From tclug at lizakowski.com Tue Jan 1 13:02:26 2008 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:02:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running without video In-Reply-To: <20071228212350.3x40iw3iso88g084@mail.dalan.us> References: <47759525.4070108@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20071228212350.3x40iw3iso88g084@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: <200801011302.26537.tclug@lizakowski.com> How can I run a box without a video card? My video card fan fried yesterday. The card still works, but something makes bad smells when it runs (I think it's the fan). I'd buy a new card, but the stores are closed today. I might try to salvage or improvise a fan from my pile of parts, but I was hoping I could just run the box headless. I tried booting without the card, but I can't ping the box. There weren't any beep codes. The HD light flashed a number of times, but not enough to indicate a full boot. I can powerdown with a quick press of the soft power button, so I'm guessing it's either a bios prompt or something early in the boot process. The mobo is a gigabyte ds3r for core2-quad, and doesn't have onboard video. What would be stopping the box from coming up? Is it a bios prompt, or is Linux expecting something? Jeremy From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Jan 1 13:59:02 2008 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:59:02 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running without video In-Reply-To: <200801011302.26537.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <47759525.4070108@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20071228212350.3x40iw3iso88g084@mail.dalan.us> <200801011302.26537.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <477A9B86.7000104@mtu.net> Did the hard drive run long enough for linux to start? If you've got a graphical login going, then you might have a problem there. Otherwise you should be ok. One other thing, are you sure the speaker is hooked up? I've had that happen before and not noticed the bios beeps. It's also possible the bios is picky and won't boot without a video card. Jeremy wrote: > How can I run a box without a video card? My video card fan fried yesterday. > The card still works, but something makes bad smells when it runs (I think > it's the fan). > > I'd buy a new card, but the stores are closed today. I might try to salvage > or improvise a fan from my pile of parts, but I was hoping I could just run > the box headless. > > I tried booting without the card, but I can't ping the box. There weren't any > beep codes. The HD light flashed a number of times, but not enough to > indicate a full boot. I can powerdown with a quick press of the soft power > button, so I'm guessing it's either a bios prompt or something early in the > boot process. The mobo is a gigabyte ds3r for core2-quad, and doesn't have > onboard video. > > What would be stopping the box from coming up? Is it a bios prompt, or is > Linux expecting something? > > Jeremy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 14:30:14 2008 From: benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com (Benjamin Gramlich) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:30:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running without video In-Reply-To: <200801011302.26537.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <47759525.4070108@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20071228212350.3x40iw3iso88g084@mail.dalan.us> <200801011302.26537.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <1199219414.9511.0.camel@inspiron> A lot of desktop bios chips check for video memory/settings during the power on self test (POST). It might be that your system just won't boot without a video card. See http://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm#04 Ciao, benjamin On Tue, 2008-01-01 at 13:02 -0600, Jeremy wrote: > How can I run a box without a video card? My video card fan fried yesterday. > The card still works, but something makes bad smells when it runs (I think > it's the fan). > > I'd buy a new card, but the stores are closed today. I might try to salvage > or improvise a fan from my pile of parts, but I was hoping I could just run > the box headless. > > I tried booting without the card, but I can't ping the box. There weren't any > beep codes. The HD light flashed a number of times, but not enough to > indicate a full boot. I can powerdown with a quick press of the soft power > button, so I'm guessing it's either a bios prompt or something early in the > boot process. The mobo is a gigabyte ds3r for core2-quad, and doesn't have > onboard video. > > What would be stopping the box from coming up? Is it a bios prompt, or is > Linux expecting something? > > Jeremy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at lizakowski.com Tue Jan 1 15:18:59 2008 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:18:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running without video In-Reply-To: <200801011302.26537.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <47759525.4070108@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20071228212350.3x40iw3iso88g084@mail.dalan.us> <200801011302.26537.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <200801011518.59823.tclug@lizakowski.com> I dug around and found an old Diamond Stealth 64 (circa 2001). It booted just fine. X won't run, but I don't really need it on that machine. I'm still curious what hung up. Since there were no beep codes, and the hard drive showed a little bit of activity, I'm tempted to think it wasn't bios. Jeremy On Tuesday 01 January 2008 1:02:26 pm Jeremy wrote: > How can I run a box without a video card? My video card fan fried > yesterday. The card still works, but something makes bad smells when it > runs (I think it's the fan). > > I'd buy a new card, but the stores are closed today. I might try to > salvage or improvise a fan from my pile of parts, but I was hoping I could > just run the box headless. > > I tried booting without the card, but I can't ping the box. There weren't > any beep codes. The HD light flashed a number of times, but not enough to > indicate a full boot. I can powerdown with a quick press of the soft power > button, so I'm guessing it's either a bios prompt or something early in the > boot process. The mobo is a gigabyte ds3r for core2-quad, and doesn't have > onboard video. > > What would be stopping the box from coming up? Is it a bios prompt, or is > Linux expecting something? > > Jeremy > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trnja001 at umn.edu Tue Jan 1 15:22:29 2008 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:22:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running without video In-Reply-To: <200801011518.59823.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <47759525.4070108@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20071228212350.3x40iw3iso88g084@mail.dalan.us> <200801011302.26537.tclug@lizakowski.com> <200801011518.59823.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <477AAF15.9010302@umn.edu> Your BIOS is probably set to halt on certain errors, such as no keyboard which would also include no video card. The new ones will have a feature that will not make it stop at any error. Look around the BIOS settings for it. Jeremy wrote: > I dug around and found an old Diamond Stealth 64 (circa 2001). It booted just > fine. X won't run, but I don't really need it on that machine. > > I'm still curious what hung up. Since there were no beep codes, and the hard > drive showed a little bit of activity, I'm tempted to think it wasn't bios. > > Jeremy > > On Tuesday 01 January 2008 1:02:26 pm Jeremy wrote: > >> How can I run a box without a video card? My video card fan fried >> yesterday. The card still works, but something makes bad smells when it >> runs (I think it's the fan). >> >> I'd buy a new card, but the stores are closed today. I might try to >> salvage or improvise a fan from my pile of parts, but I was hoping I could >> just run the box headless. >> >> I tried booting without the card, but I can't ping the box. There weren't >> any beep codes. The HD light flashed a number of times, but not enough to >> indicate a full boot. I can powerdown with a quick press of the soft power >> button, so I'm guessing it's either a bios prompt or something early in the >> boot process. The mobo is a gigabyte ds3r for core2-quad, and doesn't have >> onboard video. >> >> What would be stopping the box from coming up? Is it a bios prompt, or is >> Linux expecting something? >> >> Jeremy >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kjh at flyballdogs.com Tue Jan 1 15:39:56 2008 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:39:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Running without video In-Reply-To: <477AAF15.9010302@umn.edu> References: <47759525.4070108@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20071228212350.3x40iw3iso88g084@mail.dalan.us> <200801011302.26537.tclug@lizakowski.com> <200801011518.59823.tclug@lizakowski.com> <477AAF15.9010302@umn.edu> Message-ID: <28148.192.168.0.7.1199223596.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > Your BIOS is probably set to halt on certain errors, such as no keyboard > which would also include no video card. The new ones will have a feature > that will not make it stop at any error. Look around the BIOS settings > for it. I'm kinda curious how you would do that without a functioning video card? -- Kathryn http://womensfooty.com From trnja001 at umn.edu Tue Jan 1 15:47:12 2008 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:47:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running without video In-Reply-To: <28148.192.168.0.7.1199223596.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> References: <47759525.4070108@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20071228212350.3x40iw3iso88g084@mail.dalan.us> <200801011302.26537.tclug@lizakowski.com> <200801011518.59823.tclug@lizakowski.com> <477AAF15.9010302@umn.edu> <28148.192.168.0.7.1199223596.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> Message-ID: <477AB4E0.4050306@umn.edu> Kathryn Hogg wrote: > Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > >> Your BIOS is probably set to halt on certain errors, such as no keyboard >> which would also include no video card. The new ones will have a feature >> that will not make it stop at any error. Look around the BIOS settings >> for it. >> > > I'm kinda curious how you would do that without a functioning video card? > > You couldn't but he has said that he found another video card that works. From nassarmu at beitsahour.net Wed Jan 2 14:34:19 2008 From: nassarmu at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:34:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Security concerns for local traffic In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80712300012g5e668585o60c37473d6f6158@mail.gmail.com> References: <741dcbb80712300012g5e668585o60c37473d6f6158@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477BF54B.4060305@beitsahour.net> Brock Noland wrote: > Greetings, > > Many people are using pound ( http://www.apsis.ch/pound/ ) to proxy > traffic from port 443 to another port using the local interface. > > > i've used pound to greatly expand the capacity of single threaded java webserver on a 8core system. very slick. unwrapping the ssl traffic to pass onto non-ssled webservers does slightly increase your exposure. If at some point a root exploit or privilege escalation was discovered in your system it would make it easier for an attacker to sniff the traffic. (ok, so i have never actually tried to sniff on lo, but i imagine it would work) yep, i just tried and i was able to capture my local nfs traffic. It really does depend on how much you trust the local machine, for a secure webserver there should not be such a thing a local user other than the one you use to admin the server, there also should be a strong firewall protecting you both ways limiting access. From tclug at beitsahour.net Wed Jan 2 14:44:01 2008 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:44:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Old Machine Running Modern Distro In-Reply-To: <476FBABA.9050203@twp-llc.com> References: <476FBABA.9050203@twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <477BF791.3010006@beitsahour.net> Chris Schumann wrote: > I would really appreciate any tips on how to get the rest of the system > working: Function keys, sound, TrackPoint, suspend/resume. > > If anyone is up for porting the WD90C24 video driver to X.org, that > would be most appreciated! :) I might actually be able to help with > that one. > have you tried the VESA driver? From andyzib at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 17:33:22 2008 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:33:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Running without video In-Reply-To: <1199219414.9511.0.camel@inspiron> References: <47759525.4070108@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20071228212350.3x40iw3iso88g084@mail.dalan.us> <200801011302.26537.tclug@lizakowski.com> <1199219414.9511.0.camel@inspiron> Message-ID: On Jan 1, 2008 2:30 PM, Benjamin Gramlich wrote: > A lot of desktop bios chips check for video memory/settings during the > power on self test (POST). It might be that your system just won't boot > without a video card. It depends on the motherboard if you get BIOS error beeps or not. I've run into plenty of motherboards that won't do a thing until a video card is properly seated. Then they'll start with the error beeps if there is a different problem. :) As for the how you would configure it if you don't have a video card, well most server boards have an integrated video card so that's not an option. Those that don't have a serial console or network accessible remote access solution built in. Spend the extra $20 and get a cheap video card in your server. It will save you time and frustration in the long run. :) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From austad at signal15.com Wed Jan 2 23:16:51 2008 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 23:16:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Dreambox or linvdr users? Message-ID: Anyone using these? Looking for a good DVB/FTA solution. The PVR on my Viewsat sucks. Feel free to email me privately. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob 612 850 6940 The complete list of books I have available can be found at: http://b-o-b.homelinux.com/books.html Quickbooks 2003 - The Offical Guide NT workstation 4 - Exam Cram Red Hat 7 - Unleashed - Sams Red Hat Certified Engineer - Third Edition - Exam RM302 Red Hat Linux 7 - Weekend Crash Course Red Hat 7 Bible General Linux I - Exam 101 - Exam Prep Citrix Metafram Administration - Version 1.8 MVS TSO - part 1: concepts and ispf MVS TSO - part 2: commands & procedures MCSE Complete - NT4 MCSE - Windows 2000 Building a network Cold fusion 4.0 - app. development Beginning VB6 MS Site Server 3 - bible MCSE - IIS4 Teach yourself VB6 in 24 hours MS Windows 2000 Pro MS Windows 2000 Pro - lab manual MS Visual InterDev 6.0 programmers guide Hardware Bible - 5th edition Network+ certification - 2nd edition Database Management Systems - 3rd edition Coreldraw 9 for dummies Systems analysis & design - 3rd edition Insight Guides - Spain DB2 for the Cobol Management Information systems - managing the digital firm MS VB6 developers workshop - 5th edition Palm OS programming for dummies Mike Meyers A+ Certification - 4th edition All in one A+ Certification guide Windows 98 Bible A+ certification study guide - 2nd edition Instant ASP Components Java 2 - Black Book O'Reilly - Programming c# C# Programming C++ by example Sams teach yourself e-commerce programming with ASP ASP for dummies Introducing .NET Preview of ASP+ CCNA Exam Cram - Exam 640-507 3rd edition Cisco Systems - Internet Routing Architectures XML programming with VB & ASP From florin at iucha.net Thu Jan 3 11:41:36 2008 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:41:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] reputable seller for ipaq 3600 batteries? Message-ID: <20080103174136.GG14624@iris.iucha.org> Hello, Can anbody recommend a reputable place to buy a replacement battery for a Compaq iPaq 3600 PDA? I STFW and got waay too many hits, and from my past experience with laptop and iPod batteries I know this is quite a shady business. If you bought a replacement battery for ipaq and it held appropriate charge after a few months, please let me know. Thanks, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Right now, X does sometimes start, but the video chip and video memory aren't detected properly and it starts in 320x200x1 bit mode, which isn't very usable. Even VGA with 640x480x4 bits would be much better, and 640x480x8 bits is as good as the machine can do. Would a dump of the X log be helpful? Chris From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 13:36:28 2008 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:36:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] reputable seller for ipaq 3600 batteries? In-Reply-To: <20080103174136.GG14624@iris.iucha.org> References: <20080103174136.GG14624@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: <65293fcc0801031136t75c03689u80106bb3c206dcd9@mail.gmail.com> http://www.batteriesplus.com/products/62-0/6673-PDA-Batteries/307029-Compaq/iPAQ-3600/1.aspx ???? On Jan 3, 2008 11:41 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: > Hello, > > Can anbody recommend a reputable place to buy a replacement battery for > a Compaq iPaq 3600 PDA? I STFW and got waay too many hits, and from my > past experience with laptop and iPod batteries I know this is quite a > shady business. > > If you bought a replacement battery for ipaq and it held appropriate > charge after a few months, please let me know. > > Thanks, > florin > > -- > Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. > http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080103/e3b1e0c2/attachment.htm From austad at signal15.com Fri Jan 4 14:43:11 2008 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:43:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Dreambox or LinVDR users? Message-ID: <99680C5B-94D6-4492-91B0-E5037DF93103@signal15.com> Anyone using these? Looking for a good DVB/FTA solution. The PVR on my Viewsat sucks. Thanks! From bunjee at charter.net Fri Jan 4 18:14:37 2008 From: bunjee at charter.net (Danny) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:14:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installing Programs with Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1199492077.7785.1.camel@patty> Can anyone out there help me install lightscribe . I am still new to Linux and have had a hard time understanding how to install stuff with Ubuntu. On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 12:00 -0600, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Old Machine Running Modern Distro (Chris Schumann) > 2. Re: reputable seller for ipaq 3600 batteries? (John Meier) > 3. Looking for Senior Technical Writer (Wayne Johnson) > 4. OT: looking for server memory (Donovan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:18:38 -0600 (CST) > From: "Chris Schumann" > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Old Machine Running Modern Distro > To: > Message-ID: <48942.192.28.2.17.1199384318.squirrel at alpha.twp-llc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:44:01 -0600 > > From: Munir Nassar > > > Chris Schumann wrote: > >> I would really appreciate any tips on how to get the rest of the > >> system working: Function keys, sound, TrackPoint, suspend/resume. > > > have you tried the VESA driver? > > The machine is not VESA compliant. IBM did make a VESA TSR for DOS so > Windows 95 could use VESA, but that won't work with Linux. > > Right now, X does sometimes start, but the video chip and video memory > aren't detected properly and it starts in 320x200x1 bit mode, which isn't > very usable. Even VGA with 640x480x4 bits would be much better, and > 640x480x8 bits is as good as the machine can do. > > Would a dump of the X log be helpful? > > Chris > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:36:28 -0600 > From: "John Meier" > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] reputable seller for ipaq 3600 batteries? > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: > <65293fcc0801031136t75c03689u80106bb3c206dcd9 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://www.batteriesplus.com/products/62-0/6673-PDA-Batteries/307029-Compaq/iPAQ-3600/1.aspx > ???? > > On Jan 3, 2008 11:41 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Can anbody recommend a reputable place to buy a replacement battery for > > a Compaq iPaq 3600 PDA? I STFW and got waay too many hits, and from my > > past experience with laptop and iPod batteries I know this is quite a > > shady business. > > > > If you bought a replacement battery for ipaq and it held appropriate > > charge after a few months, please let me know. > > > > Thanks, > > florin > > > > -- > > Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. > > http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080103/1d41ced1/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:58:24 -0800 (PST) > From: Wayne Johnson > Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Senior Technical Writer > To: Twin Cities Linux Users Group , > tclug-jobs at mn-linux.org > Message-ID: <616386.93013.qm at web53802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > MQSoftware is looking for a Senior Technical Writer to work here in Minneapolis. Should be fluent in Framework and be able to create HTML help pages. > > > > Contact me for an introduction. > > > --- > Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those > 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," > Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, > (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. 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I'm looking for a matching pair and Nano only has a single stick. > MicroCenter and BestBuy don't really seem to carry anything beyond desktop > memory. > > I have a pair of DDR2-5300 1GB ECC Registered memory if anybody has some > they'd like to trade. > From gabeo at bitstream.net Sat Jan 5 12:25:43 2008 From: gabeo at bitstream.net (Gabe Ormsby) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:25:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Installing Programs with Ubuntu Message-ID: <477FCBA7.9060004@bitstream.net> Danny, Have you looked through the community docs at the Ubuntu web site? I found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LightScribe Those are instructions for Feisty, most likely (given the date), but may well work for Gutsy as well. Apparently the Linux version of LightScribe is available as an RPM package, which is not Ubuntu's normal package format, so a program called Alien is used to convert the RPM into a DEB package, Ubuntu's normal format. The most common way to install programs in Ubuntu is to use Synaptic Package Manager to search the repositories and install. If you would like a quick run through of that, let me know - I'll fire up my 'buntu box and we can chat on the phone or on irc. -Gabe -- Gabe Ormsby home 612/872-7283 work 651/222-2193 mobile 651/216-0055 From dniesen at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 15:53:45 2008 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:53:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support Message-ID: <47f4d5e70801051353kd0c1ed5tf1a0e81c72f70cb5@mail.gmail.com> I've tried digging around a bit and can't seem to find a good ebook reader with PDF support for Linux. I'm just looking for something that might handle bookmarking so I can keep my place when I close my document. Any other booky features would just be a bonus (as would a Debian/Ubuntu repo containing said ebook reader). Does anyone know of any that my Google skills aren't finding? -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080105/f90c0bbe/attachment.htm From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Jan 5 20:20:13 2008 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:20:13 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] apache2 slow on debian etch Message-ID: <47803ADD.4090407@mtu.net> I'm trying to upgrade my webserver from apache 1.3 to apache 2.2. It's running Debian etch and requires php (4 or 5). I see that since I need php I need to run the prefork, which should be fine as that's what I run on my opensuse systems. So I added the apache2 packages along with the php5 modules for apache2 and checked that everything worked on port 81. Then I shutdown apache 1.3 and restart apache2 on port 80. My load average went through the roof. It seems that apache2 was always busy doing something so it forked off as many processes as I would allow it and never went down for 3 days. I switched back to apache 1.3 and my load average immediately dropped. I checked the modules and it appears that I'm running all the equivalent modules. Does anyone have any ideas what would cause apache2 to serve up pages so slow? