From SDowning at erdc.k12.mn.us Wed Sep 1 09:21:59 2010 From: SDowning at erdc.k12.mn.us (Scott Downing) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:21:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Tracking Down Bad Processes Message-ID: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E067@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> This morning we had one of our apache servers (running Ubuntu) went haywire, something on it used all the memory making it completely inaccessible. It was given a hard reboot and everything on it is back to normal. I'm not really sure how I can track down which process is responsible for this, In the syslog I see messages like: Out of memory: kill process 30525 (apache2) score 2525474 or a child But I'm not sure what process that was nor what to do to figure that out. Maybe I can't find the real reason this time but for future crashes of this type is there anything I can be doing to collect better information? -Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100901/591345b0/attachment.htm From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Sep 1 09:47:51 2010 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:47:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Tracking Down Bad Processes In-Reply-To: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E067@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> References: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E067@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20100901144751.GA15566@blackice.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 09:21:59AM -0500, Scott Downing wrote: > This morning we had one of our apache servers (running Ubuntu) went > haywire, something on it used all the memory making it completely > inaccessible. It was given a hard reboot and everything on it is back to > normal. I'm not really sure how I can track down which process is > responsible for this, In the syslog I see messages like: > Out of memory: kill process 30525 (apache2) score 2525474 or a child > But I'm not sure what process that was nor what to do to figure that out. > Maybe I can't find the real reason this time but for future crashes of > this type is there anything I can be doing to collect better information? It's probably not possible to track down what the process was unless you have some sort of process accounting running. The Linux OOMKiller is quite unsophisticated and the process it kills isn't necessarily using the most memory, but it's most recent process that attempted to allocate memory that the kernel can't give it. I recommend running something like CollectL so that you will have an accounting log to play back after a crash (of course, in the event of an OOM occurance, even CollectL may not be able to get enough memory to log, but at least you have a picture of the minutes before the OOM event to see what is likely to have used up most of the memory). http://collectl.sourceforge.net/ -- Gabe Turner gabe at msi.umn.edu HPC Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute http://www.msi.umn.edu From random at argle.org Wed Sep 1 10:16:47 2010 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 10:16:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Tracking Down Bad Processes In-Reply-To: <20100901144751.GA15566@blackice.msi.umn.edu> References: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E067@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> <20100901144751.GA15566@blackice.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <4C7E6E5F.4050202@argle.org> Something I do in the event of OOM problems is run top on the machine when everything is running normally. Once it is running you can type 'M' to sort the list by memory usage, then track down the processes that are using the most memory to find out which packages they belong to and whether they are things you actually intend for your system to be doing. This process would be how I ended up ditching Gnome and KDE... -- Dan From josh at tcbug.org Wed Sep 1 10:41:12 2010 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:41:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RAID/mdadm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201009011041.20750.josh@tcbug.org> On Tuesday 31 August 2010 21:15:25 Yaron wrote: > In case anyone is interested, once the array was done reshaping, resize2fs > started working. It's resizing the thing right now... while it's mounted. > Didn't even WARN me about it. Seems to be working fine but is super-super > slow. I /really/ wish I'd remembered to unmount it first but there is NO > WAY I am messing with this thing while it's running... > Ironically, resizing is way safer while it's mounted. I'm not sure about reiser, but on a lot of filesystems resizing isn't even possible unless it's mounted. (XFS being one popular example on linux) -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100901/51f8e14e/attachment.pgp From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Sep 1 10:46:22 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:46:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] RAID/mdadm In-Reply-To: <201009011041.20750.josh@tcbug.org> References: <201009011041.20750.josh@tcbug.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Josh Paetzel wrote: > Ironically, resizing is way safer while it's mounted. I'm not sure about > reiser, but on a lot of filesystems resizing isn't even possible unless it's > mounted. (XFS being one popular example on linux) That's super-weird. Also this is ext4. -Yaron -- From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Wed Sep 1 11:22:00 2010 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 11:22:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RAID/mdadm In-Reply-To: References: <201009011041.20750.josh@tcbug.org> Message-ID: <4C7E7DA8.2040101@soul-dev.com> On 9/1/2010 10:46 AM, Yaron wrote: > On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Josh Paetzel wrote: > >> Ironically, resizing is way safer while it's mounted. I'm not sure about >> reiser, but on a lot of filesystems resizing isn't even possible unless it's >> mounted. (XFS being one popular example on linux) > > That's super-weird. > > Also this is ext4. > > > -Yaron Yaron, we often do "Online Resizing" to grow our LVs live and in production, which are ext3fs. I believe the Linux kernel was patched to allow online resizing, when and where I am unsure, but it is perfectly safe on recent distros. At least version >= Ubuntu 8.04 works well. ~Mr. M Not so sure about shrinking though...might have to break out a VM. From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Sep 1 11:29:46 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:29:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] RAID/mdadm In-Reply-To: <4C7E7DA8.2040101@soul-dev.com> References: <201009011041.20750.josh@tcbug.org> <4C7E7DA8.2040101@soul-dev.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Mr. MailingLists wrote: > Yaron, we often do "Online Resizing" to grow our LVs live and in > production, which are ext3fs. I believe the Linux kernel was patched to > allow online resizing, when and where I am unsure, but it is perfectly > safe on recent distros. At least version >= Ubuntu 8.04 works well. Oh I know it works, heck, it worked, no problem. I mean it was a BIT scary, but it's always gonna be scary messing with filesystems. I'm also wondering if doing it offline would've been faster. -Yaron -- From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Wed Sep 1 11:42:47 2010 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 11:42:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RAID/mdadm In-Reply-To: References: <201009011041.20750.josh@tcbug.org> <4C7E7DA8.2040101@soul-dev.com> Message-ID: <4C7E8287.5080209@soul-dev.com> On 9/1/2010 11:29 AM, Yaron wrote: > On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Mr. MailingLists wrote: > >> Yaron, we often do "Online Resizing" to grow our LVs live and in >> production, which are ext3fs. I believe the Linux kernel was patched to >> allow online resizing, when and where I am unsure, but it is perfectly >> safe on recent distros. At least version >= Ubuntu 8.04 works well. > > Oh I know it works, heck, it worked, no problem. I mean it was a BIT > scary, but it's always gonna be scary messing with filesystems. > > I'm also wondering if doing it offline would've been faster. > > -Yaron Probably, we usually only add 5 gigs or so from the pool at a time, only takes about 3 minutes or so to complete. True about the scary part, especially with critical data and moving around the backups :(. I will see how a feel tonight (damn WoW) and may want to fire up a VM to dink and report back. Breaking stuff is fun especially when there are no consequences. ~M From andyschmid at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 14:04:55 2010 From: andyschmid at gmail.com (Andy Schmid) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:04:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RAID/mdadm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The raid device /dev/md0 is just another block device, so why not create a partition table on it? I've noticed that most mdraid how-to's never mention creating a partition table, any idea why it would be a bad idea to do this? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Yaron wrote: > On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Andy Schmid wrote: > > > Did you resize your partition before trying to resize the filesystem with > > resize2fs? > > Well, I assumed growing the array is what does that part. None of the > instructions online have any fdisk/parted parts, and I never used > fdisk/parted/anything to CREATE the partition on the array in the first > place. > > I can try that but I'm very reluctant to without ever seeing any documents > saying to do it (: > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100901/b7edc981/attachment.htm From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Sep 1 14:19:35 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:19:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] RAID/mdadm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Andy Schmid wrote: > The raid device /dev/md0 is just another block device, so why not create a > partition table on it?? I've noticed that most mdraid how-to's never mention > creating a partition table, any idea why it would be a bad idea to do this? Of course you can make partitions on it, but why would you want to? Honestly none of the howtos I saw said anything about making partitions. Plus, since I'm using the entire space for one filesystem, it didn't make a heck of a lot of sense. -Yaron -- From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Wed Sep 1 15:27:55 2010 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:27:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RAID/mdadm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C7EB74B.7030900@soul-dev.com> On 9/1/2010 2:19 PM, Yaron wrote: > On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Andy Schmid wrote: > >> The raid device /dev/md0 is just another block device, so why not create a >> partition table on it? I've noticed that most mdraid how-to's never mention >> creating a partition table, any idea why it would be a bad idea to do this? > > Of course you can make partitions on it, but why would you want to? Honestly none of the > howtos I saw said anything about making partitions. Plus, since I'm using the entire space > for one filesystem, it didn't make a heck of a lot of sense. > > > -Yaron I agree with Yaron. If you wanted a more defined partition scheme for your RAID you might as well just partition the physical disks and create a raid with those partitions. For example /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sda and /dev/sdb will be partitioned into two primary partitions split down the fictional cylinders. /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb2 We can create one RAID 1 if we like using /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 md0 We can create another using /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2. md1 We can go further and partition md0 or 1 if we choose, but I don't see why. Just complicates things further than they need to be. I think it is really just a matter of personal preference. ~M From marc at e-skinner.net Thu Sep 2 13:27:47 2010 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:27:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RAID/mdadm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C7FECA3.1030002@e-skinner.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm late to the thread, but I just did this on my home backup file server. I had a 5x500gb raid 5 /dev/md1 which I reshaped by adding a 6th 500gb drive into. The reshaping tool about 20 hours, and then the ext3 resize took another 5 hours. All online, even continued to perform rsync backups - no issues. Gotta love mdadm! On 08/31/2010 09:15 PM, Yaron wrote: > > In case anyone is interested, once the array was done reshaping, resize2fs > started working. It's resizing the thing right now... while it's mounted. > Didn't even WARN me about it. Seems to be working fine but is super-super > slow. I /really/ wish I'd remembered to unmount it first but there is NO > WAY I am messing with this thing while it's running... > >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Yaron wrote: >> Anyone here use software RAID and use mdadm to expand an array? >> >> I used to have a RAID0 array with two disks, and tried to grow >> it... only >> to find you can't add devices to a RAID0 (no idea why, it seems >> like it'd >> be the easiest!) Anyway, I had to use the two additional disks >> to make a >> RAID5 array (by splitting them into two partitions each), copy >> all the >> data to THAT one and then grow it using the original RAID >> devices. >> >> Yeah, bit of a mess, and I eventually got the RAID5 built, let >> that run >> for a bit to make sure it actually works, then nuked the old >> RAID0, split >> one of the drives into partitions the same size I'm using for >> the RAID5 >> volumes, and added them to the current array. >> >> That all went well, except when I tried to resize the >> filesystem, >> resize2fs says it's already at maximum. >> >> I do notice from /proc/mdstat that the array is "reshaping" (and >> it's >> going to take forEVER) and I'm wondering if resize2fs isn't >> supposed to >> work until that's done. >> >> If that's NOT the case and it's supposed to be able to resize >> the >> filesystem as soon as I've grown the array, then either >> somethng's wrong >> or I've missed something. I've followed the Linux RAID Wiki's >> instructions >> and have no indication of either of those though. >> >> Anyone? >> >> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkx/7KMACgkQvE9HrEfeE4dX/ACg0XpX52XwR3H+vxLAASrzwfaP lLEAnR/QRR/qFSUi4nfkqgk33ZGhSGFg =BTZI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From popps at primeventures.us Fri Sep 3 09:01:15 2010 From: popps at primeventures.us (don) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:01:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Consulting Assignment Message-ID: I am looking for a programmer that is familiar with Zope and Plone 3.3.5. To set up and maintain the server (Ubuntu 10.04) with Apache as a proxy server in front of the Zope server. You can work from your location. popps at primeventures.us Don Pawlitschek 18014 4997th Ave Lake Crystal MN 56055 507-546-3448 From wilson at visi.com Fri Sep 3 16:29:50 2010 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:29:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Distributing system updates via bittorrent Message-ID: Hi all, My team and I have been exploring the use of bittorrent to distribute Windows and other updates to the 8,000+ workstations in our school district. We're about 80% there with a solution, and I'm wondering if anyone else on the list is doing this. I'd love to have a chat about how you've implemented it. For more info, here are some articles about large organizations using bittorrent for this purpose: http://torrentfreak.com/facebook-uses-bittorrent-and-they-love-it-100625/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Xr_PJdNmQ http://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2010/02/10/twitter-turns-bittorrent-streamline-server-updates/ http://torrentfreak.com/university-uses-utorrent-080306/ Later, Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: timothy.d.wilson at gmail.com?? aim: tis270?? blog: technosavvy.org From nesius at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 23:14:39 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 23:14:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Distributing system updates via bittorrent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi all, > > My team and I have been exploring the use of bittorrent to distribute > Windows and other updates to the 8,000+ workstations in our school > district. > Just wondering... do you update these machines all at once? And... are they on the same subnets? If so, have you explored using multicast packets? That's the direction I saw updates going at my previous gig. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100903/b8b8adc3/attachment.htm From tompoe at meltel.net Sat Sep 4 12:45:17 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 12:45:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended cd/dv driver Message-ID: <4C8285AD.1090700@meltel.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I need a cd-rw/dvd-rw linux compatible drive. Any recommendations? It's going to run on an older Dell g260 desktop. Also, I'll primarily use it to create iso image. I just started the search for a driver for the LG CD/DVD-RW drive priced at $26. I have debian lenny on the computer, but it's not time for me to use this operating system, yet. I want to move back to Ubuntu. Does anyone know how to change permissions on my computer for devices? Seems the desktop is set up so that I cannot login as root. Tom -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkyCha0ACgkQXu0IVO1sqtt1LQCfUXpk0p/eLju5enX+/9Rr/6Dq slMAn1ItsmSWN/OfGYWbrqFulVd4Qo6t =8ohF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tclug at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 4 14:51:12 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 14:51:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] recommended cd/dv driver In-Reply-To: <4C8285AD.1090700@meltel.net> References: <4C8285AD.1090700@meltel.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Sep 2010, tom wrote: > I need a cd-rw/dvd-rw linux compatible drive. Any recommendations? > It's going to run on an older Dell g260 desktop. I honestly think it'd be harder for you to find one that DOESN'T work. Any internal IDE/SATA one should really be fine. -Yaron -- From wilson at visi.com Sat Sep 4 16:47:43 2010 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 16:47:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Distributing system updates via bittorrent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > Just wondering... do you update these machines all at once?? And... are they > on the same subnets?? If so, have you explored using multicast packets? > That's the direction? I saw updates going at my previous gig. > > -Rob Rob, We're using the standard Windows update server system. (I have to admit that I'm not familiar with the details of the process.) I don't believe there's any multicast going on. We think that if we can make the distribution of the updates easier, we'll be able to run the updates more often. We've seen a large increase of in the number of malware infections in the last year despite our enterprise-wide use of Symantec's anti-virus system. One infection late in the school year put our summer workstation imaging three weeks behind schedule. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: timothy.d.wilson at gmail.com?? aim: tis270?? blog: technosavvy.org From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Sat Sep 4 18:38:43 2010 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 18:38:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Distributing system updates via bittorrent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C82D883.3000109@soul-dev.com> Hi Tim, My tl;dr below your comment. Also is a somewhat M$$$$$ response. On 9/3/2010 4:29 PM, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi all, > > My team and I have been exploring the use of bittorrent to distribute > Windows and other updates to the 8,000+ workstations in our school > district. We're about 80% there with a solution, and I'm wondering if > anyone else on the list is doing this. I'd love to have a chat about > how you've implemented it. > > For more info, here are some articles about large organizations using > bittorrent for this purpose: > > http://torrentfreak.com/facebook-uses-bittorrent-and-they-love-it-100625/ > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Xr_PJdNmQ > > http://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2010/02/10/twitter-turns-bittorrent-streamline-server-updates/ > > http://torrentfreak.com/university-uses-utorrent-080306/ > > Later, > Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto: timothy.d.wilson at gmail.com aim: tis270 blog: technosavvy.org Hello, Your question probably would be more relevant on the TCSA mailing list, but I will still attempt to answer. I warn this may read like an advertisement for Microsoft products. I have been also looking at different options for Windows patch management as well. So far my best options have been SMS/SCCM + WSUS for Windows based patch deployments for applications and Windows. Since I don't know how your network is configured I will use mine as an example. We have at ~40 satellite offices with one main office. They are all connected via site to site VPN, multiple subsets. The remote offices don't always have a ton of bandwidth, and a good chunk of the time they can be fairly saturated depending on user activity. For really slow offices (and a good few users), we generally place a deployment server (WSUS/SCCM child) directly onto their LAN. In this way patch deployments are downloaded directly to this child (instead of 60+ workstations individually) and deployed from the child. This greatly reduced failure rates for patch deployments, as well as patches that are being deployed when the user arrives for work. SCCM also gives detailed reports of who and what failed/succeeded. SCCM + WUS allows you to schedule your "advertisements" of an update schedule. Allowing say, updates to only deploy at 5:30PM on this upcoming Friday, or anytime thereafter. There is a lot of customization you can make for scheduling/reporting of your deployments. It appears that most of the links that where attached are for deploying updated web code to server farms, which would work great using bittorrent (almost a no brainer) since nothing needs to be done after the fact (except maybe a reload, love you Linux :D ). In windows land, patches would most likely need to be executed in some fashion, and preferably you would need to notified if say 5 machines failed patching, and other reporting. Scheduling is always nice too. I am very interesting in hearing about the 80% that has been completed in your effort, where are you now with this? Assuming this is a public school system, are you able to collaborate with City/State IT personnel? Supporting 8k+ workstations, I tip my hat to you and your team sir. Have a wonderful weekend! ~M From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Sat Sep 4 20:08:57 2010 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:08:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Distributing system updates via bittorrent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C82EDA9.4090604@soul-dev.com> On 9/4/2010 4:47 PM, Tim Wilson wrote: > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: >> >> Just wondering... do you update these machines all at once? And... are they >> on the same subnets? If so, have you explored using multicast packets? >> That's the direction I saw updates going at my previous gig. >> >> -Rob > > Rob, > > We're using the standard Windows update server system. (I have to > admit that I'm not familiar with the details of the process.) I don't > believe there's any multicast going on. > > We think that if we can make the distribution of the updates easier, > we'll be able to run the updates more often. We've seen a large > increase of in the number of malware infections in the last year > despite our enterprise-wide use of Symantec's anti-virus system. One > infection late in the school year put our summer workstation imaging > three weeks behind schedule. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto: timothy.d.wilson at gmail.com aim: tis270 blog: technosavvy.org > Hi Tim, Have you looked into say an inline IDS/IPS? Snort may be something you may want to look into at your internet gateways (and possibly interconnect routers or vpn concentrator). I believe Snort can be used as an IPS using snort_inline which utilizes clamav as a detection preprocessor which can drop packets upon detection. Depending on your bandwidth this would probably need to be a somewhat beastly machine. Or, just start blocking friggan ad. networks. StarTrib and Pioneer Press have had plenty of intrusions upon their ad networks. Hope you get this solved so you can rest easy! ~M From tompoe at meltel.net Sun Sep 5 00:42:54 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom Poe) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:42:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended cd/dv driver In-Reply-To: <4C832D95.2050602@meltel.net> References: <4C8285AD.1090700@meltel.net> <4C832D95.2050602@meltel.net> Message-ID: <4C832DDE.1070300@meltel.net> On 09/05/2010 12:41 AM, Tom Poe wrote: > On 09/04/2010 12:45 PM, tom wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I need a cd-rw/dvd-rw linux compatible drive. Any recommendations? >> It's going to run on an older Dell g260 desktop. > Turns out, I went to Minco and their $26 LG CD-RW/DVD-RW plugged in, > was seen by my computer, and the driver was in the kernel, ready to > go. All's well. > Tom From andyzib at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 12:09:04 2010 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:09:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Distributing system updates via bittorrent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you looked at building a more robust WSUS environment with downstream servers at appropriate locations to reduce WAN traffic? Also you need to set a deadline for updates in WSUS to force updates to install. If you just approve them with no deadline the updates will install as they are able to, or as the user allows. With a deadline set the user will be forced to reboot (if a reboot is required) when the deadline expires. In general Microsoft only sends out updates once a month, and defaults for Windows clients is to check in with Windows Update or the configured WSUS server every 22 hours. I'm not seeing how updating Windows and other Microsoft products more often will help. WSUS also uses BITS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer_Service) to transfer data from server to client, so in theory the users shouldn't notice the download taking place. Not sure you could say the same thing for BitTorrent. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From emon at lavabit.com Thu Sep 9 02:41:10 2010 From: emon at lavabit.com (emon) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:41:10 +0600 Subject: [tclug-list] can't get sound on tvcard (Avertv Super 007) Message-ID: <4C888F96.1070008@lavabit.com> Hi guys Any SUSE specialist out there ?? :-) I always had problems with this card; honestly it's a pain in the neck. Wish I could replace it, but can't for the time being. Back then I was using 32-bit openSUSE-10.3 and had found a work around for getting sound form this card. Details are on link below http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/suse-linux-help/112495-avermedia-tv-card-not-working-under-suse10-3-a-4.html Basically I had to run a script before starting tv program (KDE Tv). .......... #!/bin/bash #This script is for automatically loading 'sox' with specific parameters. #modprobe saa7134-alsa index=1,2 sox -q -c 2 -s -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp2 -t ossdsp -r 32000 /dev/dsp ........... Since then a few things have changed.... My current Motherboard is GA-MA785GPM-UD2H from Gigabyte. My Processor is AMD Athlon II X2 250. My OS is openSUSE 11.3_x86_64. I am using the built in sound card as well as the graphics. The program I use to watch Tv is tvtime. Both the programs (sox & tvtime) are from packman repositories. In fact I have switched my system packages to packman repository. After fiddling around for a while I observed the following things Under Yast->Sound it shows two sound cards 0 - SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) 1 - ATI Technologies Inc Why is that ?? I only have one card! But this is the most interesting thing that I observed; If I login & start Amarok, then if I try to execute the sox script for tv then it shows .................... emon at magic-box:~> /home/emon/sox_script_for_tv.sh sox FAIL formats: can't open output file `/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy ................... and fails to produce any sound for tvtime. So now I close amarok or stop the music & then execute the script, I get sound on tvtime!! But if I open tvtime first after login and execute the script, I get sound on tvtime; but after that if I try to start amarok, KDE simply notifies that: ................. The audio playback device HDA ATI SB (alc889a) does not work. ................ and fails to play any music. I have to stop the script from executing & restart Amarok. So with my little knowledge, it seems to me that the applications are not able to share the hardware resource simultaneously!! Hope I did a fair job of explaining the problem..... Any correction , pointers/tips will be highly appreciated Emon From SDowning at erdc.k12.mn.us Fri Sep 10 10:29:15 2010 From: SDowning at erdc.k12.mn.us (Scott Downing) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:29:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] MySql Performance Tuning Message-ID: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E082@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> I was wondering if anyone knew of any decent articles about performance tuning MySql, I'm more interested in dedicated servers. Most articles I find assume you're running a million other things and want MySql to play nicely with them, I want MySql to be the priority. -Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100910/7fe7a671/attachment.htm From random at argle.org Fri Sep 10 10:41:59 2010 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:41:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] MySql Performance Tuning In-Reply-To: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E082@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> References: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E082@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <4C8A51C7.9040703@argle.org> I've misplaced most of my MySQL tuning links, but the section on performance tuning in the O'Reilly book is an excellent place to start. Mainly you need to be concerned with buffer and cache sizing and that your tables are properly normalized and indexed. This might help you find more: log_slow_queries = /var/log/mysql/slow_query.log # log-queries-not-using-indexes=true long_query_time = 1 table_cache = 256 query_cache_size = 10M On 09/10/2010 10:29 AM, Scott Downing wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone knew of any decent articles about performance > tuning MySql, I'm more interested in dedicated servers. Most articles I > find assume you're running a million other things and want MySql to play > nicely with them, I want MySql to be the priority. > > -Scott > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jjensen at apache.org Fri Sep 10 10:44:24 2010 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:44:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] MySql Performance Tuning In-Reply-To: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E082@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> References: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E082@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Most articles I find >> assume you're running a million other things and want MySql to play nicely >> with them, I want MySql to be the priority. >> >> -Scott >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Sep 10 19:49:04 2010 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:49:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] MySql Performance Tuning In-Reply-To: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E082@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> References: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E082@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: I On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Scott Downing wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew of any decent articles about performance > tuning MySql, I'm more interested in dedicated servers. Most articles I find > assume you're running a million other things and want MySql to play nicely > with them, I want MySql to be the priority. > > -Scott > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Sat Sep 11 11:04:09 2010 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:04:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] MySql Performance Tuning In-Reply-To: References: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E082@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <4C8BA879.8050300@Goecke-Dolan.com> I agree with using that website. I used this article from that website when I was creating a database server (sole purpose VM machine) a few weeks ago. http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2006/09/29/what-to-tune-in-mysql-server-after-installation/ ==>brian. Josh Welch wrote: > Sorry, keyboard snafu. > > I referred to this alot when I was doing MySQL stuff: > http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/, they wrote the MySql performance > book. > > Josh > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Josh Welch wrote: >> I >> >> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Scott Downing wrote: >>> I was wondering if anyone knew of any decent articles about performance >>> tuning MySql, I'm more interested in dedicated servers. Most articles I find >>> assume you're running a million other things and want MySql to play nicely >>> with them, I want MySql to be the priority. >>> >>> -Scott >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tompoe at meltel.net Sat Sep 11 21:31:38 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom Poe) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:31:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] looking for small distro for older computer Message-ID: <1284258698.3406.1.camel@freedom> Looking for small distro for older computer. Want to put ogg files on dedicated computer. Also need help with commands to identify what is in the computer, to add it to lan. Tom From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Sat Sep 11 22:01:34 2010 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:01:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] looking for small distro for older computer In-Reply-To: <1284258698.3406.1.camel@freedom> References: <1284258698.3406.1.camel@freedom> Message-ID: <20100911220134.a0a8d2eb.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> My main distro is antiX Linux, a lighter version of MEPIS Linux. I consider antiX Linux to be the gold standard of Linux distros, because it works well with only 256 MB of RAM (and flies like a rocket with 1280 MB of RAM), is user-friendly, and has a superior repository (because it uses the Debian repository). Other distros match or even beat antiX Linux on one or even two of these criteria, but NONE compete with antiX Linux on all three. My backup distro is Puppy Linux. It's user-friendly and also works well with only 256 MB of RAM, but it has a weak repository. Some even lighter distros are TinyCore and SliTaz. On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:31:38 -0500 Tom Poe wrote: > Looking for small distro for older computer. Want to put ogg files on > dedicated computer. > > Also need help with commands to identify what is in the computer, to add > it to lan. > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer (952) 715-7661 embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com From kc0iog at gmail.com Sat Sep 11 22:24:12 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 22:24:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] looking for small distro for older computer In-Reply-To: <1284258698.3406.1.camel@freedom> References: <1284258698.3406.1.camel@freedom> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Tom Poe wrote: > Looking for small distro for older computer. ?Want to put ogg files on > dedicated computer. Debian or Slackware do a nice job at staying lean. > Also need help with commands to identify what is in the computer, to add > it to lan. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Are you trying to set up a LAN based Ogg jukebox of some kind? Apache has a module for doing this, otherwise you can set up something like Openfiler for easy file sharing. Brian From tompoe at meltel.net Sat Sep 11 23:08:56 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom Poe) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:08:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] looking for small distro for older computer In-Reply-To: References: <1284258698.3406.1.camel@freedom> Message-ID: <1284264536.3406.11.camel@freedom> I'm working with a dsl modem sending data through to a router, and the router connects to 3 computers on a home network. I want to install a small distro on an older computer, and then be able to ping the two other computers. Is it a matter of assigning a static IP and using the route command on each of the computers? I currently have connection with all 3 computers to the Internet. I had ubuntu 8.04 on it, but no room for music files. Tom On Sat, 2010-09-11 at 22:24 -0500, Brian Wall wrote: > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Tom Poe wrote: > > Looking for small distro for older computer. Want to put ogg files on > > dedicated computer. > > Debian or Slackware do a nice job at staying lean. > > > Also need help with commands to identify what is in the computer, to add > > it to lan. > > Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Are you trying to set up a > LAN based Ogg jukebox of some kind? Apache has a module for doing > this, otherwise you can set up something like Openfiler for easy file > sharing. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tompoe at meltel.net Sat Sep 11 23:15:05 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom Poe) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:15:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ooops. Network is intact In-Reply-To: References: <1284258698.3406.1.camel@freedom> Message-ID: <1284264905.3406.15.camel@freedom> Well, apologies to all. Just learned that when a new operating system is installed, the ip may change, but network integrity is maintained. Where 192.168.1.2 existed, the new ubuntu 10.04 assigned ip 192.168.1.66, and the older computer was changed, using the same iso file, to 192.168.1.67. Magical stuff, these computers. Tom On Sat, 2010-09-11 at 22:24 -0500, Brian Wall wrote: > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Tom Poe wrote: > > Looking for small distro for older computer. Want to put ogg files on > > dedicated computer. > > Debian or Slackware do a nice job at staying lean. > > > Also need help with commands to identify what is in the computer, to add > > it to lan. > > Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Are you trying to set up a > LAN based Ogg jukebox of some kind? Apache has a module for doing > this, otherwise you can set up something like Openfiler for easy file > sharing. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tompoe at meltel.net Sun Sep 12 10:46:02 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom Poe) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:46:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] using route correctly Message-ID: <1284306362.4464.35.camel@freedom> Would like to confirm if I understand home network routing correctly. I want to open terminal on each computer, and type the following, assuming each computer has assigned static IP address: ># sudo ifconfig eht0 192.168.1.66 netmask 255.255.255.0 up ># sudo route add-net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 ># sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 eth0 I hate to run the commands, if I cause permanent change and can't undo it. Is this the steps I take? Thanks, Tom From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Sun Sep 12 14:44:53 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:44:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tom networking commands Message-ID: > > > Hello Tom You can always change anything your network commands do. If you are on a home network you may want to use the host file. #cat /etc/hosts Will list the file. And you can edit it using your favorite editor example #vi /etc/hosts vi always makes a backup of the file you edit by adding a tilde to the file name ~.hosts Add all your machine names and addresses to this file. You can then copy it to your other computers. And they should communicate just fine. Here is an example . 