From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Wed May 1 00:03:53 2013 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 00:03:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux/Cdorked.A: New Apache backdoor being used in the wild to serve Blackhole In-Reply-To: <517F8E32.8040107@factorof4.com> References: <517F8E32.8040107@factorof4.com> Message-ID: > > This post: > > > http://www.welivesecurity.com/2013/04/26/linuxcdorked-new-apache-backdoor-in-the-wild-serves-blackhole/ > > discusses an Apache backdoor exploit that is in the wild. It includes a > python script to test for the exploit, the above post has a very simple python script to check for the shared memory allocation which would be created by the Linux/Cdorked.A exploit. it of course presumes a simple non-openvz server environment. any openvz hackers here? i don't have python in my openvz containers, but i bet it's simple for the HN to look at shared memory allocated by a container. probably via /proc. probably simple, if you know how. anybody know? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com Thu May 2 08:13:19 2013 From: rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com (rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 08:13:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Interactive bash scripts and the fluxbox keys file? Message-ID: <5182666F.2020808@gmail.com> Are there fluxbox keys file modifiers to run a bash script interactively? I commonly launch scripts using keystrokes specified in the keys file. However, if I start an interactive script it never pauses for input as it doesn't run in a window. From mjb at umn.edu Thu May 2 08:15:23 2013 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 08:15:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Interactive bash scripts and the fluxbox keys file? In-Reply-To: <5182666F.2020808@gmail.com> References: <5182666F.2020808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130502131523.GA89124@mars.cla.umn.edu> On Thu, 02 May 2013, rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com said: > Are there fluxbox keys file modifiers to run a bash script > interactively? I commonly launch scripts using keystrokes specified > in the keys file. However, if I start an interactive script it never > pauses for input as it doesn't run in a window. Seems like the easiest course would be to bind keys that launch an Xterm or other terminal emulator with its execute option, as in `xterm -e /path/to/your/script.sh` -- ++++++++++++++++++++ Michael Berkowski PGP Public Key: http://z.umn.edu/mjbpubkey ++++++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com Thu May 2 08:35:16 2013 From: rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com (rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 08:35:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Interactive bash scripts and the fluxbox keys file? In-Reply-To: <20130502131523.GA89124@mars.cla.umn.edu> References: <5182666F.2020808@gmail.com> <20130502131523.GA89124@mars.cla.umn.edu> Message-ID: <51826B94.5010309@gmail.com> On 05/02/13 08:15, Michael Berkowski wrote: > On Thu, 02 May 2013, rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com said: > >> Are there fluxbox keys file modifiers to run a bash script >> interactively? I commonly launch scripts using keystrokes specified >> in the keys file. However, if I start an interactive script it never >> pauses for input as it doesn't run in a window. > Seems like the easiest course would be to bind keys that launch an Xterm > or other terminal emulator with its execute option, as in > > `xterm -e /path/to/your/script.sh` > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Thank you, that works perfectly. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galanolwe at yahoo.com Thu May 2 19:41:47 2013 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Server advice Message-ID: <1367541707.45779.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I just got a used server on Ebay (Dell PowerEdge 2950 II Server Dual Quad Core 2.33GHz SAS SATA - PERC 5i - 16GB)* and am pretty much a total beginner. The hard drives are only 80gb, but there's 6 in a PERC RAID. Q: I'm just wanting to experiment, so, is there a way to yank five of them and just use one hard drive? I'd probably want to upgrade to more space eventually, too. Also, what version of Linux would be a good match? They mention RedHat, but could I just use Ubuntu Server as well? Thanks, LB Grand Marais, MN *http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-II-Server-Dual-Quad-Core-2-33GHz-SAS-SATA-PERC-5i-16GB-/111055721692?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gsker at skerbitz.org Thu May 2 20:00:45 2013 From: gsker at skerbitz.org (Gerry) Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 20:00:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Server advice In-Reply-To: <1367541707.45779.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1367541707.45779.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 May 2013, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I just got a used server on Ebay (Dell PowerEdge 2950 II Server Dual Quad Core > 2.33GHz SAS SATA - PERC 5i - 16GB)* and am pretty much a total beginner. The hard > drives are only 80gb, but there's 6 in a PERC RAID. Q: I'm just wanting to > experiment, so, is there a way to yank five of them and just use one hard drive? I'd > probably want to upgrade to more space eventually, too. Also, what version of Linux > would be a good match? They mention RedHat, but could I just use Ubuntu Server as > well? > > Thanks, > LB > Grand Marais, MN > > *http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-II-Server-Dual-Quad-Core-2-33GHz-SAS-SA > TA-PERC-5i-16GB-/111055721692?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160 Olwe, Yes you can use Redhat/CentOS or Ubuntu. If you're a total beginner it won't matter too much. (Who is "they"?) Here's the Ubuntu "Certification" information. You'll find something that doesn't work with it though. And you'll figure it out with help and move on. http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/200712-180/ IF you decide to do Ubuntu .... Install Ubuntu Precise (12.04 LTS) first and if that works well you can do other things with it. For that matter, leave one of the partitions unused at about 20GB and install RedHat/CentOS on that one. Create /home and swap and use the same partitions in both installs. (just throwing things out there). You COULD yank the drives. But I would recommend you leave two in there and create a RAID 1 with the hardware RAID so you get used to using that utility. You'll want to know how it works before you add more drives (if you ever actually do. :-) Gerry -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker at skerbitz.org -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kc0iog at gmail.com Sat May 4 06:53:36 2013 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 06:53:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server advice In-Reply-To: <1367541707.45779.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1367541707.45779.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > > I just got a used server on Ebay (Dell PowerEdge 2950 II Server Dual Quad Core 2.33GHz SAS SATA - PERC 5i - 16GB)* and am pretty much a total beginner. The hard drives are only 80gb, but there's 6 in a PERC RAID. Q: I'm just wanting to experiment, so, is there a way to yank five of them and just use one hard drive? I'd probably want to upgrade to more space eventually, too. Also, what version of Linux would be a good match? They mention RedHat, but could I just use Ubuntu Server as well? The Dell 2950 is old enough that any modern distro should run just fine. The 2950s are nice servers, the CPUs should support VT and as I recall there is a decent version of DRAC included (onboard if not on its own riser card). As for the drives, when the server boots up you should have the option to hit Ctrl-R toenter the RAID config utility. >From here you can create your logical volumes (remember that the OS will see the logical volumes, not the disks) and you can carve it up to your liking. Good luck! Brian From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon May 6 14:38:26 2013 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 14:38:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about Ubuntu and Xen Message-ID: I've been using Xen on OpenSUSE for a number of years and I use pygrub as my bootloader so that as the kernel gets upgraded in each VM everything just works. I've started migrating to ubuntu and notice that it uses grub2 and adds submenus for old kernels. This submenu feature isn't supported by pygrub. Has anyone else run into this? What do you do for a bootloader for Xen with grub2 in your VMs, or do you use grub1, or a different bootloader? -- http://mtu.net/~jpschewe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What do you do for a bootloader for > Xen with grub2 in your VMs, or do you use grub1, or a different bootloader? > > -- > http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > > -- http://mtu.net/~jpschewe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu May 9 00:16:18 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:16:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] find command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 2013, Paul graf wrote: > I would like to study the 'man find' command with another person 's who > are interested in the command. Finding files that have been modified and > sent to folders on a certain date in time. The 'find' command is very > powerful I believe. I would enjoy a workshop and to listen and be able > to talk with others 'such as yourself'. I am sorry to not send my > message clearly I have no formal education. First -- for finding files on the system, it is often a lot faster and easier to use "locate". Check that out. I usually capture the output from locate using less because sometimes there are a lot more lines than you would think because every path that includes a string will be show. locate whatever | less Then I'll use grep commands to limit the results: locate -i whatever | grep -i tclug | less The -i option makes the command case insensitive. Here is something cool and useful that I do with find. Suppose I have a directory "foo" and that has a directory tree inside it with thousands of files. I want to copy it to some other machine, remote_host, and after it arrives, I want to check that it's all there and unchanged. First I use find with md5sum to make a file of md5 hashes: find foo -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum > foo_md5sums.txt & The "-type f" option causes find to list only regular files, then "-print0" uses null characters instead of newlines to delimit the files in the output list, but xargs with "-0" option takes that kind of list as input. The reason for using the nulls instead of newlines is that it allows xargs to handle properly filenames with spaces. Next I transfer the file: scp -rp foo foo_md5sums.txt remote_host:. That's using scp, but there are other ways one might copy files across a network, or you might even use an external drive, flash drive or DVD to send files somewhere. Then go to the other machine... ssh -X remote_host ...and run this check: md5sum --check foo_md5sums.txt | grep -v OK$ The --check option uses the md5sums file as input and checks every file listed, which includes every file in the foo directory tree. The grep command at the end is just deleting all the lines that say the file was OK. If a file was not present or it didn't match, you will see some output. Mike From erikerik at gmail.com Thu May 9 00:25:39 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:25:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] find command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > Here is something cool and useful that I do with find. Suppose I have a > directory "foo" and that has a directory tree inside it with thousands of > files. I want to copy it to some other machine, remote_host, and after it > arrives, I want to check that it's all there and unchanged. $ rsync Will do essentially the same thing, minus all the manifest file rigamarole... -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu May 9 00:29:48 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:29:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu 13.04 to be supported for only 9 months In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Tony Yarusso wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> So here's a question -- to upgrade to the latest version, must one >> upgrade to each intermediate version in between? For example, I have a >> machine with Ubuntu 10.10... >> >> $ cat /etc/issue >> Ubuntu 10.10 \n \l >> >> ...(in case anyone forgot how to tell the release version), and if I >> want to upgrade to 13.04 in a few weeks, do I have to go through 11.04, >> 11.10, 12.04 and 12.10 first? >> > > "Sort of." You can upgrade directly from one LTS to the next LTS (eg. > 10.04 to 12.04), but can only go from a non-LTS to the next release. > So, from 10.10 to 13.04, your upgrade path would indeed by the full list > of 10.10, 11.04, 11.10, 12.04, 12.10, 13.04. So I thought I'd try to do this. The text below is divided into sections. It's always something I wrote followed by something in an Ubuntu window from the upgrade process. The bottom line is that 10.10 wouldn't let me upgrade to 11.04. I started running update-manager. The first thing I see is this pop-up window: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your Ubuntu release is not supported anymore You will not get any further security fixes or critical updates. Please Upgrade to a later version of Ubuntu Linux. (close) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- After closing the pop-up I get to the main window where I click "Upgrade". This brings up the Release Notes window with the text below. I click the Upgrade button at the bottom of that window. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Upgrading to a no longer supported version = You are about to upgrade to a version of Ubuntu that is no longer supported. The target release of Ubuntu is '''no longer supported''' by Canonical. The support timeframe is between 18 month and 5 years after the initial release. You will not receive security updates or critical bugfixes. See http://www.ubuntu.com/releaseendoflife for details. It is still possible to upgrade this version and eventually you will be able to upgrade to a supported release of Ubuntu. Alternatively you may want to consider to reinstall the machine to the latest version, for more information on this, visit: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu For pre-installed system you may want to contact the manufacturer for instructions. == Feedback and Helping == If you would like to help shape Ubuntu, take a look at the list of ways you can participate at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/ Your comments, bug reports, patches and suggestions will help ensure that our next release is the best release of Ubuntu ever. If you feel that you have found a bug please read: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs Then report bugs using apport in Ubuntu. For example: ubuntu-bug linux will open a bug report in Launchpad regarding the linux package. If you have a question, or if you think you may have found a bug but aren't sure, first try asking on the #ubuntu or #ubuntu-bugs IRC channels on Freenode, on the Ubuntu Users mailing list, or on the Ubuntu forums: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ == More Information == You can find out more about Ubuntu on our website, IRC channel and wiki. If you're new to Ubuntu, please visit: http://www.ubuntu.com/ To sign up for future Ubuntu announcements, please subscribe to Ubuntu's very low volume announcement list at: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce (upgrade) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- When I click "upgrade" this warning text appears in my terminal... authenticate 'natty.tar.gz' against 'natty.tar.gz.gpg' extracting 'natty.tar.gz' WARNING: Failed to read mirror file ...the Distribution Upgrade window appears, but then that is obscured by this information pop-up window: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Third party sources disabled Some third party entries in your sources.list were disabled. You can re-enable them after the upgrade with the 'software-properties' tool or your package manager. (close) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Closing that window returns me to the Distribution Upgrade window which shows that it is fetching files successfully, but then it stops and an error pop-up window appears saying this: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Error during update A problem occurred during the update. This is usually some sort of network problem, please check your network connection and retry. W:Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.33 80] , W:Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.33 80] , E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. (close) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- After that the update-manager closes and it's over -- no upgrade for me! Is there a way around this problem? Thanks in advance! Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu May 9 00:36:45 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:36:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] find command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 May 2013, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> Here is something cool and useful that I do with find. Suppose I have >> a directory "foo" and that has a directory tree inside it with >> thousands of files. I want to copy it to some other machine, >> remote_host, and after it arrives, I want to check that it's all there >> and unchanged. > > > $ rsync > > Will do essentially the same thing, minus all the manifest file > rigamarole... Do you mean that it checks the files during transmission and that it is impossible for it ever to fail? But how do you learn anything by doing it that way? ;-) More seriously, I sometimes have important collections of files (for my work) that I like to have the md5sums for. If a file is ever corrupted, I'll be able to tell because I keep that md5sum file. With rsync, is it possible for the process to be killed so that not all of the files are copied over? I still like the idea of confirming that the files were correctly copied. Mike From stuporglue at gmail.com Thu May 9 00:40:54 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:40:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] find command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > With rsync, is it possible for the process to be killed so that not all of > the files are copied over? I still like the idea of confirming that the > files were correctly copied. Yes, but you can re-run it and it'll only copy the remaining differences over. You can also make it verbose (-v, --verbose) and make it show progress (--progress) as it goes so you can see what's going on Michael Moore -- Support the digitization of the Iron County Miner newspaper archives Like this project on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/digitizeicm From erikerik at gmail.com Thu May 9 00:43:06 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:43:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] find command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > Do you mean that it checks the files during transmission and that it is > impossible for it ever to fail? > It verifies checksums as part of its copy procedure. Sure, it's possible for it to fail mid-transfer, but you just issue the same rsync command again and it'll pick up where it left off. It's for this reason (restarting mid-copy) that I use rsync quite frequently, even when copying file structures around within a single system. > But how do you learn anything by doing it that way? ;-) > True. More seriously, I sometimes have important collections of files (for my > work) that I like to have the md5sums for. If a file is ever corrupted, > I'll be able to tell because I keep that md5sum file. > Sounds like you ought to become familiar with ZFS. :) It does all this (and much, much more) for you automatically and transparently. > With rsync, is it possible for the process to be killed so that not all of > the files are copied over? I still like the idea of confirming that the > files were correctly copied. > Again, as above, just restart the command... -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you make the md5sums on one machine, then copy them to the other machine to check there, you don't have to compute them over again. Also, rsync will just check date stamps and file sizes, not checksums unless you tell it to do so -- I think there's a way to tell it to do so. FYI -- I don't want to lose the point of what I was doing, which was using the file transfer thing as an example to illustrate the use of find with -print0 and xargs with -0. There are a lot of other things that can be done with that tactic. Mike From erikerik at gmail.com Thu May 9 00:50:07 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:50:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] find command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > Also, rsync will just check date stamps and file sizes, not checksums > unless you tell it to do so -- I think there's a way to tell it to do so. $ rsync -c -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Thu May 9 02:23:33 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 02:23:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike my next question is besides my learning the basics of of 'find' 'locate' more grep?' I am very happy you responded thank you for caring enough to take your time to help. By the way the 'find' command is able to delete files marked on date and time as well as locate files within a certain folder 'allowing correct permissions'. Erik are you saying that the command $ rsync is better than say # cp -r > From: tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 6 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:43:37 -0500 > > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. find command (Mike Miller) > 2. Re: find command (Erik Anderson) > 3. Re: Ubuntu 13.04 to be supported for only 9 months (Mike Miller) > 4. Re: find command (Mike Miller) > 5. Re: find command (Michael Moore) > 6. Re: find command (Erik Anderson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:16:18 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mike Miller > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [tclug-list] find command > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2013, Paul graf wrote: > > > I would like to study the 'man find' command with another person 's who > > are interested in the command. Finding files that have been modified and > > sent to folders on a certain date in time. The 'find' command is very > > powerful I believe. I would enjoy a workshop and to listen and be able > > to talk with others 'such as yourself'. I am sorry to not send my > > message clearly I have no formal education. > > First -- for finding files on the system, it is often a lot faster and > easier to use "locate". Check that out. I usually capture the output > from locate using less because sometimes there are a lot more lines than > you would think because every path that includes a string will be show. > > locate whatever | less > > Then I'll use grep commands to limit the results: > > locate -i whatever | grep -i tclug | less > > The -i option makes the command case insensitive. > > > Here is something cool and useful that I do with find. Suppose I have a > directory "foo" and that has a directory tree inside it with thousands of > files. I want to copy it to some other machine, remote_host, and after it > arrives, I want to check that it's all there and unchanged. First I use > find with md5sum to make a file of md5 hashes: > > find foo -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum > foo_md5sums.txt & > > The "-type f" option causes find to list only regular files, then > "-print0" uses null characters instead of newlines to delimit the files in > the output list, but xargs with "-0" option takes that kind of list as > input. The reason for using the nulls instead of newlines is that it > allows xargs to handle properly filenames with spaces. Next I transfer > the file: > > scp -rp foo foo_md5sums.txt remote_host:. > > That's using scp, but there are other ways one might copy files across a > network, or you might even use an external drive, flash drive or DVD to > send files somewhere. Then go to the other machine... > > ssh -X remote_host > > ...and run this check: > > md5sum --check foo_md5sums.txt | grep -v OK$ > > The --check option uses the md5sums file as input and checks every file > listed, which includes every file in the foo directory tree. The grep > command at the end is just deleting all the lines that say the file was > OK. If a file was not present or it didn't match, you will see some > output. > > Mike > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:25:39 -0500 > From: Erik Anderson > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] find command > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > > > Here is something cool and useful that I do with find. Suppose I have a > > directory "foo" and that has a directory tree inside it with thousands of > > files. I want to copy it to some other machine, remote_host, and after it > > arrives, I want to check that it's all there and unchanged. > > > $ rsync > > Will do essentially the same thing, minus all the manifest file > rigamarole... > > -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Which can be a long time and an > expensive process. > Well that's a little defeatist, isn't it? :) ZFS runs happily on FreeBSD (yes, this is a linux list, yadda yadda), and according to the vast majority of ZFS users, it's actually the preferred OS to run it on. Granted, FreeBSD doesn't have as complete hardware support as most Linux distros do, but it's *much* more approachable than Solaris. -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Thu May 9 11:16:58 2013 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:16:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Moment of truth for Ubuntu: end of support for 10.04 desktop Message-ID: <20130509111658.cbab00387763717590bf4151@jasonhsu.com> Support for the last pre-Unity version of Ubuntu ends today. Canonical has ceded its old user base to Linux Mint, which has effectively taken over the role of the old Ubuntu. Time will tell if Unity will be a hit on mobile devices. Taking on Android will be quite an uphill battle. -- Jason Hsu From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu May 9 11:23:20 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 11:23:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Free Stuff - Server Room Purge - Part 1 Message-ID: <518BCD78.1070509@gmail.com> I have a bunch of stuff I have scheduled to be picked up for electronics recycling next week Thursday (16 May), and I thought I'd share what I have with the list in case anyone might want anything. If you are interested in any of this stuff contact me directly off-list at my work email: jedi at grunners.com In the next week or two I will have another large list of things I am getting rid of too, but this is what I have on deck to be dumped. All this stuff is located in Woodbury. 