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>   1. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Mike Miller)
>   2. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Robert Nesius)
>   3. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Ryan Coleman)
>   4. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Mr. MailingLists)
>   5. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Chuck Cole)
>   6. Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn (Andy Schmid)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:16:08 -0600 (CST)
> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com <mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
> To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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> On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Mr. MailingLists wrote:
>
> > I have a rather strong aversion towards all social networking sites. I
> > feel that it is a security risk I would rather not ever have to deal
> > with.
>
>
> Dear Mr. Mailinglists:
>
> By using your true name you have made it possible for some crazed killer
> to see you on TCLUG and hunt you down and kill you.  You can never be too
> cautious in this world, which is why I have a massive stockpile of
> extremely dangerous loaded weapons adorning the walls of my home.  I
> suggest that you get a fake name and a lot of guns if you want to be
> secure.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:20:02 -0600
> From: Robert Nesius <nesius at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
> To: Andy Schmid <andyschmid at gmail.com>
> Cc: tclug-list <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID:
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> While the criticisms lobbied at LinkedIn have some merit, I don't think
> they
> qualify as condemnations leading to a conclusion of zero-value-proposition.
> I use it, first and foremost, to stay linked to past colleagues and
> coworkers, and to that end it has been very effective.
>
> Other people have different agendas for using (abusing?) the system, that's
> certainly true.  So your mileage may vary - for me it's been just fine.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Andy Schmid <andyschmid at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It may suck, but if it can help me find a job when I'm out of work ... it
> > is at minimum in the 'useful' category.
> >
> > -Andy
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Justin Kremer <justin.kremer at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Joel Dick <joel_cd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Dare I ask why people don't like Linkedin? Just wondering, as a few
> >> people have recommended that I sign up there, that it's good for job
> >> networking.
> >>
> >> It claims to give you a "network of trust" or some other word for
> >> trustworthy businesspeople you know, but it is mostly just a
> >> popularity contest like Facebook for business people who are too good
> >> for Facebook.  People add contacts that they've never met in person
> >> regularly, defeating any semblance of this network of trust that
> >> Linkedin is supposed to provide.
> >> And when you sign up, it asks you for your e-mail password so that it
> >> can try to spam everyone in your contacts, which would be how that
> >> e-mail got sent to this mailing list.
> >> I know for a fact that I have a whole lot of people in my e-mail
> >> contact list who I would not consider to be someone I trust, not
> >> necessarily because the person is not trustworthy, but because I don't
> >> know them well enough to vouch for them.
> >> - Justin
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:31:03 -0600
> From: Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> I second Rob's statement.
>
> I have Facebook for me. I keep LinkedIn for people here, out there and to
> maintain the connection to family members that are in the same or similar
> industries as mine. And there's no one on there that I don't know or haven't
> met with the minor exception of the occasional TCPHP member that I've been
> "connected" to for a number of years through there.
>
> --
> Ryan
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Robert Nesius wrote:
>
> > While the criticisms lobbied at LinkedIn have some merit, I don't think
> they qualify as condemnations leading to a conclusion of
> zero-value-proposition.  I use it, first and foremost, to stay linked to
> past colleagues and coworkers, and to that end it has been very effective.
> >
> > Other people have different agendas for using (abusing?) the system,
> that's certainly true.  So your mileage may vary - for me it's been just
> fine.
> >
> > -Rob
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:54:18 -0600
> From: "Mr. MailingLists" <mailinglists at soul-dev.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <4B4F685A.407 at soul-dev.com>
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> On 1/14/2010 12:16 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Mr. MailingLists wrote:
> >
> >> I have a rather strong aversion towards all social networking sites. I
> >> feel that it is a security risk I would rather not ever have to deal
> >> with.
> >
> >
> > Dear Mr. Mailinglists:
> >
> > By using your true name you have made it possible for some crazed killer
> > to see you on TCLUG and hunt you down and kill you.  You can never be too
> > cautious in this world, which is why I have a massive stockpile of
> > extremely dangerous loaded weapons adorning the walls of my home.  I
> > suggest that you get a fake name and a lot of guns if you want to be
> > secure.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> That only would secure me physically whilst I was home. Whats stopping
> someone from killing me if I left the house? Walking the dog? At work?
> There are trade offs and insecurity in life, I do accept that.
>
> The internet can be a scary place, in fact it is. I like to control what
> information about me is on the internet/someone else's system, where it
> could be compromised. Information stored on such social networking sites
> can be of a personal nature (as far as linkedin resumes, contacts,
> etc..) and I sure don't want Jonnie China to somehow through a
> compromised account, or XSS, or password brute, or, or, or....
>
> I'm sure it would be rather funny to have your potential employer come
> across your compimised linkedin account and see "LOLDONGS" posted all
> over it.
>
> Granted the likeliness is extremely small, but there is a chance. Same
> goes for Facebook (privacy settings may change at any given time >> EULA).
>
> I still love me some good internet/Linux, I just choose to avoid social
> networking, security is a bit of a passion of mine.
>
> BTW, anyone sec folks going to DEFCON 18 this year?
