On Aug 27, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Mike Miller wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Adam Morris wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:37:12AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Loren Cahlander wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 26, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I write doco using Vim and Docbook (when it's not wiki'ed, which is 
>>>>> the usual route these days); tho if I knew more about XML or other 
>>>>> formatting tools I might go a different route.
>>>> 
>>>> I highly recommend oXygenXML ( http://oxygenxml.com ) for editing 
>>>> DocBook and all XML and XQuery.  It runs on GNU/Linux, Mac OS X and MS 
>>>> Windows.
>>> 
>>> You had me interested for a minute, but then I realized that it is not 
>>> free software.  I can't do that anymore.  I've had too many problems 
>>> with lock-in.  It's not about the money.
>> 
>> Could I ask what problems you've had if its not about the money?  I can 
>> understand not wanting to use free software (as in libre), but it sounds 
>> to me like you've had some other issues over the years.
> 
> 
> The basic problem is that you dedicate yourself to learning the software 
> and then you become dependent.  This has happened to me, definitely. 
> Consider WordPerfect 5.1 -- where is that?  What good are my skills now? 
> When I was in grad school about 15-20 years ago I spent a lot of time on 
> that and now I can't use it.  With free software I'd have the code and I 
> would hire someone to make it work if it was no longer supported and I 
> really wanted it.
> 
> Related to that problem, once I have skills with some program, then I 
> become an advocate for it.  I don't want to work for the sales or 
> marketing division of a software company.  I especially don't want to push 
> students to use a program that's going to cost them an arm and a leg after 
> they graduate.  An example of this is SAS.  We used it a lot and taught 
> students how to use it.  We never paid much for it.  One day I wanted to 
> put SAS on a new Linux box and I expected the usual site-license pricing 
> but SAS Corp said no -- we could have the usual university discount, but 
> the site license was for other UNIX OSs, not for Linux.  Now I found out 
> that SAS with university discount costs $3,800/year and for a student who 
> graduates and wants his company to buy it or wants to buy it himself for 
> consulting work, it would cost five times as much: $19,000/year.  That 
> made my blood boil.  I stopped using SAS and now I use GNU R.  GNU R is 
> (A) better than SAS in most ways, (B) it is the top choice of serious 
> academic statisticians and (C) it is free software, both in dollars and in 
> terms of restrictions on the user.
> 
> Another really important observation is that free software has grown 
> extremely fast in only a few years.  I see Linux as a better choice than 
> Windows and the other UNIXes at any price, GNU R as better than all other 
> stat packages at any price, and most or all of the free options as good 
> enough to be preferred to their sometimes slightly superior (right now) 
> non-free competitors.  I only use non-free when forced to do so by an 
> employer, when some hardware requires it or when it's part of a service 
> like Google services.
> 
> Mike

The questions is this: WTH is SAS? It's not Serial attached SCSI.