1 x external (SCSI) Ultrium Storage works tape drive (LTO2), External SCSI cable, and a LSI SCSI card model: LSI 20320C-HP ------------------------------- 2 x 3Com 24port managed switches - SuperStack 3 4228G (3C17304) - both come with rack mounts ------------------------------- 1 x KVM switch - 16port - PS2 style - rack mounts included - Also comes with a plethora (>= 16) of heavy duty kvm cables. ------------------------------- 8 x Dell 17" flat screen LCD's (circa 2007 - 2008ish) ------------------------------- 1 x HP ML150 G2 server (sata style) - no drives - 4G ram - Intel Xeon 2 Core Proc (don't remember the exact model or speed) I also have an extra HP 6port raid card for this unit that we ordered once upon a time, and never used. Current unit has a 4-port raid card installed ------------------------------- 2 x Belkin UPS - Model F61500-TW-RK - 1500VA / 830Watts ------------------------------- 1 x Dlink 5 port Ethernet switch - model: DES1105 ------------------------------- 2 x (maybe 3) x DLink 5 port Gigabit switch - model: DGS2205 ------------------------------- 1 x DLink wifi router - model DIR655 ------------------------------- 5 Dell port replicator/docking station - PA-10/PA-13 - model 2U444 A05 ------------------------------- 1 x USB Modem - USRobotics - model USR 5637 ------------------------------- 1 x Mobo Combo - worked when pulled - Intel mobo DH55TC, 4G ram (PC-10666), case plate, Intel i3-Proc 2.93 Ghz - Model: BX8061613530 ------------------------------- 1 x Mobo Combo - worked when pulled - Gigabyte mobo - GA-G41M-ES2L, Intel Pentium Proc. 2.2Ghz - BX80557E220, 4G Ram (2x2048M PC2-5300), case plate, and a couple sata cables ------------------------------- 1 x used Allied 300W ATX power supply ------------------------------- 1 x complete M$ 2003 SBS (4 disks) with 5 user serial + 35 additional CAL's ------------------------------- 1 x Citrix Presentation Server 4.0 disks + Licenses ------------------------------- 1 x Symantec backup Exec 10d - still in box ------------------------------- 1 x never opened - M$ Office: MAC 2008 - Business Edition ------------------------------- 6 Books: SAMS - Exchange 2007 - How To SYBEX - Windows Server 2003 (this sucker is huge, and works fantastic for use as a door stop) M$ SharePoint 2003 for Dummies (03 Share point is inclued in the SBS disks listed above) SYNGRESS - How to cheat at configuring Exchange server 2007 M$ Press - Exchange Server 2007 - Admin's Compnanion SAMS - M$ Exchane 2007 - unleased. From david.nelsen at slingshot-hci.com Thu May 9 11:25:11 2013 From: david.nelsen at slingshot-hci.com (David Nelsen) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:25:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Free Stuff - Server Room Purge - Part 1 In-Reply-To: <518BCD78.1070509@gmail.com> References: <518BCD78.1070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am looking for an enclosed server rack if anyone has one. David Nelsen, BoTG Healthcare Technical Analyst Slingshot Healthcare Informatics Office 651.472.5678 Skype: slingshot.hci On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:23 AM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > I have a bunch of stuff I have scheduled to be picked up for electronics > recycling next week Thursday (16 May), and I thought I'd share what I have > with the list in case anyone might want anything. > > If you are interested in any of this stuff contact me directly off-list at > my work email: jedi at grunners.com > > In the next week or two I will have another large list of things I am > getting rid of too, but this is what I have on deck to be dumped. > > All this stuff is located in Woodbury. > > 1 x external (SCSI) Ultrium Storage works tape drive (LTO2), External SCSI > cable, and a LSI SCSI card model: LSI 20320C-HP > ------------------------------**- > 2 x 3Com 24port managed switches - SuperStack 3 4228G (3C17304) - both > come with rack mounts > ------------------------------**- > 1 x KVM switch - 16port - PS2 style - rack mounts included - Also comes > with a plethora (>= 16) of heavy duty kvm cables. > ------------------------------**- > 8 x Dell 17" flat screen LCD's (circa 2007 - 2008ish) > ------------------------------**- > 1 x HP ML150 G2 server (sata style) - no drives - 4G ram - Intel Xeon 2 > Core Proc (don't remember the exact model or speed) > I also have an extra HP 6port raid card for this unit that we ordered once > upon a time, and never used. Current unit has a 4-port raid card installed > ------------------------------**- > 2 x Belkin UPS - Model F61500-TW-RK - 1500VA / 830Watts > ------------------------------**- > 1 x Dlink 5 port Ethernet switch - model: DES1105 > ------------------------------**- > 2 x (maybe 3) x DLink 5 port Gigabit switch - model: DGS2205 > ------------------------------**- > 1 x DLink wifi router - model DIR655 > ------------------------------**- > 5 Dell port replicator/docking station - PA-10/PA-13 - model 2U444 A05 > ------------------------------**- > 1 x USB Modem - USRobotics - model USR 5637 > ------------------------------**- > 1 x Mobo Combo - worked when pulled - Intel mobo DH55TC, 4G ram > (PC-10666), case plate, Intel i3-Proc 2.93 Ghz - Model: BX8061613530 > ------------------------------**- > 1 x Mobo Combo - worked when pulled - Gigabyte mobo - GA-G41M-ES2L, Intel > Pentium Proc. 2.2Ghz - BX80557E220, 4G Ram (2x2048M PC2-5300), case plate, > and a couple sata cables > ------------------------------**- > 1 x used Allied 300W ATX power supply > ------------------------------**- > 1 x complete M$ 2003 SBS (4 disks) with 5 user serial + 35 additional CAL's > ------------------------------**- > 1 x Citrix Presentation Server 4.0 disks + Licenses > ------------------------------**- > 1 x Symantec backup Exec 10d - still in box > ------------------------------**- > 1 x never opened - M$ Office: MAC 2008 - Business Edition > ------------------------------**- > 6 Books: > SAMS - Exchange 2007 - How To > > SYBEX - Windows Server 2003 (this sucker is huge, and works fantastic for > use as a door stop) > > M$ SharePoint 2003 for Dummies (03 Share point is inclued in the SBS disks > listed above) > > SYNGRESS - How to cheat at configuring Exchange server 2007 > > M$ Press - Exchange Server 2007 - Admin's Compnanion > > SAMS - M$ Exchane 2007 - unleased. > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Been there, done that, got the t-shirt [all shredded]. > ZFS runs happily on FreeBSD (yes, this is a linux list, yadda yadda), and > according to the vast majority of ZFS users, it's actually the preferred OS > to run it on. Granted, FreeBSD doesn't have as complete hardware support as > most Linux distros do, but it's *much* more approachable than Solaris. I'll give it some thought - I am interested in the end-to-end data integrity and the regular scrubs, although due to time pressure I abandoned the DYI for a nice Synology box. Cheers, florin -- Sent from my other microwave oven. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm interested in the LT02 tape drive and one of the 3Com switches. Joseph Key From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu May 9 21:11:42 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 21:11:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Free Stuff - Server Room Purge - Part 1 In-Reply-To: <518C3FA9.3020203@tomobiki.dyndns.org> References: <518BCD78.1070509@gmail.com> <518C3FA9.3020203@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <518C575E.2030709@gmail.com> On 5/9/2013 7:30 PM, Joseph Key wrote:: Hi Joseph, You are the first to request these so they are yours. Call me on my cell 612 850 6940 to discuss pickup arrangements. Thanks! Bob > I'm interested in the LT02 tape drive and one of the 3Com switches. > > Joseph Key > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From galanolwe at yahoo.com Thu May 9 22:10:28 2013 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 20:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] What is xinetd? Message-ID: <1368155428.9915.YahooMailNeo@web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm working with a programming language that wants to use x/inetd. What is it and what is it for? My research says it's for "internet," and then talks above my head. Can anyone explain it in basic terms and give examples of its use? For example, here's one explanation:? xinetd listens for incoming requests over a network and launches the appropriate service for that request.[2] Requests are made using port numbers as identifiers and xinetd usually launches another daemon to handle the request. It can be used to start services with both privileged and non-privileged port numbers. Any "best/typical" uses I could peruse? LB GM,MN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu May 9 22:22:11 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 22:22:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] What is xinetd? In-Reply-To: <1368155428.9915.YahooMailNeo@web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1368155428.9915.YahooMailNeo@web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh my. inetd/xinetd are... or at least USED to be what started up, well, internet services. The idea was that you didn't have individual programs listening on specific ports - you just had inetd running. It'd listen on specified ports and when an incomming connection was made, it'd route it to the correct program. For example, if there was a connection on port 79, it would throw it to finger. Port 23 would get thrown to telnet, 20/21 would go to ftp, etc. On secure systems it is common practice to disable inetd/xinetd... and frankly I'm pretty sure it's dead by default on most modern systems. It's basically a very outdated method of listening for incomming connections. Nowadays most programs/protocols just run their own daemons. inetd is both a security risk and no longer needed because we have plenty of memory/other resources. On Thu, 9 May 2013, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I'm working with a programming language that wants to use x/inetd. What is > it and what is it for? My research says it's for "internet," and then talks > above my head. Can anyone explain it in basic terms and give examples of its > use? For example, here's one explanation:? > > xinetd listens for incoming requests over a network and launches the > appropriate service for that request.[2] Requests are made using port > numbers as identifiers and xinetd usually launches another daemon to handle > the request. It can be used to start services with both privileged and > non-privileged port numbers. > > Any "best/typical" uses I could peruse? > > LB > GM,MN > > From florin at iucha.net Thu May 9 23:15:38 2013 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 23:15:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] What is xinetd? In-Reply-To: References: <1368155428.9915.YahooMailNeo@web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20130510041537.GC19193@signbit.net> On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 10:22:11PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > inetd/xinetd are... or at least USED to be what started up, well, > internet services. The idea was that you didn't have individual > programs listening on specific ports - you just had inetd running. > It'd listen on specified ports and when an incomming connection was > made, it'd route it to the correct program. > > For example, if there was a connection on port 79, it would throw it > to finger. Port 23 would get thrown to telnet, 20/21 would go to > ftp, etc. > > On secure systems it is common practice to disable inetd/xinetd... > and frankly I'm pretty sure it's dead by default on most modern > systems. It's basically a very outdated method of listening for > incomming connections. Why is it outdated? > Nowadays most programs/protocols just run > their own daemons. inetd is both a security risk Not necessarily, with the proper SELinux domain enforcement it can be as secure as starting daemons from init. > and no longer > needed because we have plenty of memory/other resources. We might have that, once the system gets to steady state. But, why should I wait for init to spawn all those services, when I want to get first to the desktop? Or to some other service that is critical, and I just rebooted the machine for an update. What goes around, comes around. Behold, systemd! Cheers, florin -- Sent from my other microwave oven. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri May 10 00:59:34 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 00:59:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would like to ask a question about network traffic behind a wireless nat firewalled router the pc is running Linux Mint 13. What is this Mate System Monitor CPU usage meaning? I never have had outbound network traffic on this machine on a home network with Ubuntu 10.04. I am sorry for being a noob but this question is important to me and I have tried asking some questions in the forums. I seem to get a lag time if I ever play Nexuiz which is rare. The connection to my wireless router is good 76% and I have nothing else running in the background. My concern is 'What and why is this outbound traffic showing up in Network Monitor meaning? Are packets being sent to places for some reason.. Please give me some pointers. Thank You, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Fri May 10 15:40:50 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 15:40:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Paul graf wrote: > My concern is 'What and why is this outbound traffic showing up in Network > Monitor meaning? Are packets being sent to places for some reason.. 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URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri May 10 17:07:55 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:07:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Files, Checksums, Filesystems Was: find command In-Reply-To: <20130509165954.GB19193@signbit.net> References: <20130509135540.GA19193@signbit.net> <20130509165954.GB19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 May 2013, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 10:09:55AM -0500, Erik Anderson wrote: >> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: >> >>> The only way this is 'automatic and transparent' is if you buy a >>> server from Oracle with Solaris preinstalled and support paid off. >>> >>> Otherwise, you'll fiddle with hardware components or virtual drivers >>> until you get Solaris happy. Which can be a long time and an >>> expensive process. >> >> Well that's a little defeatist, isn't it? :) > > No, just battle scarr?ed. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt [all > shredded]. I'm done with Solaris, too. I used administered a Solaris box or two from the mid-90s until about 5 years ago. Linux is just too much easier. >> ZFS runs happily on FreeBSD (yes, this is a linux list, yadda yadda), >> and according to the vast majority of ZFS users, it's actually the >> preferred OS to run it on. Granted, FreeBSD doesn't have as complete >> hardware support as most Linux distros do, but it's *much* more >> approachable than Solaris. > > I'll give it some thought - I am interested in the end-to-end data > integrity and the regular scrubs, although due to time pressure I > abandoned the DYI for a nice Synology box. It looks like there is some progress on getting ZFS working on Linux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Linux One of the biggest problems is incompatible licensing. The ZFS CDDL is not compatible with GPL. It seems that the problem is this part of the CDDL: "Any litigation relating to this License shall be subject to the jurisdiction of the courts located in the jurisdiction and venue specified in a notice contained within the Original Software, with the losing party responsible for costs, including, without limitation, court costs and reasonable attorneys fees and expenses." I have to say that I am glad someone is serious about data integrity issues because this limitation of our filesystems has been worrying me a little bit. I had heard of ZFS but didn't know this is its main focus. Protecting the integrity of the data should be a high priority. More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Features Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri May 10 17:18:15 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:18:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] What is xinetd? In-Reply-To: <1368155428.9915.YahooMailNeo@web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1368155428.9915.YahooMailNeo@web160305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 May 2013, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I'm working with a programming language that wants to use x/inetd. What > is it and what is it for? My research says it's for "internet," and then > talks above my head. Can anyone explain it in basic terms and give > examples of its use? For example, here's one explanation:? > > xinetd listens for incoming requests over a network and launches the > appropriate service for that request.[2] Requests are made using port > numbers as identifiers and xinetd usually launches another daemon to > handle the request. It can be used to start services with both > privileged and non-privileged port numbers. > > Any "best/typical" uses I could peruse? I haven't used it for Xvnc, but I think that is one of the things that some people have been doing. I don't use it because I just keep an Xvnc session always running. With xinetd, it will startup an Xvnc session in response to the connection (or so I believe). Anyway, here's something: http://wwerther.de/2011/08/xvncxinetd/ I'm not sure of how they deal with security issues (haven't read it). I use Xvnc, but only allow connections from localhost, then I use ssh port-forwarding to make a tunnel for the vnc connection. Example: #!/bin/bash ssh -f -L 25901:127.0.0.1:5901 me at my.box sleep 1 vncviewer -FullScreen -FullColor 127.0.0.1::25901 &> /dev/null & Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri May 10 17:24:34 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:24:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] digests and subject lines Message-ID: You're driving me crazy. It's also bad for the online archives. You want to use good subject lines. See below. Please, *never* include an entire digest in a reply. Always trim out irrelevant stuff from previous messages. The archives will have all the old messages, so you don't need to quote them extensively. Mike Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:24:21 From: Mike Miller To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 97, Issue 35 Regarding digests -- I have subscribed to digests (not here) and was able to receive MIME digests and reply to an individual message (e.g., using [al]pine). That's nice. But if people can't do that, or cope with individual messages (I use procmail filtering), then they really ought to do this: (1) change the subject of your reply to match the subject of the message you are replying to. Otherwise the subject (like this one) tells us nothing. (2) Please, please, do not leave the entire digest dangling below your message (or sitting above it, if bottom posting). That's just rude and wrong and it makes a mess of the archive and of web searches. Just trim your reply to leave only the relevant part. We should all do this, always. Mike On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Erik Mitchell wrote: > You might prefer to switch away from receiving digest emails. There > aren't too many emails on this list, so getting them one by one is > manageable. A benefit is that you can reply to individual emails more > precisely. > > To modify your options enter your email address in the field at the > bottom of this page, > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > You'll need to provide your password, or use the password reminder > thing, and walk through that whole jazz. From erikerik at gmail.com Fri May 10 20:43:48 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 20:43:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Files, Checksums, Filesystems Was: find command In-Reply-To: References: <20130509135540.GA19193@signbit.net> <20130509165954.GB19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > It looks like there is some progress on getting ZFS working on Linux: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**ZFS#Linux > It "works", but if you value your data, I'd run ZFS on *BSD for a few more years and give the ZFS on Linux project some time to mature and stabilize. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri May 10 22:37:36 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 22:37:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Files, Checksums, Filesystems Was: find command In-Reply-To: References: <20130509135540.GA19193@signbit.net> <20130509165954.GB19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 May 2013, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> It looks like there is some progress on getting ZFS working on Linux: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**ZFS#Linux >> > > It "works", but if you value your data, I'd run ZFS on *BSD for a few > more years and give the ZFS on Linux project some time to mature and > stabilize. Do you do RAIDs with it? Maybe the most awesome thing would be a big array of SSD drives with ZFS. Mike From tlunde at gmail.com Fri May 10 23:00:24 2013 From: tlunde at gmail.com (Thomas Lunde) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 23:00:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Files, Checksums, Filesystems Was: find command In-Reply-To: References: <20130509135540.GA19193@signbit.net> <20130509165954.GB19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: <7884407F-4DBC-4D3E-9F61-6E6AA637D7C3@gmail.com> I've been running ZFS on Ubuntu for months now in a raidz2 configuration. One array has 6 drives. A different box started with 9 drives, but I recently added a SSD as a zlog drive. Each group of drives is a "vdev" (virtual device). There's a guy whose posts are syndicated to Planet Ubuntu that has a dozen part series on zfs for Linux. That series is a great place to learn. I'm very happy with the end to end checksumming. And, having been burned by raid rebuild times in the past, I've been happy with its ability to keep chugging along even as I've had multiple drives fall out of the array and even while it has been rebuilding itself after I've replaced the drive. Raid -- even raidz -- isn't a backup. But I've been really happy so far, once I understood its performance characteristics. You _really_ want to use an SSD as a logging device. Each vdev in a raidZ will have the iops of a single device. If it does not have a logging device, that'll be the iops of a single hard drive. But, with a SSD logging device, I'm getting many multiples of that. Yes, it's not as fast as if it was all SSDs. On the other hand, 14T of useable SSD space would be cost prohibitive for home use. Thomas On May 10, 2013, at 10:37 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Fri, 10 May 2013, Erik Anderson wrote: > >> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> >>> It looks like there is some progress on getting ZFS working on Linux: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**ZFS#Linux >> >> It "works", but if you value your data, I'd run ZFS on *BSD for a few more years and give the ZFS on Linux project some time to mature and stabilize. > > Do you do RAIDs with it? Maybe the most awesome thing would be a big array of SSD drives with ZFS. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sat May 11 17:09:51 2013 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 17:09:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Start seeing motorcycles Message-ID: I'm dismayed by the accidental killing of a motorcyclist by the Minneapolis Police yesterday when they were responding to an emergency situation. This is not serving and protecting the public in my view. I wonder if someone hit the panic button too soon. Was more than one officer authorized to run traffic lights and speed to the scene? -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Sat May 11 19:15:43 2013 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 19:15:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Start seeing motorcycles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think it's important to understand that the officer involved was responding to a call of "shots fired, officer down," which is one of the most terrifying situations that a police officer can experience. I am sure that the response that was underway was justified and that the ensuing investigation will report the same. In this type of situation I believe all units are authorized to respond to the scene. It was a terrible incident that took place this week. The death of the motorcyclist, and injury to his passenger, was a tragic event. I don't believe that it was due to any negligence on the part of the police. -Erik On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > I'm dismayed by the accidental killing of a motorcyclist by the > Minneapolis Police yesterday when they were responding to > an emergency situation. This is not serving and protecting the > public in my view. I wonder if someone hit the panic button > too soon. Was more than one officer authorized to run traffic > lights and speed to the scene? > > -- > Brian Wood > Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From rbrown at rawmindz.com Sat May 11 20:50:58 2013 From: rbrown at rawmindz.com (Robert Brown) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 20:50:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Start seeing motorcycles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Erik, no. By the time that squad car was responding the suspect was already dead. This happened a block away from where I live. This type of response is reckless. Hitting that motorcyclist was a mistake and the crazed response was not warranted. By the time that line of squad cards flew down the street there was no longer any threat. They hit a citizen in service of an overreaching solidarity with fellow officials. Said solidarity may be a benefit, but not reckless response. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > I think it's important to understand that the officer involved was > responding to a call of "shots fired, officer down," which is one of > the most terrifying situations that a police officer can experience. I > am sure that the response that was underway was justified and that the > ensuing investigation will report the same. In this type of situation > I believe all units are authorized to respond to the scene. > > It was a terrible incident that took place this week. The death of the > motorcyclist, and injury to his passenger, was a tragic event. I don't > believe that it was due to any negligence on the part of the police. > > -Erik > > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > > I'm dismayed by the accidental killing of a motorcyclist by the > > Minneapolis Police yesterday when they were responding to > > an emergency situation. This is not serving and protecting the > > public in my view. I wonder if someone hit the panic button > > too soon. Was more than one officer authorized to run traffic > > lights and speed to the scene? > > > > -- > > Brian Wood > > Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Sat May 11 21:18:13 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 21:18:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Start seeing motorcycles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7DB7DC35-E20D-4A83-81B3-67185002DEE8@me.com> Why isn't this tagged as OFF TOPIC? I'm with Erik. That's all I will say about this. Heads up driving TO EVERYONE OUT THERE. Sirens mean bull over and stop. -- Ryan Coleman ryanjcole at me.com m. 651.373.5015 o. 612.568.2749 On May 11, 2013, at 20:50, Robert Brown wrote: > Erik, no. By the time that squad car was responding the suspect was already dead. This happened a block away from where I live. This type of response is reckless. Hitting that motorcyclist was a mistake and the crazed response was not warranted. By the time that line of squad cards flew down the street there was no longer any threat. They hit a citizen in service of an overreaching solidarity with fellow officials. Said solidarity may be a benefit, but not reckless response. > > > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> I think it's important to understand that the officer involved was >> responding to a call of "shots fired, officer down," which is one of >> the most terrifying situations that a police officer can experience. I >> am sure that the response that was underway was justified and that the >> ensuing investigation will report the same. In this type of situation >> I believe all units are authorized to respond to the scene. >> >> It was a terrible incident that took place this week. The death of the >> motorcyclist, and injury to his passenger, was a tragic event. I don't >> believe that it was due to any negligence on the part of the police. >> >> -Erik >> >> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Brian Wood wrote: >> > I'm dismayed by the accidental killing of a motorcyclist by the >> > Minneapolis Police yesterday when they were responding to >> > an emergency situation. This is not serving and protecting the >> > public in my view. I wonder if someone hit the panic button >> > too soon. Was more than one officer authorized to run traffic >> > lights and speed to the scene? >> > >> > -- >> > Brian Wood >> > Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Erik K. 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URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Sat May 11 21:19:01 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 21:19:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Start seeing motorcycles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8544F5B0-A07E-4EF6-97E9-D77BA454951A@me.com> +1 On May 11, 2013, at 18:04, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Brian Wood wrote: >> I'm dismayed by the accidental killing of a motorcyclist by the >> Minneapolis Police yesterday when they were responding to >> an emergency situation. This is not serving and protecting the >> public in my view. I wonder if someone hit the panic button >> too soon. Was more than one officer authorized to run traffic >> lights and speed to the scene? > > > While I (and I'm sure many others) share your concern, this list is *most certainly* not the place to discuss such things. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Tue May 14 11:50:24 2013 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:50:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Simpler than BMI Message-ID: Mike Miller: >On Tue, 15 May 2012, Brian Wood wrote: > >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9260091/Forget-BMI-just-measure-your- waist-and-height-say-scientists.html > > > Thanks, Brian! I did a little searching around for info about > waist-to-height ratio (WHR) and how it compares with body mass index (BMI) > as a predictor of various disease outcomes and mortality for different age > groups, etc. It looks WHR does not work better for children. But it may > be better for predicting cardiovascular disease in adults. The > correlation of WHR with BMI is about .9, though, so they aren't very > different. > This seems to indicate there is a difference: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10054519/Waist-to-height-ratio-more-accurate-than-BMI.html -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the L-rd delivers him from them all. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue May 14 19:50:46 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:50:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Simpler than BMI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 14 May 2013, Brian Wood wrote: > Mike Miller: > >> On Tue, 15 May 2012, Brian Wood wrote: >> >>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9260091/Forget-BMI-just-measure-your-waist-and-height-say-scientists.html >> >> >> Thanks, Brian! I did a little searching around for info about >> waist-to-height ratio (WHR) and how it compares with body mass index >> (BMI) as a predictor of various disease outcomes and mortality for >> different age groups, etc. It looks WHR does not work better for >> children. But it may be better for predicting cardiovascular disease >> in adults. The correlation of WHR with BMI is about .9, though, so >> they aren't very different. >> > > This seems to indicate there is a difference: > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10054519/Waist-to-height-ratio-more-accurate-than-BMI.html I wasn't saying that there was no difference, just that it is a small difference, and that the literature I reviewed at the time found the small difference for adults and not for children. A woman named Ashwell, cited in the newspaper article you shared, has links to her papers here: http://www.ashwell.uk.com/publications.htm The most recent one, Obes Rev 2012;13:275-286, claims to show in meta-analysis that "Compared with BMI, WC improved discrimination of adverse outcomes by 3% (P < 0.05)" which isn't exactly overwhelming in a total sample of 300,000 people. Like I said, they correlate about .9, so they are almost the same thing. The advantage of WtHR is probably that it doesn't mislead when people vary a lot in muscle mass. A disadvantage is that the waist isn't very easy to measure. WtHR will not replace BMI because it requires that the waist be measured, which isn't even as easy as it sounds, and waist measurement is not available in many data sets where height and weight are available (e.g., drivers license records). For research where data is being collected from individuals (not from publica databases) and the individual has to go to a nurse or doctor for assessment, there are even better ways to measure adiposity than either WtHR or BMI. Mike From pj.world at hotmail.com Thu May 16 01:11:34 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 01:11:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 15:40:50 -0500 > From: Erik Anderson > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 9 > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Paul graf wrote: > > > My concern is 'What and why is this outbound traffic showing up in Network > > Monitor meaning? Are packets being sent to places for some reason.. Please > > give me some pointers. > > > Install Wireshark, fire it up, and start a packet capture. 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URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Thu May 16 01:19:02 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 01:19:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:07:55 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mike Miller > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Files, Checksums, Filesystems Was: find > command > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Thu, 9 May 2013, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 10:09:55AM -0500, Erik Anderson wrote: > >> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: > >> > >>> The only way this is 'automatic and transparent' is if you buy a > >>> server from Oracle with Solaris preinstalled and support paid off. > >>> > >>> Otherwise, you'll fiddle with hardware components or virtual drivers > >>> until you get Solaris happy. Which can be a long time and an > >>> expensive process. > >> > >> Well that's a little defeatist, isn't it? :) > > > > No, just battle scarr?ed. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt [all > > shredded]. > > I'm done with Solaris, too. I used administered a Solaris box or two from > the mid-90s until about 5 years ago. Linux is just too much easier. > > > >> ZFS runs happily on FreeBSD (yes, this is a linux list, yadda yadda), > >> and according to the vast majority of ZFS users, it's actually the > >> preferred OS to run it on. Granted, FreeBSD doesn't have as complete > >> hardware support as most Linux distros do, but it's *much* more > >> approachable than Solaris. > > > > I'll give it some thought - I am interested in the end-to-end data > > integrity and the regular scrubs, although due to time pressure I > > abandoned the DYI for a nice Synology box. > > It looks like there is some progress on getting ZFS working on Linux: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Linux > > One of the biggest problems is incompatible licensing. The ZFS CDDL is > not compatible with GPL. It seems that the problem is this part of the > CDDL: > > "Any litigation relating to this License shall be subject to the > jurisdiction of the courts located in the jurisdiction and venue specified > in a notice contained within the Original Software, with the losing party > responsible for costs, including, without limitation, court costs and > reasonable attorneys fees and expenses." > > I have to say that I am glad someone is serious about data integrity > issues because this limitation of our filesystems has been worrying me a > little bit. I had heard of ZFS but didn't know this is its main focus. > Protecting the integrity of the data should be a high priority. More: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Features > > Mike > > > ------------------------------ Mike have you ever used 'opendiana' I am curious about that operating system as well as 'Solaris'. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu May 16 06:51:17 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 06:51:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Free Stuff - Server Room Purge - Part 1 In-Reply-To: <518BCD78.1070509@gmail.com> References: <518BCD78.1070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5194C835.9020809@gmail.com> On 5/9/2013 11:23 AM, B-o-B De Mars wrote:: > I have a bunch of stuff I have scheduled to be picked up for electronics > recycling next week Thursday (16 May), and I thought I'd share what I > have with the list in case anyone might want anything. > I just wanted to let you all know that just about everything has been picked up. I received a lot of emails, and I tried to be fair (first reply/first arrival). If I didn't reply to you it just meant there were several others in line already for that item(s). I worked my way down the list this way. I should have another round of stuff in a week or so. Thanks! Mr.B-o-B From erikerik at gmail.com Thu May 16 08:06:20 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 08:06:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Paul graf wrote: > -Erik I have installed wireshark and I see alot of outbound traffic now on > this Linux Mint 13 based computer. What can I be looking for as far as a > leak here? Well, now you can see that packets *are* indeed being sent out by this system. Wireshark will list the destination IP address for each packet, along with the destination port and protocol if it can determine that. In order to determine what the nature of this traffic is, you'll need to take this information and do some research. Run a `whois` on the destination IP, which will return the owner of that netblock. This may give you an idea as to the nature of the traffic. Also, if the traffic is unencrypted, you can look at the packet contents and see exactly what's going on - for instance, for cleartext HTTP, you could see HTTP requests and the subsequent reply. I believe that, by default, wireshark will not capture entire packets, though you can configure it to do so. Learning how to interpret packet captures is not an easy thing to do, but don't get yourself in a hurry. Start looking through the data, and when you see something that you don't understand, go research it and see what you can figure out. -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu May 16 10:11:15 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 10:11:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OpenIndiana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > Mike have you ever used 'opendiana' I am curious about that operating > system as well as 'Solaris'. No. In fact, I hadn't even heard of it. Maybe that's because I've been using Linux instead of Solaris for several years and really not thinking about going back. Solaris was a more stable solution, but Linux is really stable, too. If you really need something that's always on, never failing, a Solaris server might be better for you than a Linux server. It's not a big enough difference to matter to me, though, and the advantages of Linux are more important to me. Mike From mgreenly at gmail.com Thu May 16 10:45:03 2013 From: mgreenly at gmail.com (Michael Greenly) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 10:45:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenIndiana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have no experience with openindiana but I have recently spent some time playing with http://smartos.org/. My interest is in using it as a hypervisor to run zoned clients / vms on zfs. I don't have enough experience with yet to really comment much beyond saying I'm still very intrigued. Although I have to admit there is a really good chance I'll just fall back to linux containers and kvm because that's what I'm more familiar with. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Thu, 16 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > > Mike have you ever used 'opendiana' I am curious about that operating >> system as well as 'Solaris'. >> > > No. In fact, I hadn't even heard of it. Maybe that's because I've been > using Linux instead of Solaris for several years and really not thinking > about going back. > > Solaris was a more stable solution, but Linux is really stable, too. If > you really need something that's always on, never failing, a Solaris server > might be better for you than a Linux server. It's not a big enough > difference to matter to me, though, and the advantages of Linux are more > important to me. > > Mike > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Michael Greenly http://logic-refinery.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Thu May 16 11:24:39 2013 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 11:24:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenIndiana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > Mike have you ever used 'opendiana' I am curious about that operating system as well as 'Solaris'. I tinkered with OpenIndiana for a weekend once. It essentially is Solaris for the post-Oracle-takeover world unless you feel especially inclined to shell out your money to Oracle. I can see how they'd be attractive to organizations already running Solaris stuff, but honestly I don't see any reason to choose it over Linux for anything new. ZFS is somewhat interesting, but not interesting enough for me to use a different platform. - Tony > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu May 16 13:29:07 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 13:29:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OpenIndiana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 May 2013, Tony Yarusso wrote: > On Thu, 16 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > >> Mike have you ever used 'opendiana' I am curious about that operating >> system as well as 'Solaris'. > > I tinkered with OpenIndiana for a weekend once. It essentially is > Solaris for the post-Oracle-takeover world unless you feel especially > inclined to shell out your money to Oracle. I can see how they'd be > attractive to organizations already running Solaris stuff, but honestly > I don't see any reason to choose it over Linux for anything new. ZFS is > somewhat interesting, but not interesting enough for me to use a > different platform. For me one of the biggest issues was with software availability and packages. When I started using Solaris (really SunOS) there was no Linux, and in my line of work Solaris was pretty popular so people made sure their code could compile on Solaris or they'd make binaries available. Over the years, that has changed completely so that now Linux is the one to use and Solaris takes a back seat or worse. It also turned out that many Solaris utilities (fmt, awk, sed, date, sort) were massively inferior to the GNU versions or had serious bugs (that were not fixed after years of waiting), so we were always using the GNU versions on Solaris and calling them by a different name (e.g., gfmt, gawk, gsed, gdate, gsort). Mike From kc0iog at gmail.com Thu May 16 22:17:52 2013 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 22:17:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenIndiana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Thu, 16 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > >> Mike have you ever used 'opendiana' I am curious about that operating >> system as well as 'Solaris'. > > > No. In fact, I hadn't even heard of it. Maybe that's because I've been > using Linux instead of Solaris for several years and really not thinking > about going back. OpenIndiana is the rebirth of OpenSolaris after Oracle bought Sun. I use it for tinkering (I work in a Solaris shop) but I've never used it for any real production work. Unless you NEED Solaris for some reason (dtrace has been previously discussed) there's little reason to switch from linux. ZFS is readily available in Debian, just install the zfs-fuse package and you can tinker with it. I prefer ZFS over mdraid/LVM because it seems to be more robust and much easier to manage. The downside, of course, is that it's closed source courtesy of Oracle so you have to assess your priorities. I run ZFS on my linux virtualization server and I think it's awesome, of course YMMV. I think it ROCKS that in the technology age we live in, is how easy it is to spin up a test machine and tinker. So, if you're thinking of trying something new... well, go for it! Brian From mgreenly at gmail.com Fri May 17 08:03:26 2013 From: mgreenly at gmail.com (Michael Greenly) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 08:03:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenIndiana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been using native ZFS on Linux without issue. They have packages for most major distributions as well. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Brian Wall wrote: > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Mike Miller > wrote: > > On Thu, 16 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > > > >> Mike have you ever used 'opendiana' I am curious about that operating > >> system as well as 'Solaris'. > > > > > > No. In fact, I hadn't even heard of it. Maybe that's because I've been > > using Linux instead of Solaris for several years and really not thinking > > about going back. > > OpenIndiana is the rebirth of OpenSolaris after Oracle bought Sun. I > use it for tinkering (I work in a Solaris shop) but I've never used it > for any real production work. Unless you NEED Solaris for some reason > (dtrace has been previously discussed) there's little reason to switch > from linux. ZFS is readily available in Debian, just install the > zfs-fuse package and you can tinker with it. I prefer ZFS over > mdraid/LVM because it seems to be more robust and much easier to > manage. The downside, of course, is that it's closed source courtesy > of Oracle so you have to assess your priorities. I run ZFS on my > linux virtualization server and I think it's awesome, of course YMMV. > > I think it ROCKS that in the technology age we live in, is how easy it > is to spin up a test machine and tinker. So, if you're thinking of > trying something new... well, go for it! > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Michael Greenly http://logic-refinery.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri May 17 11:23:50 2013 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 11:23:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenIndiana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51965996.6040602@Goecke-Dolan.com> I would like to learn more about ZFS... Would someone be willing to talk about ZFS, and or ZFS on Linux, at the Penguins Unbound Meeting June 1st (meeting date moved because of Memorial Day). ==>brian. On 05/17/2013 08:03 AM, Michael Greenly wrote: > I've been using native ZFS on Linux without > issue. They have packages for most major distributions as well. > > > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Brian Wall > wrote: > > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Mike Miller > wrote: > > On Thu, 16 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > > > >> Mike have you ever used 'opendiana' I am curious about that > operating > >> system as well as 'Solaris'. > > > > > > No. In fact, I hadn't even heard of it. Maybe that's because > I've been > > using Linux instead of Solaris for several years and really not > thinking > > about going back. > > OpenIndiana is the rebirth of OpenSolaris after Oracle bought Sun. I > use it for tinkering (I work in a Solaris shop) but I've never used it > for any real production work. Unless you NEED Solaris for some reason > (dtrace has been previously discussed) there's little reason to switch > from linux. ZFS is readily available in Debian, just install the > zfs-fuse package and you can tinker with it. I prefer ZFS over > mdraid/LVM because it seems to be more robust and much easier to > manage. The downside, of course, is that it's closed source courtesy > of Oracle so you have to assess your priorities. I run ZFS on my > linux virtualization server and I think it's awesome, of course YMMV. > > I think it ROCKS that in the technology age we live in, is how easy it > is to spin up a test machine and tinker. So, if you're thinking of > trying something new... well, go for it! > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > Michael Greenly > http://logic-refinery.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kc0iog at gmail.com Sat May 18 08:21:59 2013 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 08:21:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenIndiana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Michael Greenly wrote: > I've been using native ZFS on Linux without issue. They have packages for > most major distributions as well. Neat.. does that imply that I could run my root partition as ZFS? One of the down sides to running zfs-fuse is of course that it can only support userland ZFS. Brian From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Sat May 18 09:10:32 2013 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 09:10:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenIndiana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes you can use ZFS on the root partition. I imagine you could build the module on most distros, and work to include the module in the custom module in the kernel. On Arch it needs a ZFS hook for the root partition for native ZFS. -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Brian Wall wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Michael Greenly wrote: >> I've been using native ZFS on Linux without issue. They have packages for >> most major distributions as well. > > Neat.. does that imply that I could run my root partition as ZFS? One > of the down sides to running zfs-fuse is of course that it can only > support userland ZFS. > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat May 18 12:22:14 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:22:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever Message-ID: I have a few users on a box at work. Some are not active. I'm also about to move everything to a new machine. This is the stupid thing I did. The hard drive was full so I needed to make some space. I copied files from /home/marc to another machine and then was going to remove /home/marc. So I did this... cd /home/marc sudo rm -rf * <-- that would have been OK, but I killed that command cd .. sudo rm -rf marc <-- what I intended to do, which would have been fine sudo rm -rf * <-- what I did instead That would have wiped every file out of /home if I hadn't realized almost instantly what I had done. So I hit Ctrl-C a couple of times fast and looked at the damage. Nothing was lost except for all of the files for the user whose name was first in alphabetical order. All 858 MB of files. Luckily, this user was probably just using the account to transfer files between other machines on a firewalled network, so it might not be a big deal, but I'm not sure. I consider myself lucky that I stopped it quickly, but that doesn't help him because his files are all gone. Yikes. I'll bet you know you should be careful with this command: sudo rm -rf * That's like the most dangerous command there is, except maybe for this one: sudo rm -rf /* But we don't use that command in real life, just a joke for noobs. Mike From jus at krytosvirus.com Sat May 18 12:43:04 2013 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:43:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever Message-ID: <2wlrve5dltvwevpf20ma21k3.1368898984755@email.android.com> The glory of sudo allows you to granularly deny certain uses of commands mixed with certain arguments/options. I am sure I read a document online a few years back on the subject of safe sudo practices. I had developed a nice sudoers file for use on an email server system shortly after a colleague accidentally ran a similar command at the root level of the mailbox directory.? -------- Original message -------- From: Mike Miller Date: To: TCLUG List Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever I have a few users on a box at work.? Some are not active.? I'm also about to move everything to a new machine. This is the stupid thing I did.? The hard drive was full so I needed to make some space.? I copied files from /home/marc to another machine and then was going to remove /home/marc.? So I did this... cd /home/marc sudo rm -rf *? <-- that would have been OK, but I killed that command cd .. sudo rm -rf marc? <-- what I intended to do, which would have been fine sudo rm -rf *? <-- what I did instead That would have wiped every file out of /home if I hadn't realized almost instantly what I had done.? So I hit Ctrl-C a couple of times fast and looked at the damage.? Nothing was lost except for all of the files for the user whose name was first in alphabetical order.? All 858 MB of files. Luckily, this user was probably just using the account to transfer files between other machines on a firewalled network, so it might not be a big deal, but I'm not sure. I consider myself lucky that I stopped it quickly, but that doesn't help him because his files are all gone. Yikes.? I'll bet you know you should be careful with this command: sudo rm -rf * That's like the most dangerous command there is, except maybe for this one: sudo rm -rf /* But we don't use that command in real life, just a joke for noobs. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmore at starmind.org Sat May 18 12:28:01 2013 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:28:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On VMS, you can configure a system to make auto-backups. It does this by placing a semicolon at the end of each file and having a number increment each time the file is saved. Thus, you can get listings like: thesis.txt;1 thesis.txt;2 thesis.txt;3 joke.txt;1 paper.doc;1 paper.doc;2 While in college, I was working the lab and a user came in asking for help with his account. It was full and he couldn't save the latest revision of his paper. I was already working two calls, so when he asked "how do I remove files from my account", I answered without thinking: " DELETE *.*;* " In about twenty seconds, I realized my mistake, but the damage was done. His files were all gone, during finals week, and I didn't have access to the backup system to restore them. Oops. -Josh On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > I have a few users on a box at work. Some are not active. I'm also about > to move everything to a new machine. > > This is the stupid thing I did. The hard drive was full so I needed to > make some space. I copied files from /home/marc to another machine and > then was going to remove /home/marc. So I did this... > > cd /home/marc > sudo rm -rf * <-- that would have been OK, but I killed that command > cd .. > sudo rm -rf marc <-- what I intended to do, which would have been fine > sudo rm -rf * <-- what I did instead > > That would have wiped every file out of /home if I hadn't realized almost > instantly what I had done. So I hit Ctrl-C a couple of times fast and > looked at the damage. Nothing was lost except for all of the files for the > user whose name was first in alphabetical order. All 858 MB of files. > > Luckily, this user was probably just using the account to transfer files > between other machines on a firewalled network, so it might not be a big > deal, but I'm not sure. > > I consider myself lucky that I stopped it quickly, but that doesn't help > him because his files are all gone. > > Yikes. I'll bet you know you should be careful with this command: > > sudo rm -rf * > > That's like the most dangerous command there is, except maybe for this one: > > sudo rm -rf /* > > But we don't use that command in real life, just a joke for noobs. > > Mike > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com Sat May 18 13:12:09 2013 From: bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 13:12:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever In-Reply-To: <2wlrve5dltvwevpf20ma21k3.1368898984755@email.android.com> References: <2wlrve5dltvwevpf20ma21k3.1368898984755@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5197C479.1000101@gmail.com> On 2013.05.18 12:43, Justin Krejci wrote: > The glory of sudo allows you to granularly deny certain uses of commands mixed with certain arguments/options. I am sure I read a document > online a few years back on the subject of safe sudo practices. I had developed a nice sudoers file for use on an email server system shortly > after a colleague accidentally ran a similar command at the root level of the mailbox directory. This is really the whole point of sudo, and it's nice to see someone using it properly. Why some people think it's a good idea to use it to grant a user full root access still escapes me. It seems like a great tool intended to greatly enhance security is now being used mostly to degrade it. From mgreenly at gmail.com Sat May 18 14:52:50 2013 From: mgreenly at gmail.com (Michael Greenly) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 14:52:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever In-Reply-To: <5197C479.1000101@gmail.com> References: <2wlrve5dltvwevpf20ma21k3.1368898984755@email.android.com> <5197C479.1000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've certainly had near close calls like that myself. Reading this is making me consider using zfs (or maybe btrfs) on everything except /boot just for the convenience of easy snapshots. A quick snapshot before potentially destructive actions would be an easy habit to get into. On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: > On 2013.05.18 12:43, Justin Krejci wrote: > > The glory of sudo allows you to granularly deny certain uses of commands > mixed with certain arguments/options. I am sure I read a document > > online a few years back on the subject of safe sudo practices. I had > developed a nice sudoers file for use on an email server system shortly > > after a colleague accidentally ran a similar command at the root level > of the mailbox directory. > This is really the whole point of sudo, and it's nice to see someone using > it properly. Why some people think it's a good idea to use it to > grant a user full root access still escapes me. It seems like a great tool > intended to greatly enhance security is now being used mostly to > degrade it. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Michael Greenly http://logic-refinery.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever (Justin Krejci) > 3. Re: worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever (Josh More) > 4. Re: worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever (Andrew Berg) > 5. Re: worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever (Michael Greenly) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:22:14 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mike Miller > To: TCLUG List > Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > I have a few users on a box at work. Some are not active. I'm also about > to move everything to a new machine. > > This is the stupid thing I did. The hard drive was full so I needed to > make some space. I copied files from /home/marc to another machine and > then was going to remove /home/marc. So I did this... > > cd /home/marc > sudo rm -rf * <-- that would have been OK, but I killed that command > cd .. > sudo rm -rf marc <-- what I intended to do, which would have been fine > sudo rm -rf * <-- what I did instead > > That would have wiped every file out of /home if I hadn't realized almost > instantly what I had done. So I hit Ctrl-C a couple of times fast and > looked at the damage. Nothing was lost except for all of the files for > the user whose name was first in alphabetical order. All 858 MB of files. > > Luckily, this user was probably just using the account to transfer files > between other machines on a firewalled network, so it might not be a big > deal, but I'm not sure. > > I consider myself lucky that I stopped it quickly, but that doesn't help > him because his files are all gone. > > Yikes. I'll bet you know you should be careful with this command: > > sudo rm -rf * > > That's like the most dangerous command there is, except maybe for this > one: > > sudo rm -rf /* > > But we don't use that command in real life, just a joke for noobs. > > Mike > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:43:04 -0500 > From: Justin Krejci > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > Message-ID: <2wlrve5dltvwevpf20ma21k3.1368898984755 at email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The glory of sudo allows you to granularly deny certain uses of commands mixed with certain arguments/options. I am sure I read a document online a few years back on the subject of safe sudo practices. I had developed a nice sudoers file for use on an email server system shortly after a colleague accidentally ran a similar command at the root level of the mailbox directory.? > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mike Miller > Date: > To: TCLUG List > Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > > I have a few users on a box at work.? Some are not active.? I'm also about > to move everything to a new machine. > > This is the stupid thing I did.? The hard drive was full so I needed to > make some space.? I copied files from /home/marc to another machine and > then was going to remove /home/marc.? So I did this... > > cd /home/marc > sudo rm -rf *? <-- that would have been OK, but I killed that command > cd .. > sudo rm -rf marc? <-- what I intended to do, which would have been fine > sudo rm -rf *? <-- what I did instead > > That would have wiped every file out of /home if I hadn't realized almost > instantly what I had done.? So I hit Ctrl-C a couple of times fast and > looked at the damage.? Nothing was lost except for all of the files for > the user whose name was first in alphabetical order.? All 858 MB of files. > > Luckily, this user was probably just using the account to transfer files > between other machines on a firewalled network, so it might not be a big > deal, but I'm not sure. > > I consider myself lucky that I stopped it quickly, but that doesn't help > him because his files are all gone. > > Yikes.? I'll bet you know you should be careful with this command: > > sudo rm -rf * > > That's like the most dangerous command there is, except maybe for this > one: > > sudo rm -rf /* > > But we don't use that command in real life, just a joke for noobs. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:28:01 -0500 > From: Josh More > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On VMS, you can configure a system to make auto-backups. It does this by > placing a semicolon at the end of each file and having a number increment > each time the file is saved. Thus, you can get listings like: > > thesis.txt;1 > thesis.txt;2 > thesis.txt;3 > joke.txt;1 > paper.doc;1 > paper.doc;2 > > While in college, I was working the lab and a user came in asking for help > with his account. It was full and he couldn't save the latest revision of > his paper. I was already working two calls, so when he asked "how do I > remove files from my account", I answered without thinking: " DELETE *.*;* > " > > In about twenty seconds, I realized my mistake, but the damage was done. > His files were all gone, during finals week, and I didn't have access to > the backup system to restore them. > > Oops. > > -Josh > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > > > I have a few users on a box at work. Some are not active. I'm also about > > to move everything to a new machine. > > > > This is the stupid thing I did. The hard drive was full so I needed to > > make some space. I copied files from /home/marc to another machine and > > then was going to remove /home/marc. So I did this... > > > > cd /home/marc > > sudo rm -rf * <-- that would have been OK, but I killed that command > > cd .. > > sudo rm -rf marc <-- what I intended to do, which would have been fine > > sudo rm -rf * <-- what I did instead > > > > That would have wiped every file out of /home if I hadn't realized almost > > instantly what I had done. So I hit Ctrl-C a couple of times fast and > > looked at the damage. Nothing was lost except for all of the files for the > > user whose name was first in alphabetical order. All 858 MB of files. > > > > Luckily, this user was probably just using the account to transfer files > > between other machines on a firewalled network, so it might not be a big > > deal, but I'm not sure. > > > > I consider myself lucky that I stopped it quickly, but that doesn't help > > him because his files are all gone. > > > > Yikes. I'll bet you know you should be careful with this command: > > > > sudo rm -rf * > > > > That's like the most dangerous command there is, except maybe for this one: > > > > sudo rm -rf /* > > > > But we don't use that command in real life, just a joke for noobs. > > > > Mike > > ______________________________**_________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 13:12:09 -0500 > From: Andrew Berg > To: Justin Krejci , TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > Message-ID: <5197C479.1000101 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 2013.05.18 12:43, Justin Krejci wrote: > > The glory of sudo allows you to granularly deny certain uses of commands mixed with certain arguments/options. I am sure I read a document > > online a few years back on the subject of safe sudo practices. I had developed a nice sudoers file for use on an email server system shortly > > after a colleague accidentally ran a similar command at the root level of the mailbox directory. > This is really the whole point of sudo, and it's nice to see someone using it properly. Why some people think it's a good idea to use it to > grant a user full root access still escapes me. It seems like a great tool intended to greatly enhance security is now being used mostly to > degrade it. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 14:52:50 -0500 > From: Michael Greenly > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I've certainly had near close calls like that myself. Reading this is > making me consider using zfs (or maybe btrfs) on everything except /boot > just for the convenience of easy snapshots. A quick snapshot before > potentially destructive actions would be an easy habit to get into. > > > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: > > > On 2013.05.18 12:43, Justin Krejci wrote: > > > The glory of sudo allows you to granularly deny certain uses of commands > > mixed with certain arguments/options. I am sure I read a document > > > online a few years back on the subject of safe sudo practices. I had > > developed a nice sudoers file for use on an email server system shortly > > > after a colleague accidentally ran a similar command at the root level > > of the mailbox directory. > > This is really the whole point of sudo, and it's nice to see someone using > > it properly. Why some people think it's a good idea to use it to > > grant a user full root access still escapes me. 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URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Sat May 18 16:26:45 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 16:26:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > From: tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 22 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 16:25:56 -0500 > > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 21 (Paul graf) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 16:25:25 -0500 > From: Paul graf > To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 21 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am a noober but what my mistake here at home was copy an openSUSE12.3 iso image to my primary harddisk instead of the thumb drive which was intended. By using the dd command. > > > From: tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 21 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 14:53:19 -0500 > > > > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever (Mike Miller) > > 2. Re: worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever (Justin Krejci) > > 3. Re: worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever (Josh More) > > 4. Re: worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever (Andrew Berg) > > 5. Re: worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever (Michael Greenly) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:22:14 -0500 (CDT) > > From: Mike Miller > > To: TCLUG List > > Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > > I have a few users on a box at work. Some are not active. I'm also about > > to move everything to a new machine. > > > > This is the stupid thing I did. The hard drive was full so I needed to > > make some space. I copied files from /home/marc to another machine and > > then was going to remove /home/marc. So I did this... > > > > cd /home/marc > > sudo rm -rf * <-- that would have been OK, but I killed that command > > cd .. > > sudo rm -rf marc <-- what I intended to do, which would have been fine > > sudo rm -rf * <-- what I did instead > > > > That would have wiped every file out of /home if I hadn't realized almost > > instantly what I had done. So I hit Ctrl-C a couple of times fast and > > looked at the damage. Nothing was lost except for all of the files for > > the user whose name was first in alphabetical order. All 858 MB of files. > > > > Luckily, this user was probably just using the account to transfer files > > between other machines on a firewalled network, so it might not be a big > > deal, but I'm not sure. > > > > I consider myself lucky that I stopped it quickly, but that doesn't help > > him because his files are all gone. > > > > Yikes. I'll bet you know you should be careful with this command: > > > > sudo rm -rf * > > > > That's like the most dangerous command there is, except maybe for this > > one: > > > > sudo rm -rf /* > > > > But we don't use that command in real life, just a joke for noobs. > > > > Mike > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:43:04 -0500 > > From: Justin Krejci > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > > Message-ID: <2wlrve5dltvwevpf20ma21k3.1368898984755 at email.android.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > The glory of sudo allows you to granularly deny certain uses of commands mixed with certain arguments/options. I am sure I read a document online a few years back on the subject of safe sudo practices. I had developed a nice sudoers file for use on an email server system shortly after a colleague accidentally ran a similar command at the root level of the mailbox directory.? > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Mike Miller > > Date: > > To: TCLUG List > > Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > > > > I have a few users on a box at work.? Some are not active.? I'm also about > > to move everything to a new machine. > > > > This is the stupid thing I did.? The hard drive was full so I needed to > > make some space.? I copied files from /home/marc to another machine and > > then was going to remove /home/marc.? So I did this... > > > > cd /home/marc > > sudo rm -rf *? <-- that would have been OK, but I killed that command > > cd .. > > sudo rm -rf marc? <-- what I intended to do, which would have been fine > > sudo rm -rf *? <-- what I did instead > > > > That would have wiped every file out of /home if I hadn't realized almost > > instantly what I had done.? So I hit Ctrl-C a couple of times fast and > > looked at the damage.? Nothing was lost except for all of the files for > > the user whose name was first in alphabetical order.? All 858 MB of files. > > > > Luckily, this user was probably just using the account to transfer files > > between other machines on a firewalled network, so it might not be a big > > deal, but I'm not sure. > > > > I consider myself lucky that I stopped it quickly, but that doesn't help > > him because his files are all gone. > > > > Yikes.? I'll bet you know you should be careful with this command: > > > > sudo rm -rf * > > > > That's like the most dangerous command there is, except maybe for this > > one: > > > > sudo rm -rf /* > > > > But we don't use that command in real life, just a joke for noobs. > > > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 12:28:01 -0500 > > From: Josh More > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > On VMS, you can configure a system to make auto-backups. It does this by > > placing a semicolon at the end of each file and having a number increment > > each time the file is saved. Thus, you can get listings like: > > > > thesis.txt;1 > > thesis.txt;2 > > thesis.txt;3 > > joke.txt;1 > > paper.doc;1 > > paper.doc;2 > > > > While in college, I was working the lab and a user came in asking for help > > with his account. It was full and he couldn't save the latest revision of > > his paper. I was already working two calls, so when he asked "how do I > > remove files from my account", I answered without thinking: " DELETE *.*;* > > " > > > > In about twenty seconds, I realized my mistake, but the damage was done. > > His files were all gone, during finals week, and I didn't have access to > > the backup system to restore them. > > > > Oops. > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > > > > > I have a few users on a box at work. Some are not active. I'm also about > > > to move everything to a new machine. > > > > > > This is the stupid thing I did. The hard drive was full so I needed to > > > make some space. I copied files from /home/marc to another machine and > > > then was going to remove /home/marc. So I did this... > > > > > > cd /home/marc > > > sudo rm -rf * <-- that would have been OK, but I killed that command > > > cd .. > > > sudo rm -rf marc <-- what I intended to do, which would have been fine > > > sudo rm -rf * <-- what I did instead > > > > > > That would have wiped every file out of /home if I hadn't realized almost > > > instantly what I had done. So I hit Ctrl-C a couple of times fast and > > > looked at the damage. Nothing was lost except for all of the files for the > > > user whose name was first in alphabetical order. All 858 MB of files. > > > > > > Luckily, this user was probably just using the account to transfer files > > > between other machines on a firewalled network, so it might not be a big > > > deal, but I'm not sure. > > > > > > I consider myself lucky that I stopped it quickly, but that doesn't help > > > him because his files are all gone. > > > > > > Yikes. I'll bet you know you should be careful with this command: > > > > > > sudo rm -rf * > > > > > > That's like the most dangerous command there is, except maybe for this one: > > > > > > sudo rm -rf /* > > > > > > But we don't use that command in real life, just a joke for noobs. > > > > > > Mike > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 13:12:09 -0500 > > From: Andrew Berg > > To: Justin Krejci , TCLUG Mailing List > > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > > Message-ID: <5197C479.1000101 at gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > On 2013.05.18 12:43, Justin Krejci wrote: > > > The glory of sudo allows you to granularly deny certain uses of commands mixed with certain arguments/options. I am sure I read a document > > > online a few years back on the subject of safe sudo practices. I had developed a nice sudoers file for use on an email server system shortly > > > after a colleague accidentally ran a similar command at the root level of the mailbox directory. > > This is really the whole point of sudo, and it's nice to see someone using it properly. Why some people think it's a good idea to use it to > > grant a user full root access still escapes me. It seems like a great tool intended to greatly enhance security is now being used mostly to > > degrade it. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 14:52:50 -0500 > > From: Michael Greenly > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I've certainly had near close calls like that myself. Reading this is > > making me consider using zfs (or maybe btrfs) on everything except /boot > > just for the convenience of easy snapshots. A quick snapshot before > > potentially destructive actions would be an easy habit to get into. > > > > > > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: > > > > > On 2013.05.18 12:43, Justin Krejci wrote: > > > > The glory of sudo allows you to granularly deny certain uses of commands > > > mixed with certain arguments/options. I am sure I read a document > > > > online a few years back on the subject of safe sudo practices. I had > > > developed a nice sudoers file for use on an email server system shortly > > > > after a colleague accidentally ran a similar command at the root level > > > of the mailbox directory. > > > This is really the whole point of sudo, and it's nice to see someone using > > > it properly. Why some people think it's a good idea to use it to > > > grant a user full root access still escapes me. It seems like a great tool > > > intended to greatly enhance security is now being used mostly to > > > degrade it. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Greenly > > http://logic-refinery.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 21 > > ******************************************* > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 22 > ******************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Sat May 18 17:01:24 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:01:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Accidental copy was:Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 21 Message-ID: On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Paul graf wrote: > I am a noober but what my mistake here at home was copy an openSUSE12.3 > iso image to my primary harddisk instead of the thumb drive which was > intended. Paul, ***please*** read this and take my advice. Good mailing list etiquette requires that you do the following things: 1. If you insist on remaining subscribed to the list digest (it baffles me why you would do so), **please** strip out the irrelevant portions of the message, only leaving the specific bits of text that you are responding to. 2. Edit the subject line! How meaningful is this subject line to you: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 21 Not very, is it. Edit the subject and make it meaningful. This not only makes list discussions much easier to track, but it also makes the list archives much more useful. So - others have mentioned this many times and you've apparently ignored the advice, but I'll try again - go here, sign in, and change "Digest Mode" to "off". This way, you'll get separate emails, delivered immediately, instead of a single daily digest. -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat May 18 17:26:22 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:26:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] replying to digests one time too many In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 18 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: [one entire digest deleted here] Is Paul Graf just trying to torture us? It's getting to the point where I think it might be wiser to drop him from the list than to deal with this kind of nonsense. Several of us have taken the time, more than once each, to explain it to him, but I see no indication that all of our efforts have had any effect on him. I don't think he has sent a message to the list that didn't have a subject line of this form: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol \d+, Issue \d+ It's too bad because he seems interested in Linux and I would happily correspond with him under better conditions.. Mike From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Sat May 18 18:21:34 2013 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 18:21:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] replying to digests one time too many In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why don't we do away with digest mode, and just move everyone who has made that selection over to the normal mode? -Erik On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Sat, 18 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > > [one entire digest deleted here] > > Is Paul Graf just trying to torture us? It's getting to the point where I > think it might be wiser to drop him from the list than to deal with this > kind of nonsense. Several of us have taken the time, more than once each, > to explain it to him, but I see no indication that all of our efforts have > had any effect on him. I don't think he has sent a message to the list that > didn't have a subject line of this form: > > Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol \d+, Issue \d+ > > It's too bad because he seems interested in Linux and I would happily > correspond with him under better conditions.. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Erik K. 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URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Sun May 19 04:45:19 2013 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 04:45:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] replying to digests one time too many In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B38DAB422E54A0D8B42522F267E6974@d830a> +1 (repeated!) > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Erik Mitchell > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 6:22 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] replying to digests one time too many > > Why don't we do away with digest mode, and just move everyone who has > made that selection over to the normal mode? > > -Erik > > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Mike Miller > wrote: > > On Sat, 18 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > > > > [one entire digest deleted here] > > > > Is Paul Graf just trying to torture us? It's getting to > the point where I > > think it might be wiser to drop him from the list than to > deal with this > > kind of nonsense. Several of us have taken the time, more > than once each, > > to explain it to him, but I see no indication that all of > our efforts have > > had any effect on him. I don't think he has sent a message > to the list that > > didn't have a subject line of this form: > > > > Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol \d+, Issue \d+ > > > > It's too bad because he seems interested in Linux and I > would happily > > correspond with him under better conditions.. > > > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Sun May 19 05:34:35 2013 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 05:34:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] replying to digests one time too many In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: no need to deny digests to those that don't abuse them, but for those who do, repeatedly, despite warnings, by all means bump them off digests onto normal mode.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: replying to digests one time too many (gregrwm) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:01:24 -0500 > From: Erik Anderson > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [tclug-list] Accidental copy was:Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol > 101, Issue 21 > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Paul graf wrote: > > > I am a noober but what my mistake here at home was copy an openSUSE12.3 > > iso image to my primary harddisk instead of the thumb drive which was > > intended. > > > Paul, ***please*** read this and take my advice. > > Good mailing list etiquette requires that you do the following things: > > 1. If you insist on remaining subscribed to the list digest (it baffles me > why you would do so), **please** strip out the irrelevant portions of the > message, only leaving the specific bits of text that you are responding to. > > 2. Edit the subject line! How meaningful is this subject line to you: > > [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 21 > > Not very, is it. Edit the subject and make it meaningful. This not only > makes list discussions much easier to track, but it also makes the list > archives much more useful. > > So - others have mentioned this many times and you've apparently ignored > the advice, but I'll try again - go here, sign in, and change "Digest Mode" > to "off". This way, you'll get separate emails, delivered immediately, > instead of a single daily digest. > > -Erik > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:26:22 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mike Miller > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [tclug-list] replying to digests one time too many > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII > > On Sat, 18 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > > [one entire digest deleted here] > > Is Paul Graf just trying to torture us? It's getting to the point where I > think it might be wiser to drop him from the list than to deal with this > kind of nonsense. Several of us have taken the time, more than once each, > to explain it to him, but I see no indication that all of our efforts have > had any effect on him. I don't think he has sent a message to the list > that didn't have a subject line of this form: > > Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol \d+, Issue \d+ > > It's too bad because he seems interested in Linux and I would happily > correspond with him under better conditions.. > > Mike > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 18:21:34 -0500 > From: Erik Mitchell > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] replying to digests one time too many > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Why don't we do away with digest mode, and just move everyone who has > made that selection over to the normal mode? > > -Erik > > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > > On Sat, 18 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > > > > [one entire digest deleted here] > > > > Is Paul Graf just trying to torture us? It's getting to the point where I > > think it might be wiser to drop him from the list than to deal with this > > kind of nonsense. Several of us have taken the time, more than once each, > > to explain it to him, but I see no indication that all of our efforts have > > had any effect on him. I don't think he has sent a message to the list that > > didn't have a subject line of this form: > > > > Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol \d+, Issue \d+ > > > > It's too bad because he seems interested in Linux and I would happily > > correspond with him under better conditions.. > > > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 04:45:19 -0500 > From: "Chuck Cole" > To: "'TCLUG Mailing List'" > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] replying to digests one time too many > Message-ID: <6B38DAB422E54A0D8B42522F267E6974 at d830a> > > +1 (repeated!) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Erik Mitchell > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 6:22 PM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] replying to digests one time too many > > > > Why don't we do away with digest mode, and just move everyone who has > > made that selection over to the normal mode? > > > > -Erik > > > > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Mike Miller > > wrote: > > > On Sat, 18 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > > > > > > [one entire digest deleted here] > > > > > > Is Paul Graf just trying to torture us? It's getting to > > the point where I > > > think it might be wiser to drop him from the list than to > > deal with this > > > kind of nonsense. Several of us have taken the time, more > > than once each, > > > to explain it to him, but I see no indication that all of > > our efforts have > > > had any effect on him. I don't think he has sent a message > > to the list that > > > didn't have a subject line of this form: > > > > > > Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol \d+, Issue \d+ > > > > > > It's too bad because he seems interested in Linux and I > > would happily > > > correspond with him under better conditions.. > > > > > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list> ******************************************* I just want to apologize to everyone! I have turned digest mode off now. I am not trying to torture anyone. Is this better now because I have been confused as to how to properly respond to messages since I signed up. Sorry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From florin at iucha.net Sun May 19 14:05:46 2013 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 14:05:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Paul turn's digest mode to 'off' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130519190546.GE19193@signbit.net> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 02:01:49PM -0500, Paul graf wrote: [180 lines deleted] > I just want to apologize to everyone! I have turned digest mode off > now. I am not trying to torture anyone. Is this better now because I > have been confused as to how to properly respond to messages since I > signed up. Paul, Is it possible that your e-mail client (it seems to be hotmail, by the headers in your message) does not show you the content of the message you are responding to? Maybe it is folded, and you need to expand it? Otherwise, it was not better - you included 180 lines of useless text before your four line reply. Cheers, florin -- Sent from my last battery. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Sun May 19 14:10:09 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 14:10:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Paul turn's digest mode to 'off' In-Reply-To: <20130519190546.GE19193@signbit.net> References: , , <20130519190546.GE19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: Florin thank you for the pointer when I wrote my last message apologizing I did not delete most of the prior message. I seriously am trying to figure this out but until then I will not respond to any messages because I feel quit bad now. Sorry everyone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From florin at iucha.net Sun May 19 14:23:27 2013 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 14:23:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Paul turn's digest mode to 'off' In-Reply-To: References: <20130519190546.GE19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: <20130519192327.GF19193@signbit.net> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 02:10:09PM -0500, Paul graf wrote: > Florin thank you for the pointer when I wrote my last message > apologizing I did not delete most of the prior message. I seriously > am trying to figure this out but until then I will not respond to any > messages because I feel quit bad now. Sorry everyone Paul, Don't feel bad, and don't quit! Keep trying, that's the only way to learn. People here were not upset that you were not doing the right thing, but because it was not evident that you were listening to what they were saying and trying to learn from it. Everybody makes mistakes (see Mike's last thread for example - and that was bigger that breaking netiquette). But it is important to learn from your mistakes, and teach others. For instance, try replying to any of the messages from this list, but change the destination to yourself, and see how it would look when somebody else receives it. Or if hotmail is so limiting, try creating a second e-mail address (at gmail for instance) and use that to test how your outgoing e-mail look like. Cheers, florin -- Sent from my last battery. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So did the apt-get update and now I get a error: fd0 read error and it won't boot. Screen just goes black after grub screen. Disabled the floppy in bios, but to no avail. Have looked all over the sites for some options. Any thoughts on whether I can recover this??? Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zedlan at invec.net Sun May 19 19:38:46 2013 From: zedlan at invec.net (zedlan at invec.net) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 00:38:46 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] error: fd0 read error Message-ID: I believe this happened to me last year, and it had to do with some re-labeling of disk labels. Do you get warnings about disk labels? Anyway, a boot repair tool, if installed, may help you. See if you can boot to recovery or rescue mode. Try "repair packages" to repair the boot loader, grub. - or, using a Ubuntu live cd on the system: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair sudo boot-repair good luck, jp -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Rieff [mailto:trieff at greencaremankato.com] Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 06:46 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: [tclug-list] error: fd0 read error TCLUG, I have a Ubuntu 12.04 Server with software raid. It said there were updates??? So did the apt-get update and now I get a error: fd0 read error and it won't boot. Screen just goes black after grub screen. Disabled the floppy in bios, but to no avail. Have looked all over the sites for some options. Any thoughts on whether I can recover this??? Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun May 19 23:16:51 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 23:16:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Paul turn's digest mode to 'off' In-Reply-To: References: , , <20130519190546.GE19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > Florin thank you for the pointer when I wrote my last message > apologizing I did not delete most of the prior message. I seriously am > trying to figure this out but until then I will not respond to any > messages because I feel quit bad now. Sorry everyone But see what happened? Your message (above) was perfect. Problem solved! Your problem with the last message was that it was a reply to a digest, so the digest was included by default. Now that you aren't receiving digests, it will no longer be possible for you to make the mistake of replying to the digest, including all of it in your reply. I should add that I suspect that Gmail will work a lot better for you than Hotmail. You can use a TCLUG label on incoming messages, filter them, and they will be stored in "discussion" groups that correspond to threads. Anyway, I hope you will continue to participate in discussions here. You shouldn't have to worry about mistakes now that you are not using digests. Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun May 19 23:25:58 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 23:25:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 18 May 2013, elhaddi wrote: > The worst one for me was: > > \rm -fr /home > > That was in 1988 on a sun 280 and of course the aliased rm was useless > to me :( Right, because the backslash turns off the alias. I can see why you remember it 25 years later. What I did was very similar but perhaps different in an important way. I had no alias on rm and I had done this: cd /home rm -rf * The difference I am wondering about is how the command responds to ctrl-c. For me, it looks like it deleted some directories and left others completely untouched. The "*" glob expands to a list of directory names, so I suspect the ctrl-c breaks the command after it finishes on the current filename argument. Thus, I think ctrl-c might not stop "rm -rf /home" until it is done. I also don't think we can recover deleted files in ext3 filesystem (what I'm using). Mike From stuporglue at gmail.com Sun May 19 23:34:58 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 23:34:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > The difference I am wondering about is how the command responds to ctrl-c. For me, it looks like it deleted some directories and left others completely untouched. The "*" glob expands to a list of directory names, so I suspect the ctrl-c breaks the command after it finishes on the current filename argument. Thus, I think ctrl-c might not stop "rm -rf /home" until it is done. > When I get commands like that which I need to terminate, I do: ctrl-z kill -9 %1 > I also don't think we can recover deleted files in ext3 filesystem (what I'm using). I have used photorec (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec) many times and come off looking like a hero to friends and family. I haven't used it with ext3 before, but it is in the list of supported file systems. -- Michael Moore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenlynes at usa.net Sun May 19 23:37:07 2013 From: kenlynes at usa.net (Kenneth Lynes) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 23:37:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] problems with editing replies Message-ID: <428ReTeKH2016S04.1369024627@web04.cms.usa.net> You were replying to messages from Paul. I know who he is and Have his phone number and in next day or so I will contact him. I am sure he does not completely understand what you are asking him to do. I have been guilty of some of the same myself and did not completely understand what was being asked about eh subject line until this last digest sent about this topic. I will be more diligent myself about what to include. It took me some time to learn some of the other basics about messaging such as using bcc instead of cc in adding names to the list to be sent my replies. I also learned to remove the header information which would list all the email addresses of those sent by the original sender since they might not want their email address to be know world-wide etc. Please forgive us newcomers. I dont think Paul would have a problem if he simply copied the openSuse12.3 to his hard drive, only if he had installed it there as an iso. Ken L ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 19 May 2013 12:00:18 PM CDT From: tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue > > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Paul graf wrote: > > > I am a noober but what my mistake here at home was copy an openSUSE12.3 > > iso image to my primary harddisk instead of the thumb drive which was > > intended. > > > Paul, ***please*** read this and take my advice. > > Good mailing list etiquette requires that you do the following things: > > 1. If you insist on remaining subscribed to the list digest (it baffles me > why you would do so), **please** strip out the irrelevant portions of the > message, only leaving the specific bits of text that you are responding to. > > 2. Edit the subject line! How meaningful is this subject line to you: > From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Mon May 20 08:31:03 2013 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 08:31:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > The difference I am wondering about is how the command responds to ctrl-c. > For me, it looks like it deleted some directories and left others > completely untouched. The "*" glob expands to a list of directory names, > so I suspect the ctrl-c breaks the command after it finishes on the current > filename argument. Thus, I think ctrl-c might not stop "rm -rf /home" > until it is done. > > > When I get commands like that which I need to terminate, I do: > ctrl-z > kill -9 %1 > you mean ctrl-z kill -9 % %1 may or may not be the right job -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't killed anything I didn't mean to yet, but I'm sure it would've happened eventually. -- Michael Moore From jeruvin at gmail.com Mon May 20 08:48:47 2013 From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 08:48:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm a big fan of running a ls command in place of the rm before giving it the full run. On Monday, May 20, 2013, Michael Moore wrote: > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:31 AM, gregrwm > > wrote: > >> The difference I am wondering about is how the command responds to > ctrl-c. > >> For me, it looks like it deleted some directories and left others > completely > >> untouched. The "*" glob expands to a list of directory names, so I > suspect > >> the ctrl-c breaks the command after it finishes on the current filename > >> argument. Thus, I think ctrl-c might not stop "rm -rf /home" until it > is > >> done. > >> > >> > >> When I get commands like that which I need to terminate, I do: > >> ctrl-z > >> kill -9 %1 > > > > > > you mean > > ctrl-z > > kill -9 % > > > > %1 may or may not be the right job > > Yes, good point. % is better. > > I don't usually background jobs so %1 is usually the only job I've got > running in the background. I haven't killed anything I didn't mean to > yet, but I'm sure it would've happened eventually. > > -- > Michael Moore > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason.lindberg at gmail.com Mon May 20 11:26:43 2013 From: jason.lindberg at gmail.com (Jason Lindberg) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 11:26:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] worst Linux/UNIX command line mistake, ever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you run an strace on rm you will find that it compiles a list by calling fsstat so with very large sets of files if you catch it right away it will be stopped before actually removing any files. Been there obviously ;) *Jason Lindberg* UNIX Systems Engineer 651.260.1354 On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:48 AM, jason reynolds wrote: > I'm a big fan of running a ls command in place of the rm before giving it > the full run. > > > On Monday, May 20, 2013, Michael Moore wrote: > >> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:31 AM, gregrwm wrote: >> >> The difference I am wondering about is how the command responds to >> ctrl-c. >> >> For me, it looks like it deleted some directories and left others >> completely >> >> untouched. The "*" glob expands to a list of directory names, so I >> suspect >> >> the ctrl-c breaks the command after it finishes on the current filename >> >> argument. Thus, I think ctrl-c might not stop "rm -rf /home" until it >> is >> >> done. >> >> >> >> >> >> When I get commands like that which I need to terminate, I do: >> >> ctrl-z >> >> kill -9 %1 >> > >> > >> > you mean >> > ctrl-z >> > kill -9 % >> > >> > %1 may or may not be the right job >> >> Yes, good point. % is better. >> >> I don't usually background jobs so %1 is usually the only job I've got >> running in the background. 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Enabling this feature may be a security risk, so it is disabled by ? ? default. If in doubt, it is suggested to leave it disabled. ? ? ? ? Should non-superusers be able to capture packets? ? ? ? ? I then have selected . Now upon entering the following command 'wireshark' in terminal, I get an error message. 'Couldn't run /usr/bin/dumpcap in child process: Permission denied' So further investigation into the '/usr/bin/dumpcap' directory yields the following: -rwxr-xr-- 1 root wireshark 66K Apr 12 2012 dumpcap So should I be using 'chown' here to change root to paul? Paul is the user's name who is trying to run 'wireshark'. Do I need to add Paul to the wireshark group? Thank You, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is a good example for the latter? http://stuffresearch.tor.hu/?p=64 The biggest problem I had with learning about ipsec was getting to understand all of the terminology and the composite parts and that usually isakmp is used as well though there are alternatives to isakmp. I don't have a specific set of resources I recommend though as I ?have not really looked at what's out there nowadays. I just know most of what I need at this point and only do a quick google for specific details as necessary.? -------- Original message -------- From: Brian Wood Date: To: tclug-list Subject: [tclug-list] IPSec plans I'm going to take another crack at IPSec and would?like to ask for advice as far as books, websites and tips related to IPSec.?? Thanks. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From florin at iucha.net Mon May 20 21:20:51 2013 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:20:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD on an older Pentium 3 wireless In-Reply-To: References: <20130520220426.GH19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: <20130521022050.GI19193@signbit.net> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 06:47:57PM -0500, Paul graf wrote: > I spent last Saturday evening reading the installation manual pages > for FreeBSD. It would be interesting to use on a Pentium 3 pc that I > have here I thought. I know alot of the Linux/Unix is much over my > head. Would I be able to use the old Dell Optiplex as a good netsurfer > email machine? Would a Ralink 2561 wireless card be your choices > since the computer does not have any wireless card as of now. What > could anyone really suggest as far as wireless card in PCI form be > for FreeBSD? Again I am sorry for not properly responding to the TLUG > digest before. This question would be better addressed to a FreeBSD mailing list. The L in TCLUG stands for Linux. Cheers, florin -- Sent from my last battery. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon May 20 21:25:34 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:25:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD on an older Pentium 3 wireless In-Reply-To: <20130521022050.GI19193@signbit.net> References: , , , , , , , , <20130520220426.GH19193@signbit.net>, , <20130521022050.GI19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: Thank you florin for your response and my apologies by that. If the TLUG is having a meeting again someday I would love to visit in the shadows and learn. You have so much knowledge about linux. Sincerly, Paul Thank You, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Mon May 20 22:23:40 2013 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 22:23:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD on an older Pentium 3 wireless In-Reply-To: References: <20130520220426.GH19193@signbit.net> <20130521022050.GI19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: Ok, why is everyone picking on Paul? There are always BSD discussions on here. It's fine. We don't have to create a user group for every stinking topic. I remember when there was all kinds of flaming back and forth about whether a thread should be in TCLUG or TCWUG. EITHER WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE!!! As for your question, Paul, you should try it! My guess is that you're not going to be very happy with the performance on a PIII. The X server and applications are all expecting pretty generous system resources so no matter what OS is underlying that, you're going to have poor performance. There have been a lot of good threads on here about running *nix on older systems though. Many lightweight distros have been recommended. Perhaps someone would like to mention their favorites? I run Arch Linux on an older laptop in my garage, and use Xmonad and the Midori web browser. It works great for having Gmail open, and looking stuff up related to whatever I happen to be doing. -Erik PS Hey look, I pulled it back on topic!!! -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From kc0iog at gmail.com Mon May 20 22:29:22 2013 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 22:29:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD on an older Pentium 3 wireless In-Reply-To: References: <20130520220426.GH19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Paul graf wrote: > > I spent last Saturday evening reading the installation manual pages for > FreeBSD. It would be interesting to use on a Pentium 3 pc that I have here I > thought. I know alot of the Linux/Unix is much over my head. Quick tip... if Linux is over your head you may really struggle with FreeBSD. It's a very stable, powerful OS but not so friendly to newbies. Would I be able > to use the old Dell Optiplex as a good netsurfer email machine? Probably. I haven't checked the requirements for the latest FreeBSD builds but that team prides themselves in a lightweight OS. I'm guessing it will run on a PIII just fine. Would a > Ralink 2561 wireless card be your choices since the computer does not have > any wireless card as of now. A quick Google search turns up a few hints that the driver was built into FreeBSD in the 7.0-ish builds of FreeBSD. My guess is that it will work just fine, but as with anything feel free to experiment. What could anyone really suggest as far as > wireless card in PCI form be for FreeBSD? Again I am sorry for not properly > responding to the TLUG digest before. Check the HCL for FreeBSD. I use Atheros based cards in Linux because the Atheros driver is finally open and works very well. Not sure what the state of Atheros is for FreeBSD. Brian From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon May 20 22:37:47 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 22:37:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD on an older Pentium 3 wireless In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , <20130520220426.GH19193@signbit.net>, , <20130521022050.GI19193@signbit.net>, , Message-ID: Thank you Erik for your response I am deeply concerned about the Ralink rtl2561 being not supported with FreeBSD and have sent a link and card number for a Roswill pci card to the Ralink team. The link is as follows if anyone is interested in seeing a Linux able wireless pci card. http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Wireless-802-11b-54Mbps-RNX-G300EX/dp/B002CSUZGC/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1369106501&sr=8-13&keywords=ralink+pci I have send link stated above to this address. ralink at rapla.net In order for more educated and able people that are programmers and developers be able to support cards in the Unix and Linux world. Again I apologize for not using the TCLUG digest properly and I do care in fact I do cry sometimes because it is my sincere hobby' linux is as well as Unix I do understand many people are smarter than I am but I gave that up by trying to talk with you fellows. Erik please let me know if my messages are a pain I will fix that to my best ability. Florin you are wonderful and again thank you for all your help Mike thank you also everyone thank you, Sincerly, Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In fact I would be more than happy to venture on a FreeBSD talk point and learn there as well. The amount I have learned from good people using computers far outweighs the amount I learned from bad people. Thank you for being here Erik and correcting my messages with the digest because I respect you and all of you people and it allowed me to be able to actually not be as confused when I write. I am sorry I am not a professional but I thank you all for putting up with me if there are problems with my messages I will do my best to correct them and fix it I do not want anyone to have headaches on a newb like me. I do not affiliate myself with google nor use the search engine so you will have to excuse me for not using gmail. Thank You, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brian From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon May 20 22:58:48 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 22:58:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ralink Wireless cards on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , <20130520220426.GH19193@signbit.net>, , Message-ID: I thank you for the link Brian but I do not see a single Ralink card up or down the sheet-link you sent specifically regarding Ralink. Sincerly, Paul Thank You, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon May 20 23:02:48 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 23:02:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD on an older Pentium 3 wireless In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , <20130520220426.GH19193@signbit.net>, , Message-ID: Brian was right there is an ral(4) driver built into FreeBSD which does support Ralink. Thank You, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From florin at iucha.net Mon May 20 23:23:16 2013 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 23:23:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD on an older Pentium 3 wireless In-Reply-To: References: <20130520220426.GH19193@signbit.net> <20130521022050.GI19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: <20130521042316.GJ19193@signbit.net> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:23:40PM -0500, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Ok, why is everyone picking on Paul? There are always BSD discussions > on here. It's fine. We don't have to create a user group for every > stinking topic. I remember when there was all kinds of flaming back > and forth about whether a thread should be in TCLUG or TCWUG. Eric, I was not picking on Paul and did not tell him to go away because we don't want to answer his *BSD question, or we don't want to hear the replies 8^). 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URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue May 21 01:28:30 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 01:28:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] scripts for working with gcalcli (Google Calendar command-line interface) Message-ID: I use Google Calendar. I really like the Google Calendar command-line interface called gcalcli. It's a python script that you can get here: https://github.com/insanum/gcalcli The screenshots there look OK, but it is improved now and uses line characters to create the week and month calendars, so it looks a little better. To make it easier for me to use gcalcli, in the ways I usually use it, I wrote some scripts and put them here: http://genetsim.org/gcalcli/ Example commands: myday show an ANSI-color-coded list of calendar events for all calendars for today myday tomorrow show an ANSI-color-coded list of calendar events for all calendars for tomorrow myday 7/27 myday "July 27" myday "Jul 27" myday "27 July" myday "27 Jul" All show an ANSI-color-coded list of calendar events for all calendars for July 27 (current year) myday today 5 show an ANSI-color-coded list of calendar events for all calendars for 5 days starting today myday 8/1/2014 10 owner myday "August 1, 2014" 10 owner myday "1 August 2014" 10 owner myday "1 Aug 2014" 10 owner myday 2014-08-01 10 owner All show a plain list (no color) of calendar events for the owner's calendar for 10 days starting August 1, 2014 myweek show an ANSI-color-coded calendar for all calendars for the Sun-Sat week that includes today myweek 6/1 4 myweek "June 1" 4 myweek "1 June" 4 All show an ANSI-color-coded calendar for all calendars for the 4 Sun-Sat weeks beginning with the week that includes June 1 of this year myweek 6/1 4 owner myweek "June 1" 4 owner myweek "1 June" 4 owner All show a plain calendar (no color) for the owner's calendar (or those specified) for the 4 Sun-Sat weeks beginning with the week that includes June 1 of this year mymonth show an ANSI-color-coded calendar for all calendars for the calendar month that includes today mymonth 6/12 mymonth "June 12" mymonth "Jun 12" mymonth "12 June" mymonth "12 Jun" All show an ANSI-color-coded calendar for all calendars for the calendar month that includes June 12 of this year (we get the same calendar for 6/1 as for 6/12 or 6/30 or "June 25") mymonth 6/12 owner mymonth "June 12" owner mymonth "12 Jun" owner All show a plain calendar (no color) for the owner's calendar (or specified calendars) for the calendar month that includes June 12 of this year (again, we get the same calendar for 6/1 as for 6/12 or 6/30 or "June 25") From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue May 21 03:30:34 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 03:30:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] scripts for working with gcalcli (Google Calendar command-line interface) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 21 May 2013, Mike Miller wrote: > To make it easier for me to use gcalcli, in the ways I usually use it, I > wrote some scripts and put them here: > > http://genetsim.org/gcalcli/ I added a fourth script to that collection and a file called description.txt Mike From pj.world at hotmail.com Wed May 22 00:58:55 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 00:58:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Setting up the Aircrack-ng suite with Kernel 3.2.generic In-Reply-To: <20130521042316.GJ19193@signbit.net> References: , , , , , <20130520220426.GH19193@signbit.net>, , <20130521022050.GI19193@signbit.net>, , , <20130521042316.GJ19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: I am having some issues after compiling the Legacy version of Aircrack onto the 3.2.Nadia linux mnt kernel. heres the output if anyone is interested. paul at paul-HP /usr/local/bin $ sudo airmon-ng start wlan0 Interface Chipset Driver ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia wlan0 Ralink 2561 PCI rt61pci - [phy0]/usr/local/sbin/airmon-ng: 338: /usr/local/sbin/airmon-ng: cannot create /sys/class/ieee80211/phy0/add_iface: Directory nonexistent Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device mon0 ; No such device. mon0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device (monitor mode enabled on mon0) paul at paul-HP /usr/local/bin $ Works fine on Ubuntu 10.04. 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It is a security linux distro and it includes aircrack-ng. http://blackubuntu.com/master-tool-list/ Thanks, Matt On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:58 AM, Paul graf wrote: > > I am having some issues after compiling the Legacy version of Aircrack > onto the 3.2.Nadia linux mnt kernel. heres the output if anyone is > interested. > > paul at paul-HP /usr/local/bin $ sudo airmon-ng start wlan0 > > > Interface Chipset Driver > > ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia > wlan0 Ralink 2561 PCI rt61pci - [phy0]/usr/local/sbin/airmon-ng: > 338: /usr/local/sbin/airmon-ng: cannot create > /sys/class/ieee80211/phy0/add_iface: Directory nonexistent > Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : > SET failed on device mon0 ; No such device. > mon0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device > > (monitor mode enabled on mon0) > > paul at paul-HP /usr/local/bin $ > > Works fine on Ubuntu 10.04. > > Thank You, > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuporglue at gmail.com Wed May 22 07:25:48 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 07:25:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Setting up the Aircrack-ng suite with Kernel 3.2.generic In-Reply-To: References: <20130520220426.GH19193@signbit.net> <20130521022050.GI19193@signbit.net> <20130521042316.GJ19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: > ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia Someone else probably knows better, but I'd start with installing nvidia-kernel-dkms and then try using modprobe to insert the kernel. sudo modprobe nvidia -- Michael Moore From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed May 22 07:59:24 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 07:59:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Setting up the Aircrack-ng suite with Kernel 3.2.generic In-Reply-To: References: <20130520220426.GH19193@signbit.net> <20130521022050.GI19193@signbit.net> <20130521042316.GJ19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: <519CC12C.1000205@gmail.com> On 5/22/2013 6:41 AM, Matthew Junk wrote:: > Paul, > > I don't really have an answer to your question, but I figured I would be > a good time to mention Black Ubuntu. > > It is a security linux distro and it includes aircrack-ng. > > http://blackubuntu.com/master-tool-list/ > Another good security distro is kali linux. http://www.kali.org I use it daily. From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu May 23 11:39:50 2013 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:39:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? Message-ID: Hi, A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for someone who can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, just basic networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! Thanks, Erik -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From ryanjcole at me.com Thu May 23 12:11:34 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:11:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com> Depending on the commitment I might be available. Let me know - I'm driving through Iowa at the moment and will be back in MN by the 31st. -- Ryan Coleman ryanjcole at me.com m. 651.373.5015 o. 612.568.2749 On May 23, 2013, at 11:39, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Hi, > A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for someone who > can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, just basic > networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... > > If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! > > Thanks, > > Erik > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu May 23 12:16:02 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:16:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? In-Reply-To: <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com> References: <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com> Message-ID: I hope you pulled over to send that. On Thu, 23 May 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Depending on the commitment I might be available. Let me know - I'm driving through Iowa at the moment and will be back in MN by the 31st. > > -- > Ryan Coleman > ryanjcole at me.com > m. 651.373.5015 > o. 612.568.2749 > > On May 23, 2013, at 11:39, Erik Mitchell wrote: > >> Hi, >> A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for someone who >> can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, just basic >> networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... >> >> If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Erik >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryanjcole at me.com Thu May 23 12:17:08 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:17:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? In-Reply-To: References: <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com> Message-ID: <761AC7A3-6C0C-4648-8B78-448AA1168593@me.com> I was at a rest area. :) -- Ryan Coleman ryanjcole at me.com m. 651.373.5015 o. 612.568.2749 On May 23, 2013, at 12:16, Yaron wrote: > I hope you pulled over to send that. > > On Thu, 23 May 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> Depending on the commitment I might be available. Let me know - I'm driving through Iowa at the moment and will be back in MN by the 31st. >> >> -- >> Ryan Coleman >> ryanjcole at me.com >> m. 651.373.5015 >> o. 612.568.2749 >> >> On May 23, 2013, at 11:39, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for someone who >>> can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, just basic >>> networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... >>> >>> If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Erik >>> >>> -- >>> Erik K. Mitchell >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jake.vath at gmail.com Thu May 23 12:22:29 2013 From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:22:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? In-Reply-To: <761AC7A3-6C0C-4648-8B78-448AA1168593@me.com> References: <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com> <761AC7A3-6C0C-4648-8B78-448AA1168593@me.com> Message-ID: > > I was at a rest area. :) > *Was*? Does that mean you are driving currently? ;) -> Jake On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I was at a rest area. :) > > -- > Ryan Coleman > ryanjcole at me.com > m. 651.373.5015 > o. 612.568.2749 > > On May 23, 2013, at 12:16, Yaron wrote: > > > I hope you pulled over to send that. > > > > On Thu, 23 May 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > > >> Depending on the commitment I might be available. Let me know - I'm > driving through Iowa at the moment and will be back in MN by the 31st. > >> > >> -- > >> Ryan Coleman > >> ryanjcole at me.com > >> m. 651.373.5015 > >> o. 612.568.2749 > >> > >> On May 23, 2013, at 11:39, Erik Mitchell > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for someone who > >>> can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, just basic > >>> networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... > >>> > >>> If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Erik > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Erik K. Mitchell > >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com Thu May 23 12:23:43 2013 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com (Ryan Dunlop) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:23:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? In-Reply-To: <761AC7A3-6C0C-4648-8B78-448AA1168593@me.com> References: <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com> <761AC7A3-6C0C-4648-8B78-448AA1168593@me.com> Message-ID: I would also be interested. I am in uptown daily as the IT one man band for M&Q Books so I would be in the area. Ryan On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I was at a rest area. :) > > -- > Ryan Coleman > ryanjcole at me.com > m. 651.373.5015 > o. 612.568.2749 > > On May 23, 2013, at 12:16, Yaron wrote: > > > I hope you pulled over to send that. > > > > On Thu, 23 May 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > > >> Depending on the commitment I might be available. Let me know - I'm > driving through Iowa at the moment and will be back in MN by the 31st. > >> > >> -- > >> Ryan Coleman > >> ryanjcole at me.com > >> m. 651.373.5015 > >> o. 612.568.2749 > >> > >> On May 23, 2013, at 11:39, Erik Mitchell > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for someone who > >>> can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, just basic > >>> networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... > >>> > >>> If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Erik > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Erik K. Mitchell > >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Thu May 23 12:23:34 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:23:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? In-Reply-To: References: <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com> <761AC7A3-6C0C-4648-8B78-448AA1168593@me.com> Message-ID: <8A7B21D7-6525-450A-A630-6668D68A0565@me.com> Siri does wonderful things! -- Ryan Coleman ryanjcole at me.com m. 651.373.5015 o. 612.568.2749 On May 23, 2013, at 12:22, Jake Vath wrote: >> I was at a rest area. :) > Was? > Does that mean you are driving currently? ;) > > -> Jake > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> I was at a rest area. :) >> >> -- >> Ryan Coleman >> ryanjcole at me.com >> m. 651.373.5015 >> o. 612.568.2749 >> >> On May 23, 2013, at 12:16, Yaron wrote: >> >> > I hope you pulled over to send that. >> > >> > On Thu, 23 May 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> > >> >> Depending on the commitment I might be available. Let me know - I'm driving through Iowa at the moment and will be back in MN by the 31st. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ryan Coleman >> >> ryanjcole at me.com >> >> m. 651.373.5015 >> >> o. 612.568.2749 >> >> >> >> On May 23, 2013, at 11:39, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for someone who >> >>> can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, just basic >> >>> networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... >> >>> >> >>> If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> >> >>> Erik >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Erik K. Mitchell >> >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu May 23 12:25:21 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:25:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? In-Reply-To: <8A7B21D7-6525-450A-A630-6668D68A0565@me.com> References: <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com> <761AC7A3-6C0C-4648-8B78-448AA1168593@me.com> <8A7B21D7-6525-450A-A630-6668D68A0565@me.com> Message-ID: Oh my GOD. First you're emailing while driving, and then you make it even worse by not using Android??? On Thu, 23 May 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Siri does wonderful things! > > --Ryan Coleman > ryanjcole at me.com > m. 651.373.5015 > o. 612.568.2749 > > On May 23, 2013, at 12:22, Jake Vath wrote: > > I was at a rest area. :) > > Was? > Does that mean you are driving currently? ;) > > -> Jake > ? > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Ryan Coleman > wrote: > I was at a rest area. :) > > -- > Ryan Coleman > ryanjcole at me.com > m. 651.373.5015 > o. 612.568.2749 > > On May 23, 2013, at 12:16, Yaron wrote: > > > I hope you pulled over to send that. > > > > On Thu, 23 May 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > > >> Depending on the commitment I might be available. Let me know > - I'm driving through Iowa at the moment and will be back in MN > by the 31st. > >> > >> -- > >> Ryan Coleman > >> ryanjcole at me.com > >> m. 651.373.5015 > >> o. 612.568.2749 > >> > >> On May 23, 2013, at 11:39, Erik Mitchell > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for > someone who > >>> can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, > just basic > >>> networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... > >>> > >>> If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Erik > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Erik K. Mitchell > >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu May 23 12:29:31 2013 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:29:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? In-Reply-To: References: <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com> <761AC7A3-6C0C-4648-8B78-448AA1168593@me.com> <8A7B21D7-6525-450A-A630-6668D68A0565@me.com> Message-ID: That's what you do when you're on a month long cow tipping binge through the corn belt. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Yaron wrote: > Oh my GOD. First you're emailing while driving, and then you make it even > worse by not using Android??? > > > On Thu, 23 May 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> Siri does wonderful things! >> >> --Ryan Coleman >> >> ryanjcole at me.com >> m. 651.373.5015 >> o. 612.568.2749 >> >> On May 23, 2013, at 12:22, Jake Vath wrote: >> >> I was at a rest area. :) >> >> Was? >> Does that mean you are driving currently? ;) >> >> -> Jake >> >> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Ryan Coleman >> wrote: >> I was at a rest area. :) >> >> -- >> Ryan Coleman >> ryanjcole at me.com >> m. 651.373.5015 >> o. 612.568.2749 >> >> On May 23, 2013, at 12:16, Yaron wrote: >> >> > I hope you pulled over to send that. >> > >> > On Thu, 23 May 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> > >> >> Depending on the commitment I might be available. Let me know >> - I'm driving through Iowa at the moment and will be back in MN >> by the 31st. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ryan Coleman >> >> ryanjcole at me.com >> >> m. 651.373.5015 >> >> o. 612.568.2749 >> >> >> >> On May 23, 2013, at 11:39, Erik Mitchell >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for >> someone who >> >>> can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, >> just basic >> >>> networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... >> >>> >> >>> If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> >> >>> Erik >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Erik K. Mitchell >> >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From ryanjcole at me.com Thu May 23 12:30:48 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:30:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? In-Reply-To: References: <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com> <761AC7A3-6C0C-4648-8B78-448AA1168593@me.com> <8A7B21D7-6525-450A-A630-6668D68A0565@me.com> Message-ID: <33F4317A-553C-4C6E-928E-77A671E578BB@me.com> No just driving through to Oshkosh. :) -- Ryan Coleman ryanjcole at me.com m. 651.373.5015 o. 612.568.2749 On May 23, 2013, at 12:29, Erik Mitchell wrote: > That's what you do when you're on a month long cow tipping binge > through the corn belt. > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Yaron wrote: >> Oh my GOD. First you're emailing while driving, and then you make it even >> worse by not using Android??? >> >> >> On Thu, 23 May 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >>> Siri does wonderful things! >>> >>> --Ryan Coleman >>> >>> ryanjcole at me.com >>> m. 651.373.5015 >>> o. 612.568.2749 >>> >>> On May 23, 2013, at 12:22, Jake Vath wrote: >>> >>> I was at a rest area. :) >>> >>> Was? >>> Does that mean you are driving currently? ;) >>> >>> -> Jake >>> >>> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Ryan Coleman >>> wrote: >>> I was at a rest area. :) >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan Coleman >>> ryanjcole at me.com >>> m. 651.373.5015 >>> o. 612.568.2749 >>> >>> On May 23, 2013, at 12:16, Yaron wrote: >>> >>>> I hope you pulled over to send that. >>>> >>>> On Thu, 23 May 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Depending on the commitment I might be available. Let me know >>> - I'm driving through Iowa at the moment and will be back in MN >>> by the 31st. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ryan Coleman >>>>> ryanjcole at me.com >>>>> m. 651.373.5015 >>>>> o. 612.568.2749 >>>>> >>>>> On May 23, 2013, at 11:39, Erik Mitchell >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for >>> someone who >>>>>> can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, >>> just basic >>>>>> networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... >>>>>> >>>>>> If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Erik >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Erik K. Mitchell >>>>>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wdtj at yahoo.com Thu May 23 12:43:21 2013 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1369331001.44913.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> deltaend.com. ? --- Wayne Johnson,???????????? | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N.????????? | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003???????????? | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis >________________________________ > From: Erik Mitchell >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:39 AM >Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? > > >Hi, >A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for someone who >can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, just basic >networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... > >If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! > >Thanks, > >Erik > >-- >Erik K. Mitchell >erik.mitchell at gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri May 24 06:12:22 2013 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 06:12:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendations for onsite IT help? In-Reply-To: References: <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com> Message-ID: i'd recommend myself. i've done cable plant large&tiny, setup servers&networking, comfortable working with folk whether they're waxing savvy, confused, or anywhere in between.. greg 651-705-6688 On May 23, 2013 12:12 PM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: > Depending on the commitment I might be available. Let me know - I'm driving through Iowa at the moment and will be back in MN by the 31st. > > On May 23, 2013, at 11:39, Erik Mitchell wrote: > > Hi, > > A friend of mine is looking for a good recommendation for someone who > > can do on-site IT work in the uptown area. Nothing fancy, just basic > > networking, anti-virus, backups, etc... > > > > If you know anyone that you'd recommend, please share! > > > > Thanks, > > Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Chase at TonkaTeltec.com Fri May 24 06:19:42 2013 From: Chase at TonkaTeltec.com (Chase Remmen) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 11:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job? References: Message-ID: Craig Rosenblum gmail.com> writes: > > I have never worked on any linux server at a job, and only know linux > from installing on my home pc. > > ArchLinux, Linux Mint, Peppermint OS, Penguy OS, and some limited > gentoo knowledge/experience. > > But I would love to find a job that maybe pays less, but helps give me > solid experience doing php/mysql programming on lamp. > > Any suggestions? > > Thank you. > Did you ever find a spot to get some experience? My company is looking to get a few Linux guys involved, and we need those willing to learn, as well as a couple of seasoned vets (also willing to learn)! If you or anyone you know is looking to connect with a good, growing, young (but established) company, please contact me via email...that goes for ANYONE who reads this!!! These would be some of the areas we need and would be a plus, but not limited there: Coding (pretty much any current language is useful), scripting, database, networking, Virtual environments, and/or SIP knowledge is a plus...Loving Linux and ability to learn are musts :) Not a corporate setting! But we play in the corporate world! Depending on the role, mostly from home aside from trips to the colo (15 servers currently...and growing) in DT MPLS or a client's office here and there... Thanks! Chase Tonka Teltec, LLC From Chase at TonkaTeltec.com Fri May 24 08:00:47 2013 From: Chase at TonkaTeltec.com (Chase Remmen) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 13:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [tclug-list] A hello and are there any good CLI guys, and/or gals, looking for projects? Rookies too... Message-ID: Hello all! I am grateful and excited that I found this list...I have been trying to figure out how to connect with the Linux community on some level locally. Being new to learning Linux myself, I had no idea this list existed...thank you to those who make this happen, stay involved and keep it going!!! I have made the plunge personally into learning Linux and after being six months (hands on) into it, I have found a new passion (and challenge)! I look forward to connecting with the community locally and am willing to help anyone out, with the limited knowledge I have in Linux, or any other way I can! I started my current company a year and a half ago and am looking to get a few Linux guys, and/or gals, involved, both on a project basis and possibly moving into a longer term scenario... I need those willing to learn, as well as a couple of seasoned vets (also willing to learn and adapt)! If you or anyone you know is looking to connect with a good, growing, young (but established) company, please get a hold of me...that goes for ANYONE who reads this!!! I am willing to open up the opportunity to the right guys, and/or gals, that are learning as well...(as I am one of those guys!), however am in need of a few who have a solid grounding in a few areas with needs now. These would be some of the areas we need and would be a plus, but not limited there: Coding (pretty much any current language is useful), scripting, database, networking (Nagios?), hardware, help desk/client support, open source Software installs and integration, virtual environments, Sharepoint, SugarCRM and/or SIP knowledge is a plus...Loving Linux and ability to learn and adapt are musts :) Not a corporate setting! But we play in the corporate world! Depending on the role, would be mostly from home, aside from trips to the colo (15 servers currently...and growing) in DT Mpls (soon to be a second in Plymouth) or a client's office here and there, and a few face to face team meetings...hours flexible as long as productive. I hope to hear from some of you, and look forward to interaction regardless! Thanks! Chase Remmen Managing Director Tonka Teltec, LLC chase at tonkateltec dot com From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri May 24 08:54:34 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 08:54:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Help removing a GPG key In-Reply-To: <33F4317A-553C-4C6E-928E-77A671E578BB@me.com> References: , <914A746F-EC3F-40B5-ABBC-C391F363BFBC@me.com>, , <761AC7A3-6C0C-4648-8B78-448AA1168593@me.com>, , <8A7B21D7-6525-450A-A630-6668D68A0565@me.com>, , , <33F4317A-553C-4C6E-928E-77A671E578BB@me.com> Message-ID: First off I hope I am writing this properly my apologies. I seem to have installed a GPG key that I would like to remove I have been researching removal the last 2 hours I need help. paul at paul-HP ~ $ gpg --list-keys /home/paul/.gnupg/pubring.gpg ----------------------------- pub 4096R/7D8D0BF6 2012-03-05 [expires: 2015-03-05] uid Kali Linux Repository sub 4096R/FC0D0DCB 2012-03-05 [expires: 2015-03-05] paul at paul-HP ~ $ I would like to remove the 'Kali Linux Repository' Thank you, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. gpg: key "7D80BF6" not found: eof gpg: 7D80BF6: delete key failed: eof paul at paul-HP ~ $ sudo gpg --delete-key 4096R/7D8D0BF6 gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/paul/.gnupg/gpg.conf' gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.11; Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. gpg: key "4096R/7D8D0BF6" not found: eof gpg: 4096R/7D8D0BF6: delete key failed: eof Guess I am definately missing something. Thank You, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes, sorry that was a typo - I missed one or two characters in the 7D8D0BF6 when I typed it out. -- ++++++++++++++++++++ Michael Berkowski University of Minnesota Libraries PGP Public Key: http://z.umn.edu/mjbpubkey ++++++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rick at real-time.com Fri May 24 12:33:20 2013 From: rick at real-time.com (Rick Tanner) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:33:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Message posting, mailing list archive thread feature (was: Re: Help removing a GPG key) Message-ID: <519FA460.1060300@real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 5/24/13 8:54 AM, Paul graf wrote:> > First off I hope I am writing this properly my apologies. When posting a new question or topic, please start or compose a new email message and then address it to the mailing list with the appropriate subject. Please do *NOT* select or reply to an old message (erase the content, update the subject) and then send it to the mailing list. This breaks the message threading feature in the mailing list archives. http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2013-May/thread.html What that means is, if someone visits the web archive (very common via Google searching, etc.) and wants to follow the entire discussion by clicking on the "thread" link - it will be intermixed with unrelated topics. Thank you, - -- Rick Tanner | Phone : (952) 943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952) 943-8500 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEVAwUBUZ+kYFwn8veVxBRBAQJswwf+Jtj/9Af/v029ySwJoIJwD1GZlPE442IF gB4iLtdxkZCSg2wbNas4sKBcMvVFJx09qWkM4sMPJEtjGnq+KdVBQYw95/jT29yA LBP23Eh1xnYQAQPGABtIg7vMKYXoEzuVBpGUmPxWueIBdIgDKmre/UolZI+lCgQc tClsnzAcMqvWgOwYffk+bCCtGG1tG/EHALLDuHZED8dDXpljHoKUmNTaXPLWnkWq /ZWr19nuib0ZII1PJlgJ3j+DXxzQhIMhdiP5I015H/Z4LV1NBF2A6WnxGaROgA65 epTjxahfw+RO6R91CMaBo5ZJclSsi2qV5dzYn0ufe3DDqPrFMdzLrg== =a8cz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonah.bridger at cyberians.com Fri May 24 14:30:57 2013 From: jonah.bridger at cyberians.com (Jonah Bridger) Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:30:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A hello and are there any good CLI guys, and/or gals, looking for projects? Rookies too... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01ce58b5$37a9c1c0$a6fd4540$@bridger@cyberians.com> Hi Chase, This morning I caught your post inviting those interested in learning linux to work for your company. Currently, I am looking for permanent employment, after having recently completed a contract at UHG. Most of my experience has been on the windows platform, but I am looking for a small/medium business company that will allow for enterprise experience working with Linux, or WAN technologies. I've enclosed my resume for you review - take a look at it and let me know if you think it's a fit. Thanks, Jonah Bridger 612-454-8664 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Chase Remmen Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 8:01 AM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] A hello and are there any good CLI guys, and/or gals, looking for projects? Rookies too... Hello all! I am grateful and excited that I found this list...I have been trying to figure out how to connect with the Linux community on some level locally. Being new to learning Linux myself, I had no idea this list existed...thank you to those who make this happen, stay involved and keep it going!!! I have made the plunge personally into learning Linux and after being six months (hands on) into it, I have found a new passion (and challenge)! I look forward to connecting with the community locally and am willing to help anyone out, with the limited knowledge I have in Linux, or any other way I can! I started my current company a year and a half ago and am looking to get a few Linux guys, and/or gals, involved, both on a project basis and possibly moving into a longer term scenario... I need those willing to learn, as well as a couple of seasoned vets (also willing to learn and adapt)! If you or anyone you know is looking to connect with a good, growing, young (but established) company, please get a hold of me...that goes for ANYONE who reads this!!! I am willing to open up the opportunity to the right guys, and/or gals, that are learning as well...(as I am one of those guys!), however am in need of a few who have a solid grounding in a few areas with needs now. These would be some of the areas we need and would be a plus, but not limited there: Coding (pretty much any current language is useful), scripting, database, networking (Nagios?), hardware, help desk/client support, open source Software installs and integration, virtual environments, Sharepoint, SugarCRM and/or SIP knowledge is a plus...Loving Linux and ability to learn and adapt are musts :) Not a corporate setting! But we play in the corporate world! Depending on the role, would be mostly from home, aside from trips to the colo (15 servers currently...and growing) in DT Mpls (soon to be a second in Plymouth) or a client's office here and there, and a few face to face team meetings...hours flexible as long as productive. I hope to hear from some of you, and look forward to interaction regardless! Thanks! Chase Remmen Managing Director Tonka Teltec, LLC chase at tonkateltec dot com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat May 25 12:10:41 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 12:10:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Memorial Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm glad you are on the list, Paul. You definitely fixed the problem you were having with your mail system. We tolerate some off-topic messages and this one was a mix. You have to think, "If everyone sent a nice message about every holiday, what would happen?" We'd have too many such messages. That's why we avoid doing that even though we might all like a message like that -- it's just not a good use of the list. Of course, it gets worse if we all reply with a "me too" or an argument starts up about whether we should be talking about this in the first place. You get the idea. Regarding the digests -- the problem is with the searching the archives, which are here: http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/ So if someone is looking for info on a certain topic, but entire digests are repeated in the archive, they will find the same thing over and over again, which makes it harder to find the particular info they are searching for. That doesn't apply only to those of us on the list, but to anyone searching the web for info who comes across our archives. Mike On Fri, 24 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > I would like to thank everyone for working with me on my questions > concerning Linux. I once again apologize for hopefully not even right > now writing this message improperly as to mess up the wonderful TCLUG > Linux digest. > > This is off topic but please think about America and the wonderful > country we live in this Memorial weekend. > > Please do let me know if this message was not proper. > > Special thanks to Kennith, Mike, Florin and many others here. > > Sincerly, Paul > > Thank you, From pj.world at hotmail.com Sat May 25 22:24:24 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 22:24:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Memorial Day In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thank you Mike and I understand. Thank You, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Wed May 29 01:21:40 2013 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 01:21:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] * HP Moonshot * @ Penguins Unbound June 1st! Message-ID: <51A59E74.6010002@Goecke-Dolan.com> The May PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday June 1st at TIES, (Yes the May meeting is in June because the last weekend was Memorial Day weekend, and I thought some people would not been able to make it! So I moved the meeting to June 1st.) 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) At this months Penguins Unbound Meeting: HP has launched servers, quite different from any they have released before. Because it is such a change, they have dubbed it "Moonshot"! The servers make use of low power CPU to deliver 45 systems in a single 4.3U chassis! With expectation to double or triple that density! Come and hear Denny Kelly talk about the new HP Moonshot System! Hope to see you there. Thanks! ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Fri May 31 00:13:22 2013 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 00:13:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian gaining ground Message-ID: <20130531001322.e6560fdb356d7a909fb1ca81@jasonhsu.com> For the 6-month ranking, Debian has climbed to #4 on Distrowatch. Debian and its downstream distros occupy 3 of the top 4 spots. Mageia is the lone exception. -- Jason Hsu From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri May 31 01:49:48 2013 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 01:49:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Saturday * HP Moonshot * @ Penguins Unbound June 1st Message-ID: <51A8480C.2010301@Goecke-Dolan.com> The May PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday June 1st at TIES, (Yes the May meeting is in June because the last weekend was Memorial Day weekend, and I thought some people would not been able to make it! So I moved the meeting to June 1st.) 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) At this months Penguins Unbound Meeting: HP has launched servers, quite different from any they have released before. Because it is such a change, they have dubbed it "Moonshot"! The servers make use of low power CPU to deliver 45 systems in a single 4.3U chassis! With expectation to double or triple that density! Come and hear Denny Kelly talk about the new HP Moonshot System! Hope to see you there. Thanks! ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From mgreenly at gmail.com Fri May 31 07:43:55 2013 From: mgreenly at gmail.com (Michael Greenly) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 07:43:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian gaining ground In-Reply-To: <20130531001322.e6560fdb356d7a909fb1ca81@jasonhsu.com> References: <20130531001322.e6560fdb356d7a909fb1ca81@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: I can't figure out why anyone would put any value in the distrowatch numbers. Only a tiny tiny tiny tiny percentage of the people who use Linux even know it exists and the majority of those who do don't go there. It's numbers are truly valueless and even worse they're easily gamed. The Google trend numbers are slightly more interesting but even those I wouldn't put much stock in. http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=debian&cmpt=q On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: > For the 6-month ranking, Debian has climbed to #4 on Distrowatch. Debian > and its downstream distros occupy 3 of the top 4 spots. Mageia is the lone > exception. > > -- > Jason Hsu > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Michael Greenly http://logic-refinery.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's probably been more than 5 since I actually looked around distrowatch, but when I was last looking for a new distro I did go there to see what was popular and to read the reviews/notes about different distros. Even knowing that the numbers are likely gamed shows you that some distro has enough passionate users to care about gaming it. I agree that's is fairly meaningless as an indicator of what existing Linux users are actually using though. -- Michael Moore From mgreenly at gmail.com Fri May 31 09:12:15 2013 From: mgreenly at gmail.com (Michael Greenly) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:12:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian gaining ground In-Reply-To: References: <20130531001322.e6560fdb356d7a909fb1ca81@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: I don't know how a new Linux user would ever find Distrowatch. I think they type "Linux" or maybe they name of a distribution they've already heard of in to Google and go from there. If you go do Google and search "Linux" the Distrowatch site doesn't even show up in the results. I'm convinced it's an artifact of the past and completely irrelevant today. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Michael Moore wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Michael Greenly > wrote: > > I can't figure out why anyone would put any value in the distrowatch > > numbers. Only a tiny tiny tiny tiny percentage of the people who use > Linux > > even know it exists and the majority of those who do don't go there. > It's > > numbers are truly valueless and even worse they're easily gamed. The > Google > > trend numbers are slightly more interesting but even those I wouldn't > put > > much stock in. > > I think it's useful as an indicator of which distros are receiving > attention from people just getting into Linux. Newbies often get sent > there or end up there when they're distro shopping. It's probably been > more than 5 since I actually looked around distrowatch, but when I was > last looking for a new distro I did go there to see what was popular > and to read the reviews/notes about different distros. > > Even knowing that the numbers are likely gamed shows you that some > distro has enough passionate users to care about gaming it. > > I agree that's is fairly meaningless as an indicator of what existing > Linux users are actually using though. > > -- > Michael Moore > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Michael Greenly http://logic-refinery.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From SMiller05 at sjm.com Fri May 31 12:19:26 2013 From: SMiller05 at sjm.com (Miller, Seth) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:19:26 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Accessing iso files Message-ID: I am attempting to flash a bios on an older Dell server that used to be a McAfee Webgateway. McAfee puts their own branded bios on these servers which locks down some of the server features. I found the OEM bios on Dell's website. Among other formats, it comes packaged as a bootable iso. Since this server doesn't have a cdrom drive and the bios feature to boot from usb is disabled, I set up PXE and was able to boot the iso that way. However, when the command executed to initialize the bios flash, an error was thrown stating that the bios update was not a certified McAfee bios. McAfee actually locked down the ability to flash the bios as well. It didn't take long to find out that there is a way to force the update by modifying the autoexec.bat on the iso. However, when I mount the iso in Linux, I don't see any of the files. My assumption is that the iso is using a dos boot loader. What I don't understand is why I can't read those files. Anyway, the objective is to extract the autoexec.bat, modify it and put it back into the file or just create a new iso with the files. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Seth This communication, including any attachments, may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, confidential or legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not a named addressee, you are hereby notified that you are not authorized to read, print, retain a copy of or disseminate any portion of this communication without the consent of the sender and that doing so may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender via return e-mail and delete it from your system. From florin at iucha.net Fri May 31 13:00:35 2013 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:00:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Accessing iso files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130531180035.GY19193@signbit.net> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 05:19:26PM +0000, Miller, Seth wrote: > It didn't take long to find out that there is a way to force the > update by modifying the autoexec.bat on the iso. However, when I mount > the iso in Linux, I don't see any of the files. My assumption is that > the iso is using a dos boot loader. What I don't understand is why I > can't read those files. > > Anyway, the objective is to extract the autoexec.bat, modify it and > put it back into the file or just create a new iso with the files. Any > help or suggestions would be appreciated. What you have there might be an "El-Torito" image, where a 1.44MB or 2.88MB floppy image is loaded into RAM and used to simulate a floppy disk. That image and its contents do not appear when you mount an iso as a filesystem. You'll need to dig in the file using a hex-editor, looking for the FAT or the boot sector to identify where the image starts. Cheers, florin -- Sent from my last battery. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From gsker at skerbitz.org Fri May 31 13:28:30 2013 From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gsker) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:28:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Accessing iso files In-Reply-To: <20130531180035.GY19193@signbit.net> References: <20130531180035.GY19193@signbit.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 May 2013, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 05:19:26PM +0000, Miller, Seth wrote: >> It didn't take long to find out that there is a way to force the >> update by modifying the autoexec.bat on the iso. However, when I mount >> the iso in Linux, I don't see any of the files. My assumption is that >> the iso is using a dos boot loader. What I don't understand is why I >> can't read those files. >> >> Anyway, the objective is to extract the autoexec.bat, modify it and >> put it back into the file or just create a new iso with the files. Any >> help or suggestions would be appreciated. > > What you have there might be an "El-Torito" image, where a 1.44MB or > 2.88MB floppy image is loaded into RAM and used to simulate a floppy > disk. That image and its contents do not appear when you mount an iso > as a filesystem. You'll need to dig in the file using a hex-editor, > looking for the FAT or the boot sector to identify where the image > starts. > > Cheers, > florin > > -- > Sent from my last battery. > You can export the boot image pretty easily. I like the tool isomaster for dealing with bootable ISOs. Takes them apart. Puts them together and makes them bootable. 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It is bus powered and does not have an external power supply. - 3 TrendNet KVM cables. - Free shipping if I ever find the 4th KVM cable. :) - This looks like the correct cable: http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-USB-Cable-Male-TK-CU06/dp/B000P24YBY Asking $30 -- Andrew Zbikowski http://andy.zibnet.us/ Batteries not included. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri May 31 22:54:32 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 22:54:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Creating a PGP key with Linux Message-ID: Can I create a PGP key using the webmail based service 'hotmail'.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From florin at iucha.net Fri May 31 23:31:23 2013 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 23:31:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Creating a PGP key with Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130601043123.GZ19193@signbit.net> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:54:32PM -0500, Paul graf wrote: > Can I create a PGP key using the webmail based service 'hotmail'.? Paul, First, I don't see the connection between 'Linux' and 'hotmail'. Second, there is no point in trusting a key created on a machine you don't control. Cheers, florin -- Sent from my last battery. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And our mail readers are usually quite old-school and allow us to do cool things. What you can do, I guess, is create your own PGP keys using GPG on your desktop, then write all emails in a text editor and save them to a file, then manually use GPG to sign and/or encrypt them (in ASCII mode) and then paste the resulting file into Hotmail. To decrypt/verify a signature, you'd have to do the reverse (i.e., save the "text" of the email to a file and run GPG to decrypt/verify. I don't think Hotmail has anything that'll do that for you. There used to be a service called Hushail that used to do that. Is that what you're looking for, in general? On Fri, 31 May 2013, Paul graf wrote: > > > But Florin I am the system admin on this machine here at home you have a GPG > key in your emails. Sorry for asking > > Thank You, > > From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri May 31 23:57:01 2013 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (Paul graf) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 23:57:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Creating a PGP key with Linux In-Reply-To: References: , , <20130601043123.GZ19193@signbit.net>, , Message-ID: Yes that is the answer I was looking for Yarin but it seems so difficult for me to grasp the PGP key concept. Thank you for replying you were most helpful in answering my question. Thank You, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: