will know the exact login script)? The UofM Guest network has a TOS click through where you supply an email address, I think, and the "UofM" network has the interstitial login screen for staff/student logins, but the "UofM Secure" and the new eduroam networks don't have a login screen. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Sep 3 21:05:31 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 21:05:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: <20130904014725.GA21661@calculon.localdomain> References: <20130904005302.GA20669@calculon.localdomain> <273195D4-FDF3-4EEF-A3A6-4C7125AAF73C@me.com> <20130904014725.GA21661@calculon.localdomain> Message-ID: <1232F5DA-782A-4C8E-BEE3-EB4E30A6CEEC@me.com> Yeah, but it's still an interstitial? the page requires entering your email and clicking a button? "login" or not you still have to hit the form to clear the firewall - and you do that every two hours. Port 80 is open, 5190 is open, 21 is not (I "hide" a backup on my FTP server on 5190 - aka Oscar or AOL AIM - to get around that firewall block). They also block SSL email on that network. The secure WiFi has a x501 login, if I remember right. On Sep 3, 2013, at 8:47 PM, Michael Berkowski wrote: > > On Tue, 03 Sep 2013, Ryan Coleman said: > >> The U networks have an interstitial page that requires you sign in before using? could your DNS be trying to override their settings and keeping you from getting to the login.umn.edu domain (or whatever it is - when hockey season starts next month {!!!!!!} I will know the exact login script)? > > The UofM Guest network has a TOS click through where you supply an email > address, I think, and the "UofM" network has the interstitial login screen > for staff/student logins, but the "UofM Secure" and the new eduroam > networks don't have a login screen. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pj.world at hotmail.com Tue Sep 3 21:20:19 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 21:20:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: <20130904014725.GA21661@calculon.localdomain> References: , <20130904005302.GA20669@calculon.localdomain>, , <273195D4-FDF3-4EEF-A3A6-4C7125AAF73C@me.com>, <20130904014725.GA21661@calculon.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi, Sorry to bug you I ran into an old laptop with a bad wifi switch I was able to put a small piece of tape over the #'13' on the pci mini wifi card to enable the wifi card all the time. heres a link you might check I know it is off topic but it's helpful. Sorry to bug you. http://www.notebookforums.com/t/225429/broken-wireless-hardware-switch-fix Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:47:25 -0500 From: mjb at umn.edu To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) On Tue, 03 Sep 2013, Ryan Coleman said: > The U networks have an interstitial page that requires you sign in before using? could your DNS be trying to override their settings and keeping you from getting to the login.umn.edu domain (or whatever it is - when hockey season starts next month {!!!!!!} I will know the exact login script)? The UofM Guest network has a TOS click through where you supply an email address, I think, and the "UofM" network has the interstitial login screen for staff/student logins, but the "UofM Secure" and the new eduroam networks don't have a login screen. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From max at bernsteinforpresident.com Tue Sep 3 21:02:39 2013 From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 21:02:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130903210239.6e80f3aa@Newton> Hey Michael, On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:30:07 -0500 Michael Moore wrote: > I installed Debian over the summer, replacing a Ubuntu install and > now that I'm back at school can't get on the Wifi under Linux. It > works fine under Windows. > UMN and UMN Public both have a click-through hotspot page where you > enter your un/password (for UMN) or enter a contact email address > (UMN Public). That hotspot page DOES come up, but submitting it > results in a spinning browser tab. Where are you trying to connect? I had the exact same issue you described in Ford Hall today, though it worked fine for me in Coffman on UMN Secure. I've always had far more troubles connecting to the UMN networks than to other networks. I am using the same laptop that I used last year, a Thinkpad with an older Kubuntu install. Also, are you using networkmanager or wicd? I vaguely remember having some problems with wicd. Oh, and one more thing... it seems UMN got eduroam wireless networks. I haven't tried it yet, but as far as I know, you can log in with your X500 (with @umn.edu on the end). -Max From stuporglue at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 00:30:52 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 00:30:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: <20130903210239.6e80f3aa@Newton> References: <20130903210239.6e80f3aa@Newton> Message-ID: > > > UMN and UMN Public both have a click-through hotspot page where you > > enter your un/password (for UMN) or enter a contact email address > > (UMN Public). That hotspot page DOES come up, but submitting it > > results in a spinning browser tab. > > Where are you trying to connect? I had the exact same issue you > described in Ford Hall today, though it worked fine for me in Coffman > on UMN Secure. I've always had far more troubles connecting to the UMN > networks than to other networks. I am using the same laptop that I > used last year, a Thinkpad with an older Kubuntu install. > I was in Blegen hall and in the Mech. Eng. building and had the problem in both places > Also, are you using networkmanager or wicd? I vaguely remember having > some problems with wicd. > Network manager > > Oh, and one more thing... it seems UMN got eduroam wireless networks. > I haven't tried it yet, but as far as I know, you can log in with your > X500 (with @umn.edu on the end). > If I see any networks named eduroam I'll try it out. Thank you, Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sep 4, 2013, at 12:30 AM, Michael Moore wrote: > If I see any networks named eduroam I'll try it out. > > Thank you, > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjb at umn.edu Wed Sep 4 05:45:21 2013 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 05:45:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: References: <20130903210239.6e80f3aa@Newton> Message-ID: My understanding is that the eduroam SSIDs should function identically to the UofM Secure SSID, except that they require your full @umn.edu address to authenticate. Basically their purpose is to provide federated access to the U's wifi, allowing visiting @wisc.edu faculty (for example) easy access to the good wifi without having to have a guest account provisioned. Locally, anyone who can use UofM Secure can use eduroam. https://www.eduroam.org/ Thinking about this, there may well have been wifi outages yesterday, with all the student population suddenly flooding back into campus on new iPads, etc... I don't remember seeing system status announcements about wifi On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:37 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > They're not named that, that's the hardware they are using in some of the buildings (but not all), IIRC. > > On Sep 4, 2013, at 12:30 AM, Michael Moore wrote: > >> If I see any networks named eduroam I'll try it out. >> >> Thank you, >> Michael >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- ++++++++++++++++++++ Michael Berkowski University of Minnesota Libraries Web Development mjb at umn.edu 612.626.6137 ++++++++++++++++++++ From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 17:42:17 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 17:42:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] doubling day -- a geeky thing to celebrate Message-ID: For any two people there exists a date on which the older one is exactly twice the age of the younger one. I'll call this their "doubling day." The interesting thing is that this is the same day on which the younger one is exactly the age that the older one was when the younger one was born. It is also the day on which the older one is exactly twice as old as he or she was when the younger one was born. It is fun to figure this out for parent and offspring. Here is an example: My wife's birthday: bday1="15 Sep 1969" My daughter's birthday: bday2="18 Sep 2007" The day when my daughter will be the age my wife was when my daughter was born: $ date -d "$bday2 +$(echo $(date -d "$bday1" +'%s') $(date -d "$bday2" +'%s') | awk '{print $2-$1}') seconds" +"%A, %B %d, %Y" Wednesday, September 20, 2045 So on that date, my wife will be twice the age she was when our daughter was born, our daughter will be half her mother's age, and our daughter will be the age her mother was when our daughter was born. I got more into it and made the script below. It seems to deal with time zones correctly. Let me know what you think. Thanks. Mike #!/bin/bash # Enter two birthdays, get back the date and time on which the older # individual is exactly double the age of the younger individual. # # When neither birthdate includes a time of day, both birth times are # set to 12:01 PM in the locale time zone. I wanted to use noon -- the # middle of the day -- but there is some ambiguity about whether noon # is a.m. or p.m., so I changed the time to 12:01 p.m. # # Input dates are accepted in any format that "date" can understand. # For example these work for me in my locale and give the same answer: # # 23 Mar 1992 # 1992-03-23 # 3/23/1992 # # The third example input date works in my US locale, but it won't # work in many parts of the world because the order of month and day # needs to be reversed (e.g., in Latin America and Europe). # # A time can be specified along with a time zone. Examples: # # "19 May 1958 17:00' "23 Mar 1992 20:00" # # 'TZ="America/Chicago" 19 May 1958 17:00' "23 Mar 1992 21:00 EST" # # If your machine is set to the America/Chicago (Central) time zone, # those two pairs of dates do the same thing. # # The output time zone can be specified as a third argument, but it # must be provided in the format described in timezone(3) or # tzfile(5). The easy way to figure it out is to run the command # tzselect or try this nice web site: # # http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/findzone.tzc # if [ $# -gt 2 ]; then TZ=$3 if [ -f /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ ] ; then export TZ else echo " ERROR: unacceptable time zone specified. Try this website: http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/findzone.tzc" 1>&2 ; exit 1 fi fi input_bday1=$1 input_bday2=$2 # Figure out the time time1=$(date -d "$input_bday1" +%T) time2=$(date -d "$input_bday2" +%T) # When only date, and not time, is specified, time reverts by default # to zero, which is midnight on the morning of the given day. It is # better to use noon when the time is not known, so here we change the # time to one minute after noon (so that AM/PM are clear to the user). # This code also puts the dates into seconds from 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC. if [ "$time1" == "00:00:00" ] ; then bday1=$(date -d "$input_bday1 +12 hours +1 minute" +%s) else bday1=$(date -d "$input_bday1" +%s) fi if [ "$time2" == "00:00:00" ] ; then bday2=$(date -d "$input_bday2 +12 hours +1 minute" +%s) else bday2=$(date -d "$input_bday2" +%s) fi # Compute the doubling day in seconds: let "doubling_day = 2*bday2 - bday1" # Generate output: echo "Birthday #1 = $(date -d @$bday1 +"%A, %B %d, %Y, %r %Z")" echo "Birthday #2 = $(date -d @$bday2 +"%A, %B %d, %Y, %r %Z")" echo "Doubling day = $(date -d @$doubling_day +"%A, %B %d, %Y, %r %Z")" From droidjd at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 17:47:03 2013 From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 17:47:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] doubling day -- a geeky thing to celebrate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've thought about that on and off for a while... never realized there was a name for the day though! :-) Very cool script, also! Regards, Andrew On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > For any two people there exists a date on which the older one is exactly > twice the age of the younger one. I'll call this their "doubling day." > > The interesting thing is that this is the same day on which the younger > one is exactly the age that the older one was when the younger one was > born. It is also the day on which the older one is exactly twice as old as > he or she was when the younger one was born. It is fun to figure this out > for parent and offspring. Here is an example: > > My wife's birthday: > > bday1="15 Sep 1969" > > My daughter's birthday: > > bday2="18 Sep 2007" > > The day when my daughter will be the age my wife was when my daughter was > born: > > $ date -d "$bday2 +$(echo $(date -d "$bday1" +'%s') $(date -d "$bday2" > +'%s') | awk '{print $2-$1}') seconds" +"%A, %B %d, %Y" > Wednesday, September 20, 2045 > > So on that date, my wife will be twice the age she was when our daughter > was born, our daughter will be half her mother's age, and our daughter will > be the age her mother was when our daughter was born. > > I got more into it and made the script below. It seems to deal with time > zones correctly. Let me know what you think. Thanks. > > Mike > > > #!/bin/bash > > # Enter two birthdays, get back the date and time on which the older > # individual is exactly double the age of the younger individual. > # > # When neither birthdate includes a time of day, both birth times are > # set to 12:01 PM in the locale time zone. I wanted to use noon -- the > # middle of the day -- but there is some ambiguity about whether noon > # is a.m. or p.m., so I changed the time to 12:01 p.m. > # > # Input dates are accepted in any format that "date" can understand. > # For example these work for me in my locale and give the same answer: > # # 23 Mar 1992 > # 1992-03-23 > # 3/23/1992 > # > # The third example input date works in my US locale, but it won't > # work in many parts of the world because the order of month and day > # needs to be reversed (e.g., in Latin America and Europe). > # > # A time can be specified along with a time zone. Examples: > # > # "19 May 1958 17:00' "23 Mar 1992 20:00" > # > # 'TZ="America/Chicago" 19 May 1958 17:00' "23 Mar 1992 21:00 EST" > # > # If your machine is set to the America/Chicago (Central) time zone, > # those two pairs of dates do the same thing. > # > # The output time zone can be specified as a third argument, but it > # must be provided in the format described in timezone(3) or > # tzfile(5). The easy way to figure it out is to run the command > # tzselect or try this nice web site: > # > # http://www.timezoneconverter.**com/cgi-bin/findzone.tzc > # > > > if [ $# -gt 2 ]; then > TZ=$3 > if [ -f /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ ] ; then > export TZ > else > echo " > ERROR: unacceptable time zone specified. Try this website: > http://www.timezoneconverter.**com/cgi-bin/findzone.tzc" > 1>&2 ; exit 1 > fi > fi > > input_bday1=$1 > input_bday2=$2 > > # Figure out the time > > time1=$(date -d "$input_bday1" +%T) > time2=$(date -d "$input_bday2" +%T) > > # When only date, and not time, is specified, time reverts by default > # to zero, which is midnight on the morning of the given day. It is > # better to use noon when the time is not known, so here we change the > # time to one minute after noon (so that AM/PM are clear to the user). > # This code also puts the dates into seconds from 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC. > > if [ "$time1" == "00:00:00" ] ; then > bday1=$(date -d "$input_bday1 +12 hours +1 minute" +%s) > else > bday1=$(date -d "$input_bday1" +%s) > fi > > > if [ "$time2" == "00:00:00" ] ; then > bday2=$(date -d "$input_bday2 +12 hours +1 minute" +%s) > else > bday2=$(date -d "$input_bday2" +%s) > fi > > > # Compute the doubling day in seconds: > > let "doubling_day = 2*bday2 - bday1" > > # Generate output: > > echo "Birthday #1 = $(date -d @$bday1 +"%A, %B %d, %Y, %r %Z")" > echo "Birthday #2 = $(date -d @$bday2 +"%A, %B %d, %Y, %r %Z")" > echo "Doubling day = $(date -d @$doubling_day +"%A, %B %d, %Y, %r %Z")" > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gsker at skerbitz.org Wed Sep 4 18:44:53 2013 From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gsker) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:44:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] doubling day -- a geeky thing to celebrate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah sorta fun. It's much easier on the brain if you just use the Date and don't get excited about minutes. And, unless you know the minutes for the bd and the obd, minutes really don't matter. #Birthday: bd="15 Sep 1969" #Offspring Birthday: obd="18 Sep 2007" # convenient alias alias d='date +%s --date ' # twice the obd + bd date --date @$(( 2* $(d "$obd") - $(d "$bd") )) +%c Wed Sep 20 00:00:00 CDT 2045 On Wed, 4 Sep 2013, Andrew Dahl wrote: > I've thought about that on and off for a while... never realized there was a name > for the day though! :-) > > Very cool script, also! > > Regards, > Andrew > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > For any two people there exists a date on which the older one is > exactly twice the age of the younger one. ?I'll call this their > "doubling day." > > The interesting thing is that this is the same day on which the younger > one is exactly the age that the older one was when the younger one was > born. ?It is also the day on which the older one is exactly twice as > old as he or she was when the younger one was born. ?It is fun to > figure this out for parent and offspring. ?Here is an example: > > My wife's birthday: > > bday1="15 Sep 1969" > > My daughter's birthday: > > bday2="18 Sep 2007" > > The day when my daughter will be the age my wife was when my daughter > was born: > > $ date -d "$bday2 +$(echo $(date -d "$bday1" +'%s') $(date -d "$bday2" > +'%s') | awk '{print $2-$1}') seconds" +"%A, %B %d, %Y" > Wednesday, September 20, 2045 > > So on that date, my wife will be twice the age she was when our > daughter was born, our daughter will be half her mother's age, and our > daughter will be the age her mother was when our daughter was born. > > I got more into it and made the script below. ?It seems to deal with > time zones correctly. ?Let me know what you think. ?Thanks. > > Mike > > > #!