From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Dec 2 00:03:44 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 00:03:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] sort +.9 Message-ID: how do you tell sort to ignore the first x characters of each line and start the key at character x+1? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101202/1bf3ea1e/attachment.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 01:43:40 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 01:43:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] sort +.9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, gregwm wrote: > how do you tell sort to ignore the first x characters of each line and > start the key at character x+1? I don't think it can do that. It want's a delimiter and keys. If you can think of a character that doesn't occur in the file, you might insert it after x characters, use it as a delimiter, sort by the second field and then remove the character from the output. Well, that's what I'd do. I can tell you how if you can tell me a character to use. I'd use tab if the file contains no tabs. Something like this (for x = 9) will often work: perl -pe 's/^(.{9})/$1\t/' infile | sort -t'\t' -k2,2 | perl -pe 's/^(.{9})\t/$1/' Wait, here's a better idea: Move the first x characters from the beginning of the line to the end, sort, then move them back to the beginning: perl -pe 's/^(.{9})(.*)$/$2\t$1/' infile | sort | perl -pe 's/^(.*)\t(.{9})$/$2$1/' You don't really need that tab in there but it somehow makes me feel better. These methods require that every line has at least x characters (x=9 in my example code). Mike From random at argle.org Thu Dec 2 10:20:47 2010 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:20:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] sort +.9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CF7C75F.8060103@argle.org> On 12/02/2010 12:03 AM, gregwm wrote: > how do you tell sort to ignore the first x characters of each line and > start the key at character x+1? > That would be "sort -t'*' -k 1.9" if I understand it correctly. Replace '*' with something else if it might appear in the characters to be skipped. -- Dan From josh at tcbug.org Thu Dec 2 11:40:55 2010 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:40:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] sort +.9 In-Reply-To: <4CF7C75F.8060103@argle.org> References: <4CF7C75F.8060103@argle.org> Message-ID: <201012021141.01247.josh@tcbug.org> On Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:20:47 am Daniel Taylor wrote: > On 12/02/2010 12:03 AM, gregwm wrote: > > how do you tell sort to ignore the first x characters of each line and > > start the key at character x+1? > > That would be "sort -t'*' -k 1.9" if I understand it correctly. > > Replace '*' with something else if it might appear in the characters to > be skipped. -t isn't needed in this case. sort -k 1.x, where x is the character position you want to sort on, counting from 1. You might want to check how it behaves if you have lines starting with whitespace, that's the edge case that might blow it up. 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Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101202/b9bc4221/attachment.pgp From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 11:55:58 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:55:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] sort +.9 In-Reply-To: <201012021141.01247.josh@tcbug.org> References: <4CF7C75F.8060103@argle.org> <201012021141.01247.josh@tcbug.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:20:47 am Daniel Taylor wrote: >> On 12/02/2010 12:03 AM, gregwm wrote: >>> how do you tell sort to ignore the first x characters of each line and >>> start the key at character x+1? >> >> That would be "sort -t'*' -k 1.9" if I understand it correctly. >> >> Replace '*' with something else if it might appear in the characters to >> be skipped. > > -t isn't needed in this case. sort -k 1.x, where x is the character > position you want to sort on, counting from 1. Right. I should have looked at "info sort" instead of "man sort" because the use of "." gets a lot more attention there. I forgot all about it. > You might want to check how it behaves if you have lines starting with > whitespace, that's the edge case that might blow it up. Another edge case > would be if you sort on character 4 and have a 3 character word followed by a > space. Not sure how it would react to that. I think sort -k1.x handles everything pretty well. Good to know. When there are initial spaces, it treats them as characters in the first field. When lines are shorter than x characters, they get sorted first (so "nothing" sorts before other characters). Spaces are handled like other characters. In short, it seems to do exactly what was requested. Mike From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Dec 2 12:42:40 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:42:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] sort +.9 In-Reply-To: <201012021141.01247.josh@tcbug.org> References: <4CF7C75F.8060103@argle.org> <201012021141.01247.josh@tcbug.org> Message-ID: > > sort -k 1.x > aha. i was confused by tabs. needed "expand". thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101202/f2c0e15c/attachment.htm From brad+tclug at mifflinet.net Thu Dec 2 19:55:10 2010 From: brad+tclug at mifflinet.net (Brad) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 19:55:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] mv into --bind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101203015509.GA5865@miranda.wlan.mifflinet.net> you can use "stat -c %d FILENAME" -- compare for both files. i just tested and it works for me showing the real device under a bind mount. On Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 10:22:13AM -0600, gregwm wrote: > can anyone show me a bash test to put before mv that will tell whether mv > will do a simple rename or a copy and delete? for example for mv into a > --bind mount, df reports both locations as within the same fs, yet mv will > copy and delete. the best test I can think of would create a file, mv and > see what happens. can anyone concoct an accurate test that doesn't need to > create a test file? (or perhaps reveal an mv alternative..) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Dec 2 21:08:41 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 21:08:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] mv into --bind In-Reply-To: <20101203015509.GA5865@miranda.wlan.mifflinet.net> References: <20101203015509.GA5865@miranda.wlan.mifflinet.net> Message-ID: thanks.. but for me that shows the same device inside and outside a --bind, unfortunately that doesn't provide a clue that mv will copy&delete instead of rename. On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 19:55, Brad > wrote: > you can use "stat -c %d FILENAME" -- compare for both files. i just > tested and it works for me showing the real device under a bind mount. > > On Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 10:22:13AM -0600, gregwm wrote: > > can anyone show me a bash test to put before mv that will tell whether mv > > will do a simple rename or a copy and delete? for example for mv into a > > --bind mount, df reports both locations as within the same fs, yet mv > will > > copy and delete. the best test I can think of would create a file, mv > and > > see what happens. can anyone concoct an accurate test that doesn't need > to > > create a test file? (or perhaps reveal an mv alternative..) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101202/dc9f5c75/attachment.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 21:47:08 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 21:47:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] mv into --bind In-Reply-To: <20101203015509.GA5865@miranda.wlan.mifflinet.net> References: <20101203015509.GA5865@miranda.wlan.mifflinet.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Brad wrote: > On Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 10:22:13AM -0600, gregwm wrote: > >> can anyone show me a bash test to put before mv that will tell whether >> mv will do a simple rename or a copy and delete? for example for mv >> into a --bind mount, df reports both locations as within the same fs, >> yet mv will copy and delete. the best test I can think of would create >> a file, mv and see what happens. can anyone concoct an accurate test >> that doesn't need to create a test file? (or perhaps reveal an mv >> alternative..) > > you can use "stat -c %d FILENAME" -- compare for both files. i just > tested and it works for me showing the real device under a bind mount. Suppose you are moving FILENAME to DIR. I think you want to do both: stat -c %d FILENAME stat -c %d DIR/ Note the slash at the end of DIR/. If DIR is a symlink to a mounted device then these will give different answers and you only want the second of the two answers: stat -c %d DIR stat -c %d DIR/ These give the same answer: stat -c %d DIR/ stat -c %d DIR// Thus, you don't have to worry about using ${DIR}/ in a script where ${DIR} might already include a slash at the end. So I think this is the kind of thing you want to do: FILENAME="$1" DIRNAME="$2" if [ $(stat -c %d "$FILENAME") == $(stat -c %d "${DIRNAME}/") ] ; then echo RENAME else echo COPY/DELETE fi Of course you probably want to do something other than echo those words, but you get the idea. If you come up with something useful, I hope you'll share it here. Best, Mike From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Thu Dec 2 22:03:53 2010 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 22:03:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] mv into --bind In-Reply-To: References: <20101203015509.GA5865@miranda.wlan.mifflinet.net> Message-ID: > > >> can anyone show me a bash test to put before mv that will tell whether > >> mv will do a simple rename or a copy and delete? for example for mv > >> into a --bind mount, df reports both locations as within the same fs, > >> yet mv will copy and delete. the best test I can think of would create > >> a file, mv and see what happens. can anyone concoct an accurate test > >> that doesn't need to create a test file? (or perhaps reveal an mv > >> alternative..) > > Suppose you are moving FILENAME to DIR. I think you want to do both: > > stat -c %d FILENAME > stat -c %d DIR/ > > Note the slash at the end of DIR/. If DIR is a symlink to a mounted > device then these will give different answers and you only want the second > of the two answers: > > stat -c %d DIR > stat -c %d DIR/ > ... > So I think this is the kind of thing you want to do: > > FILENAME="$1" > DIRNAME="$2" > > if [ $(stat -c %d "$FILENAME") == $(stat -c %d "${DIRNAME}/") ] ; then > echo RENAME > else > echo COPY/DELETE > fi > thanks.. but for me they all show the same device whether inside or outside a --bind, unfortunately that doesn't provide a clue that mv across the mount boundary will copy&delete instead of rename.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101202/d428b950/attachment.htm From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Tue Dec 7 10:27:56 2010 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:27:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux Message-ID: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. There are now four different editions: 1. Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice 2. Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice 3. Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools 4. Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. -- Jason Hsu Creator of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org/ From tlunde at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 10:43:32 2010 From: tlunde at gmail.com (Thomas Lunde) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:43:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Jason - Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. See this for why: http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another Thomas On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. There are now four different editions: > 1. Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice > 2. Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice > 3. Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools > 4. Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup > > If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. > > If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. > > If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Creator of Swift Linux > http://www.swiftlinux.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Dec 7 10:43:59 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:43:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <1BF31B54-32B4-4390-8396-59B0C663AC6C@me.com> On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. There are now four different editions: > 1. Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice > 2. Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice > 3. Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools > 4. Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup > > If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. > > If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. > > If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. Because THAT is not going to start a flame war. From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Tue Dec 7 11:05:01 2010 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:05:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Taylor Swift Linux is just a special edition of the main distro, Swift Linux. I was inspired by Hannah Montana Linux to create Taylor Swift Linux. For some reason, Hannah Montana Linux is still out there over a year later. On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:43:32 -0600 Thomas Lunde wrote: > Jason - > > Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. > > See this for why: > http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another > > Thomas > -- Jason Hsu Creator of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org/ From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 7 11:09:41 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:09:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > Taylor Swift Linux is just a special edition of the main distro, ... > For some reason, Hannah Montana Linux is still out there Faith in mankind eroding... eroding... eroding... GONE!!! -Yaron -- From johntrammell at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 11:11:27 2010 From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John Trammell) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:11:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Yo dawg, I heard you like Taylor Swift, so I embedded Taylor Swift in your Taylor Swift Linux so you can experience Taylor Swift while you experience Taylor Swift! The logo for Forensic Swift should have Taylor Swift going YYYYYEEEEEAAAAAAAAAA. From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 11:17:36 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:17:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Jason, If you get a cease & desist letter from the Taylor Swift people for this I will buy you a beer. Good on you for having some fun with this. -Erik On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > Taylor Swift Linux is just a special edition of the main distro, Swift Linux. ?I was inspired by Hannah Montana Linux to create Taylor Swift Linux. ?For some reason, Hannah Montana Linux is still out there over a year later. > > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:43:32 -0600 > Thomas Lunde wrote: > >> Jason - >> >> Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. >> >> See this for why: >> http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another >> >> Thomas >> > > -- > Jason Hsu > Creator of Swift Linux > http://www.swiftlinux.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 13:05:06 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:05:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3 Tiny core Linux Message-ID: Or try tiny core Linux at 10MB size and 48 MB of ram. http://www.tinycorelinux.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101207/1721a573/attachment.htm From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Tue Dec 7 13:13:41 2010 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:13:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <20101207131341.6ab7f6ed.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Thanks, but fattening food is my preferred vice. :) I figure that since Hannah Montana Linux is still alive, Taylor Swift Linux should be OK as well. On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:17:36 -0600 Erik Mitchell wrote: > Jason, > If you get a cease & desist letter from the Taylor Swift people for > this I will buy you a beer. > > Good on you for having some fun with this. > > -Erik > -- Jason Hsu Creator of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org/ From nesius at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 13:27:52 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:27:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: <20101207131341.6ab7f6ed.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207131341.6ab7f6ed.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: I'm really happy for you, and I'm gonna let you finish... but Ubuntu is hands down the SWIFTEST distro of ALL TIME and should have won this honorary name!! -Rob (If you don't know the MVA Award show history - you won't get that joke.) On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user < jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote: > Thanks, but fattening food is my preferred vice. :) > > I figure that since Hannah Montana Linux is still alive, Taylor Swift Linux > should be OK as well. > > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:17:36 -0600 > Erik Mitchell wrote: > > > Jason, > > If you get a cease & desist letter from the Taylor Swift people for > > this I will buy you a beer. > > > > Good on you for having some fun with this. > > > > -Erik > > > > > -- > Jason Hsu > Creator of Swift Linux > http://www.swiftlinux.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101207/62ec8899/attachment.htm From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 14:53:01 2010 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:53:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207131341.6ab7f6ed.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Robert Nesius cried from the depths of the abyss... > I'm really happy for you, and I'm gonna let you finish... but Ubuntu is hands down the SWIFTEST distro of ALL TIME and should have won this honorary name!!? Ubunto is just an African word that roughly translates to "Not really smart enough to use Slackware" Thanks for playing though. From johntrammell at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 15:53:08 2010 From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John Trammell) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:53:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207131341.6ab7f6ed.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > Ubunto is just an African word that roughly translates to "Not really smart > enough to use Slackware" http://www.spreadshirt.com/troll-face-C3384A6644117 From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 17:00:47 2010 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 17:00:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207131341.6ab7f6ed.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: John Trammell cried from the depths of the abyss... >> Ubunto is just an African word that roughly translates to "Not really smart >> enough to use Slackware" > > http://www.spreadshirt.com/troll-face-C3384A6644117 Come on! Stating an obvious fact doesn't make me a troll. I do like the shirt! Good Job. From rsinland at gvtel.com Tue Dec 7 17:10:08 2010 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 17:10:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207131341.6ab7f6ed.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <4CFEBED0.3020008@gvtel.com> On 12/07/2010 02:53 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > Robert Nesius cried from the depths of the abyss... > >> I'm really happy for you, and I'm gonna let you finish... but Ubuntu >> is hands down the SWIFTEST distro of ALL TIME and should have won >> this honorary name!! > > Ubunto is just an African word that roughly translates to "Not really > smart enough to use Slackware" > > Thanks for playing though. I have never tried ubuntu, but as an ex-slacker that one gave me a good laugh :) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101207/358ef02d/attachment.htm From rallias at ralliasubernerd.com Tue Dec 7 18:05:59 2010 From: rallias at ralliasubernerd.com (rallias at ralliasubernerd.com) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:05:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Troubles with Apache Message-ID: <1291766759.10564@ralliasubernerd.com> Hi. I'm Andrew Pietila. Recently, I've been trying to figure out my web server. I am trying to set up my web site with sub-domains, such as i.am.ironman.ralliasubernerd.com or forums.ralliasubernerd.com, but it won't handle it correctly. When I told Webmin to add everything to httpd.conf, its just going to the server defined as ralliasubernerd.com. Is this something to do with the fact that all my subdomains cname redirect to the ralliasubernerd.com domain, or is it something more? From drue at therub.org Tue Dec 7 18:25:04 2010 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:25:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Troubles with Apache In-Reply-To: <1291766759.10564@ralliasubernerd.com> References: <1291766759.10564@ralliasubernerd.com> Message-ID: <20101208002504.GA28087@therub.org> On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 06:05:59PM -0600, rallias at ralliasubernerd.com wrote: > Hi. I'm Andrew Pietila. > > Recently, I've been trying to figure out my web server. I am trying to > set up my web site with sub-domains, such as > i.am.ironman.ralliasubernerd.com or forums.ralliasubernerd.com, but it > won't handle it correctly. When I told Webmin to add everything to > httpd.conf, its just going to the server defined as > ralliasubernerd.com. Is this something to do with the fact that all my > subdomains cname redirect to the ralliasubernerd.com domain, or is it > something more? You're looking for "Name Based Virtual Hosts": http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/name-based.html But, I have no idea how to use webmin. Dan From rallias at ralliasubernerd.com Tue Dec 7 19:22:58 2010 From: rallias at ralliasubernerd.com (rallias at ralliasubernerd.com) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:22:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] [SOLVED] Troubles with Apache Message-ID: <1291771378.11122@ralliasubernerd.com> Dan Rue wrote .. > On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 06:05:59PM -0600, rallias at ralliasubernerd.com wrote: > > Hi. I'm Andrew Pietila. > > > > Recently, I've been trying to figure out my web server. I am trying to > > set up my web site with sub-domains, such as > > i.am.ironman.ralliasubernerd.com or forums.ralliasubernerd.com, but it > > won't handle it correctly. When I told Webmin to add everything to > > httpd.conf, its just going to the server defined as > > ralliasubernerd.com. Is this something to do with the fact that all my > > subdomains cname redirect to the ralliasubernerd.com domain, or is it > > something more? > > You're looking for "Name Based Virtual Hosts": > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/name-based.html > > But, I have no idea how to use webmin. > > Dan Thank you VERY much. This helps in so many ways. Goes to show how much I know Apache (or any piece of software for that matter). -- Andrew From nesius at gmail.com Tue Dec 7 21:36:54 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:36:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207110501.07f28fe4.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20101207131341.6ab7f6ed.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > Robert Nesius cried from the depths of the abyss... > > > I'm really happy for you, and I'm gonna let you finish... but Ubuntu is >> hands down the SWIFTEST distro of ALL TIME and should have won this honorary >> name!! >> > > Ubunto is just an African word that roughly translates to "Not really smart > enough to use Slackware" > > Thanks for playing though. > > I can respect that.... not sure you got /my/ joke though? -Rob http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LtSX_6on7g -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101207/e6aaba81/attachment.htm From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 08:29:12 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:29:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as this. They are: - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways to get an OS installed on them. Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I won't accept them back. Email me if you're interested. -Erik On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: > Jason - > > Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. > > See this for why: > http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another > > Thomas > > > > On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > >> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. ?There are now four different editions: >> 1. ?Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >> 2. ?Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >> 3. ?Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >> 4. ?Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >> >> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >> >> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >> >> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >> >> -- >> Jason Hsu >> Creator of Swift Linux >> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 08:42:25 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:42:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Sony is spoken for! On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > The Compaq is spoken for! > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good >> home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as >> this. They are: >> >> - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) >> - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) >> - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) >> >> The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure >> if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways >> to get an OS installed on them. >> >> Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not >> put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I >> won't accept them back. >> >> Email me if you're interested. >> >> -Erik >> >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: >>> Jason - >>> >>> Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. >>> >>> See this for why: >>> http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another >>> >>> Thomas >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: >>> >>>> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. ?There are now four different editions: >>>> 1. ?Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >>>> 2. ?Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >>>> 3. ?Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >>>> 4. ?Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >>>> >>>> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >>>> >>>> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >>>> >>>> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jason Hsu >>>> Creator of Swift Linux >>>> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> erik at ekmitchell.com >> http://ekmitchell.com/ >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 08:41:59 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:41:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: The Compaq is spoken for! On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good > home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as > this. They are: > > - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) > - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) > - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) > > The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure > if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways > to get an OS installed on them. > > Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not > put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I > won't accept them back. > > Email me if you're interested. > > -Erik > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: >> Jason - >> >> Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. >> >> See this for why: >> http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another >> >> Thomas >> >> >> >> On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: >> >>> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. ?There are now four different editions: >>> 1. ?Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >>> 2. ?Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >>> 3. ?Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >>> 4. ?Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >>> >>> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >>> >>> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >>> >>> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >>> >>> -- >>> Jason Hsu >>> Creator of Swift Linux >>> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From eric.schultz at mchsi.com Wed Dec 8 08:47:44 2010 From: eric.schultz at mchsi.com (Eric Schultz) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:47:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2097263832.7049471291819664059.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Hi Erik, I would be interested in the Sony and Apple if possible. I realize that I am being a bit greedy in asking for two of them, however I have 5 children, and they fight constantly for the computer at home. Do you think they would be able to handle Cento's or Fedora or Ubuntu? Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Mitchell" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:29:12 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as this. They are: - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways to get an OS installed on them. Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I won't accept them back. Email me if you're interested. -Erik On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: > Jason - > > Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. > > See this for why: > http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another > > Thomas > > > > On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > >> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. ?There are now four different editions: >> 1. ?Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >> 2. ?Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >> 3. ?Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >> 4. ?Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >> >> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >> >> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >> >> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >> >> -- >> Jason Hsu >> Creator of Swift Linux >> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 09:31:27 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:31:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: <2097263832.7049471291819664059.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> References: <2097263832.7049471291819664059.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Message-ID: Hi Eric, The last one was claimed one minute before your email! I'm sorry! I wish I had an extra one now... If you don't know about it, you might want to check out minitbid.com (http://www.minitbid.com/Auction/xcAuction.asp). They auction off small lots of off-lease laptops (Apples included). This might be a good thing to keep an eye on since you have a small enterprise of your own to support. :) Sorry it didn't work out with my stuff. -Erik On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: > Hi Erik, > > I would be interested in the Sony and Apple if possible. ?I realize that I am being a bit greedy in asking for two of them, however I have 5 children, and they fight constantly for the computer at home. Do you think they would be able to handle Cento's or Fedora or Ubuntu? > > > > Eric > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erik Mitchell" > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:29:12 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux > > I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good > home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as > this. They are: > > - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) > - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) > - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) > > The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure > if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways > to get an OS installed on them. > > Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not > put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I > won't accept them back. > > Email me if you're interested. > > -Erik > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: >> Jason - >> >> Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. >> >> See this for why: >> http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another >> >> Thomas >> >> >> >> On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: >> >>> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. ?There are now four different editions: >>> 1. ?Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >>> 2. ?Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >>> 3. ?Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >>> 4. ?Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >>> >>> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >>> >>> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >>> >>> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >>> >>> -- >>> Jason Hsu >>> Creator of Swift Linux >>> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From eric.schultz at mchsi.com Wed Dec 8 09:43:59 2010 From: eric.schultz at mchsi.com (Eric Schultz) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:43:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <590270300.7063341291823039706.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Thanks Erik, I appreciate the response, and I will keep an eye on the website. Have a good holiday season, Best Wishes, Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Mitchell" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:31:27 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux Hi Eric, The last one was claimed one minute before your email! I'm sorry! I wish I had an extra one now... If you don't know about it, you might want to check out minitbid.com (http://www.minitbid.com/Auction/xcAuction.asp). They auction off small lots of off-lease laptops (Apples included). This might be a good thing to keep an eye on since you have a small enterprise of your own to support. :) Sorry it didn't work out with my stuff. -Erik On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: > Hi Erik, > > I would be interested in the Sony and Apple if possible. ?I realize that I am being a bit greedy in asking for two of them, however I have 5 children, and they fight constantly for the computer at home. Do you think they would be able to handle Cento's or Fedora or Ubuntu? > > > > Eric > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erik Mitchell" > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:29:12 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux > > I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good > home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as > this. They are: > > - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) > - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) > - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) > > The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure > if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways > to get an OS installed on them. > > Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not > put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I > won't accept them back. > > Email me if you're interested. > > -Erik > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: >> Jason - >> >> Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. >> >> See this for why: >> http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another >> >> Thomas >> >> >> >> On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: >> >>> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. ?There are now four different editions: >>> 1. ?Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >>> 2. ?Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >>> 3. ?Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >>> 4. ?Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >>> >>> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >>> >>> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >>> >>> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >>> >>> -- >>> Jason Hsu >>> Creator of Swift Linux >>> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 10:33:50 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:33:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: All, All three are spoken for. Thanks, Erik On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good > home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as > this. They are: > > - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) > - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) > - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) > > The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure > if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways > to get an OS installed on them. > > Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not > put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I > won't accept them back. > > Email me if you're interested. > > -Erik > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: >> Jason - >> >> Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. >> >> See this for why: >> http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another >> >> Thomas >> >> >> >> On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: >> >>> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. ?There are now four different editions: >>> 1. ?Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >>> 2. ?Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >>> 3. ?Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >>> 4. ?Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >>> >>> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >>> >>> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >>> >>> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >>> >>> -- >>> Jason Hsu >>> Creator of Swift Linux >>> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From kc0iog at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 12:55:59 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 12:55:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20101207102756.f98d8b1e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure > if it's software or hardware related. Probably hardware. I have that same Vaio and it seems to have the same issue. Sometimes the DVD drive is just fine, sometimes it fails to read any disc. Yay PXE boot :-) Brian From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 13:55:20 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:55:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3 Tiny core Linux Message-ID: I would think it would make a great batch of virtual servers with IP based virtual hosting. Or a great little custom firewall box. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101208/bccb3005/attachment.htm From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Wed Dec 8 16:23:54 2010 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:23:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: <2097263832.7049471291819664059.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> References: <2097263832.7049471291819664059.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Message-ID: <20101208162354.5a57a7aa.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:47:44 -0600 (CST) Eric Schultz wrote: > Hi Erik, > > I would be interested in the Sony and Apple if possible. I realize that I am being a bit greedy in asking for two of them, however I have 5 children, and they fight constantly for the computer at home. Do you think they would be able to handle Cento's or Fedora or Ubuntu? > Eric, you can get good deals on used desktop computers. I've found that laptop computers depreciate slowly but desktop computers depreciate very quickly. My favorite distros are Swift Linux, antiX Linux, Puppy Linux, and Linux Mint. I have tried both Ubuntu and Mint. and I prefer Mint because it's more user-friendly. In addition to Taylor Swift Linux, there will soon be additional special editions of Swift Linux, such as iCarly Swift Linux and Magnum P.I. Swift Linux. -- Jason Hsu Creator of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org/ From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 17:25:12 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:25:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: <590270300.7063341291823039706.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> References: <590270300.7063341291823039706.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Message-ID: Eric, The iBook is available again. Are you still interested? -Erik On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: > Thanks Erik, > > I appreciate the response, and I will keep an eye on the website. ?Have a good holiday season, > > Best Wishes, > > Eric > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erik Mitchell" > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:31:27 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux > > Hi Eric, > The last one was claimed one minute before your email! I'm sorry! I > wish I had an extra one now... > > If you don't know about it, you might want to check out minitbid.com > (http://www.minitbid.com/Auction/xcAuction.asp). They auction off > small lots of off-lease laptops (Apples included). This might be a > good thing to keep an eye on since you have a small enterprise of your > own to support. :) > > Sorry it didn't work out with my stuff. > > -Erik > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: >> Hi Erik, >> >> I would be interested in the Sony and Apple if possible. ?I realize that I am being a bit greedy in asking for two of them, however I have 5 children, and they fight constantly for the computer at home. Do you think they would be able to handle Cento's or Fedora or Ubuntu? >> >> >> >> Eric >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Erik Mitchell" >> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:29:12 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux >> >> I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good >> home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as >> this. They are: >> >> - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) >> - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) >> - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) >> >> The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure >> if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways >> to get an OS installed on them. >> >> Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not >> put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I >> won't accept them back. >> >> Email me if you're interested. >> >> -Erik >> >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: >>> Jason - >>> >>> Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. >>> >>> See this for why: >>> http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another >>> >>> Thomas >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: >>> >>>> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. ?There are now four different editions: >>>> 1. ?Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >>>> 2. ?Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >>>> 3. ?Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >>>> 4. ?Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >>>> >>>> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >>>> >>>> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >>>> >>>> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jason Hsu >>>> Creator of Swift Linux >>>> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> erik at ekmitchell.com >> http://ekmitchell.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 18:26:21 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:26:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <590270300.7063341291823039706.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Message-ID: Hi everyone, This was only supposed to go to Eric Schultz. I guess I didn't notice that the TCLUG list was set for 'reply-all' (admin, can this be changed?). He's first in line for the iBook... there are a few other people who have expressed interest. So I'm pretty sure it's as good as gone. Sorry for the confusion. Erik On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Eric, > The iBook is available again. Are you still interested? > > -Erik > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: >> Thanks Erik, >> >> I appreciate the response, and I will keep an eye on the website. ?Have a good holiday season, >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Eric >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Erik Mitchell" >> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:31:27 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux >> >> Hi Eric, >> The last one was claimed one minute before your email! I'm sorry! I >> wish I had an extra one now... >> >> If you don't know about it, you might want to check out minitbid.com >> (http://www.minitbid.com/Auction/xcAuction.asp). They auction off >> small lots of off-lease laptops (Apples included). This might be a >> good thing to keep an eye on since you have a small enterprise of your >> own to support. :) >> >> Sorry it didn't work out with my stuff. >> >> -Erik >> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: >>> Hi Erik, >>> >>> I would be interested in the Sony and Apple if possible. ?I realize that I am being a bit greedy in asking for two of them, however I have 5 children, and they fight constantly for the computer at home. Do you think they would be able to handle Cento's or Fedora or Ubuntu? >>> >>> >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Erik Mitchell" >>> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:29:12 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux >>> >>> I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good >>> home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as >>> this. They are: >>> >>> - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) >>> - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) >>> - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) >>> >>> The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure >>> if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways >>> to get an OS installed on them. >>> >>> Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not >>> put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I >>> won't accept them back. >>> >>> Email me if you're interested. >>> >>> -Erik >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: >>>> Jason - >>>> >>>> Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. >>>> >>>> See this for why: >>>> http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another >>>> >>>> Thomas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: >>>> >>>>> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. ?There are now four different editions: >>>>> 1. ?Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >>>>> 2. ?Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >>>>> 3. ?Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >>>>> 4. ?Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >>>>> >>>>> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >>>>> >>>>> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >>>>> >>>>> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jason Hsu >>>>> Creator of Swift Linux >>>>> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>> erik at ekmitchell.com >>> http://ekmitchell.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> erik at ekmitchell.com >> http://ekmitchell.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 18:28:07 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:28:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <590270300.7063341291823039706.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Message-ID: Also, if you're wondering if this is some kind of conspiracy, it is. http://www.catb.org/~esr/ecsl/ ;) Erik On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Hi everyone, > This was only supposed to go to Eric Schultz. I guess I didn't notice > that the TCLUG list was set for 'reply-all' (admin, can this be > changed?). > > He's first in line for the iBook... there are a few other people who > have expressed interest. So I'm pretty sure it's as good as gone. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > Erik > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> Eric, >> The iBook is available again. Are you still interested? >> >> -Erik >> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: >>> Thanks Erik, >>> >>> I appreciate the response, and I will keep an eye on the website. ?Have a good holiday season, >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Erik Mitchell" >>> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:31:27 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux >>> >>> Hi Eric, >>> The last one was claimed one minute before your email! I'm sorry! I >>> wish I had an extra one now... >>> >>> If you don't know about it, you might want to check out minitbid.com >>> (http://www.minitbid.com/Auction/xcAuction.asp). They auction off >>> small lots of off-lease laptops (Apples included). This might be a >>> good thing to keep an eye on since you have a small enterprise of your >>> own to support. :) >>> >>> Sorry it didn't work out with my stuff. >>> >>> -Erik >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: >>>> Hi Erik, >>>> >>>> I would be interested in the Sony and Apple if possible. ?I realize that I am being a bit greedy in asking for two of them, however I have 5 children, and they fight constantly for the computer at home. Do you think they would be able to handle Cento's or Fedora or Ubuntu? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Erik Mitchell" >>>> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:29:12 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux >>>> >>>> I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good >>>> home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as >>>> this. They are: >>>> >>>> - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) >>>> - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) >>>> - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) >>>> >>>> The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure >>>> if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways >>>> to get an OS installed on them. >>>> >>>> Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not >>>> put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I >>>> won't accept them back. >>>> >>>> Email me if you're interested. >>>> >>>> -Erik >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: >>>>> Jason - >>>>> >>>>> Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. >>>>> >>>>> See this for why: >>>>> http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another >>>>> >>>>> Thomas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. ?There are now four different editions: >>>>>> 1. ?Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >>>>>> 2. ?Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >>>>>> 3. ?Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >>>>>> 4. ?Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >>>>>> >>>>>> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jason Hsu >>>>>> Creator of Swift Linux >>>>>> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >>>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>>> erik at ekmitchell.com >>>> http://ekmitchell.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>> erik at ekmitchell.com >>> http://ekmitchell.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> erik at ekmitchell.com >> http://ekmitchell.com/ >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Dec 8 18:36:39 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:36:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: References: <590270300.7063341291823039706.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Message-ID: <3ECB08DD-6CEA-43B7-AB67-F39DC32980CD@me.com> This was changed to this format months ago after many complaints about the other format -- so no, I doubt it can be changed. On Dec 8, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Hi everyone, > This was only supposed to go to Eric Schultz. I guess I didn't notice > that the TCLUG list was set for 'reply-all' (admin, can this be > changed?). > > He's first in line for the iBook... there are a few other people who > have expressed interest. So I'm pretty sure it's as good as gone. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > Erik > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> Eric, >> The iBook is available again. Are you still interested? >> >> -Erik >> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: >>> Thanks Erik, >>> >>> I appreciate the response, and I will keep an eye on the website. Have a good holiday season, >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Erik Mitchell" >>> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:31:27 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux >>> >>> Hi Eric, >>> The last one was claimed one minute before your email! I'm sorry! I >>> wish I had an extra one now... >>> >>> If you don't know about it, you might want to check out minitbid.com >>> (http://www.minitbid.com/Auction/xcAuction.asp). They auction off >>> small lots of off-lease laptops (Apples included). This might be a >>> good thing to keep an eye on since you have a small enterprise of your >>> own to support. :) >>> >>> Sorry it didn't work out with my stuff. >>> >>> -Erik >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: >>>> Hi Erik, >>>> >>>> I would be interested in the Sony and Apple if possible. I realize that I am being a bit greedy in asking for two of them, however I have 5 children, and they fight constantly for the computer at home. Do you think they would be able to handle Cento's or Fedora or Ubuntu? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Erik Mitchell" >>>> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:29:12 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux >>>> >>>> I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good >>>> home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as >>>> this. They are: >>>> >>>> - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) >>>> - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) >>>> - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) >>>> >>>> The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure >>>> if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways >>>> to get an OS installed on them. >>>> >>>> Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not >>>> put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I >>>> won't accept them back. >>>> >>>> Email me if you're interested. >>>> >>>> -Erik >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: >>>>> Jason - >>>>> >>>>> Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. >>>>> >>>>> See this for why: >>>>> http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another >>>>> >>>>> Thomas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. There are now four different editions: >>>>>> 1. Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >>>>>> 2. Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >>>>>> 3. Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >>>>>> 4. Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >>>>>> >>>>>> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jason Hsu >>>>>> Creator of Swift Linux >>>>>> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >>>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>>> erik at ekmitchell.com >>>> http://ekmitchell.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>> erik at ekmitchell.com >>> http://ekmitchell.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> erik at ekmitchell.com >> http://ekmitchell.com/ >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eric.schultz at mchsi.com Wed Dec 8 19:00:25 2010 From: eric.schultz at mchsi.com (Eric Schultz) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:00:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7527283.7178421291856425756.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> yes i am. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Mitchell" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 5:25:12 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux Eric, The iBook is available again. Are you still interested? -Erik On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: > Thanks Erik, > > I appreciate the response, and I will keep an eye on the website. ?Have a good holiday season, > > Best Wishes, > > Eric > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erik Mitchell" > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:31:27 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux > > Hi Eric, > The last one was claimed one minute before your email! I'm sorry! I > wish I had an extra one now... > > If you don't know about it, you might want to check out minitbid.com > (http://www.minitbid.com/Auction/xcAuction.asp). They auction off > small lots of off-lease laptops (Apples included). This might be a > good thing to keep an eye on since you have a small enterprise of your > own to support. :) > > Sorry it didn't work out with my stuff. > > -Erik > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Eric Schultz wrote: >> Hi Erik, >> >> I would be interested in the Sony and Apple if possible. ?I realize that I am being a bit greedy in asking for two of them, however I have 5 children, and they fight constantly for the computer at home. Do you think they would be able to handle Cento's or Fedora or Ubuntu? >> >> >> >> Eric >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Erik Mitchell" >> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:29:12 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Taylor Swift Linux >> >> I have a few older laptops which I'll give away for free to a good >> home -- they'd be good for playing with a lightweight distro such as >> this. They are: >> >> - Sony Vaio PCG-561L (Pentium III, circa 2002) >> - Compaq nc6220 (Pentium 4, circa 2004) >> - Apple iBook (model A1005) (PowerPC, circa 2003?) >> >> The Sony and Compaq both have issues with their DVD drives -- not sure >> if it's software or hardware related. Otherwise, there are other ways >> to get an OS installed on them. >> >> Saturday would be a good day for them to be picked up. It'd rather not >> put any time into any of these, so I'm giving them away "as is". I >> won't accept them back. >> >> Email me if you're interested. >> >> -Erik >> >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Thomas Lunde wrote: >>> Jason - >>> >>> Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I suggest that you find something other than "Taylor Swift Linux" for a name. ?I'd guess that Swift Linux would be OK, as Swift could be considered an adjective instead of necessarily a reference to someone famous. >>> >>> See this for why: >>> http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another >>> >>> Thomas >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: >>> >>>> Swift Linux 0.0.2 is now available. ?There are now four different editions: >>>> 1. ?Diet Swift Linux: no OpenOffice >>>> 2. ?Swift Linux: includes OpenOffice >>>> 3. ?Forensic Swift Linux: Diet Swift Linux plus forensic tools >>>> 4. ?Taylor Swift Linux: regular Swift Linux with special wallpaper and a Taylor Swift audio clip that plays at startup >>>> >>>> If you like Ubuntu or Linux Mint but are scraping by with only 512 MB of RAM, you need to try Swift Linux, which requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended), only 1/4 that of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and other leading distros. >>>> >>>> If you like Puppy Linux but wish it had a bigger repository, you also need to try Swift Linux, which is fully compatible with the Debian software repository. >>>> >>>> If you know any Taylor Swift fans, please direct them to Taylor Swift Linux. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jason Hsu >>>> Creator of Swift Linux >>>> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> erik at ekmitchell.com >> http://ekmitchell.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Dec 9 09:00:58 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:00:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] installers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i've been using ubuntu netboot, small download, no cd needed, but i'm wondering if there's an even more convenient installer out there, that works inside whatever linuz you're already booted into, a bit like how vzpkgcache prepares a new container..? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101209/04469bf7/attachment.htm From kc0iog at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 18:25:48 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:25:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] installers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:00 AM, gregwm wrote: > i've been using ubuntu netboot, small download, no cd needed, but i'm > wondering if there's an even more convenient installer out there, that works > inside whatever linuz you're already booted into, a bit like how vzpkgcache > prepares a new container..? Both Fedora and Debian (and I assume Ubuntu by osmosis) can be installed within themselves. I'm more interested in hearing WHY you'd want to. A netboot install is about as convenient as it gets, and usually with installs you want to get as close to the bare metal as you can. Installing within the OS seems counterproductive, but please enlifghten me..... Brian From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Dec 9 21:10:05 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:10:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] installers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > > i've been using ubuntu netboot, small download, no cd needed, but i'm > > wondering if there's an even more convenient installer out there, that > works > > inside whatever linuz you're already booted into, a bit like how > vzpkgcache > > prepares a new container..? > > Both Fedora and Debian (and I assume Ubuntu by osmosis) can be > installed within themselves. I'm more interested in hearing WHY you'd > want to. A netboot install is about as convenient as it gets, and > usually with installs you want to get as close to the bare metal as > you can. Installing within the OS seems counterproductive, but please > enlifghten me..... > convenience. eg, netboot kernels never support my wireless card. i know installer designers want to make sure they have an environment that works, so they ship installers that come with their own kernel. i on the other hand know perfectly well that my kernel would work, and would rather be running my kernel while installing. i presume that's what you mean by "can be installed within themselves". i could go dissect the netboot initrd, but otoh, do you have any details/pointers/ideas to spare me that bit of nit combing? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm thinking some sort of regex like this would work, but I'm unsure how to impelment, and need to get this done fast: / object-group (\S+).+object-group (\S+)/ I think that's how you pull matches out of a regex, but I forgot how to reference them, or even to check my $line variable against them that is populated while going through a while loop. Can someone help? I'm really in a pinch. Thanks! ~jay From jus at krytosvirus.com Fri Dec 10 17:57:35 2010 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:57:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] quick perl help In-Reply-To: <0378CBDB-EAD0-47E3-92FD-1AE542E7F78A@signal15.com> References: <0378CBDB-EAD0-47E3-92FD-1AE542E7F78A@signal15.com> Message-ID: <1292025455.3672.143.camel@sysadmin3a> This may do what you want foreach (@ACL) { if (/ object-group (\w+).*object-group (\w+)/) { if ("$1" eq "$2") { print "$_\n"; } } } On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 17:40 -0600, Jay Austad wrote: > Say I have a file full of lines that look like the following: > > access-list dmz extended permit ip object-group SOMETHING1 object-group SOMETHING2 log > > I need a perl script that takes in each line, compares SOMETHING1 to SOMETHING2, and then prints the original line ONLY if they match. Not all of the lines have the same number of columns, and I also need to ignore lines that only have one "object-group" in them. > > I'm thinking some sort of regex like this would work, but I'm unsure how to impelment, and need to get this done fast: > / object-group (\S+).+object-group (\S+)/ > > I think that's how you pull matches out of a regex, but I forgot how to reference them, or even to check my $line variable against them that is populated while going through a while loop. > > Can someone help? I'm really in a pinch. > > Thanks! > > ~jay > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101210/a7be6e11/attachment.htm From austad at signal15.com Fri Dec 10 18:43:49 2010 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:43:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] quick perl help In-Reply-To: References: <0378CBDB-EAD0-47E3-92FD-1AE542E7F78A@signal15.com> Message-ID: <7212DC1C-22EA-41B9-BC2F-8416FF5F8AAE@signal15.com> Hmm, here's what I have, and I'm getting a "use of unitialized value" error for s1 and s2: #!/usr/bin/perl -w while (my $line = ) { ($s1,$s2) = $line =~ m/.*object-group (\S*).*object-group (\S*)/; if ( $s1 eq $s2 ) { print $line; } } On Dec 10, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Gerry wrote: > Oops. Forgot the $line thing. > ($s1,$s2) = $line =~ m/.*object-group (.*) object-group (.*) log/; > > perl > $line = "access-list dmz extended permit ip object-group SOMETHING1 object-group SOMETHING2 log"; > ($s1,$s2) = $line =~ m/.*object-group (.*) object-group (.*) log/; > print $s1,"\n"; > print $s2,"\n"; > SOMETHING1 > SOMETHING2 > > > On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Gerry wrote: > >> like this? >> >> ($s1,$s2) = m/.*object-group (.*) object-group (.*) log/; >> # The spaces take care of the terminations. >> if ( $s1 eq $s2 ) { >> print; >> } >> >> >> On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Jay Austad wrote: >> >>> Say I have a file full of lines that look like the following: >>> access-list dmz extended permit ip object-group SOMETHING1 object-group SOMETHING2 log >>> I need a perl script that takes in each line, compares SOMETHING1 to SOMETHING2, and then prints the original line ONLY if they match. Not all of the lines have the same number of columns, and I also need to ignore lines that only have one "object-group" in them. >>> I'm thinking some sort of regex like this would work, but I'm unsure how to impelment, and ned to get this done fast: >>> / object-group (\S+).+object-group (\S+)/ >>> I think that's how you pull matches out of a regex, but I forgot how to reference them, or even to check my $line variable against them that is populated while going through a while loop. >>> Can someone help? I'm really in a pinch. >>> Thanks! >>> ~jay >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > -- > Gerry Skerbitz > gsker at skerbitz.org > -- jay austad | 612.423.1433 | austad at signal15.com From johntrammell at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 19:04:40 2010 From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John Trammell) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:04:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] quick perl help In-Reply-To: <7212DC1C-22EA-41B9-BC2F-8416FF5F8AAE@signal15.com> References: <0378CBDB-EAD0-47E3-92FD-1AE542E7F78A@signal15.com> <7212DC1C-22EA-41B9-BC2F-8416FF5F8AAE@signal15.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Jay Austad wrote: > Hmm, here's what I have, and I'm getting a "use of unitialized value" error for s1 and s2: > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > while (my $line = ) { > ? ?($s1,$s2) = $line =~ m/.*object-group (\S*).*object-group (\S*)/; > ? ? ? ?if ( $s1 eq $s2 ) { > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?print $line; > ? ? ? ?} > } Sure, you're still comparing $s1 to $s2 even if the match fails. You can ignore the warning, or only compare if the match hits: if ($line =~ /.*object-group (\S*).*object-group (\S*)/) { print $line if $1 eq $2; } You might also want to use captures like (\S+) to ensure some string is there. From patrickm at citilink.com Fri Dec 10 19:25:59 2010 From: patrickm at citilink.com (patrickm at citilink.com) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:25:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] quick perl help In-Reply-To: References: <0378CBDB-EAD0-47E3-92FD-1AE542E7F78A@signal15.com> <7212DC1C-22EA-41B9-BC2F-8416FF5F8AAE@signal15.com> Message-ID: <20101210192601.g99g8e7yo8kw4kws@webmail.usfamily.net> Here's another version. Just change to <> to read from stdin. #!/usr/bin/perl -w while () { print if / object-group (\S+).*? object-group (\S+).*? log/ && $1 eq $2; } __DATA__ access-list dmz extended permit ip object-group SOMETHING1 object-group SOMETHING1 log access-list dmz extended permit ip object-group SOMETHING1 noise object-group SOMETHING1 log access-list dmz extended permit ip object-group SOMETHING1 object-group SOMETHING2 log access-list dmz extended permit ip object-group SOMETHING1 log Patrick McCabe Quoting John Trammell : > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Jay Austad wrote: >> Hmm, here's what I have, and I'm getting a "use of unitialized >> value" error for s1 and s2: >> >> #!/usr/bin/perl -w >> while (my $line = ) { >> ($s1,$s2) = $line =~ m/.*object-group (\S*).*object-group (\S*)/; >> if ( $s1 eq $s2 ) { >> print $line; >> } >> } > > Sure, you're still comparing $s1 to $s2 even if the match fails. You > can ignore the warning, or only compare if the match hits: > > if ($line =~ /.*object-group (\S*).*object-group (\S*)/) { > print $line if $1 eq $2; > } > > You might also want to use captures like (\S+) to ensure some string > is there. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sun Dec 12 15:34:27 2010 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:34:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking C++ Dream Job Message-ID: Shalom I'm wanting to cultivate more users of the C++ Middleware Writer. (The C++ Middleware Writer is an on line code generator that writes low-level C++ marshalling code based on high-level input.) I'm willing to donate 20 hours a week for six months to your project if we decide to work together. -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net (651) 251-9384 From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Mon Dec 13 06:12:10 2010 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 06:12:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet Message-ID: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports 10base-2 (coax) connections? If you have one, let me know how much you want for it and where I would have to go to pick it up. Thanks. Jim From nesius at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 08:53:29 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 08:53:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: Good ol' thin-net! :) How is it you are still stuck with 10Base-2? Just curious. :) (Don't have one - sorry) -Rob On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:12 AM, James Kaufman < jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> wrote: > Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports > 10base-2 (coax) connections? > > If you have one, let me know how much you want for it and where I would > have to go to pick it up. > > Thanks. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101213/88f05a0a/attachment.htm From smcgrath23 at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 09:01:48 2010 From: smcgrath23 at gmail.com (Steve McGrath) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:01:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: I've got one here in south Minneapolis, Longfellow neighborhood. You'd be doing me a favor if you could take and dispose of the entire mid-tower box it's currently installed in... -Steve On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:12 AM, James Kaufman wrote: > Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports > 10base-2 (coax) connections? > > If you have one, let me know how much you want for it and where I would > have to go to pick it up. > > Thanks. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- If it ain't broke, you're not using a new enough version From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Mon Dec 13 09:08:48 2010 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:08:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: References: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <4D063700.2010208@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On 12/13/2010 8:53 AM, Robert Nesius wrote: > Good ol' thin-net! :) How is it you are still stuck with 10Base-2? Just > curious. :) > > (Don't have one - sorry) > > -Rob > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:12 AM, James Kaufman< > jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> wrote: > >> Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports >> 10base-2 (coax) connections? >> >> If you have one, let me know how much you want for it and where I would >> have to go to pick it up. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> I wired up the house a long time ago when 10Base-2 was common. I have a planned project to drop a 10Base-1000 from the upstairs to the router downstairs. JMK From Dean.Benjamin at mm.com Mon Dec 13 09:30:44 2010 From: Dean.Benjamin at mm.com (Dean.Benjamin at mm.com) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:30:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20101213092239.0260a948@pop.mm.com> I found one in my basement parts bin. Two jacks on the card, one BNC, one RJ-45 (10BaseT). Obviously, it was produced during the transition from coax to twisted-pair, about 15 years ago. I salvaged it from a Pentium(1) desktop box. Yours for free, if you trek to Woodbury. At 12/13/2010 06:12 AM, James Kaufman wrote: >Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports >10base-2 (coax) connections? From j at packetgod.com Mon Dec 13 11:03:30 2010 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:03:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: <4D063700.2010208@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <4D063700.2010208@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: Do you have any plans to open up the museum so we can all come see a real functioning thin-net? Anyone still running token-ring? We could get a "history of networking" tour setup =) --j On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:08 AM, James Kaufman < jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> wrote: > On 12/13/2010 8:53 AM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > Good ol' thin-net! :) How is it you are still stuck with 10Base-2? > Just > > curious. :) > > > > (Don't have one - sorry) > > > > -Rob > > > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:12 AM, James Kaufman< > > jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> wrote: > > > >> Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports > >> 10base-2 (coax) connections? > >> > >> If you have one, let me know how much you want for it and where I would > >> have to go to pick it up. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > I wired up the house a long time ago when 10Base-2 was common. I have a > planned project to drop a 10Base-1000 from the upstairs to the router > downstairs. > > JMK > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101213/06221605/attachment.htm From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Mon Dec 13 11:19:48 2010 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:19:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers Message-ID: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> I am seeking a position as a computer forensic/recovery specialist. (I would appreciate any leads at Kroll Ontrack.) The world of Linux opened up a world that was completely invisible to me in my Windows-only days. I now know that a Linux live CD can be used to rescue data from an unbootable Windows installation. I also know about the various forensic/recovery live CDs and even started the forensic edition of Swift Linux. As a result of working on Swift Linux, I now have experience with Bash scripts. Are there other career paths I should consider? I've heard that I should consider becoming a systems administrator. What do you think of this career? What are the best ways I can get relevant experience? (I'm thinking along the lines of setting up an old computer at home as a firewall or server.) Are there other career paths I should consider? -- Jason Hsu Creator of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org/ From smcgrath23 at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 11:21:33 2010 From: smcgrath23 at gmail.com (Steve McGrath) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:21:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: References: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <4D063700.2010208@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: I've dealt with one small thin-net LAN, and hope to never do it again. This NIC I've got was always a pain because if the 10Base-T cable came loose, it'd still show link UP on the (disconnected) BNC connector. James, email me off-list if you want the card. It was working fine in my firewall box a few months ago, before the motherboard crapped out. All I ask for payment is that you take the whole PC off my hands. -Steve On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:03 AM, J Cruit wrote: > Do you have any plans to open up the museum so we can all come see a real > functioning thin-net? ?Anyone still running token-ring? ?We could get a > "history of networking" tour setup =) > --j -- If it ain't broke, you're not using a new enough version From kc0iog at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 11:53:10 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:53:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: > I am seeking a position as a computer forensic/recovery specialist. ?