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jimdscott at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 09:40:03 2008 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (Jim Scott) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 09:40:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora 8 spontaneous reboot Message-ID: My Fedora 8 system (x86_64, kernel 2.6.23.9-85) started to spontaneously reboot this week. From what I've read, it's most likely a motherboard or power supply failure. Is there anything I can do with Fedora to help troubleshoot this? /var/log/messages doesn't seem to tell me anything useful. The last reboot came around 9:20. Jan 6 08:50:44 MainPC yum: Updated: mythtv-setup - 0.20.2-170.fc8.x86_64 Jan 6 08:55:37 MainPC ntpd[2154]: synchronized to 216.14.98.234, stratum 2 Jan 6 09:20:23 MainPC rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion=" 1.19.11" x-pid="2015"][x-configInfo udpReception="No" udpPort="514" tcpReception="No" tcpPort="0"] restart Jan 6 09:20:23 MainPC kernel: rklogd 1.19.11, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Is there anything I can do to enable more logging of this issue? Here's my rsyslog.conf: # Log all kernel messages to the console. # Logging much else clutters up the screen. #kern.* /dev/console # Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher. # Don't log private authentication messages! *.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none /var/log/messages # The authpriv file has restricted access. authpriv.* /var/log/secure # Log all the mail messages in one place. mail.* -/var/log/maillog # Log cron stuff cron.* /var/log/cron # Everybody gets emergency messages *.emerg * # Save news errors of level crit and higher in a special file. uucp,news.crit /var/log/spooler # Save boot messages also to boot.log local7.* /var/log/boot.log -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080106/befb6406/attachment.htm From tclug at lizakowski.com Sun Jan 6 11:59:46 2008 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:59:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora 8 spontaneous reboot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801061159.46701.tclug@lizakowski.com> You might be able to look at lmsensors (if supported by your hardware) to check for temperatures. Also SMART tools can report on drive health. If possible, remove as much hardware as possible, and see if it still reboots. Maybe even swap out some hardware with another PC to identify the component(s) causing the issue. Jeremy On Sunday 06 January 2008 9:40:03 am Jim Scott wrote: > My Fedora 8 system (x86_64, kernel 2.6.23.9-85) started to spontaneously > reboot this week. From what I've read, it's most likely a motherboard or > power supply failure. Is there anything I can do with Fedora to help > troubleshoot this? > > /var/log/messages doesn't seem to tell me anything useful. The last reboot > came around 9:20. > > Jan 6 08:50:44 MainPC yum: Updated: mythtv-setup - 0.20.2-170.fc8.x86_64 > Jan 6 08:55:37 MainPC ntpd[2154]: synchronized to 216.14.98.234, stratum 2 > Jan 6 09:20:23 MainPC rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion=" > 1.19.11" x-pid="2015"][x-configInfo udpReception="No" udpPort="514" > tcpReception="No" tcpPort="0"] restart > Jan 6 09:20:23 MainPC kernel: rklogd 1.19.11, log source = /proc/kmsg > started. > > Is there anything I can do to enable more logging of this issue? Here's my > rsyslog.conf: > > # Log all kernel messages to the console. > # Logging much else clutters up the screen. > #kern.* /dev/console > > # Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher. > # Don't log private authentication messages! > *.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none /var/log/messages > > # The authpriv file has restricted access. > authpriv.* /var/log/secure > > # Log all the mail messages in one place. > mail.* -/var/log/maillog > > > # Log cron stuff > cron.* /var/log/cron > > # Everybody gets emergency messages > *.emerg * > > # Save news errors of level crit and higher in a special file. > uucp,news.crit /var/log/spooler > > # Save boot messages also to boot.log > local7.* /var/log/boot.log From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Jan 6 15:00:14 2008 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:00:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora 8 spontaneous reboot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4781415E.6020703@mtu.net> Check /var/log/acpid (or whereever acpid logs for you) and see if you got a power button message about then. I had this problem on a machine at work and I've had to disable the power button in acpi. Jim Scott wrote: > My Fedora 8 system (x86_64, kernel 2.6.23.9-85) started to > spontaneously reboot this week. From what I've read, it's most likely > a motherboard or power supply failure. Is there anything I can do with > Fedora to help troubleshoot this? > > /var/log/messages doesn't seem to tell me anything useful. The last > reboot came around 9:20. > > Jan 6 08:50:44 MainPC yum: Updated: mythtv-setup - 0.20.2-170.fc8.x86_64 > Jan 6 08:55:37 MainPC ntpd[2154]: synchronized to 216.14.98.234 > , stratum 2 > Jan 6 09:20:23 MainPC rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" > swVersion="1.19.11" x-pid="2015"][x-configInfo udpReception="No" > udpPort="514" tcpReception="No" tcpPort="0"] restart > Jan 6 09:20:23 MainPC kernel: rklogd 1.19.11, log source = /proc/kmsg > started. > > Is there anything I can do to enable more logging of this issue? > Here's my rsyslog.conf: > > # Log all kernel messages to the console. > # Logging much else clutters up the screen. > #kern.* /dev/console > > # Log anything (except mail) of level info or higher. > # Don't log private authentication messages! > *.info;mail.none;authpriv.none;cron.none /var/log/messages > > # The authpriv file has restricted access. > authpriv.* /var/log/secure > > # Log all the mail messages in one place. > mail.* -/var/log/maillog > > > # Log cron stuff > cron.* /var/log/cron > > # Everybody gets emergency messages > *.emerg * > > # Save news errors of level crit and higher in a special file. > uucp,news.crit /var/log/spooler > > # Save boot messages also to boot.log > local7.* /var/log/boot.log > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080106/46bee116/attachment.htm From jimdscott at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 18:58:18 2008 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (Jim Scott) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:58:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora 8 spontaneous reboot In-Reply-To: <4781415E.6020703@mtu.net> References: <4781415E.6020703@mtu.net> Message-ID: On Jan 6, 2008 3:00 PM, Jon Schewe wrote: > Check /var/log/acpid (or whereever acpid logs for you) and see if you got > a power button message about then. I had this problem on a machine at work > and I've had to disable the power button in acpi. > > Thanks for the suggestion, Jon. Here's my acpid log for today: [Sat Dec 15 07:59:03 2007] starting up [Sat Dec 15 07:59:03 2007] 1 rule loaded [Sat Dec 15 07:59:21 2007] client connected from 2530[68:68] [Sat Dec 15 07:59:21 2007] 1 client rule loaded [Sat Dec 15 07:59:30 2007] client connected from 2742[0:0] [Sat Dec 15 07:59:30 2007] 1 client rule loaded [Sat Dec 15 07:59:31 2007] client connected from 2742[0:0] [Sat Dec 15 07:59:31 2007] 1 client rule loaded [Sat Dec 15 10:40:55 2007] exiting I don't see anything there since the Dec. 15 entries. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See http://polishlinux.org/apps/pdf-viewers-for-linux-compared/ for a decent review of the options. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net Mon Jan 7 11:26:57 2008 From: andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net (Andrew von Nagy) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:26:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Wireless Security Message-ID: <003501c85152$813f8150$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02> Hey Everyone, If anyone is interested in wireless security, I will be leading a SANS mentor class in the twin cities area this spring. It will be a technical course detailing the risks and vulnerabilities of wireless networks, as well as how to properly secure them. The course includes wireless hardware (Linksys AP, Atheros Cardbus, GPS unit, directional antenna) and multiple hands-on labs using the Backtrack 2 live distro. We'll go through some fun labs including attacks on WEP, LEAP, WPA, hotspots, and clients using various tools such as Kismet, aircrack-ng, asleap, coWPAtty, and AirPWN. It will be a really fun class. Registration and more info can be found on the SANS website, here: http://www.sans.org/mentor/details.php?nid=9576 &portal=9e0dc1cf9ae5c9ae28f5a868ab5c7f06 I am planning on attending the next TCLUG meeting, which will be my first since I am new to the twin cities. Please feel free to contact me at the meeting or via email if you have any questions. Also, please feel free to forward if you know someone who may be interested. Regards, Andrew von Nagy CCSP, GAWN, GCFW, GCIA, CWNA Andrew.vonNagy at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I could call them to see if they support direct OFX connection but the thought of talking to one of their "support techs" and mentioning an acronym like OFX makes me want to take a shot of brandy. Thanks, Josh From anna2edw at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 16:45:25 2008 From: anna2edw at yahoo.com (Anna Edwards) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:45:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: <20080107105234.A4708@belka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <121918.11264.