As I explained in the various other notes I've sent (including the original one I posted), I have tried most (if not all) the suggestions you gave me. I still having some people sending me mail on my work account, and others sending me mail on my yahoo account, and them me having to send mail between accounts in order to respond to each other. As far as it being an old issue, your right. I believe the problem for which the issue was designed to fix has all but been eliminated. Flexibility also includes revisiting decisions when the situation dictates. And please believe me, this was never meant as a personal attack. I manage several mailing lists myself and I understand that it's a no win situation. It was a knee jerk reaction to what I perceived to be an injustice. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 12:48 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Yahoo mail access to this mailing list > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Fine. Take your mailing list and shove it. > > > > Anyone want to join me in another mailing list. One with > fewer Nazis? > > Wow! If I were Jewish that last statement might be seen as offensive. > > Anyway, my response was terse and draconian. I should have > taken more time > to explain the response. > > I guess I haven't been to a tclug meeting lately. Anyone care > to recall how > I introduced myself in meetings in the past? :-) > > You can vent all you want on the mailing list about yahoo > accounts. You can > even fling mud with vague ethnic/religious insensitive > comments. You can > even rally members around great FOSS community words like > Free or are you > talking free? I have a pretty thick skin. > > Bottom line, I speak for the majority of the tclug community when I > said "Denied". There was a very long debate on the block, a > long running > poll was put in place, and the community decided to block yahoo. > > The potential exclusion of tclug members (current and future) > was throughly > debated, alternatives ways of reading -and- posting suggested, which > ultimately lead to the block. > > I hold the community line and enforce that decision. Hate me > for it if you > must, but it does related to how I introducted myself in past tclug > meetings. :-) > > Since it took a majority of the community to vote the block > in, I think it's > only fair that a poll and community vote be used to remove > the block. The > logic seems, well logical, right? > > > Now, here are my salvo's back... > > Let's talk about Free (speech) and free (beer, zero cost, none). > > - - You are Free to setup another mailing list and offer free > access to it. > What it will do is further fragment the community. Which is > something the > oldest members of this community work very hard at preventing. > - - You are Free to branch the community. Competition is > good. The strongest > branch will survive, normally swallowing the lesser branch. > Since 1999(?) > tclug has been the strongest branch. I don't see this > changing in the near > future. > - - Our community expects a spam-free mailing list, because of this > expectation some Freedoms have to be lost. Don't like it, > but it's the > hard facts. > - - You are Free to post (rant, scream) all you want on the > list. It's also a > Freedom the community grants. Heated words and firey > discussions wake up > the old-guard (see, you got me to post!). BUT this is a > public forum, it's > archived -and- available to the public. You post here, the > message is "out > there" forever. I encourage everyone to think of this last > point. The > community has also decided, that once posted, forever shall > it remain in > the archive. I've held that line with countless people > trying to remove > posts (OT: which does little, since google, wayback, etc crawls us > nightly). With employers adding google/myspace/'net > searches to their > employment checks won't it be terrible to not get into a > college because > of your stupid postings at MySpace when you where 15? Or > insensitive > comments to a mailing list? Think about it! > - - Since there are countless ways to read and post to this > group without > having using yahoo I think you'll not find much support for > your rant. > This community and FOSS in general reward people for > flexible, innovative > ideas. Be flexible try one of the other access methods. > > Finally, I'll add, gmane will let your Reply-To: be whatever > email address > you want, so you can still have your tclug posting be sent to > your yahoo > address. > > If you wish to further discuss this issue, please send me > private email, > I'll take some time away from reading the cliff notes on Mein Kampf to > answer. > > - -- > Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com> | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEoB3wfPGnCSzBsogRAsVrAJ4sWmzVQJERThkze+84zbSrsEXGcACePlw4 > fLz5XgFFALg322mltfoYtME= > =7kr7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >