If anyone out there can tell me how to install this new OS I would appreciate it. I put it in my drive and it did a bunch of scrolling in the verbose mode I guess and Came to a "root" command.....uh, then what? I wish Linux was easier to install and use - it's really frustrating when a regular guy can't figure something out and then ya have to send a bunch of emails & hope someone will help you out. Anyone? DJ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:00 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 45, Issue 25 Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT: Health insurance (Curtis Griesel) 2. Re: Server config management question (Sunny) 3. Re: OT: Health insurance (Mike Miller) 4. Re: OT: Health insurance (Shawn Fertch) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:01:03 -0500 From: "Curtis Griesel" <cwgriesel at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Health insurance To: "TCLUG Mailing List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <7f246bf00809191201u69cb36d3g2497727d8e2eb3a4 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" But auto insurance is heavily regulated by individual states, yet it is very easy to shop around and buy auto insurance from companies nationwide on the internet. There may be many reasons to end state regulation of health insurance, but making it easy to shop for health insurance is not one of the reasons. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Dan Rue <drue at therub.org> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 04:08:12PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > > That could change if McCain becomes President: > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16herbert.html > > > > I suppose the change would be good for someone, but I have the > > impression that most people don't want to pay tax on their health benefit. > > Egads, politics on tclug.. I'm not going to get sucked in, but just > to clarify, from the link: > > While there might be less money in the paycheck, that would not be > anything to worry about, according to Senator McCain. That's because > the government would be offering all taxpayers a refundable tax > credit - $2,500 for a single worker and $5,000 per family - to be > used "to help pay for your health care." > > So, i'm not an apologist, but to clarify the strategy here, as I > understand it. The idea is to move the burden of health insurance > from an employer sponsored benefit to an individual family decision. > The theory is that this will give employees more freedom to move > around since they benefits aren't as important, and it will reduce a > lot of employer overhead in terms of providing such benefits (esp for > small business). > > Consider how auto insurance works. Individuals can shop around and > the policy that best fits their needs and budget, and they're not > limited to what their employer offers. > > More from the article: > > Yet another radical element of McCain's plan is his proposal to > undermine state health insurance regulations by allowing consumers to > buy insurance from sellers anywhere in the country. So a requirement > in one state that insurers cover, for example, vaccinations, or > annual physicals, or breast examinations, would essentially be meaningless. > > So the author is showing his bias here. Currently, each state has its > own set of rules for who can sell insurance and what it has to provide. > Insurance companies have to invest considerable resources for each > state their in in order to meet all of the individual rules and regulations. > > Again, like car insurance, the idea is to make health insurance more > simple by removing the individual state regulations and allowing > individual families to comparison shop for insurance nationally. > > Agree or disagree, it's thought provoking and worth debate (something > lacking in the current political scene). > > Dan (I won't be following up, as we've veered way off topic) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080919/a99d32 91/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:57:22 -0500 From: Sunny <sloncho at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Server config management question To: "TCLUG List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <e7eeb230809191357x5e868b88re8f74418ad0c3836 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Jeff Nelson <stutterstutt at comcast.net> wrote: > Jon Schewe wrote: >> You've still missed the problem. The problem is if someone changes >> the server without putting the files in subversion. > > Not all problems can be solved with technology. I'll bet if someone > forgets to put the changes in subversion and loses them, he will have > a painful reminder not to do that again. He will either learn or he won't. > If he doesn't you have choices. > > However, that being said, there is a way to do what you want. > > On each server, run a script to compare the files on the server with > the files in subversion. If there is a difference, yell, scream, whatever. > Email the entire group with the notice that someone goofed, complete > with full details. (Peer pressure can be useful.) > > You can schedule this script to run whenever you want, depending on > how long you are willing to risk non-detection. > > An optimization comes to mind: find only those server files that have > been changed since the last script run and just compare those. > > I'll bet you could even figure out how to kick off this script as a > pre-commit action so each time someone tries to commit a change, your > script automatically runs. The commit is aborted if *any* file on > *any* server is different. Now the person who wants to commit will > have to stop and figure out what happened and why. (More peer pressure > can be brought to bear.) > Or, skip the post-commit step, and instead of running rsync, run scheduled jobs on each server to check the svn log, see the latest update, compare with the current date/time of the file on the server, and if the server's version of the file is newer than the svn version, do not update, but ring a bell. Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:22:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Health insurance To: Dan Rue <drue at therub.org> Cc: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0809191613200.19765 at taxa.epi.umn.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Dan Rue wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 04:08:12PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: >> That could change if McCain becomes President: >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16herbert.html >> >> I suppose the change would be good for someone, but I have the >> impression that most people don't want to pay tax on their health benefit. > > Egads, politics on tclug.. I'm not going to get sucked in, but just > to clarify, from the link: > > While there might be less money in the paycheck, that would not be > anything to worry about, according to Senator McCain. That's > because the government would be offering all taxpayers a refundable > tax credit - $2,500 for a single worker and $5,000 per family - to > be used "to help pay for your health care." > > So, i'm not an apologist, but to clarify the strategy here, as I > understand it. The idea is to move the burden of health insurance > from an employer sponsored benefit to an individual family decision. > The theory is that this will give employees more freedom to move > around since they benefits aren't as important, and it will reduce a > lot of employer overhead in terms of providing such benefits (esp for > small business). Yes, you quoted the article accurately. The topic on this thread was how to get health insurance at a group rate without being a member of a group. It sounds like the McCain plan would make it easier for people to choose to disaffiliate from the group, but how would the system deal with all these free agents? If unaffiliated people pay more for insurance, why would people want to disaffiliate from their group? Don't employers get a group rate because they agree that every employee will be insured? If so, won't the McCain plan undermine group insurance? That's one thing I don't understand about the proposed plan -- how individuals can negotiate good rates when successful negotiation has historically required a group (e.g., of employees) working together. By the way, I only care about the facts and will not stoop to advocating for one candidate or another on this list. If the McCain plan is great for most people, fine, if it sucks for most people, fine. I'm only on this topic because it sounds like the plan will have a major effect on individuals seeking health insurance. Mike ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:32:02 -0500 From: "Shawn Fertch" <sfertch at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Health insurance To: "TCLUG Mailing List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <67f3084a0809191732r3e796582j709ee7996e92c078 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>wrote: > > Don't employers get a group rate because they agree that every > employee will be insured? If so, won't the McCain plan undermine group insurance? > Yes it will. But, by the same token, companies are starting to change their insurance policies from traditional group plans to HSA plans. This removes a high overhead on their part. I know of at least one major company here in the Twin Cities to have done it. Others are proposing it now and implementing it in the next year. While it gives freedom to the people on what company they can wish to go with, it has a much deeper impact than just lower rates. Many people are ineligible for individual insurance through private carriers due to pre-existing conditions. Their options are to either go through a group plan such as through a large company (themselves, or their spouse). Or, sign up with a state sanctioned health plan such as MCHA (Minnesota Comprehensive Health Association http://www.mchamn.com ) which offers lesser insurance at a greater price. The benefit is that you can not, or at least aren't supposed to be, denied coverage when all other options are exhausted with private companies. -- -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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