(I would appreciate any leads at Kroll Ontrack.) ?The world of Linux opened up a world that was completely invisible to me in my Windows-only days. ?I now know that a Linux live CD can be used to rescue data from an unbootable Windows installation. ?I also know about the various forensic/recovery live CDs and even started the forensic edition of Swift Linux. > As a result of working on Swift Linux, I now have experience with Bash scripts. Polish up your resume and post it to tclug-jobs. Kroll has a few openings, but I don't know that "using a linux rescue CD" is neccesarily what they're looking for. That being said, there may be some positions available that suit you. Good luck, Brian From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 13 11:59:09 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:59:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Hi there, On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Jason Hsu wrote: > Are there other career paths I should consider? I've heard that I > should consider becoming a systems administrator. First of all, let me say that it's very cool to see people discovering and getting into the more 'real' world of computing (: I've been a systems administrator in one form or another for, oh good god, about 17 years. Sure, I'm a lot more specialised now, and I guess my job title isn't actually "systems administrator" (it has "analyst" in it, whatever that means). There are a lot of things you should know before choosing this career path, but here is the single most important one: THEY WILL GIVE YOU A PAGER AND THEY WILL NOT BE AFRAID TO USE IT. Take that with all that implies. It's EXTREMELY high pressure, everyone wants everything done NOW, everyone's priorities are way more important than yours, and if it's at 4am after you've put in 12 hours straight fixing something else, that's just too bad. It's a 24/7 kind of thing. Course there are plus sides - if you work at a good place you will be compensated for all of that in the form of money/cool toys/pizza. And if you thrive on high pressure and challenges, you may well enjoy it. But my advice is to avoid the pager-related jobs, or at least have an exit strategy. -Yaron -- From kc0iog at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 12:07:41 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:07:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Yaron wrote: > THEY WILL GIVE YOU A PAGER AND THEY WILL NOT BE AFRAID TO USE IT. > > > Take that with all that implies. It's EXTREMELY high pressure, everyone > wants everything done NOW, everyone's priorities are way more important > than yours, and if it's at 4am after you've put in 12 hours straight > fixing something else, that's just too bad. It's a 24/7 kind of thing. Pager duty is a rite of pasage and it will drive you insane. It is how you earn your stripes, and with any luck you'll get elevated to either light pager duty or non at all. Don't expect that or ask thoguh, you have to earn it. Brian From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 13 12:18:28 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:18:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Brian Wall wrote: > Pager duty is a rite of pasage and it will drive you insane. It is > how you earn your stripes, Stripes, high blood pressure, ulcers, anurisms, it's all good. (if you manage to keep your sanity (and your job) after someone pages you at 2am to ask you how to unzip a file in Linux, you know you're doing good). -Yaron -- From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 12:19:28 2010 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:19:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Josh, I worked for Kroll about 2 years in E-Discovery. They use a customized web site to "harvest" resumes, just go under employment on their site. Unfortunately data recovery wasn't doing so hot as a market when I was there, and I doubt it's picked up much. Forensics wasn't hiring so I got stuck in E-Discovery until I found a job elsewhere in the field. If you are really serious about computer forensics contact me off list, I may have some opportunities I would be willing to share. * Jeremy MountainJohnson* jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: > I am seeking a position as a computer forensic/recovery specialist. (I > would appreciate any leads at Kroll Ontrack.) The world of Linux opened up > a world that was completely invisible to me in my Windows-only days. I now > know that a Linux live CD can be used to rescue data from an unbootable > Windows installation. I also know about the various forensic/recovery live > CDs and even started the forensic edition of Swift Linux. > > As a result of working on Swift Linux, I now have experience with Bash > scripts. > > Are there other career paths I should consider? I've heard that I should > consider becoming a systems administrator. What do you think of this > career? What are the best ways I can get relevant experience? (I'm > thinking along the lines of setting up an old computer at home as a firewall > or server.) > > Are there other career paths I should consider? > > -- > Jason Hsu > Creator of Swift Linux > http://www.swiftlinux.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101213/ab38f550/attachment.htm From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 12:20:28 2010 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:20:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Sorry about the HTML folks- this is plain text. -- Josh, I worked for Kroll about 2 years in E-Discovery. They use a customized web site to "harvest" resumes, just go under employment on their site. Unfortunately data recovery wasn't doing so hot as a market when I was there, and I doubt it's picked up much. Forensics wasn't hiring so I got stuck in E-Discovery until I found a job elsewhere in the field. If you are really serious about computer forensics contact me off list, I may have some opportunities I would be willing to share. Jeremy MountainJohnson jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: >> >> I am seeking a position as a computer forensic/recovery specialist. ?(I would appreciate any leads at Kroll Ontrack.) ?The world of Linux opened up a world that was completely invisible to me in my Windows-only days. ?I now know that a Linux live CD can be used to rescue data from an unbootable Windows installation. ?I also know about the various forensic/recovery live CDs and even started the forensic edition of Swift Linux. >> >> As a result of working on Swift Linux, I now have experience with Bash scripts. >> >> Are there other career paths I should consider? ?I've heard that I should consider becoming a systems administrator. ?What do you think of this career? ?What are the best ways I can get relevant experience? ?(I'm thinking along the lines of setting up an old computer at home as a firewall or server.) >> >> Are there other career paths I should consider? >> >> -- >> Jason Hsu >> Creator of Swift Linux >> http://www.swiftlinux.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nesius at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 13:01:21 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:01:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: > I am seeking a position as a computer forensic/recovery specialist. (I > would appreciate any leads at Kroll Ontrack.) The world of Linux opened up > a world that was completely invisible to me in my Windows-only days. I now > know that a Linux live CD can be used to rescue data from an unbootable > Windows installation. I also know about the various forensic/recovery live > CDs and even started the forensic edition of Swift Linux. > > As a result of working on Swift Linux, I now have experience with Bash > scripts. > > Are there other career paths I should consider? I've heard that I should > consider becoming a systems administrator. What do you think of this > career? What are the best ways I can get relevant experience? (I'm > thinking along the lines of setting up an old computer at home as a firewall > or server.) > > Are there other career paths I should consider? > You might find value in a SANS certification in their security track. Here are the certs they offer (Note: Forensics) http://www.giac.org/certifications/ I had a colleague who went through some of these tracks and in turn became an instructor. Seemed like fairly decent quality. Truthfully - the legal stuff on security and policy is something every sysadmin would benefit from imho. Right now, for where you are at Jason, I'd say "keep playing". Keep rolling your own distro. Maybe do some ninja training: * http://vrt-sourcefire.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-do-i-become-ninja.html * http://community.corest.com/~gera/InsecureProgramming/ # Site is currently down - here's a link to the google cache. * http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vYn_1-bKEdEJ:community.corest.com/~gera/InsecureProgramming/+http://community.corest.com/~gera/InsecureProgramming/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Keep following your curiosity and let it lead you to new areas. Also - I had several friends who worked with their local police department as volunteers to assist with computer forensics. Could be a good learning opportunity there - there could well be a volunteer and mentor who needs help and who would be willing to do some teaching as he delegated work to you. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101213/ee1db11c/attachment.htm From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 13:27:38 2010 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:27:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Brian Wall cried from the depths of the abyss... >> THEY WILL GIVE YOU A PAGER AND THEY WILL NOT BE AFRAID TO USE IT. >> >> >> Take that with all that implies. It's EXTREMELY high pressure, everyone >> wants everything done NOW, everyone's priorities are way more important >> than yours, and if it's at 4am after you've put in 12 hours straight >> fixing something else, that's just too bad. It's a 24/7 kind of thing. > > Pager duty is a rite of pasage and it will drive you insane. It is > how you earn your stripes, and with any luck you'll get elevated to > either light pager duty or non at all. Don't expect that or ask > thoguh, you have to earn it. > They might / probably will give you a cell phone as well. Even worse, depending on the company/shop you work at, they might also have your home number on file if the pager/cell fails. IMHO the recovery part of your skills is more valuable than then forensic factor. Even better than recovery is knowing how to make good backups, and know how to recover them. I know this might sound silly, but it's true. When something goes down, you need to get it back up now, and the data had better be current. Honestly, the non IT people in the company (this could also be your boss!) will not care how & or what, just "can I log in now?" This is the closest thing to actually having a gun to your head. The longer it takes, the worse it will be. If you fail at this task........... (to horrible to say). With the economy being what it is, being just a Linux admin doesn't hold much weight {unless you can really find a Linux shop (good luck)}. I hate to say it being on a Linux list & all, but you had better learn at least the basics of Windows server/active directory/mssql/etc. You should also brush up on your Cisco. I used to laugh once upon a time when I would see job requirements listed in the classifieds, but now I think this is a little more accurate. There are a handful of head hunter companies around the twin cities. I would contact them all. They are a great help with getting you into the biz, and offering good advice on what you should/need to do. Lastly, Mr. Brian Wall nailed it with "you have to earn it". Once you hit the 3 - 5 years real work experience you will have a little more freedom, but until then take whatever pay they give you & put in your time. Good Luck Brother! Mr. B-o-B From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Dec 13 23:54:12 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:54:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: I have some ISA cards, but don't recall ever seeing a PCI type with the BNC coax connector. Also have one or more Linksys router/adapter boxes that breaks out coax to CAT-5 Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of James Kaufman > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:12 AM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet > > > Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports > 10base-2 (coax) connections? > > If you have one, let me know how much you want for it and where I would > have to go to pick it up. > > Thanks. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Tue Dec 14 00:39:15 2010 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:39:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: References: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <4D063700.2010208@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <4D071113.30700@Goecke-Dolan.com> Come on now, if we are really going to have a 'history of networking' we can do better than that. Long Live ARCnet !! If you know me (or my basement), it will come a surprise but I do NOT have any ARCnet cards... hummm... I don't believe I ever worked with it. Although I do have a few.. pci Thinnet cards. But it seems James would have more than he even wanted by now. ;) If you are still in need of Thinnet James let me know. ==>brian. J Cruit wrote: > Do you have any plans to open up the museum so we can all come see a > real functioning thin-net? Anyone still running token-ring? We could > get a "history of networking" tour setup =) > > --j > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:08 AM, James Kaufman > > > wrote: > > On 12/13/2010 8:53 AM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > Good ol' thin-net! :) How is it you are still stuck with > 10Base-2? Just > > curious. :) > > > > (Don't have one - sorry) > > > > -Rob > > > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:12 AM, James Kaufman< > > jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us > > wrote: > > > >> Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports > >> 10base-2 (coax) connections? > >> > >> If you have one, let me know how much you want for it and where > I would > >> have to go to pick it up. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > I wired up the house a long time ago when 10Base-2 was common. I have a > planned project to drop a 10Base-1000 from the upstairs to the router > downstairs. > > JMK > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kc0iog at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 07:11:54 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:11:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: <4D071113.30700@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <4D063700.2010208@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <4D071113.30700@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > Long Live ARCnet !! I found out several years after my encounters with ARCnet that you're supposed to terminate ARCnet connections. Apparently running ARCnet through a series of passive splitters and then directly plugging into the card (without termination) isn't best practice. Yet, somehow, it worked. Despite its shortcomings, ARCnet was a fairly robust topology in that it only broke when you really, really tried. And apparently, not even then sometimes. I was sad the day we brought in our first ethernet workstations, for the ethernet NICs didn't have DIP switches to set the MAC address. 256 ought to be enough for anyone. Anyone tried Turbo ARCnet? Sounds about as appealing as 100Mb br0ken ring. Brian From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 18:22:26 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:22:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI-- http://mlug.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/pics/misc/20101214_Minn_AG_letter.jpg Mike From hpenner at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 21:09:53 2010 From: hpenner at gmail.com (Harry Penner) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:09:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice work -- hopefully people will think twice before posting any more jobs to THIS list! On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Mike Miller > wrote: > FYI-- > > http://mlug.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/pics/misc/20101214_Minn_AG_letter.jpg > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101214/9a680cd4/attachment.htm From jolexa at jolexa.net Tue Dec 14 21:32:58 2010 From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:32:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0836EA.8050307@jolexa.net> On 12/14/2010 06:22 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > FYI-- > > http://mlug.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/pics/misc/20101214_Minn_AG_letter.jpg > > Mike Good job. Thanks for following through. I am sick of Brian Wood's spam. -Jeremy From nesius at gmail.com Tue Dec 14 21:43:46 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:43:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer In-Reply-To: <4D0836EA.8050307@jolexa.net> References: <4D0836EA.8050307@jolexa.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > On 12/14/2010 06:22 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > > FYI-- > > > > http://mlug.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/pics/misc/20101214_Minn_AG_letter.jpg > > > > Mike > > Good job. Thanks for following through. I am sick of Brian Wood's spam. > > -Jeremy > > Are you going to file a claim? On the one hand, you didn't apply for the job, thus you can't argue you were discriminated against. On the other, the initial language may have precluded you from applying, thus giving rise to the argument of "preemptive discrimination". I guess that's why lawyers make the big bucks? Either way score a victory for emphatically making a point. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101214/bbe4ae63/attachment.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 00:26:51 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:26:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You left off the word "discriminatory" as in "discriminatory job postings." If people think twice before posting, and that causes them to remove descriminatory requirements from their posting, like that applicants be white Christian property owners, or whatever, then I think we're all better off. Mike On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Harry Penner wrote: > Nice work -- hopefully people will think twice before posting any more jobs > to THIS list! > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Mike Miller > >> wrote: > >> FYI-- >> >> http://mlug.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/pics/misc/20101214_Minn_AG_letter.jpg >> >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > From Dean.Benjamin at mm.com Wed Dec 15 01:42:35 2010 From: Dean.Benjamin at mm.com (Dean.Benjamin at mm.com) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:42:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20101215012941.068399d8@pop.mm.com> It's all a big misunderstanding. Brian Wood intends no discrimination. Quite the contrary: he has advanced an affirmative action initiative, aimed at recruitment of muslims, hindus, and other religious minorities. No one does god-fearing better than muslims (the very name of their creed means "submission"), who press foreheads to ground five times daily lest they piss of the Big Guy. Except maybe hindus, who fear poly-skydaddies (no one wants to meet Kali in a dark alley). Christians -- handicapped by their flower-child "God is Love" theology -- need not apply. Nor Jews, who are confidently Chosen. From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 12:40:49 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:40:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1.Don't leave out the open source religion. Stallminizm Thank you for looking into the discriminating aspects of that post. I was offended to read that here. But enough trolling. 2.How about some fresh TCLUG tshirt gear? 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101215/123f1e89/attachment.htm From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Dec 15 13:03:17 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:03:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] audio cassette to digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Last time I did that (years ago) I just plugged a tape player into the audio-in on the sound card. On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, gregwm wrote: > i have some audio cassettes from a former reality that i'd like to digitize > before they fade any further.? what piece of hardware do you suggest that > would be a fair compromise of quality vs cost, and where do you suggest to > look for it, or where do you suggest to ask such questions? > > -Yaron -- From kc0iog at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 13:17:26 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:17:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] audio cassette to digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Yaron wrote: > Last time I did that (years ago) I just plugged a tape player into the > audio-in on the sound card. Likewise. Borrow or rent a high end deck (Marantz or so) and rip all your casettes. I did this a few years back, a bit time consuming but once it's done, it's done and life is nice. Brian From kjh at flyballdogs.com Wed Dec 15 13:07:11 2010 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:07:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] audio cassette to digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81a2ec94ec401d35f9e8d208ad32c8a4.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> gregwm wrote: > i have some audio cassettes from a former reality that i'd like to > digitize > before they fade any further. what piece of hardware do you suggest that > would be a fair compromise of quality vs cost, and where do you suggest to > look for it, or where do you suggest to ask such questions? Probably not what you're looking for but my ION TT-USB turntable has line-in plugs so you could hook a cassette player to it. I've used the turntable with audacity to rip many vinyl records to digital formats. -- Kathryn http://womensfooty.com US Freedom Signup: http://womensfooty.com/freedom/2011 From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 13:29:21 2010 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:29:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] audio cassette to digital In-Reply-To: <81a2ec94ec401d35f9e8d208ad32c8a4.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> References: <81a2ec94ec401d35f9e8d208ad32c8a4.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> Message-ID: you can get rca to the small audio inputs and plug into the microphone jack on your computer from the back of your sterio system. that is if you still use a home sterio system. On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Kathryn Hogg wrote: > > gregwm wrote: > > i have some audio cassettes from a former reality that i'd like to > > digitize > > before they fade any further. what piece of hardware do you suggest that > > would be a fair compromise of quality vs cost, and where do you suggest > to > > look for it, or where do you suggest to ask such questions? > > Probably not what you're looking for but my ION TT-USB turntable has > line-in plugs so you could hook a cassette player to it. > > I've used the turntable with audacity to rip many vinyl records to digital > formats. > > -- > Kathryn > http://womensfooty.com > US Freedom Signup: http://womensfooty.com/freedom/2011 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And if > you thrive on high pressure and challenges, you may well enjoy it. Sounds like it wouldn't be so bad for me, considering I have odd sleep habits and live within walking distance (we're talking about the worldwide HQ in Eden Prairie, right?). Any chance of getting work there without any kind of degree (though I do have plans to get one, and I'd be willing to earn certifications as needed)? From florin at iucha.net Wed Dec 15 14:19:56 2010 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:19:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] audio cassette to digital In-Reply-To: References: <81a2ec94ec401d35f9e8d208ad32c8a4.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> Message-ID: <20101215201956.GN2306@styx.iucha.org> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 01:57:23PM -0600, greg wm wrote: > umm, yeah, gave all my transistors away years ago, atm all i've got is mobo > sound.. where's best to look/beg/borrow/buy at a steal? ebay? PAWN America? $20 for a cassette deck and you can party like it's 1999! 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Almost every job I've been looking at is (BS degree || experience). If you know what you're talking about, and are able to prove it, that's as good as a degree for most companies. I've personally been knocking on the Kroll Ontrack door with limited success, I haven't let it stop me and it shouldn't stop anyone else either. Since this thread is about job hunting, I recommend to everyone that you post your resume to tclug-jobs. I've posted mine a few times, and I've got some quality hits. Even more importantly, I have gotten constructive criticism from list members and my resume looks far more solid than when I began. Thanks all, Brian From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 14:44:36 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:44:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, r j wrote: > 2.How about some fresh TCLUG tshirt gear? > Would anyone be opposed to my selling of TCLUG gear online? > I will be starting a eCommerce site and would like to include some custom > gear. > Of course its completely open source "Stallminist". I think TCLUG should make the profit from TCLUG gear sales, if TCLUG has any use for money. If TCLUG can't use the money, maybe we should allow anyone who wants to make/sell TCLUG shirts to do so. I guess that's the way it is now unless TCLUG has a trademark and wants to enforce it. Mike From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 14:50:30 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:50:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think if an individual wants to take the risk of printing t-shirts (putting out his own cash), spend the time, and find a price that the market accepts, and sell the shirts, he should be able to reap whatever gains come from it. If you were to do the math, you'd probably find that he'd end up making less than minimum wage for his time. -Erik On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, r j wrote: > >> 2.How about some fresh TCLUG tshirt gear? >> ? Would anyone be opposed to my selling of TCLUG gear online? >> I will be starting a eCommerce site and would like to include some custom >> gear. >> Of course its completely open source "Stallminist". > > > I think TCLUG should make the profit from TCLUG gear sales, if TCLUG has > any use for money. ?If TCLUG can't use the money, maybe we should allow > anyone who wants to make/sell TCLUG shirts to do so. ?I guess that's the > way it is now unless TCLUG has a trademark and wants to enforce it. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Dec 15 14:59:13 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:59:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Erik Mitchell wrote: > I think if an individual wants to take the risk of printing t-shirts > (putting out his own cash), spend the time, and find a price that the > market accepts, and sell the shirts, he should be able to reap > whatever gains come from it. Or someone could design some, put them on cafepress/spreadshirt with whatever markup they want, and spend $0. -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Wed Dec 15 15:04:52 2010 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:04:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101215210451.GO2306@styx.iucha.org> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 02:50:30PM -0600, Erik Mitchell wrote: > I think if an individual wants to take the risk of printing t-shirts > (putting out his own cash), spend the time, and find a price that the > market accepts, and sell the shirts, he should be able to reap > whatever gains come from it. > > If you were to do the math, you'd probably find that he'd end up > making less than minimum wage for his time. Reminds me of the (New Yorker?) cartoon with the guy selling "I've fought at Alamo" t-shirts, feverishly marking them down from $15 to 10 to 7 to 5 to 1.... Since Mr. Tanner is graciously donating the bandwidth and CPU resources needed to run this list, I don't know what good could come out of the TCLUG having any actual money. From my perspective, whomever is getting some money out of this can keep it (minus the taxes of course). Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have no job experience in the IT field and it's not like an interviewer is going to spend much time finding out what I've learned informally. I've found that (in general) one either needs experience, a degree, or connections for IT jobs (especially when there is so much competition among job seekers). Obviously, the experience is a catch-22, and I was hoping to find connections. I do have some free time, so if anyone knows which certification(s) would be especially useful (preferably something I can learn without taking formal classes since those cost money and I'm sure the Hennepin County library system has books on the subject), I would love to know what they are. From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Wed Dec 15 19:51:46 2010 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:51:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D0970B2.2020806@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On 12/13/2010 11:54 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > I have some ISA cards, but don't recall ever seeing a PCI type with the BNC > coax connector. > Also have one or more Linksys router/adapter boxes that breaks out coax to > CAT-5 > > Chuck > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of James Kaufman >> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:12 AM >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet >> >> >> Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports >> 10base-2 (coax) connections? >> >> If you have one, let me know how much you want for it and where I would >> have to go to pick it up. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > I did some work for a company back in the 80's that was still using 10Base5 Ethernet. I had never seen it before and was amazed that it worked at all. JMK From kc0iog at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 20:16:19 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:16:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: <4D0970B2.2020806@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <4D0970B2.2020806@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:51 PM, James Kaufman wrote: > I did some work for a company back in the 80's that was still using > 10Base5 Ethernet. I had never seen it before and was amazed that it > worked at all. I wish vampire taps worked on Cat 5, personally. Brian From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 21:41:23 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:41:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: <4D09319E.2090501@gmail.com> References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <4D092249.5020703@gmail.com> <4D09319E.2090501@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: > or connections for IT That's what this list, Brian's PenguinsUnbound events, and the various Ubuntu Minnesota communications channels are for. ;) > I do have some free time, so if anyone knows which > certification(s) would be especially useful (preferably something I can > learn without taking formal classes since those cost money and I'm sure > the Hennepin County library system has books on the subject), I would > love to know what they are. I can't think of any certifications that *require* taking formal classes. There are some where it is infinitely more useful than others, but that's all I can think of. The closest I can think of are the Cisco line of certifications, since you need to have access to Cisco hardware, preferably reasonably current, which means either picking up a bunch of bulky, dusty gear off Craigslist or going somewhere that already has them. I took one Cisco course through Hennepin Technical College, and the guy teaching that was actually pretty good. (My experiences with MNSCU more broadly are less than positive, but that particular course was a good one.) This is the guy who taught it: http://ccis.hennepintech.edu/instructors/owens/ Certifications that I see often on job listings: A+ Certified Computer Examiner (CCE) Certified Information Systems Security Professional (CISSP) Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) Cisco Certified Network Professional (CCNP) Linux Professional Institute Certification (LPIC-1, LPIC-2, LPIC-3) Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA) Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) Network+ RedHat Certified Engineer (RHCE) Security+ As a Linux guy reading through position descriptions, I can also tell you that at least for the next 5 years or so if you can manage some level of competence in AIX, HP-UX, and/or Solaris that will give you a boost in the kind of salaries available to you. The strong trend is toward proprietary Unices being replaced with Linux or (less frequently) one of the BSDs, but the kinds of businesses deploying those are slow to change, so they'll still be around for a bit. - Tony From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 21:44:10 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:44:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: References: <4D0970B2.2020806@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: I would just like to say, you are all older than dirt. That is all. :) - Twenty-something Tony (but still born before the Internet!) From eric.schultz at mchsi.com Wed Dec 15 21:49:10 2010 From: eric.schultz at mchsi.com (Eric Schultz) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:49:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1296502655.195151292471350739.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Owens is a pretty good instructor. Hennepin Tech used to have a Linux Guru, Jeremy Anderson, however he is no longer there. Overall Hennepin Tech, if you want to get a good base, and education fairly cheap, and they offer a pretty good number of courses on line...is a good way to go. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Yarusso" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:41:23 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: > or connections for IT That's what this list, Brian's PenguinsUnbound events, and the various Ubuntu Minnesota communications channels are for. ;) > I do have some free time, so if anyone knows which > certification(s) would be especially useful (preferably something I can > learn without taking formal classes since those cost money and I'm sure > the Hennepin County library system has books on the subject), I would > love to know what they are. I can't think of any certifications that *require* taking formal classes. There are some where it is infinitely more useful than others, but that's all I can think of. The closest I can think of are the Cisco line of certifications, since you need to have access to Cisco hardware, preferably reasonably current, which means either picking up a bunch of bulky, dusty gear off Craigslist or going somewhere that already has them. I took one Cisco course through Hennepin Technical College, and the guy teaching that was actually pretty good. (My experiences with MNSCU more broadly are less than positive, but that particular course was a good one.) This is the guy who taught it: http://ccis.hennepintech.edu/instructors/owens/ Certifications that I see often on job listings: A+ Certified Computer Examiner (CCE) Certified Information Systems Security Professional (CISSP) Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA) Cisco Certified Network Professional (CCNP) Linux Professional Institute Certification (LPIC-1, LPIC-2, LPIC-3) Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA) Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) Network+ RedHat Certified Engineer (RHCE) Security+ As a Linux guy reading through position descriptions, I can also tell you that at least for the next 5 years or so if you can manage some level of competence in AIX, HP-UX, and/or Solaris that will give you a boost in the kind of salaries available to you. The strong trend is toward proprietary Unices being replaced with Linux or (less frequently) one of the BSDs, but the kinds of businesses deploying those are slow to change, so they'll still be around for a bit. - Tony _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 21:52:37 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:52:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, it appears such a site already exists - http://www.cafepress.com/tclug (linked from mn-linux.org) Second, the big issue Ubuntu LoCos have run into is that most groups are not legal entities (and it rarely makes sense to become one), so there isn't anything to actually give money TO. This means that legally speaking, no matter how you slice it it will just be some individual holding onto the money anyway, so it probably makes sense to have that person be the one who is involved enough to put in the effort to make the stuff. If they want to then spend it in some other way that benefits the group, great, but there isn't really a way to make that have to be the case. - Tony From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 21:56:00 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:56:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer In-Reply-To: References: <4D0836EA.8050307@jolexa.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > Are you going to file a claim? > > On the one hand, you didn't apply for the job, thus you can't argue you were > discriminated against.? On the other, the initial language may have > precluded you from applying, thus giving rise to the argument of "preemptive > discrimination". Given the posting, I wouldn't *want* the job, so wouldn't be eligible for a claim. However, the posting itself was illegal under Minnesota law, regardless of actions taken with respect to an individual applicant, so I did send a non-claim informational message in alerting the government about the practices of that business to follow up on as they see fit. - Tony From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Dec 15 22:22:16 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:22:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: References: <4D0970B2.2020806@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Tony Yarusso wrote: > - Twenty-something Tony (but still born before the Internet!) The Internet was technically created in the 60s. -Yaron -- From jim at jameskaufman.org Sun Dec 12 16:36:45 2010 From: jim at jameskaufman.org (James Kaufman) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:36:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet Message-ID: <4D054E7D.5060004@jameskaufman.org> Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports 10base-2 (coax) connections? If you have one, let me know how much you want for it and where I would have to go to pick it up. Thanks. Jim From jim at jameskaufman.org Mon Dec 13 22:03:20 2010 From: jim at jameskaufman.org (James Kaufman) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 22:03:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20101213092239.0260a948@pop.mm.com> References: <4D060D9A.1010108@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <6.1.2.0.2.20101213092239.0260a948@pop.mm.com> Message-ID: <4D06EC88.1030006@jameskaufman.org> Dean Benjamin has graciously offered a ten year old Enet card for my 'museum'. I can't help it that my house and wiring is now old. It wasn't old when I moved in and ran 10base-2 everywhere. I've only got one room upstairs that is still on the old network. Sometime this next year I will update the network. It won't be that hard. I should have a clear shot. Its just that my wife hates it when I start cutting up sheetrock. JMK From jim at jameskaufman.org Wed Dec 15 19:50:21 2010 From: jim at jameskaufman.org (James Kaufman) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:50:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D09705D.8020604@jameskaufman.org> On 12/13/2010 11:54 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > I have some ISA cards, but don't recall ever seeing a PCI type with the BNC > coax connector. > Also have one or more Linksys router/adapter boxes that breaks out coax to > CAT-5 > > Chuck > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of James Kaufman >> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:12 AM >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet >> >> >> Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports >> 10base-2 (coax) connections? >> >> If you have one, let me know how much you want for it and where I would >> have to go to pick it up. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ I did some work for a company back in the 80's that was still using 10Base5 Ethernet. I had never seen it before and was amazed that it worked at all. JMK From thoth.serath at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 12:18:42 2010 From: thoth.serath at gmail.com (Chris G.) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:18:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: good advice. i like this post. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Yaron wrote: > Hi there, > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Jason Hsu wrote: > > > Are there other career paths I should consider? I've heard that I > > should consider becoming a systems administrator. > > First of all, let me say that it's very cool to see people discovering and > getting into the more 'real' world of computing (: > > > I've been a systems administrator in one form or another for, oh good god, > about 17 years. Sure, I'm a lot more specialised now, and I guess my job > title isn't actually "systems administrator" (it has "analyst" in it, > whatever that means). > > There are a lot of things you should know before choosing this career > path, but here is the single most important one: > > > THEY WILL GIVE YOU A PAGER AND THEY WILL NOT BE AFRAID TO USE IT. > > > Take that with all that implies. It's EXTREMELY high pressure, everyone > wants everything done NOW, everyone's priorities are way more important > than yours, and if it's at 4am after you've put in 12 hours straight > fixing something else, that's just too bad. It's a 24/7 kind of thing. > > Course there are plus sides - if you work at a good place you will be > compensated for all of that in the form of money/cool toys/pizza. And if > you thrive on high pressure and challenges, you may well enjoy it. > > But my advice is to avoid the pager-related jobs, or at least have an > exit strategy. > > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101213/40ebac7a/attachment-0001.htm From eric.lovrien at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 13:11:35 2010 From: eric.lovrien at gmail.com (Eric Lovrien) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:11:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: I am just wondering how many people work a full time job working on just Linux? I see many job postings out there for Windows Admins ..etc with experience in Linux (1/90th of the job role). Over the last few years I have been dreaming of the day I can do it full time. I don't see many job postings out there for these types of positions. What is the best way to break into some of these roles? Do you pick a disto like Red Hat or SUSE and get certified in them, or do you start to implementing open source solutions like request tracker, sugar crm..etc running on a Linux system and build your experience that way? Can you get a Linux Admin role by just passing the LPI exam? I would love to hear your comments and thoughts. Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101213/b5c9e31a/attachment-0001.htm From thoth.serath at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 22:07:33 2010 From: thoth.serath at gmail.com (Chris G.) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:07:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thank you for filing this report. if you need any help let me know. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Mike Miller > wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote: > > > Mike Miller: > > > > On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote: > > > >>> I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts. > >> > >> > >> How about keeping your religion to yourself? Besides, I'm pretty sure > >> that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal. > >> > >> http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php< > http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php> > > > > > > I think you're right about it being illegal. > > > Great. I guess we agree on something. I'm reporting you to the Minnesota > State Attorney General. This will create an opportunity for you to fight > within our court system for your right to religious discrimination. > Maybe you will be able to change our laws. Good luck with that. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101215/d0078e9a/attachment.htm From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 23:01:47 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:01:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tshirt/linux job Message-ID: Ok so the cafe press t shirt sales money goes back into the lug? if so I will get one. Red Hat? Certified Technician & Engineer (RHCT and RHCE) Training Guide and Administrator's Reference is less than $40 bucks it's $300 to take the test, and $2700 for a week of training and exam. That is the way I would prepare for A Linux admin job search. enjoy the read its going to take a minute. Another note is the LPI exam is a very basic generic Linux certification. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101215/848495d4/attachment.htm From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 23:19:26 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:19:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tshirt/linux job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:01 PM, r j wrote: > Another note is the LPI exam is a very basic generic?Linux?certification. As someone holding an LPI certification, I feel compelled to correct this. :) LPI has an entire *series* of certifications, not just one. This consists of three levels, named as follows: LPIC-1: Junior Level Linux Professional LPIC-2: Advanced Level Linux Professional LPIC-3: Senior Level Linux Professional Additionally, each certification level requires passage of TWO exams - they are not an individual exam for each. As such, LPIC-1 (the one I currently hold) does qualify as an "entry-level" certification, but I would not go as far as "very basic". For the "very basic" term I would ascribe that to Linux+, the CompTIA Linux certification. LPIC-1 would come in slightly above that, and then you work your way up. By the time you get to LPIC-3 you're at at least the same level as RHCE, with the added benefit of being cross-distro (LPI is a vendor-neutral program, and requires knowledge of both Debian-style and RedHat-style systems). - Tony From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 23:22:41 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:22:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Jason, I want to throw in my advice on your job search. It sounds like what you have is some solid basic level skills, a need for experience, and a willingness to learn. Those are valuable things. I would do this: identify positions that you _easily_ qualify for. For example, help desk / tech support. I know this isn't what you want to do long term, or even medium term (even short term), but bear with me. The idea is that you want to aim a little lower, so that you (hopefully) get more openings to consider. Then, when you get interviews, you want to do as much to interview the employer as they're doing to interview you. Ask yourself these questions about the prospective employer: are there opportunities there you to move into a job that's more to your liking? Are there people there that you can learn from? (this is huge). Is there some latitude about how your job is done that allows you to experiment and innovate? If you can find a situation like that, you'll be in something more like an apprenticeship than a straight up job. You'll be learning on the job, and getting paid at the same time. The tradeoff is that you're accepting a position where you can easily perform the duties, and you're making a little less money, but on the upside you're learning from someone more experienced, and you're establishing a track record for yourself. You might find that before long your employer realizes you'd be more useful doing Job B than Job A, and they'll move you there. Companies by their nature want to optimize how they're using their resources (good ones anyway). Find one that thinks that way, and there's no limit to where you can go. Good luck, Erik On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: > I am seeking a position as a computer forensic/recovery specialist. ?(I would appreciate any leads at Kroll Ontrack.) ?The world of Linux opened up a world that was completely invisible to me in my Windows-only days. ?I now know that a Linux live CD can be used to rescue data from an unbootable Windows installation. ?I also know about the various forensic/recovery live CDs and even started the forensic edition of Swift Linux. > > As a result of working on Swift Linux, I now have experience with Bash scripts. > > Are there other career paths I should consider? ?I've heard that I should consider becoming a systems administrator. ?What do you think of this career? ?What are the best ways I can get relevant experience? ?(I'm thinking along the lines of setting up an old computer at home as a firewall or server.) > > Are there other career paths I should consider? > > -- > Jason Hsu > Creator of Swift Linux > http://www.swiftlinux.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 23:24:53 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:24:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: References: <4D0970B2.2020806@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Yaron wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Tony Yarusso wrote: > >> - Twenty-something Tony ?(but still born before the Internet!) > > The Internet was technically created in the 60s. ARPANET, the "precursor" to the Internet was. I (somewhat arbitrarily) choose to make the cutoff for calling it the "Internet" at the opening of NSFNET to commercial usage in 1988. - Tony From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Dec 15 23:37:38 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:37:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: References: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Eric Lovrien wrote: > I am just wondering how many people work a full time job working on just > Linux? I see many job postings out there for Windows Admins ..etc with > experience in Linux (1/90th of the job role). Over the last few years I have > been dreaming of the day I can do it full time. I don't see many job > postings out there for these types of positions. I almost fit this description. I work at a software development and support company (Nagios Enterprises), and our software is designed on and runs on Linux only. Our supported platforms are Red Hat and CentOS, although most of us use Ubuntu writing the code and such. We're not "just Linux" as our desktops actually run Windows XP, and that is used by one of the developers and our sales/marketing department, but the other developers / support / documentation people use Ubuntu in various sorts of virtual machines for most of our work, with dozens of CentOS VMs going for testing. My previous IT job (at Saint Paul College) was probably 40/40/20 Linux/Solaris/Windows, with Windows on workstations in half the computer labs, Solaris on some of our "big" servers and serving the thin clients for the other half of the computer labs, and Linux (originally Fedora, switched to Ubuntu) for all of the various smaller servers. > ?What is the best way to break into some of these roles? Do you pick a disto > like Red Hat or SUSE and get certified in them, or do you start to > implementing open source solutions like request tracker, sugar crm..etc > running on a Linux system and build your experience that way? Can you get a > Linux Admin role by just passing the LPI exam? You don't get a Linux admin role "just" by doing anything - people hire based on a combination of factors. For me, the Saint Paul College job came by a combination of being noticed as a bright student with an interest in Linux and absurdly serendipitous timing. The Nagios job already had that on the resume, plus customer service and writing experience, and at that point the LPIC-1, and again, timing. My suggestion is this: Do what you love, and eventually you'll have enough experience to get paid for it. If you want to be "the Red Hat guru", by all means go work on RHCE. If you want to be a database administrator, learn MySQL, PostgreSQL, and maybe some Oracle, DB2, and/or MSSQL if you can get your hands on them. I actually have one Microsoft certification (XP admin), but don't intend to go for a full MCSE, and don't always even list it on my resume, because that's not what I want to get hired to do. And in case it wasn't obvious yet, never, EVER underestimate the values of a) TIMING, and b) WHO YOU KNOW (and the impressions you make). The Nagios job was because I happened to look at job listings as part of my semi-routine "what are people looking for in the market?" check and seeing one that actually interested me. The Saint Paul College job I didn't even apply for - they approached me. And for reference, Nagios usually posts positions in two places, this list and Craigslist. They aren't admin jobs (we're not that big), but Linux-related anyhow. - Tony From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Dec 16 12:53:39 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:53:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] audio cassette to digital In-Reply-To: <20101215201956.GN2306@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: Usually cheaper at thrifts.. perhaps one under $10 would do. AND Goodwill has a seven day no questions return policy (others don't). Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:20 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] audio cassette to digital > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 01:57:23PM -0600, greg wm wrote: > > umm, yeah, gave all my transistors away years ago, atm all i've > got is mobo > > sound.. where's best to look/beg/borrow/buy at a steal? ebay? > > PAWN America? > > $20 for a cassette deck and you can party like it's 1999! > > Cheers, > florin > > -- > Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. > http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3319 - Release Date: 12/16/10 From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Dec 16 13:03:45 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:03:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:45 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol > 72,Issue 14") > > > On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, r j wrote: > > > 2.How about some fresh TCLUG tshirt gear? > > Would anyone be opposed to my selling of TCLUG gear online? > > I will be starting a eCommerce site and would like to include > some custom > > gear. > > Of course its completely open source "Stallminist". > > > I think TCLUG should make the profit from TCLUG gear sales, if TCLUG has > any use for money. If TCLUG can't use the money, maybe we should allow > anyone who wants to make/sell TCLUG shirts to do so. I guess that's the > way it is now unless TCLUG has a trademark and wants to enforce it. > > Mike BAD suggestion. TCLUG is not registered as an entity which can accept or use money. To do so would be illegal, and someone might get nailed. Discussed many times before. Last decision was to allow an individual to proceed selling stuff on his own with TCLUG name. Technically, there is no way to decide, since TCLUG has no type of legal definition or officers. Chuck From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Dec 16 13:19:12 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:19:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: <20101213111948.c8ec26bd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: First, most forensic and recovery work is done at a more specific device and driver level than Linux typically can "see". This knowledge and skill is usually acquired "on the job" or "in the clean room", so degrees and certs are usually irrelevant. Drives are complex computer systems of their own that manage space allocations an error encoding/decoding at maximum speeds that usually preclude the overhead of an operating system. Physical aspects of drives are critically important also, so software knowledge alone is just not relevant. Seagate was big on nitty gritty uses of SCSI for their high-end drives when I was doing drive chip development stuff about 8 years ago. Linux can be a useful tool or tool development environment for drive stuff, however. Most tools are made in C or C++ and are pretty specific, and many custom scripted operations are used. Second, to get a job in "IT" as a newbie who is "conversant" in Linux, I strongly recommend that you get some "informational interview" contacts in very big firms like Honeywell and Medtronic.. maybe Blue Cross and Thompson Reuters. Those have a large enough staff to hire perhaps a dozen "interns" quite often, and there are often temporary overloads or big projects on rush schedules that can use more "arms and legs" just to get basic fetching, setup, installing, and screening stuff done. Knowing ABOUT how those teams work and having your name and availability known by technical hiring folk will get you started. Once in, you'll probably be kept on. After just a little such experience, you can get a job anywhere. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason Hsu > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:20 AM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related > careers > > > I am seeking a position as a computer forensic/recovery > specialist. (I would appreciate any leads at Kroll Ontrack.) > The world of Linux opened up a world that was completely > invisible to me in my Windows-only days. I now know that a Linux > live CD can be used to rescue data from an unbootable Windows > installation. I also know about the various forensic/recovery > live CDs and even started the forensic edition of Swift Linux. > > As a result of working on Swift Linux, I now have experience with > Bash scripts. > > Are there other career paths I should consider? I've heard that > I should consider becoming a systems administrator. What do you > think of this career? What are the best ways I can get relevant > experience? (I'm thinking along the lines of setting up an old > computer at home as a firewall or server.) > > Are there other career paths I should consider? > > -- > Jason Hsu > Creator of Swift Linux > http://www.swiftlinux.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Dec 16 13:34:05 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:34:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet In-Reply-To: <4D09705D.8020604@jameskaufman.org> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of James Kaufman > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:50 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet > > > On 12/13/2010 11:54 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > > I have some ISA cards, but don't recall ever seeing a PCI type > with the BNC > > coax connector. > > Also have one or more Linksys router/adapter boxes that breaks > out coax to > > CAT-5 > > > > Chuck > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of James Kaufman > >> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:12 AM > >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> Subject: [tclug-list] Desperately Seeking Ethernet > >> > >> > >> Does anyone have a PCI enet card in their junk drawer that supports > >> 10base-2 (coax) connections? > >> > >> If you have one, let me know how much you want for it and where I would > >> have to go to pick it up. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > > I did some work for a company back in the 80's that was still using > 10Base5 Ethernet. I had never seen it before and was amazed that it > worked at all. > > JMK The original IEEE Ethernet ran on 1/2" 50 ohm coax. That's where it all came from. Technology marches on, however. You may soon be wondering how any wire could work as fiber optics takes over network interconnects as component prices drop to par with CAT5, etc. I'm glad to see that wireless Morse and thermionic valves have been replaced :-) Chuck From eric.schultz at mchsi.com Thu Dec 16 13:49:45 2010 From: eric.schultz at mchsi.com (Eric Schultz) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:49:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: <699388138.300261292528599976.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Message-ID: <768487912.301771292528985201.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Hello, I am not an expert, and generally only chirp in on social things, not technical issues. I do not work in the computer field, have a computer background, building, repairing, and I use Linux exclusively, I have taken Linux Admin 1 and 2, Windows Admin 1 and 2, along with several networking courses. I use Ubuntu, Cento's, Fedora, and Suse at home. I emailed with Barry about this very subject, as I wanted to work with the BCA doing Law Enforcment Forensics. He has a free manuel that I thought was ok. Linux does offer some fairly good things forensic tools, but I agree with Chuck, the level of skill shouldn't be for the laymen, but expert...its not forensics if you smash and break what you are looking at. here is his pdf. http://www.rootsecure.net/content/downloads/pdf/forensic_guide_to_linux.pdf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Cole" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:19:12 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers First, most forensic and recovery work is done at a more specific device and driver level than Linux typically can "see". This knowledge and skill is usually acquired "on the job" or "in the clean room", so degrees and certs are usually irrelevant. Drives are complex computer systems of their own that manage space allocations an error encoding/decoding at maximum speeds that usually preclude the overhead of an operating system. Physical aspects of drives are critically important also, so software knowledge alone is just not relevant. Seagate was big on nitty gritty uses of SCSI for their high-end drives when I was doing drive chip development stuff about 8 years ago. Linux can be a useful tool or tool development environment for drive stuff, however. Most tools are made in C or C++ and are pretty specific, and many custom scripted operations are used. Second, to get a job in "IT" as a newbie who is "conversant" in Linux, I strongly recommend that you get some "informational interview" contacts in very big firms like Honeywell and Medtronic.. maybe Blue Cross and Thompson Reuters. Those have a large enough staff to hire perhaps a dozen "interns" quite often, and there are often temporary overloads or big projects on rush schedules that can use more "arms and legs" just to get basic fetching, setup, installing, and screening stuff done. Knowing ABOUT how those teams work and having your name and availability known by technical hiring folk will get you started. Once in, you'll probably be kept on. After just a little such experience, you can get a job anywhere. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason Hsu > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:20 AM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related > careers > > > I am seeking a position as a computer forensic/recovery > specialist. (I would appreciate any leads at Kroll Ontrack.) > The world of Linux opened up a world that was completely > invisible to me in my Windows-only days. I now know that a Linux > live CD can be used to rescue data from an unbootable Windows > installation. I also know about the various forensic/recovery > live CDs and even started the forensic edition of Swift Linux. > > As a result of working on Swift Linux, I now have experience with > Bash scripts. > > Are there other career paths I should consider? I've heard that > I should consider becoming a systems administrator. What do you > think of this career? What are the best ways I can get relevant > experience? (I'm thinking along the lines of setting up an old > computer at home as a firewall or server.) > > Are there other career paths I should consider? > > -- > Jason Hsu > Creator of Swift Linux > http://www.swiftlinux.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 14:24:35 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:24:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LPI Message-ID: Tony: Thank you for correcting me I was unaware of the levels of LPIC certification. Linux rules I have an internship I am at now working on a red hat server for eCommerce. I am learning more Sql and PHP,smarty and javascript tools as well. There is noting like the real thing to show you how much you don't know :D Apache mods are coming in my future when I get some more time to research them. Ron, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101216/dd4ed580/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Dec 16 14:30:49 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:30:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Forensics, sysadmin, and other Linux-related careers In-Reply-To: <768487912.301771292528985201.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Eric Schultz > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:50 PM > > .... I emailed with Barry about this very subject, as I wanted > to work with the BCA doing Law Enforcs forensic tools, but I > agree with Chuck, the level of skill shouldn't be for the laymen, > but expert...its not forensics if you smash and break what you > are looking at. I did NOT mean "expert" in any sense of book learning, but from a more hands-on and detailed level of working with the hardware, sectoring schemes, track "seek" schemes, and so on, usually in hex representations. Quite a bit of graduate degree technical background is needed to actually understand and "do" PRML encoding and the various kinds of encryption, BUT forensics is typically dealing with KNOWN PRODUCTION MODELS AND SYSTEMS, so it's more a "fixit" approach using "canned algorithms" in software tools than one of "doing the math". Much of the work is at detailed levels of looking at and searching for hex patterns of encrypted track and sector info that has been scrambled (fragmented) by the normal chaos of allocation management that probably gone astray and/or become corrupted. Much of the problem is to reconstuct a collection of scattered sectors from assorted tracks that comprise a data record that is encrypted itself. For me, this is unbelievably detailed and boring, but for some it's a delight of abstract puzzle play. My interests are all over the HW/SW map and include graduate levels in several disciplines.. I prefer to develop the schemes and messes that forensic guys may try to unravel :-) My point is ONLY "different stokes for different folks"! Knowledge of Linux seems to me like becoming an expert in making wooden pencils in order to become a writer: Linux is a tool that may be useful, but a ball-point pen or word processor might be just as useful for writing that forensics book... ie, for "doing" drive forensics that Knoll Ontrack is best known for. Being a test helper or manufacturing helper at Seagate who wears a clean room "bunny suit" may be more direct experience for Knoll Ontrack work. Forensics at data levels in systems that work perfectly is a different matter and I think THAT requires LOTS of both book learning and experience that is mostly hardware-independent. Chuck From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 15:15:13 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:15:13 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > BAD suggestion. ?TCLUG is not registered as an entity which can accept or > use money. ?To do so would be illegal, and someone might get nailed. On what basis are you calling it illegal? As far as I can tell, it is merely impossible - you can't regulate flow of money through something which does not exist. > Discussed many times before. ?Last decision was to allow an individual to > proceed selling stuff on his own with TCLUG name. ?Technically, there is no > way to decide, since TCLUG has no type of legal definition or officers. There's also no infringement possibility that I can see, since I see no evidence of there being a legal claim anywhere to the "TCLUG" name. - Tony From nmarkon at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 16:40:29 2010 From: nmarkon at gmail.com (Noah Markon) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:40:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM Message-ID: Hey folks -- I got a beefy new laptop for my wife for Christmas. I'd like to install linux on it, but it's officially her laptop, and I don't think she would appreciate me installed a new distro every other week to play around. My experiences with VM software haven't been all that great, but I haven't given it a try for a while now. Does any one have any suggestions, tips or advice for installing/running different flavors of linux in a VM on Windows 7. What software should I use, different settings, etc..? Thanks! Noah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101216/8b10ecda/attachment.htm From florin at iucha.net Thu Dec 16 17:01:24 2010 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:01:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101216230123.GU2306@styx.iucha.org> Hey Noah, On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 04:40:29PM -0600, Noah Markon wrote: > I got a beefy new laptop for my wife for Christmas. I'd like to install > linux on it, but it's officially her laptop, and I don't think she > would appreciate me installed a new distro every other week to play > around. My experiences with VM software haven't been all that great, but I > haven't given it a try for a while now. Does any one have any suggestions, > tips or advice for installing/running different flavors of linux in a VM on > Windows 7. What software should I use, different settings, etc..? Check out VirtualBox: http://www.virtualbox.org/ It runs fine on Linux and Windows and supports many OSs and flavors. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101216/a76c548a/attachment.pgp From jglouisjr at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 17:15:51 2010 From: jglouisjr at gmail.com (James Louis) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:15:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: VirtualBox is excellent On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Noah Markon wrote: > Hey folks -- > > > I got a beefy new laptop for my wife for Christmas. I'd like to install > linux on it, but it's officially her laptop, and I don't think she > would appreciate me installed a new distro every other week to play > around. My experiences with VM software haven't been all that great, but I > haven't given it a try for a while now. Does any one have any suggestions, > tips or advice for installing/running different flavors of linux in a VM on > Windows 7. What software should I use, different settings, etc..? > > Thanks! > > Noah > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- ?Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn?t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.? ? Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101216/e582652e/attachment.htm From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 17:17:02 2010 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:17:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Noah Markon cried from the depths of the abyss... > I got a beefy new laptop for my wife for Christmas. I'd like to install linux on it, but it's officially her laptop, and I don't think she > would?appreciate?me installed a new distro every other week to play around.?My experiences with VM software haven't been all that great, > but I haven't given it a try for a while now.?Does any one have any suggestions, tips or advice for installing/running different flavors > of linux in a VM on Windows 7. What software should I use, different settings, etc..? > If you don't mind having to pay a little, I am a fan of VMWare Workstation. I use the heck out of it at work (same setup that you are looking at). Works well. From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Dec 16 17:16:18 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:16:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tony Yarusso > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:15 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, > Vol 72, Issue 14") > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > > BAD suggestion. TCLUG is not registered as an entity which can > accept or > > use money. To do so would be illegal, and someone might get nailed. > > On what basis are you calling it illegal? As far as I can tell, it is > merely impossible - you can't regulate flow of money through something > which does not exist. Someone or some thing sells. Requires license or registration to sell in an "established manner". Got license? Various fed and state taxes would be due, including sales tax. Illegal not to pay. Use of USPS may not be OK either unless the rest is. Probably more than these ways to be illegal. Usually wise not to hold up lightning rods in lightning prone areas like here. Not complying is like posting discriminatory stuff.. lotsa folks would file complaints and cheer, as we have just seen :-) > > > Discussed many times before. Last decision was to allow an > individual to > > proceed selling stuff on his own with TCLUG name. Technically, > there is no > > way to decide, since TCLUG has no type of legal definition or officers. > There's also no infringement possibility that I can see, since I see > no evidence of there being a legal claim anywhere to the "TCLUG" name. > > - Tony That's true. Sellers would be non-exclusive since neither the name nor any logos have any protection at all. Chuck From wdtj at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 18:53:08 2010 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:53:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <780929.67740.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I looked at VirtualBox, but wasn't too impressed. The install forced all my NIC to disconnect (expected, but still a nuisance). No provision to run services in the background (that I found). VMWare Server has been my choice at work for about a year now. I'm running several Centos, Suse, several copies of Server2k3 and 2k8, Vista, Win7, and even Solaris x86. I run it on a 4gb Intel dual core Dell system. It's got a few ideocyncracies, but I've been able to work around them. The Linux version of Server is not quite ready for prime time. If your not using the exact version of Centos 5.2 (without update) it's got a few problems. The browser based admin works great. VMWare Server is free. Actually I like it better than VMWare Workstation. I also have an ESXi (now VMWare Hypervisor) on a system at home. Nice but no support for WinRAID or software RAID that I've found. This system is still being deployed so I have a lot to learn. --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis ________________________________ From: Mr. B-o-B To: TCLUG Mailing List Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 5:17:02 PM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM Noah Markon cried from the depths of the abyss... > I got a beefy new laptop for my wife for Christmas. I'd like to install linux >on it, but it's officially her laptop, and I don't think she > would appreciate me installed a new distro every other week to play around. My >experiences with VM software haven't been all that great, > but I haven't given it a try for a while now. Does any one have any >suggestions, tips or advice for installing/running different flavors > of linux in a VM on Windows 7. What software should I use, different settings, >etc..? > If you don't mind having to pay a little, I am a fan of VMWare Workstation. I use the heck out of it at work (same setup that you are looking at). Works well. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No > provision to run services in the background (that I found). > > VMWare Server has been my choice at work for about a year now. I'm > running several Centos, Suse, several copies of Server2k3 and 2k8, > Vista, Win7, and even Solaris x86. I run it on a 4gb Intel dual core > Dell system. It's got a few ideocyncracies, but I've been able to > work around them. The Linux version of Server is not quite ready for > prime time. If your not using the exact version of Centos 5.2 > (without update) it's got a few problems. The browser based admin > works great. VMWare Server is free. Actually I like it better than > VMWare Workstation. > VMware Server isn't really supported anymore so don't hold your breath for updates. > I also have an ESXi (now VMWare Hypervisor) on a system at home. Nice > but no support for WinRAID or software RAID that I've found. This > system is still being deployed so I have a lot to learn. > ESXi doesn't support any type of software RAID. To get storage redundancy, you'll use multi-path FC, iSCSI, NFS. If you don't have shared storage, each of your hard drives can be formatted VMFS so each has a data store; that way for every VM, you can create a virtual disk on each data store and use software RAID in your guest OS. ESXi is a simple and quick rebuild if that fails and there's very few configuration files to backup. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101216/c922c74a/attachment-0001.htm From r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 19:56:11 2010 From: r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com (Robert) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:56:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> Sole proprietors can sell in an "established manner", in many cases requiring no "license or registration", there are no state of federal taxes on most clothing or prepackaged food, and if it WERE illegal to ship shirts USPS, there is always UPS and Fedex. ... and if there is no formal organization to complain, you can't be infringing on their rights. My advice - Consult an attorney, not Chuck. without On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 17:16 -0600, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tony Yarusso > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:15 PM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, > > Vol 72, Issue 14") > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > BAD suggestion. TCLUG is not registered as an entity which can > > accept or > > > use money. To do so would be illegal, and someone might get nailed. > > > > On what basis are you calling it illegal? As far as I can tell, it is > > merely impossible - you can't regulate flow of money through something > > which does not exist. > > Someone or some thing sells. Requires license or registration to sell in an "established manner". Got license? Various fed and state taxes would be due, including sales tax. Illegal not to pay. Use of USPS may not be OK either unless the rest is. Probably more than these ways to be illegal. Usually wise not to hold up lightning rods in lightning prone areas like here. Not complying is like posting discriminatory stuff.. lotsa folks would file complaints and cheer, as we have just seen :-) > > > > > > > Discussed many times before. Last decision was to allow an > > individual to > > > proceed selling stuff on his own with TCLUG name. Technically, > > there is no > > > way to decide, since TCLUG has no type of legal definition or officers. > > > > There's also no infringement possibility that I can see, since I see > > no evidence of there being a legal claim anywhere to the "TCLUG" name. > > > > - Tony > > > That's true. Sellers would be non-exclusive since neither the name nor any logos have any protection at all. > > > Chuck > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Dec 16 20:30:11 2010 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 02:30:11 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM In-Reply-To: <4D0AB9FC.6020106@umn.edu> References: <780929.67740.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4D0AB9FC.6020106@umn.edu> Message-ID: <546389800-1292553014-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1305374238-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Vmware workstation works great on Ubuntu I have running on my workstation with my old winxp boxed virtualized. With unity mode I can run my old winxp apps as of they were native in Ubuntu. I've never ran vmware on a windows host so I can't comment there but ESXi is not ideal for non-servers as various ports like usb and serial don't really work too well. Also I doubt there is much 3D accelerating in ESXi as compared to vmware workstation. Never used virtual box so I can't comment there. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Elvedin Trnjanin Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:16:44 To: TCLUG Mailing List Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From samael.anon at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 20:42:44 2010 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:42:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] nic card and flat panel monitor needed Message-ID: my nic card doesn't seem to support windows 7. also my monitor went to he double toothpicks. does anyone in the minneapolis (south) area have any extras sitting around? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101216/15f5a973/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Dec 16 20:47:57 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:47:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:56 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, > Vol 72, Issue 14") > > > Sole proprietors can sell in an "established manner", in many cases > requiring no "license or registration", there are no state of federal > taxes on most clothing or prepackaged food, and if it WERE illegal to > ship shirts USPS, there is always UPS and Fedex. > > ... and if there is no formal organization to complain, you can't be > infringing on their rights. > > My advice - Consult an attorney, not Chuck. You know some of the story, but doesn't seem you know a whole picture of any of this. There are no exemptions for sole proprietors (or others) from income taxes unless registrations and certain filings are made so you are not actually correct. While one may not get caught, it's not legal, and is just as potentially incendiary as posting a job announcement somebody considers discriminatory. I would expect that laws about shipping goods or tax evasion techniques apply similarly for UPS and FedEx as for USPS. I never suggested that you or I be consulted on this. Suggesting tax evasion marks your expertise in this. I've run several businesses with over ten years history and consulted attorneys as well as accountants: I've BTDT, can you say the same? Chuck From mjb at umn.edu Thu Dec 16 20:52:01 2010 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:52:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] nic card and flat panel monitor needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just so happen to have two 17" LCD monitors in South Minneapolis. No NICs though. On Dec 16, 2010 8:47 PM, "Samael" wrote: > my nic card doesn't seem to support windows 7. also my monitor went to he > double toothpicks. > does anyone in the minneapolis (south) area have any extras sitting around? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101216/b331baf4/attachment.htm From johntrammell at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 21:11:07 2010 From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John Trammell) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:11:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] nic card and flat panel monitor needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have an Intel 10/100 nic you can have if you want. From johntrammell at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 21:12:30 2010 From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John Trammell) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:12:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: References: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> Message-ID: Voting to end this thread. From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 21:13:33 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:13:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: References: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> Message-ID: That's it. I'm making some fucking t-shirts. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert >> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:56 PM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, >> Vol 72, Issue 14") >> >> >> Sole proprietors can sell in an "established manner", in many cases >> requiring no "license or registration", there are no state of federal >> taxes on most clothing or prepackaged food, and if it WERE illegal to >> ship shirts USPS, there is always UPS and Fedex. >> >> ... and if there is no formal organization to complain, you can't be >> infringing on their rights. >> >> My advice - Consult an attorney, not Chuck. > > You know some of the story, but doesn't seem you know a whole picture of any > of this. ?There are no exemptions for sole proprietors (or others) from > income taxes unless registrations and certain filings are made so you are > not actually correct. ?While one may not get caught, it's not legal, and is > just as potentially incendiary as posting a job announcement somebody > considers discriminatory. ?I would expect that laws about shipping goods or > tax evasion techniques apply similarly for UPS and FedEx as for USPS. ?I > never suggested that you or I be consulted on this. ?Suggesting tax evasion > marks your expertise in this. ?I've run several businesses with over ten > years history and consulted attorneys as well as accountants: I've BTDT, can > you say the same? > > > Chuck > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Dec 16 21:26:20 2010 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:26:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: References: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> Message-ID: <4D0AD85C.5050306@beer.tclug.org> On 12/16/2010 9:12 PM, John Trammell wrote: > Voting to end this thread. Seconded, Mr. Trammell. Jima From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Dec 16 21:32:23 2010 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:32:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") (off-list reply) In-Reply-To: References: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> Message-ID: <4D0AD9C7.4010509@beer.tclug.org> On 12/16/2010 9:13 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > That's it. I'm making some fucking t-shirts. Then expect an audit, courtesy of Mr. Why-Aren't-We-A-Legal-Entity. ;-P Jima From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Dec 16 22:03:54 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:03:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") (off-list reply) In-Reply-To: <4D0AD9C7.4010509@beer.tclug.org> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jima > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:32 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > > On 12/16/2010 9:13 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > > That's it. I'm making some fucking t-shirts. > > Then expect an audit, courtesy of Mr. Why-Aren't-We-A-Legal-Entity. ;-P > > Jima Wrong idea: I only pointed out that this *is* a nonentity. Wouldn't presume there's enough collective gumption or moxie to actually do the community things folks keep proposing as if an org like an IEEE or ACM. Good group, but a nonentity. Others would do the crusading trying to right presumed wrongs, probably in reaction to competition to be the biggest money loser :-) Back to erudite discussion of CAT5 versus coax... Chuck From r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 22:40:32 2010 From: r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com (Robert) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:40:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1292560832.8387.63.camel@robert> Yes Chuck, I have BTDT. I have been starting, building and selling businesses since 1968. (Is that more than 10 years?) I also worked as a troubleshooter for Casselbery and Associates, a turn-around company for businesses that were failing. They are out of business now because they didn't pay their taxes. (So I guess I do know SOMETHING about tax issues.) I sure don't know everything, but then I don't claim to. I do know more than you claim I do. I also know that I don't have to insult other people to make myself appear/feel smarter than I am, and that people who do that are quickly identified as the pathetic miscreants they are. If I did want to insult you ddhowever, I might talk about my youngest son who would say something like "Chuck must be a successful farmer, because he sure is great at spreading manure." For two reasons, I'm not going to waste time sparring with you. 1) I'm sure that others don't appreciate it. 2) I can't stand the smell. On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 20:47 -0600, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:56 PM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, > > Vol 72, Issue 14") > > > > > > Sole proprietors can sell in an "established manner", in many cases > > requiring no "license or registration", there are no state of federal > > taxes on most clothing or prepackaged food, and if it WERE illegal to > > ship shirts USPS, there is always UPS and Fedex. > > > > ... and if there is no formal organization to complain, you can't be > > infringing on their rights. > > > > My advice - Consult an attorney, not Chuck. > > You know some of the story, but doesn't seem you know a whole picture of any > of this. There are no exemptions for sole proprietors (or others) from > income taxes unless registrations and certain filings are made so you are > not actually correct. While one may not get caught, it's not legal, and is > just as potentially incendiary as posting a job announcement somebody > considers discriminatory. I would expect that laws about shipping goods or > tax evasion techniques apply similarly for UPS and FedEx as for USPS. I > never suggested that you or I be consulted on this. Suggesting tax evasion > marks your expertise in this. I've run several businesses with over ten > years history and consulted attorneys as well as accountants: I've BTDT, can > you say the same? > > > Chuck > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com Thu Dec 16 22:41:08 2010 From: r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com (Robert) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:41:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: References: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> Message-ID: <1292560868.8387.64.camel@robert> Go for it! On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 21:13 -0600, Erik Mitchell wrote: > That's it. I'm making some fucking t-shirts. > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert > >> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:56 PM > >> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, > >> Vol 72, Issue 14") > >> > >> > >> Sole proprietors can sell in an "established manner", in many cases > >> requiring no "license or registration", there are no state of federal > >> taxes on most clothing or prepackaged food, and if it WERE illegal to > >> ship shirts USPS, there is always UPS and Fedex. > >> > >> ... and if there is no formal organization to complain, you can't be > >> infringing on their rights. > >> > >> My advice - Consult an attorney, not Chuck. > > > > You know some of the story, but doesn't seem you know a whole picture of any > > of this. There are no exemptions for sole proprietors (or others) from > > income taxes unless registrations and certain filings are made so you are > > not actually correct. While one may not get caught, it's not legal, and is > > just as potentially incendiary as posting a job announcement somebody > > considers discriminatory. I would expect that laws about shipping goods or > > tax evasion techniques apply similarly for UPS and FedEx as for USPS. I > > never suggested that you or I be consulted on this. Suggesting tax evasion > > marks your expertise in this. I've run several businesses with over ten > > years history and consulted attorneys as well as accountants: I've BTDT, can > > you say the same? > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Dec 16 23:11:40 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:11:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: <1292560832.8387.63.camel@robert> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:41 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, > Vol 72, Issue 14") > > > If I did want to insult you ddhowever, I might talk about my youngest > son who would say something like "Chuck must be a successful farmer, > because he sure is great at spreading manure." > > For two reasons, I'm not going to waste time sparring with you. > 1) I'm sure that others don't appreciate it. > 2) I can't stand the smell. If that's the only world you know, enjoy it and its smell. Not mine. Chuck From samael.anon at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 00:46:23 2010 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 00:46:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] nic card and flat panel monitor needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: it seems i have found a work around for my nic. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:11 PM, John Trammell wrote: > I have an Intel 10/100 nic you can have if you want. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe it'll shut him up for a while. > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert > >> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:56 PM > >> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, > >> Vol 72, Issue 14") > >> > >> > >> Sole proprietors can sell in an "established manner", in many cases > >> requiring no "license or registration", there are no state of federal > >> taxes on most clothing or prepackaged food, and if it WERE illegal to > >> ship shirts USPS, there is always UPS and Fedex. > >> > >> ... and if there is no formal organization to complain, you can't be > >> infringing on their rights. > >> > >> My advice - Consult an attorney, not Chuck. > > > > You know some of the story, but doesn't seem you know a whole picture of > any > > of this. ?There are no exemptions for sole proprietors (or others) from > > income taxes unless registrations and certain filings are made so you are > > not actually correct. ?While one may not get caught, it's not legal, and > is > > just as potentially incendiary as posting a job announcement somebody > > considers discriminatory. ?I would expect that laws about shipping goods > or > > tax evasion techniques apply similarly for UPS and FedEx as for USPS. ?I > > never suggested that you or I be consulted on this. ?Suggesting tax > evasion > > marks your expertise in this. ?I've run several businesses with over ten > > years history and consulted attorneys as well as accountants: I've BTDT, > can > > you say the same? > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan <>< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101217/ee05fc1a/attachment.htm From eric.schultz at mchsi.com Fri Dec 17 07:54:45 2010 From: eric.schultz at mchsi.com (Eric Schultz) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:54:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <659405406.426291292594085919.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Not to fuel the fire, But I would take a couple as well... all of my children are learning Linux...if they are not part Penguin now, they soon will be. ----- Original Message ----- From: "swede" To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 2:21:11 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") Message: 8 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:13:33 -0600 From: Erik Mitchell < erik.mitchell at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, ? ? ? ?Vol 72, Issue 14") To: TCLUG Mailing List < tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: ? ? ? ?< AANLkTimb2QdQ5jgMwdEkRPCXzChPEj1YXCxBmGTJ47ne at mail.gmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That's it. I'm making some fucking t-shirts. I'll buy two, one for me and one for Chuck.? Maybe it'll shut him up for a while. ? On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Chuck Cole < cncole at earthlink.net > wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org ]On Behalf Of Robert >> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:56 PM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, >> Vol 72, Issue 14") >> >> >> Sole proprietors can sell in an "established manner", in many cases >> requiring no "license or registration", there are no state of federal >> taxes on most clothing or prepackaged food, and if it WERE illegal to >> ship shirts USPS, there is always UPS and Fedex. >> >> ... and if there is no formal organization to complain, you can't be >> infringing on their rights. >> >> My advice - Consult an attorney, not Chuck. > > You know some of the story, but doesn't seem you know a whole picture of any > of this. ?There are no exemptions for sole proprietors (or others) from > income taxes unless registrations and certain filings are made so you are > not actually correct. ?While one may not get caught, it's not legal, and is > just as potentially incendiary as posting a job announcement somebody > considers discriminatory. ?I would expect that laws about shipping goods or > tax evasion techniques apply similarly for UPS and FedEx as for USPS. ?I > never suggested that you or I be consulted on this. ?Suggesting tax evasion > marks your expertise in this. ?I've run several businesses with over ten > years history and consulted attorneys as well as accountants: I've BTDT, can > you say the same? > > > Chuck > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."? - Ronald Reagan ?<>< _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It had no problems running Fedora & Ubuntu, though Flash performance in Hulu was kind of bad. Free if anyone wants it... -- +++++++++++++++++ Michael Berkowski Minitex / MnLINK Linux Systems Administrator and Programmer University of Minnesota 612.625.8736 mjb at umn.edu PGP Public key: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~berk0081/pgp/pubkey.asc +++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't find much information on this error, one reason I read is that apache needs to be running as root for itk to work but it is running as root as far as I can tell. Another says something about cross uid requests from the same connection and I have no idea how that would be happening. They're load balanced with a Barracuda Load Balancer, no idea on the model but I'm thinking maybe there's something different in the setup for these than the others, maybe the load balancer is leaving connections open and using them for multiple purposes as a way to be more efficient0 They load balance two Moodle vhosts, this is the only load balanced setup that has two vhosts, the others are all single site so maybe the two are fighting amongst each other, but I also have a few shared single apache servers from the base clone that run 20+ sites on itk but without the load balancer. 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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Yaron wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Samael wrote: > > > it seems i have found a work around for my nic. > > Do you still need a flat-panel monitor? > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101217/6fb56bb9/attachment-0001.htm From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Fri Dec 17 12:15:50 2010 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Johnson, Troy.A (MDH)) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:15:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Apache ITK Errors - was RE: tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A79CDD441C0204EA1D73D3FC5C065D506A4CD633A@MNMAIL04.ead.state.mn.us> Scott, Are these SELinux errors? Are your virtual hosts are accessing/creating files in a directory you created? If so, you may have to create some policies for them to get the errors to go away. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Troy --- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:52:44 -0600 From: "Scott Downing" Subject: [tclug-list] Apache ITK Errors To: Message-ID: <7D5F5E8B99ED1F4EAB6A5EC9F0D8CCA80115E105 at erdc-mail.erdc.k12.mn.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So a pair of my Ubuntu load balanced apache setups which runs apache2-mpm-itk has been getting "[warn] (itkmpm: pid=29155 uid=1003) itk_post_read(): initgroups(): Operation not permitted" messages rather constantly, every few minutes. There's two web servers in this case and both are getting this error. These are VMWare clones of a base setup which I have running in other places with more activity and none of them have ever gotten this error. I can't find much information on this error, one reason I read is that apache needs to be running as root for itk to work but it is running as root as far as I can tell. Another says something about cross uid requests from the same connection and I have no idea how that would be happening. They're load balanced with a Barracuda Load Balancer, no idea on the model but I'm thinking maybe there's something different in the setup for these than the others, maybe the load balancer is leaving connections open and using them for multiple purposes as a way to be more efficient0 They load balance two Moodle vhosts, this is the only load balanced setup that has two vhosts, the others are all single site so maybe the two are fighting amongst each other, but I also have a few shared single apache servers from the base clone that run 20+ sites on itk but without the load balancer. I'm out of ideas, anyone have any suggestions? From nesius at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 12:43:06 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:43:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") (off-list reply) In-Reply-To: <4D0AD9C7.4010509@beer.tclug.org> References: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> <4D0AD9C7.4010509@beer.tclug.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Jima wrote: > On 12/16/2010 9:13 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > > That's it. I'm making some fucking t-shirts. > > Then expect an audit, courtesy of Mr. Why-Aren't-We-A-Legal-Entity. ;-P > > Jima > > I want a G-d Fearing TCLUG Linux T-Shirt with encryption algorithms implemented in C++ on it. Is that legal? -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101217/79c767c8/attachment.htm From bijoy.anose at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 12:54:22 2010 From: bijoy.anose at gmail.com (Bijoy Anose) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:54:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") (off-list reply) In-Reply-To: References: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> <4D0AD9C7.4010509@beer.tclug.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Jima wrote: >> >> On 12/16/2010 9:13 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> > That's it. I'm making some fucking t-shirts. >> >> ?Then expect an audit, courtesy of Mr. Why-Aren't-We-A-Legal-Entity. ;-P >> >> ? ? ?Jima >> > > I want a G-d Fearing TCLUG Linux T-Shirt with encryption algorithms > implemented in C++ on it. > > Is that legal? > > -Rob I'm sure you meant to say GNU/Linux.. *ducks* From tclug at beitsahour.net Fri Dec 17 12:54:23 2010 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:54:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") (off-list reply) In-Reply-To: References: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> <4D0AD9C7.4010509@beer.tclug.org> Message-ID: > > I want a G-d Fearing TCLUG Linux T-Shirt with encryption algorithms > implemented in C++ on it. > > Is that legal? I want to know what a G-d is? how do you even pronounce that? and whats so fearful about it? From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Dec 17 12:57:02 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:57:02 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") (off-list reply) In-Reply-To: References: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> <4D0AD9C7.4010509@beer.tclug.org> Message-ID: <8FC4E569-D804-4C28-8B3D-747AAB75570F@me.com> I think you can do whatever you want to on cafepress.com Ryan Coleman On Dec 17, 2010, at 12:43, Robert Nesius wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Jima wrote: > On 12/16/2010 9:13 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > > That's it. I'm making some fucking t-shirts. > > Then expect an audit, courtesy of Mr. Why-Aren't-We-A-Legal-Entity. ;-P > Jima > > I want a G-d Fearing TCLUG Linux T-Shirt with encryption algorithms implemented in C++ on it. > > Is that legal? > > -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Dec 17, 2010, at 12:54, Munir Nassar wrote: >> >> I want a G-d Fearing TCLUG Linux T-Shirt with encryption algorithms >> implemented in C++ on it. >> >> Is that legal? > > I want to know what a G-d is? how do you even pronounce that? and > whats so fearful about it? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Fri Dec 17 13:23:39 2010 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:23:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") (off-list reply) In-Reply-To: References: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert><4D0AD9C7.4010509@beer.tclug.org> Message-ID: <1292613819.1449.1410893495@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:54 -0600, "Munir Nassar" wrote: > > > > I want a G-d Fearing TCLUG Linux T-Shirt with encryption algorithms > > implemented in C++ on it. > > > > Is that legal? > > I want to know what a G-d is? how do you even pronounce that? and > whats so fearful about it? You haven't seen Raiders of the Lost Ark? From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 13:49:08 2010 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:49:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] selling TCLUG gear (was "tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14") (off-list reply) In-Reply-To: References: <1292550971.6690.34.camel@robert> <4D0AD9C7.4010509@beer.tclug.org> Message-ID: Robert Nesius cried from the depths of the abyss... > I want a G-d Fearing TCLUG Linux T-Shirt with encryption algorithms implemented in C++ on it.? > > Is that legal? > > -Rob? > The encryption might be subject to State Department export regulations. As long as you don't leave the country wearing it, you should be OK. Mr. B-o-B From jucziz6 at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 14:37:26 2010 From: jucziz6 at gmail.com (James) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:37:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] fwtmp Message-ID: Does anyone know which packages contains fwtmp for Redhat? Thanks From kc0iog at gmail.com Fri Dec 17 17:20:28 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:20:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] fwtmp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:37 PM, James wrote: > Does anyone know which packages contains fwtmp for Redhat? Have you tried 'yum provides fwtmp'? I don't have access to a RHEL/CentOS box at the moment, otherwise I'd tell you :-) Brian From wdtj at yahoo.com Sat Dec 18 14:05:11 2010 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:05:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM In-Reply-To: References: <780929.67740.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <132824.66033.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yea, that would be a good way to describe it. I develop network applications that run on different OS. At one time I might be running a server on Centos, Active Directory on WS2k3, and a client on XP. The AD machine I would just bring up and run in the background unless I need to make some user property changes, same with the server. Now, I just wish I could find an AIX/PowerPC and Solaris/SPARC VM system. --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis ________________________________ From: Robert Nesius To: TCLUG Mailing List Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:47:48 PM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Wayne Johnson wrote: I looked at VirtualBox, but wasn't too impressed. The install forced all my NIC to disconnect (expected, but still a nuisance). No provision to run services in the background (that I found). > Are you talking about running virtual machines as services? Not sure what exactly you meant.... -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101218/58f5062a/attachment.htm From swaite at sbn-services.com Sat Dec 18 18:13:40 2010 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:13:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM Message-ID: <1292717620.4d0d4e349f9f9@g3.sbn-services.com> As for running VMs as a service in the background, then I would suggest VMWare Server 2.0. I initially thought that version 2.0 was a complete and utter failure using the web interface, however people soon learned you can use the Vsphere/ESXi client to connect to Server v2. If you are then using the Vsphere client you can then shut down the internal webserver that VMWare runs to manage the VMs and it really has a decent memory footprint. Here is a link to some instructions on using the VSphere client: http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/accessing-vmware-server-2-with-vsphere-client-the-unsupported-way.html I have a machine that was non ESXi compliant, so I had to use Windows 2003 as the host. Stripped down to only necessary services I could easily run 2x Windows 2003 AD servers and one Linux VM under version 2.0. All are set to automatic load upon windows start, so if the machine is shut down it just takes a couple of minutes longer to load everything up. Other than that it works flawlessly. I might add, if you are looking at running ESXi, do ignore the VMWare Hardware Comparability list. There are really only two things you need to run ESXi either 3.5 or 4. That is a compliant NIC and storage adapter. You can install 3.5 on IDE drives, but need SCSI to create a datastore. Both ESXi 3.5 and 4.0 can be run off of a USB flash drive, in fact that is what we run our ESXi servers on. I have a test machine that is a HP d530 desktop that runs 3.5 that uses an old Adapatec 2940 card, which are a dime a dozen now. At Saturday, 18-12-2010 on 14:05 Wayne Johnson wrote: Yea, that would be a good way to describe it.? I develop network applications that run on different OS.? At one time I might be running a server on Centos, Active Directory on WS2k3, and a client on XP.? The AD machine I would just bring up and run in the background unless I need to make some user property changes, same with the server.? Now, I just wish I could find an AIX/PowerPC and Solaris/SPARC VM system. ? --- Wayne Johnson,???????????? | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N.????????? | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003???????????? | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis ------------------------- FROM: Robert Nesius TO: TCLUG Mailing List SENT: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:47:48 PM SUBJECT: Re: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Wayne Johnson wrote: I looked at VirtualBox, but wasn't too impressed.? The install forced all my NIC to disconnect (expected, but still a nuisance).? No provision to run services in the background (that I found).? Are you talking about running virtual machines as services??? Not sure what exactly you meant....? -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101218/2c030a5f/attachment.htm From nesius at gmail.com Sat Dec 18 19:57:30 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:57:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running linux from a Windows VM In-Reply-To: <132824.66033.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <780929.67740.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <132824.66033.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Wayne Johnson wrote: > Yea, that would be a good way to describe it. I develop network > applications that run on different OS. At one time I might be running a > server on Centos, Active Directory on WS2k3, and a client on XP. The AD > machine I would just bring up and run in the background unless I need to > make some user property changes, same with the server. > > Now, I just wish I could find an AIX/PowerPC and Solaris/SPARC VM system. > I still don't understand your criticism of virtual box. I use it to run Ubuntu inside a VM and have no issues with "backgrounding", etc... both within the VM and in terms of the VM playing nice with the rest of my XP environment. But I sense the issue is that I am not quite grasping a detail of your operating model. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101218/3049d977/attachment.htm From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Sat Dec 18 23:20:54 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 23:20:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Downloading firmware for a Cisco IP phone Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have an older Cisco CP-7941G IP phone, which I bought last year intending to use with an Asterisk project. I'm now getting back around to working on that, and to proceed I need to get a firmware update from the Cisco website. However, Cisco requires that I have a Technical Support Services Agreement in order to download any software from their website. I don't have one. I suspect that I could get what I need through the reseller that I bought the phone from, however I thought I'd check here first to see if anyone has access to this sort of thing. What I'm looking for is the latest release of the SIP firmware for the CP-7941G: http://www.cisco.com/cisco/software/release.html?mdfid=280083379&catid=278875240&softwareid=282074288&release=9.1(1)SR1&rellifecycle=&relind=AVAILABLE&reltype=all Can anyone help me out? Thanks, Erik -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Sun Dec 19 14:41:43 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:41:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 26 VM/virtualbox Message-ID: Wayne, I agree with rob on this. I have run server2003 inside virtual box with active directory, vpn, IIS, and, dns. It runs a client xp fine. What do you need for your network that virtual box cant handle? The question is why in the world would you ever run a windows server at all? and to answer "Now, I just wish I could find an AIX/PowerPC and Solaris/SPARC VM system." http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ bochs will emulate a x86 processor and then you can run what ever you want. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101219/f03c8249/attachment.htm From erikerik at gmail.com Sun Dec 19 16:06:41 2010 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:06:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Downloading firmware for a Cisco IP phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > > What I'm looking for is the latest release of the SIP firmware for the CP-7941G: > Can anyone help me out? There are some helpful links on voip-info for these phones: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+phone+cisco+79xx Does the phone currently have the SIP image on it or is it still the default SCCP image? If the images linked on that page don't work, I'm pretty sure there will be no way for you to legally upgrade without a support contract from Cisco. Sucks, I know, but that's the way Cisco rolls on nearly all of their gear. In fact, in most cases when purchasing secondhand/refurb Cisco gear, it's actually illegal to use it without purchasing a software image from them (even if the unit came with working software). -Erik From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 22:23:05 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:23:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Losing network freedoms Message-ID: Late Monday, a majority of the FCC's commissioners indicated that they're going to vote with Chairman Julius Genachowski for a toothless Net Neutrality rule. According to all reports, the rule, which will be voted on during tomorrow's FCC meeting, falls drastically short of earlier pledges by President Obama and the FCC Chairman to protect the free and open Internet. The rule is so riddled with loopholes that it's become clear that this FCC chairman crafted it with the sole purpose of winning the endorsement of AT&T and cable lobbyists, and not defending the interests of the tens of millions of Internet users. *Welcome to AT&T's Internet* For the first time in history of telecommunications law the FCC has given its stamp of approval to online discrimination. Instead of a rule to protect Internet users' freedom to choose, the Commission has opened the door for broadband payola - letting phone and cable companies charge steep tolls to favor the content and services of a select group of corporate partners, relegating everyone else to the cyber-equivalent of a winding dirt road. Instead of protecting openness on wireless Internet devices like the iPhone and Droid, the Commission has exempted the mobile Internet from Net Neutrality protections. This move enshrines Verizon and AT&T as gatekeepers to the expanding world of mobile Internet access, allowing them to favor their own applications while blocking, degrading or de-prioritizing others. Instead of re-establishing the FCC's authority to act as a consumer watchdog over the Internet, it places the agency's authority on a shaky and indefensible legal footing -- giving ultimate control over the Internet to a small handful of carriers. -- Yuk makes me sick corporate only internet. Thats where we are heading. Still working on my own pirate Wimax network. We need a lug wan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Links: ------ [1] http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9201818/Net_neutrality_plan_has_the_votes_at_FCC?taxonomyId=16 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101220/e515199d/attachment.htm From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 06:18:31 2010 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 06:18:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Losing network freedoms In-Reply-To: <1292908737.4d1038c1c5e1b@g3.sbn-services.com> References: <1292908737.4d1038c1c5e1b@g3.sbn-services.com> Message-ID: <4D109B17.8050602@gmail.com> Hilarious Sean. New AT&T branding- we're now Obamattnet! It's too bad small net neutrality friendly companies don't and won't have much opportunity to compete in this market either. :/ *Jeremy MountainJohnson* jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On 12/20/2010 11:18 PM, Sean Waite wrote: > I am sorry, this looked like an interesting read. But unfortunately > TCLUG has not paid for the premium service fees to Comcast, therefore > I only get the first few lines. Rest should be arriving sometime next > week, then I will be sure to respond. > > > > > Sean Waite > > > > > At Monday, 20-12-2010 on 22:23 r j wrote: > > > Late Monday, a majority of the FCC's commissioners indicated that > they're going to vote with Chairman Julius Genachowski > for > a toothless Net Neutrality rule. > > According > to........................................................... > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Tue Dec 21 12:30:31 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:30:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 28 net nutrality Message-ID: So how much bandwidth is taken up by cable sending 1000+ channels witch no one watches. Why not just connect to a isp server to stream the shows you want to watch? (this message transfer speed -5 because there is no corporate code in the header packet) ,RJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101221/2144a6d4/attachment.htm From pcutler at gnome.org Tue Dec 21 13:25:59 2010 From: pcutler at gnome.org (Paul Cutler) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:25:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 28 net nutrality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The latest cable technologies are on demand - it's why the latest Comcast upgrade requires a set top box for every TV now for almost all the channels. They're using a switching technology so when a user changes channels it then connects rather than an always-on system for all channels. Paul On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:30 PM, r j wrote: > So how much bandwidth is taken up by cable sending 1000+ channels witch no > one watches. > Why not just connect to a isp server to stream the shows you want to watch? > (this message transfer speed -5 because there is no corporate code in the > header packet) > ,RJ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Tue Dec 21 14:13:47 2010 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:13:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 28 net nutrality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6073B7396@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Paul Cutler wrote: > The latest cable technologies ... > requires a set top box for every TV ... > for almost all the channels. I got mine: Cisco DTA30. The first 2 are free, $1.99/month for each additional unit. Does the FCC ruling that cable companies MUST continue to carry the analog signal until at least 2012 only apply to the over-the-air broadcast channels? BTW, the Xfinity iPad app (supposed to let you remotely change channels on any TV in your home) doesn't work in Minneapolis. I called Comcast and learned that feature is "not available in your market." No idea when or if. Shaq ain't got MY back! From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 12:43:19 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:43:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Back to the air for me. Any one else Interested in metro wide public Wimaxx? ,RJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Just changing the subject line so people can follow. > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: > > fcc opend up bandwidth for public use. we could make a wireless mesh > network consisting of multiple antena and start our own internet. > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:43 PM, r j wrote: > >> Back to the air for me. >> Any one else Interested in metro wide public Wimaxx? >> ,RJ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Samael wrote: > seems to be the same subject to me. it is an alternative to what ron johnson had suggested. thank you for your advice though. i will keep it in mind next time i want to change the subject. > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Just changing the subject line so people can follow. > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: > >> fcc opend up bandwidth for public use. we could make a wireless mesh network consisting of multiple antena and start our own internet. >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:43 PM, r j wrote: >> Back to the air for me. >> Any one else Interested in metro wide public Wimaxx? >> ,RJ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: Just changing the subject line so people can follow. On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: fcc opend up bandwidth for public use.? we could make a wireless mesh network consisting of multiple antena and start our own internet. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:43 PM, r j wrote: Back to the air for me. Any one else Interested in metro wide public Wimaxx? ,RJ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101222/cd3fcb0b/attachment.htm From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 17:09:07 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:09:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: > fcc opend up bandwidth for public use.? we could make a wireless mesh > network consisting of multiple antena and start our own internet. Yes, technically you *could*, but just how much usefulness would a network with just you on it have? No access to your bank, Freenode, mn-linux.org, Google, etc. "Critical mass" and "economy of scale" are pretty important concepts here. - Tony From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Dec 22 17:33:18 2010 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:33:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1293060798.18292.275.camel@sysadmin3a> It could be he meant internet (note: lowercase ' i ' ) to mean its basic term of network of networks, which could also have one or more paths to the (big ' I ') Internet. A large scale wireless network is difficult to manage. Also licensed frequencies are so much better to use in terms of signal interference but they cost non-zero dollars. I am not suggesting you quit trying but it will take a serious effort (read: lots of time) to actually deploy and maintain on an ongoing basis. This project is only passively interesting to me personally but I have no problems offering up moral support and assist on any periodic troubleshooting requests sent via the list here. On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:09 -0600, Tony Yarusso wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: > > fcc opend up bandwidth for public use. we could make a wireless mesh > > network consisting of multiple antena and start our own internet. > > Yes, technically you *could*, but just how much usefulness would a > network with just you on it have? No access to your bank, Freenode, > mn-linux.org, Google, etc. "Critical mass" and "economy of scale" are > pretty important concepts here. > > - Tony > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101222/95b766be/attachment.htm From tompoe at meltel.net Wed Dec 22 18:18:35 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:18:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wimax [changing the subject line] In-Reply-To: <1293049017.4d125cb96b411@g3.sbn-services.com> References: <1293049017.4d125cb96b411@g3.sbn-services.com> Message-ID: <1293063515.9158.9.camel@localhost> Hi: Think about presenting the idea of a local broadband infrastructure to your local mayor. If the mayor likes the idea, the next step is to meet with his tech advisor. Open-mesh.com appears to sell wifi that each house can use to establish community wide local broadband infrastructure without Internet access. Units priced at $29 per house, one-time fee. With the local broadband infrastructure in place, the city can coordinate with ISP that wants to gain access to the broadband infrastructure to provide affordable pricing. If not, then the community can set up virtual world, and work within the community. This "last mile" is actively legislated as illegal at the community and state level. The local hospital can gain access to the infrastructure for telemedicine programs in return for affordable Internet access. Grocery stores can offer "branded" network services, etc. Since each community connects to other communities through WiMAX, it doesn't take long to connect a state, and bypass ISP/Phone/Cable thugs. Legally, your mayor will be told quickly by the telecoms that you can't do this community initiative. No need for you to pay a lawyer, yet. Happy Holidays, Tom Poe, Eden Valley, MN On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 14:16 -0600, Sean Waite wrote: > Who do I call for legal advice? > > Sean Waite > swaite at sbn-services.com > (612) 669-8858 > > > > At Wednesday, 22-12-2010 on 14:09 Ryan Coleman wrote: > I had " Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, > Issue 29" which is normal for "r j" to not actually give his > emails a subject when he replies in digest mode. > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Samael wrote: > > > seems to be the same subject to me. it is an alternative to > > what ron johnson had suggested. thank you for your advice > > though. i will keep it in mind next time i want to change > > the subject. > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Coleman > > wrote: > > Just changing the subject line so people can > > follow. > > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: > > > > > fcc opend up bandwidth for public use. we could > > > make a wireless mesh network consisting of > > > multiple antena and start our own internet. > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:43 PM, r j > > > wrote: > > > Back to the air for me. > > > Any one else Interested in metro wide > > > public Wimaxx? > > > ,RJ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 18:41:01 2010 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:41:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: <1293060798.18292.275.camel@sysadmin3a> References: <1293060798.18292.275.camel@sysadmin3a> Message-ID: you have to start somewhere. i am not saying it will be the world wide web in a day. just a new way to do things that may have the ability to be less controlled for a while. yes, it may be far fetched but when i graduated high school in 1988 i had never heard of the internet. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > It could be he meant internet (note: lowercase ' i ' ) to mean its basic > term of network of networks, which could also have one or more paths to the > (big ' I ') Internet. > > > A large scale wireless network is difficult to manage. Also licensed > frequencies are so much better to use in terms of signal interference but > they cost non-zero dollars. > I am not suggesting you quit trying but it will take a serious effort > (read: lots of time) to actually deploy and maintain on an ongoing basis. > This project is only passively interesting to me personally but I have no > problems offering up moral support and assist on any periodic > troubleshooting requests sent via the list here. > > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:09 -0600, Tony Yarusso wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: > > fcc opend up bandwidth for public use. we could make a wireless mesh > > network consisting of multiple antena and start our own internet. > > Yes, technically you *could*, but just how much usefulness would a > network with just you on it have? No access to your bank, Freenode,mn-linux.org, Google, etc. "Critical mass" and "economy of scale" are > pretty important concepts here. > > - Tony > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101222/0fab835a/attachment.htm From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 18:43:59 2010 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:43:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: <1293060798.18292.275.camel@sysadmin3a> Message-ID: i am also only passively interested. i have to give credit to tom on this list for the idea. just trying to throw an angle out there for rj. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Samael wrote: > you have to start somewhere. i am not saying it will be the world wide web > in a day. just a new way to do things that may have the ability to be less > controlled for a while. yes, it may be far fetched but when i graduated > high school in 1988 i had never heard of the internet. > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > >> It could be he meant internet (note: lowercase ' i ' ) to mean its basic >> term of network of networks, which could also have one or more paths to the >> (big ' I ') Internet. >> >> >> A large scale wireless network is difficult to manage. Also licensed >> frequencies are so much better to use in terms of signal interference but >> they cost non-zero dollars. >> I am not suggesting you quit trying but it will take a serious effort >> (read: lots of time) to actually deploy and maintain on an ongoing basis. >> This project is only passively interesting to me personally but I have no >> problems offering up moral support and assist on any periodic >> troubleshooting requests sent via the list here. >> >> >> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:09 -0600, Tony Yarusso wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: >> > fcc opend up bandwidth for public use. we could make a wireless mesh >> > network consisting of multiple antena and start our own internet. >> >> Yes, technically you *could*, but just how much usefulness would a >> network with just you on it have? No access to your bank, Freenode,mn-linux.org, Google, etc. "Critical mass" and "economy of scale" are >> pretty important concepts here. >> >> - Tony >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101222/eccf059b/attachment.htm From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 18:46:41 2010 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:46:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wimax [changing the subject line] In-Reply-To: <1293063515.9158.9.camel@localhost> References: <1293049017.4d125cb96b411@g3.sbn-services.com> <1293063515.9158.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: wow. that is some awesome advice. i was sort of kidding, but with this advice i just may take it on as a project. it would look good on my resume when i graduate from college. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM, tom wrote: > Hi: Think about presenting the idea of a local broadband infrastructure > to your local mayor. If the mayor likes the idea, the next step is to > meet with his tech advisor. Open-mesh.com appears to sell wifi that > each house can use to establish community wide local broadband > infrastructure without Internet access. Units priced at $29 per house, > one-time fee. With the local broadband infrastructure in place, the > city can coordinate with ISP that wants to gain access to the broadband > infrastructure to provide affordable pricing. If not, then the > community can set up virtual world, and work within the community. > > This "last mile" is actively legislated as illegal at the community and > state level. The local hospital can gain access to the infrastructure > for telemedicine programs in return for affordable Internet access. > Grocery stores can offer "branded" network services, etc. Since each > community connects to other communities through WiMAX, it doesn't take > long to connect a state, and bypass ISP/Phone/Cable thugs. > > Legally, your mayor will be told quickly by the telecoms that you can't > do this community initiative. No need for you to pay a lawyer, yet. > Happy Holidays, > Tom Poe, Eden Valley, MN > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 14:16 -0600, Sean Waite wrote: > > Who do I call for legal advice? > > > > Sean Waite > > swaite at sbn-services.com > > (612) 669-8858 > > > > > > > > At Wednesday, 22-12-2010 on 14:09 Ryan Coleman wrote: > > I had " Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, > > Issue 29" which is normal for "r j" to not actually give his > > emails a subject when he replies in digest mode. > > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Samael wrote: > > > > > seems to be the same subject to me. it is an alternative to > > > what ron johnson had suggested. thank you for your advice > > > though. i will keep it in mind next time i want to change > > > the subject. > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Coleman > > > wrote: > > > Just changing the subject line so people can > > > follow. > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: > > > > > > > fcc opend up bandwidth for public use. we could > > > > make a wireless mesh network consisting of > > > > multiple antena and start our own internet. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:43 PM, r j > > > > wrote: > > > > Back to the air for me. > > > > Any one else Interested in metro wide > > > > public Wimaxx? > > > > ,RJ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101222/0e680013/attachment-0001.htm From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 18:51:27 2010 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:51:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wimax [changing the subject line] In-Reply-To: References: <1293049017.4d125cb96b411@g3.sbn-services.com> <1293063515.9158.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: i should have known it was you with all the great advice. since it was you who gave me the idea. i gave you credit on the other thread by the way, well sort of, i couldn't remember your last name. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Samael wrote: > wow. that is some awesome advice. i was sort of kidding, but with this > advice i just may take it on as a project. it would look good on my resume > when i graduate from college. > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM, tom wrote: > >> Hi: Think about presenting the idea of a local broadband infrastructure >> to your local mayor. If the mayor likes the idea, the next step is to >> meet with his tech advisor. Open-mesh.com appears to sell wifi that >> each house can use to establish community wide local broadband >> infrastructure without Internet access. Units priced at $29 per house, >> one-time fee. With the local broadband infrastructure in place, the >> city can coordinate with ISP that wants to gain access to the broadband >> infrastructure to provide affordable pricing. If not, then the >> community can set up virtual world, and work within the community. >> >> This "last mile" is actively legislated as illegal at the community and >> state level. The local hospital can gain access to the infrastructure >> for telemedicine programs in return for affordable Internet access. >> Grocery stores can offer "branded" network services, etc. Since each >> community connects to other communities through WiMAX, it doesn't take >> long to connect a state, and bypass ISP/Phone/Cable thugs. >> >> Legally, your mayor will be told quickly by the telecoms that you can't >> do this community initiative. No need for you to pay a lawyer, yet. >> Happy Holidays, >> Tom Poe, Eden Valley, MN >> >> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 14:16 -0600, Sean Waite wrote: >> > Who do I call for legal advice? >> > >> > Sean Waite >> > swaite at sbn-services.com >> > (612) 669-8858 >> > >> > >> > >> > At Wednesday, 22-12-2010 on 14:09 Ryan Coleman wrote: >> > I had " Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, >> > Issue 29" which is normal for "r j" to not actually give his >> > emails a subject when he replies in digest mode. >> > >> > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Samael wrote: >> > >> > > seems to be the same subject to me. it is an alternative to >> > > what ron johnson had suggested. thank you for your advice >> > > though. i will keep it in mind next time i want to change >> > > the subject. >> > > >> > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Ryan Coleman >> > > wrote: >> > > Just changing the subject line so people can >> > > follow. >> > > >> > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: >> > > >> > > > fcc opend up bandwidth for public use. we could >> > > > make a wireless mesh network consisting of >> > > > multiple antena and start our own internet. >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:43 PM, r j >> > > > wrote: >> > > > Back to the air for me. >> > > > Any one else Interested in metro wide >> > > > public Wimaxx? >> > > > ,RJ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101222/59c3af04/attachment.htm From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 19:07:04 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:07:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wimaxx & considering using analog TV spectrum. Message-ID: I am curious about the unused analog TV signal to deliver wireless internet access. This article http://www.taranfx.com/wireless-internet-on-analog-tv-antennacaught my attention. {* Australia?s CSIRO has announced that it had succeeded in prototyping the transmission of wireless broadband Internet over spectrum reserved for television broadcasts. This breakthrough in wireless technology that will allow multiple users to upload content at the same time while maintaining a data transfer rate of *12 megabits* per second (Mbps), all over their old analog TV aerial, a good time to use it when you are actually moving away from analog TV. The technology is named *Ngara*, and it allows up to 6 users to occupy the equivalent spectrum space of one television channel (7 megahertz) and has a spectral efficiency of *20 bits per second per hertz*. If these numbers confuse you, here?s something more simplistic ? Ngara can handle up to 3 times that of similar technology and maintains a data rate more than 10 times the industry minimum standard. Ngara is capable of delivering wireless data servicesto houses within a 20 kilometer radius of a broadcast tower. What makes this recent development interesting is how the technology coincides with the phasing out of analog TV by the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy. However, there are tradeoffs. The trouble with Broadband-over-analog is that many of today?s existing analog terrestrial broadcast towers are not being maintained in the conversion to digital. The question is whether those broadcast towers will continue to transmit signals for wireless broadband, if not this technology would fail before even it impresses us. Another point to consider is cost and practical bandwidth. If its not better than satellite, then it?s unlikely to take the home market by big margins. Ngara can achieve ? symmetrical 12Mbps per 1000 homes?, which is of course nothing but a dialup connection. If Ngara can be made to scale like commercial GSM and WiMax systems, we can hope to see its usage to start in Australia, and spreading to the world. *} Would it be legal and possible to use in MN? Sincerest apologies about not editing subject lines properly. ,RJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101222/3d619ba0/attachment.htm From tompoe at meltel.net Wed Dec 22 19:20:45 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:20:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wimax [changing the subject line] In-Reply-To: References: <1293049017.4d125cb96b411@g3.sbn-services.com> <1293063515.9158.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1293067245.10267.11.camel@localhost> Samuel: Didn't realize you were a student. What's your major? St. Thomas is pretty far along with their virtual world exploration. I think they monetize some of what they do. If you can get a feasible WiMAX presentation in place, it becomes a natural for presenting to groups, neighborhoods, communities across the state. St. Thomas then sees a marketing tool for their work. Forget the Internet access, and focus on a 12 mile radius mesh network that communities can modify to fit their needs. Cost is attractive, even if it's a one-time fee for $50 per house. Broadband forever, and able to be operated and maintained by non-technical volunteers. Ypsilanti, Michigan does this. Check them out. I think they're still tied to Meraki. So, it's not as if this is not tried and tested stuff. I'll meet with you, and we can use a couple of my wifi units to get a mock up on small scale. Happy Holidays, Tom On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 18:51 -0600, Samael wrote: > i should have known it was you with all the great advice. since it > was you who gave me the idea. i gave you credit on the other thread > by the way, well sort of, i couldn't remember your last name. > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Samael wrote: > wow. that is some awesome advice. i was sort of kidding, but > with this advice i just may take it on as a project. it would > look good on my resume when i graduate from college. > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM, tom > wrote: > Hi: Think about presenting the idea of a local > broadband infrastructure > to your local mayor. If the mayor likes the idea, the > next step is to > meet with his tech advisor. Open-mesh.com appears to > sell wifi that > each house can use to establish community wide local > broadband > infrastructure without Internet access. Units priced > at $29 per house, > one-time fee. With the local broadband infrastructure > in place, the > city can coordinate with ISP that wants to gain access > to the broadband > infrastructure to provide affordable pricing. If not, > then the > community can set up virtual world, and work within > the community. > > This "last mile" is actively legislated as illegal at > the community and > state level. The local hospital can gain access to > the infrastructure > for telemedicine programs in return for affordable > Internet access. > Grocery stores can offer "branded" network services, > etc. Since each > community connects to other communities through WiMAX, > it doesn't take > long to connect a state, and bypass ISP/Phone/Cable > thugs. > > Legally, your mayor will be told quickly by the > telecoms that you can't > do this community initiative. No need for you to pay > a lawyer, yet. > Happy Holidays, > Tom Poe, Eden Valley, MN > > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 14:16 -0600, Sean Waite wrote: > > Who do I call for legal advice? > > > > Sean Waite > > swaite at sbn-services.com > > (612) 669-8858 > > > > > > > > At Wednesday, 22-12-2010 on 14:09 Ryan Coleman > wrote: > > I had " Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list > Digest, Vol 72, > > Issue 29" which is normal for "r j" to not > actually give his > > emails a subject when he replies in digest > mode. > > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Samael wrote: > > > > > seems to be the same subject to me. it is > an alternative to > > > what ron johnson had suggested. thank you > for your advice > > > though. i will keep it in mind next time > i want to change > > > the subject. > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Ryan > Coleman > > > wrote: > > > Just changing the subject line so > people can > > > follow. > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:17 PM, > Samael wrote: > > > > > > > fcc opend up bandwidth for > public use. we could > > > > make a wireless mesh network > consisting of > > > > multiple antena and start our > own internet. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:43 > PM, r j > > > > wrote: > > > > Back to the air for me. > > > > Any one else Interested > in metro wide > > > > public Wimaxx? > > > > ,RJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 19:35:24 2010 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:35:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wimaxx & considering using analog TV spectrum. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: that was what i was talking about. check with tom poe he has researched it considerably On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:07 PM, r j wrote: > I am curious about the unused analog TV signal to deliver wireless internet > access. > This article http://www.taranfx.com/wireless-internet-on-analog-tv-antennacaught my attention. > > {* > Australia?s CSIRO has announced that it had succeeded in prototyping the > transmission of wireless broadband Internet over spectrum reserved for > television broadcasts. This breakthrough in wireless technology that will > allow multiple users to upload content at the same time while maintaining a > data transfer rate of *12 megabits* per second (Mbps), all over their old > analog TV aerial, a good time to use it when you are actually moving away > from analog TV. > > The technology is named *Ngara*, and it allows up to 6 users to occupy the > equivalent spectrum space of one television channel (7 megahertz) and has a > spectral efficiency of *20 bits per second per hertz*. If these numbers > confuse you, here?s something more simplistic ? Ngara can handle up to 3 > times that of similar technology and maintains a data rate more than 10 > times the industry minimum standard. > > Ngara is capable of delivering wireless data servicesto houses within a 20 kilometer radius of a broadcast tower. > > What makes this recent development interesting is how the technology > coincides with the phasing out of analog TV by the Department of Broadband, > Communications and the Digital Economy. > > However, there are tradeoffs. The trouble with Broadband-over-analog is > that many of today?s existing analog terrestrial broadcast towers are not > being maintained in the conversion to digital. The question is whether those > broadcast towers will continue to transmit signals for wireless broadband, > if not this technology would fail before even it impresses us. > > Another point to consider is cost and practical bandwidth. If its not > better than satellite, then it?s unlikely to take the home market by big > margins. > > Ngara can achieve ? symmetrical 12Mbps per 1000 homes?, which is of course > nothing but a dialup connection. If Ngara can be made to scale like > commercial GSM and WiMax systems, we can hope to see its usage to start in > Australia, and spreading to the world. > > *} > Would it be legal and possible to use in MN? > > Sincerest apologies about not editing subject lines properly. > ,RJ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101222/13e5f245/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Dec 22 19:36:07 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:36:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: <1293060798.18292.275.camel@sysadmin3a> Message-ID: Is TCWUG (ie, wireless user group) a dead thing or a good place for wireless topics? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:33 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 29 It could be he meant internet (note: lowercase ' i ' ) to mean its basic term of network of networks, which could also have one or more paths to the (big ' I ') Internet. A large scale wireless network is difficult to manage. Also licensed frequencies are so much better to use in terms of signal interference but they cost non-zero dollars. I am not suggesting you quit trying but it will take a serious effort (read: lots of time) to actually deploy and maintain on an ongoing basis. This project is only passively interesting to me personally but I have no problems offering up moral support and assist on any periodic troubleshooting requests sent via the list here. On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:09 -0600, Tony Yarusso wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: > fcc opend up bandwidth for public use. we could make a wireless mesh > network consisting of multiple antena and start our own internet. Yes, technically you *could*, but just how much usefulness would a network with just you on it have? No access to your bank, Freenode, mn-linux.org, Google, etc. "Critical mass" and "economy of scale" are pretty important concepts here. - Tony _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 19:39:30 2010 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:39:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wimax [changing the subject line] In-Reply-To: <1293067245.10267.11.camel@localhost> References: <1293049017.4d125cb96b411@g3.sbn-services.com> <1293063515.9158.9.camel@localhost> <1293067245.10267.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: get ahold of rj on the list he is interested in it also. currently computer science but soon to merge with bioinformatics. you recently moved to minnesota how is that going? if this works out with a few volunteers on the list we should get together and make a plan. this thread is heading in the right direction! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:20 PM, tom wrote: > Samuel: Didn't realize you were a student. What's your major? St. > Thomas is pretty far along with their virtual world exploration. I > think they monetize some of what they do. If you can get a feasible > WiMAX presentation in place, it becomes a natural for presenting to > groups, neighborhoods, communities across the state. St. Thomas then > sees a marketing tool for their work. Forget the Internet access, and > focus on a 12 mile radius mesh network that communities can modify to > fit their needs. Cost is attractive, even if it's a one-time fee for > $50 per house. Broadband forever, and able to be operated and > maintained by non-technical volunteers. Ypsilanti, Michigan does this. > Check them out. I think they're still tied to Meraki. So, it's not as > if this is not tried and tested stuff. I'll meet with you, and we can > use a couple of my wifi units to get a mock up on small scale. > Happy Holidays, > Tom > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 18:51 -0600, Samael wrote: > > i should have known it was you with all the great advice. since it > > was you who gave me the idea. i gave you credit on the other thread > > by the way, well sort of, i couldn't remember your last name. > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Samael wrote: > > wow. that is some awesome advice. i was sort of kidding, but > > with this advice i just may take it on as a project. it would > > look good on my resume when i graduate from college. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM, tom > > wrote: > > Hi: Think about presenting the idea of a local > > broadband infrastructure > > to your local mayor. If the mayor likes the idea, the > > next step is to > > meet with his tech advisor. Open-mesh.com appears to > > sell wifi that > > each house can use to establish community wide local > > broadband > > infrastructure without Internet access. Units priced > > at $29 per house, > > one-time fee. With the local broadband infrastructure > > in place, the > > city can coordinate with ISP that wants to gain access > > to the broadband > > infrastructure to provide affordable pricing. If not, > > then the > > community can set up virtual world, and work within > > the community. > > > > This "last mile" is actively legislated as illegal at > > the community and > > state level. The local hospital can gain access to > > the infrastructure > > for telemedicine programs in return for affordable > > Internet access. > > Grocery stores can offer "branded" network services, > > etc. Since each > > community connects to other communities through WiMAX, > > it doesn't take > > long to connect a state, and bypass ISP/Phone/Cable > > thugs. > > > > Legally, your mayor will be told quickly by the > > telecoms that you can't > > do this community initiative. No need for you to pay > > a lawyer, yet. > > Happy Holidays, > > Tom Poe, Eden Valley, MN > > > > > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 14:16 -0600, Sean Waite wrote: > > > Who do I call for legal advice? > > > > > > Sean Waite > > > swaite at sbn-services.com > > > (612) 669-8858 > > > > > > > > > > > > At Wednesday, 22-12-2010 on 14:09 Ryan Coleman > > wrote: > > > I had " Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list > > Digest, Vol 72, > > > Issue 29" which is normal for "r j" to not > > actually give his > > > emails a subject when he replies in digest > > mode. > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Samael wrote: > > > > > > > seems to be the same subject to me. it is > > an alternative to > > > > what ron johnson had suggested. thank you > > for your advice > > > > though. i will keep it in mind next time > > i want to change > > > > the subject. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Ryan > > Coleman > > > > wrote: > > > > Just changing the subject line so > > people can > > > > follow. > > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:17 PM, > > Samael wrote: > > > > > > > > > fcc opend up bandwidth for > > public use. we could > > > > > make a wireless mesh network > > consisting of > > > > > multiple antena and start our > > own internet. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:43 > > PM, r j > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Back to the air for me. > > > > > Any one else Interested > > in metro wide > > > > > public Wimaxx? > > > > > ,RJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101222/b3413e72/attachment-0001.htm From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 19:47:52 2010 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:47:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: <1293060798.18292.275.camel@sysadmin3a> Message-ID: cute On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > Is TCWUG (ie, wireless user group) a dead thing or a good place for > wireless topics? > > Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Justin Krejci > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:33 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 29 > > > It could be he meant internet (note: lowercase ' i ' ) to mean its basic > term of network of networks, which could also have one or more paths to the > (big ' I ') Internet. > > > A large scale wireless network is difficult to manage. Also licensed > frequencies are so much better to use in terms of signal interference but > they cost non-zero dollars. > I am not suggesting you quit trying but it will take a serious effort > (read: lots of time) to actually deploy and maintain on an ongoing basis. > This project is only passively interesting to me personally but I have no > problems offering up moral support and assist on any periodic > troubleshooting requests sent via the list here. > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:09 -0600, Tony Yarusso wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Samael wrote: > > fcc opend up bandwidth for public use. we could make a wireless mesh > > network consisting of multiple antena and start our own internet. > > Yes, technically you *could*, but just how much usefulness would a > network with just you on it have? No access to your bank, Freenode, > mn-linux.org, Google, etc. "Critical mass" and "economy of scale" are > pretty important concepts here. > > - Tony > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101222/070d8793/attachment.htm From tompoe at meltel.net Wed Dec 22 20:01:16 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:01:16 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wimaxx & considering using analog TV spectrum. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1293069676.10267.20.camel@localhost> Well, coat hanger gray-hoverman antennas have a range of up to 80 miles, for receiving over-the-air digital tv signals. Seems like there should be a way to utilize the antenna with a tuner, mythtv and mesh networks to move forward? Mythtv is still pretty geeky, but the tuner is the stumble for me. I read somewhere that next year might have affordable units. Anybody up on that side of things? Tom On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 19:35 -0600, Samael wrote: > that was what i was talking about. check with tom poe he has > researched it considerably > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:07 PM, r j wrote: > I am curious about the unused analog TV signal to deliver > wireless internet access. > This article > http://www.taranfx.com/wireless-internet-on-analog-tv-antenna > caught my attention. > > {* > Australia?s CSIRO has announced that it had succeeded in > prototyping the transmission of wireless broadband Internet > over spectrum reserved for television broadcasts. > This breakthrough in wireless technology that will allow > multiple users to upload content at the same time while > maintaining a data transfer rate of 12 megabits per second > (Mbps), all over their old analog TV aerial, a good time to > use it when you are actually moving away from analog TV. > > The technology is named Ngara, and it allows up to 6 users to > occupy the equivalent spectrum space of one television channel > (7 megahertz) and has a spectral efficiency of 20 bits per > second per hertz. If these numbers confuse you, here?s > something more simplistic ? Ngara can handle up to 3 times > that of similar technology and maintains a data rate more than > 10 times the industry minimum standard. > > Ngara is capable of delivering wireless data services to > houses within a 20 kilometer radius of a broadcast tower. > > What makes this recent development interesting is how the > technology coincides with the phasing out of analog TV by the > Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital > Economy. > > > However, there are tradeoffs. The trouble with > Broadband-over-analog is that many of today?s existing analog > terrestrial broadcast towers are not being maintained in the > conversion to digital. The question is whether those broadcast > towers will continue to transmit signals for wireless > broadband, if not this technology would fail before even it > impresses us. > > Another point to consider is cost and practical bandwidth. If > its not better than satellite, then it?s unlikely to take the > home market by big margins. > > Ngara can achieve ? symmetrical 12Mbps per 1000 homes?, which > is of course nothing but a dialup connection. If Ngara can be > made to scale like commercial GSM and WiMax systems, we can > hope to see its usage to start in Australia, and spreading to > the world. > > *} > > > Would it be legal and possible to use in MN? > > Sincerest apologies about not editing subject lines properly. > ,RJ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tompoe at meltel.net Wed Dec 22 20:12:09 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:12:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wimax [changing the subject line] In-Reply-To: References: <1293049017.4d125cb96b411@g3.sbn-services.com> <1293063515.9158.9.camel@localhost> <1293067245.10267.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1293070329.10267.30.camel@localhost> Thanks for asking. All settled in for the winter. Bioinformatics as in devices home bound patients use to monitor as part of hospital sponsored telemedicine programs? Bright future. Every hospital wants to be able to reach their market and provide telemedicine programs. "Branded networks" is huge potential. Haven't heard of any hospital connecting the dots between mesh networks in the community, though. I approached the hospital down in my small town in Iowa. They were using a form of telemedicine program for the veterans (PTSD) in the area. They were very receptive of the idea of upgrading to a mesh network that would let them expand their services to videoconferencing for $50 a house. They were hooked up to fiber optic at the state/national level. Their stumble was at the last mile point, and the mesh network approach sounded good to them. About that time, the mayor got a dress-down from Qwest, and everything stalled. Happy Holidays, Tom On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 19:39 -0600, Samael wrote: > get ahold of rj on the list he is interested in it also. currently > computer science but soon to merge with bioinformatics. you recently > moved to minnesota how is that going? if this works out with a few > volunteers on the list we should get together and make a plan. this > thread is heading in the right direction! > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:20 PM, tom wrote: > Samuel: Didn't realize you were a student. What's your > major? St. > Thomas is pretty far along with their virtual world > exploration. I > think they monetize some of what they do. If you can get a > feasible > WiMAX presentation in place, it becomes a natural for > presenting to > groups, neighborhoods, communities across the state. St. > Thomas then > sees a marketing tool for their work. Forget the Internet > access, and > focus on a 12 mile radius mesh network that communities can > modify to > fit their needs. Cost is attractive, even if it's a one-time > fee for > $50 per house. Broadband forever, and able to be operated and > maintained by non-technical volunteers. Ypsilanti, Michigan > does this. > Check them out. I think they're still tied to Meraki. So, > it's not as > if this is not tried and tested stuff. I'll meet with you, > and we can > use a couple of my wifi units to get a mock up on small scale. > Happy Holidays, > Tom > > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 18:51 -0600, Samael wrote: > > i should have known it was you with all the great advice. > since it > > was you who gave me the idea. i gave you credit on the > other thread > > by the way, well sort of, i couldn't remember your last > name. > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Samael > wrote: > > wow. that is some awesome advice. i was sort of > kidding, but > > with this advice i just may take it on as a > project. it would > > look good on my resume when i graduate from college. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM, tom > > > wrote: > > Hi: Think about presenting the idea of a > local > > broadband infrastructure > > to your local mayor. If the mayor likes the > idea, the > > next step is to > > meet with his tech advisor. Open-mesh.com > appears to > > sell wifi that > > each house can use to establish community > wide local > > broadband > > infrastructure without Internet access. > Units priced > > at $29 per house, > > one-time fee. With the local broadband > infrastructure > > in place, the > > city can coordinate with ISP that wants to > gain access > > to the broadband > > infrastructure to provide affordable > pricing. If not, > > then the > > community can set up virtual world, and work > within > > the community. > > > > This "last mile" is actively legislated as > illegal at > > the community and > > state level. The local hospital can gain > access to > > the infrastructure > > for telemedicine programs in return for > affordable > > Internet access. > > Grocery stores can offer "branded" network > services, > > etc. Since each > > community connects to other communities > through WiMAX, > > it doesn't take > > long to connect a state, and bypass > ISP/Phone/Cable > > thugs. > > > > Legally, your mayor will be told quickly by > the > > telecoms that you can't > > do this community initiative. No need for > you to pay > > a lawyer, yet. > > Happy Holidays, > > Tom Poe, Eden Valley, MN > > > > > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 14:16 -0600, Sean > Waite wrote: > > > Who do I call for legal advice? > > > > > > Sean Waite > > > swaite at sbn-services.com > > > (612) 669-8858 > > > > > > > > > > > > At Wednesday, 22-12-2010 on 14:09 Ryan > Coleman > > wrote: > > > I had " Subject: Re: [tclug-list] > tclug-list > > Digest, Vol 72, > > > Issue 29" which is normal for "r > j" to not > > actually give his > > > emails a subject when he replies > in digest > > mode. > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:47 PM, > Samael wrote: > > > > > > > seems to be the same subject to > me. it is > > an alternative to > > > > what ron johnson had suggested. > thank you > > for your advice > > > > though. i will keep it in mind > next time > > i want to change > > > > the subject. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, > Ryan > > Coleman > > > > wrote: > > > > Just changing the > subject line so > > people can > > > > follow. > > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:17 > PM, > > Samael wrote: > > > > > > > > > fcc opend up bandwidth > for > > public use. we could > > > > > make a wireless mesh > network > > consisting of > > > > > multiple antena and > start our > > own internet. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 > at 12:43 > > PM, r j > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Back to the > air for me. > > > > > Any one else > Interested > > in metro wide > > > > > public Wimaxx? > > > > > ,RJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Dec 22 20:31:07 2010 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:31:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wimax [changing the subject line] In-Reply-To: <1293070329.10267.30.camel@localhost> References: <1293049017.4d125cb96b411@g3.sbn-services.com> <1293063515.9158.9.camel@localhost> <1293067245.10267.11.camel@localhost> <1293070329.10267.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: bioinformatics i am shooting for genetics mixed with computer science. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:12 PM, tom wrote: > Thanks for asking. All settled in for the winter. > > Bioinformatics as in devices home bound patients use to monitor as part > of hospital sponsored telemedicine programs? Bright future. Every > hospital wants to be able to reach their market and provide telemedicine > programs. "Branded networks" is huge potential. Haven't heard of any > hospital connecting the dots between mesh networks in the community, > though. I approached the hospital down in my small town in Iowa. They > were using a form of telemedicine program for the veterans (PTSD) in the > area. They were very receptive of the idea of upgrading to a mesh > network that would let them expand their services to videoconferencing > for $50 a house. They were hooked up to fiber optic at the > state/national level. Their stumble was at the last mile point, and the > mesh network approach sounded good to them. About that time, the mayor > got a dress-down from Qwest, and everything stalled. > Happy Holidays, > Tom > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 19:39 -0600, Samael wrote: > > get ahold of rj on the list he is interested in it also. currently > > computer science but soon to merge with bioinformatics. you recently > > moved to minnesota how is that going? if this works out with a few > > volunteers on the list we should get together and make a plan. this > > thread is heading in the right direction! > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:20 PM, tom wrote: > > Samuel: Didn't realize you were a student. What's your > > major? St. > > Thomas is pretty far along with their virtual world > > exploration. I > > think they monetize some of what they do. If you can get a > > feasible > > WiMAX presentation in place, it becomes a natural for > > presenting to > > groups, neighborhoods, communities across the state. St. > > Thomas then > > sees a marketing tool for their work. Forget the Internet > > access, and > > focus on a 12 mile radius mesh network that communities can > > modify to > > fit their needs. Cost is attractive, even if it's a one-time > > fee for > > $50 per house. Broadband forever, and able to be operated and > > maintained by non-technical volunteers. Ypsilanti, Michigan > > does this. > > Check them out. I think they're still tied to Meraki. So, > > it's not as > > if this is not tried and tested stuff. I'll meet with you, > > and we can > > use a couple of my wifi units to get a mock up on small scale. > > Happy Holidays, > > Tom > > > > > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 18:51 -0600, Samael wrote: > > > i should have known it was you with all the great advice. > > since it > > > was you who gave me the idea. i gave you credit on the > > other thread > > > by the way, well sort of, i couldn't remember your last > > name. > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Samael > > wrote: > > > wow. that is some awesome advice. i was sort of > > kidding, but > > > with this advice i just may take it on as a > > project. it would > > > look good on my resume when i graduate from college. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM, tom > > > > > wrote: > > > Hi: Think about presenting the idea of a > > local > > > broadband infrastructure > > > to your local mayor. If the mayor likes the > > idea, the > > > next step is to > > > meet with his tech advisor. Open-mesh.com > > appears to > > > sell wifi that > > > each house can use to establish community > > wide local > > > broadband > > > infrastructure without Internet access. > > Units priced > > > at $29 per house, > > > one-time fee. With the local broadband > > infrastructure > > > in place, the > > > city can coordinate with ISP that wants to > > gain access > > > to the broadband > > > infrastructure to provide affordable > > pricing. If not, > > > then the > > > community can set up virtual world, and work > > within > > > the community. > > > > > > This "last mile" is actively legislated as > > illegal at > > > the community and > > > state level. The local hospital can gain > > access to > > > the infrastructure > > > for telemedicine programs in return for > > affordable > > > Internet access. > > > Grocery stores can offer "branded" network > > services, > > > etc. Since each > > > community connects to other communities > > through WiMAX, > > > it doesn't take > > > long to connect a state, and bypass > > ISP/Phone/Cable > > > thugs. > > > > > > Legally, your mayor will be told quickly by > > the > > > telecoms that you can't > > > do this community initiative. No need for > > you to pay > > > a lawyer, yet. > > > Happy Holidays, > > > Tom Poe, Eden Valley, MN > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 14:16 -0600, Sean > > Waite wrote: > > > > Who do I call for legal advice? > > > > > > > > Sean Waite > > > > swaite at sbn-services.com > > > > (612) 669-8858 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At Wednesday, 22-12-2010 on 14:09 Ryan > > Coleman > > > wrote: > > > > I had " Subject: Re: [tclug-list] > > tclug-list > > > Digest, Vol 72, > > > > Issue 29" which is normal for "r > > j" to not > > > actually give his > > > > emails a subject when he replies > > in digest > > > mode. > > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:47 PM, > > Samael wrote: > > > > > > > > > seems to be the same subject to > > me. it is > > > an alternative to > > > > > what ron johnson had suggested. > > thank you > > > for your advice > > > > > though. i will keep it in mind > > next time > > > i want to change > > > > > the subject. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, > > Ryan > > > Coleman > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Just changing the > > subject line so > > > people can > > > > > follow. > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:17 > > PM, > > > Samael wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > fcc opend up bandwidth > > for > > > public use. we could > > > > > > make a wireless mesh > > network > > > consisting of > > > > > > multiple antena and > > start our > > > own internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 > > at 12:43 > > > PM, r j > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Back to the > > air for me. > > > > > > Any one else > > Interested > > > in metro wide > > > > > > public Wimaxx? > > > > > > ,RJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota > > > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101222/18342a5a/attachment-0001.htm From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Dec 23 19:56:32 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:56:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I'd definitely be interested in talking about a mesh network as well, not only from a technical standpoint, but a business standpoint as well. > Kindly include me in your future discussions. > Cheers, > Matt ditto. From iipreca at hotmail.com Sun Dec 26 07:29:19 2010 From: iipreca at hotmail.com (J Georgius) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:29:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: I'm in too, put me on the list. Jesse > From: tclugl at whitleymott.net > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:56:32 -0600 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx > > > I'd definitely be interested in talking about a mesh network as well, not only from a technical standpoint, but a business standpoint as well. > > Kindly include me in your future discussions. > > Cheers, > > Matt > > ditto. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:29 AM, J Georgius wrote: > I'm in too, put me on the list. > > Jesse > > > From: tclugl at whitleymott.net > > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:56:32 -0600 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx > > > > > I'd definitely be interested in talking about a mesh network as well, > not only from a technical standpoint, but a business standpoint as well. > > > Kindly include me in your future discussions. > > > Cheers, > > > Matt > > > > ditto. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101226/73493594/attachment.htm From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 10:18:07 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:18:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a TCWUG list... I'm not sure if it's still functional. There was a discussion about WiMAXX and mesh networks last June/July (2009) that had participation of a number of TCLUG members. This seems like a Judean People's Front / People's Front of Judea problem to me. I propose focusing on defeating the Romans. (by that I mean, don't worry about what list you're on... just talk about what you want). -Erik On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Samael wrote: > seriously, let's get a tcwug going.? a cute comment that seems to have > matured into a realistic possibility. > > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:29 AM, J Georgius wrote: >> >> I'm in too, put me on the list. >> >> Jesse >> >> > From: tclugl at whitleymott.net >> > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:56:32 -0600 >> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx >> > >> > > I'd definitely be interested in talking about a mesh network as well, >> > > not only from a technical standpoint, but a business standpoint as well. >> > > Kindly include me in your future discussions. >> > > Cheers, >> > > Matt >> > >> > ditto. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Dec 26 10:41:07 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:41:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Going again, you mean. It exists and some of us still belong to that list also. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Chuck -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Samael Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:17 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx seriously, let's get a tcwug going. a cute comment that seems to have matured into a realistic possibility. On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:29 AM, J Georgius wrote: I'm in too, put me on the list. Jesse > From: tclugl at whitleymott.net > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:56:32 -0600 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx > > > I'd definitely be interested in talking about a mesh network as well, not only from a technical standpoint, but a business standpoint as well. > > Kindly include me in your future discussions. > > Cheers, > > Matt > > ditto. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101226/993ee6df/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Dec 26 10:55:10 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:55:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That listserv functions, and wireless is OT there. Was a very active group for several years. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik Mitchell > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:18 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx > > > There is a TCWUG list... I'm not sure if it's still functional. There > was a discussion about WiMAXX and mesh networks last June/July (2009) > that had participation of a number of TCLUG members. > > This seems like a Judean People's Front / People's Front of Judea > problem to me. I propose focusing on defeating the Romans. > > (by that I mean, don't worry about what list you're on... just talk > about what you want). > > -Erik There's such a thing as being "on topic" as is mentioned here often. The wireless topics usta belong in TCWUG so they didn't clutter and clog this list with OT stuff. Chuck From tompoe at meltel.net Sun Dec 26 10:59:36 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:59:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] list maintainer still around? Message-ID: <1293382776.29070.1.camel@localhost> What is the status of web site, organization. mail list? Thanks, Happy Holidays, Tom Poe, Eden Valley, MN From tompoe at meltel.net Sun Dec 26 11:16:06 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:16:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1293383766.29070.18.camel@localhost> Good point. Checked search engine, and web site for tcwug.org still up. Minnesota is a big state. If each community had a local broadband infrastructure, and each community could reach the next community, the state could be connected through a statewide network of local broadband infrastructure. There would be no Internet connection. The state, effectively would be one big "last mile" broadband infrastructure. Each community could operate and maintain their local broadband infrastructure with volunteers that would simply monitor and replace unplugged wifi units in each house. What short term strategy, mid-term strategy, long-term strategy gets the state connected? Recommended action: Identify group of tech smart folks who want to discuss what's needed for a small demo mesh network. Identify a lawyer, accountant, marketing, research department for the project. Charter the project. The project should be dedicated to dedicating all work to the public domain. Those who want to add value, e.g., provide access to the Internet, can place offers for access to each/all local broadband infrastructures, and communities can put out requests for proposals for each added value service desired. Tom On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 10:41 -0600, Chuck Cole wrote: > Going again, you mean. It exists and some of us still belong to that > list also. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Samael > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:17 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx > > > seriously, let's get a tcwug going. a cute comment that seems > to have matured into a realistic possibility. > > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:29 AM, J Georgius > wrote: > I'm in too, put me on the list. > > Jesse > > > From: tclugl at whitleymott.net > > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:56:32 -0600 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx > > > > > > > I'd definitely be interested in talking about a > mesh network as well, not only from a technical > standpoint, but a business standpoint as well. > > > Kindly include me in your future discussions. > > > Cheers, > > > Matt > > > > ditto. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Dec 26 11:34:12 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:34:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx In-Reply-To: <1293383766.29070.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of tom > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:16 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx > > > > Identify a lawyer, accountant, marketing, research department for the > project. No point in lawyer or accountant. These folks choose not to be registered or organized. Probably will not support any open non-profit structure. Start your own business. Chuck From tompoe at meltel.net Sun Dec 26 11:42:49 2010 From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:42:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1293385369.29070.19.camel@localhost> Sounds good. Tom On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 11:34 -0600, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of tom > > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:16 AM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [tcwug-list] WiMaxx > > > > > > > > Identify a lawyer, accountant, marketing, research department for the > > project. > > > No point in lawyer or accountant. These folks choose not to be registered > or organized. Probably will not support any open non-profit structure. > > Start your own business. > > > Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at real-time.com Mon Dec 27 12:23:35 2010 From: rick at real-time.com (Rick Tanner) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:23:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] list maintainer still around? In-Reply-To: <1293382776.29070.1.camel@localhost> References: <1293382776.29070.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4D18D9A7.2080903@real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/26/10 10:59 AM, tom wrote: > What is the status of web site, organization. mail list? Mailing list - still available, very low to no traffic lately. Web site - updated per traffic on the website. No updates lately due to very low to now traffic on the mailing list. Organization - still around, but inactive due to or as part of low to no traffic on the mailing list. - -- Rick Tanner | Phone : (952) 943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952) 943-8500 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEVAwUBTRjZp1wn8veVxBRBAQKztAf/SDrLSMi26GRZafmuSYbsAlJsXJ5LDVcm KOnWhPJwLO+v3eAVjhkeFzItTcwIe0i5zHnBiQOdo7fieJZ3bTdUWfRf1ZAhcef6 blqhc4n2ym5Qj6gxyDMeePTzL2ujFqxi5iqSfIstIm81h82+XA6YHjp9ZnEpmxgn 1krqUyS5p3YSMDOK9i16O+b5VwyK0rB17s2JdM5Ck7h9x9c4hDfDgiQMTli/l9FT FMKXMKEzXyVLfcR6p1b8yjDM4aBE2eWCikGNC29pluFWlLJKsucTVlXGvidGZ9Vv IICzc1xwPj7nbGEFOBYR4AbiW3cPHUbeT3s10VghSUsVLrpIdtYpFQ== =ljLe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stutterstutt at comcast.net Mon Dec 27 23:22:09 2010 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:22:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: unlocked GSM cell phone Message-ID: <4D197401.3010104@comcast.net> I am looking for an unlocked GSM cell phone (Sprint, AT&T or T-Mobile). I plan to use it in India and Germany by purchasing a pay-as-you-go SIM card. That's why the phone has to be unlocked; it has to work on any carrier, not just Sprint/ATT/TMobile. I don't want to spend a lot so it doesn't have to be anything recent. It just has to be unlocked and work, the battery needs to hold a charge for the day, and it needs to come with a wall or USB charger. If you have an old phone lying around that you're not using, please get in touch off-list. Thanks. -Jeff From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 27 23:42:15 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:42:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: unlocked GSM cell phone In-Reply-To: <4D197401.3010104@comcast.net> References: <4D197401.3010104@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Dec 2010, Jeff Nelson wrote: > I am looking for an unlocked GSM cell phone (Sprint, AT&T or T-Mobile). This is probably not SUPER helpful, but I don't believe Sprint are GSM. I think in the US only AT&T and T-Mobile are. I'd look on eBay, really. I'm seeing some By It Now for like $20, $30. -Yaron -- From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 05:57:07 2010 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 05:57:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: unlocked GSM cell phone In-Reply-To: References: <4D197401.3010104@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yaaron is correct, Sprint has only been CDMA, and they are not a good global phone company (I have them). I've seen some old Nextel phones use GSM, but not the newer ones. Jeremy MountainJohnson jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Yaron wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2010, Jeff Nelson wrote: > > > I am looking for an unlocked GSM cell phone (Sprint, AT&T or T-Mobile). > > This is probably not SUPER helpful, but I don't believe Sprint are GSM. I > think in the US only AT&T and T-Mobile are. > > I'd look on eBay, really. I'm seeing some By It Now for like $20, $30. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Dec 28 08:34:43 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:34:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Operation: Filter Torrent Message-ID: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> I have a colleague that owns a coffee shop and he gives his customers Comcast's fastest internet (he's a really nice guy). But he's got some clients who leech him to share movies and TV shows and he's been getting between 10-30 letters per week from Comcast about these shares. He's spent many hundreds of dollars on wifi routers to try and filter without any luck. I'm thinking a micro computer with dual NICs and running everything through a firewall to filter out and/or monitor traffic. What are you your recommendations? I'm a FreeBSD person by history but I build webservers, not filter/monitor firewalls. I'm not against new OSes, either, just be prepared for to give some guiding advice from time to time. Thanks, Ryan Coleman From tlunde at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 08:41:12 2010 From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:41:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: unlocked GSM cell phone Message-ID: Jeff - Make sure you get a quad-band GSM phone. I have an unlocked t-mobile USA phone that will not run on t-mobile Germany's network & found that out the hard way. Thomas On Dec 27, 2010 11:26 PM, "Jeff Nelson" wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101228/4e73c4ca/attachment.htm From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 08:46:30 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:46:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Operation: Filter Torrent In-Reply-To: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> References: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> Message-ID: Check out PFSense (http://www.pfsense.org/). It's a firewall/router distribution based on FreeBSD. You can run it on a regular PC or on embedded systems. I've used this board several times: http://www.mini-box.com/Alix-2B-Board-3-LAN-3-MINI-PCI_4?sc=8&category=1361 and have been very happy with what it can do. PFSense is going to give you every opportunity to manage the traffic going through it. I'm not sure how hard it would be to get the result you want, but I know it's possible. I have a couple of friends (one who is on this list) who have done more with pfsense than I have and would probably be able to answer questions more in depth. -Erik On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I have a colleague that owns a coffee shop and he gives his customers Comcast's fastest internet (he's a really nice guy). > > But he's got some clients who leech him to share movies and TV shows and he's been getting between 10-30 letters per week from Comcast about these shares. He's spent many hundreds of dollars on wifi routers to try and filter without any luck. > > I'm thinking a micro computer with dual NICs and running everything through a firewall to filter out and/or monitor traffic. What are you your recommendations? I'm a FreeBSD person by history but I build webservers, not filter/monitor firewalls. > > I'm not against new OSes, either, just be prepared for to give some guiding advice from time to time. > > Thanks, > Ryan Coleman > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From rclarksean at arvig.net Tue Dec 28 08:35:51 2010 From: rclarksean at arvig.net (Randy Clarksean) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:35:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: unlocked GSM cell phone In-Reply-To: References: <4D197401.3010104@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001901cba69c$86a43ad0$93ecb070$@net> Unless I am missing something here ... there are Samsung phones for Sprint that have GSM capabilities for international use ... I think they are the Ace and the Intrepid? Flying by memory now ... they both have the SIM card in the back you can swap out for an international number if you like ... Randy -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy MountainJohnson Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:57 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] WANTED: unlocked GSM cell phone Yaaron is correct, Sprint has only been CDMA, and they are not a good global phone company (I have them). I've seen some old Nextel phones use GSM, but not the newer ones. Jeremy MountainJohnson jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Yaron wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2010, Jeff Nelson wrote: > > > I am looking for an unlocked GSM cell phone (Sprint, AT&T or T-Mobile). > > This is probably not SUPER helpful, but I don't believe Sprint are GSM. I > think in the US only AT&T and T-Mobile are. > > I'd look on eBay, really. I'm seeing some By It Now for like $20, $30. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Dec 28 08:58:04 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:58:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Operation: Filter Torrent In-Reply-To: References: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> Message-ID: <39881859-C5A9-4370-86BD-08ACC734F0BE@me.com> Whoa, that board might be TOO under powered... What I was thinking was something with a physical drive in it... that would be, eventually, replaced with an SSD. If I can add the wireless itself TOO it, great! Now they can update the password more often and do it from home. It's not that I'm against the Compact Flash idea - I'm a sports photographer by current trade and have really good use for 32GB CF cards. :) But I'm looking at it. Thanks for the info! On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:46 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Check out PFSense (http://www.pfsense.org/). It's a firewall/router > distribution based on FreeBSD. You can run it on a regular PC or on > embedded systems. I've used this board several times: > http://www.mini-box.com/Alix-2B-Board-3-LAN-3-MINI-PCI_4?sc=8&category=1361 > and have been very happy with what it can do. > > PFSense is going to give you every opportunity to manage the traffic > going through it. I'm not sure how hard it would be to get the result > you want, but I know it's possible. I have a couple of friends (one > who is on this list) who have done more with pfsense than I have and > would probably be able to answer questions more in depth. > > -Erik > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> I have a colleague that owns a coffee shop and he gives his customers Comcast's fastest internet (he's a really nice guy). >> >> But he's got some clients who leech him to share movies and TV shows and he's been getting between 10-30 letters per week from Comcast about these shares. He's spent many hundreds of dollars on wifi routers to try and filter without any luck. >> >> I'm thinking a micro computer with dual NICs and running everything through a firewall to filter out and/or monitor traffic. What are you your recommendations? I'm a FreeBSD person by history but I build webservers, not filter/monitor firewalls. >> >> I'm not against new OSes, either, just be prepared for to give some guiding advice from time to time. >> >> Thanks, >> Ryan Coleman >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sloncho at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 09:14:05 2010 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:14:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: unlocked GSM cell phone In-Reply-To: <4D197401.3010104@comcast.net> References: <4D197401.3010104@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Jeff Nelson wrote: > I am looking for an unlocked GSM cell phone (Sprint, AT&T or T-Mobile). > I plan to use it in India and Germany by purchasing a pay-as-you-go SIM > card. That's why the phone has to be unlocked; it has to work on any > carrier, not just Sprint/ATT/TMobile. > > I don't want to spend a lot so it doesn't have to be anything recent. It > just has to be unlocked and work, the battery needs to hold a charge for > the day, and it needs to come with a wall or USB charger. > > If you have an old phone lying around that you're not using, please get > in touch off-list. > > Thanks. > > -Jeff > Jeff, I have unlocked Nokia 5610 (http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-5610-xpressmusic), which I'm keeping as backup unit. It was unlocked by T-Mobile, and I used it in Europe. It's quad-band, so I should work anywhere. I can give it to you to use it while abroad, and it will be nice if you return it after that. One drawback - the camera is not functioning. Send me an email if interested. Cheers, -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. From scottbb1973 at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 10:06:57 2010 From: scottbb1973 at gmail.com (Scott Berry) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:06:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] help with bind9 server Message-ID: <4D1A0B21.3000303@gmail.com> Hello there, Is there someone who would be willing to log in remotely and please take a look at my bind9 server? I am having some problems with it starting and I honestly am stumped where to look. I am totally blind so it is possible that I am missing quotes and such but I think it should be running. Thanks for the help. -- Scott Berry scottbb1973 at gmail.com MCP and A Plus Certified -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101228/e23271b1/attachment.htm From rclarksean at arvig.net Tue Dec 28 10:12:57 2010 From: rclarksean at arvig.net (Randy Clarksean) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:12:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: unlocked GSM cell phone In-Reply-To: References: <4D197401.3010104@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002601cba6aa$177cd820$46768860$@net> FYI ... there are plenty of used cell phone cites on the web as well. I have bought two used phones for my daughter and step-daughter ... both have worked flawlessly ... Randy -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sunny Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:14 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] WANTED: unlocked GSM cell phone On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Jeff Nelson wrote: > I am looking for an unlocked GSM cell phone (Sprint, AT&T or T-Mobile). > I plan to use it in India and Germany by purchasing a pay-as-you-go SIM > card. That's why the phone has to be unlocked; it has to work on any > carrier, not just Sprint/ATT/TMobile. > > I don't want to spend a lot so it doesn't have to be anything recent. It > just has to be unlocked and work, the battery needs to hold a charge for > the day, and it needs to come with a wall or USB charger. > > If you have an old phone lying around that you're not using, please get > in touch off-list. > > Thanks. > > -Jeff > Jeff, I have unlocked Nokia 5610 (http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-5610-xpressmusic), which I'm keeping as backup unit. It was unlocked by T-Mobile, and I used it in Europe. It's quad-band, so I should work anywhere. I can give it to you to use it while abroad, and it will be nice if you return it after that. One drawback - the camera is not functioning. Send me an email if interested. Cheers, -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Tue Dec 28 10:43:58 2010 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:43:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Operation: Filter Torrent In-Reply-To: <39881859-C5A9-4370-86BD-08ACC734F0BE@me.com> References: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> <39881859-C5A9-4370-86BD-08ACC734F0BE@me.com> Message-ID: <4D1A13CE.9010902@Goecke-Dolan.com> Ryan, That board should handle almost anything a comcast link will throw at it. I don't think it can do 1GB routing, but should be plenty powerful enough for 10/100. It doesn't take a lot to do routing/filtering. 500Mhz should be great. ==>brian. On 12/28/2010 08:58 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Whoa, that board might be TOO under powered... What I was thinking was something with a physical drive in it... that would be, eventually, replaced with an SSD. > > If I can add the wireless itself TOO it, great! Now they can update the password more often and do it from home. It's not that I'm against the Compact Flash idea - I'm a sports photographer by current trade and have really good use for 32GB CF cards. :) > > But I'm looking at it. Thanks for the info! > > On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:46 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > >> Check out PFSense (http://www.pfsense.org/). It's a firewall/router >> distribution based on FreeBSD. You can run it on a regular PC or on >> embedded systems. I've used this board several times: >> http://www.mini-box.com/Alix-2B-Board-3-LAN-3-MINI-PCI_4?sc=8&category=1361 >> and have been very happy with what it can do. >> >> PFSense is going to give you every opportunity to manage the traffic >> going through it. I'm not sure how hard it would be to get the result >> you want, but I know it's possible. I have a couple of friends (one >> who is on this list) who have done more with pfsense than I have and >> would probably be able to answer questions more in depth. >> >> -Erik >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> I have a colleague that owns a coffee shop and he gives his customers Comcast's fastest internet (he's a really nice guy). >>> >>> But he's got some clients who leech him to share movies and TV shows and he's been getting between 10-30 letters per week from Comcast about these shares. He's spent many hundreds of dollars on wifi routers to try and filter without any luck. >>> >>> I'm thinking a micro computer with dual NICs and running everything through a firewall to filter out and/or monitor traffic. What are you your recommendations? I'm a FreeBSD person by history but I build webservers, not filter/monitor firewalls. >>> >>> I'm not against new OSes, either, just be prepared for to give some guiding advice from time to time. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ryan Coleman >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> erik at ekmitchell.com >> http://ekmitchell.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Dec 28 10:50:58 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:50:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Operation: Filter Torrent In-Reply-To: <4D1A13CE.9010902@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> <39881859-C5A9-4370-86BD-08ACC734F0BE@me.com> <4D1A13CE.9010902@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: I'm more concerned with getting the pieces working together - I'm not used to doing micro configurations... but I am not against trying. Thankfully the business has some money to throw at this, and since I do most of my development at the coffee house it's a fair write-off :) On Dec 28, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Brian wrote: > Ryan, > > That board should handle almost anything a comcast link will throw at > it. I don't think it can do 1GB routing, but should be plenty powerful > enough for 10/100. It doesn't take a lot to do routing/filtering. 500Mhz > should be great. > > ==>brian. > > On 12/28/2010 08:58 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> Whoa, that board might be TOO under powered... What I was thinking was something with a physical drive in it... that would be, eventually, replaced with an SSD. >> >> If I can add the wireless itself TOO it, great! Now they can update the password more often and do it from home. It's not that I'm against the Compact Flash idea - I'm a sports photographer by current trade and have really good use for 32GB CF cards. :) >> >> But I'm looking at it. Thanks for the info! >> >> On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:46 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> >>> Check out PFSense (http://www.pfsense.org/). It's a firewall/router >>> distribution based on FreeBSD. You can run it on a regular PC or on >>> embedded systems. I've used this board several times: >>> http://www.mini-box.com/Alix-2B-Board-3-LAN-3-MINI-PCI_4?sc=8&category=1361 >>> and have been very happy with what it can do. >>> >>> PFSense is going to give you every opportunity to manage the traffic >>> going through it. I'm not sure how hard it would be to get the result >>> you want, but I know it's possible. I have a couple of friends (one >>> who is on this list) who have done more with pfsense than I have and >>> would probably be able to answer questions more in depth. >>> >>> -Erik >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>>> I have a colleague that owns a coffee shop and he gives his customers Comcast's fastest internet (he's a really nice guy). >>>> >>>> But he's got some clients who leech him to share movies and TV shows and he's been getting between 10-30 letters per week from Comcast about these shares. He's spent many hundreds of dollars on wifi routers to try and filter without any luck. >>>> >>>> I'm thinking a micro computer with dual NICs and running everything through a firewall to filter out and/or monitor traffic. What are you your recommendations? I'm a FreeBSD person by history but I build webservers, not filter/monitor firewalls. >>>> >>>> I'm not against new OSes, either, just be prepared for to give some guiding advice from time to time. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ryan Coleman >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>> erik at ekmitchell.com >>> http://ekmitchell.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 28 10:53:25 2010 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:53:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] help with bind9 server In-Reply-To: <4D1A0B21.3000303@gmail.com> References: <4D1A0B21.3000303@gmail.com> Message-ID: I dunno about logging in, but are there any errors in /var/log/messages or /var/log/daemon.log when you start it? On Tue, 28 Dec 2010, Scott Berry wrote: > > Hello there, > > Is there someone who would be willing to log in remotely and please take a > look at my bind9 server?? I am having some problems with it starting and I > honestly am stumped where to look.? I am totally blind so it is possible > that I am missing quotes and such but I think it should be running.? Thanks > for the help. > > > -- > Scott Berry scottbb1973 at gmail.com MCP and A Plus Certified > > -Yaron -- From chrome at real-time.com Tue Dec 28 10:57:17 2010 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Soderstrom) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:57:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] help with bind9 server In-Reply-To: <4D1A0B21.3000303@gmail.com> References: <4D1A0B21.3000303@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 28, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Scott Berry wrote: > Is there someone who would be willing to log in remotely and please take a look at my bind9 server? I am having some problems with it starting and I honestly am stumped where to look. I am totally blind so it is possible that I am missing quotes and such but I think it should be running. Thanks for the help. Try using the 'named-checkzone' and 'named-checkconf' commands to see if they turn up any egregious errors. -- Carl. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101228/52c1735a/attachment.htm From tclug at beitsahour.net Tue Dec 28 12:37:37 2010 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:37:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: unlocked GSM cell phone In-Reply-To: References: <4D197401.3010104@comcast.net> Message-ID: > Jeff, I have unlocked Nokia 5610 > (http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-5610-xpressmusic), > which I'm keeping as backup unit. > > It was unlocked by T-Mobile, and I used it in Europe. It's quad-band, > so I should work anywhere. It should be pointed out that T-Mobile will unlock any of their phones on demand, just call them and ask for the unlock code. I've done this for the last three of my phones whenever i am about to travel overseas. To the best of my knowledge the other GSM carrier in the USA, ATT/Cingulair, will not. From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 15:53:58 2010 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:53:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Operation: Filter Torrent In-Reply-To: References: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> <39881859-C5A9-4370-86BD-08ACC734F0BE@me.com> <4D1A13CE.9010902@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I'm more concerned with getting the pieces working together - I'm not used to doing micro configurations... but I am not against trying. > > Thankfully the business has some money to throw at this, and since I do most of my development at the coffee house it's a fair write-off :) I've worked extensively with pfSense as well as the ALIX board that Erik linked to. I couldn't recommend this combination enough, especially for a coffeeshop-type environment. As Brian mentioned, this board will be able to easily handle anything that a cable internet or DSL connection can throw at it. In testing, I've found that they'll easily handle over and above 50 Mbit. This isn't completely applicable to this environment, but one point of interest is that I've tested their VPN (OpenVPN) throughput, and they'll do about 10Mbit full duplex while encrypting. Not bad for a board that only draws 6 watts. As you'd expect, the board is completely silent, has zero moving parts. You're not going to need to worry about any parts failing, which is very nice in this sort of environment. Honestly there's very little need for more horsepower, and you'd only be complicating things and creating avenues for future support issues. As far as blocking P2P goes, usually the best idea is to start off with removing the default "allow" rule on the LAN interface and then start specifically allowing only traffic you want. TCP ports 80, 443 will obviously be the bare minimum. Above and beyond that, I'd open 587/tcp (smtp submit), 22/tcp (ssh), and probably an assortment of ports to allow various VPN clients to function. For DNS services, you can turn on dnsmasq on pfSense and then it will serve as a resolver for all internal clients, so you do not need to open up 53/tcp and 53/udp. Regarding wireless: while the ALIX boards can support a mini PCI wireless card, I wouldn't recommend doing that. The reality is that wireless support (from the hardware side) is a bit anemic and you'll nearly always get a better wireless experience by using an off-board wireless router (with all routing/DHCP/NAT stuff turned off). One additional thing that may or may not be of use for your colleague is that that this board has three physical network interfaces. One will be used for WAN, one for LAN, leaving a third unused. If the staff might have a need for their own separate network, you can set up that third interface to be a "private" network, protected from the wireless network the customers are using. If the shop has a managed switch infrastructure (doubtful), you can also do this using 802.1q VLAN tagging. I hope this cleared up a few things for you. Feel free to send any questions you may have! -Erik P.S. What coffee shop is this? It seems that most shops' internet connections are very, very slow, and I'd love to patronize a shop that has a decent connection. :) From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 16:06:52 2010 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:06:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Operation: Filter Torrent In-Reply-To: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> References: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> Message-ID: Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss... > I have a colleague that owns a coffee shop and he gives his customers Comcast's fastest internet (he's a really nice guy). > > But he's got some clients who leech him to share movies and TV shows and he's been getting between 10-30 letters per week from Comcast about these shares. He's spent many hundreds of dollars on wifi routers to try and filter without any luck. I'm sure there is an open source way to do this, but your friend could dump a little cash & pickup a Cisco 800 series ISR router. Many of the 800 series models have wireless. Cisco has a cool thing called NBAR (Network Based Application Recognition) that can block just about anything. The cool this is everything is in one device (firewall, NATing, traffic management, etc). I just picked up a 861 a few months back for one of our offices (non-wireless model), and I like it alot. The ones that have built in wireless are not much more expensive. I think I paid about $300.00 or so. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps9555/index.html http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps6537/ps6558/ps6616/product_bulletin_c25-627831.html http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps380/prod_models_comparison.html Good Luck. Bob > > I'm thinking a micro computer with dual NICs and running everything through a firewall to filter out and/or monitor traffic. What are you your recommendations? I'm a FreeBSD person by history but I build webservers, not filter/monitor firewalls. > > I'm not against new OSes, either, just be prepared for to give some guiding advice from time to time. > > Thanks, > Ryan Coleman > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 16:12:15 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:12:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Operation: Filter Torrent In-Reply-To: References: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> <39881859-C5A9-4370-86BD-08ACC734F0BE@me.com> <4D1A13CE.9010902@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: In a past life I used the third port as a fail-over to a T1 connection that was brought in for my company's VOIP phone system. If the main DSL line ever went down, it would automatically cut over to the T1 connection. If you shop around for hardware that's marketed for this purpose, you'll find that it can get pretty spendy. Considering everything that ALIX board was (is) doing, it is a total bargain. -Erik On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> I'm more concerned with getting the pieces working together - I'm not used to doing micro configurations... but I am not against trying. >> >> Thankfully the business has some money to throw at this, and since I do most of my development at the coffee house it's a fair write-off :) > > I've worked extensively with pfSense as well as the ALIX board that > Erik linked to. I couldn't recommend this combination enough, > especially for a coffeeshop-type environment. As Brian mentioned, this > board will be able to easily handle anything that a cable internet or > DSL connection can throw at it. In testing, I've found that they'll > easily handle over and above 50 Mbit. This isn't completely applicable > to this environment, but one point of interest is that I've tested > their VPN (OpenVPN) throughput, and they'll do about 10Mbit full > duplex while encrypting. Not bad for a board that only draws 6 watts. > As you'd expect, the board is completely silent, has zero moving > parts. You're not going to need to worry about any parts failing, > which is very nice in this sort of environment. Honestly there's very > little need for more horsepower, and you'd only be complicating things > and creating avenues for future support issues. > > As far as blocking P2P goes, usually the best idea is to start off > with removing the default "allow" rule on the LAN interface and then > start specifically allowing only traffic you want. TCP ports 80, 443 > will obviously be the bare minimum. Above and beyond that, I'd open > 587/tcp (smtp submit), 22/tcp (ssh), and probably an assortment of > ports to allow various VPN clients to function. For DNS services, you > can turn on dnsmasq on pfSense and then it will serve as a resolver > for all internal clients, so you do not need to open up 53/tcp and > 53/udp. > > Regarding wireless: while the ALIX boards can support a mini PCI > wireless card, I wouldn't recommend doing that. The reality is that > wireless support (from the hardware side) is a bit anemic and you'll > nearly always get a better wireless experience by using an off-board > wireless router (with all routing/DHCP/NAT stuff turned off). > > One additional thing that may or may not be of use for your colleague > is that that this board has three physical network interfaces. One > will be used for WAN, one for LAN, leaving a third unused. If the > staff might have a need for their own separate network, you can set up > that third interface to be a "private" network, protected from the > wireless network the customers are using. If the shop has a managed > switch infrastructure (doubtful), you can also do this using 802.1q > VLAN tagging. > > I hope this cleared up a few things for you. Feel free to send any > questions you may have! > -Erik > P.S. What coffee shop is this? It seems that most shops' internet > connections are very, very slow, and I'd love to patronize a shop that > has a decent connection. :) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From kc0iog at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 16:11:41 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:11:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Operation: Filter Torrent In-Reply-To: References: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Check out PFSense (http://www.pfsense.org/). It's a firewall/router > distribution based on FreeBSD. Can PFSense perform stateful packet inspection? One of the challenges with bit torrent is that it can be tunneled on just about any port. The only way to truly knock it out is to inspect the packet, looking for the bit torrent headers, then kill the connection if it finds the headers. I can think of some larger commercial based apps/appliances that do this, but I'm not sure what exists for this in an open source application stack. Brian From smcgrath23 at gmail.com Tue Dec 28 16:39:53 2010 From: smcgrath23 at gmail.com (Steve McGrath) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:39:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Operation: Filter Torrent In-Reply-To: References: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Brian Wall wrote: > Can PFSense perform stateful packet inspection? ?One of the challenges > with bit torrent is that it can be tunneled on just about any port. > The only way to truly knock it out is to inspect the packet, looking > for the bit torrent headers, then kill the connection if it finds the > headers. As of 2.0, which is still in beta, pfSense can do application-layer filtering. I've been using it at home to lower the priority of bittorent traffic without having to set all my clients to a specific port. The interface is a little funky, and documentation lacking, but it seems to work. Of course, it still can't do much about encrypted BT traffic. -Steve -- If it ain't broke, you're not using a new enough version From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Dec 29 13:39:57 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:39:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Operation: Filter Torrent In-Reply-To: References: <4FFA9C67-5EAA-4C4B-91F0-5764AB557CBE@me.com> Message-ID: <11D36842-9F03-45D1-BE3D-4900B83532F4@me.com> I got the ALIX.6E2 from netgate.com (their part: m1n1; http://store.netgate.com/Netgate-m1n1wall-6E2-black-P1051.aspx) and it started up without issue right out of the box. I'll be configuring it over the next few days with a hope to do an install early next week. The owner is quite happy with the potential and, I think, I can configure it to (with some elbowing here ad there) to run samba for storing their music for the store. On Dec 28, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Steve McGrath wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Brian Wall wrote: >> Can PFSense perform stateful packet inspection? One of the challenges >> with bit torrent is that it can be tunneled on just about any port. >> The only way to truly knock it out is to inspect the packet, looking >> for the bit torrent headers, then kill the connection if it finds the >> headers. > > As of 2.0, which is still in beta, pfSense can do application-layer > filtering. I've been using it at home to lower the priority of > bittorent traffic without having to set all my clients to a specific > port. The interface is a little funky, and documentation lacking, but > it seems to work. Of course, it still can't do much about encrypted BT > traffic. > > -Steve > > > -- > If it ain't broke, you're not using a new enough version > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From james007wjs at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 20:33:23 2010 From: james007wjs at gmail.com (wes smith) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:33:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports Message-ID: What ports do they exactly block. I want to setup a mail server at home, and at least keep ssl default for apache -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101229/ca321242/attachment.htm From tclug at jfoo.org Wed Dec 29 20:37:43 2010 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:37:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1BF077.5070800@jfoo.org> On 12/29/10 8:33 PM, wes smith wrote: > What ports do they exactly block. I want to setup a mail server at > home, and at least keep ssl default for apache I was doing this up til about 4 years ago, they didn't block any ports as far as I could tell. I was using iphouse as my ISP, Qwest just provided the DSL. j From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Dec 29 20:48:30 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:48:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wes, If they are not doing it right away you will expect to have 25 closed eventually. Comcast ONLY blocked port 25 on me, after nearly four years of hosting a webserver on my residential line. -- Ryan On Dec 29, 2010, at 8:33 PM, wes smith wrote: > What ports do they exactly block. I want to setup a mail server at home, and at least keep ssl default for apache From kc0iog at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 20:53:26 2010 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:53:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:33 PM, wes smith wrote: > What ports do they exactly block.? I want to setup a mail server at home, > and at least keep ssl default for apache As long as you go with qwest.net service instead of MSN, you shouldn't have any port filtering issues. In fact, you can even get static IPs and routed subnets for significantly less than "business class" offerings of other providers. Brian From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 21:20:28 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:20:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm on qwest.net currently, and 25 outbound is open; haven't tested inbound. Also confirming open inbound on 22, 53, 80, 443, and 8080. Unlike other ISPs like Comcast, Qwest's terms of service explicitly allow running servers on your residential connection, so even if you did find something closed you should be able to get it opened by just asking. - Tony From Eric at mixeduperic.com Thu Dec 30 08:02:18 2010 From: Eric at mixeduperic.com (Eric Lovrien) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:02:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a mail server running and can send and receive email on a qwest home line. However I do sometimes run into problems of my email being marked as spam because of the dynamic IP address I am assigned at that time. - Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101230/7be96236/attachment.htm From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Thu Dec 30 08:59:58 2010 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:59:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net> I've run a mail server on comcast for about 5 years with no problems with blockage. I do have to use them as a relay to get around the problem of mail rejection from a source ip being in a dynamic range. ~jh On 12/29/2010 08:48 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Wes, > > If they are not doing it right away you will expect to have 25 closed eventually. > > Comcast ONLY blocked port 25 on me, after nearly four years of hosting a webserver on my residential line. > > -- > Ryan > > On Dec 29, 2010, at 8:33 PM, wes smith wrote: > > >> What ports do they exactly block. I want to setup a mail server at home, and at least keep ssl default for apache >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Dec 30 11:15:51 2010 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:15:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Old PC hardware freebies Message-ID: <1293729351.18292.467.camel@sysadmin3a> First System Standard midsize case decent power supply ~256MB ram (going from memory) 266 mhz AMD CPU 1 CD rom drive (functional?) 3.5" floppy drive 2x 10/100 NICs standard AGP VGA card 2x usb 2x serial com ports 1x parallel port all the IDE drive cables included no hard drives ran openbsd for my firewall/server at home until one of the hard drives went kaput. good time for an upgrade so i can run mythtv or other multimedia type functions Second System Full size tower standard power supply ~1.3ghz amd (going from memory) ~1 gig RAM (going from memory) soyo dragon mobo some sort of nvidia geforce card (circa 2006-2007 i think) some sort of creative soundblaster card (also has an onboard sound on mobo) dvd rw drive dvd rom drive (occasionally doesnt work) all the IDE drive cables included no hard drives most of cards/boards are loose in the case so a little bit of assembly will be required unless you just want the parts ran linux for gaming (ut2004 mostly) until i upgraded Both machines are dusty and will need cleaning. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101230/7e8c4991/attachment.htm From auditodd at comcast.net Thu Dec 30 11:27:12 2010 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [tclug-list] Old PC hardware freebies In-Reply-To: <1293729351.18292.467.camel@sysadmin3a> Message-ID: <1933991654.473964.1293730032449.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I have some 80GB and 40GB Samsung hard drives sitting around for whomever wants Justin's machines and needs a hard drive. :-) (Also free.) ---------- Todd Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Krejci" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:15:51 AM Subject: [tclug-list] Old PC hardware freebies First System Standard midsize case decent power supply ~256MB ram (going from memory) 266 mhz AMD CPU 1 CD rom drive (functional?) 3.5" floppy drive 2x 10/100 NICs standard AGP VGA card 2x usb 2x serial com ports 1x parallel port all the IDE drive cables included no hard drives ran openbsd for my firewall/server at home until one of the hard drives went kaput. good time for an upgrade so i can run mythtv or other multimedia type functions Second System Full size tower standard power supply ~1.3ghz amd (going from memory) ~1 gig RAM (going from memory) soyo dragon mobo some sort of nvidia geforce card (circa 2006-2007 i think) some sort of creative soundblaster card (also has an onboard sound on mobo) dvd rw drive dvd rom drive (occasionally doesnt work) all the IDE drive cables included no hard drives most of cards/boards are loose in the case so a little bit of assembly will be required unless you just want the parts ran linux for gaming (ut2004 mostly) until i upgraded Both machines are dusty and will need cleaning. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tlunde at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 12:01:06 2010 From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:01:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Old PC hardware freebies In-Reply-To: <1933991654.473964.1293730032449.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1293729351.18292.467.camel@sysadmin3a> <1933991654.473964.1293730032449.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm looking for some pc-133 memory. Best would be a single 256 stick, but I'm open to a 128. Does anyone have a spare? Thanks! Thomas On Dec 30, 2010 11:30 AM, wrote: > I have some 80GB and 40GB Samsung hard drives sitting around for whomever wants Justin's machines and needs a hard drive. :-) > > (Also free.) > > ---------- > Todd Young > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Krejci" > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:15:51 AM > Subject: [tclug-list] Old PC hardware freebies > > > First System > Standard midsize case > decent power supply > ~256MB ram (going from memory) > 266 mhz AMD CPU > 1 CD rom drive (functional?) > 3.5" floppy drive > 2x 10/100 NICs > standard AGP VGA card > 2x usb > 2x serial com ports > 1x parallel port > all the IDE drive cables included > no hard drives > ran openbsd for my firewall/server at home until one of the hard drives went kaput. good time for an upgrade so i can run mythtv or other multimedia type functions > > > > Second System > Full size tower > standard power supply > ~1.3ghz amd (going from memory) > ~1 gig RAM (going from memory) > soyo dragon mobo > some sort of nvidia geforce card (circa 2006-2007 i think) > some sort of creative soundblaster card (also has an onboard sound on mobo) > dvd rw drive > dvd rom drive (occasionally doesnt work) > all the IDE drive cables included > no hard drives > most of cards/boards are loose in the case so a little bit of assembly will be required unless you just want the parts > ran linux for gaming (ut2004 mostly) until i upgraded > > Both machines are dusty and will need cleaning. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101230/0129f81b/attachment.htm From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Thu Dec 30 12:02:33 2010 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:02:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1CC939.1070802@soul-dev.com> On 12/29/2010 8:33 PM, wes smith wrote: > What ports do they exactly block. I want to setup a mail server at > home, and at least keep ssl default for apache > Qwest user here, and I can confirm they do not block any ports, you should be golden. Ah, back to downloading my new steam games at 4.5MBps. Best regards and happy new year to the fine folks of the LUG! ~Mr. M From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Dec 30 12:41:31 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:41:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Old PC hardware freebies In-Reply-To: References: <1293729351.18292.467.camel@sysadmin3a> <1933991654.473964.1293730032449.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: is that what fits my Compaq 348.493 MHz Pentium II?? if so i have a few..? -g > I'm looking for some pc-133 memory.? Best would be a single 256 stick, but I'm open to a 128. > > Does anyone have a spare? > > Thanks! > Thomas From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Dec 30 16:22:16 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:22:16 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] sda/sdb inconsistent Message-ID: if i understand correctly, a client of mine has a relatively new serverbox that has a curious problem, when it boots up it is inconsistent which disc is sda and which is sdb. anyone heard of this interesting feature? with the now standard UUID defs in /etc/fstab linux is unperturbed, as long as it boots at all, which is the problem. can anyone guide me to installing working mbr's on both, using jaunty grub (0.97-29ubuntu53), in a reliable manner, as site visits are out of the question.. From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Dec 30 16:41:36 2010 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:41:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] sda/sdb inconsistent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1D0AA0.8030909@mtu.net> On 12/30/2010 04:22 PM, gregwm wrote: > if i understand correctly, a client of mine has a relatively new > serverbox that has a curious problem, when it boots up it is > inconsistent which disc is sda and which is sdb. anyone heard of this > interesting feature? with the now standard UUID defs in /etc/fstab > linux is unperturbed, as long as it boots at all, which is the > problem. can anyone guide me to installing working mbr's on both, > using jaunty grub (0.97-29ubuntu53), in a reliable manner, as site > visits are out of the question.. > > # grub grub> device (hd0) /dev/hdg grub> root (hd0,0) grub> setup (hd0) grub> quit Replace /dev/hdg with /dev/sda then do again with /dev/sdb. Note that the root argument may be different, it'll be hd0 and then the partition of the root, may be 1 if swap or boot is first. From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 16:44:31 2010 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:44:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] sda/sdb inconsistent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1D0B4F.5030507@gmail.com> I don't use Ubuntu, but I assume it uses Grub. You can have Grub use UUIDs, that's actually what I do. title distro root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz26-bfs root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/fdgsfdg-gre-491c-gegre-gregrege quiet vga=773 resume=/dev/sda1 ro initrd /boot/kernel26-bfs.img *Jeremy MountainJohnson* jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On 12/30/2010 04:22 PM, gregwm wrote: > if i understand correctly, a client of mine has a relatively new > serverbox that has a curious problem, when it boots up it is > inconsistent which disc is sda and which is sdb. anyone heard of this > interesting feature? with the now standard UUID defs in /etc/fstab > linux is unperturbed, as long as it boots at all, which is the > problem. can anyone guide me to installing working mbr's on both, > using jaunty grub (0.97-29ubuntu53), in a reliable manner, as site > visits are out of the question.. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Thu Dec 30 17:12:35 2010 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:12:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] sda/sdb inconsistent In-Reply-To: <4D1D0B4F.5030507@gmail.com> References: <4D1D0B4F.5030507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1293750755.25390.1412859871@webmail.messagingengine.com> You can also define it in fstab by using udev uuid or id: UUID=32aaec89-2ed8-4xx6-a8fd-c2a0f8xxxxxf / noatime /dev/disk/by-id/name / noatime On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:44 -0600, "Jeremy MountainJohnson" wrote: > I don't use Ubuntu, but I assume it uses Grub. You can have Grub use > UUIDs, that's actually what I do. > > title distro > root (hd0,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz26-bfs > root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/fdgsfdg-gre-491c-gegre-gregrege quiet vga=773 > resume=/dev/sda1 ro > initrd /boot/kernel26-bfs.img > > *Jeremy MountainJohnson* > jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com > > > > On 12/30/2010 04:22 PM, gregwm wrote: > > if i understand correctly, a client of mine has a relatively new > > serverbox that has a curious problem, when it boots up it is > > inconsistent which disc is sda and which is sdb. anyone heard of this > > interesting feature? with the now standard UUID defs in /etc/fstab > > linux is unperturbed, as long as it boots at all, which is the > > problem. can anyone guide me to installing working mbr's on both, > > using jaunty grub (0.97-29ubuntu53), in a reliable manner, as site > > visits are out of the question.. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Dec 30 17:27:59 2010 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:27:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] sda/sdb inconsistent In-Reply-To: <1293750755.25390.1412859871@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4D1D0B4F.5030507@gmail.com> <1293750755.25390.1412859871@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <4D1D157F.4090400@mtu.net> This doesn't help. If BIOS randomly changes the order of the drives, then you need to install an MBR on both disks that make it think it's hd0. Where most people run into this (usually too late) is when the first drive in a software RAID array fails and then you reboot. Unless you've installed grub in the MBR on all disks, then you will not boot. From dan.smith225 at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 22:29:58 2010 From: dan.smith225 at gmail.com (Dan Smith) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:29:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Blocking Torrent Access? Message-ID: Hello all tclug members, I'm looking for a way to block any and all torrent (mainly through utorrent) on my network. I'm curious if there are open source solutions that might be able to help? My equipment is as follows - ISP: Comcast HSI Router: EnGenius ESR9855G Wireless Gaming Router (Wireless 802.11n) Or any suggestions about using qos in one of these routers would be much appricated. Thanks! -- Dan S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101230/d34607e8/attachment-0001.htm From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Dec 30 22:53:40 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:53:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Blocking Torrent Access? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94058462-13DF-43D2-8611-F1844443B919@me.com> If you saw the previous thread, pfsense is probably the best way to go about it (I'm working on a solution right now that cost me $230 shipped) and it won't work on encrypted torrents for some time (when release 2.0 comes out, maybe not then). On Dec 30, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > Hello all tclug members, > > I'm looking for a way to block any and all torrent (mainly through utorrent) on my network. I'm curious if there are open source solutions that might be able to help? > > My equipment is as follows - > > ISP: Comcast HSI > Router: EnGenius ESR9855G Wireless Gaming Router (Wireless 802.11n) > > Or any suggestions about using qos in one of these routers would be much appricated. > > Thanks! > > -- > Dan S. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 07:33:49 2010 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:33:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] sda/sdb inconsistent In-Reply-To: <4D1D157F.4090400@mtu.net> References: <4D1D0B4F.5030507@gmail.com> <1293750755.25390.1412859871@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D1D157F.4090400@mtu.net> Message-ID: <4D1DDBBD.6000705@gmail.com> I've seen this problem mostly on USB bootable Linux thumb drives (occasionally being sda, sdb, and sdc). In which case I solved this by using UUID in Grub and fstab (the drive assignment doesn't matter since the drive is booting from a USB device only). I get the thumb drives and other drives moving around often in my scenario (even if using the same ports hot swapping), but what kind of BIOS re-arranges SATA drives that aren't even being moved around in the OPs case- it's just wrong. Probably worth some communication with the board manufacturer; this would cause problems with any operating system. *Jeremy MountainJohnson* jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On 12/30/2010 05:27 PM, Jon Schewe wrote: > This doesn't help. If BIOS randomly changes the order of the drives, > then you need to install an MBR on both disks that make it think it's > hd0. Where most people run into this (usually too late) is when the > first drive in a software RAID array fails and then you reboot. Unless > you've installed grub in the MBR on all disks, then you will not boot. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 18:24:39 2010 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:24:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Beginning Linux stories Message-ID: I am collecting stories about how people got started using Linux. Please share yours. if you send it to TClug I would like your permission to use it on my blog. http://www.ron-l-j.com/blog/ Here is My Beginning Linux story. I have been into Linux for seven years now. I enjoy programming, setting up servers, and a good challenge. It all started for me in Iraq of all places when I was getting pissed at windows and I was sitting next to an HQ programmer. We talked about computers, and he started teaching me about Linux so I booted it up. I thought it was strange at the time but I kept the disc. I went back to it a few times and in 2006 my xp laptop crashed. I fixed the boot loader with an Ubuntu live disc. Then dual booted for a while. It did not take long until I bought the Ubuntu unleashed book and got interested in programming and servers. I would use Ubuntu and try out all kinds of Linux. now I have over fifty Linux/Unix books. I am currently working on PHP and Smarty templates along with Apache and Mysql. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101231/3ac154ad/attachment.htm