From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 00:37:19 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:37:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] problem with Ubuntu/Gnome login screen [SOLVED, kinda] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I didn't *really* solve this but I did find a way to avoid the "greeter" screen that was totally bugging out. The /etc/gdm/custom.conf file was essentially empty so I added two "AutoMaticLogin" lines immediately after "[daemon]": [daemon] AutomaticLoginEnable=true AutomaticLogin=user Where "user" was my username. This makes it so that I am logged in automatically at boot up and the greeter is skipped. So it doesn't really fix the problem but it avoids it well enough for me (if someone breaks into my office and knows what he's doing, I'm screwed no matter what!). It seemed to be a pretty long and painful upgrade because of this one major problem but I did learn a few things and I'm sure I'll do it again in six months. Mike On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Mike Miller wrote: > After about 10 hours of working on this and basically getting nowhere, > I'm prepared to take more radical steps. I still can't get to Gnome > desktop, but I don't need to use it. In fact, I usually do not use it. > I usually use icewm in vnc. > > What I need is a way to get to my VNC session on the local machine > without running gdm. Is that hard to do? > > By the way, I find that these log files... > > /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log > > ...grow at a rate of about 100 MB every hour or so when I'm trying to get gdm > working. Almost all of the output consists of repetitions of sections that > look like this but with the process number increasing: > > ** (process:1888): DEBUG: Greeter session pid=1888 display=:0.0 > xauthority=/var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-VjBW5d/database > gdm[1893]: ******************* START ********************************** > gdm[1893]: [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] > [snip] > gdm[1893]: No symbol table info available. > gdm[1893]: A debugging session is active. > gdm[1893]: > gdm[1893]: Inferior 1 [process 1888] will be detached. > gdm[1893]: > gdm[1893]: Quit anyway? (y or n) [answered Y; input not from terminal] > > Where "[snip]" represents about 132 lines of information - I didn't want to > clutter the list, but I'm happy to share it. The log file contains many > lines that have been chopped off on the right side, for example, sometimes > instead of "Quit anyway?" it says "t anyway?" > > Apparently it is trying many times to run the greeter (several times per > second, I'd say) and it is failing. > > Mike From seg at haxxed.com Tue Dec 1 04:13:30 2009 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:13:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] HP 9000's and IBM enterprise stuff for sale Message-ID: <1218b5bc0912010213i3fd3969aq37992071b51f1d95@mail.gmail.com> Apparently some company that serviced "enterprise" hardware skipped out on rent and disappeared, leaving a warehouse full of stuff which a friend now has access to for the next month before it's all junked. There's an HP 9000 K class, and a couple L class servers. No idea how usable they are, but they seem to have one CPU each, some RAM and a disk each. Supposedly Linux will run on them. They're too big for me to mess with right now. There's also what looks to be some kind of IBM blade server thingies. There's also a smaller HP server, the only identification I can find is "Compliance Model RSVL-010-A" and doesn't look to be intel. There's some massive Magstar/3590 tape units. There's piles and piles of SLT cards. (S/370 from the 80's?) There's a bunch of big ass TCM thingies inside protective carriers that apparently go to later IBM mainframes. There's a number of big metal boxes that are apparently 1-8gb RAM modules for an S/390. There's an RS/6000 7009 workstation, And there's a huge number of 72gb 10k RPM SCA SCSI drives inside SSA sleds. Need to pay rent, so make us an offer if you want any of it. Some cruddy cell phone photos of stuff are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjaseg/sets/72157622911283696/ From crumley at fields.space.umn.edu Tue Dec 1 08:59:52 2009 From: crumley at fields.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:59:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] problem with Ubuntu/Gnome login screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45854.152.65.129.201.1259679592.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> On Mon, November 30, 2009 9:52 pm, Mike Miller wrote: > After about 10 hours of working on this and basically getting nowhere, I'm > prepared to take more radical steps. I still can't get to Gnome desktop, > but I don't need to use it. In fact, I usually do not use it. I usually > use icewm in vnc. > > What I need is a way to get to my VNC session on the local machine without > running gdm. Is that hard to do? I don't have any hints specific to actually fixing this problems, but there are several work arounds that you could try. Why not use a a different *dm? I am not sure which ones Ubuntu has available, but I have used both xdm and wdm, though they have less frills than gdm. I am sure Ubuntu has kdm, though that it probably bigger than you need. I also see that there is an ldm, though I have never used it. Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List(TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From admin at lctn.org Tue Dec 1 12:54:57 2009 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:54:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] openspf message Message-ID: <4B156681.5000306@lctn.org> I have a domain constantly having problems sending to recipients within our WAN. All mail comes through our mailscanner, and is forwarded onto the domain. From the info I am receiving, some messages make it though, but others get bounced with the following message url: http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=helo;id=mail.svtv.com;ip=216.235.172.10;r=relay-2.lctn.org I am not seeing an error off-hand. Any ideas? From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Dec 1 16:33:10 2009 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:33:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] openspf message In-Reply-To: <4B156681.5000306@lctn.org> References: <4B156681.5000306@lctn.org> Message-ID: So it sounds like your box at relay-2.lctn.org is rejecting some messages destined for your users that are coming from the server at mail.svtv.com where the senders are @mail.svtv.com. If that is correct then there should be logs on your relay-2.lctn.org that explains why it rejected the message. Perhaps it is malfunctioning, misconfigured, or perhaps the mail.svtv.com has had some DNS issues though according to their SOA serial they have not made any DNS changes since November 12th. The logs on mail.svtv.com may also contain the exact rejection message from relay-2.lctn.org during the message delivery attempt. Logs are key here unless you have access to the mail.svtv.com server to run tests. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:55 PM To: TCLUG List Subject: [tclug-list] openspf message I have a domain constantly having problems sending to recipients within our WAN. All mail comes through our mailscanner, and is forwarded onto the domain. From the info I am receiving, some messages make it though, but others get bounced with the following message url: http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=helo;id=mail.svtv.com;ip=216.235.172.10;r=relay -2.lctn.org I am not seeing an error off-hand. Any ideas? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From brian at ropers-huilman.net Wed Dec 2 11:36:56 2009 From: brian at ropers-huilman.net (Brian D. Ropers-Huilman) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:36:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] problem with Ubuntu/Gnome login screen [SOLVED, kinda] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 00:37, Mike Miller wrote: > I didn't *really* solve this but I did find a way to avoid the "greeter" > screen that was totally bugging out. ?The /etc/gdm/custom.conf file was > essentially empty so I added two "AutoMaticLogin" lines immediately after > "[daemon]": > 8< SNIP >8 > Where "user" was my username. ?This makes it so that I am logged in > automatically at boot up and the greeter is skipped. ?So it doesn't really > fix the problem but it avoids it well enough for me (if someone breaks > into my office and knows what he's doing, I'm screwed no matter what!). Fundamentally, this is an X windows issue. I think the particular driver that's setup is not functioning properly or is not the right one. Given your stated use of the machine at work, housing an internal VNC session that can be connected to remotely. Not unsurprisingly, most of the documentation out there centers on connecting to or sharing your existing desktop: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC which is not what you want. I've done what you want (and, if I understand what you wrote originally, you do too), but for the sake of the other readers, if they haven't done it before, it's trivial to setup one (or more) VNC servers running whatever WM you choose. Here's a fairly decent (and recent) write-up on it: http://www.abdevelopment.ca/blog/start-vnc-server-ubuntu-boot I used to run a non-desktop fvwm session on my desktop Linux box 6 years ago and connect to it like I use ssh and screen for CLI work. I was even on sabbatical with my partner over in New Zealand and was able to continue working via these VNC sessions (I did several fullblown installs of IBM's Content Manager -- comprised of DB2, MQS, Apache, and other parts that all had java-based GUI installers -- on AIX boxen that were in the "local," meaning back in the States, machine room). It worked great. -- Brian D. Ropers-Huilman 612.234.7778 Sent from Minneapolis, Minnesota, United States From trieff at greencaremankato.com Wed Dec 2 13:05:36 2009 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:05:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines Message-ID: Are there any basic guidelines for assigning ip address to various devices on the internal network??? That is ranges for different devices within the 255 numbers and/or as follows .1 Gateway .?-.? switch .?- .? servers printers dhcp. Etc. Working on updating my internal network so would like to reorganize things in a proper manner. Hope you can help. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091202/a4b0b1d6/attachment.htm From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Wed Dec 2 13:45:58 2009 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:45:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B16C3F6.50908@cwis.biz> Typically.... I leave the 10 on the front and end for important things... gateway, file server, PDC, BDC, etc.... wifi unit is almost always .254 when not using a Wifi Router but rather a WAP... have DHCP running 11-245 or so... My two bits. -- Ryan Thomas Rieff wrote: > > *Are there any basic guidelines for assigning ip address to various > devices on the internal network???* > > *That is ranges for different devices within the 255 numbers and/or as > follows?* > > *.1 Gateway* > > *.?-.? switch* > > *.?- .? servers* > > *printers * > > *dhcp. Etc.* > > *Working on updating my internal network so would like to reorganize > things in a proper manner.* > > *Hope you can help.* > > *Tom * > > * * > > Thomas Rieff > > *GreenCare* > > *1717 3rd Avenue* > > *Mankato, MN 56001* > > *(507) 344-8314 Office* > > *(507) 344-8316 Fax* > > *(507) 381-0660 Cell* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com Wed Dec 2 14:07:38 2009 From: Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com (Larry R. Pint) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:07:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Other than 1 and 255, the only standards I'm aware of are company specific standards. We assign all workstations by dhcp in the range of 101-254. All non-workstation system use a fixed IP in the range of 2 - 100. The fixed IP's are grouped by function. 2 - 10 Linux (non-Windows) servers 11 - 20 Special purpose computers 21 - 30 switches 31 - 60 printers & faxes 61 - 70 Exchange servers & virtual servers 71 - 80 Citrix servers 81 - 90 SQL servers 91 - 100 Firewalls, Domain Controllers & UPS's Larry -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Rieff Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:06 PM To: TCLUG Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines Are there any basic guidelines for assigning ip address to various devices on the internal network??? That is ranges for different devices within the 255 numbers and/or as follows... .1 Gateway .?-.? switch .?- .? servers printers dhcp. Etc. Working on updating my internal network so would like to reorganize things in a proper manner. Hope you can help. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091202/c551d1e9/attachment.htm From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Wed Dec 2 14:05:14 2009 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:05:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6044F3273@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Thomas Rieff wrote: >Are there any basic guidelines for assigning ip address to various devices on the internal network??? Dot zero (.0) is reserved for the wire and .255 is the broadcast address. I believe the use of .1 for the gateway is a convention (not required). Non-commercial routers with integrated dhcp often use .100 and up for dynamic addresses. This means you can use lower numbers for static devices without fear of duplication. I like to use .16 for printers (p is the 16th letter of the alphabet) .20 for cameras (think 20/20 vision) .80 for web server, etc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091202/55b61c23/attachment-0001.htm From dworden at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 14:09:45 2009 From: dworden at gmail.com (David Worden) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:09:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network will possibly be helpful.............. Regards, --djw On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > *Are there any basic guidelines for assigning ip address to various > devices on the internal network???* > > *That is ranges for different devices within the 255 numbers and/or as > follows?* > > *.1 Gateway* > > *.?-.? switch* > > *.?- .? servers* > > *printers * > > *dhcp. Etc.* > > *Working on updating my internal network so would like to reorganize > things in a proper manner.* > > *Hope you can help.* > > *Tom * > > * * > > Thomas Rieff > > *GreenCare* > > *1717 3rd Avenue* > > *Mankato, MN 56001* > > *(507) 344-8314 Office* > > *(507) 344-8316 Fax* > > *(507) 381-0660 Cell* > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091202/31534aba/attachment.htm From smcgrath23 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 15:16:09 2009 From: smcgrath23 at gmail.com (Steve McGrath) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:16:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > *Are there any basic guidelines for assigning ip address to various > devices on the internal network???* > Here's what I do. It's a little complex and "wasteful" but that hardly matters on a private range. I use 10.x.0.0/16 for my private networks, where x is usually 10 for my home network, and maybe a 20 for a "guest" wireless network if I have one configured. Within 10.10.0.0/16, I use the 3rd octet as a sort of type designator. Routers live at 10.10.254.x Wireless APs get 10.10.253.x Servers live at 10.10.240.x Fixed-address workstations get 10.10.10.x DHCP clients get 10.10.1.x There are some other categories, but I forget them. Specifics are basically a matter of preference anyway, but the overall system has worked well for me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091202/2cacf077/attachment.htm From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 15:29:41 2009 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:29:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <254fef0f0912021329s5316d541gc28100901a6df7ff@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, this is something you just make up to suit your needs. Personally, I have mine grouped by type of device in ranges that would allow for breaking them off into very fine-grained real subnets later if I want to. ie: 1-14 17-30 33-46 49-62 65-78 81-94 97-110 113-126 129-142 145-158 161-174 177-190 193-206 209-222 225-238 241-254 As you can see, I'm not using any of the numbers that would become the network or broadcast address for any /28 network. - Tony Yarusso From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Dec 2 18:32:43 2009 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <310846AAD49C479FBE3198B93D46EA82@usicorp.usinternet.com> I always like to use first usable in the subnet as the default gateway. When you have non /24 networks it sometimes is not as easy to remember the last usable as some people like to use for the gateway. If you're using something like HSRP, VRRP, or similar I like to have the virtual IP still be the first and then the second, third, etc be the physical routers. I like DHCP to start somewhere easy to remember (depends on network size) but I try to make it a 10's number (10, 20, 30,etc) and go not quite to the end of the subnet. Then I leave a handful of IPs open at the end of the subnet as reserved for cold spare equipment that will already have addresses assigned in the reserved range so you can just whack them into place and they are network-ready without having to console into them (server, switches, firewalls, etc) then change them to their proper final address. Then you also have a little breathing room at the front side of the subnet as well for any static assignments you may need. I like having categorized equipment on their own private networks. Servers on network A, workstations on B, voip phones on C, misc junk like printers and light utility things on D, etc. If your switches support private isolated vlans or even just private vlan edge ports this is fantastic for workstations and phones in particular. When interconnecting remote networks outside of your control via a VPN tunnel, having segregation makes it very nice (especially in case of address overlap) so you only have to NAT the things that need to cross the VPNs instead of all of your entire network. When possible multi-homing servers, routers, firewalls, etc is very nice to make an OOB management network as well. Then you don't have remote access (ssh, rdp, etc) open on the production facing networks which is great for security. You can then setup a private remote access VPN login that gives various users only access to various hosts as necessary. This OOB management network is another fantastic place for private/isolated vlans as well. This is likely going way beyond the scope of your request but you didn't have to read the whole email if you didn't want to. _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Rieff Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:06 PM To: TCLUG Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines Are there any basic guidelines for assigning ip address to various devices on the internal network??? That is ranges for different devices within the 255 numbers and/or as follows. .1 Gateway .?-.? switch .?- .? servers printers dhcp. Etc. Working on updating my internal network so would like to reorganize things in a proper manner. Hope you can help. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091202/a2f5fa07/attachment-0001.htm From trieff at greencaremankato.com Thu Dec 3 15:13:11 2009 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:13:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: TCLUG, Thanks for all the comments. I was kind of looking for a written industry standard. But, it seems that the practice is to standardize what you do across your network and then document it. Again thanks for all the well thought out advice. It will help me get this organized. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell From nesius at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 15:44:04 2009 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:44:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internal IP Address Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: >But, it seems that the practice is to standardize what you do across your network and then document it. Bingo. It's less about what everyone does versus you doing things consistently and having a system that works for you. There's no shortcut for documenting your address space. How you slice and dice it is up to you. Even then, the best laid plans of network administrators often go awry. When your 10 static addresses allocated for printers are used up and you add the 11th one... yeah. :) There are a handful of conventions - none of them truly universal. DHCP starting at 100, etc... It's a common default, but not a law like gravity. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091203/36783721/attachment.htm From pjcrump at bitstream.net Thu Dec 3 20:44:39 2009 From: pjcrump at bitstream.net (PJ Crump) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:44:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] HD Cloning In-Reply-To: <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com> <254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4B187797.6010702@bitstream.net> Thanks to all for the responses.. I ended up using ` - Nice tool Mr. B-o-B wrote: > Tony Yarusso wrote: > >> I also have been very pleased with CloneZilla, although it's really >> more intended for mass / repeated deployments, so sounds like overkill >> for your current task. >> >> My recommendation for this time would be just to use partimage >> directly. Clonezilla actually uses partimage "under the hood", along >> with its various other tasks, so you get the same benefits of usual >> usage types of both, just simplified. >> >> Now if you ever find yourself trying to image a room of 40 identical >> computers or whatever, then Clonzilla is the ticket, hands-down. >> >> - Tony Yarusso >> >> > > I disagree with this. Grab the clonezilla live cd, and your done. Easy. > > True, it can be setup to do mass rollouts, but at the same time it's > just a few settings and your off to the races for a one drive situation. > > Why settle for just the engine, when you can get the whole car? > > Bob > > From mkebob1134 at netscape.net Fri Dec 4 08:28:46 2009 From: mkebob1134 at netscape.net (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:28:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] HD Cloning In-Reply-To: <4B187797.6010702@bitstream.net> References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com> <254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <4B187797.6010702@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <4B191C9E.7090605@netscape.net> PJ Crump wrote: > Thanks to all for the responses.. I ended up using ` - Nice tool > Good Job! B-o-B -- We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude. Those who oppose us will be sent to Detroit. From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Fri Dec 4 12:45:52 2009 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:45:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cd/hd/wire free? Message-ID: <200912041845.nB4Ijq6Z024602@okra.fo4.net> i've 2 thinkpads with ailing CDs and HDs, otherwise fine. would seem my choices are * $repair 'em * $recycle 'em * run with ltsp * run them wireless running them wireless is apparently outside the scope of ltsp. it intrigues me because it seems so entirely within well understood linux technology, yet it appears to be entirely a fringe configuration, undocumented and unsupported. i imagine a reasonable approach might be ramfs root to get pcmcia/wlan/nfs going, then either pivotroot, bindmount, or unionfs. but it's all just a tad beyond my horizon of familiarity. any good pointers, anyone? tia, gregwm From aa0p at comcast.net Sat Dec 5 16:52:41 2009 From: aa0p at comcast.net (Steve Huntsman) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:52:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cd/hd/wire free? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1AE439.1030502@comcast.net> Suggest checking www.ltsp.org/ There the LTSP manual is downloadable which has a comprehensive discussion of operating wireless. Just requires more peripheral hardware than wired. Good luck! Steve tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. cd/hd/wire free? (greg wm) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:45:52 -0600 > From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) > Subject: [tclug-list] cd/hd/wire free? > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <200912041845.nB4Ijq6Z024602 at okra.fo4.net> > > i've 2 thinkpads with ailing CDs and HDs, otherwise fine. would seem my choices are > > * $repair 'em > * $recycle 'em > * run with ltsp > * run them wireless > > running them wireless is apparently outside the scope of ltsp. it intrigues > me because it seems so entirely within well understood linux technology, yet > it appears to be entirely a fringe configuration, undocumented and unsupported. > i imagine a reasonable approach might be ramfs root to get pcmcia/wlan/nfs > going, then either pivotroot, bindmount, or unionfs. but it's all just a tad > beyond my horizon of familiarity. any good pointers, anyone? > tia, > gregwm > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 6 > ***************************************** > From trieff at greencaremankato.com Mon Dec 7 07:49:31 2009 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:49:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: TCLUG, I need to access a device that has a default address of 192.168.1.20 so I can configure it for my existing network. My network is something different. What would be a work around so I do not have to re-invent the wheel. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell From admin at lctn.org Mon Dec 7 08:04:36 2009 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:04:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1D0B74.8080702@lctn.org> Add a second IP to your nic on the same subnet as the device Thomas Rieff wrote: > TCLUG, > I need to access a device that has a default address of 192.168.1.20 so I > can configure it for my existing network. > My network is something different. What would be a work around so I do not > have to re-invent the wheel. > Tom > > Thomas Rieff > GreenCare > 1717 3rd Avenue > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 344-8314 Office > (507) 344-8316 Fax > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Mon Dec 7 15:01:24 2009 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mailing List - AK) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:01:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <4B1D0B74.8080702@lctn.org> References: <4B1D0B74.8080702@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4B1D6D24.3050307@soul-dev.com> On 12/7/2009 8:04 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > Add a second IP to your nic on the same subnet as the device > > > Thomas Rieff wrote: > >> TCLUG, >> I need to access a device that has a default address of 192.168.1.20 so I >> can configure it for my existing network. >> My network is something different. What would be a work around so I do not >> have to re-invent the wheel. >> Tom >> >> Thomas Rieff >> GreenCare >> 1717 3rd Avenue >> Mankato, MN 56001 >> (507) 344-8314 Office >> (507) 344-8316 Fax >> (507) 381-0660 Cell >> >> >> I found this which would probably help you out: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-creating-ethernet-alias-for-eth0-network-device.html This pertains mainly to adding an IP alias (adding another IP to your nic) on Ubuntu (Debian). Or, you could always assign your primary NIC to another IP/subnet if you do not want to add an alias which would be as easy as: ifconfig em0 inet 192.16.1.21/24 to set it back (assuming you use DHCP): sudo dhclient em0 FYI, your network interface may not be em0 and you may not be using Ubuntu or Debian, and the device may not be on a /24 subnet (you never let us know). Have you solved your problem? -Mr. Mailinglists -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From trieff at greencaremankato.com Tue Dec 8 15:25:28 2009 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:25:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook Message-ID: TCLUG, Is Zimbra ZCS a good choice for replacing Outlook??? Currently we are not running an exchange server and Outlook clients are stand alone. As I understand it, Zimbra ZCS would add web access and server capability. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091208/8b744fa0/attachment.htm From cwgriesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 15:46:32 2009 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:46:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f246bf00912081346g5562cd36wd1ba8b45dd00ace6@mail.gmail.com> A nice midpoint between stand-alone Outlook and a full-blown mail server like Exchange or Zimbra is Google Apps for Domains. It gives you a top-notch web-based mail client. And if people won't pry their hands off of Outlook, you can set Outlook to sync with Google Mail. I've heard good things about Zimbra. But the smaller organizations I've worked with are better served by Google AFD than by trying to manage their own mail server. Curtis On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > TCLUG, > > Is Zimbra ZCS a good choice for replacing Outlook??? > > Currently we are not running an exchange server and Outlook clients are > stand alone. > > As I understand it, Zimbra ZCS would add web access and server capability. > > Tom > > > > Thomas Rieff > > GreenCare > > 1717 3rd Avenue > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > (507) 344-8314 Office > > (507) 344-8316 Fax > > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From trieff at greencaremankato.com Tue Dec 8 15:22:38 2009 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:22:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Accessing a device??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: TCLUG, Thanks to all for the advice on accessing a static ip different that the existing network. Change my nic to the same subnet and bingo I was in. I have the device reconfigured and on the network. Thanks again. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 15:57:17 2009 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:57:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: <7f246bf00912081346g5562cd36wd1ba8b45dd00ace6@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f246bf00912081346g5562cd36wd1ba8b45dd00ace6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70912081357y2c9b5086rfbb0c504ef817de3@mail.gmail.com> For smaller organizations you can do hosted Zimbra, too. We used www.01.comfor a couple years and loved the platform but moved to Google Apps as our other business applications offered sync connectors. I do still miss the Zimbra web interface and Zimbra desktop client. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Curtis Griesel wrote: > A nice midpoint between stand-alone Outlook and a full-blown mail > server like Exchange or Zimbra is Google Apps for Domains. It gives > you a top-notch web-based mail client. And if people won't pry their > hands off of Outlook, you can set Outlook to sync with Google Mail. > > I've heard good things about Zimbra. But the smaller organizations > I've worked with are better served by Google AFD than by trying to > manage their own mail server. > > Curtis > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Thomas Rieff > wrote: > > TCLUG, > > > > Is Zimbra ZCS a good choice for replacing Outlook??? > > > > Currently we are not running an exchange server and Outlook clients are > > stand alone. > > > > As I understand it, Zimbra ZCS would add web access and server > capability. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Thomas Rieff > > > > GreenCare > > > > 1717 3rd Avenue > > > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > > > (507) 344-8314 Office > > > > (507) 344-8316 Fax > > > > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091208/30bb8b44/attachment.htm From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Tue Dec 8 16:16:31 2009 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:16:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1ED03F.7000405@soul-dev.com> On 12/8/2009 3:25 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > > *TCLUG,* > > *Is Zimbra ZCS a good choice for replacing Outlook???* > > *Currently we are not running an exchange server and Outlook clients > are stand alone.* > > *As I understand it, Zimbra ZCS would add web access and server > capability.* > > *Tom* > > * * > > Thomas Rieff > > *GreenCare* > > *1717 3rd Avenue* > > *Mankato, MN 56001* > > *(507) 344-8314 Office* > > *(507) 344-8316 Fax* > > *(507) 381-0660 Cell* > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Your question to me looks like "Is replacing a standalone MUA with a full fledged Groupware implementation a good choice?". I guess I have a question for you, what is the desired outcome of replacing outlook/what do you want to be able to do? From the bit I understood it looks like you want to be able to access your e-mail wherever using a MUA, and be able to access e-mail via a web based implementation. This by itself is fairly easy setup of Postfix (MTA) -> Courier IMAP(S) -> Web based MUA (Roundcube). (I know others may like other MTA's and IMAP servers). I have wanted to give Horde Groupware a go (http://www.horde.org/webmail/) but I haven't gotten around to it. I have never used Zimbra before so I cant really say whether or not that it the way to go. I'm fairly scared of Google so unfortunately I usually dot recommend them (IMO). -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091208/b7a5c44a/attachment-0001.htm From andyzib at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 17:23:38 2009 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:23:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: <4B1ED03F.7000405@soul-dev.com> References: <4B1ED03F.7000405@soul-dev.com> Message-ID: Google Apps for your Domain is free for under 50 users. For "almost Exchange on the cheap" it works really well. Google provides all the tools needed to use Outlook with Google Apps, and add-ons for Thunderbird and Sunbird exist as well. On the Mac side, syncing with Google is fully supported without additional software under Snow Leopard. (Earlier MacOS versions needed additional software.) On mobile devices (iPhone, Windows Mobile, Android, Palm, whatever) users won't know the difference between Exchange and Google Apps. Google has implemented Active Sync for contacts and calendars. (Possibly mail too as well now, but I haven't double checked that...) Even free Google Apps accounts get SSL enabled POP3, IMAP, SMTP, and webmail now. Here are the differences between the Standard (free) and Premier ($50 per user/per year) versions of Google Apps: http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/group/index.html For an organization looking at groupware solutions Google Apps is a good starting place if you don't already have a solution. If Google Apps isn't your cup of tea, look into hosted services before you tackle running your own. Exchange is something you just don't want to manage. I don't have any experience with Zimbra myself. Above all, keep the users in mind. Generally it's better to give them what they want instead of giving them what you want. With business email, this usually means Outlook and an Exchange or Exchange like services. -- Andrew S. 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I would like to download the email from this provider and put them on the server as an imap to the client app. Is it a good idea to be saving emails??? I looked at the suggested Horde Groupware and this has potential as I already have a Ubuntu server running in the office. The Zimbra would require a standalone server, which may have its own merits. In the experimenting stage, so can try different things and hopefully have online by our spring season. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell Your question to me looks like "Is replacing a standalone MUA with a full fledged Groupware implementation a good choice?". I guess I have a question for you, what is the desired outcome of replacing outlook/what do you want to be able to do? From the bit I understood it looks like you want to be able to access your e-mail wherever using a MUA, and be able to access e-mail via a web based implementation. This by itself is fairly easy setup of Postfix (MTA) -> Courier IMAP(S) -> Web based MUA (Roundcube). (I know others may like other MTA's and IMAP servers). I have wanted to give Horde Groupware a go (http://www.horde.org/webmail/) but I haven't gotten around to it. I have never used Zimbra before so I cant really say whether or not that it the way to go. I'm fairly scared of Google so unfortunately I usually dot recommend them (IMO). -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Dec 8 22:00:55 2009 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:00:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zimbra, Scalix, Atmail, and Roundcube all have nice looking products. Pricing varies but I believe they all have at least a free version. I think Scalix is the most feature rich and the most "desktop like" but is very complex like Zimbra to setup and maintain. I am sending this via roundcube and its pretty awesome for a simple ajax webmail client. On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:31:03 -0600, "Thomas Rieff" wrote: > TCLUG, > Thanks for the responses so far. > The Outlook client is from 2000 so I think it is time for a change. Also, > groupware features would help office functionality. > Yes I would like to go web based app. Now we have to vpn into our network > and use a vnc to access our email from the outside. > Our hosting is with our cable internet provider. As far as spam, the > service > has been excellent and I am not interested in changing this. > I would like to download the email from this provider and put them on the > server as an imap to the client app. Is it a good idea to be saving > emails??? > I looked at the suggested Horde Groupware and this has potential as I > already have a Ubuntu server running in the office. The Zimbra would > require > a standalone server, which may have its own merits. In the experimenting > stage, so can try different things and hopefully have online by our spring > season. > Tom > > > Thomas Rieff > GreenCare > 1717 3rd Avenue > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 344-8314 Office > (507) 344-8316 Fax > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > > Your question to me looks like "Is replacing a standalone MUA with a > full fledged Groupware implementation a good choice?". > > I guess I have a question for you, what is the desired outcome of > replacing outlook/what do you want to be able to do? > > From the bit I understood it looks like you want to be able to access > your e-mail wherever using a MUA, and be able to access e-mail via a web > based implementation. This by itself is fairly easy setup of Postfix > (MTA) -> Courier IMAP(S) -> Web based MUA (Roundcube). (I know others > may like other MTA's and IMAP servers). > > I have wanted to give Horde Groupware a go > (http://www.horde.org/webmail/) but I haven't gotten around to it. I > have never used Zimbra before so I cant really say whether or not that > it the way to go. > > I'm fairly scared of Google so unfortunately I usually dot recommend > them (IMO). > > -- > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mkebob1134 at netscape.net Wed Dec 9 09:45:03 2009 From: mkebob1134 at netscape.net (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:45:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: References: <4B1ED03F.7000405@soul-dev.com> Message-ID: <4B1FC5FF.90408@netscape.net> Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > Exchange is something you just don't want to manage. Don't let this scare you. It's really not that bad. I manage a few Exchange boxes, and once you figure out stupid it is fairly painless (forgive me) and it works well (forgive me again)! (I will flog myself for hours after this message for forgiveness). Downside to Exchange is the cost. You will need a 64 bit box with tough hardware, seperate box for the AD (although you can get this to work on the same box, it is not really supported), and lets not forget the fancy CAL's. Cha-ching, Cha-Ching!!! I can't speak for Zimbra as I have never touched it, but the other solutions mentioned already are all excellent. One thing I can speak from experience is the Full blown Courier-MTA. I know the Courier Imap is popular, but the entire Courier system is pretty nice. I have set this up for a few companies in the past, and all were happy. There is a 3rd party outlook plugin available for it as well to support the groupware features. It has a fairly basic web based config admin, webmail, and just about everything you might want. I just thought I'd mention it. Good Luck Brother! Viva la Slackware!!! B-o-B -- We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude. Those who oppose us will be sent to Detroit. From srcfoo at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 10:48:32 2009 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:48:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <579c6fd30912090848q53552037l30edc574974c2fa0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > TCLUG, > > Is Zimbra ZCS a good choice for replacing Outlook??? > > Currently we are not running an exchange server and Outlook clients are > stand alone. > > As I understand it, Zimbra ZCS would add web access and server capability. > > Tom I use Zimbra at work and Google Apps for my own stuff. Zimbra is a quality product and I don't mind it's interface. I would not say I love it. It seems to have trouble when integrating with Outlook especially when it comes to calendaring. Our less than Tech savvy users always complain about it and some have even gone as far as putting up campaigns in their offices to get rid of Zimbra. I can't say that their complaints are warranted as I generally have no problems working in the Zimbra web interface and I can do everything I need. My sysadmin will read this and probably punch me tomorrow. Sorry, man! Google apps is solid and I really like the interface. But (this may be a big but too), you must trust your data with Google. Personally I don't mind Google having access to my email as it's probably more or less worthless anyway, but I can understand why some might not like it. I've also administered Scalix in the past. I enjoyed it and found it to be a rock solid product. Again, we occasionally experienced issues with Outlook plugins and I think that will always be a problem with third party Exchange emulators and Outlook. Eric From jherrick at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 10:56:25 2009 From: jherrick at gmail.com (Jim Herrick) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:56:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30912090848q53552037l30edc574974c2fa0@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30912090848q53552037l30edc574974c2fa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1FD6B9.6010708@gmail.com> On 12/9/2009 11:48 AM, Eric Peterson wrote: > Google apps is solid and I really like the interface. But (this may be > a big but too), you must trust your data with Google. Personally I > don't mind Google having access to my email as it's probably more or > less worthless anyway, but I can understand why some might not like > it. > Don't usually care for using web-based interfaces for email, so I've been really happy using Thunderbird (Shredder, the nightly build) and Lightning (the integrated calendar) both pointing at my Gmail / Google Apps account (using the gdata provider) for mail and shared calendars. Jim From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Wed Dec 9 11:14:45 2009 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:14:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1FDB05.1020900@soul-dev.com> On 12/8/2009 5:31 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > TCLUG, > Thanks for the responses so far. > The Outlook client is from 2000 so I think it is time for a change. Also, Yup, I agree, nothing is better than an outdated, vulnerability ridden old (and unsupported) Outlook client ;-). > groupware features would help office functionality. > Yes I would like to go web based app. > Now we have to vpn into our network > and use a vnc to access our email from the outside. What an absolute pain! > Our hosting is with our cable internet provider. As far as spam, the service > has been excellent and I am not interested in changing this. Ah, this is where things get a little wamboozled. I believe your ISP supports IMAPS support which would allow you to host a webmail client and directly access your mboxes (from initial glance it looks like you may have webmail support? mail.greengcaremankato.com). Since you enjoy there spam filtering, you really cant take your ISP out of the mix. > I would like to download the email from this provider and put them on the > server as an imap to the client app. Is it a good idea to be saving > emails??? Absofrigganlutely! Right now all your mail belongs to your ISP since that is where it is hosted. IMO, I would have your ISP bounce mail (after filtering) to your server, that you have full control over and set up a retention and backup policy. Also, if your server was down, your ISP would queue your mail until it was up for delivery. > I looked at the suggested Horde Groupware and this has potential as I > already have a Ubuntu server running in the office. The Zimbra would require > a standalone server, which may have its own merits. In the experimenting > stage, so can try different things and hopefully have online by our spring > season. > Tom From what I have seen you may not even need to worry about the MTA/MX part of things if your ISP supports the protocols you require. Although, say if you are running an web based MUA on a local machine and your mail is hosted by your ISP, you will have degraded performance. Again, I would recommend having your ISP bounce mail to a local server, then do what you will. Can you all tell im bored today ;-) Sorry for my disorganized thoughts, hopefully I helped someone out. > > > Thomas Rieff > GreenCare > 1717 3rd Avenue > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 344-8314 Office > (507) 344-8316 Fax > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > > Your question to me looks like "Is replacing a standalone MUA with a > full fledged Groupware implementation a good choice?". > > I guess I have a question for you, what is the desired outcome of > replacing outlook/what do you want to be able to do? > > From the bit I understood it looks like you want to be able to access > your e-mail wherever using a MUA, and be able to access e-mail via a web > based implementation. This by itself is fairly easy setup of Postfix > (MTA) -> Courier IMAP(S) -> Web based MUA (Roundcube). (I know others > may like other MTA's and IMAP servers). > > I have wanted to give Horde Groupware a go > (http://www.horde.org/webmail/) but I haven't gotten around to it. I > have never used Zimbra before so I cant really say whether or not that > it the way to go. > > I'm fairly scared of Google so unfortunately I usually dot recommend > them (IMO). > > -- > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments > > > -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Wed Dec 9 11:18:40 2009 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:18:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: <4B1FD6B9.6010708@gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30912090848q53552037l30edc574974c2fa0@mail.gmail.com> <4B1FD6B9.6010708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1FDBF0.3020904@soul-dev.com> On 12/9/2009 10:56 AM, Jim Herrick wrote: > On 12/9/2009 11:48 AM, Eric Peterson wrote: >> Google apps is solid and I really like the interface. But (this may be >> a big but too), you must trust your data with Google. Personally I >> don't mind Google having access to my email as it's probably more or >> less worthless anyway, but I can understand why some might not like >> it. >> > > Don't usually care for using web-based interfaces for email, so I've > been really happy using Thunderbird (Shredder, the nightly build) and > Lightning (the integrated calendar) both pointing at my Gmail / Google > Apps account (using the gdata provider) for mail and shared calendars. > > Jim > Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From mkebob1134 at netscape.net Thu Dec 10 20:17:30 2009 From: mkebob1134 at netscape.net (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:17:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B21ABBA.90504@netscape.net> Thomas Rieff wrote: > TCLUG, > Thanks for the responses so far. > The Outlook client is from 2000 so I think it is time for a change. Also, > groupware features would help office functionality. > Yes I would like to go web based app. Now we have to vpn into our network > and use a vnc to access our email from the outside. > Our hosting is with our cable internet provider. As far as spam, the service > has been excellent and I am not interested in changing this. > I would like to download the email from this provider and put them on the > server as an imap to the client app. Is it a good idea to be saving > emails??? > I looked at the suggested Horde Groupware and this has potential as I > already have a Ubuntu server running in the office. The Zimbra would require > a standalone server, which may have its own merits. In the experimenting > stage, so can try different things and hopefully have online by our spring > season. > Tom > > Take a look at www.zarafa.com This looks really cool, and I think I might give it a test at work. I have been on again, off again researching a replacement for our Exchange 2007 server, but a lot of the open source alternatives don't compare well with the whole package. Zarafa looks pretty sweet. I does calendaring, task lists, contacts, e-mail, Blackberry, mobile sync, and has a nice looking webmail. Cool thing is it look to sit on top of your own servers MTA. It also supports Outlook mapi sharing. Just thought I mention it, as this looks to be the coolest thing I've seen in the groupware land ever. Good Luck. B-o-B -- We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude. Those who oppose us will be sent to Detroit. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Dec 11 03:31:35 2009 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:31:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200912110931.nBB9VZs06851@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Das Keyboard Ultimate (v3) I have a very gently used Das Keyboard Ultimate (Model DASK3, Serial DASK3ULT 0809001447) for sale. This is a keyboard sporting Blue Cherry "clicky" mechanical key switches, giving it the great tactile and audible response loved by users of the classic IBM Model M, but with a modern twist. It is a USB keyboard, with a 6' cable and a built-in 2-port USB 2.0 hub as well. The keys on this one are entirely *blank*, so it's great for touch-typists, whether you're in the camp of QWERTY, Dvorak, or something else. It really is a joy to type on - feels great! Reason for sale: I plan to upgrade to the new Das Keyboard Model S when they become available, for better compatibility with my somewhat unusual KVM switch + USB extension setup. Detailed specs are identical to the DK Original Professional on http://www.daskeyboard.com/ except that I have the *blank* keys version as shown in my ad's picture URL. Condition detail: Light wear on some common keys, particulary the space bar, F, J, A, R on a QWERTY layout. (Just shining down the original matte finish a little, nothing actually damaging.) Fully functional - no spills, etc. Dust has been blown out. Detail pictures could be taken upon request. Original price was $130 USD. Again, in excellent condition. Make me a reasonable offer and we'll talk. - Tony Yarusso Seller Email address: tonyyarusso at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From escargo at skypoint.com Fri Dec 11 11:39:54 2009 From: escargo at skypoint.com (David S. Cargo) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:39:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair Message-ID: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> First things first. I have a HP LaserJet 5P (gotten for free), that has started getting old and cranky (instead of just old). There a dark bands where toner goes where it isn't supposed to and now the paper won't feed from its paper cassette tray. Can anybody recommend a local printer repair place that works with antiques? In case repair isn't possible (or economical), I'm interested in a replacement printer, ideally one that is already network capable. When I look at printers for which there are CUPS drivers listed, I don't see any of the latest printers from HP, Lexmark, or Samsung. The Samsung ML-2851ND looks nice in terms of cost per page. It's not clear to me if Linux can print to the Samsung, the Lexmark E120n or E260dn, or some of the later HPs. Can somebody recommend where I might find that information? Thanks. (I'm looking a buying a printer for OfficeMax or BestBuy. If there's another good local source, I'd be interested in hearing abut that too.) escargo From mkebob1134 at netscape.net Fri Dec 11 11:53:11 2009 From: mkebob1134 at netscape.net (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:53:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair In-Reply-To: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> References: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4B228707.3040403@netscape.net> David S. Cargo wrote: > First things first. > > I have a HP LaserJet 5P (gotten for free), that has started getting > old and cranky (instead of just old). There a dark bands where toner > goes where it isn't supposed to and now the paper won't feed from its > paper cassette tray. Can anybody recommend a local printer repair > place that works with antiques? > > In case repair isn't possible (or economical), I'm interested in a > replacement printer, ideally one that is already network capable. > > When I look at printers for which there are CUPS drivers listed, I > don't see any of the latest printers from HP, Lexmark, or Samsung. > The Samsung ML-2851ND looks nice in terms of cost per page. It's > not clear to me if Linux can print to the Samsung, the Lexmark > E120n or E260dn, or some of the later HPs. > > Can somebody recommend where I might find that information? > > Thanks. (I'm looking a buying a printer for OfficeMax or BestBuy. > If there's another good local source, I'd be interested in hearing > abut that too.) > > escargo > Linux can print to all HP printers, and probably most of the others. Hp has a cool program called HPLIP, and it is usually included with most distros. I use it at work, and it's awesome. Good Luck Bob -- We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude. Those who oppose us will be sent to Detroit. From dniesen at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 12:00:42 2009 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:00:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair In-Reply-To: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> References: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70912111000l5126b7d4v3b006789d60cc624@mail.gmail.com> Unless you can get that thing fixed dirt cheap, you're usually better off just junking it and getting a new printer. I've had good luck with Brother laser printers. You can get one with networking built-in for as little as $110: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0278901 The toner cartridge it comes with is only good for about 1,000 pages but these have been pretty solid. Brother has excellent Linux driver support as well. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:39 AM, David S. Cargo wrote: > First things first. > > I have a HP LaserJet 5P (gotten for free), that has started getting > old and cranky (instead of just old). There a dark bands where toner > goes where it isn't supposed to and now the paper won't feed from its > paper cassette tray. Can anybody recommend a local printer repair > place that works with antiques? > > In case repair isn't possible (or economical), I'm interested in a > replacement printer, ideally one that is already network capable. > > When I look at printers for which there are CUPS drivers listed, I > don't see any of the latest printers from HP, Lexmark, or Samsung. > The Samsung ML-2851ND looks nice in terms of cost per page. It's > not clear to me if Linux can print to the Samsung, the Lexmark > E120n or E260dn, or some of the later HPs. > > Can somebody recommend where I might find that information? > > Thanks. (I'm looking a buying a printer for OfficeMax or BestBuy. > If there's another good local source, I'd be interested in hearing > abut that too.) > > escargo > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091211/de0a16ca/attachment.htm From kc0iog at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 12:13:23 2009 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:13:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair In-Reply-To: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> References: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da0912111013k15235b22l1afc1c00617a59fe@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:39 AM, David S. Cargo wrote: > I have a HP LaserJet 5P (gotten for free), that has started getting > old and cranky (instead of just old). ?There a dark bands where toner > goes where it isn't supposed to and now the paper won't feed from its > paper cassette tray. ?Can anybody recommend a local printer repair > place that works with antiques? Plenty of places will work on it, but labor alone will cost you $100 easy. Not worth it. These days I like the business class inkjets. Faster, and depending on model, sometimes cheaper per page than laserjets. I picked up a HP business class something or other with a built in network card, two trays, and a duplexer for ~$150 new. I've had it for over a year, haven't replaced a cartridge yet. Photo printing is a bit iffy, I've seen better inkets but the network + business grade internals made it a good buy. Oh, and linux support, can't beat it. Give CUPS the IP, and magic happens. Brian From jherrick at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 12:30:55 2009 From: jherrick at gmail.com (Jim Herrick) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:30:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0912111013k15235b22l1afc1c00617a59fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> <2c6699da0912111013k15235b22l1afc1c00617a59fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B228FDF.2090205@gmail.com> On 12/11/2009 1:13 PM, Brian Wall wrote: > > Plenty of places will work on it, but labor alone will cost you $100 > easy. Not worth it. > > Agreed. Once every two years or so, I'll pick up a replacement used/refurb LaserJet from IdleAssetAuctions.com (warehouse in Vadnais Heights) for 10-20 bucks plus tax and the hassle of driving there to pick it up. Jim From Dean.Benjamin at mm.com Fri Dec 11 12:34:30 2009 From: Dean.Benjamin at mm.com (Dean.Benjamin at mm.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:34:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair In-Reply-To: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> References: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091211121844.026ee298@pop.mm.com> I had my HP Laserjet 5 repaired last year for $70 at A to Z Laser Printer Repair 443 Old Hwy 8 # 102A New Brighton MN 55112 My symptoms resembled yours; the fuser had to be replaced. Those old HP LJ5s are built like military tanks, and just keep on keepin' on. Mine was under steady use in a large office for 15+ years, where it cranked out thousands of pages per month, before its fuser broke down. In my home office, I expect to expire before it does. Alternatively, you stand a good chance to find an used one at MPC/Reboot in Eagan for ~$50. http://www.reboot-store.com/ At 12/11/2009 11:39 AM, David S. Cargo wrote: >I have a HP LaserJet 5P (gotten for free), that has started getting >old and cranky (instead of just old). There a dark bands where toner >goes where it isn't supposed to and now the paper won't feed from its >paper cassette tray. Can anybody recommend a local printer repair >place that works with antiques? From kc0iog at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 12:52:39 2009 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:52:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091211121844.026ee298@pop.mm.com> References: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091211121844.026ee298@pop.mm.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da0912111052r34b9ffafxa4f45c9302b96e10@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:34 PM, wrote: > I had my HP Laserjet 5 repaired last year for $70 at > ? ?A to Z Laser Printer Repair > ? ?443 Old Hwy 8 # 102A > ? ?New Brighton MN ?55112 Dang, parts and labor? I suppose a fuser is a quick install (did many of those at my last job), but just getting someone to look at it is usually a costly venture. > Those old HP LJ5s are built like military tanks, and just keep on > keepin' on. Indeed. The fuser was the first part to go, and even then you could expect 10+ years before your first real service event. Sometimes a pickup roller would need replacing, but even those were rare. Compare to the 4xxx series that replaced the LJ5, the fusers are made of a different material that flakes off easily and damages other parts in the printer. Not that I have any pent up hatred for that line of printers. Grrr.. Brian From kjh at flyballdogs.com Fri Dec 11 12:59:21 2009 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:59:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70912111000l5126b7d4v3b006789d60cc624@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> <47f4d5e70912111000l5126b7d4v3b006789d60cc624@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2e69e0474bb8a517f38f138d5a3ae19f.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> Donovan wrote: > Unless you can get that thing fixed dirt cheap, you're usually better off > just junking it and getting a new printer. I've had good luck with > Brother > laser printers. You can get one with networking built-in for as little as > $110: > > http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0278901 > > The toner cartridge it comes with is only good for about 1,000 pages but > these have been pretty solid. Brother has excellent Linux driver support > as > well. I've had a brother HL-2170w for just under a year. I picked it up just after Christmas for $95. I had an issue directly connecting it to the network but that was probably because of a dodgy switch (which I found out later). So I just connected it to my server. It works great and when the toner did die, the high capacity toner (2500 pages) was in the mid $40's I think. -- Kathryn http://womensfooty.com National Team Donation - http://womensfooty.com/freedom/donate From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 13:03:30 2009 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:03:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair In-Reply-To: <4B228707.3040403@netscape.net> References: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> <4B228707.3040403@netscape.net> Message-ID: I have a Lexmark E260dn and I am extremely pleased with it. It works great in Linux, Mac, and Windows. The printer speaks PS, PCL5, and PCL6. I opened the box and connected it directly to the network, never used the USB connection. I love having a duplex printer at home. We've put it through about 1,500 pages since I purchased it less than a year ago and it's still working great. The only thing it's missing to make it the perfect home office network printer is wireless networking, which can be worked around with a wireless bridge if needed. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091211/ae07ebc6/attachment.htm From auditodd at comcast.net Fri Dec 11 13:06:52 2009 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091211121844.026ee298@pop.mm.com> Message-ID: <1795584809.573011260558412943.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I love my HP LJ5si. Damn thing is 22 years old and still going strong. Networked and a duplexer. I recycled one about 3 months ago because I was cleaning out my basement. About the only thing that didn't work was the Tray1 feed. Guess I should have posted it... ---------- Todd Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Benjamin" To: "David S. Cargo" Cc: "TCLUG List" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:34:30 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair I had my HP Laserjet 5 repaired last year for $70 at A to Z Laser Printer Repair 443 Old Hwy 8 # 102A New Brighton MN 55112 My symptoms resembled yours; the fuser had to be replaced. Those old HP LJ5s are built like military tanks, and just keep on keepin' on. Mine was under steady use in a large office for 15+ years, where it cranked out thousands of pages per month, before its fuser broke down. In my home office, I expect to expire before it does. From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Dec 11 15:40:02 2009 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:40:02 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091211121844.026ee298@pop.mm.com> Message-ID: I have some lease return HP 4050tn (tn means two trays plus network) printers for $80 ea These are a better pro-grade than the LJ5s, smarter, built like tanks, and cheap to run. I get refilled cartridges off ebay for about $20 including shipping, and a cartridge lasts for about a whole box or paper - 5 to 10 reams. Far better than an inkjet and doesn't clog. Can get the duplexer cheap and that will allow auto-printing on both sides. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of > Dean.Benjamin at mm.com > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:35 PM > To: David S. Cargo > Cc: TCLUG List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old > printer repair > > > I had my HP Laserjet 5 repaired last year for $70 at > A to Z Laser Printer Repair > 443 Old Hwy 8 # 102A > New Brighton MN 55112 > > My symptoms resembled yours; the fuser had to be replaced. > > Those old HP LJ5s are built like military tanks, and just keep on > keepin' on. Mine was under steady use in a large office for 15+ > years, where it cranked out thousands of pages per month, before its > fuser broke down. In my home office, I expect to expire before it does. > > Alternatively, you stand a good chance to find an used one at > MPC/Reboot in Eagan for ~$50. http://www.reboot-store.com/ > > > > At 12/11/2009 11:39 AM, David S. Cargo wrote: > >I have a HP LaserJet 5P (gotten for free), that has started getting > >old and cranky (instead of just old). There a dark bands where toner > >goes where it isn't supposed to and now the paper won't feed from its > >paper cassette tray. Can anybody recommend a local printer repair > >place that works with antiques? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date: 12/11/09 04:06:00 > From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Dec 11 19:31:06 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:31:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux support for network printers and old printer repair In-Reply-To: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> References: <9d05i5hhv9a2vdv4cv5t7mu81vh9j8m6ih@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4B22F25A.8010509@mtu.net> On 12/11/2009 11:39 AM, David S. Cargo wrote: > First things first. > > I have a HP LaserJet 5P (gotten for free), that has started getting > old and cranky (instead of just old). There a dark bands where toner > goes where it isn't supposed to and now the paper won't feed from its > paper cassette tray. Can anybody recommend a local printer repair > place that works with antiques? > > In case repair isn't possible (or economical), I'm interested in a > replacement printer, ideally one that is already network capable. > > When I look at printers for which there are CUPS drivers listed, I > don't see any of the latest printers from HP, Lexmark, or Samsung. > The Samsung ML-2851ND looks nice in terms of cost per page. It's > not clear to me if Linux can print to the Samsung, the Lexmark > E120n or E260dn, or some of the later HPs. > > Can somebody recommend where I might find that information? > > Thanks. (I'm looking a buying a printer for OfficeMax or BestBuy. > If there's another good local source, I'd be interested in hearing > abut that too.) > I've been using the brother network printers and they work rather well with Linux. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From gm5729 at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 06:57:55 2009 From: gm5729 at gmail.com (GK) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 06:57:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Help for a friends network setup in northern St. Paul Message-ID: <20091212125755.GB6875@lauren> Hey Gang, I have a friend up in northern St. Paul that before I left the TC area setup on Debian Lenny. I was ssh'ing into the box got disconnected then could no longer access the box. I'm fairly sure the IP didn't change on me to cause the disconnect I have not updated this box because if an update broke it I was not up there to fix it. Exim4 takes a Longggg time on boot, and her skype was working an no longer works. Even though it is detected by lsusb. Skype is not detecting her webcam video. Audio is fine. She just bought a new Linksys wifi router and I'm pretty sure she pulled a wrong wire out and plugged it in to were it doesn't belong. Regardless on a direct connection with her linux box and a new netbook we can't setup the router on its standard web browser interface. No connection to host. I've tried cycling it, etc, etc. This could all be a 1/2's help or longer. I really don't know. If you do an update on Lenny and it breaks I don't remember if I set her box out as a separate /home or not. I usually do on my installs. She has a gb of ram it may just be faster to load Linux Mint on there because it will have all the codecs without messing around. There is a USB HDD backup available to make a current backup!!!! As the one usually having to ssh in to help fix things I don't mind Mint. PLEASE don't put any shape or form of *bunt* on there. I would be lost as a high ball in weeds on an RPM based distro because I don't know their repo setups. If I was up there and had the time I would put Slack or Arch and and be done with it personally. I am hanging out in IRC as VampirePenguin. "Payment" arrangements will be between you and her. It could range from cash to pizza and beer. Whatever you all accept as good. Thanks for your help. VP -- GNUPG validated with key 0xD537A8E1. Questionable validations please verify by phone for authenticity. RTF, TXT, LaTeX, PDF and DJVU files inline or by attachment are gladly accepted. Confidentiality guaranteed only by strong encrypted formats. Windows GNUPG Version: ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/gnupg-w32cli-1.4.10b.exe Bcrypt encryption, all platforms: http://bcrypt.sourceforge.net/ Proudly made by your nearest Mutt and Vim using Linux. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091212/0ee4b2ad/attachment.htm From zzabnr at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 14:37:30 2009 From: zzabnr at gmail.com (bnr bnr) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:37:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Help for a friends network setup in northern St. Paul (GK) Message-ID: <8aa998960912121237h66a795a1l65841812301d26a7@mail.gmail.com> > As the one usually having to ssh in to help fix things I don't mind > Mint. PLEASE don't put any shape or form of *bunt* on there. First, Mint is Ubuntu + Codecs. http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint > Linux Mint is an Ubuntu-based distribution whose goal is to provide a > more complete out-of-the-box experience by including browser plugins, > media codecs, support for DVD playback, Java and other components. Second Whats wrong with Ubuntu? I find that it is one of the best distros for people who just want to use their computers and don't care to learn how everything works. I have numerous non-techie users on Ubuntu and rarely have any service calls with them. I would volunteer, but I am not exactly in the neighborhood -- and Ubuntu would be my first choice distro (if a fix of debian is ruled out). -Abner From jjensen at apache.org Sun Dec 13 19:18:30 2009 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:18:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LVM correction help Message-ID: <004001ca7c5b$5d251560$176f4020$@org> Hi, I really messed up LVM on my backup server. I'm really out of my depth with this, and seriously need help. I've been trying to figure it out the past few hours. I know what I did, but not sure if I did what I intended nor how to correct it. Currently the system won't boot (Fedora 11). I can boot the install CD and use Rescue System option to get a shell. Files et al are there. The system was low on space, so I added a new drive. It already had 3 drives, so I intended to move extents from 2 drives to the new drive so I can remove the 2 drives. I believe I successfully moved them using the Partition Manager tool. Too easy in fact! I then removed the 2 drives from the LV and rebooted. It fails of course - I see the POST, then some initial messages, and then it hangs with a blank screen. I've reviewed lvm CLI commands, looked at statuses, and even tried restoring from the automatically created LVM archive files (vgcfgrestore). I'm not sure that that works from the shell, as when I reboot again (not using the rescue), the lvm cfg is the same (pvdisplay). Does anyone have suggestions on how to proceed to fix this? From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Sun Dec 13 19:49:30 2009 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, Linux User) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:49:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] When and where are upcoming Linux group meetings? Message-ID: <20091213194930.b4111f95.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> -- Jason Hsu, Linux User From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 22:16:23 2009 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:16:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LVM correction help In-Reply-To: <004001ca7c5b$5d251560$176f4020$@org> References: <004001ca7c5b$5d251560$176f4020$@org> Message-ID: <254fef0f0912132016l6178d5a5k4a2c6a0a29055bee@mail.gmail.com> My suspicion is that it's actually the bootloader that's messed up rather than the logical volumes themselves. (most likely) Grub is configured to point to the old drive, and doesn't find anything there. So what you'll need to do if that's the case is to use grub-setup/grub-install to update the Master Boot Record to know about your new drive, and then possibly the menu.lst to know that the system itself moved too if it doesn't figure that out automatically. - Tony Yarusso From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 23:26:41 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:26:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] mount point for camera Message-ID: My camera is made by Canon. It seems like most devices are easier to work with than this. Both on Windows and Ubuntu the camera is somewhat hidden when I attach it to the USB port. I did find the mount point here: ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,004/ With the JPEG files in this subdirectory: ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,004/DCIM/100CANON The annoying thing is that every time I attach the camera it increments the number at the end of the directory name, like so: ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,004/ ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,005/ ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,006/ ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,007/ To me this looks like a pointless annoyance that almost certainly is caused by some kind of software in the camera. It would be nice if I could make it always be the same mount point. Any ideas? Otherwise, I guess this will always work to copy the files into the default directory: cp -p ~/.gvfs/gphoto2*/DCIM/100CANON/*.{JPG,AVI} . I could write a little script or alias for that. I haven't bothered to look into the f-spot program that Ubuntu wants to automatically handle the photos. Anyone using that and liking it? Best, Mike From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 04:50:54 2009 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:50:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] mount point for camera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is odd - if configured correctly, the camera should just appear as a standard usb mass storage device (/dev/sdb1 or something similar). I seem to remember a few Canons I've had having two options in their usb setup. If one option was selected, it showed up as a mass storage device and the second, it showed up as, well, something else (I can't recall atm). Poke around in the camera's menu system to see if you cand find anything like this. What does dmesg say when you connect the device? That should tell you what type of usb device it's presenting itself as. Also, depending on how the device identifies itself when connected, you may be able to create a persistent udev rule so that it always assigns the same device node. -Erik On 12/13/09, Mike Miller wrote: > My camera is made by Canon. It seems like most devices are easier to work > with than this. Both on Windows and Ubuntu the camera is somewhat hidden > when I attach it to the USB port. I did find the mount point here: > > ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,004/ > > With the JPEG files in this subdirectory: > > ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,004/DCIM/100CANON > > The annoying thing is that every time I attach the camera it increments > the number at the end of the directory name, like so: > > ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,004/ > ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,005/ > ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,006/ > ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,007/ > > To me this looks like a pointless annoyance that almost certainly is > caused by some kind of software in the camera. It would be nice if I > could make it always be the same mount point. Any ideas? > > Otherwise, I guess this will always work to copy the files into the > default directory: > > cp -p ~/.gvfs/gphoto2*/DCIM/100CANON/*.{JPG,AVI} . > > I could write a little script or alias for that. I haven't bothered to > look into the f-spot program that Ubuntu wants to automatically handle the > photos. Anyone using that and liking it? > > Best, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik Anderson http://andersonfam.org From jjensen at apache.org Mon Dec 14 07:06:43 2009 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:06:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LVM correction help In-Reply-To: <254fef0f0912132016l6178d5a5k4a2c6a0a29055bee@mail.gmail.com> References: <004001ca7c5b$5d251560$176f4020$@org> <254fef0f0912132016l6178d5a5k4a2c6a0a29055bee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009901ca7cbe$4c306170$e4912450$@org> Thank you for the suggestion. I ran grub-install /dev/sda and rebooted, but encountered the same hang. I don't have a "grub-setup" program on either of my systems. I was reviewing man pages for grub and did not see additional items/params to use. I'm out of my experience again with grub, as I have never had to manually use it before, so I could easily miss something needed. Is there something more to do to configure MBR with the new drive? I also looked at menu.lst, and all paths use the LV name except "splashimage=" and "root", which use hd(0,0), so I am not sure what to change there. I just noticed the "setup" subcommand of the grub CLI. Perhaps this is what you meant? Possibly this info will help - this is the /dev items and changes I did that caused this mess: - sda1 is /boot. fdisk still shows it as the only one marked bootable. - sda2, sdb1, sdc1, sdd1 are/were in LV. - sdd1 is the new drive. - sdb1 and sdc1 are the two drives I moved PEs to sdd1, and removed them from the LV. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Tony Yarusso Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:16 PM To: tclug-list Subject: Re: [tclug-list] LVM correction help My suspicion is that it's actually the bootloader that's messed up rather than the logical volumes themselves. (most likely) Grub is configured to point to the old drive, and doesn't find anything there. So what you'll need to do if that's the case is to use grub-setup/grub-install to update the Master Boot Record to know about your new drive, and then possibly the menu.lst to know that the system itself moved too if it doesn't figure that out automatically. - Tony Yarusso _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From justin.kremer at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 07:54:31 2009 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:54:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] mount point for camera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27e6356a0912140554n4afc707eo6bb6b7dcd6e81270@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > My camera is made by Canon. ?It seems like most devices are easier to work > with than this. ?Both on Windows and Ubuntu the camera is somewhat hidden > when I attach it to the USB port. ?I did find the mount point here: I know this isn't the solution you're looking for, but I have always used a USB card reader instead of the cable. Then it shows up on your computer the same way a thumbdrive would. I have never had a problem that way (and I've used them with Linux/Windows/OSX) and it gives me two bonuses: 1. If the camera's battery is dead, I can till get the pictures off of it. (also works if the camera itself is dead, like when my mom dropped hers into the edge of the Mediterranean, but we got the card out before the salt water seeped in far enough to destroy the card. Unfortunately, it cannot help you if you lose the camera altogether! Surprise!) 2. I keep a spare card in my reader, and use that as a thumbdrive, so the reader serves a double duty...and if I run out of space on the card in my camera, I have whatever space is left on that spare card to use. Personally, I always use MicroSD and have a reader for that, and a SD to MicroSD adapter for my camera. I got mine as a kit with a 2GB MicroSD card, SD converter, SDHC converter, and USB to MicroSD reader for somewhere around $15 quite some time ago. - Justin From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Mon Dec 14 08:09:49 2009 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:09:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] mount point for camera In-Reply-To: <1260799096.11533.1350001803@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1260799096.11533.1350001803@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1260799789.13172.1350004595@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:26 -0600, "Mike Miller" wrote: >It would be nice if I > could make it always be the same mount point. Any ideas? > If your camera shows up as a disk device by udev, you can do something like this in fstab: /dev/disk/by-id/usb-mydigitalcamera /mnt/camera or by device UUID from /dev/disk/by-uuid: UUID=32aaec8902-2ed-4466-a8ff-cffa8f38423cf /mnt/camera From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 09:38:09 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:38:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] mount point for camera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Erik and others. It didn't occur to me to check the camera menus, so I'll do that first off. I'll also look into the /dev and dmesg when I get home tonight. Mike On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Erik Anderson wrote: > This is odd - if configured correctly, the camera should just appear as > a standard usb mass storage device (/dev/sdb1 or something similar). I > seem to remember a few Canons I've had having two options in their usb > setup. If one option was selected, it showed up as a mass storage device > and the second, it showed up as, well, something else (I can't recall > atm). Poke around in the camera's menu system to see if you cand find > anything like this. > > What does dmesg say when you connect the device? That should tell you > what type of usb device it's presenting itself as. Also, depending on > how the device identifies itself when connected, you may be able to > create a persistent udev rule so that it always assigns the same device > node. > > -Erik > > On 12/13/09, Mike Miller wrote: >> My camera is made by Canon. It seems like most devices are easier to work >> with than this. Both on Windows and Ubuntu the camera is somewhat hidden >> when I attach it to the USB port. I did find the mount point here: >> >> ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,004/ >> >> With the JPEG files in this subdirectory: >> >> ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,004/DCIM/100CANON >> >> The annoying thing is that every time I attach the camera it increments >> the number at the end of the directory name, like so: >> >> ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,004/ >> ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,005/ >> ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,006/ >> ~/.gvfs/gphoto2 mount on usb%3A001,007/ >> >> To me this looks like a pointless annoyance that almost certainly is >> caused by some kind of software in the camera. It would be nice if I >> could make it always be the same mount point. Any ideas? >> >> Otherwise, I guess this will always work to copy the files into the >> default directory: >> >> cp -p ~/.gvfs/gphoto2*/DCIM/100CANON/*.{JPG,AVI} . >> >> I could write a little script or alias for that. I haven't bothered to >> look into the f-spot program that Ubuntu wants to automatically handle the >> photos. Anyone using that and liking it? >> >> Best, >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -- > Erik Anderson > http://andersonfam.org > Please note that I am using a new email address. My old email address @taxa.epi.umn.edu, will stop working because that old computer is being retired. From mkebob1134 at netscape.net Mon Dec 14 09:39:00 2009 From: mkebob1134 at netscape.net (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:39:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LVM correction help In-Reply-To: <004001ca7c5b$5d251560$176f4020$@org> References: <004001ca7c5b$5d251560$176f4020$@org> Message-ID: <4B265C14.9010307@netscape.net> Jeff Jensen wrote: > Hi, > > I really messed up LVM on my backup server. I'm really out of my depth with > this, and seriously need help. I've been trying to figure it out the past > few hours. I know what I did, but not sure if I did what I intended nor how > to correct it. > > Currently the system won't boot (Fedora 11). I can boot the install CD and > use Rescue System option to get a shell. Files et al are there. > > The system was low on space, so I added a new drive. It already had 3 > drives, so I intended to move extents from 2 drives to the new drive so I > can remove the 2 drives. I believe I successfully moved them using the > Partition Manager tool. Too easy in fact! > I think you might have made the big mistake here. Did you plan on adding the new drive as part of the LV, or just have it as a stand alone drive? Simply copying the data for the two drive to the new third, yanking out the former two, and rebooting is a bad deal. To take a disk out of service it must first have all of its active physicalextents moved to one or more of the remaining disks in the volume group. There must be enough free physical extents in the remaining PVs to hold the extents to be copied from the old disk. Here is a small exerp from the LVM-HOW to 13.5. Removing an Old Disk Say you have an old IDE drive on /dev/hdb. You want to remove that old disk but a lot of files are on it. Caution Backup Your System You should always backup your system before attempting a pvmove operation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13.5.1. Distributing Old Extents to Existing Disks in Volume Group If you have enough free extents on the other disks in the volume group, you have it easy. Simply run # pvmove /dev/hdb pvmove -- moving physical extents in active volume group "dev" pvmove -- WARNING: moving of active logical volumes may cause data loss! pvmove -- do you want to continue? [y/n] y pvmove -- 249 extents of physical volume "/dev/hdb" successfully moved This will move the allocated physical extents from /dev/hdb onto the rest of the disks in the volume group. Note pvmove is Slow Be aware that pvmove is quite slow as it has to copy the contents of a disk block by block to one or more disks. If you want more steady status reports from pvmove, use the -v flag. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13.5.1.1. Remove the unused disk We can now remove the old IDE disk from the volume group. # vgreduce dev /dev/hdb vgreduce -- doing automatic backup of volume group "dev" vgreduce -- volume group "dev" successfully reduced by physical volume: vgreduce -- /dev/hdb The drive can now be either physically removed when the machine is next powered down or reallocated to other users. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13.5.2. Distributing Old Extents to a New Replacement Disk If you do not have enough free physical extents to distribute the old physical extents to, you will have to add a disk to the volume group and move the extents to it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13.5.2.1. Prepare the disk First, you need to pvcreate the new disk to make it available to LVM. In this recipe we show that you don't need to partition a disk to be able to use it. # pvcreate /dev/sdf pvcreate -- physical volume "/dev/sdf" successfully created ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13.5.2.2. Add it to the volume group As developers use a lot of disk space this is a good volume group to add it into. # vgextend dev /dev/sdf vgextend -- INFO: maximum logical volume size is 255.99 Gigabyte vgextend -- doing automatic backup of volume group "dev" vgextend -- volume group "dev" successfully extended ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13.5.2.3. Move the data Next we move the data from the old disk onto the new one. Note that it is not necessary to unmount the file system before doing this. Although it is * highly* recommended that you do a full backup before attempting this operation in case of a power outage or some other problem that may interrupt it. The pvmove command can take a considerable amount of time to complete and it also exacts a performance hit on the two volumes so, although it isn't necessary, it is advisable to do this when the volumes are not too busy. # pvmove /dev/hdb /dev/sdf pvmove -- moving physical extents in active volume group "dev" pvmove -- WARNING: moving of active logical volumes may cause data loss! pvmove -- do you want to continue? [y/n] y pvmove -- 249 extents of physical volume "/dev/hdb" successfully moved ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13.5.2.4. Remove the unused disk We can now remove the old IDE disk from the volume group. # vgreduce dev /dev/hdb vgreduce -- doing automatic backup of volume group "dev" vgreduce -- volume group "dev" successfully reduced by physical volume: vgreduce -- /dev/hdb The drive can now be either physically removed when the machine is next powered down or reallocated to some other users. > I then removed the 2 drives from the LV and rebooted. It fails of course - > I see the POST, then some initial messages, and then it hangs with a blank > screen. > > I've reviewed lvm CLI commands, looked at statuses, and even tried restoring > from the automatically created LVM archive files (vgcfgrestore). I'm not > sure that that works from the shell, as when I reboot again (not using the > rescue), the lvm cfg is the same (pvdisplay). Everything works from the shell, and IMHO it is the gui tool that lead you to trouble. > > Does anyone have suggestions on how to proceed to fix this? try this: REPLACING PHYSICAL VOLUMES vgdisplay --partial --verbose will show you the UUIDs and sizes of any PVs that are no longer present. If a PV in the VG is lost and you wish to substitute another of the same size, use pvcreate --restorefile filename --uuid uuid (plus additional arguments as appropriate) to initialize it with the same UUID as the missing PV. Repeat for all other missing PVs in the VG. Then use vgcfgrestore --file filename to restore the volume group?s metadata. Good Luck! B-o-B > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude. Those who oppose us will be sent to Detroit. From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 11:17:37 2009 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:17:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook In-Reply-To: <4B1FDBF0.3020904@soul-dev.com> References: <579c6fd30912090848q53552037l30edc574974c2fa0@mail.gmail.com> <4B1FD6B9.6010708@gmail.com> <4B1FDBF0.3020904@soul-dev.com> Message-ID: <82f04dc40912140917j7548ea0axf8eb79c06feca463@mail.gmail.com> >> > Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more > daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. > Wow, did they actually finally make some real improvements to Thunderbird? I use it, but until I saw this, I thought the product was near dead. They haven't made a significant improvement in years, IMO. I hope they finally implemented a proper address book. The old one appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape days. From dniesen at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 11:28:11 2009 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:28:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? Message-ID: <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be@mail.gmail.com> Anybody doing any SNPP over the internet paging from Linux? I can't find much as far as software, seems like there should be a simple framework out there. I did find python-snpp but don't see much in terms of documentation/examples. -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The old one > appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape > days. Anyone using Google Contacts? As long as I can get the data back out of it, I think it could be a good thing for me to use. Can Tbird use Google Contacts? I think maybe it can. By the way, I use gmail, but I also have *all* of my mail on my GNU/Linux box and use gmail's SMTP server and fetchmail. It's like I'm doing old-school sendmail but I'm not. If Google goes away, I still have my mail (but I guess they'd have a copy too). Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 11:54:22 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:54:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Thunderbird and Google Contacts In-Reply-To: References: <579c6fd30912090848q53552037l30edc574974c2fa0@mail.gmail.com> <4B1FD6B9.6010708@gmail.com> <4B1FDBF0.3020904@soul-dev.com> <82f04dc40912140917j7548ea0axf8eb79c06feca463@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I should have changed the subject of the last message. I'm repeating it here (below). Mike On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Dan Armbrust wrote: >> Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more >> daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. > > Wow, did they actually finally make some real improvements to Thunderbird? > > I use it, but until I saw this, I thought the product was near dead. They > haven't made a significant improvement in years, IMO. > > I hope they finally implemented a proper address book. The old one > appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape days. Anyone using Google Contacts? As long as I can get the data back out of it, I think it could be a good thing for me to use. Can Tbird use Google Contacts? I think maybe it can. By the way, I use gmail, but I also have *all* of my mail on my GNU/Linux box and use gmail's SMTP server and fetchmail. It's like I'm doing old-school sendmail but I'm not. If Google goes away, I still have my mail (but I guess they'd have a copy too). Mike From ian.greenleaf at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 12:04:55 2009 From: ian.greenleaf at gmail.com (Ian Young) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:04:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Thunderbird and Google Contacts In-Reply-To: References: <579c6fd30912090848q53552037l30edc574974c2fa0@mail.gmail.com> <4B1FD6B9.6010708@gmail.com> <4B1FDBF0.3020904@soul-dev.com> <82f04dc40912140917j7548ea0axf8eb79c06feca463@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B267E47.9070700@gmail.com> I use Zindus (http://www.zindus.com/) and it works quite nicely. It doesn't do contact groups yet, but it's great for everything else. And having your contacts on Google means nice easy syncing for multiple computers. Ian On 12/14/2009 11:54 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > > Anyone using Google Contacts? As long as I can get the data back out of > it, I think it could be a good thing for me to use. Can Tbird use Google > Contacts? I think maybe it can. > > By the way, I use gmail, but I also have *all* of my mail on my GNU/Linux > box and use gmail's SMTP server and fetchmail. It's like I'm doing > old-school sendmail but I'm not. If Google goes away, I still have my > mail (but I guess they'd have a copy too). > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 302 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091214/8ba7801a/attachment.pgp From andyzib at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 12:27:38 2009 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:27:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Thunderbird and Google Contacts In-Reply-To: <4B267E47.9070700@gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30912090848q53552037l30edc574974c2fa0@mail.gmail.com> <4B1FD6B9.6010708@gmail.com> <4B1FDBF0.3020904@soul-dev.com> <82f04dc40912140917j7548ea0axf8eb79c06feca463@mail.gmail.com> <4B267E47.9070700@gmail.com> Message-ID: When I last looked there were a handful of Thunderbird 2.0 add-ons for syncing your Thunderbird Contacts with Google Contacts. At one point I tried them all and found Zindus to work the best/most reliably/just work instead of failing with undecipherable error messages. I haven't tried Thunderbird 3 yet, so nothing to report on that front. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091214/dcd19b28/attachment.htm From chrome at real-time.com Mon Dec 14 12:50:44 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:50:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be@mail.gmail.com>; from dniesen@gmail.com on Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:28:11AM -0600 References: <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091214125044.P30615@real-time.com> On 12/14 11:28 , Donovan wrote: > Anybody doing any SNPP over the internet paging from Linux? I can't find > much as far as software, seems like there should be a simple framework out > there. I did find python-snpp but don't see much in terms of > documentation/examples. My knowlege of SNPP is pretty corroded; but if you're sending a page across the Internet, here's how Nagios does it: # 'host-notify-by-epager' command definition define command{ command_name host-notify-by-epager command_line /usr/bin/printf "%b" "Host '$HOSTALIAS$' is $HOSTSTATE$\nInfo: $HOSTOUTPUT$\nTime: $LONGDATETIME$" | /usr/bin/mail -s "$NOTIFICATIONTYPE$ alert - Host $HOSTNAME$ is $HOSTSTATE$" $CONTACTEMAIL$ } Basically, take your message, pipe it to mail, and use that to send it to the e-mail address which will then send the page. if you want to dial a modem and send a page; look at qpage or sendpage. http://www.qpage.org/ http://www.sendpage.org/ Each has advantages and disadvantages; and I've used both depending on what needed to be done at each site. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From nesius at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 13:29:25 2009 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:29:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? In-Reply-To: <20091214125044.P30615@real-time.com> References: <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be@mail.gmail.com> <20091214125044.P30615@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom < chrome at real-time.com> wrote: > On 12/14 11:28 , Donovan wrote: > > Basically, take your message, pipe it to mail, and use that to send it to > the e-mail address which will then send the page. > > This prompted me to do a little digging. For attwireless folks the first 160 characters of emails sent to the following address will be sent as an SMS text... <10-digit-number>@txt.att.net. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091214/5b4fe0f5/attachment.htm From dniesen at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 13:43:27 2009 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:43:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? In-Reply-To: References: <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be@mail.gmail.com> <20091214125044.P30615@real-time.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70912141143j3f62f619kf40a20a1a0ffe482@mail.gmail.com> This is generally SMTP -> SMS which has some fun problems of its own. SNPP is a TCP/IP protocol where you can talk to a carrier's SNPP server and deliver the message that way versus sending it over a paging modem. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom < > chrome at real-time.com> wrote: > >> On 12/14 11:28 , Donovan wrote: >> >> Basically, take your message, pipe it to mail, and use that to send it to >> the e-mail address which will then send the page. >> >> > This prompted me to do a little digging. For attwireless folks the first > 160 characters of emails sent to the following address will be sent as an > SMS text... > > <10-digit-number>@txt.att.net. > > -Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091214/504cea8b/attachment.htm From ecrist at secure-computing.net Mon Dec 14 13:45:38 2009 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:45:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? In-Reply-To: References: <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be@mail.gmail.com> <20091214125044.P30615@real-time.com> Message-ID: <94A347D5-5696-48D5-A9BA-F6F6ACB8E07F@secure-computing.net> On Dec 14, 2009, at 13:29:25, Robert Nesius wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 12/14 11:28 , Donovan wrote: > > Basically, take your message, pipe it to mail, and use that to send it to > the e-mail address which will then send the page. > > > This prompted me to do a little digging. For attwireless folks the first 160 characters of emails sent to the following address will be sent as an SMS text... > > <10-digit-number>@txt.att.net. Most providers have an email to SMS gateway. There are lists all over. T-Mobile does @tmomail.net and I know both verizon and sprint have similar gateways. --- Eric Crist From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Mon Dec 14 13:54:17 2009 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:54:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? In-Reply-To: <94A347D5-5696-48D5-A9BA-F6F6ACB8E07F@secure-computing.net> References: <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be@mail.gmail.com> <20091214125044.P30615@real-time.com> <94A347D5-5696-48D5-A9BA-F6F6ACB8E07F@secure-computing.net> Message-ID: <4B2697E9.2080408@cwis.biz> MMS: vzpix.com SMS: vztext.com Eric F Crist wrote: > On Dec 14, 2009, at 13:29:25, Robert Nesius wrote: > > >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> On 12/14 11:28 , Donovan wrote: >> >> Basically, take your message, pipe it to mail, and use that to send it to >> the e-mail address which will then send the page. >> >> >> This prompted me to do a little digging. For attwireless folks the first 160 characters of emails sent to the following address will be sent as an SMS text... >> >> <10-digit-number>@txt.att.net. >> > > Most providers have an email to SMS gateway. There are lists all over. T-Mobile does @tmomail.net and I know both verizon and sprint have similar gateways. > From nesius at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 14:39:31 2009 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:39:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? In-Reply-To: <4B2697E9.2080408@cwis.biz> References: <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be@mail.gmail.com> <20091214125044.P30615@real-time.com> <94A347D5-5696-48D5-A9BA-F6F6ACB8E07F@secure-computing.net> <4B2697E9.2080408@cwis.biz> Message-ID: Just in the spirit of sharing hopefully useful info... apparently <10digitnumber>@mms.att.net will result in an SMTP -> MMS translation. II'm not sure what MMS is - some quick googling indicated it's a Microsoft protocol? I also found this: You can also go to http://mymessages.wireless.att.com, register and request a name alias so you can have youralias at txt.att.net show up instead of yournumber at txt.att.net. Just in case you didn't want your phone number being given out so readily. -Rob On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > MMS: vzpix.com > SMS: vztext.com > > > Eric F Crist wrote: > >> On Dec 14, 2009, at 13:29:25, Robert Nesius wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom < >>> chrome at real-time.com> wrote: >>> On 12/14 11:28 , Donovan wrote: >>> >>> Basically, take your message, pipe it to mail, and use that to send it to >>> the e-mail address which will then send the page. >>> >>> >>> This prompted me to do a little digging. For attwireless folks the first >>> 160 characters of emails sent to the following address will be sent as an >>> SMS text... >>> <10-digit-number>@txt.att.net. >>> >>> >> >> Most providers have an email to SMS gateway. There are lists all over. >> T-Mobile does @tmomail.net and I know both verizon and sprint >> have similar gateways. >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091214/845ad691/attachment-0001.htm From nesius at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 14:45:29 2009 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:45:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Thx! Message-ID: Just a thank you to the list for the conversation regarding SSL certs a few months ago. I needed to set some certs up and remembered the thread. Searching the archives allowed me to pull up the handy link to the freebsd docs that was shared. Thanks for that! Those docs referenced Thawte as a signer. I checked Thawte out and was a bit disappointed at the interaction I had with their customer service while discussing pricing, and I wasn't thrilled with their website. So I did a few searches and came across digicert.com. Digicert's pricing was more transparent and competitive, and they seemed to offer responsive support with better availability, so I chose them. I ran into a small problem with a missing chain certificate, and when I called digicert I had a tech on the line within seconds and he root caused the problem immediately and provided the fix. So... in case anyone needs to choose a cert-signer for SSL/TLS certs in the future, or you're not very happy with the signer you're using or their licensing terms, you might consider digicert. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091214/3676d22a/attachment.htm From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Dec 14 15:18:40 2009 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Johnson, Troy.A (MDH)) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:18:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A79CDD441C0204EA1D73D3FC5C065D501ADF66A25@MNMAIL04.ead.state.mn.us> Donovan, We use qpage (http://www.qpage.org/) here and the nagios command looks like this: define command { command_name notify-by-snpp command_line /usr/bin/qpage -s snpp-server-name $CONTACTPAGER$ "$NOTIFICATIONTYPE$ $SERVICEDESC$ $HOSTNAME$ $SERVICESTATE$ $HOSTADDRESS$ $HOSTALIAS$ $LONGDATETIME$ $SERVICEOUTPUT$" } (with no line breaks). Good luck! Troy -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 17 Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Zimbra vs Outlook (Dan Armbrust) 2. Linux SNPP paging? (Donovan) 3. Re: Zimbra vs Outlook (Mike Miller) 4. Thunderbird and Google Contacts (Mike Miller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:17:37 -0600 From: Dan Armbrust Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook To: "Mr. MailingLists" Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Message-ID: <82f04dc40912140917j7548ea0axf8eb79c06feca463 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more > daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. > Wow, did they actually finally make some real improvements to Thunderbird? I use it, but until I saw this, I thought the product was near dead. They haven't made a significant improvement in years, IMO. I hope they finally implemented a proper address book. The old one appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape days. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:28:11 -0600 From: Donovan Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? To: TCLUG List Message-ID: <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anybody doing any SNPP over the internet paging from Linux? I can't find much as far as software, seems like there should be a simple framework out there. I did find python-snpp but don't see much in terms of documentation/examples. -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091214/3ec76725/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:52:25 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Miller Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook To: TCLUG List Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Dan Armbrust wrote: >> Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more >> daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. > > Wow, did they actually finally make some real improvements to > Thunderbird? > > I use it, but until I saw this, I thought the product was near dead. > They haven't made a significant improvement in years, IMO. > > I hope they finally implemented a proper address book. The old one > appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape > days. Anyone using Google Contacts? As long as I can get the data back out of it, I think it could be a good thing for me to use. Can Tbird use Google Contacts? I think maybe it can. By the way, I use gmail, but I also have *all* of my mail on my GNU/Linux box and use gmail's SMTP server and fetchmail. It's like I'm doing old-school sendmail but I'm not. If Google goes away, I still have my mail (but I guess they'd have a copy too). Mike ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:54:22 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Miller Subject: [tclug-list] Thunderbird and Google Contacts To: TCLUG List Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I should have changed the subject of the last message. I'm repeating it here (below). Mike On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Dan Armbrust wrote: >> Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more >> daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. > > Wow, did they actually finally make some real improvements to Thunderbird? > > I use it, but until I saw this, I thought the product was near dead. They > haven't made a significant improvement in years, IMO. > > I hope they finally implemented a proper address book. The old one > appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape days. Anyone using Google Contacts? As long as I can get the data back out of it, I think it could be a good thing for me to use. Can Tbird use Google Contacts? I think maybe it can. By the way, I use gmail, but I also have *all* of my mail on my GNU/Linux box and use gmail's SMTP server and fetchmail. It's like I'm doing old-school sendmail but I'm not. If Google goes away, I still have my mail (but I guess they'd have a copy too). Mike ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 17 ****************************************** From dniesen at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 15:21:23 2009 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:21:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <3A79CDD441C0204EA1D73D3FC5C065D501ADF66A25@MNMAIL04.ead.state.mn.us> References: <3A79CDD441C0204EA1D73D3FC5C065D501ADF66A25@MNMAIL04.ead.state.mn.us> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70912141321x79d43181l858e65cfdccad589@mail.gmail.com> That's what I'm looking for. Thanks! On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Johnson, Troy.A (MDH) < Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us> wrote: > Donovan, > > We use qpage (http://www.qpage.org/) here and the nagios command looks > like this: > > define command { > command_name notify-by-snpp > command_line /usr/bin/qpage -s snpp-server-name $CONTACTPAGER$ > "$NOTIFICATIONTYPE$ $SERVICEDESC$ $HOSTNAME$ $SERVICESTATE$ $HOSTADDRESS$ > $HOSTALIAS$ $LONGDATETIME$ $SERVICEOUTPUT$" > } > > (with no line breaks). > > Good luck! > > Troy > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:00 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 17 > > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Zimbra vs Outlook (Dan Armbrust) > 2. Linux SNPP paging? (Donovan) > 3. Re: Zimbra vs Outlook (Mike Miller) > 4. Thunderbird and Google Contacts (Mike Miller) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:17:37 -0600 > From: Dan Armbrust > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook > To: "Mr. MailingLists" > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: > <82f04dc40912140917j7548ea0axf8eb79c06feca463 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >> > > Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more > > daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. > > > > Wow, did they actually finally make some real improvements to Thunderbird? > > I use it, but until I saw this, I thought the product was near dead. > They haven't made a significant improvement in years, IMO. > > I hope they finally implemented a proper address book. The old one > appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape > days. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:28:11 -0600 > From: Donovan > Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? > To: TCLUG List > Message-ID: > <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Anybody doing any SNPP over the internet paging from Linux? I can't find > much as far as software, seems like there should be a simple framework out > there. I did find python-snpp but don't see much in terms of > documentation/examples. > > > -- > Donovan Niesen > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091214/3ec76725/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:52:25 -0600 (CST) > From: Mike Miller > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook > To: TCLUG List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Dan Armbrust wrote: > > >> Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more > >> daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. > > > > Wow, did they actually finally make some real improvements to > > Thunderbird? > > > > I use it, but until I saw this, I thought the product was near dead. > > They haven't made a significant improvement in years, IMO. > > > > I hope they finally implemented a proper address book. The old one > > appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape > > days. > > > Anyone using Google Contacts? As long as I can get the data back out of > it, I think it could be a good thing for me to use. Can Tbird use Google > Contacts? I think maybe it can. > > By the way, I use gmail, but I also have *all* of my mail on my GNU/Linux > box and use gmail's SMTP server and fetchmail. It's like I'm doing > old-school sendmail but I'm not. If Google goes away, I still have my > mail (but I guess they'd have a copy too). > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:54:22 -0600 (CST) > From: Mike Miller > > Subject: [tclug-list] Thunderbird and Google Contacts > To: TCLUG List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > I should have changed the subject of the last message. I'm repeating it > here (below). > > Mike > > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Dan Armbrust wrote: > > >> Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more > >> daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. > > > > Wow, did they actually finally make some real improvements to > Thunderbird? > > > > I use it, but until I saw this, I thought the product was near dead. They > > haven't made a significant improvement in years, IMO. > > > > I hope they finally implemented a proper address book. The old one > > appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape > days. > > > Anyone using Google Contacts? As long as I can get the data back out of > it, I think it could be a good thing for me to use. Can Tbird use Google > Contacts? I think maybe it can. > > By the way, I use gmail, but I also have *all* of my mail on my GNU/Linux > box and use gmail's SMTP server and fetchmail. It's like I'm doing > old-school sendmail but I'm not. If Google goes away, I still have my > mail (but I guess they'd have a copy too). > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 17 > ****************************************** > -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091214/98d69119/attachment.htm From gm5729 at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 15:29:28 2009 From: gm5729 at gmail.com (gm5729) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:29:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <3A79CDD441C0204EA1D73D3FC5C065D501ADF66A25@MNMAIL04.ead.state.mn.us> References: <3A79CDD441C0204EA1D73D3FC5C065D501ADF66A25@MNMAIL04.ead.state.mn.us> Message-ID: <66026d800912141329v433d1488m6863221be0a7c20d@mail.gmail.com> With Google Voice you don't need any of those lists for SMS carrieres. You can send an SMS faster than a tweet or identi.ca. Vi^3PP On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Johnson, Troy.A (MDH) wrote: > Donovan, > > We use qpage (http://www.qpage.org/) here and the nagios command looks like this: > > define command { > ? ? ? ?command_name ? ?notify-by-snpp > ? ? ? ?command_line ? ?/usr/bin/qpage -s snpp-server-name $CONTACTPAGER$ "$NOTIFICATIONTYPE$ $SERVICEDESC$ $HOSTNAME$ $SERVICESTATE$ $HOSTADDRESS$ $HOSTALIAS$ $LONGDATETIME$ $SERVICEOUTPUT$" > } > > (with no line breaks). > > Good luck! > > Troy > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:00 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 17 > > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > ? ? ? ?tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ? ? ? ?http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ? ? ? ?tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ? ? ? ?tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: Zimbra vs Outlook (Dan Armbrust) > ? 2. Linux SNPP paging? (Donovan) > ? 3. Re: Zimbra vs Outlook (Mike Miller) > ? 4. Thunderbird and Google Contacts (Mike Miller) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:17:37 -0600 > From: Dan Armbrust > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook > To: "Mr. MailingLists" > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ?<82f04dc40912140917j7548ea0axf8eb79c06feca463 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> >> Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more >> daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. >> > > Wow, did they actually finally make some real improvements to Thunderbird? > > I use it, but until I saw this, I thought the product was near dead. > They haven't made a significant improvement in years, IMO. > > I hope they finally implemented a proper address book. ?The old one > appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape > days. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:28:11 -0600 > From: Donovan > Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? > To: TCLUG List > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ?<47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Anybody doing any SNPP over the internet paging from Linux? ?I can't find > much as far as software, seems like there should be a simple framework out > there. ?I did find python-snpp but don't see much in terms of > documentation/examples. > > > -- > Donovan Niesen > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091214/3ec76725/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:52:25 -0600 (CST) > From: Mike Miller > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Zimbra vs Outlook > To: TCLUG List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Dan Armbrust wrote: > >>> Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more >>> daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. >> >> Wow, did they actually finally make some real improvements to >> Thunderbird? >> >> I use it, but until I saw this, I thought the product was near dead. >> They haven't made a significant improvement in years, IMO. >> >> I hope they finally implemented a proper address book. ?The old one >> appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape >> days. > > > Anyone using Google Contacts? ?As long as I can get the data back out of > it, I think it could be a good thing for me to use. ?Can Tbird use Google > Contacts? ?I think maybe it can. > > By the way, I use gmail, but I also have *all* of my mail on my GNU/Linux > box and use gmail's SMTP server and fetchmail. ?It's like I'm doing > old-school sendmail but I'm not. ?If Google goes away, I still have my > mail (but I guess they'd have a copy too). > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:54:22 -0600 (CST) > From: Mike Miller > Subject: [tclug-list] Thunderbird and Google Contacts > To: TCLUG List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > I should have changed the subject of the last message. ?I'm repeating it > here (below). > > Mike > > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Dan Armbrust wrote: > >>> Agreed, don't know what I would do without my Thunderbird. You are more >>> daring than I though, Im sticking to 3.0. >> >> Wow, did they actually finally make some real improvements to Thunderbird? >> >> I use it, but until I saw this, I thought the product was near dead. They >> haven't made a significant improvement in years, IMO. >> >> I hope they finally implemented a proper address book. ?The old one >> appeared to be carried over, half broken, directly from the Netscape days. > > > Anyone using Google Contacts? ?As long as I can get the data back out of > it, I think it could be a good thing for me to use. ?Can Tbird use Google > Contacts? ?I think maybe it can. > > By the way, I use gmail, but I also have *all* of my mail on my GNU/Linux > box and use gmail's SMTP server and fetchmail. ?It's like I'm doing > old-school sendmail but I'm not. ?If Google goes away, I still have my > mail (but I guess they'd have a copy too). > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 17 > ****************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- -- GNUPG validated with key 0xD537A8E1. Questionable validations please verify by phone for authenticity. RTF, TXT, LaTeX, PDF and DJVU files inline or by attachment are gladly accepted. Confidentiality guaranteed only by strong encrypted formats. Windows GNUPG Version: ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/gnupg-w32cli-1.4.10b.exe Bcrypt encryption, all platforms: http://bcrypt.sourceforge.net/ From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Mon Dec 14 15:29:08 2009 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:29:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? In-Reply-To: References: <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be@mail.gmail.com> <20091214125044.P30615@real-time.com> <94A347D5-5696-48D5-A9BA-F6F6ACB8E07F@secure-computing.net> <4B2697E9.2080408@cwis.biz> Message-ID: <4B26AE24.7080704@cwis.biz> MMS - Multimedia Message Service - Picture, Video and Voice messaging from phone to phone. SMS - Simple Message Service - Text Messaging. Robert Nesius wrote: > Just in the spirit of sharing hopefully useful info... apparently > <10digitnumber>@mms.att.net will result in an > SMTP -> MMS translation. II'm not sure what MMS is - some quick > googling indicated it's a Microsoft protocol? I also found this: > > You can also go to http://mymessages.wireless.att.com, register and > request a name alias so you can have youralias at txt.att.net > show up instead of > yournumber at txt.att.net . Just in case > you didn't want your phone number being given out so readily. > > -Rob > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Ryan Coleman > wrote: > > MMS: vzpix.com > SMS: vztext.com > > > Eric F Crist wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2009, at 13:29:25, Robert Nesius wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > > wrote: > On 12/14 11:28 , Donovan wrote: > > Basically, take your message, pipe it to mail, and use > that to send it to > the e-mail address which will then send the page. > > > This prompted me to do a little digging. For attwireless > folks the first 160 characters of emails sent to the > following address will be sent as an SMS text... > <10-digit-number>@txt.att.net . > > > > Most providers have an email to SMS gateway. There are lists > all over. T-Mobile does @tmomail.net > and I know both verizon and sprint have > similar gateways. > > > > From Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us Mon Dec 14 15:40:45 2009 From: Troy.A.Johnson at state.mn.us (Johnson, Troy.A (MDH)) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:40:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A79CDD441C0204EA1D73D3FC5C065D501ADF66A86@MNMAIL04.ead.state.mn.us> OK, I meant to delete the non-topical things in my email, but I got busy and forgot to do that before sending. I apologize. From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 15:55:21 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:55:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux SNPP paging? In-Reply-To: <94A347D5-5696-48D5-A9BA-F6F6ACB8E07F@secure-computing.net> References: <47f4d5e70912140928t4930256cq5ad72965f0a1c8be@mail.gmail.com> <20091214125044.P30615@real-time.com> <94A347D5-5696-48D5-A9BA-F6F6ACB8E07F@secure-computing.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Eric F Crist wrote: > On Dec 14, 2009, at 13:29:25, Robert Nesius wrote: > >> This prompted me to do a little digging. For attwireless folks the >> first 160 characters of emails sent to the following address will be >> sent as an SMS text... >> >> <10-digit-number>@txt.att.net. > > Most providers have an email to SMS gateway. There are lists all over. > T-Mobile does @tmomail.net and I know both verizon and sprint > have similar gateways. My carrier is Sprint, and this is how it works: <10-digit-number>@messaging.sprintpcs.com Two things to note: I receive only 126 or 127 characters when I send from my gmail address. The subject is counted among those characters, and that includes "Subject: ", so you can send more if you have no subject at all. I wonder if the "From:" field or the "To:" field are being counted and that is why I only get 126 characters. I seem to be coming up about 30 characters short of what they promised. Mike From jjensen at apache.org Mon Dec 14 21:56:04 2009 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:56:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LVM correction help In-Reply-To: <4B265C14.9010307@netscape.net> References: <004001ca7c5b$5d251560$176f4020$@org> <4B265C14.9010307@netscape.net> Message-ID: <004801ca7d3a$8a615450$9f23fcf0$@org> Thanks B-o-b - replies are inline. > From: Mr. B-o-B [mailto:mkebob1134 at netscape.net] > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:39 AM > > Jeff Jensen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I really messed up LVM on my backup server. I'm really out of my depth > with > > this, and seriously need help. I've been trying to figure it out the > past > > few hours. I know what I did, but not sure if I did what I intended > nor how > > to correct it. > > > > Currently the system won't boot (Fedora 11). I can boot the install CD > and > > use Rescue System option to get a shell. Files et al are there. > > > > The system was low on space, so I added a new drive. It already had 3 > > drives, so I intended to move extents from 2 drives to the new drive so > I > > can remove the 2 drives. I believe I successfully moved them using the > > Partition Manager tool. Too easy in fact! > > > > I think you might have made the big mistake here. Did you plan on > adding the new drive as part of the LV, or just have it as a stand alone > drive? Simply copying the data for the two drive to the new third, > yanking out the former two, and rebooting is a bad deal. > > To take a disk out of service it must first have all of its active > physicalextents moved to one or more of the remaining disks in the > volume group. There must be enough free physical extents in the > remaining PVs to hold the extents to be copied from the old disk. Yep, I added the drive to the LV before I moved the extents. I moved all PEs from each of the two drives to the new drive. The old drives are 40G each and the new drive is 1T. Summary of the steps I did: - First, I used fdisk to add a partition of type LV to the new drive. - Then, I used the GUI to add it to the LV. There may have been an "initialize it" step (button click) in there too; can't remember at this point. - After that, I used the GUI to move each drives' extents to the new drive. When it was done, the GUI showed 2 sections of extents on the new drive (and a whole lotta unallocated space!), and no extents on the original 2. - So then I removed the 2 old drives from the LV. This left the new drive and the boot drive in the LV. - Finally, I edited the properties of the LV to claim the rest of the space on the new drive. It all seemed to go well; I am surprised at the current state. I really thought I did each step carefully. :-( If I boot to the rescue mode, I see all the files. Stuff is intact... These are the /dev/sd* items: - sda1 is /boot. fdisk still shows it as the only one marked bootable. - sda2, sdb1, sdc1, sdd1 are/were in LV. - sdd1 is the new drive. - sdb1 and sdc1 are the two drives I moved PEs to sdd1, and removed them from the LV. > Here is a small exerp from the LVM-HOW to Thanks - I did read this too! [snip] > > I then removed the 2 drives from the LV and rebooted. It fails of > course - > > I see the POST, then some initial messages, and then it hangs with a > blank > > screen. > > > > I've reviewed lvm CLI commands, looked at statuses, and even tried > restoring > > from the automatically created LVM archive files (vgcfgrestore). I'm > not > > sure that that works from the shell, as when I reboot again (not using > the > > rescue), the lvm cfg is the same (pvdisplay). > > Everything works from the shell, and IMHO it is the gui tool that lead > you to trouble. > > > > > Does anyone have suggestions on how to proceed to fix this? > > try this: > > REPLACING PHYSICAL VOLUMES > vgdisplay --partial --verbose will show you the UUIDs and sizes of > any PVs > that are no longer present. If a PV in the VG is lost and you wish to > substitute another of the same size, use > pvcreate --restorefile filename --uuid uuid (plus additional arguments as > appropriate) to initialize it with the same UUID as the missing PV. > Repeat for all other missing PVs in the VG. Then use > vgcfgrestore --file filename to restore the volume group's metadata. The output of "vgdisplay --partial --verbose" looked good - all are present read/write. I can cd around many dirs, cat files, etc. and it all looks good. I'm no sysadmin, but not quite the noob either! ;-) I really don't know how to proceed other than reimage it. But that seems a big waste of time as all the files are there... (and I have BackupPC and other stuff setup I really don't have time or interest in redoing!!) From jjensen at apache.org Tue Dec 15 21:33:32 2009 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:33:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LVM correction help In-Reply-To: <004801ca7d3a$8a615450$9f23fcf0$@org> References: <004001ca7c5b$5d251560$176f4020$@org> <4B265C14.9010307@netscape.net> <004801ca7d3a$8a615450$9f23fcf0$@org> Message-ID: <004101ca7e00$8e7a9b20$ab6fd160$@org> Any recommendations for where to get this looked at/fixed? Any gurus here interested (email me if you are to discuss compensation and arrangements)? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Jensen > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:56 PM > To: 'tclug-list' > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] LVM correction help > > Thanks B-o-b - replies are inline. > > > > From: Mr. B-o-B [mailto:mkebob1134 at netscape.net] > > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:39 AM > > > > Jeff Jensen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I really messed up LVM on my backup server. I'm really out of my > depth > > with > > > this, and seriously need help. I've been trying to figure it out the > > past > > > few hours. I know what I did, but not sure if I did what I intended > > nor how > > > to correct it. > > > > > > Currently the system won't boot (Fedora 11). I can boot the install > CD > > and > > > use Rescue System option to get a shell. Files et al are there. > > > > > > The system was low on space, so I added a new drive. It already had > 3 > > > drives, so I intended to move extents from 2 drives to the new drive > so > > I > > > can remove the 2 drives. I believe I successfully moved them using > the > > > Partition Manager tool. Too easy in fact! > > > > > > > I think you might have made the big mistake here. Did you plan on > > adding the new drive as part of the LV, or just have it as a stand > alone > > drive? Simply copying the data for the two drive to the new third, > > yanking out the former two, and rebooting is a bad deal. > > > > To take a disk out of service it must first have all of its active > > physicalextents moved to one or more of the remaining disks in the > > volume group. There must be enough free physical extents in the > > remaining PVs to hold the extents to be copied from the old disk. > > Yep, I added the drive to the LV before I moved the extents. I moved all > PEs from each of the two drives to the new drive. The old drives are 40G > each and the new drive is 1T. > > Summary of the steps I did: > - First, I used fdisk to add a partition of type LV to the new drive. > > - Then, I used the GUI to add it to the LV. There may have been an > "initialize it" step (button click) in there too; can't remember at this > point. > > - After that, I used the GUI to move each drives' extents to the new > drive. > When it was done, the GUI showed 2 sections of extents on the new drive > (and > a whole lotta unallocated space!), and no extents on the original 2. > > - So then I removed the 2 old drives from the LV. This left the new > drive > and the boot drive in the LV. > > - Finally, I edited the properties of the LV to claim the rest of the > space > on the new drive. > > > It all seemed to go well; I am surprised at the current state. I really > thought I did each step carefully. :-( > If I boot to the rescue mode, I see all the files. Stuff is intact... > > > These are the /dev/sd* items: > - sda1 is /boot. fdisk still shows it as the only one marked bootable. > > - sda2, sdb1, sdc1, sdd1 are/were in LV. > > - sdd1 is the new drive. > > - sdb1 and sdc1 are the two drives I moved PEs to sdd1, and removed them > from the LV. > > > > Here is a small exerp from the LVM-HOW to > > Thanks - I did read this too! > > [snip] > > > > > I then removed the 2 drives from the LV and rebooted. It fails of > > course - > > > I see the POST, then some initial messages, and then it hangs with a > > blank > > > screen. > > > > > > I've reviewed lvm CLI commands, looked at statuses, and even tried > > restoring > > > from the automatically created LVM archive files (vgcfgrestore). I'm > > not > > > sure that that works from the shell, as when I reboot again (not > using > > the > > > rescue), the lvm cfg is the same (pvdisplay). > > > > Everything works from the shell, and IMHO it is the gui tool that lead > > you to trouble. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have suggestions on how to proceed to fix this? > > > > try this: > > > > REPLACING PHYSICAL VOLUMES > > vgdisplay --partial --verbose will show you the UUIDs and sizes of > > any PVs > > that are no longer present. If a PV in the VG is lost and you wish to > > substitute another of the same size, use > > pvcreate --restorefile filename --uuid uuid (plus additional arguments > as > > appropriate) to initialize it with the same UUID as the missing PV. > > Repeat for all other missing PVs in the VG. Then use > > vgcfgrestore --file filename to restore the volume group's metadata. > > The output of "vgdisplay --partial --verbose" looked good - all are > present > read/write. > > I can cd around many dirs, cat files, etc. and it all looks good. > > > I'm no sysadmin, but not quite the noob either! ;-) I really don't know > how > to proceed other than reimage it. But that seems a big waste of time as > all > the files are there... (and I have BackupPC and other stuff setup I > really > don't have time or interest in redoing!!) > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 12:55:01 2009 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:55:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 21 recommend Message-ID: <25f02f40912161055p6416e9dfp85a3a68a19de8c21@mail.gmail.com> I would recommend beginning the linux command line by apress books. It is not really such a beginners book there is forty two pages on partitioning and lvm. All done by example in bash. Its command line admin and ends with shell scripting. its just handy to have around. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TIA. -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises http://www.webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091219/c6227425/attachment.htm From gm5729 at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 02:50:50 2009 From: gm5729 at gmail.com (gm5729) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:50:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cat-like command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66026d800912200050p14d115d5jad1592694aeb780b@mail.gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you are talking about Vi/m you can use dd temporarily to basically yank and paste. There is also a way to actually "name" the buffer" in Vi/m so you can call it up by number/symbol. VampirePenguin On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 21:41, Brian Wood wrote: > > Is there a command something like cat that will copy a > file into the copy/paste buffer, so I can paste the contents > somewhere after running the command? > > Also I'd like to find someone willing to give me an account > on a big-endian machine. I'm willing to give that person > investments in Ebenezer Enterprises in exchange. > > TIA. > > -- > Brian Wood > Ebenezer Enterprises > http://www.webEbenezer.net > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > - -- - -- GNUPG validated with key 0xD537A8E1. Questionable validations please verify by phone for authenticity. RTF, TXT, LaTeX, PDF and DJVU files inline or by attachment are gladly accepted. Confidentiality guaranteed only by strong encrypted formats. Windows GNUPG Version: ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/gnupg-w32cli-1.4.10b.exe Bcrypt encryption, all platforms: http://bcrypt.sourceforge.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.10) iEYEARECAAYFAkst5XcACgkQgRrMFNU3qOHjVACeM9xG0jq1Oi4uWaFDxXBztLKL j8QAoIWGXYdppITu0HNddZRffSYtDqeN =mza0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nesius at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 09:54:14 2009 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:54:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cat-like command In-Reply-To: <66026d800912200050p14d115d5jad1592694aeb780b@mail.gmail.com> References: <66026d800912200050p14d115d5jad1592694aeb780b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 21:41, Brian Wood wrote: > > > > > > > Also I'd like to find someone willing to give me an account > > on a big-endian machine. I'm willing to give that person > > investments in Ebenezer Enterprises in exchange. > > > > TIA. > > > There are a lot of old, cheap power macs out there. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091220/e39f2fc7/attachment.htm From robert at hutman.net Sun Dec 20 10:10:06 2009 From: robert at hutman.net (Robert Radtke) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:10:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cat-like command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:41:53 -0600, Brian Wood wrote: Is there a command something like cat that will copy a file into the copy/paste buffer, so I can paste the contents somewhere after running the command? xclip looks like it would do the trick. http://elcasey.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/xclip-use-the-clipboard-from-the-command-line/ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Radtke Hutman Inc robert at hutman.net 1710 N. Douglas Dr. #285 612.843.1400 Minneapolis, MN 55422 #!/hutman~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091220/7f7627a4/attachment.htm From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Dec 21 02:46:40 2009 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:46:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200912210846.nBL8keh29757@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: PowerPC Mac Mini Have Mac Mini for sale. It is a 1.25Ghz, 512mb Ram, 60GB disk. It has ubuntu (I think it is 7.10), and Mac OS (the latest version that works on PowerPC Mac). And is in great shape. I want $150.00. This includes the Mac Mini, the power supply and a power cable. You can contact me at, goeko (at) goecke-dolan (dot) com Or you can call 612-759-0967. Thanks. ==>brian. _Here_are_the_detailed_Specs_ ubuntu at McBuntu:~$ lspci 0000:00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth 2 AGP 0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01) 0001:10:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth 2 PCI 0001:10:17.0 Class ff00: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo/Intrepid Mac I/O 0001:10:18.0 USB Controller: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo/Intrepid USB 0001:10:19.0 USB Controller: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo/Intrepid USB 0001:10:1a.0 USB Controller: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo/Intrepid USB 0001:10:1b.0 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB (rev 43) 0001:10:1b.1 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB (rev 43) 0001:10:1b.2 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 (rev 04) 0002:20:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth 2 Internal PCI 0002:20:0d.0 Class ff00: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth/Intrepid ATA/100 0002:20:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth 2 FireWire (rev 81) 0002:20:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth 2 GMAC (Sun GEM) (rev 80) ubuntu at McBuntu:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 cpu : 7447A, altivec supported clock : 1333.333328MHz revision : 0.2 (pvr 8003 0102) bogomips : 82.94 timebase : 41600661 platform : PowerMac machine : PowerMac10,2 motherboard : PowerMac10,2 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh detected as : 287 (Unknown Intrepid-based) pmac flags : 00000000 L2 cache : 512K unified pmac-generation : NewWorld ubuntu at McBuntu:~$ cat /proc/meminfo MemTotal: 514632 kB MemFree: 368172 kB Buffers: 7432 kB Cached: 76312 kB SwapCached: 0 kB Active: 66388 kB Inactive: 53448 kB HighTotal: 0 kB HighFree: 0 kB LowTotal: 514632 kB LowFree: 368172 kB SwapTotal: 2228216 kB SwapFree: 2228216 kB Dirty: 0 kB Writeback: 0 kB AnonPages: 36120 kB Mapped: 24960 kB Slab: 10216 kB SReclaimable: 4344 kB SUnreclaim: 5872 kB PageTables: 1088 kB NFS_Unstable: 0 kB Bounce: 0 kB CommitLimit: 2485532 kB Committed_AS: 76024 kB VmallocTotal: 449704 kB VmallocUsed: 26084 kB VmallocChunk: 422564 kB ubuntu at McBuntu:~$ cat /proc/partitions major minor #blocks name 1 0 65536 ram0 1 1 65536 ram1 1 2 65536 ram2 1 3 65536 ram3 1 4 65536 ram4 1 5 65536 ram5 1 6 65536 ram6 1 7 65536 ram7 1 8 65536 ram8 1 9 65536 ram9 1 10 65536 ram10 1 11 65536 ram11 1 12 65536 ram12 1 13 65536 ram13 1 14 65536 ram14 1 15 65536 ram15 3 0 58605120 hda 3 1 31 hda1 3 2 16384 hda2 3 3 30844804 hda3 3 4 2228224 hda4 3 5 131072 hda5 3 6 25384596 hda6 3 7 8 hda7 Thanks. Seller Email address: goeko at Goecke-Dolan dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Dec 21 02:53:37 2009 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:53:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200912210853.nBL8rbt31874@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: HP Mini Battery for sale I have a battery for a HP Mini 2133. The HP Mini Died, but the battery is fine. Battery Series HSTNN-IB64 10.8V 55W Date 2008/08/05 I want $25 for the battery. You can contact me by email: goeko (at) Goecke-Dolan (dot) com or my Cell phone: 612-759-0967 I also have the other parts from the HP mini if you would be interested Thanks. ==>brian. Seller Email address: goeko at Goecke-Dolan dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From rclarksean at arvig.net Tue Dec 22 09:12:26 2009 From: rclarksean at arvig.net (Randy Clarksean) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:12:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com><254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> Ok .. just purchased a used Dell PowerEdge 6850 on Ebay. 4 CPUs at 3.16 GHz. I purchased it to make a computational box out of it ... wanting the 8 cores and lots of memory. Now ... I put VMWare ESxi 4.0 on it and was installing a 64 bit version of Scientific Linux. During the install ... it tells me that I can not install a 64 bit version ... and that I should install a 32 bit version. The CPU details are listed below ... I THOUGHT these were 64 bit CPUs ... did I mess up? 3.16GHZ INTEL XEON-MP 667MHZ SOCKET 604 1MB SL84U Thoughts and comments welcome. Thanks in advance. Randy From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Tue Dec 22 09:03:56 2009 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:03:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] "ACPI Exception" Message-ID: <4B30DFDC.9020205@cwis.biz> I'm sick and tired of those errors showing up in my FreeBSD installation. I once paid a smarter tech to kill it but I would really like to solve the problem. Dec 22 09:01:52 fileserver kernel: ACPI Exception (dsutils-0894): AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, While creating Arg 0 [20070320] Dec 22 09:01:52 fileserver kernel: ACPI Error (psparse-0626): Method parse/execution failed [\_TZ_.THRM._TMP] (Node 0xffffff00013e2ac0), AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE Dec 22 09:02:02 fileserver kernel: ACPI Error (dswstate-0185): Result stack is empty! State=0xffffff0001cfb400 [20070320] Dec 22 09:02:02 fileserver kernel: ACPI Exception (dsutils-0766): AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, Missing or null operand [20070320] Dec 22 09:02:02 fileserver kernel: ACPI Exception (dsutils-0894): AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, While creating Arg 0 [20070320] Dec 22 09:02:02 fileserver kernel: ACPI Error (psparse-0626): Method parse/execution failed [\_TZ_.THRM._TMP] (Node 0xffffff00013e2ac0), AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE Dec 22 09:02:13 fileserver kernel: ACPI Error (dswstate-0185): Result stack is empty! State=0xffffff0001e01000 [20070320] Dec 22 09:02:13 fileserver kernel: ACPI Exception (dsutils-0766): AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, Missing or null operand [20070320] Dec 22 09:02:13 fileserver kernel: ACPI Exception (dsutils-0894): AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, While creating Arg 0 [20070320] Dec 22 09:02:13 fileserver kernel: ACPI Error (psparse-0626): Method parse/execution failed [\_TZ_.THRM._TMP] (Node 0xffffff00013e2ac0), AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE Did I mention I'm sick and tired of it? Any help would be appreciated. -- Ryan From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Tue Dec 22 09:19:56 2009 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:19:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com><254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> Message-ID: <4B30E39C.50906@cwis.biz> Just a thought.... but is the OS 64bit that you installed or 32? Randy Clarksean wrote: > Ok .. just purchased a used Dell PowerEdge 6850 on Ebay. 4 CPUs at 3.16 > GHz. I purchased it to make a computational box out of it ... wanting the 8 > cores and lots of memory. > > Now ... I put VMWare ESxi 4.0 on it and was installing a 64 bit version of > Scientific Linux. During the install ... it tells me that I can not install > a 64 bit version ... and that I should install a 32 bit version. > > The CPU details are listed below ... I THOUGHT these were 64 bit CPUs ... > did I mess up? > > 3.16GHZ INTEL XEON-MP 667MHZ SOCKET 604 1MB SL84U > > Thoughts and comments welcome. Thanks in advance. > > Randy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andyschmid at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 09:23:27 2009 From: andyschmid at gmail.com (Andy Schmid) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:23:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com> <254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> Message-ID: <7b7c42a30912220723q55bd9c9dj22000f4114445c17@mail.gmail.com> I believe it is 64 bit... this should be your product documentation: http://www.intel.com/Assets/en_US/PDF/datasheet/306751.pdf see as well: http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/products/server/processor/xeon7000/technical-documents#11 On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Ok .. just purchased a used Dell PowerEdge 6850 on Ebay. 4 CPUs at 3.16 > GHz. I purchased it to make a computational box out of it ... wanting the > 8 > cores and lots of memory. > > Now ... I put VMWare ESxi 4.0 on it and was installing a 64 bit version of > Scientific Linux. During the install ... it tells me that I can not > install > a 64 bit version ... and that I should install a 32 bit version. > > The CPU details are listed below ... I THOUGHT these were 64 bit CPUs ... > did I mess up? > > 3.16GHZ INTEL XEON-MP 667MHZ SOCKET 604 1MB SL84U > > Thoughts and comments welcome. Thanks in advance. > > Randy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091222/2c786463/attachment.htm From josh at joshwelch.com Tue Dec 22 09:25:52 2009 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:25:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com> <254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> Message-ID: In order to install a 64 bit version of an operating system in ESXi (probably ESX too but I know this for a fact with ESXi) the processors need to have virtualization capabilities built in, Intel refers to it as VT and AMD uses AMD-V IIRC. The x850 stuff from Dell pre-dates virtualization capabilities being embedded in processors, or at least they didn't ship any of it in the x850 series. If you wanted to run virtual 64 bit linux instances on there you should be able to do so with XenServer or one of the other Linux based virtualization solutions. If you're looking to use it as a compute resource I'm not sure that virtualization is the right track for you to b following but there you go. Josh On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Ok .. just purchased a used Dell PowerEdge 6850 on Ebay. ?4 CPUs at 3.16 > GHz. ?I purchased it to make a computational box out of it ... wanting the 8 > cores and lots of memory. > > Now ... I put VMWare ESxi 4.0 on it and was installing a 64 bit version of > Scientific Linux. ?During the install ... it tells me that I can not install > a 64 bit version ... and that I should install a 32 bit version. > > The CPU details are listed below ... I THOUGHT these were 64 bit CPUs ... > did I mess up? > > 3.16GHZ INTEL XEON-MP 667MHZ SOCKET 604 1MB SL84U > > Thoughts and comments welcome. ?Thanks in advance. > > Randy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rbrown at rawmindz.com Tue Dec 22 09:21:06 2009 From: rbrown at rawmindz.com (Robert Brown) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:21:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com> <254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> Message-ID: <916e208f0912220721y1aaa905fl7ea1f6af1b4b70f9@mail.gmail.com> It's likely a setting in the BIOS. http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1003945 On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Ok .. just purchased a used Dell PowerEdge 6850 on Ebay. ?4 CPUs at 3.16 > GHz. ?I purchased it to make a computational box out of it ... wanting the 8 > cores and lots of memory. > > Now ... I put VMWare ESxi 4.0 on it and was installing a 64 bit version of > Scientific Linux. ?During the install ... it tells me that I can not install > a 64 bit version ... and that I should install a 32 bit version. > > The CPU details are listed below ... I THOUGHT these were 64 bit CPUs ... > did I mess up? > > 3.16GHZ INTEL XEON-MP 667MHZ SOCKET 604 1MB SL84U > > Thoughts and comments welcome. ?Thanks in advance. > > Randy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 13:52:44 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:52:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com><254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Dec 2009, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Ok .. just purchased a used Dell PowerEdge 6850 on Ebay. 4 CPUs at 3.16 > GHz. I purchased it to make a computational box out of it ... wanting > the 8 cores and lots of memory. How much electricity does that thing use? Mike From mkebob1134 at netscape.net Tue Dec 22 13:59:35 2009 From: mkebob1134 at netscape.net (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:59:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] "ACPI Exception" In-Reply-To: <4B30DFDC.9020205@cwis.biz> References: <4B30DFDC.9020205@cwis.biz> Message-ID: <4B312527.40701@netscape.net> On 12/22/2009 9:03 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I'm sick and tired of those errors showing up in my FreeBSD > installation. I once paid a smarter tech to kill it but I would really > like to solve the problem. > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/acpi-debug.html > > Dec 22 09:01:52 fileserver kernel: ACPI Exception (dsutils-0894): > AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, While creating Arg 0 [20070320] > Dec 22 09:01:52 fileserver kernel: ACPI Error (psparse-0626): Method > parse/execution failed [\_TZ_.THRM._TMP] (Node 0xffffff00013e2ac0), > AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE > Dec 22 09:02:02 fileserver kernel: ACPI Error (dswstate-0185): Result > stack is empty! State=0xffffff0001cfb400 [20070320] > Dec 22 09:02:02 fileserver kernel: ACPI Exception (dsutils-0766): > AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, Missing or null operand [20070320] > Dec 22 09:02:02 fileserver kernel: ACPI Exception (dsutils-0894): > AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, While creating Arg 0 [20070320] > Dec 22 09:02:02 fileserver kernel: ACPI Error (psparse-0626): Method > parse/execution failed [\_TZ_.THRM._TMP] (Node 0xffffff00013e2ac0), > AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE > Dec 22 09:02:13 fileserver kernel: ACPI Error (dswstate-0185): Result > stack is empty! State=0xffffff0001e01000 [20070320] > Dec 22 09:02:13 fileserver kernel: ACPI Exception (dsutils-0766): > AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, Missing or null operand [20070320] > Dec 22 09:02:13 fileserver kernel: ACPI Exception (dsutils-0894): > AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, While creating Arg 0 [20070320] > Dec 22 09:02:13 fileserver kernel: ACPI Error (psparse-0626): Method > parse/execution failed [\_TZ_.THRM._TMP] (Node 0xffffff00013e2ac0), > AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE > > > > Did I mention I'm sick and tired of it? Any help would be appreciated. > > -- > Ryan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our tradition in the spirit of our ancestors. You have our gratitude. Those who oppose us will be sent to Detroit. From mailinglists at soul-dev.com Tue Dec 22 14:04:13 2009 From: mailinglists at soul-dev.com (Mr. MailingLists) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:04:13 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com><254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> Message-ID: <4B31263D.6030304@soul-dev.com> On 12/22/2009 1:52 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 22 Dec 2009, Randy Clarksean wrote: > >> Ok .. just purchased a used Dell PowerEdge 6850 on Ebay. 4 CPUs at 3.16 >> GHz. I purchased it to make a computational box out of it ... wanting >> the 8 cores and lots of memory. > > > How much electricity does that thing use? > > Mike > I'm curious to see around how much did it cost you? I love picking up slightly outdated beefy machines, build myself a dual Nocona awhile back but have been looking to add to my collection ;-) I'm curious to see how much 'lectricity is used too, under high load of course. -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From rclarksean at arvig.net Wed Dec 23 11:41:57 2009 From: rclarksean at arvig.net (Randy Clarksean) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:41:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com> <254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> Message-ID: Thanks for the information - I will look at Xenserver ... I am assuming it is a bare metal approach? Your point is well taken about what I am doing and whether the approach is good or not. I need the box for two operating systems for computational work. I need to run a Windows flavor and I need to run Linux. There will be a performance hit, but based on what I have read, the hit is less for "bare metal" virtual approaches ... than it is for the situation where it runs within another platform. -----Original Message----- From: Josh Welch [mailto:josh at joshwelch.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:26 AM To: Randy Clarksean; tclug-list Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In order to install a 64 bit version of an operating system in ESXi (probably ESX too but I know this for a fact with ESXi) the processors need to have virtualization capabilities built in, Intel refers to it as VT and AMD uses AMD-V IIRC. The x850 stuff from Dell pre-dates virtualization capabilities being embedded in processors, or at least they didn't ship any of it in the x850 series. If you wanted to run virtual 64 bit linux instances on there you should be able to do so with XenServer or one of the other Linux based virtualization solutions. If you're looking to use it as a compute resource I'm not sure that virtualization is the right track for you to b following but there you go. Josh On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Ok .. just purchased a used Dell PowerEdge 6850 on Ebay. ?4 CPUs at 3.16 > GHz. ?I purchased it to make a computational box out of it ... wanting the 8 > cores and lots of memory. > > Now ... I put VMWare ESxi 4.0 on it and was installing a 64 bit version of > Scientific Linux. ?During the install ... it tells me that I can not install > a 64 bit version ... and that I should install a 32 bit version. > > The CPU details are listed below ... I THOUGHT these were 64 bit CPUs ... > did I mess up? > > 3.16GHZ INTEL XEON-MP 667MHZ SOCKET 604 1MB SL84U > > Thoughts and comments welcome. ?Thanks in advance. > > Randy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rclarksean at arvig.net Wed Dec 23 11:41:36 2009 From: rclarksean at arvig.net (Randy Clarksean) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:41:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: <4B31263D.6030304@soul-dev.com> References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com><254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> <4B31263D.6030304@soul-dev.com> Message-ID: <19A8D033B1A64A0CADE5F6213CCA8B3A@dualasus> The box was on the order of $550 with limited memory (4 GB) and hard drive (73 GB) space. Memory can easily be upgraded (readily available and reasonably cheap), SCSI hard drive space is more pricey of course. Electricity is a TBD ... this is a 220V system though so I think that kept the price lower. One has to be electrically inclined or readily available 220 outlets. Power supplies are 1470W ... redundant of course. Full up operation will draw a bit of power for sure. But, if one looks at 1.5 KW per hour ... that is roughly $0.15 per hour to operate ... roughly $3.60 a day ... on the order of $100 a month. If I run it for the month full out ... pricey for what I do ... but it doesn't need to be online all the time for what I am doing. Plus ... most of the time it will idle ... I am guessing $30-$50 a month if I let it idle. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mr. MailingLists Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:04 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit On 12/22/2009 1:52 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 22 Dec 2009, Randy Clarksean wrote: > >> Ok .. just purchased a used Dell PowerEdge 6850 on Ebay. 4 CPUs at 3.16 >> GHz. I purchased it to make a computational box out of it ... wanting >> the 8 cores and lots of memory. > > > How much electricity does that thing use? > > Mike > I'm curious to see around how much did it cost you? I love picking up slightly outdated beefy machines, build myself a dual Nocona awhile back but have been looking to add to my collection ;-) I'm curious to see how much 'lectricity is used too, under high load of course. -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Dec 23 12:01:08 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:01:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: <19A8D033B1A64A0CADE5F6213CCA8B3A@dualasus> References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com><254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> <4B31263D.6030304@soul-dev.com> <19A8D033B1A64A0CADE5F6213CCA8B3A@dualasus> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Power supplies are 1470W ... redundant of course. Full up operation > will draw a bit of power for sure. But, if one looks at 1.5 KW per hour > ... that is roughly $0.15 per hour to operate ... roughly $3.60 a day > ... on the order of $100 a month. If I run it for the month full out > ... pricey for what I do ... but it doesn't need to be online all the > time for what I am doing. Plus ... most of the time it will idle ... I > am guessing $30-$50 a month if I let it idle. Yep. Those are roughly the kind of numbers I was thinking you'd see. I didn't used to think about electrical costs for computers, but then a friend bought one that used so much energy that he was stunned when he saw his electric bills. I've found that some of the cheaper used hardware can consume so much more electricity that it is just not a good deal (e.g., after considering total costs for two years of operation) when compared with newer hardware that costs more up front but is more energy efficient. Of course, if you aren't paying for your own electricity, but you are paying for the machines, that changes things. Mike From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Wed Dec 23 13:43:55 2009 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:43:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com> <254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> Message-ID: <429c5ec20912231143s56f543cm2fe051e6fd08e7a9@mail.gmail.com> you may also want to consider KVM, blessed and chosen by rhel, available in centos5.4, presumably compute intensive stuff run inside a VM under KVM is essentially on the bare metal. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Thanks for the information - I will look at Xenserver ... I am assuming it > is a bare metal approach? > > Your point is well taken about what I am doing and whether the approach is > good or not. I need the box for two operating systems for computational > work. I need to run a Windows flavor and I need to run Linux. There will > be a performance hit, but based on what I have read, the hit is less for > "bare metal" virtual approaches ... than it is for the situation where it > runs within another platform. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Welch [mailto:josh at joshwelch.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:26 AM > To: Randy Clarksean; tclug-list > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit > > In order to install a 64 bit version of an operating system in ESXi > (probably ESX too but I know this for a fact with ESXi) the processors > need to have virtualization capabilities built in, Intel refers to it > as VT and AMD uses AMD-V IIRC. The x850 stuff from Dell pre-dates > virtualization capabilities being embedded in processors, or at least > they didn't ship any of it in the x850 series. > > If you wanted to run virtual 64 bit linux instances on there you > should be able to do so with XenServer or one of the other Linux based > virtualization solutions. If you're looking to use it as a compute > resource I'm not sure that virtualization is the right track for you > to b following but there you go. > > Josh > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Randy Clarksean > wrote: > > Ok .. just purchased a used Dell PowerEdge 6850 on Ebay. 4 CPUs at 3.16 > > GHz. I purchased it to make a computational box out of it ... wanting > the > 8 > > cores and lots of memory. > > > > Now ... I put VMWare ESxi 4.0 on it and was installing a 64 bit version > of > > Scientific Linux. During the install ... it tells me that I can not > install > > a 64 bit version ... and that I should install a 32 bit version. > > > > The CPU details are listed below ... I THOUGHT these were 64 bit CPUs ... > > did I mess up? > > > > 3.16GHZ INTEL XEON-MP 667MHZ SOCKET 604 1MB SL84U > > > > Thoughts and comments welcome. Thanks in advance. > > > > Randy > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091223/ccb6b8ad/attachment.htm From pcutler at gnome.org Wed Dec 23 16:29:48 2009 From: pcutler at gnome.org (Paul Cutler) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:29:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit In-Reply-To: <429c5ec20912231143s56f543cm2fe051e6fd08e7a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B0D5C02.7020402@bitstream.net> <1259168594.6838.1347026819@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1259168694.7066.1347029463@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20091125124620.C27162@real-time.com> <254fef0f0911251159m7f94674dr8dc9ddfc45ab5f94@mail.gmail.com> <4B0DB9E6.2070902@netscape.net> <3FA4993B273B4654B3BF56064A9D1BB9@dualasus> <429c5ec20912231143s56f543cm2fe051e6fd08e7a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39428b2a0912231429n7688fb00u3dd399d235341378@mail.gmail.com> KVM won't work as that processor doesn't have Intel VT. Paul On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM, greg wm wrote: > you may also want to consider KVM, blessed and chosen by rhel, available in > centos5.4, presumably compute intensive stuff run inside a VM under KVM is > essentially on the bare metal. > > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Randy Clarksean wrote: > >> Thanks for the information - I will look at Xenserver ... I am assuming it >> is a bare metal approach? >> >> Your point is well taken about what I am doing and whether the approach is >> good or not. I need the box for two operating systems for computational >> work. I need to run a Windows flavor and I need to run Linux. There will >> be a performance hit, but based on what I have read, the hit is less for >> "bare metal" virtual approaches ... than it is for the situation where it >> runs within another platform. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Josh Welch [mailto:josh at joshwelch.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:26 AM >> To: Randy Clarksean; tclug-list >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hardware Question - 64 bit >> >> In order to install a 64 bit version of an operating system in ESXi >> (probably ESX too but I know this for a fact with ESXi) the processors >> need to have virtualization capabilities built in, Intel refers to it >> as VT and AMD uses AMD-V IIRC. The x850 stuff from Dell pre-dates >> virtualization capabilities being embedded in processors, or at least >> they didn't ship any of it in the x850 series. >> >> If you wanted to run virtual 64 bit linux instances on there you >> should be able to do so with XenServer or one of the other Linux based >> virtualization solutions. If you're looking to use it as a compute >> resource I'm not sure that virtualization is the right track for you >> to b following but there you go. >> >> Josh >> >> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Randy Clarksean >> wrote: >> > Ok .. just purchased a used Dell PowerEdge 6850 on Ebay. 4 CPUs at 3.16 >> > GHz. I purchased it to make a computational box out of it ... wanting >> the >> 8 >> > cores and lots of memory. >> > >> > Now ... I put VMWare ESxi 4.0 on it and was installing a 64 bit version >> of >> > Scientific Linux. During the install ... it tells me that I can not >> install >> > a 64 bit version ... and that I should install a 32 bit version. >> > >> > The CPU details are listed below ... I THOUGHT these were 64 bit CPUs >> ... >> > did I mess up? >> > >> > 3.16GHZ INTEL XEON-MP 667MHZ SOCKET 604 1MB SL84U >> > >> > Thoughts and comments welcome. Thanks in advance. >> > >> > Randy >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20091223/ed339756/attachment.htm From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Dec 23 21:47:20 2009 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:47:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Command Line text processing tool Message-ID: <20091224034720.GA27496@fireopal.org> I've got a file. The file has one line of interest. Alpha characters represent fixed strings, numbers represent variable strings. ab1cfd2egb3chd4eib5cjd6ek I'm pretty sure I can write myself a regular expression that will correspond to the numbered strings. What I need is a tool that will pass the matched string along to standard out. Suggestions? To put it in slightly less obscure terms - the line represents a string of html code. The numbers represent hypertext links and their matching text. I want to watch for a specific text string, and pass the corresponding link to wget. I think I've got all the pieces figured out _except_ passing the link to wget. -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From strayf at freeshell.org Wed Dec 23 22:31:10 2009 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Command Line text processing tool In-Reply-To: <20091224034720.GA27496@fireopal.org> References: <20091224034720.GA27496@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <4B32EE8E.9000907@freeshell.org> A very short perl script? You could have perl print the links to stdout or have it call wget for you. As a one liner... perl -ne \ 'm/^ ab (1) cfd (2) egb (3) chd (4) eib (5) cjd (6) ek $/x \ and print "$1\n$2\n$3\n$4\n$5\n$6\n"' \ < data Scott Raun wrote: > I've got a file. The file has one line of interest. Alpha characters > represent fixed strings, numbers represent variable strings. > > ab1cfd2egb3chd4eib5cjd6ek > > I'm pretty sure I can write myself a regular expression that will > correspond to the numbered strings. What I need is a tool that will > pass the matched string along to standard out. > > Suggestions? > > To put it in slightly less obscure terms - the line represents a > string of html code. The numbers represent hypertext links and their > matching text. I want to watch for a specific text string, and pass > the corresponding link to wget. I think I've got all the pieces > figured out _except_ passing the link to wget. > From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 02:28:44 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:28:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Command Line text processing tool In-Reply-To: <20091224034720.GA27496@fireopal.org> References: <20091224034720.GA27496@fireopal.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Dec 2009, Scott Raun wrote: > I've got a file. The file has one line of interest. Alpha characters > represent fixed strings, numbers represent variable strings. > > ab1cfd2egb3chd4eib5cjd6ek > > I'm pretty sure I can write myself a regular expression that will > correspond to the numbered strings. What I need is a tool that will > pass the matched string along to standard out. > > Suggestions? > > To put it in slightly less obscure terms - the line represents a string > of html code. The numbers represent hypertext links and their matching > text. I want to watch for a specific text string, and pass the > corresponding link to wget. I think I've got all the pieces figured out > _except_ passing the link to wget. It's only one line per file? Usually for this kind of thing I'd write a bash script and pass the perl and grep to find the stings to pass to wget. It's probably better to just use perl, but I'm not expert enough on perl to do the wget call from perl. Do you have pcregrep? It's fantastic and you need it. Use of "grep -E" (formerly known as "egrep") is just not as good as pcregrep where you can use perl regexes and multiline pattern matching. For this kind of problem I would usually have perl search for the href and make that the beginning of the line so that there are never two hrefs per line. Then I'd use grep or pcregrep to retain only the lines I want (those with the right anchor text), then perl again to strip out the everything except for the URLs. Then I'd set up something like this: IFS=" " for URL in $( perl 'foo' filename | pcregrep 'baz' | perl 'bar' ) do wget "$URL" done Hope that helps. Mike From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Sat Dec 26 17:17:01 2009 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:17:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] grub into flashdrive? Message-ID: <429c5ec20912261517t708c43b9lf91f92ced38e29d@mail.gmail.com> i have here a usb flash drive with Xubuntu 8.04.1 Hardy installed on it, i'm not sure either via unetbootin or wubi. i want to boot into it, from this here thinkpad that has no usb bios support. can anyone share with me a suitable incantation that can be included in the grub.conf on my hd to boot this little beast?. either syslinux.cfg or isolinux/isolinux.cfg (both pasted below) probably contain suitable clues, but i might need a bit more magic..? tia, gregwm *isolinux/isolinux.cfg*: DEFAULT /casper/vmlinuz GFXBOOT bootlogo APPEND file=/cdrom/preseed/xubuntu.seed boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.gz quiet splash -- LABEL live menu label ^Try Xubuntu without any change to your computer kernel /casper/vmlinuz append file=/cdrom/preseed/xubuntu.seed boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.gz quiet splash -- LABEL live-install menu label ^Install Xubuntu kernel /casper/vmlinuz append file=/cdrom/preseed/xubuntu.seed boot=casper only-ubiquity initrd=/casper/initrd.gz quiet splash -- LABEL check menu label ^Check CD for defects kernel /casper/vmlinuz append boot=casper integrity-check initrd=/casper/initrd.gz quiet splash -- LABEL memtest menu label Test ^memory kernel /install/mt86plus append - LABEL hd menu label ^Boot from first hard disk localboot 0x80 append - DISPLAY isolinux.txt TIMEOUT 300 PROMPT 1 F1 f1.txt F2 f2.txt F3 f3.txt F4 f4.txt F5 f5.txt F6 f6.txt F7 f7.txt F8 f8.txt F9 f9.txt F0 f10.txt *syslinux.cfg*: default vesamenu.c32 prompt 0 menu title UNetbootin timeout 100 label unetbootindefault menu label Default kernel /ubnkern append initrd=/ubninit file=/cdrom/preseed/xubuntu.seed boot=casper quiet splash -- label ubnentry0 menu label ^Try Xubuntu without any change to your computer kernel /casper/vmlinuz append initrd=/casper/initrd.gz file=/cdrom/preseed/xubuntu.seed boot=casper quiet splash -- label ubnentry1 menu label ^Install Xubuntu kernel /casper/vmlinuz append initrd=/casper/initrd.gz file=/cdrom/preseed/xubuntu.seed boot=casper only-ubiquity quiet splash -- label ubnentry2 menu label ^Check CD for defects kernel /casper/vmlinuz append initrd=/casper/initrd.gz boot=casper integrity-check quiet splash -- label ubnentry3 menu label Test ^memory kernel /install/mt86plus append initrd=/ubninit - label ubnentry4 menu label ^Boot from first hard disk kernel /ubnkern append initrd=/ubninit - label ubnentry5 menu label oem=OEM install (for manufacturers) kernel /ubnkern append initrd=/ubninit oem=oem-config/enable=true -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From jherrick at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 08:38:45 2009 From: jherrick at gmail.com (Jim Herrick) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:38:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Sata controller In-Reply-To: <1522336161-1262182192-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103350791-@bda574.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1522336161-1262182192-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103350791-@bda574.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4B3B65F5.9000102@gmail.com> Microcenter. http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.phtml?keyword=pci+sata On 12/30/2009 9:10 AM, admin at lctn.org wrote: > I'm setting up a bacula box and need a pci sata controller that will work on Ubuntu server. I need it today and will. Be coming through the cities. Where would the best place be to pick one up at? I have tried a couple Best Buys, but all they had were controllers for external sata drives. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From justin.kremer at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 09:00:33 2009 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:00:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Sata controller In-Reply-To: <4B3B65F5.9000102@gmail.com> References: <1522336161-1262182192-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103350791-@bda574.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4B3B65F5.9000102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <27e6356a0912300700t1e979e22ub997f6920efecc38@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Jim Herrick wrote: > Microcenter. > > http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.phtml?keyword=pci+sata > > On 12/30/2009 9:10 AM, admin at lctn.org wrote: >> I'm setting up a bacula box and need a pci sata controller that will work on Ubuntu server. ?I need it today and will. Be coming through the cities. Where would the best place be to pick one up at? I have tried a couple Best Buys, but all they had were controllers for external sata drives. Depending on what part of the city you will be in, Microcenter, as Jim mentioned, or General Nanosystems could be a good place to go. Microcenter is in St Louis Park, whereas General Nano is on the U of M campus. You may find better prices at Microcenter. http://www.nanosys1.com/i-o-controllers-serial-ata-controllers.html - Justin From trieff at greencaremankato.com Wed Dec 30 10:23:41 2009 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:23:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra Admin ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: TCLUG, I set up a test server with Ubuntu 8.04 and installed Zimbra. I got past the Split DNS and have it running at the cabin. Though this is not the right spot for the server, I am on Qwest and they do not provide SMTP mail, in fact they do not provide any mail services. I am just glad to have DSL at the cabin. I hope to reconfigure the Zimbra box at the office next week. I am at the admin part of all this and am at a loss on where to go next. The information on the net seems to stop here and assumes you know mail. Has anyone one set this up before??? My plan or scope for deployment is to keep my ISP email, which is pop only. They have good spam filters. I would like to download the email from the ISP email server to the in house Zimbra server and use it as a secondary server for all the group type functions. Also, this would provide a storage of emails as our current ISP does not have imap. We would send email back to the ISP mail exchange for delivery other than the in house emails. Any thoughts on where to start??? Happy Holidays!!! Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell From josh at joshwelch.com Wed Dec 30 11:32:44 2009 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:32:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra Admin ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom, Not sure what your question is regarding Zimbra Admin, are you just unsure of what URL to access? By default you should find it on server.com:7071/zimbraAdmin/. As to getting your mail from your ISP, I'd inquire with them about relaying mail for your domain from their mail servers to your Zimbra server. That would allow you to use their spam filtering while still getting your mail on Zimbra. Otherwise I'm assuming you would have multiple POP3 accounts at your ISP and you'd have to set up a routine to download the mail from each account and store it in Zimbra. This would be kind of a hassle and one more thing you'd have to worry about maintaining. Just set up users on Zimbra that correspond to the email addresses your users have and this should work fine. For your outgoing mail your ISP could probably provide you an address to relay your mail through. You can set this under Servers -> [servername} -> MTA -> Relay MTA for external delivery Josh On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > TCLUG, > > I set up a test server with Ubuntu 8.04 and installed Zimbra. > I got past the Split DNS and have it running at the cabin. Though this is > not the right spot for the server, I am on Qwest and they do not provide > SMTP mail, in fact they do not provide any mail services. I am just glad to > have DSL at the cabin. I hope to reconfigure the Zimbra box at the office > next week. > I am at the admin part of all this and am at a loss on where to go next. The > information on the net seems to stop here and assumes you know mail. > Has anyone one set this up before??? > My plan or scope for deployment is to keep my ISP email, which is pop only. > They have good spam filters. > I would like to download the email from the ISP email server to the in house > Zimbra server and use it as a secondary server for all the group type > functions. Also, this would provide a storage of emails as our current ISP > does not have imap. > We would send email back to the ISP mail exchange for delivery other than > the in house emails. > Any thoughts on where to start??? > Happy Holidays!!! > Tom > > Thomas Rieff > GreenCare > 1717 3rd Avenue > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 344-8314 Office > (507) 344-8316 Fax > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >