From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sat Oct 1 00:30:46 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Sat Oct 1 00:31:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] 'rehash' in bash? In-Reply-To: <200509302003.24141.josh@tcbug.org> References: <200509302003.24141.josh@tcbug.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Friday 30 September 2005 18:29, Mike Miller wrote: > >> In tcsh we have 'rehash' to update the hash table of command paths when >> we've added a new executable in the path. What do you use for this in >> the bash shell? > > bash doesn't need any such thing. It "Just Works" (TM) Ha! Is that your trademark or Apple's? Thanks for the info and thanks especially to Dave Carlson. I now realize that the reason I wasn't "seeing" a certain file was that it wasn't in my path! I am using tcsh on most machines and have my path configured in the .tcshrc, but on this one machine I'm using bash and I just hadn't fixed the path. They really should make tcsh search the path when the file isn't found instead of forcing the user (who might not know better) to type 'rehash.' I'm in the process of switching to bash from tcsh. It seems like a good plan giving current trends. I want to teach students in bash instead of teaching them in tcsh. I come from a Solaris background and there we used csh for years (painful years) before discovering the wonders of tcsh. There are reasons to prefer bash to tcsh (and a few reasons to prefer tcsh to bash too), but I'm switching mostly because bash is the default in Linux and in OS X which is positioning it as a likely winner for the next decade or so. Mike From tclug at greatlakedata.com Sat Oct 1 03:13:48 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sat Oct 1 03:15:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] help! i don't want to be dragged back into outlook! Message-ID: <433E453C.8010309@greatlakedata.com> hi, we've hit a problem with thunderbird. apparently when you paste stuff from Word into thunderbird, and your recipient uses outlook, outlook then displays a raft of useless tags generated by word and ignored by thunderbird, often so badly trashing the message as to render it unreadable. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=1777205 no way i'm going to convince our director to stop pasting stuff from our vast array of Word documents. nor can i expect a friendly response to a suggestion that he use plain text only. and of course there's no way we can get all his correspondants to stop using outlook. you can't rule people not even in your own organization. what's left? well it seemed a miracle i got him to switch to thunderbird, but, it looks ominous now we're running headlong into a switch back to outlook. help! i want some other solution! maybe a different email program? tia, greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From kcbnac at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 10:12:26 2005 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Sat Oct 1 10:13:12 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] help! i don't want to be dragged back into outlook! In-Reply-To: <433E453C.8010309@greatlakedata.com> References: <433E453C.8010309@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <32fd4537051001081290d8a1a@mail.gmail.com> The "fix" is either a modification to TBird's codebase, or maybe an extension (hey, that'd be cool!) although I have *no* idea what it would take to make one that would remove these erroneous tags...is this just a normal word document, or one from word saved as HTML locally, or what? (I can try to recreate the situation here, I've got Office 2003, and can get access to Office XP, 2000, and maybe even 97, so what version(s) are you using?) I can't write the code or extension, but I can at least help track it down :D Keith Bachman On 10/1/05, greg wm wrote: > > hi, > > we've hit a problem with thunderbird. apparently when you paste stuff > from Word into thunderbird, and your recipient uses outlook, outlook > then displays a raft of useless tags generated by word and ignored by > thunderbird, often so badly trashing the message as to render it > unreadable. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=1777205 > > no way i'm going to convince our director to stop pasting stuff from our > vast array of Word documents. nor can i expect a friendly response to a > suggestion that he use plain text only. and of course there's no way we > can get all his correspondants to stop using outlook. you can't rule > people not even in your own organization. what's left? well it seemed > a miracle i got him to switch to thunderbird, but, it looks ominous now > we're running headlong into a switch back to outlook. > > help! i want some other solution! maybe a different email program? > > tia, > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051001/a694f6da/attachment-0001.htm From kaze0010 at umn.edu Sat Oct 1 16:55:35 2005 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Sat Oct 1 16:53:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] help! i don't want to be dragged back into outlook! In-Reply-To: <433E453C.8010309@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20051001165535.024baf40@127.0.0.1> At 03:13 AM 10/1/2005 -0500, greg wm wrote: >hi, > >we've hit a problem with thunderbird. apparently when you paste stuff >from Word into thunderbird, and your recipient uses outlook, outlook >then displays a raft of useless tags generated by word and ignored by >thunderbird, often so badly trashing the message as to render it >unreadable. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=1777205 > >no way i'm going to convince our director to stop pasting stuff from our >vast array of Word documents. nor can i expect a friendly response to a >suggestion that he use plain text only. and of course there's no way we >can get all his correspondants to stop using outlook. you can't rule >people not even in your own organization. what's left? well it seemed >a miracle i got him to switch to thunderbird, but, it looks ominous now >we're running headlong into a switch back to outlook. So MS Word is dumping junk tags into the emails...can you paste without formatting? (this is one the capabilities of the 'Paste Special' command...I don't know if Tbird supports Paste Special). Either way, you can enable pasting without formatting by following the instructions below, copied from "Paste Without Formatting" http://www.j-san.net/node/204#comment-2845 If you need a similar tool for Firefox, look here: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=13 4&&page=comments Pasting this way should resolve the interoperability problems (without reconfiguring Thunderbird to send plain text only), unless the director needs the Word formatting/tables/etc too. Good luck. -Haudy ------start of copy/paste------ Paste Without Formatting for Thunderbird Submitted by Bill D (not verified) on Sun, 2005-07-24 17:33. There is now an extension that corrects this problem. Finally! Check it out here. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=1627246#1627246 (text added below, just in case) http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=72994 The keyconfig extension allows you to change keyboard shortcuts. [Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey (maybe)] Okay, I finally figured out how it works. The interface needs some work to make it more understandable. The documentation is confusing, as well. A Help button with a short, CLEAR explanation popup would be a nice addition. But, once it works, it's very cool. So this is what I ended up with for Thunderbird: user_pref("keyconfig.main.xxx_key__Paste With Formatting", "control shift][V][][goDoCommand('cmd_paste');"); user_pref("keyconfig.main.xxx_key__Paste Without Formatting", "control][V][][goDoCommand('cmd_pasteNoFormatting');"); It makes Ctrl+V "Paste Without Formatting" and Ctrl+Shift+V 'regular/old paste' (paste WITH formatting). Paste as Quotation can be accessed through the main menu or right-click context menu. (or redefined to some other shortcut key sequence -- I rarely use it) imo, this is how the keyboard shortcuts should be setup by default. Thanks for the great extension. I've wanted this functionality since Tbird came out." ------end of copy/paste------ From tclug at greatlakedata.com Sun Oct 2 07:03:55 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sun Oct 2 07:05:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] help! i don't want to be dragged back into outlook! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20051001165535.024baf40@127.0.0.1> References: <3.0.5.32.20051001165535.024baf40@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <433FCCAB.6090802@greatlakedata.com> Haudy Kazemi wrote: > At 03:13 AM 10/1/2005 -0500, greg wm wrote: >>no way i'm going to convince our director to stop pasting stuff from our >>vast array of Word documents. nor can i expect a friendly response to a >>suggestion that he use plain text only. and of course there's no way we >>can get all his correspondants to stop using outlook. you can't rule >>people not even in your own organization. what's left? well it seemed >>a miracle i got him to switch to thunderbird, but, it looks ominous now >>we're running headlong into a switch back to outlook. > > So MS Word is dumping junk tags into the emails...can you paste without > formatting? (this is one the capabilities of the 'Paste Special' > command...I don't know if Tbird supports Paste Special). Either way, you > can enable pasting without formatting by following the instructions below, > copied from "Paste Without Formatting" > http://www.j-san.net/node/204#comment-2845 he does indeed want to paste stuff from word with formatting.. being denied that capability is, however, at least one step better than configuring tbird for plain text mode. i hope this will hold him long enough for an actual fix to come down the pike.. thank you, greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From tclug at greatlakedata.com Sun Oct 2 07:21:47 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sun Oct 2 07:23:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] help! i don't want to be dragged back into outlook! In-Reply-To: <32fd4537051001081290d8a1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <433E453C.8010309@greatlakedata.com> <32fd4537051001081290d8a1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <433FD0DB.9070609@greatlakedata.com> just normal word doc. we're using windows 2000 & office 2000, all critical windows updates and all office updates applied. (the installs are quick, but the updates.. having a win2k+sp4 install CD is a big help..) i've written mel asking for a sample word doc.. thank you.. -greg Keith Bachman wrote: > The "fix" is either a modification to TBird's codebase, or maybe an > extension (hey, that'd be cool!) although I have *no* idea what it would > take to make one that would remove these erroneous tags...is this just a > normal word document, or one from word saved as HTML locally, or what? > (I can try to recreate the situation here, I've got Office 2003, and can > get access to Office XP, 2000, and maybe even 97, so what version(s) are > you using?) > > I can't write the code or extension, but I can at least help track it > down :D > > Keith Bachman > > On 10/1/05, *greg wm* < tclug@greatlakedata.com > wrote: > we've hit a problem with thunderbird. apparently when you paste stuff > from Word into thunderbird, and your recipient uses outlook, outlook > then displays a raft of useless tags generated by word and ignored by > thunderbird, often so badly trashing the message as to render it > unreadable. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=1777205 > > no way i'm going to convince our director to stop pasting stuff from our > vast array of Word documents. nor can i expect a friendly response > to a > suggestion that he use plain text only. and of course there's no way we > can get all his correspondants to stop using outlook. you can't rule > people not even in your own organization. what's left? well it seemed > a miracle i got him to switch to thunderbird, but, it looks ominous now > we're running headlong into a switch back to outlook. > > help! i want some other solution! maybe a different email program? > > tia, > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Oct 2 12:20:34 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sun Oct 2 12:21:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510021720.j92HKYI25350@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Brother IntelliFAX 1270 Plain Paper Fax machine For Sale: Brother IntelliFAX 1270 Plain Paper Fax machine, also makes copies. Used, tested functional. $15.00 Seller Email address: rudie at rudie dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From kc0iog at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 21:56:37 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sun Oct 2 21:57:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Not just for kids!? I need one of these in the shack In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f05092906351f134f4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a470a5f05092906351f134f4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da0510021956ed98d10@mail.gmail.com> On 9/29/05, Harv Nelson wrote: > Not just for kids! I need one of these in the shack. So do you > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_hi_te/hundred_dollar_laptop The hand crank adds a nice touch. In theory, infinite power for remote computing. I'm skeptical of the price tag. Even if produced by the millions, I don't see how you can find all the parts and still make a profit at $100 each. If this thing goes to market, I think every geek will want (and probably get!) one for Christmas. From harv.nelson at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 22:26:54 2005 From: harv.nelson at gmail.com (Harv Nelson) Date: Sun Oct 2 22:27:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Not just for kids!? I need one of these in the shack In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0510021956ed98d10@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a470a5f05092906351f134f4c@mail.gmail.com> <2c6699da0510021956ed98d10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6a470a5f0510022026j15e9206ao3e3cd54ee910cee7@mail.gmail.com> Hi Brian, Check out their home page http://laptop.media.mit.edu/ It says the unit is not yet in production and won't be available for purchase by individuals. I wonder if they would settle for a Ham Radio Club? At this point, I'd settle for something that looked sorta like a schematic, a parts list, and a list of suppliers. OK .... everyone ... all a t once, now ... 1... 2... 3... WISH! Harv, AI9NL On 10/3/05, Brian Wall wrote: > > On 9/29/05, Harv Nelson wrote: > > Not just for kids! I need one of these in the shack. So do you > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_hi_te/hundred_dollar_laptop > > The hand crank adds a nice touch. In theory, infinite power for > remote computing. I'm skeptical of the price tag. Even if produced > by the millions, I don't see how you can find all the parts and still > make a profit at $100 each. > > If this thing goes to market, I think every geek will want (and > probably get!) one for Christmas. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051003/f3caa5ba/attachment.htm From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Mon Oct 3 00:35:28 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Oct 3 00:35:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Not just for kids!? I need one of these in the shack In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0510021956ed98d10@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a470a5f05092906351f134f4c@mail.gmail.com> <2c6699da0510021956ed98d10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Brian Wall wrote: > On 9/29/05, Harv Nelson wrote: >> Not just for kids! I need one of these in the shack. So do you >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_hi_te/hundred_dollar_laptop > > The hand crank adds a nice touch. In theory, infinite power for remote > computing. I'm skeptical of the price tag. Even if produced by the > millions, I don't see how you can find all the parts and still make a > profit at $100 each. I don't know that it will be possible to get the cost down to $100 per laptop, but I think the idea is not to make a profit. It's a charity. They will get about $100 million and make about 1 million laptops and they will give them away to poor children. Mike From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Oct 3 01:04:10 2005 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Oct 3 01:05:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Not just for kids!? I need one of these in the shack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:35 AM > > On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Brian Wall wrote: > > > On 9/29/05, Harv Nelson wrote: > >> Not just for kids! I need one of these in the shack. So do you > >> > >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_hi_te/hundred_dollar_laptop > > > > The hand crank adds a nice touch. In theory, infinite power for remote > > computing. I'm skeptical of the price tag. Even if produced by the > > millions, I don't see how you can find all the parts and still make a > > profit at $100 each. > > > I don't know that it will be possible to get the cost down to $100 per > laptop, but I think the idea is not to make a profit. It's a charity. > They will get about $100 million and make about 1 million laptops and they > will give them away to poor children. > > Mike When one builds in very high volume, parts costs get super cheap. I doubt that part cost would be a big deal for this. This would not be built from "distributor stock" parts and would use "system on a chip" technology. I've seen a semiconductor price drop by a factor of 100 when making a high volume purchase for only a 10,000 unit production. If under $300 PC costs exist in for-profit retail distribution, I'd say THAT is a valid indicator for $100 non-profit factory cost being feasible. Chuck From tclug at greatlakedata.com Mon Oct 3 05:26:39 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Mon Oct 3 05:27:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stress tests? Message-ID: <4341075F.8050701@greatlakedata.com> hi, i'm surprised and annoyed to find that my backup linux server fails to compute a md5sum properly about every 3rd time i check a CD image. so i guess that machine can't add, and i guess i don't really want it as my backup server afterall! but waitaminute, how do i really know it's hardware? i can imagine a software bug that is latent enough to only surface on occational machines. how would you test such a bugger to see what's going on? and then good grief, my XP machine.. i burned from it, the CD is fine, but cygwin sha1sum always fails the iso. somehow this one doesn't seem so likely to be hardware, but how would i know? what tests would you run? in an earlier life, before many of you were born i'm sure, working on data general clones my (then) company (kurzweil computer products) was building, i discovered (guess how) that the hardware could be shown to fail only when stressed with certain patterns passing via DMA while simultaneously testing memory. i had to write the diagnostic to prove it. i wasn't immediately popular with our hardware designers, but the test became standard in QA. in the intervening 3 decades it seems i have been blessed with working on hardware that just works. but now.. my current life won't afford me the luxury of writing my own diagnostics. are there some good open source diagnostics that stress the machine fully, like in particular stressing disc DMA while simultaneously testing memory? tia, greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From lists at turbobit.com Mon Oct 3 03:41:14 2005 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Oct 3 08:27:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stress tests? In-Reply-To: <4341075F.8050701@greatlakedata.com> References: <4341075F.8050701@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <20051003084114.GA14740@dad1> Hi Greg, On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 05:26:39AM -0500, greg wm wrote: > hi, > > i'm surprised and annoyed to find that my backup linux server fails to > compute a md5sum properly about every 3rd time i check a CD image. so i > guess that machine can't add, and i guess i don't really want it as my > backup server afterall! My guess would be the problem lies in the CDROM drive or disk that it burned and compatibility with other drives. > but waitaminute, how do i really know it's hardware? i can imagine a > software bug that is latent enough to only surface on occational > machines. how would you test such a bugger to see what's going on? A single md5sum on a complete CD doesn't tell you much. Try md5sum on each file on the CD, or create a binary diff program that will tell you how much(and where) the data differs. > and then good grief, my XP machine.. i burned from it, the CD is fine, > but cygwin sha1sum always fails the iso. somehow this one doesn't seem > so likely to be hardware, but how would i know? what tests would you run? > > in an earlier life, before many of you were born i'm sure, working on > data general clones my (then) company (kurzweil computer products) was > building, i discovered (guess how) that the hardware could be shown to > fail only when stressed with certain patterns passing via DMA while > simultaneously testing memory. i had to write the diagnostic to prove > it. i wasn't immediately popular with our hardware designers, but the > test became standard in QA. in the intervening 3 decades it seems i > have been blessed with working on hardware that just works. but now.. > my current life won't afford me the luxury of writing my own diagnostics. Go for it, programming/scripting is fun! > are there some good open source diagnostics that stress the machine > fully, like in particular stressing disc DMA while simultaneously > testing memory? > > tia, > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jimdscott at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 09:12:06 2005 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Mon Oct 3 09:13:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Frontiernet.net DSL Message-ID: Greetings, all. I'm brand new to the list. Does anyone here use Frontier's xDSL? I'm trying to connect my Fedora Core 4 box to the Internet through Frontiernet.net , but have been having a lot of DHCP problems. I can't get an IP address for my NIC. Does anyone know if Frontier (service in Lakeville/Rosemount) has any special settings I need to know about? Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051003/84b7bd29/attachment-0001.htm From random at argle.org Mon Oct 3 09:24:18 2005 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Oct 3 09:25:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stress tests? In-Reply-To: <4341075F.8050701@greatlakedata.com> References: <4341075F.8050701@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <43413F12.1010507@argle.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I ran into similar symptoms with a LiteOn drive a couple of years ago. In my case it was a firmware bug in the drive, fixed in later releases. If this is the case for you, you will need to update the firmware using your MSWindows system, as they are not doing DOS firmware upgrade packages for everything anymore. - -- Daniel Taylor -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDQT8R8/QSptFdBtURAmwMAJ0Rzncadn5Fcj0uA8hy+jbF6AbrxQCeMZvH kDMQlzciEfGt4fvWj/Jdb6A= =iMNS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bob at schilmoeller.com Mon Oct 3 09:38:53 2005 From: bob at schilmoeller.com (Bob Schilmoeller) Date: Mon Oct 3 09:39:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Frontiernet.net DSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4341427D.7080902@schilmoeller.com> Jim, I have been on Frontier DSL since its existence. The only problems I have had has been every time it has been sold! :-) Recently though I had to reset my DSL modem and received a new IP address for the first time in 4 years! But it did give me a 60% bump in speed. All of that said, I use a Dlink router with no special settings and it works great. I also used RH 7.3 on an old box as my router a couple of years a ago with no special settings. Now that I have told you my config, can you shed some light on what your config is, the symptoms you are seeing and what things you have tried? It may trigger some insight from the list. - Bob jim scott wrote: > Greetings, all. I'm brand new to the list. Does anyone here use > Frontier's xDSL? I'm trying to connect my Fedora Core 4 box to the > Internet through Frontiernet.net , but have been > having a lot of DHCP problems. I can't get an IP address for my NIC. > Does anyone know if Frontier (service in Lakeville/Rosemount) has any > special settings I need to know about? Thanks! > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimdscott at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 09:57:17 2005 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Mon Oct 3 09:58:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Frontiernet.net DSL In-Reply-To: <4341427D.7080902@schilmoeller.com> References: <4341427D.7080902@schilmoeller.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply, Bob. I'm running FC4 with the latest updates. I dual boot to Windows 98, where DSL is working great. I've got an older SMC NIC plugged into the DSL modem. I read the DSL HOWTO, which I think was a big mistake. Based on that, I spent a lot of time trying to configure PPPoE, but I don't think I need to worry about any of that. I did manage to mess up all my config files. I gave up on PPPoE, deleted all my config files and reinstalled the networking packages. It's an external xDSL SpeedStream 5200 modem connected to my NIC, so I think all I need to do is configure DHCP to get an IP for my NIC and set up the routing table correctly and I should be done. If I'm wrong about that, then I'm more lost than I thought. The first problem is that my NIC is not getting an IP address on boot. I don't see anything interesting in ifconfig, other than the lack of any IP address -- not even 0.0.0.0 , which I think should be there if DHCP is even trying. I don't see any errors in dmesg or in the syslog, so I think I need to turn up the debug level. If I can get an IP for my NIC, I think I'm almost home because I can copy the routing table from the windows side. On 10/3/05, Bob Schilmoeller wrote: > > Jim, > I have been on Frontier DSL since its existence. The only problems I have > had has been every time it has been sold! :-) Recently though I had to > reset > my DSL modem and received a new IP address for the first time in 4 years! > But > it did give me a 60% bump in speed. > > All of that said, I use a Dlink router with no special settings and it > works > great. I also used RH 7.3 on an old box as my router a couple of years a > ago > with no special settings. > > Now that I have told you my config, can you shed some light on what your > config is, the symptoms you are seeing and what things you have tried? It > may > trigger some insight from the list. > > - Bob > > > > jim scott wrote: > > Greetings, all. I'm brand new to the list. Does anyone here use > > Frontier's xDSL? I'm trying to connect my Fedora Core 4 box to the > > Internet through Frontiernet.net < > http://Frontiernet.net>, but have been > > having a lot of DHCP problems. I can't get an IP address for my NIC. > > Does anyone know if Frontier (service in Lakeville/Rosemount) has any > > special settings I need to know about? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com Your source. For everything. Really. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051003/d26c24c9/attachment.htm From brockn at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 10:33:54 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon Oct 3 10:35:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Frontiernet.net DSL In-Reply-To: References: <4341427D.7080902@schilmoeller.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb80510030833n307943a8p2e1637f917870b22@mail.gmail.com> When it is booting does it try and get an ip address? /var/log/messages or /var/log/dhcp should tell you. Brock On 10/3/05, jim scott wrote: > Thanks for the reply, Bob. > > I'm running FC4 with the latest updates. I dual boot to Windows 98, where > DSL is working great. > > I've got an older SMC NIC plugged into the DSL modem. I read the DSL HOWTO, > which I think was a big mistake. Based on that, I spent a lot of time trying > to configure PPPoE, but I don't think I need to worry about any of that. I > did manage to mess up all my config files. I gave up on PPPoE, deleted all > my config files and reinstalled the networking packages. > > It's an external xDSL SpeedStream 5200 modem connected to my NIC, so I think > all I need to do is configure DHCP to get an IP for my NIC and set up the > routing table correctly and I should be done. If I'm wrong about that, then > I'm more lost than I thought. > > The first problem is that my NIC is not getting an IP address on boot. I > don't see anything interesting in ifconfig, other than the lack of any IP > address -- not even 0.0.0.0, which I think should be there if DHCP is even > trying. I don't see any errors in dmesg or in the syslog, so I think I need > to turn up the debug level. If I can get an IP for my NIC, I think I'm > almost home because I can copy the routing table from the windows side. > > > On 10/3/05, Bob Schilmoeller wrote: > > Jim, > > I have been on Frontier DSL since its existence. The only problems I > have > > had has been every time it has been sold! :-) Recently though I had to > reset > > my DSL modem and received a new IP address for the first time in 4 years! > But > > it did give me a 60% bump in speed. > > > > All of that said, I use a Dlink router with no special settings and it > works > > great. I also used RH 7.3 on an old box as my router a couple of years a > ago > > with no special settings. > > > > Now that I have told you my config, can you shed some light on what your > > config is, the symptoms you are seeing and what things you have tried? It > may > > trigger some insight from the list. > > > > - Bob > > > > > > > > jim scott wrote: > > > Greetings, all. I'm brand new to the list. Does anyone here use > > > Frontier's xDSL? I'm trying to connect my Fedora Core 4 box to the > > > Internet through Frontiernet.net , but have been > > > having a lot of DHCP problems. I can't get an IP address for my NIC. > > > Does anyone know if Frontier (service in Lakeville/Rosemount) has any > > > special settings I need to know about? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com > Your source. For everything. Really. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- Brock Noland Loan Officer Caspian Mortgage Cell: 612-203-9568 Office: 612-605-8739 Fax: 612-605-6808 http://brocknoland.com From jimdscott at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 10:36:08 2005 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Mon Oct 3 10:40:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Frontiernet.net DSL In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80510030833n307943a8p2e1637f917870b22@mail.gmail.com> References: <4341427D.7080902@schilmoeller.com> <741dcbb80510030833n307943a8p2e1637f917870b22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I won't have access to my machine until tonight, but I will check. I haven't seen anything in /var/log/messages, but I haven't checked /var/log/dhcp. Thanks for the suggestion. On 10/3/05, Brock Noland wrote: > > When it is booting does it try and get an ip address? > > /var/log/messages or /var/log/dhcp should tell you. > > Brock > > > On 10/3/05, jim scott wrote: > > Thanks for the reply, Bob. > > > > I'm running FC4 with the latest updates. I dual boot to Windows 98, > where > > DSL is working great. > > > > I've got an older SMC NIC plugged into the DSL modem. I read the DSL > HOWTO, > > which I think was a big mistake. Based on that, I spent a lot of time > trying > > to configure PPPoE, but I don't think I need to worry about any of that. > I > > did manage to mess up all my config files. I gave up on PPPoE, deleted > all > > my config files and reinstalled the networking packages. > > > > It's an external xDSL SpeedStream 5200 modem connected to my NIC, so I > think > > all I need to do is configure DHCP to get an IP for my NIC and set up > the > > routing table correctly and I should be done. If I'm wrong about that, > then > > I'm more lost than I thought. > > > > The first problem is that my NIC is not getting an IP address on boot. I > > don't see anything interesting in ifconfig, other than the lack of any > IP > > address -- not even 0.0.0.0 , which I think should be > there if DHCP is even > > trying. I don't see any errors in dmesg or in the syslog, so I think I > need > > to turn up the debug level. If I can get an IP for my NIC, I think I'm > > almost home because I can copy the routing table from the windows side. > > > > > > On 10/3/05, Bob Schilmoeller wrote: > > > Jim, > > > I have been on Frontier DSL since its existence. The only problems I > > have > > > had has been every time it has been sold! :-) Recently though I had to > > reset > > > my DSL modem and received a new IP address for the first time in 4 > years! > > But > > > it did give me a 60% bump in speed. > > > > > > All of that said, I use a Dlink router with no special settings and it > > works > > > great. I also used RH 7.3 on an old box as my router a couple of years > a > > ago > > > with no special settings. > > > > > > Now that I have told you my config, can you shed some light on what > your > > > config is, the symptoms you are seeing and what things you have tried? > It > > may > > > trigger some insight from the list. > > > > > > - Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > jim scott wrote: > > > > Greetings, all. I'm brand new to the list. Does anyone here use > > > > Frontier's xDSL? I'm trying to connect my Fedora Core 4 box to the > > > > Internet through Frontiernet.net < > http://Frontiernet.net>, but have been > > > > having a lot of DHCP problems. I can't get an IP address for my NIC. > > > > Does anyone know if Frontier (service in Lakeville/Rosemount) has > any > > > > special settings I need to know about? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com > > Your source. For everything. Really. > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > -- > Brock Noland > Loan Officer > Caspian Mortgage > Cell: 612-203-9568 > Office: 612-605-8739 > Fax: 612-605-6808 > http://brocknoland.com > -- http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com Your source. For everything. Really. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051003/a231a4ed/attachment-0001.htm From kaze0010 at umn.edu Mon Oct 3 10:50:27 2005 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Mon Oct 3 10:40:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Not just for kids!? I need one of these in the shack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20051003105027.014144e8@127.0.0.1> >> > On 9/29/05, Harv Nelson wrote: >> >> Not just for kids! I need one of these in the shack. So do you >> >> >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_hi_te/hundred_dollar_laptop >> > >> > The hand crank adds a nice touch. In theory, infinite power for remote >> > computing. I'm skeptical of the price tag. Even if produced by the >> > millions, I don't see how you can find all the parts and still make a >> > profit at $100 each. >> >> >> I don't know that it will be possible to get the cost down to $100 per >> laptop, but I think the idea is not to make a profit. It's a charity. >> They will get about $100 million and make about 1 million laptops and they >> will give them away to poor children. >> >> Mike > >When one builds in very high volume, parts costs get super cheap. I doubt that part cost would be a big deal for this. This would >not be built from "distributor stock" parts and would use "system on a chip" technology. I've seen a semiconductor price drop by a >factor of 100 when making a high volume purchase for only a 10,000 unit production. If under $300 PC costs exist in for-profit >retail distribution, I'd say THAT is a valid indicator for $100 non-profit factory cost being feasible. > > >Chuck system on a chip example: AMD Geode http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5715451.html "The new Geode LX800 is an energy-efficient processor for small computers, set-top boxes, TVs and handhelds, according to Chief Technical Officer Fred Weber. The chip runs at 533MHz and is said to provide the equivalent performance of an 800MHz processor from Via Technologies. While that's far less oomph than chips for notebooks and desktops, the processor only consumes about 0.9 watts and does not require heat sinks or fans. This lowers both cost and the overall volume of devices. At the same time, it's an x86 chip, so all the conventional software produced for desktops will run on it, unlike many CE chips." "The highest-performing Geode LX chips, with a companion chipset, will cost $45, far less than desktop and server chips." http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543_9750~76710 ,00.html "The Geode processor will continue to be available in EBGA packages. The parts in PBGA packaging are available in a range of operating speeds and features, averaging US$25 to US$35, depending on functionality and quantity. They currently are sampling with customers, with full production scheduled for Q3 2002." http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118601,00.asp "AMD's Geode GX533 chips almost always use a separate co-processor to handle video decoding, but the NX series chips can handle most of the demand of set-top boxes on their own, Salo said. The Geode GX series chips used in set-top boxes from AMD's partners cost around $30, depending on the clock speed of the processor, an AMD spokesman said. The Geode NX chips cost around $50." You'd also need flash RAM, system RAM, a display (passive matrix or dual scan), keyboard, touchpad, windup generator, AC adapter, and plastics for the case. -Haudy From rwh at visi.com Mon Oct 3 11:38:16 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Oct 3 11:40:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Not just for kids!? I need one of these in the shack In-Reply-To: References: <6a470a5f05092906351f134f4c@mail.gmail.com> <2c6699da0510021956ed98d10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43415E78.5080704@visi.com> Mike Miller wrote: > On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Brian Wall wrote: > >> On 9/29/05, Harv Nelson wrote: >> >>> Not just for kids! I need one of these in the shack. So do you >>> >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_hi_te/hundred_dollar_laptop >> >> >> The hand crank adds a nice touch. In theory, infinite power for >> remote computing. I'm skeptical of the price tag. Even if produced >> by the millions, I don't see how you can find all the parts and still >> make a profit at $100 each. > > > > I don't know that it will be possible to get the cost down to $100 per > laptop, but I think the idea is not to make a profit. It's a charity. > They will get about $100 million and make about 1 million laptops and > they will give them away to poor children. > > Mike > The business model used by Freeplay for their wind-up radios seems like a good fit. They figured they cost around $50 a piece for the units so they sold them at retail in the UK for $100 and used the profit to provide free radios to villages in southern Africa. I could see paying $200 for one of these if I knew that some kid in the developing or third world got one as well. But I also question the ability to get the price down to $100. Supposedly the deal that Apple cut with Samsung for the flash memory in the Nano was about $40/GB and then there's the cost of the chipsets for the cell and 802.11b connectivity. Even if they can get a $12 display, it seems real hard to hit $100 even if you want to build 15M of them. --rick From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 12:32:49 2005 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Oct 3 12:34:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stress tests? In-Reply-To: <4341075F.8050701@greatlakedata.com> References: <4341075F.8050701@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <914f813c0510031032k6b9eb6c8i6a83ba156dd3d87e@mail.gmail.com> How are you checking the burned CD? Rather than md5sum /dev/cdrom, try dd if=/dev/cdrom > md5sum to see if you get anything different. This has fixed problems for me in the past. On 10/3/05, greg wm wrote: > hi, > > i'm surprised and annoyed to find that my backup linux server fails to > compute a md5sum properly about every 3rd time i check a CD image. so i > guess that machine can't add, and i guess i don't really want it as my > backup server afterall! > > but waitaminute, how do i really know it's hardware? i can imagine a > software bug that is latent enough to only surface on occational > machines. how would you test such a bugger to see what's going on? > > and then good grief, my XP machine.. i burned from it, the CD is fine, > but cygwin sha1sum always fails the iso. somehow this one doesn't seem > so likely to be hardware, but how would i know? what tests would you run? > > in an earlier life, before many of you were born i'm sure, working on > data general clones my (then) company (kurzweil computer products) was > building, i discovered (guess how) that the hardware could be shown to > fail only when stressed with certain patterns passing via DMA while > simultaneously testing memory. i had to write the diagnostic to prove > it. i wasn't immediately popular with our hardware designers, but the > test became standard in QA. in the intervening 3 decades it seems i > have been blessed with working on hardware that just works. but now.. > my current life won't afford me the luxury of writing my own diagnostics. > > are there some good open source diagnostics that stress the machine > fully, like in particular stressing disc DMA while simultaneously > testing memory? > > tia, > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- John T. Hoffoss From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 12:37:02 2005 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Oct 3 12:38:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Not just for kids!? I need one of these in the shack In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0510021956ed98d10@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a470a5f05092906351f134f4c@mail.gmail.com> <2c6699da0510021956ed98d10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <914f813c0510031037t364d4a49t8c30b8a807976262@mail.gmail.com> On 10/2/05, Brian Wall wrote: > On 9/29/05, Harv Nelson wrote: > > Not just for kids! I need one of these in the shack. So do you > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_hi_te/hundred_dollar_laptop > > The hand crank adds a nice touch. In theory, infinite power for > remote computing. I'm skeptical of the price tag. Even if produced > by the millions, I don't see how you can find all the parts and still > make a profit at $100 each. > > If this thing goes to market, I think every geek will want (and > probably get!) one for Christmas. It seems these are father out than Christmas this year (or perhaps even next year). Also, the article states these are designed (or will be designed) so that anyone using one is automatically assumed to be in education. Think FisherPrice Laptop, and no, I don't mean one running Windows XP... So in a way, Harv Nelson's statement of "not just for kids" is off the mark, or at least the intended mark of this project. From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Oct 3 12:44:00 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Oct 3 12:46:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Not just for kids!? I need one of these in the shack In-Reply-To: <43415E78.5080704@visi.com> References: <6a470a5f05092906351f134f4c@mail.gmail.com> <2c6699da0510021956ed98d10@mail.gmail.com> <43415E78.5080704@visi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > The business model used by Freeplay for their wind-up radios seems like > a good fit. They figured they cost around $50 a piece for the units so > they sold them at retail in the UK for $100 and used the profit to > provide free radios to villages in southern Africa. I could see paying > $200 for one of these if I knew that some kid in the developing or third > world got one as well. Funny, one of the people behind the project thought of that model, too: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050929-5362.html Seems like a fine idea to me. Lots of people would gladly fork over $200 for a laptop. If nothing else, though, don't underestimate the value of tax write-offs to big companies. They might be able to get the components even cheaper. > But I also question the ability to get the price down to $100. > Supposedly the deal that Apple cut with Samsung for the flash memory in > the Nano was about $40/GB and then there's the cost of the chipsets for > the cell and 802.11b connectivity. Even if they can get a $12 display, > it seems real hard to hit $100 even if you want to build 15M of them. I seem to recall seeing the price tag for the display being $35 (from http://laptop.media.mit.edu/). So, they'd either have to get the other components dirt-cheap, or subsidize through other means. Jima From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 12:50:14 2005 From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo) Date: Mon Oct 3 12:50:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] duplex settings Message-ID: Hello- I'm trying to find out if my NIC cards are running at half or full duplex on Red Hat. If I run dmesg, it reports that it is running at half duplex. If I run mii-tool, it reports full duplex. Which one is correct? I would assume dmesg, but I just want to make sure. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051003/3947d832/attachment.htm From nate at refried.org Mon Oct 3 12:54:08 2005 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Oct 3 12:56:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] duplex settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051003175408.GA12603@refried.org> On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 12:50:14PM -0500, Kevin Lombardo wrote: > I'm trying to find out if my NIC cards are running at half or full duplex on > Red Hat. If I run dmesg, it reports that it is running at half duplex. If I > run mii-tool, it reports full duplex. > > Which one is correct? I would assume dmesg, but I just want to make sure. I would trust mii-tool over dmesg. mii-tool tells you the current status of the link. dmesg just shows you the kernel message buffer, so you don't really know how old the message is until you look it up in /var/log/message (or equiv). Nate From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Oct 3 12:56:27 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Oct 3 12:58:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510031756.j93HuRS07464@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: ibook G4 1Ghz 1.25 Gb RAM 30Gb hdd Save yourself some money on a new ibook! I just upgraded & am selling my "old" one that I've had for less than 9 months! The battery was just replaced 2 months ago (due to a recall), and the case itself is lightly used. I upgraded the built-in 256 MB of memory with a 1Gb stick, upping it to a fantastic 1.25 Gb of ram! 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Give me a ring! -scheides 612.850.1407 scheides@mordant.com Seller Email address: scheides at iexposure dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From bob at schilmoeller.com Mon Oct 3 12:57:27 2005 From: bob at schilmoeller.com (Bob Schilmoeller) Date: Mon Oct 3 13:01:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Frontiernet.net DSL In-Reply-To: References: <4341427D.7080902@schilmoeller.com> <741dcbb80510030833n307943a8p2e1637f917870b22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43417107.5050601@schilmoeller.com> Jim, Yes, it should be as simple as a standard FC4 DHCP to get an IP address. A stock installed DHCP should just work. If you think you have some "cruft" left over from the PPPoE configuration, you may want to remove and reinstall the affected packages. (including DHCP) Do you have another network and DHCP server you can try this on? Also, check /var/log/syslog for messages. That's where my Debian DHCP logs its messages. HTH. - Bob jim scott wrote: > I won't have access to my machine until tonight, but I will check. I > haven't seen anything in /var/log/messages, but I haven't checked > /var/log/dhcp. Thanks for the suggestion. > > On 10/3/05, *Brock Noland* > > wrote: > > When it is booting does it try and get an ip address? > > /var/log/messages or /var/log/dhcp should tell you. > > Brock > > > On 10/3/05, jim scott > wrote: > > Thanks for the reply, Bob. > > > > I'm running FC4 with the latest updates. I dual boot to Windows > 98, where > > DSL is working great. > > > > I've got an older SMC NIC plugged into the DSL modem. I read the > DSL HOWTO, > > which I think was a big mistake. Based on that, I spent a lot of > time trying > > to configure PPPoE, but I don't think I need to worry about any of > that. I > > did manage to mess up all my config files. I gave up on PPPoE, > deleted all > > my config files and reinstalled the networking packages. > > > > It's an external xDSL SpeedStream 5200 modem connected to my NIC, > so I think > > all I need to do is configure DHCP to get an IP for my NIC and set > up the > > routing table correctly and I should be done. If I'm wrong about > that, then > > I'm more lost than I thought. > > > > The first problem is that my NIC is not getting an IP address on > boot. I > > don't see anything interesting in ifconfig, other than the lack of > any IP > > address -- not even 0.0.0.0 , which I think should > be there if DHCP is even > > trying. I don't see any errors in dmesg or in the syslog, so I > think I need > > to turn up the debug level. If I can get an IP for my NIC, I think > I'm > > almost home because I can copy the routing table from the windows > side. > > > > > > On 10/3/05, Bob Schilmoeller > wrote: > > > Jim, > > > I have been on Frontier DSL since its existence. The only > problems I > > have > > > had has been every time it has been sold! :-) Recently though I > had to > > reset > > > my DSL modem and received a new IP address for the first time in > 4 years! > > But > > > it did give me a 60% bump in speed. > > > > > > All of that said, I use a Dlink router with no special settings > and it > > works > > > great. I also used RH 7.3 on an old box as my router a couple > of years a > > ago > > > with no special settings. > > > > > > Now that I have told you my config, can you shed some light on > what your > > > config is, the symptoms you are seeing and what things you have > tried? It > > may > > > trigger some insight from the list. > > > > > > - Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > jim scott wrote: > > > > Greetings, all. I'm brand new to the list. Does anyone here use > > > > Frontier's xDSL? I'm trying to connect my Fedora Core 4 box to the > > > > Internet through Frontiernet.net > >, but have been > > > > having a lot of DHCP problems. I can't get an IP address for > my NIC. > > > > Does anyone know if Frontier (service in Lakeville/Rosemount) > has any > > > > special settings I need to know about? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com > > Your source. For everything. Really. > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > -- > Brock Noland > Loan Officer > Caspian Mortgage > Cell: 612-203-9568 > Office: 612-605-8739 > Fax: 612-605-6808 > http://brocknoland.com > > > > > -- > http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com > Your source. For everything. Really. From tclug at natecarlson.com Mon Oct 3 13:12:18 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Oct 3 13:14:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] duplex settings In-Reply-To: <20051003175408.GA12603@refried.org> References: <20051003175408.GA12603@refried.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Nate Straz wrote: > I would trust mii-tool over dmesg. mii-tool tells you the current > status of the link. dmesg just shows you the kernel message buffer, so > you don't really know how old the message is until you look it up in > /var/log/message (or equiv). Better yet: ethtool! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jimdscott at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 13:12:27 2005 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Mon Oct 3 13:14:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] duplex settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you tried ethtool? (manpage ) Disclaimer: I might not have any idea what I'm talking about On 10/3/05, Kevin Lombardo wrote: > > Hello- > > I'm trying to find out if my NIC cards are running at half or full duplex > on Red Hat. If I run dmesg, it reports that it is running at half duplex. If > I run mii-tool, it reports full duplex. > > Which one is correct? I would assume dmesg, but I just want to make sure. > > Thanks > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com Your source. For everything. Really. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Compare: /sbin/mii-tool: invalid option -- h usage: /sbin/mii-tool [-VvRrwl] [-A media,... | -F media] [interface ...] -V, --version display version information -v, --verbose more verbose output -R, --reset reset MII to poweron state -r, --restart restart autonegotiation -w, --watch monitor for link status changes -l, --log with -w, write events to syslog -A, --advertise=media,... advertise only specified media -F, --force=media force specified media technology media: 100baseT4, 100baseTx-FD, 100baseTx-HD, 10baseT-FD, 10baseT-HD, (to advertise both HD and FD) 100baseTx, 10baseT ethtool version 2 Usage: ethtool DEVNAME ethtool -a DEVNAME ethtool -A DEVNAME \ [ autoneg on|off ] \ [ rx on|off ] \ [ tx on|off ] ethtool -c DEVNAME ethtool -C DEVNAME \ [adaptive-rx on|off] \ [adaptive-tx on|off] \ [rx-usecs N] \ [rx-frames N] \ [rx-usecs-irq N] \ [rx-frames-irq N] \ [tx-usecs N] \ [tx-frames N] \ [tx-usecs-irq N] \ [tx-frames-irq N] \ [stats-block-usecs N] \ [pkt-rate-low N] \ [rx-usecs-low N] \ [rx-frames-low N] \ [tx-usecs-low N] \ [tx-frames-low N] \ [pkt-rate-high N] \ [rx-usecs-high N] \ [rx-frames-high N] \ [tx-usecs-high N] \ [tx-frames-high N] \ [sample-interval N] ethtool -g DEVNAME ethtool -G DEVNAME \ [ rx N ] \ [ rx-mini N ] \ [ rx-jumbo N ] \ [ tx N ] ethtool -i DEVNAME ethtool -d DEVNAME [ raw on|off ] ethtool -e DEVNAME \ [ raw on|off ] \ [ offset N ] \ [ length N ] ethtool -E DEVNAME \ [ magic N ] \ [ offset N ] \ [ value N ] ethtool -k DEVNAME ethtool -K DEVNAME \ [ rx on|off ] \ [ tx on|off ] \ [ sg on|off ] \ [ tso on|off ] ethtool -r DEVNAME ethtool -p DEVNAME [ %d ] ethtool -t DEVNAME [online|(offline)] ethtool -s DEVNAME \ [ speed 10|100|1000 ] \ [ duplex half|full ] \ [ port tp|aui|bnc|mii|fibre ] \ [ autoneg on|off ] \ [ phyad %d ] \ [ xcvr internal|external ] \ [ wol p|u|m|b|a|g|s|d... ] \ [ sopass %x:%x:%x:%x:%x:%x ] \ [ msglvl %d ] ethtool -S DEVNAME From tclug at natecarlson.com Mon Oct 3 13:53:42 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Oct 3 13:54:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] duplex settings In-Reply-To: <20051003181627.GA13343@refried.org> References: <20051003175408.GA12603@refried.org> <20051003181627.GA13343@refried.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Nate Straz wrote: > For something as simple as this, mii-tool. ethtool has one of the most > useless usage messages. The problem is mii-tool isn't maintained anymore, and will give you invalid output for some cards. For example, an e1000 nic hooked up to a gigabit switch: # mii-tool eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok buzzword:~# ethtool eth0 Settings for eth0: <...> Speed: 1000Mb/s Duplex: Full mii-tool doesn't know it's actually a gig-e link. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From nate at refried.org Mon Oct 3 14:13:10 2005 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Oct 3 14:15:12 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] duplex settings In-Reply-To: References: <20051003175408.GA12603@refried.org> <20051003181627.GA13343@refried.org> Message-ID: <20051003191310.GB13343@refried.org> On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 01:53:42PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Nate Straz wrote: > >For something as simple as this, mii-tool. ethtool has one of the most > >useless usage messages. > > The problem is mii-tool isn't maintained anymore, and will give you > invalid output for some cards. Ah, just like the fdisk/parted situation. One step forward for functionality, one step backward for usability. ;) Nate From nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com Mon Oct 3 21:11:18 2005 From: nicholas.thompson1 at mchsi.com (Nicholas Thompson) Date: Mon Oct 3 21:13:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Not just for kids!? I need one of these in the shack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4341E4C6.80902@mchsi.com> Chuck Cole wrote: > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >>[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Miller >>Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:35 AM >> >>On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Brian Wall wrote: >> >> >>>On 9/29/05, Harv Nelson wrote: >>> >>>>Not just for kids! I need one of these in the shack. So do you >>>> >>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_hi_te/hundred_dollar_laptop >>> >>>The hand crank adds a nice touch. In theory, infinite power for remote >>>computing. I'm skeptical of the price tag. Even if produced by the >>>millions, I don't see how you can find all the parts and still make a >>>profit at $100 each. >> >> >>I don't know that it will be possible to get the cost down to $100 per >>laptop, but I think the idea is not to make a profit. It's a charity. >>They will get about $100 million and make about 1 million laptops and they >>will give them away to poor children. >> >>Mike > > > When one builds in very high volume, parts costs get super cheap. I doubt that part cost would be a big deal for this. This would > not be built from "distributor stock" parts and would use "system on a chip" technology. I've seen a semiconductor price drop by a > factor of 100 when making a high volume purchase for only a 10,000 unit production. If under $300 PC costs exist in for-profit > retail distribution, I'd say THAT is a valid indicator for $100 non-profit factory cost being feasible. > > > Chuck > > Chuck, That was very well put. I enjoyed your post. nick ------------------------------ nick thompson all unix all the time. ------------------------------ From jimdscott at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 09:20:30 2005 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Tue Oct 4 09:21:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Frontiernet.net DSL In-Reply-To: <43417107.5050601@schilmoeller.com> References: <4341427D.7080902@schilmoeller.com> <741dcbb80510030833n307943a8p2e1637f917870b22@mail.gmail.com> <43417107.5050601@schilmoeller.com> Message-ID: That was incredibly easy. In fact, it couldn't have been easier. The problem was the only DHCP client I had installed was the experimental IPv6 client. I installed the dhclient package for Fedora Core 4, the did an ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 and everything worked. I didn't have any DHCP errors in my syslogs because I didn't have any DHCP activity. Thanks for the help! On 10/3/05, Bob Schilmoeller wrote: > > Jim, > Yes, it should be as simple as a standard FC4 DHCP to get an IP address. A > stock installed DHCP should just work. If you think you have some "cruft" > left over from the PPPoE configuration, you may want to remove and > reinstall > the affected packages. (including DHCP) Do you have another network and > DHCP > server you can try this on? Also, check /var/log/syslog for messages. > That's > where my Debian DHCP logs its messages. > > HTH. > - Bob > > > > jim scott wrote: > > I won't have access to my machine until tonight, but I will check. I > > haven't seen anything in /var/log/messages, but I haven't checked > > /var/log/dhcp. Thanks for the suggestion. > > > > On 10/3/05, *Brock Noland* > > > wrote: > > > > When it is booting does it try and get an ip address? > > > > /var/log/messages or /var/log/dhcp should tell you. > > > > Brock > > > > > > On 10/3/05, jim scott > > wrote: > > > Thanks for the reply, Bob. > > > > > > I'm running FC4 with the latest updates. I dual boot to Windows > > 98, where > > > DSL is working great. > > > > > > I've got an older SMC NIC plugged into the DSL modem. I read the > > DSL HOWTO, > > > which I think was a big mistake. Based on that, I spent a lot of > > time trying > > > to configure PPPoE, but I don't think I need to worry about any of > > that. I > > > did manage to mess up all my config files. I gave up on PPPoE, > > deleted all > > > my config files and reinstalled the networking packages. > > > > > > It's an external xDSL SpeedStream 5200 modem connected to my NIC, > > so I think > > > all I need to do is configure DHCP to get an IP for my NIC and set > > up the > > > routing table correctly and I should be done. If I'm wrong about > > that, then > > > I'm more lost than I thought. > > > > > > The first problem is that my NIC is not getting an IP address on > > boot. I > > > don't see anything interesting in ifconfig, other than the lack of > > any IP > > > address -- not even 0.0.0.0 , which I > think should > > be there if DHCP is even > > > trying. I don't see any errors in dmesg or in the syslog, so I > > think I need > > > to turn up the debug level. If I can get an IP for my NIC, I think > > I'm > > > almost home because I can copy the routing table from the windows > > side. > > > > > > > > > On 10/3/05, Bob Schilmoeller > > wrote: > > > > Jim, > > > > I have been on Frontier DSL since its existence. The only > > problems I > > > have > > > > had has been every time it has been sold! :-) Recently though I > > had to > > > reset > > > > my DSL modem and received a new IP address for the first time in > > 4 years! > > > But > > > > it did give me a 60% bump in speed. > > > > > > > > All of that said, I use a Dlink router with no special settings > > and it > > > works > > > > great. I also used RH 7.3 on an old box as my router a couple > > of years a > > > ago > > > > with no special settings. > > > > > > > > Now that I have told you my config, can you shed some light on > > what your > > > > config is, the symptoms you are seeing and what things you have > > tried? It > > > may > > > > trigger some insight from the list. > > > > > > > > - Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jim scott wrote: > > > > > Greetings, all. I'm brand new to the list. Does anyone here use > > > > > Frontier's xDSL? I'm trying to connect my Fedora Core 4 box to the > > > > > Internet through Frontiernet.net < > http://Frontiernet.net> > > >, but have been > > > > > having a lot of DHCP problems. I can't get an IP address for > > my NIC. > > > > > Does anyone know if Frontier (service in Lakeville/Rosemount) > > has any > > > > > special settings I need to know about? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com > > > Your source. For everything. Really. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Brock Noland > > Loan Officer > > Caspian Mortgage > > Cell: 612-203-9568 > > Office: 612-605-8739 > > Fax: 612-605-6808 > > http://brocknoland.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com > > Your source. For everything. Really. > -- http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com Your source. For everything. Really. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051004/a0833428/attachment-0001.htm From random at argle.org Tue Oct 4 10:54:27 2005 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Tue Oct 4 10:56:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] 'rehash' in bash? In-Reply-To: <200509302010.24149.thecubic@thecubic.net> References: <200509302010.24149.thecubic@thecubic.net> Message-ID: <4342A5B3.9010901@argle.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dave Carlson wrote: > On Friday 30 September 2005 18:29, Mike Miller wrote: > >>In tcsh we have 'rehash' to update the hash table of command paths when >>we've added a new executable in the path. What do you use for this in the >>bash shell? > > > There is no analog to tcsh's hash table in bash - the hash table that bash has > is only for speedup - when it doesn't find the executable in the hash table, > it will search through the path. > > To empty the table (useful if you've changed PATH), use hash -r. > > To force an entry in, use 'hash ' if it can be completed in the path, > otherwise use 'hash -p '. > This is also useful if an executable moves, especially if you remove a /usr/local/bin version in favor of a /usr/bin version after running it in the current shell session. Doesn't come up too often, but it is handy when it does. - -- Daniel Taylor -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDQqWz8/QSptFdBtURAgyTAJwLzxwYgSTXStA6exJACHmJOarMzgCeNrxs EKXK/4xPBxTnSl+kxx1i3bo= =EX55 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dan at dandrake.org Wed Oct 5 08:27:19 2005 From: dan at dandrake.org (dan) Date: Wed Oct 5 08:29:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] associate file extensions in Gnome Message-ID: <20051005132719.GA13368@dandrake.org> I'm a math grad student, so it's unsurprising that my Gnome desktop contains a bunch of Mathematica files (which end in .nb). I'd like to have Gnome open up Mathematica when I double-click on a .nb file, but Gnome thinks these are text files -- which they are, in the same sense that an .html file is a text file. I can't figure out how to do this. I don't mind messing with mailcap files or whatever, but I'd like to do it "the Gnome way", which means mime types, right? I found this [1], which mentions a File Types and Programs preference tool...which I don't seem to have. I'm using Gnome 2.8 on FC 3, and don't have any administrative privileges on the machine. Any ideas? Thanks, Dan 1. http://www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/2.8/ch11s05.html -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Why does posting to the list help you solve a problem yourself? :) To associate a file extension with a mime type, follow the instructions here: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html#q22 The only problem is that when they write the update-mime-database program complains, so you just add a question mark: I have no idea why this works, it just does. The exact files I used are as follows. Here's mathematica.xml in ~/.local/share/applications: Mathematica notebook Note that application/mathematica is a registered mime type. Otherwise I think you fake it with application/x-whatever. And here's nb.xml in ~/.local/share/mime/packages: Mathematica notebook Then I ran update-mime-database as the article says, logged out and in -- and everything works. I associated Mathematica to the file type and everything works perfectly. Thanks for all your, um, help! Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sep 29, 2005, at 3:13 PM, Scot Jenkins wrote: > I have no experience with LEAP but it looks like it's been done > before. A quick google search for "VPN LEAP" turned this up: > > http://uwadmnweb.uwyo.edu/ASKIT/howto/connectivity/vpn/ > 12303vpnUnix.htm > > HTH > -scot > > On 9/29/05, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >> Hey, I notice there was a flier for the installfest posted in the >> ECC. >> Who posted it there? I ask because I'm really wanting to start >> some kind >> of linux/open source student group, unless there's already one I >> don't >> know about. The Linux presence on this campus seems to be rather >> low. I >> need to dig up some membership. >> >> I could also possibly use a ride to the installfest... >> >> Also, apparently they're now using a new VPN thing for the >> wireless on >> campus this year, its something called "LEAP". I have not been >> able to >> get it to work right with FC4. I've tried both xsupplicant and >> wpa_supplicant. xsupplicant just triggers a "buffer overflow >> detected" >> and dies, and wpa_supplicant just seems to sit in a loop trying to >> associate saying "no WPA/RSN IE". I can't find hardly any >> documentation >> regarding using LEAP, everything talks about PEAP and other things. >> >> I have both an Atheros AR5212 (madwifi driver) based card, and an >> ACX111 >> based card. >> >> Has anyone ever done LEAP with Linux before? >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Oct 6 07:28:46 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Thu Oct 6 07:30:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Final InterLUG details Message-ID: Passing this on on behalf of Adam. Jima ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:11:17 -0500 From: Adam Gurno Subject: Final InterLUG details Hi all, We've updated http://picnic.norlug.org with more details on how to get there and things going on. The meal will be mostly provided by NORLUG, but feel free to bring a cold dish (desserts, chips) to the picnic if you feel like it. We will have vegetarian options. If you have disc golf equipment, please bring it. It starts at 12:00p at Memorial Field in Dundas. Directions are at the site. Hope to see everyone there! A -- Adam Gurno adam[at]gurno[dot]com From ston0235 at umn.edu Thu Oct 6 12:18:40 2005 From: ston0235 at umn.edu (Ian Stoner) Date: Thu Oct 6 12:18:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recovering mysql databases Message-ID: <1128619121.11464.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> I recently had some really ugly hardware failure on a desktop I've had for years. I had backups of most everything important except for a mysql database that I'd really hate to lose. Although I haven't done a mysql-dump in at least a year, I have very recently burned /var/lib/mysql onto a CD. So I have the following files backed up from /var/lib/mysql: amarok debian-5.0.flag ibdata1 murdelized test blog [redacted].dnsalias.org.err ib_logfile0 murdevel cds ib_arch_log_0000000000 ib_logfile1 mysql Is it possible to use these files to restore my old databases to my new system? I tried just copying them to /var/log/mysql and that didn't work. Thanks for your help, Ian -- Ian Stoner Philosophy Department University of Minnesota From josh at tcbug.org Thu Oct 6 12:56:25 2005 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Thu Oct 6 12:54:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recovering mysql databases In-Reply-To: <1128619121.11464.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1128619121.11464.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200510061256.25958.josh@tcbug.org> On Thursday 06 October 2005 12:18, Ian Stoner wrote: > I recently had some really ugly hardware failure on a desktop I've > had for years. I had backups of most everything important except > for a mysql database that I'd really hate to lose. > > Although I haven't done a mysql-dump in at least a year, I have > very recently burned /var/lib/mysql onto a CD. So I have the > following files backed up from /var/lib/mysql: > > amarok debian-5.0.flag ibdata1 murdelized > test blog [redacted].dnsalias.org.err ib_logfile0 murdevel > cds ib_arch_log_0000000000 ib_logfile1 mysql > > Is it possible to use these files to restore my old databases to my > new system? I tried just copying them to /var/log/mysql and that > didn't work. > > Thanks for your help, > > Ian > > -- > Ian Stoner > Philosophy Department > University of Minnesota > Shouldn't they go to /var/db/mysql? -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 11:00:31 2005 From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo) Date: Fri Oct 7 11:01:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sftp error handling Message-ID: Hello- I am creating a shell script to transfer files with sftp. The script works, but I'm not sure how to handle problems, such as incomplete downloads due to network issues. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to check/handle sftp errors from within a shell script? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051007/c3dce08b/attachment.htm From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Oct 7 11:10:50 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Fri Oct 7 11:11:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sftp error handling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051007161050.368FB1224@skuld.wookimus.net> I suggest the use of rsync over ssh if you're having network and connection problems. That way, you can pick up where you left off should the connection drop during transfer. Yes, it's another piece of software, but you can avoid having to create custom shell scripts or sftp batch files. From scotjenkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 11:17:21 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Fri Oct 7 11:19:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sftp error handling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/7/05, Kevin Lombardo wrote: > Hello- > > I am creating a shell script to transfer files with sftp. The script works, > but I'm not sure how to handle problems, such as incomplete downloads due to > network issues. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to check/handle sftp errors from > within a shell script? The variable "$?" gives you the exit status of the last command. Check it immediately following your sftp command. Most well written UNIX programs will return 0 on success and non-zero otherwise. Scot From duff0097 at umn.edu Fri Oct 7 12:41:58 2005 From: duff0097 at umn.edu (Bryan J Duff) Date: Fri Oct 7 12:43:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] recovering mysql databases Message-ID: <200510071741.j97Hfwh0006100@dingo.software.umn.edu> Depends on the distro, also which version of the distro. Damn FHS is always changing... -Bryan On 6 Oct 2005, Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Thursday 06 October 2005 12:18, Ian Stoner wrote: > > I recently had some really ugly hardware failure on a desktop I've > > had for years. I had backups of most everything important except > > for a mysql database that I'd really hate to lose. > > > > Although I haven't done a mysql-dump in at least a year, I have > > very recently burned /var/lib/mysql onto a CD. So I have the > > following files backed up from /var/lib/mysql: > > > > amarok debian-5.0.flag ibdata1 murdelized > > test blog [redacted].dnsalias.org.err ib_logfile0 murdevel > > cds ib_arch_log_0000000000 ib_logfile1 mysql > > > > Is it possible to use these files to restore my old databases to my > > new system? I tried just copying them to /var/log/mysql and that > > didn't work. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Ian > > > > -- > > Ian Stoner > > Philosophy Department > > University of Minnesota > > > > Shouldn't they go to /var/db/mysql? > > -- > Thanks, > > Josh Paetzel > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Fri Oct 7 13:36:52 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri Oct 7 13:37:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Final InterLUG details In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051007183652.GB17602@iucha.net> On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 07:28:46AM -0500, Jima wrote: > Passing this on on behalf of Adam. Any carpooling planned? More specifically from north of St. Paul? florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From florin at iucha.net Sun Oct 9 18:13:16 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Sun Oct 9 18:14:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <20051009231316.GA31043@iucha.net> On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 05:55:53PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > root@blh fileIndexer]# java -Xmx256m -jar FileIndexer-1.1.5.jar Warning: > -Xmx256m not understood. Ignoring. Warning: -jar not understood. Ignoring. > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-1.4.2.0-27jpp is the only reference to java I have > with rpm -q Run a 'which java' command to see exactly what java are you running, followed by 'java -version'. I suspect you did not get the SUN jdk but the GNU java. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. From elhaddi at constantdata.com Sun Oct 9 22:34:41 2005 From: elhaddi at constantdata.com (elhaddi@constantdata.com) Date: Sun Oct 9 22:36:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <48695.209.176.212.10.1128913954.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: May be due to missing def of your class path. Check to see if you have a CLASSPATH env var defined. --elhaddi Constant Data. www.constantdata.com On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > Run a 'which java' command to see exactly what java are you running, > > followed by 'java -version'. > > > > I suspect you did not get the SUN jdk but the GNU java. > > > [root@blh ~]# which java > /usr/bin/java > [root@blh ~]# java -version > java version "1.4.2" > gcj (GCC) 3.4.3 20050227 (Red Hat 3.4.3-22.1) > Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO > warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at lctn.org Sun Oct 9 22:44:36 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Sun Oct 9 22:46:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <48695.209.176.212.10.1128913954.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <54468.209.176.212.10.1128915876.squirrel@lctn.org> > > May be due to missing def of your class path. > Check to see if you have a CLASSPATH env var defined. I suppose I could google around for this. I am not sure how to check or change the classpath. From elhaddi at constantdata.com Sun Oct 9 23:30:44 2005 From: elhaddi at constantdata.com (elhaddi@constantdata.com) Date: Sun Oct 9 23:32:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <54468.209.176.212.10.1128915876.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: export CLASSPATH=x;y;z where x;y;z is a semi colon separated list of paths where your java classes are. I am guessing this is the problem you are experiencing because of the No class found error you got. --elhaddi Constant Data www.constantdata.com On Sun, 9 Oct 2005, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > > May be due to missing def of your class path. > > Check to see if you have a CLASSPATH env var defined. > > > I suppose I could google around for this. I am not sure how to check or > change the classpath. > From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 08:07:31 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Mon Oct 10 08:08:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <434A6793.1020602@gmail.com> Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a new centos 4.1 install and installed java-sdk using yum. When I > try to execute the following, I get an exception error: > > > > root@blh fileIndexer]# java -Xmx256m -jar FileIndexer-1.1.5.jar Warning: > -Xmx256m not understood. Ignoring. Warning: -jar not understood. Ignoring. > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-1.4.2.0-27jpp is the only reference to java I have > with rpm -q > > How can I fix this? > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >java version "1.4.2" >gcj (GCC) 3.4.3 20050227 (Red Hat 3.4.3-22.1) The problem is that you are using a distribution of java that is not from Sun, and this distribution does not seem to understand the standard command line parameters of -Xmx and -jar. That is why you got the two warnings - and then since the -jar call failed - of course you got a NoClassDefFound error - because your jar file did not end up on the classpath. I suggest that you read up on this version of java to find out what their variables are (if they exist) to correspond to -Xmx and -jar - or you should install a more "standard" java VM that understands these variables... Having to set a CLASSPATH manually before you run an application should be a last resort. Dan -- **************************** Daniel Armbrust Biomedical Informatics Mayo Clinic Rochester daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu http://informatics.mayo.edu/ From s.earl.martin at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 08:21:34 2005 From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin) Date: Mon Oct 10 08:22:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <54468.209.176.212.10.1128915876.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: > Run a 'which java' command to see exactly what java are you running, > followed by 'java -version'. > > I suspect you did not get the SUN jdk but the GNU java. [root@blh ~]# which java /usr/bin/java [root@blh ~]# java -version java version "1.4.2" gcj (GCC) 3.4.3 20050227 (Red Hat 3.4.3-22.1) Bingo... I'm not sure how far along gcj is, but for the vast majority of Java applications you'll need one of the Sun or IBM SDKs. I don't know much about your distro, but I'd you're usually better off going to java.sun.com and downloading java 5 (a.k.a. 1.5.x) and getting one of their RPMs. As to the classpath, you can do a 'printenv CLASSPATH' to check it. If nothing shows up, google "bashrc CLASSPATH" and you should get detailed instructions. From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 10 09:24:33 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Oct 10 09:26:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <48695.209.176.212.10.1128913954.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <20051009231316.GA31043@iucha.net> <48695.209.176.212.10.1128913954.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <20051010142433.GB31043@iucha.net> On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 10:12:34PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > Run a 'which java' command to see exactly what java are you running, > > followed by 'java -version'. > > > > I suspect you did not get the SUN jdk but the GNU java. > > > [root@blh ~]# which java > /usr/bin/java > [root@blh ~]# java -version > java version "1.4.2" > gcj (GCC) 3.4.3 20050227 (Red Hat 3.4.3-22.1) > Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO > warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. The -X flags are private and specific to Sun/IBM/etc.. I would expect -jar to be supported though. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Sun JVM documentation is here http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/tooldocs/solaris/java.html The gcj documentation is here http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcj/Invoking-gcj.html#Invoking-gcj The original command line is here: % java -Xmx256m -jar FileIndexer-1.1.5.jar I haven't found how to perform basic heap tuning (-Xmx256m) with gcj executables, but this shouldn't be necessary (only a performance improvement). One *ought* to simulate the workings of -jar by finding the main class in the jar manifest: % main=`unzip -c FileIndexer-1.1.5.jar META-INF/MANIFEST.MF | gawk '/^Main-Class:/ { print $2}'` Then you should be able to run gcj like this % gcj --main=$main Then run the executable (if gcj compiles w/o errors) as: % ./FileIndexer But, of course, I would advocate the performance advantages of dynamic compilation and point you to the Sun JVM ;-) Regards, --Tom P.S. FWIW setting CLASSPATH is deprecated in favor of using -cp (with the Sun JVM) From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 11:48:31 2005 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan) Date: Mon Oct 10 11:50:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <434A6793.1020602@gmail.com> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <434A6793.1020602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> > > I suggest that you read up on this version of java to find out what > their variables are (if they exist) to correspond to -Xmx and -jar - or > you should install a more "standard" java VM that understands these > variables... Why do we even have gcj? Oh, that's right. Sun is evil, I forgot. Is any development done it it? Any commercial software is going to use Sun's or IBM's java anyway. I just don't see point of wasting the effort on this. It's like trying to write an open source version of Windows. If I need Windows, I'll get the real thing not some half-baked half-done implementation. Same goes for Java. From samir.nassar at steamedpenguin.com Mon Oct 10 12:04:24 2005 From: samir.nassar at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Oct 10 12:11:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <434A6793.1020602@gmail.com> <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510101204.24573.samir.nassar@steamedpenguin.com> On Monday 10 October 2005 11:48, Ryan wrote: > Why do we even have gcj? Oh, that's right. Sun is evil, I forgot. > Is any development done it it? Any commercial software is going to > use Sun's or IBM's java anyway. I just don't see point of wasting the > effort on this. It's like trying to write an open source version of > Windows. If I need Windows, I'll get the real thing not some > half-baked half-done implementation. Same goes for Java. Aaah yes, nothing like enlightened thought to perk me up in the morning.... Samir M. Nassar From tclug at steamedpenguin.com Mon Oct 10 12:11:26 2005 From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Oct 10 12:13:48 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <434A6793.1020602@gmail.com> <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510101211.26753.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> On Monday 10 October 2005 11:48, Ryan wrote: > Why do we even have gcj? Oh, that's right. Sun is evil, I forgot. > Is any development done it it? Any commercial software is going to > use Sun's or IBM's java anyway. I just don't see point of wasting the > effort on this. It's like trying to write an open source version of > Windows. If I need Windows, I'll get the real thing not some > half-baked half-done implementation. Same goes for Java. Yeah, we all love the sound enlightened thought makes in the morning. -- Samir M. Nassar SteamedPenguin - http://steamedpenguin.com/ From tclug at steamedpenguin.com Mon Oct 10 12:18:12 2005 From: tclug at steamedpenguin.com (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Oct 10 12:20:35 2005 Subject: [OT] [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200510101204.24573.samir.nassar@steamedpenguin.com> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> <200510101204.24573.samir.nassar@steamedpenguin.com> Message-ID: <200510101218.12916.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> On Monday 10 October 2005 12:04, Samir M. Nassar wrote: great! I mistakenly send mail through from the wrong email address, and it is allowed through. :( -- Samir M. Nassar SteamedPenguin - http://steamedpenguin.com/ From rick at real-time.com Mon Oct 10 12:27:41 2005 From: rick at real-time.com (Rick Tanner) Date: Mon Oct 10 12:28:35 2005 Subject: [OT] [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200510101218.12916.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <200510101204.24573.samir.nassar@steamedpenguin.com> <200510101218.12916.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> Message-ID: <200510101227.41408.rick@real-time.com> On Monday 10 October 2005 12:18 pm, Samir M. Nassar wrote: > > great! I mistakenly send mail through from the wrong email address, and it > is allowed through. :( It was held up in the admin approval queue, and then accepted by a list admin (and sent to the list..) -- Rick Tanner | Phone : (952) 943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952) 943-8500 From josh at joshwelch.com Mon Oct 10 13:11:46 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Oct 10 13:14:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200510101211.26753.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <434A6793.1020602@gmail.com> <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> <200510101211.26753.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> Message-ID: <434AAEE2.4060008@joshwelch.com> Samir M. Nassar wrote: > On Monday 10 October 2005 11:48, Ryan wrote: > > >>Why do we even have gcj? Oh, that's right. Sun is evil, I forgot. >>Is any development done it it? Any commercial software is going to >>use Sun's or IBM's java anyway. I just don't see point of wasting the >>effort on this. It's like trying to write an open source version of >>Windows. If I need Windows, I'll get the real thing not some >>half-baked half-done implementation. Same goes for Java. > > > Yeah, we all love the sound enlightened thought makes in the morning. > While I understand it is fairly fashionable to rail against all things commercial and/or proprietary in any Linux forum, what the heck is wrong with wanting something that works with minimal futzing around? Sun's proprietary JDK works and works well, or as well as Java works. It was fairly trivial to install, and all other products which depend on Java behaved as expected. I've tried fooling around with the GNU JDK, much to my annoyance. I like free software, as in speech and beer, but sometimes I care more about something working well and in a fashion that I expect than I care about the freedom of said software. Perhaps that is unenlightened, but I've got shit to do and most of it needs to be done now rather than later. That being said, I need to get back at it. Josh From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 10 13:21:20 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Oct 10 13:22:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <434AAEE2.4060008@joshwelch.com> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <434A6793.1020602@gmail.com> <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> <200510101211.26753.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> <434AAEE2.4060008@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <20051010182120.GF31043@iucha.net> On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:11:46PM -0500, Josh Welch wrote: > While I understand it is fairly fashionable to rail against all things > commercial and/or proprietary in any Linux forum, what the heck is wrong > with wanting something that works with minimal futzing around? Yes! Sun, and Josh, please give me Java for my Linux PowerPC and Linux Sparc machines. [IBM started a _BETA_ of Java 5.0 just last month.] So much for write once, run everywhere! > Sun's proprietary JDK works and works well, or as well as Java works. It > was fairly trivial to install, and all other products which depend on > Java behaved as expected. I've tried fooling around with the GNU JDK, > much to my annoyance. > > I like free software, as in speech and beer, but sometimes I care more > about something working well and in a fashion that I expect than I care > about the freedom of said software. Perhaps that is unenlightened, but > I've got shit to do and most of it needs to be done now rather than later. > > That being said, I need to get back at it. Definitely. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just don't see point of wasting the > > effort on this. It's like trying to write an open source version of > > Windows. If I need Windows, I'll get the real thing not some > > half-baked half-done implementation. Same goes for Java. > > Yeah, we all love the sound enlightened thought makes in the morning. It sounds like.... victory! -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Oct 10 13:54:45 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Oct 10 13:56:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510101854.j9AIsjh00639@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: HP LaserJet cartridge Brand new unopened: 91A print cartridge - LaserJet IIIsi - 4si $30 Seller Email address: estohr at arcainc dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From srcfoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 16:35:01 2005 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (EP) Date: Mon Oct 10 16:36:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] VNC Question Message-ID: <579c6fd30510101435h4e3036b3xfb3ed732a418e3ff@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Is there a way to disable the screen on a workstation when someone connects to it using VNC? We have VNC installed on a workstation that can only be connected to locally. It has data on it that we don't necessarily want people to be able to see on the screen as they walk by so we would like a way to disable the screen from being viewed when a VNC connection is in use. I haven't found anything via Google so I'm thinking there isn't a way (without writing code). The workstation is a Windows XP Home machine. Well aware of the security implications, but for now it's the best solution. Any ideas/alternatives? Thanks, Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051010/90cf46f4/attachment-0001.htm From john.meier at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 16:58:07 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Oct 10 17:00:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] VNC Question In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30510101435h4e3036b3xfb3ed732a418e3ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30510101435h4e3036b3xfb3ed732a418e3ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc0510101458gc058a5bm5b0606c02577f6f8@mail.gmail.com> On 10/10/05, EP wrote: > Hello, > > Is there a way to disable the screen on a workstation when someone connects > to it using VNC? 1) Unplug monitor ? :) 2) Maybe can you connect to an alternate screen number? i.e. yourhost.domain.com:1 when you connect? I don't know if alternate screens are shown on the server if it's not the default screen "0" though. From srcfoo at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 17:29:04 2005 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (EP) Date: Mon Oct 10 17:30:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] VNC Question... SOLVED Message-ID: <579c6fd30510101529o619e576j2b8328b17811b61c@mail.gmail.com> Well I received a few a good suggestions, but the best solution I found was UltraVNC at http://ultravnc.sourceforge.net It has an option to disable the remote screen, keyboard, and mouse. It has the same options/encodings as tightVNC plus a lot more including encryption plug-ins. Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051010/90620508/attachment.htm From dniesen at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 19:02:35 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Mon Oct 10 19:02:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] VNC Question... SOLVED In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30510101529o619e576j2b8328b17811b61c@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30510101529o619e576j2b8328b17811b61c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70510101702s6f8e658bi58f0c24edf1d5387@mail.gmail.com> I ran across UltraVNC when I was looking for a way to help people without having to configure their router, install software on their machine or determine their IP. UltraVNC's SingleClick will do a reverse VNC connection to a predetermined address (no-ip.com is your friend here) so controlling an ailing computer is as simple as starting up the listening VNC viewer on your own machine and then having the person run an executable from their desktop or your website. Doesn't install any software, easy to set up, don't have to walk someone through configuring port-forwarding over the phone, very slick. On 10/10/05, EP wrote: > Well I received a few a good suggestions, but the best solution I found was > UltraVNC at > > http://ultravnc.sourceforge.net > > It has an option to disable the remote screen, keyboard, and mouse. It has > the same options/encodings as tightVNC plus a lot more including encryption > plug-ins. > > Check it out! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Oct 11 04:34:05 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue Oct 11 04:34:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] VNC Question... SOLVED In-Reply-To: <17828472.1128989228034.JavaMail.root@sniper33> References: <579c6fd30510101529o619e576j2b8328b17811b61c@mail.gmail.com> <17828472.1128989228034.JavaMail.root@sniper33> Message-ID: <200510110434.06216.jus@krytosvirus.com> While I have never used UltraVNC, TightVNC also has a listrening viewer daemon as well, but I have also not used it for anything other that initiating viewer sessions from my local machine. As for encryption, I can't think of anything better than piping VNC thru SSH, and on a DSL using SSH compression makes a difference. It is good you have found a solution that works in any case. On Monday 10 October 2005 07:02 pm, Donovan Niesen wrote: > I ran across UltraVNC when I was looking for a way to help people > without having to configure their router, install software on their > machine or determine their IP. UltraVNC's SingleClick will do a > reverse VNC connection to a predetermined address (no-ip.com is your > friend here) so controlling an ailing computer is as simple as > starting up the listening VNC viewer on your own machine and then > having the person run an executable from their desktop or your > website. Doesn't install any software, easy to set up, don't have to > walk someone through configuring port-forwarding over the phone, very > slick. > > On 10/10/05, EP wrote: > > Well I received a few a good suggestions, but the best solution I found > > was UltraVNC at > > > > http://ultravnc.sourceforge.net > > > > It has an option to disable the remote screen, keyboard, and mouse. It > > has the same options/encodings as tightVNC plus a lot more including > > encryption plug-ins. > > > > Check it out! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Donovan Niesen > dniesen@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Oct 11 13:22:09 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue Oct 11 13:22:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510111822.j9BIM9w11647@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: ATI Radeon 9550 256 MB, AGP, roughly 6 mo old, worked when I pulled it from my machine a month or so ago. $65 Seller Email address: evisuale at yahoo dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From natecars at natecarlson.com Wed Oct 12 13:27:02 2005 From: natecars at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Oct 12 13:27:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Spare Netapp F740 head? Message-ID: Anyone happen to have a spare NetApp F740 head sitting around? I seem to recall that some people on the list got a whole pile of 'em in that liquidation dealio awhile ago.. if you've got one sitting, please send me a message offlist. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tclug at greatlakedata.com Wed Oct 12 13:29:20 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Wed Oct 12 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] bad connection recovery behaviour Message-ID: <434D5600.7000009@greatlakedata.com> hi, i think there's room for improvement in the way either ssh or the linux kernel handles error recovery. my ssh connections frequently "go dead". after many minutes, or hours, one of these "dead" connections may well "wake up" again. in the meantime, opening fresh connections to the very same machines is almost never a problem. hence when one of the newer connections "goes dead", i can open up an even newer one, or often, resume using one of the older ones that has come alive again. it's likely that the immediate cause of all this is bad wiring in my house. and qwest, in their famous molasses fashion, is likely to get it sorted eventually. in the meantime i'd say there's a golden opportunity here if someone out there responsible for error recovery code were interested in doing some testing using my nice bad connection testbed. i could imagine it being applicable either at the ssh app level or kernel networking level. if anyone "has connections" with any such folk, or otherwise thinks this might be worth pursuing, i'll be happy to cooperate.. greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From admin at lctn.org Wed Oct 12 13:40:54 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed Oct 12 13:41:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] two sendmail questions Message-ID: <34836.64.8.148.5.1129142454.squirrel@lctn.org> 1) What file can I edit to set sendmail (outside of /etc/mail/access), so it only receives mail from a single relay server? 2) I am getting complaints from Outlook users that the same messages keep coming down everyday, so they end up with multiple duplicates. Is this something that can be controlled in sendmail? From drue at therub.org Wed Oct 12 13:44:12 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Wed Oct 12 13:45:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] bad connection recovery behaviour In-Reply-To: <434D5600.7000009@greatlakedata.com> References: <434D5600.7000009@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <20051012184412.GH77021@therub.org> I've dealt with similar symptoms before and I've generally come to the conclusion that it's a crappy firewall between hosts. I managed to solve the problem, for my users at least, by setting this in my sshd_config: ClientAliveInterval 300 >From man sshd_config: ClientAliveInterval Sets a timeout interval in seconds after which if no data has been received from the client, sshd will send a message through the encrypted channel to request a response from the client. The default is 0, indicating that these messages will not be sent to the client. This option applies to protocol version 2 only. Going by what taht says, and the fact that it solves the problem for me, I figure that some firewalls will drop state during idle ssh sessions. And like I said, ClientTAliveInterval fixed it for my users that were having the same symptoms. Anyway, it's worth a try before rewiring your house :) Dan On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 01:29:20PM -0500, greg wm wrote: > hi, > > i think there's room for improvement in the way either ssh or the linux > kernel handles error recovery. > > my ssh connections frequently "go dead". after many minutes, or hours, > one of these "dead" connections may well "wake up" again. > > in the meantime, opening fresh connections to the very same machines is > almost never a problem. > > hence when one of the newer connections "goes dead", i can open up an > even newer one, or often, resume using one of the older ones that has > come alive again. > > it's likely that the immediate cause of all this is bad wiring in my > house. and qwest, in their famous molasses fashion, is likely to get it > sorted eventually. > > in the meantime i'd say there's a golden opportunity here if someone out > there responsible for error recovery code were interested in doing some > testing using my nice bad connection testbed. i could imagine it being > applicable either at the ssh app level or kernel networking level. if > anyone "has connections" with any such folk, or otherwise thinks this > might be worth pursuing, i'll be happy to cooperate.. > > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Wed Oct 12 14:39:29 2005 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Wed Oct 12 14:41:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SCALUG Installfest Message-ID: <434D6671.3080009@askewview.net> Hi all, Just a reminder that SCALUGs Installfest is this Saturday from 10am to 6pm at Meeting Grounds: Sartell. Info on how to get there is at http://scalug.us All are welcome. We're hoping to have quite a few newer linux users from Saint Cloud Technical College and Saint Cloud State University present. -Adam From shanson at cruiskeen.com Wed Oct 12 16:12:27 2005 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Wed Oct 12 16:13:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] two sendmail questions In-Reply-To: <34836.64.8.148.5.1129142454.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <34836.64.8.148.5.1129142454.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <434D7C3B.8050004@cruiskeen.com> Raymond Norton wrote: > 1) > What file can I edit to set sendmail (outside of /etc/mail/access), so it > only receives mail from a single relay server? You can use DAEMON_OPTIONS in your sendmail.mc - DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl But preferably, if you have a copy of sendmail that is compiled with tcp_wrappers support, just set up /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow for whatever machines you want to accept connections from. > > 2) > I am getting complaints from Outlook users that the same messages keep > coming down everyday, so they end up with multiple duplicates. Is this > something that can be controlled in sendmail? Not really in sendmail. If, for example, you're using Cyrus IMAP, you can make it do dup suppression there, but it requires keeping a big honking database of message ID's. Besides, this is probably not really duplicates going through sendmail - I expect they're probably downloading the same message over and over again with POP, which would be a whole different problem. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Oct 12 16:56:02 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed Oct 12 16:57:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] two sendmail questions In-Reply-To: <434D7C3B.8050004@cruiskeen.com> References: <34836.64.8.148.5.1129142454.squirrel@lctn.org> <434D7C3B.8050004@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <41981.209.176.212.10.1129154162.squirrel@lctn.org> >I expect they're probably > downloading the same message over and over again with POP, which would > be a whole different problem. We are using dovecot for Imap and pop3. Is there anything that can be configured to prevent the duplicates? In the past I have found if a user's pop3 server was set up as mail.domain.com, and later changed to an IP, all messages that are stored on the server would come down again. Nothing has been changed, so I'm not sure why the problem has cropped up. From ajs at cems.umn.edu Wed Oct 12 17:25:21 2005 From: ajs at cems.umn.edu (Andy Schmid) Date: Wed Oct 12 17:25:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SCALUG Installfest In-Reply-To: <434D6671.3080009@askewview.net> References: <434D6671.3080009@askewview.net> Message-ID: <434D8D51.3020109@cems.umn.edu> If anyone from the minneapolis area is planning on attending the install fest in st cloud, I am looking for a ride! Why not carpool and save on fuel costs :) I live around the umn campus (right off 35). thanks, Andy Adam wrote: > Hi all, > Just a reminder that SCALUGs Installfest is this Saturday from 10am to > 6pm at Meeting Grounds: Sartell. Info on how to get there is at > http://scalug.us All are welcome. We're hoping to have quite a few > newer linux users from Saint Cloud Technical College and Saint Cloud > State University present. > > -Adam > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at natecarlson.com Wed Oct 12 19:20:47 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Oct 12 19:21:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Spare Netapp F740 head? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone happen to have a spare NetApp F740 head sitting around? I seem to > recall that some people on the list got a whole pile of 'em in that > liquidation dealio awhile ago.. if you've got one sitting, please send > me a message offlist. Never mind on this - we got what we need. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From josh at joshwelch.com Wed Oct 12 21:00:34 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Wed Oct 12 21:03:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] two sendmail questions In-Reply-To: <41981.209.176.212.10.1129154162.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <34836.64.8.148.5.1129142454.squirrel@lctn.org> <434D7C3B.8050004@cruiskeen.com> <41981.209.176.212.10.1129154162.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <434DBFC2.20009@joshwelch.com> Raymond Norton wrote: >> I expect they're probably >> downloading the same message over and over again with POP, which would >> be a whole different problem. > > > We are using dovecot for Imap and pop3. Is there anything that can be > configured to prevent the duplicates? In the past I have found if a user's > pop3 server was set up as mail.domain.com, and later changed to an IP, all > messages that are stored on the server would come down again. Nothing has > been changed, so I'm not sure why the problem has cropped up. > The last thing that a POP3 client does after downloading email is to tell the server, I got this email, don't send it to me again. If your connection to the POP3 server gets terminated prior to the client closing the connection gracefully, they will download the same messages again next time they connect to the server. This behavior can be caused by network issues or POP3 clients behaving poorly. Josh From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Oct 13 05:58:39 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu Oct 13 05:59:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] bad connection recovery behaviour In-Reply-To: <19994747.1129142951598.JavaMail.root@sniper3> References: <434D5600.7000009@greatlakedata.com> <19994747.1129142951598.JavaMail.root@sniper3> Message-ID: <200510130558.39968.jus@krytosvirus.com> This is especially true for NAT'ed clients/servers. The NAT mapping will eventually expire when there is no activity, though that doesn't sound like the case in this scenario if the connections start working again. I have never ever had this problem before so I would imagine you have some odd circumstances. I use SSH all day every day over the internet and local ethernet network at home and at work. It would help if you provided some additional info like where you are connecting from and to and with what software. Are you going from Windows to a Linux box? Or vice versa. Are you using OpenSSH or PuTTy? Is the connection over all ethernet in your house with only a switch or is it going out onto the internet? Also, how long do the connections normally last before they stop working? Does it happen after a long period of inactivity? How long do they stop working before they start working again? On Wednesday 12 October 2005 01:44 pm, Dan Rue wrote: > I've dealt with similar symptoms before and I've generally come to the > conclusion that it's a crappy firewall between hosts. I managed to > solve the problem, for my users at least, by setting this in my > sshd_config: > > ClientAliveInterval 300 > > >From man sshd_config: > > ClientAliveInterval > Sets a timeout interval in seconds after which if no data has > been received from the client, sshd will send a message through > the encrypted channel to request a response from the client. The > default is 0, indicating that these messages will not be sent to > the client. This option applies to protocol version 2 only. > > Going by what taht says, and the fact that it solves the problem for me, > I figure that some firewalls will drop state during idle ssh sessions. > And like I said, ClientTAliveInterval fixed it for my users that were > having the same symptoms. > > Anyway, it's worth a try before rewiring your house :) > > Dan > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 01:29:20PM -0500, greg wm wrote: > > hi, > > > > i think there's room for improvement in the way either ssh or the linux > > kernel handles error recovery. > > > > my ssh connections frequently "go dead". after many minutes, or hours, > > one of these "dead" connections may well "wake up" again. > > > > in the meantime, opening fresh connections to the very same machines is > > almost never a problem. > > > > hence when one of the newer connections "goes dead", i can open up an > > even newer one, or often, resume using one of the older ones that has > > come alive again. > > > > it's likely that the immediate cause of all this is bad wiring in my > > house. and qwest, in their famous molasses fashion, is likely to get it > > sorted eventually. > > > > in the meantime i'd say there's a golden opportunity here if someone out > > there responsible for error recovery code were interested in doing some > > testing using my nice bad connection testbed. i could imagine it being > > applicable either at the ssh app level or kernel networking level. if > > anyone "has connections" with any such folk, or otherwise thinks this > > might be worth pursuing, i'll be happy to cooperate.. > > > > greg > > > > Greg Whitley Mott > > IT Coordinator > > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Oct 13 06:09:11 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu Oct 13 06:09:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] two sendmail questions In-Reply-To: <31625543.1129169226795.JavaMail.root@sniper28> References: <34836.64.8.148.5.1129142454.squirrel@lctn.org> <41981.209.176.212.10.1129154162.squirrel@lctn.org> <31625543.1129169226795.JavaMail.root@sniper28> Message-ID: <200510130609.12377.jus@krytosvirus.com> For POP3 The mail clients (this is outlooks default behavior) will send a delete command to delete all of the messages on the server for their account after the client has finished downloading the messages. In the client this sending of the "delete" message can be disabled or modified to delete after certain days or other possibilities. The delete command will also not get sent if the connection to the pop server is broken prior to downloading all of the messages. Next time they check for new mail they will get all of their new mail again. If there is a successful download of all messages and the client is NOT deleting the messages after download the mail client will remember which messages it has already downloaded from the server. If they change the name of the pop3 server (even it is to the same server just under a different name) the client will think this is a new server and download all of the messages. In any case, unless there is some good reason to keep the messages store on the server with pop3 accounts, don't do it. In outlook (mostly applies to outlook express too) the setting to modify this behavior is located in Tools > E-mail Accounts > "Change" the account in question > Advanced tab > check boxes at the bottom. If they are getting this behavior with IMAP I am not sure what could be going on. Make sure they do not have their account setup twice in the mail client or something I guess. Does everyone get dupes or just certain people? On Wednesday 12 October 2005 09:00 pm, Josh Welch wrote: > Raymond Norton wrote: > >> I expect they're probably > >> downloading the same message over and over again with POP, which would > >> be a whole different problem. > > > > We are using dovecot for Imap and pop3. Is there anything that can be > > configured to prevent the duplicates? In the past I have found if a > > user's pop3 server was set up as mail.domain.com, and later changed to an > > IP, all messages that are stored on the server would come down again. > > Nothing has been changed, so I'm not sure why the problem has cropped up. > > The last thing that a POP3 client does after downloading email is to > tell the server, I got this email, don't send it to me again. If your > connection to the POP3 server gets terminated prior to the client > closing the connection gracefully, they will download the same messages > again next time they connect to the server. This behavior can be caused > by network issues or POP3 clients behaving poorly. > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at greatlakedata.com Thu Oct 13 12:45:17 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Thu Oct 13 12:47:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] bad connection recovery behaviour In-Reply-To: <200510130558.39968.jus@krytosvirus.com> References: <434D5600.7000009@greatlakedata.com> <19994747.1129142951598.JavaMail.root@sniper3> <200510130558.39968.jus@krytosvirus.com> Message-ID: <434E9D2D.7060906@greatlakedata.com> i'm blaming wiring because my ssh connections occationally "go dead" even within 30 seconds of opening the connection. and hence i doubt it makes sense in my case to blame the firewall, unless perhaps the firewall could be blamed for poor error recovery behaviour. addl info you asked for: openssh-3.9p1-8.RHEL4.4 & kernel-2.6.9-11.EL (centos 4) on both ends, actiontec/qwest/cpinternet in minneapolis on one end and actiontec/qwest/msn in st paul on the other end, nat on both ends, but all that was the same before moving house when there was no problem, i brought the same actiontec with me, and now these problems, hence again i blame the wiring, or perhaps different equip at the CO. but back to my original point, even with bad wiring, i think there's room for improved robustness either in ssh and/or in the kernel networking code. i envision that with better error recovery, i shouldn't be needing to open new connections even if packets get lost or whatever is happening. if any of you know any folk interested in testing that sort of code, i'd be happy to help by providing access.. Justin Krejci wrote: > This is especially true for NAT'ed clients/servers. The NAT mapping will > eventually expire when there is no activity, though that doesn't sound like > the case in this scenario if the connections start working again. I have > never ever had this problem before so I would imagine you have some odd > circumstances. I use SSH all day every day over the internet and local > ethernet network at home and at work. > > It would help if you provided some additional info like where you are > connecting from and to and with what software. Are you going from Windows to > a Linux box? Or vice versa. Are you using OpenSSH or PuTTy? Is the connection > over all ethernet in your house with only a switch or is it going out onto > the internet? > > Also, how long do the connections normally last before they stop working? Does > it happen after a long period of inactivity? How long do they stop working > before they start working again? > > On Wednesday 12 October 2005 01:44 pm, Dan Rue wrote: >>I've dealt with similar symptoms before and I've generally come to the >>conclusion that it's a crappy firewall between hosts. I managed to >>solve the problem, for my users at least, by setting this in my >>sshd_config: >> >>ClientAliveInterval 300 >> >>>From man sshd_config: >> >>ClientAliveInterval >> Sets a timeout interval in seconds after which if no data has >> been received from the client, sshd will send a message through >> the encrypted channel to request a response from the client. The >> default is 0, indicating that these messages will not be sent to >> the client. This option applies to protocol version 2 only. >> >>Going by what taht says, and the fact that it solves the problem for me, >>I figure that some firewalls will drop state during idle ssh sessions. >>And like I said, ClientTAliveInterval fixed it for my users that were >>having the same symptoms. >> >>Anyway, it's worth a try before rewiring your house :) >> >>Dan >> >>On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 01:29:20PM -0500, greg wm wrote: >>>hi, >>> >>>i think there's room for improvement in the way either ssh or the linux >>>kernel handles error recovery. >>> >>>my ssh connections frequently "go dead". after many minutes, or hours, >>>one of these "dead" connections may well "wake up" again. >>> >>>in the meantime, opening fresh connections to the very same machines is >>>almost never a problem. >>> >>>hence when one of the newer connections "goes dead", i can open up an >>>even newer one, or often, resume using one of the older ones that has >>>come alive again. >>> >>>it's likely that the immediate cause of all this is bad wiring in my >>>house. and qwest, in their famous molasses fashion, is likely to get it >>>sorted eventually. >>> >>>in the meantime i'd say there's a golden opportunity here if someone out >>>there responsible for error recovery code were interested in doing some >>>testing using my nice bad connection testbed. i could imagine it being >>>applicable either at the ssh app level or kernel networking level. if >>>anyone "has connections" with any such folk, or otherwise thinks this >>>might be worth pursuing, i'll be happy to cooperate.. >>> >>>greg >>> >>>Greg Whitley Mott >>>IT Coordinator >>>NonviolentPeaceforce.org From florin at iucha.net Thu Oct 13 12:50:12 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu Oct 13 12:51:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20051010182120.GF31043@iucha.net> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <434A6793.1020602@gmail.com> <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> <200510101211.26753.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> <434AAEE2.4060008@joshwelch.com> <20051010182120.GF31043@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20051013175011.GP31043@iucha.net> Knock, knock! Is this horse still on? > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:11:46PM -0500, Josh Welch wrote: > > Sun's proprietary JDK works and works well, or as well as Java works. It > > was fairly trivial to install, and all other products which depend on > > Java behaved as expected. I've tried fooling around with the GNU JDK, > > much to my annoyance. > > > > I like free software, as in speech and beer, but sometimes I care more > > about something working well and in a fashion that I expect than I care > > about the freedom of said software. Perhaps that is unenlightened, but > > I've got shit to do and most of it needs to be done now rather than later. http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2005-October/010527.html SUN/Swing are in dire need of some competition... Netbeans got significantly better since Eclipse showed up. Cheers, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051013/80c6fcfa/attachment.pgp From tmarble at info9.net Thu Oct 13 13:05:17 2005 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Thu Oct 13 13:05:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] NetBeans [was (no subject)] In-Reply-To: <20051013175011.GP31043@iucha.net> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <434A6793.1020602@gmail.com> <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> <200510101211.26753.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> <434AAEE2.4060008@joshwelch.com> <20051010182120.GF31043@iucha.net> <20051013175011.GP31043@iucha.net> Message-ID: <434EA1DD.2020100@info9.net> Florin Iucha wrote: > Knock, knock! Is this horse still on? Meet the new horse: it's apparently about windowing environments and development platforms. > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2005-October/010527.html > > SUN/Swing are in dire need of some competition... Netbeans got > significantly better since Eclipse showed up. I agree, competition is good. Does Java play as well as it could with ICCCM, X, etc.? It probably could stand some improvement. But at least there is a *chance* of the same jar working multi-platform (and multi-vendor, I might add) as opposed to the SWT-ism's and WebSphere-ism's of Eclipse. Does Swing have competition? Certainly. At one level we can talk about SWT, at another .NET, and yet another AJAX (etc.). But just to set the record straight... NetBeans got better when Steve took over the group. Now Tim's in charge and also doing a fine job. Having worked for both of them (in their prior gigs) I can say that sometimes the people make all the difference. Regards, --Tom From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 13:53:28 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Thu Oct 13 13:53:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] NetBeans [was (no subject)] In-Reply-To: <434EA1DD.2020100@info9.net> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <434A6793.1020602@gmail.com> <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> <200510101211.26753.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> <434AAEE2.4060008@joshwelch.com> <20051010182120.GF31043@iucha.net> <20051013175011.GP31043@iucha.net> <434EA1DD.2020100@info9.net> Message-ID: <434EAD28.8050402@gmail.com> Tom Marble wrote: > I agree, competition is good. > > Does Java play as well as it could with ICCCM, X, etc.? It > probably could stand some improvement. But at least there is a *chance* > of the same jar working multi-platform (and multi-vendor, I might add) > as opposed to the SWT-ism's and WebSphere-ism's of Eclipse. > > Does Swing have competition? Certainly. At one level we can talk > about SWT, at another .NET, and yet another AJAX (etc.). > > But just to set the record straight... NetBeans got better when > Steve took over the group. Now Tim's in charge and also doing a fine job. > Having worked for both of them (in their prior gigs) I can say that sometimes > the people make all the difference. > > Regards, > > --Tom > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Too bad the competition isn't actually prodding them to fix Swing. I now write all of my GUI's in SWT - and am very happy with it. If Sun would stop having a war with Eclipse, they could just bring SWT directly into the platform, and there wouldn't be any issues at all with SWT from platform to platform. That said, I don't really have a problem with SWT now - it webstarts on all platforms - and if I'm not going the webstart route, my ant build script simply kicks out a different build per platform. Dan -- **************************** Daniel Armbrust Biomedical Informatics Mayo Clinic Rochester daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu http://informatics.mayo.edu/ From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Oct 13 13:54:58 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Thu Oct 13 13:55:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510131854.j9DIswY06697@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Need Monitor 17 inches or larger I need a working 17"+ monitor. If you have one you want to get rid off/sell for cheap, please mail me at... ajaybehl AT gmail DOT com Thanks! Ajay Seller Email address: ajaybehl at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From tmarble at info9.net Thu Oct 13 14:01:45 2005 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Thu Oct 13 14:03:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] NetBeans [was (no subject)] In-Reply-To: <434EAD28.8050402@gmail.com> References: <58510.209.176.212.10.1128898553.squirrel@lctn.org> <434A6793.1020602@gmail.com> <307a337f0510100948t4e49440dr47a8a2e6879d8426@mail.gmail.com> <200510101211.26753.tclug@steamedpenguin.com> <434AAEE2.4060008@joshwelch.com> <20051010182120.GF31043@iucha.net> <20051013175011.GP31043@iucha.net> <434EA1DD.2020100@info9.net> <434EAD28.8050402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <434EAF19.2070005@info9.net> Dan Armbrust wrote: > Too bad the competition isn't actually prodding them to fix Swing. > I now write all of my GUI's in SWT - and am very happy with it. What's broken with Swing? And/or what makes you happy about SWT? If you are going to compare performance, do you have any side-by-side comparisons? Thanks, --Tom From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 15:16:48 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Thu Oct 13 15:17:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Whats wrong with swing? Message-ID: <434EC0B0.60904@gmail.com> Tom Marble wrote: > What's broken with Swing? And/or what makes you happy about SWT? > > If you are going to compare performance, do you have any side-by-side > comparisons? > > Thanks, > > --Tom > Theres a loaded question :) I broke this out into a new thread so it would stop ending up under a massive no-subject thread in my client... I'll start with things that are annoying about swing from a development perspective. Swings default layout managers pretty much suck. They are overly difficult to use (especially the GridBagLayout), require large amounts of code, and when the code is done, someone looking at it won't have a clue what they actually look like until they see it run. I stopped using suns layout managers the first time I saw the JGoodies forms layout manager (I learned about it when the author gave a presentation on it at JavaOne) http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/forms/index.html Swing gui's created with the jgoodies tooling take about 15% of the layout code and get better results than an identical GridBagLayout. Next, if you don't want to have a Swing application that "freezes" - or ceases to paint the screen whenever you are doing time-consuming calculations, you need to jump through a whole additional set of hoops to set up the threading and proper error handling in Suns Swing world. This is basic stuff - it shouldn't be difficult. But sun manages to make it a pain. Hence, most java apps that are written in swing simply stop painting the screen when they are doing something time consuming. Luckily, someone else solved this problem with the Swing APIs. http://foxtrot.sourceforge.net/ So now we have two things that Sun could take (or learn from) to vastly their APIs - but they don't do it. I find that writing gui code in SWT is much easier, quicker, and intuitive. Their API's are clean and consistent. Their complex layout managers are much simpler to learn and easier to use than Sun's complex layout managers. The overall learning curve is tiny compared to Swing. Now, from the end user perspective of someone using a swing app - why doesn't the application look like all of my other standard applications? Swing tries to emulate what the platform actually looks and behaves like, and while they do a reasonable job, they still don't get it right. Sun is great at matching up 95% of the look and feel - and just letting the rest fall through the cracks. Colors are slightly off, tab driven cursor movements don't always do the same thing that they do in native applications, etc. Not to mention that the GUI is also slower than all native applications - which leads to the (wrong) impression that java is slow and can't perform on the desktop. The problem really is Swing. Have you seen the JFileChooser on Windows XP? It doesn't look at all like a Windows XP file chooser. And it is slow slow slow. Oh, and of course, it only took them 2 years to write the Windows XP look and feel _after_ Windows XP had already been released. How long do you suppose it will take Sun to emulate the new look and feel of "Windows++SuperCharged3.0" when it comes out? And if a user customizes the look and feel of their desktop - none of those changes go through to a Swing app. So it just looks bad. In SWT - your users are presented with a GUI that looks like they expect it to look - on whatever platform they are using. Everything behaves exactly as they are used to - because it is all using native widgets. If your users customize their system colors, fonts, etc - everything carries through to your SWT application. I have also found the SWT developers to be _much_ more responsive to fixing bugs that the Swing developers. Of the two bugs I have found and reported - both were fixed in < 3 days. The bug I discovered just yesterday in the 1.5 jdks that was really the final straw for me - If you launch a swing application with the -Xmx parameter to set the max heap size - and you set it to more than 1059M - Swing refuses to paint the text of any component in your application. I don't even want to think of what kind of code they have under the covers that could cause an error like that. One final point - how many _popular_ end user applications have ever been written in Swing? JBuilder, NetBeans - about the only things I can think of is developer tools. Its been around for how many years? Is it more than 10 yet? Any platform with as small of a user base as Swing should be looked at as a complete failure after this long. Here is an application written in SWT - and it looks so nice and works so well that most end users wouldn't even recognize as being a java application. And thats a good thing, given java's reputation on the desktop. http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ Dan -- **************************** Daniel Armbrust Biomedical Informatics Mayo Clinic Rochester daniel.armbrust(at)mayo.edu http://informatics.mayo.edu/ From tmarble at info9.net Thu Oct 13 16:18:39 2005 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Thu Oct 13 16:19:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Whats wrong with swing? In-Reply-To: <434EC0B0.60904@gmail.com> References: <434EC0B0.60904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <434ECF2F.3090201@info9.net> Dan Armbrust wrote: > Swings default layout managers pretty much suck. They are overly > difficult to use (especially the GridBagLayout), require large amounts > of code, and when the code is done, someone looking at it won't have a > clue what they actually look like until they see it run. One of the efforts here is Matisse -- a new layout tool in NetBeans. http://www.netbeans.org/kb/articles/matisse.html > Next, if you don't want to have a Swing application that "freezes" - or > ceases to paint the screen whenever you are doing time-consuming > calculations, you need to jump through a whole additional set of hoops > to set up the threading and proper error handling in Suns Swing world. I assumed that everyone knew that you want different things in different threads: the UI in one thread, the model in one thread, the network interface in one thread, etc... But a simpler API like foxtrot is a good idea. > The bug I discovered just yesterday in the 1.5 jdks that was really the > final straw for me - If you launch a swing application with the -Xmx > parameter to set the max heap size - and you set it to more than 1059M - > Swing refuses to paint the text of any component in your application. That does seem strange... How much memory is on the machine? How much memory is available (i.e. after the OS and the other apps are taken off the total amount of physical RAM)? Is this repeatable on other machines and/or other versions of Windows? Does the behavior always change between -Xmx1059m and -Xmx1060m? > One final point - how many _popular_ end user applications have ever > been written in Swing? http://community.java.net/javadesktop/ http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/sightings/index.html Regards, --Tom From austad at signal15.com Fri Oct 14 14:28:52 2005 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Fri Oct 14 14:30:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] s/key or OPIE hardware tokens Message-ID: Does anyone make these? If not, who would I contact to make me some cheaply? From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Oct 15 11:17:18 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat Oct 15 11:18:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510151617.j9FGHI232216@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Misc Network Gear I'm moving again, which means I'm once again getting rid of hardware I'm not using rather than moving it. 