/bin/bash > > # Enter two birthdays, get back the date and time on which the older > # individual is exactly double the age of the younger individual. > # > # When neither birthdate includes a time of day, both birth times are > # set to 12:01 PM in the locale time zone. ?I wanted to use noon -- the > # middle of the day -- but there is some ambiguity about whether noon > # is a.m. or p.m., so I changed the time to 12:01 p.m. > # > # Input dates are accepted in any format that "date" can understand. > # For example these work for me in my locale and give the same answer: > # # 23 Mar 1992 > # 1992-03-23 > # 3/23/1992 > # > # The third example input date works in my US locale, but it won't > # work in many parts of the world because the order of month and day > # needs to be reversed (e.g., in Latin America and Europe). > # > # A time can be specified along with a time zone. ?Examples: > # > # "19 May 1958 17:00' "23 Mar 1992 20:00" > # > # 'TZ="America/Chicago" 19 May 1958 17:00' "23 Mar 1992 21:00 EST" > # > # If your machine is set to the America/Chicago (Central) time zone, > # those two pairs of dates do the same thing. > # > # The output time zone can be specified as a third argument, but it > # must be provided in the format described in timezone(3) or > # tzfile(5). ?The easy way to figure it out is to run the command > # tzselect or try this nice web site: > # > # http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/findzone.tzc > # > > > if [ $# -gt 2 ]; then > ? ?TZ=$3 > ? ?if [ -f /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ ] ; then > ? ? ? export TZ > ? ?else > ? ? ? echo " > ERROR: unacceptable time zone specified. Try this website: > http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/findzone.tzc" 1>&2 ; exit 1 > ? ?fi > fi > > input_bday1=$1 > input_bday2=$2 > > # Figure out the time > > time1=$(date -d "$input_bday1" +%T) > time2=$(date -d "$input_bday2" +%T) > > # When only date, and not time, is specified, time reverts by default > # to zero, which is midnight on the morning of the given day. ?It is > # better to use noon when the time is not known, so here we change the > # time to one minute after noon (so that AM/PM are clear to the user). > # This code also puts the dates into seconds from 1970-01-01 00:00:00 > UTC. > > if [ "$time1" == "00:00:00" ] ; then > ? ?bday1=$(date -d "$input_bday1 +12 hours +1 minute" +%s) > else > ? ?bday1=$(date -d "$input_bday1" +%s) > fi > > > if [ "$time2" == "00:00:00" ] ; then > ? ?bday2=$(date -d "$input_bday2 +12 hours +1 minute" +%s) > else > ? ?bday2=$(date -d "$input_bday2" +%s) > fi > > > # Compute the doubling day in seconds: > > let "doubling_day = 2*bday2 - bday1" > > # Generate output: > > echo "Birthday #1 = $(date -d @$bday1 +"%A, %B %d, %Y, %r %Z")" > echo "Birthday #2 = $(date -d @$bday2 +"%A, %B %d, %Y, %r %Z")" > echo "Doubling day = $(date -d @$doubling_day +"%A, %B %d, %Y, %r %Z")" > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Sep 5 01:41:56 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 01:41:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] doubling day -- a geeky thing to celebrate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Sep 2013, Andrew Dahl wrote: > I've thought about that on and off for a while... never realized there > was a name for the day though! :-) I invented the name. If anyone can come up with a better name, I'll go with that. I haven't started my campaign yet to get it into everyday speech. ;-) > Very cool script, also! Thanks. Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Sep 5 02:05:27 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 02:05:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] doubling day -- a geeky thing to celebrate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Sep 2013, gsker wrote: > Yeah sorta fun. > > It's much easier on the brain if you just use the Date and don't get > excited about minutes. I thought time zones were the more annoying problem. > And, unless you know the minutes for the bd and the obd, minutes really > don't matter. > > > #Birthday: > bd="15 Sep 1969" > #Offspring Birthday: > obd="18 Sep 2007" > # convenient alias > alias d='date +%s --date ' > > # twice the obd + bd > date --date @$(( 2* $(d "$obd") - $(d "$bd") )) +%c > > Wed Sep 20 00:00:00 CDT 2045 I like your use of (( )). I tried to do something with that and I couldn't get it to work, so I obviously was doing it wrong. The problem I was having with the simpler approach was that daylight savings was causing me to get some at 23:00 the previous day instead of at 00:00 on the "right" day. For example, change "bd" above to 15 Mar 1969. $ bd="15 Mar 1969" $ date --date @$(( 2* $(d "$obd") - $(d "$bd") )) +%c Thu 22 Mar 2046 11:00:00 PM CDT After awhile I just decided to go all out with the time zones and try to make it work right. I think I figured out the tricks to that. I would like to make a web page some day that allows people to do these kinds of calculations, probably with dropdown menus for time zones and the time of day set to noon by default. I would need to learn how to make that kind of website very secure in case it gets attacked. Mike From stuporglue at gmail.com Thu Sep 5 14:12:03 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:12:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: References: <20130903210239.6e80f3aa@Newton> Message-ID: > Thinking about this, there may well have been wifi outages yesterday, > with all the student population suddenly flooding back into campus on > new iPads, etc... I don't remember seeing system status announcements > about wifi I think this was the real problem. Yesterday and today it worked just fine and I didn't end up needing to change any settings. -- Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Sep 5 14:14:06 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 14:14:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: References: <20130903210239.6e80f3aa@Newton> Message-ID: RFI? I love it. Not just iPads but bodies, cell phones (smart and dumb), computers, appliances? holy cow you'd be amazed how many devices run the the 2.4 and 5.0-6.1 GHz bands. On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Michael Moore wrote: > > Thinking about this, there may well have been wifi outages yesterday, > with all the student population suddenly flooding back into campus on > new iPads, etc... I don't remember seeing system status announcements > about wifi > > I think this was the real problem. Yesterday and today it worked just fine and I didn't end up needing to change any settings. > > -- > Michael > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuporglue at gmail.com Thu Sep 5 22:20:58 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:20:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source genealogy website software I wrote Message-ID: I'm not sure if there are any genealogists on here, but I'd like to toot my own horn for a moment. Over the summer I wrote TreeTrumpet, some Open Source genealogy software. TL:DR: Demo -- http://treetrumpet.com/demo/ , Code -- http://github.com/stuporglue/TreeTrumpet TreeTrumpet is meant to be extremely simple to use and search-engine friendly. There's no database setup and no required config files. To install it you simply upload the code and upload a GEDCOM* file. The site parses the GEDCOM file to create the pages as they're requested. It features a pedigree-tree view, a map of where ancestors lived, a sortable/filterable table of the ancestors and individual pages for each ancestor and family. There's also a contact form, a link to download the GEDCOM file. The site generates a sitemap.xml file and pings Google and Bing when the GEDCOM file is updated. Anyways, if anyone is interested, check it out. I'm open to suggestions, criticisms, complaints, bug reports, bug fixes, etc. Thanks! Michael Moore * GEDCOM is a text-based genealogy database format. It's something like CSV. Like CSV it's not the best format to store most data, but it is the lowest common denominator and almost any genealogy program can export a GEDCOM file. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 10:02:30 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:02:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source genealogy website software I wrote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That sounds really cool and I wish I had more time right not to check it out. I'll have to study the GEDCOM format and concepts. Do you now a good source for info? It looks like Wikipedia has some good stuff. Mike On Thu, 5 Sep 2013, Michael Moore wrote: > I'm not sure if there are any genealogists on here, but I'd like to toot my > own horn for a moment. > > Over the summer I wrote TreeTrumpet, some Open Source genealogy software. > > TL:DR: Demo -- http://treetrumpet.com/demo/ , Code -- > http://github.com/stuporglue/TreeTrumpet > > > TreeTrumpet is meant to be extremely simple to use and search-engine > friendly. There's no database setup and no required config files. > > To install it you simply upload the code and upload a GEDCOM* file. The > site parses the GEDCOM file to create the pages as they're requested. > > It features a pedigree-tree view, a map of where ancestors lived, a > sortable/filterable table of the ancestors and individual pages for each > ancestor and family. There's also a contact form, a link to download the > GEDCOM file. The site generates a sitemap.xml file and pings Google and > Bing when the GEDCOM file is updated. > > Anyways, if anyone is interested, check it out. I'm open to suggestions, > criticisms, complaints, bug reports, bug fixes, etc. > > Thanks! > Michael Moore > > > * GEDCOM is a text-based genealogy database format. It's something like > CSV. Like CSV it's not the best format to store most data, but it is the > lowest common denominator and almost any genealogy program can export a > GEDCOM file. > From stuporglue at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 10:12:38 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:12:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source genealogy website software I wrote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can get a pretty good handle on GEDCOM by reading Wikipedia and looking at a small (5-10 people) GEDCOM file. This page has a simple example: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#S6 Each line is (usually) a tag, and each line starts with a number. The number indicates how deeply nested it is. So if you reach a line starting with a 0 or a number lower than the current line's number you're on a new tag. Fortunately I didn't have to implement a GEDCOM parser or writer. Gramps exports GEDCOM files, and someone had already implemented a GEDCOM parser in PHP (https://github.com/mrkrstphr/php-gedcom). For completeness, here's the GEDCOM spec: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gctoc.htm -- Michael Moore On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > That sounds really cool and I wish I had more time right not to check it > out. I'll have to study the GEDCOM format and concepts. Do you now a good > source for info? It looks like Wikipedia has some good stuff. > > Mike > > > > On Thu, 5 Sep 2013, Michael Moore wrote: > > I'm not sure if there are any genealogists on here, but I'd like to toot >> my >> own horn for a moment. >> >> Over the summer I wrote TreeTrumpet, some Open Source genealogy software. >> >> TL:DR: Demo -- http://treetrumpet.com/demo/ , Code -- >> http://github.com/stuporglue/**TreeTrumpet >> >> >> TreeTrumpet is meant to be extremely simple to use and search-engine >> friendly. There's no database setup and no required config files. >> >> To install it you simply upload the code and upload a GEDCOM* file. The >> site parses the GEDCOM file to create the pages as they're requested. >> >> It features a pedigree-tree view, a map of where ancestors lived, a >> sortable/filterable table of the ancestors and individual pages for each >> ancestor and family. There's also a contact form, a link to download the >> GEDCOM file. The site generates a sitemap.xml file and pings Google and >> Bing when the GEDCOM file is updated. >> >> Anyways, if anyone is interested, check it out. I'm open to suggestions, >> criticisms, complaints, bug reports, bug fixes, etc. >> >> Thanks! >> Michael Moore >> >> >> * GEDCOM is a text-based genealogy database format. It's something like >> CSV. Like CSV it's not the best format to store most data, but it is the >> lowest common denominator and almost any genealogy program can export a >> GEDCOM file. >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Support the digitization of the Iron County Miner newspaper archives Like this project on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/digitizeicm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlunde at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 12:04:21 2013 From: tlunde at gmail.com (Thomas Lunde) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:04:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source genealogy website software I wrote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just in case you're not already familiar with it, GRAMPS is open source, too. I believe that it has a GEDCOM import module. As for me, I'd love to move my mother off of an ancient copy if Family Tree Maker. The sole roadblock is that it prints custom "books" that have consistent pagibation and an index for names across all of the "book. " GRAMPS is almost there, but I would love to hear of any other open source genealogy app that will do this. Although he's since moved, one of the main developers was living in the Twin Cities for many years while at UMN. https://touch.www.linkedin.com/?sessionid=3856487518568448&as=false&rs=false#public-profile/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Falex-roitman%2F15%2F84b%2F922 Thomas On Sep 5, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Michael Moore wrote: > I'm not sure if there are any genealogists on here, but I'd like to toot my own horn for a moment. > > Over the summer I wrote TreeTrumpet, some Open Source genealogy software. > > TL:DR: Demo -- http://treetrumpet.com/demo/ , Code -- http://github.com/stuporglue/TreeTrumpet > > > TreeTrumpet is meant to be extremely simple to use and search-engine friendly. There's no database setup and no required config files. > > To install it you simply upload the code and upload a GEDCOM* file. The site parses the GEDCOM file to create the pages as they're requested. > > It features a pedigree-tree view, a map of where ancestors lived, a sortable/filterable table of the ancestors and individual pages for each ancestor and family. There's also a contact form, a link to download the GEDCOM file. The site generates a sitemap.xml file and pings Google and Bing when the GEDCOM file is updated. > > Anyways, if anyone is interested, check it out. I'm open to suggestions, criticisms, complaints, bug reports, bug fixes, etc. > > Thanks! > Michael Moore > > > * GEDCOM is a text-based genealogy database format. It's something like CSV. Like CSV it's not the best format to store most data, but it is the lowest common denominator and almost any genealogy program can export a GEDCOM file. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuporglue at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 12:09:59 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:09:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source genealogy website software I wrote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Just in case you're not already familiar with it, GRAMPS is open source, > too. > > I believe that it has a GEDCOM import module. > It does, and that's how I got most of my info into GRAMPS in the first place. I started with a GEDCOM file my aunt gave me, imported it into GRAMPS and have been adding to it since then. GEDCOM import and export from GRAMPS works pretty well. -- Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 17:17:37 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 17:17:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] how to change a file while preserving its timestamp Message-ID: I don't know the best way to do this. I wanted to change some files but I wanted to keep the original timestamps. So I did it this way: # get the timestamp TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y FILE)" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") make changes to FILE # change the timestamp back to what it was before the change touch -t $TIME_STRING FILE My use was something like this: for FILE in $(grep -l FOO) ; do TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y "$FILE")" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" touch -t $TIME_STRING "$FILE" done So how do you all do this kind of thing? Mike From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 17:56:55 2013 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 17:56:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] how to change a file while preserving its timestamp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In Python the os module should have something to modify it (one would think so since it can read this fs meta). If not, you could write a script to change the system clock to the original read time stamp of the file, modify the file, than change the clock back- would do the job of maintaining the modified attribute. Heh, probably not easier, but the best my work wired mind could come up with on a Friday :-) -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > I don't know the best way to do this. I wanted to change some files but I > wanted to keep the original timestamps. So I did it this way: > > # get the timestamp > TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y FILE)" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") > > make changes to FILE > > # change the timestamp back to what it was before the change > touch -t $TIME_STRING FILE > > > My use was something like this: > > for FILE in $(grep -l FOO) ; do > TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y "$FILE")" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") > perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" > touch -t $TIME_STRING "$FILE" > done > > > So how do you all do this kind of thing? > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 21:59:23 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 21:59:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] how to change a file while preserving its timestamp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Changing the system clock is a very bad idea, but I guess you figured that out and sent the message anyway. This means that you need a beer. I think the method I came up with is OK, but if there were a way to tell perl not to change the timestamp when the -i option is used, that would be better. I guess this is telling me, but I don't understand it: http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t890336-preserve-timestamp.html which leads me here: http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/utime.html And I don't knoww what to do with that, so I might just stick to what I did last time. ;-) Mike On Fri, 6 Sep 2013, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > In Python the os module should have something to modify it (one would > think so since it can read this fs meta). If not, you could write a > script to change the system clock to the original read time stamp of > the file, modify the file, than change the clock back- would do the > job of maintaining the modified attribute. Heh, probably not easier, > but the best my work wired mind could come up with on a Friday :-) > -- > Jeremy MountainJohnson > Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com > > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> I don't know the best way to do this. I wanted to change some files but I >> wanted to keep the original timestamps. So I did it this way: >> >> # get the timestamp >> TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y FILE)" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") >> >> make changes to FILE >> >> # change the timestamp back to what it was before the change >> touch -t $TIME_STRING FILE >> >> >> My use was something like this: >> >> for FILE in $(grep -l FOO) ; do >> TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y "$FILE")" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") >> perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" >> touch -t $TIME_STRING "$FILE" >> done >> >> >> So how do you all do this kind of thing? >> >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mkorangestripe at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 00:50:12 2013 From: mkorangestripe at gmail.com (Gavin Purcell) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 00:50:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] how to change a file while preserving its timestamp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is slightly more concise, but it seems to drop second fractions. Something else to consider is the Access time. Hopefully this is helpful. EPOCH_MTIME=$(stat -c %Y $FILE) perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" touch -d @$EPOCH_MTIME $FILE Access: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 Modify: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 Change: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 Access: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.000000000 -0500 Modify: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.000000000 -0500 Change: 2013-09-09 00:39:02.306271692 -0500 -Gavin On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > Changing the system clock is a very bad idea, but I guess you figured that > out and sent the message anyway. This means that you need a beer. > > I think the method I came up with is OK, but if there were a way to tell > perl not to change the timestamp when the -i option is used, that would be > better. I guess this is telling me, but I don't understand it: > > http://www.velocityreviews.**com/forums/t890336-preserve-**timestamp.html > > which leads me here: > > http://perldoc.perl.org/**functions/utime.html > > And I don't knoww what to do with that, so I might just stick to what I > did last time. ;-) > > Mike > > > > On Fri, 6 Sep 2013, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > > In Python the os module should have something to modify it (one would >> think so since it can read this fs meta). If not, you could write a >> script to change the system clock to the original read time stamp of >> the file, modify the file, than change the clock back- would do the >> job of maintaining the modified attribute. Heh, probably not easier, >> but the best my work wired mind could come up with on a Friday :-) >> -- >> Jeremy MountainJohnson >> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.**com >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> >>> I don't know the best way to do this. I wanted to change some files but >>> I >>> wanted to keep the original timestamps. So I did it this way: >>> >>> # get the timestamp >>> TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y FILE)" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") >>> >>> make changes to FILE >>> >>> # change the timestamp back to what it was before the change >>> touch -t $TIME_STRING FILE >>> >>> >>> My use was something like this: >>> >>> for FILE in $(grep -l FOO) ; do >>> TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y "$FILE")" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") >>> perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" >>> touch -t $TIME_STRING "$FILE" >>> done >>> >>> >>> So how do you all do this kind of thing? >>> >>> Mike >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 22:16:24 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:16:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] how to change a file while preserving its timestamp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes!! Thanks. That is much better. I was trying to figure out something like that, something simpler, but I didn't spend enough time on the docs for "touch" -- that was the key. I was looking to much at other things like stat. Now I see that the epoch %s time isn't needed because this works just as well: MTIME=$(stat -c %y "$FILE") perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" touch -d "$MTIME" "$FILE" Best of all, touch has a -r option that can be used in this kind of case. Consider this example: perl -pi.bak -e 's/FOO/BAR/' *.txt for FILE in $(ls -1 *.txt) ; do touch -r "${FILE}.bak" "$FILE" ; done rm *.txt.bak Mike On Mon, 9 Sep 2013, Gavin Purcell wrote: > This is slightly more concise, but it seems to drop second fractions. > Something else to consider is the Access time. Hopefully this is helpful. > > > EPOCH_MTIME=$(stat -c %Y $FILE) > perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" > touch -d @$EPOCH_MTIME $FILE > > > Access: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 > Modify: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 > Change: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 > > Access: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.000000000 -0500 > Modify: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.000000000 -0500 > Change: 2013-09-09 00:39:02.306271692 -0500 > > > -Gavin > > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> Changing the system clock is a very bad idea, but I guess you figured that >> out and sent the message anyway. This means that you need a beer. >> >> I think the method I came up with is OK, but if there were a way to tell >> perl not to change the timestamp when the -i option is used, that would be >> better. I guess this is telling me, but I don't understand it: >> >> http://www.velocityreviews.**com/forums/t890336-preserve-**timestamp.html >> >> which leads me here: >> >> http://perldoc.perl.org/**functions/utime.html >> >> And I don't knoww what to do with that, so I might just stick to what I >> did last time. ;-) >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> On Fri, 6 Sep 2013, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: >> >> In Python the os module should have something to modify it (one would >>> think so since it can read this fs meta). If not, you could write a >>> script to change the system clock to the original read time stamp of >>> the file, modify the file, than change the clock back- would do the >>> job of maintaining the modified attribute. Heh, probably not easier, >>> but the best my work wired mind could come up with on a Friday :-) >>> -- >>> Jeremy MountainJohnson >>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.**com >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >>> >>>> I don't know the best way to do this. I wanted to change some files but >>>> I >>>> wanted to keep the original timestamps. So I did it this way: >>>> >>>> # get the timestamp >>>> TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y FILE)" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") >>>> >>>> make changes to FILE >>>> >>>> # change the timestamp back to what it was before the change >>>> touch -t $TIME_STRING FILE >>>> >>>> >>>> My use was something like this: >>>> >>>> for FILE in $(grep -l FOO) ; do >>>> TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y "$FILE")" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") >>>> perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" >>>> touch -t $TIME_STRING "$FILE" >>>> done >>>> >>>> >>>> So how do you all do this kind of thing? >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > From kris.browne at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 22:48:00 2013 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kris Browne) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:48:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email Crypto options vs NSA Message-ID: So, I'm looking at my options for trying to get family and friends using some kind of email encryption among each other? Not that we have anything to hide, but on basic principle that more encrypted traffic makes it harder to pick out the whistleblower or dissident emails traversing the web. Does anyone have any thoughts on the relative safety of S/Mime vs GPG for email, especially in the light of recent news about NSA activity and their "infiltration" of standards groups? Kris Browne kris.browne at gmail.com 612-353-6969 612-408-4431 http://www.google.com/profiles/kris.browne "the least expensive, most bug-free line of code is the one you didn't have to write." - Steve Jobs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkorangestripe at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 23:28:08 2013 From: mkorangestripe at gmail.com (Gavin Purcell) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 23:28:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] how to change a file while preserving its timestamp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, that's even better. Also your for-loop works without the Command Substitution: for FILE in *.txt; do touch -r list $FILE; done -Gavin On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > Yes!! Thanks. That is much better. I was trying to figure out something > like that, something simpler, but I didn't spend enough time on the docs > for "touch" -- that was the key. I was looking to much at other things > like stat. > > Now I see that the epoch %s time isn't needed because this works just as > well: > > MTIME=$(stat -c %y "$FILE") > > perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" > touch -d "$MTIME" "$FILE" > > Best of all, touch has a -r option that can be used in this kind of case. > Consider this example: > > perl -pi.bak -e 's/FOO/BAR/' *.txt > > for FILE in $(ls -1 *.txt) ; do touch -r "${FILE}.bak" "$FILE" ; done > > rm *.txt.bak > > Mike > > > > On Mon, 9 Sep 2013, Gavin Purcell wrote: > > This is slightly more concise, but it seems to drop second fractions. >> Something else to consider is the Access time. Hopefully this is helpful. >> >> >> EPOCH_MTIME=$(stat -c %Y $FILE) >> perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" >> touch -d @$EPOCH_MTIME $FILE >> >> >> Access: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 >> Modify: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 >> Change: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 >> >> Access: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.000000000 -0500 >> Modify: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.000000000 -0500 >> Change: 2013-09-09 00:39:02.306271692 -0500 >> >> >> -Gavin >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> >> Changing the system clock is a very bad idea, but I guess you figured >>> that >>> out and sent the message anyway. This means that you need a beer. >>> >>> I think the method I came up with is OK, but if there were a way to tell >>> perl not to change the timestamp when the -i option is used, that would >>> be >>> better. I guess this is telling me, but I don't understand it: >>> >>> http://www.velocityreviews.****com/forums/t890336-preserve-**** >>> timestamp.html>> t890336-preserve-timestamp.**html >>> > >>> >>> which leads me here: >>> >>> http://perldoc.perl.org/****functions/utime.html >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> And I don't knoww what to do with that, so I might just stick to what I >>> did last time. ;-) >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2013, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: >>> >>> In Python the os module should have something to modify it (one would >>> >>>> think so since it can read this fs meta). If not, you could write a >>>> script to change the system clock to the original read time stamp of >>>> the file, modify the file, than change the clock back- would do the >>>> job of maintaining the modified attribute. Heh, probably not easier, >>>> but the best my work wired mind could come up with on a Friday :-) >>>> -- >>>> Jeremy MountainJohnson >>>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.****com >>> com > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Mike Miller >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't know the best way to do this. I wanted to change some files >>>>> but >>>>> I >>>>> wanted to keep the original timestamps. So I did it this way: >>>>> >>>>> # get the timestamp >>>>> TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y FILE)" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") >>>>> >>>>> make changes to FILE >>>>> >>>>> # change the timestamp back to what it was before the change >>>>> touch -t $TIME_STRING FILE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My use was something like this: >>>>> >>>>> for FILE in $(grep -l FOO) ; do >>>>> TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y "$FILE")" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") >>>>> perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" >>>>> touch -t $TIME_STRING "$FILE" >>>>> done >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So how do you all do this kind of thing? >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/****mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/****mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/****mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> > >>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkorangestripe at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 23:38:03 2013 From: mkorangestripe at gmail.com (Gavin Purcell) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 23:38:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] how to change a file while preserving its timestamp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: for FILE in *.txt; do touch -r $FILE.bak $FILE; done On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Gavin Purcell wrote: > Mike, that's even better. Also your for-loop works without the Command > Substitution: > for FILE in *.txt; do touch -r list $FILE; done > > -Gavin > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> Yes!! Thanks. That is much better. I was trying to figure out >> something like that, something simpler, but I didn't spend enough time on >> the docs for "touch" -- that was the key. I was looking to much at other >> things like stat. >> >> Now I see that the epoch %s time isn't needed because this works just as >> well: >> >> MTIME=$(stat -c %y "$FILE") >> >> perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" >> touch -d "$MTIME" "$FILE" >> >> Best of all, touch has a -r option that can be used in this kind of case. >> Consider this example: >> >> perl -pi.bak -e 's/FOO/BAR/' *.txt >> >> for FILE in $(ls -1 *.txt) ; do touch -r "${FILE}.bak" "$FILE" ; done >> >> rm *.txt.bak >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> On Mon, 9 Sep 2013, Gavin Purcell wrote: >> >> This is slightly more concise, but it seems to drop second fractions. >>> Something else to consider is the Access time. Hopefully this is >>> helpful. >>> >>> >>> EPOCH_MTIME=$(stat -c %Y $FILE) >>> perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" >>> touch -d @$EPOCH_MTIME $FILE >>> >>> >>> Access: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 >>> Modify: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 >>> Change: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.155170463 -0500 >>> >>> Access: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.000000000 -0500 >>> Modify: 2013-09-08 23:48:25.000000000 -0500 >>> Change: 2013-09-09 00:39:02.306271692 -0500 >>> >>> >>> -Gavin >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Mike Miller >>> wrote: >>> >>> Changing the system clock is a very bad idea, but I guess you figured >>>> that >>>> out and sent the message anyway. This means that you need a beer. >>>> >>>> I think the method I came up with is OK, but if there were a way to tell >>>> perl not to change the timestamp when the -i option is used, that would >>>> be >>>> better. I guess this is telling me, but I don't understand it: >>>> >>>> http://www.velocityreviews.****com/forums/t890336-preserve-**** >>>> timestamp.html>>> t890336-preserve-timestamp.**html >>>> > >>>> >>>> which leads me here: >>>> >>>> http://perldoc.perl.org/****functions/utime.html >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> And I don't knoww what to do with that, so I might just stick to what I >>>> did last time. ;-) >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 6 Sep 2013, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: >>>> >>>> In Python the os module should have something to modify it (one would >>>> >>>>> think so since it can read this fs meta). If not, you could write a >>>>> script to change the system clock to the original read time stamp of >>>>> the file, modify the file, than change the clock back- would do the >>>>> job of maintaining the modified attribute. Heh, probably not easier, >>>>> but the best my work wired mind could come up with on a Friday :-) >>>>> -- >>>>> Jeremy MountainJohnson >>>>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.