YMMV but these work on Linux too for a lot of the apps. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html http://network-tools.com/ I use the above a lot. My ISP hates me for doing so when I show them that the failure is actually on their network. Usually my "problem" is fixed within about 1/2 hour, fancy that..... I put them in their place on their demarcaton line which is their modem. They have no business asking, inquiring or blaming it is my network and if they want to probe it then I will post a complaint with the FCC and FBI for DMCA violations. On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:17, <tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org> wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Is there a better tool for running a traceroute? (David S Alanis) > 2. Re: Is there a better tool for running a traceroute? > (canito at dalan.us) > 3. Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro (Jason Hsu) > 4. Re: Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro > (Nathan England) > 5. Re: Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro (Chuck Cole) > 6. Re: Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro (Yaron) > 7. Re: Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro (Jason Hsu) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 16:47:37 -0600 > From: David S Alanis <canito at dalan.us> > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Subject: [tclug-list] Is there a better tool for running a traceroute? > Message-ID: <4EDAA709.50906 at dalan.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I found a odd anomaly running the traceroute command on an old Red Hat 4 > box. > > When you run traceroute -r -F ipaddress it works fine and if you run > that command back to back, > there is a 5 second delay in the reported result and it's worrisome. > > I asked a friend to run the same test in a completely different > environment and he was able to replicate the delayed response from > traceroute. > > I am thinking there must be a network tool that has implemented their > own traceroute utility which won't have this weird behaviour? > > Although I will say that when I run traceroute -I (upper case i) to use > ICMP instead of UDP the behaviour is not nearly as bad. > > And by the way, I was not aware that by default traceroute on Linux used > high UDP ports which caught me by surprise seeing ICMP port unreachable > messages in a network capture, running the default traceroute. Is that > just how its always been? I tested traceroute on a separate OS than > Linux and that traceroute used ICMP. > > So far I've tested hping and this may not work since (I can't verify) it > only uses TCP for traceroutes. I also tried nmap, but it isn't installed > by default on Red Hat so this won't work either. The other tool that I > found to work and will need to probably look into further was mtr. > > Anybody here can recommend a better tool for the job? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:17:25 -0600 (CST) > From: canito at dalan.us > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Cc: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Is there a better tool for running a > traceroute? > Message-ID: <1322961445.2329 at dalan.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> So far I've tested hping and this may not work since (I can't verify) it >> only uses TCP for traceroutes. I also tried nmap, but it isn't installed >> by default on Red Hat so this won't work either. The other tool that I >> found to work and will need to probably look into further was mtr. >> > > I just tested mtr and it seems like a very useful network utility. I guess I just found the replacement for traceroute. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 00:26:14 -0600 > From: Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro > Message-ID: <20111204002614.cfd0f5a7800b3aa50a2d242f at jasonhsu.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? I don't have any particular favorites, but that's because I don't use the multimedia apps that often, and I generally find all of the most popular apps acceptable to me. I'm trying to decide what to remove from Linux Mint Debian Edition and what to add in order to create Swift Linux. > > I've noticed that Linux distros tend to offer redundancy in their selection of multimedia apps. Even Puppy Linux and antiX Linux offer redundant multimedia apps. In Swift Linux, every MB counts. Not only am I trying to shrink the 1.1 GB ISO file of LMDE with GNOME to under 700 MB so it fits onto a CD, I want Swift Linux to continue to fit onto a CD for years to come. Thus, I need apps that are reasonably lightweight and have few or no dependencies. > > What do you think of XMMS? It's the ONLY multimedia player included with Damn Small Linux. ConnochaetOS comes with only GNOMEPlayer, SimpleBurn, and GTK Sound Mixer. > > I'd especially like to hear from those of you who also use lightweight distros. In addition to the lightweight distros I've mentioned here, what others should I try? A solution that works for other lightweight distros could work for Swift Linux. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:48:07 -0700 > From: Nathan England <nathan at paysonlinux.org> > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux > distro > Message-ID: <1969418.PzG5XQC0ld at thinkpad.nmecs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have found it rather funny that in a world of increasing hard drive sizes, > we are still working at making our storage footprint smaller. > I could understand a little with the memory footprint, but I don't understand > the storage foot print. Unless your intentions for a small distro is to "fit on > the cd" rather take up a lot of hard drive space. > > Regardless, > > (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) > I would have to request: > mplayer for DVD/video player > dvdbackup for dvd ripper > cdda2wav for audio/cd player/ripper along with mplayer to play the ripped > files. I realize mplayer has a lot of deps, but you get everything in the end. > And it is far faster than xine. > Or even aplay works well. > > Nathan > > On Sunday, December 04, 2011 00:26:14 Jason Hsu wrote: >> What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD >> player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? I don't have any particular >> favorites, but that's because I don't use the multimedia apps that often, >> and I generally find all of the most popular apps acceptable to me. I'm >> trying to decide what to remove from Linux Mint Debian Edition and what to >> add in order to create Swift Linux. >> >> I've noticed that Linux distros tend to offer redundancy in their selection >> of multimedia apps. Even Puppy Linux and antiX Linux offer redundant >> multimedia apps. In Swift Linux, every MB counts. Not only am I trying to >> shrink the 1.1 GB ISO file of LMDE with GNOME to under 700 MB so it fits >> onto a CD, I want Swift Linux to continue to fit onto a CD for years to >> come. Thus, I need apps that are reasonably lightweight and have few or no >> dependencies. >> >> What do you think of XMMS? It's the ONLY multimedia player included with >> Damn Small Linux. ConnochaetOS comes with only GNOMEPlayer, SimpleBurn, >> and GTK Sound Mixer. >> >> I'd especially like to hear from those of you who also use lightweight >> distros. In addition to the lightweight distros I've mentioned here, what >> others should I try? A solution that works for other lightweight distros >> could work for Swift Linux. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:30:07 -0600 > From: "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net> > To: <nathan at paysonlinux.org>, "TCLUG Mailing List" > <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux > distro > Message-ID: <KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLOEBKDHAA.cncole at earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jason is developing the distro for the Dick Tracy wrist computer. It will use the DataPlay 32mm diameter CD discs and a 1" diagonal > 3-D screen > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DataPlay > > Battery life is expected to be at least 15 minutes... maybe 2 full songs. > The built-in speakers will be kinda wimpy tho :-) > > > Chuck > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nathan England >> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 12:48 AM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro >> >> >> I have found it rather funny that in a world of increasing hard drive sizes, >> we are still working at making our storage footprint smaller. >> I could understand a little with the memory footprint, but I don't understand >> the storage foot print. Unless your intentions for a small distro is to "fit on >> the cd" rather take up a lot of hard drive space. >> >> Regardless, >> >> (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) >> I would have to request: >> mplayer for DVD/video player >> dvdbackup for dvd ripper >> cdda2wav for audio/cd player/ripper along with mplayer to play the ripped >> files. I realize mplayer has a lot of deps, but you get everything in the end. >> And it is far faster than xine. >> Or even aplay works well. >> >> Nathan >> >> On Sunday, December 04, 2011 00:26:14 Jason Hsu wrote: >> > What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD >> > player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? I don't have any particular >> > favorites, but that's because I don't use the multimedia apps that often, >> > and I generally find all of the most popular apps acceptable to me. I'm >> > trying to decide what to remove from Linux Mint Debian Edition and what to >> > add in order to create Swift Linux. >> > >> > I've noticed that Linux distros tend to offer redundancy in their selection >> > of multimedia apps. Even Puppy Linux and antiX Linux offer redundant >> > multimedia apps. In Swift Linux, every MB counts. Not only am I trying to >> > shrink the 1.1 GB ISO file of LMDE with GNOME to under 700 MB so it fits >> > onto a CD, I want Swift Linux to continue to fit onto a CD for years to >> > come. Thus, I need apps that are reasonably lightweight and have few or no >> > dependencies. >> > >> > What do you think of XMMS? It's the ONLY multimedia player included with >> > Damn Small Linux. ConnochaetOS comes with only GNOMEPlayer, SimpleBurn, >> > and GTK Sound Mixer. >> > >> > I'd especially like to hear from those of you who also use lightweight >> > distros. In addition to the lightweight distros I've mentioned here, what >> > others should I try? A solution that works for other lightweight distros >> > could work for Swift Linux. >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 03:26:37 -0600 (CST) > From: Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> > To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux > distro > Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1112040319090.9898 at Dragon> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Sun, 4 Dec 2011, Jason Hsu wrote: > >> What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, >> audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? > > I'm not sure how lightweight you're going to get media players to be. > Especially video players. There are so many millions of codecs out there, > for one. Same for any kind of ripper - they want to be able to handle > anything you throw at them and output anything you want them to throw out. > > Doubly true if you want anything with a GUI. I mean you can always use > mpg123 to play your MP3 files one by one, and I bet someone's made a > commandline interface to do playliss like that, but it's just so much > simpler to use a GUI jukebox kinda thing. > > Although if you want to go REALLY lightweight you put all your media on a > media server and use a web-based player like Subsonic or something. > > > Since you already have Gnome, wouldn't it make sense to use Gnome's media > players? I mean then you already have a lot of the dependencies. > > > As for me - I use mplayer for video (on my HTPC, I like it much better > than MythTV's builtin player). VLC alwyas gets top reviews, too. > > I use Rhythmbox to play music on my desktop. I'm not sure why. I used to > use xmms a million years ago. The HTPC uses MythTV's music player though, > and like I said, I have Subsonic running so I can stream that through a > browser or my phone. > > I use abcde to rip CDs to FLAC, which goes on the media server, and then > use pacpl to convert to MP3 for streaming. I know abcde can supposedly rip > to both FLAC and MP3 at once but that was just messy as I wanted to > integrate into my existing trees. Thanks to people on the lit for > suggesting abcde, btw. Both abcde and pacpl should be pretty lightweight, > I'd think. > > I use Handbrake to rip DVDs. I've been working on digitizing my DVD > collection like I have my CD collection, now that we have the storage > capacity for hundreds of movies. I don't know that it's light, but it > works. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:17:29 -0600 > From: Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux > distro > Message-ID: <20111204111729.8b7d5233920dd08023f2c42b at jasonhsu.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Yaron, thanks for your input on what packages to keep. > > For those of you who don't understand what I'm doing, I'm creating a lightweight version of Linux Mint Debian Edition. antiX Linux proved that it's possible to lighten a heavyweight distro. As a result, antiX Linux is 100% compatible with the Debian software repository (just like MEPIS) but gets as many speeding tickets as Puppy Linux. The new Swift Linux has a similar mission as antiX Linux, but the parent distro is Linux Mint Debian Edition. > > Swift Linux is aimed for the underpopulated lower portion of the Linux market. The idea is to combine the power of Linux Mint with the lightness of Puppy/antiX Linux so that it works well on 10-year-old desktop computers with no resale value. If all goes well, Swift Linux will be the premier replacement for Windows XP and an alternative to Ubuntu for FreeGeek. (I wonder if FreeGeek is sticking with Ubuntu or looking for a replacement distro.) > > A special challenge of Swift Linux is to INCLUDE LibreOffice Writer, Calc, and Impress WHILE still fitting onto a CD. I know that even small software repositories have LibreOffice, but since LibreOffice is widely used, I'd like to give my users the convenience of having these packages preinstalled. > > There are many parallels between antiX Linux and the new Swift Linux - IceWM, ROX pinboard, SLiM login manager, and the logout/reboot/shutdown scripts. > > Keeping GNOME from Linux Mint Debian Edition is NOT a viable option for any lightweight distro, including Swift Linux. GNOME has its merits, but being lightweight isn't one of them. Puppy Linux and antiX Linux proved that user-friendliness can be lightweight. > > I don't need to keep the Swift Linux ISO under 700 MB forever - just for the next several years. When Swift Linux joins the DVD club, DVD burners need to be universal on 10-year-old computers, and the remaining holdouts need to be limited to distros like TinyCore Linux, SliTaz Linux, Puppy Linux, antiX Core, and antiX Base. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 84, Issue 5 > ***************************************** -- --- gk http://gm5729.blogspot.com/ Please conserve paper and print this email out ONLY if necessary.