From tclug at lizakowski.com Wed Aug 1 14:43:05 2007 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:43:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement - August 8th, 2007 In-Reply-To: <200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com> <200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon! Date: Wed, Aug 8th Time: 6:30 - 8:00 University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-230 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455 Note: We've lined up an interesting presentation for this month, from a TCLUG member (details below). The previously-announced Virtualization topic has been pushed out to September, where we will cover it in more detail and with more preparation. Topics: Brief intro to virtualization (5-10 minutes) Main presentation "Using Open Source Tools for Regulatory Compliance, And how to make your auditors accept it." Jeremiah Cruit-Salzberg, Design Engineer, AT&T General Q&A and discussion As time may permit Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop -------- Presentation Detail -------- Using Open Source Tools for Regulatory Compliance And how to make your auditors accept it Many open source tools are available to assist in meeting many different regulatory compliance objectives including ones for PCI, SOX, and HIPAA. One of the major issues with using open source tools comes with acceptance from internal and external auditing teams. Most of these issues can be overcome with detailed documentation but for each tool discussed a solution for how we justified it to our auditors will be discussed as well. Working with your auditors to verify tools and methodologies used whether open source or not is a key element to success in passing audits and depending on your auditors they may be more or less accepting of open source. *Jeremiah Cruit-Salzberg* Design Engineer, AT&T Jeremiah Cruit has been working in networking and computer security for the past 14 years. He started working with Linux and open source technologies 8 years ago and has been an advocate ever since. Jeremiah currently works at AT&T as a Design Engineer creating and managing network and security architecture for fortune 50 customers. Current certifications include CISSP, CCNP, JNCIA, RCSE (RSA), SCI (Sidewinder), and others. From tclug at lizakowski.com Wed Aug 1 16:42:26 2007 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:42:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement - Sept 5th, 2007 In-Reply-To: <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com> <200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com> <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <200708011642.26898.tclug@lizakowski.com> In addition to the August 8th meeting, we also have a TCLUG meeting to announce for Wed Sept 5. Amazon.com will be giving a presentation about Amazon Web Services (AWS). Amazon has some pretty cool developer tools. On the topic of virtualization, they have EC2, which allows you to upload a Linux image to a number of virtual machines, and only pay for the machine-hours that you use. See below for details, there's a lot of good stuff. The detailed / formal agenda will be sent closer to the date. ----------- Description ------------ What's possible in a post Web 2.0 world? Innovation continues at a mind-bending pace, and this presentation will showcase some thought-provoking new directions that Web Services are headed in. The presentation will provide an overview of Amazon Web Services, including a Web Service named Mechanical Turk that allows computers to make requests of people, an online storage service, a Virtual Server service, and more. ?There will also be a demo showing how to set up the virtual server. But mostly this will be an opportunity to have a discussion about innovation and entrepreneurial tools. Amazon spent ten years developing a world-class technology and content platform that powers Amazon web sites for millions of customers every day. Most people think "Amazon.com" when they hear the word; however developers are excited to learn that there is a separate technology arm of the company, known as Amazon Web Services or AWS. Using AWS, developers can build software applications leveraging the same robust, scalable, and reliable technology that powers Amazon's retail business. AWS has now launched ten services with open APIs for developers to build applications, with the result that over 265,000 developers have registered on Amazon's developer site to create applications based on these services.. About the Speaker Mike Culver joined the Developer Relations Group of Amazon Web Services in May, 2006. Mike brings with him fifteen years of technology leadership experience, including at companies such as Microsoft. In addition Mr. Culver has a strong background running an IT organization, with over a decade of experience in the Electrical Wholesale Distribution industry. As a Web Services Evangelist at Amazon, he helps developers take advantage of disruptive technologies that are going to change the way we think about computer applications, and the way that businesses compete. From dniesen at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 07:52:45 2007 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:52:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Nagios and alternatives Message-ID: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> I'm thinking of setting up Nagios to monitor a few boxes that I like to keep a close eye on but also wanted to see if there were alternatives that other people like better network/service monitoring. Otherwise I'm also keen to hear any success or horror stories with Nagios implementations. -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070802/f4e66798/attachment.htm From admin at lctn.org Thu Aug 2 08:03:39 2007 From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:03:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Nagios and alternatives In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1191.10.10.1.1.1186059819.squirrel@lctn.org> > I'm thinking of setting up Nagios to monitor a few boxes that I like to > keep > a close eye on but also wanted to see if there were alternatives that > other > people like better network/service monitoring. Otherwise I'm also keen to > hear any success or horror stories with Nagios implementations. There is a free windows solution on the mikro-tik web site, called "The Dude". It is very simple to set up, and discovers all your network devices on its own. You simply remove what you don't care about, and configure the type of alerts you would like to receive. From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Aug 2 09:12:22 2007 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:12:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Nagios and alternatives In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200708020912.22289.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Thursday 02 August 2007 7:52:45 am Donovan Niesen wrote: > I'm thinking of setting up Nagios to monitor a few boxes that I like to > keep a close eye on but also wanted to see if there were alternatives that > other people like better network/service monitoring. Otherwise I'm also > keen to hear any success or horror stories with Nagios implementations. I am partial to ZenOSS: http://zenoss.com. It uses mostly SNMP to monitor your servers, but there are other plugins as well. Another solution I found is Hyperic HQ: http://hyperic.com. A really nice tool if you don't mind running java. -- Bret Baptist Senior Network Administrator bbaptist at iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Providing Internet Services since 1995 Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics Network Security ~ On Demand Tech Support ~ E-Mail Marketing ------------------------------------------ From dniesen at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 09:43:18 2007 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:43:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Nagios and alternatives In-Reply-To: References: <47f4d5e70708020552i2d486ed8x51975751b71c27ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70708020743p53adaf1bs961c31f6d7a8d524@mail.gmail.com> On 8/2/07, Erik Anderson wrote: > > On 8/2/07, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > I'm thinking of setting up Nagios to monitor a few boxes that I like to > keep > > a close eye on but also wanted to see if there were alternatives that > other > > people like better network/service monitoring. Otherwise I'm also keen > to > > hear any success or horror stories with Nagios implementations. > > I've been using Nagios since the Netsaint days and I've found it to be > an incredibly reliable, no nonsense network monitoring package. Every > year or so I spend a few days evaluating the various other netmon > solutions out there and I always end up coming back to Nagios. The > others seem overly complex or overly simple for my needs. > > That said, the initial install of Nagios can be somewhat of a pain. > Fortunately I've done it enough times that I can complete the install > from start to finish in about 15 minutes. Installing it for the first > time, though, can take upwards of an hour. > > -Erik > I don't mind a learning curve especially if the app is versatile and stable. I'm thinking my initial instinct to go with Nagios is a good direction. Thanks to everyone for the feedback! -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070802/802dd979/attachment.htm From k0sdh at visi.com Thu Aug 2 17:57:26 2007 From: k0sdh at visi.com (Steven Huntsman) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:57:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070802/e49ddb06/attachment.htm From trnja001 at umn.edu Thu Aug 2 22:05:01 2007 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:05:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B29B5D.9090405@umn.edu> 1) You signed up for the digest which means you get messages every x amount of time instead of right when they're sent to the list. You can change settings at http://www.mn-linux.org/mailinglists/ 2) You can find Linux meeting information on this list or the web page - http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ 3) What else do you want to do on your computer? You can probably do it in Linux. The best way to learn is doing it. New software version are mostly irrelevant because major changes (that would make a book like that obsolete) come out once every few years. 4) Phoning for help? Probably not without paying someone although you can go to the #tclug IRC channel ( http://www.mn-linux.org/irc/ ) to talk about Linux issues or even if you want to vent about problems in your life. Plenty of nice people there to help you through it all, especially jima. If he doesn't answer the first time, be sure to send him a few dozen private messages, you know, to get his attention.* "Steven Huntsman" wrote: > Hello, > Is anyone there? > I sent the message copied below on July 27; > since then I have received only two messages from tclug-list at mn-linux.org > neither of which addressed my information request. > > Why don't I get at least one message per day about anything whatever > from tclug-list at mn-linux.org?? > > Is there going to be a Linux meeting at UofM in the near future? > > How does one learn to get Linux to do something useful besides email? > I have "The Official Ubuntu Book" which helps some but doesn't begin > to answer the questions. > Besides it is/was obsolete the day I bought it; they have a new > software version approx every six months. > > Is there anyone I can phone for help? > > Now for good news: I really think I like using Linux; I have > practically NO trouble with viruses of which I am aware > AND the computer crashes very, very seldom. > > Thanks for letting me vent! > Steve H. > > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:00:06 -0500 > C wrote: > > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > >visit > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > >'help' to > > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > >more specific > > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Opera on Linux Box (Steven Huntsman) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:46:26 -0500 > >From: "Steven Huntsman" > > Subject: [tclug-list] Opera on Linux Box > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; > > charset=iso-8859-15 > > > > Help, > > My Linux box is running Ubuntu-V7.04 and I prefer the > >Opera browser/email > > program. > > > > However, the Opera behaves strangely; it sometimes > >downloads email > > quickly but most times it is very slow & sometimes not > >at all. > > > > How does one trouble shoot?? > > > > Thanks, Steve > > > > -- > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: > >http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 21 > > ****************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > * I'm joking, put away the LART From tonyyarusso at comcast.net Thu Aug 2 22:47:08 2007 From: tonyyarusso at comcast.net (Anthony Yarusso) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:47:08 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B2A53C.3070501@comcast.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "Steven Huntsman" wrote: > > > How does one learn to get Linux to do something useful besides email? > I have "The Official Ubuntu Book" which helps some but doesn't begin > to answer the questions. > Besides it is/was obsolete the day I bought it; they have a new > software version approx every six months. You may also want to browse around https://wiki.ubuntu.com/, https://help.ubuntu.com/, and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/, where much of what ends up in the book comes from anyway. Additionally, there is a second edition of the book now available, updated for 7.04. > > Is there anyone I can phone for help? IRC is the more common way for live help - that way you can get lots of people at once, when it's convenient for them. As mentioned before, the #tclug channel would be great, as well as larger channels specific to your issue (#ubuntu, #apache, #irssi, etc.) > > Now for good news: I really think I like using Linux; I have > practically NO trouble with viruses of which I am aware > AND the computer crashes very, very seldom. Good to hear, glad you enjoy it! > > Thanks for letting me vent! > Steve H. Tony Yarusso Ubuntu Member -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGsqU76iO+5ByUi/QRAvRWAJ0YXpHNBfiXzpL2QbHjSbuI1ivckgCeKfLF P9HCtnWCtzZdPKjcD/zlpLA= =YU10 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 3 22:14:38 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 22:14:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? Message-ID: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized letters. Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how to do it? I'm thinking that I would write something like this: To: %email Subject: Renewal time for services Dear %name, Would you like to renew your service? Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email for each person. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jeremy at rosengren.org Fri Aug 3 22:24:29 2007 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 22:24:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> References: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <46B3F16D.10008@rosengren.org> Jon Schewe wrote: > Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of > people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, > but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail > merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized letters. > Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how to do it? > > I'm thinking that I would write something like this: > > To: %email > Subject: Renewal time for services > Dear %name, > Would you like to renew your service? > > Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email > for each person. > > Something like this? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8238 -- jeremy From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Aug 4 07:31:25 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:31:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <46B3F16D.10008@rosengren.org> References: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <46B3F16D.10008@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <1186230685.1647.93.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 22:24 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > Jon Schewe wrote: > > Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of > > people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, > > but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail > > merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized letters. > > Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how to do it? > > > > I'm thinking that I would write something like this: > > > > To: %email > > Subject: Renewal time for services > > Dear %name, > > Would you like to renew your service? > > > > Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email > > for each person. > > > > > Something like this? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8238 > Like that, but sending emails, rather than saving files or printing to a printer. ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jeremy at rosengren.org Sat Aug 4 09:46:55 2007 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:46:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <1186230685.1647.93.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> References: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <46B3F16D.10008@rosengren.org> <1186230685.1647.93.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <46B4915F.7050603@rosengren.org> Jon Schewe wrote: > On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 22:24 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > >> Jon Schewe wrote: >> >>> Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of >>> people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, >>> but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail >>> merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized letters. >>> Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how to do it? >>> >>> I'm thinking that I would write something like this: >>> >>> To: %email >>> Subject: Renewal time for services >>> Dear %name, >>> Would you like to renew your service? >>> >>> Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email >>> for each person. >>> >>> >>> >> Something like this? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8238 >> >> > Like that, but sending emails, rather than saving files or printing to a > printer. > > Google says there's nothing available like that for Thunderbird (and we obviously always trust what Google says...) You could probably use OpenOffice to generate the form letters as text files and use a glue script to send out the batch of emails after they're generated. As I was typing that last sentence, I thought of another search to try and came up with this: http://internet.cybermesa.com/~aaron_w/OOo_email_merge/OOo_email_merge.html -- j From tclug at lizakowski.com Sat Aug 4 12:00:44 2007 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 12:00:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <46B4915F.7050603@rosengren.org> References: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <1186230685.1647.93.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <46B4915F.7050603@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <200708041200.45923.tclug@lizakowski.com> If necessary, you can do it int he shell. You could probably dump the list of email addresses to a text file (or parse thunderbird's addressbook directly in the shell), then run it through awk (or eqivalent - to add the text of the letter), and pipe it to mail. Whether it's worth it depends on how many you want to send. Jeremy On Saturday 04 August 2007 9:46 am, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > Jon Schewe wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 22:24 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > >> Jon Schewe wrote: > >>> Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of > >>> people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, > >>> but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail > >>> merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized > >>> letters. Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how > >>> to do it? > >>> > >>> I'm thinking that I would write something like this: > >>> > >>> To: %email > >>> Subject: Renewal time for services > >>> Dear %name, > >>> Would you like to renew your service? > >>> > >>> Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email > >>> for each person. > >> > >> Something like this? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8238 > > > > Like that, but sending emails, rather than saving files or printing to a > > printer. > > Google says there's nothing available like that for Thunderbird (and we > obviously always trust what Google says...) > > You could probably use OpenOffice to generate the form letters as text > files and use a glue script to send out the batch of emails after > they're generated. > > As I was typing that last sentence, I thought of another search to try > and came up with this: > http://internet.cybermesa.com/~aaron_w/OOo_email_merge/OOo_email_merge.html > > -- j > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Aug 4 13:04:46 2007 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:04:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] email merge for Thunderbird? In-Reply-To: <200708041200.45923.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <1186197278.1647.91.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <1186230685.1647.93.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> <46B4915F.7050603@rosengren.org> <200708041200.45923.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <1186250686.1647.97.camel@jon.mn.mtu.net> I've thought of that. It's actually for my neighbor and she runs that other operating system that doesn't do shell stuff. I figured if we have to I'd write something for her to use, which it sounds like I might need to do. On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 12:00 -0500, Jeremy wrote: > If necessary, you can do it int he shell. You could probably dump the list of > email addresses to a text file (or parse thunderbird's addressbook directly > in the shell), then run it through awk (or eqivalent - to add the text of the > letter), and pipe it to mail. > > Whether it's worth it depends on how many you want to send. > > Jeremy > > On Saturday 04 August 2007 9:46 am, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 22:24 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > > >> Jon Schewe wrote: > > >>> Perhaps someone on this list has tried to do this. I have a list of > > >>> people in my address book and I would like to email them all a message, > > >>> but I want it to be personalized, like it would be if you used the mail > > >>> merge feature of many word processors to print out personalized > > >>> letters. Does anyone know if this is possible with Thunderbird or how > > >>> to do it? > > >>> > > >>> I'm thinking that I would write something like this: > > >>> > > >>> To: %email > > >>> Subject: Renewal time for services > > >>> Dear %name, > > >>> Would you like to renew your service? > > >>> > > >>> Than point Thunderbird at this and my email list and generate an email > > >>> for each person. > > >> > > >> Something like this? http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8238 > > > > > > Like that, but sending emails, rather than saving files or printing to a > > > printer. > > > > Google says there's nothing available like that for Thunderbird (and we > > obviously always trust what Google says...) > > > > You could probably use OpenOffice to generate the form letters as text > > files and use a glue script to send out the batch of emails after > > they're generated. > > > > As I was typing that last sentence, I thought of another search to try > > and came up with this: > > http://internet.cybermesa.com/~aaron_w/OOo_email_merge/OOo_email_merge.html > > > > -- j > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ________________________________________________________________________ Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From wilson at visi.com Mon Aug 6 13:46:39 2007 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:46:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Wireless spectrum and what to do with it Message-ID: <4E554928-1FA6-4BEB-9501-B9020B011EC7@visi.com> Hi everyone, My school district has access to some radio spectrum, and I thought some of the radio geeks on this list would have a better idea what it's good for than I do. Our access is through the Sherburne Wright Education Technology Cooperative (SW-ETC). The transmitting tower is probably going to be coming down, so realistically we'll probably be pursuing a sale or lease of the spectrum. Here's the technical detail: Call Sign WHR847 Channel Frequency G1 002644.00000?002650.00000MHz G2 002656.00000?002662.00000MHZ G3 002668.00000?002674.00000MHz G4 002680.00000?002686.00000MHz We already have fiber between all of our schools, so we don't need it for data connections. Are there any cool uses of this spectrum that we should be exploring? -Tim -- Tim Wilson, The Savvy Technologist Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson at visi.com aim: tis270 blog and podcast: http:// technosavvy.org From tompoe at fngi.net Mon Aug 6 14:11:31 2007 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:11:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Wireless spectrum and what to do with it In-Reply-To: <4E554928-1FA6-4BEB-9501-B9020B011EC7@visi.com> References: <4E554928-1FA6-4BEB-9501-B9020B011EC7@visi.com> Message-ID: <46B77263.3060009@fngi.net> Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My school district has access to some radio spectrum, and I thought > some of the radio geeks on this list would have a better idea what > it's good for than I do. Our access is through the Sherburne Wright > Education Technology Cooperative (SW-ETC). The transmitting tower is > probably going to be coming down, so realistically we'll probably be > pursuing a sale or lease of the spectrum. Here's the technical detail: > > Call Sign WHR847 > > Channel Frequency > G1 002644.00000?002650.00000MHz > G2 002656.00000?002662.00000MHZ > G3 002668.00000?002674.00000MHz > G4 002680.00000?002686.00000MHz > > We already have fiber between all of our schools, so we don't need it > for data connections. Are there any cool uses of this spectrum that > we should be exploring? > > -Tim > > The buzzwords here, are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datacasting - datacasting I think Australia has mytalk.com and yoursay is coming up. If I understand it right, they're exploring live, interactive tv talk shows. The last thing I would recommend, is selling the spectrum. The kids need it to work with. If the school doesn't use it, it can share it with the community PEG channel folks. They'll know how to make use of it to benefit the public. Tom Poe, Charles City, Iowa From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 11:33:04 2007 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:33:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Adding a RAID array to existing Ubuntu install Message-ID: <47f4d5e70708070933n51adeb9bt63dcf6df1f9b3d11@mail.gmail.com> I have an existing Ubuntu installation on a SATA disk and I want to add a 500GB mirrored RAID onto it for storage. I have two SATA ports on my board and then two that are seperate for a Promise FastTrak SATA RAID controller. I installed the 500GB drives on the Promise controller and set up the mirrored RAID. Now when I attempt to boot Ubuntu with the RAID controller turned on I get the following messages: ata3: disabling port md: md0: raid array is not clean -- starting background reconstruction madm: /dev/md0 has been started with 1 drive (out of 2) sde: assuming drive cache: write through sde: assuming drive cache: write through If I disable the onboard RAID the server boots with no problem. Has anybody tried this setup before? -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 8/7/07, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > I never use Promise "RAID" controllers. Either use a true hardware RAID > controller, or use software RAID. The on-board "RAID" controllers on > most PC's are not true hardware RAID, and are therefore useless. > -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070807/dc648cda/attachment.htm From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 12:25:17 2007 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:25:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Adding a RAID array to existing Ubuntu install In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70708071014u46e6f9a8j5a6cede01521f99e@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70708070933n51adeb9bt63dcf6df1f9b3d11@mail.gmail.com> <20530.1186506412@skuld.wookimus.net> <47f4d5e70708071014u46e6f9a8j5a6cede01521f99e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70708071025l40c24ad8l80d40bfaa6b452a5@mail.gmail.com> Found a way around it. This crazy board has two SATA RAID controllers and Ubuntu liked the Intel one much better. Booting just straight IDE off the Promise controller and doing RAID-1 off the Intel controller. Seems to be working well. On 8/7/07, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > Maybe this is just my crappy SATA controllers then because I tried to just > change the Promise controller to IDE and I'm getting the same errors. Only > seems to boot when that controller is not enabled. > > It's still reading that drive because it attempts to boot from it. Would > the order the BIOS sees the drives in matter? I'm thinking that maybe by > tossing the other controller in the mix now my 120GB drive is SDD instead of > SDA? > > > On 8/7/07, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > > > I never use Promise "RAID" controllers. Either use a true hardware RAID > > controller, or use software RAID. The on-board "RAID" controllers on > > most PC's are not true hardware RAID, and are therefore useless. > > > > > > -- > Donovan Niesen -- Donovan Niesen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070807/a10caf93/attachment.htm From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Aug 7 12:06:52 2007 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:06:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Adding a RAID array to existing Ubuntu install In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70708070933n51adeb9bt63dcf6df1f9b3d11@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70708070933n51adeb9bt63dcf6df1f9b3d11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20530.1186506412@skuld.wookimus.net> I never use Promise "RAID" controllers. Either use a true hardware RAID controller, or use software RAID. The on-board "RAID" controllers on most PC's are not true hardware RAID, and are therefore useless. From tclug at lizakowski.com Wed Aug 8 12:17:31 2007 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:17:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting Announcement - Tonight In-Reply-To: <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <4c4ad4df0704200525t21568452m6dfb8503e3221bcf@mail.gmail.com> <200705300327.20358.tclug@lizakowski.com> <200708011443.06231.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <200708081217.33322.tclug@lizakowski.com> The next TCLUG meeting is tonight! ? ?Date: Wed, Aug 8th ?Time: 6:30 - 8:00 ?University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-230 ?200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455 Note: We've lined up an interesting presentation for this month, from a TCLUG member (details below). ?The previously-announced Virtualization topic has been pushed out to September, where we will cover it in more detail and with more preparation. ?Topics: ? ? ? ? Brief intro to virtualization (5-10 minutes) ? ? ? ? Main presentation ? ? ? ? ????????"Using Open Source Tools for Regulatory Compliance, ? ? ? ? ? ? ????And how to make your auditors accept it." ? ? ? ? ? ? ????Jeremiah Cruit-Salzberg, Design Engineer, AT&T ? ? ? ??General Q&A and discussion ????????????????As time may permit ????????Adjourn to local restaurant or coffee shop -------- ?Presentation Detail -------- Using Open Source Tools for Regulatory Compliance And how to make your auditors accept it Many open source tools are available to assist in meeting many different regulatory compliance objectives including ones for PCI, SOX, and HIPAA. One of the major issues with using open source tools comes with acceptance from internal and external auditing teams. Most of these issues can be overcome with detailed documentation but for each tool discussed a solution for how we justified it to our auditors will be discussed as well. Working with your auditors to verify tools and methodologies used whether open source or not is a key element to success in passing audits and depending on your auditors they may be more or less accepting of open source. *Jeremiah Cruit-Salzberg* Design Engineer, AT&T Jeremiah Cruit has been working in networking and computer security for the past 14 years. He started working with Linux and open source technologies 8 years ago and has been an advocate ever since. Jeremiah currently works at AT&T as a Design Engineer creating and managing network and security architecture for fortune 50 customers. Current certifications include CISSP, CCNP, JNCIA, RCSE (RSA), SCI (Sidewinder), and others. From admin at lctn.org Wed Aug 8 13:09:47 2007 From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:09:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question Message-ID: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will get one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws to modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys routers, and resell them as a different product? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com Wed Aug 8 13:21:16 2007 From: Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com (Larry R. Pint) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:21:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of copyright violation to me. Larry > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will get > one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws to > modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > routers, and resell them as a different product? > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From canito at dalan.us Wed Aug 8 13:28:20 2007 From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:28:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... Message-ID: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> Just out of curitosity is this the exact same computer? I mean I did a comparison and man, do all MACS get the same exact wear? Are my eyes playing games on me? Below is the original post: Here is what I found on Craisglist: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/392114931.html http://botwerks.org/images/g4_pbook/ My rant here is if you purchased this for $200 obo and now selling this for $650??????? Shame on you!!!! If I am wrong, I do apologize dearly...... Not.... ----- Forwarded message from webmaster at mn-linux.org ----- Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:25:57 -0500 From: TCLUG Classifieds Reply-To: TCLUG Classifieds Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: powerbook g4 (1.25 Ghz) 1.25Ghz PowerPC G4 powerbook - 512M of RAM, 80G hard drive. it's been a trusty companion for a couple of years now and makes for a handy floater laptop around the house. misc. additional stuff - integrated bluetooth - integrated Wireless - integrated gigabit ethernet - USB 2.0 ports - firewire 400 port - firewire 800 port - fully patched fresh install of OS X (10.4.10) - includes spare battery - includes system restoration disc $200 / OBO more pictures here: http://tinyurl.com/252yd3 Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ----- End forwarded message ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From rwh at visi.com Wed Aug 8 13:40:34 2007 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:40:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <46BA0E22.7040805@visi.com> admin at lctn.org wrote: > I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will get > one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws to > modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > routers, and resell them as a different product? > > I can't imagine any copyright problems and if you remove Linksys from the box there shouldn't be any trademark issues either. As long as you bought the unit from Linksys/Cisco the first-sale doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#The_first-sale_doctrine_and_exhaustion_of_rights) should apply. On the other hand, depending on what mods you make to the hardware, you may need to deal with getting the appropriate paperwork through the FCC. As usual, if you're really concerned you should find a real lawyer rather than relying on a mailing list. --rick From rwh at visi.com Wed Aug 8 14:05:33 2007 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:05:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... In-Reply-To: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> References: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: <46BA13FD.4010703@visi.com> Even if they are the same computer I don't quite see where you fit into the transaction(s). Someone had a G4 PB that they were willing to sell at $200. The buyer turns around and tries to sell it for $650. I don't see the problem. --rick canito at dalan.us wrote: > Just out of curitosity is this the exact same computer? > > I mean I did a comparison and man, do all MACS get the same exact > wear? Are my eyes playing games on me? > > Below is the original post: > > Here is what I found on Craisglist: > > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/392114931.html > > http://botwerks.org/images/g4_pbook/ > > My rant here is if you purchased this for $200 obo and now selling > this for $650??????? > > Shame on you!!!! > > If I am wrong, I do apologize dearly...... > > > Not.... > > ----- Forwarded message from webmaster at mn-linux.org ----- > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:25:57 -0500 > From: TCLUG Classifieds > Reply-To: TCLUG Classifieds > Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: powerbook g4 (1.25 Ghz) > > 1.25Ghz PowerPC G4 powerbook - 512M of RAM, 80G hard drive. it's been > a trusty companion for a couple of years now and makes for a handy > floater laptop around the house. > > misc. additional stuff > - integrated bluetooth > - integrated Wireless > - integrated gigabit ethernet > - USB 2.0 ports > - firewire 400 port > - firewire 800 port > - fully patched fresh install of OS X (10.4.10) > - includes spare battery > - includes system restoration disc > > $200 / OBO > > more pictures here: > http://tinyurl.com/252yd3 > > > Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at lctn.org Wed Aug 8 14:10:32 2007 From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:10:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13984.64.8.170.129.1186600232.squirrel@lctn.org> > I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of > copyright violation to me. That is why I contacted Linksys. Some feel it is an outright infringement, others don't. There are tons of modified units on the market for sale. I was hoping to get a specific idea as to what part is clearly legal, or illegal. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From tompoe at fngi.net Wed Aug 8 14:04:42 2007 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:04:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <46BA0E22.7040805@visi.com> References: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> <46BA0E22.7040805@visi.com> Message-ID: <46BA13CA.8050208@fngi.net> rwh wrote: > admin at lctn.org wrote: > >> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will get >> one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws to >> modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys >> routers, and resell them as a different product? >> >> >> > I can't imagine any copyright problems and if you remove Linksys from > the box there shouldn't be any trademark issues either. As long as you > bought the unit from Linksys/Cisco the first-sale doctrine > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#The_first-sale_doctrine_and_exhaustion_of_rights) > should apply. > > On the other hand, depending on what mods you make to the hardware, you > may need to deal with getting the appropriate paperwork through the FCC. > > As usual, if you're really concerned you should find a real lawyer > rather than relying on a mailing list. > > --rick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Have you looked at Meraki.net? Might spark some ideas. I think they're open source. Tom From teeahr1 at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 14:18:41 2007 From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:18:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... In-Reply-To: <46BA13FD.4010703@visi.com> References: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> <46BA13FD.4010703@visi.com> Message-ID: <1f729feb0708081218p3b8deed4n72ef472f4b9147cc@mail.gmail.com> I agree. On 8/8/07, rwh wrote: > > Even if they are the same computer I don't quite see where you fit into > the transaction(s). > > Someone had a G4 PB that they were willing to sell at $200. The buyer > turns around and tries to sell it for $650. I don't see the problem. > > --rick > > canito at dalan.us wrote: > > Just out of curitosity is this the exact same computer? > > > > I mean I did a comparison and man, do all MACS get the same exact > > wear? Are my eyes playing games on me? > > > > Below is the original post: > > > > Here is what I found on Craisglist: > > > > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/392114931.html > > > > http://botwerks.org/images/g4_pbook/ > > > > My rant here is if you purchased this for $200 obo and now selling > > this for $650??????? > > > > Shame on you!!!! > > > > If I am wrong, I do apologize dearly...... > > > > > > Not.... > > > > ----- Forwarded message from webmaster at mn-linux.org ----- > > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:25:57 -0500 > > From: TCLUG Classifieds > > Reply-To: TCLUG Classifieds > > Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > > > Category: Computer > > > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > > > Subject: powerbook g4 (1.25 Ghz) > > > > 1.25Ghz PowerPC G4 powerbook - 512M of RAM, 80G hard drive. it's been > > a trusty companion for a couple of years now and makes for a handy > > floater laptop around the house. > > > > misc. additional stuff > > - integrated bluetooth > > - integrated Wireless > > - integrated gigabit ethernet > > - USB 2.0 ports > > - firewire 400 port > > - firewire 800 port > > - fully patched fresh install of OS X (10.4.10) > > - includes spare battery > > - includes system restoration disc > > > > $200 / OBO > > > > more pictures here: > > http://tinyurl.com/252yd3 > > > > > > Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070808/7d8aadaf/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 14:16:24 2007 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:16:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Larry R. Pint > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:21 PM > To: admin at lctn.org; tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > > I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of > copyright violation to me. > > Larry Probably more than that. Just the interface to the ROMs is a proprietary hardware and software design by itself. Probably has some patent coverage as well. Clear case of substantial plagiarism in both hardware and software, unless by agreement and marked as such. .. and, as noted, probably will require new FCC test, certification, approval, etc. Only way around all that is to sell as a DIY kit. Chuck > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > > linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > > > I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will > get > > one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws > to > > modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > > routers, and resell them as a different product? > > > > -- > From rwh at visi.com Wed Aug 8 14:41:22 2007 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:41:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46BA1C62.60105@visi.com> I think you're all missing that point that by purchasing the original unit you've paid for the license to all of that stuff for that individual unit. You're perfectly free to re-badge the thing as Uncle Ned's Truly Good WAP and Linksys can't do anything about it - that's what the doctrine of first-sale is all about. If I write notes in the margins of a book, I'm still free to sell that book and the publisher can't stop me. Now if you were extracting Linksys's ROM code for some other unit there would be copyright issues. If you were buying their units, hacking on them and reselling them without at least a disclaimer that they had been mod'ed there could be issues regarding the Linksys trademark. --rick Chuck Cole wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Larry R. Pint >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:21 PM >> To: admin at lctn.org; tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question >> >> >> I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of >> copyright violation to me. >> >> Larry >> > > > Probably more than that. Just the interface to the ROMs is a proprietary > hardware and software design by itself. > > Probably has some patent coverage as well. > > Clear case of substantial plagiarism in both hardware and software, unless > by agreement and marked as such. > > .. and, as noted, probably will require new FCC test, certification, > approval, etc. > > Only way around all that is to sell as a DIY kit. > > > Chuck > > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- >>> linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question >>> >>> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will >>> >> get >> >>> one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws >>> >> to >> >>> modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys >>> routers, and resell them as a different product? >>> >>> -- >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Aug 8 14:24:36 2007 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:24:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... In-Reply-To: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> References: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: <46BA1874.4050908@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 canito at dalan.us wrote: > My rant here is if you purchased this for $200 obo and now selling > this for $650??????? God bless America. - -- Andy Moore The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFGuhh0iwhv4FBqkV8RAswUAJ954VLSP3dO5he4HovULWjceeCQtwCcCMU4 XoevQM59ghXhZ68pGBCPpAg= =abDW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tpenney at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 14:56:05 2007 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:56:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <46BA1C62.60105@visi.com> References: <46BA1C62.60105@visi.com> Message-ID: <5c596d0e0708081256p5090504ep777d434fd72c2a46@mail.gmail.com> Writing in the margin of the book is one thing but what if you purchased a book and replaced the cover with one that said you wrote the book, then sold it as your own work? That seems a closer analogy to this situation. On 8/8/07, rwh wrote: > > I think you're all missing that point that by purchasing the original > unit you've paid for the license to all of that stuff for that > individual unit. You're perfectly free to re-badge the thing as Uncle > Ned's Truly Good WAP and Linksys can't do anything about it - that's > what the doctrine of first-sale is all about. If I write notes in the > margins of a book, I'm still free to sell that book and the publisher > can't stop me. > > Now if you were extracting Linksys's ROM code for some other unit there > would be copyright issues. If you were buying their units, hacking on > them and reselling them without at least a disclaimer that they had been > mod'ed there could be issues regarding the Linksys trademark. > > --rick > > Chuck Cole wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Larry R. Pint > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:21 PM > >> To: admin at lctn.org; tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > >> > >> > >> I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of > >> copyright violation to me. > >> > >> Larry > >> > > > > > > Probably more than that. Just the interface to the ROMs is a > proprietary > > hardware and software design by itself. > > > > Probably has some patent coverage as well. > > > > Clear case of substantial plagiarism in both hardware and software, > unless > > by agreement and marked as such. > > > > .. and, as noted, probably will require new FCC test, certification, > > approval, etc. > > > > Only way around all that is to sell as a DIY kit. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > >>> linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM > >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > >>> > >>> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will > >>> > >> get > >> > >>> one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws > >>> > >> to > >> > >>> modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > >>> routers, and resell them as a different product? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > > > > > -- - Tom Penney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070808/d19a293e/attachment-0001.htm From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Wed Aug 8 14:57:08 2007 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A (MN14)) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:57:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4FFB81DE8AC2554886840BC6C8BE5893A3F220@MN65EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> > I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will get > one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws to > modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > routers, and resell them as a different product? IANAL but I believe the first-sale doctrine limitation on copyright would apply. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine You would need to disclose the fact the unit had been modified or risk running afoul of TRADEMARK protection, but I don't believe they can stop you from reselling lawfully acquired equipment, modified or not. From admin at lctn.org Wed Aug 8 14:53:58 2007 From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:53:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <46BA0E22.7040805@visi.com> References: <38357.198.68.252.253.1186596587.squirrel@lctn.org> <46BA0E22.7040805@visi.com> Message-ID: <15849.64.8.170.129.1186602838.squirrel@lctn.org> > As usual, if you're really concerned you should find a real lawyer > rather than relying on a mailing list. Absolutely! This was the kind of info I was looking for to get the ball rolling. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 15:30:35 2007 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:30:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: <46BA1C62.60105@visi.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: rwh [mailto:rwh at visi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:41 PM > > I think you're all missing that point that by purchasing the original > unit you've paid for the license to all of that stuff for that > individual unit. For that unit, and only that unit, and not for use as prototype of any new product. Can modify or sell that unit, but not as if it's all your design, etc. Chuck From josh at tcbug.org Wed Aug 8 15:31:47 2007 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:31:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... In-Reply-To: <1f729feb0708081218p3b8deed4n72ef472f4b9147cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> <46BA13FD.4010703@visi.com> <1f729feb0708081218p3b8deed4n72ef472f4b9147cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070808203147.GB83613@tcbug.org> Pete wrote: > I agree. > > On 8/8/07, rwh wrote: > > > > Even if they are the same computer I don't quite see where you fit into > > the transaction(s). > > > > Someone had a G4 PB that they were willing to sell at $200. The buyer > > turns around and tries to sell it for $650. I don't see the problem. > > > > --rick > > Some time ago I was driving down a road, and saw a business having a going out of business sale. I stopped in to see what they had, a bunch of desktop computers and stuff. In the corner they had a cisco 1841 router with two v2 T1 DSU cards in it, and a 2950-24 switch. Feigning some disintrest I told the guy that I'd give him $150 for them both. He accepted and I paid cash and took off with them. After 3 phone calls and about 45 minutes I had the switch sold for $150 cash and the router and DSU cards sold for $900 cash. The guy buying the router from me treated me about the way I treated the guy I bought the stuff from, he was over like a shot, paid cash, was on his way. Now, I know he knew the real value of that router (closer to $1500) Even used those DSU cards go for $500 each all the time. I didn't bother telling him what I paid for it, or why I was willing to sell it cheap (that the markup I was getting was more than enough for me considering the time I had in to it) and I'm sure he wouldn't have believed me even if I told him I paid $150 for it. What is the value of a used piece of equipment? What a willing seller will accept from a willing buyer. In the case of this laptop it looks like the value changed a bit. Why do you care again exactly? -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You're perfectly free to re-badge the thing as Uncle > Ned's Truly Good WAP and Linksys can't do anything about it - that's > what the doctrine of first-sale is all about. If I write notes in the > margins of a book, I'm still free to sell that book and the publisher > can't stop me. > > Now if you were extracting Linksys's ROM code for some other unit there > would be copyright issues. If you were buying their units, hacking on > them and reselling them without at least a disclaimer that they had been > mod'ed there could be issues regarding the Linksys trademark. > > --rick > > Chuck Cole wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Larry R. Pint > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:21 PM > >> To: admin at lctn.org; tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > >> > >> > >> I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of > >> copyright violation to me. > >> > >> Larry > >> > > > > > > Probably more than that. Just the interface to the ROMs is a > proprietary > > hardware and software design by itself. > > > > Probably has some patent coverage as well. > > > > Clear case of substantial plagiarism in both hardware and software, > unless > > by agreement and marked as such. > > > > .. and, as noted, probably will require new FCC test, certification, > > approval, etc. > > > > Only way around all that is to sell as a DIY kit. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > >>> linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM > >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > >>> > >>> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I will > >>> > >> get > >> > >>> one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other laws > >>> > >> to > >> > >>> modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used Linksys > >>> routers, and resell them as a different product? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at lizakowski.com Wed Aug 8 16:12:14 2007 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:12:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Shame on you, it is....... In-Reply-To: <20070808203147.GB83613@tcbug.org> References: <20070808132820.sgdrnbd2gock84wk@mail.dalan.us> <1f729feb0708081218p3b8deed4n72ef472f4b9147cc@mail.gmail.com> <20070808203147.GB83613@tcbug.org> Message-ID: <200708081612.15662.tclug@lizakowski.com> If the original seller was providing a discount to promote the community, then it's worth noting that the item is to be resold for profit. Or maybe the seller didn't care, in which case it's better. The poster fits into the transaction as being part of the market. The free flow of information helps capitalism work by keeping buy/sell prices nearly equal, minus any value added. If there's no problem with making money off of lack of information, then there's no problem in someone making that information available. J On Wednesday 08 August 2007 3:31 pm, Josh Paetzel wrote: > Pete wrote: > > I agree. > > > > On 8/8/07, rwh wrote: > > > Even if they are the same computer I don't quite see where you fit into > > > the transaction(s). > > > > > > Someone had a G4 PB that they were willing to sell at $200. The buyer > > > turns around and tries to sell it for $650. I don't see the problem. > > > > > > --rick > > Some time ago I was driving down a road, and saw a business having a > going out of business sale. > > I stopped in to see what they had, a bunch of desktop computers and > stuff. In the corner they had a cisco 1841 router with two v2 T1 DSU > cards in it, and a 2950-24 switch. Feigning some disintrest I told > the guy that I'd give him $150 for them both. He accepted and I paid > cash and took off with them. > > After 3 phone calls and about 45 minutes I had the switch sold for > $150 cash and the router and DSU cards sold for $900 cash. The guy > buying the router from me treated me about the way I treated the guy I > bought the stuff from, he was over like a shot, paid cash, was on his > way. Now, I know he knew the real value of that router (closer to > $1500) Even used those DSU cards go for $500 each all the time. I > didn't bother telling him what I paid for it, or why I was willing to > sell it cheap (that the markup I was getting was more than enough for > me considering the time I had in to it) and I'm sure he wouldn't have > believed me even if I told him I paid $150 for it. > > What is the value of a used piece of equipment? What a willing seller > will accept from a willing buyer. > > In the case of this laptop it looks like the value changed a bit. Why > do you care again exactly? From rwh at visi.com Wed Aug 8 16:24:38 2007 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:24:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46BA3496.6040409@visi.com> You're confusing the IP of the book with the physical book itself. I can go buy a book, write anything I want anywhere on it and then sell that physical copy to you. I can't print additional copies of the book. I can't assert any ownership of the copyright of the book. But for that single copy I am free to do whatever I please and the copyright holder can't interfere. I'm curious how your analysis works with something like a white-box PC. Do you really think that these shops have agreements with every component manufacturer? They don't. They buy the motherboard, memory, hard drives, etc. and build the Hole-in-the-wall Dual Core Special. This case is no different. The used Linksys units are simply inputs to his new product. For every device he sells he's buying a Linksys unit with the appropriate licensing for that unit. --rick Larry R. Pint wrote: > So you're saying that I can buy a book, change a few lines in it, put a > new cover on it and resell it as my book? I don't think so! > > Larry > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- >> linux.org] On Behalf Of rwh >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:41 PM >> To: Chuck Cole >> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question >> >> I think you're all missing that point that by purchasing the original >> unit you've paid for the license to all of that stuff for that >> individual unit. You're perfectly free to re-badge the thing as Uncle >> Ned's Truly Good WAP and Linksys can't do anything about it - that's >> what the doctrine of first-sale is all about. If I write notes in the >> margins of a book, I'm still free to sell that book and the publisher >> can't stop me. >> >> Now if you were extracting Linksys's ROM code for some other unit >> > there > >> would be copyright issues. If you were buying their units, hacking on >> them and reselling them without at least a disclaimer that they had >> > been > >> mod'ed there could be issues regarding the Linksys trademark. >> >> --rick >> From florin at iucha.net Wed Aug 8 16:29:48 2007 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:29:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: References: <46BA1C62.60105@visi.com> Message-ID: <20070808212948.GD7077@iucha.net> On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 04:05:33PM -0500, Larry R. Pint wrote: > So you're saying that I can buy a book, change a few lines in it, put a > new cover on it and resell it as my book? I don't think so! You can probably sell that _instance_. The author has been compensated. Now, there might be some other "misrepresentation" claims, if the author feels the new work shows him in a bad light. Put it some other way: would Linksys be hurt if I buy a router, remove all the electronics inside and sell the case as a router to somebody else? florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070808/a4cd4c2f/attachment.pgp From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 17:05:19 2007 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:05:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry R. Pint [mailto:Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:06 PM > To: rwh; Chuck Cole > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > > > So you're saying that I can buy a book, change a few lines in it, put a > new cover on it and resell it as my book? I don't think so! > > Larry I never said anything like that. Chuck > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > > linux.org] On Behalf Of rwh > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:41 PM > > To: Chuck Cole > > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > > > I think you're all missing that point that by purchasing the original > > unit you've paid for the license to all of that stuff for that > > individual unit. You're perfectly free to re-badge the thing as Uncle > > Ned's Truly Good WAP and Linksys can't do anything about it - that's > > what the doctrine of first-sale is all about. If I write notes in the > > margins of a book, I'm still free to sell that book and the publisher > > can't stop me. > > > > Now if you were extracting Linksys's ROM code for some other unit > there > > would be copyright issues. If you were buying their units, hacking on > > them and reselling them without at least a disclaimer that they had > been > > mod'ed there could be issues regarding the Linksys trademark. > > > > --rick > > > > Chuck Cole wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Larry R. Pint > > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:21 PM > > >> To: admin at lctn.org; tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > >> > > >> > > >> I am not a lawyer, but that sound like a pretty clear instance of > > >> copyright violation to me. > > >> > > >> Larry > > >> > > > > > > > > > Probably more than that. Just the interface to the ROMs is a > > proprietary > > > hardware and software design by itself. > > > > > > Probably has some patent coverage as well. > > > > > > Clear case of substantial plagiarism in both hardware and software, > > unless > > > by agreement and marked as such. > > > > > > .. and, as noted, probably will require new FCC test, certification, > > > approval, etc. > > > > > > Only way around all that is to sell as a DIY kit. > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > > >>> linux.org] On Behalf Of admin at lctn.org > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:10 PM > > >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > >>> Subject: [tclug-list] OT copy write question > > >>> > > >>> I am waiting for a response from Linksys on this, but not sure I > will > > >>> > > >> get > > >> > > >>> one. Anyone know if it is a violation of any copy write, or other > laws > > >>> > > >> to > > >> > > >>> modify the hardware, replace the software, and case, on used > Linksys > > >>> routers, and resell them as a different product? > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: > 8/7/2007 4:06 PM > > From bob.hartmann at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 16:06:30 2007 From: bob.hartmann at gmail.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:06:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki admin job- contract Message-ID: OMG, I wanted to go for this, but I'm already committed. She asked me if I knew anyone with Wiki experience and said it would be OK if I sent her address around a little. Apparently, "Wiki" doesn't get a lot of search hits on Dice. Contact Molly 952.546.3300 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070809/4a0aa0f5/attachment.htm From swaite at sbn-services.com Thu Aug 9 21:41:24 2007 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:41:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue Message-ID: I have a very puzzling issue that just came up out of the blue. It appears that I can not access this one server (OpenSuse 10.2) from the outside world, either through the PIX firewall externally, or even from the VPN. Onsite I can access the website, SSH, etc. just fine. I can ping the server from the PIX firewall successfully. Also, 2 other WAN IPs to different servers are readily accessible, so I highly doubt this is an issue with the PIX. Right now via a VPN I can not access the server, yet if I Remote Desktop to another server I can SSH in. I see nothing in the way of configuration or services that could be blocking this. Of course the most obvious is that the Opensuse has a firewall running denying non-local IPs....except this is not the case, the firewall is currently disabled to rule this issue out. Sean Waite -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070809/adff601a/attachment.htm From tclug at natecarlson.com Thu Aug 9 22:29:56 2007 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:29:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Sean Waite wrote: > I have a very puzzling issue that just came up out of the blue. It > appears that I can not access this one server (OpenSuse 10.2) from the > outside world, either through the PIX firewall externally, or even from > the VPN. Onsite I can access the website, SSH, etc. just fine. I can > ping the server from the PIX firewall successfully. Also, 2 other WAN > IPs to different servers are readily accessible, so I highly doubt this > is an issue with the PIX. Are you missing the default gateway? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From swaite at sbn-services.com Thu Aug 9 23:44:21 2007 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:44:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why yes I am! Now how in the world could this have been removed? I was thinking that maybe some service I was not seeing either failed to start, or had started and was causing conflicts. But sure enough I took a look at the adapter's settings and saw that there was nothing for default route. Although this solves the current issue, I am now more concerned how this could have changed. I am not a Windows basher, but really this is the kind of weird things that happens to Windows. Sean Waite -----Original Message----- From: Nate Carlson To: Sean Waite Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:29:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Sean Waite wrote: > I have a very puzzling issue that just came up out of the blue. It > appears that I can not access this one server (OpenSuse 10.2) from the > outside world, either through the PIX firewall externally, or even from > the VPN. Onsite I can access the website, SSH, etc. just fine. I can > ping the server from the PIX firewall successfully. Also, 2 other WAN > IPs to different servers are readily accessible, so I highly doubt this > is an issue with the PIX. Are you missing the default gateway? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com [http://www.natecarlson.com/] | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070809/0d8e3138/attachment.htm From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Aug 10 06:50:21 2007 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:50:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070810065021.fn4hyfh9ajrsck8c@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com> Quoting Sean Waite : > I have a very puzzling issue that just came up out of the blue. It appears > that I can not access this one server (OpenSuse 10.2) from the outside > world, either through the PIX firewall externally, or even from the VPN. > Onsite I can access the website, SSH, etc. just fine. I can ping the server > from the PIX firewall successfully. Also, 2 other WAN IPs to different > servers are readily accessible, so I highly doubt this is an issue with the > PIX. > > Right now via a VPN I can not access the server, yet if I Remote Desktop to > another server I can SSH in. I see nothing in the way of configuration or > services that could be blocking this. Of course the most obvious is that the > Opensuse has a firewall running denying non-local IPs....except this is not > the case, the firewall is currently disabled to rule this issue out. > > Sean Waite > Did the default route get borked? That's what it sounds like most to me, it can be accessed just fine from the LAN, but anytime something needs to go through the gateway you get nada. A quick `route -n` should let you know if that is the case. Josh From josh at joshwelch.com Fri Aug 10 06:51:30 2007 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:51:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070810065130.dqgw2yaedmlsosss@bullwinkle.joshwelch.com> I will read the whole thread before I respond I will read the whole thread before I respond I will read the whole thread before I respond I will read the whole thread before I respond I will read the whole thread before I respond ... Quoting Sean Waite : > Why yes I am! Now how in the world could this have been removed? I was > thinking that maybe some service I was not seeing either failed to start, or > had started and was causing conflicts. But sure enough I took a look at the > adapter's settings and saw that there was nothing for default route. > Although this solves the current issue, I am now more concerned how this > could have changed. I am not a Windows basher, but really this is the kind > of weird things that happens to Windows. > > Sean Waite > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nate Carlson > > To: Sean Waite > > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:29:56 -0500 (CDT) > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue > > > > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Sean Waite wrote: > >> I have a very puzzling issue that just came up out of the blue. It > >> appears that I can not access this one server (OpenSuse 10.2) from the > >> outside world, either through the PIX firewall externally, or even from > >> the VPN. Onsite I can access the website, SSH, etc. just fine. I can > >> ping the server from the PIX firewall successfully. Also, 2 other WAN > >> IPs to different servers are readily accessible, so I highly doubt this > >> is an issue with the PIX. > > > > Are you missing the default gateway? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com > [http://www.natecarlson.com/] | > > | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From tclug at natecarlson.com Fri Aug 10 10:47:36 2007 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:47:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Sean Waite wrote: > Why yes I am! Now how in the world could this have been removed? I was > thinking that maybe some service I was not seeing either failed to > start, or had started and was causing conflicts. But sure enough I took > a look at the adapter's settings and saw that there was nothing for > default route. Although this solves the current issue, I am now more > concerned how this could have changed. I am not a Windows basher, but > really this is the kind of weird things that happens to Windows. Well, have you checked the network config to ensure that it's there? I don't have much OpenSuSe experience, so can't tell you exactly where to check. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jeruvin at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 12:54:46 2007 From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:54:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> MySQL server running redhat at an offsite co-location. I would like to have a local server with an updated (live?) copy of the data that is currently on the co-location server. The database is well over 40GB with changes daily only being about 120MB. It seems like a VPN solution could link the two sites. What would I do for the server to have them synchronize? Would there be any difficulties in keeping the two server synced if connectivity dropped for any reason (hardware, internet, etc...). Any direction or help is appreciated. Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070810/73d09e38/attachment.htm From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 13:49:50 2007 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:49:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Have you looked into MySQL Replication or Clustering? http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-intro.html http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-cluster.html -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From brockn at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 14:09:03 2007 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:09:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> At least with Mysql 4, replication is a hassle to "sync" when the connection drops or a server crashes. If your expecting a someone unreliable connection, I doubt that will work. How current does the remote location need to be? Brock On 8/10/07, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > Have you looked into MySQL Replication or Clustering? > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-intro.html > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-cluster.html > > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; > 0 rows returned > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeruvin at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 14:36:35 2007 From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:36:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> I have not looked into replication yet (will do now). If it was realtime that would be amazing, but daily would be sufficient. When you mention replication is a problem with a poor connection I was looking more into what would happen if it went down. The internet connection is a good one, but you never know what will happen. jason On 8/10/07, Brock Noland wrote: > > At least with Mysql 4, replication is a hassle to "sync" when the > connection drops or a server crashes. If your expecting a someone > unreliable connection, I doubt that will work. > > How current does the remote location need to be? > > Brock > > On 8/10/07, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > > Have you looked into MySQL Replication or Clustering? > > > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-intro.html > > > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-cluster.html > > > > > > -- > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; > > 0 rows returned > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070810/25f03523/attachment.htm From marc at e-skinner.net Fri Aug 10 14:49:37 2007 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:49:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46BCC151.4000806@e-skinner.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 i havn't tried mysql 5.x but with 4.x a master/slave replica should work just fine - as long as you have bin-logging turned on. when the master can't see the slave, it just logs locally, then when it can see the slave, it dumps all the changes to it. it seems to work fine for me. i would also suggest using OPENVPN for the SSL VPN between sites, i used this in a similar situation and it was an extremely stable solution and could easily handle the 45mb DS3 we were trying to push to the main site - - just make sure you change the config from UDP to TCP for the SSL tunnel protocol - that worked a bit better for us. jason reynolds wrote: > I have not looked into replication yet (will do now). > > If it was realtime that would be amazing, but daily would be sufficient. > When you mention replication is a problem with a poor connection I was > looking more into what would happen if it went down. The internet connection > is a good one, but you never know what will happen. > jason > > On 8/10/07, Brock Noland wrote: >> At least with Mysql 4, replication is a hassle to "sync" when the >> connection drops or a server crashes. If your expecting a someone >> unreliable connection, I doubt that will work. >> >> How current does the remote location need to be? >> >> Brock >> >> On 8/10/07, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: >>> Have you looked into MySQL Replication or Clustering? >>> >>> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-intro.html >>> >>> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-cluster.html >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us >>> SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; >>> 0 rows returned >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGvMFRvE9HrEfeE4cRAuEiAJ9mPw/lbO1VOwTFOaQnxSWhIAwWlgCghS9t LBb9RHtHfDUD/7lLZGZvy5E= =j5Df -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brockn at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 15:48:26 2007 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:48:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb80708101348j59adaf56qe152beb8337f8bec@mail.gmail.com> In 4, its a pain to restart replication as writes have to be stopped. Binary logs have to copied over and then restarted. I heard google submitted some changes to improve replication though. Maybe its better now. Daily would be very easy as you could simply write a bash script to scp a db dump over. Brock On 8/10/07, jason reynolds wrote: > I have not looked into replication yet (will do now). > > If it was realtime that would be amazing, but daily would be sufficient. > When you mention replication is a problem with a poor connection I was > looking more into what would happen if it went down. The internet connection > is a good one, but you never know what will happen. > jason > > > On 8/10/07, Brock Noland wrote: > > At least with Mysql 4, replication is a hassle to "sync" when the > > connection drops or a server crashes. If your expecting a someone > > unreliable connection, I doubt that will work. > > > > How current does the remote location need to be? > > > > Brock > > > > On 8/10/07, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > > > Have you looked into MySQL Replication or Clustering? > > > > > > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-intro.html > > > > > > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-cluster.html > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > > > SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; > > > 0 rows returned > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Aug 10 16:14:31 2007 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:14:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <10365.1186780410@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101348j59adaf56qe152beb8337f8bec@mail.gmail.com> <10365.1186780410@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <10386.1186780471@skuld.wookimus.net> It is a pain to restart an application after writes are so far out of sync it cannot catch-up. However, MySQL should be able to operate well under most downtime conditions. The exception to this is if you try to do a fault-event takeover. Both the slave and master are capable of writing to the database, but the slave writes just never make it up-stream. If you have a master/slave relationship, then the only way to really have a slave-takeover-for-master scenario is to break any slave conditions until you can manually start them up again. For example, we're using ucarp to multicast/coordinate an IP address takeover scheme. If for some reason the slave takes over as master, I force it to drop all knowledge it had of being a slave. Should the master server come back up, it wouldn't try to re-sync from the point it left off. If the master notices itself being downgraded to a slave, I have it shut down and refuse to come back up until I've had a chance to re-sync it with the current master. Having the old master sync with the new is possible to script, but you need a backup snapshot and information about the binlog (location and position). I will need to write such an application soon, and plan to do it in something like perl or python. The reason being is that you must keep your mysql sessions open while placing read locks on the tables. If your session ends, the locks are cleared. Trying to do this in portable shell is a challenge. The locks are only necessary while taking your backup (or while you create your LVM snapshot) and retrieving the "show master status" data. Once the backup is made, you're in the clear. One thing I did notice is that you can run a FLUSH LOGS style command to generate a new binlog with a predictable file position. So, it is scriptable, just need to do the work to make it happen. I can't that I've successfully found such a script on the net yet. Chad From brockn at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 16:20:23 2007 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:20:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations In-Reply-To: <10365.1186780410@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <6eb23c4e0708101054w67beb1fn61642901d0eadf2@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101209q7a509281p410f3b42d9a7078e@mail.gmail.com> <6eb23c4e0708101236ke68ad5amc389f506f712dc7c@mail.gmail.com> <741dcbb80708101348j59adaf56qe152beb8337f8bec@mail.gmail.com> <10365.1186780410@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <741dcbb80708101420i74fcf73cm21a1c6995c493bb1@mail.gmail.com> Woops, looks like you missed the list. This is good information. As I remember my slave kept losing its internet connection due some config problems on the U network and it did not take long before it could not recover. However, this was 3+ years ago... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chad Walstrom Date: Aug 10, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Duplicate MySQL server in two seperate locations To: Brock Noland It is a pain to restart an application after writes are so far out of sync it cannot catch-up. However, MySQL should be able to operate well under most downtime conditions. The exception to this is if you try to do a fault-event takeover. Both the slave and master are capable of writing to the database, but the slave writes just never make it up-stream. If you have a master/slave relationship, then the only way to really have a slave-takeover-for-master scenario is to break any slave conditions until you can manually start them up again. For example, we're using ucarp to multicast/coordinate an IP address takeover scheme. If for some reason the slave takes over as master, I force it to drop all knowledge it had of being a slave. Should the master server come back up, it wouldn't try to re-sync from the point it left off. If the master notices itself being downgraded to a slave, I have it shut down and refuse to come back up until I've had a chance to re-sync it with the current master. Having the old master sync with the new is possible to script, but you need a backup snapshot and information about the binlog (location and position). I will need to write such an application soon, and plan to do it in something like perl or python. The reason being is that you must keep your mysql sessions open while placing read locks on the tables. If your session ends, the locks are cleared. Trying to do this in portable shell is a challenge. The locks are only necessary while taking your backup (or while you create your LVM snapshot) and retrieving the "show master status" data. Once the backup is made, you're in the clear. One thing I did notice is that you can run a FLUSH LOGS style command to generate a new binlog with a predictable file position. So, it is scriptable, just need to do the work to make it happen. I can't that I've successfully found such a script on the net yet. From jack at jacku.com Fri Aug 10 23:51:36 2007 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:51:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server - no outside access issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200708102351.37400.jack@jacku.com> On Friday 10 August 2007 10:47 am, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Sean Waite wrote: > > Why yes I am! Now how in the world could this have been removed? I was > > thinking that maybe some service I was not seeing either failed to > > start, or had started and was causing conflicts. But sure enough I took > > a look at the adapter's settings and saw that there was nothing for > > default route. Although this solves the current issue, I am now more > > concerned how this could have changed. I am not a Windows basher, but > > really this is the kind of weird things that happens to Windows. > > Well, have you checked the network config to ensure that it's there? I > don't have much OpenSuSe experience, so can't tell you exactly where to > check. > I do. 8^) Not sure how it would have gotten lost. The easiest way to set the default gateway on SuSE is to go into YaST and select Network Services. Then open Routing from there and enter your default gateway. -- Jack Ungerleider jack at jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Wed Aug 15 01:53:39 2007 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:53:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Install Fest This Saturday August 18th. Message-ID: <46C2A2F3.7000205@Goecke-Dolan.com> Linux Install Fest August 18, 2007 From 10:00 to 4:00 at TIES in the Grand Hall (Above the parking garage) (A/C and Wi-Fi included) We will be able to install most Linux version, and should be able to download any Linux version you need. Please download a install poster and post to your favorite coffee shop, work, where ever Linux interested people may be! More info at http://www.PenguinsUnbound.org Hope to see you there! ==>brian. From bdunnette at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 11:37:44 2007 From: bdunnette at gmail.com (Brian Dunnette) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:37:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? Message-ID: Hey all- I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free Geek (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? Obvious reasons it won't work? Thanks, Brian Dunnette bdunnette at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070815/47b2e7ae/attachment.htm From tonyyarusso at comcast.net Wed Aug 15 11:49:24 2007 From: tonyyarusso at comcast.net (Anthony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:49:24 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46C32E94.9070605@comcast.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Dunnette wrote: > Hey all- > > I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's > Free Geek (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was > wondering what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea > -- suggestions? Obvious reasons it won't work? > > Thanks, > Brian Dunnette > bdunnette at gmail.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I think it would be super cool, so if you have the time and resources go for it. I have been getting involved with the St. Vincent de Paul charity's thrift store in Minneapolis, which resells or donates old computers. I've been working on making a customized version of Xubuntu for them, but it's been sort of slow going because I'm fairly busy already. That might be a good outlet to team up with for the resale portion, although we'd need to add more on the safe disposal front. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGwy6T6iO+5ByUi/QRAsuAAJ9WR/kHGFX1EgVXjJh8a//H5NkVyQCdEF/n s5FaaZ0Q2kPjlSZC11Dw43M= =LkGY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From canito at dalan.us Wed Aug 15 11:59:35 2007 From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:59:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> Brian, List: I have always thought of doing something very similar. There was a building up for sale next to my school and I thought how cool it would be to have something in the realm of a community technology center! I am up for it, have extra equipment to use and would donate my time! Am not sure how well this flows with people since we're all busy adults. Sure we have very smart people with experience business experience! My .02 cents David Now that I remember. There is a gentleman who frequents TCLUG who builds computers with Linux and sells them in a thrift store were he volunteers. Quoting Brian Dunnette : > Hey all- > > I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free Geek > (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering what you, > the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? Obvious > reasons it won't work? > > Thanks, > Brian Dunnette > bdunnette at gmail.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From kjh at flyballdogs.com Wed Aug 15 12:07:46 2007 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:07:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> References: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: <18270.148.87.1.172.1187197666.squirrel@www.flyballdogs.com> Doesn't the guy who founded FreeGeek in Portland live in the Twin Cities now? -- Kathryn http://womensfooty.com From Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com Wed Aug 15 13:00:27 2007 From: Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com (Larry R. Pint) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:00:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Twin Cities PC Users Group has a program (called CompuDonors) where people can donate their old equipment, they will fix it up and donate it to different programs (primarily for handicapped people). See www.tcpc.com for more information. Larry Pint (TCPC member since about 1984) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Brian Dunnette Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:38 AM To: TCLUG List Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? Hey all- I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free Geek (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? Obvious reasons it won't work? Thanks, Brian Dunnette bdunnette at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070815/8e54aea2/attachment.htm From bdunnette at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 13:00:45 2007 From: bdunnette at gmail.com (Brian Dunnette) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:00:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> References: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: David- Thanks for the support! Yes, time would be the biggest constraint for me, too -- I know some Free Geek affiliates, such as Free Geek Chicago ( http://freegeekchicago.org/) are only open a couple of days a week, so maybe this would be a place to start... -Brian D. On 8/15/07, canito at dalan.us wrote: > > Brian, List: > > I have always thought of doing something very similar. There was a > building up for sale next to my school and I thought how cool it would > be to have something in the realm of a community technology center! > > I am up for it, have extra equipment to use and would donate my time! > > Am not sure how well this flows with people since we're all busy > adults. Sure we have very smart people with experience business > experience! > > My .02 cents > > David > > Now that I remember. There is a gentleman who frequents TCLUG who > builds computers with Linux and sells them in a thrift store were he > volunteers. > > > > > Quoting Brian Dunnette : > > > Hey all- > > > > I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free > Geek > > (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering what > you, > > the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- > suggestions? Obvious > > reasons it won't work? > > > > Thanks, > > Brian Dunnette > > bdunnette at gmail.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070815/2e43fc18/attachment.htm From benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 13:02:30 2007 From: benjamin.gramlich at gmail.com (Benjamin Gramlich) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:02:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: <18270.148.87.1.172.1187197666.squirrel@www.flyballdogs.com> References: <20070815115935.rt0ra0w2o08oo4cs@mail.dalan.us> <18270.148.87.1.172.1187197666.squirrel@www.flyballdogs.com> Message-ID: I'd help out, both with time, equipment, and maintenance. Maybe the way to get started is to partner with a community center or church that could provide a public space and storage. I loe the idea of FreeGeek, and would love to see something like this in the TC area. I used to hang out at many of the Dunn Bros. in downtown minneapolis, and their computers were almost always taken. Also, if you go to the library you'll see the same thing. There's definitely a demand for a community technology center and training. bg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070815/cbe017e3/attachment.htm From bdunnette at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 13:05:07 2007 From: bdunnette at gmail.com (Brian Dunnette) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:05:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Larry- Thanks for the info -- sounds like a great program, and pretty similar to Free Geek! I'll check it out -- do you know if the donated machines run Windows, Linux...? -Brian D. On 8/15/07, Larry R. Pint wrote: > > The Twin Cities PC Users Group has a program (called CompuDonors) where > people can donate their old equipment, they will fix it up and donate it to > different programs (primarily for handicapped people). See www.tcpc.comfor more information. > > > > Larry Pint > > (TCPC member since about 1984) > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Brian Dunnette > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:38 AM > *To:* TCLUG List > *Subject:* [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? > > > > Hey all- > > > > I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free > Geek (http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering > what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? > Obvious reasons it won't work? > > > > Thanks, > > Brian Dunnette > > bdunnette at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Yeah, I agree -- though there are quite a few technology centers in the Cities (http://www.c-can.org/centers.html), they seem to be mostly libraries, and mostly in Minneapolis, so there's probably room for more! Anyone have recommendations for a community organization that might be able to help with a space? I was wondering if someplace like the Green Institute (http://www.greeninstitute.org/) might be sympathetic... -Brian D. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Benjamin Gramlich" To: "Kathryn Hogg" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:02:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? I'd help out, both with time, equipment, and maintenance. Maybe the way to get started is to partner with a community center or church that could provide a public space and storage. I loe the idea of FreeGeek, and would love to see something like this in the TC area. I used to hang out at many of the Dunn Bros. in downtown minneapolis, and their computers were almost always taken. Also, if you go to the library you'll see the same thing. There's definitely a demand for a community technology center and training. bg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Brian Dunnette" To: "Larry R. Pint" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:05:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? Larry- Thanks for the info -- sounds like a great program, and pretty similar to Free Geek! I'll check it out -- do you know if the donated machines run Windows, Linux...? -Brian D. On 8/15/07, Larry R. Pint wrote: > > The Twin Cities PC Users Group has a program (called CompuDonors) where > people can donate their old equipment, they will fix it up and donate it to > different programs (primarily for handicapped people). See www.tcpc.comfor more information. > > > > Larry Pint > > (TCPC member since about 1984) > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] * On Behalf Of *Brian Dunnette > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:38 AM > *To:* TCLUG List > * Subject:* [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? > > > > Hey all- > > > > I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free > Geek ( http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering > what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? > Obvious reasons it won't work? > > > > Thanks, > > Brian Dunnette > > bdunnette at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20070815/450212e4/attachment.htm From wdtj at yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 14:43:14 2007 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <487249.1590.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Might be a good question for the Nonprofit_tech_talk mailing list... http://www.communityforum.net/mailman/listinfo/nonprofit_tech_talk Brian Dunnette wrote: Yeah, I agree -- though there are quite a few technology centers in the Cities (http://www.c-can.org/centers.html), they seem to be mostly libraries, and mostly in Minneapolis, so there's probably room for more! Anyone have recommendations for a community organization that might be able to help with a space? I was wondering if someplace like the Green Institute (http://www.greeninstitute.org/ ) might be sympathetic... -Brian D. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Benjamin Gramlich" To: "Kathryn Hogg" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:02:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? I'd help out, both with time, equipment, and maintenance. Maybe the way to get started is to partner with a community center or church that could provide a public space and storage. I loe the idea of FreeGeek, and would love to see something like this in the TC area. I used to hang out at many of the Dunn Bros. in downtown minneapolis, and their computers were almost always taken. Also, if you go to the library you'll see the same thing. There's definitely a demand for a community technology center and training. bg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Brian Dunnette" To: "Larry R. Pint" < Larry.Pint at ntuminc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:05:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? Larry- Thanks for the info -- sounds like a great program, and pretty similar to Free Geek! I'll check it out -- do you know if the donated machines run Windows, Linux...? -Brian D. On 8/15/07, Larry R. Pint wrote: The Twin Cities PC Users Group has a program (called CompuDonors) where people can donate their old equipment, they will fix it up and donate it to different programs (primarily for handicapped people). See www.tcpc.com for more information. Larry Pint (TCPC member since about 1984) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Brian Dunnette Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:38 AM To: TCLUG List Subject: [tclug-list] Slightly OT: Twin Cities Free Geek? Hey all- I've been thinking about starting something similar to Portland's Free Geek ( http://freegeek.org/) here in the Twin Cities, and was wondering what you, the local Linux cognoscenti, thought of the idea -- suggestions? Obvious reasons it won't work? Thanks, Brian Dunnette bdunnette at gmail.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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