From jglouisjr at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 09:35:22 2012 From: jglouisjr at gmail.com (James Louis) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 09:35:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] emulex lpe 11002-e to netapp (snapdrive) howto Message-ID: Hello everyone, I am looking for a definitive howto on getting anEmulex LPE 11002-e fibre card to work with NetApp's Snapdrive. Trying to follow directions from the two companies support site is like trying to dig a tunnel starting at both ends and meeting in the middle. But the middle isn't defined. If anyone has knowledge on getting these two to work together and would care to share that would be great. I'm using CentOS 6.2 and the drivers appear to be present. I can get the WWN numbers which I've supplied to my network group. Any help is appreciated. I hate to be stumbling around trying to get this to work. You would think this would be old hat at this point. I know when I did this for EMC and Oracle RAC there was a step by step provided by Oracle. In this case we will be using MySQL and I can't find anything straight forward. Thanks, Jim -- To be is to do = Immanuel Kant To do is to be = Descartes. Do be do be do = Frank Sinatra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adam at askewview.net Mon Feb 6 20:21:59 2012 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam Barthelemy) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:21:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] emulex lpe 11002-e to netapp (snapdrive) howto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F308AC7.4000006@askewview.net> In all honesty you shouldn't need snapdrive unless you are trying to use the server to try and present additional storage directly via CLI on the server or trying to script and initiate snapshots via snapdrive. If all you're looking to do is simply present a LUN to the server have the team that manages the fiber switches zone up the server to the netapp. Have the SAN group create a lun on the netapp and then create an igroup with the WWN of your server and have them present the lun to that igroup. --Adam On 2/6/2012 9:35 AM, James Louis wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am looking for a definitive howto on getting anEmulex LPE 11002-e > fibre card to work with NetApp's Snapdrive. Trying to follow > directions from the two companies support site is like trying to dig a > tunnel starting at both ends and meeting in the middle. But the middle > isn't defined. > > If anyone has knowledge on getting these two to work together and > would care to share that would be great. > > I'm using CentOS 6.2 and the drivers appear to be present. I can get > the WWN numbers which I've supplied to my network group. > > Any help is appreciated. I hate to be stumbling around trying to get > this to work. You would think this would be old hat at this point. > > I know when I did this for EMC and Oracle RAC there was a step by step > provided by Oracle. In this case we will be using MySQL and I can't > find anything straight forward. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > -- > To be is to do = Immanuel Kant > To do is to be = Descartes. > Do be do be do = Frank Sinatra > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 7 06:01:29 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:01:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter Message-ID: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> I use a box for both mythtv and streaming vlc. I need to kill mythtvbackend to make the dvb adapter available to vlc, which is not a problem. However, something has changed that I am not aware of and even though I killall myth, vlc says the dvb adapter is not available. Is there a way to issue a command that frees up the adapter, regardless of what is using it, or at least find the process that is using it? From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 7 10:58:28 2012 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:58:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter In-Reply-To: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> References: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> Message-ID: Out of curiosity, why don't you just use MythTV to do the streaming, too? You can tell it to use VLC as the video player. On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: > I use a box for both mythtv and streaming vlc. I need to kill mythtvbackend > to make the dvb adapter available to vlc, which is not a problem. However, > something has changed that I am not aware of and even though I killall myth, > vlc says the dvb adapter is not available. Is there a way to issue a command > that frees up the adapter, regardless of what is using it, or at least find > the process that is using it? > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 7 11:26:52 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:26:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter In-Reply-To: References: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4F315EDC.9080305@lctn.org> I'm streaming live TV using vlc and changing channels via an HTTP interface. I use mthtv for making and watching recordings. On 2/7/2012 10:58 AM, Yaron wrote: > Out of curiosity, why don't you just use MythTV to do the streaming, > too? You can tell it to use VLC as the video player. > > On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: > >> I use a box for both mythtv and streaming vlc. I need to kill >> mythtvbackend to make the dvb adapter available to vlc, which is not >> a problem. However, something has changed that I am not aware of and >> even though I killall myth, vlc says the dvb adapter is not >> available. Is there a way to issue a command that frees up the >> adapter, regardless of what is using it, or at least find the >> process that is using it? >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 7 11:40:25 2012 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 11:40:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter In-Reply-To: <4F315EDC.9080305@lctn.org> References: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> <4F315EDC.9080305@lctn.org> Message-ID: MythTV can stream livetv... not sure about the channel changing. I use a, what's it called... newfangled thing... remote control! (: On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: > I'm streaming live TV using vlc and changing channels via an HTTP > interface. I use mthtv for making and watching recordings. > > > > On 2/7/2012 10:58 AM, Yaron wrote: >> Out of curiosity, why don't you just use MythTV to do the streaming, too? >> You can tell it to use VLC as the video player. >> >> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >> >>> I use a box for both mythtv and streaming vlc. I need to kill >>> mythtvbackend to make the dvb adapter available to vlc, which is not a >>> problem. However, something has changed that I am not aware of and even >>> though I killall myth, vlc says the dvb adapter is not available. Is there >>> a way to issue a command that frees up the adapter, regardless of what is >>> using it, or at least find the process that is using it? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 7 11:48:02 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:48:02 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter In-Reply-To: References: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> <4F315EDC.9080305@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4F3163D2.8000205@lctn.org> Right... Mythtv can stream live, but with VLC, I can stream live and change channels from any portable device, no remote needed :) On 2/7/2012 11:40 AM, Yaron wrote: > MythTV can stream livetv... not sure about the channel changing. I use > a, what's it called... newfangled thing... remote control! (: > > On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: > >> I'm streaming live TV using vlc and changing channels via an HTTP >> interface. I use mthtv for making and watching recordings. >> >> >> >> On 2/7/2012 10:58 AM, Yaron wrote: >>> Out of curiosity, why don't you just use MythTV to do the streaming, >>> too? You can tell it to use VLC as the video player. >>> >>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >>> >>>> I use a box for both mythtv and streaming vlc. I need to kill >>>> mythtvbackend to make the dvb adapter available to vlc, which is >>>> not a problem. However, something has changed that I am not aware >>>> of and even though I killall myth, vlc says the dvb adapter is not >>>> available. Is there a way to issue a command that frees up the >>>> adapter, regardless of what is using it, or at least find the >>>> process that is using it? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Yaron >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 7 11:49:44 2012 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 11:49:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter In-Reply-To: <4F3163D2.8000205@lctn.org> References: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> <4F315EDC.9080305@lctn.org> <4F3163D2.8000205@lctn.org> Message-ID: I hate to be pushing MythTV rather than offering a solution, but I'm fairly sure Myth has a network RC interface. (Also I prefer to have one remote control for everything rather than separate "portable devices" for each device). On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: > Right... Mythtv can stream live, but with VLC, I can stream live and change > channels from any portable device, no remote needed :) > > > > > On 2/7/2012 11:40 AM, Yaron wrote: >> MythTV can stream livetv... not sure about the channel changing. I use a, >> what's it called... newfangled thing... remote control! (: >> >> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >> >>> I'm streaming live TV using vlc and changing channels via an HTTP >>> interface. I use mthtv for making and watching recordings. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/7/2012 10:58 AM, Yaron wrote: >>>> Out of curiosity, why don't you just use MythTV to do the streaming, too? >>>> You can tell it to use VLC as the video player. >>>> >>>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >>>> >>>>> I use a box for both mythtv and streaming vlc. I need to kill >>>>> mythtvbackend to make the dvb adapter available to vlc, which is not a >>>>> problem. However, something has changed that I am not aware of and even >>>>> though I killall myth, vlc says the dvb adapter is not available. Is >>>>> there a way to issue a command that frees up the adapter, regardless of >>>>> what is using it, or at least find the process that is using it? >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Yaron >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 7 11:59:48 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:59:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter In-Reply-To: References: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> <4F315EDC.9080305@lctn.org> <4F3163D2.8000205@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4F316694.1090609@lctn.org> You don't have to convince me of MythTV. I have used it for years and love it. However, I am not streaming just on a LAN, but across the Internet and VLC works perfectly for that. Once in a while, I do use myth streaming, but at the moment, I prefer the full functionality I get with VLC. Feel free to answer my original question :) On 2/7/2012 11:49 AM, Yaron wrote: > I hate to be pushing MythTV rather than offering a solution, but I'm > fairly sure Myth has a network RC interface. > > (Also I prefer to have one remote control for everything rather than > separate "portable devices" for each device). > > On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: > >> Right... Mythtv can stream live, but with VLC, I can stream live and >> change channels from any portable device, no remote needed :) >> >> >> >> >> On 2/7/2012 11:40 AM, Yaron wrote: >>> MythTV can stream livetv... not sure about the channel changing. I >>> use a, what's it called... newfangled thing... remote control! (: >>> >>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >>> >>>> I'm streaming live TV using vlc and changing channels via an HTTP >>>> interface. I use mthtv for making and watching recordings. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/7/2012 10:58 AM, Yaron wrote: >>>>> Out of curiosity, why don't you just use MythTV to do the >>>>> streaming, too? You can tell it to use VLC as the video player. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I use a box for both mythtv and streaming vlc. I need to kill >>>>>> mythtvbackend to make the dvb adapter available to vlc, which is >>>>>> not a problem. However, something has changed that I am not aware >>>>>> of and even though I killall myth, vlc says the dvb adapter is >>>>>> not available. Is there a way to issue a command that frees up >>>>>> the adapter, regardless of what is using it, or at least find >>>>>> the process that is using it? >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Yaron >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Yaron >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 7 11:59:36 2012 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 11:59:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter In-Reply-To: <4F316694.1090609@lctn.org> References: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> <4F315EDC.9080305@lctn.org> <4F3163D2.8000205@lctn.org> <4F316694.1090609@lctn.org> Message-ID: Have you tried shutting down both mythfrontend and mythbackend in a tidy way? On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: > You don't have to convince me of MythTV. I have used it for years and love > it. However, I am not streaming just on a LAN, but across the Internet and > VLC works perfectly for that. Once in a while, I do use myth streaming, but > at the moment, I prefer the full functionality I get with VLC. > > Feel free to answer my original question :) > > > > > On 2/7/2012 11:49 AM, Yaron wrote: >> I hate to be pushing MythTV rather than offering a solution, but I'm fairly >> sure Myth has a network RC interface. >> >> (Also I prefer to have one remote control for everything rather than >> separate "portable devices" for each device). >> >> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >> >>> Right... Mythtv can stream live, but with VLC, I can stream live and >>> change channels from any portable device, no remote needed :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/7/2012 11:40 AM, Yaron wrote: >>>> MythTV can stream livetv... not sure about the channel changing. I use a, >>>> what's it called... newfangled thing... remote control! (: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm streaming live TV using vlc and changing channels via an HTTP >>>>> interface. I use mthtv for making and watching recordings. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/7/2012 10:58 AM, Yaron wrote: >>>>>> Out of curiosity, why don't you just use MythTV to do the streaming, >>>>>> too? You can tell it to use VLC as the video player. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I use a box for both mythtv and streaming vlc. I need to kill >>>>>>> mythtvbackend to make the dvb adapter available to vlc, which is not a >>>>>>> problem. However, something has changed that I am not aware of and >>>>>>> even though I killall myth, vlc says the dvb adapter is not available. >>>>>>> Is there a way to issue a command that frees up the adapter, >>>>>>> regardless of what is using it, or at least find the process that is >>>>>>> using it? >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Yaron >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Yaron >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 7 12:15:14 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:15:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <26573011.561328638514487.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> With Mythfrontend, escaping out of it closes it. I have used services and init.d to close the backend,. This always worked before. Not sure what changed. ----- "Yaron" wrote: Have you tried shutting down both mythfrontend and mythbackend in a tidy way? On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: > You don't have to convince me of MythTV. I have used it for years and love > it. However, I am not streaming just on a LAN, but across the Internet and > VLC works perfectly for that. Once in a while, I do use myth streaming, but > at the moment, I prefer the full functionality I get with VLC. > > Feel free to answer my original question :) > > > > > On 2/7/2012 11:49 AM, Yaron wrote: >> I hate to be pushing MythTV rather than offering a solution, but I'm fairly >> sure Myth has a network RC interface. >> >> (Also I prefer to have one remote control for everything rather than >> separate "portable devices" for each device). >> >> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >> >>> Right... Mythtv can stream live, but with VLC, I can stream live and >>> change channels from any portable device, no remote needed :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/7/2012 11:40 AM, Yaron wrote: >>>> MythTV can stream livetv... not sure about the channel changing. I use a, >>>> what's it called... newfangled thing... remote control! (: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm streaming live TV using vlc and changing channels via an HTTP >>>>> interface. I use mthtv for making and watching recordings. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/7/2012 10:58 AM, Yaron wrote: >>>>>> Out of curiosity, why don't you just use MythTV to do the streaming, >>>>>> too? You can tell it to use VLC as the video player. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I use a box for both mythtv and streaming vlc. I need to kill >>>>>>> mythtvbackend to make the dvb adapter available to vlc, which is not a >>>>>>> problem. However, something has changed that I am not aware of and >>>>>>> even though I killall myth, vlc says the dvb adapter is not available. >>>>>>> Is there a way to issue a command that frees up the adapter, >>>>>>> regardless of what is using it, or at least find the process that is >>>>>>> using it? >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Yaron >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Yaron >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Raymond Norton LCTN Ecclesiastes 7:21-22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.meier at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 12:09:29 2012 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:09:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter In-Reply-To: References: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> <4F315EDC.9080305@lctn.org> <4F3163D2.8000205@lctn.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Yaron wrote: > I hate to be pushing MythTV rather than offering a solution, but I'm > fairly sure Myth has a network RC interface. > > (Also I prefer to have one remote control for everything rather than > separate "portable devices" for each device). > > > Yup - there's a remote control interface at http:///remote/remote-wide.html - I just used if for the first time last weekend - my wife could not figure out how to switch inputs and I was out patrolling at the local ski hill, so I VPN'ed into my network on my phone and pulled up the remote and switched the input. Worked out good! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 7 12:25:52 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:25:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter In-Reply-To: References: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> <4F315EDC.9080305@lctn.org> <4F3163D2.8000205@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4F316CB0.4000402@lctn.org> Yes, that is a remote for a frontend, which would be on your LAN. On 2/7/2012 12:09 PM, John Meier wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Yaron > wrote: > > I hate to be pushing MythTV rather than offering a solution, but > I'm fairly sure Myth has a network RC interface. > > (Also I prefer to have one remote control for everything rather > than separate "portable devices" for each device). > > > > Yup - there's a remote control interface at > http:///remote/remote-wide.html - I just used if for the > first time last weekend - my wife could not figure out how to switch > inputs and I was out patrolling at the local ski hill, so I VPN'ed > into my network on my phone and pulled up the remote and switched the > input. Worked out good! > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 7 16:25:44 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:25:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] freeing up dvb adapter In-Reply-To: References: <4F311299.3070808@lctn.org> <4F315EDC.9080305@lctn.org> <4F3163D2.8000205@lctn.org> <4F316694.1090609@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4F31A4E8.3070904@lctn.org> I used fuse to find the process hanging on to adapter0. It was mythtvbackend, yet "ps -A" didn't show the process. I killed it a couple more times until fuse came up empty. VLC worked after that. On 2/7/2012 11:59 AM, Yaron wrote: > Have you tried shutting down both mythfrontend and mythbackend in a > tidy way? > > On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: > >> You don't have to convince me of MythTV. I have used it for years and >> love it. However, I am not streaming just on a LAN, but across the >> Internet and VLC works perfectly for that. Once in a while, I do use >> myth streaming, but at the moment, I prefer the full functionality I >> get with VLC. >> >> Feel free to answer my original question :) >> >> >> >> >> On 2/7/2012 11:49 AM, Yaron wrote: >>> I hate to be pushing MythTV rather than offering a solution, but I'm >>> fairly sure Myth has a network RC interface. >>> >>> (Also I prefer to have one remote control for everything rather than >>> separate "portable devices" for each device). >>> >>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >>> >>>> Right... Mythtv can stream live, but with VLC, I can stream live >>>> and change channels from any portable device, no remote needed :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/7/2012 11:40 AM, Yaron wrote: >>>>> MythTV can stream livetv... not sure about the channel changing. I >>>>> use a, what's it called... newfangled thing... remote control! (: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm streaming live TV using vlc and changing channels via an >>>>>> HTTP interface. I use mthtv for making and watching recordings. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/7/2012 10:58 AM, Yaron wrote: >>>>>>> Out of curiosity, why don't you just use MythTV to do the >>>>>>> streaming, too? You can tell it to use VLC as the video player. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Raymond Norton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use a box for both mythtv and streaming vlc. I need to kill >>>>>>>> mythtvbackend to make the dvb adapter available to vlc, which >>>>>>>> is not a problem. However, something has changed that I am not >>>>>>>> aware of and even though I killall myth, vlc says the dvb >>>>>>>> adapter is not available. Is there a way to issue a command >>>>>>>> that frees up the adapter, regardless of what is using it, or >>>>>>>> at least find the process that is using it? >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Yaron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Yaron >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Yaron >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at lctn.org Thu Feb 9 14:54:37 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:54:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Memory error help Message-ID: <4F34328D.6040108@lctn.org> I am attempting to install a Hauppauge HVR-1600 on an Ubuntu box, but am getting the following in dmesg: Any suggestions how to get past the error? [ 13.878073] cx18: Start initialization, version 1.2.0 [ 13.878174] cx18-0: Initializing card 0 [ 13.878179] cx18-0: Autodetected Hauppauge card [ 13.895275] cx18 0000:04:01.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 48 (level, low) -> IRQ 48 [ 13.895283] cx18-0: Cannot request encoder memory region, card 0 [ 13.909363] cx18-0: Error -5 on initialization [ 13.909411] cx18: probe of 0000:04:01.0 failed with error -5 [ 13.909535] cx18: End initialization From jolexa at jolexa.net Thu Feb 9 15:16:05 2012 From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:16:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Memory error help In-Reply-To: <4F34328D.6040108@lctn.org> References: <4F34328D.6040108@lctn.org> Message-ID: Looks like you might have to build newer drivers? Not sure, depends on OS and package versions but the post is lacking that info. Anyway, I dug this up with GOOG. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1717962 -Jeremy On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am attempting to install a Hauppauge HVR-1600 on an Ubuntu box, but am > getting the following in dmesg: > > Any suggestions how to get past the error? > > [ ? 13.878073] cx18: ?Start initialization, version 1.2.0 > [ ? 13.878174] cx18-0: Initializing card 0 > [ ? 13.878179] cx18-0: Autodetected Hauppauge card > [ ? 13.895275] cx18 0000:04:01.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 48 (level, low) -> IRQ 48 > [ ? 13.895283] cx18-0: Cannot request encoder memory region, card 0 > [ ? 13.909363] cx18-0: Error -5 on initialization > [ ? 13.909411] cx18: probe of 0000:04:01.0 failed with error -5 > [ ? 13.909535] cx18: ?End initialization > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From galanolwe at yahoo.com Thu Feb 9 18:26:11 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:26:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Noob needs to add driver Message-ID: <1328833571.46698.YahooMailNeo@web161606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm a rank amateur at serious kernel stuff, so I'm coming to you folks. My Thinkpad T61 puts off lots of heat. I lift it up and it's VERY hot. I fear for its health. I'm going to reapply thermal grease, but I've found a page that talks about a driver here:?http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Thinkpad-acpi ?With this driver installed I can supposedly install software that will control the fan. Can I get some coaching on how to install this driver? Olwe GM,MN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 18:36:15 2012 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 18:36:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Noob needs to add driver In-Reply-To: <1328833571.46698.YahooMailNeo@web161606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1328833571.46698.YahooMailNeo@web161606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Olwe, What distribution are you using? -Erik On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I'm a rank amateur at serious kernel stuff, so I'm coming to you folks. My > Thinkpad T61 puts off lots of heat. I lift it up and it's VERY hot. I fear > for its health. I'm going to reapply thermal grease, but I've found a page > that talks about a driver here:?http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Thinkpad-acpi > ?With this driver installed I can supposedly install software that will > control the fan. Can I get some coaching on how to install this driver? > > Olwe > GM,MN > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From galanolwe at yahoo.com Thu Feb 9 18:55:08 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:55:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Noob needs to add driver In-Reply-To: References: <1328833571.46698.YahooMailNeo@web161606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1328835308.5958.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Noob needs to add driver Hi Olwe, What distribution are you using? -Erik Sorry! I'm on Ubuntu 11.10-64. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I'm a rank amateur at serious kernel stuff, so I'm coming to you folks. My > Thinkpad T61 puts off lots of heat. I lift it up and it's VERY hot. I fear > for its health. I'm going to reapply thermal grease, but I've found a page > that talks about a driver here:?http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Thinkpad-acpi > ?With this driver installed I can supposedly install software that will > control the fan. 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Here's the output of dmesg and lsmod: erikm at hemingway:~$ dmesg | grep acpi [148892.948904] thinkpad_acpi: ACPI backlight control delay disabled [1045284.497027] thinkpad_acpi: ACPI backlight control delay disabled [1269770.057042] thinkpad_acpi: ACPI backlight control delay disabled erikm at hemingway:~$ lsmod | grep acpi acpi_cpufreq 12807 1 mperf 12421 1 acpi_cpufreq thinkpad_acpi 47494 0 rfkill 18516 5 thinkpad_acpi,bluetooth,cfg80211 snd 38551 13 snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,thinkpad_acpi,snd_seq,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_seq_device nvram 12897 1 thinkpad_acpi processor 27389 3 acpi_cpufreq If you open a terminal and type the following commands: $ dmesg | grep acpi $ lsmod | grep acpi The first command shows bootup messages from the kernel (the grep acpi filters out lines that don't contain "acpi"). The second command lists the current loaded modules (aka drivers). What you can see on my machine is that the thinkpad_acpi module is loaded. You should be able to run these commands on your machine to see if you already have this module loaded. -Erik On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Noob needs to add driver > > Hi Olwe, > What distribution are you using? > > -Erik > > Sorry! I'm on Ubuntu 11.10-64. > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: >> I'm a rank amateur at serious kernel stuff, so I'm coming to you folks. My >> Thinkpad T61 puts off lots of heat. I lift it up and it's VERY hot. I fear >> for its health. I'm going to reapply thermal grease, but I've found a page >> that talks about a driver >> here:?http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Thinkpad-acpi >> ?With this driver installed I can supposedly install software that will >> control the fan. Can I get some coaching on how to install this driver? >> >> Olwe >> GM,MN > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 12:13:15 2012 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:13:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Electronic Security a Worry in an Age of Digital Espionage Message-ID: Welcome to the Digital Cold War... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/technology/electronic-security-a-worry-in-an-age-of-digital-espionage.html N.Y. Times February 10, 2012 Traveling Light in a Time of Digital Thievery By NICOLE PERLROTH SAN FRANCISCO -- When Kenneth G. Lieberthal, a China expert at the Brookings Institution, travels to that country, he follows a routine that seems straight from a spy film. He leaves his cellphone and laptop at home and instead brings "loaner" devices, which he erases before he leaves the United States and wipes clean the minute he returns. In China, he disables Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, never lets his phone out of his sight and, in meetings, not only turns off his phone but also removes the battery, for fear his microphone could be turned on remotely. He connects to the Internet only through an encrypted, password-protected channel, and copies and pastes his password from a USB thumb drive. He never types in a password directly, because, he said, "the Chinese are very good at installing key-logging software on your laptop." What might have once sounded like the behavior of a paranoid is now standard operating procedure for officials at American government agencies, research groups and companies that do business in China and Russia -- like Google, the State Department and the Internet security giant McAfee. Digital espionage in these countries, security experts say, is a real and growing threat -- whether in pursuit of confidential government information or corporate trade secrets. "If a company has significant intellectual property that the Chinese and Russians are interested in, and you go over there with mobile devices, your devices will get penetrated," said Joel F. Brenner, formerly the top counterintelligence official in the office of the director of national intelligence. Theft of trade secrets was long the work of insiders -- corporate moles or disgruntled employees. But it has become easier to steal information remotely because of the Internet, the proliferation of smartphones and the inclination of employees to plug their personal devices into workplace networks and cart proprietary information around. Hackers' preferred modus operandi, security experts say, is to break into employees' portable devices and leapfrog into employers' networks -- stealing secrets while leaving nary a trace. Targets of hack attacks are reluctant to discuss them and statistics are scarce. Most breaches go unreported, security experts say, because corporate victims fear what disclosure might mean for their stock price, or because those affected never knew they were hacked in the first place. But the scope of the problem is illustrated by an incident at the United States Chamber of Commerce in 2010. The chamber did not learn that it -- and its member organizations -- were the victims of a cybertheft that had lasted for months until the Federal Bureau of Investigation told the group that servers in China were stealing information from four of its Asia policy experts, who frequent China. By the time the chamber secured its network, hackers had pilfered at least six weeks worth of e-mails with its member organizations, which include most of the nation's largest corporations. Later still, the chamber discovered that its office printer and even a thermostat in one of its corporate apartments were still communicating with an Internet address in China. The chamber did not disclose how hackers had infiltrated its systems, but its first step after the attack was to bar employees from taking devices with them "to certain countries," notably China, a spokesman said. The implication, said Jacob Olcott, a cybersecurity expert at Good Harbor Consulting, was that devices brought into China were hacked. "Everybody knows that if you are doing business in China, in the 21st century, you don't bring anything with you. That's `Business 101' -- at least it should be." Neither the Chinese nor Russian embassies in Washington responded to several requests for comment. But after Google accused Chinese hackers of breaking into its systems in 2010, Chinese officials gave this statement: "China is committed to protecting the legitimate rights and interests of foreign companies in our country." Still, United States security experts and government officials say they are increasingly concerned about breaches from within these countries into corporate networks -- whether through mobile devices or other means. Last week, James R. Clapper, the director of national intelligence, warned in testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee about theft of trade secrets by "entities" within China and Russia. And Mike McConnell, a former director of national intelligence, and now a private consultant, said in an interview, "In looking at computer systems of consequence -- in government, Congress, at the Department of Defense, aerospace, companies with valuable trade secrets -- we've not examined one yet that has not been infected by an advanced persistent threat." Both China and Russia prohibit travelers from entering the country with encrypted devices unless they have government permission. When officials from those countries visit the United States, they take extra precautions to prevent the hacking of their portable devices, according to security experts. Now, United States companies, government agencies and organizations are doing the same by imposing do-not-carry rules. Representative Mike Rogers, the Michigan Republican who is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said its members could bring only "clean" devices to China and were forbidden from connecting to the government's network while abroad. As for himself, he said he traveled "electronically naked." At the State Department, employees get specific instruction on how to secure their devices in Russia and China, and are briefed annually on general principles of security. At the Brookings Institution, Mr. Lieberthal advises companies that do business in China. He said that there was no formal policy mandating that employees leave their devices at home, "but they certainly educate employees who travel to China and Russia to do so." McAfee, the security company, said that if any employee's device was inspected at the Chinese border, it could never be plugged into McAfee's network again. Ever. "We just wouldn't take the risk," said Simon Hunt, a vice president. At AirPatrol, a company based in Columbia, Md., that specializes in wireless security systems, employees take only loaner devices to China and Russia, never enable Bluetooth and always switch off the microphone and camera. "We operate under the assumption that we will inevitably be compromised," said Tom Kellermann, the company's chief technology officer and a member of President Obama's commission on cybersecurity. Google said it would not comment on its internal travel policies, but employees who spoke on condition of anonymity said the company prohibited them from bringing sensitive data to China, required they bring only loaner laptops or have their devices inspected upon their return. Federal lawmakers are considering bills aimed at thwarting cybertheft of trade secrets, although it is unclear whether this legislation would directly address problems that arise from business trips overseas. In the meantime, companies are leaking critical information, often without realizing it. "The Chinese are very good at covering their tracks," said Scott Aken, a former F.B.I. agent who specialized in counterintelligence and computer intrusion. "In most cases, companies don't realize they've been burned until years later when a foreign competitor puts out their very same product -- only they're making it 30 percent cheaper." "We've already lost our manufacturing base," he said. "Now we're losing our R.& D. base. If we lose that, what do we fall back on?" From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 14:24:55 2012 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:24:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Electronic Security a Worry in an Age of Digital Espionage Message-ID: That's interesting. And China and Russia just vetoed a vote to help get rid of the Syrian dictator. I'm glad to see people burning Russian flags in the streets of Syria. Putin's popularity is fading pretty quickly so hope Russia will find a better public servant. Someone gave me a coat for Christmas that was made in China. The zipper was cheap and I didn't need a new coat, so the goat was returned and I got cash instead. I feel sorry for Taiwan. They have it tough being so close to China. Fortunately Taiwan makes a lot of quality products including Acer computers. -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dburkland at dburkland.com Mon Feb 6 22:03:40 2012 From: dburkland at dburkland.com (Dan Burkland) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:03:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] emulex lpe 11002-e to netapp (snapdrive) howto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: James, Can you create LUNs with the SnapDrive installation on your CentOS 6.2 box? If not what error messages do you receive. Do you plan on using some 3rd party product that integrates with MySQL and utilizes the NetApp snaps for DB backups? Regards, Dan Sent from my iPhone, please excuse typos. On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:00 PM, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 09:35:22 -0600 > From: James Louis > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] emulex lpe 11002-e to netapp (snapdrive) howto > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello everyone, > > I am looking for a definitive howto on getting anEmulex LPE 11002-e fibre > card to work with NetApp's Snapdrive. Trying to follow directions from the > two companies support site is like trying to dig a tunnel starting at both > ends and meeting in the middle. But the middle isn't defined. > > If anyone has knowledge on getting these two to work together and would > care to share that would be great. > > I'm using CentOS 6.2 and the drivers appear to be present. I can get the > WWN numbers which I've supplied to my network group. > > Any help is appreciated. I hate to be stumbling around trying to get this > to work. You would think this would be old hat at this point. > > I know when I did this for EMC and Oracle RAC there was a step by step > provided by Oracle. In this case we will be using MySQL and I can't find > anything straight forward. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > -- > To be is to do = Immanuel Kant > To do is to be = Descartes. > Do be do be do = Frank Sinatra > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 2 > ***************************************** From theonlyrealperson at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 12:39:21 2012 From: theonlyrealperson at gmail.com (J. Eiden) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:39:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Memory error help Message-ID: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:54:37 -0600 > From: Raymond Norton > To: TCLUG > Subject: [tclug-list] Memory error help > Message-ID: <4F34328D.6040108 at lctn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I am attempting to install a Hauppauge HVR-1600 on an Ubuntu box, but am > getting the following in dmesg: > > Any suggestions how to get past the error? > > [ 13.878073] cx18: Start initialization, version 1.2.0 > [ 13.878174] cx18-0: Initializing card 0 > [ 13.878179] cx18-0: Autodetected Hauppauge card > [ 13.895275] cx18 0000:04:01.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 48 (level, low) -> IRQ 48 > [ 13.895283] cx18-0: Cannot request encoder memory region, card 0 > [ 13.909363] cx18-0: Error -5 on initialization > [ 13.909411] cx18: probe of 0000:04:01.0 failed with error -5 > [ 13.909535] cx18: End initialization > > I have the same card, and although it's been a long time since I've set it up, I do remember that you need to download the firmware for it and put it in /lib/firmware. The cx18 driver is for the analog side of the card - are you still using that? You can get the analog firmware from here: http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/cx18-firmware.tar.gz The digital tuner firmware (using the cx23418 module/driver) you can get on LinuxTV.org. From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 14 14:29:49 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:29:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] php script help Message-ID: <4F3AC43D.1010001@lctn.org> I am attempting to run the following via a php page: This works fine using php on the command line, but not via a browser. The vlc process launches, but it does not actually stream. I'm guessing it is an environment variable or need for a shell. An ideas what I am missing? From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Tue Feb 14 14:39:52 2012 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:39:52 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] php script help In-Reply-To: <4F3AC43D.1010001@lctn.org> References: <4F3AC43D.1010001@lctn.org> Message-ID: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBB2FE2@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> > works fine using php on the command line, but not via a browser. Have you checked your web-server's error log? That's how I debug perl-driven web pages. From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 14 14:50:04 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:50:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] php script help In-Reply-To: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBB2FE2@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <4F3AC43D.1010001@lctn.org> <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBB2FE2@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <4F3AC8FC.6070803@lctn.org> Should have thought of that. Might be a permissions issue with the dvb adapter. On 02/14/2012 02:39 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: >> works fine using php on the command line, but not via a browser. > Have you checked your web-server's error log? > > That's how I debug perl-driven web pages. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tpenney at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 16:29:59 2012 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:29:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] php script help In-Reply-To: <4F3AC8FC.6070803@lctn.org> References: <4F3AC43D.1010001@lctn.org> <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBB2FE2@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4F3AC8FC.6070803@lctn.org> Message-ID: it could also be that the php can not find the command "cvlc". when you are on a command line there are environmental variables that define where to look for commands from the command line type "which cvlc" this should return a full path to the command. something like "/user/bin/something/cvlc" then in your script replace the command with the full path. exec("/user/bin/something/cvlc dvb:// :dvb-adapter=1 :no-video --sout '#standard{access=http,mux=asf,dst=10.10.1.53:8181}'"); On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > Should have thought of that. Might be a permissions issue with the dvb > adapter. > > > > > On 02/14/2012 02:39 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: >>> >>> ?works fine using php on the command line, but not via a browser. >> >> Have you checked your web-server's error log? >> >> That's how I debug perl-driven web pages. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney 612.208.2568 From admin at lctn.org Tue Feb 14 21:53:22 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:53:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] php script help In-Reply-To: References: <4F3AC43D.1010001@lctn.org> <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBB2FE2@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4F3AC8FC.6070803@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4F3B2C32.2050300@lctn.org> It finds cvlc fine, but there are other considerations to take in account because of the way it is being launched. I have gotten 1 version of the script to run, using ./dev./video0 as the source, but not the dvb adapter. One caveat I ran into by running it as www-data is that vlc expects to create a .local folder in /var/www. Maybe a question for the PHP group. On 2/14/2012 4:29 PM, Tom Penney wrote: > it could also be that the php can not find the command "cvlc". when > you are on a command line there are environmental variables that > define where to look for commands > > from the command line type "which cvlc" this should return a full path > to the command. something like > "/user/bin/something/cvlc" > > then in your script replace the command with the full path. > > exec("/user/bin/something/cvlc dvb:// :dvb-adapter=1 :no-video --sout > '#standard{access=http,mux=asf,dst=10.10.1.53:8181}'"); > > > > From tpenney at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 09:52:54 2012 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:52:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] php script help In-Reply-To: <4F3B2C32.2050300@lctn.org> References: <4F3AC43D.1010001@lctn.org> <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBB2FE2@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4F3AC8FC.6070803@lctn.org> <4F3B2C32.2050300@lctn.org> Message-ID: Its probably a permissions issue with the device then as you suspected. you may also have to give www-data permission to write to /var/www for testing which is not recommended, but it that works you can first 'cd' to a directory where www-data does have permission to create a directory -or- see if there is a command line option to change the location that the command uses for temporary files. the error logs should shed some lite on what is tripping it up. exec ('cd /tmp/'); exec("cvlc dvb:// :dvb-adapter=1 :no-video --sout ... On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > It finds cvlc fine, but there are other considerations to take in account > because of the way it is being launched. I have gotten 1 version of the > script to run, using ./dev./video0 as the source, but not the dvb adapter. > One caveat I ran into by running it as www-data is that vlc expects to > create a .local folder in /var/www. Maybe a question for the PHP group. > > > On 2/14/2012 4:29 PM, Tom Penney wrote: >> >> it could also be that the php can not find the command "cvlc". ?when >> you are on a command line there are environmental variables that >> define where to look for commands >> >> from the command line type "which cvlc" this should return a full path >> to the command. something like >> "/user/bin/something/cvlc" >> >> then in your script replace the command with the full path. >> >> exec("/user/bin/something/cvlc dvb:// :dvb-adapter=1 :no-video --sout >> '#standard{access=http,mux=asf,dst=10.10.1.53:8181}'"); >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney 612.208.2568 From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 11:35:37 2012 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:35:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow Message-ID: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> This is off topic, but looking for some advice. We hired a photographer for our companies Christmas party. They guy gave us a .mp4 slideshow of all the photos he took. I have been tasked with retrieving the photos from the slide show. Does anyone know of a way to remove photo's from a .mp4 slideshow. I did a quick Google search & found many ways to do the opposite. any thoughts? Thanks! Mr. B-o-b From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Feb 15 11:41:36 2012 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:41:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow In-Reply-To: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> References: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1329327696.16145.1.camel@sysadmin3a> Take screenshots as the pictures slide by? On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 11:35 -0600, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > This is off topic, but looking for some advice. We hired a photographer > for our companies Christmas party. They guy gave us a .mp4 slideshow of > all the photos he took. I have been tasked with retrieving the photos > from the slide show. > > Does anyone know of a way to remove photo's from a .mp4 slideshow. I > did a quick Google search & found many ways to do the opposite. > > any thoughts? > > Thanks! > > Mr. B-o-b > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjh at flyballdogs.com Wed Feb 15 11:46:17 2012 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:46:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow In-Reply-To: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> References: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <338f4b6576f731788fa0424133171351@flyballdogs.com> On 2012-02-15 11:35, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > This is off topic, but looking for some advice. We hired a > photographer for our companies Christmas party. They guy gave us a > .mp4 slideshow of all the photos he took. I have been tasked with > retrieving the photos from the slide show. I'm pretty sure openshot allows you to extract a video as a sequence of images. Of course these pictures are going to the same resolution as the video so perhaps you can go back to the photographer for the source images? -- Kathryn Hogg http://womensfooty.com From jmore at starmind.org Wed Feb 15 11:44:49 2012 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:44:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow In-Reply-To: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> References: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you hired a photographer, you should just ask for the photos. Much easier. Unless there's a wacky contract stating otherwise, you got a work for hire, so you should get access to the "source", in this case, the photos themselves. -Josh On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > This is off topic, but looking for some advice. We hired a photographer > for our companies Christmas party. They guy gave us a .mp4 slideshow of > all the photos he took. I have been tasked with retrieving the photos from > the slide show. > > Does anyone know of a way to remove photo's from a .mp4 slideshow. I did > a quick Google search & found many ways to do the opposite. > > any thoughts? > > Thanks! > > Mr. B-o-b > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Feb 15 11:54:45 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:54:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow In-Reply-To: References: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5C096F0C-1A97-4878-8865-652FF1AB23E4@me.com> As a professional photographer... 1) I don't do this unless I'm being extremely underpaid for my time 2) If I do there's a reason (see #1) 3) If #1 and #2 are the case you're violating copyright and are subject to, up to, $250,000 fine per image for copyright infringement in a court of law. I'd ask the photog for the images and if he says you need to pay, then you should pay for them. If you'd like you can email me (OFFLIST) the name of the photographer and if I know who it is I might be able to help you out if you cannot get anywhere with them first. -- Ryan Coleman Publisher, d3photography.com On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Josh More wrote: > If you hired a photographer, you should just ask for the photos. Much easier. > > Unless there's a wacky contract stating otherwise, you got a work for hire, so you should get access to the "source", in this case, the photos themselves. > > -Josh > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > This is off topic, but looking for some advice. We hired a photographer for our companies Christmas party. They guy gave us a .mp4 slideshow of all the photos he took. I have been tasked with retrieving the photos from the slide show. > > Does anyone know of a way to remove photo's from a .mp4 slideshow. I did a quick Google search & found many ways to do the opposite. > > any thoughts? > > Thanks! > > Mr. B-o-b > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Wed Feb 15 11:56:41 2012 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:56:41 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow In-Reply-To: <338f4b6576f731788fa0424133171351@flyballdogs.com> References: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> <338f4b6576f731788fa0424133171351@flyballdogs.com> Message-ID: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBB37B3@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> > I have been tasked with retrieving the photos from the [mp4] slide show. Turn a video to X images http://www.catswhocode.com/blog/19-ffmpeg-commands-for-all-needs ffmpeg -i video.mpg image%d.jpg If this doesn't work for an mp4 input file, then you may have to convert from mp4 -> mpg first. From john.meier at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 12:06:11 2012 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:06:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] free servers Message-ID: to a good home: dell poweredge 6300 dell poweredge 2450 generic server same height as the 2450 (2U I think) dell power edge 4200 location - near 494 and 169 - bloomington -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From max at bernsteinforpresident.com Wed Feb 15 11:47:00 2012 From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:47:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow In-Reply-To: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> References: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120215114700.487d384c@Newton> FFMPEG can do this. You just need to convert it to an image sequence. More details are here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/FFMPEG_An_Intermediate_Guide/image_sequence -Max On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:35:37 -0600 "Mr. B-o-B" wrote: > This is off topic, but looking for some advice. We hired a > photographer for our companies Christmas party. They guy gave us > a .mp4 slideshow of all the photos he took. I have been tasked with > retrieving the photos from the slide show. > > Does anyone know of a way to remove photo's from a .mp4 slideshow. I > did a quick Google search & found many ways to do the opposite. > > any thoughts? > > Thanks! > > Mr. B-o-b > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From djsteinhafel at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 13:16:57 2012 From: djsteinhafel at gmail.com (David Steinhafel) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:16:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow In-Reply-To: <20120215114700.487d384c@Newton> References: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> <20120215114700.487d384c@Newton> Message-ID: <1329333417.2789.34.camel@ti> I agree with a few of the other comments that you should contact the photographer for the photos. As mentioned previously, screencaps of the .MP4 video will be lower resolution. More importantly, in my opinion, somebody who hires a photographer shouldn't be required to extract frames from a video slideshow to get the pictures, especially if the photographer is being paid. An earlier reply mentioned that depending on the contract entered into with the photographer, the photographer may actually retain ownership of the photographs of you and your colleagues. You could capture each image manually, using a screen capture feature like VLC offers, but the method in the link posted by Max for automatically generating an image sequence of a video using FFMPEG looks pretty useful and straightforward. I'd personally attempt using FFMPEG before resorting to manual screen capturing. fnord, djs On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 11:47 -0600, Max Shinn wrote: > FFMPEG can do this. You just need to convert it to an image sequence. More details are here: > > http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/FFMPEG_An_Intermediate_Guide/image_sequence > > > -Max > > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:35:37 -0600 > "Mr. B-o-B" wrote: > > > This is off topic, but looking for some advice. We hired a > > photographer for our companies Christmas party. They guy gave us > > a .mp4 slideshow of all the photos he took. I have been tasked with > > retrieving the photos from the slide show. > > > > Does anyone know of a way to remove photo's from a .mp4 slideshow. I > > did a quick Google search & found many ways to do the opposite. > > > > any thoughts? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mr. B-o-b > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 13:20:05 2012 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:20:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] free servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i will take them. chris 763-355-0919 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM, John Meier wrote: > to a good home: > > dell poweredge 6300 > dell poweredge 2450 > generic server same height as the 2450 (2U I think) > dell power edge 4200 > > location - near 494 and 169 - bloomington > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Wed Feb 15 13:52:15 2012 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:52:15 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow In-Reply-To: <1329333417.2789.34.camel@ti> References: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> <20120215114700.487d384c@Newton> <1329333417.2789.34.camel@ti> Message-ID: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBB39DE@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> > attempt using FFMPEG before resorting to manual screen capturing. Maybe. If each "slide" was displayed for several seconds, ffmpeg would capture hundreds of essentially identical frames before the video moved onto the next "slide." The OP would have to wade thru thousands of files to find a few unique images. Is there something like the "diff" command for image files? > the photographer may actually retain ownership While that may be true (and I'm all for supporting creative artists), it would not trump fair use. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use Fair use is a limitation and exception to the exclusive right granted by copyright law to the author of a creative work. In United States copyright law, fair use is a doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders. Examples of fair use include commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. It provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test. From ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 14:27:32 2012 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com (Ryan Dunlop) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:27:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow In-Reply-To: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBB39DE@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> <20120215114700.487d384c@Newton> <1329333417.2789.34.camel@ti> <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBB39DE@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: Sure it would trump fair use. What part of ripping an image out of a slideshow they present to you as your (possible) final product purchased has anything to do with commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship? I say possible because I don't know the specs of the contract. If the contract stated we will take pictures for 4 hours and produce a slide show for your use, you are paying for the slideshow and hourly wage of the photographer. Your final product you have rights to is the slideshow as is. Just like when researching for wedding photographers, finding one where we retained full rights to the images was goal #1. Most of the time this is not the case and it is their property to use and distribute as they see fit. You purchase a package (time, # of photos to edit/print) and the rest you buy photo by photo for reproduction. Just talk to the photographer and be done with it. If they're cool with it you'll either get downloads or a cd/dvd of the images and you're set. Ryan On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: > > attempt using FFMPEG before resorting to manual screen capturing. > > Maybe. If each "slide" was displayed for several seconds, ffmpeg would > capture hundreds of essentially identical frames before the video moved > onto the next "slide." The OP would have to wade thru thousands of files > to find a few unique images. > > Is there something like the "diff" command for image files? > > > > > the photographer may actually retain ownership > > While that may be true (and I'm all for supporting creative artists), it > would not trump fair use. > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use > Fair use is a limitation and exception to the exclusive right granted by > copyright law to the author of a creative work. In United States copyright > law, fair use is a doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted > material without acquiring permission from the rights holders. Examples of > fair use include commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, > library archiving and scholarship. It provides for the legal, unlicensed > citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work > under a four-factor balancing test. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 17:39:54 2012 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:39:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] R. Scott Studham, new CIO for University of Minnesota Message-ID: See the two messages below. They are about the U's new Chief Information Officer (CIO). Even if you have nothing to do with the U at this time, you should consider that it is the major place around here where people learn about computing -- people you might hire, who might work with you, or who might end up hiring you someday. The importance of universities as training grounds that have a life-long influence on computing choices is not lost on the corporate software industry, and they have the money and interest to take advantage of the situation. I am very impressed with the new CIO's qualifications. What do you think? It seems to me that this is a good opportunity to try to persuade him to think more in terms of promoting Linux systems and free software on campus than have our previous CIOs. Another really important goal (related to Linux/FOSS) should be to promote computing systems that rely more on local staff and less on global corporations. Enhancement of computing freedom for our faculty, staff and students should be a priority. What happened to our shell accounts and web servers and so on? Were they really a huge security risk that our IT staff couldnt' handle, or was that just the excuse corporate lobbyists used to persuade university IT administrators to dump Linux/Apache in favor of corporate solutions? Can IT staff be persuaded to accept their new corporate overlords because of the promise of a reduced work load? And then can those same IT staff be layed off as a cost-saving measure now that their labor is not as badly needed and some guy in India can answer our phone calls on the cheap? Where will all of this be going? In my view, *now* would be a good time to do something. I am interested in hearing your views. I plan to write to the new CIO about my concerns and I hope some of you will do the same. Thanks. Best, Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:00:00 From: President Kaler & Senior Vice President Jones To: Michael B Miller Subject: Vice President and Chief Information Officer Appointment Dear Members of the University Community: We are pleased to announce R. Scott Studham as the University of Minnesota's new vice president and chief information officer, pending approval by the Board of Regents in February. Scott has served as the chief information officer at the University of Tennessee since 2009, where he was responsible for the strategic direction and management of the university's information resources. View his vitae online (PDF): http://ecommunication.umn.edu/t/278784/28503712/94587/0/ As the new vice president and chief information officer, Scott brings his experience with enterprise application integration and enterprise resource planning implementations in complex, distributed organizations, and with implementation of technology services for multi-campus environments. He has been the project manager or chief architect for a top 10 supercomputer six times during the course of his career, and is an internationally recognized researcher in the area of high performance computing. Scott has published in CIO Magazine, Scientific Computing, and multiple IEEE peer reviewed journals, and has been called upon by the U.S. Congress to provide testimony on information security on multiple occasions. We believe Scott has an extraordinary vision for building on the existing strengths of the Office of Information Technology (OIT) to ensure the strategic and operational excellence of both academic and administrative information technology to support and advance all aspects of the University's mission. Scott will begin in his new position on February 13, 2012. We want to thank the vice president and chief information officer search committee, and especially co-chairs UM-Rochester Chancellor Stephen Lehmkuhle and Vice President for Human Resources Kathy Brown. We also want to thank Ann Hill Duin, associate vice president and associate chief information officer, for taking on this interim leadership role for the past six months and for continuing to serve until Scott arrives. Ann will return to her position as associate vice president and associate chief information officer at that time. Finally, we express our appreciation to everyone who took the time to participate in the interviews or on-campus forums, who watched them online, or who filled out the online evaluations of the finalists. Your input was invaluable. We look forward to working with Scott, OIT, and all of you to continue to position the University of Minnesota for excellence. Sincerely, Eric W. Kaler President Robert J. 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From mattwj2002 at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 18:32:48 2012 From: mattwj2002 at gmail.com (Matthew Junk) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:32:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow In-Reply-To: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> References: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mr. Bob, Have you looked into ffmpeg? You could literally dump ever frame that way and delete the ones you don't want. I am sure there is a way to skips seconds too. (For example thumbnails) I found this link: http://pr0gr4mm3r.com/linux/convert-video-to-images-and-back-using-ffmpeg/ Just an idea. Matt On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > This is off topic, but looking for some advice. We hired a photographer > for our companies Christmas party. They guy gave us a .mp4 slideshow of > all the photos he took. I have been tasked with retrieving the photos from > the slide show. > > Does anyone know of a way to remove photo's from a .mp4 slideshow. I did > a quick Google search & found many ways to do the opposite. > > any thoughts? > > Thanks! > > Mr. B-o-b > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tompoe at meltel.net Wed Feb 15 19:42:09 2012 From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom Poe) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:42:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Remove Photos from a MP4 slideshow In-Reply-To: References: <4F3BECE9.9000400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F3C5EF1.9030209@meltel.net> On 02/15/2012 06:32 PM, Matthew Junk wrote: > Mr. Bob, > > Have you looked into ffmpeg? > > You could literally dump ever frame that way and delete the ones you > don't want. I am sure there is a way to skips seconds too. (For > example thumbnails) > > I found this link: > > http://pr0gr4mm3r.com/linux/convert-video-to-images-and-back-using-ffmpeg/ > > Just an idea. > > Matt > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Mr. B-o-B > wrote: > > This is off topic, but looking for some advice. We hired a > photographer for our companies Christmas party. They guy gave us > a .mp4 slideshow of all the photos he took. I have been tasked > with retrieving the photos from the slide show. > > Does anyone know of a way to remove photo's from a .mp4 slideshow. > I did a quick Google search & found many ways to do the opposite. > > any thoughts? > > Thanks! > > Mr. B-o-b > ______________________________ _________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/ mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Open Shot video editor will allow you to import slideshow, then move it to video track, move to frame you want to save, clip it, and move to next photo. Seems there might be several clicks for each photo image involved. http://www.openshotusers.com/help/1.3/en/ Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 09:06:23 2012 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:06:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Windows CE / Palm Pilot replacement; namely digital organizer Message-ID: I started out with Windows hand-held several years ago and then migrated to Palm (Zire, Tungsten) for primarily digital organizing. My Palm Tungsten E2 has been dead for awhile now, and I don't think I should replace it (syncing in Linux still worked a couple of years ago with my old one, Windows 7 64bit not so much from what I see online). I'm finding the plethora of Post-It notes combined with the artistic nature of my hand writing to be a bit nauseating and cumbersome. Most people say I should get an iPhone or an Android phone; unfortunately I don't want one. I tried a similar smart phone a couple years back, the Linux based Palm Pre, and found it to be over kill, a big distraction, and a waste of money (factoring in the device and monthly plan). Based on what LUGers use out there, what would you recommend for mostly a good digital organizer? I'm thinking smaller, probably a small tablet would be the biggest I'd be willing to go. I'm not opposed to Android based and having it sync occasionally with Google Calendar (over wifi but does not need 3G or 4G). Coby makes some Internet devices and tablets that look affordable, but I don't know anyone who has used one before (online reviews have been a little helpful). I don't need NetFlix, however an eReader, Skype or Google Voice, memo / notes would be useful. The HP Touchpad looks interesting, but might be a little too big, and webOS is likely on it's way out. Any thoughts or suggestions? -- Jeremy MountainJohnson jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com From xcorvis at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 09:16:49 2012 From: xcorvis at gmail.com (Adam Nave) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:16:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Windows CE / Palm Pilot replacement; namely digital organizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You could buy a cheap used android phone and run it without a contract (wifi only). I'd flash it with a custom ROM first just to make sure there's no carrier junk left on it. You might want to look at reviews for organizer apps first. Finding the right app could be more important than finding the right device. --Adam On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson < jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote: > I started out with Windows hand-held several years ago and then > migrated to Palm (Zire, Tungsten) for primarily digital organizing. My > Palm Tungsten E2 has been dead for awhile now, and I don't think I > should replace it (syncing in Linux still worked a couple of years ago > with my old one, Windows 7 64bit not so much from what I see online). > I'm finding the plethora of Post-It notes combined with the artistic > nature of my hand writing to be a bit nauseating and cumbersome. > > Most people say I should get an iPhone or an Android phone; > unfortunately I don't want one. I tried a similar smart phone a couple > years back, the Linux based Palm Pre, and found it to be over kill, a > big distraction, and a waste of money (factoring in the device and > monthly plan). > > Based on what LUGers use out there, what would you recommend for > mostly a good digital organizer? I'm thinking smaller, probably a > small tablet would be the biggest I'd be willing to go. I'm not > opposed to Android based and having it sync occasionally with Google > Calendar (over wifi but does not need 3G or 4G). Coby makes some > Internet devices and tablets that look affordable, but I don't know > anyone who has used one before (online reviews have been a little > helpful). I don't need NetFlix, however an eReader, Skype or Google > Voice, memo / notes would be useful. The HP Touchpad looks > interesting, but might be a little too big, and webOS is likely on > it's way out. > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > > -- > Jeremy MountainJohnson > jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjensen at apache.org Thu Feb 16 09:16:09 2012 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:16:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Windows CE / Palm Pilot replacement; namely digital organizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have an Android phone, Motorola Xoom, and Kindle Fire (wife's). If the Xoom form-factor is a little large for your pref (I like it a lot), then look at the Fire; it's great. It's an Android device, so you can root it to make it a true tablet device (root it so then the Kindle app is just another app, instead of a dedicated Kindle). Both have wi-fi only versions. With either of those, all the apps you mention below are available. Plus, the Fire price point is quite good compared to other tablets. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > I started out with Windows hand-held several years ago and then > migrated to Palm (Zire, Tungsten) for primarily digital organizing. My > Palm Tungsten E2 has been dead for awhile now, and I don't think I > should replace it (syncing in Linux still worked a couple of years ago > with my old one, Windows ?7 64bit not so much from what I see online). > I'm finding the plethora of Post-It notes combined with the artistic > nature of my hand writing to be a bit nauseating and cumbersome. > > Most people say I should get an iPhone or an Android phone; > unfortunately I don't want one. I tried a similar smart phone a couple > years back, the Linux based ?Palm Pre, and found it to be over kill, a > big distraction, and a waste of money (factoring in the device and > monthly plan). > > Based on what LUGers use out there, what would you recommend for > mostly a good digital organizer? I'm thinking smaller, probably a > small tablet would be the biggest I'd be willing to go. I'm not > opposed to Android based and having it sync occasionally with Google > Calendar (over wifi but does not need 3G or 4G). Coby makes some > Internet devices and tablets that look affordable, but I don't know > anyone who has used one before (online reviews have been a little > helpful). I don't need NetFlix, however an eReader, Skype or Google > Voice, memo / notes would be useful. The HP Touchpad looks > interesting, but might be a little too big, and webOS is likely on > it's way out. > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > > -- > Jeremy MountainJohnson > jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From justin.kremer at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 09:36:24 2012 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:36:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Windows CE / Palm Pilot replacement; namely digital organizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you're thinking the tablet size might be too big, I would second the used Android phone idea. I have had an iPad, and I have an iPhone, and they've got the polished interface and pretty styling down perfectly, but I also have a Nook Color running Cyanogenmod 7, and a second-hand HTC Inspire 4G running an Alpha build of CM9 that I just use with Wifi and that is pretty much my favorite device, despite being kind of old. I think I paid about $100 for it, and didn't have to sign a contract, since it was second-hand. If you use Google services, Android is the best mobile OS at syncing your stuff over wireless (wifi/3g/4g as the case may be) and working nice. You just log in once on the device, and select which services you want to sync to your phone. I also highly recommend using a ROM rather than the manufacturer's and original carrier's junk. If you'd like to try before you buy, you are welcome to poke at one of my devices for a while to see how you think it works for you. The other nice thing about using an Android phone but running Wifi only is they get excellent battery life. They're designed to be able to be using cellular signal all the time, and that uses a lot of battery, so I can go 3-6 days between charges on a phone that would barely make it through the day when using cell signal. That still depends upon how much you use it, though. The screen actually uses much more battery than the cell radio, but it only does so when you are actively using it. Also, they've been hard at work on Cyanogenmod for the TouchPad, but as I recall it ends up being about as big as an iPad. - Justin On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Adam Nave wrote: > You could buy a cheap used android phone and run it without a contract (wifi > only). I'd flash it with a custom ROM first just to make sure there's no > carrier junk left on it. > > You might want to look at reviews for organizer apps first. Finding the > right app could be more important than finding the right device. > > --Adam > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson > wrote: >> >> I started out with Windows hand-held several years ago and then >> migrated to Palm (Zire, Tungsten) for primarily digital organizing. My >> Palm Tungsten E2 has been dead for awhile now, and I don't think I >> should replace it (syncing in Linux still worked a couple of years ago >> with my old one, Windows ?7 64bit not so much from what I see online). >> I'm finding the plethora of Post-It notes combined with the artistic >> nature of my hand writing to be a bit nauseating and cumbersome. >> >> Most people say I should get an iPhone or an Android phone; >> unfortunately I don't want one. I tried a similar smart phone a couple >> years back, the Linux based ?Palm Pre, and found it to be over kill, a >> big distraction, and a waste of money (factoring in the device and >> monthly plan). >> >> Based on what LUGers use out there, what would you recommend for >> mostly a good digital organizer? I'm thinking smaller, probably a >> small tablet would be the biggest I'd be willing to go. I'm not >> opposed to Android based and having it sync occasionally with Google >> Calendar (over wifi but does not need 3G or 4G). Coby makes some >> Internet devices and tablets that look affordable, but I don't know >> anyone who has used one before (online reviews have been a little >> helpful). I don't need NetFlix, however an eReader, Skype or Google >> Voice, memo / notes would be useful. The HP Touchpad looks >> interesting, but might be a little too big, and webOS is likely on >> it's way out. >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions? >> >> -- >> Jeremy MountainJohnson >> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From justin.kremer at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 10:22:30 2012 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:22:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] FS: Compaq Presario V6000 laptop Message-ID: I figured I'd post this here before throwing it up on Craigslist and see if any other geeks are interested. I've had this laptop for a few years, and it still works great for everyday use. It's a 15" laptop with a CoreDuo CPU. (not Core2Duo, meaning 32-bit only) It has 2GB of RAM, 120GB hard drive, DVD+/-RW, and otherwise is pretty standard for a laptop of that generation. Wireless is b/g(no n) and the Ethernet is 10/100. (no gigabit) Build-in stereo mic, but no webcam. The battery is in good condition, which can be verified before purchase. I currently have it set up to dual-boot Windows XP Pro, which is what it came with, and Linux Mint. I have installed Linux Mint and previously several versions of Ubuntu with no issues. XP, on the other hand, complains that some system devices have no drivers. I'm not sure what they are, since all the hardware is accounted for and working. I think it's a better option than the bloatware and confirmed spyware that it came with, though if you really want that stuff back, I think you can still buy a recovery CD from HP. They provided no such thing, as is typical these days. The make-your-own-recovery-media program was a fail. I'll leave the system dual-booting for the buyer to verify both Windows and Linux working well, unless you prefer otherwise. If you want, I can provide a CD with the Windows drivers, or an nLite CD to reinstall from with the appropriate drivers. Any recent Linux distro should require no such worrying. I'm thinking $150 is a reasonable price. Contact me off-list if you're interested. Thanks, - Justin From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 10:37:06 2012 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:37:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] what to do with a Palm Pre? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > Most people say I should get an iPhone or an Android phone; > unfortunately I don't want one. I tried a similar smart phone a couple > years back, the Linux based Palm Pre, and found it to be over kill, a > big distraction, and a waste of money (factoring in the device and > monthly plan). I bought a Palm Pre when it came out in June 2009. It's a pretty good device, but I wasn't blown away. I still have it. My carrier is Sprint. I'm paying something like $75/month, including taxes, etc. That's $900 per year and quite excessive, I think. I also think the Sprint people have done a lousy job with some aspects -- previous Palm phones (e.g., Treo 600) could do a lot of things that were lost with Palm Pre, such as syncing *everything* with a computer, and I think Sprint is to blame for the undesirable changes (I have to back up to their "cloud," but not everything is backed up). I do have a question: Suppose I drop my plan. What can I then do with this Palm Pre? It does have Linux inside and I've been able to use that to copy files out of the device. It has WiFi. But what exactly stops working if I drop my plan? Do apps fail even if I'm using WiFi instead of Sprint networking? Do any of you have any experience with this? Mike From andy at zibnet.us Thu Feb 16 12:33:48 2012 From: andy at zibnet.us (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:33:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Windows CE / Palm Pilot replacement; namely digital organizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is also the iPod Touch that has almost everything an iPhone does, but is Wi-Fi only and lacks GPS, and the camera isn't as good as the iPhones. Having a camera on your PDA device is very useful. Apps such as Evernote let you add images to notes. Don't want to lose that scrap of paper with handwritten note? Snap a picture and save into Evernote. Need to keep a copy of a recipe? Same deal, though I use GeniusScan for this. Need to remember which wire goes where so you can reassemble your thermostat/laptop/electronics correctly? Really darn handy to have a camera in your pocket. I use my phones camera as a scanner almost as often as I do for taking pictures. If you're going to go away from the well known manufactures/brands such as Apple, Samsung, Motorola, Asus, Amazon, Barns and Noble, I would do a good amount of research. Can you root the device and install the stock Android OS from Google, are app developers embracing the device or is it a victim of the fractured Android ecosystem? Is there an active community of users around the device? Sry bout d spln, snt frm my mobl fone. From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Feb 16 12:50:36 2012 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:50:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Windows CE / Palm Pilot replacement; namely digital organizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > I tried a similar smart phone a couple years back [...] and found it to > be [...] a big distraction Can you explain what you mean by "a big distraction"? I understand all the other concerns and can think of ways to work around them. For price you can get an older, used device, and for monthly bills, well, you get a non-phone or just don't sign up with a carrier. But distraction is a lot broader and might be harder to solve. Is it the fact that current devices have a ton of apps? Because you're not required to install any of them. -Yaron -- From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 13:49:38 2012 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:49:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Windows CE / Palm Pilot replacement; namely digital organizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the response! Perhaps an Andriod rooted device is the way to go. I had looked at the Kindle Fire, but didn't see much of a calendar option- do these root well into an Android OS (reliable after rooting)? iDevices have some neat features (iTouch, iPad), but the cost is a bit much. I noticed some of the old Palm's dropped in price recently, but for the same price there is much better technology. Regarding the distraction I speak of- I get annoyed with people who are glued to their phones in and out of social situations, and that is what I was becoming with the Pre. It also had this side effect of making my wife nag more. Constantly checking and getting e-mail, status updates, directions and maps, etc. I know these can be turned off, but having your phone bundled with all that technology in one unit was too much for me :) Just a personal preference, call me old fashioned, but I want the phone to be just the phone, and my organizer to be mostly an organizer. Hopefully that makes sense. -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Yaron wrote: > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > >> I tried a similar smart phone a couple years back [...] and found it to be >> [...] a big distraction > > > Can you explain what you mean by "a big distraction"? I understand all the > other concerns and can think of ways to work around them. For price you can > get an older, used device, and for monthly bills, well, you get a non-phone > or just don't sign up with a carrier. But distraction is a lot broader and > might be harder to solve. > > Is it the fact that current devices have a ton of apps? Because you're not > required to install any of them. > > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j at packetgod.com Thu Feb 16 13:57:31 2012 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:57:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Windows CE / Palm Pilot replacement; namely digital organizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I love my cm9 rooted kindle fire and it has apps for everything you need but I hate on screen keyboards. You may want to find one with a real keyboard. --j Senjf for,m my kindle fire cm9 On Feb 16, 2012 1:50 PM, "Jeremy MountainJohnson" < jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the response! Perhaps an Andriod rooted device is the > way to go. I had looked at the Kindle Fire, but didn't see much of a > calendar option- do these root well into an Android OS (reliable after > rooting)? > > iDevices have some neat features (iTouch, iPad), but the cost is a bit > much. I noticed some of the old Palm's dropped in price recently, but > for the same price there is much better technology. > > Regarding the distraction I speak of- I get annoyed with people who > are glued to their phones in and out of social situations, and that is > what I was becoming with the Pre. It also had this side effect of > making my wife nag more. Constantly checking and getting e-mail, > status updates, directions and maps, etc. I know these can be turned > off, but having your phone bundled with all that technology in one > unit was too much for me :) Just a personal preference, call me old > fashioned, but I want the phone to be just the phone, and my organizer > to be mostly an organizer. Hopefully that makes sense. > > -- > Jeremy MountainJohnson > Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com > > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Yaron wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > > > >> I tried a similar smart phone a couple years back [...] and found it to > be > >> [...] a big distraction > > > > > > Can you explain what you mean by "a big distraction"? I understand all > the > > other concerns and can think of ways to work around them. For price you > can > > get an older, used device, and for monthly bills, well, you get a > non-phone > > or just don't sign up with a carrier. But distraction is a lot broader > and > > might be harder to solve. > > > > Is it the fact that current devices have a ton of apps? 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URL: From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 14:29:05 2012 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:29:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Windows CE / Palm Pilot replacement; namely digital organizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I see a lot of issues referenced on the Net regarding sound and general stability, what has you're experience been with this? Does it seem reliable? -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 1:57 PM, J Cruit wrote: > I love my cm9 rooted kindle fire and it has apps for everything you need but > I hate on screen keyboards.? You may want to find one with a real keyboard. > > --j > > Senjf for,m my kindle fire cm9 > > On Feb 16, 2012 1:50 PM, "Jeremy MountainJohnson" > wrote: >> >> Thanks for all the response! Perhaps an Andriod rooted device is the >> way to go. I had looked at the Kindle Fire, but didn't see much of a >> calendar option- do these root well into an Android OS (reliable after >> rooting)? >> >> iDevices have some neat features (iTouch, iPad), but the cost is a bit >> much. I noticed some of the old Palm's dropped in price recently, but >> for the same price there is much better technology. >> >> Regarding the distraction I speak of- I get annoyed with people who >> are glued to their phones in and out of social situations, and that is >> what I was becoming with the Pre. It also had this side effect of >> making my wife nag more. Constantly checking and getting e-mail, >> status updates, directions and maps, etc. I know these can be turned >> off, but having your phone bundled with all that technology in one >> unit was too much for me :) Just a personal preference, call me old >> fashioned, but I want the phone to be just the phone, and my organizer >> to be mostly an organizer. Hopefully that makes sense. >> >> -- >> Jeremy MountainJohnson >> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Yaron wrote: >> > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: >> > >> >> I tried a similar smart phone a couple years back [...] and found it to >> >> be >> >> [...] a big distraction >> > >> > >> > Can you explain what you mean by "a big distraction"? I understand all >> > the >> > other concerns and can think of ways to work around them. For price you >> > can >> > get an older, used device, and for monthly bills, well, you get a >> > non-phone >> > or just don't sign up with a carrier. But distraction is a lot broader >> > and >> > might be harder to solve. >> > >> > Is it the fact that current devices have a ton of apps? Because you're >> > not >> > required to install any of them. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -Yaron >> > >> > -- >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 14:32:17 2012 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:32:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] what to do with a Palm Pre? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sprint made sure they tethered it with a wireless data plan- I'm going back a number of years though to the first generation one. Before I dumped the phone I tried using it with just a voice plan and it was worthless. No 3G data network = no use. I'm not aware of any custom firmware out there, maybe someone else is? -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > >> Most people say I should get an iPhone or an Android phone; unfortunately >> I don't want one. I tried a similar smart phone a couple years back, the >> Linux based Palm Pre, and found it to be over kill, a big distraction, and a >> waste of money (factoring in the device and monthly plan). > > > I bought a Palm Pre when it came out in June 2009. ?It's a pretty good > device, but I wasn't blown away. ?I still have it. ?My carrier is Sprint. > I'm paying something like $75/month, including taxes, etc. ?That's $900 per > year and quite excessive, I think. ?I also think the Sprint people have done > a lousy job with some aspects -- previous Palm phones (e.g., Treo 600) could > do a lot of things that were lost with Palm Pre, such as syncing > *everything* with a computer, and I think Sprint is to blame for the > undesirable changes (I have to back up to their "cloud," but not everything > is backed up). > > I do have a question: ?Suppose I drop my plan. ?What can I then do with this > Palm Pre? ?It does have Linux inside and I've been able to use that to copy > files out of the device. ?It has WiFi. ?But what exactly stops working if I > drop my plan? ?Do apps fail even if I'm using WiFi instead of Sprint > networking? ?Do any of you have any experience with this? > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Feb 16 16:58:18 2012 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:58:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] what to do with a Palm Pre? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23B237BDAAFD43799E8751EDA31D6663@D810B> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mike Miller > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:37 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [tclug-list] what to do with a Palm Pre? > > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > > > I do have a question: Suppose I drop my plan. What can I > then do with this Palm Pre? It does have Linux inside and > I've been able to use that to copy files out of the device. > It has WiFi. Sell the Pre. Don't hang onto technology that is obsolete for you. Should be a way to "politely" shut it down so another Sprint subscriber could easily activate it without getting your data. I bought several early 3G smartphones off ebay that way. Had no trouble at all getting Sprint to enter the changed hardware code for my account to activate one. Did that when I'd break one. > But what exactly stops working if I drop my > plan? Do apps fail even if I'm using WiFi instead of Sprint > networking? Do any of you have any experience with this? Dunno. My old Samsung I330 wasn't that smart or that well-connected. It just goes to a stand-alone Palm mode. Chuck From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Feb 16 18:45:52 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:45:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] what to do with a Palm Pre? In-Reply-To: <23B237BDAAFD43799E8751EDA31D6663@D810B> References: <23B237BDAAFD43799E8751EDA31D6663@D810B> Message-ID: <4EAE7586-A602-4EC9-B305-FFE007E68D56@me.com> I cannot imagine the Pre is any more special than my iPhone 3G is/was. I can use it off network with wifi only all the time. I have TMO on it and no data plan on the SIM without issue. It's just another wifi device when you take out the 3G radio. On Feb 16, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mike Miller >> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:37 AM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: [tclug-list] what to do with a Palm Pre? >> >> On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: >> >> >> I do have a question: Suppose I drop my plan. What can I >> then do with this Palm Pre? It does have Linux inside and >> I've been able to use that to copy files out of the device. >> It has WiFi. > > Sell the Pre. Don't hang onto technology that is obsolete for you. Should > be a way to "politely" shut it down so another Sprint subscriber could > easily activate it without getting your data. I bought several early 3G > smartphones off ebay that way. Had no trouble at all getting Sprint to > enter the changed hardware code for my account to activate one. Did that > when I'd break one. > > >> But what exactly stops working if I drop my >> plan? Do apps fail even if I'm using WiFi instead of Sprint >> networking? Do any of you have any experience with this? > > Dunno. My old Samsung I330 wasn't that smart or that well-connected. It > just goes to a stand-alone Palm mode. > > Chuck > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j at packetgod.com Thu Feb 16 22:05:36 2012 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:05:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Windows CE / Palm Pilot replacement; namely digital organizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So after writing that I went looking for a replacement for the keyboard and I found SlideIT which isn't incredibly fast but is fun and kind of impressive how it figures out what you are trying to type. I also looked at thumb keyboard which does have a better layout for typing with your thumbs but I didn't like it as much. At this point I'll try SlideIT until the free trial runs out and sees if I still like it add much. either way to typing is much better than it was with the default keyboard. --j This entire email was written with SlideIT, splendidly prestigious digit manipulation (long words are even more fun) o_O On Feb 16, 2012 1:57 PM, "J Cruit" wrote: > I love my cm9 rooted kindle fire and it has apps for everything you need > but I hate on screen keyboards. You may want to find one with a real > keyboard. > > --j > > Senjf for,m my kindle fire cm9 > On Feb 16, 2012 1:50 PM, "Jeremy MountainJohnson" < > jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for all the response! Perhaps an Andriod rooted device is the >> way to go. I had looked at the Kindle Fire, but didn't see much of a >> calendar option- do these root well into an Android OS (reliable after >> rooting)? >> >> iDevices have some neat features (iTouch, iPad), but the cost is a bit >> much. I noticed some of the old Palm's dropped in price recently, but >> for the same price there is much better technology. >> >> Regarding the distraction I speak of- I get annoyed with people who >> are glued to their phones in and out of social situations, and that is >> what I was becoming with the Pre. It also had this side effect of >> making my wife nag more. Constantly checking and getting e-mail, >> status updates, directions and maps, etc. I know these can be turned >> off, but having your phone bundled with all that technology in one >> unit was too much for me :) Just a personal preference, call me old >> fashioned, but I want the phone to be just the phone, and my organizer >> to be mostly an organizer. Hopefully that makes sense. >> >> -- >> Jeremy MountainJohnson >> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Yaron wrote: >> > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: >> > >> >> I tried a similar smart phone a couple years back [...] and found it >> to be >> >> [...] a big distraction >> > >> > >> > Can you explain what you mean by "a big distraction"? I understand all >> the >> > other concerns and can think of ways to work around them. For price you >> can >> > get an older, used device, and for monthly bills, well, you get a >> non-phone >> > or just don't sign up with a carrier. But distraction is a lot broader >> and >> > might be harder to solve. >> > >> > Is it the fact that current devices have a ton of apps? Because you're >> not >> > required to install any of them. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -Yaron >> > >> > -- >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kc0iog at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 07:52:17 2012 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:52:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] For sale: Laptops in need of parts/repair Message-ID: I have the following laptops: Dell Latitude D600 IBM Thinkpad T40 Sony Vaio PCG-974L All in a state of needing some TLC. All laptops do power on, and include AC adapter. $30/BO takes all three. Brian From sloncho at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 08:51:11 2012 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:51:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] For sale: Laptops in need of parts/repair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, what's wrong with the T40? Thanks On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Brian Wall wrote: > I have the following laptops: > > Dell Latitude D600 > IBM Thinkpad T40 > Sony Vaio PCG-974L > > All in a state of needing some TLC. All laptops do power on, and > include AC adapter. $30/BO takes all three. > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. From kc0iog at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 09:10:06 2012 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:10:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] For sale: Laptops in need of parts/repair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It seems to have issues reading/writing to the hard disk. I have swapped/tested hard drives, I have swapped/tested RAM, it appears to be an issue with the controller (baked on to the motherboard). This laptop currently does not have a hard drive, requires a standard 40 pin IDE. Brian On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Sunny wrote: > Hi, > what's wrong with the T40? > > Thanks > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Brian Wall wrote: >> I have the following laptops: >> >> Dell Latitude D600 >> IBM Thinkpad T40 >> Sony Vaio PCG-974L >> >> All in a state of needing some TLC. All laptops do power on, and >> include AC adapter. $30/BO takes all three. >> >> Brian >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) > > Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Tue Feb 21 01:38:36 2012 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:38:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Server KVM at Penguins Unbound Meeting February 25th Message-ID: <4F4349FC.9010800@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday February 25th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) Server KVM At this months Penguins Unbound Meeting Gerry Skerbitz will talk about running KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine) for server virtualization in a production environment. Gerry has been running his work production servers virtualized on Linux using KVM for over a year and a half. Come see how he is using KVM to virtualize is production environment. Hope to see you there! ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From galanolwe at yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 09:42:25 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:42:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] tablet linux for everyday use? Message-ID: <1329838945.51839.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've been on a laptop for years now once I heard how much less energy a laptop consumes compared to a regular desktop. In this same spirit I'd like to downgrade again -- to a tablet. I've looked at the android-based tablets and they all seem root-able to one degree or another with linux. Good. But I'd like to power my 1980x1050 ViewSonic LED monitor(s) too. Does anybody have any experience with "docking the linux-rooted tablet"? From what I'm seeing, those 1000x800 tablets arent' really capable of running a 1980x1050 monitor, yes, no? They can do a HDTV, but how's the resolution? Olwe GM,MN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1330031983.45538.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm suggesting to our local library that we build a Linux network for patrons to have their own accounts. Now if someone wants Internet access (browsing the Web), they can use one of our 4 MS PCs -- after signing in. Yeah. . . . Question(s): Could a server for such a beast be run on a cloud server (Amazon etc.), or should it be local? Also, is there a quick and easy way for non-site users on MS/Apple to log in? Could some sort of bootable stick drive be set up, or perhaps a cygwin install? I'm no sysadmin at all. . . . Olwe GM,CC,MN,NoShore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't need to receive updates from the AD DNS but that would be a cool option to have. I just need to have my DNS server's details be sent to the AD DNS for resolution purposes without having to manually update the DNS. Any ideas? Thoughts? Pointers? Thanks! -- Ryan From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Feb 24 10:24:36 2012 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:24:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] *TOMORROW* Server KVM at Penguins Unbound Meeting February 25th Message-ID: <4F47B9C4.30803@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday February 25th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) Server KVM At this months Penguins Unbound Meeting Gerry Skerbitz will talk about running KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine) for server virtualization in a production environment. Gerry has been running his work production servers virtualized on Linux using KVM for over a year and a half. Come see how he is using KVM to virtualize is production environment. Hope to see you there! ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From kc0iog at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 15:56:26 2012 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:56:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Tips on meshing BIND9 with corporate AD DNS In-Reply-To: <75AAF9EC-A534-4BCF-A400-5432D5BFF2FB@me.com> References: <75AAF9EC-A534-4BCF-A400-5432D5BFF2FB@me.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I want to make office.domain.local run from a DNS server at my office. We have a DHCP server and I'm not sure yet if I want to use the NETBIOS name as a hostname but I'd like to be open to both that and something like host125-host174 to cover 192.168.46.125-174 (our DHCP pool). > > I don't need to receive updates from the AD DNS but that would be a cool option to have. I just need to have my DNS server's details be sent to the AD DNS for resolution purposes without having to manually update the DNS. Set up a forward zone for office.domain.local on your AD DNS server. Then all machines then use the 2008 AD server as their DNS. Brian From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Feb 24 21:24:18 2012 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:24:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? In-Reply-To: <1330031983.45538.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330031983.45538.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi there, I didn't see any other responses to your question, which leads me to believe that perhaps nobody else really understood what exactly you're trying to do. If you want to clarify maybe we can all come up with something. On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I'm suggesting to our local library that we build a Linux network for > patrons to have their own accounts. Now if someone wants Internet access > (browsing the Web), they can use one of our 4 MS PCs -- after signing in. > Yeah. . . . Question(s): Could a server for such a beast be run on a cloud > server (Amazon etc.), or should it be local? Also, is there a quick and easy > way for non-site users on MS/Apple to log in? Could some sort of bootable > stick drive be set up, or perhaps a cygwin install? I'm no sysadmin at all. > . . . > > Olwe > GM,CC,MN,NoShore > > -Yaron -- From galanolwe at yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 21:04:48 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:04:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? In-Reply-To: References: <1330031983.45538.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1330311888.39865.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi there, I didn't see any other responses to your question which leads me to believe that perhaps nobody else really understood what exactly you're trying to do. If you want to clarify maybe we can all come up with something. I'm just wanting to create a server that can handle many linux accounts (desktop, storage, customizations, even ~/homedir software installs). As it is now, we have 4 MSWindows computers with no login, of course. I'd like to convert at least those 4 to Linux clients (thin, virtual, fat, whatever, bootable pen drive). Eventually I'd like to have this server host accounts for anyone in the community who wants one. So far nothing different than any common linux network. The interesting question I had was, Can such a server actually be hosted in a cloud service, or are speeds not adequate for that sort of thing? Olwe GM,MN PS: We're getting all our winter snow in one batch! On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I'm suggesting to our local library that we build a Linux network for > patrons to have their own accounts. Now if someone wants Internet access > (browsing the Web), they can use one of our 4 MS PCs -- after signing in. > Yeah. . . . Question(s): Could a server for such a beast be run on a cloud > server (Amazon etc.), or should it be local? Also, is there a quick and easy > way for non-site users on MS/Apple to log in? Could some sort of bootable > stick drive be set up, or perhaps a cygwin install? I'm no sysadmin at all. > . . . > > Olwe > GM,CC,MN,NoShore > > -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jolexa at jolexa.net Sun Feb 26 21:46:19 2012 From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:46:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? In-Reply-To: <1330311888.39865.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330031983.45538.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330311888.39865.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > Hi there, > > I didn't see any other responses to your question which leads me to believe > that perhaps nobody else really understood what exactly you're trying to do. > If you want to clarify maybe we can all come up with something. > > I'm just wanting to create a server that can handle many linux accounts > (desktop, storage, customizations, even ~/homedir software installs). As it > is now, we have 4 MSWindows computers with no login, of course. I'd like to > convert at least those 4 to Linux clients (thin, virtual, fat, whatever, > bootable pen drive). Eventually I'd like to have this server host accounts > for anyone in the community who wants one. So far nothing different than any > common linux network. The interesting question I had was, Can such a server > actually be hosted in a cloud service, or are speeds not adequate for that > sort of thing? Well...I doubt that anyone would suggest a networked file system over the WAN. That is asking for all sorts of issues, speed being one issue, latency and a continuous connection being another. A $200 plug computer could handle 4 clients just fine and pay for itself by avoiding "cloud costs" pretty quickly, if you don't have the space (etc) for another computer. -Jeremy > > Olwe > GM,MN > > PS: We're getting all our winter snow in one batch! > > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > >> I'm suggesting to our local library that we build a Linux network for >> patrons to have their own accounts. Now if someone wants Internet access >> (browsing the Web), they can use one of our 4 MS PCs -- after signing in. >> Yeah. . . . Question(s): Could a server for such a beast be run on a cloud >> server (Amazon etc.), or should it be local? Also, is there a quick and >> easy >> way for non-site users on MS/Apple to log in? Could some sort of bootable >> stick drive be set up, or perhaps a cygwin install? I'm no sysadmin at >> all. >> . . . >> >> Olwe >> GM,CC,MN,NoShore >> >> > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyzib at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 00:06:22 2012 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:06:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? In-Reply-To: References: <1330031983.45538.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330311888.39865.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sounds like you're looking for something along the lines of Linux Terminal Server Project: http://www.ltsp.org. These days, a good i5 or i7 based machine could easily deal with a handful of clients. You could even send all your net traffic through Squid+SquidGuard if you had to deal with requirments for filtering on the same box. A simple rsync between your primary system and standby computer for redundancy, add a heartbeat program for automated failover. Toss in something like CrashPlan for offsite and onsite backup and all bases should be more or less covered. How do you want ot deal with accounts? Are you looking at local accounts, or did you want to do something more complex like LDAP, Active Directory, Open Directory, etc? Do you want users to actaully log into the system under a user, or do they only need to hit a web portal to authenticate? Should patrons be able to access USB flash drives attached to thin clients, or will any files created be stored on the server and only accessable through your system, or do you want to only have termporay files that are cleared when the user logs off? From andyzib at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 00:16:25 2012 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:16:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Tips on meshing BIND9 with corporate AD DNS In-Reply-To: References: <75AAF9EC-A534-4BCF-A400-5432D5BFF2FB@me.com> Message-ID: Never create a .local domain in DNS, Active Directory, whatever. The .local TLD is reserved for mDNS (Bonjour in the Apple world). If you ever have to introduce Macs and other Apple products into your enviorment you'll have so many fewer headaches if you don't use .local, and it's the right thing to do. Anyway, it's been many years since I integrated BIND and Active Directory, but it is doable. Your best bet is to keep things as simple as possible thorugh. For example, have your local BIND server use the AD DNS servers to resolve anything the BIND server doesn't know about. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Feb 27 07:18:09 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:18:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Tips on meshing BIND9 with corporate AD DNS In-Reply-To: References: <75AAF9EC-A534-4BCF-A400-5432D5BFF2FB@me.com> Message-ID: On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:16 AM, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > Never create a .local domain in DNS, Active Directory, whatever. The > .local TLD is reserved for mDNS (Bonjour in the Apple world). If you > ever have to introduce Macs and other Apple products into your > enviorment you'll have so many fewer headaches if you don't use > .local, and it's the right thing to do. No ****. It's not my network. He claims he inherited the disaster but doesn't want to spend the time to fix it. > Anyway, it's been many years since I integrated BIND and Active > Directory, but it is doable. Your best bet is to keep things as simple > as possible thorugh. For example, have your local BIND server use the > AD DNS servers to resolve anything the BIND server doesn't know about. I gave up on it and just made everything that wasn't DHCP a static definition in ADDNS. From trieff at greencaremankato.com Mon Feb 27 12:06:12 2012 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:06:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <99e3ac90-5ec7-4b3e-86d7-ef00782146a5@gc50> TCLUG, Planning on vacation next week. Usually I can get wifi internet access for my laptop. How can I share this access to my wife's IPad??? She has a USB cable for it??? Any thoughts that would be simple??? Using Ubuntu 11.04. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell ----- Original Message ----- From: tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 12:00:01 PM Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 23 Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Linux network for local library? (Olwe Bottorff) 2. Re: Linux network for local library? (Jeremy Olexa) 3. Re: Linux network for local library? (Andrew S. Zbikowski) 4. Re: Tips on meshing BIND9 with corporate AD DNS (Andrew S. Zbikowski) 5. Re: Tips on meshing BIND9 with corporate AD DNS (Ryan Coleman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: Olwe Bottorff To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? Message-ID: <1330311888.39865.YahooMailNeo at web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi there, I didn't see any other responses to your question which leads me to believe that perhaps nobody else really understood what exactly you're trying to do. If you want to clarify maybe we can all come up with something. I'm just wanting to create a server that can handle many linux accounts (desktop, storage, customizations, even ~/homedir software installs). As it is now, we have 4 MSWindows computers with no login, of course. I'd like to convert at least those 4 to Linux clients (thin, virtual, fat, whatever, bootable pen drive). Eventually I'd like to have this server host accounts for anyone in the community who wants one. So far nothing different than any common linux network. The interesting question I had was, Can such a server actually be hosted in a cloud service, or are speeds not adequate for that sort of thing? Olwe GM,MN PS: We're getting all our winter snow in one batch! On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I'm suggesting to our local library that we build a Linux network for > patrons to have their own accounts. Now if someone wants Internet access > (browsing the Web), they can use one of our 4 MS PCs -- after signing in. > Yeah. . . . Question(s): Could a server for such a beast be run on a cloud > server (Amazon etc.), or should it be local? Also, is there a quick and easy > way for non-site users on MS/Apple to log in? Could some sort of bootable > stick drive be set up, or perhaps a cygwin install? I'm no sysadmin at all. > . . . > > Olwe > GM,CC,MN,NoShore > > -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:46:19 -0600 From: Jeremy Olexa To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > Hi there, > > I didn't see any other responses to your question which leads me to believe > that perhaps nobody else really understood what exactly you're trying to do. > If you want to clarify maybe we can all come up with something. > > I'm just wanting to create a server that can handle many linux accounts > (desktop, storage, customizations, even ~/homedir software installs). As it > is now, we have 4 MSWindows computers with no login, of course. I'd like to > convert at least those 4 to Linux clients (thin, virtual, fat, whatever, > bootable pen drive). Eventually I'd like to have this server host accounts > for anyone in the community who wants one. So far nothing different than any > common linux network. The interesting question I had was, Can such a server > actually be hosted in a cloud service, or are speeds not adequate for that > sort of thing? Well...I doubt that anyone would suggest a networked file system over the WAN. That is asking for all sorts of issues, speed being one issue, latency and a continuous connection being another. A $200 plug computer could handle 4 clients just fine and pay for itself by avoiding "cloud costs" pretty quickly, if you don't have the space (etc) for another computer. -Jeremy > > Olwe > GM,MN > > PS: We're getting all our winter snow in one batch! > > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > >> I'm suggesting to our local library that we build a Linux network for >> patrons to have their own accounts. Now if someone wants Internet access >> (browsing the Web), they can use one of our 4 MS PCs -- after signing in. >> Yeah. . . . Question(s): Could a server for such a beast be run on a cloud >> server (Amazon etc.), or should it be local? Also, is there a quick and >> easy >> way for non-site users on MS/Apple to log in? Could some sort of bootable >> stick drive be set up, or perhaps a cygwin install? I'm no sysadmin at >> all. >> . . . >> >> Olwe >> GM,CC,MN,NoShore >> >> > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:06:22 -0600 From: "Andrew S. Zbikowski" To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like you're looking for something along the lines of Linux Terminal Server Project: http://www.ltsp.org. These days, a good i5 or i7 based machine could easily deal with a handful of clients. You could even send all your net traffic through Squid+SquidGuard if you had to deal with requirments for filtering on the same box. A simple rsync between your primary system and standby computer for redundancy, add a heartbeat program for automated failover. Toss in something like CrashPlan for offsite and onsite backup and all bases should be more or less covered. How do you want ot deal with accounts? Are you looking at local accounts, or did you want to do something more complex like LDAP, Active Directory, Open Directory, etc? Do you want users to actaully log into the system under a user, or do they only need to hit a web portal to authenticate? Should patrons be able to access USB flash drives attached to thin clients, or will any files created be stored on the server and only accessable through your system, or do you want to only have termporay files that are cleared when the user logs off? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:16:25 -0600 From: "Andrew S. Zbikowski" To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Tips on meshing BIND9 with corporate AD DNS Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Never create a .local domain in DNS, Active Directory, whatever. The .local TLD is reserved for mDNS (Bonjour in the Apple world). If you ever have to introduce Macs and other Apple products into your enviorment you'll have so many fewer headaches if you don't use .local, and it's the right thing to do. Anyway, it's been many years since I integrated BIND and Active Directory, but it is doable. Your best bet is to keep things as simple as possible thorugh. For example, have your local BIND server use the AD DNS servers to resolve anything the BIND server doesn't know about. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:18:09 -0600 From: Ryan Coleman To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Tips on meshing BIND9 with corporate AD DNS Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:16 AM, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > Never create a .local domain in DNS, Active Directory, whatever. The > .local TLD is reserved for mDNS (Bonjour in the Apple world). If you > ever have to introduce Macs and other Apple products into your > enviorment you'll have so many fewer headaches if you don't use > .local, and it's the right thing to do. No ****. It's not my network. He claims he inherited the disaster but doesn't want to spend the time to fix it. > Anyway, it's been many years since I integrated BIND and Active > Directory, but it is doable. Your best bet is to keep things as simple > as possible thorugh. For example, have your local BIND server use the > AD DNS servers to resolve anything the BIND server doesn't know about. I gave up on it and just made everything that wasn't DHCP a static definition in ADDNS. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 23 ****************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Feb 27 12:31:45 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:31:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <99e3ac90-5ec7-4b3e-86d7-ef00782146a5@gc50> References: <99e3ac90-5ec7-4b3e-86d7-ef00782146a5@gc50> Message-ID: <8A3BDF5F-D75A-40CC-A7C1-2F3D422F19D0@me.com> I would just tell the iPad to use the same wifi as your laptop. On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > TCLUG, > Planning on vacation next week. Usually I can get wifi internet access for my laptop. > How can I share this access to my wife's IPad??? She has a USB cable for it??? > Any thoughts that would be simple??? > Using Ubuntu 11.04. > Tom > > Thomas Rieff > GreenCare > 1717 3rd Avenue > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 344-8314 Office > (507) 344-8316 Fax > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > From: tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 12:00:01 PM > Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 23 > > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Linux network for local library? (Olwe Bottorff) > 2. Re: Linux network for local library? (Jeremy Olexa) > 3. Re: Linux network for local library? (Andrew S. Zbikowski) > 4. Re: Tips on meshing BIND9 with corporate AD DNS > (Andrew S. Zbikowski) > 5. Re: Tips on meshing BIND9 with corporate AD DNS (Ryan Coleman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:04:48 -0800 (PST) > From: Olwe Bottorff > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? > Message-ID: > <1330311888.39865.YahooMailNeo at web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi there, > > > I didn't see any other responses to your question which leads me to believe that perhaps nobody else really understood what exactly you're trying to do. If you want to clarify maybe we can all come up with something. > > I'm just wanting to create a server that can handle many linux accounts (desktop, storage, customizations, even ~/homedir software installs). As it is now, we have 4 MSWindows computers with no login, of course. I'd like to convert at least those 4 to Linux clients (thin, virtual, fat, whatever, bootable pen drive). Eventually I'd like to have this server host accounts for anyone in the community who wants one. So far nothing different than any common linux network. The interesting question I had was, Can such a server actually be hosted in a cloud service, or are speeds not adequate for that sort of thing? > > Olwe > GM,MN > > PS: We're getting all our winter snow in one batch! > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > > > I'm suggesting to our local library that we build a Linux network for > > patrons to have their own accounts. Now if someone wants Internet access > > (browsing the Web), they can use one of our 4 MS PCs -- after signing in. > > Yeah. . . . Question(s): Could a server for such a beast be run on a cloud > > server (Amazon etc.), or should it be local? Also, is there a quick and easy > > way for non-site users on MS/Apple to log in? Could some sort of bootable > > stick drive be set up, or perhaps a cygwin install? I'm no sysadmin at all. > > . . . > > > > Olwe > > GM,CC,MN,NoShore > > > > > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:46:19 -0600 > From: Jeremy Olexa > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I didn't see any other responses to your question which leads me to believe > > that perhaps nobody else really understood what exactly you're trying to do. > > If you want to clarify maybe we can all come up with something. > > > > I'm just wanting to create a server that can handle many linux accounts > > (desktop, storage, customizations, even ~/homedir software installs). As it > > is now, we have 4 MSWindows computers with no login, of course. I'd like to > > convert at least those 4 to Linux clients (thin, virtual, fat, whatever, > > bootable pen drive). Eventually I'd like to have this server host accounts > > for anyone in the community who wants one. So far nothing different than any > > common linux network. The interesting question I had was, Can such a server > > actually be hosted in a cloud service, or are speeds not adequate for that > > sort of thing? > > Well...I doubt that anyone would suggest a networked file system over > the WAN. That is asking for all sorts of issues, speed being one > issue, latency and a continuous connection being another. A $200 plug > computer could handle 4 clients just fine and pay for itself by > avoiding "cloud costs" pretty quickly, if you don't have the space > (etc) for another computer. > -Jeremy > > > > > Olwe > > GM,MN > > > > PS: We're getting all our winter snow in one batch! > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > > > >> I'm suggesting to our local library that we build a Linux network for > >> patrons to have their own accounts. Now if someone wants Internet access > >> (browsing the Web), they can use one of our 4 MS PCs -- after signing in. > >> Yeah. . . . Question(s): Could a server for such a beast be run on a cloud > >> server (Amazon etc.), or should it be local? Also, is there a quick and > >> easy > >> way for non-site users on MS/Apple to log in? Could some sort of bootable > >> stick drive be set up, or perhaps a cygwin install? I'm no sysadmin at > >> all. > >> . . . > >> > >> Olwe > >> GM,CC,MN,NoShore > >> > >> > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:06:22 -0600 > From: "Andrew S. Zbikowski" > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Sounds like you're looking for something along the lines of Linux > Terminal Server Project: http://www.ltsp.org. These days, a good i5 or > i7 based machine could easily deal with a handful of clients. You > could even send all your net traffic through Squid+SquidGuard if you > had to deal with requirments for filtering on the same box. A simple > rsync between your primary system and standby computer for redundancy, > add a heartbeat program for automated failover. Toss in something like > CrashPlan for offsite and onsite backup and all bases should be more > or less covered. > > How do you want ot deal with accounts? Are you looking at local > accounts, or did you want to do something more complex like LDAP, > Active Directory, Open Directory, etc? > > Do you want users to actaully log into the system under a user, or do > they only need to hit a web portal to authenticate? > > Should patrons be able to access USB flash drives attached to thin > clients, or will any files created be stored on the server and only > accessable through your system, or do you want to only have termporay > files that are cleared when the user logs off? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:16:25 -0600 > From: "Andrew S. Zbikowski" > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Tips on meshing BIND9 with corporate AD DNS > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Never create a .local domain in DNS, Active Directory, whatever. The > .local TLD is reserved for mDNS (Bonjour in the Apple world). If you > ever have to introduce Macs and other Apple products into your > enviorment you'll have so many fewer headaches if you don't use > .local, and it's the right thing to do. > > Anyway, it's been many years since I integrated BIND and Active > Directory, but it is doable. Your best bet is to keep things as simple > as possible thorugh. For example, have your local BIND server use the > AD DNS servers to resolve anything the BIND server doesn't know about. > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:18:09 -0600 > From: Ryan Coleman > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Tips on meshing BIND9 with corporate AD DNS > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > > On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:16 AM, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > > > Never create a .local domain in DNS, Active Directory, whatever. The > > .local TLD is reserved for mDNS (Bonjour in the Apple world). If you > > ever have to introduce Macs and other Apple products into your > > enviorment you'll have so many fewer headaches if you don't use > > .local, and it's the right thing to do. > No ****. It's not my network. He claims he inherited the disaster but doesn't want to spend the time to fix it. > > > Anyway, it's been many years since I integrated BIND and Active > > Directory, but it is doable. Your best bet is to keep things as simple > > as possible thorugh. 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URL: From trieff at greencaremankato.com Mon Feb 27 15:15:44 2012 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:15:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ryan, My concern/reason for doing this. is that sometimes internet is not free wifi and they only allow one device per access fee. So the reason for sharing. I know, can you imagine having to pay for internet??? Your thoughts are appreciated. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:31:45 -0600 From: Ryan Coleman To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 23 Message-ID: <8A3BDF5F-D75A-40CC-A7C1-2F3D422F19D0 at me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would just tell the iPad to use the same wifi as your laptop. On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > TCLUG, > Planning on vacation next week. Usually I can get wifi internet access for my laptop. > How can I share this access to my wife's IPad??? She has a USB cable for it??? > Any thoughts that would be simple??? > Using Ubuntu 11.04. > Tom > > Thomas Rieff > GreenCare > 1717 3rd Avenue > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 344-8314 Office > (507) 344-8316 Fax > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Feb 27 15:18:26 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:18:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] =?windows-1252?q?Wifi_sharing_over=85_wifi=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34E35925-D437-449B-AFAE-83CA1F96DD2D@me.com> Find a cheaper hotel then? The cheap ones don't care. Of course you have other things that go wrong with it. I'd bring along a WAP and tether that way - if you know how. I do not and I have no need for it. I have a WET54G and my Airport for those situations. But I can also bridge easily through my MacBook Pro. On Feb 27, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > Ryan, > My concern/reason for doing this. is that sometimes internet is not free wifi and they only allow one device per access fee. > So the reason for sharing. I know, can you imagine having to pay for internet??? > Your thoughts are appreciated. > Tom > > Thomas Rieff > GreenCare > 1717 3rd Avenue > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 344-8314 Office > (507) 344-8316 Fax > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:31:45 -0600 > From: Ryan Coleman > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 23 > Message-ID: <8A3BDF5F-D75A-40CC-A7C1-2F3D422F19D0 at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would just tell the iPad to use the same wifi as your laptop. > > On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > > > TCLUG, > > Planning on vacation next week. Usually I can get wifi internet access for my laptop. > > How can I share this access to my wife's IPad??? She has a USB cable for it??? > > Any thoughts that would be simple??? > > Using Ubuntu 11.04. > > Tom > > > > Thomas Rieff > > GreenCare > > 1717 3rd Avenue > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > (507) 344-8314 Office > > (507) 344-8316 Fax > > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmore at starmind.org Mon Feb 27 15:22:14 2012 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:22:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are wanting to basically re-share a wireless network across wireless, you're either going to need two wireless cards or find a Linux equivalent of Microsoft's Virtual WiFi ( https://research.microsoft.com/en-us/downloads/994abd5f-53d1-4dba-a9d8-8ba1dcccead7/) I am sure that there is probably some hopping code out there somewhere, and then you would just configure your system for IP Forwarding and Masquerading, and share on through. However, unless you're a network expert, it will likely be too frustrating to continue. I suggest that you instead go to a used/discount computer shop and pick up a PCMCIA or USB wireless card that works on Linux. Then you can connect your internal card to the paid wifi and create a network for the new card that the iPad can connect to. Should be relatively simple once you find a card that Linux supports. -Josh On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > Ryan, > My concern/reason for doing this. is that sometimes internet is not free > wifi and they only allow one device per access fee. > So the reason for sharing. I know, can you imagine having to pay for > internet??? > Your thoughts are appreciated. > Tom > > Thomas Rieff > GreenCare > 1717 3rd Avenue > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 344-8314 Office > (507) 344-8316 Fax > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:31:45 -0600 > From: Ryan Coleman > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 23 > Message-ID: <8A3BDF5F-D75A-40CC-A7C1-2F3D422F19D0 at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would just tell the iPad to use the same wifi as your laptop. > > On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > > > TCLUG, > > Planning on vacation next week. Usually I can get wifi internet access > for my laptop. > > How can I share this access to my wife's IPad??? She has a USB cable for > it??? > > Any thoughts that would be simple??? > > Using Ubuntu 11.04. > > Tom > > > > Thomas Rieff > > GreenCare > > 1717 3rd Avenue > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > (507) 344-8314 Office > > (507) 344-8316 Fax > > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galanolwe at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 18:04:51 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:04:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? In-Reply-To: References: <1330031983.45538.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330311888.39865.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1330387491.13397.YahooMailNeo@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux network for local library? > >Sounds like you're looking for something along the lines of Linux >Terminal Server Project: http://www.ltsp.org. These days, a good i5 or >i7 based machine could easily deal with a handful of clients. You >could even send all your net traffic through Squid+SquidGuard if you >had to deal with requirments for filtering on the same box. A simple >rsync between your primary system and standby computer for redundancy, >add a heartbeat program for automated failover. Toss in something like >CrashPlan for offsite and onsite backup and all bases should be more >or less covered. Yeah, maybe the cloud server is a bit premature. Just a local box will probably do it. > >How do you want ot deal with accounts? Are you looking at local >accounts, or did you want to do something more complex like LDAP, >Active Directory, Open Directory, etc? Just accounts. > >Do you want users to actaully log into the system under a user, or do >they only need to hit a web portal to authenticate? I want them to have a real Linux account. >Should patrons be able to access USB flash drives attached to thin >clients, or will any files created be stored on the server and only >accessable through your system, or do you want to only have termporay >files that are cleared when the user logs off? They'd have their own storage, settings, customizations, etc. Actually, I've suggested this to the library . . . and I'll wait for a response before I start doing anything. Thanks for all your info -- so far. Olwe GM,MN From wdtj at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 18:47:08 2012 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:47:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] =?utf-8?q?Wifi_sharing_over=E2=80=A6_wifi=3F?= In-Reply-To: <34E35925-D437-449B-AFAE-83CA1F96DD2D@me.com> References: <34E35925-D437-449B-AFAE-83CA1F96DD2D@me.com> Message-ID: <1330390028.66724.YahooMailNeo@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Actually I do this quite often.? I connect to the hotel wifi with my laptop, then connect my 'droid phone to the laptop with the USB cable and enable internet passthru to the phone.? Then enable the wifi hotspot on the phone.? Instant wifi for all who pays me for access 8{)>? ? --- Wayne Johnson,???????????? | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N.????????? | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003???????????? | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis >________________________________ > From: Ryan Coleman >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Wifi sharing over? wifi? > > >Find a cheaper hotel then? The cheap ones don't care. Of course you have other things that go wrong with it. > > >I'd bring along a WAP and tether that way - if you know how. I do not and I have no need for it. I have a WET54G and my Airport for those situations. But I can also bridge easily through my MacBook Pro. > > > > >On Feb 27, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > >Ryan, >>My concern/reason for doing this. is that sometimes internet is not free wifi and they only allow one device per access fee. >>So the reason for sharing. I know, can you imagine having to pay for internet??? >>Your thoughts are appreciated. >>Tom >> >> >>Thomas Rieff? >>GreenCare? >>1717 3rd Avenue? >>Mankato, MN 56001? >>(507) 344-8314 Office? >>(507) 344-8316 Fax? >>(507) 381-0660 Cell? >> >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:31:45 -0600 >>From: Ryan Coleman >>To: TCLUG Mailing List >>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 23 >>Message-ID: <8A3BDF5F-D75A-40CC-A7C1-2F3D422F19D0 at me.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>I would just tell the iPad to use the same wifi as your laptop. >> >>On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: >> >>> TCLUG, >>> Planning on vacation next week. Usually I can get wifi internet access for my laptop. >>> How can I share this access to my wife's IPad??? She has a USB cable for it???? >>> Any thoughts that would be simple??? >>> Using Ubuntu 11.04. >>> Tom? >>>? >>> Thomas Rieff? >>> GreenCare? >>> 1717 3rd Avenue? >>> Mankato, MN 56001? >>> (507) 344-8314 Office? >>> (507) 344-8316 Fax? >>> (507) 381-0660 Cell? >>>? >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Feb 27 18:58:11 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:58:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] =?windows-1252?q?Wifi_sharing_over=85_wifi=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1330390028.66724.YahooMailNeo@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <34E35925-D437-449B-AFAE-83CA1F96DD2D@me.com> <1330390028.66724.YahooMailNeo@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63692D25-28B4-4B40-B8A9-1270C6301547@me.com> That's assuming there's a cell phone available that can be used; given the materials he said he has I would suspect that the USB Linux-capable dongle would be the best option. On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Wayne Johnson wrote: > Actually I do this quite often. I connect to the hotel wifi with my laptop, then connect my 'droid phone to the laptop with the USB cable and enable internet passthru to the phone. Then enable the wifi hotspot on the phone. Instant wifi for all who pays me for access 8{)> > > --- > Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those > 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," > Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, > (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis > > From: Ryan Coleman > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Wifi sharing over? wifi? > > Find a cheaper hotel then? The cheap ones don't care. Of course you have other things that go wrong with it. > > I'd bring along a WAP and tether that way - if you know how. I do not and I have no need for it. I have a WET54G and my Airport for those situations. But I can also bridge easily through my MacBook Pro. > > > On Feb 27, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > >> Ryan, >> My concern/reason for doing this. is that sometimes internet is not free wifi and they only allow one device per access fee. >> So the reason for sharing. I know, can you imagine having to pay for internet??? >> Your thoughts are appreciated. >> Tom >> >> Thomas Rieff >> GreenCare >> 1717 3rd Avenue >> Mankato, MN 56001 >> (507) 344-8314 Office >> (507) 344-8316 Fax >> (507) 381-0660 Cell >> >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:31:45 -0600 >> From: Ryan Coleman >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 86, Issue 23 >> Message-ID: <8A3BDF5F-D75A-40CC-A7C1-2F3D422F19D0 at me.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I would just tell the iPad to use the same wifi as your laptop. >> >> On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: >> >> > TCLUG, >> > Planning on vacation next week. Usually I can get wifi internet access for my laptop. >> > How can I share this access to my wife's IPad??? She has a USB cable for it??? >> > Any thoughts that would be simple??? >> > Using Ubuntu 11.04. >> > Tom >> > >> > Thomas Rieff >> > GreenCare >> > 1717 3rd Avenue >> > Mankato, MN 56001 >> > (507) 344-8314 Office >> > (507) 344-8316 Fax >> > (507) 381-0660 Cell >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Feb 27 19:53:34 2012 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:53:34 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] =?windows-1252?q?Wifi_sharing_over=85_wifi=3F?= In-Reply-To: <63692D25-28B4-4B40-B8A9-1270C6301547@me.com> References: <34E35925-D437-449B-AFAE-83CA1F96DD2D@me.com> <1330390028.66724.YahooMailNeo@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <63692D25-28B4-4B40-B8A9-1270C6301547@me.com> Message-ID: <616794425-1330394000-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-910015709-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> I know where there are a lot of these. http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20070129b Or else ubiquiti and ruckus both make router products that will use wifi for their WAN interfaces and standard 10/100 ethernet copper LAN side in which you can plug in whatever you want including a separate/private WAP. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Coleman Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:58:11 To: TCLUG Mailing List Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Wifi sharing over? wifi? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 13:05:53 2012 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:05:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] =?windows-1252?q?Wifi_sharing_over=85_wifi=3F?= In-Reply-To: <616794425-1330394000-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-910015709-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> References: <34E35925-D437-449B-AFAE-83CA1F96DD2D@me.com> <1330390028.66724.YahooMailNeo@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <63692D25-28B4-4B40-B8A9-1270C6301547@me.com> <616794425-1330394000-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-910015709-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: If your internal wireless card doesn't let you share wifi via the wifi, find a supported USB wifi adapter. I have a couple Linksys USB wifi adapters that I've used for this. Then connect the laptop's internal wifi to the hotel's wifi and setup ad-hoc or AP mode on the USB wifi, setup your NAT and routing rules, and away you go. A Mac laptop should be able to do this out of the box. Windows 7 can as well if you can find the right command lines to make it work, otherwise Connectify http://www.connectify.me makes it simple to setup on Windows. I honestly would have to look up how to set it up on Linux. All my Linux use over the past few years has been command line only... :) Alternatively, find a wall-wart Access Point/Router like the Apple Air Port Express. I have an older (and discontinued) Linksys router that I traveled with (http://amzn.to/wY6bXZ) when I was on the road for business. Thankfully there are lots of travel routers to be found: http://amzn.to/w0gKqs. The travel routers will generally let you convert wifi to ethernet, or share an ethernet drop via wifi. Very handy in Hiltons and other hotels that charge you for internet access, and I've found it tends to be more reliable as well to use the room's ethernet jack and share it via my own travel router than deal with everyone else on the wifi network. In some cases I was able to stream Netflix or play an online game via the room's ethernet and my router where doing so over the hotels wifi just wouldn't work. Also was nice to be able to use my iPod Touch or iPhone on wifi without having to pay for access for each device. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 15:30:30 2012 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:30:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers Message-ID: While my gmail account is my primary account for email, and I expect it will continue to be, I have been thinking about setting up a mail server for some other domains that I own, and experimenting with various web mail servers as well as traditional mail clients. Does anyone have any strong preferences for mail server? I have postfix installed as my MDA, and I don't have any desire to change from that. I'm looking at POP3 and IMAP servers though. I've used Courier in the past. I'm interested in trying the GNU mailutils (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailutils/mailutils.html). Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. -Erik -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From jmore at starmind.org Tue Feb 28 15:40:32 2012 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:40:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am a big fan of Qmail. I find it an intuitive and well-designed system. If you use it, use QmailToaster, and everything will go together really nice. That said, the vast majority of *nix geeks disagree and prefer Postfix instead. You'll find better documentation and less pain down that route. -Josh On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > While my gmail account is my primary account for email, and I expect > it will continue to be, I have been thinking about setting up a mail > server for some other domains that I own, and experimenting with > various web mail servers as well as traditional mail clients. > > Does anyone have any strong preferences for mail server? I have > postfix installed as my MDA, and I don't have any desire to change > from that. I'm looking at POP3 and IMAP servers though. I've used > Courier in the past. I'm interested in trying the GNU mailutils > (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailutils/mailutils.html). > > Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. > > -Erik > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Feb 28 15:51:42 2012 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:51:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1330465902.2542.2.camel@sysadmin3a> Postfix + Dovecot for pop/imap server. It is way better than courier. Dovecot also has a very Postfixy feel. If you just want to play around with other mail clients (webmails and local apps) why not continue to use the gmail system? You can host your domains (or even just test subdomains) on there no problem instead of setting up and learning new mail systems, unless of course you're also interested in learning about that as well but that was not in your stated intent. On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 15:30 -0600, Erik Mitchell wrote: > While my gmail account is my primary account for email, and I expect > it will continue to be, I have been thinking about setting up a mail > server for some other domains that I own, and experimenting with > various web mail servers as well as traditional mail clients. > > Does anyone have any strong preferences for mail server? I have > postfix installed as my MDA, and I don't have any desire to change > from that. I'm looking at POP3 and IMAP servers though. I've used > Courier in the past. I'm interested in trying the GNU mailutils > (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailutils/mailutils.html). > > Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. > > -Erik > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Feb 28 15:53:08 2012 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:53:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120228215308.GA9415@fireopal.org> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 03:30:30PM -0600, Erik Mitchell wrote: > While my gmail account is my primary account for email, and I expect > it will continue to be, I have been thinking about setting up a mail > server for some other domains that I own, and experimenting with > various web mail servers as well as traditional mail clients. > > Does anyone have any strong preferences for mail server? I have > postfix installed as my MDA, and I don't have any desire to change > from that. I'm looking at POP3 and IMAP servers though. I've used > Courier in the past. I'm interested in trying the GNU mailutils > (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailutils/mailutils.html). > > Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. I'm using the GNU mailutils to provide a real-time IMAP <> mbox service, mutt for most e-mail going straight to the mboxes, and Squirrelmail to the IMAP for webmail. I've been happy with that arrangement for some time. The only time I had any problems with it, it was because the IMAP server portion was down and it took me forever to realize it. Didn't even bother to try to figure out why - it was probably something I'd done and forgotten. -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From florin at iucha.net Tue Feb 28 16:15:37 2012 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:15:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: <1330465902.2542.2.camel@sysadmin3a> References: <1330465902.2542.2.camel@sysadmin3a> Message-ID: <20120228221536.GJ12616@styx.iucha.org> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 03:51:42PM -0600, Justin Krejci wrote: > Postfix + Dovecot for pop/imap server. It is way better than courier. > Dovecot also has a very Postfixy feel. I hosted my e-mail for 10 years, first with sendmail + courier, then postfix + courier finally settling on postfix + dovecot. It is easy to setup and fairly secure out of the box. Don't forget spamassassin. Cheers, florin -- Beware of software written by optimists! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Feb 28 16:22:51 2012 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:22:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Josh More wrote: > I am a big fan of Qmail. I find it an intuitive and well-designed system.? > If you use it, use QmailToaster, and everything will go together really > nice. > > That said, the vast majority of *nix geeks disagree and prefer Postfix > instead. You'll find better documentation and less pain down that route. I /used/ to use qmail. I had it for AGES. I'm talking probably over a decade of basically the same setup, since there's not been a new version of qmail in, well, probably a decade. And I loved qmail because before that I actually had to administer sendmail *shudder*. The problem is that the internet has changed a lot since then. I used to not get any spam. Then I started getting some spam. At the height of the problem I was getting -- I am not even kidding -- THOUSANDS of spam messages every DAY. Thousands. Plugging spam-eradication into qmail was just incredibly hard. I tried for AGES and it never worked right, and all the solutions were basically hacks. Getting SSL/TLS support into it was a big part of that. So eventually I took the plunge and switched over to Postfix. It was actually a lot less painful than I had anticipated. The biggest problem was converting all the .qmail-* to an /etc/aliases, and that was really, REALLY not a big problem. So I have postfix, spamassasin, RBLs and a few other things. There's still spam, probably 100-200 messages a week that actually make it through and are processed, and spamassassin/procmail/alpine catch 99% of that, so ocassionally one of those will actually make it to my inbox. I have Dovecot for imap (actually s/imap). I use Alpine to read mail on my desktop. But since I have secure, authenticated imap I can use whatever mail client I want (which translates to Alpine, K9-Mail on my Androids and rarely Horde/IMP as a fallback). -Yaron -- From kris.browne at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 16:49:11 2012 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kristopher Browne) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:49:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95F2F090-782F-49B1-915F-0055C1253D2A@gmail.com> I've been rather fond of using Citadel/UX (http://www.citadel.org/) for email, even if I rarely use the rest of the "groupware" features. It makes managing SpamAssassin pretty easy. It ties in mailing lists, forums/newsgroups, and chat, and offers nice browser access to all its features alongside standard protocols (imap, pop, nntp, xmpp, etc). Kristopher Browne kris.browne at gmail.com 612-353-6969 http://www.google.com/profiles/kris.browne On Feb 28, 2012, at 15:30, Erik Mitchell wrote: > While my gmail account is my primary account for email, and I expect > it will continue to be, I have been thinking about setting up a mail > server for some other domains that I own, and experimenting with > various web mail servers as well as traditional mail clients. > > Does anyone have any strong preferences for mail server? I have > postfix installed as my MDA, and I don't have any desire to change > from that. I'm looking at POP3 and IMAP servers though. I've used > Courier in the past. I'm interested in trying the GNU mailutils > (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailutils/mailutils.html). > > Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. > > -Eri > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 22:27:21 2012 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:27:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: <95F2F090-782F-49B1-915F-0055C1253D2A@gmail.com> References: <95F2F090-782F-49B1-915F-0055C1253D2A@gmail.com> Message-ID: I too am using Postfix and Dovecot - they just work so seamlessly with each other in Ubuntu. The maps are stored in PostgreSQL, spam is handled by SpamAssassin, and webmail is done by RoundCube. SpamAssassin also consults the SpamHaus RBL, and there's a plugin for RoundCube to let users train the system, with their preferences/whitelists/blacklists also stored in PostgreSQL. - Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From droidjd at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 22:31:37 2012 From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:31:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: <95F2F090-782F-49B1-915F-0055C1253D2A@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've run Postfix and Dovecot on Fedora/Red Hat for the last four years and would highly recommend that setup. I've tried others, but I don't think any of them are quite as good. For a web front end, I'm going to go with Tony on RoundCube. Definitely the best looking one you can find! -Andrew On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > I too am using Postfix and Dovecot - they just work so seamlessly with each > other in Ubuntu. ?The maps are stored in PostgreSQL, spam is handled by > SpamAssassin, and webmail is done by RoundCube. ?SpamAssassin also consults > the SpamHaus RBL, and there's a plugin for RoundCube to let users train the > system, with their preferences/whitelists/blacklists also stored in > PostgreSQL. > > - Tony > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jolexa at jolexa.net Tue Feb 28 22:37:08 2012 From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:37:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: <95F2F090-782F-49B1-915F-0055C1253D2A@gmail.com> Message-ID: I use to do postfix+spamassasin+dovecot+roundcube. Worked great, then I realized that gmail had a superior web ui and it was just easier to let the man do my email (current setup). -Jeremy On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Andrew Dahl wrote: > I've run Postfix and Dovecot on Fedora/Red Hat for the last four years > and would highly recommend that setup. ?I've tried others, but I don't > think any of them are quite as good. > > For a web front end, I'm going to go with Tony on RoundCube. > Definitely the best looking one you can find! > > -Andrew > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: >> I too am using Postfix and Dovecot - they just work so seamlessly with each >> other in Ubuntu. ?The maps are stored in PostgreSQL, spam is handled by >> SpamAssassin, and webmail is done by RoundCube. ?SpamAssassin also consults >> the SpamHaus RBL, and there's a plugin for RoundCube to let users train the >> system, with their preferences/whitelists/blacklists also stored in >> PostgreSQL. >> >> - Tony >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nesius at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 22:59:24 2012 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:59:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: <95F2F090-782F-49B1-915F-0055C1253D2A@gmail.com> Message-ID: General question for those of you running your own servers. Do you have issues with spammers spoofing you and getting put on black-lists, or needing to get yourself added to white lists? I presently use gmail, but have been considering moving my personal correspondences out of the cloud. Well, at least my end of it. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From droidjd at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 23:03:40 2012 From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:03:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: <95F2F090-782F-49B1-915F-0055C1253D2A@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've never had an issue with my server specifically, no. -- I once had a home server that was given a dynamic IP in a range that was black listed, but the ISP handled that when I brought it to their attention. -Andrew On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > General question for those of you running your own servers. ?Do you have > issues with spammers spoofing you and getting put on black-lists, or needing > to get yourself added to white lists? > > I presently use gmail, but have been considering moving my personal > correspondences out of the cloud. ?Well, at least my end of it. > > -Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Wed Feb 29 00:07:08 2012 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:07:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: <95F2F090-782F-49B1-915F-0055C1253D2A@gmail.com> Message-ID: when i ran a mail server a couple years ago yes those were an issue. SPF and DKIM might address it. i went to google apps. for the office and openvz container mail servers i still run (where spam filtering is already done or a non-issue) i went from postfix/maildrop/courier back to sendmall/dovecot. lighter weight, and i never found postfuss (Swype chose that!) easier than sendmail. gmail filtering is not as nice as maildrop, but i sure don't miss monkeying with spamassassin. On Feb 28, 2012 10:59 PM, "Robert Nesius" wrote: > General question for those of you running your own servers. Do you have > issues with spammers spoofing you and getting put on black-lists, or > needing to get yourself added to white lists? > > I presently use gmail, but have been considering moving my personal > correspondences out of the cloud. Well, at least my end of it. > > -Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Feb 29 02:41:44 2012 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:41:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: <95F2F090-782F-49B1-915F-0055C1253D2A@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, February 28, 2012, Robert Nesius wrote: > General question for those of you running your own servers. Do you have > issues with spammers spoofing you and getting put on black-lists, or > needing to get yourself added to white lists? SPF seems to be taking care of that issue for me beautifully so far. - Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at lctn.org Wed Feb 29 09:54:35 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:54:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] IR Troubleshooting Message-ID: <4F4E4A3B.7010409@lctn.org> Last week I was troubleshooting what I believed to be a lirc problem with a MCE USB remote (vrc-1100). I could get the remote to work with lirc on one workstation, a Mint 10 install, but not on other devices. On my mini Zotac box and Mint 9 laptop, the play and pause button would not work for MythTV. On the Zotac box and now my Dell XPS laptop (Both Mint 12), a stop sign like alert would pop up on my screen each time I pressed the pause or play button. I discovered this morning (after purging lirc) it is not a lirc problem at all, but some other program running that is processing IR commands. I'm somewhat of a novice with IR and thought lirc was needed for IR, but that is not the case. The same buttons work with or without lirc installed, as well as the pop ups when pressing play or pause. Apparently this is why I cannot get my remote to work properly. Anybody a pro with IR able to tell me how to get past this problem? Raymond From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Wed Feb 29 11:20:41 2012 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:20:41 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: <20120228221536.GJ12616@styx.iucha.org> References: <1330465902.2542.2.camel@sysadmin3a> <20120228221536.GJ12616@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBBCAFA@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> Lots of good recommendations here. Slightly off-topic, but maybe someone can help me relay around a residential Comcast block? I've asked this question before - but didn't get (or understand) what I need to do. I know I need to switch from port 25 to port 587 and this may involve some cryptography. If anyone actually has this working with Postfix or sendmail, I would be interested in duplicating your solution. I don't need anything fancy - just want to run some Mailman lists out of my basement. From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Feb 29 11:24:27 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:24:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBBCAFA@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <1330465902.2542.2.camel@sysadmin3a> <20120228221536.GJ12616@styx.iucha.org> <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBBCAFA@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <42763E85-DE06-429C-8163-8281A88AADB9@me.com> Best solution: Business class. The problem with yours is that if they catch whiff of what you're doing you'll find yourself without any service at all. On Feb 29, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Smith, Craig A wrote: > Lots of good recommendations here. > > Slightly off-topic, but maybe someone can help me relay around a residential Comcast block? > > I've asked this question before - but didn't get (or understand) what I need to do. I know I need to switch from port 25 to port 587 and this may involve some cryptography. > > If anyone actually has this working with Postfix or sendmail, I would be interested in duplicating your solution. I don't need anything fancy - just want to run some Mailman lists out of my basement. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Feb 29 11:25:58 2012 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:25:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBBCAFA@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <1330465902.2542.2.camel@sysadmin3a> <20120228221536.GJ12616@styx.iucha.org> <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBBCAFA@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Feb 2012, Smith, Craig A wrote: > If anyone actually has this working with Postfix or sendmail, I would be > interested in duplicating your solution. I don't need anything fancy - > just want to run some Mailman lists out of my basement. Look for documents on setting up Postfix with SSL. I have that running, but honestly I leave it running on port 25. Here's my real recommendation - call Comcast and ask them how much it'd cost to switch to Comcast Business Class. It was actually CHEAPER for me than residential service, and you're allowed to run whatever services you want. Also the customer service is much much better. -Yaron -- From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Feb 29 11:32:28 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:32:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Playing with mail servers In-Reply-To: References: <1330465902.2542.2.camel@sysadmin3a> <20120228221536.GJ12616@styx.iucha.org> <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70FBBCAFA@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: +++ And here's why: I just moved to south Minneapolis from NE. I got a DOCSIS 3 modem. I'm paying $80/month for 5 IPs and 12x2 service. What's the kicker? Install was done yesterday. I tested off my MacBook Pro and am getting 50Mbit down and 34Mbit up. And I'm still paying for 12x2. On Feb 29, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Yaron wrote: > On Wed, 29 Feb 2012, Smith, Craig A wrote: > >> If anyone actually has this working with Postfix or sendmail, I would be interested in duplicating your solution. I don't need anything fancy - just want to run some Mailman lists out of my basement. > > > Look for documents on setting up Postfix with SSL. I have that running, but honestly I leave it running on port 25. > > Here's my real recommendation - call Comcast and ask them how much it'd cost to switch to Comcast Business Class. It was actually CHEAPER for me than residential service, and you're allowed to run whatever services you want. Also the customer service is much much better. > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list