Ubuntu doesn't really advertise it much, but if you look carefully at all the links you'll notice a .torret file for each ISO. Ubuntu's download servers are generally fast enough without BitTorrent. ;-) Ubuntu is a nice intermediate between Debian Stable and Debian Unstable. While Debian Unstable is bleeding edge, and something might (will) break eventually, Ubuntu is more up to date than stable but not prone to the breakage like Unstable. All in all, just right for a desktop. The Ubuntu folks have also put effort into making the system nice and usable from the get go, where as with Debian the packages are pretty much configured how they would be after compiling from source. Most of your desktop administration can be done in GUI mode on Ubuntu, a nice feature for those new to linux. On Debian, if there is a GUI tool it may not be immediately obvious or it may not be installed by default. Personally, I recommend Ubuntu to anyone considering a Debian for their desktop. Both distributions have their merits. As for Ubuntu vs Debain on the server...both work equally well. Typing ubuntu server instead of simply hitting enter when installing Ubuntu will give you a bare minimum system. Nice feature. The only difference between the Ubuntu CD and the Ubuntu Server CD is which insaller mode is the default. ;-) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned