Can anyone out there tell me how to configure a Radeon 1950Pro video
card to work with special effects?
I would appreciate it.
Danny


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>    1. Re: Open standards for government documents
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>    2. Re: Open standards for government documents (Troy)
>    3. Re: sudo (Mike Miller)
>    4. Re: sudo (Andy Schmid)
>    5. Re: sudo (Mike Miller)
>    6. Re: Open standards for government documents (Steve Cayford)
>    7. Re: Open standards for government documents (Troy.A Johnson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:52:58 -0600
> From: "Brian D. Ropers-Huilman" <brian at ropers-huilman.net>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Open standards for government documents
> To: "Tony Yarusso" <tonyyarusso at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com, tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> On Feb 6, 2008 12:26 AM, Tony Yarusso <tonyyarusso at gmail.com> wrote:
> > As noted on my blog, I attended my caucus tonight, and decided to present a
> > resolution for mandating the use of ISO-approved open standards for all new
> > government documents and all being newly converted to electronic form,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone else had similar resolutions brought up in their
> > precinct, and if so, what was the result?  The only concern raised against
> > mine was wondering what the potential cost would be, although I think we
> > have a solid argument there in that it would cost essentially nothing to
> > implement open formats in a forward-only manner, and the real cost only
> > comes in with retroactively converting existing documents
> 
> I am a strong proponent of open source and have even been accused of
> evangelicalizing at times. I pushed my extended family to move to
> OpenOffice years ago, as I did.
> 
> Having said that, however, we need to be careful when we talk about
> costs. There certainly will be a cost involved in such a conversion,
> not in the cost of the format or of the software to produce documents
> in that format, but in terms of training. Like it or not, there are
> differences in the applications that support open formats and those
> that don't and those differences will have to be trained before users
> are fully accepting of the new applications and their new formats.
> 
> I just needed to point that one out.
> 
> We did not stay for our actual caucus last night as our kids would
> have melted. I'm not aware of any discussion in that regard either,
> but I applaud you for bringing it up and am excited that your
> resolution passed.
> 
> -- 
> Brian D. Ropers-Huilman
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:46:51 -0600
> From: Troy <troythetechguy at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Open standards for government documents
> To: "Brian D. Ropers-Huilman" <brian at ropers-huilman.net>
> Cc: ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com, tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Great idea Tony.  I wish I would have thought of offering the open standard
> as a resolution as my caucus too.
> 
> As Brian points out, there is the cost of training involved with any
> conversion.  However, I think this touches on the fundamental issue of how
> we teach people to use software.  This topic was mentioned in another list
> that I am a member, and the consensus was we teach kids to use MS Word, not
> word processing software.  It would be nice if schools at least touched on
> alternatives to MS products.
> 
> Troy
> 
> On Feb 6, 2008 6:52 AM, Brian D. Ropers-Huilman <brian at ropers-huilman.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Feb 6, 2008 12:26 AM, Tony Yarusso <tonyyarusso at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > As noted on my blog, I attended my caucus tonight, and decided to
> > present a
> > > resolution for mandating the use of ISO-approved open standards for all
> > new
> > > government documents and all being newly converted to electronic form,
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone else had similar resolutions brought up in
> > their
> > > precinct, and if so, what was the result?  The only concern raised
> > against
> > > mine was wondering what the potential cost would be, although I think we
> > > have a solid argument there in that it would cost essentially nothing to
> > > implement open formats in a forward-only manner, and the real cost only
> > > comes in with retroactively converting existing documents
> >
> > I am a strong proponent of open source and have even been accused of
> > evangelicalizing at times. I pushed my extended family to move to
> > OpenOffice years ago, as I did.
> >
> > Having said that, however, we need to be careful when we talk about
> > costs. There certainly will be a cost involved in such a conversion,
> > not in the cost of the format or of the software to produce documents
> > in that format, but in terms of training. Like it or not, there are
> > differences in the applications that support open formats and those
> > that don't and those differences will have to be trained before users
> > are fully accepting of the new applications and their new formats.
> >
> > I just needed to point that one out.
> >
> > We did not stay for our actual caucus last night as our kids would
> > have melted. I'm not aware of any discussion in that regard either,
> > but I applaud you for bringing it up and am excited that your
> > resolution passed.
> >
> > --
> > Brian D. Ropers-Huilman
> >
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> 
> -- 
> Website of the week:
> http://www.ubuntu.com/
> 
> The Free Alternative to M$ Office:
> http://www.openoffice.org
> 
> My Blog:
> http://troythetechguy.blogspot.com
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:46:15 -0600 (CST)
> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] sudo
> To: Andy Schmid <andyschmid at gmail.com>
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0802060841101.6955 at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
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> On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Andy Schmid wrote:
> 
> > On Feb 5, 2008 5:11 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, Dave.  Very interesting.  How about:  A random string is the
> >> hardest password to guess.
> >
> >
> > I disagree.  There is the chance (albeit very slim to none) that a 
> > random string can produce a password such as '1234', which can be easily 
> > cracked.
> 
> I thought about that too, but the thing is, if the wouldbe cracker knows 
> that it is a random string (and he would know if that was the design of 
> the system), there will be no benefit to his guessing first things like 
> "1234," but if he knows that you have disallowed things like "1234", then 
> you have helped him by cutting back on the number of things he must guess.
> 
> So when using random strings you would *not* want to have rules like "must 
> include both upper case lower case letters, digits and non-alphanumeric 
> characters," because that rule would help a brute-force attacker.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:58:20 -0600
> From: "Andy Schmid" <andyschmid at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] sudo
> To: "Mike Miller" <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID:
> 	<7b7c42a30802060658k19c7d285ya357f7ffa4b5dd4b at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> On Feb 6, 2008 8:46 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Andy Schmid wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 5, 2008 5:11 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thanks, Dave.  Very interesting.  How about:  A random string is the
> > >> hardest password to guess.
> > >
> > >
> > > I disagree.  There is the chance (albeit very slim to none) that a
> > > random string can produce a password such as '1234', which can be easily
> > > cracked.
> >
> > I thought about that too, but the thing is, if the wouldbe cracker knows
> > that it is a random string (and he would know if that was the design of
> > the system), there will be no benefit to his guessing first things like
> > "1234," but if he knows that you have disallowed things like "1234", then
> > you have helped him by cutting back on the number of things he must guess.
> >
> > So when using random strings you would *not* want to have rules like "must
> > include both upper case lower case letters, digits and non-alphanumeric
> > characters," because that rule would help a brute-force attacker.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> 
> This is a good point.  But most brute force attacks are done using common
> passwords across many hosts (typically from worms).  If you have constraints
> put in place that are wide enough, the number of password permutations is
> still astronomical, with the chance of weak passwords being produced
> eliminated.  Though, its a good idea all around to disable login access for
> the root account, as well as any other accounts you do not want logging in.
> 
> Andy
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:32:50 -0600 (CST)
> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] sudo
> To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0802061031030.450 at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
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> On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Andy Schmid wrote:
> 
> > Though, its a good idea all around to disable login access for the root 
> > account, as well as any other accounts you do not want logging in.
> 
> Yep.  I understand that concept.  I like to become root sometimes, but I 
> like the idea of sudo logging, so maybe I'd try to do things that way.
> 
> I'm still mostly on Solaris (sparc) right now but it is time for a change!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:35:42 -0600
> From: Steve Cayford <strayf at freeshell.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Open standards for government documents
> To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <47A9E1DE.2020302 at freeshell.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> Tony Yarusso wrote:
> > [...]
> > I was wondering if anyone else had similar resolutions brought up in 
> > their precinct, and if so, what was the result?  The only concern raised 
> > against mine was wondering what the potential cost would be, although I 
> > think we have a solid argument there in that it would cost essentially 
> > nothing to implement open formats in a forward-only manner, and the real 
> > cost only comes in with retroactively converting existing documents (and 
> > the prioritization of my resolution was worded accordingly), and 
> > regardless would be far less than the cost of trying to recover data 
> > after a vendor went bankrupt, changed its terms, or any other similar 
> > drastic blocking event to current documents.
> > [...]
> 
> Our precinct did not have time to go through all the resolutions and they 
> had to be passed along to the senate district conference en masse. So I 
> don't know what all the resolutions contained. I should have included a 
> resolution like that myself, but didn't think of it.
> 
> As far as the cost... won't the older documents have to be converted to 
> something else at some point anyway? It seems like converting to an open 
> format could actually be cheaper than converting to Microsoft's next 
> document format.
> 
> -Steve
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:55:22 -0600
> From: "Troy.A Johnson" <troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Open standards for government documents
> To: "Tony Yarusso" <tonyyarusso at gmail.com>,	"Brian D. Ropers-Huilman"
> 	<brian at ropers-huilman.net>
> Cc: ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com, tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <47A99218.9048.009E.0 at health.state.mn.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> >>> On 2/6/2008 at 6:52 AM, in message
> <f0e11c480802060452w610f72adr5601abbb61cce2c at mail.gmail.com>, "Brian D.
> Ropers-Huilman" <brian at ropers-huilman.net> wrote:
> > On Feb 6, 2008 12:26 AM, Tony Yarusso <tonyyarusso at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> As noted on my blog, I attended my caucus tonight, and decided to present a
> >> resolution for mandating the use of ISO-approved open standards for all new
> >> government documents and all being newly converted to electronic form,
> >> I was wondering if anyone else had similar resolutions brought up in their
> >> precinct, and if so, what was the result?  The only concern raised against
> >> mine was wondering what the potential cost would be, although I think we
> >> have a solid argument there in that it would cost essentially nothing to
> >> implement open formats in a forward-only manner, and the real cost only
> >> comes in with retroactively converting existing documents
> ...
> > Having said that, however, we need to be careful when we talk about
> > costs. There certainly will be a cost involved in such a conversion,
> > not in the cost of the format or of the software to produce documents
> > in that format, but in terms of training. Like it or not, there are
> > differences in the applications that support open formats and those
> > that don't and those differences will have to be trained before users
> > are fully accepting of the new applications and their new formats.
> 
> Keep in mind, however, that though some might not need training 
> for new versions of Microsoft Office, many do. And that training costs
> are not limited to initial product roll out. There are many factors to be 
> considered:
> 
> - Initial and ongoing end user training
> - Upgrades and patching
> - Buying, managing, and tracking licenses
> - Researching, interpreting, and compensating for changing licensing terms
> - Negotiating pricing at time of purchase
> 
> All of these take time and should be weighed on the cost side, 
> and I think there may be more. There are some of the same costs 
> for OpenOffice or similar products, but the purchasing and licensing 
> issues go out the window.
> 
> It gets even more expensive if you want to convert documents, 
> for whatever reason. Unannounced, undercover document 
> conversion projects occur with almost every new version of 
> Microsoft Office. They show up in higher numbers of Microsoft 
> Office related trouble tickets, if nowhere else.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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