9.7. The /etc/hosts file As your machine gets started, it will need to know the mapping of some hostnames to IP addresses before DNS can be referenced. This mapping is kept in the /etc/hosts file. In the absence of a name server, any network program on your system consults this file to determine the IP address that corresponds to a host name. Following is a sample /etc/hosts file: IPAddress Hostname Alias 127.0.0.1 localhost deep.openna.com 208.164.186.1 deep.openna.com deep 208.164.186.2 mail.openna.com mail 208.164.186.3 web.openna.com web The leftmost column is the IP address to be resolved. The next column is that host's name. Any subsequent columns are alias for that host. In the second line, for example, the IP address 208.164.186.1 is for the host deep.openna.com. Another name for deep.openna.com is deep. After you are finished configuring your networking files, don't forget to restart your network for the changes to take effect. #sudo service network restart Hope that helps and gives you an easy way to set up your network. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also the add-net 192.168.1.0 is not necessary as when you configure the interface with that IP it automatically is entered into the routing table. --j On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Tom Poe wrote: > Would like to confirm if I understand home network routing correctly. > > I want to open terminal on each computer, and type the following, > assuming each computer has assigned static IP address: > ># sudo ifconfig eht0 192.168.1.66 netmask 255.255.255.0 up > ># sudo route add-net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 > ># sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 eth0 > > I hate to run the commands, if I cause permanent change and can't undo > it. Is this the steps I take? > Thanks, Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What stores sell used computers? -- Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer (952) 715-7661 embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com From tompoe at meltel.net Sun Sep 12 17:35:19 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom Poe) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:35:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <1284330919.1775.27.camel@freedom> A few years ago, universities were a good resource. You might see if there's a recycle shop at the university, or St. Thomas. Usually, they are under contract and have to periodically replace (think quota) their inventory. There's also the Minneapolis freegeek org or something that accepts used equipment, refurbishes. Tom On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 16:55 -0500, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > I have two very old desktop computers (early-2000s vintage), and I am considering replacing one of them with a somewhat newer desktop computer (mid-2000s vintage). > > What stores sell used computers? > From goodstuff9 at msn.com Sun Sep 12 17:48:31 2010 From: goodstuff9 at msn.com (goodstuff9 at msn.com) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:48:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: http://www.datasalesonline.com Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > I have two very old desktop computers (early-2000s vintage), and I am considering replacing one of them with a somewhat newer desktop computer (mid-2000s vintage). > > What stores sell used computers? > > From mn-linux.org at cyberians.net Sun Sep 12 20:41:13 2010 From: mn-linux.org at cyberians.net (mn-linux.org at cyberians.net) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 19:41:13 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <20100912194113.fwu10yh60oo08c8s@login.hostmonster.com> Some places I have used to recycle pcs, to buy refurbished systems or simply to located some obsolete part... Box Shop-Dirt Cheap Computers 9040 Lyndale Avenue South, Bloomington, MN 55420-3521 (763) 535-1227 http://www.striketwice.com http://www.reboot-store.com http://www.partstockpc.com http://orphancomputers.com but i would be interested to hear of others, and what your experience has been too... Quoting "Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user" : > I have two very old desktop computers (early-2000s vintage), and I > am considering replacing one of them with a somewhat newer desktop > computer (mid-2000s vintage). > > What stores sell used computers? > > -- > Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer > (952) 715-7661 > embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Sun Sep 12 20:54:24 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 20:54:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure if they're still open, but check out The Box Shop in St. Paul on University. They deal in off-lease stuff and generally have stuff that's in good condition for very good prices. -Erik On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > I have two very old desktop computers (early-2000s vintage), and I am considering replacing one of them with a somewhat newer desktop computer (mid-2000s vintage). > > What stores sell used computers? > > -- > Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer > (952) 715-7661 > embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From jack at jacku.com Sun Sep 12 21:04:49 2010 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:04:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Micro Center (St Louis Park) deals in referb computers starting at around $130 and going up from there. I've purchased a few to replace desktop systems at work that went belly up. These were mostly HPs and IBMs. I know they have several Dell models as well. (Won't by the Dells, it's a long story.) The refurbisher is a company called Joy Systems. Jack On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user < jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote: > I have two very old desktop computers (early-2000s vintage), and I am > considering replacing one of them with a somewhat newer desktop computer > (mid-2000s vintage). > > What stores sell used computers? > > -- > Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer > (952) 715-7661 > embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100912/f4d93e5d/attachment-0001.htm From taanerud at comcast.net Sun Sep 12 21:15:44 2010 From: taanerud at comcast.net (Timothy Aanerud) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:15:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: <20100912194113.fwu10yh60oo08c8s@login.hostmonster.com> References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20100912194113.fwu10yh60oo08c8s@login.hostmonster.com> Message-ID: <4C8D8950.4050804@comcast.net> I suppose if you want to truely be a bottom feeder, go to the Hennepin County transfer station in Brooklyn Park and ask if you can rummage through their electronics collection dumpster. If you can find 2 or three computers there you might have enough for a complete system. You might find some components that work. -- Timothy. On 9/12/2010 8:41 PM, mn-linux.org at cyberians.net wrote: > Some places I have used to recycle pcs, to buy refurbished systems or > simply to located some obsolete part... > > Box Shop-Dirt Cheap Computers > 9040 Lyndale Avenue South, Bloomington, MN 55420-3521 (763) 535-1227 > > http://www.striketwice.com > > http://www.reboot-store.com > > http://www.partstockpc.com > > http://orphancomputers.com > > but i would be interested to hear of others, and what your experience > has been too... > > > Quoting "Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user": > >> I have two very old desktop computers (early-2000s vintage), and I >> am considering replacing one of them with a somewhat newer desktop >> computer (mid-2000s vintage). >> >> What stores sell used computers? >> >> -- >> Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer >> (952) 715-7661 >> embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nesius at gmail.com Sun Sep 12 21:39:07 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:39:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: I just don't see you being happy on a machine that could run Ubuntu, Jason. ;-) -Rob On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user < jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote: > I have two very old desktop computers (early-2000s vintage), and I am > considering replacing one of them with a somewhat newer desktop computer > (mid-2000s vintage). > > What stores sell used computers? > > -- > Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer > (952) 715-7661 > embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100912/2a03b908/attachment.htm From kc0iog at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 11:39:07 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:39:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > I have two very old desktop computers (early-2000s vintage), and I am considering replacing one of them with a somewhat newer desktop computer (mid-2000s vintage). > > What stores sell used computers? Ask around. Many local businesses throw away PCs >5 years old. Usually they recycle them responsibly, but if you get there before recycling day you can usually save them a few bucks by dumpster diving their unwanted gear. Always ask permission, of course. Check Craigslist for dumpster dive specials, sometimes employees of companies (like myself) can't stand to see good hardware thrown out and tell other geeks rather than seeing it destroyed. Local government auctions are always good to. Back when I worked at Wright County we'd sell off ~4 year old boxen for about $20/pop, even less if you're willing to take slightly more dated gear. You can also support TC free geek by buying refurbs from them, the money you give them goes back into refurb and responsible recycling projects. Brian From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Sep 14 12:05:28 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:05:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Brian Wall wrote: > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux > user wrote: >> I have two very old desktop computers (early-2000s vintage), and I am considering replacing one of them with a somewhat newer desktop computer (mid-2000s vintage). >> >> What stores sell used computers? > > Ask around. Many local businesses throw away PCs >5 years old. > Usually they recycle them responsibly, but if you get there before > recycling day you can usually save them a few bucks by dumpster diving > their unwanted gear. Always ask permission, of course. Ask, but it is not required. What's in the garbage is public domain. Littering - the act that gets most dumpster divers arrested - is against the law. But be courteous and ask. If they say they are going to call the police... IMHO let them call. Just clean up after yourself :) > > Check Craigslist for dumpster dive specials, sometimes employees of > companies (like myself) can't stand to see good hardware thrown out > and tell other geeks rather than seeing it destroyed. > > Local government auctions are always good to. Back when I worked at > Wright County we'd sell off ~4 year old boxen for about $20/pop, even > less if you're willing to take slightly more dated gear. > > You can also support TC free geek by buying refurbs from them, the > money you give them goes back into refurb and responsible recycling > projects. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 12:23:56 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:23:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Are you sure about this? I'm pretty sure there are several laws to prevent people from going around looking in other peoples' garbage. Trespassing, for one. In residential neighborhoods in Minneapolis it's usually "using an alley as a thoroughfare" that police use to make stops. -Erik On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Brian Wall wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux >> user wrote: >>> I have two very old desktop computers (early-2000s vintage), and I am considering replacing one of them with a somewhat newer desktop computer (mid-2000s vintage). >>> >>> What stores sell used computers? >> >> Ask around. ?Many local businesses throw away PCs >5 years old. >> Usually they recycle them responsibly, but if you get there before >> recycling day you can usually save them a few bucks by dumpster diving >> their unwanted gear. ?Always ask permission, of course. > > Ask, but it is not required. What's in the garbage is public domain. Littering - the act that gets most dumpster divers arrested - is against the law. > But be courteous and ask. If they say they are going to call the police... IMHO let them call. Just clean up after yourself :) > >> >> Check Craigslist for dumpster dive specials, sometimes employees of >> companies (like myself) can't stand to see good hardware thrown out >> and tell other geeks rather than seeing it destroyed. >> >> Local government auctions are always good to. ?Back when I worked at >> Wright County we'd sell off ~4 year old boxen for about $20/pop, even >> less if you're willing to take slightly more dated gear. >> >> You can also support TC free geek by buying refurbs from them, the >> money you give them goes back into refurb and responsible recycling >> projects. >> >> Brian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Sep 14 12:29:43 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:29:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: If it's not behind a fence or locked up, yes. As I have always understood it: When you put your garbage to the curb, you make it public access. Or do you throw away your bank statements, records with your social security numbers, etc? The garbage can in your home is private, but not the one outside the home. As for the police making the stops - they can't arrest you for dumpster diving. Or they would do that instead of the one you quote. On Sep 14, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Are you sure about this? I'm pretty sure there are several laws to > prevent people from going around looking in other peoples' garbage. > Trespassing, for one. In residential neighborhoods in Minneapolis it's > usually "using an alley as a thoroughfare" that police use to make > stops. > > -Erik > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >> On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Brian Wall wrote: >>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux >>> user wrote: >>>> I have two very old desktop computers (early-2000s vintage), and I am considering replacing one of them with a somewhat newer desktop computer (mid-2000s vintage). >>>> >>>> What stores sell used computers? >>> >>> Ask around. Many local businesses throw away PCs >5 years old. >>> Usually they recycle them responsibly, but if you get there before >>> recycling day you can usually save them a few bucks by dumpster diving >>> their unwanted gear. Always ask permission, of course. >> >> Ask, but it is not required. What's in the garbage is public domain. Littering - the act that gets most dumpster divers arrested - is against the law. >> But be courteous and ask. If they say they are going to call the police... IMHO let them call. Just clean up after yourself :) >> >>> >>> Check Craigslist for dumpster dive specials, sometimes employees of >>> companies (like myself) can't stand to see good hardware thrown out >>> and tell other geeks rather than seeing it destroyed. >>> >>> Local government auctions are always good to. Back when I worked at >>> Wright County we'd sell off ~4 year old boxen for about $20/pop, even >>> less if you're willing to take slightly more dated gear. >>> >>> You can also support TC free geek by buying refurbs from them, the >>> money you give them goes back into refurb and responsible recycling >>> projects. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Tue Sep 14 13:15:06 2010 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:15:06 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6066D0239@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> > Are you sure about this? I'm pretty sure there are several laws to > prevent people from going around looking in other peoples' garbage. > Trespassing, for one. In residential neighborhoods in Minneapolis it's > usually "using an alley as a thoroughfare" that police use to make > stops. IANAL and statutes may change, but when I studied contact law, we were told anything set out for the trash is considered "abandoned property." That why the paparazzi can legally dumpster dive through celebrities trash (and why you should shred financial documents before disposal). I also know that in Minneapolis it's supposedly illegal to "harvest" recycling. The city encourages you to report this to 911. I'm glad to see the metal return to the recycling stream, but get annoyed when they leave a mess of shattered plastic and glass in the alley after taking only the copper yoke from an old TV or CRT. From nesius at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 13:33:31 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:33:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Are you sure about this? I'm pretty sure there are several laws to > prevent people from going around looking in other peoples' garbage. > Trespassing, for one. In residential neighborhoods in Minneapolis it's > usually "using an alley as a thoroughfare" that police use to make > stops. > > IANAL... I think same law that lets the police search people's trash without a warrant protects you as well. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100914/e76d797b/attachment.htm From swaite at sbn-services.com Tue Sep 14 14:47:23 2010 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:47:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Sun java on Redhat 5.5 Message-ID: <1284493643.4c8fd14b45cde@g3.sbn-services.com> When I installed Sun's java 1.6 in CentOS, I merely made /usr/java folder, downloaded the file and extracted. Then added: # JAVA JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jre1.6.0_21/bin" export JAVA_HOME export JAVA_PATH="$JAVA_HOME" export PATH="$PATH:$JAVA_HOME" to /etc/profile, and then "java -version" correctly displayed my version, and the app that requires java 1.6 ran just fine. However I am unfamiliar with Red Hat enterprise. I repeated the same steps as I did for CentOS (which had no java version installed anyways). Also, doing "whereis java" shows /usr/share/java" as the path. This version being 1.4.2 we are told is not compatible, so that is why I need to get 1.6 (Sun's version) installed.? What exactly am I missing here? I always thought that if I put the path to "/etc/profile" that this would be?sufficient. Redhat does have a config file in "/etc/java/java.conf" that I can edit, but do not know if I should touch this or not.? Please help a very dim nub out here. Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100914/dddf2ebc/attachment.htm From wdtj at yahoo.com Tue Sep 14 15:00:52 2010 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Sun java on Redhat 5.5 In-Reply-To: <1284493643.4c8fd14b45cde@g3.sbn-services.com> References: <1284493643.4c8fd14b45cde@g3.sbn-services.com> Message-ID: <840350.20444.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I guessing that maybe there was another java rpm installed when you installed the RHEL system. RHEL and Centos SHOULD be the same with the exception of the names. --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis ________________________________ From: Sean Waite To: TCLUG Mailing List Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 2:47:23 PM Subject: [tclug-list] Sun java on Redhat 5.5 When I installed Sun's java 1.6 in CentOS, I merely made /usr/java folder, downloaded the file and extracted. Then added: # JAVA JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jre1.6.0_21/bin" export JAVA_HOME export JAVA_PATH="$JAVA_HOME" export PATH="$PATH:$JAVA_HOME" to /etc/profile, and then "java -version" correctly displayed my version, and the app that requires java 1.6 ran just fine. However I am unfamiliar with Red Hat enterprise. I repeated the same steps as I did for CentOS (which had no java version installed anyways). Also, doing "whereis java" shows /usr/share/java" as the path. This version being 1.4.2 we are told is not compatible, so that is why I need to get 1.6 (Sun's version) installed. What exactly am I missing here? I always thought that if I put the path to "/etc/profile" that this would be sufficient. Redhat does have a config file in "/etc/java/java.conf" that I can edit, but do not know if I should touch this or not. Please help a very dim nub out here. Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100914/31901d39/attachment-0001.htm From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Sep 14 15:14:22 2010 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:14:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Sun java on Redhat 5.5 In-Reply-To: <1284493643.4c8fd14b45cde@g3.sbn-services.com> References: <1284493643.4c8fd14b45cde@g3.sbn-services.com> Message-ID: <003801cb5449$6bf9a620$43ecf260$@com> If I understand you correctly then if you look at your $PATH variable it is finding java sooner in the path than your newly appended version in $JAVA_HOME. So you can either remove the old version (or even just rename the binary file or remove the execute bit) or else modify your path to place the new $JAVA_HOME location before the other one (prepend to $PATH instead of append) or you could even remove the directory of the old one from $PATH but this last one may have other unintended consequences. From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sean Waite Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:47 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [tclug-list] Sun java on Redhat 5.5 When I installed Sun's java 1.6 in CentOS, I merely made /usr/java folder, downloaded the file and extracted. Then added: # JAVA JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jre1.6.0_21/bin" export JAVA_HOME export JAVA_PATH="$JAVA_HOME" export PATH="$PATH:$JAVA_HOME" to /etc/profile, and then "java -version" correctly displayed my version, and the app that requires java 1.6 ran just fine. However I am unfamiliar with Red Hat enterprise. I repeated the same steps as I did for CentOS (which had no java version installed anyways). Also, doing "whereis java" shows /usr/share/java" as the path. This version being 1.4.2 we are told is not compatible, so that is why I need to get 1.6 (Sun's version) installed. What exactly am I missing here? I always thought that if I put the path to "/etc/profile" that this would be sufficient. Redhat does have a config file in "/etc/java/java.conf" that I can edit, but do not know if I should touch this or not. Please help a very dim nub out here. Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100914/0548bf98/attachment.htm From swaite at sbn-services.com Tue Sep 14 15:46:26 2010 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:46:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Sun java on Redhat 5.5 Message-ID: <1284497186.4c8fdf22098a4@g3.sbn-services.com> Here is the full "/etc/profile": _______________________________________________________________________________________________ # /etc/profile # System wide environment and startup programs, for login setup # Functions and aliases go in /etc/bashrc pathmunge () { if ! echo $PATH | /bin/egrep -q "(^|:)$1($|:)" ; then ? if [ "$2" = "after" ] ; then ? ? ?PATH=$PATH:$1 ? else ? ? ?PATH=$1:$PATH ? fi fi } # ksh workaround if [ -z "$EUID" -a -x /usr/bin/id ]; then? EUID=`id -u` UID=`id -ru` fi # Path manipulation if [ "$EUID" = "0" ]; then pathmunge /sbin pathmunge /usr/sbin pathmunge /usr/local/sbin fi # No core files by default ulimit -S -c 0 > /dev/null 2>&1 if [ -x /usr/bin/id ]; then USER="`id -un`" LOGNAME=$USER MAIL="/var/spool/mail/$USER" fi HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname` HISTSIZE=1000 if [ -z "$INPUTRC" -a ! -f "$HOME/.inputrc" ]; then ?? ?INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc fi export PATH USER LOGNAME MAIL HOSTNAME HISTSIZE INPUTRC for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh ; do ?? ?if [ -r "$i" ]; then ?? ? ? ?if [ "$PS1" ]; then ?? ? ? ? ? ?. $i ?? ? ? ?else ?? ? ? ? ? ?. $i >/dev/null 2>&1 ?? ? ? ?fi ?? ?fi done unset i unset pathmunge # JAVA JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jre1.6.0_21/bin" export JAVA_HOME export JAVA_PATH="$JAVA_HOME" export PATH="$PATH:$JAVA_HOME" _____________________________________________________________________________________________ Where else would it be reading the 1.4.2 version? I thought by putting this in profile that it would make this the default java to use. At Tuesday, 14-09-2010 on 15:14 Justin Krejci wrote: If I understand you correctly then if you look at your $PATH variable it is finding java sooner in the path than your newly appended version in $JAVA_HOME. So you can either remove the old version (or even just rename the binary file or remove the execute bit) or else modify your path to place the new $JAVA_HOME location before the other one (prepend to $PATH instead of append) or you could even remove the directory of the old one from $PATH but this last one may have other unintended consequences. ? ? FROM: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] ON BEHALF OF Sean Waite SENT: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:47 PM TO: TCLUG Mailing List SUBJECT: [tclug-list] Sun java on Redhat 5.5 ? When I installed Sun's java 1.6 in CentOS, I merely made /usr/java folder, downloaded the file and extracted. Then added: # JAVA JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jre1.6.0_21/bin" export JAVA_HOME export JAVA_PATH="$JAVA_HOME" export PATH="$PATH:$JAVA_HOME" to /etc/profile, and then "java -version" correctly displayed my version, and the app that requires java 1.6 ran just fine. However I am unfamiliar with Red Hat enterprise. I repeated the same steps as I did for CentOS (which had no java version installed anyways). Also, doing "whereis java" shows /usr/share/java" as the path. This version being 1.4.2 we are told is not compatible, so that is why I need to get 1.6 (Sun's version) installed.? What exactly am I missing here? I always thought that if I put the path to "/etc/profile" that this would be?sufficient. Redhat does have a config file in "/etc/java/java.conf" that I can edit, but do not know if I should touch this or not.? Please help a very dim nub out here. Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100914/fbfde73f/attachment.htm From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 12:32:45 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:32:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 69, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: #yum install java Will give you a working java setup with 1.6.0_21 It is Redhat specific (rhel-1.13.b16.el5-i386) OPEN jdk server VM(build14.0-b16, mixed mode) Redhat uses its own sources from the Redhat network. Did you install it this way? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100915/07c0c3ee/attachment.htm From josh at joshwelch.com Wed Sep 15 20:57:35 2010 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:57:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Sun java on Redhat 5.5 In-Reply-To: <1284497186.4c8fdf22098a4@g3.sbn-services.com> References: <1284497186.4c8fdf22098a4@g3.sbn-services.com> Message-ID: Take a look at that Java that you're getting pathed to, I seem to recall that Red Hat does a bunch of symlink goofiness with Java that you need to navigate through. Looks like this might have the info you were looking for: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/jdk1-5-install-rhel4-452546/ On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Sean Waite wrote: > Here is the full "/etc/profile": > _______________________________________________________________________________________________ > > # /etc/profile > # System wide environment and startup programs, for login setup > # Functions and aliases go in /etc/bashrc > pathmunge () { > if ! echo $PATH | /bin/egrep -q "(^|:)$1($|:)" ; then > ? if [ "$2" = "after" ] ; then > ? ? ?PATH=$PATH:$1 > ? else > ? ? ?PATH=$1:$PATH > ? fi > fi > } > # ksh workaround > if [ -z "$EUID" -a -x /usr/bin/id ]; then > EUID=`id -u` > UID=`id -ru` > fi > # Path manipulation > if [ "$EUID" = "0" ]; then > pathmunge /sbin > pathmunge /usr/sbin > pathmunge /usr/local/sbin > fi > # No core files by default > ulimit -S -c 0 > /dev/null 2>&1 > if [ -x /usr/bin/id ]; then > USER="`id -un`" > LOGNAME=$USER > MAIL="/var/spool/mail/$USER" > fi > HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname` > HISTSIZE=1000 > if [ -z "$INPUTRC" -a ! -f "$HOME/.inputrc" ]; then > ?? ?INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc > fi > export PATH USER LOGNAME MAIL HOSTNAME HISTSIZE INPUTRC > for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh ; do > ?? ?if [ -r "$i" ]; then > ?? ? ? ?if [ "$PS1" ]; then > ?? ? ? ? ? ?. $i > ?? ? ? ?else > ?? ? ? ? ? ?. $i >/dev/null 2>&1 > ?? ? ? ?fi > ?? ?fi > done > unset i > unset pathmunge > # JAVA > JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jre1.6.0_21/bin" > export JAVA_HOME > export JAVA_PATH="$JAVA_HOME" > export PATH="$PATH:$JAVA_HOME" > _____________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Where else would it be reading the 1.4.2 version? I thought by putting this > in profile that it would make this the default java to use. > > At Tuesday, 14-09-2010 on 15:14 Justin Krejci wrote: > > If I understand you correctly then if you look at your $PATH variable it is > finding java sooner in the path than your newly appended version in > $JAVA_HOME. So you can either remove the old version (or even just rename > the binary file or remove the execute bit) or else modify your path to place > the new $JAVA_HOME location before the other one (prepend to $PATH instead > of append) or you could even remove the directory of the old one from $PATH > but this last one may have other unintended consequences. > > > > > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sean Waite > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:47 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [tclug-list] Sun java on Redhat 5.5 > > > > When I installed Sun's java 1.6 in CentOS, I merely made /usr/java folder, > downloaded the file and extracted. Then added: > > # JAVA > > JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jre1.6.0_21/bin" > > export JAVA_HOME > > export JAVA_PATH="$JAVA_HOME" > > export PATH="$PATH:$JAVA_HOME" > > to /etc/profile, and then "java -version" correctly displayed my version, > and the app that requires java 1.6 ran just fine. > > However I am unfamiliar with Red Hat enterprise. I repeated the same steps > as I did for CentOS (which had no java version installed anyways). Also, > doing "whereis java" shows /usr/share/java" as the path. This version being > 1.4.2 we are told is not compatible, so that is why I need to get 1.6 (Sun's > version) installed. > > What exactly am I missing here? I always thought that if I put the path to > "/etc/profile" that this would be?sufficient. Redhat does have a config file > in "/etc/java/java.conf" that I can edit, but do not know if I should touch > this or not. > > Please help a very dim nub out here. > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jjensen at apache.org Wed Sep 15 23:45:38 2010 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:45:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Google contacts, calendar, & tasks sync to local store Message-ID: <009101cb555a$061a5e00$124f1a00$@org> I'm motivated due to my new Android phone - trying to find the best way to sync my local (currently Outlook) data with it. While I've resisted putting my data on Google, it seems time to not fight the man^H^H^Hsystem and get the data to Google so the OTA sync will work effortlessly. With that perspective, I'm looking for a solution to sync contacts, calendar, and tasks with Google. I've looked for Outlook solutions and best found seems either CompanionLink [0] ($40) to sync directly from Outlook to Android via USB or Google Apps Sync [1] with a Google Apps premier account ($50/year) to sync to Google. (without a Premier account, Google only offers a calendar sync for Outlook - I did not find one for contacts) I've also looked at switching desktop clients to have a better/easier migration/integration/ongoing syncing, and have been reviewing Zimbra Desktop [2] (contact and calendar Google sync built in) and Thunderbird [3] with the Lightning calendar [4] and its Google calendar and contact sync plugin options gContactSync [5] and Zindus [6]. I'm kind of at a crossroads and not sure where to go next... Anyone doing this already or have knowledge of it to share opinions/suggestions? [0] http://www.companionlink.com/androidusb [1] http://mail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=23333 [2] http://www.zimbra.com/products/desktop.html [3] http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird [4] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2313 [5] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/8451 [6] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/6095 From andyzib at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 01:08:29 2010 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 01:08:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Google contacts, calendar, & tasks sync to local store In-Reply-To: <009101cb555a$061a5e00$124f1a00$@org> References: <009101cb555a$061a5e00$124f1a00$@org> Message-ID: You can export a CSV file from Outlook and import that CSV into Google Contacts. You can also export a CSV from Google contacts to import into Outlook. Not ideal or automated, but it's a no cost solution. Personally I just use the web interfaces for Google Apps instead of using a desktop mail, calendar, contact, etc. program. Works great and the functionality and appearance is the same from any computer. ;) In addition to my Google Apps account, I've also got my corporate Exchange account setup on my iPhone so I haven't had to look beyond that for additional solutions. You mentioned these solutions, but I typed it then reread your message...oh well. ;) If you're using the Premier (paid) edition of Google Apps there is Google Apps Outlook Sync for Microsoft Outlook that will do everything. (http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/outlook_sync.html) For GMail or Standard editions of Google Apps, Google Calender Sync (https://www.google.com/support/calendar/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=89955) will sync up your calendar. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Thu Sep 16 01:19:30 2010 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 01:19:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad at Penguins Unbound Saturday September 25 Message-ID: <4C91B6F2.7000102@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday September 25th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad At this month's Penguins Unbound Meeting Ethan Galstad, founder and President of Nagion Enterprises, will talk about network, system, and application monitoring using Nagios. The talk will cover how to implement a monitoring solution, the benefits that Nagios provides, and how to extend Nagios's capabilities with hundreds of community addons. Ethan will provide a demo of Nagios Core, Nagios XI, and Nagios Fusion and will be handing out free Nagios t-shirts and demo DVDs. Hope to see you there. ==>brian. From swaite at sbn-services.com Thu Sep 16 11:41:47 2010 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:41:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Sun java on Redhat 5.5 Message-ID: <1284655307.4c9248cb999ff@g3.sbn-services.com> The solution was found in in running "/usr/sbin/alternatives" and selecting a new path, along with creating "/etc/profile.d/java.sh". In other words it was completely different all together from CentOS. At Wednesday, 15-09-2010 on 20:57 Josh Welch wrote: Take a look at that Java that you're getting pathed to, I seem to recall that Red Hat does a bunch of symlink goofiness with Java that you need to navigate through. Looks like this might have the info you were looking for: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/jdk1-5-install-rhel4-452546/ On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Sean Waite wrote: > Here is the full "/etc/profile": > _______________________________________________________________________________________________ > > # /etc/profile > # System wide environment and startup programs, for login setup > # Functions and aliases go in /etc/bashrc > pathmunge () { > if ! echo $PATH | /bin/egrep -q "(^|:)$1($|:)" ; then > ? if [ "$2" = "after" ] ; then > ? ? ?PATH=$PATH:$1 > ? else > ? ? ?PATH=$1:$PATH > ? fi > fi > } > # ksh workaround > if [ -z "$EUID" -a -x /usr/bin/id ]; then > EUID=`id -u` > UID=`id -ru` > fi > # Path manipulation > if [ "$EUID" = "0" ]; then > pathmunge /sbin > pathmunge /usr/sbin > pathmunge /usr/local/sbin > fi > # No core files by default > ulimit -S -c 0 > /dev/null 2>&1 > if [ -x /usr/bin/id ]; then > USER="`id -un`" > LOGNAME=$USER > MAIL="/var/spool/mail/$USER" > fi > HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname` > HISTSIZE=1000 > if [ -z "$INPUTRC" -a ! -f "$HOME/.inputrc" ]; then > ?? ?INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc > fi > export PATH USER LOGNAME MAIL HOSTNAME HISTSIZE INPUTRC > for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh ; do > ?? ?if [ -r "$i" ]; then > ?? ? ? ?if [ "$PS1" ]; then > ?? ? ? ? ? ?. $i > ?? ? ? ?else > ?? ? ? ? ? ?. $i >/dev/null 2>&1 > ?? ? ? ?fi > ?? ?fi > done > unset i > unset pathmunge > # JAVA > JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jre1.6.0_21/bin" > export JAVA_HOME > export JAVA_PATH="$JAVA_HOME" > export PATH="$PATH:$JAVA_HOME" > _____________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Where else would it be reading the 1.4.2 version? I thought by putting this > in profile that it would make this the default java to use. > > At Tuesday, 14-09-2010 on 15:14 Justin Krejci wrote: > > If I understand you correctly then if you look at your $PATH variable it is > finding java sooner in the path than your newly appended version in > $JAVA_HOME. So you can either remove the old version (or even just rename > the binary file or remove the execute bit) or else modify your path to place > the new $JAVA_HOME location before the other one (prepend to $PATH instead > of append) or you could even remove the directory of the old one from $PATH > but this last one may have other unintended consequences. > > > > > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sean Waite > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:47 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [tclug-list] Sun java on Redhat 5.5 > > > > When I installed Sun's java 1.6 in CentOS, I merely made /usr/java folder, > downloaded the file and extracted. Then added: > > # JAVA > > JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jre1.6.0_21/bin" > > export JAVA_HOME > > export JAVA_PATH="$JAVA_HOME" > > export PATH="$PATH:$JAVA_HOME" > > to /etc/profile, and then "java -version" correctly displayed my version, > and the app that requires java 1.6 ran just fine. > > However I am unfamiliar with Red Hat enterprise. I repeated the same steps > as I did for CentOS (which had no java version installed anyways). Also, > doing "whereis java" shows /usr/share/java" as the path. This version being > 1.4.2 we are told is not compatible, so that is why I need to get 1.6 (Sun's > version) installed. > > What exactly am I missing here? I always thought that if I put the path to > "/etc/profile" that this would be?sufficient. Redhat does have a config file > in "/etc/java/java.conf" that I can edit, but do not know if I should touch > this or not. > > Please help a very dim nub out here. > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100919/9507da6d/attachment.htm From r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com Sun Sep 19 15:29:02 2010 From: r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:29:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] play muzzy Message-ID: <1284928142.14734.20.camel@robert-desktop> Go to the library to find out what the system requirements are first, then take if from there. (I looked at their website and found no system requirements listed, that usually means you need Windows for your OS.) From tclugl at whitleymott.net Mon Sep 20 06:45:28 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:45:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] play muzzy In-Reply-To: <1284928142.14734.20.camel@robert-desktop> References: <1284928142.14734.20.camel@robert-desktop> Message-ID: I've played them b4 on a TV/DVD player, no windoze OS there. You don't think mplayer can handle that sort of disc? On 2010-09-19, Robert wrote: > Go to the library to find out what the system requirements are first, > then take if from there. (I looked at their website and found no system > requirements listed, that usually means you need Windows for your OS.) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "We know how to transform this world to reduce our impact on nature by several fold, how to provide meaningful, dignified living-wage jobs for all who seek them, and how to feed, clothe, and house every person on earth. What we don't know is how to remove those in power, those whose ignorance of biology is matched only by their indifference to human suffering." - Paul Hawken "We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy ? sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that." - Thomas Edison (1847-1931) http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Sep 20 10:10:26 2010 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:10:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] play muzzy In-Reply-To: References: <1284928142.14734.20.camel@robert-desktop> Message-ID: <024401cb58d5$f4818b80$dd84a280$@com> Most modern media players can play native DVDs directly. I usually just use totem in Ubuntu which is dubbed as "Movie Player" in the menus. It will play DVDs directly and it will also conveniently play ISO's that are DVD rips so I don't need to always have the disc handy or bother with the whole optical drive, tray, dvd case, etc. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of gregwm Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:45 AM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] play muzzy I've played them b4 on a TV/DVD player, no windoze OS there. You don't think mplayer can handle that sort of disc? On 2010-09-19, Robert wrote: > Go to the library to find out what the system requirements are first, > then take if from there. (I looked at their website and found no system > requirements listed, that usually means you need Windows for your OS.) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "We know how to transform this world to reduce our impact on nature by several fold, how to provide meaningful, dignified living-wage jobs for all who seek them, and how to feed, clothe, and house every person on earth. What we don't know is how to remove those in power, those whose ignorance of biology is matched only by their indifference to human suffering." - Paul Hawken "We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy - sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that." - Thomas Edison (1847-1931) http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Wed Sep 22 01:58:01 2010 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:58:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] **Saturday** Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad at Penguins Unbound Message-ID: <4C99A8F9.1080805@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday September 25th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad At this month's Penguins Unbound Meeting Ethan Galstad, founder and President of Nagion Enterprises, will talk about network, system, and application monitoring using Nagios. The talk will cover how to implement a monitoring solution, the benefits that Nagios provides, and how to extend Nagios's capabilities with hundreds of community addons. Ethan will provide a demo of Nagios Core, Nagios XI, and Nagios Fusion and will be handing out free Nagios t-shirts and demo DVDs. Hope to see you there. ==>brian. From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Sep 22 02:05:08 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:05:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] **Saturday** Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad at Penguins Unbound In-Reply-To: <4C99A8F9.1080805@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <4C99A8F9.1080805@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <338C28B3-D595-48F3-B286-D16241757933@me.com> Does anyone record these events? I'm busy nearly every saturday and this is one I really wish I could attend. On Sep 22, 2010, at 1:58 AM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be > Saturday September 25th at TIES, > 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 > from 10:00am to 12:00pm > (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more > info.) > > Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad > > At this month's Penguins Unbound Meeting Ethan Galstad, founder and > President of Nagion Enterprises, will talk about network, system, and > application monitoring using Nagios. The talk will cover how to > implement a monitoring solution, the benefits that Nagios provides, and > how to extend Nagios's capabilities with hundreds of community addons. > Ethan will provide a demo of Nagios Core, Nagios XI, and Nagios Fusion > and will be handing out free Nagios t-shirts and demo DVDs. > > Hope to see you there. > > ==>brian. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Wed Sep 22 13:31:33 2010 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:31:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] **Saturday** Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad at Penguins Unbound In-Reply-To: <338C28B3-D595-48F3-B286-D16241757933@me.com> References: <4C99A8F9.1080805@Goecke-Dolan.com> <338C28B3-D595-48F3-B286-D16241757933@me.com> Message-ID: <4C9A4B85.6030501@Goecke-Dolan.com> I have been meaning too record the presentations, we have good video equipment. I will see if I can get that done this time. If I get it recorded I will post it to the group. ==>brian. On 09/22/2010 02:05 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Does anyone record these events? I'm busy nearly every saturday and this is one I really wish I could attend. > > > On Sep 22, 2010, at 1:58 AM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > >> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be >> Saturday September 25th at TIES, >> 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 >> from 10:00am to 12:00pm >> (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more >> info.) >> >> Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad >> >> At this month's Penguins Unbound Meeting Ethan Galstad, founder and >> President of Nagion Enterprises, will talk about network, system, and >> application monitoring using Nagios. The talk will cover how to >> implement a monitoring solution, the benefits that Nagios provides, and >> how to extend Nagios's capabilities with hundreds of community addons. >> Ethan will provide a demo of Nagios Core, Nagios XI, and Nagios Fusion >> and will be handing out free Nagios t-shirts and demo DVDs. >> >> Hope to see you there. >> >> ==>brian. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Sep 22 13:45:30 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:45:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] **Saturday** Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad at Penguins Unbound In-Reply-To: <4C9A4B85.6030501@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <4C99A8F9.1080805@Goecke-Dolan.com> <338C28B3-D595-48F3-B286-D16241757933@me.com> <4C9A4B85.6030501@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I can give space on Vimeo for the footage, too. On Sep 22, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Brian wrote: > > I have been meaning too record the presentations, we have good video > equipment. I will see if I can get that done this time. > > If I get it recorded I will post it to the group. > > ==>brian. From loren.cahlander at gmail.com Wed Sep 22 14:19:21 2010 From: loren.cahlander at gmail.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:19:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] **Saturday** Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad at Penguins Unbound In-Reply-To: <4C9A4B85.6030501@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <4C99A8F9.1080805@Goecke-Dolan.com> <338C28B3-D595-48F3-B286-D16241757933@me.com> <4C9A4B85.6030501@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: Thank you. I am also not going to be able to attend. I have class all day Saturday. Loren On Sep 22, 2010, at 01:31 PM, Brian wrote: > > I have been meaning too record the presentations, we have good video > equipment. I will see if I can get that done this time. > > If I get it recorded I will post it to the group. > > ==>brian. > > > On 09/22/2010 02:05 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> Does anyone record these events? I'm busy nearly every saturday and this is one I really wish I could attend. >> >> >> On Sep 22, 2010, at 1:58 AM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: >> >>> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be >>> Saturday September 25th at TIES, >>> 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 >>> from 10:00am to 12:00pm >>> (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more >>> info.) >>> >>> Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad >>> >>> At this month's Penguins Unbound Meeting Ethan Galstad, founder and >>> President of Nagion Enterprises, will talk about network, system, and >>> application monitoring using Nagios. The talk will cover how to >>> implement a monitoring solution, the benefits that Nagios provides, and >>> how to extend Nagios's capabilities with hundreds of community addons. >>> Ethan will provide a demo of Nagios Core, Nagios XI, and Nagios Fusion >>> and will be handing out free Nagios t-shirts and demo DVDs. >>> >>> Hope to see you there. >>> >>> ==>brian. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From galanolwe at yahoo.com Wed Sep 22 17:01:31 2010 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <340499.41850.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I've got someone in EU who wants to send me a zip file of his music. It's all .wav, so it's big: 700mb. Do you know of any good file exchange services that are trustworthy, FOSSy, etc.? Olwe GM, MN Privately, Lincoln told John Hay that General Rosecrans seemed "confused and stunned like a duck hit on the head." From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Sep 22 17:07:39 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:07:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: <340499.41850.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <340499.41850.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I might recommend compression w/ password keys and using one of the public ones... Might recommend. You may just want to open up an FTP server on your computer, give this person a login and have them upload. On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I've got someone in EU who wants to send me a zip file of his music. It's all .wav, so it's big: 700mb. Do you know of any good file exchange services that are trustworthy, FOSSy, etc.? > > > Olwe > GM, MN > > Privately, Lincoln told John Hay that General Rosecrans seemed "confused and stunned like a duck hit on the head." > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From galanolwe at yahoo.com Wed Sep 22 17:22:26 2010 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <125898.65841.qm@web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > I might recommend compression w/ > password keys and using one of the public ones... Might > recommend. > > You may just want to open up an FTP server on your > computer, give this person a login and have them upload. I don't have a static IP. I'm on Qwest. > > > On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > > > I've got someone in EU who wants to send me a zip file > of his music. It's all .wav, so it's big: 700mb. Do you know > of any good file exchange services that are trustworthy, > FOSSy, etc.? > > > > > > Olwe > > GM, MN > > > > Privately, Lincoln told John Hay that General > Rosecrans seemed "confused and stunned like a duck hit on > the head." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sloncho at gmail.com Wed Sep 22 17:23:24 2010 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:23:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: <340499.41850.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <340499.41850.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I've got someone in EU who wants to send me a zip file of his music. It's all .wav, so it's big: 700mb. Do you know of any good file exchange services that are trustworthy, FOSSy, etc.? > > Check UbuntuOne service - I think the first 2 GB are free - you need to take care of the encryption eventually. Also, SpiderOak or DropBox - all they have first 1-2GB free. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Sep 22 17:30:38 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:30:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: <125898.65841.qm@web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <125898.65841.qm@web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8AFFD331-AFA6-4AE5-A9C5-B2F53E793867@me.com> That's not necc. a deal breaker. Does your modem go down many times a day and change the IP? When I was with qwest (years ago) the leases on my Cisco 575 modem lasted 7 days - as did my cable modems when I was on residential. Just shut it down when you're done with it. No one will 1) notice or 2) care. You're not hosting, pumping lots of traffic, etc. the things that ISPs care about. On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > > >> I might recommend compression w/ >> password keys and using one of the public ones... Might >> recommend. >> >> You may just want to open up an FTP server on your >> computer, give this person a login and have them upload. > > I don't have a static IP. I'm on Qwest. From tclug at beitsahour.net Wed Sep 22 21:50:56 2010 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:50:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] need old 5.25 and 3.5 floppys Message-ID: you know, those things that we use to use back in my day to move data around. I am working on a project and i need a couple hundred of each, i figure some of you may still have an old stash around. they don't need to be in working condition but the 5.25 should have sleeves. i sadly tossed most of mine out in one of my many moves over the years. From kcbnac at gmail.com Wed Sep 22 23:18:55 2010 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:18:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to buy used desktop computers In-Reply-To: References: <20100912165503.bf0e2b3c.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Sherburne County sells off PCs after 3? years. $40-$100 depending on what's in it. Today they have 3 of these, at $50/each: HP DC7600 CMT PC, 40GB SATA Harddrive, Pentium 4 3.0Ghz Processor, 1GB Ram, IDE DVD-Combo Drive, WXP SP2, Purchased mid 2006. They take the machine, restore the factory image to it, and sell it. New ones go up as they cycle them out, usually in batches. Here's their surplus page: http://www.co.sherburne.mn.us/admin/surplus.php From jeruvin at gmail.com Thu Sep 23 07:06:41 2010 From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:06:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: <8AFFD331-AFA6-4AE5-A9C5-B2F53E793867@me.com> References: <125898.65841.qm@web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8AFFD331-AFA6-4AE5-A9C5-B2F53E793867@me.com> Message-ID: I love dropbox for storing stuff online and accessing it. They give you 2GB of storage and an additional 250MB storage signing up as a referal. I've listed my referal link if anyone wants to setup an account. http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTgyODIwNzk Jason On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > That's not necc. a deal breaker. Does your modem go down many times a day > and change the IP? When I was with qwest (years ago) the leases on my Cisco > 575 modem lasted 7 days - as did my cable modems when I was on residential. > > Just shut it down when you're done with it. No one will 1) notice or 2) > care. You're not hosting, pumping lots of traffic, etc. the things that ISPs > care about. > > On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > > > > > > >> I might recommend compression w/ > >> password keys and using one of the public ones... Might > >> recommend. > >> > >> You may just want to open up an FTP server on your > >> computer, give this person a login and have them upload. > > > > I don't have a static IP. I'm on Qwest. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100923/2b5130e9/attachment-0001.htm From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Sep 23 07:36:24 2010 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:36:24 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: References: <125898.65841.qm@web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8AFFD331-AFA6-4AE5-A9C5-B2F53E793867@me.com> Message-ID: <1033689217-1285245386-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2142298402-@bda2118.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> scp/sftp it across Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: jason reynolds Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:06:41 To: TCLUG Mailing List Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From 13.finn at gmail.com Thu Sep 23 08:04:07 2010 From: 13.finn at gmail.com (Patrick "Finn" Robins) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:04:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: <1033689217-1285245386-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2142298402-@bda2118.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <125898.65841.qm@web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8AFFD331-AFA6-4AE5-A9C5-B2F53E793867@me.com> <1033689217-1285245386-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2142298402-@bda2118.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I can vouch for the Ubuntu One service. It's good for 2Gb free storage and you can give people a web interface to upload or download files to you. It also can be setup to automatically sync with a personal folder on your computer. Only drawback is that AFAIK the only GUI clients are for Gnome and KDE. Patrick "Finn" Robins -- Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100923/9fe11bc4/attachment.htm From cwgriesel at gmail.com Thu Sep 23 08:39:06 2010 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:39:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: <340499.41850.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <340499.41850.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Google Docs allows you to upload and share files up to 1 GB. Of course with Google's TOS. But it's easy and it works; and, presumably, it's running Linux. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I've got someone in EU who wants to send me a zip file of his music. It's > all .wav, so it's big: 700mb. Do you know of any good file exchange services > that are trustworthy, FOSSy, etc.? > > > Olwe > GM, MN > > Privately, Lincoln told John Hay that General Rosecrans seemed "confused > and stunned like a duck hit on the head." > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100923/d84002fa/attachment.htm From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Thu Sep 23 09:26:26 2010 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:26:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: <340499.41850.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <340499.41850.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C9B6392.4070603@soul-dev.com> On 9/22/2010 5:01 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I've got someone in EU who wants to send me a zip file of his music. It's all .wav, so it's big: 700mb. Do you know of any good file exchange services that are trustworthy, FOSSy, etc.? > > > Olwe > GM, MN > > Set up a cheap VPS somewhere and transfer there (insert file transfer protocol of your choice) and download when the tx completes. I personally use reliacloud for this since they give you ample amount of HDD space for the price. 8c (VM powered on) an hour will give you give you 100GB of persistent storage and plenty of tx speed (Max I have seen was ~10MBps). Ingress transfer is free, and egress is 12c a GB. Keep in mind these are persistent VMs (opposed to EC2) so there is no loss from shutting off a VM (only cheaper cost ;-) This way you also only pay for what you use since you can destroy the VM after you are done with it and only pay for what you have used (opposed to a flat monthly charge). This is also a great way to learn a new OS since they have images for all the latest contenders. ~Mr. M From swaite at sbn-services.com Thu Sep 23 09:25:57 2010 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:25:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? Message-ID: <1285251957.4c9b6375bbbf8@g3.sbn-services.com> I would vouch for Dropbox, easiest method of them all. You don't even have to bother with "transferring" the file, as you merely save the file in the local Dropbox folder and let it sync automatically. For you CLI geeks they do have a CLI only method of installing , as well as your regular GUI client under Linux, Windows, and OSX. At Thursday, 23-09-2010 on 7:06 jason reynolds wrote: I love dropbox for storing stuff online and accessing it. They give you 2GB of storage and an additional 250MB storage signing up as a referal. I've listed my referal link if anyone wants to setup an account. http://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTgyODIwNzk Jason On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: That's not necc. a deal breaker. Does your modem go down many times a day and change the IP? When I was with qwest (years ago) the leases on my Cisco 575 modem lasted 7 days - as did my cable modems when I was on residential. Just shut it down when you're done with it. No one will 1) notice or 2) care. You're not hosting, pumping lots of traffic, etc. the things that ISPs care about. On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > > >> I might recommend compression w/ >> password keys and using one of the public ones... Might >> recommend. >> >> You may just want to open up an FTP server on your >> computer, give this person a login and have them upload. > > I don't have a static IP. I'm on Qwest. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100923/26692c19/attachment.htm From elhaddi at enduradata.com Thu Sep 23 11:05:53 2010 From: elhaddi at enduradata.com (A. A. El Haddi) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:05:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: <4C9B6392.4070603@soul-dev.com> References: <340499.41850.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4C9B6392.4070603@soul-dev.com> Message-ID: <1285257953.7863.172.camel@ubuntu> If the data you are transfering is legal, You can use our file exchange: www.rosadrive.com It is password protected and you can specify who to share the files with by creating a group. We use that for demos, so make sure you remove your files after a few days. If you have a lot of data to move over and over you can use our other file replication and content distribution software from http://www.enduradata.com Use invite code: TAKKA and you will get a free license for our Linux friends(I think there are about 10 free licenses available). Shame on me for the plugin :-) Thanks. --A. A. El Haddi On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 09:26 -0500, Mr. MailingLists wrote: > On 9/22/2010 5:01 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > > I've got someone in EU who wants to send me a zip file of his music. It's all .wav, so it's big: 700mb. Do you know of any good file exchange services that are trustworthy, FOSSy, etc.? > > > > > > Olwe > > GM, MN > > > > > Set up a cheap VPS somewhere and transfer there (insert file transfer protocol of your > choice) and download when the tx completes. I personally use reliacloud for this since > they give you ample amount of HDD space for the price. 8c (VM powered on) an hour will > give you give you 100GB of persistent storage and plenty of tx speed (Max I have seen was > ~10MBps). Ingress transfer is free, and egress is 12c a GB. Keep in mind these are > persistent VMs (opposed to EC2) so there is no loss from shutting off a VM (only cheaper > cost ;-) > > This way you also only pay for what you use since you can destroy the VM after you are > done with it and only pay for what you have used (opposed to a flat monthly charge). > > This is also a great way to learn a new OS since they have images for all the latest > contenders. > > ~Mr. M > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- A. A. El Haddi EnduraData Inc http://www.enduradata.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Storage and Data Management, cross platform file replication, data archival, remote pc and server backup, data distribution: Linux, Windows, Mac, Solaris,.. From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Sep 23 11:20:42 2010 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:20:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] need old 5.25 and 3.5 floppys In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi - I have 2 unopened boxes of 5.25 (10 count) disks. I have 44 other 5.25 disks that have either programs or data on them. So that's 64 5.25 disks. I probably have 100 3.5 disks too - just need to erase them. :) drop me a line On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Munir Nassar wrote: > you know, those things that we use to use back in my day to move data around. > > I am working on a project and i need a couple hundred of each, i > figure some of you may still have an old stash around. they don't need > to be in working condition but the 5.25 should have sleeves. i sadly > tossed most of mine out in one of my many moves over the years. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rick at real-time.com Thu Sep 23 12:19:01 2010 From: rick at real-time.com (Rick Tanner) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:19:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any good file exchange services? In-Reply-To: References: <125898.65841.qm@web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8AFFD331-AFA6-4AE5-A9C5-B2F53E793867@me.com> <1033689217-1285245386-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2142298402-@bda2118.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4C9B8C05.3020304@real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 9/23/10 8:04 AM, Patrick "Finn" Robins wrote: > I can vouch for the Ubuntu One service. It's good for 2Gb free storage and > you can give people a web interface to upload or download files to you. It > also can be setup to automatically sync with a personal folder on your > computer. Only drawback is that AFAIK the only GUI clients are for Gnome and > KDE. Ubuntu One does support a web interface for file management. Click on the "File" tab after logging in at https://login.ubuntu.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFMm4wE+MScNFyJ3yIRAtPyAJ9xNDtFcVxuOdLSzJONvtAjOXI4OACfRUw+ WKqPkJTEYuzVvzG51cwz/fI= =KAIP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkjones at tcq.net Thu Sep 23 15:32:25 2010 From: jkjones at tcq.net (jkjones at tcq.net) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:32:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RS-232 serial communications Message-ID: I'm trying to debug some old equipment and the serial comm protocols it uses. Years ago I used to have a program which ran on a separate computer in the serial link. The program displayed all the characters coming and going. I don't remember any more than that, but it was probably an MS-DOS program. Is there anything equivalent now, for Linux? Some way to pass /dev/ttyS0 straight through to /dev/ttyS1 and display the incoming and outgoing characters, perhaps? Thanks. Kraig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100923/0c767a0c/attachment.htm From jolexa at jolexa.net Thu Sep 23 16:07:50 2010 From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:07:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RS-232 serial communications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C9BC1A6.9050201@jolexa.net> On 09/23/2010 03:32 PM, jkjones at tcq.net wrote: > I'm trying to debug some old equipment and the serial comm protocols it > uses.? Years ago I used to have a program which ran on a separate > computer in the serial link.? The program displayed all the characters > coming and going.? I don't remember any more than that, but it was > probably an MS-DOS program.? Is there anything equivalent now, for > Linux?? Some way to pass /dev/ttyS0 straight through to /dev/ttyS1 and > display the incoming and outgoing characters, perhaps?? Thanks. > > Kraig There are tons of apps out there for serial access, just google for "serial +linux" or so. This is especially hot in the embedded development. Myself, I use GNU screen to connect to my arm computer with a RS-232->USB converter since none of my computers have serial ports anymore. "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200" I'm sure the same applies for ttyS0. Hope that helps, Jeremy From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Sep 23 16:13:49 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:13:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RS-232 serial communications In-Reply-To: <4C9BC1A6.9050201@jolexa.net> References: <4C9BC1A6.9050201@jolexa.net> Message-ID: Wow, I didn't know you could do that with screen. I'm never using minicom again! Thanks Jeremy. -Erik On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > On 09/23/2010 03:32 PM, jkjones at tcq.net wrote: >> I'm trying to debug some old equipment and the serial comm protocols it >> uses.? Years ago I used to have a program which ran on a separate >> computer in the serial link.? The program displayed all the characters >> coming and going.? I don't remember any more than that, but it was >> probably an MS-DOS program.? Is there anything equivalent now, for >> Linux?? Some way to pass /dev/ttyS0 straight through to /dev/ttyS1 and >> display the incoming and outgoing characters, perhaps?? Thanks. >> >> Kraig > > There are tons of apps out there for serial access, just google for > "serial +linux" or so. This is especially hot in the embedded > development. Myself, I use GNU screen to connect to my arm computer with > a RS-232->USB converter since none of my computers have serial ports > anymore. "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200" I'm sure the same applies for ttyS0. > > Hope that helps, > Jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Thu Sep 23 16:27:36 2010 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:27:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RS-232 serial communications In-Reply-To: References: <4C9BC1A6.9050201@jolexa.net> Message-ID: <4C9BC648.2040405@soul-dev.com> Wow I'll second that! Thanks Jeremy! ~M On 9/23/2010 4:13 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Wow, I didn't know you could do that with screen. I'm never using minicom again! > > Thanks Jeremy. > > -Erik > > On 9/23/2010 4:07 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > There are tons of apps out there for serial access, just google for >> "serial +linux" or so. This is especially hot in the embedded >> development. Myself, I use GNU screen to connect to my arm computer with >> a RS-232->USB converter since none of my computers have serial ports >> anymore. "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200" I'm sure the same applies for ttyS0. >> >> Hope that helps, >> Jeremy From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Sep 23 17:57:51 2010 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:57:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RS-232 serial communications In-Reply-To: <4C9BC648.2040405@soul-dev.com> References: <4C9BC1A6.9050201@jolexa.net> <4C9BC648.2040405@soul-dev.com> Message-ID: <013501cb5b72$c001bd90$400538b0$@com> An alternative is to use ser2net which spawns one or more TCP servers on one a TCP port which will connect you to the serial port with the given serial port settings. This allows you to connect to remote serial ports on a networked machine or just locally using your favorite telnet client. You can also use this with the USB adapters as well. So for example I run 5 TCP server ports with a different "serial port speed" setting for each USB adapter port. 2001:telnet:600:/dev/ttyUSB0:9600 8DATABITS NON 1STOPBIT banner 3001:telnet:600:/dev/ttyUSB1:9600 8DATABITS NON 1STOPBIT banner 2002:telnet:600:/dev/ttyUSB0:19200 8DATABITS NON 1STOPBIT banner 3002:telnet:600:/dev/ttyUSB1:19200 8DATABITS NON 1STOPBIT banner etc. Then I control access to these TCP ports with iptables. For ease on my laptop in dealing with cisco and other networking gear's console ports I set up some symlinks and aliases as follows alias c1='console1 127.0.0.1 2001' alias c2='console2 127.0.0.1 3001' ln -s /usr/bin/telnet /usr/local/bin/console1 ln -s /usr/bin/telnet /usr/local/bin/console2 when I want to open the first console port (USB adapter) I just type "c1" and it shows up as "console1" in the konsole tab title bar. You can obviously get more fancy than this but you get the idea. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mr. MailingLists Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:28 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] RS-232 serial communications Wow I'll second that! Thanks Jeremy! ~M On 9/23/2010 4:13 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Wow, I didn't know you could do that with screen. I'm never using minicom again! > > Thanks Jeremy. > > -Erik > > On 9/23/2010 4:07 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > There are tons of apps out there for serial access, just google for >> "serial +linux" or so. This is especially hot in the embedded >> development. Myself, I use GNU screen to connect to my arm computer with >> a RS-232->USB converter since none of my computers have serial ports >> anymore. "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200" I'm sure the same applies for ttyS0. >> >> Hope that helps, >> Jeremy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kc0iog at gmail.com Thu Sep 23 21:13:10 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:13:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] need old 5.25 and 3.5 floppys In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Munir Nassar wrote: > I am working on a project and i need a couple hundred of each, i > figure some of you may still have an old stash around. they don't need > to be in working condition but the 5.25 should have sleeves. i sadly > tossed most of mine out in one of my many moves over the years. Sorry, I got rid of mine years ago. I was experimenting with building models using a blowtorch and floppy disks, at some point I started feeling dizzy and thought better of inhaling.... whatever floppy disks are made of. floppy disks + blowtorch make for interesting results, just do so in a ventilated area. I wish you better luck with your project. Brian From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Fri Sep 24 09:51:24 2010 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:51:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RS-232 serial communications In-Reply-To: References: <4C9BC1A6.9050201@jolexa.net> Message-ID: i currently run several minicom sessions inside screen, can screen be used in this manner inside screen? On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 16:13, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Wow, I didn't know you could do that with screen. I'm never using minicom > again! > > Thanks Jeremy. > > -Erik > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > > On 09/23/2010 03:32 PM, jkjones at tcq.net wrote: > >> I'm trying to debug some old equipment and the serial comm protocols it > >> uses.? Years ago I used to have a program which ran on a separate > >> computer in the serial link.? The program displayed all the characters > >> coming and going.? I don't remember any more than that, but it was > >> probably an MS-DOS program.? Is there anything equivalent now, for > >> Linux?? Some way to pass /dev/ttyS0 straight through to /dev/ttyS1 and > >> display the incoming and outgoing characters, perhaps?? Thanks. > >> > >> Kraig > > > > There are tons of apps out there for serial access, just google for > > "serial +linux" or so. This is especially hot in the embedded > > development. Myself, I use GNU screen to connect to my arm computer with > > a RS-232->USB converter since none of my computers have serial ports > > anymore. "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200" I'm sure the same applies for > ttyS0. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Jeremy > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100924/5622ab56/attachment.htm From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Sep 24 11:31:15 2010 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:31:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RS-232 serial communications In-Reply-To: References: <4C9BC1A6.9050201@jolexa.net> Message-ID: <4C9CD253.2080708@beer.tclug.org> On 09/24/2010 09:51 AM, greg wm wrote: > i currently run several minicom sessions inside screen, can screen be > used in this manner inside screen? Yep, you can just type (for example) `screen 7 /dev/ttyS1 9600 vt100` and it'll open the connection on screen 7. Also works well in .screenrc: screen 1 /dev/ttyS4 57600 vt100 screen 2 /dev/ttyS5 57600 vt100 screen 3 /dev/ttyS6 57600 vt100 screen 4 /dev/ttyS7 57600 vt100 screen 0 bash - ^ Screen 0 is listed last so that's the one that pops up when I run `screen`. I've known about screen's serial functionality for years, but I did learn about it on this list. PuTTY also support serial communication, FWIW. Unfortunately, I believe this discussion got misdirected from Kraig's original point: he seems to be looking for a utility to bridge two serial ports and sniff the traffic between them. A quick Google indicates that he may be interested in slsnif: http://sourceforge.net/projects/slsnif/ http://linux.die.net/man/1/slsnif (better description) Thanks, Kraig, for the idea; I'm not sure that's ever particularly crossed my mind to even try that. Brings up some fun musings... Jima From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Sep 24 15:34:11 2010 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:34:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] * Tomorrow * Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad at Penguins Unbound Message-ID: <4C9D0B43.2090506@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday September 25th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad At this month's Penguins Unbound Meeting Ethan Galstad, founder and President of Nagion Enterprises, will talk about network, system, and application monitoring using Nagios. The talk will cover how to implement a monitoring solution, the benefits that Nagios provides, and how to extend Nagios's capabilities with hundreds of community addons. Ethan will provide a demo of Nagios Core, Nagios XI, and Nagios Fusion and will be handing out free Nagios t-shirts and demo DVDs. Hope to see you there. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 I was able to connect to this stream with mplayer on Ubuntu 10.04, here is the command I used: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 I have heard that VLC should work, but I couldn't get it to work. We will also be recording the meeting also and should have it available after the meeting. ==>brian. From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Sep 24 15:50:46 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:50:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] * Tomorrow * Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad at Penguins Unbound In-Reply-To: <4C9D0B43.2090506@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <4C9D0B43.2090506@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <8504295D-5FBB-46A9-A33E-8F69F7DB0385@me.com> Many thanks for the recording option! On Sep 24, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Brian wrote: > > This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be > Saturday September 25th at TIES, > 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 > from 10:00am to 12:00pm > (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more > info.) > > Nagios presented by Ethan Galstad > > At this month's Penguins Unbound Meeting Ethan Galstad, founder and > President of Nagion Enterprises, will talk about network, system, and > application monitoring using Nagios. The talk will cover how to > implement a monitoring solution, the benefits that Nagios provides, and > how to extend Nagios's capabilities with hundreds of community addons. > Ethan will provide a demo of Nagios Core, Nagios XI, and Nagios Fusion > and will be handing out free Nagios t-shirts and demo DVDs. > > Hope to see you there. > > *** STREAMING *** > > If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. > > mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 > > I was able to connect to this stream with mplayer on Ubuntu 10.04, here > is the command I used: > > mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 > > I have heard that VLC should work, but I couldn't get it to work. > > We will also be recording the meeting also and should have it available > after the meeting. > > ==>brian. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Fri Sep 24 16:43:07 2010 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:43:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] list meta packages? Message-ID: is there a command to list available meta packages, eg right after adding lubuntu into my sources.list and doing apt-get update? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100924/1c3e694d/attachment.htm From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Fri Sep 24 16:59:23 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:59:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] list meta packages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not to my knowledge. You may be able to concoct something using the Size field though, like "if Size < 10000, assume it's a metapackage"? - Tony From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Sep 25 14:47:54 2010 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:47:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard-drive replacement question Message-ID: <20100925194754.GA26692@fireopal.org> I lucked into a couple of bigger hard-drives (as in, larger than any of the disks I've currently got in the system). I don't have enough open drive-bay space to just add them. I can add one at a time. I'd like to move my boot drive to one of the new drives, and then pull the current boot drive, working my way through. I've currently got: hda (~120 MB) hda1 holds / hdb (~500 MB) hdb1 holds /home hdd (~20 MB) hdd1 holds swap hdd2 holds /spool So, I want add what will be hde, make it bootable, copy everything from hda to it (preserving permissions, users, etc.), take out hda & boot from hde (maybe hde now becomes hda?), etc. Anyone have a pointer to a How-To? -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From tompoe at meltel.net Sat Sep 25 15:35:42 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom Poe) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:35:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard-drive replacement question In-Reply-To: <20100925194754.GA26692@fireopal.org> References: <20100925194754.GA26692@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <1285446942.7005.9.camel@linux-7jar.site> Can you make an iso file http://www.computing.net/answers/linux/iso-image-of-hard-disk/26944.html On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 14:47 -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > I lucked into a couple of bigger hard-drives (as in, larger than any > of the disks I've currently got in the system). I don't have enough > open drive-bay space to just add them. I can add one at a time. I'd > like to move my boot drive to one of the new drives, and then pull the > current boot drive, working my way through. I've currently got: > > hda (~120 MB) > hda1 holds / > hdb (~500 MB) > hdb1 holds /home > hdd (~20 MB) > hdd1 holds swap > hdd2 holds /spool > > So, I want add what will be hde, make it bootable, copy everything > from hda to it (preserving permissions, users, etc.), take out hda & > boot from hde (maybe hde now becomes hda?), etc. > > Anyone have a pointer to a How-To? > From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Sep 25 17:54:54 2010 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:54:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard-drive replacement question In-Reply-To: <20100925194754.GA26692@fireopal.org> References: <20100925194754.GA26692@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <4C9E7DBE.20705@mtu.net> On 09/25/2010 02:47 PM, Scott Raun wrote: > I lucked into a couple of bigger hard-drives (as in, larger than any > of the disks I've currently got in the system). I don't have enough > open drive-bay space to just add them. I can add one at a time. I'd > like to move my boot drive to one of the new drives, and then pull the > current boot drive, working my way through. I've currently got: > > hda (~120 MB) > hda1 holds / > hdb (~500 MB) > hdb1 holds /home > hdd (~20 MB) > hdd1 holds swap > hdd2 holds /spool > > So, I want add what will be hde, make it bootable, copy everything > from hda to it (preserving permissions, users, etc.), take out hda & > boot from hde (maybe hde now becomes hda?), etc. > > Anyone have a pointer to a How-To? > > Pretty much just copy data and then setup grub. for each partition: mkdir /new/partition cd /partition find . -print0 | cpio -0pmd /new/partition # if you have acls on your filesystem you'll want to use pax instead of cpio, I can get you that commandline too done grub grub> device(hd0) /dev/hde grub> root(hd0,0) # if boot is first partition on drive hde grub> setup(hd0) grub> quit shutdown pull other drives and make sure hde is now first drive to BIOS From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Sep 25 18:56:03 2010 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:56:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard-drive replacement question In-Reply-To: <4C9E7DBE.20705@mtu.net> References: <20100925194754.GA26692@fireopal.org> <4C9E7DBE.20705@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20100925235603.GB30674@fireopal.org> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 05:54:54PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > On 09/25/2010 02:47 PM, Scott Raun wrote: > > I lucked into a couple of bigger hard-drives (as in, larger than any > > of the disks I've currently got in the system). I don't have enough > > open drive-bay space to just add them. I can add one at a time. I'd > > like to move my boot drive to one of the new drives, and then pull the > > current boot drive, working my way through. I've currently got: > > > > hda (~120 MB) > > hda1 holds / > > hdb (~500 MB) > > hdb1 holds /home > > hdd (~20 MB) > > hdd1 holds swap > > hdd2 holds /spool > > > > So, I want add what will be hde, make it bootable, copy everything > > from hda to it (preserving permissions, users, etc.), take out hda & > > boot from hde (maybe hde now becomes hda?), etc. > > > > Anyone have a pointer to a How-To? > > > > > Pretty much just copy data and then setup grub. > for each partition: > mkdir /new/partition > cd /partition > find . -print0 | cpio -0pmd /new/partition # if you have acls on your > filesystem you'll want to use pax instead of cpio, I can get you that > commandline too I don't have anything beyond basic rwxrwxrwx permissions, but I do have those. It doesn't look like cpio will preserve them? I haven't had to deal with this on a Linux box before - will I need to deal with any open files issues? Per ps -ae, I've got the following processes running at the moment: acpid dovecot init kthreadd rpc.mountd afpd dovecot-auth kacpid lockd rpc.statd aio/0 emacs kacpi_notify mailmanctl rsyslogd apache2 events/0 kblockd/0 migration/0 smbd ata/0 exim4 kgameportd mutt sort ata_aux famd khelper nfsd sshd atalkd getty khubd nfsd4 su bash hald kjournald nmbd udevd CMD hald-addon-acpi kondemand/0 papd uniq column hald-addon-inpu kpsmoused pdflush watchdog/0 cron hald-addon-stor kseriod portmap winbindd cupsd hald-runner ksoftirqd/0 ps cut imap-login ksuspend_usbd python dbus-daemon inetd kswapd0 rpciod/0 Some I know I don't have to worry about - emacs, sort, uniq, ps, cut, and column are all due to this e-mail message. I should be able to get rid of most of the k* processes by changing to a lower run-level - I never use X on this box anyway. The rest? I know I can manually shut a bunch of them down (apache2, the imap stuff, probably cups, exim, samba). > done > grub > grub> device(hd0) /dev/hde > grub> root(hd0,0) # if boot is first partition on drive hde > grub> setup(hd0) > grub> quit > shutdown > pull other drives and make sure hde is now first drive to BIOS -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From sfertch at gmail.com Sat Sep 25 18:54:02 2010 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:54:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard-drive replacement question In-Reply-To: <20100925235603.GB30674@fireopal.org> References: <20100925194754.GA26692@fireopal.org> <4C9E7DBE.20705@mtu.net> <20100925235603.GB30674@fireopal.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:56, Scott Raun wrote: > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 05:54:54PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > > On 09/25/2010 02:47 PM, Scott Raun wrote: > > > I lucked into a couple of bigger hard-drives (as in, larger than any > > > of the disks I've currently got in the system). I don't have enough > > > open drive-bay space to just add them. I can add one at a time. I'd > > > like to move my boot drive to one of the new drives, and then pull the > > > current boot drive, working my way through. I've currently got: > > > > > > hda (~120 MB) > > > hda1 holds / > > > hdb (~500 MB) > > > hdb1 holds /home > > > hdd (~20 MB) > > > hdd1 holds swap > > > hdd2 holds /spool > > > > > > So, I want add what will be hde, make it bootable, copy everything > > > from hda to it (preserving permissions, users, etc.), take out hda & > > > boot from hde (maybe hde now becomes hda?), etc. > > > > > > Anyone have a pointer to a How-To? > > > > > > > > Pretty much just copy data and then setup grub. > > for each partition: > > mkdir /new/partition > > cd /partition > > find . -print0 | cpio -0pmd /new/partition # if you have acls on your > > filesystem you'll want to use pax instead of cpio, I can get you that > > commandline too > > I don't have anything beyond basic rwxrwxrwx permissions, but I do > have those. It doesn't look like cpio will preserve them? > > I haven't had to deal with this on a Linux box before - will I need to > deal with any open files issues? Per ps -ae, I've got the following > processes running at the moment: > > acpid dovecot init kthreadd rpc.mountd > afpd dovecot-auth kacpid lockd rpc.statd > aio/0 emacs kacpi_notify mailmanctl rsyslogd > apache2 events/0 kblockd/0 migration/0 smbd > ata/0 exim4 kgameportd mutt sort > ata_aux famd khelper nfsd sshd > atalkd getty khubd nfsd4 su > bash hald kjournald nmbd udevd > CMD hald-addon-acpi kondemand/0 papd uniq > column hald-addon-inpu kpsmoused pdflush watchdog/0 > cron hald-addon-stor kseriod portmap winbindd > cupsd hald-runner ksoftirqd/0 ps > cut imap-login ksuspend_usbd python > dbus-daemon inetd kswapd0 rpciod/0 > > Some I know I don't have to worry about - emacs, sort, uniq, ps, cut, > and column are all due to this e-mail message. I should be able to get > rid of most of the k* processes by changing to a lower run-level - I > never use X on this box anyway. The rest? I know I can manually shut a > bunch of them down (apache2, the imap stuff, probably cups, exim, > samba). > > > done > > grub > > grub> device(hd0) /dev/hde > > grub> root(hd0,0) # if boot is first partition on drive hde > > grub> setup(hd0) > > grub> quit > > shutdown > > pull other drives and make sure hde is now first drive to BIOS > Boot from a live cd such as slax or ubuntu, then create your partitions and rsync the data. This should preserve your permissions, ownership, etc. -- -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100925/9fb8cc80/attachment.htm From nesius at gmail.com Sat Sep 25 19:07:03 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:07:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard-drive replacement question In-Reply-To: References: <20100925194754.GA26692@fireopal.org> <4C9E7DBE.20705@mtu.net> <20100925235603.GB30674@fireopal.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:56, Scott Raun wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 05:54:54PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: >> > On 09/25/2010 02:47 PM, Scott Raun wrote: >> > > I lucked into a couple of bigger hard-drives (as in, larger than any >> > > of the disks I've currently got in the system). I don't have enough >> > > open drive-bay space to just add them. I can add one at a time. I'd >> > > like to move my boot drive to one of the new drives, and then pull the >> > > current boot drive, working my way through. I've currently got: >> > > >> > > hda (~120 MB) >> > > hda1 holds / >> > > hdb (~500 MB) >> > > hdb1 holds /home >> > > hdd (~20 MB) >> > > hdd1 holds swap >> > > hdd2 holds /spool >> > > >> > > So, I want add what will be hde, make it bootable, copy everything >> > > from hda to it (preserving permissions, users, etc.), take out hda & >> > > boot from hde (maybe hde now becomes hda?), etc. >> > > >> > > Anyone have a pointer to a How-To? >> > > >> > > >> > Pretty much just copy data and then setup grub. >> > for each partition: >> > mkdir /new/partition >> > cd /partition >> > find . -print0 | cpio -0pmd /new/partition # if you have acls on your >> > filesystem you'll want to use pax instead of cpio, I can get you that >> > commandline too >> >> I don't have anything beyond basic rwxrwxrwx permissions, but I do >> have those. It doesn't look like cpio will preserve them? >> >> I haven't had to deal with this on a Linux box before - will I need to >> deal with any open files issues? Per ps -ae, I've got the following >> processes running at the moment: >> >> acpid dovecot init kthreadd rpc.mountd >> afpd dovecot-auth kacpid lockd rpc.statd >> aio/0 emacs kacpi_notify mailmanctl rsyslogd >> apache2 events/0 kblockd/0 migration/0 smbd >> ata/0 exim4 kgameportd mutt sort >> ata_aux famd khelper nfsd sshd >> atalkd getty khubd nfsd4 su >> bash hald kjournald nmbd udevd >> CMD hald-addon-acpi kondemand/0 papd uniq >> column hald-addon-inpu kpsmoused pdflush watchdog/0 >> cron hald-addon-stor kseriod portmap winbindd >> cupsd hald-runner ksoftirqd/0 ps >> cut imap-login ksuspend_usbd python >> dbus-daemon inetd kswapd0 rpciod/0 >> >> Some I know I don't have to worry about - emacs, sort, uniq, ps, cut, >> and column are all due to this e-mail message. I should be able to get >> rid of most of the k* processes by changing to a lower run-level - I >> never use X on this box anyway. The rest? I know I can manually shut a >> bunch of them down (apache2, the imap stuff, probably cups, exim, >> samba). >> >> > done >> > grub >> > grub> device(hd0) /dev/hde >> > grub> root(hd0,0) # if boot is first partition on drive hde >> > grub> setup(hd0) >> > grub> quit >> > shutdown >> > pull other drives and make sure hde is now first drive to BIOS >> > > Boot from a live cd such as slax or ubuntu, then create your partitions and > rsync the data. This should preserve your permissions, ownership, etc. > > On the live-cd theme, why not use clonezilla to copy your boot drive, and then possibly use the fsutils live cd to expand the partition on a bigger drive and then replace your /dev/hda - boot off of it and rsync the data over from your other smaller drives. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100925/173d1a3a/attachment-0001.htm From strayf at freeshell.org Sat Sep 25 19:16:04 2010 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:16:04 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard-drive replacement question In-Reply-To: <20100925235603.GB30674@fireopal.org> References: <20100925194754.GA26692@fireopal.org> <4C9E7DBE.20705@mtu.net> <20100925235603.GB30674@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <4C9E90C4.4050206@freeshell.org> Scott Raun wrote: > [...] > > I don't have anything beyond basic rwxrwxrwx permissions, but I do > have those. It doesn't look like cpio will preserve them? > > I haven't had to deal with this on a Linux box before - will I need to > deal with any open files issues? Per ps -ae, I've got the following > processes running at the moment: > > acpid dovecot init kthreadd rpc.mountd > afpd dovecot-auth kacpid lockd rpc.statd > aio/0 emacs kacpi_notify mailmanctl rsyslogd > apache2 events/0 kblockd/0 migration/0 smbd > ata/0 exim4 kgameportd mutt sort > ata_aux famd khelper nfsd sshd > atalkd getty khubd nfsd4 su > bash hald kjournald nmbd udevd > CMD hald-addon-acpi kondemand/0 papd uniq > column hald-addon-inpu kpsmoused pdflush watchdog/0 > cron hald-addon-stor kseriod portmap winbindd > cupsd hald-runner ksoftirqd/0 ps > cut imap-login ksuspend_usbd python > dbus-daemon inetd kswapd0 rpciod/0 > > Some I know I don't have to worry about - emacs, sort, uniq, ps, cut, > and column are all due to this e-mail message. I should be able to get > rid of most of the k* processes by changing to a lower run-level - I > never use X on this box anyway. The rest? I know I can manually shut a > bunch of them down (apache2, the imap stuff, probably cups, exim, > samba). You shouldn't need to worry much about open files, however you don't want to copy over all the stuff in /proc, /sys, /dev, or any mounted tmpfs filesystems (on my machine that includes /var/run and /var/lock). Just make sure that there are empty directories there to serve as mount points for proc, sysfs, udev, etc. -Steve From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Sep 25 19:35:44 2010 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:35:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard-drive replacement question In-Reply-To: <20100925235603.GB30674@fireopal.org> References: <20100925194754.GA26692@fireopal.org> <4C9E7DBE.20705@mtu.net> <20100925235603.GB30674@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <4C9E9560.6000702@mtu.net> On 09/25/2010 06:56 PM, Scott Raun wrote: > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 05:54:54PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > >> On 09/25/2010 02:47 PM, Scott Raun wrote: >> >>> I lucked into a couple of bigger hard-drives (as in, larger than any >>> of the disks I've currently got in the system). I don't have enough >>> open drive-bay space to just add them. I can add one at a time. I'd >>> like to move my boot drive to one of the new drives, and then pull the >>> current boot drive, working my way through. I've currently got: >>> >>> hda (~120 MB) >>> hda1 holds / >>> hdb (~500 MB) >>> hdb1 holds /home >>> hdd (~20 MB) >>> hdd1 holds swap >>> hdd2 holds /spool >>> >>> So, I want add what will be hde, make it bootable, copy everything >>> from hda to it (preserving permissions, users, etc.), take out hda & >>> boot from hde (maybe hde now becomes hda?), etc. >>> >>> Anyone have a pointer to a How-To? >>> >>> >>> >> Pretty much just copy data and then setup grub. >> for each partition: >> mkdir /new/partition >> cd /partition >> find . -print0 | cpio -0pmd /new/partition # if you have acls on your >> filesystem you'll want to use pax instead of cpio, I can get you that >> commandline too >> > I don't have anything beyond basic rwxrwxrwx permissions, but I do > have those. It doesn't look like cpio will preserve them? > cpio will preserve them just fine and the -0 is there to handle spaces and stuff like that in filenames. You should probably add -xdev before -print0 to the find command to keep from crossing filesystems. > I haven't had to deal with this on a Linux box before - will I need to > deal with any open files issues? Per ps -ae, I've got the following > processes running at the moment: > > acpid dovecot init kthreadd rpc.mountd > afpd dovecot-auth kacpid lockd rpc.statd > aio/0 emacs kacpi_notify mailmanctl rsyslogd > apache2 events/0 kblockd/0 migration/0 smbd > ata/0 exim4 kgameportd mutt sort > ata_aux famd khelper nfsd sshd > atalkd getty khubd nfsd4 su > bash hald kjournald nmbd udevd > CMD hald-addon-acpi kondemand/0 papd uniq > column hald-addon-inpu kpsmoused pdflush watchdog/0 > cron hald-addon-stor kseriod portmap winbindd > cupsd hald-runner ksoftirqd/0 ps > cut imap-login ksuspend_usbd python > dbus-daemon inetd kswapd0 rpciod/0 > > Some I know I don't have to worry about - emacs, sort, uniq, ps, cut, > and column are all due to this e-mail message. I should be able to get > rid of most of the k* processes by changing to a lower run-level - I > never use X on this box anyway. The rest? I know I can manually shut a > bunch of them down (apache2, the imap stuff, probably cups, exim, > samba). > > If you're not modifying files at the same time, you'll be OK. Otherwise you can use a boot disk to be sure. I'm usually fine if I just log out of my graphical interface and just use the text interface to do the move. From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Sat Sep 25 19:54:14 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:54:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 69, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://clonezilla.org/ The easy way. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100925/e50d0753/attachment.htm From admin at lctn.org Mon Sep 27 09:13:16 2010 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:13:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] script help Message-ID: <4CA0A67C.2010100@lctn.org> I am running a mythtv box and cannot get mythexport to work properly. However, I am able to run ffmpeg manually and transcode to mp4 for my Ipod. I am looking for a script that will launch ffmpeg and process all recordings for the day. All recordings are named in the following format: 1260_20100927050000.mpg (Year, Month, Day, and Time). I would like the script to run against any file created for the current day. The ffmpeg command I use is very simple, (ffmpeg -i 1260_20100927050000.mpg 1260_20100927050000.mp4) -- Raymond Norton Ask me about Toastmasters! http://h2tm.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 14:54:05 2010 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:54:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4CA0A67C.2010100@lctn.org> References: <4CA0A67C.2010100@lctn.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am running a mythtv box and cannot get mythexport to work properly. > However, I am able to run ffmpeg manually and transcode to mp4 for my > Ipod. I am looking for a script that will launch ffmpeg and process all > recordings for the day. All recordings are named in the following > format: 1260_20100927050000.mpg (Year, Month, Day, and Time). I would > like the script to run against any file created for the current day. > The ffmpeg command I use is very simple, ?(ffmpeg -i > 1260_20100927050000.mpg 1260_20100927050000.mp4) I'd just do something simple like this. Create a shell script (named "do-ipod-compress", for instance) that runs your ffmpeg command: (the below code should be close. No guarantees, though...I haven't actually tested it. Also, the below method will just tack on the .mp4 extension. If you want to replace the .mpg extension, you'll need to do a bit more munging) #!