****com >>>> com > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Mike Miller >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don't know the best way to do this. I wanted to change some files >>>>>> but >>>>>> I >>>>>> wanted to keep the original timestamps. So I did it this way: >>>>>> >>>>>> # get the timestamp >>>>>> TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y FILE)" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") >>>>>> >>>>>> make changes to FILE >>>>>> >>>>>> # change the timestamp back to what it was before the change >>>>>> touch -t $TIME_STRING FILE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My use was something like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> for FILE in $(grep -l FOO) ; do >>>>>> TIME_STRING=$(date -d "$(stat -c %y "$FILE")" +"%Y%m%d%H%M.%S") >>>>>> perl -pi -e 's/FOO/BAR/' "$FILE" >>>>>> touch -t $TIME_STRING "$FILE" >>>>>> done >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So how do you all do this kind of thing? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/****mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/****mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/****mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's no question that PGP/GPG is preferable over S/Mime because of this On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:38 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > On 9/9/2013 10:48 PM, Kris Browne wrote:: > > Does anyone have any thoughts on the relative safety of S/Mime vs GPG >> for email, especially in the light of recent news about NSA activity and >> their "infiltration" of standards groups? >> > > http://www.upi.com/Top_News/**US/2013/09/06/Documents-show-** > NSA-can-crack-most-Web-**privacy-encryption/UPI-** > 60871378450800/?spt=hs&or=tn > > I saw this yesterday. > > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Michael Greenly http://logic-refinery.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 11 09:28:59 2013 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:28:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email Crypto options vs NSA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Michael Greenly wrote: > > S/Mime uses a centralized certificate authority. PGP/GPG is decentralized. There's no question that PGP/GPG is preferable over S/Mime because of this > > S/MIME and GPG/GPG use the same crypto. So from the standpoint of protecting the message content, they will be identical. Using a CA does not provide the private key to the authority. Thus, having access to the CA does not allow you to decrypt things from certificates it signs- it only permits you to generate another certificate that would be trusted the same way, making a future man-in-the-middle attack possible. But it wont help you on any existing/past messages, and it wont do any good if the two parties in the exchange continue to use the keys they already had. Jay From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 09:56:46 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:56:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Email Crypto options vs NSA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013, Jay Kline wrote: > On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Michael Greenly wrote: > >> S/Mime uses a centralized certificate authority. PGP/GPG is >> decentralized. There's no question that PGP/GPG is preferable over >> S/Mime because of this > > S/MIME and GPG/GPG use the same crypto. What do they use? Is it very strong? Mike From jay at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 11 11:01:01 2013 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:01:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email Crypto options vs NSA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2013, Jay Kline wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Michael Greenly >> wrote: >> >>> S/Mime uses a centralized certificate authority. PGP/GPG is >>> decentralized. There's no question that PGP/GPG is preferable over S/Mime >>> because of this >> >> >> S/MIME and GPG/GPG use the same crypto. > > > What do they use? Is it very strong? > They both (generally) support RSA for the public/private keypairs (varying sizes are supported), which will be used for digital signatures and block cipher key wrapping. For the block cyphers, 3DES and AES are common. Both S/MIME and GPG support more algorithms (you would need to go look ad the documentation for specific software versions to see what is supported). What I was getting at, though, was the crypto-security of the two are based more on which algorithms and keys you choose than S/MIME vs GPG itself. I would think more about how you perceive trust between end users of the system and how that fits your needs. S/MIME will be more centralized, and can be good when you have a trusted issuer you can take advantage of. A corporate entity is a good example- a CA for the company means any employee can trust the credentials of another employee issued by that CA. S/MIME is also good if you already have an existing SSL-based infrastructure in place, you can use it without adding many new parts. GPG is decentralized forming a "web of trust", and is better when you have ad-hoc communications or dont trust a central authority (like Comodo CAs, for example). Interestingly, GPG actually supports the S/MIME format, showing how interchangeable the systems can be. Are they strong? As long as you avoid known bad ciphers (3DES is fairly weak by todays standards) and sufficient key sizes (RSA should be 2048bit and AES 256bit) they are "strong" . Strong enough to stop the NSA? I wont venture a guess on that- plenty of speculation in the news lately about it. The NSA maintains two "suites" of algorithms, Suite A and Suite B. Suite A is classified, so we dont really know what is there. Suite B is publicly released, and is the reference for US Gov't agencies and partners for encrypting various kinds of data. Sticking with Suite B algorithms is a pretty safe bet that even if the NSA *can* break them, it takes considerable effort to do so, and generally there are no other groups capable of breaking them. Jay From mgreenly at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 11:31:41 2013 From: mgreenly at gmail.com (Michael Greenly) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:31:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email Crypto options vs NSA Message-ID: My statement was specifically related to the recent revelations around the NSAs focus on third parties not to the strengths of the encryption which I agree are essentially identical. As long as you trust the central authority (you self sign certificates for example) there's no reason to think S/Mime is less secure. But if you're going to do that though you may as well stick with GPG it's designed to be used without a central authority. I stand by my original statement. if you're goal is to prevent the NSA from reading your email. Using any protocol that puts trust in a third party certificate authority is a horrible mistake. They may not be compromised but it's certainly possible given recent revelations. The only reasonable option is to avoid them. I stand by my original statement. GPG is preferable. On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jay Kline wrote: > On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Michael Greenly > wrote: > > > > S/Mime uses a centralized certificate authority. PGP/GPG is > decentralized. There's no question that PGP/GPG is preferable over S/Mime > because of this > > > > > > S/MIME and GPG/GPG use the same crypto. So from the standpoint of > protecting the message content, they will be identical. Using a CA > does not provide the private key to the authority. Thus, having > access to the CA does not allow you to decrypt things from > certificates it signs- it only permits you to generate another > certificate that would be trusted the same way, making a future > man-in-the-middle attack possible. But it wont help you on any > existing/past messages, and it wont do any good if the two parties in > the exchange continue to use the keys they already had. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Michael Greenly http://logic-refinery.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 11:53:34 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:53:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Email Crypto options vs NSA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013, Jay Kline wrote: > Are they strong? As long as you avoid known bad ciphers (3DES is fairly > weak by todays standards) and sufficient key sizes (RSA should be > 2048bit and AES 256bit) they are "strong" . Strong enough to stop the > NSA? I wont venture a guess on that- plenty of speculation in the news > lately about it. > > The NSA maintains two "suites" of algorithms, Suite A and Suite B. Suite > A is classified, so we dont really know what is there. Suite B is > publicly released, and is the reference for US Gov't agencies and > partners for encrypting various kinds of data. Sticking with Suite B > algorithms is a pretty safe bet that even if the NSA *can* break them, > it takes considerable effort to do so, and generally there are no other > groups capable of breaking them. We know that no one, no matter how much computer power they have, can break a 256-bit key by brute force. I don't know if there is a proof that there is no mathematical trick to make it easier. NSA has huge computing power for cracking, but some jobs are beyond anything we are likely to see in my lifetime. I am very concerned that our government, or some group working within our government, has taken a really bad turn, or maybe we're just finding out about it. It's just that I think that the top Islamic terrorists (isn't al Qaeda supposed to be our biggest fear) have really smart computer people working for them and they would always have used strong encryption. So the NSA efforts seem to me to be more about snooping on everything and not about predicting al Qaeda attacks. Domestic terrorists are probably pretty stupid about this stuff, so I suppose they can track them better because of their decryption efforts. Mike From pj.world at hotmail.com Wed Sep 11 21:18:03 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:18:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Computer items - Any offers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello John I am wondering if anything there may have a pci express graphics card with hdmi ability. Also I would love to pick up 2 sticks of ddr1 sdram 333 or 400 mhz. Please let me know if there is an ability to but a core2 duo computer with the case. I will pay you. Thank you. Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:20:19 -0500 From: john.meier at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Computer items - Any offers? I'm doing a life cleaning. I have a bunch of computer related items that need a good home. I wouldn't mind some cash - but far too lazy to figure prices. I'll take offers on any of the stuff pictured here: https://plus.google.com/101201110219401119866/posts/YGzK4yyaLc8 $0 is also an offer ;) ThanksJohn P.S. There's more to come - mostly stereo/directv stuff. I do have a touch screen "juke box" based on XP around here somewhere and there should be a box of hard drives/cdrom drives and floppy drives laying around - more pix/posting coming soon. P.S.SI'm in Bloomington near the 494 and the 169 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Sep 12 10:35:40 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:35:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a network HUB Message-ID: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> A fool's errand - I had two at my last job but a) they belonged to my employer and 2) they were rack-mount. I need a network hub? or a few, if possible. MicroCenter didn't have it - that doesn't surprise me. But Tiger Direct, NewEgg and Amazon don't, either. So do any of you know of a place online I can get them? I need about a half-dozen. I would prefer online so I can have the company pay for them and not deal with cash and hand-written receipts. Thanks!! From joel.longanecker at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 10:40:19 2013 From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:40:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a network HUB In-Reply-To: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> References: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> Message-ID: Do you mean a switch? Or a router? Hubs are obsolete. On Sep 12, 2013 10:36 AM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: > A fool's errand - I had two at my last job but a) they belonged to my > employer and 2) they were rack-mount. > > I need a network hub? or a few, if possible. > > MicroCenter didn't have it - that doesn't surprise me. But Tiger Direct, > NewEgg and Amazon don't, either. > > So do any of you know of a place online I can get them? I need about a > half-dozen. I would prefer online so I can have the company pay for them > and not deal with cash and hand-written receipts. > > Thanks!! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Sep 12 10:42:24 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:42:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a network HUB In-Reply-To: References: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> Message-ID: Hubs are not obsolete when you're working in a technical environment troubleshooting data communications. Yes, I mean a hub. I have switches, I have routers, I have firewalls, I have repeaters (both active and passive power), I have buttsets, clam phones, tracers and cable checkers. I do not have any hubs. I need a hub. Six, in fact, but I will settle for just one for right now. -- Ryan On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Joel Longanecker wrote: > Do you mean a switch? Or a router? Hubs are obsolete. > > On Sep 12, 2013 10:36 AM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: > A fool's errand - I had two at my last job but a) they belonged to my employer and 2) they were rack-mount. > > I need a network hub? or a few, if possible. > > MicroCenter didn't have it - that doesn't surprise me. But Tiger Direct, NewEgg and Amazon don't, either. > > So do any of you know of a place online I can get them? I need about a half-dozen. I would prefer online so I can have the company pay for them and not deal with cash and hand-written receipts. > > Thanks!! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at jfoo.org Thu Sep 12 10:42:47 2013 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:42:47 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a network HUB In-Reply-To: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> References: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> Message-ID: <5231E0F7.9070303@jfoo.org> Hello Ryan, You mean a hub, and not a switch, correct? I'm assuming this is to make it possible to sniff network traffic from devices where you can't use wireshark or tcpdump, right? I was looking for a hub about 10 years ago, and they were difficult to find then. I'd imagine they are almost impossible to find now. You'll have better luck sticking a linux router in the middle and using that to sniff traffic. John On 9/12/13 11:35 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > A fool's errand - I had two at my last job but a) they belonged to my employer and 2) they were rack-mount. > > I need a network hub? or a few, if possible. > > MicroCenter didn't have it - that doesn't surprise me. But Tiger Direct, NewEgg and Amazon don't, either. > > So do any of you know of a place online I can get them? I need about a half-dozen. I would prefer online so I can have the company pay for them and not deal with cash and hand-written receipts. > > Thanks!! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Sep 12 10:47:21 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:47:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a network HUB In-Reply-To: <5231E0F7.9070303@jfoo.org> References: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> <5231E0F7.9070303@jfoo.org> Message-ID: You'd be surprised what a Fortune 500 company will do to you if they found out you've put something intelligent on their network. We have to get approval at sites to use hubs - I will fire any employee that does not have approval in writing from the person who manages the closet they work in. I've been in the industry for close to 15 years now and I used to throw away hubs when I found them - now I wish I didn't. Yes, your assumption is correct. The device that need to be monitored are appliances that report life safety equipment to a monitoring station (fire, burg, etc.) and are not something we can install or use with other software on our end. On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:42 AM, John Gateley wrote: > Hello Ryan, > > You mean a hub, and not a switch, correct? > > I'm assuming this is to make it possible to sniff network traffic from devices where you can't use wireshark or tcpdump, right? > > I was looking for a hub about 10 years ago, and they were difficult to find then. I'd imagine they are almost impossible to find now. > > You'll have better luck sticking a linux router in the middle and using that to sniff traffic. > > John > > On 9/12/13 11:35 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> A fool's errand - I had two at my last job but a) they belonged to my employer and 2) they were rack-mount. >> >> I need a network hub? or a few, if possible. >> >> MicroCenter didn't have it - that doesn't surprise me. But Tiger Direct, NewEgg and Amazon don't, either. >> >> So do any of you know of a place online I can get them? I need about a half-dozen. I would prefer online so I can have the company pay for them and not deal with cash and hand-written receipts. >> >> Thanks!! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Sep 12 10:57:02 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:57:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a network HUB In-Reply-To: References: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> Message-ID: <13E2D4B9-A915-46D1-BF60-B6D7E8E2205C@me.com> Huzzah! Yes. Thanks, Kathryn! On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Kathryn Hogg wrote: > On 2013-09-12 10:35, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> A fool's errand - I had two at my last job but a) they belonged to my >> employer and 2) they were rack-mount. >> I need a network hub? or a few, if possible. >> MicroCenter didn't have it - that doesn't surprise me. But Tiger >> Direct, NewEgg and Amazon don't, either. >> So do any of you know of a place online I can get them? I need about a >> half-dozen. I would prefer online so I can have the company pay for >> them and not deal with cash and hand-written receipts. > > Is this the type of hub you are looking for? > http://www.amazon.com/Netgear-EN104TP-4-Port-Ethernet-Uplink/dp/B00000J4M9/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1379001277&sr=8-12&keywords=ethernet+hub > > -- > Kathryn Hogg > http://womensfooty.com From kjh at flyballdogs.com Thu Sep 12 10:56:05 2013 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:56:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a network HUB In-Reply-To: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> References: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> Message-ID: On 2013-09-12 10:35, Ryan Coleman wrote: > A fool's errand - I had two at my last job but a) they belonged to my > employer and 2) they were rack-mount. > > I need a network hub? or a few, if possible. > > MicroCenter didn't have it - that doesn't surprise me. But Tiger > Direct, NewEgg and Amazon don't, either. > > So do any of you know of a place online I can get them? I need about a > half-dozen. I would prefer online so I can have the company pay for > them and not deal with cash and hand-written receipts. Is this the type of hub you are looking for? http://www.amazon.com/Netgear-EN104TP-4-Port-Ethernet-Uplink/dp/B00000J4M9/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1379001277&sr=8-12&keywords=ethernet+hub -- Kathryn Hogg http://womensfooty.com From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 11:11:54 2013 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:11:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Subject: Re: Email Crypto options vs NSA Message-ID: > I am very concerned that our government, or some group working within our > government, has taken a really bad turn, or maybe we're just finding out > about it. It's just that I think that the top Islamic terrorists (isn't Things are messed up. One piece of advice is to start a company in your spare time. It isn't a panacea, but it might be helpful. Feds and a lot of big companies are fools. I think Obama care has over 10,500 pages of regulations and that's more than 8 times the Bible. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jasonwright365 at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 11:41:49 2013 From: jasonwright365 at gmail.com (Jason Wright) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:41:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a network HUB In-Reply-To: <13E2D4B9-A915-46D1-BF60-B6D7E8E2205C@me.com> References: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> <13E2D4B9-A915-46D1-BF60-B6D7E8E2205C@me.com> Message-ID: I prefer to use an ethernet bridge with bridge-utils or brctl. This way you can just use a regular linux box, plug 2 (or more) ethernet cables into the box, setup bridge mode, tcpdump, etc. Devices on either end can communicate just fine, and you can easily debug what's in the middle! http://trafficserver.apache.org/docs/trunk/admin/transparent-proxy/bridge.en.html Not quite as easy as a hub, but can use faster connection speeds & it's more fun :) -Jason On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Huzzah! > > Yes. > > Thanks, Kathryn! > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Kathryn Hogg wrote: > > > On 2013-09-12 10:35, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> A fool's errand - I had two at my last job but a) they belonged to my > >> employer and 2) they were rack-mount. > >> I need a network hub? or a few, if possible. > >> MicroCenter didn't have it - that doesn't surprise me. But Tiger > >> Direct, NewEgg and Amazon don't, either. > >> So do any of you know of a place online I can get them? I need about a > >> half-dozen. I would prefer online so I can have the company pay for > >> them and not deal with cash and hand-written receipts. > > > > Is this the type of hub you are looking for? > > > http://www.amazon.com/Netgear-EN104TP-4-Port-Ethernet-Uplink/dp/B00000J4M9/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1379001277&sr=8-12&keywords=ethernet+hub > > > > -- > > Kathryn Hogg > > http://womensfooty.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Sep 12 12:12:05 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 12:12:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a network HUB In-Reply-To: References: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> Message-ID: <58D30720-3994-4270-9086-30870DC7773F@me.com> Sure? I think your post said you were near 169 and 494? I might be able to pick it up Saturday morning (8am or so) or Sunday evening. Otherwise reply off-list and I can give you an address nearby (sibling's) where it could be dropped off at and I'll get it on Saturday. I would love to take it off your hands and give you a little cabbage for it tonight or tomorrow but my night job started gearing up this past weekend and most f my evenings are locked up for the next two months. Thanks! On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:09 PM, John Meier wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > A fool's errand - I had two at my last job but a) they belonged to my employer and 2) they were rack-mount. > > I need a network hub? or a few, if possible. > > I have one of these in the piles of computer crap I'm chucking. it's yours now if you want it. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 11:43:51 2013 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:43:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a network HUB In-Reply-To: <58D30720-3994-4270-9086-30870DC7773F@me.com> References: <895FCDEE-7365-4DC6-BA88-2B62D423D426@me.com> <58D30720-3994-4270-9086-30870DC7773F@me.com> Message-ID: Possibly dumb question...buy why not configure a mirror port on your switch(es) to dump all traffic for specific switch ports the port your packet sniffer is on? A good managed switch is able to do this, though terminology varies from vendor to vendor. Need to justify good managed switches? Demonstrate that a user can plug a network cable into two live network jacks and take down the network. ;-) -- Andrew Zbikowski http://andy.zibnet.us/ Bah-weep-Graaaaagnah wheep mini bon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From marc at e-skinner.net Sat Sep 14 11:04:20 2013 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:04:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] LINUX hardware for sale Message-ID: <52348904.6030103@e-skinner.net> I have the following components for sale - all ran LINUX :) ----------- Quantity 12 OCZ Gold 2GB DDR3 1600 modules http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227365 Looking for $10 a module or $120 for all of them. ----------- Quantity 1 - ECS MB, AMD 64X2 4000+ /w stock AMD fan, 4GB DDR2 Patriot G Series RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135067 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220481 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103774 Looking for $40 for it. 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Never been overclocked, ran as a ISCSI server with no issues. ----------- Quantity 2 - Gigabyte GeForce GT 610 1gb video cards ** LOW PROFILE ** http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125428 Looking for $30 a piece - never been overclocked, ran in my kids computers for internet games and minecraft. ----------- Quantity 2 - MSI Radeon HD5450 1gb video cards http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127557 Looking for $15 a piece - never been overclocked, ran in my kids computers for internet games and minecraft. ** FANS are a bit sticky ** ---------- Quantity 4 - Seagate Barracuda 80Gb SATA disk http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148019R Looking for $15 for all of them ** 1 drive might be bad ** ---------- Quantity 4 - Quantum Fireball 60Gb PATA disk http://www.geeks.com/largePic_all.asp?invtid=QMP80000AS-R&pic=QMP80000AS-R-unit.jpg Looking for $10 for all of them ---------- Quantity 4 -Maxtor 250Gb SATA http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822144327 Looking for $65 for all of them From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Sep 15 13:17:42 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:17:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] history customization Message-ID: When I started writing this message, it had this subject... "history -a" not working with custom $HISTFILE ...and I did not have a good solution to the problem, but it seems that I have one now. I think the problem was a bug in Bash that may have been fixed some years ago, but on some systems (that I don't manage), I'm still using an old Bash, for example: GNU bash, version 3.2.25(1)-release (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. I think some of you will be interested in my results, especially the section below labeled "WHAT I'M DOING NOW". I want my Bash history to be saved continually to $HISTFILE. This page seems to give fairly standard advice: http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/better-bash-history/ I usually have a few shells open at once working on various jobs, so to avoid interleaving the command histories, I define $HISTFILE in my .bashrc so that the filename depends on the tty: export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history$(tty | sed 's|/|_|g') That works to make the desired $HISTFILE. Example: $ tty /dev/pts/9 $ echo $HISTFILE /home/mbmiller/.bash_history_dev_pts_9 However, the $PROMPT_COMMAND, which is specified in the .bashrc file in the following ways (I tried it both ways)... export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' export PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a;$PROMPT_COMMAND" ...is not working. It should add every new command to the $HISTFILE immediately after it is executed. Strangely, the failure of $PROMPT_COMMAND is no surprise given that neither of these commands add a line to $HISTFILE: $ history -a $ history -a $HISTFILE It turns out that this does not work when $HISTFILE is empty. I guess that's a bash bug. I found this info: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-bash/2008-05/msg00045.html WHAT I'M DOING NOW I have the lines below in my ~/.bashrc file. The if/then statement deals with the bash bug in a good way by creating a single cd command with a date stamp 1 second into the epoch (so 12/31/1969 in our time zone). That creates one history line and everything works after that. One thing I'm likely to change: Instead of using "echo" to write initial history commands, I'll probably make a file with a list of commands I'll likely want to use and call that ~/.bash_history_init, then do this instead of what is below: if [ ! -s $HISTFILE ] ; then cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE ; fi # append to the history file, don't overwrite it shopt -s histappend # add the tty to the name of the history file export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history$(tty | sed 's|/|_|g') if [ ! -s $HISTFILE ] ; then echo -e "#1\ncd" >> $HISTFILE ; chmod 600 $HISTFILE ; fi # immediately write every new command to the history file export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' # don't put duplicate lines in the history nor lines beginning with a space export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth # For setting history length see HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE in bash(1) # Save 10,000 lines of history but 100,000 lines in the history file: export HISTSIZE=10000 export HISTFILESIZE=100000 # commands to ignore and not add to history HISTIGNORE='ls:laf:laf | less:jobs:bg:fg:history | less' # set time format for history file display # in saved file, it uses seconds since 1/1/1970, but those can be converted # for viewing using this command (where 1234567890 is the date in seconds): # date +"%F %T" -d @1234567890 or by using the "history" command. The %t # adds a tab character so that history | cut -f2- pumps out a simple list # of commands with no date stamp export HISTTIMEFORMAT="%F %T%t" From harrison.d.lawrence at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 15:34:48 2013 From: harrison.d.lawrence at gmail.com (Harrison Lawrence) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:34:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Flash Player for Slack14 Message-ID: Has anybody been able to get Adobe Flash 11.x to work on Slackware 14.0? I've been trying, and can't seem to be able to install it. In Him, H D Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 20:59:18 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?Qm9iIERlIE1hcnM=?=) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:59:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] =?utf-8?q?Flash_Player_for_Slack14?= Message-ID: <5237b777.e770b60a.75f3.fffffac6@mx.google.com> There is a SlackBuild for FLASH at SlackBuilds.org. works great. Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Harrison Lawrence" To: Subject: [tclug-list] Flash Player for Slack14 Date: Mon, Sep 16, 2013 15:34 Has anybody been able to get Adobe Flash 11.x to work on Slackware 14.0? I've been trying, and can't seem to be able to install it. In Him, H D Lawrence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harrison.d.lawrence at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 15:06:31 2013 From: harrison.d.lawrence at gmail.com (Harrison Lawrence) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:06:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Flash Player for Slack14 In-Reply-To: <5237b777.e770b60a.75f3.fffffac6@mx.google.com> References: <5237b777.e770b60a.75f3.fffffac6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: thanks! In Him, H D Lawrence Harrison.D.Lawrence at gmail.com 2015Lawrh65 at moundsviewschools.org (SMS) 612-293-3034 (Home) 763-784-4458 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Bob De Mars wrote: > ** > There is a SlackBuild for FLASH at SlackBuilds.org. works great. > > Sent from my HTC > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Harrison Lawrence" > To: > Subject: [tclug-list] Flash Player for Slack14 > Date: Mon, Sep 16, 2013 15:34 > > Has anybody been able to get Adobe Flash 11.x to work on Slackware 14.0? > I've been trying, and can't seem to be able to install it. > > In Him, > H D Lawrence > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Sep 18 20:04:28 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:04:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] setting $INFOPATH and $MANPATH in bash Message-ID: The docs aren't very clear on how this is accomplished. It looks like I'm doing $PATH correctly, and after that it looks like $MANPATH gets fixed up automatically because the manpath program figures out the correspondence of bin directories with man directories. $INFOPATH is more obscure. It looks like if I create $INFOPATH in the environment, it adds listed directories to the path for info, but info is finding more directories from some other source. It also doesn't find info directories automatically by correspondence with bin directories listed in $PATH. Google results are surprisingly unhelpful. Any ideas? Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 03:13:58 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:13:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] INFOPATH In-Reply-To: <20130918233657.1dea25e7@falcon.cavelan.local> References: <20130918233657.1dea25e7@falcon.cavelan.local> Message-ID: Steve couldn't post to the list, but his message is below and my response follows. Many thanks, Steve, for your effort on my behalf! You reminded me that emacs provides a very nice way of viewing info pages. I plan to use it more often. It seems that $INFOPATH is alive and well. I just figured out how I am supposed to use it. It typically does not exist unless the user creates it because the info pages are made available from a central location (as you describe below). So I would do something like this: export INFOPATH=/home/mbmiller/local/info: Note the trailing colon. That is explained here: "If you do not define INFOPATH, Info uses a default path defined when Info was built as the initial list of directories. If the value of INFOPATH ends with a colon (or semicolon on MS-DOS/MS-Windows), the initial list of directories is constructed by appending the build-time default to the value of INFOPATH." Source: http://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/manual/info-stnd/html_node/Invoking-Info.html So I think this works for me in my ~/.bashrc whether $INFOPATH existed previously or not: if [ -d "$HOME/local/info" ]; then export INFOPATH=$HOME/local/info:$INFOPATH fi If it did not exist, then I get this: export INFOPATH=$HOME/local/info: That is, I get the desired trailing colon described above. Mike On Wed, 18 Sep 2013, Steve Trapp wrote: > File seems to be the top menu of the *info* program. > > You get this by doing the following (this is in case you're not using > debian): > > 1. Launch emacs > 2. Type command into emacs: < [Control-h]i > > 3. Type command into emacs: < [Control-x][Control-f] > > Read the bottom line to get the path. When I did it, it said > . > 4. cd /usr/share/info > 5. less dir > > I couldn't find anything about environment variable INFOPATH. I'm wondering > if it is still viable. > > I did "info info", and that led to how to use it. > > Seems that there's a project on GNU/FSF called texinfo which produces the > info files, amongst other formats. The manual for texinfo had something like > "installing an info file", but I wasn't grokking (comprehending) it, so I > gave up. :( > > You're welcome to attempt a grok of the textinfo manual. ;) > > Web address of texinfo manual (rendered into HTML, thank heavens): > /html_node/index.html#SEC_Contents> > > Hope this helps, > -Steve > > -- > Name: Steve Trapp > Homepage: http://steventrapp.home.comcast.net > Email: stevetrapp **AT** comcast **DOT** net > Locale: en_US.UTF-8 | Location: Upper Midwest > From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 03:30:26 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 03:30:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] setting $INFOPATH and $MANPATH in bash In-Reply-To: <20130918223443.661eb679@falcon.cavelan.local> References: <20130918223443.661eb679@falcon.cavelan.local> Message-ID: Steve also wrote about MANPATH. See below. I'm running these tests on an outdated Ubuntu 9.10 box, but I expect that the results apply wherever GNU is being used. I also saw a lot of that stuff. It was a lot to wade through and it never got to the basic point. Apparently, manpath is automatically figuring out that if /whatever/bin is in $PATH and /whatever/man exists, then it adds /whatever/man to the output of manpath. I have not set $MANPATH or used a ~/.manpath or changed /etc/manpath.config, yet I get this: $ echo $HOME /home/mbmiller $ echo $PATH /home/mbmiller/bin:/home/mbmiller/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games $ manpath /home/mbmiller/local/man:/usr/local/man:/usr/local/share/man:/usr/share/man Note that my $HOME/bin is in $PATH, but $HOME/man does not exist, and $HOME/man is not listed in the ouptput of manpath. However, $HOME/local/bin is in $PATH, $HOME/local/man exists and $HOME/local/man is in the output of manpath. In other words, I don't have to do anything to get what I want from this. More testing to confirm the theory: $ mkdir -p blorf/{bin,man} $ export PATH=/home/mbmiller/foo/bin:$PATH $ echo $PATH /home/mbmiller/foo/bin:/home/mbmiller/bin:/home/mbmiller/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games $ manpath /home/mbmiller/foo/man:/home/mbmiller/local/man:/usr/local/man:/usr/local/share/man:/usr/share/man In other words, it works even when the directories are empty. Mike On Wed, 18 Sep 2013, Steve Trapp wrote: > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:59:59 -0500 > From: Steve Trapp > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] setting $INFOPATH and $MANPATH in bash > > > Mike Miller- > > I use Debian. Your mileage may vary if you use something else... > > 1. Under "man man", it says the following for option < -C > of man: > > -C file, --config-file=file > Use this user configuration file rather than the default > of ~/.manpath. > > 2. Under "man man", in the < FILES > section, it says: > > /etc/manpath.config > man-db configuration file. > > 3. There is a "man manpath" that tells you about the manpath command. > > 4. There is a "man 5 manpath" (i.e., section < 5 > of the manual pages) > which describes the format of the < man-db > configuration files (like > <~/.manpath> from #1, and from #2. > > 5. I have a very short sample <~/.manpath> that I'll share with you: > > MANPATH_MAP /home/steve/bin /home/steve/doc/man > > I store my own binaries into /home/steve/bin. I have a nonstandard > place (in my opinion) to put the man pages, namely, /home/steve/doc/man > instead of /home/steve/man. > > I am not sure whether I'd need the ~/.manpath if I'd have > used /home/steve/man OR not. This is left as an exercise for Mike > Miller. :) > > 6. I get the feeling that the MANPATH environment variable is being > deprecated (i.e., phased out). > > 7. These seven points constitutes my entire knowledge of manpath/MANPATH. > No googling required?! :) > > Hope this helps, > -Steve > > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:04:28 -0500 (CDT), > Mike Miller wrote: >> The docs aren't very clear on how this is accomplished. It looks like >> I'm doing $PATH correctly, and after that it looks like $MANPATH gets >> fixed up automatically because the manpath program figures out the >> correspondence of bin directories with man directories. >> >> $INFOPATH is more obscure. It looks like if I create $INFOPATH in the >> environment, it adds listed directories to the path for info, but info is >> finding more directories from some other source. It also doesn't find >> info directories automatically by correspondence with bin directories >> listed in $PATH. >> >> Google results are surprisingly unhelpful. Any ideas? >> >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Name: Steve Trapp > Homepage: http://steventrapp.home.comcast.net > Email: stevetrapp **AT** comcast **DOT** net > Locale: en_US.UTF-8 | Location: Upper Midwest > From jjensen at apache.org Sun Sep 22 17:48:01 2013 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:48:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home network monitoring? Message-ID: I'm having some home network speed problems and am seeking advice for software and/or hardware to help resolve. I'm having troubles determining if it is internal traffic only or ISP/internet speed. I setup bandwidthd and review its generated charts, but I'm not sure if it sees all traffic, even with the server in promiscuous mode. It sees quite a bit though, so maybe it does. However, I'm having difficulty ascertaining what it's telling me, especially whether it's external vs internal traffic; and it's limited charts. My guess is I need a different tool but I don't know which one. I know of tools like WireShark, but need a higher-level tool that summarizes and coordinates. Currently, CenturyLink DSL is my ISP and have the Zyxel Q1000Z DSL router. The router is ok, but doesn't offer much manageability/reporting/monitoring. And it's stupid enough to not offer discovered hosts back to DNS (especially the names!). It was cheap, so can't complain... So I'm wondering is it a software tool I should use or perhaps a better router with it built in (or both of course!). I wonder about one of the DD-WRT routers, but not sure if that's still the recommended approach or are there better ones/approaches now. I setup Nagios many years ago for fun/to learn and for practical notification on servers and internet status. My prior DSL router (before the high speed upgrade) was a little Cisco and had limited SNMP support, so I configured Nagios to tell me what it could; current one has no SNMP or monitoring support. I mention this as ideally I'd like to have nagio monitor this stuff again, but also in more detail than the prior router to know what is going on. I might change to cable in the future, so isolating the setup with a new router in bridge mode to the DSL or cable device may be part of the equation (vs a new DSL router), if a new router is in the recommended solution. If so, then my question includes which ones are the regarded as the better ones for home networking for someone with much higher desire for monitoring abilities. So knowing this group has a lot more experience than I do at this (many of you do this full time!), if anyone has any suggestions based on my ramblings, I would appreciate them! The only caveat for me is it's the home network, so not going to setup something with high cost as a proper business would. From ryanjcole at me.com Sun Sep 22 17:57:56 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:57:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home network monitoring? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <438775B0-34D4-4A7F-B0FC-9A3A9D6AA86B@me.com> First thing: Is the problem occurring on just one computer or many? Have you run internet speed tests like speediest.net? Have you tried running against other servers (you can pick the server on their site)? Do you have other switches to try (if you're using a switch)? On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > I'm having some home network speed problems and am seeking advice for > software and/or hardware to help resolve. I'm having troubles > determining if it is internal traffic only or ISP/internet speed. > > I setup bandwidthd and review its generated charts, but I'm not sure > if it sees all traffic, even with the server in promiscuous mode. It > sees quite a bit though, so maybe it does. However, I'm having > difficulty ascertaining what it's telling me, especially whether it's > external vs internal traffic; and it's limited charts. My guess is I > need a different tool but I don't know which one. I know of tools > like WireShark, but need a higher-level tool that summarizes and > coordinates. > > Currently, CenturyLink DSL is my ISP and have the Zyxel Q1000Z DSL > router. The router is ok, but doesn't offer much > manageability/reporting/monitoring. And it's stupid enough to not > offer discovered hosts back to DNS (especially the names!). It was > cheap, so can't complain... > > So I'm wondering is it a software tool I should use or perhaps a > better router with it built in (or both of course!). I wonder about > one of the DD-WRT routers, but not sure if that's still the > recommended approach or are there better ones/approaches now. > > I setup Nagios many years ago for fun/to learn and for practical > notification on servers and internet status. My prior DSL router > (before the high speed upgrade) was a little Cisco and had limited > SNMP support, so I configured Nagios to tell me what it could; current > one has no SNMP or monitoring support. I mention this as ideally I'd > like to have nagio monitor this stuff again, but also in more detail > than the prior router to know what is going on. > > > I might change to cable in the future, so isolating the setup with a > new router in bridge mode to the DSL or cable device may be part of > the equation (vs a new DSL router), if a new router is in the > recommended solution. If so, then my question includes which ones are > the regarded as the better ones for home networking for someone with > much higher desire for monitoring abilities. > > So knowing this group has a lot more experience than I do at this > (many of you do this full time!), if anyone has any suggestions based > on my ramblings, I would appreciate them! The only caveat for me is > it's the home network, so not going to setup something with high cost > as a proper business would. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jjensen at apache.org Sun Sep 22 18:29:28 2013 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:29:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home network monitoring? In-Reply-To: <438775B0-34D4-4A7F-B0FC-9A3A9D6AA86B@me.com> References: <438775B0-34D4-4A7F-B0FC-9A3A9D6AA86B@me.com> Message-ID: Hello Ryan, thank you for the reply. The slowdowns happen on all computers. Sometimes related to streaming (wife and 3 kids) - e.g. Netflix - noticeable speed improvement when it is stopped. While at times it is likely/obviously internet speed, sometimes it has happened when no one has been streaming. I've tried tracking to other background processes but don't get very far. :-/ This is where I wonder about a monitoring tool that lists the various process communications in descending order... We notice the slowdowns with general surfing, ping rates (especially as shown in games), and just using gmail is pokey. Noted on 3 user machines; I'm down to one server, which is only interactively used for admin stuff; tablet surfing noted slower at times/wifi, but not correlated yet. Yes, used the dslreports speed tests (did you mean speediest.net or a different one? that link went to "domain for sale"! :-). The DSL router also shows the connect speed. It seems accurate when I compare the two speed sources with low traffic. Dslreports shows slowdowns at times when we do too, which helps correlate internet speed as cause. I'm at the highest DSL speed available in my area, so faster means switching service type which requires more effort and coordination than just the next level up! While internet speed could be a good portion of the cause, I'd like to know before switching as well as have proper monitoring in place for future use. No, using a 24 port switch and only have one. I have a couple of small ones - 8 port and 4 port used in a couple of rooms. Are you hinting at a faulty switch? I can possibly borrow a larger one if you think worth a check. On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > First thing: Is the problem occurring on just one computer or many? > > Have you run internet speed tests like speediest.net? Have you tried running against other servers (you can pick the server on their site)? > > Do you have other switches to try (if you're using a switch)? > > > > On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > >> I'm having some home network speed problems and am seeking advice for >> software and/or hardware to help resolve. I'm having troubles >> determining if it is internal traffic only or ISP/internet speed. >> >> I setup bandwidthd and review its generated charts, but I'm not sure >> if it sees all traffic, even with the server in promiscuous mode. It >> sees quite a bit though, so maybe it does. However, I'm having >> difficulty ascertaining what it's telling me, especially whether it's >> external vs internal traffic; and it's limited charts. My guess is I >> need a different tool but I don't know which one. I know of tools >> like WireShark, but need a higher-level tool that summarizes and >> coordinates. >> >> Currently, CenturyLink DSL is my ISP and have the Zyxel Q1000Z DSL >> router. The router is ok, but doesn't offer much >> manageability/reporting/monitoring. And it's stupid enough to not >> offer discovered hosts back to DNS (especially the names!). It was >> cheap, so can't complain... >> >> So I'm wondering is it a software tool I should use or perhaps a >> better router with it built in (or both of course!). I wonder about >> one of the DD-WRT routers, but not sure if that's still the >> recommended approach or are there better ones/approaches now. >> >> I setup Nagios many years ago for fun/to learn and for practical >> notification on servers and internet status. My prior DSL router >> (before the high speed upgrade) was a little Cisco and had limited >> SNMP support, so I configured Nagios to tell me what it could; current >> one has no SNMP or monitoring support. I mention this as ideally I'd >> like to have nagio monitor this stuff again, but also in more detail >> than the prior router to know what is going on. >> >> >> I might change to cable in the future, so isolating the setup with a >> new router in bridge mode to the DSL or cable device may be part of >> the equation (vs a new DSL router), if a new router is in the >> recommended solution. If so, then my question includes which ones are >> the regarded as the better ones for home networking for someone with >> much higher desire for monitoring abilities. >> >> So knowing this group has a lot more experience than I do at this >> (many of you do this full time!), if anyone has any suggestions based >> on my ramblings, I would appreciate them! The only caveat for me is >> it's the home network, so not going to setup something with high cost >> as a proper business would. >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Sun Sep 22 19:17:49 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:17:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home network monitoring? In-Reply-To: References: <438775B0-34D4-4A7F-B0FC-9A3A9D6AA86B@me.com> Message-ID: Hah. Apple Mail autocorrected "speediest.net" ,? dammit it did it again: speedtest.net. If you're on DSL and you're streaming more than 2 things you're likely going to have issues?. how do your pings start before the slowdown? can you keep a steady ping of 8.8.8.8 (google's DNS server) going and see? On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Hello Ryan, thank you for the reply. > > The slowdowns happen on all computers. Sometimes related to streaming > (wife and 3 kids) - e.g. Netflix - noticeable speed improvement when > it is stopped. While at times it is likely/obviously internet speed, > sometimes it has happened when no one has been streaming. I've tried > tracking to other background processes but don't get very far. :-/ > This is where I wonder about a monitoring tool that lists the various > process communications in descending order... > We notice the slowdowns with general surfing, ping rates (especially > as shown in games), and just using gmail is pokey. > Noted on 3 user machines; I'm down to one server, which is only > interactively used for admin stuff; tablet surfing noted slower at > times/wifi, but not correlated yet. > > Yes, used the dslreports speed tests (did you mean speediest.net or a > different one? that link went to "domain for sale"! :-). The DSL > router also shows the connect speed. It seems accurate when I compare > the two speed sources with low traffic. Dslreports shows slowdowns at > times when we do too, which helps correlate internet speed as cause. > I'm at the highest DSL speed available in my area, so faster means > switching service type which requires more effort and coordination > than just the next level up! While internet speed could be a good > portion of the cause, I'd like to know before switching as well as > have proper monitoring in place for future use. > > No, using a 24 port switch and only have one. I have a couple of > small ones - 8 port and 4 port used in a couple of rooms. Are you > hinting at a faulty switch? I can possibly borrow a larger one if you > think worth a check. > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> First thing: Is the problem occurring on just one computer or many? >> >> Have you run internet speed tests like speediest.net? Have you tried running against other servers (you can pick the server on their site)? >> >> Do you have other switches to try (if you're using a switch)? >> >> >> >> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: >> >>> I'm having some home network speed problems and am seeking advice for >>> software and/or hardware to help resolve. I'm having troubles >>> determining if it is internal traffic only or ISP/internet speed. >>> >>> I setup bandwidthd and review its generated charts, but I'm not sure >>> if it sees all traffic, even with the server in promiscuous mode. It >>> sees quite a bit though, so maybe it does. However, I'm having >>> difficulty ascertaining what it's telling me, especially whether it's >>> external vs internal traffic; and it's limited charts. My guess is I >>> need a different tool but I don't know which one. I know of tools >>> like WireShark, but need a higher-level tool that summarizes and >>> coordinates. >>> >>> Currently, CenturyLink DSL is my ISP and have the Zyxel Q1000Z DSL >>> router. The router is ok, but doesn't offer much >>> manageability/reporting/monitoring. And it's stupid enough to not >>> offer discovered hosts back to DNS (especially the names!). It was >>> cheap, so can't complain... >>> >>> So I'm wondering is it a software tool I should use or perhaps a >>> better router with it built in (or both of course!). I wonder about >>> one of the DD-WRT routers, but not sure if that's still the >>> recommended approach or are there better ones/approaches now. >>> >>> I setup Nagios many years ago for fun/to learn and for practical >>> notification on servers and internet status. My prior DSL router >>> (before the high speed upgrade) was a little Cisco and had limited >>> SNMP support, so I configured Nagios to tell me what it could; current >>> one has no SNMP or monitoring support. I mention this as ideally I'd >>> like to have nagio monitor this stuff again, but also in more detail >>> than the prior router to know what is going on. >>> >>> >>> I might change to cable in the future, so isolating the setup with a >>> new router in bridge mode to the DSL or cable device may be part of >>> the equation (vs a new DSL router), if a new router is in the >>> recommended solution. If so, then my question includes which ones are >>> the regarded as the better ones for home networking for someone with >>> much higher desire for monitoring abilities. >>> >>> So knowing this group has a lot more experience than I do at this >>> (many of you do this full time!), if anyone has any suggestions based >>> on my ramblings, I would appreciate them! The only caveat for me is >>> it's the home network, so not going to setup something with high cost >>> as a proper business would. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jjensen at apache.org Sun Sep 22 22:36:08 2013 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:36:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home network monitoring? In-Reply-To: References: <438775B0-34D4-4A7F-B0FC-9A3A9D6AA86B@me.com> Message-ID: Not sure how they start. Based on my son's complaint on gaming ping increases... starts lower such as ping in 100+, then goes up. He's mentioned high and very high pings before, e.g. 800, 1400. Even if all streaming is then stopped, something is still going on sometimes as the ping rate doesn't always go back to very low/normal; it lowers enough for decent usability, but not fully. Hence I wonder about something that can track the traffic for summary review to detect high volume traffic sources and destinations, ideally with service identified. I played with ping google dns a bit. We'll use that when next issue strikes. Thanks again for your ideas. On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Hah. Apple Mail autocorrected "speediest.net" ,? dammit it did it again: speedtest.net. > > If you're on DSL and you're streaming more than 2 things you're likely going to have issues?. how do your pings start before the slowdown? can you keep a steady ping of 8.8.8.8 (google's DNS server) going and see? > > > On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > >> Hello Ryan, thank you for the reply. >> >> The slowdowns happen on all computers. Sometimes related to streaming >> (wife and 3 kids) - e.g. Netflix - noticeable speed improvement when >> it is stopped. While at times it is likely/obviously internet speed, >> sometimes it has happened when no one has been streaming. I've tried >> tracking to other background processes but don't get very far. :-/ >> This is where I wonder about a monitoring tool that lists the various >> process communications in descending order... >> We notice the slowdowns with general surfing, ping rates (especially >> as shown in games), and just using gmail is pokey. >> Noted on 3 user machines; I'm down to one server, which is only >> interactively used for admin stuff; tablet surfing noted slower at >> times/wifi, but not correlated yet. >> >> Yes, used the dslreports speed tests (did you mean speediest.net or a >> different one? that link went to "domain for sale"! :-). The DSL >> router also shows the connect speed. It seems accurate when I compare >> the two speed sources with low traffic. Dslreports shows slowdowns at >> times when we do too, which helps correlate internet speed as cause. >> I'm at the highest DSL speed available in my area, so faster means >> switching service type which requires more effort and coordination >> than just the next level up! While internet speed could be a good >> portion of the cause, I'd like to know before switching as well as >> have proper monitoring in place for future use. >> >> No, using a 24 port switch and only have one. I have a couple of >> small ones - 8 port and 4 port used in a couple of rooms. Are you >> hinting at a faulty switch? I can possibly borrow a larger one if you >> think worth a check. >> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> First thing: Is the problem occurring on just one computer or many? >>> >>> Have you run internet speed tests like speediest.net? Have you tried running against other servers (you can pick the server on their site)? >>> >>> Do you have other switches to try (if you're using a switch)? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: >>> >>>> I'm having some home network speed problems and am seeking advice for >>>> software and/or hardware to help resolve. I'm having troubles >>>> determining if it is internal traffic only or ISP/internet speed. >>>> >>>> I setup bandwidthd and review its generated charts, but I'm not sure >>>> if it sees all traffic, even with the server in promiscuous mode. It >>>> sees quite a bit though, so maybe it does. However, I'm having >>>> difficulty ascertaining what it's telling me, especially whether it's >>>> external vs internal traffic; and it's limited charts. My guess is I >>>> need a different tool but I don't know which one. I know of tools >>>> like WireShark, but need a higher-level tool that summarizes and >>>> coordinates. >>>> >>>> Currently, CenturyLink DSL is my ISP and have the Zyxel Q1000Z DSL >>>> router. The router is ok, but doesn't offer much >>>> manageability/reporting/monitoring. And it's stupid enough to not >>>> offer discovered hosts back to DNS (especially the names!). It was >>>> cheap, so can't complain... >>>> >>>> So I'm wondering is it a software tool I should use or perhaps a >>>> better router with it built in (or both of course!). I wonder about >>>> one of the DD-WRT routers, but not sure if that's still the >>>> recommended approach or are there better ones/approaches now. >>>> >>>> I setup Nagios many years ago for fun/to learn and for practical >>>> notification on servers and internet status. My prior DSL router >>>> (before the high speed upgrade) was a little Cisco and had limited >>>> SNMP support, so I configured Nagios to tell me what it could; current >>>> one has no SNMP or monitoring support. I mention this as ideally I'd >>>> like to have nagio monitor this stuff again, but also in more detail >>>> than the prior router to know what is going on. >>>> >>>> >>>> I might change to cable in the future, so isolating the setup with a >>>> new router in bridge mode to the DSL or cable device may be part of >>>> the equation (vs a new DSL router), if a new router is in the >>>> recommended solution. If so, then my question includes which ones are >>>> the regarded as the better ones for home networking for someone with >>>> much higher desire for monitoring abilities. >>>> >>>> So knowing this group has a lot more experience than I do at this >>>> (many of you do this full time!), if anyone has any suggestions based >>>> on my ramblings, I would appreciate them! The only caveat for me is >>>> it's the home network, so not going to setup something with high cost >>>> as a proper business would. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Sep 23 01:35:30 2013 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 01:35:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home network monitoring? Message-ID: <8a5umk2mkthscfa8up4cqwof.1379899888282@email.android.com> My gut says it's your ISP experiencing congestion (comparatively blind guess). You pretty much have to disconnect everything from your Internet DSL router except one test computer/laptop which should be plugged directly into your DSL router with a proper cable and not use wireless (actually turn it off completely). Ideally do this with a bootable live linux distribution to help avoid any possible background processes: virus update, os update, botnet induced traffic, peer 2 peer, etc.?Then run various tests using a command like mtr or if on windows use ping plotter at a target out on the the Internet, ideally multiple targets spread out across multiple providers beyond your ISP (CenturyLink). These are often times extremely illuminating, of course if you don't comprehend the results well they can be either confusing or else lead to incorrect assumptions.? A program like Ntop can be helpful along the lines of what you're talking about where you're trying to diagnose a surge in network traffic on your own local area network. If you're on a Mac I know there is an app called little sniffer or something like that that identifies local application's network usage. On Linux there are a number of tools like jnettop, ntop (mentioned above), iptables , and others to help diagnose where traffic is coming from or going to.? Good luck!? -------- Original message -------- From: Ryan Coleman Date: 09/22/2013 7:17 PM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Home network monitoring? Hah. Apple Mail autocorrected "speediest.net" ,? dammit it did it again: speedtest.net. If you're on DSL and you're streaming more than 2 things you're likely going to have issues?. how do your pings start before the slowdown? can you keep a steady ping of 8.8.8.8 (google's DNS server) going and see? On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Hello Ryan, thank you for the reply. > > The slowdowns happen on all computers.? Sometimes related to streaming > (wife and 3 kids) - e.g. Netflix - noticeable speed improvement when > it is stopped.? While at times it is likely/obviously internet speed, > sometimes it has happened when no one has been streaming.? I've tried > tracking to other background processes but don't get very far.? :-/ > This is where I wonder about a monitoring tool that lists the various > process communications in descending order... > We notice the slowdowns with general surfing, ping rates (especially > as shown in games), and just using gmail is pokey. > Noted on 3 user machines; I'm down to one server, which is only > interactively used for admin stuff; tablet surfing noted slower at > times/wifi, but not correlated yet. > > Yes, used the dslreports speed tests (did you mean speediest.net or a > different one? that link went to "domain for sale"! :-).? The DSL > router also shows the connect speed.? It seems accurate when I compare > the two speed sources with low traffic.? Dslreports shows slowdowns at > times when we do too, which helps correlate internet speed as cause. > I'm at the highest DSL speed available in my area, so faster means > switching service type which requires more effort and coordination > than just the next level up!? While internet speed could be a good > portion of the cause, I'd like to know before switching as well as > have proper monitoring in place for future use. > > No, using a 24 port switch and only have one.? I have a couple of > small ones - 8 port and 4 port used in a couple of rooms.? Are you > hinting at a faulty switch?? I can possibly borrow a larger one if you > think worth a check. > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> First thing: Is the problem occurring on just one computer or many? >> >> Have you run internet speed tests like speediest.net? Have you tried running against other servers (you can pick the server on their site)? >> >> Do you have other switches to try (if you're using a switch)? >> >> >> >> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: >> >>> I'm having some home network speed problems and am seeking advice for >>> software and/or hardware to help resolve.? I'm having troubles >>> determining if it is internal traffic only or ISP/internet speed. >>> >>> I setup bandwidthd and review its generated charts, but I'm not sure >>> if it sees all traffic, even with the server in promiscuous mode.? It >>> sees quite a bit though, so maybe it does.? However, I'm having >>> difficulty ascertaining what it's telling me, especially whether it's >>> external vs internal traffic; and it's limited charts.? My guess is I >>> need a different tool but I don't know which one.? I know of tools >>> like WireShark, but need a higher-level tool that summarizes and >>> coordinates. >>> >>> Currently, CenturyLink DSL is my ISP and have the Zyxel Q1000Z DSL >>> router.? The router is ok, but doesn't offer much >>> manageability/reporting/monitoring.? And it's stupid enough to not >>> offer discovered hosts back to DNS (especially the names!).? It was >>> cheap, so can't complain... >>> >>> So I'm wondering is it a software tool I should use or perhaps a >>> better router with it built in (or both of course!).? I wonder about >>> one of the DD-WRT routers, but not sure if that's still the >>> recommended approach or are there better ones/approaches now. >>> >>> I setup Nagios many years ago for fun/to learn and for practical >>> notification on servers and internet status.? My prior DSL router >>> (before the high speed upgrade) was a little Cisco and had limited >>> SNMP support, so I configured Nagios to tell me what it could; current >>> one has no SNMP or monitoring support.? I mention this as ideally I'd >>> like to have nagio monitor this stuff again, but also in more detail >>> than the prior router to know what is going on. >>> >>> >>> I might change to cable in the future, so isolating the setup with a >>> new router in bridge mode to the DSL or cable device may be part of >>> the equation (vs a new DSL router), if a new router is in the >>> recommended solution.? If so, then my question includes which ones are >>> the regarded as the better ones for home networking for someone with >>> much higher desire for monitoring abilities. >>> >>> So knowing this group has a lot more experience than I do at this >>> (many of you do this full time!), if anyone has any suggestions based >>> on my ramblings, I would appreciate them!? The only caveat for me is >>> it's the home network, so not going to setup something with high cost >>> as a proper business would. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 23 08:08:33 2013 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:08:33 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Home network monitoring? In-Reply-To: <8a5umk2mkthscfa8up4cqwof.1379899888282@email.android.com> References: <8a5umk2mkthscfa8up4cqwof.1379899888282@email.android.com> Message-ID: <20130923130833.GA430@real-time.com> On 09/23 01:35 , Justin Krejci wrote: > A program like Ntop can be helpful along the lines of what you're talking about where you're trying to diagnose a surge in network traffic on your own local area network. If you're on a Mac I know there is an app called little sniffer or something like that that identifies local application's network usage. On Linux there are a number of tools like jnettop, ntop (mentioned above), iptables , and others to help diagnose where traffic is coming from or going to.? I tend to use 'iftop' (http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/iftop/) for monitoring what traffic is going where and how much bandwidth it is using. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From adam at askewview.net Mon Sep 23 12:46:47 2013 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam Barthelemy) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:46:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] =?utf-8?q?Home_network_monitoring=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: <438775B0-34D4-4A7F-B0FC-9A3A9D6AA86B@me.com> Message-ID: <110c55da96ec71410c587ee5f36445f4@askewview.net> With issues like this I like to take a look at multiple pings. I'd personally ping the following points: Computers default gateway (usually cable/dsl router) The first hop after your internal network (Typically a router at your ISP) A third party internet IP like Google's public DNS Servers. These points help you try and figure out what point in the link is breaking down. If you have high pings to your local default gateway the switch/router could be bad. A high ping to the first hop after your internal network could suggest saturation of your DSL line. A high ping beyond your ISPs network could suggest contention issues on the ISPs upstream links. On 2013-09-22 22:36, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Not sure how they start. Based on my son's complaint on gaming ping > increases... starts lower such as ping in 100+, then goes up. He's > mentioned high and very high pings before, e.g. 800, 1400. > Even if all streaming is then stopped, something is still going on > sometimes as the ping rate doesn't always go back to very low/normal; > it lowers enough for decent usability, but not fully. Hence I wonder > about something that can track the traffic for summary review to > detect high volume traffic sources and destinations, ideally with > service identified. > > I played with ping google dns a bit. We'll use that when next issue > strikes. > > Thanks again for your ideas. > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Ryan Coleman > wrote: >> Hah. Apple Mail autocorrected "speediest.net" ,? dammit it did it >> again: speedtest.net. >> >> If you're on DSL and you're streaming more than 2 things you're >> likely going to have issues?. how do your pings start before the >> slowdown? can you keep a steady ping of 8.8.8.8 (google's DNS server) >> going and see? >> >> >> On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: >> >>> Hello Ryan, thank you for the reply. >>> >>> The slowdowns happen on all computers. Sometimes related to >>> streaming >>> (wife and 3 kids) - e.g. Netflix - noticeable speed improvement when >>> it is stopped. While at times it is likely/obviously internet >>> speed, >>> sometimes it has happened when no one has been streaming. I've >>> tried >>> tracking to other background processes but don't get very far. :-/ >>> This is where I wonder about a monitoring tool that lists the >>> various >>> process communications in descending order... >>> We notice the slowdowns with general surfing, ping rates (especially >>> as shown in games), and just using gmail is pokey. >>> Noted on 3 user machines; I'm down to one server, which is only >>> interactively used for admin stuff; tablet surfing noted slower at >>> times/wifi, but not correlated yet. >>> >>> Yes, used the dslreports speed tests (did you mean speediest.net or >>> a >>> different one? that link went to "domain for sale"! :-). The DSL >>> router also shows the connect speed. It seems accurate when I >>> compare >>> the two speed sources with low traffic. Dslreports shows slowdowns >>> at >>> times when we do too, which helps correlate internet speed as cause. >>> I'm at the highest DSL speed available in my area, so faster means >>> switching service type which requires more effort and coordination >>> than just the next level up! While internet speed could be a good >>> portion of the cause, I'd like to know before switching as well as >>> have proper monitoring in place for future use. >>> >>> No, using a 24 port switch and only have one. I have a couple of >>> small ones - 8 port and 4 port used in a couple of rooms. Are you >>> hinting at a faulty switch? I can possibly borrow a larger one if >>> you >>> think worth a check. >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Ryan Coleman >>> wrote: >>>> First thing: Is the problem occurring on just one computer or many? >>>> >>>> Have you run internet speed tests like speediest.net? Have you >>>> tried running against other servers (you can pick the server on >>>> their site)? >>>> >>>> Do you have other switches to try (if you're using a switch)? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Jeff Jensen >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm having some home network speed problems and am seeking advice >>>>> for >>>>> software and/or hardware to help resolve. I'm having troubles >>>>> determining if it is internal traffic only or ISP/internet speed. >>>>> >>>>> I setup bandwidthd and review its generated charts, but I'm not >>>>> sure >>>>> if it sees all traffic, even with the server in promiscuous mode. >>>>> It >>>>> sees quite a bit though, so maybe it does. However, I'm having >>>>> difficulty ascertaining what it's telling me, especially whether >>>>> it's >>>>> external vs internal traffic; and it's limited charts. My guess >>>>> is I >>>>> need a different tool but I don't know which one. I know of tools >>>>> like WireShark, but need a higher-level tool that summarizes and >>>>> coordinates. >>>>> >>>>> Currently, CenturyLink DSL is my ISP and have the Zyxel Q1000Z DSL >>>>> router. The router is ok, but doesn't offer much >>>>> manageability/reporting/monitoring. And it's stupid enough to not >>>>> offer discovered hosts back to DNS (especially the names!). It >>>>> was >>>>> cheap, so can't complain... >>>>> >>>>> So I'm wondering is it a software tool I should use or perhaps a >>>>> better router with it built in (or both of course!). I wonder >>>>> about >>>>> one of the DD-WRT routers, but not sure if that's still the >>>>> recommended approach or are there better ones/approaches now. >>>>> >>>>> I setup Nagios many years ago for fun/to learn and for practical >>>>> notification on servers and internet status. My prior DSL router >>>>> (before the high speed upgrade) was a little Cisco and had limited >>>>> SNMP support, so I configured Nagios to tell me what it could; >>>>> current >>>>> one has no SNMP or monitoring support. I mention this as ideally >>>>> I'd >>>>> like to have nagio monitor this stuff again, but also in more >>>>> detail >>>>> than the prior router to know what is going on. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I might change to cable in the future, so isolating the setup with >>>>> a >>>>> new router in bridge mode to the DSL or cable device may be part >>>>> of >>>>> the equation (vs a new DSL router), if a new router is in the >>>>> recommended solution. If so, then my question includes which ones >>>>> are >>>>> the regarded as the better ones for home networking for someone >>>>> with >>>>> much higher desire for monitoring abilities. >>>>> >>>>> So knowing this group has a lot more experience than I do at this >>>>> (many of you do this full time!), if anyone has any suggestions >>>>> based >>>>> on my ramblings, I would appreciate them! The only caveat for me >>>>> is >>>>> it's the home network, so not going to setup something with high >>>>> cost >>>>> as a proper business would. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 13:59:26 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:59:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home network monitoring? In-Reply-To: <110c55da96ec71410c587ee5f36445f4@askewview.net> References: <438775B0-34D4-4A7F-B0FC-9A3A9D6AA86B@me.com> <110c55da96ec71410c587ee5f36445f4@askewview.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Adam Barthelemy wrote: > With issues like this I like to take a look at multiple pings. Great advice - I just wanted to note that "mtr" is a great tool for this. I'm guessing that most on this list are familiar with it, but for those that aren't, mtr is more or less gives you a "live" traceroute, showing latency to each hop along the route to your destination. As such, this will automatically show latency to your default gateway, along with every other router along the way (modulo MPLS tunnels, which can hide routing hops, but that's another discussion). -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As such, this will > automatically show latency to your default gateway, along with every other > router along the way (modulo MPLS tunnels, which can hide routing hops, but > that's another discussion). > > -Erik > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Mon Sep 23 23:32:33 2013 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:32:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] KVM/QEMU @PenguinsUnbound September Meeting Message-ID: <524115E1.1090009@Goecke-Dolan.com> The September PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday September 28th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) At this Months PenguinsUnbound Meeting, John Frisk will talk about: All about QEMU/KVM 1. Demonstrate QEMU/KVM 1.4 in Ubuntu 13.04 2. Show optimization required for bridged networking of KVM guests 3. Show the different optimization techniques for storage inside of a KVM host 4. Show the latest SPICE work for guest graphics capabilities 5. Discuss the different management tools for creating and maintaining guests 6. Talk about QEMU/KVM 1.5 upcoming details in Ubuntu 13.10 Sounds Great! Hope to see you there! *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From stuporglue at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 10:47:56 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:47:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Does anyone use UMN WiFi under Linux (Debian) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is an old thread, but I wanted to post an update in case anyone else comes across a similar problem. I don't think it was interference or a heavy netowork load anymore. I think sometimes either wifi drivers or the hardware itself get in a funny state. If I remove the wifi modules and then modprobe them again WiFi starts working great. Whenever I have network problems at the UMN now I sudo su to root, then run: rmmod iwldvm iwlwifi; sleep 1; modprobe iwlwifi As soon as I reconnect I can use the internet as expected. I think it has something to do with suspend. When I close my laptop it suspends. When it wakes up, there's about a 75% chance that I'll have to do the rmmod/modprobe thing to get connected again. -- Michael Moore On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Michael Moore wrote: > Hello all, > > I installed Debian over the summer, replacing a Ubuntu install and now > that I'm back at school can't get on the Wifi under Linux. It works fine > under Windows. > > UMN has 3 WiFi networks: > > UMN > UMN Public > UMN Secure > > I have the same symptoms under all 3. I can connect to the network, I am > given an IP address and DNS servers, but I can't access anything. I tried > adding my own DNS server, but the results were the same. I was assigned an > IPv6 address and an IPv4 address, so I disabled IPv6 and the results were > the same. > > When connected simple commands like "dig google.com", ping and traceroute > all fail. > > UMN and UMN Public both have a click-through hotspot page where you enter > your un/password (for UMN) or enter a contact email address (UMN Public). > That hotspot page DOES come up, but submitting it results in a spinning > browser tab. > > The UMN Secure page uses a PEAP authentication with a certificate. 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URL: From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Sep 27 02:45:35 2013 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 02:45:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] KVM/QEMU @PenguinsUnbound September Meeting Message-ID: <5245379F.10608@Goecke-Dolan.com> The September PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday September 28th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) At this Months PenguinsUnbound Meeting, John Frisk will talk about: All about QEMU/KVM 1. Demonstrate QEMU/KVM 1.4 in Ubuntu 13.04 2. Show optimization required for bridged networking of KVM guests 3. Show the different optimization techniques for storage inside of a KVM host 4. Show the latest SPICE work for guest graphics capabilities 5. Discuss the different management tools for creating and maintaining guests 6. Talk about QEMU/KVM 1.5 upcoming details in Ubuntu 13.10 Sounds Great! Room change !!! We will be meeting in the Lexington Room in the new remodeled conference center above the parking garage. Please go in the doors in the front of the conference center (between the garage doors) by Larpenteur Ave. (North side). Take the stairs (or elevator) up to the second floor, on the east side of the building next to the mens room will be the Lexington room. Hope to see you there! *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Sep 27 14:07:12 2013 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:07:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] radio Message-ID: it usually doesn't take long to extract the likes of http://uno.kfai.org/LouisianaRhythms/LouisianaRhythms_2013-09-20.mp3 from a radio website, so i can play it in mplayer or vlc. i'm having less luck with http://minnesota.publicradio.org/www_publicradio/tools/media_player/syndicate.php?name=phc/2013/09/21/phc_20130921_128 anyone else able? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Fri Sep 27 15:08:25 2013 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:08:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Call MPR and tell them you're trying to listen to shows on your iPad and it doesn't work. ;) - Tony From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Sep 27 15:08:36 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:08:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61BEF100-5F72-4638-A8A7-1CADC692AB5D@me.com> I've got nothing in Firebug for ya? Wireshark implies it's streaming over TCP 1935 which is RTMP On Sep 27, 2013, at 2:07 PM, gregrwm wrote: > it usually doesn't take long to extract the likes of > > http://uno.kfai.org/LouisianaRhythms/LouisianaRhythms_2013-09-20.mp3 > > from a radio website, so i can play it in mplayer or vlc. > i'm having less luck with > > http://minnesota.publicradio.org/www_publicradio/tools/media_player/syndicate.php?name=phc/2013/09/21/phc_20130921_128 > > anyone else able? > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Sep 27 15:09:42 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:09:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71E762B1-F12F-4E5B-9EA3-9284269447E7@me.com> I doubt they'd buy it? The page he links to is an auto-sensing page - if you have Flash it uses flash otherwise it pumps mp4 On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > Call MPR and tell them you're trying to listen to shows on your iPad > and it doesn't work. ;) > > - Tony > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Sep 27 15:17:56 2013 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:17:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] radio In-Reply-To: <71E762B1-F12F-4E5B-9EA3-9284269447E7@me.com> References: <71E762B1-F12F-4E5B-9EA3-9284269447E7@me.com> Message-ID: <5245E7F4.6060602@Goecke-Dolan.com> This is what I use. MPR News http://newsstream1.publicradio.org:80/ The Current http://currentstream1.publicradio.org:80/ I used to be able to get them off the website, if I dig around enough.. But not last month when I tried to find them. Luckly I had them on my desktop at home! ==>brian. On 09/27/2013 03:09 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I doubt they'd buy it? The page he links to is an auto-sensing page - if you have Flash it uses flash otherwise it pumps mp4 > > > On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > >> Call MPR and tell them you're trying to listen to shows on your iPad >> and it doesn't work. ;) >> >> - Tony >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Sep 27 15:19:36 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:19:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] radio In-Reply-To: <5245E7F4.6060602@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <71E762B1-F12F-4E5B-9EA3-9284269447E7@me.com> <5245E7F4.6060602@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: There's also the iOS app for listening live. And the NPR app that gives you all NPR member stations (Which i used to listen to the 2-hour TOTN when it was still on) On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > This is what I use. > > MPR News > http://newsstream1.publicradio.org:80/ > > The Current > http://currentstream1.publicradio.org:80/ > > I used to be able to get them off the website, if I dig around enough.. But not last month when I tried to find them. Luckly I had them on my desktop at home! > > ==>brian. > > > On 09/27/2013 03:09 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> I doubt they'd buy it? The page he links to is an auto-sensing page - if you have Flash it uses flash otherwise it pumps mp4 >> >> >> On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: >> >>> Call MPR and tell them you're trying to listen to shows on your iPad >>> and it doesn't work. ;) >>> >>> - Tony >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Sep 27 15:25:33 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:25:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] radio In-Reply-To: <61BEF100-5F72-4638-A8A7-1CADC692AB5D@me.com> References: <61BEF100-5F72-4638-A8A7-1CADC692AB5D@me.com> Message-ID: From Wireshark: mpr-od-wowza.lbdns-streamguys.com It's a series of protocol handshakes (some appear encrypted), I would suspect the SWF has a user/pass or token associated with it. The SWF can be found here: http://pipedreams.publicradio.org/www_publicradio/tools/media_player/player.swf I don't blame them for protecting their content - I used to record PHC via my Radio Shark 2 about 6 years ago, along with a bunch of other NPR shows before Podcasts became the big grand idea. -- Ryan On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I've got nothing in Firebug for ya? > > Wireshark implies it's streaming over TCP 1935 which is RTMP > > > On Sep 27, 2013, at 2:07 PM, gregrwm wrote: > >> it usually doesn't take long to extract the likes of >> >> http://uno.kfai.org/LouisianaRhythms/LouisianaRhythms_2013-09-20.mp3 >> >> from a radio website, so i can play it in mplayer or vlc. >> i'm having less luck with >> >> http://minnesota.publicradio.org/www_publicradio/tools/media_player/syndicate.php?name=phc/2013/09/21/phc_20130921_128 >> >> anyone else able? >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not having a radio reception problem myself, I had an elaborate set of cron jobs and related workflows that would record various radio programs on multiple channels, create mp3s, drop them in a directory, and sync to my mp3 player. Laster the synced directory was replaced with a RSS feed that turned the recordings into podcasts. Eventually everything I wanted to listen to had a podcast. The D-Link USB-R100 is tucked away with all the other obsolete but this could be useful some day maybe gear now. -- Andrew Zbikowski http://andy.zibnet.us/ The Evil League of Evil is watching so beware. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Show the different optimization techniques for storage inside of a KVM > host > 4. Show the latest SPICE work for guest graphics capabilities > 5. Discuss the different management tools for creating and maintaining > guests > 6. Talk about QEMU/KVM 1.5 upcoming details in Ubuntu 13.10 > > Sounds Great! > > Room change !!! We will be meeting in the Lexington Room in the new > remodeled conference center above the parking garage. > > Please go in the doors in the front of the conference center (between the > garage doors) by Larpenteur Ave. (North side). Take the stairs (or > elevator) up to the second floor, on the east side of the building next to > the mens room will be the Lexington room. > > Hope to see you there! > > *** STREAMING *** > If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. > mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:**1800 > > You should be able to connect with either: > mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:**1800 > or > vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.**net:1800 > > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Sat Sep 28 10:54:20 2013 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:54:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] KVM/QEMU @PenguinsUnbound September Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <5245379F.10608@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <5246FBAC.70806@Goecke-Dolan.com> I am sorry we are not able to broadcast, or record, this meeting. I didn't know that until we got into the meeting room today. Sorry. ==>brian. On 09/28/2013 10:31 AM, Ryan Dunlop wrote: > Wondering if this stream was ever active? I was unable to stream (out > of the metro area, so couldn't attentd) and really looking forward to > the presentation... > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Brian Dolan-Goecke > > wrote: > > The September PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be > Saturday September 28th at TIES, > 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 > from 10:00am to 12:00pm > (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more > info.) > > At this Months PenguinsUnbound Meeting, John Frisk will talk about: > > All about QEMU/KVM > 1. Demonstrate QEMU/KVM 1.4 in Ubuntu 13.04 > 2. Show optimization required for bridged networking of KVM guests > 3. Show the different optimization techniques for storage inside of > a KVM host > 4. Show the latest SPICE work for guest graphics capabilities > 5. Discuss the different management tools for creating and > maintaining guests > 6. Talk about QEMU/KVM 1.5 upcoming details in Ubuntu 13.10 > > Sounds Great! > > Room change !!! We will be meeting in the Lexington Room in the new > remodeled conference center above the parking garage. > > Please go in the doors in the front of the conference center > (between the garage doors) by Larpenteur Ave. (North side). Take the > stairs (or elevator) up to the second floor, on the east side of the > building next to the mens room will be the Lexington room. > > Hope to see you there! > > *** STREAMING *** > If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. > mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:__1800 > > > You should be able to connect with either: > mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:__1800 > > or > vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.__net:1800 > > > _________________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/__mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >