I need some help with Sabayon Linux 3.3. I have installed it on an IDE 160GB HD. I have an Intel Core2Duo 6600 Processor with 2GB memory, and a Radeon X1950 Pro video card. I also have an Ethernet bridge that picks up my router which is upstairs. I have no problem getting online with Vista or XP Pro. However, with Sabayon Linux and it seems like every other Linux OS, connecting to the Internet is a task I can't figure out. Please advise. Thank you! Dan J. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:00 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 9 Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: FYI - Seagate 500GB Sata drives on sale! (Elvedin Trnjanin) 2. Re: recommendation (Dean E) 3. Re: wireless router with gigabit and separate wifi network? (Munir Nassar) 4. Re: FYI - Seagate 500GB Sata drives on sale! (Matthew S. Hallacy) 5. Re: FYI - Seagate 500GB Sata drives on sale! (Marc Skinner) 6. Re: FYI - Seagate 500GB Sata drives on sale! (Chris Schumann) 7. Re: FYI - Seagate 500GB Sata drives on sale! (Nate Carlson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:32:53 -0500 From: Elvedin Trnjanin <trnja001 at umn.edu> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FYI - Seagate 500GB Sata drives on sale! To: "Troy.A Johnson" <troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us> Cc: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <47041895.6010304 at umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > I bought a couple of the 7200.10 disks recently, but one is clicking a bit. > It works for now, but I see myself using that warranty sometime in the future. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > I always wondered when hard drive manufacturers would start adding support for artificial "hard drive crashing" noises to make users more vigilant for data backup. Looks like Seagate is the industry leader in this respected. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:36:57 -0500 From: Dean E <dean at ripperd.com> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] recommendation To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <47042799.3070906 at ripperd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Marc Skinner wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > admin at lctn.org wrote: >> What is a recommended sata raid adapter, that can handle a 2Tb, raid 5 >> configuration? >> > > i have been using the 8 port Marvell sata2 MG-SA3541 in my home > fileserver. i use software raid-5 to keep the cost down, since i don't > need hardware raid performance. it was $108 for the card! works > awesome with FC6 and gives me 2.4Tb usable. > > i think the question you need to ask, is how many SATA ports do you > require. > > will it be a 3x1 TB setup or 5x500Gb setup? do you require a hot spare? > > i have also used adaptec cards, 3ware, siig, highpoint and promise > controllers over the past serveral years. all are good and have good > Linux support. It really depends on what kind of performance the original poster is looking for, the load profile, and the budget. If you need it to be FAST, go 3ware or Areca, no question about it. Good driver support. Low cpu overhead. All RAID computations are done on a dedicated chip on the pci-x or pci-e bus. Their array monitoring software(at least 3ware's) is quite good also. If you want speed but are on a budget, get regular sata controller(s) and do a kernel raid setup (mdadm). Mdadm can also do scheduled verifies, email on degradation, etc. This is the route I went for my home file-server needs. Just note that your /boot cannot be on a raid0 or 5 partition as most bootloaders don't understand linux kernel raid. You can do it on a raid1 though (mirror). If you want average performance and more headache in linux, get a cheap raid5 controller. They do operations in a slower software driver using your cpu. MDADM is often faster, and is not very complicated to set-up once familiar with it. DMRAID (which is what you use in linux if you use a driver-based raid controller) sometimes can be a pain for people to set up. -Dean ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:05:53 -0400 From: "Munir Nassar" <tclug at beitsahour.net> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] wireless router with gigabit and separate wifi network? To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Message-ID: <fa17c9630710032105r756fb181ydc0a3aa8269ce0e3 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 10/3/07, Jeremy <tclug at lizakowski.com> wrote: > If you're seriously offering, we can do it on Wed the 10th. I just need to > reserve the room. Up for it? i'm up for it. tell me where and when. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:59:26 -0500 From: "Matthew S. Hallacy" <poptix at poptix.net> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FYI - Seagate 500GB Sata drives on sale! To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Message-ID: <4704651E.2040404 at poptix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jonathan Osborne wrote: > Why does a five-year warranty make them great? I own a couple seagates > and they've been good so far. But the warranty doesn't really mean > anything. They probably figured out that if they advertise a five-year > warranty, they'll sell more drives, offsetting (or perhaps even > exceeding) the cost of replacing drives further into the future. We have at least 1,000 Seagate drives in production systems right now. A five year warranty means that Seagate trusts their hardware enough that they won't (on average) have to replace the drive within that period, otherwise they would lose money on it like the 'other' drive makers were before they moved to 1-2 year warranties. Like any company offering a warranty, it's a statement of faith in their product. Seagate has always had a 5 year warranty, it's not a new selling point. > Besides, it's the data that's important, not the drive. And even if > they make good on the warranty 4 1/2 years from now, it'll probably be a > "refurbished" drive anyway. Would you trust that? The 4-4.9 year old 80GB drives we're finally RMA'ing are all coming back new or refurbished, usually as 160GB drives. We trust them just as much as any drive. What does refurbished mean from Seagate? a) Someone RMA'd a drive that was perfectly good but had problems with their SATA controller, bad SATA cable, etc. Who knows. It passed the drive fitness tests at Seagate. b) Bad logic board, Seagate replaces the logic board, the platters are fine. c) Bad platters, Seagate replaces the platters, the logic board is fine. No, I don't work for Seagate but I'm definitely a fan of their products. They're right there with Hitachi when it comes to warranty, RMA service and reliability. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:29:08 -0500 From: Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FYI - Seagate 500GB Sata drives on sale! Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Message-ID: <4704EAA4.4060300 at e-skinner.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I like the fact that I know I will have a working drive for five years. I put my drives in raid sets, so I really don't care if they fail, as long as two don't at the same time, I'm totally functional. With other drives, 1-3 years is more the norm. If one of those drives failed outside of the warranty, I have to shell out more money for a replacement drive. After five years it is typically more economical from a cents per GB, and performance to just purchase a better drive anyway, with Moore's Law and all. I don't have enough data to say I think Seagate drives are "better" then Hitachi, Western Digital or Maxtor (now owned by Seagate), but I just like the fact that I know I can use the drive for 5 years without having to spend any more money. I also don't have any problems with a refurbished drive, as long as it is still under warranty. Just my 2 cents. Jonathan Osborne wrote: > Why does a five-year warranty make them great? I own a couple seagates > and they've been good so far. But the warranty doesn't really mean > anything. They probably figured out that if they advertise a five-year > warranty, they'll sell more drives, offsetting (or perhaps even > exceeding) the cost of replacing drives further into the future. > > Besides, it's the data that's important, not the drive. And even if > they make good on the warranty 4 1/2 years from now, it'll probably be a > "refurbished" drive anyway. Would you trust that? > > > Jonathan Osborne > WHRE Tech Coordinator > p: 612.624.1217 > e: jwo at umn.edu > > Marc Skinner said the following on 10/03/2007 16.03 >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Troy.A Johnson wrote: >>>>>> On 10/3/2007 at 3:12 PM, in message <4703F7C5.40107 at e-skinner.net>, Marc >>> Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote: >>>> Chad Walstrom wrote: >>>>> Is it the 7200.10 series or 7200.9 series. Go for the .10 if you can >>>>> get it. NewEgg.com has the .10 series for $119 as well. >>>>> >>>> yup it is: >>>> Device Model: ST3500630AS >>>> 16mb of cache as well! >>> I bought a couple of the 7200.10 disks recently, but one is clicking a bit. >>> It works for now, but I see myself using that warranty sometime in the future. >>> >> i learned my lesson a long time ago, i don't have any drives in my house >> that aren't raid-1 or raid-5. it is a life saver! i also do backups of >> my most critical data, so far, raid has saved me from ever having to dip >> into a restore. but there will come a time. the seagates are great >> cause they have a 5 year warranty. i know have 10 of those drives, i'll >> see what happens, but so for 6 of them have been running non-stop for >> about 4 months now, the other 4 i just put into servers today. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:04:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris Schumann" <cschumann at twp-llc.com> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FYI - Seagate 500GB Sata drives on sale! To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <58622.192.28.2.17.1191510240.squirrel at alpha.twp-llc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > From: Jonathan Osborne <jwo at umn.edu> > Besides, it's the data that's important, not the drive. And even if > they make good on the warranty 4 1/2 years from now, it'll probably be a > "refurbished" drive anyway. Would you trust that? >From day two, the drives you have are used drives. You get your broken used drive swapped out and a working used drive swapped in. It's just as trustworthy as your other used drives and Seagate backs that up with their warranty. Chris ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:27:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FYI - Seagate 500GB Sata drives on sale! To: Chris Schumann <cschumann at twp-llc.com> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0710041026530.11847 at iron.msp.technicality.org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Chris Schumann wrote: >> Besides, it's the data that's important, not the drive. And even if >> they make good on the warranty 4 1/2 years from now, it'll probably be a >> "refurbished" drive anyway. Would you trust that? > > From day two, the drives you have are used drives. You get your broken > used drive swapped out and a working used drive swapped in. It's just as > trustworthy as your other used drives and Seagate backs that up with > their warranty. I ahave no problem with refurb drives - they have generally been much more heavily tested than new drives. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 34, Issue 9 ***************************************** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.1/1050 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 5:03 PM