John McCarthy created LISP six years before Graham was born. Graham
is/was a lisp enthusiast/programmer. Maybe "cracker" should be used
instead of "hacker" (at least in the good sense of the word hacker.)

Ed



James wrote:
> Paul Graham has a Ph. D. in Applied Science specializing in computer
> science. Joel Spolsky has a BS in computer science. Paul created LISP
> and Joel has worked with Microsoft on its Visual Basic and Excel
> products. I would hardly consider these endeavors as hacking projects.
> 
> Creating a programming language isn't a new process anymore the step
> are fairly documented. As for working at Microsoft, well yes in the
> early years Bill Gates was a hacker with his efforts to get BASIC to
> work on the Altair computer but at this time I would find it difficult
> to believe that existing product lines lend themselves to hacking out
> a way to get a few more bytes of memory.
> 
> As to what they've accomplished I wouldn't take it with a grain of
> salt but research what they did and how they did it.
> 
> I've worked and currently work at places that have a hacker mentality
> employee's, when those employee's leave it takes years to find,
> fix/replace and document all the things they "worked" on. The cost to
> the company tends to be in the 10's to 100's of thousands of dollars.
> 
>>From researched the words hacker centric I would a-line it with
> cowboy, the lone employee. Most companies need team oriented
> employee's not employee's running of on there own personal objectives.
> 
> The hacker centric person starts there company but it doesn't stay
> that way this would be called an entrepreneur or visionary a more
> worthy title than hacker. Again, look at what Paul and Joel did they
> started products and or companies.
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for your thoughts.  Now I wonder what else from Paul Graham and Joel Spolsky I should take with a shaker of salt.
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