/bin/bash ffmpeg -i $1 $1.mp4 Then from cron (or manually), you can run: find /path/to/files -mtime 24 -type f -name "*.mpg" | xargs do-ipod-compress That will list all .mpg files in the path that have been modified (or created) in the past 24 hours, and will pass each list item in turn to the compress script. From cwgriesel at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 15:30:02 2010 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:30:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any use for Dell PowerEdge servers? Message-ID: I may have 14 used Dell PowerEdge 1850 servers available for use, with the stipulation that they be used for some charitable or not-for-profit endeavor. 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Tom From jglouisjr at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 15:51:27 2010 From: jglouisjr at gmail.com (James Louis) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:51:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any use for Dell PowerEdge servers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I could use a couple of them On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Curtis Griesel wrote: > I may have 14 used Dell PowerEdge 1850 servers available for use, with the > stipulation that they be used for some charitable or not-for-profit > endeavor. Anyone have any ideas for how to use them? Let me know -- I'll > consider whatever proposals I get. > > Thanks, > Curtis > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- ?Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn?t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.? ? Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100927/b36ea2d7/attachment.htm From 13.finn at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 16:34:17 2010 From: 13.finn at gmail.com (Patrick "Finn" Robins) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:34:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] RE Any use for Dell PowerEdge servers? Message-ID: If you are giving them to civilian homes I'ld take one or two off your hands. Patrick J. Robins -- Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E09E@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> References: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E09E@erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1285624843.2267.0.camel@scott-desktop> I could also use them here for web and mail servers if there are any extras. On Mon, 2010-09-27 at 16:49 -0500, Scott Downing wrote: > I work for a non-profit and could use one or two in my house to use as > testing beds for things I'll eventually do for work. Does that count? > > -Scott > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren.cahlander at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 17:35:57 2010 From: loren.cahlander at gmail.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:35:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any use for Dell PowerEdge servers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am a contributor to the eXist XML database project (http://exist-db.org). I have e friend that has a 2u space that he can make available for me to place a server for the project for some test server(s). I would appreciate two of those servers. Thanks, Loren On Sep 27, 2010, at 03:30 PM, Curtis Griesel wrote: > I may have 14 used Dell PowerEdge 1850 servers available for use, with the stipulation that they be used for some charitable or not-for-profit endeavor. Anyone have any ideas for how to use them? Let me know -- I'll consider whatever proposals I get. > > Thanks, > Curtis > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100927/f10f7f98/attachment.htm From jjensen at apache.org Mon Sep 27 22:24:29 2010 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:24:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any use for Dell PowerEdge servers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cb5ebc$ad28dcb0$077a9610$@org> Wow! I would love one (or two if extra) to help my personal (FOS) work. From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Griesel Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:30 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [tclug-list] Any use for Dell PowerEdge servers? I may have 14 used Dell PowerEdge 1850 servers available for use, with the stipulation that they be used for some charitable or not-for-profit endeavor. Anyone have any ideas for how to use them? Let me know -- I'll consider whatever proposals I get. Thanks, Curtis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100927/a0cc3124/attachment-0001.htm From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Sep 28 15:14:38 2010 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:14:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any use for Dell PowerEdge servers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100928151438.00003095@unknown> Any left unclaimed for? I could use two - personal use only. Josh On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:30:02 -0500 Curtis Griesel wrote: > I may have 14 used Dell PowerEdge 1850 servers available for use, > with the stipulation that they be used for some charitable or > not-for-profit endeavor. Anyone have any ideas for how to use > them? Let me know -- I'll consider whatever proposals I get. > > Thanks, > Curtis > From swaite at sbn-services.com Wed Sep 29 00:33:22 2010 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:33:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any use for Dell PowerEdge servers? Message-ID: <1285738402.4ca2cfa238d97@g3.sbn-services.com> If there is any left, I could certainly use? two of these for home. Sean At Monday, 27-09-2010 on 15:30 Curtis Griesel wrote: I may have 14 used Dell PowerEdge 1850 servers available for use, with the stipulation that they be used for some charitable or not-for-profit endeavor.? Anyone have any ideas for how to use them?? Let me know -- I'll consider whatever proposals I get. Thanks, Curtis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100929/b9d6ea5b/attachment.htm From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Thu Sep 30 00:34:11 2010 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:34:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions Message-ID: <20100930003411.f87fd663.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> I've heard that some hard drives contain hidden partitions that Darik's Boot And Nuke cannot erase. Supposedly, law enforcement requires manufacturers to include the hidden partition so that the criminals cannot erase their tracks. Only law enforcement has the special software needed to access the hidden partition. Is this true? I find this difficult to believe. I don't think this setup would work. I can't imagine how law enforcement could prevent such a tool from falling into the wrong hands, as it would only require one rogue cop to give the software to the criminals. Given this, the criminals would be able to access passwords, credit card information, etc. from all hard drives, even those erased with Darik's Boot And Nuke. Is this just an urban legend? -- Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer (952) 715-7661 embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 03:56:29 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 03:56:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: <20100930003411.f87fd663.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20100930003411.f87fd663.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > I've heard that some hard drives contain hidden partitions that Darik's Boot And Nuke cannot erase. ?Supposedly, law enforcement requires manufacturers to include the hidden partition so that the criminals cannot erase their tracks. ?Only law enforcement has the special software needed to access the hidden partition. > > Is this true? ?I find this difficult to believe. ?I don't think this setup would work. ?I can't imagine how law enforcement could prevent such a tool from falling into the wrong hands, as it would only require one rogue cop to give the software to the criminals. ?Given this, the criminals would be able to access passwords, credit card information, etc. from all hard drives, even those erased with Darik's Boot And Nuke. > > Is this just an urban legend? I call BS. Hidden partitions are used by manufacturers to provide built-in recovery systems, so you can re-install Windows without the CDs, but they're only hidden from Windows - DBAN can see them just fine. - Tony Yarusso From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Sep 30 04:35:12 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 04:35:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: <20100930003411.f87fd663.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Disk drives are surprisingly complex embedded processor subsystems that have error management, track and sector coding, and disagnostics, etc, that are outside "normal" access (and have layered complexities). Drives have not been totally transparent to outside data access for many years. Logical access is all we get, per specs. How the "low ;evel accesses" are done and how much space or control may be feasible differs by manufacturer. Once upon a time, one could get extra performance by using application-specific sectoring, interleave, etc. However, the need for, and impact of, error management (mapping, coding, etc) killed the advanges and feasibility of customized interlacing, etc, as disk capacity grew larger and larger. Hidden stuff exists, but it's unlikely to be significant capacity for criminal uses, and the low-level coding can provide some forensic access for specialists that have manufacturers' support. This is an incredibly boring topic (and likely a non-productive one) to pursue. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason Hsu, embedded > engineer, Linux user > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:34 AM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions > > > I've heard that some hard drives contain hidden partitions that > Darik's Boot And Nuke cannot erase. Supposedly, law enforcement > requires manufacturers to include the hidden partition so that > the criminals cannot erase their tracks. Only law enforcement > has the special software needed to access the hidden partition. > > Is this true? I find this difficult to believe. I don't think > this setup would work. I can't imagine how law enforcement could > prevent such a tool from falling into the wrong hands, as it > would only require one rogue cop to give the software to the > criminals. Given this, the criminals would be able to access > passwords, credit card information, etc. from all hard drives, > even those erased with Darik's Boot And Nuke. > > Is this just an urban legend? > > -- > Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 12:15:36 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:15:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 69, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: dd Convert and copy a file, write disk headers, boot records, create a boot floppy. dd can make an exact clone of an (unmounted) disk, this will include all blank space so the output destination must be at least as large as the input. Syntax dd [*Options*] Key if=*FILE* Input file : Read from FILE instead of standard input. of=*FILE* Output file : Write to FILE instead of standard output. Unless `conv=notrunc' is given, `dd' truncates FILE to zero bytes (or the size specified with `seek='). ibs=*BYTES* Read BYTES bytes at a time. obs=*BYTES* Write BYTES bytes at a time. bs=*BYTES* Block size, both read and write *BYTES* bytes at a time. This overrides `ibs' and `obs'. cbs=*BYTES* Convert BYTES bytes at a time. skip=*BLOCKS* Skip BLOCKS `ibs'-byte blocks in the input file before copying. seek=*BLOCKS* Skip BLOCKS `obs'-byte blocks in the output file before copying. count=*BLOCKS* Copy BLOCKS `ibs'-byte blocks from the input file, instead of everything until the end of the file. conv=*CONVERSION*[,*CONVERSION*]... Convert the file as specified by the CONVERSION argument(s). (No spaces around any comma) Conversions: `ascii' Convert EBCDIC to ASCII. `ebcdic' Convert ASCII to EBCDIC. `ibm' Convert ASCII to alternate EBCDIC. `block' For each line in the input, output `cbs' bytes, replacing the input newline with a space and padding with spaces as necessary. `unblock' Replace trailing spaces in each `cbs'-sized input block with a newline. `lcase' Change uppercase letters to lowercase. `ucase' Change lowercase letters to uppercase. `swab' Swap every pair of input bytes. GNU `dd', unlike others, works when an odd number of bytes are read--the last byte is simply copied (since there is nothing to swap it with). `noerror' Continue after read errors. `notrunc' Do not truncate the output file. `sync' Pad every input block to size of `ibs' with trailing zero bytes. The numeric-valued options (BYTES and BLOCKS) can be followed by a multiplier: `b'=512, `c'=1, `w'=2, `xM'=M, or any of the standard block size suffixes like `k'=1024. *Examples:* Clone one hard drive onto another $ dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb Clone a hard drive to an image file $ dd if=/dev/hda of=/image.img Clone a hard drive to a zipped image file in 100Mb blocks $ dd if=/dev/hda bs=100M | gzip -c > /image.img Create a boot floppy: $ dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1440 *"Success isn't something you chase. It's something you have to put forth the effort for constantly. Then maybe it'll come when you least expect it. Most people don't understand that" - Michael Jordan * *Related*: CodeCoffee.com - dd examples cp - Copy one or more files to another location ddrescue - Data recovery tool install - Copy files and set attributes mtools - Manipulate MS-DOS files sum - Print a checksum for a file Equivalent Windows command: FSUTIL file setzerodata -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20100930/58597021/attachment.htm From kc0iog at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 23:13:12 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 23:13:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: <20100930003411.f87fd663.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20100930003411.f87fd663.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > I've heard that some hard drives contain hidden partitions that Darik's Boot And Nuke cannot erase. ?Supposedly, law enforcement requires manufacturers to include the hidden partition so that the criminals cannot erase their tracks. ?Only law enforcement has the special software needed to access the hidden partition. I found this article on HPA: http://www.utica.edu/academic/institutes/ecii/publications/articles/EFE36584-D13F-2962-67BEB146864A2671.pdf I used to work with a computer forensics tech who was fully trained in the use of Encase (one of the most common forensics toolkits). I now work with drive geeks, who have told me this stuff before. In general conversation with them, I gather the following: There is area on the disk that cannot be read or written by the BIOS or OS, that drive manufacturers reserve. One of the tricks used by drive manufacturers is that they will build a drive (let's say 120GB) and use this area to lower the presented space to 40, 60, 80, 100, or 120GB of useable space. They also do the same with write cache etc. One drive, 6 different markets, six different prices. If you KNEW WHAT YOU WERE DOING, you could read/write data to this area of the disk. You won't accidentally get there, as the manufacturers have done everything they can to keep you out. Because this is a manufacturer region reserved for their stuff, they don't seem thrilled that ANYONE (including law enforcement) wants to hack into that region. Encase couldn't do it a few years back, maybe now it can. It is unlikely that law enforcement would have the tools to read data stuffed into the HPA. Boot and Nuke is going to excercise the regions that the drive manufacturers want you to read/write. As long as you haven't used your 1337 assembly skillz to write data into the HPA, you have little (nothing?) to worry about. Boot and Nuke is going to wipe the same sectors that the BIOS/OS will store your data. Your secrets won't "accidentally" drift into an area of disk that DBAN can't get to. Now, there are some areas that you can't wipe with DBAN. For instance, Symantec Ghost writes a unique signature into a region not included in the partiton table. Run DBAN all you want to, the Symantec Ghost signature remains. Now, this doesn't threaten data, but I would guess that Norton did this back in the day to catch Ghost piracy in action. Once a drive has been imaged with Ghost, someone owes Sir Peter Norton some $$. At least they used to. Several years ago I was reading the LILO man page and quickly got in over my head. A good read if you want to know where things really go on a disk, and how hard it is to get rid of some of them. If you're really concerned about data security, I recommend the mobile industrial shredder at Randy's Sanitation in Delano. 2 hard drives went in, a box of unidentifiable dust came out. One of these days I'll post the video to YouTube. Brian From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Thu Sep 30 10:42:59 2010 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:42:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Dell PowerEdge servers Message-ID: <4CA4B003.1020909@tomobiki.dyndns.org> If you have any left I would like to upgrade an old Dell poweredge 2200 with the 1850. This would be for home use. The current system is running Slackware and does mail, web, dns, nagios, and ssh. Thanks, Joseph Key From jeremy at lizakowski.com Thu Sep 30 09:04:00 2010 From: jeremy at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:04:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <794D7B28-995A-4A95-A8DB-24A8666B8C38@lizakowski.com> Chuck is right, disks are no longer simple nor directly controlled. There is also the issue of incomplete erasures. Even if you could wipe every sector, a slight ghost image remains. That's why many tools offer to rewrite each sector multiple times. But even that assumes it can move over the magnetic media in exactly the same position - physical media will always be impefect. In general, computers are very leaky with information, and full of security holes. When you toss in google, verizon, facebook, and persistent flash cookies, privacy and security become hard to find. It will be interesting to see how society adapts. Jeremy Sent from my iPod. ...because my other device is a BB Storm. On Sep 30, 2010, at 4:35 AM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: > Disk drives are surprisingly complex embedded processor subsystems > that have > error management, track and sector coding, and disagnostics, etc, > that are > outside "normal" access (and have layered complexities). Drives > have not > been totally transparent to outside data access for many years. > Logical > access is all we get, per specs. How the "low ;evel accesses" are > done and > how much space or control may be feasible differs by manufacturer. > Once > upon a time, one could get extra performance by using application- > specific > sectoring, interleave, etc. However, the need for, and impact of, > error > management (mapping, coding, etc) killed the advanges and > feasibility of > customized interlacing, etc, as disk capacity grew larger and larger. > Hidden stuff exists, but it's unlikely to be significant capacity for > criminal uses, and the low-level coding can provide some forensic > access for > specialists that have manufacturers' support. This is an incredibly > boring > topic (and likely a non-productive one) to pursue. > > > Chuck > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason Hsu, >> embedded >> engineer, Linux user >> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:34 AM >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions >> >> >> I've heard that some hard drives contain hidden partitions that >> Darik's Boot And Nuke cannot erase. Supposedly, law enforcement >> requires manufacturers to include the hidden partition so that >> the criminals cannot erase their tracks. Only law enforcement >> has the special software needed to access the hidden partition. >> >> Is this true? I find this difficult to believe. I don't think >> this setup would work. I can't imagine how law enforcement could >> prevent such a tool from falling into the wrong hands, as it >> would only require one rogue cop to give the software to the >> criminals. Given this, the criminals would be able to access >> passwords, credit card information, etc. from all hard drives, >> even those erased with Darik's Boot And Nuke. >> >> Is this just an urban legend? >> >> -- >> Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list