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hmm... *thinks for 2 seconds* have you heard of adobe reader? free (in a sence), avalable via the add remote programs mechanism, and version 8 plays sounds lol not sure v8 is in repos but if not, just google adobe reader 8 click the first link, choose dif os choose debian linux (se, adobes website chooses the option of rpm automatically and that'll screw up your system) run it, if it has license agreement in the dumb terminal, press tab+enter and it will shut up and just show progress in the window Jim Crumley wrote: > On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 03:53:45PM -0600, Donovan wrote: >> I've tried digging around a bit and can't seem to find a good ebook reader >> with PDF support for Linux. I'm just looking for something that might >> handle bookmarking so I can keep my place when I close my document. Any >> other booky features would just be a bonus (as would a Debian/Ubuntu repo >> containing said ebook reader). > Both evince and kpdf (which are in main on Debian) automatically > save your spot when you close the pdfs. See > http://polishlinux.org/apps/pdf-viewers-for-linux-compared/ > for a decent review of the options. > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons | > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From dniesen at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 18:16:36 2008 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:16:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] US Bank and OFX / aqbanking In-Reply-To: <20080107141209.24220264@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20080107141209.24220264@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70801071616v67e07eebv86279ab99bb8ca1b@mail.gmail.com> From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Jan 7 19:10:16 2008 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:10:16 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200801080110.m081AGl24000@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: I need a 10GB Western Digital I am looking for a 10GB Western Digital hard drive model number WD100EB-11BHF0. It needs to be that exact model. This drive is out of a Dell computer but other OEM's may have used it as well Thanks for your help. Jon Dabrowski Seller Email address: jon at sominica dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From jeruvin at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 13:00:44 2008 From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:00:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200801080110.m081AGl24000@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200801080110.m081AGl24000@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0801081100p684eb7aaqd1e3321edf317b44@mail.gmail.com> stumbled on this, not sure if it's what you need. http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/532037153.html jason On Jan 7, 2008 7:10 PM, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: Want to Buy > > Subject: I need a 10GB Western Digital > > I am looking for a 10GB Western Digital hard drive model number > WD100EB-11BHF0. It needs to be that exact model. This drive is out of a Dell > computer but other OEM's may have used it as well > > Thanks for your help. > Jon Dabrowski > > Seller Email address: jon at sominica dot com > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080108/951fbaba/attachment.htm From austad at signal15.com Tue Jan 8 22:07:54 2008 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:07:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] test message to the list Message-ID: Two of my messages didn't make it last week. Just checking out what's going on. -- jay austad | 612.423.1433 | austad at signal15.com From jeruvin at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 22:17:04 2008 From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:17:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] test message to the list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0801082017i4248472ds1081e090c63e044d@mail.gmail.com> received. jason On Jan 8, 2008 10:07 PM, Jay Austad wrote: > Two of my messages didn't make it last week. Just checking out what's > going on. > > -- > jay austad | 612.423.1433 | austad at signal15.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From ecrist at secure-computing.net Wed Jan 9 08:46:08 2008 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:46:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] test message to the list In-Reply-To: <666165.68857.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <666165.68857.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anna, First off, he said TEST, not TEXT. Second, sarcastic messages are not *always* required, and are almost _never_ helpful or appreciated. Eric Crist On Jan 9, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Anna Edwards wrote: > how do you text message the list. 1) get a yahoo acct 2) on your > phone go to yahoo.com 3) log in 4) send the email lol that what you > mean? or do you mean solid sms messages? i use the first idea > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ----- Eric F Crist Secure Computing Networks From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jan 9 11:20:58 2008 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:20:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: <121918.11264.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080107105234.A4708@belka.space.umn.edu> <121918.11264.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080109112057.A23109@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:45:25PM -0800, Anna Edwards wrote: First off, top posting to technical email list is bad. Please stop. See for example: http://catb.org/~esr//jargon/html/T/top-post.html > hmm... *thinks for 2 seconds* have you heard of adobe reader? > free (in a sence), avalable via the add remote programs > mechanism, and version 8 plays sounds lol not sure v8 is in > repos but if not, just google adobe reader 8 click the first > link, choose dif os choose debian linux (se, adobes website > chooses the option of rpm automatically and that'll screw > up your system) run it, if it has license agreement in the dumb > terminal, press tab+enter and it will shut up and just show > progress in the window Adobe reader is bloated and slow. The free software alternatives are smaller, faster, and generally work better. Most important of all, it is a pain to get acroread that saves your place in a file when you close it, while kpdf in particular, offers a very nice bookmarking feature. Jim > Jim Crumley wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 03:53:45PM -0600, Donovan wrote: > >> I've tried digging around a bit and can't seem to find a good ebook reader > >> with PDF support for Linux. I'm just looking for something that might > >> handle bookmarking so I can keep my place when I close my document. Any > >> other booky features would just be a bonus (as would a Debian/Ubuntu repo > >> containing said ebook reader). > > Both evince and kpdf (which are in main on Debian) automatically > > save your spot when you close the pdfs. See > > http://polishlinux.org/apps/pdf-viewers-for-linux-compared/ > > for a decent review of the options. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From trnja001 at umn.edu Wed Jan 9 11:33:14 2008 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:33:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: <20080109112057.A23109@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <20080107105234.A4708@belka.space.umn.edu> <121918.11264.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080109112057.A23109@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <4785055A.80201@umn.edu> But if everyone top posts, this isn't a problem. Rather than going from oldest to newest, why not in reverse? It makes more sense to me if you're following a topic as most do on a technical list. Jim Crumley wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:45:25PM -0800, Anna Edwards wrote: > > First off, top posting to technical email list is bad. Please > stop. See for example: > http://catb.org/~esr//jargon/html/T/top-post.html > From srcfoo at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 12:31:58 2008 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:31:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: <4785055A.80201@umn.edu> References: <20080107105234.A4708@belka.space.umn.edu> <121918.11264.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080109112057.A23109@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <4785055A.80201@umn.edu> Message-ID: <579c6fd30801091031x183a8ba6t3782256f790574f0@mail.gmail.com> On 1/9/08, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > But if everyone top posts, this isn't a problem. Rather than going from > oldest to newest, why not in reverse? It makes more sense to me if > you're following a topic as most do on a technical list. The link posted by Jim clearly states why it's a bad idea to top-post. While it may (emphasis on MAY) make sense chronilogically, it usually makes little sense in context since one may well need to read the entirety of the posts to understand what the post references. This is especially the case when a poster is responding only to a particular section of a previous post. Cheers, Eric From trnja001 at umn.edu Wed Jan 9 12:43:03 2008 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:43:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30801091031x183a8ba6t3782256f790574f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080107105234.A4708@belka.space.umn.edu> <121918.11264.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080109112057.A23109@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <4785055A.80201@umn.edu> <579c6fd30801091031x183a8ba6t3782256f790574f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478515B7.1060600@umn.edu> Eric Peterson wrote: > On 1/9/08, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > >> But if everyone top posts, this isn't a problem. Rather than going from >> oldest to newest, why not in reverse? It makes more sense to me if >> you're following a topic as most do on a technical list. >> > > The link posted by Jim clearly states why it's a bad idea to top-post. > While it may (emphasis on MAY) make sense chronilogically, it usually > makes little sense in context since one may well need to read the > entirety of the posts to understand what the post references. This is > especially the case when a poster is responding only to a particular > section of a previous post. > > Cheers, > Eric > If we assume that the typical poster isn't clueless and know which parts of an original message to cut out or if they're addressing multiple points from an earlier message, they'll format their reply properly, then it would make more sense to top post. Why would you want to scroll all the way to the bottom to get the newest message? It also makes more sense when your (web)mail client has a message preview feature. But if that assumption fails, no amount of suggestions on formatting or style are going to help. From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Jan 9 12:47:12 2008 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:47:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26175.192.28.2.17.1199904432.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> > From: Elvedin Trnjanin > But if everyone top posts, this isn't a problem. Rather than going from > oldest to newest, why not in reverse? It makes more sense to me if > you're following a topic as most do on a technical list. > > Jim Crumley wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:45:25PM -0800, Anna Edwards wrote: >> >> First off, top posting to technical email list is bad. Please >> stop. See for example: >> http://catb.org/~esr//jargon/html/T/top-post.html A technical list is often useful not just to read as it goes, but to search. If you join a topic mid-stream or look it up later, one single post with everything in chronological order is easier to understand. Also, many of us get the digests of lists, and newer content is already at the end, except when people top-post. Chris From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 21:11:26 2008 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:11:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [OFFER] Computer Misc Message-ID: <914f813c0801071911u4eb0c192u49be89bedaf21525@mail.gmail.com> Unless noted, ALL of this worked last time I used any of it, which is awhile ago in some cases. You're picking up each lot. If you want more than one, be my guest! 1. Cell/Audio - includes Rio 500 MP3 Player (64M? ca. 1999ish), lots of various cables, cell phone headsets incl. a jabra bluetooth, chargers, includes one at&t older at&t phone, 3 personal/portable CD players. 2. Phone/Modem - includes two modems and various phone wires 3. Network & misc. - includes HP jetdirect print server, several network cards, an MS USB 802.11b adapter, an MS USB bluetooth adapter (might even still have the mouse around that went with it...), a 16 MB SD card, several PCMCIA NICs & dongles. 4. Video - includes 3 DVD players - 1 doesn't work (Portland) but could be repairable, the other 2 are temperamental and could just require cleaning (both of these are Sony). I have one remote for the Sonys and one for the Portland, plus a Sony universal remote. Also includes 2 Coax/RCA converters (these are around $20 at Radio Shack...) 5. PDA - one Sony PEG S360 PDA. It has a color screen, all cables and discs, and is in the box (not new, though...) 6. PC+ in a few boxes - Good project for someone wanting to learn to build a computer...includes everything but a hard drive. Full tower case, 1 (maybe 2) power supply(ies), a PII proc+mobo, 2-32MB PC100 RAM, 2-64 PC100 RAM, 1 (or 2) 128 MB PC100 RAM, 1 512 MB PC2700 RAM, 3 or 4 floppy drives, a USB/smart card reader, sound card, and video card (both decent). 7. Vintage Storage - Includes a box of floppies, 1 2GB JAZ drive, 1 1GB JAZ drive, 5 or 6 ZIP drives (100M models), 2 SCSI cards, and 20-30 JAZ and ZIP disks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080107/982348c4/attachment.htm From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 13:43:30 2008 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:43:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [OFFER] Computer Misc In-Reply-To: <914f813c0801071911u4eb0c192u49be89bedaf21525@mail.gmail.com> References: <914f813c0801071911u4eb0c192u49be89bedaf21525@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801091343.31083.TeeAhr1@gmail.com> I'm interested in 6 and 7. Where do you live? -pete On Monday January 07 2008 21:11:26 John T. Hoffoss wrote: > Unless noted, ALL of this worked last time I used any of it, which is > awhile ago in some cases. > > You're picking up each lot. If you want more than one, be my guest! > > 1. Cell/Audio > - includes Rio 500 MP3 Player (64M? ca. 1999ish), lots of various cables, > cell phone headsets incl. a jabra bluetooth, chargers, includes one at&t > older at&t phone, 3 personal/portable CD players. > > 2. Phone/Modem > - includes two modems and various phone wires > > 3. Network & misc. > - includes HP jetdirect print server, several network cards, an MS USB > 802.11b adapter, an MS USB bluetooth adapter (might even still have the > mouse around that went with it...), a 16 MB SD card, several PCMCIA NICs & > dongles. > > 4. Video > - includes 3 DVD players - 1 doesn't work (Portland) but could be > repairable, the other 2 are temperamental and could just require cleaning > (both of these are Sony). I have one remote for the Sonys and one for the > Portland, plus a Sony universal remote. Also includes 2 Coax/RCA converters > (these are around $20 at Radio Shack...) > > 5. PDA > - one Sony PEG S360 PDA. It has a color screen, all cables and discs, and > is in the box (not new, though...) > > 6. PC+ in a few boxes > - Good project for someone wanting to learn to build a computer...includes > everything but a hard drive. Full tower case, 1 (maybe 2) power > supply(ies), a PII proc+mobo, 2-32MB PC100 RAM, 2-64 PC100 RAM, 1 (or 2) > 128 MB PC100 RAM, 1 512 MB PC2700 RAM, 3 or 4 floppy drives, a USB/smart > card reader, sound card, and video card (both decent). > > 7. Vintage Storage > - Includes a box of floppies, 1 2GB JAZ drive, 1 1GB JAZ drive, 5 or 6 ZIP > drives (100M models), 2 SCSI cards, and 20-30 JAZ and ZIP disks. From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jan 9 13:47:26 2008 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:47:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: <478515B7.1060600@umn.edu> References: <20080107105234.A4708@belka.space.umn.edu> <121918.11264.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080109112057.A23109@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <4785055A.80201@umn.edu> <579c6fd30801091031x183a8ba6t3782256f790574f0@mail.gmail.com> <478515B7.1060600@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20080109134726.A2733@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 12:43:03PM -0600, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > If we assume that the typical poster isn't clueless and know which parts > of an original message to cut out or if they're addressing multiple > points from an earlier message, they'll format their reply properly, > then it would make more sense to top post. Why would you want to scroll > all the way to the bottom to get the newest message? Scrolling down a message is fast and easy with my usual email client, and I can scan the old material to remind myself of the context as I scrolling. Scrolling all the way to bottom to get context, and then going back to the top to read the message is annoying, and goes against the usual convention of reading down the page. > It also makes more > sense when your (web)mail client has a message preview feature. Not to me. Especially with list messages, the context in the preview panel will remind me if I am even interested in reading the message or whether I just want to delete it immediately (as I am sure many people are going to do to this message). If you prefer to ignore the context in the preview panel or elsewhere, many clients can be setup to hide the context till you expand it. > But if that assumption fails, no amount of suggestions on formatting or > style are going to help. I would argue that bottom/inline posting fails more gracefully. If you bottom post it is natural to look back at the original post, and then notice that you should trim some of it. Top posting encourages people to leave the entire original thread untouched below what they are writing. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed Jan 9 14:04:21 2008 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:04:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: <20080109112057.A23109@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <20080107105234.A4708@belka.space.umn.edu> <121918.11264.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080109112057.A23109@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Jim Crumley wrote: > Adobe reader is bloated and slow. Adobe Professional has an online upgrade scheme that is a major nightmare. After installation it made me reboot four times to download and install 4 successive upgrade patches. It took a long time. Huge headache. I don't know what Reader is like, but I sure hope it isn't like that! Mike From florin at iucha.net Wed Jan 9 14:13:24 2008 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:13:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: <478515B7.1060600@umn.edu> References: <20080107105234.A4708@belka.space.umn.edu> <121918.11264.qm@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080109112057.A23109@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <4785055A.80201@umn.edu> <579c6fd30801091031x183a8ba6t3782256f790574f0@mail.gmail.com> <478515B7.1060600@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20080109201324.GF27161@iris.iucha.org> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 12:43:03PM -0600, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > >> But if everyone top posts, this isn't a problem. Rather than going from > >> oldest to newest, why not in reverse? It makes more sense to me if > >> you're following a topic as most do on a technical list. > > > > The link posted by Jim clearly states why it's a bad idea to top-post. > > While it may (emphasis on MAY) make sense chronilogically, it usually > > makes little sense in context since one may well need to read the > > entirety of the posts to understand what the post references. This is > > especially the case when a poster is responding only to a particular > > section of a previous post. > > > If we assume that the typical poster isn't clueless and know which parts Bzzzzt. Wrong assumption. Most people click 'reply' and start typing at wherever position their mail program sets the cursor. Editing? Ha! > of an original message to cut out or if they're addressing multiple > points from an earlier message, they'll format their reply properly, > then it would make more sense to top post. Why would you want to scroll > all the way to the bottom to get the newest message? It also makes more > sense when your (web)mail client has a message preview feature. That is a quarter of a good point. But the mail client could be coded so that is displays the first 'non-quote' in the e-mail as opposed to the first five lines of text. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080109/73b20424/attachment.pgp From anna2edw at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 15:41:20 2008 From: anna2edw at yahoo.com (Anna Edwards) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:41:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <400681.64696.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> lmao reader had only one problem in windows (not in linux) that it takes bandwidth when you didnt want it used (especially because comcast purposely makes torrents slow yet take all the bandwidth, glad fcc taking care of that) but for linux it works perfectly fine (except very rarely a pdf made by open office will load slowly) so it works for me Mike Miller wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Jim Crumley wrote: >> Adobe reader is bloated and slow. > Adobe Professional has an online upgrade scheme that is a major nightmare. > After installation it made me reboot four times to download and install 4 > successive upgrade patches. It took a long time. Huge headache. I don't > know what Reader is like, but I sure hope it isn't like that! > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wdtj at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 16:29:19 2008 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:29:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree Message-ID: <764011.35466.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Anyone know of a quick and easy way to find the date of the newest file in a directory tree. I'm looking for a way to speed up synchronizing file caches between machines. When you have 1m in files (that's a count, not a size), it takes quite a while to scan through the whole tree. If we had a .oldest file in each branch, we could skip that branch if nothing had changed. Then all we would need to do is scan the tree once to set these branch-stamps. After that, all the cache machines would have to do is walk the tree looking for newer stamps. --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Jan 9 16:49:38 2008 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:49:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree In-Reply-To: <764011.35466.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <764011.35466.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: at a high level, if there's been a modification to a file in a directory the mtime of the directory should reflect the modification. this does not propagate to parents, it's simply a reflection of the metadata for the container directory. as such you should be able to check the mtime of only directories within a hierarchy. this would eliminate the need to check the mtime of all of the files within a directory. rsync doen't cut it? On Jan 9, 2008 4:29 PM, Wayne Johnson wrote: > > Anyone know of a quick and easy way to find the date of the newest file in a > directory tree. > > I'm looking for a way to speed up synchronizing file caches between > machines. When you have 1m in files (that's a count, not a size), it takes > quite a while to scan through the whole tree. If we had a .oldest file in > each branch, we could skip that branch if nothing had changed. Then all we > would need to do is scan the tree once to set these branch-stamps. After > that, all the cache machines would have to do is walk the tree looking for > newer stamps. -- steve ulrich (sulrich at botwerks.