Sorry to send a flame post and never follow back up again but work has been crazy. Blackberry to me has always been a very functional and easy to use system once you get used to it. It doesn't have all the billions of apps that the iPhone has but it does have a good number that I love and work for me including the track my blackberries GPS location, remote wipe, remote listen (nice for spying), remote make a loud noise so I can find it, and tonnes of other fun apps. The bold now gives us a decent camera (with flash, take that iPhone!) and easy multimedia (just copy mp3s over to the drive that pops up). It isn't easily managed in Linux but 95% of things can be done OTA, the last remaining hold out is upgrading the OS. Plus on the security factor the full central management of the system including remote policy push for passwords, locking and all that fun stuff is cool. Plus the entire disk is encrypted unlike the iphone where not only is it not able to be fully encrypted but we can fairly easily break into the file system even on a password protected unit and wipe out whatever we want (including the password file :) ). So I think from a security factor right now Blackberry wins, I really want to try out the PamPre and see how it stacks up from a security point of view. --j On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Bob De Mars <bob at grunners.com> wrote: > Not to beat a dead horse on this, but this email inspired me to take a look > at the blackberry exchange issue again. I found that they now offer the > poor mans version (up to 30 users) of the Ent server - called Blackberry > Professional software. Each cal is a few hundred bucks or so. BB stock went > up slightly over here. It comes with one free cal, so I am going to give it > a try. > > Forgive the non linux related post, and the top posting.... I just thought > there were others out there like me who work in a heterogeneous environment. > > Also, I forgot to mention that I think the pre is cool that it supports the > active sync situation. > > I mentioned the pre to various users here that use diverse handhelds. Every > single one had something negative to say about Palm. > > Here ends my report. > > Again, Slackware has and always will rule.... > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Bob De Mars > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:45 PM > To: TCLUG List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Palm Pre > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mike Miller > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:31 AM > To: TCLUG List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Palm Pre > > On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, J Cruit wrote: > > >> Of course we all know that the new Blackberries, like my Bold, are much > >> better than either one, and more secure by a long shot. =) > > > > Regarding Blackberries, I recently migrated from (flame retardant suit > activated) Exchange 2003 to 2007 at work, and I am sad to report > Blackberries BIS service doesn't work with Exchange 2007 (active sync). I > was surprised by this, as I have been pushing these units (since they worked > so well with our 2003 exchange servers). After doing some research on this, > it appeared that one carrier seemed to have it working, but none of the > carriers of the BB's I maintain do. It seems BB is trying to push their > enterprise server instead. For kicks I requested a quote for the BB > Enterprise server, and the price was a bit high. $8000.00 for 5 users. I'm > not sure if that price includes Vaseline or not so I decided against it. > > I guess my rant is more from the corporate side of things. Sure the BB > Bold is a bad ass situation, but if it can't handle M$ active sync or a > Outlook web access hack then they are loosing market share in the biz world. > I think people are reluctant to dish out the cash required for the BB > enterprise server while other phone can utilize active sync with a simple > data plan. I was surprised how may complaints about this I found while > researching. > > Currently BB's work around for the Exchange 07 issue (Exchange 2010 beta is > out as well, and BB looks to have no intension of getting that to work > without their ent server package either) is to setup some POP3 nonsense with > a forwarding rule to your BB email and use your work/exchange address as the > "replyto". That's a load of crap, so I have not mentioned this to tell BB > users. > > I guess what I am getting at is Blackberry lost a lot of stock the day I > realized they don't work with Exchange 07 active sync. I liked > Blackberries. Most of my BB flock have moved on now to Iphones, and a > handful of other devices. I am down to 3 BB users, and a clown with a > Verizon XV6800 (which for the record has been a pile of crap since the guy > purchased it). I have one exchange 03 server running for these 4 people, > but that wont last much longer. > > Enough about phone. Forgive the M$ speak. > > SLACKWARE RULES!!! > > Bob > > >Tell us more about that. I'm interested. With the Pre, if you lose it, > >you can connect to it remotely and wipe all the data off of it, or so they > >claim. That should help. It can be locked to require a password, but I > >haven't done that yet and don't know much about it. > > > >The Pre worked for me because it uses Sprint and because it will run my > >old Palm apps, and also it has lots of cool features. Except for the > >iPhone I haven't seen other things with such a cool interface, multitouch, > >etc., but I really don't know squat when it comes down to it and would > >love to hear about the Blackberry if you really think it is a great > >device. What can it do that the iPhone can't do? > > > >In the so-called religious wars (e.g., emacs v. vi) I have noticed that > >the proponents of a thing (program, OS, device, etc.) generally know a lot > >about that thing but little about the opponent's thing. I admit that I > >don't know things, so any flames will generate at least as much light as > >heat for me. I'm always willing to learn more! > > > >Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090611/3bbbacdd/attachment.htm