Its times like this that I truly question the value of this list. For the few years I have been on this list, I don't say much; typically keeping any input to Linux or computers. I figured this group was focused on advancements or creative implementations of the technology, and furthering that kind of passion. But it seems to be such a small portion of the list content is truly focused on that, and the few legitimate threads are over-shadowed by the bullshit drama that mushroom clouds into some crap-tangent. I do NOT care about your religious beliefs, or non-beliefs, because this is NOT an appropriate forum for that. Save it for off-line, or some street corner and a sandwich-board sign. I personally do not give a damn about your posturing egos, bullshit bantering or someone's trolling in a demi-intelligent driveling diatribe. We have all been in the IT field long enough to recognize the same online crap that makes us cringe when we see it - so why do it ourselves? Have our social skills and professionalism not advanced as much our knowledge in technology? Perhaps some house-cleaning needs to take place - in our membership, or in ourselves. If you disagree with someone on a purely personal level, let it go - or take it offline - for the greater good. You surely won't win any points in a pointless online argument, and it undermines the value this group brings. Who wants to contribute to a list, when it may spiral off into some off-topic agonizing showboating? I should just blow this off, because the pattern repeats itself in this list - but I expect better.