From thurianknight at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 07:47:28 2007
From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 07:47:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0702282227410.9100@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2/28/07, Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Dave Sherman wrote:
> > The T1 cards with hardware echo cancellation were a lifesaver for us,
> > not sure if any other manufacturers are producing a card with that
> > feature.
>
> I know Sangoma also makes one. They also do a lot more in hardware (ie -
> the price tag skyrockets).

I'll have to look into those -- any idea how they compare with Digium,
in "bang for the buck"?

> > Can't say much about the FXO/FXS cards from Digium, besides the fact
> > that they work as expected. We have used them for testing, but do not
> > have any in a production server.
>
> Avoid the FXO/FXS cards whenever possible.  :)

Yeah, in our environment, the only place we would use them is for
integration with an older PBX -- which is exactly what we were
testing. We are unable to add a 2nd T1 card to the PBX, so we used a
CO card and connected it to the FXO ports on the Digium card.

> My advice would be to get digital trunks (BRI's or PRI's), and if you need
> FXS ports (for fax machines, door phones, etc), get a channel bank to
> split a T1 into multiple analog lines. If you can't get digital lines, you
> can get channel banks that will let you configure (for example) 16 ports
> as FXO and 8 ports as FXS - so you could plug 16 analog phone lines into
> it, and 8 analog extensions.

If Eric is already spending $300/month or more on 8 analog lines, a
BRI line could be very cost-effective, making this is a good
suggestion.

> > The biggest challenge we've had is with faxing. We ended up bringing in
> > dedicated analog lines from Qwest for our faxes at one installation, but
> > faxes at the other installation are running off Sipura (now Linksys)
> > SIP-to-analog converter boxes, and they seem to work fine -- but they
> > also use the faxes less than the folks who got analog lines.
>
> Have you tried the fax support for Asterisk (or OpenPBX)? I've heard good
> things about it; haven't ever tried it, though.

We tried it (using the latest version of asterisk compiled from
source), but to be honest, hit a wall when Asterisk would core dump
every time a fax came in. Since we were under a bit of time pressure
(to put it mildly), we went the "easy route" and just got a couple of
analog lines from Qwest.

This is something we definitely want to investigate in the near
future, though, since it would save us a bit of cash, and add some
nice functionality to the system. Every DID can become an instant "fax
machine", effectively giving each office user their own personal fax.

> > I do seem to recall reading that having more than one card in a single
> > server can lead to performance issues, because the telephony interface
> > cards tend to generate so many interrupts on the system bus, and they
> > need to run in real time -- if you have too many cards, it will start to
> > show in performance rather quickly.
>
> The Sangoma cards solve this - the cards don't generate a pile of
> interrupts.

Good to know. They must keep a lot of processing in the card itself,
rather than sending it to the CPU, right? Otherwise I can't see how
this would work.

-- 
Dave Sherman
MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.


From david.alitz at charter.net  Thu Mar  1 09:15:33 2007
From: david.alitz at charter.net (Dave Alitz)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:15:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45E6EE15.1070103@charter.net>

We just purchase a Fonality system (too lazy to build an asterisk 
solution myself.)  They're using CentOS with a Sangoma T1/Pri card and 
Rhino channel banks.  They discouraged the use of more than one 
interface card and suggested the channel bank for our FXS ports. (We're 
using a T1 interface for our external connection.)

You might want to consider trixbox (www.trixbox.org) instead of rolling 
your own asterisk server.

Dave Alitz

Eric Peterson wrote:
> I was looking at moving our office to an Asterisk implementation and
> was checking out the cost of the FXO/FXS hardware. I've been looking
> at Digium's hardware, but was wondering if this was the best route to
> take.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> We have six analog phone lines coming in and 8 analog phones connected
> to our current system. The current software isn't great and we can't
> use SIP based phones with it so I'd like to move to something that
> would support more soft phone clients.
>
> Thanks.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>   


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Thu Mar  1 10:12:54 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:12:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30703010547l3bda6481h964358414828b73e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
	<7bdea6e30702281625g4e5cd1e4ud6c9159c666357ee@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703011009400.14121@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dave Sherman wrote:
> I'll have to look into those -- any idea how they compare with Digium, 
> in "bang for the buck"?

Everyone I know who's used the cards love them; unfortunately, that's 
about the extent of my experience.  :(

> If Eric is already spending $300/month or more on 8 analog lines, a BRI 
> line could be very cost-effective, making this is a good suggestion.

Actually, in that case, a PRI would be the route to go.. BRI's are 
old-fashioned ISDN with 2 channels plus signalling; PRI's can have up to 
23 channels (plus one signalling channel.)

> We tried it (using the latest version of asterisk compiled from source), 
> but to be honest, hit a wall when Asterisk would core dump every time a 
> fax came in. Since we were under a bit of time pressure (to put it 
> mildly), we went the "easy route" and just got a couple of analog lines 
> from Qwest.

Nothing wrong with that!  :)

> This is something we definitely want to investigate in the near future, 
> though, since it would save us a bit of cash, and add some nice 
> functionality to the system. Every DID can become an instant "fax 
> machine", effectively giving each office user their own personal fax.

Exactly - and fax via e-mail is much nicer than fax via paper!

> Good to know. They must keep a lot of processing in the card itself, 
> rather than sending it to the CPU, right? Otherwise I can't see how this 
> would work.

Correct - Digium gives you the prices they do by doing a lot of the 
processing on the host CPU; Sangoma does the processing on the card (and 
costs more), but also lets you do more on one box.

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|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From thurianknight at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 10:46:36 2007
From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:46:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703011009400.14121@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
	<7bdea6e30702281625g4e5cd1e4ud6c9159c666357ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0702282227410.9100@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
	<7bdea6e30703010547l3bda6481h964358414828b73e@mail.gmail.com>
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On 3/1/07, Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dave Sherman wrote:
> > If Eric is already spending $300/month or more on 8 analog lines, a BRI
> > line could be very cost-effective, making this is a good suggestion.
>
> Actually, in that case, a PRI would be the route to go.. BRI's are
> old-fashioned ISDN with 2 channels plus signalling; PRI's can have up to
> 23 channels (plus one signalling channel.)

True, but a PRI is gonna cost him about $500/month. Depending on how
busy their phones are, they could "oversubscribe" 8 phones to a
2-channel BRI line, or even get 2 BRI's and have 4 channels available.

Now depending on what they do for Internet access, an integrated T1
could be an ideal solution. Use 6 or 8 channels for voice, and have
the rest for data.

But at this point we have definitely strayed away from his questions
about using Asterisk and Digium hardware :-)
-- 
Dave Sherman
MCSA, MCSE, CCNA
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Thu Mar  1 14:23:05 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:23:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30703010846k31f23f41g17f52580dfeb8adb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
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	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0702282227410.9100@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703011422520.18686@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dave Sherman wrote:
> But at this point we have definitely strayed away from his questions 
> about using Asterisk and Digium hardware :-)

At least it's more on topic than the last thread!  :)

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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 15:03:45 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:03:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: cost of hardware?
In-Reply-To: <7bdea6e30703010846k31f23f41g17f52580dfeb8adb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <579c6fd30702281310x2d9c5cb7pe96b2c22653fdffb@mail.gmail.com>
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	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0702282227410.9100@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
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	<7bdea6e30703010846k31f23f41g17f52580dfeb8adb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30703011303q17f0b826q83c64f77738f0103@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/1/07, Dave Sherman <thurianknight at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/1/07, Nate Carlson <tclug at natecarlson.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dave Sherman wrote:
> > > If Eric is already spending $300/month or more on 8 analog lines, a BRI
> > > line could be very cost-effective, making this is a good suggestion.
> >
> > Actually, in that case, a PRI would be the route to go.. BRI's are
> > old-fashioned ISDN with 2 channels plus signalling; PRI's can have up to
> > 23 channels (plus one signalling channel.)
>
> True, but a PRI is gonna cost him about $500/month. Depending on how
> busy their phones are, they could "oversubscribe" 8 phones to a
> 2-channel BRI line, or even get 2 BRI's and have 4 channels available.
>
> Now depending on what they do for Internet access, an integrated T1
> could be an ideal solution. Use 6 or 8 channels for voice, and have
> the rest for data.


You hit the nail on the head. We have a split T1. We don't need much
bandwidth for what we do and it seems to work OK, but I do wish we had
bigger pipe for ISO downloads and such.


From jhawley at hissingdragon.net  Thu Mar  1 18:48:00 2007
From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:48:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian network install (debootstrap probs)
Message-ID: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>

Hey,

I've got this old HP Pavilion that I'm trying to do a Debian network 
install on.  I've got it PXE booting fine off my tftp server, but when 
it gets to the point of doing the 'base system' install it bombs with a 
debootstrap error that says 'Release file signed by unknown key' and 
won't let me proceed (this is etch).

I realize that there are various ways to fix this on a system that is 
already running, but my options seem limited with the minimal install 
environment here.  Anyone know a work around?  Disable the security?  
Find the proper key?

I should be able to run debootstrap manually from a different tty if I 
knew what the syntax might be.

... something along these lines?
wget http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc (there doesn't seem 
to be a 2007 one.)
debootstrap --keyring=?? ... ??

Thanks,

~jh



From chewie at wookimus.net  Thu Mar  1 20:29:48 2007
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:29:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian network install (debootstrap probs)
In-Reply-To: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>
References: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>
Message-ID: <20070302022948.GA24580@skuld.wookimus.net>

On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 06:48:00PM -0600, John Hawley wrote:
> I realize that there are various ways to fix this on a system that
> is already running, but my options seem limited with the minimal
> install environment here.  Anyone know a work around?  Disable the
> security?  Find the proper key?
> 
> I should be able to run debootstrap manually from a different tty if
> I knew what the syntax might be.

Once you've built your bootstrap directory, chroot into it.  Then do
an "apt-key update".  That should get you going.  Run "apt-get update"
and "apt-get upgrade", and finally "apt-get clean".  Then re-build the
tarball.

-- 
Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net>           http://www.wookimus.net/
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From jhawley at hissingdragon.net  Thu Mar  1 21:52:51 2007
From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:52:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian network install (debootstrap probs)
In-Reply-To: <20070302022948.GA24580@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>
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Message-ID: <45E79F93.6060003@hissingdragon.net>

Chad Walstrom wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 06:48:00PM -0600, John Hawley wrote:
>   
>> I realize that there are various ways to fix this on a system that
>> is already running, but my options seem limited with the minimal
>> install environment here.  Anyone know a work around?  Disable the
>> security?  Find the proper key?
>>
>> I should be able to run debootstrap manually from a different tty if
>> I knew what the syntax might be.
>>     
>
> Once you've built your bootstrap directory, chroot into it.  Then do
> an "apt-key update".  That should get you going.  Run "apt-get update"
> and "apt-get upgrade", and finally "apt-get clean".  Then re-build the
> tarball.
>   
Ahh, I'll have to try that next time.

I already managed to get past the issue by cheating a little.  I used 
wget to get /etc/apt/trusted.gpg from another of my debian machines.  It 
contained the proper key.

~jh


From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 09:47:08 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:47:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] IPCop, FTP server
Message-ID: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>

I have set up a FTP server on my home network.  Internally, I can connect to
it and everything works fine.  From outside, I cannot get to it at all.  I
have been trying to google how I should set up my IPCop firewall, and trying
various things, but I am missing something somewhere.  Any suggestions?

- Joey
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From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 11:20:07 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:20:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
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Found a partial answer:

Charter Communications blocks all the common ports, ie 21 is among them.  So
I changed it to port 4021.  I can connect, but I cannot see the directory
because (I am assuming) port 4020 still is not getting out.  I am getting
the message "425 Can't open data connection".

- Joey

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From: Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com>
Date: Mar 2, 2007 9:47 AM
Subject: IPCop, FTP server
To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>

I have set up a FTP server on my home network.  Internally, I can connect to
it and everything works fine.  From outside, I cannot get to it at all.  I
have been trying to google how I should set up my IPCop firewall, and trying
various things, but I am missing something somewhere.  Any suggestions?

- Joey
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From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 11:38:31 2007
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:38:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0703020920s3e5bc827qd9ab7967d19bfbe8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
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I would just do yourself a favor, forget ftp, and just use 'sftp' (its
part of your ssh server).

Then you only have to worry about opening up the ssh port.

man sftp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_file_transfer_protocol

ftp can be a pain - but if you really need it, this might help:
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ftp.html

Dan

On 3/2/07, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> Found a partial answer:
>
> Charter Communications blocks all the common ports, ie 21 is among them.  So
> I changed it to port 4021.  I can connect, but I cannot see the directory
> because (I am assuming) port 4020 still is not getting out.  I am getting
> the message "425 Can't open data connection".
>
> - Joey
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com>
>  Date: Mar 2, 2007 9:47 AM
> Subject: IPCop, FTP server
> To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>
> I have set up a FTP server on my home network.  Internally, I can connect to
> it and everything works fine.  From outside, I cannot get to it at all.  I
> have been trying to google how I should set up my IPCop firewall, and trying
> various things, but I am missing something somewhere.  Any suggestions?
>
> - Joey
>
> _______________________________________________
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 11:52:12 2007
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:52:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <82f04dc40703020938i3b9f565bs342bd1b3de78a6ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<101e49ea0703020920s3e5bc827qd9ab7967d19bfbe8@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <e3a54b020703020952v585e00f4x36cc9fab328be6aa@mail.gmail.com>

I'd have to agree with Dan there. FileZilla and WinSCP clients are
great Windows clients for SFTP/SCP. I always use the command line on
Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.

Have you tried setting your FTP client to passive mode?

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
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From dru at druswanderings.net  Fri Mar  2 12:08:37 2007
From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:08:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020703020952v585e00f4x36cc9fab328be6aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>	<101e49ea0703020920s3e5bc827qd9ab7967d19bfbe8@mail.gmail.com>	<82f04dc40703020938i3b9f565bs342bd1b3de78a6ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<e3a54b020703020952v585e00f4x36cc9fab328be6aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>

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Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> I always use the command line on
> Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.

Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote ssh.
It's just drag and drop from there.

Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.

- --
Andy Moore
The Wandering Dru             GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F
http://www.druswanderings.net

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From auditodd at comcast.net  Fri Mar  2 13:57:52 2007
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:57:52 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Roll your own laptop battery
Message-ID: <030220071957.11515.45E881C00009986400002CFB22070206530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

I thought this might be useful to people as a lot of us use older machines....

http://www.summet.com/blog/2007/02/17/laptop-battery-refill/

--
==========
Todd Young


From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com  Fri Mar  2 15:22:22 2007
From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A (MN14))
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:22:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA3F3B3134B63643A9BCE9BB74F58FEC01EE63F9@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com>

Did you remember to configure your cable/dsl router to fwd requests from
the internet to your ftp server's NAT'ed ip address?  
 
Often that can be done with a web browser pointed to your "dot one"
address, eg 192.168.0.1  - see my example screenshots using an
Actiontech 1520 DSL modem at
http://craiggae.dyndns.org/actiontec/HOWTO.html
 
While's you're at it, you might want to accept ssh too (be sure to keep
your ftpd and sshd updated with the latest security patches).
 
 

________________________________

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Joey Rockhold
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 09:47
To: TCLUG List
Subject: [tclug-list] IPCop, FTP server


I have set up a FTP server on my home network.  Internally, I can
connect to it and everything works fine.  From outside, I cannot get to
it at all.  I have been trying to google how I should set up my IPCop
firewall, and trying various things, but I am missing something
somewhere.  Any suggestions? 

- Joey

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From josh at tcbug.org  Sat Mar  3 11:17:59 2007
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:17:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<e3a54b020703020952v585e00f4x36cc9fab328be6aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>
Message-ID: <200703031117.59906.josh@tcbug.org>

On Friday 02 March 2007 12:08, The Wandering Dru wrote:
> Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> > I always use the command line on
> > Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.
>
> Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote
> ssh. It's just drag and drop from there.
>
> Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.

While I agree that sftp is a better choice, mainly because it plays 
nicer with NAT and doesn't throw plain-text passwords around, there 
are situations where FTP is still needed....so I'll actually answer 
your question.

FTP runs over two ports, a command port and a data port.  So far all 
you've been dealing with is the command port, which is why clients 
can connect but not actually do anything.  To make things worse, 
passive FTP, which is the default for almost every client out there 
these days, has one more nasty trick up it's sleeve.  In passive FTP 
the client connects in on a random high port for data that is agreed 
upon between the client and server over the command 
channel....unfortunately, unless you are running something like 
connectrac w/ iptables or punch_fw for ipfw the NAT implimentation 
has no way of knowing which port to expect this connection on.  So 
you end up with a situation like this...

client connects to server on command port which is punched through the 
NAT and says, I'd like to do a ls.  Server replies back, ok, let's do 
that over port, uhmmm, well, let's use 10584.  Client says ok, and 
tries to connect in....at that point your router sees a brand new 
connection coming in to port 10584 and has no clue what to do with 
it, so it gets dropped.

The solution is to limit the range of data ports your FTPd can use (by 
default they use 1024 - 65535) and forward those through the router 
as well....most decent FTPd's have some sort of PassiveMaxPort and 
PassiveMinPort directive in them.  You'll also need to tell it to use 
your WAN IP for passive connections....the name for this setting 
varies.  Your other option is to run a NAT implimentation that can do 
connectrac or punch_fw.
-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Sat Mar  3 14:09:09 2007
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:09:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <200703031117.59906.josh@tcbug.org>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>
	<200703031117.59906.josh@tcbug.org>
Message-ID: <200703031409.10318.jus@krytosvirus.com>

This is very nice and gives great visual representations of FTP communications 
in passive and active modes.

http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html

On Saturday 03 March 2007 11:17, Josh Paetzel wrote:
> On Friday 02 March 2007 12:08, The Wandering Dru wrote:
> > Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> > > I always use the command line on
> > > Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.
> >
> > Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote
> > ssh. It's just drag and drop from there.
> >
> > Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.
>
> While I agree that sftp is a better choice, mainly because it plays
> nicer with NAT and doesn't throw plain-text passwords around, there
> are situations where FTP is still needed....so I'll actually answer
> your question.
>
> FTP runs over two ports, a command port and a data port.  So far all
> you've been dealing with is the command port, which is why clients
> can connect but not actually do anything.  To make things worse,
> passive FTP, which is the default for almost every client out there
> these days, has one more nasty trick up it's sleeve.  In passive FTP
> the client connects in on a random high port for data that is agreed
> upon between the client and server over the command
> channel....unfortunately, unless you are running something like
> connectrac w/ iptables or punch_fw for ipfw the NAT implimentation
> has no way of knowing which port to expect this connection on.  So
> you end up with a situation like this...
>
> client connects to server on command port which is punched through the
> NAT and says, I'd like to do a ls.  Server replies back, ok, let's do
> that over port, uhmmm, well, let's use 10584.  Client says ok, and
> tries to connect in....at that point your router sees a brand new
> connection coming in to port 10584 and has no clue what to do with
> it, so it gets dropped.
>
> The solution is to limit the range of data ports your FTPd can use (by
> default they use 1024 - 65535) and forward those through the router
> as well....most decent FTPd's have some sort of PassiveMaxPort and
> PassiveMinPort directive in them.  You'll also need to tell it to use
> your WAN IP for passive connections....the name for this setting
> varies.  Your other option is to run a NAT implimentation that can do
> connectrac or punch_fw.


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar  3 16:11:24 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:11:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703032211.l23MBOq05611@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

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Asus K7V mainboard,CD ROM,Floppy Drive
256 MB ram,as 2 x 128 PC 100 Sync
Matrox G450 16MB agp video card.
firewire 3 port card.SMC PCI 10/100 NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory <money always an option>, other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar  3 16:14:04 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:14:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703032214.l23ME4807251@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar  3 16:16:32 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar  3 16:20:01 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar  3 16:18:14 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:09:09 -0600
From: Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703031409.10318.jus at krytosvirus.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"

This is very nice and gives great visual representations of FTP communications 
in passive and active modes.

http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html

On Saturday 03 March 2007 11:17, Josh Paetzel wrote:
> On Friday 02 March 2007 12:08, The Wandering Dru wrote:
> > Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> > > I always use the command line on
> > > Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.
> >
> > Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote
> > ssh. It's just drag and drop from there.
> >
> > Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.
>
> While I agree that sftp is a better choice, mainly because it plays
> nicer with NAT and doesn't throw plain-text passwords around, there
> are situations where FTP is still needed....so I'll actually answer
> your question.
>
> FTP runs over two ports, a command port and a data port.  So far all
> you've been dealing with is the command port, which is why clients
> can connect but not actually do anything.  To make things worse,
> passive FTP, which is the default for almost every client out there
> these days, has one more nasty trick up it's sleeve.  In passive FTP
> the client connects in on a random high port for data that is agreed
> upon between the client and server over the command
> channel....unfortunately, unless you are running something like
> connectrac w/ iptables or punch_fw for ipfw the NAT implimentation
> has no way of knowing which port to expect this connection on.  So
> you end up with a situation like this...
>
> client connects to server on command port which is punched through the
> NAT and says, I'd like to do a ls.  Server replies back, ok, let's do
> that over port, uhmmm, well, let's use 10584.  Client says ok, and
> tries to connect in....at that point your router sees a brand new
> connection coming in to port 10584 and has no clue what to do with
> it, so it gets dropped.
>
> The solution is to limit the range of data ports your FTPd can use (by
> default they use 1024 - 65535) and forward those through the router
> as well....most decent FTPd's have some sort of PassiveMaxPort and
> PassiveMinPort directive in them.  You'll also need to tell it to use
> your WAN IP for passive connections....the name for this setting
> varies.  Your other option is to run a NAT implimentation that can do
> connectrac or punch_fw.



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:11:24 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032211.l23MBOq05611 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

1st of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.SlotA 750Athlon
Asus K7V mainboard,CD ROM,Floppy Drive
256 MB ram,as 2 x 128 PC 100 Sync
Matrox G450 16MB agp video card.
firewire 3 port card.SMC PCI 10/100 NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory <money always an option>, other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:14:04 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032214.l23ME4807251 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




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*****************************************
This is very nice and gives great visual representations of FTP communications 
in passive and active modes.

http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html

On Saturday 03 March 2007 11:17, Josh Paetzel wrote:
> On Friday 02 March 2007 12:08, The Wandering Dru wrote:
> > Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> > > I always use the command line on
> > > Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.
> >
> > Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote
> > ssh. It's just drag and drop from there.
> >
> > Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.
>
> While I agree that sftp is a better choice, mainly because it plays
> nicer with NAT and doesn't throw plain-text passwords around, there
> are situations where FTP is still needed....so I'll actually answer
> your question.
>
> FTP runs over two ports, a command port and a data port.  So far all
> you've been dealing with is the command port, which is why clients
> can connect but not actually do anything.  To make things worse,
> passive FTP, which is the default for almost every client out there
> these days, has one more nasty trick up it's sleeve.  In passive FTP
> the client connects in on a random high port for data that is agreed
> upon between the client and server over the command
> channel....unfortunately, unless you are running something like
> connectrac w/ iptables or punch_fw for ipfw the NAT implimentation
> has no way of knowing which port to expect this connection on.  So
> you end up with a situation like this...
>
> client connects to server on command port which is punched through the
> NAT and says, I'd like to do a ls.  Server replies back, ok, let's do
> that over port, uhmmm, well, let's use 10584.  Client says ok, and
> tries to connect in....at that point your router sees a brand new
> connection coming in to port 10584 and has no clue what to do with
> it, so it gets dropped.
>
> The solution is to limit the range of data ports your FTPd can use (by
> default they use 1024 - 65535) and forward those through the router
> as well....most decent FTPd's have some sort of PassiveMaxPort and
> PassiveMinPort directive in them.  You'll also need to tell it to use
> your WAN IP for passive connections....the name for this setting
> varies.  Your other option is to run a NAT implimentation that can do
> connectrac or punch_fw.



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:11:24 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032211.l23MBOq05611 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

1st of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.SlotA 750Athlon
Asus K7V mainboard,CD ROM,Floppy Drive
256 MB ram,as 2 x 128 PC 100 Sync
Matrox G450 16MB agp video card.
firewire 3 port card.SMC PCI 10/100 NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory <money always an option>, other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:14:04 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032214.l23ME4807251 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

1st of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.SlotA 750Athlon
Asus K7V mainboard,CD ROM,Floppy Drive
256 MB ram,as 2 x 128 PC 100 Sync
Matrox G450 16MB agp video card.
firewire 3 port card.SMC PCI 10/100 NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory <money always an option>, other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:14:04 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032214.l23ME4807251 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
1st of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.SlotA 750Athlon
Asus K7V mainboard,CD ROM,Floppy Drive
256 MB ram,as 2 x 128 PC 100 Sync
Matrox G450 16MB agp video card.
firewire 3 port card.SMC PCI 10/100 NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory <money always an option>, other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:14:04 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032214.l23ME4807251 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
2nd of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.Intel P-3 800 EB CPU
Soyo 7VBA133 Mainboard
ATI AGP video card with coax in
256MB PC133 sdram as 1 x 256MB
3 Com 905B PCI NIC.CDROM,Floppy.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:16:32 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032216.l23MGWO08193 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
3rd of 5 system.Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL mainboard. 700 mhz p-3
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
ATI agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:20:01 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032220.l23MK1n10302 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:18:14 -0600
From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <200703032218.l23MIEw09364 at crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: computer for trade or sale

4th of 5 systems. Generic whitebox computer.
Iwill VD133PL motherboard. P3-933EB mhz
256 mb pc 133 ram as 1 x 256MB
NVIDIA agp video card.
cdrom.netgear 10/100 PCI NIC
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 6
*****************************************
5th of 5 systems. Compaq Small Form Factor Computer.
Compaq DeskPro EN P3-1000
256 MB PC133 RAM as 2 x 128 MB
CDROM. Onboard NIC, onboard Video.
no hard drive.
looking to trade for larger ide or scsi hd or ddr memory , other trade offers welcome

Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi




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From danbsmith at comcast.net  Sun Mar  4 23:57:54 2007
From: danbsmith at comcast.net (Dan Smith)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:57:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
Message-ID: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>

Hey guys,

I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a 
"Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any 
helpfull links that would be great.

Thanks!..

Dan


From brockn at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 00:09:33 2007
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:09:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>

I used this when setting up a temp lab a few years ago:

http://www.ltsp.org/

Brock


On 3/4/07, Dan Smith <danbsmith at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a
> "Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any
> helpfull links that would be great.
>
> Thanks!..
>
> Dan
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 00:55:22 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:55:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

> On 3/4/07, Dan Smith <danbsmith at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a 
>> "Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any 
>> helpfull links that would be great.


Have you tried VNC?  I use that a lot and like it.

Mike


From slushpupie at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 07:43:09 2007
From: slushpupie at gmail.com ( )
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 07:43:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian network install (debootstrap probs)
In-Reply-To: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>
References: <45E77440.7010509@hissingdragon.net>
Message-ID: <ace41e70703050543n3d2e99e4wf744b2ae6cf2e845@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/1/07, John Hawley <jhawley at hissingdragon.net> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I've got this old HP Pavilion that I'm trying to do a Debian network
> install on.  I've got it PXE booting fine off my tftp server, but when
> it gets to the point of doing the 'base system' install it bombs with a
> debootstrap error that says 'Release file signed by unknown key' and
> won't let me proceed (this is etch).
>
> I realize that there are various ways to fix this on a system that is
> already running, but my options seem limited with the minimal install
> environment here.  Anyone know a work around?  Disable the security?
> Find the proper key?
>
> I should be able to run debootstrap manually from a different tty if I
> knew what the syntax might be.
>
> ... something along these lines?
> wget http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc (there doesn't seem
> to be a 2007 one.)
> debootstrap --keyring=?? ... ??


I ran into a problem like this recently.  My nfsroot (that was used
for performing the install) had root squash on like normal, but the
keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg) was root owned with restrictive
permissions, so the client could not read it.

Jay


-- 
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http://www.slushpupie.com/


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Mar  5 07:47:42 2007
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 07:47:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>

>> On 3/4/07, Dan Smith <danbsmith at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a
>>> "Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any
>>> helpfull links that would be great.
>
>
> Have you tried VNC?  I use that a lot and like it.
>
> Mike
>

Xvnc Terminal Server
http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xvnc/



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 10:05:13 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:05:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>   
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>   
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051002551.9985@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Justin Krejci wrote:

>>> On 3/4/07, Dan Smith <danbsmith at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a
>>>> "Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any
>>>> helpfull links that would be great.
>>
>>
>> Have you tried VNC?  I use that a lot and like it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Xvnc Terminal Server
> http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xvnc/


That's for TightVNC.  I've been using RealVNC.  I don't know which is 
better for which purposes and why.  There is an pay version of RealVNC 
that adds a few bells and whistles (like encryption) to the GPL version.

Mike


From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Mon Mar  5 10:57:16 2007
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:57:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <45EBF756.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>

>>> On 3/5/2007 at 7:47 AM, in message
<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel at www.krytosvirus.com>, "Justin Krejci"
<jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>> > On 3/4/07, Dan Smith <danbsmith at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>> I was just wondering if there is a relatively easy way to setup a
>>>> "Terminal Server" in Linux.  I am a gui bread kid so, if anyone has any
>>>> helpfull links that would be great.
>>
>> Have you tried VNC?  I use that a lot and like it.
>> Mike
> 
> Xvnc Terminal Server
> http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xvnc/ 

A less gentoo-centric (nothing against gentoo) is here:

  http://faq.gotomyvnc.com/fom-serve/cache/57.html 

but there are lots of hits on Google for "vnc inetd":

  http://www.google.com/search?q=vnc+inetd

Good luck!

Troy





From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 12:35:27 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:35:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <45EBF756.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
	<45EBF756.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051231580.9985@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Troy.A Johnson wrote:

> but there are lots of hits on Google for "vnc inetd":
>
>  http://www.google.com/search?q=vnc+inetd


What is the advantage of inetd?  Is it that it creates a new VNC session 
if none exists?  Does it work in the ordinary VNC way if the VNC session 
is already running?

I just skip the inetd business and start VNC from an SSH prompt command 
line.  Once it is running, I connect in the usual VNC way.  I've had one 
session running for 500 days on a Solaris box.  It was ultimately 
interrupted by a power failure.

By the way, autocutsel is helpful for use with VNC and I recommend it.

Mike


From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Mon Mar  5 13:07:21 2007
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:07:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051231580.9985@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
	<45EBF756.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051231580.9985@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <45EC15D3.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>

>>> On 3/5/2007 at 12:35 PM, in message
<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051231580.9985 at taxa.epi.umn.edu>, Mike Miller
<mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Troy.A Johnson wrote:
>> but there are lots of hits on Google for "vnc inetd":
>>  http://www.google.com/search?q=vnc+inetd 
> 
> What is the advantage of inetd?  Is it that it creates a new VNC session 
> if none exists?  Does it work in the ordinary VNC way if the VNC session 
> is already running?
> I just skip the inetd business and start VNC from an SSH prompt command 
> line.  Once it is running, I connect in the usual VNC way.  I've had one 
> session running for 500 days on a Solaris box.  It was ultimately 
> interrupted by a power failure.
> By the way, autocutsel is helpful for use with VNC and I recommend it.
> Mike

You would use the VNC over SSH tunnel 
option (and I do) if you want to keep 
it simple (and I do). 

If you want it to act like a Terminal 
Server, and create new sessions for 
users as they connect (and hopefully
go away when they log out), the inetd 
option is a reasonably simple way to 
do it.

Troy






From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 13:51:54 2007
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:51:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal Server in linux?
In-Reply-To: <45EC15D3.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
References: <45EBB162.5040002@comcast.net>
	<741dcbb80703042209y1671e4bv36e64d4afc148318@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703050054490.27696@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<2102.216.17.75.74.1173102462.squirrel@www.krytosvirus.com>
	<45EBF756.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051231580.9985@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<45EC15D3.9190.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0703051347261.19448@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Troy.A Johnson wrote:

> Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>
>> What is the advantage of inetd?  Is it that it creates a new VNC 
>> session if none exists?  Does it work in the ordinary VNC way if the 
>> VNC session is already running?
>>
>> I just skip the inetd business and start VNC from an SSH prompt command 
>> line.  Once it is running, I connect in the usual VNC way.  I've had 
>> one session running for 500 days on a Solaris box.  It was ultimately 
>> interrupted by a power failure.
>
> You would use the VNC over SSH tunnel option (and I do) if you want to 
> keep it simple (and I do).

Are you saying that with inetd you can automate the ssh tunneling part of 
the login process?  That would be very cool.  Getting the tunneling set up 
is always an annoyance.


> If you want it to act like a Terminal Server, and create new sessions 
> for users as they connect (and hopefully go away when they log out), the 
> inetd option is a reasonably simple way to do it.

I get that now.  So terminal server isn't persistent -- the session dies 
when you log out.

For those unfamiliar with VNC:  One of the coolest things about it is that 
you can maintain a session, the state of which is stored on the server. 
If your connection is killed or you just want to go work from a different 
machine (e.g., at home, at the office, in the library, in a different 
city), you can just connect again and you will see that everything is 
exactly where you left it, your cursor blinking in the same place in the 
same window, etc.

Mike


From mbditt at plauditdesign.com  Mon Mar  5 14:16:47 2007
From: mbditt at plauditdesign.com (Matt Dittbenner)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:16:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: Hardware recommendations.
Message-ID: <45EC7AAF.1090304@plauditdesign.com>

I've been watching the recent thread regarding Asterisk hardware. A 
small company I work for is looking to implement an Asterisk server to 
allow us to work off-site, yet still be reachable. We would like to have 
4 lines that forward over to mobile phones if they are not answered.

I am looking for some hardware recommendations, and possibly common 
pitfalls we might encounter attempting this setup.

The machine will not likely be dedicated to Asterisk. Specs are:

    * CPU: Athlon64 3000+
    * Memory: 1GB
    * MoBo: Asus K8N

We have been looking at the Digium TDM-400, and the Sangoma A200. Are 
there any recommendations as to which of these would be preferred and 
why? Additionally, if you would recommend other hardware, we are open to 
suggestions.

Any help is greatly appreciated and I can provide more info if needed. 
Thanks all!

    -Matt
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From jwreese0 at comcast.net  Mon Mar  5 20:05:24 2007
From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:05:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal server in Linux?
Message-ID: <1173146724.3742.8.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net>

Interesting topic.

Check out the Skolelinux project. There's a write-up at the Free
Software -Europe site:

http://www.fsfeurope.org/projects/education/tgs/tagatschool8.en.html

Notes on Skolelinux I stole from a different site:
Description: Skolelinux is the Debian-edu project's Custom Debian
Distribution (CDD) in development. It is aiming to provide an
out-of-the-box localised environment tailored for schools and
universities. The out-of-the-box environment comes with 75 applications
aimed at schools, as well as 15 network services pre-configured for a
school environment. The simple, three-question installation requires
minimal technical knowledge. Skolelinux is Debian, which means, among
other things, that there are no license costs or worries, and that
upgrade and maintenance of the software can be done over the Internet
with the power of Debian's apt-get. The core goals of Skolelinux are
localisation and ease of system administration.


Not technical enough? Check out the FreeNX -> Nomachine project. Looks
way cool. This is pretty exciting stuff
. 
FreeNX write-up:
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/02/09/freenx.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Powerful+Remote+X+Displays+with+

Nomachine: 
http://www.nomachine.com/

John Reese



From trnja001 at umn.edu  Mon Mar  5 22:33:02 2007
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:33:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
Message-ID: <45ECEEFE.7000700@umn.edu>

Hi all, I just have a few questions about the meetings. I think most of 
us have noticed a lack of meetings in the last two years, I'd say. The 
last one I've attended was in summer of 2005, a presentation about some 
of the SUSE products. Certainly, many things have happened since then 
that could be talked about so I was wondering why there hasn't been a 
meeting recently. I've looked through a few months in the list archive 
but didn't find any discussion about this.

Is finding a place to host the meeting, lack of presenters or even lack 
of interest in general the reason for meetings not being organized? 
Anyway, hope to see everyone at a meeting soon.


From tclug at lizakowski.com  Mon Mar  5 23:07:49 2007
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:07:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <45ECEEFE.7000700@umn.edu>
References: <45ECEEFE.7000700@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <200703052307.49526.tclug@lizakowski.com>


Yes, we are currently planning the next meeting and installfest.  One 
challenge is finding a location for the installfest.  If you know of a 
suitable space available, please let us know.  

Jeremy

On Monday 05 March 2007 10:33 pm, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
> Hi all, I just have a few questions about the meetings. I think most of
> us have noticed a lack of meetings in the last two years, I'd say. The
> last one I've attended was in summer of 2005, a presentation about some
> of the SUSE products. Certainly, many things have happened since then
> that could be talked about so I was wondering why there hasn't been a
> meeting recently. I've looked through a few months in the list archive
> but didn't find any discussion about this.
>
> Is finding a place to host the meeting, lack of presenters or even lack
> of interest in general the reason for meetings not being organized?
> Anyway, hope to see everyone at a meeting soon.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From j at cruit.net  Mon Mar  5 14:52:58 2007
From: j at cruit.net (J Cruit)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:52:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: Hardware recommendations.
In-Reply-To: <45EC7AAF.1090304@plauditdesign.com>
References: <45EC7AAF.1090304@plauditdesign.com>
Message-ID: <45EC832A.2060208@cruit.net>

Just an FYI, I've used Voicepulse Connect which is a VOIP provider so no 
hardware is actually needed.  They give you 4 lines by default for 11$ a 
month per phone number plus long distance charges for outgoing calls at 
something around .0002 to .0008 cents a minutes.  I've had good success 
with them and they are not only very Asterisk friendly they even have a 
built in script in Trixbox to set them up.

My box was very similar in configuration and I was hovering around 1% 
utilization most of the time.  But I can't help with the specific cards 
as again, I used that VOIP provider.

--j

Matt Dittbenner wrote:
> I've been watching the recent thread regarding Asterisk hardware. A 
> small company I work for is looking to implement an Asterisk server to 
> allow us to work off-site, yet still be reachable. We would like to 
> have 4 lines that forward over to mobile phones if they are not answered.
>
> I am looking for some hardware recommendations, and possibly common 
> pitfalls we might encounter attempting this setup.
>
> The machine will not likely be dedicated to Asterisk. Specs are:
>
>     * CPU: Athlon64 3000+
>     * Memory: 1GB
>     * MoBo: Asus K8N
>
> We have been looking at the Digium TDM-400, and the Sangoma A200. Are 
> there any recommendations as to which of these would be preferred and 
> why? Additionally, if you would recommend other hardware, we are open 
> to suggestions.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated and I can provide more info if needed. 
> Thanks all!
>
>     -Matt
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   



From erikerik at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 09:46:46 2007
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:46:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: Hardware recommendations.
In-Reply-To: <45EC832A.2060208@cruit.net>
References: <45EC7AAF.1090304@plauditdesign.com> <45EC832A.2060208@cruit.net>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0703060746u7f3a32acw514abda5a6992d9a@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/07, J Cruit <j at cruit.net> wrote:
> Just an FYI, I've used Voicepulse Connect which is a VOIP provider so no
> hardware is actually needed.  They give you 4 lines by default for 11$ a
> month per phone number plus long distance charges for outgoing calls at
> something around .0002 to .0008 cents a minutes.

Seems like you may have a decimal point error here.  From Voicepulse's
website[1]:

"However, all of our rates are between half-a-cent ($0.005) and $0.019."

IIRC, a similar error got Verizon in a bunch of hot water recently.

;-)

-Erik

[1] http://connect.voicepulse.com/Rates.aspx


From trnja001 at umn.edu  Tue Mar  6 12:05:04 2007
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:05:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <200703052307.49526.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <45ECEEFE.7000700@umn.edu>
	<200703052307.49526.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>

I don't know how much space is required for an installfest but the 
lecture rooms at the UMN EECS building are good for the meetings. The 
halls by the lecture rooms might have enough space for all the tables, 
depending on how many people show up.

Jeremy wrote:
> Yes, we are currently planning the next meeting and installfest.  One 
> challenge is finding a location for the installfest.  If you know of a 
> suitable space available, please let us know.  
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Monday 05 March 2007 10:33 pm, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
>   
>> Hi all, I just have a few questions about the meetings. I think most of
>> us have noticed a lack of meetings in the last two years, I'd say. The
>> last one I've attended was in summer of 2005, a presentation about some
>> of the SUSE products. Certainly, many things have happened since then
>> that could be talked about so I was wondering why there hasn't been a
>> meeting recently. I've looked through a few months in the list archive
>> but didn't find any discussion about this.
>>
>> Is finding a place to host the meeting, lack of presenters or even lack
>> of interest in general the reason for meetings not being organized?
>> Anyway, hope to see everyone at a meeting soon.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  6 12:26:13 2007
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:26:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEOLCGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Elvedin Trnjanin
>
>
> I don't know how much space is required for an installfest but the
> lecture rooms at the UMN EECS building are good for the meetings. The
> halls by the lecture rooms might have enough space for all
> the tables,
> depending on how many people show up.

UMN is a site I avoid since parking is such a hassle.
Worse for installfests when folks stay longer.

Most anywhere else would be better for meetings, IMHO.


Chuck





From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 12:29:04 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:29:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <200703031409.10318.jus@krytosvirus.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>
	<200703031117.59906.josh@tcbug.org>
	<200703031409.10318.jus@krytosvirus.com>
Message-ID: <101e49ea0703061029v46c5eccfndfa62a0ba9a2b6d5@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone for the help, especially Josh Paetzel, who actually tried
to answer the original question.  I was trying not to admit this FTP server
is on a Windows 2003 box, so I just kept plugging away and trying.  Never
did figure it out.  So I am going to install VMWare server and within that
set up a minimal linux server.  That I know how to do.

- Joey

On 3/3/07, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>
> This is very nice and gives great visual representations of FTP
> communications
> in passive and active modes.
>
> http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html
>
> On Saturday 03 March 2007 11:17, Josh Paetzel wrote:
> > On Friday 02 March 2007 12:08, The Wandering Dru wrote:
> > > Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> > > > I always use the command line on
> > > > Linux, but there has to be a GUI client somewhere.
> > >
> > > Both Konqueror and Nautilus have the ability to connect to remote
> > > ssh. It's just drag and drop from there.
> > >
> > > Most linux ftp clients I've seen can do scp as well.
> >
> > While I agree that sftp is a better choice, mainly because it plays
> > nicer with NAT and doesn't throw plain-text passwords around, there
> > are situations where FTP is still needed....so I'll actually answer
> > your question.
> >
> > FTP runs over two ports, a command port and a data port.  So far all
> > you've been dealing with is the command port, which is why clients
> > can connect but not actually do anything.  To make things worse,
> > passive FTP, which is the default for almost every client out there
> > these days, has one more nasty trick up it's sleeve.  In passive FTP
> > the client connects in on a random high port for data that is agreed
> > upon between the client and server over the command
> > channel....unfortunately, unless you are running something like
> > connectrac w/ iptables or punch_fw for ipfw the NAT implimentation
> > has no way of knowing which port to expect this connection on.  So
> > you end up with a situation like this...
> >
> > client connects to server on command port which is punched through the
> > NAT and says, I'd like to do a ls.  Server replies back, ok, let's do
> > that over port, uhmmm, well, let's use 10584.  Client says ok, and
> > tries to connect in....at that point your router sees a brand new
> > connection coming in to port 10584 and has no clue what to do with
> > it, so it gets dropped.
> >
> > The solution is to limit the range of data ports your FTPd can use (by
> > default they use 1024 - 65535) and forward those through the router
> > as well....most decent FTPd's have some sort of PassiveMaxPort and
> > PassiveMinPort directive in them.  You'll also need to tell it to use
> > your WAN IP for passive connections....the name for this setting
> > varies.  Your other option is to run a NAT implimentation that can do
> > connectrac or punch_fw.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From justin.kremer at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 13:09:27 2007
From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:09:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: IPCop, FTP server
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0703061029v46c5eccfndfa62a0ba9a2b6d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0703020747j29c66bddqc599a140ed26c9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E86825.3030305@druswanderings.net>
	<200703031117.59906.josh@tcbug.org>
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Message-ID: <27e6356a0703061109y9446a18m5e9f58bde0473221@mail.gmail.com>

I assume this is in order to use SSH/SCP/SFTP rather than FTP?
Instead, you could use OpenSSH for Windows.
http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/

- Justin

On 3/6/07, Joey Rockhold <joey.rockhold at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for the help, especially Josh Paetzel, who actually tried
> to answer the original question.  I was trying not to admit this FTP server
> is on a Windows 2003 box, so I just kept plugging away and trying.  Never
> did figure it out.  So I am going to install VMWare server and within that
> set up a minimal linux server.  That I know how to do.
>
> - Joey


From rclark at lakesplus.com  Tue Mar  6 13:10:54 2007
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:10:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT:  "line" options for terminal server connections
Message-ID: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

A good majority of my work day is spent working on a remote windows
system via terminal server.  I mostly log in using rdesktop on Linux,
but I often use Remote Desktop Connection w/in XP, or log in via a
webpage using an Active X type app for the interface.

Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.  This
can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some
latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me this
many issues.

Are there issues going via the internet and can the connection just
eventually get messed up - causing me to hang?  Or do I need a
connection with very little if any lag?

Can I get a dedicated line that will get rid of the lag and be more
reliable?  I am certain there are more people out there in this
situation ... so ... I am hoping for some suggestions and insight.

Thanks in advance.

Randy



From Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com  Tue Mar  6 13:38:46 2007
From: Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com (Larry R. Pint)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:38:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
In-Reply-To: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <AD1913F70C219A458F44131CC9E91BA637F39D@exch01.internal.ntuminc.com>

I am running from an XP PC at my home office, through a VPN tunnel to a
client's network and using Remote Desktop Connection to connect to my PC
in my client's office.  I get disconnected frequently every day.
Sometimes every 15 minutes or so.

Very frustrating when trying to get any work done.

I also have multiple telnet sessions running from my home office PC to
my client's Linux server.  I never lose those connections.  (Unless my
entire internet connections goes down, or something like that.)  I just
attribute it to Remote Desktop Connection being a very touchy (poorly
designed?) thing.

It seems to be worse when trying to type things.  I can read e-mail for
long periods of time with no dropped connections, but when I try
answering an e-mail ...

So, you're not alone.  I'm having the same issues.

Larry
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-
> linux.org] On Behalf Of Randy Clarksean
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:11 PM
> To: tclug
> Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server
connections
> 
> A good majority of my work day is spent working on a remote windows
> system via terminal server.  I mostly log in using rdesktop on Linux,
> but I often use Remote Desktop Connection w/in XP, or log in via a
> webpage using an Active X type app for the interface.
> 
> Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.
This
> can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some
> latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me
this
> many issues.
> 
> Are there issues going via the internet and can the connection just
> eventually get messed up - causing me to hang?  Or do I need a
> connection with very little if any lag?
> 
> Can I get a dedicated line that will get rid of the lag and be more
> reliable?  I am certain there are more people out there in this
> situation ... so ... I am hoping for some suggestions and insight.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at natecarlson.com  Tue Mar  6 14:07:45 2007
From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:07:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
In-Reply-To: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703061406510.25606@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Randy Clarksean wrote:
> Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.  This 
> can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some 
> latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me this 
> many issues.

Weird. Are you going over the 'net at large, or a tunnel of some sort?

I do this on a fairly regular basis to my VMware session running XP at 
work, over a VPN link, and have no issues.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 14:13:17 2007
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:13:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEOLCGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEOLCGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1f729feb0703061213t221829e3j3e43a9fea7143592@mail.gmail.com>

I agree.  But I myself would like very much if it were actually in The City
(tm) this time, as opposed to the burbs, which effectively bars me from
attending.  (If the bus don't go there, Pete usually don't go there.)  Has
anyone thought about public libraries?  I work next door to St. Paul
Central, I can certainly run over there and see if they have any sort of
meeting space.  Not sure what kind of size we'd be talking about though, not
to mention issues of power and connectivity and such...

-p.

On 3/6/07, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Elvedin Trnjanin
> >
> >
> > I don't know how much space is required for an installfest but the
> > lecture rooms at the UMN EECS building are good for the meetings. The
> > halls by the lecture rooms might have enough space for all
> > the tables,
> > depending on how many people show up.
>
> UMN is a site I avoid since parking is such a hassle.
> Worse for installfests when folks stay longer.
>
> Most anywhere else would be better for meetings, IMHO.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From rclark at lakesplus.com  Tue Mar  6 14:16:30 2007
From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:16:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703061406510.25606@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
References: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0703061406510.25606@tungsten.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <1173212190.12088.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I am going over the net at large - no VPN tunnel or anything.  High
speed wireless connection.  But, it sounds like Larry was having the
same experiences I am having.

Anyone use something else out there to go direct into a PC box that has
better success?

Randy

ps I am still interested in what might be causing my issues.

On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 14:07 -0600, Nate Carlson wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Randy Clarksean wrote:
> > Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.  This 
> > can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some 
> > latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me this 
> > many issues.
> 
> Weird. Are you going over the 'net at large, or a tunnel of some sort?
> 
> I do this on a fairly regular basis to my VMware session running XP at 
> work, over a VPN link, and have no issues.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
> |       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------



From andyzib at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 15:12:29 2007
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:12:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
In-Reply-To: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1173208254.10285.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020703061312g5466a418pce264e08c81dd366@mail.gmail.com>

Are you connecting to a server (NT4TSE, Windows 2000 Server, Windows
Server 2003) or a client OS (WinXP, Vista)?

To get to my home PC from wherever I am I use ssh to first connect to
my Linux machine at home. I use port forwarding to connect to my
Windows machine from there. (ssh -L 3390:windowsbox:3389
username at ssh.host.com, point the Remote Desktop Connection client to
localhost:3390). I've enabled SSH keep alive in my sshd_config file,
and my connection can be stable for days.

I'm not sure if this works on WinXP as well, but in Windows 2000 and
2003 you can set some keep alive options via group policy. Computer
Configuration > Windows Components > Terminal Services. The keep alive
features are rather different from those offered by SSH however and
may not make any great improvements.

RDP isn't the most secure protocol in the world, better than VNC but
still not overly strong. Your best bet would be be to use RDP via a
VPN or SSH.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0;
0 rows returned


From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 15:15:36 2007
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:15:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd:  Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1173213570.12928.4.camel@chani>
References: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEOLCGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
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	<1173213570.12928.4.camel@chani>
Message-ID: <1f729feb0703061315p65dcd301kbeced4ca72ae328b@mail.gmail.com>

This was accidentally sent in reply only to me.

-p.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Benjamin Gramlich <benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com>
Date: Mar 6, 2007 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
To: Pete Daniels <teeahr1 at gmail.com>

Hey all,

How many people on average have attended the TCLUG events? Maybe we
could meet at a party room at an apartment building. There is such a
facility in my complex, but it's rather small and I live in Fridley. If
someone out there has something more central, that may be a good
suggestion.

Also, is there any structure to the events? Will there be speakers, or
structured activities? I've never been to one, but I'm looking forward
to the next meeting.

Benjamin
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From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 15:43:46 2007
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:43:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0703061315p65dcd301kbeced4ca72ae328b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>
	<JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGOEOLCGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
	<1f729feb0703061213t221829e3j3e43a9fea7143592@mail.gmail.com>
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Does anyone have a big garage they could empty out for a meeting?  Users can
donate tables, chairs, food, the home owner could provide internet via
wireless, etc..

Just a thought.

- Joey

On 3/6/07, Pete Daniels <teeahr1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This was accidentally sent in reply only to me.
>
> -p.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Benjamin Gramlich < benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com>
> Date: Mar 6, 2007 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
> To: Pete Daniels <teeahr1 at gmail.com>
>
> Hey all,
>
> How many people on average have attended the TCLUG events? Maybe we
> could meet at a party room at an apartment building. There is such a
> facility in my complex, but it's rather small and I live in Fridley. If
> someone out there has something more central, that may be a good
> suggestion.
>
> Also, is there any structure to the events? Will there be speakers, or
> structured activities? I've never been to one, but I'm looking forward
> to the next meeting.
>
> Benjamin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 16:02:49 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:02:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Next meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0703061213t221829e3j3e43a9fea7143592@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45EDAD50.9030308@umn.edu>
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	<1f729feb0703061213t221829e3j3e43a9fea7143592@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30703061402h599d6a6cv30d207782bbf3ea7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/07, Pete Daniels <teeahr1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree.  But I myself would like very much if it were actually in The City
> (tm) this time, as opposed to the burbs, which effectively bars me from
> attending.  (If the bus don't go there, Pete usually don't go there.)  Has

We're trying to get the meeting scheduled ASAP. Another volunteer
(thanks, Jeremy) has taken the initial steps in reserving a room for
the EE-CSCI building. This may not be ideal, but we're trying to get
the meetings going again so we're taking the road well travelled to
expedite the process. We can look at changing venues for the following
meetings.

We are looking at having the intallfest at a library or community
center or any place that has a large space where we can rearrange
tables. We will be meeting soon to (hopefully) finalize the details
and then we will be reporting to the LUG. If anyone has any solid
leads or good ideas, please let us know.

Thanks for the interest and suggestions. With the help of Clay, we
have formed a small group of people to organize the next series of
meetings/installfests. If you would like to help in organizing or help
in any other way, send an email to the list, Clay or myself and we'll
get you into the loop.

Cheers!
Eric


From mbditt at plauditdesign.com  Tue Mar  6 17:42:41 2007
From: mbditt at plauditdesign.com (Matt Dittbenner)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:42:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk: Hardware recommendations.
In-Reply-To: <45EC832A.2060208@cruit.net>
References: <45EC7AAF.1090304@plauditdesign.com> <45EC832A.2060208@cruit.net>
Message-ID: <45EDFC71.5060706@plauditdesign.com>

This was actually very helpful! Have there been any problems or 
complications you have experienced with them? So far, they look great 
and seem to get favorable reviews. Any additional info you think might 
be useful to me would be great.

Thanks for the idea...right now, it looks like this might be exactly 
what we need.

J Cruit wrote:
> Just an FYI, I've used Voicepulse Connect which is a VOIP provider so 
> no hardware is actually needed.  They give you 4 lines by default for 
> 11$ a month per phone number plus long distance charges for outgoing 
> calls at something around .0002 to .0008 cents a minutes.  I've had 
> good success with them and they are not only very Asterisk friendly 
> they even have a built in script in Trixbox to set them up.
>
> My box was very similar in configuration and I was hovering around 1% 
> utilization most of the time.  But I can't help with the specific 
> cards as again, I used that VOIP provider.
>
> --j
>
> Matt Dittbenner wrote:
>> I've been watching the recent thread regarding Asterisk hardware. A 
>> small company I work for is looking to implement an Asterisk server 
>> to allow us to work off-site, yet still be reachable. We would like 
>> to have 4 lines that forward over to mobile phones if they are not 
>> answered.
>>
>> I am looking for some hardware recommendations, and possibly common 
>> pitfalls we might encounter attempting this setup.
>>
>> The machine will not likely be dedicated to Asterisk. Specs are:
>>
>>     * CPU: Athlon64 3000+
>>     * Memory: 1GB
>>     * MoBo: Asus K8N
>>
>> We have been looking at the Digium TDM-400, and the Sangoma A200. Are 
>> there any recommendations as to which of these would be preferred and 
>> why? Additionally, if you would recommend other hardware, we are open 
>> to suggestions.
>>
>> Any help is greatly appreciated and I can provide more info if 
>> needed. Thanks all!
>>
>>     -Matt
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From trieff at greencaremankato.com  Tue Mar  6 18:01:00 2007
From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:01:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterick VOIP ???
Message-ID: <NFBBIBPNOLDCJFNNJHHKKEICEKAA.trieff@greencaremankato.com>

TCLUG,
I have read some of the postings about Asterick. Is there a good
source of info out there that could help me explain how to set
up a VOIP system. In our office we have a Nortel 6line/16 phone
system. Very old by today?s standards. We need more phones, so
was thinking about adding VOIP to supplement our system. Any
thoughts???
Tom

GreenCare
Thomas Rieff
1717 3rd Avenue
Mankato, MN 56001
(507) 344-8314 Office
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From jack at jacku.com  Tue Mar  6 22:47:25 2007
From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:47:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterick VOIP ???
In-Reply-To: <NFBBIBPNOLDCJFNNJHHKKEICEKAA.trieff@greencaremankato.com>
References: <NFBBIBPNOLDCJFNNJHHKKEICEKAA.trieff@greencaremankato.com>
Message-ID: <200703062247.26054.jack@jacku.com>

On Tuesday 06 March 2007 6:01 pm, Thomas Rieff wrote:
> TCLUG,
> I have read some of the postings about Asterick. Is there a good
> source of info out there that could help me explain how to set
> up a VOIP system. In our office we have a Nortel 6line/16 phone
> system. Very old by today?s standards. We need more phones, so
> was thinking about adding VOIP to supplement our system. Any
> thoughts???
> Tom
>

The March issue of Linux Journal has Asterisk on the cover with many articles. 
One might cover what you are looking for.


-- 
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jack at jacku.com
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From ddezurik at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 22:55:07 2007
From: ddezurik at yahoo.com (Damien DeZurik)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:55:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal server in Linux?
Message-ID: <341012.62431.qm@web37204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dan,

I have used what is called NX to serve my desktop around my house and to my office (off site).  I haven't run it for maybe 8 months now, but last I used it, it worked really well.  The idea was, and probably still is, you get the free client from these German fellows: http://freenx.berlios.de/download.php.  And the server, you get from NOMachine: http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1.  And between the two, you have a free, lightweight server of desktop and it, in my experience, is far from bloated.   Since I haven't used it in a number of months, you may want to pull up NX, nomachine, or free nx in your favorite search engine. It's worth a look.

Damien




----- Original Message ----
From: John Reese <jwreese0 at comcast.net>
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 8:05:24 PM
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Terminal server in Linux?

Interesting topic.

Check out the Skolelinux project. There's a write-up at the Free
Software -Europe site:

http://www.fsfeurope.org/projects/education/tgs/tagatschool8.en.html

Notes on Skolelinux I stole from a different site:
Description: Skolelinux is the Debian-edu project's Custom Debian
Distribution (CDD) in development. It is aiming to provide an
out-of-the-box localised environment tailored for schools and
universities. The out-of-the-box environment comes with 75 applications
aimed at schools, as well as 15 network services pre-configured for a
school environment. The simple, three-question installation requires
minimal technical knowledge. Skolelinux is Debian, which means, among
other things, that there are no license costs or worries, and that
upgrade and maintenance of the software can be done over the Internet
with the power of Debian's apt-get. The core goals of Skolelinux are
localisation and ease of system administration.


Not technical enough? Check out the FreeNX -> Nomachine project. Looks
way cool. This is pretty exciting stuff
. 
FreeNX write-up:
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/02/09/freenx.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Powerful+Remote+X+Displays+with+

Nomachine: 
http://www.nomachine.com/

John Reese


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From ddezurik at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 23:14:11 2007
From: ddezurik at yahoo.com (Damien DeZurik)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:14:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: "line" options for terminal server connections
Message-ID: <363761.95085.qm@web37208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For what it's worth, I have not seen this problem.  For me, it is usually rdesktop over a short-distance LAN type connection from RHEL/Fedora to WinXP/2000Server and I can't recall being dropped frequently.  Occasionally, across town to an office but, still, good connectivity and not a lot of dropped connections.  

Out of curiosity, is a VPN involved during these dropped connections? If so, can the VPN be taken out of the equation while still keeping the login credentials secure across the network? May be worth a try.

Damien




----- Original Message ----
From: Randy Clarksean <rclark at lakesplus.com>
To: tclug <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 1:10:54 PM
Subject: [tclug-list] OT:  "line" options for terminal server connections

A good majority of my work day is spent working on a remote windows
system via terminal server.  I mostly log in using rdesktop on Linux,
but I often use Remote Desktop Connection w/in XP, or log in via a
webpage using an Active X type app for the interface.

Issues:  The connection hangs often - some days more than others.  This
can be very frustrating to say the least.  There are probably some
latency issues, but there must be more than that though to cause me this
many issues.

Are there issues going via the internet and can the connection just
eventually get messed up - causing me to hang?  Or do I need a
connection with very little if any lag?

Can I get a dedicated line that will get rid of the lag and be more
reliable?  I am certain there are more people out there in this
situation ... so ... I am hoping for some suggestions and insight.

Thanks in advance.

Randy


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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Mar  7 09:11:22 2007
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:11:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200703071511.l27FBMl08703@crusader.real-time.com>

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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 09:14:34 2007
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:14:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Terminal server in Linux?
In-Reply-To: <341012.62431.qm@web37204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <341012.62431.qm@web37204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30703070714g2e926337o83596f576831bd05@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/07, Damien DeZurik <ddezurik at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> I have used what is called NX to serve my desktop around my house and to my office (off site).  I haven't run it for maybe 8 months now, but last I used it, it worked really well.  The idea was, and probably still is, you get the free client from these German fellows: http://freenx.berlios.de/download.php.  And the server, you get from NOMachine: http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1.  And between the two, you have a free, lightweight server of desktop and it, in my experience, is far from bloated.   Since I haven't used it in a number of months, you may want to pull up NX, nomachine, or free nx in your favorite search engine. It's worth a look.
>
> Damien
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John Reese <jwreese0 at comcast.net>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 8:05:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Terminal server in Linux?
>
> Interesting topic.
>
> Check out the Skolelinux project. There's a write-up at the Free
> Software -Europe site:
>
> http://www.fsfeurope.org/projects/education/tgs/tagatschool8.en.html
>
> Notes on Skolelinux I stole from a different site:
> Description: Skolelinux is the Debian-edu project's Custom Debian
> Distribution (CDD) in development. It is aiming to provide an
> out-of-the-box localised environment tailored for schools and
> universities. The out-of-the-box environment comes with 75 applications
> aimed at schools, as well as 15 network services pre-configured for a
> school environment. The simple, three-question installation requires
> minimal technical knowledge. Skolelinux is Debian, which means, among
> other things, that there are no license costs or worries, and that
> upgrade and maintenance of the software can be done over the Internet
> with the power of Debian's apt-get. The core goals of Skolelinux are
> localisation and ease of system administration.
>
>
> Not technical enough? Check out the FreeNX -> Nomachine project. Looks
> way cool. This is pretty exciting stuff
> .
> FreeNX write-up:
> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/02/09/freenx.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Powerful+Remote+X+Displays+with+
>
> Nomachine:
> http://www.nomachine.com/
>
> John Reese
>


I will preface the following by saying that I didn't do any real
testing and this was running on a Xen based workstation.

I have been using TightVNC for many years, running it as an xinetd
service to allow people to use our workstations remotely. I also use
it the same way at home.

I tried NoMachine and FreeNX recently and after trying it several
times I found the performance to