That is one great explanation of fiber.

Last time I worked with fiber it was 100mb RAID with a couple of 
cabinets for storage.

My brain hurts thinking about what is happening now.

Sam.

Ted S. Letofsky wrote:

>Hey all,
>
>Fibre channel at the drive level is a single 40 pin copper connector.
>However, unlike scsi, you don't often see single backplane devices to plug
>the drives into.
>
>That 40 pin connector supports two logical and physical "loops".
>
>So...
>
>Fibre devices (be it a jbod or an array or raid) often have two ports, an
>"A" port and a "B" port built into them.
>
>There is a 1GB standard and a 2GB standard (4GB and 10GB are already on the
>roadmap and/or in limited production for switches and cards and drives)
>
>You can have up to 126 devices on a fibre bus in "loop" mode (arbitrated
>loop) and then it acts like scsi but can be set up to "self configure" or
>you can use the chassis for drives to "SET" the loop id, aka the "ALPA"
>
>There is also a "fabric" mode where everything gets identified by it's
>"world wide name", which is the fibre channel equivalent of a MAC address.
>
>Then the basic limit is 16 million addresses.
>
>You can do fabric mode with arrays and raids and libraries, but not easily
>with regular jbod or disk drives connected to cards because in that limited
>environment.
>
>There are fibre channel hubs, and fibre channel switches, and both concepts
>are exactly the same as in ethernet, and for basically the same reasons.
>However, almost all switches in fibre channel are managed for zoning, etc...
>
>The interface, (copper or glass) makes no difference for fabric or loop mode
>(you will also here people say "point to point" mode which is fabric
>negotiation even in a "loop" topology, like when plugging a fibre channel
>raid directly into a server card.
>
>The 1GB fibre standard for copper was/is either a db9 connector with 4 pins
>uses, or an HSSDC connector, which looks more like a squished and wider
>ethernet port.
>
>The optical 1GB fibre standard looks the same as the original optical 1GB
>standard for ethernet, and is called an "SC" connector.
>
>The 2GB standard for optical is called LP, and is about 1/3rd the size, and
>uses the same style of connectors that the newest optical ethernet does,
>although the ports and cards and switches themselves are not usually
>interchangeable.
>
>There is a copper standard for 2GB but is rarely used and called HSSDC2.
>
>The last confusing thing is that some cards and switches and chassis use
>EMBEDDED ports and some use removable/replaceable ports.
>In 1GB, they call them "GBIC"s, and for 2GB they are called "SFP"s
><shrug>
>
>
>So, the fibre standard allows for "daisy chaining" like SCSI does.
>As long as you have fewer than 126 devices on the loop.  That doesn't mean
>you'll get good performance. <grin>
>Raids count as ONE device on a loop, if connected in loop mode.
>
>In general, if you are going to do LOOP things, you try to keep 16 or so
>devices on the bus.
>If you want lots of devices, use a hub.
>If you want/need more bandwidth, use a switch and/or use more fibre host
>adapters. <grin>
>
>Ted Letofsky
><not a very good linux guy, but I know a little storage>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Nate Carlson
>Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:29 PM
>To: Florin Iucha
>Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>Subject: How does Fibre Channel work? [Was: Re: [tclug-list] Source
>forQLA2200's locally?]
>
>
>On Thu, 26 May 2005, Florin Iucha wrote:
>  
>
>>If I want to connect three computers to an array, do I need a switch?
>>Does an array have a single port? (+ see below)
>>    
>>
>
>Again, this is from my limited experience.
>
>All of the arrays I've worked with have two ports, which both connect you 
>to the same loop. However, I know there are arrays with more ports, and 
>arrays with only single ports.
>
>  
>
>>I remember something about an "Arbitrated Loop" where the computers 
>>and
>>storage sit in a circle and pass a pipe ;) Can I do that with copper, or 
>>do I need something optical?
>>    
>>
>
>Quick google search:
>
>http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/fcp.html
>
>Doesn't explain it all that well, but as I understand it, the switch or 
>hub is what allows your computer to connect to the loop of drives.
>
>Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong! :)
>
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