From admin at lctn.org Wed Aug 5 15:16:24 2009 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:16:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] freenas question Message-ID: <21186792.161249503384262.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> I am considering using a Freenas box for storage in a 2008 server domain. Are there any caveats other have experienced, such as a limit on simultaneous connects, or disk writes? There could be 200-250 user logged on at any given time. Raymond -- Raymond?Norton LCTN Ecclesiastes?7:21-22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mark.katerberg at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 09:23:17 2009 From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (Mark Katerberg) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:23:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? Message-ID: Is the TC LUG still active? I tried signing up on the site and am now receiving mails from the list-serv. But I noticed that there weren't any meetings listed for a couple years. I would very much like to get involved with the community here as I have just started using Linux as my primary OS. Thanks, -- Mark Katerberg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090806/e76101e6/attachment.htm From bob at grunners.com Thu Aug 6 09:35:36 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:35:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F317768D398A740BC88E65F37FAFB6005678350DA@tardis.LCL.local> I can't speak for the group, but people are still here. So what distro are you using? Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux. Bob [cid:image001.gif at 01CA1679.40A3F020] GlobeRunners, Inc. IT Manager 600 Inwood Ave. N., Suite 160 | Oakdale, MN 55128 | Direct (651) 925-1500 | Cell: (612) 850-6940 | Fax: (651) 925-1560 | Email: bob at grunners.com ________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mark Katerberg Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:23 AM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? Is the TC LUG still active? I tried signing up on the site and am now receiving mails from the list-serv. But I noticed that there weren't any meetings listed for a couple years. I would very much like to get involved with the community here as I have just started using Linux as my primary OS. Thanks, -- Mark Katerberg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090806/0815446c/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 4162 bytes Desc: image001.gif Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090806/0815446c/attachment.gif From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 6 09:47:46 2009 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:47:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What the hell is Linux? On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Mark Katerberg wrote: > Is the TC LUG still active?? I tried signing up on the site and am now > receiving mails from the list-serv.? But I noticed that there weren't any > meetings listed for a couple years.? I would very much like to get involved > with the community here as I have just started using Linux as my primary OS. > > Thanks, > > -- > Mark Katerberg > > -Yaron -- From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Aug 6 09:45:54 2009 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (jus at krytosvirus.com) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:45:54 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] freenas question Message-ID: <873895175-1249570035-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196191808-@bxe1003.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Having never used freenas I can't describe any failings in particlar with it but I have used samba on other systems including commercial nas boxes and have had significant windows users usage without samba crapping out. Maybe the default samba configuration is not universally optimal but then what is? ------Original Message------ From: Raymond Norton Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org To: TCLUG List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] freenas question Sent: Aug 6, 2009 4:50 AM Aaron wrote: > Biggest issues you are going to have with a FreeNAS box in a Windows > enviroment with that many users will probably be samba crapping itself. > > I guess I had not considered that, or heard that was a problem with samba. What are the conditions or circumstances that could lead to samba failing, if it is set up properly? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From mark.katerberg at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 10:03:26 2009 From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (Mark Katerberg) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:03:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I'm currently running CrunchBang Linux 9.04.01 (Basically Ubuntu Jaunty stripped down to run OpenBox) on my main box. I'm trying to decide what to run on my netbook. I'm trying out distros like mad. Currently it is running Fedora 11, but I eventually want to run Debian 5 or maybe eventually Arch or Slackware if I have weeks to try to figure it out. What do most people here run? 2009/8/6 Yaron > What the hell is Linux? > > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Mark Katerberg wrote: > > Is the TC LUG still active? I tried signing up on the site and am now >> receiving mails from the list-serv. But I noticed that there weren't any >> meetings listed for a couple years. I would very much like to get >> involved >> with the community here as I have just started using Linux as my primary >> OS. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Mark Katerberg >> >> >> > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Mark Katerberg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090806/74c34e6b/attachment.htm From tclug at jfoo.org Thu Aug 6 10:03:09 2009 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:03:09 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7AF0AD.4000206@jfoo.org> Yaron wrote: > What the hell is Linux? It's that thing Richard Stallman invented... j From tlunde at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 10:28:23 2009 From: tlunde at gmail.com (Thomas Lunde) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:28:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3272AF17-4AB1-4FBE-A9F0-06C424FC459A@gmail.com> Ubuntu. On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Mark Katerberg wrote: > Well, I'm currently running CrunchBang Linux 9.04.01 (Basically > Ubuntu Jaunty stripped down to run OpenBox) on my main box. I'm > trying to decide what to run on my netbook. I'm trying out distros > like mad. Currently it is running Fedora 11, but I eventually want > to run Debian 5 or maybe eventually Arch or Slackware if I have > weeks to try to figure it out. > > What do most people here run? > > 2009/8/6 Yaron > What the hell is Linux? > > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Mark Katerberg wrote: > > Is the TC LUG still active? I tried signing up on the site and am now > receiving mails from the list-serv. But I noticed that there > weren't any > meetings listed for a couple years. I would very much like to get > involved > with the community here as I have just started using Linux as my > primary OS. > > Thanks, > > -- > Mark Katerberg > > > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > Mark Katerberg > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090806/2fd1f68f/attachment.htm From chrome at real-time.com Thu Aug 6 10:39:33 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:39:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: ; from mark.katerberg@gmail.com on Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 10:03:26AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> On 08/06 10:03 , Mark Katerberg wrote: > Well, I'm currently running CrunchBang Linux 9.04.01 (Basically Ubuntu > Jaunty stripped down to run OpenBox) on my main box. I'm trying to decide > what to run on my netbook. I'm trying out distros like mad. Currently it > is running Fedora 11, but I eventually want to run Debian 5 or maybe > eventually Arch or Slackware if I have weeks to try to figure it out. > > What do most people here run? Debian all the way. It has the least stupid name of the 'good' (i.e. debian-derived) distros, and a lot of solid history behind it. ;) -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Aug 6 10:46:23 2009 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:46:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7AFACF.7090100@beer.tclug.org> On 08/06/2009 10:03 AM, Mark Katerberg wrote: > What do most people here run? Ubuntu and Fedora seem to have the most mindshare, generally. Jima From bob at grunners.com Thu Aug 6 10:44:02 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:44:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F317768D398A740BC88E65F37FAFB600567835144@tardis.LCL.local> Slackware! Once you go Slack, you don't go back...... Bob De Mars GlobeRunners, Inc. IT Manager 600 Inwood Ave. N., Suite 160 |? Oakdale, MN 55128 |? Direct (651) 925-1500 |? Cell: (612) 850-6940 |? Fax: (651) 925-1560 |? Email: bob at grunners.com ________________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mark Katerberg Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:03 AM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Still Active? Well, I'm currently running CrunchBang Linux 9.04.01 (Basically Ubuntu Jaunty stripped down to run OpenBox) on my main box. I'm trying to decide what to run on my netbook. I'm trying out distros like mad. Currently it is running Fedora 11, but I eventually want to run Debian 5 or maybe eventually Arch or Slackware if I have weeks to try to figure it out. What do most people here run? 2009/8/6 Yaron What the hell is Linux? On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Mark Katerberg wrote: Is the TC LUG still active? I tried signing up on the site and am now receiving mails from the list-serv. But I noticed that there weren't any meetings listed for a couple years. I would very much like to get involved with the community here as I have just started using Linux as my primary OS. Thanks, -- Mark Katerberg -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Mark Katerberg From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Aug 6 11:50:53 2009 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:50:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <2F317768D398A740BC88E65F37FAFB600567835144@tardis.LCL.local> References: <2F317768D398A740BC88E65F37FAFB600567835144@tardis.LCL.local> Message-ID: Hey there, On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Bob De Mars wrote: > Once you go Slack, you don't go back...... Funny you shoudl say that (: I think Slackware was the /first/ distribution I actually used. I mean, before that they weren't really "distributions". I do remember getting the Yggdrassil Linux CD though. Once I switched AWAY form Slack, I never went back (: But, I switched to Red Hat, and once I switched away from THAT I never went back. Debian lasted a long time, and when I switched to Ubuntu I actually DID go back to debian. But I've recently got Ubuntu going again and I like it a lot. So my vote's for Ubuntu, especially on a netbook! -Yaron -- From j at packetgod.com Thu Aug 6 12:48:36 2009 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:48:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: <2F317768D398A740BC88E65F37FAFB600567835144@tardis.LCL.local> Message-ID: <38aa5b6a0908061048u556cb0adrded7d412ae7d79de@mail.gmail.com> Another vote for Ubuntu on the netbook, I used Ubuntu NBR (NetBook Remix) on my EEE1000HE and it worked perfectly right out of the box. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Yaron wrote: > Hey there, > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Bob De Mars wrote: > > > Once you go Slack, you don't go back...... > > > Funny you shoudl say that (: I think Slackware was the /first/ > distribution I actually used. I mean, before that they weren't really > "distributions". I do remember getting the Yggdrassil Linux CD though. > > Once I switched AWAY form Slack, I never went back (: But, I switched to > Red Hat, and once I switched away from THAT I never went back. Debian > lasted a long time, and when I switched to Ubuntu I actually DID go back > to debian. But I've recently got Ubuntu going again and I like it a lot. > > So my vote's for Ubuntu, especially on a netbook! > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090806/9db30392/attachment.htm From mark.katerberg at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 14:22:53 2009 From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (Mark Katerberg) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:22:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <38aa5b6a0908061048u556cb0adrded7d412ae7d79de@mail.gmail.com> References: <2F317768D398A740BC88E65F37FAFB600567835144@tardis.LCL.local> <38aa5b6a0908061048u556cb0adrded7d412ae7d79de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I actually have the eeePC 1000HE as well. I think I will try out all the ones listed. I have tried Ubuntu (both regulation and NBR) and was a little annoyed by the bloatedness. It might just be because I've just gotten away from Vista though... 2009/8/6 J Cruit > Another vote for Ubuntu on the netbook, I used Ubuntu NBR (NetBook Remix) > on my EEE1000HE and it worked perfectly right out of the box. > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Yaron wrote: > >> Hey there, >> >> On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Bob De Mars wrote: >> >> > Once you go Slack, you don't go back...... >> >> >> Funny you shoudl say that (: I think Slackware was the /first/ >> distribution I actually used. I mean, before that they weren't really >> "distributions". I do remember getting the Yggdrassil Linux CD though. >> >> Once I switched AWAY form Slack, I never went back (: But, I switched to >> Red Hat, and once I switched away from THAT I never went back. Debian >> lasted a long time, and when I switched to Ubuntu I actually DID go back >> to debian. But I've recently got Ubuntu going again and I like it a lot. >> >> So my vote's for Ubuntu, especially on a netbook! >> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Mark Katerberg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090806/21b44985/attachment.htm From auditodd at comcast.net Thu Aug 6 21:38:00 2009 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <262673230.9357191249612680160.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> There is a derivative of MEPIS called antiX that is made to run on old/minimal hardware. I actually just booted up the LiveCD last night on an old HP desktop with a 1GHz processor and 512MB of RAM it it was pretty responsive even in 'live cd' mode. I haven't tried installing it yet, but I believe it is worth a look if you are opposed to 'bloat'. http://antix.mepis.org/index.php/Main_Page ---------- Todd Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Katerberg" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:22:53 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Still Active? I actually have the eeePC 1000HE as well. I think I will try out all the ones listed. I have tried Ubuntu (both regulation and NBR) and was a little annoyed by the bloatedness. It might just be because I've just gotten away from Vista though... 2009/8/6 J Cruit < j at packetgod.com > Another vote for Ubuntu on the netbook, I used Ubuntu NBR (NetBook Remix) on my EEE1000HE and it worked perfectly right out of the box. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Yaron < tclug at freakzilla.com > wrote: Hey there, On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Bob De Mars wrote: > Once you go Slack, you don't go back...... Funny you shoudl say that (: I think Slackware was the /first/ distribution I actually used. I mean, before that they weren't really "distributions". I do remember getting the Yggdrassil Linux CD though. Once I switched AWAY form Slack, I never went back (: But, I switched to Red Hat, and once I switched away from THAT I never went back. Debian lasted a long time, and when I switched to Ubuntu I actually DID go back to debian. But I've recently got Ubuntu going again and I like it a lot. So my vote's for Ubuntu, especially on a netbook! -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Mark Katerberg _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mark.katerberg at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 01:23:04 2009 From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (Mark Katerberg) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:23:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <262673230.9357191249612680160.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <262673230.9357191249612680160.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Excellent. I am live booting SLAX right now, but am definitely going to give antiX a try. 2009/8/6 > There is a derivative of MEPIS called antiX that is made to run on > old/minimal hardware. > > I actually just booted up the LiveCD last night on an old HP desktop with a > 1GHz processor and 512MB of RAM it it was pretty responsive even in 'live > cd' mode. I haven't tried installing it yet, but I believe it is worth a > look if you are opposed to 'bloat'. > > http://antix.mepis.org/index.php/Main_Page > > ---------- > Todd Young > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Katerberg" > To: "TCLUG" > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:22:53 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Still Active? > > > I actually have the eeePC 1000HE as well. I think I will try out all the > ones listed. I have tried Ubuntu (both regulation and NBR) and was a little > annoyed by the bloatedness. It might just be because I've just gotten away > from Vista though... > > > 2009/8/6 J Cruit < j at packetgod.com > > > > Another vote for Ubuntu on the netbook, I used Ubuntu NBR (NetBook Remix) > on my EEE1000HE and it worked perfectly right out of the box. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Yaron < tclug at freakzilla.com > wrote: > > > Hey there, > > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Bob De Mars wrote: > > > Once you go Slack, you don't go back...... > > > Funny you shoudl say that (: I think Slackware was the /first/ > distribution I actually used. I mean, before that they weren't really > "distributions". I do remember getting the Yggdrassil Linux CD though. > > Once I switched AWAY form Slack, I never went back (: But, I switched to > Red Hat, and once I switched away from THAT I never went back. Debian > lasted a long time, and when I switched to Ubuntu I actually DID go back > to debian. But I've recently got Ubuntu going again and I like it a lot. > > So my vote's for Ubuntu, especially on a netbook! > > > > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > Mark Katerberg > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Mark Katerberg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <2F317768D398A740BC88E65F37FAFB6005678350DA@tardis.LCL.local> References: <2F317768D398A740BC88E65F37FAFB6005678350DA@tardis.LCL.local> Message-ID: <4A7C6F5A.8090802@cdf123.net> Bob De Mars wrote, On 08/06/09 09:35: > So what distro are you using? I'll follow Dan's lead and give a history of usage (if for no better reason than to document it for myself and have it backed up on 100+ other computers automatically. ;) Yea for archived mailing lists!). If I remember right, I think I went from TurboLinux --> Red Hat (7.x) --> SuSE --> Mandrake (7.2 through 9.0) --> Gentoo. While I was using Mandrake I played a bit with Slackware, Debian, FreeBSD, Trinux, Damn Small Linux, Knoppix, Elive, Ubuntu, and probably more that I can't remember. I think I've been on Gentoo for 4-5 years now, and I can't see myself leaving it. I really liked Trinux for an emergency boot distro, but I've replaced my need for it with the Gentoo install isos and a network boot setup. Chris From coal at mailvault.com Fri Aug 7 15:32:16 2009 From: coal at mailvault.com (bwood) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:32:16 00200 (CEST) Subject: [tclug-list] Sharing office in Roseville Message-ID: <20090807203216.B79AF690176@gateway.mailvault.com> I have an office off of Rice Street in Roseville. http://officehere.com/officespace.html/2353 I'm looking for someone interested in sharing the office with me. It is a little over 200 sq. ft. I've been in the office since February and am happy with the building/management. It would be nice to find a programmer or technical person to share the office with, but I'll consider others as well. Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises www.webEbenezer.net "Then Samuel took a rock and set it up between Mizpah and Shen. He named it Ebenezer [Rock of Help] and said, 'Until now the L-RD has helped us.'" From erick at allsystemsdown.com Tue Aug 11 10:41:31 2009 From: erick at allsystemsdown.com (Erick) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:41:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] CIFS share corrupted? Message-ID: <1250005291.9723.11.camel@bellacor-es> Hi all, first I want to say thank you in advance for any help provided. I've got a Linux box running Debian (5.0 I think). The box has a few Windows shares mounted locally as type CIFS using 'mount -t cifs' and runs 4 or 5 Perl scripts daily via cron. At some point yesterday 2 of the shares that one of the Perl script uses became corrupted, maybe by the Perl script itself but I am not sure at this point. An ls -l shows: d????????? ? ? ? ? ? share1 d????????? ? ? ? ? ? share2 Is anyone familiar with the cause of this and how to prevent it from happening in the future? I am seeing references to a buffer overflow exploit on CIFS shares on google, am I heading in the right direction? Thanks. Erick From poptix at poptix.net Tue Aug 11 13:26:28 2009 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matt Hallacy) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:26:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 10:39 -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > Debian all the way. > It has the least stupid name of the 'good' (i.e. debian-derived) distros, and a lot of solid history behind it. ;) Solid history, like crippling an important and widely used encryption library causing an untold number of SSH keys, SSL certificates and encrypted data streams in general to be exploited within 65536 tries. That particular error lingered for 2 years. If you want a solid server distribution, CentOS, RHEL maybe Slackware. If you want a solid desktop/laptop distribution, Fedora, or SuSE. These distributions do not allow their important packages to be managed by children living in mommies basement. From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 11 13:41:32 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:41:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net>; from poptix@poptix.net on Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:26:28PM -0500 References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20090811134132.E10404@real-time.com> On 08/11 01:26 , Matt Hallacy wrote: > On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 10:39 -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Debian all the way. > > It has the least stupid name of the 'good' (i.e. debian-derived) distros, and a lot of solid history behind it. ;) > > Solid history, like crippling an important and widely used encryption > library causing an untold number of SSH keys, SSL certificates and > encrypted data streams in general to be exploited within 65536 tries. > That particular error lingered for 2 years. > > If you want a solid server distribution, CentOS, RHEL maybe Slackware. > If you want a solid desktop/laptop distribution, Fedora, or SuSE. The downside is that the more commercial distributions have less incentive to make the administration task easier. Their packages are harder to install and configure; but so what? Someone's paying them to do things a particular way. The 'laziness' of volunteers breeds a desire to distribute and automate as much as possible; which benefits the end user by making packages more widely available (many distributed update servers, instead of a few centralized ones) and easier to install (.debs offer the option of configuration at install time, rather than being explicitly non-interactive like RPMs which can and will break things quietly in the background). You pays your money and you takes your chances. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 13:50:34 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:50:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Matt Hallacy wrote: > If you want a solid server distribution, CentOS, RHEL maybe Slackware. > If you want a solid desktop/laptop distribution, Fedora, or SuSE. Is there anything wrong with Ubuntu? Mike From justin.kremer at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 13:52:12 2009 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:52:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> Message-ID: <27e6356a0908111152ya3becacy58298b3639bad7a5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Matt Hallacy wrote: > If you want a solid server distribution, CentOS, RHEL maybe Slackware. > If you want a solid desktop/laptop distribution, Fedora, or SuSE. > > These distributions do not allow their important packages to be managed > by children living in mommies basement. Of course, I don't exactly find that to be a compelling argument in favor of CentOS, considering recent events. http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=381 Just a joke, really, but I found it amusing that you included CentOS on that list. I have used CentOS to give myself a test environment without slapping down money for RHN subscriptions, and I never really had issues, aside from personal preference. - Justin From bob at grunners.com Tue Aug 11 14:03:25 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:03:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <20090811134132.E10404@real-time.com> References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> <20090811134132.E10404@real-time.com> Message-ID: <2F317768D398A740BC88E65F37FAFB60056A24CF16@tardis.LCL.local> > The downside is that the more commercial distributions have less incentive > to make the administration task easier. Their packages are harder to install > and configure; but so what? Someone's paying them to do things a particular > way. The 'laziness' of volunteers breeds a desire to distribute and automate > as much as possible; which benefits the end user by making packages more > widely available (many distributed update servers, instead of a few > centralized ones) and easier to install (.debs offer the option of > configuration at install time, rather than being explicitly non-interactive > like RPMs which can and will break things quietly in the background). You pays your money and you takes your chances. Slackware is exempt from this, and this is a big reason I only use Slackware on my production boxes. If a package is not available, it's as easy as 1-2-3 to roll your own from source. No biggie. B-o-B GlobeRunners, Inc. IT Manager 600 Inwood Ave. N., Suite 160 | Oakdale, MN 55128 | Direct (651) 925-1500 | Cell: (612) 850-6940 | Fax: (651) 925-1560 | Email: bob at grunners.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Tue Aug 11 14:18:54 2009 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matt Hallacy) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:18:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> Message-ID: <1250018334.2363.13.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:50 -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Matt Hallacy wrote: > > > If you want a solid server distribution, CentOS, RHEL maybe Slackware. > > If you want a solid desktop/laptop distribution, Fedora, or SuSE. > > > Is there anything wrong with Ubuntu? > > Mike Despite all the hard work the Ubuntu folks have put into it, it still receives a great deal of its package repository from Debian which has proven repeatedly that they really have no standards for package quality or package maintainers. From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 14:29:37 2009 From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:29:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> <1250018334.2363.13.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> Message-ID: I use Ubuntu on my two primary machines, and oscillate between Debian and Gentoo for server stuff. (sorry about the reply, Matt) > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Matt Hallacy wrote: > >> On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:50 -0500, Mike Miller wrote: >> > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Matt Hallacy wrote: >> > >> > > If you want a solid server distribution, CentOS, RHEL maybe Slackware. >> > > If you want a solid desktop/laptop distribution, Fedora, or SuSE. >> > >> > >> > Is there anything wrong with Ubuntu? >> > >> > Mike >> >> Despite all the hard work the Ubuntu folks have put into it, it still >> receives a great deal of its package repository from Debian which has >> proven repeatedly that they really have no standards for package quality >> or package maintainers. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090811/5c5bbb61/attachment.htm From poptix at poptix.net Tue Aug 11 14:40:34 2009 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matt Hallacy) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:40:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <20090811134132.E10404@real-time.com> References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> <20090811134132.E10404@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1250019634.2363.35.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:41 -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > The downside is that the more commercial distributions have less incentive > to make the administration task easier. Their packages are harder to install > and configure; but so what? Someone's paying them to do things a particular > way. That certainly hasn't been my experience, I find it incredibly easy to install and configure packages on RPM based distributions (which is what this seems to have boiled down to, RPM vs DEB vs PKG(?)). I maintain our RPM repository and packages at work. It's trivial to create, build, rebuild for different architectures, upload and repo-ize them compared to when I've had to dig into our Debian repository to update a package when the guy who maintains that was not available. Sure, some of this comes from having more experience building RPM vs DEB but you cannot deny that the RPM build process is cleaner and more easily reproduced on another system when you need to add a patch, change a compile option, etc. A DEB is a glorified tarball (ARchive actually) that provides you with the files, and some install/uninstall/configure scripts An RPM is a glorified tarball that provides you with the same scripts, and a .spec file that allows you to rebuild an exact copy (and derivations) of the original package. Customized however you see fit without scratching your head wondering what compile flags or patches the original packager used. Also, all patches* made to the official source are kept separate, and applied during the build process. This allows much easier scrutiny of patches and updates. * This is inside a source RPM > The 'laziness' of volunteers breeds a desire to distribute and automate > as much as possible; which benefits the end user by making packages more > widely available (many distributed update servers, instead of a few > centralized ones) and easier to install (.debs offer the option of > configuration at install time, rather than being explicitly non-interactive > like RPMs which can and will break things quietly in the background). I'm confused as to what you're trying to say here, the RPM build process is *much* more easily automated and I see a great deal more Fedora/CentOS mirrors (and third party repositories) than Debian. Obviously RHEL repositories are centralized but it's a distribution you're paying for. Some of those packages are third party software you're buying a license for with RHEL, Red Hat is just the intermediary. From r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 14:47:33 2009 From: r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com (Robert Wilkinson) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:47:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? Message-ID: <1250020053.6200.83.camel@bob-desktop> Hi, Just 2 quick comments: 1) It would be more beneficial to the person seeking help if people were to base their opinion on the needs of the person asking the question rather than their own needs and biases. 2) The disagreement as to which distro a person should use could be eliminated if everyone switched to System 7 [ducking and covering] -OR- programmers/developers could create a (GNU)Linux that uses the best of all distributions, rather than continue the divisiveness. Robert From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 14:56:17 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:56:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <1250018334.2363.13.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> <1250018334.2363.13.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Matt Hallacy wrote: > On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:50 -0500, Mike Miller wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Matt Hallacy wrote: >> >>> If you want a solid server distribution, CentOS, RHEL maybe Slackware. >>> If you want a solid desktop/laptop distribution, Fedora, or SuSE. >> >> >> Is there anything wrong with Ubuntu? > > Despite all the hard work the Ubuntu folks have put into it, it still > receives a great deal of its package repository from Debian which has > proven repeatedly that they really have no standards for package quality > or package maintainers. No standards at all? That is bad. I haven't had any problems yet, that I know of. I thought one of the arguments advanced in favor of Ubuntu was that it was like Debian with better packages -- more up to date, at least. Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 14:59:32 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:59:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <1250020053.6200.83.camel@bob-desktop> References: <1250020053.6200.83.camel@bob-desktop> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Robert Wilkinson wrote: > programmers/developers could create a (GNU)Linux that uses the best of > all distributions, rather than continue the divisiveness. Given that the code is all "free," why don't all of the distros take the best of the others? For example, if Slackware makes it easy to roll your own package, why don't the others take the Slackware code for this and make their systems do it too? If this seems to them to be "stealing," I would suggest that they stop worrying about their reputations and start worrying about their users. There is a reason why we want free software, and "stealing" is at the heart of it (maybe "sharing" is a better word for this!). Mike From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 11 15:06:49 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:06:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <1250019634.2363.35.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net>; from poptix@poptix.net on Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 02:40:34PM -0500 References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> <20090811134132.E10404@real-time.com> <1250019634.2363.35.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20090811150649.H10404@real-time.com> On 08/11 02:40 , Matt Hallacy wrote: > I maintain our RPM repository and packages at work. It's trivial to > create, build, rebuild for different architectures, upload and repo-ize > them compared to when I've had to dig into our Debian repository to > update a package when the guy who maintains that was not available. I spent a lot of time building RPMs /ab initio/. Since we switched to being a Debian shop, I have hardly had to build a package at all (a fine argument in favor of Debian); but I didn't find it terribly difficult to learn to make .debs. They do follow a somewhat less discoverable method of construction, I'll admit; but I don't think it's actually any harder (and in fact may be a lot easier to do correctly, since they give you so many tools for the operation). > A DEB is a glorified tarball (ARchive actually) that provides you with > the files, and some install/uninstall/configure scripts > > An RPM is a glorified tarball that provides you with the same scripts, > and a .spec file that allows you to rebuild an exact copy (and > derivations) of the original package. They're both means to the same end. One of the fundamental differences of philosophy tho, is that RPMs are supposed to be non-interactive, whereas .debs are supposed to be interactive (unless you configure it otherwise). This means that .debs warn you when something is about to break, and give you a chance to fix up your configuration right there. This makes the admin much less likely to miss something and earn the ire of users for whom that thing 'broke'. > the RPM build process > is *much* more easily automated and I see a great deal more > Fedora/CentOS mirrors (and third party repositories) than Debian. I think this is a matter of perception; and I don't think it's terribly constructive to argue over. I just remember Debian having a 'build farm' long before other distros, so they could provide automated quality control of package builds. Yes, bugs do slip in. This happens with all distros and even with a statistical analysis of bug frequency we could argue for quite a while over which distro is better. Take your pick of distros; and I'll take mine. I'll freely admit I have my biases. (For instance, I don't like names that sound like gastrointestinal movements). I'll tell you why I think my choice is best; but I won't compel you to change. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 11 15:15:24 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:15:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <2F317768D398A740BC88E65F37FAFB60056A24CF16@tardis.LCL.local>; from bob@grunners.com on Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 02:03:25PM -0500 References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> <20090811134132.E10404@real-time.com> <2F317768D398A740BC88E65F37FAFB60056A24CF16@tardis.LCL.local> Message-ID: <20090811151524.I10404@real-time.com> On 08/11 02:03 , Bob De Mars wrote: > Slackware is exempt from this, and this is a big reason I only use > Slackware on my production boxes. If a package is not available, it's as > easy as 1-2-3 to roll your own from source. No biggie. My problem with Slackware and Gentoo (and to a certain extent, the *BSDs) is that it encourages compiliation of software on every machine. The downsides of this are numerous: -- without package management, it's difficult to know what software needs to be updated -- compiling on every machine takes a lot of time and human handwork. Even if you're just updating one machine, it's a lot of additional work compared to just installing packages from somewhere -- you can't guarantee consistent builds between different machines. different options, different environments, cause different compiled results, which leads to confusion when trying to sort out why one machine works and another doesn't. -- a compiler provides attackers with a tool they can use against you (compiling a version of their software that will run on your machine). Even if just installing one piece of software on one machine, it's worth building a package for it if at all possible. Some software is easier to package than others tho. Unfortunately there are all too many software developers who never look at their software from the sysadmin side and see how much trouble it is to package & install. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From poptix at poptix.net Tue Aug 11 15:26:42 2009 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matt Hallacy) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:26:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: <1250020053.6200.83.camel@bob-desktop> Message-ID: <1250022403.2363.36.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 14:59 -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > Given that the code is all "free," why don't all of the distros take the > best of the others? For example, if Slackware makes it easy to roll your > own package, why don't the others take the Slackware code for this and > make their systems do it too? Because some people prefer vi, others like pico, and some real nuts prefer emacs. From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Aug 11 17:22:39 2009 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:22:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: <1250019634.2363.35.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> <20090811134132.E10404@real-time.com> <1250019634.2363.35.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> Message-ID: <28833.1250029359@skuld.wookimus.net> Like Carl and Matt, I've worked with both RPM and DEB based distributions. I've also committed a year of my life (that I'll never get back, mind you), trying to wedge Gentoo into a production environment (not my first choice by any means). Like Carl and Matt, I have a biased opinion about which distribution is "best". This is my own biased, honest opinion. Debian's quality, transparency, and ease of use far exceeds that of other distributions. Ubuntu polished this for the masses of Desktop users and Corporate types who want to be able to point a finger and blame someone for their problems. Ubuntu did what Debian couldn't do alone, raise corporate awareness and support for DEB format of packages. The fact of the matter is this, it all boils down to familiarity with the toolset. If you want hands-off experience with Linux, go with a commercial distribution where you can submit bug reports and expect a prompt call or email to help you. If you're willing to get your hands dirty, you may find yourself rolling your own RPM or DEB or PKG or whathaveyou. Which is easier? None of them. They all have a suite of applications that you'll need to research either via manpages (the correct place for info), web pages, or forums. I'm most familiar with Debian-based tools. I can cruise around at light-speed creating backport packages, new packages, applying patches, and making a general nuisance of myself. RPM's and the spec file format have never been all that interesting to me. I understand them, but I prefer to be able to create multiple files for my maintainer scripts (postinst, preinst, etc.) Gentoo .ebuild files, like .spec files, and like debian/rules files, all contain information on how to patch, compile, and build binaries. They all have different features, are maintained (whether well or poorly) by different people who invest differing amounts of time in to them. Is it wasted effort to maintain all of these different distributions, all of these different build systems, participate in all of these different communities? No, everyone has different needs and holds different ideals. What's the best distribution? Depends upon your environment and needs. Basically, who cares. It's all just code anyway. You just need to commit, be it with money or time. Chad From florin at iucha.net Tue Aug 11 18:18:29 2009 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:18:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Still Active? In-Reply-To: References: <20090806103933.I25298@real-time.com> <1250015188.2363.10.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> <1250018334.2363.13.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> Message-ID: <20090811231829.GJ3396@iris.iucha.org> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 02:56:17PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Matt Hallacy wrote: > > > On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:50 -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > >> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Matt Hallacy wrote: > >> > >>> If you want a solid server distribution, CentOS, RHEL maybe Slackware. > >>> If you want a solid desktop/laptop distribution, Fedora, or SuSE. > >> > >> > >> Is there anything wrong with Ubuntu? > > > > Despite all the hard work the Ubuntu folks have put into it, it still > > receives a great deal of its package repository from Debian which has > > proven repeatedly that they really have no standards for package quality > > or package maintainers. > > > No standards at all? That is bad. Yes, it is bad, that's why you need to take it with 50g of NaCl. > I haven't had any problems yet, that I > know of. I thought one of the arguments advanced in favor of Ubuntu was > that it was like Debian with better packages -- more up to date, at least. Debian really cares about the quality of their packages and about the integration of those packages. I had a Debian system that up for 5 years, with frequent software updates. During that time, I upgraded the motherboard a couple of times and switched the hard drives at least four times. Debian is stable and it works. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 08/11 02:03 , Bob De Mars wrote: >> Slackware is exempt from this, and this is a big reason I only use >> Slackware on my production boxes. If a package is not available, it's as >> easy as 1-2-3 to roll your own from source. No biggie. > My problem with Slackware and Gentoo (and to a certain extent, the *BSDs) is > that it encourages compiliation of software on every machine. The downsides > of this are numerous: > I am only speaking for Slackware here as I havn't touched a *BSD in over 10 years, and all I ever used Gentoo (cd or dvd) for was a nice coaster for my coffee cup. It seems Slack gets a bad rep. when it comes to package management. Slackware does have package management. By default it doesn't do dependency checking like others, but how hard is it really to see if you have required things installed or not. If this is an important issue to you, then there are a couple good .deb like/apt get package managers for Slack that do check the dependencies. Slackware doesn't have packages for every program under the sun to be sure (like Debain & crew, and others), but ships with just about everything you need. If it is something not provided by the Slack mothership, Slack ships with several tools that make the package creation process easy (and easy to maintain those packages going forward). > -- without package management, it's difficult to know what software needs to > be updated It's not difficult. > -- compiling on every machine takes a lot of time and human handwork. Even > if you're just updating one machine, it's a lot of additional work compared > to just installing packages from somewhere True compiling can take time. However you do not need to compile on every machine. Just on the machine that is rolling the package. > -- you can't guarantee consistent builds between different machines. > different options, different environments, cause different compiled results, > which leads to confusion when trying to sort out why one machine works and > another doesn't. Not True. Build one good package, and there is no confusion. > -- a compiler provides attackers with a tool they can use against you > (compiling a version of their software that will run on your machine). > Public boxes don't need compilers if the packages are being made behind the scenes or if simply upgrading or installing a package provided by Slack. > Even if just installing one piece of software on one machine, it's worth > building a package for it if at all possible. Some software is easier to > package than others tho. Unfortunately there are all too many software > developers who never look at their software from the sysadmin side and see > how much trouble it is to package & install. I agree with this. Bob GlobeRunners, Inc. IT Manager 600 Inwood Ave. N., Suite 160 | Oakdale, MN 55128 | Direct (651) 925-1500 | Cell: (612) 850-6940 | Fax: (651) 925-1560 | Email: bob at grunners.com From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Aug 16 10:24:05 2009 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:24:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200908161524.n7GFO5c22608@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Brother HL-5250DN printer Laser printer with built in network and duplexing. Works great, I've had it about 1 year and just recently replaced it with a color laser. Linux ships with drivers and there are Linux drivers on the website. $100 and it's yours. Seller Email address: jpschewe at mtu dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From rhubarbpie at poetworld.net Mon Aug 17 16:45:56 2009 From: rhubarbpie at poetworld.net (rhubarbpie at poetworld.net) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:45:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux 3D CAD software Message-ID: <4A89CF94.6080601@poetworld.net> Does anyone have experience with Linux 3D CAD software? Blender? Others? I need to develop a 3D presentation of a bicycle drive train. I've not used CAD software, but assume such a presentation wouldn't require a high-powered package. From mark.katerberg at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 18:29:58 2009 From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (Mark Katerberg) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:29:58 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux 3D CAD software In-Reply-To: <4A89CF94.6080601@poetworld.net> References: <4A89CF94.6080601@poetworld.net> Message-ID: I've used Blender a little bit, and I've liked what I've seen. I don't know if it's really suited for high-end commercial projects though. I know master-blenderers do so, but they might be forcing it. 2009/8/17 > > Does anyone I need to develop a 3D presentation of a bicycle drive train. > I've not have experience with Linux 3D CAD software? Blender? Others? > > I need to develop a 3D presentation of a bicycle drive train. I've not > used CAD software, but assume such a presentation wouldn't require a > high-powered package. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Mark Katerberg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. ==>brian. From troythetechguy at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 20:38:58 2009 From: troythetechguy at gmail.com (Troy) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:38:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Classified Ad: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3GZ processor Message-ID: <34de7f3d0908181838y43cd3a7bu2930fcf35610a030@mail.gmail.com> Brand new, still in the box and never opened, Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3GZ processor with 6MB L2 cache and 1333 MHz FSB. A fast processor at a great price! $149 For complete specs view http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAPL Please email troythetechguy at gmail.com if interested. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. ==>brian. From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Aug 21 02:38:20 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:38:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] *Saturday* Favorite Applications @ Penguins Unbound Meeting August 22nd 2009 Message-ID: <4A8E4EEC.7020507@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday August 22nd at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00 am to 12:00pm ** We will meet in the Larpenteur Room above the garage ** (You can take the stairs or elevator to the second floor the cross the walkway and you should see the door.) (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) This month we will have a discussion about people favorite applications. So please come with a your favorite application in mind, and a few words as to why! We should also have time for Q&A Hope to see you there. Thanks. ==>brian. From nesius at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 10:01:18 2009 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:01:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New Arrival Message-ID: Hello, I just joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. I've relocated back to MN after a fourteen year stint on the west coast. I grew up near Detroit Lake where I was an Apple geek since I was 5 years old (go go Apple II!!). My first job out of college was with Apple, where I spent 2 years doing software configuration and release management. Following Apple I fled from the Silicon Valley and its overpriced real estate market to the Silicon Forest in Portland, OR, where I worked within the part of IT @ Intel responsible for maintaining the silicon design and validation environments. What was a very large *NIX (AIX/HP-UX/Solaris) environment became a GNU/Linux environment while I was there. My role was debugging/building/distribution Open Source tools used within the design and validation environments world-wide (across Linux and the commercial flavors I previously mentioned). Quite a lot of interesting problems to solve in an environment like that. Along the way I traded in my Apple enthusiasm for FOSS. With my family mostly in MN, the advent of parenthood made the distance between here and there seem immensely greater. I was afforded a chance to relocate to central MN with my in-laws, and decided to go for it. I'm now in the St. Cloud area, and it seems this LUG is the closest one too me. I was hoping for a LUG in St. Cloud/Central Minnesota - anyone else on the list in my neck of the woods? I'm happy to see there are some kindred spirits here in MN. :) Nice to meet you all! -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Larry -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Robert Nesius Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:01 AM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] New Arrival Hello, I just joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. I've relocated back to MN after a fourteen year stint on the west coast. I grew up near Detroit Lake where I was an Apple geek since I was 5 years old (go go Apple II!!). My first job out of college was with Apple, where I spent 2 years doing software configuration and release management. Following Apple I fled from the Silicon Valley and its overpriced real estate market to the Silicon Forest in Portland, OR, where I worked within the part of IT @ Intel responsible for maintaining the silicon design and validation environments. What was a very large *NIX (AIX/HP-UX/Solaris) environment became a GNU/Linux environment while I was there. My role was debugging/building/distribution Open Source tools used within the design and validation environments world-wide (across Linux and the commercial flavors I previously mentioned). Quite a lot of interesting problems to solve in an environment like that. Along the way I traded in my Apple enthusiasm for FOSS. With my family mostly in MN, the advent of parenthood made the distance between here and there seem immensely greater. I was afforded a chance to relocate to central MN with my in-laws, and decided to go for it. I'm now in the St. Cloud area, and it seems this LUG is the closest one too me. I was hoping for a LUG in St. Cloud/Central Minnesota - anyone else on the list in my neck of the woods? I'm happy to see there are some kindred spirits here in MN. :) Nice to meet you all! -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I grew up near Detroit Lake where I was an Apple geek since I was 5 years old (go go Apple II!!). My first job out of college was with Apple, where I spent 2 years doing software configuration and release management. Following Apple I fled from the Silicon Valley and its overpriced real estate market to the Silicon Forest in Portland, OR, where I worked within the part of IT @ Intel responsible for maintaining the silicon design and validation environments. What was a very large *NIX (AIX/HP-UX/Solaris) environment became a GNU/Linux environment while I was there. My role was debugging/building/distribution Open Source tools used within the design and validation environments world-wide (across Linux and the commercial flavors I previously mentioned). Quite a lot of interesting problems to solve in an environment like that. Along the way I traded in my Apple enthusiasm for FOSS. With my family mostly in MN, the advent of parenthood made the distance between here and there seem immensely greater. I was afforded a chance to relocate to central MN with my in-laws, and decided to go for it. I'm now in the St. Cloud area, and it seems this LUG is the closest one too me. I was hoping for a LUG in St. Cloud/Central Minnesota - anyone else on the list in my neck of the woods? I'm happy to see there are some kindred spirits here in MN. :) Nice to meet you all! -Rob From rclark at lakesplus.com Fri Aug 21 11:18:22 2009 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:18:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New Arrival In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well Rob . I am even further out in the woods . NW of you another 90+ miles in the Perham, Ottertail, New York Mills area. Welcome to the list. I most often lurk and pick up useful tidbits at they come along. Randy _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Robert Nesius Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:01 AM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] New Arrival Hello, I just joined the list and wanted to introduce myself. I've relocated back to MN after a fourteen year stint on the west coast. I grew up near Detroit Lake where I was an Apple geek since I was 5 years old (go go Apple II!!). My first job out of college was with Apple, where I spent 2 years doing software configuration and release management. Following Apple I fled from the Silicon Valley and its overpriced real estate market to the Silicon Forest in Portland, OR, where I worked within the part of IT @ Intel responsible for maintaining the silicon design and validation environments. What was a very large *NIX (AIX/HP-UX/Solaris) environment became a GNU/Linux environment while I was there. My role was debugging/building/distribution Open Source tools used within the design and validation environments world-wide (across Linux and the commercial flavors I previously mentioned). Quite a lot of interesting problems to solve in an environment like that. Along the way I traded in my Apple enthusiasm for FOSS. With my family mostly in MN, the advent of parenthood made the distance between here and there seem immensely greater. I was afforded a chance to relocate to central MN with my in-laws, and decided to go for it. I'm now in the St. Cloud area, and it seems this LUG is the closest one too me. I was hoping for a LUG in St. Cloud/Central Minnesota - anyone else on the list in my neck of the woods? I'm happy to see there are some kindred spirits here in MN. :) Nice to meet you all! -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090821/050f5a9d/attachment-0001.htm From nesius at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 11:33:55 2009 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:33:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian (Was: Re: Still Active?) Message-ID: I saw the message below while reviewing the list archives along with some other posts that had me thinking Debian might be a bit misunderstood as a distro. Debian has two primary standards for packages. License and volatility. On the license front, Debian has held the line on the "Free Software" ideology more than any other distro I can think of. There are a TON of distros out there - so maybe more accurate to say "most 'pure' of the well known distros". For more on Debian's views on Free Software and the principles that guide their decision making, see this page about the Debian Social Contract. http://www.debian.org/social_contract Debian's strict adherence to their principles is the source of some of Debian's idiosyncrasies. (e.g., where's pine?) Beyond that, to understand the relationship between Ubuntu and Debian, it helps to understand Debian's release process, because Ubuntu (based on Debian) fills a gap in both cadence and out-of-the box functionality. Debian has four defined release branches. Briefly, they are: - *Stable *- Only bug-fixes are ported into this release, not new features. It is nearly always safe to take changes to deb-stable without disrupting a service running over it. - *Testing - *The next stable release, new features are allowed here. - *Unstable - *This branch usually has recent (current) releases of software. - *Experimental *- bleeding edge stuff. A friend of mine jokes that "Debian Stable = Debian Obsolete, Debian Testing = Debian Old, Debian Unstable = Debian Current". As a result of Debian defining release points in terms of volatility (specifically, almost no patches), formal releases of Debian are often over a year apart. That's where Canonical, Ltd steps in. They provide a six-month release cadence with a focus on integration and providing a useful and usable platform by default. That kind of resources needs a bit more money behind it. Mark Shuttleworth, an entrepreneur and the (former?) maintainer for Apache on Debian, gave it a try and so Ubuntu (the distro) and Canonical Ltd (the company) were born. Ubuntu tries very hard to stay true to their Debian roots, making exception for graphics and hardware drivers, and maybe some fonts too. A lot of Debian maintainers and release managers are now employed by Canonical. It's pretty easy to bag on Debian. From many people's standpoint they are slow, ideological, and opinionated. As one person pointed out they made an egregious mistake with an openssl patch years ago. But in the context of the overall "linux-distro ecosystem" they are a vitally important and respected distro. Despite some mistakes, they are definitely "the good guys." The world's a better place for having Debian (and in turn, Ubuntu). Hopefully anyone who made it this far found this interesting. Also, if you see any inaccuracies in what I wrote above please call them out. I'm pretty sure I got the details right, but at the same time I don't have a degree in distro-geneology. :) Cheers! -Rob --------------------------------------- On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Matt Hallacy wrote: > On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:50 -0500, Mike Miller wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Matt Hallacy wrote: >> >>> If you want a solid server distribution, CentOS, RHEL maybe Slackware. >>> If you want a solid desktop/laptop distribution, Fedora, or SuSE. >> >> >> Is there anything wrong with Ubuntu? > > Despite all the hard work the Ubuntu folks have put into it, it still > receives a great deal of its package repository from Debian which has > proven repeatedly that they really have no standards for package quality > or package maintainers. No standards at all? That is bad. I haven't had any problems yet, that I know of. I thought one of the arguments advanced in favor of Ubuntu was that it was like Debian with better packages -- more up to date, at least. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090821/dd089147/attachment.htm From phresus at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 11:40:18 2009 From: phresus at gmail.com (Ryan Barry) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:40:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] fglrx HDMI Message-ID: <52c89ab70908210940u3a79e950sf201c374321858ea@mail.gmail.com> So, I'm sure I'll get the usual nVidia recommendations, but I recently built a HTPC with a Radeon 3200 onboard. Everything worked as expected, but a desire to use MAME convinced me to add a real video card, and the low profile 4650 fit the bill. Unfortunately, it's not taking. I can get a console on HDMI, but as soon as GDM tries to start (Ubuntu 9.04 due to F11's lack of fglrx support), the system locks up hard (in truth, it locks up starting failsafe X after it tries and fails with fglrx) with a few colored lines on the top of the display. Xorg.0.log says it can't find any screens (which is clearly not the case given that the *only* connection is through the HDMI output). I haven't tried a DVI->HDMI adapter, which is likely to work, but leaves me without audio. Anybody have suggestions (how to force fglrx to try initializing the HDMI connection would be nice, since the "force" directives in aticonfig don't appear to resolve it)? -- while (!asleep) { sheep++; } -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090821/f0e56702/attachment.htm From dan at dburkland.com Fri Aug 21 11:52:14 2009 From: dan at dburkland.com (Daniel Burkland) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:52:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New Arrival In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090821115214.495d0a3d@FedoraLappy> Welcome! I am sort of new here so it's good to see another active member :). You arrived in Minnesota in time for winter ;) Dan From ian.greenleaf at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 12:00:00 2009 From: ian.greenleaf at gmail.com (Ian Young) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:00:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian (Was: Re: Still Active?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8ED290.9070102@gmail.com> Robert Nesius wrote: > A friend of mine jokes that "Debian Stable = Debian Obsolete, Debian > Testing = Debian Old, Debian Unstable = Debian Current". As a result > of Debian defining release points in terms of volatility (specifically, > almost no patches), formal releases of Debian are often over a year apart. > Indeed, that was my biggest gripe during the time I used Debian. If you want a featureful desktop system, you almost have to use Unstable, because the others are so woefully out of date (although having now dealt with RHEL, I'm practically nostalgic about Debian Stable). And unstable was mostly fine for me, except for the one day where some package update broke EVERYTHING. When you're using an "unstable" branch, that kind of thing happens occasionally, but it was frustrating because I wasn't using it out of willingness to have my system break - I just wanted a version of Amarok that wasn't two years old. Ubuntu definitely has an advantage in this arena - they get relatively recent packages from unstable, but doing release cycles lets them cherry pick a set of packages that work nicely together. Ian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But I get to use Linux daily for work as one of our main attack platforms (BT4) and I get to break into a lot of poorly maintained/configured Linux boxes. We also use Linux in our classes when we teach folks to hack, our wireless class is 100% Linux and our other ones probably 50%. So um... yeah.. Linux! Lets have a meeting or something, I volunteer to do a demo on taking over peoples systems with Karma or something like that if folks are interested. --j On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Daniel Burkland wrote: > Welcome! I am sort of new here so it's good to see another active > member :). You arrived in Minnesota in time for winter ;) > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090821/d311d5e5/attachment.htm From crumley at fields.space.umn.edu Fri Aug 21 16:13:13 2009 From: crumley at fields.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:13:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] New Arrival In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38817.152.65.129.201.1250889193.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> On Fri, August 21, 2009 10:01 am, Robert Nesius wrote: > With my family mostly in MN, the advent of parenthood made the distance > between here and there seem immensely greater. I was afforded a chance to > relocate to central MN with my in-laws, and decided to go for it. I'm now > in the St. Cloud area, and it seems this LUG is the closest one too me. I > was hoping for a LUG in St. Cloud/Central Minnesota - anyone else on the > list in my neck of the woods? As other have said, welcome back! There actually is a LUG in the St. Cloud area -SCALUG - which has been meeting more frequently for the past year or so, with meetings often at the St. Cloud public library. It lives on Yahoo Groups now -http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCALUG/ - ick. Anyway, I am up near St. Cloud too, though I have never made it to any of the physical SCALUG events. There are several other posters to this list up in the St. Cloud area as well. Anyway, once again, welcome. Jim Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From mark.katerberg at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 11:26:43 2009 From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (Mark Katerberg) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:26:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New Arrival In-Reply-To: <38817.152.65.129.201.1250889193.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> References: <38817.152.65.129.201.1250889193.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: I am also fairly new to this. I started using Linux 3 months ago and go the University of Minnesota. I would love to have a meeting, and watching someone crack with Karma (or Crack with Carma?) sounds as good as anything. How about sometime in September? 2009/8/21 Jim Crumley > On Fri, August 21, 2009 10:01 am, Robert Nesius wrote: > > > With my family mostly in MN, the advent of parenthood made the distance > > between here and there seem immensely greater. I was afforded a chance > to > > relocate to central MN with my in-laws, and decided to go for it. I'm > now > > in the St. Cloud area, and it seems this LUG is the closest one too me. > I > > was hoping for a LUG in St. Cloud/Central Minnesota - anyone else on the > > list in my neck of the woods? > > As other have said, welcome back! > > There actually is a LUG in the St. Cloud area -SCALUG - which has been > meeting more frequently for the past year or so, with meetings often at > the St. Cloud public library. It lives on Yahoo Groups now > -http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCALUG/ - ick. > > Anyway, I am up near St. Cloud too, though I have never made it to any of > the physical SCALUG events. There are several other posters to this list > up in the St. Cloud area as well. > > Anyway, once again, welcome. > > > Jim > > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List > (TCLUG) > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons | > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Mark Katerberg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090822/55ba9255/attachment.htm From pcutler at gnome.org Sat Aug 22 14:41:53 2009 From: pcutler at gnome.org (Paul Cutler) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:41:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New Arrival In-Reply-To: References: <38817.152.65.129.201.1250889193.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <39428b2a0908221241l22d5b975oc963b323da49ddc@mail.gmail.com> Welcome to all the new members! I'm giving a talk at the end of September at Ohio Linux Fest - "An Introduction to GNOME 3.0". If there's interest, I'd be happy to give the talk here as well - especially if I can do it as my dry run. :) I'm not sure if Jeremy or anyone is still scheduling meetings at U of M. If not, I reached out to Brian at Penguins Unbound, and hope to give the talk there in October or November. --Paul Paul Cutler pcutler at gnome.org On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Mark Katerberg wrote: > I am also fairly new to this. I started using Linux 3 months ago and go > the University of Minnesota. I would love to have a meeting, and watching > someone crack with Karma (or Crack with Carma?) sounds as good as anything. > How about sometime in September? > > 2009/8/21 Jim Crumley > > On Fri, August 21, 2009 10:01 am, Robert Nesius wrote: >> >> > With my family mostly in MN, the advent of parenthood made the distance >> > between here and there seem immensely greater. I was afforded a chance >> to >> > relocate to central MN with my in-laws, and decided to go for it. I'm >> now >> > in the St. Cloud area, and it seems this LUG is the closest one too me. >> I >> > was hoping for a LUG in St. Cloud/Central Minnesota - anyone else on the >> > list in my neck of the woods? >> >> As other have said, welcome back! >> >> There actually is a LUG in the St. Cloud area -SCALUG - which has been >> meeting more frequently for the past year or so, with meetings often at >> the St. Cloud public library. It lives on Yahoo Groups now >> -http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCALUG/ - ick. >> >> Anyway, I am up near St. Cloud too, though I have never made it to any of >> the physical SCALUG events. There are several other posters to this list >> up in the St. Cloud area as well. >> >> Anyway, once again, welcome. >> >> >> Jim >> >> Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List >> (TCLUG) >> Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ >> Never laugh at live dragons | >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Mark Katerberg > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090822/cdbaa2d0/attachment.htm From mark.katerberg at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 16:50:56 2009 From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (Mark Katerberg) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:50:56 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] New Arrival In-Reply-To: <39428b2a0908221241l22d5b975oc963b323da49ddc@mail.gmail.com> References: <38817.152.65.129.201.1250889193.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> <39428b2a0908221241l22d5b975oc963b323da49ddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would be very interested to hear it early in September. I could reserve a classroom at the U of M as well. 2009/8/22 Paul Cutler > Welcome to all the new members! > > I'm giving a talk at the end of September at Ohio Linux Fest - "An > Introduction to GNOME 3.0". If there's interest, I'd be happy to give the > talk here as well - especially if I can do it as my dry run. :) I'm not > sure if Jeremy or anyone is still scheduling meetings at U of M. If not, I > reached out to Brian at Penguins Unbound, and hope to give the talk there in > October or November. > > --Paul > > > Paul Cutler > pcutler at gnome.org > > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Mark Katerberg > wrote: > >> I am also fairly new to this. I started using Linux 3 months ago and go >> the University of Minnesota. I would love to have a meeting, and watching >> someone crack with Karma (or Crack with Carma?) sounds as good as anything. >> How about sometime in September? >> >> 2009/8/21 Jim Crumley >> >> On Fri, August 21, 2009 10:01 am, Robert Nesius wrote: >>> >>> > With my family mostly in MN, the advent of parenthood made the distance >>> > between here and there seem immensely greater. I was afforded a chance >>> to >>> > relocate to central MN with my in-laws, and decided to go for it. I'm >>> now >>> > in the St. Cloud area, and it seems this LUG is the closest one too me. >>> I >>> > was hoping for a LUG in St. Cloud/Central Minnesota - anyone else on >>> the >>> > list in my neck of the woods? >>> >>> As other have said, welcome back! >>> >>> There actually is a LUG in the St. Cloud area -SCALUG - which has been >>> meeting more frequently for the past year or so, with meetings often at >>> the St. Cloud public library. It lives on Yahoo Groups now >>> -http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCALUG/ - ick. >>> >>> Anyway, I am up near St. Cloud too, though I have never made it to any of >>> the physical SCALUG events. There are several other posters to this list >>> up in the St. Cloud area as well. >>> >>> Anyway, once again, welcome. >>> >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List >>> (TCLUG) >>> Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ >>> Never laugh at live dragons | >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Katerberg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > -- Mark Katerberg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090822/64c54e49/attachment.htm From jjensen at apache.org Sat Aug 22 21:43:31 2009 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:43:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New Arrival In-Reply-To: References: <38817.152.65.129.201.1250889193.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> <39428b2a0908221241l22d5b975oc963b323da49ddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If needed, my company has rooms with screens and projectors we can use.? Each can easily hold 50 people. On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:50:56 -0400 Mark Katerberg wrote: > I would be very interested to hear it early in >September. I could reserve a > classroom at the U of M as well. > > 2009/8/22 Paul Cutler > >> Welcome to all the new members! >> >> I'm giving a talk at the end of September at Ohio Linux >>Fest - "An >> Introduction to GNOME 3.0". If there's interest, I'd be >>happy to give the >> talk here as well - especially if I can do it as my dry >>run. :) I'm not >> sure if Jeremy or anyone is still scheduling meetings at >>U of M. If not, I >> reached out to Brian at Penguins Unbound, and hope to >>give the talk there in >> October or November. >> >> --Paul >> >> >> Paul Cutler >> pcutler at gnome.org >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Mark Katerberg >>> > wrote: >> >>> I am also fairly new to this. I started using Linux 3 >>>months ago and go >>> the University of Minnesota. I would love to have a >>>meeting, and watching >>> someone crack with Karma (or Crack with Carma?) sounds >>>as good as anything. >>> How about sometime in September? >>> >>> 2009/8/21 Jim Crumley >>> >>> On Fri, August 21, 2009 10:01 am, Robert Nesius wrote: >>>> >>>> > With my family mostly in MN, the advent of parenthood >>>>made the distance >>>> > between here and there seem immensely greater. I was >>>>afforded a chance >>>> to >>>> > relocate to central MN with my in-laws, and decided to >>>>go for it. I'm >>>> now >>>> > in the St. Cloud area, and it seems this LUG is the >>>>closest one too me. >>>> I >>>> > was hoping for a LUG in St. Cloud/Central Minnesota - >>>>anyone else on >>>> the >>>> > list in my neck of the woods? >>>> >>>> As other have said, welcome back! >>>> >>>> There actually is a LUG in the St. Cloud area -SCALUG - >>>>which has been >>>> meeting more frequently for the past year or so, with >>>>meetings often at >>>> the St. Cloud public library. It lives on Yahoo Groups >>>>now >>>> -http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCALUG/ - ick. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I am up near St. Cloud too, though I have never >>>>made it to any of >>>> the physical SCALUG events. There are several other >>>>posters to this list >>>> up in the St. Cloud area as well. >>>> >>>> Anyway, once again, welcome. >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users >>>>Group Mailing List >>>> (TCLUG) >>>> Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ >>>> Never laugh at live dragons | >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Katerberg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Mark Katerberg From jjensen at apache.org Sun Aug 23 00:36:17 2009 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:36:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk controllers and external disk enclosures Message-ID: Hello, Recently, my old home Linux server had a hardware failure :-(.? Thankfully the disk is good and I copied the data off onto another one temporarily until I get a new installation done (it's weird - it boots fine, but the NIC and a SCSI card fail to work - I think the adder board they plug into has an issue as I replaced the NIC and had the same result; it does not see them). I have the PC for the new one, and my stumbling block is the disk configuration - I'm wanting to do a more-safe data configuration (e.g. RAID 5) and larger capacity (e.g. 4 1 TB drives).? I've also wondered about just getting NAS, e.g. ReadyNAS, as "it's all ready", but for equivalent storage amount, it's a more expensive. I'm a software guy by trade, and know only a little networking and hardware, so I can really use advice! :-) What RAID controllers can you recommend particularly known to work with Linux (currently using Fedora, and plan to for this install)?? With my research, I've become hesitant to purchase the RAID controller, having been reading on too many problems with Linux.? I'm hoping someone can recommend one that has worked well.? (some of the items I've been reading are old, so not sure if the newer distros have been improved or not)? It's interesting that the older Fedora install docs have RAID info on issues, but Fedora 11 does not.? It makes me wonder if most issues have been resolved?? I could use the Linux software RAID, but not sure. Has anyone setup with an external enclosure for 4 (or more) drives?? What enclosures can you recommend?? (I could fit 4 drives in the case if I remove the existing HD - which I plan to not use unless for some reason it's needed to boot from instead of the RAID) For both options, I've mainly been reviewing newegg, microcenter, general nanosystems, and ebay.? There are a lot of options! Looking for some education - TIA! From adam at askewview.net Sun Aug 23 06:52:03 2009 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:52:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Disk controllers and external disk enclosures Message-ID: <62638.66.41.45.47.1251028323.squirrel@mail.askewview.net> Jeff, I've been very happy with the couple of 3Ware SATA RAID controllers I've owned. They are a true hardware RAID controller unlike some of the less expensive cards out there. I've been running one in a Gentoo Linux box for 5 years now and another in a Centos Linux box for almost 4 years with no issues. --Adam > Hello, > Recently, my old home Linux server had a hardware failure > :-(.? Thankfully the disk is good and I copied the data > off onto another one temporarily until I get a new > installation done (it's weird - it boots fine, but the NIC > and a SCSI card fail to work - I think the adder board > they plug into has an issue as I replaced the NIC and had > the same result; it does not see them). > > I have the PC for the new one, and my stumbling block is > the disk configuration - I'm wanting to do a more-safe > data configuration (e.g. RAID 5) and larger capacity (e.g. > 4 1 TB drives).? I've also wondered about just getting > NAS, e.g. ReadyNAS, as "it's all ready", but for > equivalent storage amount, it's a more expensive. > > I'm a software guy by trade, and know only a little > networking and hardware, so I can really use advice! :-) > > What RAID controllers can you recommend particularly known > to work with Linux (currently using Fedora, and plan to > for this install)?? With my research, I've become hesitant > to purchase the RAID > controller, having been reading on too many problems with > Linux.? I'm > hoping someone can recommend one that has worked well.? > (some of the > items I've been reading are old, so not sure if the newer > distros have > been improved or not)? It's interesting that the older > Fedora install > docs have RAID info on issues, but Fedora 11 does not.? It > makes me > wonder if most issues have been resolved?? I could use the > Linux software RAID, but not sure. > > > Has anyone setup with an external enclosure for 4 (or > more) drives?? What enclosures can you recommend?? (I > could fit 4 drives in the case if I remove the existing HD > - which I plan to not use unless for some reason it's > needed to boot from instead of the RAID) > > For both options, I've mainly been reviewing newegg, > microcenter, general nanosystems, and ebay.? There are a > lot of options! > > Looking for some education - TIA! > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thoth.serath at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 11:52:53 2009 From: thoth.serath at gmail.com (Chris G.) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:52:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] forensics Message-ID: <7c055dc50908230952y2d9f7e9cw2519d616f3856488@mail.gmail.com> i am trying to get information off of an old hard drive out of a 286 computer. it is a few megabytes big. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090823/0a6d4f9e/attachment.htm From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 12:52:09 2009 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:52:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] forensics In-Reply-To: <7c055dc50908230952y2d9f7e9cw2519d616f3856488@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c055dc50908230952y2d9f7e9cw2519d616f3856488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <254fef0f0908231052m7b485c9an8993d401c9fda17c@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Chris G. wrote: > i am trying to get information off of an old hard drive out of a 286 > computer. it is a few megabytes big. Some leading questions that may help you get help on this: Is the drive still mechanically functional and the data corrupted, or the data intact but the drive broken? What physical form factor / style of drive? Do you know the filesystem the data was stored in? Tony Yarusso http://tonyyarusso.com/ From blawrence at qwest.net Sun Aug 23 14:10:31 2009 From: blawrence at qwest.net (Brian Lawrence) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:10:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk controllers and external disk enclosures In-Reply-To: <62638.66.41.45.47.1251028323.squirrel@mail.askewview.net> References: <62638.66.41.45.47.1251028323.squirrel@mail.askewview.net> Message-ID: <030A97A7BA3345A1B0A228FA5131F2C8@dcm.int> I've also had great results with AMCC/3Ware PCI-E SATA RAID controllers on Linux. Brian Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:52 AM To: Jeff Jensen Cc: TCLUG Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Disk controllers and external disk enclosures Jeff, I've been very happy with the couple of 3Ware SATA RAID controllers I've owned. They are a true hardware RAID controller unlike some of the less expensive cards out there. I've been running one in a Gentoo Linux box for 5 years now and another in a Centos Linux box for almost 4 years with no issues. --Adam > Hello, > Recently, my old home Linux server had a hardware failure :-(.? > Thankfully the disk is good and I copied the data off onto another one > temporarily until I get a new installation done (it's weird - it boots > fine, but the NIC and a SCSI card fail to work - I think the adder > board they plug into has an issue as I replaced the NIC and had the > same result; it does not see them). > > I have the PC for the new one, and my stumbling block is the disk > configuration - I'm wanting to do a more-safe data configuration (e.g. > RAID 5) and larger capacity (e.g. > 4 1 TB drives).? I've also wondered about just getting NAS, e.g. > ReadyNAS, as "it's all ready", but for equivalent storage amount, it's > a more expensive. > > I'm a software guy by trade, and know only a little networking and > hardware, so I can really use advice! :-) > > What RAID controllers can you recommend particularly known to work > with Linux (currently using Fedora, and plan to for this install)?? > With my research, I've become hesitant to purchase the RAID > controller, having been reading on too many problems with Linux.? I'm > hoping someone can recommend one that has worked well. > (some of the > items I've been reading are old, so not sure if the newer distros have > been improved or not)? It's interesting that the older Fedora install > docs have RAID info on issues, but Fedora 11 does not.? It makes me > wonder if most issues have been resolved?? I could use the Linux > software RAID, but not sure. > > > Has anyone setup with an external enclosure for 4 (or > more) drives?? What enclosures can you recommend?? (I could fit 4 > drives in the case if I remove the existing HD > - which I plan to not use unless for some reason it's needed to boot > from instead of the RAID) > > For both options, I've mainly been reviewing newegg, microcenter, > general nanosystems, and ebay.? There are a lot of options! > > Looking for some education - TIA! > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Sun Aug 23 21:11:17 2009 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matt Hallacy) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:11:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk controllers and external disk enclosures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1251079877.3712.98.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> We use a combination of Adaptec, LSI, and 3ware at work, all three work great, 3ware has the least expensive of the three and also has the best interface for managing the controller. We also use software RAID though, which works just as well (better than hardware RAID in some configurations, such as SSD). If you're looking to provide uptime or simply a larger partition go with software RAID, if you're looking to protect your data, use backups. On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 23:36 -0600, Jeff Jensen wrote: [snip] From jjensen at apache.org Sun Aug 23 22:27:07 2009 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:27:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Disk controllers and external disk enclosures In-Reply-To: <1251079877.3712.98.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> References: <1251079877.3712.98.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the replies guys.? After further reading and discussions today, I will use software RAID.? With the performance difference being negligible for my use and the portability of the software approach, kind of an easy decision if I don't mind a little more configuration... Funny thing is, I trekked it across town to Microcenter today and bought drives and a card, and the immediate problem is the card is not recognized :-(.? Of all things to have problems with... Even funnier part is I paid more for a card that was recommended to have better support.? ugh.? Probably need to make another trip. Of course, also have a little problem with mounting 2 of the drives - not as handy a case as I hoped.? May need to find an (external?) enclosure of some sorts. (recs anyone?!) Matt - yep, have backups; thanks for making sure.? For this new setup, I plan to copy the data to a system I just setup for that (another old box not good for anything but Linux!).? For my prior system, I was just rsyncing.? Do you have a rec for a program that has a better managed approach? On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:11:17 -0500 Matt Hallacy wrote: > We use a combination of Adaptec, LSI, and 3ware at work, >all three work > great, 3ware has the least expensive of the three and >also has the best > interface for managing the controller. > > We also use software RAID though, which works just as >well (better than > hardware RAID in some configurations, such as SSD). If >you're looking to > provide uptime or simply a larger partition go with >software RAID, if > you're looking to protect your data, use backups. > > On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 23:36 -0600, Jeff Jensen wrote: > [snip] > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nesius at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 09:37:10 2009 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New Arrival In-Reply-To: <39428b2a0908221241l22d5b975oc963b323da49ddc@mail.gmail.com> References: <38817.152.65.129.201.1250889193.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> <39428b2a0908221241l22d5b975oc963b323da49ddc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. I hope to meet some or all of you as time goes by. I'll watch for meeting announcements and will chip in here when I can, and I'll also do some detective work on a St. Cloud LUG. Thanks much! -Rob p.s. I wouldn't mine knowing more about you all too! Is there a roster-page with brief bios anywhere? On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Paul Cutler wrote: > Welcome to all the new members! > > I'm giving a talk at the end of September at Ohio Linux Fest - "An > Introduction to GNOME 3.0". If there's interest, I'd be happy to give the > talk here as well - especially if I can do it as my dry run. :) I'm not > sure if Jeremy or anyone is still scheduling meetings at U of M. If not, I > reached out to Brian at Penguins Unbound, and hope to give the talk there in > October or November. > > --Paul > > > Paul Cutler > pcutler at gnome.org > > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Mark Katerberg > wrote: > >> I am also fairly new to this. I started using Linux 3 months ago and go >> the University of Minnesota. I would love to have a meeting, and watching >> someone crack with Karma (or Crack with Carma?) sounds as good as anything. >> How about sometime in September? >> >> 2009/8/21 Jim Crumley >> >> On Fri, August 21, 2009 10:01 am, Robert Nesius wrote: >>> >>> > With my family mostly in MN, the advent of parenthood made the distance >>> > between here and there seem immensely greater. I was afforded a chance >>> to >>> > relocate to central MN with my in-laws, and decided to go for it. I'm >>> now >>> > in the St. Cloud area, and it seems this LUG is the closest one too me. >>> I >>> > was hoping for a LUG in St. Cloud/Central Minnesota - anyone else on >>> the >>> > list in my neck of the woods? >>> >>> As other have said, welcome back! >>> >>> There actually is a LUG in the St. Cloud area -SCALUG - which has been >>> meeting more frequently for the past year or so, with meetings often at >>> the St. Cloud public library. It lives on Yahoo Groups now >>> -http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCALUG/ - ick. >>> >>> Anyway, I am up near St. Cloud too, though I have never made it to any of >>> the physical SCALUG events. There are several other posters to this list >>> up in the St. Cloud area as well. >>> >>> Anyway, once again, welcome. >>> >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List >>> (TCLUG) >>> Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ >>> Never laugh at live dragons | >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Katerberg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SCA (St. Cloud Area) LUG - posts on the ML now and then and occasional get-togethers: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SCALUG/ Josh From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 10:49:18 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:49:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] 40 years of Unix Message-ID: Nice article: 40 years of Unix http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8205976.stm Mike From dworden at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 11:11:57 2009 From: dworden at gmail.com (David Worden) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:11:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] 40 years of Unix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am usually a total lurker on this list, so most won't know me. However, I've been fortunate enough to have taken Unix-like systems for a 25 year ride. If you are ever in the Bay, I highly recommend visiting the Computer History Museum: http://www.computerhistory.org/ That will give you more appreciation for this history. Back to lurking.......... On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Mike Miller > wrote: > Nice article: > > 40 years of Unix > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8205976.stm > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090825/acd3214e/attachment.htm From kris.browne at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 18:50:03 2009 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (kris.browne at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] 40 years of Unix Message-ID: <4a9478ab.1cbd720a.1ff0.ffff9da4@mx.google.com> I have had the joy of about 20 years of *nix myself, starting with Minix on an original IBM XT. It has been the basis for half my career thus far, and I hope to have many more happy years with it's variants. For those interested, you can run some much older versions of ATT UNIX through the simh emulator for a glimpse of what has changed (and what hasn't). Kristopher Browne --- Original Message --- From:"David Worden" Sent:Tue 8/25/09 11:18 To:"TCLUG List" Subj:[tclug-list] 40 years of Unix I am usually a total lurker on this list, so most won't know me. However, I've been fortunate enough to have taken Unix-like systems for a 25 year ride. If you are ever in the Bay, I highly recommend visiting the Computer History Museum: http://www.computerhistory.org/ That will give you more appreciation for this history. Back to lurking.......... On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Mike Miller > wrote: > Nice article: > > 40 years of Unix > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8205976.stm > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dan at dburkland.com Tue Aug 25 20:12:55 2009 From: dan at dburkland.com (Daniel Burkland) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:12:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [crosspost] New Arrival In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07F8330C-C298-49E7-B6F5-D5B610375BBE@dburkland.com> I'll be book marking that and checking for updates. I am located in Coon Rapids but wouldn't mind the drive. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:00 PM, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > Re: [tclug-list] [crosspost] New Arrival From jack at jacku.com Fri Aug 28 09:36:39 2009 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:36:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] forensics In-Reply-To: <7c055dc50908230952y2d9f7e9cw2519d616f3856488@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c055dc50908230952y2d9f7e9cw2519d616f3856488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fef78e80908280736v18bdfea3ta94151fc3d531dc5@mail.gmail.com> Do you still have the old 286? If so boot it up and hook it to a current computer via serial port and transfer the data that way. Otherwise you'll need to find out what type of drive it is (most likely MFM or RLL) and rig a controller up for that which won't be easy. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Chris G. wrote: > i am trying to get information off of an old hard drive out of a 286 > computer. it is a few megabytes big. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090828/0dc954f5/attachment.htm From jucziz6 at gmail.com Fri Aug 28 09:57:34 2009 From: jucziz6 at gmail.com (James) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:57:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] forensics In-Reply-To: <1fef78e80908280736v18bdfea3ta94151fc3d531dc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c055dc50908230952y2d9f7e9cw2519d616f3856488@mail.gmail.com> <1fef78e80908280736v18bdfea3ta94151fc3d531dc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81675d140908280757l4f956556r2b8e2bd5db76608c@mail.gmail.com> I have a 386 and possibly a MFM controller somewhere. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > Do you still have the old 286? If so boot it up and hook it to a current > computer via serial port and transfer the data that way. Otherwise you'll > need to find out what type of drive it is (most likely MFM or RLL) and rig a > controller up for that which won't be easy. > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Chris G. wrote: >> >> i am trying to get information off of an old hard drive out of a 286 >> computer.? it is a few megabytes big. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: supernatural evolution of computing. Following the cloud is as important to Ebenezer Enterprises' success as it was to Moses and the Israelites -- http://webEbenezer.net/comparison.html. Those companies, including Microsoft, that thought they could ignore the cloud are now being punished by the market for not paying attention. Other, better companies will gladly take the place of the lame companies out there today. Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises www.webEbenezer.net When the cloud lifted from above the Tabernacle, the children of Israel would depart on their journeys. But if the cloud did not lift up, they would not depart until it lifted up. Exodus 40: 36 and 37 --=_55ad256b20cc3de65b3f1f4639c221bc-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: console 1 (/dev/tty1) of the ssh server so that the output of startx and X gets written to virtual console 1 and I can then exit out of the shell that issued the command. From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: console 1 (/dev/tty1) of the ssh server so that the output of startx and X gets written to virtual console 1 and I can then exit out of the shell that issued the command.


I&#= 39;m not sure it's possible for you to do what you're wanting to do= , in part because that would potentially be a huge security hole.=A0 The ab= ility to emit commands to another tty and the them run using someone else&#= 39;s credentials - bad.=A0 Or is that what you're trying to accomplish = indirectly?=A0 If so - you should use 'sudo' (or su) to run command= s under other credentials, and if you REALLY want your output to land on th= at console, then redirect stdout.=A0

-Rob

--000e0cd7556e5bdd210476ebcaff-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: offering, just make sure you get the Open File add-on for the backup server. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Here's a script to get most of the isos via the bittorrent client rtorrent: tors=" http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-alternate-i386.iso.torrent http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-server-amd64.iso.torrent http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-server-i386.iso.torrent " wget $tors rtorrent *.torrent Place in a screen session, disconnect, and wait. Regards, - Robert Presumably you would do this from a directory that contained no .torrent files when you started. Also, you should delete the lines that correspond to files that you don't want. Mike From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: option to Xen. It offers slightly better guest performance, is built right into the mainline Linux kernel tree, I know it allows resource overcommitting and has GUI management tools (I believe Xen can also do overcommitting, but I'm not as sure), and it appears to be what major distributions are more interested in officially supported going forward. Tony Yarusso http://tonyyarusso.com/ From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: your e-mail wherever using a MUA, and be able to access e-mail via a web based implementation. This by itself is fairly easy setup of Postfix (MTA) -> Courier IMAP(S) -> Web based MUA (Roundcube). (I know others may like other MTA's and IMAP servers).

I have wanted to give Horde Groupware a go (http://www.horde.org/webmail/) but I haven't gotten around to it. I have never used Zimbra before so I cant really say whether or not that it the way to go.

I'm fairly scared of Google so unfortunately I usually dot recommend them (IMO). 
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Hello.
 
I have a HP LaserJet attached to my Fedora = server with=20 typical parallel/Centronix interface. Users of the Linux box have = no=20 trouble printing to it (Web browsers, Emacs, a2ps, etc.). This Fedora 12 = Box is=20 a Samba server to my network. My problem with Samba is that shares work = fine=20 except for printer shares.  I can browse directory shares with ease = from a=20 Windows (Vista) machine.
 
From windows explorer, I can see the printers = configured=20 on the Fedora Box, but all attempts to connect give me a permissions=20 error.
 
I am now trying samba-swat, with its copious = help text,=20 but so far no luck on the printer.
 
I could go into more details, but this is a = pretty=20 vanilla set up, and I hoped maybe someone else has already navigated = around this=20 problem.
 
Please respond here or to:
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------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CAA51D.437F6EE0-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: back in 2005 after the mailing list behavior changed - it USED to have the mailing list's address as the reply-to, but no longer does. There are no conclusions other than A) Bob did it, and B) It's annoying. Now, again, I have a role in alpine to handle this. However, I occasionally use email from my cellphone, or my web interface, or whatever. Not all of these have the capabilities. Plus we're geared towards occasionally helping people, and occasionally these people are newbies. No problem, but quite often I get replies to my reply that come directly to ME rather than to the list. I think it'd be helpful for a lot of new users that our list had standard mailing list behavior. -Yaron -- This message was spell-checked for your protection. From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: http://mortalpowers.com/tags/browsers ...and then I followed the instructions "How to install Chromium on Ubuntu" and this is what happened: ---------begin output on next line------------------------- $ sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 4E5E17B5 [sudo] password for mbmiller: Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 4E5E17B5 gpg: requesting key 4E5E17B5 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com gpg: key 4E5E17B5: public key "Launchpad PPA for chromium-daily" imported gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: imported: 1 (RSA: 1) $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:chromium-daily Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv FBEF0D696DE1C72BA5A835FE5A9BF3BB4E5E17B5 gpg: requesting key 4E5E17B5 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com gpg: key 4E5E17B5: "Launchpad PPA for chromium-daily" not changed gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: unchanged: 1 $ sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install chromium-browser chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-nonfree E: The update command takes no arguments ---------end output on previous line----------------------- I am running Karmic (9.10), so I thought it would work but it looks like the key is the issue. I don't know anything about these keys. Was I supposed to create my own key and not use the one given on the web page? If so, how do I do that? Thanks in advance. Mike From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: --=20 Kathryn http://womensfooty.com National Team Donation - http://womensfooty.com/freedom/donate From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: "All we need from you is the laptop hash code generated after 3 wrong password attempts: " I dont remember seeing one, but a nice hint!! for future ref someone linked me with Quick Google search found a couple solutions for the BIOS password: http://www.fixya.com/support/t3697651-forgotten_bios_password_hp_elitebook Which also leads me to this site: http://www.plasma-online.de/index.html?content=http%3A//www.plasma-online.de/english/help/solutions/bios_password_hp.html Which leads to this site: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/CmosPwd > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:06:58 -0500 > From: James > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Wireless N card issues > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Most newer laptops store the BIOS password in eeprom, this memory > stays even when the battery is removed. The only option for getting > into the BIOS is send the unit back to the manufacture or pay a > company to have the password cracked. > > The following company does this type of work for a fee. > www.laptoprebirth.com.. > > > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Matthew F. Unger > wrote: > > BIOS is password locked. > > > > I did a double-check and it doesn?t look like there?s isn?t a jumper on > the > > MOBO to reset the password. Shenanigans are hereby officially called on > HP > > for having to call into tech support with proof of ownership. > > > > I?m going to go out on a limb and say that there?s something in the BIOS > > that is locking the wireless card out. Sorry, that?s all I got. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of G J > > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:34 PM > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Wireless N card issues > > > > > > > > Did you check the bios for a switch? i've seen wifi enable/disable in > bios > > before. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:22:54 -0500 > > From: james007wjs at gmail.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: [tclug-list] Wireless N card issues > > > > I aquired an hp elitebook 6930p with a intel 5300 wireless card. Pulled > the > > cmos battery to attempt to reset the bios password, but its written to > the > > bios. I had put windows 7 on there and it asked me for my wireless pass > > during install. Installed updates and rebooted and now wifi is broken. > Says > > its turned off, in both win7 and linux. The little wifi touch button > doesnt > > change colors, but the other media buttons work for the most part. Thats > > about the only place i see to turn the wifi on and off. I tried messy > with > > the settings and still no wifi. Tried installing both windows 7 and 9.10 > > again, still broken. I did put an older intel 5100 in there and it said > it > > wasnt compatible. I even tried moving the card to the other mini pci > slot, > > no joy doesnt seem to recongize that extra slot. I might try and put the > > 5300 in my asus laptop with a live cd and see if the card is dead. Im > sorta > > stuck on where to go from here > > > > ________________________________ > > > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > > Get started. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 2 > ***************************************** > --0016364ecbe29392590485f43335 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the only switch i can see is the touch wifi button and thats the only one t= hat does=20 blink when i touch it. The speakers and other media buttons blink.

= I=20 could try and check the wiring on the wifi button.=A0 I took a quick look a= t the bios flasher from hp under immunity debugger to see how/where it veri= fied the pass. It would be nice if i could just forcefully overwrite the bi= os with rouge data and without verifying the pass. Ive got a little bit of = assembly knowledge but Im ready to conquer this laptop. If I break it ill j= ust salvage the workable parts

Had tried cmospwd, didnt seem like it worked just gave me some random u= nicode dump. I will post the data output later tonight

From laptopre= birth
"All we need from you is the laptop hash code generated after= 3 wrong=20 password attempts: "
I dont remember seeing one, but a nice hint!!<= br>
for future ref someone linked me with

Quick Google search fou= nd a couple solutions for the BIOS password:

http://www.fixya.com/support/t3697651-forgott= en_bios_password_hp_elitebook

Which also leads me to this site:
http://www.plasma-online.de/index.html?content=3Dhttp%3A//www.plasma-on= line.de/english/help/solutions/bios_password_hp.html

Which leads to this site:
http:/= /www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/CmosPwd

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:06:58 -0500
From: James <jucziz6 at gmail.com&= gt;
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Wireless N card issues
To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug= -list at mn-linux.org>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dwindows-1252

Most newer laptops store the BIOS password in eeprom, this memory
stays even when the battery is removed. The only option for getting
into the BIOS is send the unit back to the manufacture or pay a
company to have the password cracked.

The following company does this type of work for a fee. www.laptoprebirth.com..



On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Matthew F. Unger <mfunger at arbita.net> wrote:
> BIOS is password locked.
>
> I did a double-check and it doesn?t look like there?s isn?t a jumper o= n the
> MOBO to reset the password. Shenanigans are hereby officially called o= n HP
> for having to call into tech support with proof of ownership.
>
> I?m going to go out on a limb and say that there?s something in the BI= OS
> that is locking the wireless card out. Sorry, that?s all I got.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> From: tclug-list-bo= unces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-= bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of G J
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:34 PM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org=
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Wireless N card issues
>
>
>
> Did you check the bios for a switch? i've seen wifi enable/disable= in bios
> before.
>
> ________________________________
>
> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:22:54 -0500
> From: james007wjs at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org=
> Subject: [tclug-list] Wireless N card issues
>
> I aquired an hp elitebook 6930p with a intel 5300 wireless card. Pulle= d the
> cmos battery to attempt to reset the bios password, but its written to= the
> bios. I had put windows 7 on there and it asked me for my wireless pas= s
> during install. Installed updates and rebooted and now wifi is broken.= Says
> its turned off, in both win7 and linux. The little wifi touch button d= oesnt
> change colors, but the other media buttons work for the most part. Tha= ts
> about the only place i see to turn the wifi on and off. I tried messy = with
> the settings and still no wifi. Tried installing both windows 7 and 9.= 10
> again, still broken. I did put an older intel 5100 in there and it sai= d it
> wasnt compatible. I even tried moving the card to the other mini pci s= lot,
> no joy doesnt seem to recongize that extra slot. I might try and put t= he
> 5300 in my asus laptop with a live cd and see if the card is dead. Im = sorta
> stuck on where to go from here
>
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--0016364ecbe29392590485f43335-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: converting the svn repository to git was broken - it was taking
weeks, where a few hours was enough for Hg to convert it.
<= div>
I regularly use git-svn on a repo with >25k commits with no prob= lems.=A0 Never tried SVN/Mercurial though.
--0016e65ae224228cb9048acc8043-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: play-sound-over-the-network/ Jeremy MountainJohnson jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 11:51:17AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > > > i want to watch dvd's on one box and hear the sound out the soundcard= on > > > another. =C2=A0shouldn't that be simple? > > > > To me that sounds very difficult and I'm not sure why it seems simple. > > How does a player redirect sound to another machine and maintain near > > perfect synchronization with the video? > > How does the player send the video to the video card and the sound to > the sound card and makes sure both reach our senses nearly > simultaneously? > > What difference does it make if they are on the same machine or on the > network? > > [Yes, I know the extra latency and the packet loss, but on a local > network they should not pose much of a problem.] > > Cheers, > florin > > -- > Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: what was on the screen before it takes over, then it won't know what to put back. I think programs that use ncurses and initialize the screen properly automatically do this. It's been awhile since I messed around with curses and text user interfaces... I have memories of sometimes wanting to "disable" that auto-screen-redraw when quitting an app because I wanted to then use the output for something else. I used to achieve this by changing the terminal emulation from xterm to vt100... But that's not what you're trying to do. -Rob --0016e6d96d9817154a04929923b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Mike Mi= ller <mbmill= er+l at gmail.com> wrote:
It seems that with my terminal settings, I can pipe anything to "less&= quot; and
then kill "less" and return to my command prompt without disturbi= ng
anything. =C2=A0Most programs that fill the terminal window also work this = way
-- when they exit, they remove themselves from the screen and show the
screen as it was when they started.


This is al= most certainly an application issue.=C2=A0 It /might/ be a terminal emulati= on issue.=C2=A0

From the application side, if top does not take car= e to save a snapshot of what was on the screen before it takes over, then i= t won't know what to put back.=C2=A0 I think programs that use ncurses = and initialize the screen properly automatically do this.=C2=A0 It's be= en awhile since I messed around with curses and text user interfaces... =C2= =A0

I have memories of sometimes wanting to "disable" that auto-s= creen-redraw when quitting an app because I wanted to then use the output f= or something else.=C2=A0 I used to achieve this by changing the terminal em= ulation from xterm to vt100... But that's not what you're trying to= do.

-Rob



--0016e6d96d9817154a04929923b5-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: accepting your mail on port 25. =20 If so, that may eventually stop working at which point you'll need to switch to port 587. In early 2009, there was discussion on this list about Comcast blocking port 25. =20 http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2009-February/thread.h tml =20 I was unaffected at the time, but in February of 2010, Comcast stopped accepting my port 25 connections. =20 $ telnet smtp.comcast.net 25 Trying 76.96.30.117... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out I called Comcast and they said "that's right, use port 587." =20 I can telnet to port 587, but actual use requires authentication with my Comcast credentials. =20 I've reconfigure postfix for port 587 per=20 http://www.kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/2008-February/032558.html=20 and setup SMTP Authentication per=20 http://www.freelock.com/kb/postfix-relayhost=20 but I'm stuck on the last step: # urpmi --media main libsasl2-plug-login libsasl2-plug-plain bash: urpmi: command not found Tony Yarusso gave me=20 > apt-get install libsasl2-modules (That package will provide both LOGIN and PLAIN.) The install worked, but didn't provide the=20 urpmi command on Debian with postfix 2.3.8. I've since moved to Ubuntu where apt-get says libsasl2-modules is already the newest version. If anyone can help, I would be glad to document the solution. I'm running postfix 2.7.0 and can live with out-going mail only. =20 From bogus@does.not.exist.com Fri Aug 7 10:09:13 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:13 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: arget=3D"_blank">smtp.comcast.net is still
accepting your mail on port 25.
If so, that may eventually stop working at which point you'll need to switch to port 587.

In early 2009, there was discussion on this list about Comcast blocking
port 25.
http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tc= lug-list/2009-February/thread.h
tml

I was unaffected at the time, but in February of 2010, =C2=A0Comcast stoppe= d
accepting my port 25 connections.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0$ telnet smtp.comcast.net 25
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Trying 76.96.30.117...
=C2=A0 =C2=A0telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed ou= t

I called Comcast and they said "that's right, use port 587."<= br> I can telnet to port 587, but actual use requires authentication with my Comcast credentials.

I've reconfigure postfix for port 587 per
http://www.kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/2008-February/032558= .html

and setup SMTP Authentication per
= http://www.freelock.com/kb/postfix-relayhost
but I'm stuck on the last step:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 # urpmi --media main libsasl2-plug-login libsasl2-plug-plain=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0bash: urpmi: command not found


Tony Yarusso gave me

> apt-get install libsasl2-modules =C2=A0 (That package will provide bot= h
LOGIN and PLAIN.)

The install worked, but didn't provide the
urpmi command on Debian with postfix 2.3.8.

I've since moved to Ubuntu where apt-get says
libsasl2-modules is already the newest version.

If anyone can help, I would be glad to document the solution.
I'm running postfix 2.7.0 and can live with out-going mail only.



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