> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brock Noland
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:13 PM
>
> Some cell phones have gps, but not the cheapies.  Even with the ones
> that do I doubt you could get it remotely.
>
> There maybe a market for such a device...
>
> Brock
>
>
> On 4/20/07, Harv Nelson <ai9nl at arrl.net> wrote:
> > IS it possible for an "ordinary" person like me to retrieve the GPS
> > info from a Cell phon.
> > > I'm thinking of hanging one of those cheapie prepaid
> walmart Variety
> > TRACphones...on my puppy's harness.  the next time she
> takes off after a
> > deer or kid on a bicycle. i'll be able to know exactlywhere
> she is with no
> > chasing, yelling or crying by pluging the numbers into map
> quest or google
> > earth. I can know exactly where she is and if I do it
> quickly enough ... how
> > she got there.
> >
> > thanks for any links, contacts or info.
> >
> > harv
> > washburn, wi


I checked into the GPS offered in a Verizon ad for phones that did GPS,
music, and photo storage.  One of my concerns was whether the phone
could provide GPS when off in the Boundary Waters and out of cell tower
reach.  Another concern was whether the phones provided actual lat/lon
coordinates.



The "GPS service" is NOT providing GPS coordinates to the phone user.
Their GPS works only through cell towers, and has none of the GPS
satellite data available to the phone user. It only supports their extra
cost map services.  The phones do not have actual GPS receivers
built-in: it's some funny business with cell tower signals, and they
call it "GPS".  I doubt that the towers are densely placed enough
outside major metro areas for that locator system to work, and their
extra cost maps probably don't go far outside of town either.  It seems
to be more like a Mapquest service to locate businesses.

The music storage and picture storage were dependent upon plug-in memory
cards that had not been made commercially available at the time of the
ads, and they had no availability schedule.  I asked whether the music
feature could work in the Boundary Waters away from towers, and what
storage capacity it would have.  They said the music system would not
work without a tower system in range, and did not work at all without
the memory card... same with photo storage.

Getting this data was very difficult.  I had to get deep into their
technical support department to get any credible answers at all.

I think there's another problem.  The locator system seems to be
"special access" like 911 services, and may require claiming an
emergency event to get any help at all.  There may be cost for
discovery/recovery by this means.

I think there are products that do true GPS locating, but I don't
believe cell phones presently do that for just anybody.  The amount of
BS about cell services is alarming!  I think it's false advertising.


Chuck