>
>
> --
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:04:49 -0600
> From: "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
> To: "Andy Schmid" <andyschmid at gmail.com>,       "Justin Kremer"
>        <justin.kremer at gmail.com>
> Cc: tclug-list <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLAEFIDAAA.cncole at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Better to use a real job-seeking function like Indeed.com that won't spam
> everybody and invite makware attacks on your system.  My
> ISP frequently stops bad trojans and malware from the social cesspools
> (Linkedin, Facebook, Twitter) and notifies me of their
> attempt.  This dominant aspect of Linkedin (et al) is NOT "useful" to me!
>
> Indeed is like Google for jobs.  Nothing else is as good or better.
>  Finding a job listing it doesn't have is difficult.  Their
> search feature is better than others, and one syntax searches all listing,
> allowing interesting ones to be saved for follow-up.
>
> Linkedin is not first and foremost a job seeking function.  When a Linkedin
> job is listed on Indeed, one can go to the company site
> and not use Linkedin at all.
>
> Chuck
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Schmid
>  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:56 AM
>  To: Justin Kremer
>  Cc: tclug-list
>  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
>
>
>  It may suck, but if it can help me find a job when I'm out of work ... it
> is at minimum in the 'useful' category.
>
>  -Andy
>
>
>  On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Justin Kremer <justin.kremer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>    On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Joel Dick <joel_cd at yahoo.com> wrote:
>    > Dare I ask why people don't like Linkedin? Just wondering, as a few
> people have recommended that I sign up there, that it's
> good for job networking.
>
>
>    It claims to give you a "network of trust" or some other word for
>    trustworthy businesspeople you know, but it is mostly just a
>    popularity contest like Facebook for business people who are too good
>    for Facebook.  People add contacts that they've never met in person
>    regularly, defeating any semblance of this network of trust that
>    Linkedin is supposed to provide.
>    And when you sign up, it asks you for your e-mail password so that it
>    can try to spam everyone in your contacts, which would be how that
>    e-mail got sent to this mailing list.
>    I know for a fact that I have a whole lot of people in my e-mail
>    contact list who I would not consider to be someone I trust, not
>    necessarily because the person is not trustworthy, but because I don't
>    know them well enough to vouch for them.
>    - Justin
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:27:31 -0600
> From: Andy Schmid <andyschmid at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
> To: Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net>
> Cc: tclug-list <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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> I've never heard of Indeed, thanks for the tip.  I have not had the same
> poor experience with linkedin.  I have been contacted by recruiters from
> some pretty big companies who found me via linkedin through my listed
> experience and contacts.  It may not work for everyone, but it has worked
> for me.
>
> I hardly ever get spam from linkedin (aside from job inquiries, which is
> the
> whole point of it IMO), and linkedin will not spam your friends unless you
> tell it to.  I also have not run into any trojans or viruses from the site.
>
> I don't see much difference from putting up your resume on a website like
> monster.com, and putting it up on linkedin.  To say LinkedIn is not a job
> seeking utility is a bit off the radar.
>
> -Andy
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >  Better to use a real job-seeking function like Indeed.com that won't
> spam
> > everybody and invite makware attacks on your system.  My ISP frequently
> > stops bad trojans and malware from the social cesspools (Linkedin,
> Facebook,
> > Twitter) and notifies me of their attempt.  This dominant aspect of
> Linkedin
> > (et al) is NOT "useful" to me!
> >
> > Indeed is like Google for jobs.  Nothing else is as good or better.
> > Finding a job listing it doesn't have is difficult.  Their search feature
> is
> > better than others, and one syntax searches all listing, allowing
> > interesting ones to be saved for follow-up.
> >
> > Linkedin is not first and foremost a job seeking function.  When a
> Linkedin
> > job is listed on Indeed, one can go to the company site and not use
> Linkedin
> > at all.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
> > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]*On Behalf Of *Andy Schmid
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:56 AM
> > *To:* Justin Kremer
> > *Cc:* tclug-list
> > *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
> >
> > It may suck, but if it can help me find a job when I'm out of work ... it
> > is at minimum in the 'useful' category.
> >
> > -Andy
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Justin Kremer <justin.kremer at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Joel Dick <joel_cd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Dare I ask why people don't like Linkedin? Just wondering, as a few
> >> people have recommended that I sign up there, that it's good for job
> >> networking.
> >>
> >> It claims to give you a "network of trust" or some other word for
> >> trustworthy businesspeople you know, but it is mostly just a
> >> popularity contest like Facebook for business people who are too good
> >> for Facebook.  People add contacts that they've never met in person
> >> regularly, defeating any semblance of this network of trust that
> >> Linkedin is supposed to provide.
> >> And when you sign up, it asks you for your e-mail password so that it
> >> can try to spam everyone in your contacts, which would be how that
> >> e-mail got sent to this mailing list.
> >> I know for a fact that I have a whole lot of people in my e-mail
> >> contact list who I would not consider to be someone I trust, not
> >> necessarily because the person is not trustworthy, but because I don't
> >> know them well enough to vouch for them.
> >> - Justin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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