*) From dave at sherohman.org Wed Jan 9 16:57:04 2008 From: dave at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:57:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree In-Reply-To: <764011.35466.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <764011.35466.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080109225704.GE3477@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 02:29:19PM -0800, Wayne Johnson wrote: > Anyone know of a quick and easy way to find the date of the newest > file in a directory tree. Not entirely "quick" when dealing with a million files, but find /some/dir/ -exec ls -l {} \; | awk '{print $6,$7,$8}' | sort -r | head -1 will give you the newest file in /some/dir/ (or its subdirectories) along with its modification date and time, assuming your ls lists the date/time in an ascii-sortable format (which mine does: 2008-01-09 00:28). > I'm looking for a way to speed up synchronizing file caches between > machines. When you have 1m in files (that's a count, not a size), it > takes quite a while to scan through the whole tree. If we had a > .oldest file in each branch, we could skip that branch if nothing had > changed. Then all we would need to do is scan the tree once to set > these branch-stamps. After that, all the cache machines would have to > do is walk the tree looking for newer stamps. Have you tried rsync? In broad terms, this is the kind of thing it's designed to handle, but I'm not sure whether it's able to detect unmodified directories and skip them or not. -- I reckon we are now the only monastry ever that had a dungeon stuffed with sixteen thousand zombies. - perlmonks.org From florin at iucha.net Wed Jan 9 17:20:14 2008 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:20:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree In-Reply-To: <20080109225704.GE3477@sherohman.org> References: <764011.35466.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080109225704.GE3477@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20080109232014.GH27161@iris.iucha.org> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 04:57:04PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Not entirely "quick" when dealing with a million files, but > > find /some/dir/ -exec ls -l {} \; | awk '{print $6,$7,$8}' | sort -r | head -1 Ewwwww... ETOOMANYLS find /some/dir -type f -printf "%h/%f %A@\n" | sort -rn -k2 | head -1 With a bit of awk magic you can even take the sorting out of the picture. florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So message for all of you: don't worry about recycling fees or cleaning or whatever; chances are someone will eagerly take all your junk. Next time I'll post to TCLUG alone first. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: icm Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:07:07 To:"John T. Hoffoss" Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [OFFER] Computer Misc Is the network lot still available? where are you located? On Jan 7, 2008 9:11 PM, John T. Hoffoss > wrote: Unless noted, ALL of this worked last time I used any of it, which is awhile ago in some cases. You're picking up each lot. If you want more than one, be my guest! 1. Cell/Audio - includes Rio 500 MP3 Player (64M? ca. 1999ish), lots of various cables, cell phone headsets incl. a jabra bluetooth, chargers, includes one at&t older at&t phone, 3 personal/portable CD players. 2. Phone/Modem - includes two modems and various phone wires 3. Network & misc. - includes HP jetdirect print server, several network cards, an MS USB 802.11b adapter, an MS USB bluetooth adapter (might even still have the mouse around that went with it...), a 16 MB SD card, several PCMCIA NICs & dongles. 4. Video - includes 3 DVD players - 1 doesn't work (Portland) but could be repairable, the other 2 are temperamental and could just require cleaning (both of these are Sony). I have one remote for the Sonys and one for the Portland, plus a Sony universal remote. Also includes 2 Coax/RCA converters (these are around $20 at Radio Shack...) 5. PDA - one Sony PEG S360 PDA. It has a color screen, all cables and discs, and is in the box (not new, though...) 6. PC+ in a few boxes - Good project for someone wanting to learn to build a computer...includes everything but a hard drive. Full tower case, 1 (maybe 2) power supply(ies), a PII proc+mobo, 2-32MB PC100 RAM, 2-64 PC100 RAM, 1 (or 2) 128 MB PC100 RAM, 1 512 MB PC2700 RAM, 3 or 4 floppy drives, a USB/smart card reader, sound card, and video card (both decent). 7. Vintage Storage - Includes a box of floppies, 1 2GB JAZ drive, 1 1GB JAZ drive, 5 or 6 ZIP drives (100M models), 2 SCSI cards, and 20-30 JAZ and ZIP disks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave at sherohman.org Wed Jan 9 17:30:21 2008 From: dave at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:30:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree In-Reply-To: <20080109232014.GH27161@iris.iucha.org> References: <764011.35466.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080109225704.GE3477@sherohman.org> <20080109232014.GH27161@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20080109233021.GF3477@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 05:20:14PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 04:57:04PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Not entirely "quick" when dealing with a million files, but > > > > find /some/dir/ -exec ls -l {} \; | awk '{print $6,$7,$8}' | sort -r | head -1 > > Ewwwww... ETOOMANYLS > > find /some/dir -type f -printf "%h/%f %A@\n" | sort -rn -k2 | head -1 *bows* Yours is the superior find-fu. I wasn't even aware it had a -printf option. But wouldn't you want %T@ (mtime) rather than %A@ (atime), since we're looking for the most recently modified file? -- I reckon we are now the only monastry ever that had a dungeon stuffed with sixteen thousand zombies. - perlmonks.org From florin at iucha.net Wed Jan 9 17:41:20 2008 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:41:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree In-Reply-To: <20080109233021.GF3477@sherohman.org> References: <764011.35466.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080109225704.GE3477@sherohman.org> <20080109232014.GH27161@iris.iucha.org> <20080109233021.GF3477@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20080109234120.GI27161@iris.iucha.org> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 05:30:21PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 05:20:14PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 04:57:04PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > Not entirely "quick" when dealing with a million files, but > > > > > > find /some/dir/ -exec ls -l {} \; | awk '{print $6,$7,$8}' | sort -r | head -1 > > > > Ewwwww... ETOOMANYLS > > > > find /some/dir -type f -printf "%h/%f %A@\n" | sort -rn -k2 | head -1 > > *bows* Yours is the superior find-fu. I wasn't even aware it had a > -printf option. > > But wouldn't you want %T@ (mtime) rather than %A@ (atime), since we're > looking for the most recently modified file? Yup, you are right. And the Oscar goes to: find /some/dir -type f -printf "%h/%f %T@\n" | awk '{ if ($2 > the_max) { the_max = $2; file_name = $1; } } END { print file_name }' I would like to thank Google for its search engine and to the find man page for its thorough description of the million options and switches... florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I also find it interesting that Microsoft is NOT the only software company whose email client top posts by default, so you can't blame it on Microsoft. Just my $0.02. -- ========== Todd Young -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jim Crumley > On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:45:25PM -0800, Anna Edwards wrote: > > First off, top posting to technical email list is bad. Please > stop. See for example: > http://catb.org/~esr//jargon/html/T/top-post.html > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dniesen at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 20:23:04 2008 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:23:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: <011020080203.15969.47857D0D0006E65000003E6122070210530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> References: <011020080203.15969.47857D0D0006E65000003E6122070210530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70801091823p35dd9730qff6a7b49410d11a8@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 9, 2008 8:03 PM, wrote: > Top post? > Bottom post? > Who gives a flying fart!? > > I'm intelligent enough to figure out the chronological order of a series of emails. > > Just because some web site somewhere shows 1 reason why bottom posting is "supposedly" better does NOT make it LAW. > I'm going to middle post. Screw anybody's convention. > Quite frankly I could care less how someone posts as long as they trim out the excess text that has nothing to do with their reply. > > I also find it interesting that Microsoft is NOT the only software company whose email client top posts by default, so you can't blame it on Microsoft. > > Just my $0.02. > > -- > ========== > Todd Young > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Jim Crumley > > On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:45:25PM -0800, Anna Edwards wrote: > > > > First off, top posting to technical email list is bad. Please > > stop. See for example: > > http://catb.org/~esr//jargon/html/T/top-post.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Donovan Niesen From trnja001 at umn.edu Wed Jan 9 20:33:35 2008 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:33:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70801091823p35dd9730qff6a7b49410d11a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <011020080203.15969.47857D0D0006E65000003E6122070210530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> <47f4d5e70801091823p35dd9730qff6a7b49410d11a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478583FF.2030006@umn.edu> Donovan wrote: > On Jan 9, 2008 8:03 PM, wrote: > >> Top post? >> Bottom post? >> Who gives a flying fart!? >> >> I'm intelligent enough to figure out the chronological order of a series of emails. >> >> Just because some web site somewhere shows 1 reason why bottom posting is "supposedly" better does NOT make it LAW. >> >> > > > I'm going to middle post. Aren't you the rebel > Screw anybody's convention. > > > > >> Quite frankly I could care less how someone posts as long as they trim out the excess text that has nothing to do with their reply. >> >> I also find it interesting that Microsoft is NOT the only software company whose email client top posts by default, so you can't blame it on Microsoft. >> >> Just my $0.02. >> >> -- >> ========== >> Todd Young >> >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: Jim Crumley >> >>> On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 02:45:25PM -0800, Anna Edwards wrote: >>> >>> First off, top posting to technical email list is bad. Please >>> stop. See for example: >>> http://catb.org/~esr//jargon/html/T/top-post.html >>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > > From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Wed Jan 9 20:39:41 2008 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:39:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] eBook reader w/ PDF support In-Reply-To: <478583FF.2030006@umn.edu> References: <011020080203.15969.47857D0D0006E65000003E6122070210530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> <47f4d5e70801091823p35dd9730qff6a7b49410d11a8@mail.gmail.com> <478583FF.2030006@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20080110023941.GA4907@mail.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> > Donovan wrote: > I'm going to middle post. I prefer vi. kb0gbj From wdtj at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 21:19:03 2008 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:19:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree Message-ID: <559269.58653.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> rsync is nice, but when your talking 1 million files over 12 users, your talking serious disk io. 45 minutes per user just to scan through the list. If I can determine if anything needs to be done at all first, before even running rsync, that's a lot of savings. --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis ----- Original Message ---- From: Dave Sherohman To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 4:57:04 PM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 02:29:19PM -0800, Wayne Johnson wrote: > Anyone know of a quick and easy way to find the date of the newest > file in a directory tree. Not entirely "quick" when dealing with a million files, but find /some/dir/ -exec ls -l {} \; | awk '{print $6,$7,$8}' | sort -r | head -1 will give you the newest file in /some/dir/ (or its subdirectories) along with its modification date and time, assuming your ls lists the date/time in an ascii-sortable format (which mine does: 2008-01-09 00:28). > I'm looking for a way to speed up synchronizing file caches between > machines. When you have 1m in files (that's a count, not a size), it > takes quite a while to scan through the whole tree. If we had a > .oldest file in each branch, we could skip that branch if nothing had > changed. Then all we would need to do is scan the tree once to set > these branch-stamps. After that, all the cache machines would have to > do is walk the tree looking for newer stamps. Have you tried rsync? In broad terms, this is the kind of thing it's designed to handle, but I'm not sure whether it's able to detect unmodified directories and skip them or not. -- I reckon we are now the only monastry ever that had a dungeon stuffed with sixteen thousand zombies. - perlmonks.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lewis ----- Original Message ---- From: Dave Sherohman To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 5:30:21 PM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 05:20:14PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 04:57:04PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > Not entirely "quick" when dealing with a million files, but > > > > find /some/dir/ -exec ls -l {} \; | awk '{print $6,$7,$8}' | sort -r | head -1 > > Ewwwww... ETOOMANYLS > > find /some/dir -type f -printf "%h/%f %A@\n" | sort -rn -k2 | head -1 *bows* Yours is the superior find-fu. I wasn't even aware it had a -printf option. But wouldn't you want %T@ (mtime) rather than %A@ (atime), since we're looking for the most recently modified file? -- I reckon we are now the only monastry ever that had a dungeon stuffed with sixteen thousand zombies. - perlmonks.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 22:27:20 2008 From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:27:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree In-Reply-To: <670332.22933.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <670332.22933.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Anyone know of a quick and easy way to find the date of the newest file in a directory tree. What kind of systems do you want to be doing this on? If it's linux with a kernel version of >= 2.6.13 you might (if it was enabled in the kernel) have inotify available. For a complete description see google, but simply inotify allows a program to watch the file system for events. So you could make a simple process to watch your tree for appropriate events (file modifies etc.) and keep track of what is most recent. leif From florin at iucha.net Wed Jan 9 23:23:36 2008 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 23:23:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree In-Reply-To: References: <670332.22933.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080110052336.GL27161@iris.iucha.org> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 10:27:20PM -0600, Leif Johnson wrote: > > Anyone know of a quick and easy way to find the date of the newest file in a directory tree. > What kind of systems do you want to be doing this on? > > If it's linux with a kernel version of >= 2.6.13 you might (if it was > enabled in the kernel) have inotify available. For a complete > description see google, but simply inotify allows a program to watch > the file system for events. So you could make a simple process to > watch your tree for appropriate events (file modifies etc.) and keep > track of what is most recent. Well, the process might be simple, but if the directory tree is bushy then you talk about lots of CPU and memory usage to keep track of all changes until you need them. florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is the stuff I like most on LUG lists -- learning all the cool tricks with GNU/UNIX/Linux commands. So much can be done but it takes years to learn all the efficient ways of doing things. I've used awk/gawk a gazillion times but only in a few ways, so using it to find a maximum was not in my repertoire, but that is an excellent idea. I always would have sorted the file even though I knew that couldn't be the best way to go. That said, there are still some problems with the one-liner above. First and foremost, if any file in the tree contains a space in the filename, the command will fail. At first I was going to say that the problem is in the printf argument because it doesn't uses a space as delimiter between the file name and date stamp: $ find . -type f -printf "%h/%f %T@\n" ./Lee, Alvin - I'm Going Home.txt 1182200822 ./0_TABLATURE_EXPLANATION.txt 1118104853 ./Semisonic - FNT.txt 1153491460 ./Animals - House of the Rising Sun.tab.txt 1142214281 [snip] But maybe it is better to say that the problem is with the awk command. If we replace $2 with $NF and replace $1 with $0, we get this: find /some/dir -type f -printf "%h/%f %T@\n" | awk '{ if ($NF > the_max) { the_max = $NF; file_name = $0; } } END { print file_name }' But the problem with that is that it retains the date stamp at the end like so: ./Lee, Alvin - I'm Going Home.txt 1182200822 But that can be removed by adding a little perl (or sed) regexp thingy at the end: find /some/dir -type f -printf "%h/%f %T@\n" | awk '{ if ($NF > the_max) { the_max = $NF; file_name = $0; } } END { print file_name }' | perl -pe 's/^(.+) [0-9]+$/$1/' That will run almost exactly as fast as the earlier suggestion because the perl bit at the end is very fast and it is only done on the single line of output at the end. On the other hand, you didn't say that you wanted the filename, you said that you wanted the date. That simplifies things a bit! You can do this: find /some/dir -type f -printf "%T@\n" | awk '{ if ($1 > the_max) { the_max = $1; } } END { print the_max }' That returns the modification date of the newest file in seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC. If you want a different date format, we can discuss that. There must be a good trick. You can get the current time in that format using the date command as follows: date +%s There are other forms of weirdness with UNIX filenames, like they can include a newline, and that will also mess you up, but maybe that never happens on your system (and if you and your users and your software are all sane, it won't happen!). Do you want to find the newest file as of the moment your script starts running, or will you want to detect new files that are created after the script starts running but before it finishes? Maybe this isn't an important consideration for you, but you should be aware that what you mean by the "newest file" isn't defined precisely by the method you are using to identify it. Best, Mike From florin at iucha.net Thu Jan 10 07:00:34 2008 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:00:34 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree In-Reply-To: References: <764011.35466.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080109225704.GE3477@sherohman.org> <20080109232014.GH27161@iris.iucha.org> <20080109233021.GF3477@sherohman.org> <20080109234120.GI27161@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20080110130034.GN27161@iris.iucha.org> On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 11:40:37PM -0600, Mike Miller wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > And the Oscar goes to: > > > > find /some/dir -type f -printf "%h/%f %T@\n" | awk '{ if ($2 > the_max) { the_max = $2; file_name = $1; } } > > END { print file_name }' > > > > I would like to thank Google for its search engine and to the find man > > page for its thorough description of the million options and switches... > > > This is the stuff I like most on LUG lists -- learning all the cool tricks > with GNU/UNIX/Linux commands. So much can be done but it takes years to > learn all the efficient ways of doing things. I've used awk/gawk a > gazillion times but only in a few ways, so using it to find a maximum was > not in my repertoire, but that is an excellent idea. I always would have > sorted the file even though I knew that couldn't be the best way to go. > > That said, there are still some problems with the one-liner above. First > and foremost, if any file in the tree contains a space in the filename, > the command will fail. At first I was going to say that the problem is in > the printf argument because it doesn't uses a space as delimiter between > the file name and date stamp: > > $ find . -type f -printf "%h/%f %T@\n" > ./Lee, Alvin - I'm Going Home.txt 1182200822 > ./0_TABLATURE_EXPLANATION.txt 1118104853 > ./Semisonic - FNT.txt 1153491460 > ./Animals - House of the Rising Sun.tab.txt 1142214281 > [snip] > > But maybe it is better to say that the problem is with the awk command. > If we replace $2 with $NF and replace $1 with $0, we get this: We can switch the arguments around and use a less likely separator (warning, untested): find /some/dir -type f -printf "%T@^%h/%f\n" | awk -F^ '{ if ($1 > the_max) { the_max = $1; file_name = $2; } } END { print file_name }' Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In this case, the master directory is a compilation of all the source of all the third party software we use, will use, or have used. ApacheDS, Xerces, Jetty... When you factor in multiple releases of the software and multiple platforms (19) it's huge. It only changes infrequently, but all of our developers need to update their local copies to keep in sync. Far too many times a developer has changed our product source with something that requires a new package, but not everyone had updated their caches so that person gets excited because compiles start failing, only to realize that they didn't read the "slurp" warning (as we call them) to update their cache. Some of the developers are on other continents, so having them access the master directly when they build is out of the question. Thanks all for the suggestions, this has helped a lot. --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This all depends on the parameters that we (us being not Wayne) don't know about the situation. leif From wdtj at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 09:15:26 2008 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:15:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree Message-ID: <452760.152.qm@web53804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Actually, I just wanted to find the time, not the file, so by removing the file name, life gets really simple. I agree, there are just so many tricks out there. Yes, Google is a good place to start, but at times I've spent hours researching, given up, then asked this list and get an answer in minutes. The amount of Linux experience we have online in TCLUG is huge and just having someone to help reduce the subject area helps. Besides, we all learn a little with these inquiries. I consider myself a pretty experienced programmer and admin, but sometimes even I don't know the answer, or like to hear how others have solved the problem. There is always some new trick, that's what makes Linux/UNIX so fun. Thanks all. --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Miller To: TCLUG List Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 11:40:37 PM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Florin Iucha wrote: > And the Oscar goes to: > > find /some/dir -type f -printf "%h/%f %T@\n" | awk '{ if ($2 > the_max) { the_max = $2; file_name = $1; } } > END { print file_name }' > > I would like to thank Google for its search engine and to the find man > page for its thorough description of the million options and switches... This is the stuff I like most on LUG lists -- learning all the cool tricks with GNU/UNIX/Linux commands. So much can be done but it takes years to learn all the efficient ways of doing things. I've used awk/gawk a gazillion times but only in a few ways, so using it to find a maximum was not in my repertoire, but that is an excellent idea. I always would have sorted the file even though I knew that couldn't be the best way to go. That said, there are still some problems with the one-liner above. First and foremost, if any file in the tree contains a space in the filename, the command will fail. At first I was going to say that the problem is in the printf argument because it doesn't uses a space as delimiter between the file name and date stamp: $ find . -type f -printf "%h/%f %T@\n" ./Lee, Alvin - I'm Going Home.txt 1182200822 ./0_TABLATURE_EXPLANATION.txt 1118104853 ./Semisonic - FNT.txt 1153491460 ./Animals - House of the Rising Sun.tab.txt 1142214281 [snip] But maybe it is better to say that the problem is with the awk command. If we replace $2 with $NF and replace $1 with $0, we get this: find /some/dir -type f -printf "%h/%f %T@\n" | awk '{ if ($NF > the_max) { the_max = $NF; file_name = $0; } } END { print file_name }' But the problem with that is that it retains the date stamp at the end like so: ./Lee, Alvin - I'm Going Home.txt 1182200822 But that can be removed by adding a little perl (or sed) regexp thingy at the end: find /some/dir -type f -printf "%h/%f %T@\n" | awk '{ if ($NF > the_max) { the_max = $NF; file_name = $0; } } END { print file_name }' | perl -pe 's/^(.+) [0-9]+$/$1/' That will run almost exactly as fast as the earlier suggestion because the perl bit at the end is very fast and it is only done on the single line of output at the end. On the other hand, you didn't say that you wanted the filename, you said that you wanted the date. That simplifies things a bit! You can do this: find /some/dir -type f -printf "%T@\n" | awk '{ if ($1 > the_max) { the_max = $1; } } END { print the_max }' That returns the modification date of the newest file in seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC. If you want a different date format, we can discuss that. There must be a good trick. You can get the current time in that format using the date command as follows: date +%s There are other forms of weirdness with UNIX filenames, like they can include a newline, and that will also mess you up, but maybe that never happens on your system (and if you and your users and your software are all sane, it won't happen!). Do you want to find the newest file as of the moment your script starts running, or will you want to detect new files that are created after the script starts running but before it finishes? Maybe this isn't an important consideration for you, but you should be aware that what you mean by the "newest file" isn't defined precisely by the method you are using to identify it. Best, Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It gives the filename as output instead of the date. This makes me want to write a little script for finding the newest file with "some/dir" given as input on the command line. I do need this kind of thing sometimes. I think I would do it by having a fast and slow form where the fast version used awk and only printed the newest file, but the slow version used sort and printed the n newest files along with the number of days, minutes and seconds since they were modified. When I'm doing this in a single directory, I just do this: ls -lAFtc | head -n where the "n" is replaced by the number of newest files I want to see. The "t" argument to ls forces it to sort by date and the "c" argument makes it use the real modification time instead of the date stamp (which can be changed by "touch"). If someone breaks into your machine and modifies files they'll often change date stamps to make it seem like the files were not modified recently, so "ls -lc" will reveal this. Mike From icm269 at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 11:52:40 2008 From: icm269 at gmail.com (icm) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:52:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Listserv Software Message-ID: <854f92730801100952r229855dbq2e03189199b26693@mail.gmail.com> I have the task of setting up about a dozen different listservs for my company and I'm looking for a open-source solution that is easy to use and easy to implement and can expand if need be. Our current setup is primarily a windows environment with Exchange as our main mail processor. We do have a few linux boxes(Ubuntu, Suse) running that I could tap if need be. Can any of you offer any suggestions on some listserv software? I've heard of Mailman any others? I do have LSoft running for another application but the licensing is rather expensive. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've heard of > Mailman any others? I do have LSoft running for another application but the > licensing is rather expensive. I am rather fond of sympa. http://www.sympa.org/ -- Bret Baptist Senior Network Administrator bbaptist at iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Providing Internet Services since 1995 Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics Network Security ~ On Demand Tech Support ~ E-Mail Marketing ------------------------------------------ From johntrammell at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 12:46:49 2008 From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:46:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree In-Reply-To: References: <764011.35466.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080109225704.GE3477@sherohman.org> <20080109232014.GH27161@iris.iucha.org> <20080109233021.GF3477@sherohman.org> <20080109234120.GI27161@iris.iucha.org> <20080110130034.GN27161@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: <68dbb6fe0801101046m7ca7af67lf2ef4393633f11e8@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 10, 2008 9:51 AM, Mike Miller wrote: [snip] OK, I just had to see how awful this would be in Perl. Not too awful: % perl -MFile::Find::Rule -MList::Util=min -le 'print min map -M, find->in(".")' 0.00752314814814815 This is the number of days that have passed since the most recent file modification. Other variations can be had by changing out "-M" (see perldoc -f -X) and min/max. File::Find::Rule also permits conditional chaining. One problem with this is that File::Find::Rule isn't generally part of the Perl core. Here's a variant that prints the date of the most recent file: % perl -MFile::Find::Rule -MList::Util=max -le 'print scalar localtime(max map { (stat($_))[9] } find->in("."))' Thu Jan 10 12:18:42 2008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not too awful: > > % perl -MFile::Find::Rule -MList::Util=min -le 'print min map -M, > find->in(".")' > 0.00752314814814815 > > This is the number of days that have passed since the most recent file > modification. Other variations can be had by changing out "-M" (see perldoc > -f -X) and min/max. File::Find::Rule also permits conditional chaining. > One problem with this is that File::Find::Rule isn't generally part of the > Perl core. > > Here's a variant that prints the date of the most recent file: > > % perl -MFile::Find::Rule -MList::Util=max -le 'print scalar localtime(max > map { (stat($_))[9] } find->in("."))' > Thu Jan 10 12:18:42 2008 Nice. I wonder how the various methods compare in speed. With a lot of files they must all be pretty slow, so speed is important. Mike From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jan 10 15:08:44 2008 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:08:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Listserv Software In-Reply-To: <200801101206.54994.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <854f92730801100952r229855dbq2e03189199b26693@mail.gmail.com> <200801101206.54994.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <26145.1199999324@skuld.wookimus.net> Mailman is hard to beat. Never tried Sympa. I've used Ecartis and like it, but when it comes to a polished mail list and archive server with a very useable web GUI, Mailman is king (IMNSHO). Chad From johntrammell at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 15:45:46 2008 From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:45:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Finding the date of the newest file in a directory tree In-Reply-To: References: <764011.35466.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080109225704.GE3477@sherohman.org> <20080109232014.GH27161@iris.iucha.org> <20080109233021.GF3477@sherohman.org> <20080109234120.GI27161@iris.iucha.org> <20080110130034.GN27161@iris.iucha.org> <68dbb6fe0801101046m7ca7af67lf2ef4393633f11e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <68dbb6fe0801101345q3d365f9er75fda990a1cd9704@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 10, 2008 2:16 PM, Mike Miller wrote: [snip, with slightly less zeal :^) ] > I wonder how the various methods compare in speed. With a lot of files > they must all be pretty slow, so speed is important. > A worthy question! % find . | wc -l 22531 % time perl -MFile::Find::Rule -MList::Util=max -le 'print scalar localtime(max map { (stat($_))[9] } find->in("."))' Thu Jan 10 15:20:58 2008 real 0m1.122s user 0m0.918s sys 0m0.203s % perl -le 'print 1000 * 1.122 / 22531' 0.0497980560117172 So that's about 50 usec per file. Comparing with find + awk: % find . -type f -printf "%T@\n" | awk '{ if ($1 > the_max) { the_max = $1; } } END { print the_max }' 1200000058 % time !! time find . -type f -printf "%T@\n" | awk '{ if ($1 > the_max) { the_max = $1; } } END { print the_max }' 1200000058 real 0m0.168s user 0m0.071s sys 0m0.116s % perl -le 'print 1000000 * 0.168 / 22531' 7.45639341351915 So something like 7usec per file. And just for grins (that's a lot of zeroes!): % perl -le 'print scalar localtime (1200000000)' Thu Jan 10 15:20:00 2008 % perl -le 'print scalar localtime (1300000000)' Sun Mar 13 01:06:40 2011 Mark your calendars, nerds. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With a lot of files > > they must all be pretty slow, so speed is important. > > A worthy question! > > % time perl -MFile::Find::Rule -MList::Util=max -le 'print scalar > localtime(max map { (stat($_))[9] } find->in("."))' > Thu Jan 10 15:20:58 2008 > real 0m1.122s > user 0m0.918s > sys 0m0.203s > > So that's about 50 usec per file. Comparing with find + awk: > > time find . -type f -printf "%T@\n" | awk '{ if ($1 > the_max) { the_max = > $1; } } END { print the_max }' > 1200000058 > > real 0m0.168s > user 0m0.071s > sys 0m0.116s > % perl -le 'print 1000000 * 0.168 / 22531' > 7.45639341351915 > > So something like 7usec per file. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I would like to thank the man page... florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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