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Free to first person who picks it up. I'm in the SW 'burbs. josh@joshwelch.com Seller Email address: josh at joshwelch dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Oct 17 10:24:51 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Oct 17 10:27:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? Message-ID: <20051017102451.00004ecc@c16360> Hi, I'm looking for something to replace Quickbooks. I need the basic features: 1.) Can create invoices. 2.) Can track Checking / Credit Card accounts 3.) Can download statements from USBank 4.) Most importantly, can import existing Quickbooks data so I don't have to re-enter 3 years worth of data. That's really about it. I looked at Moneydance, but it doesn't seem to be able to do itemp number 4. I'm not looking for free s/w (though that' certainly preferable), just something that runs on Linux. Any ideas? Josh From bhurt at spnz.org Mon Oct 17 10:55:11 2005 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon Oct 17 10:55:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? In-Reply-To: <20051017102451.00004ecc@c16360> References: <20051017102451.00004ecc@c16360> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for something to replace Quickbooks. I need the basic > features: > > 1.) Can create invoices. > 2.) Can track Checking / Credit Card accounts > 3.) Can download statements from USBank > 4.) Most importantly, can import existing Quickbooks data so I don't > have to re-enter 3 years worth of data. > > That's really about it. I looked at Moneydance, but it doesn't seem > to be able to do itemp number 4. > > I'm not looking for free s/w (though that' certainly preferable), just > something that runs on Linux. > > Any ideas? Take a look at this series: http://lwn.net/Articles/149383/ http://lwn.net/Articles/153043/ Where LWN goes through and reviews the current crop of linux-available personal finance managers, and see what looks usefull. Brian From jimdscott at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 10:57:41 2005 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Mon Oct 17 11:01:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? In-Reply-To: <20051017102451.00004ecc@c16360> References: <20051017102451.00004ecc@c16360> Message-ID: How about Gnucash (http://www.gnucash.org/). Features list: http://www.gnucash.org/en/features_5.phtml On 10/17/05, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for something to replace Quickbooks. I need the basic > features: > > 1.) Can create invoices. > 2.) Can track Checking / Credit Card accounts > 3.) Can download statements from USBank > 4.) Most importantly, can import existing Quickbooks data so I don't > have to re-enter 3 years worth of data. > > That's really about it. I looked at Moneydance, but it doesn't seem > to be able to do itemp number 4. > > I'm not looking for free s/w (though that' certainly preferable), just > something that runs on Linux. > > Any ideas? > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com Your source. For everything. Really. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051017/cb865792/attachment.htm From rwh at visi.com Mon Oct 17 11:44:43 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Oct 17 11:47:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? In-Reply-To: <20051017102451.00004ecc@c16360> References: <20051017102451.00004ecc@c16360> Message-ID: <4353D4FB.9030205@visi.com> Crossover Office claims to run QB under Linux but only at the Bronze level. --rick http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=quickbooks&company=&medal=&date_start%5B1%5D=1&date_start%5B2%5D=1&date_start%5B0%5D=2000&date_start%5B3%5D=0&date_start%5B4%5D=00&date_end%5B1%5D=10&date_end%5B2%5D=17&date_end%5B0%5D=2005&date_end%5B3%5D=11&date_end%5B4%5D=43&search=app Josh Trutwin wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for something to replace Quickbooks. I need the basic > features: > > 1.) Can create invoices. > 2.) Can track Checking / Credit Card accounts > 3.) Can download statements from USBank > 4.) Most importantly, can import existing Quickbooks data so I don't > have to re-enter 3 years worth of data. > > That's really about it. I looked at Moneydance, but it doesn't seem > to be able to do itemp number 4. > > I'm not looking for free s/w (though that' certainly preferable), just > something that runs on Linux. > > Any ideas? > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From brockn at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 12:50:31 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon Oct 17 12:51:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Microsoft Exchange Contract Work Message-ID: <741dcbb80510171050h3a176a09r7d934a7e851e4ea@mail.gmail.com> Please reply offline... Are or have you been an Exchange Admin? My brother's school in Eagan is looking for someone to solve an SMTP issue with Exchange 2000. Pay is negotiable based on experience. Thanks Brock From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Oct 17 14:58:42 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Oct 17 14:59:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510171958.j9HJwgv25986@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 10 Compaq Deskpro EN SFF Plus Monitor 10 Compaq Deskpro EN Small Form Factor Systems with 19" monitor $150 w/ 1 year warranty. Pentium-III 1Ghz 256 Meg, 20 gig HD, CD, Floppy, Sound, built-in NIC Seller Email address: coremark at skypoint dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Oct 17 15:39:54 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Oct 17 15:41:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510172039.j9HKdsM31696@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Cambridge SoundWorks DTT2500 speakers I have some Cambridge SoundWorks Desktop Theater DTT2500 5.1 speakers that I replaced and have them just sitting around. I have all the cables, and probably all the manuals, and they still work great. $50 obo. Seller Email address: peter dot chase at epredix dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From larry.pint at ntuminc.com Tue Oct 18 09:13:51 2005 From: larry.pint at ntuminc.com (Larry Pint) Date: Tue Oct 18 09:11:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Wanted: old TTL monitor Message-ID: <4355031F.2090904@ntuminc.com> My local Middle school recently purchased some used lighting equipment for the auditorium. Included was a lighting control board. This board appears to use a TTL monitor, which did not come with the equipment purchased. Does anybody have an old TTL monitor gather dust that they would like to get rid of? Thanks, Larry Pint larry dot pint at ntuminc dot com (952) 758-3450 From jrkbiz at sihope.com Tue Oct 18 08:13:48 2005 From: jrkbiz at sihope.com (John Kuster) Date: Tue Oct 18 11:58:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? Message-ID: <20051018120425.M41644@sihope.com> GNUCash is OK, is easy to use and has excellent reports, etc. It has one drawback, however. Data is not stored in a database, it is recorded to an XML text file. That limits performance and usability. I have used Quickbooks in Linux (Red Hat 8.0) with Crossover Office. Everything worked fine except a couple of reports did not parse correctly. There is a commercial program called Quasar that runs in Linux. It has a decent interface and runs on top of Firebird. It supposedly has a retail focus. I think the best alternative is SQL-Ledger. It is a truly platform-independent open-source project developed in the LAMP stack (with PostgreSQL as the database instead of MySQL). It uses any web browser as a client. It is relatively easy to install, and easy to use. Open standards make it easy to get data in and out of the database. You can run it over a secure SSL connection. It will load on a wireless Palm LifeDrive with a web browser. The developer is excellent with support. I have gotten answers to questions on a Saturday afternoon. There are discussion groups, etc. The software is free to download, the manual and support costs $190. John Kuster -- Sihope Communications - The Twin Cities' FIRST all digital, all x2/56k ISP. Tired of Spam - Try an ISP with a solution - http://marvin.sihope.com From duff0097 at umn.edu Tue Oct 18 16:04:32 2005 From: duff0097 at umn.edu (Bryan J Duff) Date: Tue Oct 18 16:05:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? Message-ID: <200510182104.j9IL4Whp014667@saturn.software.umn.edu> >From the GNUCash feature list (at the very bottom): "Multi-User SQL Support Multiple users can now simultaneously access and update GnuCash data stored in a Postgres SQL backend. Postgres must be installed and configured to use this option." Haven't tried it, but it says it's there. -Bryan On 18 Oct 2005, John Kuster wrote: > GNUCash is OK, is easy to use and has excellent reports, etc. It has one > drawback, however. Data is not stored in a database, it is recorded to an > XML > text file. That limits performance and usability. > > I have used Quickbooks in Linux (Red Hat 8.0) with Crossover Office. > Everything worked fine except a couple of reports did not parse correctly. > > There is a commercial program called Quasar that runs in Linux. It has a > decent interface and runs on top of Firebird. It supposedly has a retail > focus. > > I think the best alternative is SQL-Ledger. It is a truly > platform-independent open-source project developed in the LAMP stack (with > PostgreSQL as the database instead of MySQL). It uses any web browser as a > client. > > It is relatively easy to install, and easy to use. Open standards make it > easy to get data in and out of the database. You can run it over a secure > SSL > connection. It will load on a wireless Palm LifeDrive with a web browser. > > The developer is excellent with support. I have gotten answers to questions > on a Saturday afternoon. There are discussion groups, etc. The software is > free to download, the manual and support costs $190. > > John Kuster > > -- > Sihope Communications - The Twin Cities' FIRST all digital, all x2/56k ISP. > Tired of Spam - Try an ISP with a solution - http://marvin.sihope.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at greatlakedata.com Wed Oct 19 15:07:59 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Wed Oct 19 15:11:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? Message-ID: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> hi tcluggers, we'd like to put video up on our website. but of course if we ever mentioned it in our newsletter to our 14000 e-subscribers, i' quite sure our bandwidth couldn't cope. i wonder if any of you folk have connections in/with a benevolent institution like perhaps a university that might just see Nonviolent Peaceforce as a worthy organization to support by hosting video for us? could i/we offer anything in return? i dunno, trade stories maybe? possibly even some money, the director is asking, so.. greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator http://NonviolentPeaceforce.org From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 15:20:04 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed Oct 19 15:23:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: On 10/19/05, greg wm wrote: > hi tcluggers, > > we'd like to put video up on our website. but of course if we ever > mentioned it in our newsletter to our 14000 e-subscribers, i' quite sure > our bandwidth couldn't cope. How savvy are your subscibers? Seems like this would be a good use of bittorrent. Get several (~10) core people to seed the torrent from their home broadband connections and then send a link out in your newsletter to a page on your website explaining how to install bittorrent and how to start downloading the video. From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Oct 19 15:45:29 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Wed Oct 19 15:45:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> Erik Anderson wrote: > How savvy are your subscibers? Seems like this would be a good use > of bittorrent. Get several (~10) core people to seed the torrent > from their home broadband connections and then send a link out in > your newsletter to a page on your website explaining how to install > bittorrent and how to start downloading the video. +1!!! This is EXACTLY what bittorrent was designed to do. Serve large files on limited bandwidth. From wnpauls2 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 19 19:37:28 2005 From: wnpauls2 at yahoo.com (Paul Schumacher) Date: Wed Oct 19 19:37:48 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vmware question Message-ID: <20051020003728.13925.qmail@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone used vmware workstation 5 (windows version) with Fedora Core 4? Any comments, opinions, help, etc will be appreciated. thanks, Paul __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From sfertch at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 20:39:58 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Wed Oct 19 20:41:48 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vmware question In-Reply-To: <20051020003728.13925.qmail@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051020003728.13925.qmail@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a0510191839g75a57387w98ea13f90955e312@mail.gmail.com> On 10/19/05, Paul Schumacher wrote: > > Has anyone used vmware workstation 5 (windows version) > with Fedora Core 4? > > Any comments, opinions, help, etc will be appreciated. > > thanks, > > Paul What issues are you running into? I've used it, but don't like it... -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Running Linux under XP seems to work reasonably well but I've run into problems running Windows under Linux that seem to be related to underlying driver issues on the Linux side. --rick Paul Schumacher wrote: >Has anyone used vmware workstation 5 (windows version) >with Fedora Core 4? > >Any comments, opinions, help, etc will be appreciated. > >thanks, > >Paul > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Music Unlimited >Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From sfertch at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 21:42:29 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Wed Oct 19 21:44:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vmware question In-Reply-To: <4356FDBC.4040604@visi.com> References: <20051020003728.13925.qmail@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> <4356FDBC.4040604@visi.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a0510191942o5f56c556wb47d8caf94d3d19f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/19/05, rwh wrote: > > I tired it with VM 4.5 and FC3 and it was annoyingly slow even with > 750MB of RAM devoted to the FC partition. I did a few searches and it > seems there were some tweaks to the kernel scheduler used in FC3 that > had some interaction issues. I was going to take VM 4 off my system but > just for yucks I popped in the install disk for Ubuntu and it works like > a charm. > > I've since upgraded to VM 5 but never bothered to try another Fedora > install. Running Linux under XP seems to work reasonably well but I've > run into problems running Windows under Linux that seem to be related to > underlying driver issues on the Linux side. > There was also a relatively decent performance tweak within VMWare between 4.x and 5. I rarely use VMWare on Windows, but use it fairly often on my Slackware system to host Windows and other linux distros. I don't use sound, as I shut it off within the instance. Aside from that, I haven't had any issues. If you're having problems, make sure you're loading the VM tools within each instance. Fedora will run on VMWare, as well as be the host OS for VM instances with very few problems. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051019/744baaca/attachment.htm From swaite at sbn-services.com Wed Oct 19 23:09:10 2005 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Wed Oct 19 23:09:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] vmware question In-Reply-To: <20051020003728.13925.qmail@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051020003728.13925.qmail@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just today I had to wipe out an installation I had done of Fedora Core 4 on VMWare 5. I have never been able to get Fedora properly installed on a VMware machine except for one instance. The installation on my laptop works just fine. Otherwise the installations on other machine tend to break down. Foremost problems I have are kernal panic errors. If it does manage to load it is abnormaly slow to the point it is unusable. All installations were on various Windows OSes. Just today when I tried to load the VM machine it sucked up all my CPU for a long time. When I eventually looked at the screen it had just displayed the interactive service menu option. I do have VMWare running on Suse and am considering installing Fedora this weekend there to just see what happens, although I do not believe there should be much of a difference between the Linux version and the Windows. Strange thing Fedora having problems on VMware. I use VM for installing and running a multitude of different OSes, from Solaris to NT 4. Never once have I ever encountered a serious problem with an OS. The most common problem I have is if I have the hard drive as a SCSI, a lot of Linux distribs tend to not like that, so I use the IDE drive option. If you do find a tip or tweak we can use please let us know, I would really like to get Fedora going on this one certain pc. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schumacher To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] vmware question > Has anyone used vmware workstation 5 (windows version) > with Fedora Core 4? > > Any comments, opinions, help, etc will be appreciated. > > thanks, > > Paul > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scotjenkins at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 04:02:39 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Thu Oct 20 04:03:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: vmware question In-Reply-To: References: <20051020003728.13925.qmail@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm successfully running Debian stable (sarge) under VMware 4.5. Host system: WinXP SP2, 3.2Ghz CPU, 1G RAM. I selected the IDE drive option when creating the VMware disk image and allocated 384M RAM to the virtual machine. I'm using the latest stock 2.4.27-686 kernel for Debian. I've had a few segfaults and total lockups of the virtual machine, but I think they are sound related. I use xmms and mpg123 to play mp3's on Debian. It seems to work fine unless I want to skip to another song or start/stop songs frequently. Otherwise I'm happy with the performance. Browsing the web using Mozilla under Linux (running under VMware) seems faster than IE on the native XP install. I'm stuck with WinXP on my system at work and Linux under VMware is better than no Linux at all. Now I run Outlook and VMware natively and everything else I do from within the virtual Linux system. Life is good again. :) You definitely want to install the vmware-tools after you've installed your virutal OS. It has a nice feature that lets you mount a directory from your native OS under the virtual machine for file sharing. I originally tried bochs [1]. While bochs worked, the virtual machine ran much slower than VMware. The bochs binary for Window also has a timing issue where the clock on the virutual machine runs incredibly fast. It's literally days ahead just minutes after booting. This made the system useless if you want to use make(1), cron, or any other applications that depend on the system clock. There is a compile option that supposedly fixes this but I didn't have the time or bandwidth to rebuild bochs under WinXP. bochs is still pretty amazing and definitely worth a look. [1] http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ Scot On 10/19/05, Sean Waite wrote: > Just today I had to wipe out an installation I had done of Fedora Core 4 on > VMWare 5. I have never been able to get Fedora properly installed on a > VMware > machine except for one instance. The installation on my laptop works just > fine. > Otherwise the installations on other machine tend to break down. Foremost > problems I have are kernal panic errors. > > If it does manage to load it is abnormaly slow to the point it is unusable. > All > installations were on various Windows OSes. Just today when I tried to load > the > VM machine it sucked up all my CPU for a long time. When I eventually looked > at > the screen it had just displayed the interactive service menu option. I do > have > VMWare running on Suse and am considering installing Fedora this weekend > there > to just see what happens, although I do not believe there should be much of > a > difference between the Linux version and the Windows. > > Strange thing Fedora having problems on VMware. I use VM for installing and > running a multitude of different OSes, from Solaris to NT 4. Never once have > I > ever encountered a serious problem with an OS. The most common problem I > have is > if I have the hard drive as a SCSI, a lot of Linux distribs tend to not > like > that, so I use the IDE drive option. > > If you do find a tip or tweak we can use please let us know, I would really > like > to get Fedora going on this one certain pc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Schumacher > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:37:28 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [tclug-list] vmware question > > > Has anyone used vmware workstation 5 (windows version) > > with Fedora Core 4? > > > > Any comments, opinions, help, etc will be appreciated. > > > > thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tmarble at info9.net Thu Oct 20 07:53:03 2005 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Thu Oct 20 07:54:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: vmware question In-Reply-To: References: <20051020003728.13925.qmail@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4357932F.3010909@info9.net> Scot Jenkins wrote: > I originally tried bochs [1]. While bochs worked, the virtual machine > ran much slower than VMware. Another alternative is QEMU (it hasn't been mentioned on this list since May 2004): http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-accel.html It is easily several *times* faster than bochs -- especially with the acceleration (which, unfortunately, is not GPL). HTH, --Tom From jack at jacku.com Thu Oct 20 10:28:39 2005 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Thu Oct 20 10:30:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: vmware question In-Reply-To: <4357932F.3010909@info9.net> References: <20051020003728.13925.qmail@web60014.mail.yahoo.com> <4357932F.3010909@info9.net> Message-ID: <38216.66.41.169.53.1129822119.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> On Thu, October 20, 2005 7:53 am, Tom Marble wrote: > Scot Jenkins wrote: >> I originally tried bochs [1]. While bochs worked, the virtual machine >> ran much slower than VMware. > > Another alternative is QEMU (it hasn't been mentioned on this list > since May 2004): > > http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-accel.html > > It is easily several *times* faster than bochs -- especially > with the acceleration (which, unfortunately, is not GPL). > I'm going the other way right now with QEMU using it under Windows to run Linux for a class I'm teaching. It allows me access to the schools network and no modification of the system and I can run Linux. I've got RH9 (the class uses a book based on it) and SuSE 9.3 currently setup on a USB harddrive with Qemu on the drive as well. I'll be adding Fedora Core 4 and probably one of the K/Ubuntu versions in the near future as well. One thing I've noticed is that you need to increase the emulators memory level from the base 128Mb if you want current, bulky desktops (KDE 3.4 in SuSE 9.3's case) to work with any usability. I've found that if I can give the emulator 192Mb of RAM it works for SuSE. DSL, which i've run from an iso file works just fine in 128Mb of RAM. ;-) The next step is to run Qemu under Linux and see how well Windows works in the emulator. Jack -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack@jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From christophermsmith at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 10:43:16 2005 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Thu Oct 20 10:44:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: vmware question In-Reply-To: <38216.66.41.169.53.1129822119.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> Message-ID: <4357bb13.08513f37.2df2.5e00@mx.gmail.com> I'm using Vmware 5 running under Fedora Core 4 to host XP Pro when I need it. Its very fast, and has come a long way in regards to resizing the guest window or going back and forth from full screen. Great product. I'm running it on a Lat D810 2.13ghz with 1gig of RAM. Chris Smith -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jack Ungerleider Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:29 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Re: vmware question On Thu, October 20, 2005 7:53 am, Tom Marble wrote: > Scot Jenkins wrote: >> I originally tried bochs [1]. While bochs worked, the virtual >> machine ran much slower than VMware. > > Another alternative is QEMU (it hasn't been mentioned on this list > since May 2004): > > http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-accel.html > > It is easily several *times* faster than bochs -- especially with the > acceleration (which, unfortunately, is not GPL). > I'm going the other way right now with QEMU using it under Windows to run Linux for a class I'm teaching. It allows me access to the schools network and no modification of the system and I can run Linux. I've got RH9 (the class uses a book based on it) and SuSE 9.3 currently setup on a USB harddrive with Qemu on the drive as well. I'll be adding Fedora Core 4 and probably one of the K/Ubuntu versions in the near future as well. One thing I've noticed is that you need to increase the emulators memory level from the base 128Mb if you want current, bulky desktops (KDE 3.4 in SuSE 9.3's case) to work with any usability. I've found that if I can give the emulator 192Mb of RAM it works for SuSE. DSL, which i've run from an iso file works just fine in 128Mb of RAM. ;-) The next step is to run Qemu under Linux and see how well Windows works in the emulator. Jack -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group jack@jacku.com http://www.jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From donatella.debian at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 18:30:19 2005 From: donatella.debian at gmail.com (Donatella) Date: Thu Oct 20 18:32:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Hi! I'm new Message-ID: <4b2d92c20510201630v5f00c740x125dcf83b5840e9@mail.gmail.com> Hi TCLUG!! I just found out about this group and I subscribed right away!! I thought I was alone on this! I was just reading that you are planning an installfest soon. I'm looking forward to it, cause I'm having problems to get debian in my new box and I miss it a lot! I don't think I can survive using live cd's anymore. Well...I guess I'll get yo know you trough this list and I hope to contribute with my very little but proud newbie knowledge. yours, Tatiana. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051020/72a997e3/attachment.htm From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Oct 20 22:56:35 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Thu Oct 20 23:02:12 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Hi! I'm new In-Reply-To: <4b2d92c20510201630v5f00c740x125dcf83b5840e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b2d92c20510201630v5f00c740x125dcf83b5840e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051020225635.00005f9c@beethoven> On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:30:19 -0500 Donatella wrote: > Hi TCLUG!! > > I just found out about this group and I subscribed right away!! I > thought I was alone on this! Welcome to the list, I've found this to be an excellent resource for Linux issues, good luck. Josh From brockn at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 23:21:24 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Thu Oct 20 23:22:13 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Hi! I'm new In-Reply-To: <20051020225635.00005f9c@beethoven> References: <4b2d92c20510201630v5f00c740x125dcf83b5840e9@mail.gmail.com> <20051020225635.00005f9c@beethoven> Message-ID: <741dcbb80510202121g6013c7efwd02626fb418ca347@mail.gmail.com> Welcome! On 10/20/05, Josh Trutwin wrote: > On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:30:19 -0500 > Donatella wrote: > > > Hi TCLUG!! > > > > I just found out about this group and I subscribed right away!! I > > thought I was alone on this! > > Welcome to the list, I've found this to be an excellent resource for > Linux issues, good luck. > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rwh at visi.com Fri Oct 21 08:53:37 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Fri Oct 21 08:54:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] VMWare In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20050920164306.03c9d018@127.0.0.1> References: <1127244500.15039.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1127244500.15039.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3.0.5.32.20050920164306.03c9d018@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <4358F2E1.2010800@visi.com> There is an article on Slashdot about VMWare releasing a free "VM Player" that lets you use VM images created with one of their other products (Workstation, ESX, GSX) on any machine running the player. One of the downloadable examples is a VM image providing basic communication tools (Firefox, Thunderbird, Gaim, etc.) that effectively keeps those services inside a sandbox. The player is available at http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ but the site is pretty slow this morning. --rick From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Oct 21 09:09:48 2005 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Fri Oct 21 09:12:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] VMWare In-Reply-To: <4358F2E1.2010800@visi.com> References: <1127244500.15039.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1127244500.15039.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3.0.5.32.20050920164306.03c9d018@127.0.0.1> <4358F2E1.2010800@visi.com> Message-ID: <20051021140948.GA18450@fireopal.org> On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 08:53:37AM -0500, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > There is an article on Slashdot about VMWare releasing a free "VM > Player" that lets you use VM images created with one of their other > products (Workstation, ESX, GSX) on any machine running the player. One > of the downloadable examples is a VM image providing basic communication > tools (Firefox, Thunderbird, Gaim, etc.) that effectively keeps those > services inside a sandbox. > > The player is available at http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ but > the site is pretty slow this morning. I'm on VMWare's mailing list - I just got an announcement about it this morning. Maybe I'll wait to grab a copy until next week. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Oct 21 13:27:06 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Oct 21 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510211827.j9LIR6S21584@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: ATI Radeon 9550 256 MB, AGP, make an offer. 6 mo old or so, pulled 2 mo ago and has been sitting in anti-static. Still have the box. Seller Email address: evisuale at yahoo dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Oct 21 13:54:36 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Oct 21 13:56:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510211854.j9LIsaC24258@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want for Free Subject: Old pc at least 400 mhz I'm looking for an old pc of at least 400 Mhz. The only requirements are an ISA slot that I can put my linux compatible modem into, and enough HD space to install a reasonable linux distro. I'm currently using an old 300 Mhz pc that I have - but the environment it needs to run in is very unfriendly to a pc's life span, and it is failing. Thanks, Dan Seller Email address: daniel dot armbrust dot list at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From sfertch at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 15:09:27 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Fri Oct 21 15:10:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Thoughts on an OS backup solution Message-ID: <67f3084a0510211309g56a6e397keb33d6eeb8207615@mail.gmail.com> I've been working on an OS backup script off and on for a little while, but have as of yet come up with a good solution that can fit as universally across all Linux systems in house. I've gotten to the point where I need to get it done, tested and put into production over the next couple of days. Any help or guidance on this would be beneficial. Scenario: Roughly 20 linux systems, most are RHELv3 with ext3 filesystems. However, there are also systems that are Debian, SuSe, Slackware, etc., or don't use ext2/3 but other filesystems such as reiserfs or xfs. We do use Tivoli Storage Manager for our nightly incrementals. Most systems have a partitioning scheme similar to the following: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux /dev/hda2 14 274 2096482+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda3 275 372 787185 83 Linux /dev/hda4 373 4865 36090022+ 8e Linux LVM With a filesystem layout similar to: /dev/sda3 495908 302673 167632 65% / /dev/sda1 100692 46883 48610 50% /boot none 1282920 0 1282920 0% /dev/shm /dev/vg00/lvol1 4285712 3167820 900192 78% /usr /dev/vg00/lvol2 1007896 17492 939204 2% /tmp /dev/vg00/lvol3 2015824 1568220 345204 82% /var /dev/vg00/lvol4 2519632 826072 1591160 35% /opt /dev/vg00/lvol5 2015824 1358488 554936 71% /home /dev/vg00/lvol6 2015824 1568220 345204 82% /data There are additional filesystems that are primarily on other volume groups that I haven't listed. Those are mostly irrelevant so I've omitted the information. Goal: I'm looking to create a script that will backup what I consider the primary OS filesystems to a filesystem on a remote server while ignoring the other filesystems and virtual systems such as /proc. The filesystems I'm considering to backup are: / /boot /usr /var /opt /tmp /home (if small enough, otherwise restore from incremental) To restore, I would boot off of a live distro such as Knoppix, Slax, or similar and recreate the partions on the HDD (if necessary), then begin to restore the files across the network to either the same size drive or larger. At first, I was looking at utilities such as tar or dump. However, these to me, seem to have limitations preventing me from doing what I'm after given the partitioning scheme and using LVM. I believe dd might be my best option, but I'm not sure if that would be the best route as I don't want to pull empty disk space or bad sectors that typically come with using dd. I've done a fair amount of googling, and reading various sources about this. However, most only deal with physical or logical partitions being the filesystems instead of LVM. Typically, these only cover using tar or dump and do not address how to restore on LVM filesystems. However, if I use dd to do the partitions, I would be taking everything on the disk including non-essential filesystems and blank diskspace wouldn't I? Am I stuck just using dd and taking all filesystems on the root/OS disk, or is there something that I'm not aware of? Again, any thoughts or suggestions on this would be quite appreciated. Thanks! -- -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051021/029ae016/attachment.htm From scotjenkins at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 15:48:02 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Fri Oct 21 15:49:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Thoughts on an OS backup solution In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0510211309g56a6e397keb33d6eeb8207615@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0510211309g56a6e397keb33d6eeb8207615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/21/05, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > > I've been working on an OS backup script off and on for a little while, but > have as of yet come up with a good solution that can fit as universally > across all Linux systems in house. I've gotten to the point where I need to > get it done, tested and put into production over the next couple of days. > Any help or guidance on this would be beneficial. tar is probably going to be the most portable and is not filesystem specific. If you currently have an ext3 filesystem and later decide to move to xfs or reiserfs, tar will allow you to do that. dump on the other hand will not. There are supposedly corruption issues with ext3 and dump with the 2.4 kernels. http://dump.sourceforge.net/isdumpdeprecated.html That said, I've used both tar and dump for years without problems, and I have restored a number of systems due to failed drives. I run a full (dump level 0 once/wk) and partials (dump level 1) the other 6 days of the week. I dump to an NFS mounted partition and that goes to tape once/wk. It works well for me. Make sure you have statically linked versions of whatever program you need to restore your backups: restore(1), tar(1), etc. Otherwise you're the media you boot off of to do the restore will need to contain the required libraries. RH used to have a separate package that contained a statically linked version of /sbin/restore (dump-static, I think it was called). Debian stable ships a dynamically linked version of dump/restore so it's an issue on that OS. /tmp by nature, is "temporary" so you might choose not to back that up. Just make sure you inform your users of that if you decide NOT to back it up. Scot From sfertch at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 15:56:22 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Fri Oct 21 15:56:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Thoughts on an OS backup solution In-Reply-To: References: <67f3084a0510211309g56a6e397keb33d6eeb8207615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a0510211356m3629613ax361e188d0b7d1549@mail.gmail.com> On 10/21/05, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > > tar is probably going to be the most portable and is not filesystem > specific. If you currently have an ext3 filesystem and later decide > to move to xfs or reiserfs, tar will allow you to do that. dump on > the other hand will not. There are supposedly corruption issues with > ext3 and dump with the 2.4 kernels. > > http://dump.sourceforge.net/isdumpdeprecated.html > > That said, I've used both tar and dump for years without problems, and > I have restored a number of systems due to failed drives. I run a > full (dump level 0 once/wk) and partials (dump level 1) the other 6 > days of the week. I dump to an NFS mounted partition and that goes to > tape once/wk. It works well for me. > > Make sure you have statically linked versions of whatever program you > need to restore your backups: restore(1), tar(1), etc. Otherwise > you're the media you boot off of to do the restore will need to > contain the required libraries. RH used to have a separate package > that contained a statically linked version of /sbin/restore > (dump-static, I think it was called). Debian stable ships a > dynamically linked version of dump/restore so it's an issue on that > OS. > > /tmp by nature, is "temporary" so you might choose not to back that > up. Just make sure you inform your users of that if you decide NOT to > back it up. What are your filesystems like? Is each one a physical or logical partition of a drive instead of an lvm controlled filesystem within a volume group? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051021/3b0fdb19/attachment.htm From thecubic at thecubic.net Fri Oct 21 16:41:38 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Fri Oct 21 16:45:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Thoughts on an OS backup solution In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0510211309g56a6e397keb33d6eeb8207615@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a0510211309g56a6e397keb33d6eeb8207615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200510211641.41701.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Friday 21 October 2005 15:09, Shawn Fertch wrote: > At first, I was looking at utilities such as tar or dump. However, these > to me, seem to have limitations preventing me from doing what I'm after > given the partitioning scheme and using LVM. I believe dd might be my best > option, but I'm not sure if that would be the best route as I don't want to > pull empty disk space or bad sectors that typically come with using dd. > > I've done a fair amount of googling, and reading various sources about > this. However, most only deal with physical or logical partitions being the > filesystems instead of LVM. Typically, these only cover using tar or dump > and do not address how to restore on LVM filesystems. However, if I use dd > to do the partitions, I would be taking everything on the disk including > non-essential filesystems and blank diskspace wouldn't I? With LVM it seems like there's always some undocumented, obscure tool or switch that does what you want... If you have vgcfgbackup/vgcfgrestore on those machines (that may be LVM2 specific), that's the preferred way to back up the LVM metadata. If you also back up the partition table (sfdisk is great for that), you can get your structure back very quickly. The rest could potentially be done with mkfs.*, mkswap, and tar, or even dd if you need to cut some corners. Given that you have so many different filesystems, dump won't really help you at all. You could also set up an Amanda solution for providing the data backup (it might be a little overkill) - but it doesn't sound like you have the time left to do that... Dave Carlson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Seller Email address: godzillapinhole at yahoo dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Oct 21 17:57:01 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Oct 21 17:58:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510212257.j9LMv1930721@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Protec 8port KVM (ps2) $100 8ports with audio (noisey) and mic. Great condition, used little. Includes six cables, a/c adapter, and remote control. Seller Email address: godzillapinhole at yahoo dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From jimdscott at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 18:22:59 2005 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Fri Oct 21 18:24:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Second hard drive question Message-ID: I just installed a second hard drive. For now I'm mounting it as /mnt/drive2. Everything is working fine. I'd rather mount it as /usr or /home, but I'm worried about what will happen to my existing data in those paths if suddenly mount the new drive at either of those points. Thanks for any advice. Here's my current config: /etc/fstab: # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda1 /windows vfat users 0 0 /dev/hdd2 /mnt/drive2 ext2 defaults 1 1 /dev/hdd1 /mnt/D vfat umask=000,rw 0 0 First hard drive Disk geometry for /dev/hda: 0.000-12419.056 megabytes Disk label type: msdos Minor Start End Type Filesystem Flags 1 0.031 5812.580 primary fat32 boot 2 5812.581 5914.555 primary ext3 3 5914.556 12417.429 primary lvm Second hard drive Disk geometry for /dev/hdd: 0.000-78167.250 megabytes Disk label type: msdos Minor Start End Type Filesystem Flags 1 0.031 39997.771 primary fat32 2 39997.771 78159.990 primary ext2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051021/3d377246/attachment.htm From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 18:38:53 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri Oct 21 18:40:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Thoughts on an OS backup solution In-Reply-To: <200510211641.41701.thecubic@thecubic.net> References: <67f3084a0510211309g56a6e397keb33d6eeb8207615@mail.gmail.com> <200510211641.41701.thecubic@thecubic.net> Message-ID: How about using gpart (or a similar tool) to save the partition information? -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue >0; 0 rows returned From erikerik at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 20:54:53 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri Oct 21 20:56:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Second hard drive question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/21/05, jim scott wrote: > I just installed a second hard drive. For now I'm mounting it as > /mnt/drive2. Everything is working fine. I'd rather mount it as /usr or > /home, but I'm worried about what will happen to my existing data in those > paths if suddenly mount the new drive at either of those points. Thanks for > any advice. > > Here's my current config: > /etc/fstab: > # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/hda1 /windows vfat users 0 0 > /dev/hdd2 /mnt/drive2 ext2 defaults 1 1 > /dev/hdd1 /mnt/D vfat umask=000,rw 0 0 > > First hard drive > Disk geometry for /dev/hda: 0.000-12419.056 megabytes > Disk label type: msdos > Minor Start End Type Filesystem Flags > 1 0.031 5812.580 primary fat32 boot > 2 5812.581 5914.555 primary ext3 > 3 5914.556 12417.429 primary lvm > > > Second hard drive > Disk geometry for /dev/hdd: 0.000-78167.250 megabytes > Disk label type: msdos > Minor Start End Type Filesystem Flags > 1 0.031 39997.771 primary fat32 > 2 39997.771 78159.990 primary ext2 Jim - this isn't hard to do at all - I've done it several times w/ very few problems. For purposes of this example, let's assume that you're going to be moving /home to the new drive. 1. You have the new drive mounted as /mnt/drive2 currently, right? Make sure there's no data on it that you need and then wipe the partition clean. 2. Run this command: $ rsync -av /home/ /mnt/drive2/ Make sure you run that *exact* command, including the trailing slashes, otherwise rsync will do funky stuff with your files. If you're not familiar with rsync, it's (more or less) an effecient copy routine. If an rsync gets interrupted for some reason, you can just run it again and it'll pick up where it left off. 3. After you get everything copied over, verify that, indeed, all the data is there, and that is has the correct ownership/mode/etc. The "-a" flag of rsync copies in "archive" mode, and it is supposed to transfer all of that information over. It never hurts to double-check, though. 4. After verifying this info, you can delete the data in your original /home : $ cd /home $ rm -rf * If it makes you feel better, and you don't have a huge amount of data in home you may want to make a second "backup" of the folder: $ cd / $ tar cvzf /tmp/home-backup.tar.gz /home 5. Now, once your original /home is empty, unmount your second drive and remount it as /home: $ umount /mnt/drive2 $ mount /dev/hdd2 /home 6. Now you need to make the changes to your fstab file...you should delete the current line that includes /dev/hdd2 and then add a line like this: /dev/hdd2 /home ext2 noatime 0 2 That should be about it. Good luck! -Erik From iipreca at hotmail.com Fri Oct 21 21:11:12 2005 From: iipreca at hotmail.com (J G) Date: Fri Oct 21 21:12:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Net Conectivity Message-ID: Guys I am a new user to Linux (windoze can take a hike) have an older system with a D Link NIC and I am running Red Hat Fedora Core 4 which I got from the DVD that came with Red Hate Fedora and Enterprise Linux 4 Bible which I did a full install from, so everything is installed. I have satellite internet and a Linksys WRT54G router which I have plugged into the system. I am using KDE as my desktop and the system can't get onto the internet. I installed the NIC and its all there, when I attempt to activate it in Network Configuration I get an error that says "Determining IP information for eth0...dhclient(1543) is already running -exiting. exiting. failed." and thats the end of it, now I whipped out the book and started reading the network troubleshooting section and it mentions that if the the dhcp server is running it wont work very nicely with a dhcp router? I'm fairly new to networking, but I understand the basics really well, can anyone help me out? from what I can tell from the system the dhcp server isn't running and doesnt start with boot, which it shouldent from a fresh install right? any help is appreciated. Zed iipreca@hotmail.com From kc0iog at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 21:37:07 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Fri Oct 21 21:38:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Second hard drive question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c6699da0510211937x29e85c1dt74fca704e8e6e49f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/21/05, Erik Anderson wrote: > $ rsync -av /home/ /mnt/drive2/ Good tip, I usually use cp -av. I'll have to try rsync, that would've saved me some time. > 4. After verifying this info, you can delete the data in your original /home : Why? if you're really paranoid, you can mount the new partition on /home, even if it's not empty. That way you can test things without deleting any files. Of course once it looks good, you'll want to delet the files off the original drive to reclaim some space. As Eric pointed out, this is a safe, routine procedure. Good luck to you! -Brian From erikerik at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 22:48:30 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri Oct 21 22:50:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Second hard drive question In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0510211937x29e85c1dt74fca704e8e6e49f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da0510211937x29e85c1dt74fca704e8e6e49f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/21/05, Brian Wall wrote: > > 4. After verifying this info, you can delete the data in your original /home : > > Why? if you're really paranoid, you can mount the new partition on > /home, even if it's not empty. That way you can test things without > deleting any files. Of course once it looks good, you'll want to > delet the files off the original drive to reclaim some space. Yes you're right. I tend to err on the side of paranoia - maybe I need to take off my "data loss" tinfoil hat more often. ;-) From erikerik at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 22:51:17 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri Oct 21 22:53:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Net Conectivity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/21/05, J G wrote: > Guys > I am a new user to Linux (windoze can take a hike) have an older system > with a D Link NIC and I am running Red Hat Fedora Core 4 which I got from > the DVD that came with Red Hate Fedora and Enterprise Linux 4 Bible which I > did a full install from, so everything is installed. I have satellite > internet and a Linksys WRT54G router which I have plugged into the system. I > am using KDE as my desktop and the system can't get onto the internet. I > installed the NIC and its all there, when I attempt to activate it in > Network Configuration I get an error that says "Determining IP information > for eth0...dhclient(1543) is already running -exiting. exiting. failed." and > thats the end of it, now I whipped out the book and started reading the > network troubleshooting section and it mentions that if the the dhcp server > is running it wont work very nicely with a dhcp router? I'm fairly new to > networking, but I understand the basics really well, can anyone help me out? > from what I can tell from the system the dhcp server isn't running and > doesnt start with boot, which it shouldent from a fresh install right? any > help is appreciated. Hiya Zed. Are you sure that your network card has been detected correctly? Can you run the following two commands and reply with their output? $ ifconfig and $ lsmod -Erik From tclug at greatlakedata.com Sun Oct 23 14:25:56 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sun Oct 23 14:27:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> Chad Walstrom wrote: > Erik Anderson wrote: >>How savvy are your subscibers? Seems like this would be a good use >>of bittorrent. Get several (~10) core people to seed the torrent >>from their home broadband connections and then send a link out in >>your newsletter to a page on your website explaining how to install >>bittorrent and how to start downloading the video. > > +1!!! This is EXACTLY what bittorrent was designed to do. Serve > large files on limited bandwidth. i would truly love to be part of a bittorrent-like open source video solution. for it to be approachable for our audience, it will need to be click-and-play. i can visualize it. but probably the packaging still needs a bit of development.. Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From tclug at greatlakedata.com Sun Oct 23 15:12:31 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sun Oct 23 15:13:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? In-Reply-To: <20051018120425.M41644@sihope.com> References: <20051018120425.M41644@sihope.com> Message-ID: <435BEEAF.1080708@greatlakedata.com> how about reports that are exportable to a spreadsheet? what finance programs can do that? Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Oct 23 16:06:20 2005 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sun Oct 23 16:07:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? In-Reply-To: <435BEEAF.1080708@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: A good "report" will not be in a spreadsheet form. It will allow having a mix of display formats and formatted text, just as a publisher progrsm does. Looking for primary export to be spreadsheet format assures a junior-scale program for reporting. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of greg wm > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 3:13 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? > > > how about reports that are exportable to a spreadsheet? > what finance programs can do that? > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Oct 23 20:30:17 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sun Oct 23 20:31:12 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510240130.j9O1UHW26593@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: [Wanted] Tape Backup Device I am looking for a tape backup device, scsi or ide, but dont want to pay an arm and leg for it. I'll be backing up around 500 gigs of data. If anyone has anything like this that they are looking to get rid of, i'd be interested in purchasing it! Thanks, Andy ajs@cems.umn.edu Seller Email address: ajs at cems dot umn dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 21:14:50 2005 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan) Date: Sun Oct 23 21:15:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? In-Reply-To: References: <435BEEAF.1080708@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <307a337f0510231914ld4a36d7yb83769f503d70542@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, Chuck Cole wrote: > A good "report" will not be in a spreadsheet form. It will allow having a mix of display formats and formatted text, just as a > publisher progrsm does. Looking for primary export to be spreadsheet format assures a junior-scale program for reporting. Unless I'm wrong, I took Greg to mean the report would export to a spreadsheet, not that the report was a spreadsheet. From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 21:21:21 2005 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan) Date: Sun Oct 23 21:23:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? In-Reply-To: <20051018120425.M41644@sihope.com> References: <20051018120425.M41644@sihope.com> Message-ID: <307a337f0510231921n7ec73fd5q6745dec3a25e7973@mail.gmail.com> >From the August 2005 issue of LinuxWorld Magazine: The ones the article mentioned were SQL Ledger, GnuCash, Aria, From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Oct 23 22:35:27 2005 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sun Oct 23 22:37:12 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? In-Reply-To: <307a337f0510231914ld4a36d7yb83769f503d70542@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ryan > > On 10/23/05, Chuck Cole wrote: > > A good "report" will not be in a spreadsheet form. It will allow having a mix of display formats and formatted text, just as a > > publisher progrsm does. Looking for primary export to be spreadsheet format assures a junior-scale program for reporting. > > Unless I'm wrong, I took Greg to mean the report would export to a > spreadsheet, not that the report was a spreadsheet. How is that different? "to a spreadsheet" implies to me rows, columns, and cells format the same as being a spreadsheet. A report in my experience is more like a mailmerge document with tables, pie charts, database extracts, and spreadsheets imported to the report or embedded within it. The report is the superset of formats, etc, and spreadsheet is only one subset type. Chuck From harv.nelson at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 11:15:11 2005 From: harv.nelson at gmail.com (Harv Nelson) Date: Sun Oct 23 23:56:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OCR Software? Message-ID: <6a470a5f0510200915n20a442b9v66e00d64f19d6dab@mail.gmail.com> Good Morning, Anyone care to reccommend their favorite OCR software? I'm using Kooka as a scanning program with an older HP scanner. I've tried "gocr" and "ocrad" ... the results are less than favorable. I'm looking for something with an error rate of less than 10 per 1000 charaters. The documents I'm scanning are Xerox copies. They are clean and crisp, with few speckels and no gray spots. I've been scanning them as "lineart" at 300 dpi. Thanks Harv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051020/c1fead61/attachment.htm From stutterstutt at comcast.net Mon Oct 24 03:10:33 2005 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon Oct 24 03:11:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Can't talk to USR Modem using Ubuntu 'hoary' release Message-ID: <435C96F9.1040605@comcast.net> I've got a Dell Optiplex GX1 running the ubuntu hoary release (debian-based distro). $ uname -a Linux dcl 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Mon Oct 10 11:15:41 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux I bought a USR 56K PCI hardware modem at General Nanosystems. I can't get wvdialconf to find it. The port scan finds serial device ttyS0, ttyS1 and ttyS14. The latter is the modem device, but the autoconfiguration step at 2400, 9600 and 115200 baud fails. ... ttyS14<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud ttyS14<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud ttyS14<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up. ... $ lspci -vv says: 0000:00:0d.0 Serial controller: 5610 56K FaxModem 56K FaxModem Model 5610 (rev 01) (prog-if 02 [16550]) Subsystem: 5610 56K FaxModem USR 56k Internal Voice Modem (Model 2976) Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10 ttyS14 at I/O 0xdcd8 (irq = 10) is a 16550A ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A io scheduler noop registered io scheduler anticipatory registered io scheduler deadline registered io scheduler cfq registered ... I've read the modem HOWTO at tldp.org and I've tried using setserial to set the port, irq and uart type: $ setserial /dev/ttyS14 port 0xdcd8 irq 10 uart 16650A autoconfig but while this doesn't fail, it makes no difference. I've tried using the same port/irq as for DOS devices COM3 and COM4, with no difference (thinking that ttyS14 was way off) but that made no difference. I've tried using minicom to talk to the port directly: I can't get any response at any baud rate. Sometimes I can't cleanly exit from minicom -- the message "Resetting modem" appears, then the screen is cleared but after that no shell prompt appears. CTRL/C and CRTL/Z don't work; I have to kill the session. There are two strange notes in /var/log/messages that appear during boot. The first is about how PCI interrupts are no longer routed automatically: ... Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** PCI interrupts are no longer routed automatically. If this Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** causes a device to stop working, it is probably because the Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** driver failed to call pci_enable_device(). As a temporary Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** workaround, the "pci=routeirq" argument restores the old Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** behavior. If this argument makes the device work again, Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** please email the output of "lspci" to bjorn.helgaas@hp.com Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** so I can fix the driver. ... I haven't tried this yet. Here's the discovery of the modem in /var/log/messages: ... Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: isapnp: Card 'CS4236B' Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 54 ports, IRQ sharing enabled Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 10 Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: PCI: setting IRQ 10 as level-triggered Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:0d.0[A] -> GSI 10(level, low) -> IRQ 10 Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ttyS14 at I/O 0xdcd8 (irq = 10) is a 16550A Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A .... The second strange message in /var/log/messages is how kseriod is not stopped. .... Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: Restarting tasks...<6> Strange, kswapd0 not stopped Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: Strange, kseriod not stopped Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: done .... Output from ps confirms that kseriod is running: $ ps -eaf | egrep serio root 707 1 0 02:14 ? 00:00:00 [kseriod] I've tried using Knoppix -- it doesn't even find the PCI device. Thanks for any suggestions. -Jeff From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 09:06:07 2005 From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson) Date: Mon Oct 24 09:07:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OCR Software? In-Reply-To: <6a470a5f0510200915n20a442b9v66e00d64f19d6dab@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a470a5f0510200915n20a442b9v66e00d64f19d6dab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > I've tried "gocr" and "ocrad" ... the results are less than favorable. I'm > looking for something with an error rate of less than 10 per 1000 charaters. > I don't think you will find it. OCR that is this good is usually doing target matching, which doesn't sound like it is an option for you. What kind of error rate are you getting anyway? You might just have to bite the bullet and do a little keying for low confidence results.... leif -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051024/9822d932/attachment.htm From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 09:27:20 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Oct 24 09:29:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Can't talk to USR Modem using Ubuntu 'hoary' release In-Reply-To: <435C96F9.1040605@comcast.net> References: <435C96F9.1040605@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9d6c82530510240727m24af32e1s756a7fc88928e036@mail.gmail.com> Here is what I wrote for myself about this issue on Debian Woody. I have since moved over to Ubuntu and I thought that I updated some instructions for myself. I just can't find them. http://jrasmussen0.blogspot.com/2004/07/creating-serial-port-for-internal.html Basically, you have to configure a /dev/ttyS[1-4] device that works as a serial connection to the hardware address of your device. Setserial is the software you need to configure this, however it is not part of Ubuntu's default installation. You will need to download the deb package and manually install it with 'dpkg -i' I can't remember if there are any dependencies that have to be manually installed at the same time. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051024/df6c164f/attachment.htm From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 10:51:11 2005 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan) Date: Mon Oct 24 10:51:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternate to Quickbooks? In-Reply-To: References: <307a337f0510231914ld4a36d7yb83769f503d70542@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <307a337f0510240851w19c3cad1h196da6ff6e12d37@mail.gmail.com> On 10/23/05, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ryan > > > > On 10/23/05, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > A good "report" will not be in a spreadsheet form. It will allow having a mix of display formats and formatted text, just as a > > > publisher progrsm does. Looking for primary export to be spreadsheet format assures a junior-scale program for reporting. > > > > Unless I'm wrong, I took Greg to mean the report would export to a > > spreadsheet, not that the report was a spreadsheet. > > How is that different? "to a spreadsheet" implies to me rows, columns, and cells format the same as being a spreadsheet. > > A report in my experience is more like a mailmerge document with tables, pie charts, database extracts, and spreadsheets imported to > the report or embedded within it. The report is the superset of formats, etc, and spreadsheet is only one subset type. I agree. Some / a lot of people like to be able to spit out the raw data that makes up the report and a spreadsheet is the most useful format, especially if your data is numberic in nature. In other words, the report may look like a spread sheet or may look completely different, but has some method to export the data that makes it up into a spreadsheet. From stutterstutt at comcast.net Mon Oct 24 11:25:30 2005 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon Oct 24 11:27:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Can't talk to USR Modem using Ubuntu 'hoary' release In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530510240725p12a86ccbr6d0ea667a52be472@mail.gmail.com> References: <435C96F9.1040605@comcast.net> <9d6c82530510240725p12a86ccbr6d0ea667a52be472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435D0AFA.4060009@comcast.net> Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > Here is what I wrote for myself about this issue on Debian Woody. I > have since moved over to Ubuntu and I thought that I updated some > instructions for myself. I just can't find them. > > http://jrasmussen0.blogspot.com/2004/07/creating-serial-port-for-internal.html > > Basically, you have to configure a /dev/ttyS[1-4] device that works as > a serial connection to the hardware address of your device. Setserial > is the software you need to configure this, however it is not part of > Ubuntu's default installation. You will need to download the deb > package and manually install it with 'dpkg -i' I can't remember if > there are any dependencies that have to be manually installed at the > same time. Thanks for the pointer. I've downloaded and tried setserial as follows: $ setserial /dev/ttyS14 port 0xdcd8 irq 10 uart 16650A autoconfig which is the info given by lspci, but that doesn't help. I've tried it on ttyS14 (the device discovered at boot) and I've tried it on ttyS3 (an unused device). I have a second modem. I might give that a try. I will also try the Ubuntu 'breezy' distro. -Jeff From harv.nelson at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 09:24:27 2005 From: harv.nelson at gmail.com (Harv Nelson) Date: Mon Oct 24 12:02:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OCR Software? In-Reply-To: References: <6a470a5f0510200915n20a442b9v66e00d64f19d6dab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6a470a5f0510240724g33d6fbe8t2444121f2303e039@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the shout. I've got my current project in the box. Both "gocr" and "ocrad" had me correcting 30-40 errors per page. Neither seemed to be overly concerend with run-together words. Perhaps that is a problem with how the dictionary is used by those programs. I ran the ocr results through Open Office one more time and that seemd to clean up most of the stuff. You'd never be able be able to use these programs to do automated forms processing. It'd require too much operator intervention and probably be just as easy to re-transcribe by hand. In a production setting, I'd probably be able to justify the purchace of well developed software ... just now, I'm only playing. Thanks again, Harv On 10/24/05, Leif Johnson wrote: > > > > > I've tried "gocr" and "ocrad" ... the results are less than favorable. > > I'm looking for something with an error rate of less than 10 per 1000 > > charaters. > > I don't think you will find it. OCR that is this good is usually doing > target matching, which doesn't sound like it is an option for you. What kind > of error rate are you getting anyway? You might just have to bite the bullet > and do a little keying for low confidence results.... > > leif > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051024/5d81a0cb/attachment.htm From thurianknight at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:54:58 2005 From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Oct 24 13:55:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Dial-up server with RADIUS - howto? Message-ID: <7bdea6e30510241154p38966a53nd5b630a6196a4551@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, We have an old RAS server where I work, running RedHat with a program called PortSlave that lets us do RADIUS authentication. We are looking to build a new server with the latest Fedora Core, but would like to move away from PortSlave as it appears to be no longer under development or support. The server will have a 4-port PCI RocketModem. Any suggestions or pointers? I have to admit I have not yet checked the Linux howto's, but the last time I looked, I didn't really find what I was looking for. TIA, Dave Sherman Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051024/3bdbb6be/attachment.htm From jkuster at sihope.com Mon Oct 24 15:10:17 2005 From: jkuster at sihope.com (John Kuster) Date: Mon Oct 24 15:13:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternative to Quickbooks Message-ID: <1130184615.4006.8.camel@Groucho.Marx.Bro> One of the beauties of SQL-Ledger is that reports are rendered for viewing in HTML. The data is parsed into text and numbers, columns and rows when it is generated in HTML format. All you need to do to get the data from SQL-Ledger to a spreadsheet, ANY SPRERADSHEET, is cut and paste the data you want to export. The data flows correctly into the spreadsheet. John Kuster, CPA From john.meier at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 16:54:28 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Oct 24 16:55:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Bulk emailing system Message-ID: <65293fcc0510241454n6b1b5f68j299034493fe22975@mail.gmail.com> Howdy all- I've been tasked with setting up a "bulk emailer". The initial set of requirements are below (I really like the last one) * Able to handle 10K recipient list * Web interface for admins to manage recipient lists * Internal smtp server included * HTML emails supported * ODBC compliant * Other things that I haven't thought of yet. I spent a lot of time on google searching and checking ou sourceforge, but most of the stuff I saw was windows based and had to be pointed to a smtp server somewhere - didn't seem to be any stand alone systems to do this.. I thought of mailman and majordomo types, but this is to be a one way sending - not a "join the list" like tclug-list.... Just a system that will send mail for a few different domains and allows admins to get in and manage their lists, upload or paste in a html email and send. I'm a bit stumped - maybe have to homeroll and start with something like postfix, see if there's some large list managing modules or plugins???? From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 17:21:27 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Oct 24 17:23:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Bulk emailing system In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0510241454n6b1b5f68j299034493fe22975@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc0510241454n6b1b5f68j299034493fe22975@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/24/05, John Meier wrote: > Howdy all- > > I've been tasked with setting up a "bulk emailer". The initial set of > requirements are below (I really like the last one) > > * Able to handle 10K recipient list > * Web interface for admins to manage recipient lists > * Internal smtp server included > * HTML emails supported > * ODBC compliant > * Other things that I haven't thought of yet. > > > I spent a lot of time on google searching and checking ou sourceforge, > but most of the stuff I saw was windows based and had to be pointed to > a smtp server somewhere - didn't seem to be any stand alone systems to > do this.. > > I thought of mailman and majordomo types, but this is to be a one way > sending - not a "join the list" like tclug-list.... Just a system > that will send mail for a few different domains and allows admins to > get in and manage their lists, upload or paste in a html email and > send. > > I'm a bit stumped - maybe have to homeroll and start with something > like postfix, see if there's some large list managing modules or > plugins???? That's a tough set of "requirements". qmail + ezmlm + qmailadmin should satisfy 90% of these. From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Oct 24 17:26:39 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Oct 24 17:28:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Bulk emailing system In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0510241454n6b1b5f68j299034493fe22975@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc0510241454n6b1b5f68j299034493fe22975@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051024222639.1AD9011F@skuld.wookimus.net> John Meier wrote: > I've been tasked with setting up a "bulk emailer". The initial set > of requirements are below (I really like the last one) > > * Able to handle 10K recipient list > * Web interface for admins to manage recipient lists > * Internal smtp server included > * HTML emails supported > * ODBC compliant > * Other things that I haven't thought of yet. > > I spent a lot of time on google searching and checking ou > sourceforge, but most of the stuff I saw was windows based and had > to be pointed to a smtp server somewhere - didn't seem to be any > stand alone systems to do this.. Because I think some of your requirements are unreasonable. It sounds like you're looking for some pre-packaged Operating System, not just a "bulk emailer". The components you want are: email list server, email server, web server, database server, and a web administrative software to tie it all together. There are no shortcuts out there without a cost associated with it. Either you pay for it monetarily or in time (ala FLOSS software). Email, web, and database servers are all easy enough to set up separately. You WANT a list server to do this, and let me tell you why: bounce handling. Bounces are a non-trivial problem for list server software. You can use VERP handling of email addresses and return addresses with any combination of a modern email server and modern list server. The list serve software choice is up to you, but all of them are generally configurable enough that you could make it look like it isn't a list server that's controlling things. You can always strip headers, footers, and "List-" headers from the email. You can set it up so it hides the "From: " header, even, anonimizing the posts. Plus, you can control who can or cannot post quite easily. There are some list servers that allow you to manage lists via an RDBMS (ala ODBC). I believe Mailman is one of them. If you needed to, you could customize the mailman interface or write your own to manage these things. Posting to the list could be done easily enough through simple CGI or even webmail clients, such as squirrelmail. Really, why would you want to force a user to cut-n-paste HTML, when they can simply use their favorite email client to generate the email and send it to the list? -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From stutterstutt at comcast.net Mon Oct 24 18:54:53 2005 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon Oct 24 18:55:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Can't talk to USR Modem using Ubuntu 'hoary' release In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530510240725p12a86ccbr6d0ea667a52be472@mail.gmail.com> References: <435C96F9.1040605@comcast.net> <9d6c82530510240725p12a86ccbr6d0ea667a52be472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435D744D.3000603@comcast.net> Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > http://jrasmussen0.blogspot.com/2004/07/creating-serial-port-for-internal.html > ... On 10/24/05, *Jeff Nelson* > wrote: > I've tried using Knoppix -- it doesn't even find the PCI device. I tried Knoppix again for grins, and this time it found the PCI device and the directions in Rasmussen's blog worked just as advertised! Encouraged by this, I upgraded to the Ubuntu "Breezy" distro; it still failed. Ubunto insists on calling the device ttyS14. I used setserial to configure ttyS14, ttyS4 and even ttyS3, each time getting nowhere: wvdialconf says it can't find a modem. I was really hoping to use Ubuntu because I'm setting up this system for a computer novice for email and web surfing and it's one of the more user-friendy distros out there. I suppose now I've got to change plans. -Jeff From kcbnac at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 02:36:41 2005 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Tue Oct 25 02:37:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <32fd45370510250036q1f1a2ae7vbb24759647ce39bf@mail.gmail.com> The default, base Bittorrent software installs quite easily, IIRC (I use Azureus personally, haven't used the core client in ages) Or else you could contact Blizzard about their customized version (their updates are all deployed via Bittorrent; a individual download app that includes the BT client, and .torrent in one executable) In fact...someone should figure out a way to do this, automagically...hrm.... I can pitch in on the BT side of things, if you need another seed or a tracker (How big is this file, anyways? I've got 100GB+ of bandwidth I'm not using each month, might be able to throw it up, depending on size. Or at least be a mirror (perhaps get several set up, and do a round-robin system to mirrors, like the Mozilla Foundation does?) Keith Bachman Bnac.biz On 10/23/05, greg wm wrote: > > Chad Walstrom wrote: > > Erik Anderson wrote: > >>How savvy are your subscibers? Seems like this would be a good use > >>of bittorrent. Get several (~10) core people to seed the torrent > >>from their home broadband connections and then send a link out in > >>your newsletter to a page on your website explaining how to install > >>bittorrent and how to start downloading the video. > > > > +1!!! This is EXACTLY what bittorrent was designed to do. Serve > > large files on limited bandwidth. > > i would truly love to be part of a bittorrent-like open source video > solution. for it to be approachable for our audience, it will need to > be click-and-play. i can visualize it. but probably the packaging > still needs a bit of development.. > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051025/68965178/attachment.htm From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 09:08:51 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue Oct 25 09:09:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: <32fd45370510250036q1f1a2ae7vbb24759647ce39bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> <32fd45370510250036q1f1a2ae7vbb24759647ce39bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/25/05, Keith Bachman wrote: > The default, base Bittorrent software installs quite easily, IIRC (I use > Azureus personally, haven't used the core client in ages) Or else you could > contact Blizzard about their customized version (their updates are all > deployed via Bittorrent; a individual download app that includes the BT > client, and .torrent in one executable) Not to hijack this thread permanently, but can I ask what tracker software you use? I've been looking to get a tracker set up for my own uses and am having a hard time finding anything. Thanks! -Erik From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 09:07:36 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue Oct 25 09:09:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: On 10/23/05, greg wm wrote: > > i would truly love to be part of a bittorrent-like open source video > solution. for it to be approachable for our audience, it will need to > be click-and-play. i can visualize it. but probably the packaging > still needs a bit of development.. I agree w/ what Keith said. You can just have them install the "vanilla" bittorrent client. Call it a "downloader" if you want, there's no reason that you need to explain to your audience what the software actually does. I'd be willing to seed the file for you as well. Just let me know. From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 20:41:43 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Tue Oct 25 20:43:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Rsync being stupid Message-ID: <47f4d5e70510251841j192fd18bsa3c365329d58c9c@mail.gmail.com> Ok, so rsync seemed easy enough to get going, but now it seems that it's trying to sync the directory "." and it's throwing an error because of it: opening tcp connection to 10.8.0.1 port 873 opening connection using --server --sender -vvvr . proto1 RSYNC_PASSWORD environment variable ignored receiving file list ... recv_file_name(.) received 1 names done recv_file_list done get_local_name count=1 /home/sill/rsynctest/ generator starting pid=16028 count=1 deleting in . delete_in_dir(.) delta-transmission enabled recv_generator(.,0) generate_files phase=1 recv_files(1) starting recv_files(.) recv_files phase=1 generate_files phase=2 recv_files phase=2 generate_files phase=3 recv_files finished generate_files finished sent 105 bytes received 107 bytes 141.33 bytes/sec total size is 0 speedup is 0.00 rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1173) _exit_cleanup(code=23, file=main.c, line=1173): about to call exit(23) This is my command line for doing the sync: rsync --delete -rvvv --password-file=/home/sill/.rsync-pass rsync://proto1@10.8.0.1/proto1 ~/rsynctest/ Anybody have any insights? I poked Google for a while but it's really difficult to compose a search phrase for that error along with the . directory. -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From srcfoo at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 21:58:58 2005 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (EP) Date: Tue Oct 25 21:59:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Rsync being stupid In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70510251841j192fd18bsa3c365329d58c9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70510251841j192fd18bsa3c365329d58c9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <579c6fd30510251958t6a8fdb12o5019a480a6efb0a1@mail.gmail.com> Does any data actually get transferred? Is that 105 bytes useful information? Have you tried the same commpand without the password-file option and on your local file system? On 10/25/05, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > Ok, so rsync seemed easy enough to get going, but now it seems that > it's trying to sync the directory "." and it's throwing an error > because of it: > > opening tcp connection to 10.8.0.1 port 873 > opening connection using --server --sender -vvvr . proto1 > RSYNC_PASSWORD environment variable ignored > receiving file list ... > recv_file_name(.) > received 1 names > done > recv_file_list done > get_local_name count=1 /home/sill/rsynctest/ > generator starting pid=16028 count=1 > deleting in . > delete_in_dir(.) > delta-transmission enabled > recv_generator(.,0) > generate_files phase=1 > recv_files(1) starting > recv_files(.) > recv_files phase=1 > generate_files phase=2 > recv_files phase=2 > generate_files phase=3 > recv_files finished > generate_files finished > > sent 105 bytes received 107 bytes 141.33 bytes/sec > total size is 0 speedup is 0.00 > rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1173) > _exit_cleanup(code=23, file=main.c, line=1173): about to call exit(23) > > > > This is my command line for doing the sync: > > rsync --delete -rvvv --password-file=/home/sill/.rsync-pass > rsync://proto1@10.8.0.1/proto1 ~/rsynctest/ > > > Anybody have any insights? I poked Google for a while but it's really > difficult to compose a search phrase for that error along with the . > directory. > > -- > Donovan Niesen > dniesen@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051025/0e407860/attachment.htm From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 22:30:00 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Tue Oct 25 22:31:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Rsync being stupid In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30510251958t6a8fdb12o5019a480a6efb0a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e70510251841j192fd18bsa3c365329d58c9c@mail.gmail.com> <579c6fd30510251958t6a8fdb12o5019a480a6efb0a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47f4d5e70510252030h6bcb7e18h3e385d698c5acde3@mail.gmail.com> It always seemed to transfer files properly but gave me that error at the end, which broke my script. I haven't changed my rynscd settings or my command line but now the error has stopped. Go figure. If I get it to start fouling up again I'll post the output along with some actual files transferring. On 10/25/05, EP wrote: > Does any data actually get transferred? Is that 105 bytes useful > information? > > Have you tried the same commpand without the password-file option and on > your local file system? > > > > On 10/25/05, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > > > Ok, so rsync seemed easy enough to get going, but now it seems that > > it's trying to sync the directory "." and it's throwing an error > > because of it: > > > > opening tcp connection to 10.8.0.1 port 873 > > opening connection using --server --sender -vvvr . proto1 > > RSYNC_PASSWORD environment variable ignored > > receiving file list ... > > recv_file_name(.) > > received 1 names > > done > > recv_file_list done > > get_local_name count=1 /home/sill/rsynctest/ > > generator starting pid=16028 count=1 > > deleting in . > > delete_in_dir(.) > > delta-transmission enabled > > recv_generator(.,0) > > generate_files phase=1 > > recv_files(1) starting > > recv_files(.) > > recv_files phase=1 > > generate_files phase=2 > > recv_files phase=2 > > generate_files phase=3 > > recv_files finished > > generate_files finished > > > > sent 105 bytes received 107 bytes 141.33 bytes/sec > > total size is 0 speedup is 0.00 > > rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1173) > > _exit_cleanup(code=23, file=main.c, line=1173): about to call exit(23) > > > > > > > > This is my command line for doing the sync: > > > > rsync --delete -rvvv > --password-file=/home/sill/.rsync-pass > > rsync://proto1@10.8.0.1/proto1 ~/rsynctest/ > > > > > > Anybody have any insights? I poked Google for a while but it's really > > difficult to compose a search phrase for that error along with the . > > directory. > > > > -- > > Donovan Niesen > > dniesen@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From tclug at greatlakedata.com Tue Oct 25 23:56:51 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Tue Oct 25 23:57:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <435F0C93.6010706@greatlakedata.com> > Keith Bachman wrote: >> In fact...someone should figure out a way to do this, >> automagically...hrm.... iiuc as it stands to view a video folks would have to o download a bt client o install it o download the video o play the video well that's easy for you and me, but it's too many steps for our audience. it needs to be rolled into a single step. if the install is not already done, they can't be expected to "do" an install. the very most we could ask is that they "approve" the install. (and that question would be in front of them while the bt client was already starting to download, right?) while we're at it, seems we ought be able to deliver a format where the viewing could begin within seconds, while the bittorrent powered download continues. sounds great to me. shall we call it torrent video? 2bit video? if that packaging job sounds simple to you, by all means ..., you'll have my heartfelt thanks, and great exposure via our audience.. greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:07:34 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed Oct 26 00:07:48 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: <435F0C93.6010706@greatlakedata.com> References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> <435F0C93.6010706@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: On 10/25/05, greg wm wrote: > > iiuc as it stands to view a video folks would have to > > o download a bt client > o install it > o download the video > o play the video > > well that's easy for you and me, but it's too many steps for our > audience. it needs to be rolled into a single step. > > if the install is not already done, they can't be expected to "do" an > install. the very most we could ask is that they "approve" the install. > (and that question would be in front of them while the bt client was > already starting to download, right?) > > while we're at it, seems we ought be able to deliver a format where the > viewing could begin within seconds, while the bittorrent powered > download continues. > > sounds great to me. shall we call it torrent video? 2bit video? > > if that packaging job sounds simple to you, by all means ..., you'll > have my heartfelt thanks, and great exposure via our audience.. You're getting into pretty difficult territory here, and I don't think you quite understand how bittorrent works. When downloading by bittorrent, there's really no way to ensure that you get the file in sequential order. It downloads sparse packets of the target file as they're available and then slowly re-assembles them as they arrive. So...an application like you proposed would probably be incredibly difficult to code if not impossible using bittorrent. So...we've proposed what we think is a good solution. If you don't think your audience can handle installing the bittorrent client, then you're probably going to have to fork out the money for the download bandwidth of your videos. From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Oct 26 09:36:40 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Wed Oct 26 09:37:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> <435F0C93.6010706@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <20051026143640.EC3091226@skuld.wookimus.net> Erik Anderson wrote: > So...we've proposed what we think is a good solution. If you don't > think your audience can handle installing the bittorrent client, > then you're probably going to have to fork out the money for the > download bandwidth of your videos. Agreed. Your only option at that point is to install some form of streaming video server software. VLC comes to mind. However, as Erik said, you're going to run into bandwidth problems. You may want to pay for another company to host your video streams for you and simply point your customers/audience off to the URI from your website. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 10:43:40 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed Oct 26 10:43:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: <20051026143640.EC3091226@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> <435F0C93.6010706@greatlakedata.com> <20051026143640.EC3091226@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: On 10/26/05, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > Agreed. Your only option at that point is to install some form of > streaming video server software. VLC comes to mind. However, as Erik > said, you're going to run into bandwidth problems. You may want to > pay for another company to host your video streams for you and simply > point your customers/audience off to the URI from your website. One option here that I just thought of, if you don't mind the EULA, you could upload your vids to Google Video and then send the link out to your audience. That would surely solve your bandwidth usage issues as well as take care of the downloading issue. From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 14:21:00 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Wed Oct 26 14:21:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Can't talk to USR Modem using Ubuntu 'hoary' release In-Reply-To: <435D744D.3000603@comcast.net> References: <435C96F9.1040605@comcast.net> <9d6c82530510240725p12a86ccbr6d0ea667a52be472@mail.gmail.com> <435D744D.3000603@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9d6c82530510261221x7759aec7t288d4b173d9d5425@mail.gmail.com> Did you try removing the /dev/ttyS3 device and then re-adding it? I also tend to use Debian's pon, poff, and pppconfig tool for modem connections, did you try using that with Ubuntu? Jeff Rasmussen On 10/24/05, Jeff Nelson wrote: > > Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > > > > http://jrasmussen0.blogspot.com/2004/07/creating-serial-port-for-internal.html > > ... > > On 10/24/05, *Jeff Nelson* > wrote: > > > I've tried using Knoppix -- it doesn't even find the PCI device. > > > I tried Knoppix again for grins, and this time it found the PCI device > and the directions in Rasmussen's blog worked just as advertised! > > Encouraged by this, I upgraded to the Ubuntu "Breezy" distro; it still > failed. Ubunto insists on calling the device ttyS14. I used setserial to > configure ttyS14, ttyS4 and even ttyS3, each time getting nowhere: > wvdialconf says it can't find a modem. > > I was really hoping to use Ubuntu because I'm setting up this system for > a computer novice for email and web surfing and it's one of the more > user-friendy distros out there. I suppose now I've got to change plans. > > -Jeff > -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051026/6e994e25/attachment.htm From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 14:27:10 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Wed Oct 26 14:27:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] host video? In-Reply-To: <20051026143640.EC3091226@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <4356A79F.9040803@greatlakedata.com> <20051019204529.73F80524@skuld.wookimus.net> <435BE3C4.7000203@greatlakedata.com> <435F0C93.6010706@greatlakedata.com> <20051026143640.EC3091226@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <9d6c82530510261227v4bc9cfa2p3f76dd035ee7bc83@mail.gmail.com> Have you thought about hosting your video on Google's Video pages or on the Internet Archive? I believe both can work with copyrighted information and both want to host independent videos. The Internet Archive ( http://www.archive.org/details/movies) is attempting to create the biggest digital age 'library'. Google Video uses a form of VLC for streaming videos but the customer's would have to install Google's client application. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051026/df8fc85a/attachment.htm From tclug at greatlakedata.com Wed Oct 26 22:51:09 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Wed Oct 26 22:52:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source Alternative to Quickbooks In-Reply-To: <1130184615.4006.8.camel@Groucho.Marx.Bro> References: <1130184615.4006.8.camel@Groucho.Marx.Bro> Message-ID: <43604EAD.4030201@greatlakedata.com> John Kuster wrote: > One of the beauties of SQL-Ledger is that reports are rendered for > viewing in HTML. The data is parsed into text and numbers, columns and > rows when it is generated in HTML format. All you need to do to get the > data from SQL-Ledger to a spreadsheet, ANY SPRERADSHEET, is cut and > paste the data you want to export. The data flows correctly into the > spreadsheet. > > John Kuster, CPA weell whadyaknow, i tried it, 'n bygosh, columnar/tabular plaintext does not paste very nicely, but columnar html does indeed paste quite nicely into openoffice calc columns. nice indeed. thank you. greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From stutterstutt at comcast.net Thu Oct 27 01:17:12 2005 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Thu Oct 27 01:18:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Can't talk to USR Modem using Ubuntu 'hoary' release In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530510261221x7759aec7t288d4b173d9d5425@mail.gmail.com> References: <435C96F9.1040605@comcast.net> <9d6c82530510240725p12a86ccbr6d0ea667a52be472@mail.gmail.com> <435D744D.3000603@comcast.net> <9d6c82530510261221x7759aec7t288d4b173d9d5425@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <436070E8.4000706@comcast.net> Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > Did you try removing the /dev/ttyS3 device and then re-adding it? I > also tend to use Debian's pon, poff, and pppconfig tool for modem > connections, did you try using that with Ubuntu? No to all the above, but I finally figured it out. The messages in the boot log pointed to what needed to be done: >Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing >Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** PCI interrupts are no longer routed automatically. If this >Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** causes a device to stop working, it is probably because the >Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** driver failed to call pci_enable_device(). As a temporary >Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** workaround, the "pci=routeirq" argument restores the old >Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** behavior. If this argument makes the device work again, >Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** please email the output of "lspci" to bjorn.helgaas@hp.com >Oct 24 02:15:34 localhost kernel: ** so I can fix the driver. Here are all the steps I needed to take to get the USR 5610 56K PCI modem to work: a) install setserial. When it installs, it creates a default configuration of the serial devices. b) create the file /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules, and put these lines in it: #modem KERNEL="ttyS14", SYMLINK="modem" This causes /dev/modem to be created each time the system boots. c) add pci=routeirq to the kernel boot option (in my case, in /boot/grub/menu.lst). d) reboot. These steps worked with Ubuntu Hoary. I'm confident they'll work with Ubuntu Breezy. Debian Sarge worked with just (a) and (b). Thanks for your suggestions. -Jeff P.S. Yes, I'll email Bjorn so he can fix the serial driver. From rgullick at pressenter.com Fri Oct 28 11:36:42 2005 From: rgullick at pressenter.com (RGULLICK) Date: Fri Oct 28 11:35:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Media player compatible with Windows Media Player Message-ID: <4362539A.4050307@pressenter.com> I listen to the radio on the internet, and most radio stations require using Windows Media Player. Which applications(Mplayer, Xine....) would work best, if at all, and how do I set it up? Have an old laptop with Slackware 10.2. Thanks, rgullick From jimdscott at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 11:43:25 2005 From: jimdscott at gmail.com (jim scott) Date: Fri Oct 28 11:44:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Media player compatible with Windows Media Player In-Reply-To: <4362539A.4050307@pressenter.com> References: <4362539A.4050307@pressenter.com> Message-ID: I've had the most luck with mplayer. I've found that it has the most codecs and does a good job of automatically determining the file type you are playing. For streaming audio, you might have to pass the audio URL directly to mplayer: "mplayer http://some.website.com". mplayer doesn't have a built-in browser, so you need to know the exact URL. On 10/28/05, RGULLICK wrote: > > I listen to the radio on the internet, and most radio stations require > using Windows Media Player. Which applications(Mplayer, Xine....) would > work best, if at all, and how do I set it up? > > Have an old laptop with Slackware 10.2. > > Thanks, > > rgullick > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- http://ThreeWayNews.blogspot.com Your source. For everything. Really. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051028/130b91fa/attachment.htm From erikerik at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 11:43:27 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri Oct 28 11:46:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Media player compatible with Windows Media Player In-Reply-To: <4362539A.4050307@pressenter.com> References: <4362539A.4050307@pressenter.com> Message-ID: On 10/28/05, RGULLICK wrote: > I listen to the radio on the internet, and most radio stations require > using Windows Media Player. Which applications(Mplayer, Xine....) would > work best, if at all, and how do I set it up? > > Have an old laptop with Slackware 10.2. Check out VLC (http://videolan.org). It can play just about anything, and they have clients for Mac, linux, windows, etc. From jsievert at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:09:40 2005 From: jsievert at gmail.com (Jason Sievert) Date: Fri Oct 28 13:10:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL isp Message-ID: <6cfb19470510281109j1218205bkf1a70a2c277e4bc5@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I am looking for recommendations for a new ISP. With this large bank of brain trust I figured that this would be a great place to start. I just found out that I have DSL in my area and comcast has annoyed me for to long. I am new to DSL would like to here thoughts on experiences with providers in the metro area. Right now I am debating between VISI and IpHouse. Same price so I am just looking for features and experience. Any other ISP suggestions are welcome as well. Here is some stuff I am looking for: I run a personal website and mail so the ability to run servers is a must Need a static IP and the ability to buy more when needed (a /30 would be perfect) Also it would be nice if they would be willing to provide a secondary DNS. An understand in support that we don't all run windows at home would be great. It looks like Qwest only has 1.5 in my area right now but I would like to go to 7 when it comes out I do travel so remote dialup would be nice. Thanks in advance for all the help!!! Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051028/65549549/attachment.htm From drue at therub.org Fri Oct 28 13:16:57 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Fri Oct 28 13:18:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL isp In-Reply-To: <6cfb19470510281109j1218205bkf1a70a2c277e4bc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cfb19470510281109j1218205bkf1a70a2c277e4bc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051028181657.GD3444@therub.org> IPHouse is the new Visi, and the only way to go imo.. Dan On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 01:09:40PM -0500, Jason Sievert wrote: > > Hello all, I am looking for recommendations for a new ISP. With this > large bank of brain trust I figured that this would be a great place > to start. I just found out that I have DSL in my area and comcast has > annoyed me for to long. I am new to DSL would like to here thoughts > on experiences with providers in the metro area. Right now I am > debating between VISI and IpHouse. Same price so I am just looking > for features and experience. Any other ISP suggestions are welcome as > well. > Here is some stuff I am looking for: > I run a personal website and mail so the ability to run servers is a > must > Need a static IP and the ability to buy more when needed (a /30 would > be perfect) > Also it would be nice if they would be willing to provide a secondary > DNS. > An understand in support that we don't all run windows at home would > be great. > It looks like Qwest only has 1.5 in my area right now but I would like > to go to 7 when it comes out > I do travel so remote dialup would be nice. > Thanks in advance for all the help!!! > Jason > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:24:19 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri Oct 28 13:24:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL isp In-Reply-To: <6cfb19470510281109j1218205bkf1a70a2c277e4bc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cfb19470510281109j1218205bkf1a70a2c277e4bc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/28/05, Jason Sievert wrote: > > I run a personal website and mail so the ability to run servers is a must > Need a static IP and the ability to buy more when needed (a /30 would be > perfect) > Also it would be nice if they would be willing to provide a secondary DNS. > An understand in support that we don't all run windows at home would be > great. > It looks like Qwest only has 1.5 in my area right now but I would like to > go to 7 when it comes out > I do travel so remote dialup would be nice. Yah - with that list of criteria, I'd say that ipHouse is the best bet. From sfertch at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:34:36 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Fri Oct 28 13:38:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL isp In-Reply-To: <6cfb19470510281109j1218205bkf1a70a2c277e4bc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cfb19470510281109j1218205bkf1a70a2c277e4bc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a0510281134y77cb8210kc69c422ba99035bd@mail.gmail.com> On 10/28/05, Jason Sievert wrote: > > Hello all, I am looking for recommendations for a new ISP. With this large > bank of brain trust I figured that this would be a great place to start. I > just found out that I have DSL in my area and comcast has annoyed me for to > long. I am new to DSL would like to here thoughts on experiences with > providers in the metro area. Right now I am debating between VISI and > IpHouse. Same price so I am just looking for features and experience. Any > other ISP suggestions are welcome as well. > > Here is some stuff I am looking for: > > I run a personal website and mail so the ability to run servers is a must > Need a static IP and the ability to buy more when needed (a /30 would be > perfect) > Also it would be nice if they would be willing to provide a secondary DNS. > An understand in support that we don't all run windows at home would be > great. > It looks like Qwest only has 1.5 in my area right now but I would like to > go to 7 when it comes out > I do travel so remote dialup would be nice. You'll probably hear a lot of bickering about this one, but I use Qwest as my ISP. Not the MSN crap they offer, but their Qwest Internet Basic. I pay roughly $65/month for DSL (4,500 down/738 up), with a block of static IP's. I only get internet connection, no e-mail, website, or anything from them. Rough break down of pricing: $38/line $15/static ip's $10 for ISP This also includes a dial-up number for remote travel. Aside from the issue of trying to switch my DSL from my second line to the first and keep all account info and ip's, I haven't really had a problem with them. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051028/5e0dd7ed/attachment.htm From smac at visi.com Fri Oct 28 14:56:24 2005 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Fri Oct 28 14:56:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL isp In-Reply-To: <6cfb19470510281109j1218205bkf1a70a2c277e4bc5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cfb19470510281109j1218205bkf1a70a2c277e4bc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1130529384.43628268b9348@my.visi.com> VISI.COM I've only had GREAT support and results from VISI.COM Sam. Quoting Jason Sievert : > Hello all, I am looking for recommendations for a new ISP. With this large > bank of brain trust I figured that this would be a great place to start. I > just found out that I have DSL in my area and comcast has annoyed me for to > long. I am new to DSL would like to here thoughts on experiences with > providers in the metro area. Right now I am debating between VISI and > IpHouse. Same price so I am just looking for features and experience. Any > other ISP suggestions are welcome as well. > > Here is some stuff I am looking for: > > I run a personal website and mail so the ability to run servers is a must > Need a static IP and the ability to buy more when needed (a /30 would be > perfect) > Also it would be nice if they would be willing to provide a secondary DNS. > An understand in support that we don't all run windows at home would be > great. > It looks like Qwest only has 1.5 in my area right now but I would like to go > to 7 when it comes out > I do travel so remote dialup would be nice. > > Thanks in advance for all the help!!! > > Jason > From tsinks at isd.net Fri Oct 28 15:48:29 2005 From: tsinks at isd.net (Timothy Sinks) Date: Fri Oct 28 15:50:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL isp In-Reply-To: <6cfb19470510281109j1218205bkf1a70a2c277e4bc5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1130532513_50833@surgemail4> Jason, You might check out CPTelecom. http://www.cptelecom.net/ I do not have all the extras, but they offer them. I have the 1.5 up and 1 down. I use the Qwest DSL with the phone. You can put a fairly decent package together with the home phone. I pay the ISP by the year and cut it more. Keep looking up, Tim Sinks _____ From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jason Sievert Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 1:10 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] DSL isp Hello all, I am looking for recommendations for a new ISP. With this large bank of brain trust I figured that this would be a great place to start. I just found out that I have DSL in my area and comcast has annoyed me for to long. I am new to DSL would like to here thoughts on experiences with providers in the metro area. Right now I am debating between VISI and IpHouse. Same price so I am just looking for features and experience. Any other ISP suggestions are welcome as well. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051028/cd58af50/attachment-0001.htm From shad.neese at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 16:10:39 2005 From: shad.neese at gmail.com (Shad Neese) Date: Fri Oct 28 16:13:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Hiring Message-ID: Looking for someone interested in doing web development, primarily PHP, MySQL and ColdFusion. Also looking for someone familiar with Linux and Cisco gear. I'm not the person hiring, so contact Jeff Einhorn @ jeinhorn@fourscorellc.com for more info. Shad From jus at krytosvirus.com Fri Oct 28 21:51:36 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Fri Oct 28 21:52:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL isp In-Reply-To: <19387183.1130523625441.JavaMail.root@sniper4> References: <19387183.1130523625441.JavaMail.root@sniper4> Message-ID: <200510282151.37682.jus@krytosvirus.com> I like US Internet. Nevermind that I work there and so likely I am biased, but it is where I get my DSL from. Everyone that works at US Internet in the tech department is pretty awesome and we all love to party together. Great group of people and competitive pricing. We have no problems with you hosting your own server and we offer static IP addresses (single or a block) as well and DNS. We have several people already using the 7meg DSL. http://www.usinternet.com On Friday 28 October 2005 01:09 pm, Jason Sievert wrote: > Hello all, I am looking for recommendations for a new ISP. With this large > bank of brain trust I figured that this would be a great place to start. I > just found out that I have DSL in my area and comcast has annoyed me for to > long. I am new to DSL would like to here thoughts on experiences with > providers in the metro area. Right now I am debating between VISI and > IpHouse. Same price so I am just looking for features and experience. Any > other ISP suggestions are welcome as well. > > Here is some stuff I am looking for: > > I run a personal website and mail so the ability to run servers is a must > Need a static IP and the ability to buy more when needed (a /30 would be > perfect) > Also it would be nice if they would be willing to provide a secondary DNS. > An understand in support that we don't all run windows at home would be > great. > It looks like Qwest only has 1.5 in my area right now but I would like to > go to 7 when it comes out > I do travel so remote dialup would be nice. > > Thanks in advance for all the help!!! > > Jason From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Oct 28 21:57:44 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Oct 28 21:58:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510290257.j9T2viC26332@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Moded X-box - Linux ready Modified x-box, both hard and soft, xecuter 2.6 chip installed but bios flash went bad on both mem banks so it needs external programmer and to be reflashed, but the soft mod has been done and is ready for linux. Some games included. $100 Seller Email address: evisuale at yahoo dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Oct 29 01:36:35 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat Oct 29 01:36:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510290636.j9T6aZa01539@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Moded X-box - Linux ready Modified x-box, both hard and soft, xecuter 2.6 chip installed but bios flash went bad on both mem banks so it needs external programmer and to be reflashed, but the soft mod has been done and is ready for linux or plays games now. Some games included.

Oh yeah and I have 2 unused Dongle to USB cables included and Action Replay ($50 value). Make an offer. Seller Email address: evisuale at yahoo dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From bhartm at visi.com Sat Oct 29 07:03:20 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Sat Oct 29 07:04:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DSL isp In-Reply-To: <1130529384.43628268b9348@my.visi.com> References: <6cfb19470510281109j1218205bkf1a70a2c277e4bc5@mail.gmail.com> <1130529384.43628268b9348@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <43636508.8050300@visi.com> I'll second for visi on support. They helped me get Solaris 8 up same day and tought me a couple of tricks in the process. 1 email. I have not once been blown off or bullsharted by them in ~6 years. They're still agile, but they're big enough to have some push/shove when dealing with Qwest. That's .02USD from someone who'snotgoingtoswitch.Imighthavetogobuyanewkeyboard,however,becausemyspacebarjuststoppedworking.dammit,janet.reboot smac@visi.com wrote: >VISI.COM > >I've only had GREAT support and results from VISI.COM > >Sam. > > >Quoting Jason Sievert : > > > >>Hello all, I am looking for recommendations for a new ISP. With this large >>bank of brain trust I figured that this would be a great place to start. I >>just found out that I have DSL in my area and comcast has annoyed me for to >>long. I am new to DSL would like to here thoughts on experiences with >>providers in the metro area. Right now I am debating between VISI and >>IpHouse. Same price so I am just looking for features and experience. Any >>other ISP suggestions are welcome as well. >> >>Here is some stuff I am looking for: >> >>I run a personal website and mail so the ability to run servers is a must >>Need a static IP and the ability to buy more when needed (a /30 would be >>perfect) >>Also it would be nice if they would be willing to provide a secondary DNS. >>An understand in support that we don't all run windows at home would be >>great. >>It looks like Qwest only has 1.5 in my area right now but I would like to go >>to 7 when it comes out >>I do travel so remote dialup would be nice. >> >>Thanks in advance for all the help!!! >> >>Jason >> >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From jkjones at tcq.net Sat Oct 29 13:53:19 2005 From: jkjones at tcq.net (Kraig Jones) Date: Sat Oct 29 13:54:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio recording? Message-ID: <4363C51F.7090409@tcq.net> I want to record and convert some old LP's to MP3 or ogg. I've found one way to do it -- turntable to sound card's line-in, using Audacity to record and save to .wav, .mp3, or .ogg. The only thing is, it seems to me that Audacity is more complex than necessary. I was just wondering if anyone has used any other methods? Kraig From erikerik at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 14:29:44 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Sat Oct 29 14:30:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio recording? In-Reply-To: <4363C51F.7090409@tcq.net> References: <4363C51F.7090409@tcq.net> Message-ID: On 10/29/05, Kraig Jones wrote: > I want to record and convert some old LP's to MP3 or ogg. I've found > one way to do it -- turntable to sound card's line-in, using Audacity to > record and save to .wav, .mp3, or .ogg. The only thing is, it seems to > me that Audacity is more complex than necessary. I was just wondering > if anyone has used any other methods? You have a few options here...you could use either arecord or ecasound from the command line to record the wav and then encode to mp3 using lame. Alternatively, there's an open-source project called "gramofile" which was written specifically to help people do the vinyl->mp3 conversion. I've never used it, but it might be of use for you. -Erik From rwh at visi.com Sat Oct 29 20:34:29 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (rwh) Date: Sat Oct 29 20:36:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio recording? In-Reply-To: <4363C51F.7090409@tcq.net> References: <4363C51F.7090409@tcq.net> Message-ID: <43642325.2020508@visi.com> Keep in mind that LPs are cut using the original recording run through the RIAA equalization curve which de-emphasizes the bass and emphasizes the highs. When you record it you want the run it through the inverse process to get back to the original recording. You can either get a preamp for the turntable that impliments the RIAA filter or run the signal through the phono input on a reciever/amp and record off the tape out line. I picked up a USB powered preamp that takes the phono in and provides a line out. I think it was around $50 with a bunch of software to do clean up on the recorded file. --rick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization Kraig Jones wrote: > I want to record and convert some old LP's to MP3 or ogg. I've found > one way to do it -- turntable to sound card's line-in, using Audacity > to record and save to .wav, .mp3, or .ogg. The only thing is, it > seems to me that Audacity is more complex than necessary. I was just > wondering if anyone has used any other methods? > > Kraig > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bhartm at visi.com Sat Oct 29 20:56:46 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Sat Oct 29 20:56:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio recording? In-Reply-To: References: <4363C51F.7090409@tcq.net> Message-ID: <4364285E.7060300@visi.com> I'm about to start doing a similar project. Well, identical. One thing to look out for is the fact that most turntables do not have built in preamps. That means the signal coming out needs some serious EQ on the low end. (standardized by our friends at the RIAA, the people who want to jail us for doing this.. ) Check out http://www.platenspeler.com/background/riaa/uk_riaa_background_1.html If you have a receiver with a phono input, make it easy and just go from the aux out on your receiver. Otherwise, I imagine one could record direct and then use ReZound to approximate the curve shown on the page I linked above to get similar results. Gramofile sounds interesting but I hated their website immediately. Doesn't say anything about preamps or filters, anyway. As I've said, I am going to doing this soon, so I would certainly appreciate anything anyone has to say about the process. Oh, btw, I use Ardour for capturing audio, ReZound for post and k3B for burn. I came from the Cakewalk crowd, so I like to see stuff on screen. In color! ;> Erik Anderson wrote: >On 10/29/05, Kraig Jones wrote: > > >>I want to record and convert some old LP's to MP3 or ogg. I've found >>one way to do it -- turntable to sound card's line-in, using Audacity to >>record and save to .wav, .mp3, or .ogg. The only thing is, it seems to >>me that Audacity is more complex than necessary. I was just wondering >>if anyone has used any other methods? >> >> > >You have a few options here...you could use either arecord or ecasound >from the command line to record the wav and then encode to mp3 using >lame. Alternatively, there's an open-source project called >"gramofile" which was written specifically to help people do the >vinyl->mp3 conversion. I've never used it, but it might be of use for >you. > >-Erik > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Oct 31 12:18:30 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Oct 31 12:19:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200510311818.j9VIIUY06127@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Free Computers and Stuff Free to good home: Toshiba Satellite Pro 400CS notebook, Pentium 75mhz, works & looks nice. Pentium II 300mhz desktop machine, 128mg, Intel 440LX board w/Yamaha sound. Hard drive just died. 17" CRT monitor, works great. Epson Color 600 printer, has ink & prints fine. Various speakers, some with subwoofer. Several Sound Blaster ISA cards. Several small (<1gb) IDE hard drives. Come to Apple Valley & pick this stuff up. :-) Donations appreciated but not required. Seller Email address: pclinux at charter dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From cdf123 at cdf123.net Mon Oct 31 16:18:44 2005 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Oct 31 16:19:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multi-User Authentication Message-ID: <43669844.50507@cdf123.net> Hi All, Has anyone here ever dealt with multi-user authentication? I'm trying to set up a system that would require two separate users to authenticate before running certain programs. This adds a level of accountability to the system and could be very useful. I was thinking something on the lines of using pam_usb and sudo to control execution, but theres a couple things that I'm a little fuzzy about. Is there a way that if one of the usb keys got pulled out, the programs being run by sudo would be 'kill -9'ed? Can pam_usb be used to require two keys? I'm sure you could cheat, and link the two keys using a software raid, that would make sure that you need both. But if you wanted to require that two users out of 3 (or 4 or 50) can use this, you would need a lot of keys and a lot of raids. Thanks Chris From rwh at visi.com Mon Oct 31 17:23:22 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Oct 31 17:25:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multi-User Authentication In-Reply-To: <43669844.50507@cdf123.net> References: <43669844.50507@cdf123.net> Message-ID: <4366A76A.4090509@visi.com> Could you walk through an example of what you're trying to do? Types of commands and why you need the multi-key access. I think if you really want it to be secure, you're probably going to end up grabbing the source for sudo and making some changes to enforce your security policy in a general way. --rick Chris Frederick wrote: > Hi All, > > Has anyone here ever dealt with multi-user authentication? I'm trying > to set up a system that would require two separate users to authenticate > before running certain programs. This adds a level of accountability to > the system and could be very useful. I was thinking something on the > lines of using pam_usb and sudo to control execution, but theres a > couple things that I'm a little fuzzy about. > > Is there a way that if one of the usb keys got pulled out, the programs > being run by sudo would be 'kill -9'ed? > > Can pam_usb be used to require two keys? I'm sure you could cheat, and > link the two keys using a software raid, that would make sure that you > need both. But if you wanted to require that two users out of 3 (or 4 > or 50) can use this, you would need a lot of keys and a lot of raids. > > Thanks > > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 22:52:46 2005 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Oct 31 22:53:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multi-User Authentication In-Reply-To: <43669844.50507@cdf123.net> References: <43669844.50507@cdf123.net> Message-ID: On 10/31/05, Chris Frederick wrote: > Hi All, > > Has anyone here ever dealt with multi-user authentication? I'm trying > to set up a system that would require two separate users to authenticate > before running certain programs. This adds a level of accountability to > the system and could be very useful. I was thinking something on the > lines of using pam_usb and sudo to control execution, but theres a > couple things that I'm a little fuzzy about. > > Is there a way that if one of the usb keys got pulled out, the programs > being run by sudo would be 'kill -9'ed? I would think this requires a custom daemon of some sort. > Can pam_usb be used to require two keys? I'm sure you could cheat, and > link the two keys using a software raid, that would make sure that you > need both. But if you wanted to require that two users out of 3 (or 4 > or 50) can use this, you would need a lot of keys and a lot of raids. > The general answer to this is yes. But I dont know the specifics of the pam_usb module. Pam lets you stack modules, even the same one multiple times, with different options. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Oct 31 23:35:43 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Oct 31 23:37:33 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200511010535.jA15ZhF15684@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: SGI Indigo2 and 19-in CRT I've got an old SGI Indigo2 and huge 19" monitor that I'd like to give away to a good home. It ran the last time I fired it up a year or so ago. It's got a recent version of IRIX, 150 MHz MIPS processor, 2GB of HD, and the coolest screen saver you're ever seen (Electropaint). I don't recall much more about the specs, but it's kind of fun to play with. No delivery. Pick up in Blaine only. Seller Email address: wilson at visi dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi