From theoco at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 14:12:52 2005 From: theoco at gmail.com (Theodore Randall) Date: Wed Jun 1 14:14:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Date for June Meeting Message-ID: <809f347b050601121247eb1347@mail.gmail.com> I am just writting to say that the June 4th meeting is still incorrectly listed as being on June 2 on the webpage. This could be confusing and detrimental to the turnout being that there is a Saturday July 2nd. Thats it. See you all on Saturday From brockn at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 22:16:55 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Wed Jun 1 22:18:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stupid quest about running a script Message-ID: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> When running script which is not in my path I have always used ./script_name. However at my current job most people are used not having to use the ./. My question is how do you get scripts to run WITHOUT the ./? **For example on this machine it works with the ./** [was@kent newShell]$ pwd /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell [was@kent newShell]$ echo $PATH /IBMJava2-131/bin:/IBMJava2-131/jre/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/was/bin:. [was@kent newShell]$ wasAdmin.sh Agent pid 9410 Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: [was@kent newShell]$ ./wasAdmin.sh Agent pid 9417 Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: [was@kent newShell]$ **But on this machine the ./ is not optional** ns0001-06 /home/was $cd /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell/ ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $pwd /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/bin:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/adm:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/misc ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $wasAdmin.sh -bash: wasAdmin.sh: command not found ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $./wasAdmin.sh Agent pid 18846 Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $ I assume this is shell setting, but which one? Brock From john.meier at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 22:40:36 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Wed Jun 1 22:42:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stupid quest about running a script In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc050601204012b8a51b@mail.gmail.com> **For example on this machine it works with the ./** > [was@kent newShell]$ pwd > /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell > [was@kent newShell]$ echo $PATH > > /IBMJava2-131/bin:/IBMJava2-131/jre/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/was/bin:. > [was@kent newShell]$ wasAdmin.sh > Agent pid 9410 > Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: > [was@kent newShell]$ ./wasAdmin.sh > Agent pid 9417 > Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: > [was@kent newShell]$ Errrr... do a "which wasAdmin.sh" (without the quotes) on this machine.... it must be in the path somewhere... **But on this machine the ./ is not optional** > ns0001-06 /home/was $cd /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell/ > ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $pwd > /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell > ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $echo $PATH > > /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/bin:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/adm:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/misc > ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $wasAdmin.sh > -bash: wasAdmin.sh: command not found > ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $./wasAdmin.sh > Agent pid 18846 > Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: > ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $ > > I assume this is shell setting, but which one? > > Brock > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050601/d1b624ad/attachment.html From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Jun 1 22:45:06 2005 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed Jun 1 22:48:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stupid quest about running a script In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Brock Noland wrote: > When running script which is not in my path I have always used > ./script_name. However at my current job most people are used not > having to use the ./. My question is how do you get scripts to run > WITHOUT the ./? That's because they have the current directory in the path. THIS IS A HUGE SECURITY VULNERABILITY and you should never, EVER do it. Keep using the ./script. It's MUCH better than compromising security on your box. I cannot stress this enough: do NOT add Current Directory to the path. Here's why this is important. One method of cracking a machine is replacing commonly run programs with trojan versions of the same program. It might be hard to replace /bin/ls, but NOT that hard to drop your trojan 'ls' program in many different directories. /tmp, for example, is always world-writable. So lets say I put a trojan version of ls, cp, mv, ssh or whatever in /tmp. And then you cd to /tmp and execute one of these programs. If Current Directory is in your path, you've just run one of my trojans. So, once again. DON'T DO IT. -Yaron -- From duff0097 at umn.edu Wed Jun 1 21:13:27 2005 From: duff0097 at umn.edu (Bryan Duff) Date: Wed Jun 1 22:48:03 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stupid quest about running a script In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <429E6B47.7060801@umn.edu> Err... # ./script is when you are in the current directory of the script. # script Is doable when the script is in a directory in your $PATH variable. In your case it isn't. In which case you'll need to do the full path (or if you are in the same directory the "./". I feel like I missed something... -Bryan Brock Noland wrote: >When running script which is not in my path I have always used >./script_name. However at my current job most people are used not >having to use the ./. My question is how do you get scripts to run >WITHOUT the ./? > >**For example on this machine it works with the ./** >[was@kent newShell]$ pwd >/was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell >[was@kent newShell]$ echo $PATH >/IBMJava2-131/bin:/IBMJava2-131/jre/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/was/bin:. >[was@kent newShell]$ wasAdmin.sh >Agent pid 9410 >Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: >[was@kent newShell]$ ./wasAdmin.sh >Agent pid 9417 >Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: >[was@kent newShell]$ > >**But on this machine the ./ is not optional** >ns0001-06 /home/was $cd /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell/ >ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $pwd >/was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell >ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $echo $PATH >/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/bin:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/adm:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/misc >ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $wasAdmin.sh >-bash: wasAdmin.sh: command not found >ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $./wasAdmin.sh >Agent pid 18846 >Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: >ns0001-06 /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $ > >I assume this is shell setting, but which one? > >Brock > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >. > > > From brockn at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 22:53:36 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Wed Jun 1 22:55:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stupid quest about running a script In-Reply-To: <65293fcc050601204012b8a51b@mail.gmail.com> References: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> <65293fcc050601204012b8a51b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb8050601205320a65046@mail.gmail.com> I feel like I am missing something also!!! Honestly, this is really getting on my nerves! The machine which no ./ is needed: [was@kent was]$ cd /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell/ [was@kent newShell]$ which wasAdmin.sh ./wasAdmin.sh [was@kent newShell]$ cd .. [was@kent scripts]$ which wasAdmin.sh /usr/bin/which: no wasAdmin.sh in (/IBMJava2-131/bin:/IBMJava2-131/jre/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/was/bin:.) [was@kent scripts]$ Machine where ./ is needed: \u@\h:\w> pwd /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell \u@\h:\w> ls -l wasAdmin.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 was was 625 Nov 29 2004 wasAdmin.sh \u@\h:\w> which wasAdmin.sh which: no wasAdmin.sh in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/bin:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/adm:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/misc) \u@\h:\w> On 6/1/05, John Meier wrote: > > > > > > **For example on this machine it works with the ./** > > [was@kent newShell]$ pwd > > /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell > > [was@kent newShell]$ echo $PATH > > > /IBMJava2-131/bin:/IBMJava2-131/jre/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/was/bin:. > > [was@kent newShell]$ wasAdmin.sh > > Agent pid 9410 > > Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: > > [was@kent newShell]$ ./wasAdmin.sh > > Agent pid 9417 > > Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: > > [was@kent newShell]$ > > > > Errrr... do a "which wasAdmin.sh" (without the quotes) on this > machine.... it must be in the path somewhere... > > > **But on this machine the ./ is not optional** > > ns0001-06 /home/was $cd > /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell/ > > ns0001-06 > /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $pwd > > /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell > > ns0001-06 > /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $echo > $PATH > > > /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/bin:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/adm:/db2/db2inst1/sqllib/misc > > ns0001-06 > /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell > $wasAdmin.sh > > -bash: wasAdmin.sh: command not found > > ns0001-06 > /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell > $./wasAdmin.sh > > Agent pid 18846 > > Enter passphrase for /home/was/.ssh/wasAdminkey_dsa: > > ns0001-06 > /was/WebSphere/DeploymentManager/scripts/newShell $ > > > > I assume this is shell setting, but which one? > > > > Brock > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From brockn at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 22:58:36 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Wed Jun 1 22:59:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stupid quest about running a script In-Reply-To: References: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb80506012058680eff03@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Yaron and Josh!! When I saw your emails, I had that kind an Ah moment!! I know its a big security problem...... I was just wanted to understand what was going on. Thanks Brock On 6/1/05, Yaron wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Brock Noland wrote: > > > When running script which is not in my path I have always used > > ./script_name. However at my current job most people are used not > > having to use the ./. My question is how do you get scripts to run > > WITHOUT the ./? > > That's because they have the current directory in the path. > > THIS IS A HUGE SECURITY VULNERABILITY and you should never, EVER do it. > Keep using the ./script. It's MUCH better than compromising security on > your box. I cannot stress this enough: do NOT add Current Directory to the > path. > > > > Here's why this is important. One method of cracking a machine is > replacing commonly run programs with trojan versions of the same program. > It might be hard to replace /bin/ls, but NOT that hard to drop your trojan > 'ls' program in many different directories. /tmp, for example, is always > world-writable. > > So lets say I put a trojan version of ls, cp, mv, ssh or whatever in /tmp. > And then you cd to /tmp and execute one of these programs. > > If Current Directory is in your path, you've just run one of my trojans. > > So, once again. DON'T DO IT. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From john.meier at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 23:00:10 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Wed Jun 1 23:03:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stupid quest about running a script In-Reply-To: References: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc05060121002c7422d2@mail.gmail.com> On 6/1/05, Yaron wrote: > > > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Brock Noland wrote: > > > When running script which is not in my path I have always used > > ./script_name. However at my current job most people are used not > > having to use the ./. My question is how do you get scripts to run > > WITHOUT the ./? > > That's because they have the current directory in the path. Yup - I totally mssed it - in the first machine's PATH - there's a :. at the end of the path... the current working dir is in the path.... take it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050601/178586be/attachment.htm From drue at therub.org Wed Jun 1 23:04:27 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Wed Jun 1 23:04:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stupid quest about running a script In-Reply-To: References: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050602040427.GV54846@therub.org> On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 10:45:06PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > That's because they have the current directory in the path. > > THIS IS A HUGE SECURITY VULNERABILITY and you should never, EVER do it. > Keep using the ./script. It's MUCH better than compromising security on > your box. I cannot stress this enough: do NOT add Current Directory to the > path. Good advise. However, I live in the real world and I konw that certain, uhh, individuals will not change their habits. So if you have to have a "." in your path, the important thing is to be sure to append it to the end of your path. Do NOT put it in the beginning of the path. At least if it's in the end of your path, and someone drops a trojan'd "ls" in /tmp - the real ls will be found and ran before the /tmp version. It's tempting when you're new to the command line to do the dot in path thing. But really after a bit it becomes second nature - and is less ambiguous. Very important to always know exactly what's going on when you're at the command line, particularily as root (i will put my foot down when it comes to a . in root's path :) ) Dan From bolaseteumo at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 13:05:51 2005 From: bolaseteumo at yahoo.com (martin mcnamara) Date: Thu Jun 2 13:06:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] centrino on acer Message-ID: <20050602180551.74432.qmail@web60115.mail.yahoo.com> i am visiting and may move here. i have an acer travelmate with intel centrino 2200g and run suse 9.2 and win xp pro. i don't have a local isp and rely on free wifi for the net. so i use win and, luckily, can access those files from linux. but i'd like to get the wlan working under kernel 2.6.8. the ipw-firmware required is installed and working properly. anyone know how to make this work the next time i'm in dunn bros? thanks for reading and thanks even more if you can help. --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <010501c567a1$afa83840$7c00000a@exstream.com> Off topic - db2 and aix (or is it aches?) If there are any db2/aix consultants on the list, I may have a need for someone to look at an issue. DB2 8.2 (aka 8.1 FP 9) running on AIX 5L (5.2 ML 2) is not happy about communicating over tcp. I have tried the stuff in the 'quick beginnings,' admin redbook, etc., but there is still some snafu that won't let the db get remote connections via tcp. Control center works from an x terminal, and works as expected doing local stuff. Just won't allow remote connections. Contact me off-list if you can troubleshoot this kind of stuff. bfriedman at exstream dot com. Thanks, Brent Friedman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050602/94c7ea37/attachment.htm From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 15:03:04 2005 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Thu Jun 2 15:05:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Syslog on Windows In-Reply-To: <1116951435.4293538b05ea9@joshwelch.com> References: <1116951435.4293538b05ea9@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <914f813c050602130313fa0a1f@mail.gmail.com> On 5/24/05, josh@joshwelch.com wrote: > I have fooled around with doing Windows logging using Snare, > http://www.intersectalliance.com/projects/SnareWindows/index.html. It is > interesting, but I really need to spend more time with understanding windows > events in order to get something valuable out of the data. It seems like > Windows is willing to give you lots of information, but trying to parse it in a > sane fashion is non-trivial. http://www.eventid.net is invaluable. From drue at therub.org Thu Jun 2 16:18:20 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Thu Jun 2 16:18:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] network solutions is the suck Message-ID: <20050602211820.GX54846@therub.org> Just in case anyone still uses network solutions and wonders why they get such a bad rep, i've documented my 4+month go around with them: http://therub.org/networksolutions/ And it's still going. They just now attempted to renew my domain AGAIN. 13th time. Unbelievable. Dan From tclug at beitsahour.net Thu Jun 2 16:19:47 2005 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Thu Jun 2 16:20:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] stupid quest about running a script In-Reply-To: <20050602040427.GV54846@therub.org> References: <741dcbb8050601201675bc17aa@mail.gmail.com> <20050602040427.GV54846@therub.org> Message-ID: <429F77F3.3000902@beitsahour.net> Dan Rue wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 10:45:06PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > >>That's because they have the current directory in the path. >> >>THIS IS A HUGE SECURITY VULNERABILITY and you should never, EVER do it. >>Keep using the ./script. It's MUCH better than compromising security on >>your box. I cannot stress this enough: do NOT add Current Directory to the >>path. > > > Good advise. However, I live in the real world and I konw that certain, > uhh, individuals will not change their habits. there is something you can do that keeps both sides happy, put the script on BOTH machines in /usr/local/bin, and add /usr/local/bin to the path on both machines, removing . from the path on the old machine. and presto everything works as expected. alternatively if this script is for use by one user only, i usually have a ~/bin in the path and put the scripts in that users bin directory. -- Munir Nassar From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 16:53:00 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Thu Jun 2 16:54:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] network solutions is the suck In-Reply-To: <20050602211820.GX54846@therub.org> References: <20050602211820.GX54846@therub.org> Message-ID: <429F7FBC.3010009@gmail.com> Why not ask your credit card company to treat your card as lost - and issue you a new card with new numbers? Then they won't even be able to make the charge anymore... though they will still probably send you e-mail. Just make sure you have your most recent refund before you cancel the old card.... Dan Dan Rue wrote: >Just in case anyone still uses network solutions and wonders why they get >such a bad rep, i've documented my 4+month go around with them: > >http://therub.org/networksolutions/ > >And it's still going. They just now attempted to renew my domain AGAIN. >13th time. Unbelievable. > >Dan > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From drue at therub.org Thu Jun 2 17:02:10 2005 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Thu Jun 2 17:02:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] network solutions is the suck In-Reply-To: <429F7FBC.3010009@gmail.com> References: <20050602211820.GX54846@therub.org> <429F7FBC.3010009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050602220210.GY54846@therub.org> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 04:53:00PM -0500, Dan Armbrust wrote: > > Why not ask your credit card company to treat your card as lost - and > issue you a new card with new numbers? > > Then they won't even be able to make the charge anymore... though they > will still probably send you e-mail. Just make sure you have your most > recent refund before you cancel the old card.... > > Dan Indeed that is the last resort.. But I don't really want to do that for many reasons (many bills and such go to this card directly). dan From thecubic at thecubic.net Thu Jun 2 17:27:58 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Thu Jun 2 17:28:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] network solutions is the suck In-Reply-To: <20050602220210.GY54846@therub.org> References: <20050602211820.GX54846@therub.org> <429F7FBC.3010009@gmail.com> <20050602220210.GY54846@therub.org> Message-ID: <200506021728.03186.thecubic@thecubic.net> > Indeed that is the last resort.. But I don't really want to do that > for many reasons (many bills and such go to this card directly). Ask your credit card company to do a chargeback right after the next round of charges appear. Generally, that gets their attention (they usually get a punitive fee assessed to them). It looks like you're doing a good job of documenting everything - you shouldn't have any problems. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050602/33aaeffd/attachment.pgp From pclinux at charter.net Thu Jun 2 17:44:46 2005 From: pclinux at charter.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Thu Jun 2 17:46:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: centrino on acer In-Reply-To: <44abkh$t0ijek@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <44abkh$t0ijek@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050602173916.033fa450@pop.charter.net> At 05:04 PM 6/2/2005, you wrote: >i am visiting and may move here. i have an acer travelmate with intel >centrino 2200g and run suse 9.2 and win xp pro. i don't have a local isp >and rely on free wifi for the net. so i use win and, luckily, can access >those files from linux. but i'd like to get the wlan working under kernel >2.6.8. the ipw-firmware required is installed and working properly. anyone >know how to make this work the next time i'm in dunn bros? thanks for >reading and thanks even more if you can help. I have a Toshiba with onboard 2200g running SUSE 9.2. Have you configured the wireless connection with YAST yet? It should set up just fine with no encryption. Also, try using YAST to set your wired connection to hotplug or disabled (they sometimes fight over DHCP). From brockn at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 17:57:20 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Thu Jun 2 17:58:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Dedicated Server Suggestions In-Reply-To: <17f6da2505060211256b793b49@mail.gmail.com> References: <17f6da2505060211256b793b49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb80506021557532c5081@mail.gmail.com> I use ServerPronto. They are as cheap as it comes, but about once every 6 months they have a 3-4 hour network outage. On 6/2/05, Steve Swantz wrote: > I'm looking at renting a dedicated server that I'll be running Debian on. > > Anyone here have any good or bad experiences with Server Beach or > Cari.net? I'm open to other suggestions, but I don't have a > Rackspace.com budget (yet). > > Thanks, > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From silwenae at silwenae.com Thu Jun 2 20:33:17 2005 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Paul Cutler) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:34:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] centrino on acer In-Reply-To: <20050602180551.74432.qmail@web60115.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050602180551.74432.qmail@web60115.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <429FB35D.7010002@silwenae.com> I just got a HP dv1000 with the ipw2200 Centrino chipset. I'm running Ubuntu, so I can't speak to Suse, but I updated to the latest firmware, and installed the 1.04 drivers (both on http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net ) without any problems. The 1.04 drivers require the latest firmware copied over to hotplug. Have you downloaded the latest Suse RPMs for both firmware and drivers from http://wiki.version6.net/RPM ? Does iwlist list any available networks? Even before I upgraded the drivers from 0.19 to 1.04, it would scan, I just couldn't get it configured. Suse / Novell / Ximian hackers also wrote netapplet once you get it up and running, it's a great network manager tool for scanning and jumping on to wireless networks. Paul martin mcnamara wrote: > i am visiting and may move here. i have an acer travelmate with intel > centrino 2200g and run suse 9.2 and win xp pro. i don't have a local > isp and rely on free wifi for the net. so i use win and, luckily, can > access those files from linux. but i'd like to get the wlan working > under kernel 2.6.8. the ipw-firmware required is installed and working > properly. anyone know how to make this work the next time i'm in dunn > bros? thanks for reading and thanks even more if you can help. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it > out! > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From duff0097 at umn.edu Thu Jun 2 21:07:34 2005 From: duff0097 at umn.edu (Bryan Duff) Date: Thu Jun 2 21:08:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] centrino on acer In-Reply-To: <429FB35D.7010002@silwenae.com> References: <20050602180551.74432.qmail@web60115.mail.yahoo.com> <429FB35D.7010002@silwenae.com> Message-ID: <429FBB66.8050608@umn.edu> What's the netapplet you speak of? Thanks. -Bryan Paul Cutler wrote: >I just got a HP dv1000 with the ipw2200 Centrino chipset. I'm running >Ubuntu, so I can't speak to Suse, but I updated to the latest firmware, >and installed the 1.04 drivers (both on http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net ) >without any problems. The 1.04 drivers require the latest firmware >copied over to hotplug. > >Have you downloaded the latest Suse RPMs for both firmware and drivers >from http://wiki.version6.net/RPM ? > >Does iwlist list any available networks? Even before I upgraded the >drivers from 0.19 to 1.04, it would scan, I just couldn't get it configured. > >Suse / Novell / Ximian hackers also wrote netapplet once you get it up >and running, it's a great network manager tool for scanning and jumping >on to wireless networks. > >Paul > >martin mcnamara wrote: > > > >>i am visiting and may move here. i have an acer travelmate with intel >>centrino 2200g and run suse 9.2 and win xp pro. i don't have a local >>isp and rely on free wifi for the net. so i use win and, luckily, can >>access those files from linux. but i'd like to get the wlan working >>under kernel 2.6.8. the ipw-firmware required is installed and working >>properly. anyone know how to make this work the next time i'm in dunn >>bros? thanks for reading and thanks even more if you can help. >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Discover Yahoo! >>Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it >>out! >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >. > > > From silwenae at silwenae.com Thu Jun 2 21:27:32 2005 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Paul Cutler) Date: Thu Jun 2 21:28:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] centrino on acer In-Reply-To: <429FBB66.8050608@umn.edu> References: <20050602180551.74432.qmail@web60115.mail.yahoo.com> <429FB35D.7010002@silwenae.com> <429FBB66.8050608@umn.edu> Message-ID: <429FC014.2050201@silwenae.com> Novell informational page: http://support.novell.com/techcenter/articles/tp10007.html Suse RPMs / and tar.gz download: http://primates.ximian.com/~rml/netapplet Debian has packages available as well, and Ubuntu's next release (Breezy Badger) will include it as the standard for network switching. Paul Bryan Duff wrote: >What's the netapplet you speak of? > >Thanks. > >-Bryan > >Paul Cutler wrote: > > > From admin at lctn.org Fri Jun 3 11:13:27 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri Jun 3 11:14:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] where to redirect? Message-ID: <1249.64.8.148.30.1117815207.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Our mail server acts an incoming gateway for multiple domains. I have set up a new box which will act as an outgoing relay to the Internet. I want to test its performance and stability with my local domain first, before implementing it for all other domains on our WAN. Where is the best place to do this, on the router or via Iptables on the original mail server? Raymond From tclug at ryanorourke.org Fri Jun 3 14:23:12 2005 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Fri Jun 3 14:24:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely Message-ID: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> I'm trying to run a RealPlayer-based application on a remote host from PuTTY in Windows. It's an application that will capture Real audio as it plays through RealPlayer so it needs to actually open the application to do it. I don't see a way for RealPlayer to run without X so I'm trying to set the $DISPLAY variable to open RealPlayer on my Linux host. There must be something wrong though because if I do: DISPLAY=hostname:0 realcap [arguments] [options] [URL] & I get an error message about not being able to open the display. What do I need to do in order for my command to open RealPlayer on the remote Linux box instead of trying to open it on my local Windows box? TIA. -- Ryan From klinej at msoe.edu Fri Jun 3 14:31:28 2005 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Jonathan Kline) Date: Fri Jun 3 14:32:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <42A0B010.306@msoe.edu> On the target box, you need to do xhost +serverbox Although on most recent distributions of X, TCP access is disabled by default, so you either have to restart X and make sure it is listening to TCP connections, or tunnel everything through ssh then you need not worry about DISPLAYs and xhost and such. ~J Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > I'm trying to run a RealPlayer-based application on a remote host from > PuTTY in Windows. It's an application that will capture Real audio as > it plays through RealPlayer so it needs to actually open the > application to do it. I don't see a way for RealPlayer to run without > X so I'm trying to set the $DISPLAY variable to open RealPlayer on my > Linux host. There must be something wrong though because if I do: > DISPLAY=hostname:0 realcap [arguments] [options] [URL] & > I get an error message about not being able to open the display. > > What do I need to do in order for my command to open RealPlayer on the > remote Linux box instead of trying to open it on my local Windows box? > > TIA. > > -- Ryan > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Fri Jun 3 14:38:50 2005 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Fri Jun 3 14:42:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <42A0B010.306@msoe.edu> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B010.306@msoe.edu> Message-ID: <42A0B1CA.3010908@ryanorourke.org> Jonathan Kline wrote: > or tunnel everything through ssh then you need not > worry about DISPLAYs and xhost and such. I am tunneling, well forwarding (is that the same thing), X through SSH. At least I think so - Putty has the "Enable X11 forwarding" option selected for X Display Location :10 using the "MIT-Magic-Cookie-1" remote X11 authentication protocol. The server running X and SSH has "X11Forwarding yes" set. Should that work for what I'm trying to do? From tclug at ryanorourke.org Fri Jun 3 14:43:14 2005 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Fri Jun 3 14:44:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <42A0B121.6020306@druswanderings.net> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B121.6020306@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <42A0B2D2.4030101@ryanorourke.org> The Wandering Dru wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > >>What do I need to do in order for my command to open RealPlayer on the >>remote Linux box instead of trying to open it on my local Windows box? >> > > > You could use VNC. Probably the easiest way to go that I know of. I > personally use TightVNC[1] quite a bit for remote stuff that requires a GUI. > > 1. http://www.tightvnc.com/ yes, yes thank you... I know about VNC, but I'm at work and want to maintain a low profile. Large amounts of network traffic to an unknown host tend to raise flags around here. Plus, I just thought it'd be easier to fire off the command via a terminal session and have the app display remotely than it would to try and setup an SSH tunnel for VNC. Less bulky too. Thanks. -- Ryan From klinej at msoe.edu Fri Jun 3 14:51:38 2005 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Jonathan Kline) Date: Fri Jun 3 14:52:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <42A0B1CA.3010908@ryanorourke.org> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B010.306@msoe.edu> <42A0B1CA.3010908@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <42A0B4CA.2060504@msoe.edu> Ya that should work... Although are you actually running a xserver on your windows box? Actually, are you trying to display realplayer on your windows box or on your linux box? If you are trying to display it on a windows box from a linux box, you will need an X server running on your windows box. This can be one of the many commercial x servers or X running inside of cygwin, although I don't know how well the whole ssh+putty forwarding thing would work with X inside of cygwin, as I've never tried it. ~J Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > Jonathan Kline wrote: > >> or tunnel everything through ssh then you need not worry about >> DISPLAYs and xhost and such. > > > I am tunneling, well forwarding (is that the same thing), X through SSH. > At least I think so - Putty has the "Enable X11 forwarding" option > selected for X Display Location :10 using the "MIT-Magic-Cookie-1" > remote X11 authentication protocol. > The server running X and SSH has "X11Forwarding yes" set. > > Should that work for what I'm trying to do? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Fri Jun 3 14:51:50 2005 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Fri Jun 3 14:52:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <42A0B4D6.4070709@ryanorourke.org> Adam Maloney wrote: > You might try running: > > xhost +remote.hostname > > on the box you're trying to display on (the one with X). Thanks Adam, here's the output when running that command: Xlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server Xlib: PuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attempted xhost: unable to open display "localhost:10.0" From tclug at ryanorourke.org Fri Jun 3 15:36:50 2005 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Fri Jun 3 15:37:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <42A0B4CA.2060504@msoe.edu> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B010.306@msoe.edu> <42A0B1CA.3010908@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B4CA.2060504@msoe.edu> Message-ID: <42A0BF62.6020703@ryanorourke.org> Jonathan Kline wrote: > Ya that should work... Although are you actually running a xserver on > your windows box? There is no X server on the Windows box > Actually, are you trying to display realplayer on your windows box or on > your linux box? I'm trying to display realplayer on the Linux box and am using PuTTY for the SSH connection. From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 16:01:56 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Fri Jun 3 16:03:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <42A0BF62.6020703@ryanorourke.org> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B010.306@msoe.edu> <42A0B1CA.3010908@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B4CA.2060504@msoe.edu> <42A0BF62.6020703@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <42A0C544.6080200@gmail.com> I'm confused. So, are you on a windows box, and trying to execute real player from your linux box, with the display on the linux box? Or are you trying to execute real player on the windows box, and forward the display to the linux box? Or are you trying to execute real player on the linux box, and forward the display to the windows box? Dan > From admin at lctn.org Fri Jun 3 16:33:33 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri Jun 3 16:37:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] where to redirect? In-Reply-To: <1249.64.8.148.30.1117815207.squirrel@64.8.148.30> References: <1249.64.8.148.30.1117815207.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Message-ID: <43470.209.176.212.10.1117834413.squirrel@209.176.212.10> I will need to create a rule then in Iptables of the incoming gateway mail server. It will need to redirect all destination port 25 traffic to the new outbound, relay mail server, except when it is destined for any of our class C's inside our WAN. Is there an expert who knows the right rule for this? From tclug at ryanorourke.org Fri Jun 3 18:50:30 2005 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Fri Jun 3 18:51:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <42A0C544.6080200@gmail.com> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B010.306@msoe.edu> <42A0B1CA.3010908@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B4CA.2060504@msoe.edu> <42A0BF62.6020703@ryanorourke.org> <42A0C544.6080200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A0ECC6.7040500@ryanorourke.org> Dan Armbrust wrote: > I'm confused. > > So, are you on a windows box, and trying to execute real player from > your linux box, with the display on the linux box? Yes. Apologies if I was unclear. From ryan at orourke-walsh.org Fri Jun 3 13:06:38 2005 From: ryan at orourke-walsh.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Sat Jun 4 13:13:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely Message-ID: <42A09C2E.4000100@orourke-walsh.org> I'm trying to run a RealPlayer-based application on a remote host from PuTTY in Windows. It's an application that will capture Real audio as it plays through RealPlayer so it needs to actually open the application to do it. I don't see a way for RealPlayer to run without X so I'm trying to set the $DISPLAY variable to open RealPlayer on my Linux host. There must be something wrong though because if I do: DISPLAY=hostname:0 realcap [arguments] [options] [URL] & I get an error message about not being able to open the display. What do I need to do in order for my command to open RealPlayer on the remote Linux box instead of trying to open it on my local Windows box? TIA. -- Ryan From strayf at freeshell.org Sat Jun 4 14:36:48 2005 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Sat Jun 4 14:39:13 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <42A09C2E.4000100@orourke-walsh.org> References: <42A09C2E.4000100@orourke-walsh.org> Message-ID: <20050604193648.GA27352@crito> This works for me from one Debian Sarge machine to another after ssh'ing in with X forwarding on: DISPLAY=:0.0 realplay song.mp3 & Realplayer pops open on the remote machine's display and starts playing. Also, there used to be a command line program based on realplayer that was designed for blind people using braille readers and not running X. Can't remember what it was called, though. -Steve On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 01:06:38PM -0500, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > I'm trying to run a RealPlayer-based application on a remote host from > PuTTY in Windows. It's an application that will capture Real audio as > it plays through RealPlayer so it needs to actually open the > application to do it. I don't see a way for RealPlayer to run without > X so I'm trying to set the $DISPLAY variable to open RealPlayer on my > Linux host. There must be something wrong though because if I do: > DISPLAY=hostname:0 realcap [arguments] [options] [URL] & > I get an error message about not being able to open the display. > > What do I need to do in order for my command to open RealPlayer on the > remote Linux box instead of trying to open it on my local Windows box? > > TIA. > > -- Ryan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun Jun 5 17:38:40 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Sun Jun 5 17:41:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <42A0ECC6.7040500@ryanorourke.org> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B010.306@msoe.edu> <42A0B1CA.3010908@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B4CA.2060504@msoe.edu> <42A0BF62.6020703@ryanorourke.org> <42A0C544.6080200@gmail.com> <42A0ECC6.7040500@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <1118011120.7142.8.camel@bigtime.booze> > > So, are you on a windows box, and trying to execute real player from > > your linux box, with the display on the linux box? > > Yes. Apologies if I was unclear. Well for one thing, turn off X11 forwarding on PuTTY. You're not running X on you windows box, are you? Note that using DISPLAY=localhost:0 will cause xlib to contact the local server through TCP, which is suboptimal and might be disabled. DISPLAY=:0 will use unix domain sockets, which is more efficient. You should be able to do something like 'DISPLAY=:0 realplayer' and it will do what you want. Also there's a command line realplayer front end out there somewhere, that uses the realplayer libs. Stuff like Xine and Mplayer seem to be able to use the realplayer libs as well. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Doesn't everyone use Cygwin/X (http://x.cygwin.com/) on MS Windows, so they can run X applications on MS Windows? Sincerely, Ken Fuchs From jsanborn at earthlink.net Mon Jun 6 07:43:17 2005 From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn) Date: Mon Jun 6 07:43:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] BIND and Active Directory Message-ID: <2356762.1118061797579.JavaMail.root@wamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Everyone, Not sure if this would be better posted to an M$ list, but anyway, I'm running BIND 9.2.5-1 on Fedora Core 3 and I have a zone set up to allow-updates from a specific IP address that is a Windows 2K3 domain controller. The first time I set it up (a few days ago) everything seemed to work fine. Then the Windows machine started locking up every 30 minutes and had to be rebooted each time(I think maybe some printer software I installed). I just hosed it and reinstalled W2K3 from scratch, but this time, when I installed Active Directory the diagnostic (displayed during AD install) said it could contact the DNS server and that it supported dynamic updates and everything looked fine. But when I restarted after the installation it will not make the dynamic updates to the DNS server. I'm sure all the TCP/IP settings are correct one the W2K3 machine everything is like it was the first time. Is there maybe something that has be reset / deleted / changed with BIND between removing the first AD installation and starting the second? I have rebooted the machine, but I checked over all the config files and I can't find anything amiss. But since AD initially queried the DNS server and confirmed that it was visible and that dynamic updates were allowed, I'm guessing that there is something I need to do with BIND. (I'm a little new at this) thanks John Sanborn From admin at lctn.org Mon Jun 6 10:50:10 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jun 6 10:51:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail newsgroup Message-ID: <2180.64.8.148.30.1118073010.squirrel@64.8.148.30> what are people using for the sendmail news group. I get server not found when trying to access comp.mail.sendmail. Raymond From adam at whee.org Mon Jun 6 10:55:04 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jun 6 11:11:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail newsgroup In-Reply-To: <2180.64.8.148.30.1118073010.squirrel@64.8.148.30> References: <2180.64.8.148.30.1118073010.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Raymond Norton wrote: > what are people using for the sendmail news group. I get server not found > when trying to access comp.mail.sendmail. comp.mail.sendmail is the group name. You need to have a news server to access the groups. You can find out from your ISP if they have news service available. From the looks of it, your connection goes through Onvoy. Last I heard (which was awhile ago...) Onvoy had a full feed. If you just need to ask a question, you might try asking here. There are some sendmail jedi on this list, and we're probably going to be more friendly than c.m.sendmail would be. From adam at whee.org Mon Jun 6 11:05:52 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jun 6 11:21:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail newsgroup In-Reply-To: References: <2180.64.8.148.30.1118073010.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Adam Maloney wrote: > comp.mail.sendmail is the group name. You need to have a news server to > access the groups. You can find out from your ISP if they have news service > available. From the looks of it, your connection goes through Onvoy. Last I (I'm basing the Onvoy assumption on the IP your mail originated from) > If you just need to ask a question, you might try asking here. There are > some sendmail jedi on this list, and we're probably going to be more friendly ("we're" = this list. I can't speak to how The Jedi will respond.) From admin at lctn.org Mon Jun 6 11:29:55 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jun 6 11:31:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail newsgroup In-Reply-To: References: <2180.64.8.148.30.1118073010.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Message-ID: <2872.64.8.148.30.1118075395.squirrel@64.8.148.30> > If you just need to ask a question, you might try asking here. There are > some sendmail jedi on this list, and we're probably going to be more > friendly than cMicrosoftil would be. I can get to the microsoft news server just fine??? Anyway, what I need to accomplish is to force all outgoing smtp traffic to hit my outbound relay server if it is not destined for either of my two class C's. I have an inbound gateway server that scans mail for many school districts and then forwards it on to them, but the same box acts as my local smtp and imap server, hence the little complication. I wanted to try and accomplish this via IPtables, but did not get any responses to my post. Raymond From adam at whee.org Mon Jun 6 11:32:17 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jun 6 11:47:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail newsgroup In-Reply-To: <2872.64.8.148.30.1118075395.squirrel@64.8.148.30> References: <2180.64.8.148.30.1118073010.squirrel@64.8.148.30> <2872.64.8.148.30.1118075395.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Raymond Norton wrote: > I can get to the microsoft news server just fine??? news.microsoft.com probably only carries MS groups, since it's a public server. 3com (used to?) do the same thing...news.3com.com is publicly accessible, but only carries 3com.* groups for customer support. > Anyway, what I need to accomplish is to force all outgoing smtp traffic to > hit my outbound relay server if it is not destined for either of my two > class C's. I have an inbound gateway server that scans mail for many You mean unless the mail is destined for particular domains? > school districts and then forwards it on to them, but the same box acts as > my local smtp and imap server, hence the little complication. I wanted to > try and accomplish this via IPtables, but did not get any responses to my > post. If I'm reading this right, on the inbound box you have some school district domains that you are scanning mail for, and need to forward their mail on to them directly. Anything else, you want to be sent to the outbound gateway? In that case (if I understand your problem correctly), set the inbound server to use the outbound one as a smarthost (look for "DS" at the beginning of a line in sendmail.cf, and make the line look like:) Find: DS Change to: DSoutbound.server.name And then config the school domains in mailertable with the correct routing info: edit /etc/mail/mailertable: school1.com smtp:smtp.server.for.school1.com school2.com smtp:smtp.server.for.school2.com Make sure your sendmail config has mailertable support: $ grep mailertable /etc/mail/sendmail.cf ... Kmailertable hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable ... And rebuild the mailertable hash: $ makemap hash /etc/mail/mailertable < /etc/mail/mailertable This should force all your outgoing mail from the internal box to be relayed through the outbound gateway, except for the domains that you put in mailertable will be relayed to the mailservers you specify for each domain. From timo at bolverk.net Mon Jun 6 11:52:42 2005 From: timo at bolverk.net (Tim Oudin) Date: Mon Jun 6 11:53:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Bad EIP Value; Kernel Panic Message-ID: <3071.208.42.98.10.1118076762.squirrel@webmail.bolverk.net> I've got a bit of an issue with a production server that needs to be back up immediately. Since I have no backups of the data I'm struggling to repair this machine. This server, running RH, version unknown but recent. I don't think it's 9, 8.2 maybe. I don't know anything about how RH does business, I'm more of a debian guy. This machine has been up for quite a while, had uptime pushing 300 days. It became unresponsive on 6/5 though weekend activity is minimal so I let it go until 6/6. The machine had Kernel Panic'd. Upon reboot I get something that looks a lot like the following: Code: Bad EIP value. <1>Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 82f4db2b print eip: 82f4db2b *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0000 ext3 jbd raid1 CPU: 0 EIP: 0060:[<82f4db2b>] Not tainted EFLAGS: 00010283 EIP is at Using_Version [] 0x82f4db2a (2.4.20-8) eax: 0000003b ebx: e7ff8000 ecx: 00000030 edx: 00000068 esi: 00000000 edi: 000000000 ebp: bfffc22c esp: e7ff9fc0 ds: 0068 es: 0068 ss: 0068 Process init (pid: 1, stackpage-e7ff9000) Stack: Call Trace: [] system_call [kernel] 0x33 (0xe7ff9fc0)) Code: Bad EIP value. <0>Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init! What I'm getting out of this, and from a bit of research is that there's a problem with init itself. One suggestion I've was to replace init from a RH boot disk. Any experience with something like this by chance? Thanks! -- ./timo From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 11:55:21 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Mon Jun 6 11:55:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] wpa encrypted wireless using ndis wrapper? Message-ID: <42A47FF9.7010908@gmail.com> I'm trying to figure out how to set up my wireless card on my laptop, using WPA-PSK. I just installed Mandrivia Limited Edition 2005 (Or mandrake 10.2) when I go through the mandrake control center to set up my DLink DWL 650, (using the ndiswrapper and the latest drivers from dlink for windows) my messages log looks like this: Jun 4 19:45:42 old-laptop drakconf.real[22054]: ### Program is starting ### Jun 4 19:53:21 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /sbin/modprobe ath_pci Jun 4 19:53:22 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /sbin/modprobe -n ath_pci Jun 4 19:53:23 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /sbin/modprobe ath_pci Jun 4 19:53:23 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /sbin/modprobe -n ath_pci Jun 4 19:53:35 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /sbin/modprobe ndiswrapper Jun 4 19:53:35 old-laptop kernel: ndiswrapper version 1.0 loaded (preempt=no,smp=no) Jun 4 19:53:36 old-laptop kernel: ndiswrapper: driver neta3ab (D-Link,10/22/2003,3.0.0.44) added Jun 4 19:53:36 old-laptop kernel: PCI: Enabling device 0000:02:00.0 (0000 -> 0002) Jun 4 19:53:36 old-laptop kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 Jun 4 19:53:36 old-laptop kernel: ndiswrapper: using irq 11 Jun 4 19:53:37 old-laptop kernel: wlan0: ndiswrapper ethernet device 00:0d:88:55:c5:e3 using driver neta3ab Jun 4 19:53:37 old-laptop kernel: wlan0: encryption modes supported: WEP, WPA with TKIP, WPA with AES/CCMP Jun 4 19:53:38 old-laptop dhclient: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 Jun 4 19:53:39 old-laptop dhclient: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 Jun 4 19:53:43 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 Jun 4 19:53:49 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 Jun 4 19:53:57 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10 Jun 4 19:54:02 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /bin/rpm -q --qf %{name} wpa_supplicant Jun 4 19:54:03 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: installed packages wpa_supplicant Jun 4 19:54:05 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: created file /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf Jun 4 19:54:05 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: changed mode of /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf to 600 Jun 4 19:54:05 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /sbin/chkconfig --add wpa_supplicant Jun 4 19:54:07 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 Jun 4 19:54:14 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 19 Jun 4 19:54:17 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 Jun 4 19:54:17 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/iftab Jun 4 19:54:17 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/iftab Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/sysconfig/network Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: removed files/directories /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/wlan0 Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: changed mode of /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 to 700 Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: written wlan0 interface configuration in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /bin/rpm -q --qf %{name} dhcp-client Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: removed files/directories /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/eth0 Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: changed mode of /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 to 755 Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: written eth0 interface configuration in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /bin/rpm -q --qf %{name} dhcp-client Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: writing host information to /etc/hosts Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: created file /etc/hosts Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: writing host information to /etc/hosts Jun 4 19:54:18 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: created file /etc/hosts Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/iftab Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/iftab Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/sysconfig/network Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: removed files/directories /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/wlan0 Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: changed mode of /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 to 700 Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: written wlan0 interface configuration in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /bin/rpm -q --qf %{name} dhcp-client Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: removed files/directories /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/eth0 Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: changed mode of /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 to 755 Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: written eth0 interface configuration in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /bin/rpm -q --qf %{name} dhcp-client Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: writing host information to /etc/hosts Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: created file /etc/hosts Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: writing host information to /etc/hosts Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: created file /etc/hosts Jun 4 19:54:20 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/modprobe.conf Jun 4 19:54:21 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: to put in /etc/modules nvram Jun 4 19:54:21 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/modules Jun 4 19:54:21 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: to put in /etc/modprobe.preload nvram, via-agp Jun 4 19:54:21 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: modified file /etc/modprobe.preload Jun 4 19:54:21 old-laptop drakconnect[24184]: running: /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart Jun 4 19:54:22 old-laptop network: Shutting down interface eth0: succeeded Jun 4 19:54:22 old-laptop network: Shutting down interface wlan0: succeeded Jun 4 19:54:23 old-laptop kernel: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1 Jun 4 19:54:23 old-laptop ifplugd(eth0)[14768]: Executing '/etc/ifplugd/ifplugd.action eth0 down'. Jun 4 19:54:23 old-laptop ifplugd(eth0)[14768]: Program executed successfully. Jun 4 19:54:23 old-laptop ifplugd(eth0)[14768]: Exiting. Jun 4 19:54:23 old-laptop network: Shutting down loopback interface: succeeded Jun 4 19:54:23 old-laptop network: Setting network parameters: succeeded Jun 4 19:54:24 old-laptop kernel: Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c03b26e0(lo) Jun 4 19:54:24 old-laptop network: Bringing up loopback interface: succeeded Jun 4 19:54:25 old-laptop ifplugd(eth0)[25062]: ifplugd 0.26 initializing. Jun 4 19:54:25 old-laptop kernel: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1 Jun 4 19:54:25 old-laptop ifplugd(eth0)[25062]: Using interface eth0/00:08:02:49:0F:72 with driver <8139too> (version: 0.9.27) Jun 4 19:54:25 old-laptop ifplugd(eth0)[25062]: Using detection mode: SIOCETHTOOL Jun 4 19:54:25 old-laptop ifplugd(eth0)[25062]: Initialization complete, link beat detected. Jun 4 19:54:25 old-laptop ifplugd(eth0)[25062]: Executing '/etc/ifplugd/ifplugd.action eth0 up'. Jun 4 19:54:25 old-laptop dhclient: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 Jun 4 19:54:25 old-laptop network: Bringing up interface eth0: succeeded Jun 4 19:54:25 old-laptop ifup: Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : Jun 4 19:54:25 old-laptop ifup: invalid argument "my-pre-shared-key". Jun 4 19:54:26 old-laptop ifup: Jun 4 19:54:26 old-laptop ifup: Determining IP information for wlan0... Jun 4 19:54:26 old-laptop dhclient: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 Jun 4 19:54:27 old-laptop last message repeated 2 times Jun 4 19:54:30 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 Jun 4 19:54:30 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPACK from 192.168.0.10 Jun 4 19:54:30 old-laptop dhclient: bound to 192.168.0.5 -- renewal in 279918 seconds. Jun 4 19:54:30 old-laptop ifplugd(eth0)[25062]: client: Determining IP information for eth0... done. Jun 4 19:54:31 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 Jun 4 19:54:32 old-laptop ifplugd(eth0)[25062]: Program executed successfully. Jun 4 19:54:34 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 Jun 4 19:54:40 old-laptop last message repeated 2 times Jun 4 19:54:43 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 Jun 4 19:54:47 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 Jun 4 19:54:56 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 14 Jun 4 19:55:00 old-laptop CROND[25434]: (mail) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news) Jun 4 19:55:10 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 15 Jun 4 19:55:25 old-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 Jun 4 19:55:32 old-laptop dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received. Jun 4 19:55:32 old-laptop ifup: failed. Jun 4 19:55:32 old-laptop network: Bringing up interface wlan0: failed And I can't get the wireless to work. I've searched (and found) tons of messages about the error "Set Encode" message that it kicks out, but no real solutions. Can anyone help? Thanks, Dan From rwh at visi.com Mon Jun 6 12:25:04 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jun 6 12:25:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] wpa encrypted wireless using ndis wrapper? In-Reply-To: <42A47FF9.7010908@gmail.com> References: <42A47FF9.7010908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A486F0.3060705@visi.com> I don't think the ndiswrapper tools supports WPA. You need to add in wpa_supplicant to make WPA fly. The details are at http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/WPA --rick Dan Armbrust wrote: > I'm trying to figure out how to set up my wireless card on my laptop, > using WPA-PSK. > > I just installed Mandrivia Limited Edition 2005 (Or mandrake 10.2) > > [snip] > Bringing up interface wlan0: failed > > > And I can't get the wireless to work. I've searched (and found) tons > of messages about the error "Set Encode" message that it kicks out, > but no real solutions. > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 12:46:45 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Mon Jun 6 12:47:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] wpa encrypted wireless using ndis wrapper? In-Reply-To: <42A486F0.3060705@visi.com> References: <42A47FF9.7010908@gmail.com> <42A486F0.3060705@visi.com> Message-ID: <42A48C05.8050606@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050606/ef4d87aa/attachment.htm From rclark at lakesplus.com Mon Jun 6 13:01:39 2005 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:01:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Mondo crash - Suse 9.0 Message-ID: (I have posted this to the mondo-develop list as well) I have installed mondo, mindi, etc. onto a Suse 9.0 machine. I get the error listed below when I run mondoarchive. I have taken a consistent set (cvs) of mondo, mindi, and newt from website. I have also gone to another page listed on mondorescue.org where they have the files that work for Suse 9 ... using a set from there (mondo, mindi, newt) I get the same error. I am backing it up to an nfs mount ... not sure if that matters or not. Suggestions would be appreciated. Log file attached. Thanks for the input in advance. Randy (thanks in advance) command used mondoarchive -Oi -d /mnt/suseback -E "/mnt/suseback /tmp /var/tmp" ... snip ... portion of output below ---evalcall---1--- Dividing filelist into sets ---evalcall---2--- TASK: [********************] 99% done; 0:01 to go ---evalcall---E--- Your backup will occupy approximately four media. Done. Copying Mondo's core files to the scratch directory Done. Calling MINDI to create boot+data disks Your boot loader is GRUB and it boots from /dev/hda //tmp.mondo.17936/tmp.mondo.22036 Boot+data disks were created OK cp: cannot stat `//mondo.scratch.10787/mondo.scratch.22397/images/all.tar.gz': No such file or directory Fatal error... Cannot find all.tar.gz in tmpdir ---FATALERROR--- Cannot find all.tar.gz in tmpdir If you require technical support, please contact the mailing list. See http://www.mondorescue.org for details. The list's members can help you, if you attach that file to your e-mail. Log file: /var/log/mondo-archive.log FYI, I have gzipped the log and saved it to /tmp/MA.log.gz Mondo has aborted. Execution run ended; result=254 Type 'less /var/log/mondo-archive.log' to see the output log From admin at lctn.org Mon Jun 6 13:05:49 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jun 6 13:08:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail newsgroup In-Reply-To: References: <2180.64.8.148.30.1118073010.squirrel@64.8.148.30> <2872.64.8.148.30.1118075395.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Message-ID: <4278.64.8.148.30.1118081149.squirrel@64.8.148.30> > You mean unless the mail is destined for particular domains? Yes, or IP's > If I'm reading this right, on the inbound box you have some school > district domains that you are scanning mail for, and need to forward their > mail on to them directly. Anything else, you want to be sent to the > outbound gateway? This is correct. The incoming gateway needs to (and is) forwarding inbound mail to domains inside our WAN. > In that case (if I understand your problem correctly), set the inbound > server to use the outbound one as a smarthost (look for "DS" at the > beginning of a line in sendmail.cf, and make the line look like:) > > DSoutbound.server.name This works, but it sends all mail to the outbound relay server. I need only mail from my local domain to be forwarded to the relay. That is why I thought having it IP based is better, since all mail that is forwarded to the schools is sent from my local domain. As I viewed messages in Mailwatch I could see it is causing a loop, so I disabled the DSoutbound.relay.server for now. > And then config the school domains in mailertable with the correct routing > info: > > edit /etc/mail/mailertable: > school1.com smtp:smtp.server.for.school1.com > school2.com smtp:smtp.server.for.school2.com My current config of the incoming gateway server has this. > And rebuild the mailertable hash: > $ makemap hash /etc/mail/mailertable < /etc/mail/mailertable > > This should force all your outgoing mail from the internal box to be > relayed through the outbound gateway, except for the domains that you put > in mailertable will be relayed to the mailservers you specify for each > domain. > That is what we need From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Mon Jun 6 14:59:40 2005 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jun 6 15:01:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Bad EIP Value; Kernel Panic In-Reply-To: <3071.208.42.98.10.1118076762.squirrel@webmail.bolverk.net> References: <3071.208.42.98.10.1118076762.squirrel@webmail.bolverk.net> Message-ID: <20050606195940.GA19507@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 12:52:42PM -0400, Tim Oudin wrote: > I've got a bit of an issue with a production server that needs to be back > up immediately. Since I have no backups of the data I'm struggling to > repair this machine. > > This server, running RH, version unknown but recent. I don't think it's > 9, 8.2 maybe. I don't know anything about how RH does business, I'm more > of a debian guy. > > Thanks! > > -- > ./timo > Did you try a reboot? I didn't see that in your email. The machine crashed hard. You can't do much to fix it. I would reboot and see what happens. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619, CISSP# 65668 From adam at whee.org Mon Jun 6 15:13:25 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jun 6 15:29:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail newsgroup In-Reply-To: <4278.64.8.148.30.1118081149.squirrel@64.8.148.30> References: <2180.64.8.148.30.1118073010.squirrel@64.8.148.30> <2872.64.8.148.30.1118075395.squirrel@64.8.148.30> <4278.64.8.148.30.1118081149.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Raymond Norton wrote: >> DSoutbound.server.name > > > This works, but it sends all mail to the outbound relay server. I need IIRC, mailertable should override smarthost. So, if the recipient domain has a mailertable entry, the mailertable entry will be used. If not, it will go to the smarthost. Are you not seeing mailertable override smarthost, or am I still not understanding this fully? From admin at lctn.org Mon Jun 6 15:37:16 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jun 6 15:37:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail newsgroup In-Reply-To: References: <2180.64.8.148.30.1118073010.squirrel@64.8.148.30> <2872.64.8.148.30.1118075395.squirrel@64.8.148.30> <4278.64.8.148.30.1118081149.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Message-ID: <1823.64.8.148.30.1118090236.squirrel@64.8.148.30> > IIRC, mailertable should override smarthost. So, if the recipient domain > has a mailertable entry, the mailertable entry will be used. If not, it > will go to the smarthost. Are you not seeing mailertable override > smarthost, or am I still not understanding this fully? Right, I have mailertable entries on my inbound gateway, but the messages are going to the relay server when I change DS to DSoutbound.relayserver. I assumed it was because my local domain is not in the mailertable. From adam at whee.org Mon Jun 6 15:39:38 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jun 6 15:55:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] sendmail newsgroup In-Reply-To: <1823.64.8.148.30.1118090236.squirrel@64.8.148.30> References: <2180.64.8.148.30.1118073010.squirrel@64.8.148.30> <2872.64.8.148.30.1118075395.squirrel@64.8.148.30> <4278.64.8.148.30.1118081149.squirrel@64.8.148.30> <1823.64.8.148.30.1118090236.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Raymond Norton wrote: >> IIRC, mailertable should override smarthost. So, if the recipient domain >> has a mailertable entry, the mailertable entry will be used. If not, it >> will go to the smarthost. Are you not seeing mailertable override >> smarthost, or am I still not understanding this fully? > > Right, I have mailertable entries on my inbound gateway, but the messages > are going to the relay server when I change DS to DSoutbound.relayserver. > I assumed it was because my local domain is not in the mailertable. How about removing the smarthost and adding: . smtp:outgoing.mail.server To the end of mailertable? That should function just like smarthost, but let the other more specific mailertable entries override the default. From rclark at lakesplus.com Mon Jun 6 16:03:42 2005 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jun 6 16:03:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Mondo crash - Suse 9.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just a follow-up. Turns out I had to remove the package bonnie++ to make it work. System is creating a full backup now ... I have to say I wasted a couple of days screwing around with this ... a few hours each day trying to figure out why it would not run as advertised. Grrrr!!!! Thought I would post the solution to make the record complete. Randy > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Randy Clarksean > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:02 PM > To: tclug > Subject: [tclug-list] Mondo crash - Suse 9.0 > > > > (I have posted this to the mondo-develop list as well) > > I have installed mondo, mindi, etc. onto a Suse 9.0 machine. I > get the error > listed below when I run mondoarchive. I have taken a consistent > set (cvs) of > mondo, mindi, and newt from website. I have also gone to another > page listed > on mondorescue.org where they have the files that work for Suse 9 > ... using > a set from there (mondo, mindi, newt) I get the same error. > > I am backing it up to an nfs mount ... not sure if that matters or not. > Suggestions would be appreciated. Log file attached. Thanks for > the input in > advance. > > Randy (thanks in advance) > > command used > > mondoarchive -Oi -d /mnt/suseback -E "/mnt/suseback /tmp /var/tmp" > > ... snip ... portion of output below > > > > ---evalcall---1--- Dividing filelist into sets > ---evalcall---2--- TASK: [********************] 99% done; 0:01 to go > ---evalcall---E--- > Your backup will occupy approximately four media. > Done. > Copying Mondo's core files to the scratch directory > Done. > Calling MINDI to create boot+data disks > Your boot loader is GRUB and it boots from /dev/hda > //tmp.mondo.17936/tmp.mondo.22036 > Boot+data disks were created OK > cp: cannot stat > `//mondo.scratch.10787/mondo.scratch.22397/images/all.tar.gz': No > such file > or directory > Fatal error... Cannot find all.tar.gz in tmpdir > ---FATALERROR--- Cannot find all.tar.gz in tmpdir > If you require technical support, please contact the mailing list. > See http://www.mondorescue.org for details. > The list's members can help you, if you attach that file to your e-mail. > Log file: /var/log/mondo-archive.log > FYI, I have gzipped the log and saved it to /tmp/MA.log.gz > Mondo has aborted. > Execution run ended; result=254 > Type 'less /var/log/mondo-archive.log' to see the output log > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Mon Jun 6 16:49:18 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jun 6 16:51:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <200506060203.j5623g522244@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B010.306@msoe.edu> <42A0B1CA.3010908@ryanorourke.org> <42A0B4CA.2060504@msoe.edu> <42A0BF62.6020703@ryanorourke.org> <42A0C544.6080200@gmail.com> <42A0ECC6.7040500@ryanorourke.org> <1118011120.7142.8.camel@bigtime.booze> <200506060203.j5623g522244@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1118094558.7142.24.camel@bigtime.booze> > I'm confused. Doesn't everyone use Cygwin/X (http://x.cygwin.com/) on > MS Windows, so they can run X applications on MS Windows? I dunno, personally I haven't even had windows on any of my own systems for the last ~3 years. And when I'm stuck in front of a Windows box at school, all the stuff I want to use (Firefox, Gimp, GAIM...) runs native on windows anyway these days. Which is far less intrusive than trying to install X... And I use VNC to access my home system remotely, as its stateless, and X11 protocol is too bloaty to work well over the internet anyway. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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NX allows usage of X-connections over real slow links like a Modem or ISDN. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. From michael.arolan at excite.com Mon Jun 6 21:47:10 2005 From: michael.arolan at excite.com (Michael) Date: Mon Jun 6 21:47:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New Venture Message-ID: <20050607024710.76A03B6D8@xprdmailfe18.nwk.excite.com> Guys – My colleague and I and entrepreneurs with 8+ years in the retail industry and also recently completed an MBA program at Carlson. We have two ventures we are currently working on and need developers to join our team. This is an opportunity to get involved with a leading-edge entrepreneurial venture. Since we are at the R&D stage, you will be compensated with stock options which you can turn to cash after we go “live” in six months. So if you’re tired of full-time employment that only covers your monthly expenses, why don’t you join us and to get involved with a venture as a partial owner. The skill-set we are looking for are as follows: Coldfussion developers Java developers Oracle developers You can contact me at Michael.aromolaran@elnuklabs.com or reply to this email. Regards Michael _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From brockn at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 23:30:48 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon Jun 6 23:31:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] question about find Message-ID: <741dcbb8050606213048866281@mail.gmail.com> I have two questions: 1. Does mailman add [tclug-list] to the subject automatically? The last time I asked a question it was not in the subject, I put it there manually this time. 2. I am using the following commmand: find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} -mtime +1 -o -mtime 1 ! -name ' LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; This will find files in $TARGET, owned by $USER, which are not named LogCleanup.list*, and have not been modifed in the last day or before. Correct? I am little ify on the -o command as I feel like it should be: find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} ( -mtime +1 -o -mtime 1 ) ! -name ' LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; Thanks Brock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Josh From nate at refried.org Tue Jun 7 10:44:40 2005 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Tue Jun 7 10:45:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Question on Apt Sources In-Reply-To: <42A5BE9F.50008@joshwelch.com> References: <42A5BE9F.50008@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <20050607154440.GA12801@refried.org> On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:34:55AM -0500, Josh Welch wrote: > Stupid question, now that Debian 3.1 is released do I need to change the > sources.list files on my Sarge boxes to point to stable main rather than > testing main? If they are pointing at "sarge" then no change is needed. If they are pointing at "testing" then you should change it to "stable" and add a line for the stable security updates. That is assuming you want to stick with the new stable series. If you want to start testing the next testing series, etch, just leave it. Nate From dru at druswanderings.net Tue Jun 7 10:48:22 2005 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Tue Jun 7 10:49:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Question on Apt Sources In-Reply-To: <42A5BE9F.50008@joshwelch.com> References: <42A5BE9F.50008@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <42A5C1C6.8050402@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Josh Welch wrote: > Stupid question, now that Debian 3.1 is released do I need to change the > sources.list files on my Sarge boxes to point to stable main rather than > testing main? If you wish to remain with Sarge, then yes. If you wish to remain with testing (soon to be renamed Etch), then leave them as-is. - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCpcHGiwhv4FBqkV8RAhFEAKCzhgC2qA5mf+fBF9rebDSf6zD9eACgk6na w/OMvamlhr3mmtljRbhQsAQ= =JO+w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From josh at joshwelch.com Tue Jun 7 10:52:31 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Tue Jun 7 10:55:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Question on Apt Sources In-Reply-To: <42A5C1C6.8050402@druswanderings.net> References: <42A5BE9F.50008@joshwelch.com> <42A5C1C6.8050402@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <42A5C2BF.5090708@joshwelch.com> The Wandering Dru wrote: > Josh Welch wrote: > >>>Stupid question, now that Debian 3.1 is released do I need to change the >>>sources.list files on my Sarge boxes to point to stable main rather than >>>testing main? > > > If you wish to remain with Sarge, then yes. If you wish to remain with > testing (soon to be renamed Etch), then leave them as-is. > I should have mentioned, yes I want to stay with Sarge. Thanks to Nate and Dru for this tidbit. From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Jun 7 11:34:33 2005 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Tue Jun 7 11:35:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] question about find In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8050606213048866281@mail.gmail.com> References: <741dcbb8050606213048866281@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050607113433.A844@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:30:48PM -0500, Brock Noland wrote: > I have two questions: > > 1. Does mailman add [tclug-list] to the subject automatically? The last time > I asked a question it was not in the subject, I put it there manually this > time. Yes, [tclug-list] should be added automatically. I didn't notice whether it was there for your previous message or not, but if it wasn't it might have been because you sent the message as both text/plain and text/html. Please send only plain text to the list. > 2. I am using the following commmand: > find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} -mtime +1 -o -mtime 1 ! -name ' > LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; > > This will find files in $TARGET, owned by $USER, which are not named > LogCleanup.list*, and have not been modifed in the last day or before. > > Correct? I am little ify on the -o command as I feel like it should be: > find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} ( -mtime +1 -o -mtime 1 ) ! -name ' > LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; I am not sure if I understand what you want, but if you want to use parenthesis in your expression, if you are testing this from a shell depending on which shell you are using, you may need to escape them. So the your second expression would be: find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} \( -mtime +1 -o -mtime 1 \) ! -name 'LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; If I understand what you want correctly, then I think that you could get the same results with: find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} -mtime +0 ! -name 'LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; The best way to test this kind of expression is just to replace your "gzip -f" with an "ls -l" and see if it finds the files that you want it to. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jun 7 15:59:45 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue Jun 7 15:59:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200506072059.j57KxjH26419@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 15inch Powerbook G4 for sale 15" PowerBook G4 1.5GHz 512MB RAM 80GB hard drive SuperDrive (CD-R/RW, DVD-R/RW) Airport Extreme (802.11g) AppleCare through November 2007ish Software I've bought for it (roughly $300 worth): Microsoft Office Student Edition Knights of the Old Republic Jedi Knight II Quicken PhotoRescue (registered version; recovers deleted files on Flash cards) QuickTime Pro (assuming it can be transferred) I'm asking $2100. It goes for around $2300 on their website, without any of the above software or AppleCare. I've only had it since November 2004. Seller Email address: foeclan at visi dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From poptix at poptix.net Tue Jun 7 17:19:39 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:21:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200506072059.j57KxjH26419@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200506072059.j57KxjH26419@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20050607221939.GK30982@momentum.poptix.net> Guess someone heard Apple is moving to x86 =P Sell that outdated PPC hardware now.. On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 03:59:45PM -0500, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: 15inch Powerbook G4 for sale -- Matthew S. Hallacy http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From brockn at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 17:25:38 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:25:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] question about find In-Reply-To: <20050607113433.A844@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <741dcbb8050606213048866281@mail.gmail.com> <20050607113433.A844@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <741dcbb80506071525155174d0@mail.gmail.com> Jim, thanks for SO many answers! The +0 setting is ingenious! Brock On 6/7/05, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:30:48PM -0500, Brock Noland wrote: > > I have two questions: > > > > 1. Does mailman add [tclug-list] to the subject automatically? The last time > > I asked a question it was not in the subject, I put it there manually this > > time. > > Yes, [tclug-list] should be added automatically. I didn't notice > whether it was there for your previous message or not, but if it > wasn't it might have been because you sent the message as both > text/plain and text/html. Please send only plain text to the > list. > > > 2. I am using the following commmand: > > find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} -mtime +1 -o -mtime 1 ! -name ' > > LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; > > > > This will find files in $TARGET, owned by $USER, which are not named > > LogCleanup.list*, and have not been modifed in the last day or before. > > > > Correct? I am little ify on the -o command as I feel like it should be: > > find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} ( -mtime +1 -o -mtime 1 ) ! -name ' > > LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; > > I am not sure if I understand what you want, but if you want to > use parenthesis in your expression, if you are testing this from > a shell depending on which shell you are using, you may need to > escape them. So the your second expression would be: > find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} \( -mtime +1 -o -mtime 1 \) ! -name 'LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; > > If I understand what you want correctly, then I think that you > could get the same results with: > find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} -mtime +0 ! -name 'LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; > > The best way to test this kind of expression is just to replace > your "gzip -f" with an "ls -l" and see if it finds the files that you > want it to. > > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons | > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 7 17:30:10 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:31:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <200506061702.05732.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <200506060203.j5623g522244@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1118094558.7142.24.camel@bigtime.booze> <200506061702.05732.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <53edaa34aeebb74f492f98e24caf74e7@haxxed.com> >> And I use VNC to access my home system remotely, as its stateless, and >> X11 protocol is too bloaty to work well over the internet anyway. > > That is why I use this instead. > > http://developer.berlios.de/projects/freenx/ This still appears to not be stateless. I like VNC because it can work like a 'screen' for graphical logins. From bbaptist at iexposure.com Tue Jun 7 17:41:44 2005 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:42:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <53edaa34aeebb74f492f98e24caf74e7@haxxed.com> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <200506061702.05732.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <53edaa34aeebb74f492f98e24caf74e7@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <200506071741.45015.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Tuesday 07 June 2005 5:30 pm, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >> And I use VNC to access my home system remotely, as its stateless, and > >> X11 protocol is too bloaty to work well over the internet anyway. > > > > That is why I use this instead. > > > > http://developer.berlios.de/projects/freenx/ > > This still appears to not be stateless. I like VNC because it can work > like a 'screen' for graphical logins. What do you mean by stateless? You can disconnect and then reconnect to that session with the same programs running later? If that is what you mean then you can do this with freenx. Bret. > > -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jun 7 18:22:00 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Tue Jun 7 18:23:59 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <200506071741.45015.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <200506061702.05732.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <53edaa34aeebb74f492f98e24caf74e7@haxxed.com> <200506071741.45015.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <4e6ab304f594201688b97f3f523fb113@haxxed.com> > What do you mean by stateless? You can disconnect and then reconnect > to that > session with the same programs running later? If that is what you > mean then > you can do this with freenx. Hmmm. Its web page is incredibly uninformative. Can it allow login to an existing X server running on the local video card like RealVNC can? From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Jun 7 18:36:11 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Jun 7 18:38:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] question about find In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80506071525155174d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <741dcbb8050606213048866281@mail.gmail.com> <20050607113433.A844@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <741dcbb80506071525155174d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Brock Noland wrote: > Jim, thanks for SO many answers! The +0 setting is ingenious! What does "-mtime +0" do? I'm not clear on the meaning of the "+". The man page doesn't help much. The info page is a little better but it isn't very clear either. Thanks. Mike >> I am not sure if I understand what you want, but if you want to >> use parenthesis in your expression, if you are testing this from >> a shell depending on which shell you are using, you may need to >> escape them. So the your second expression would be: >> find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} \( -mtime +1 -o -mtime 1 \) ! -name 'LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; >> >> If I understand what you want correctly, then I think that you >> could get the same results with: >> find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} -mtime +0 ! -name 'LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; From brockn at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 19:08:58 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Tue Jun 7 19:13:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] question about find In-Reply-To: References: <741dcbb8050606213048866281@mail.gmail.com> <20050607113433.A844@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <741dcbb80506071525155174d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb805060717087c321323@mail.gmail.com> The + is equilivilent to >. So it means greater than 0 days. Thanks Brock On 6/7/05, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Brock Noland wrote: > > > Jim, thanks for SO many answers! The +0 setting is ingenious! > > What does "-mtime +0" do? I'm not clear on the meaning of the "+". The > man page doesn't help much. The info page is a little better but it isn't > very clear either. Thanks. > > Mike > > > >> I am not sure if I understand what you want, but if you want to > >> use parenthesis in your expression, if you are testing this from > >> a shell depending on which shell you are using, you may need to > >> escape them. So the your second expression would be: > >> find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} \( -mtime +1 -o -mtime 1 \) ! -name 'LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; > >> > >> If I understand what you want correctly, then I think that you > >> could get the same results with: > >> find ${TARGET} -type f -user ${USER} -mtime +0 ! -name 'LogCleanup.list*' -exec gzip -f {} \; > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From auditodd at comcast.net Tue Jun 7 21:10:35 2005 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:12:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware testing.... Message-ID: <42A6539B.5030608@comcast.net> Hey guys & gals, I was given an HP ScanJet 7400C USB/SCSI scanner. Problem is, there was no power supply with it. New power supply is $45 from a local company, but going by how screwed up the "free" printer from the same source was I really don't want to pay $45 and find out the scanner is hosed. So, is there anyone out there that has one of these set up where I could drop this one in it's place and test it OR a "24volt DC, 1.5A output" power supply for an HP scanner that I could borrow to test the scanner functionality? Thanks much, Todd -- Todd Young -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.5 - Release Date: 6/7/2005 From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Jun 8 10:38:00 2005 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Wed Jun 8 10:38:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] run GUI app remotely In-Reply-To: <4e6ab304f594201688b97f3f523fb113@haxxed.com> References: <42A0AE20.4070501@ryanorourke.org> <200506071741.45015.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <4e6ab304f594201688b97f3f523fb113@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <200506081038.01275.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Tuesday 07 June 2005 6:22 pm, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > What do you mean by stateless? You can disconnect and then reconnect > > to that > > session with the same programs running later? If that is what you > > mean then > > you can do this with freenx. > > Hmmm. Its web page is incredibly uninformative. Can it allow login to > an existing X server running on the local video card like RealVNC can? > No it can't, it is more like using XDM to login remotely through SSH with crazy compression. The cool thing about it is that sessions can be suspended, unlike a normal X session. One thing to note about the suspended sessions, from what I can tell the programs in the suspended sessions are not actually running. It is more like suspend to disk on a laptop. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. From smac at visi.com Wed Jun 8 16:55:53 2005 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Wed Jun 8 17:08:13 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Hardware testing.... In-Reply-To: <42A6539B.5030608@comcast.net> References: <42A6539B.5030608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42A76969.5030301@visi.com> This place http://www.materialsprocessing.com/ Has AC adapters, take the machine with you to materials processing and find one that works! They charge $20 for AC adapters. Sam. Todd Young wrote: > Hey guys & gals, > > I was given an HP ScanJet 7400C USB/SCSI scanner. > Problem is, there was no power supply with it. > > New power supply is $45 from a local company, but going by how screwed > up the "free" printer from the same source was I really don't want to > pay $45 and find out the scanner is hosed. > > So, is there anyone out there that has one of these set up where I > could drop this one in it's place and test it OR a "24volt DC, 1.5A > output" power supply for an HP scanner that I could borrow to test the > scanner functionality? > > Thanks much, > Todd From admin at lctn.org Thu Jun 9 12:04:10 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu Jun 9 12:05:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mail server wont play nice Message-ID: <55523.64.8.149.194.1118336650.squirrel@64.8.149.194> I set up a new inbound mail gateway. It forwards mail to multiple domains inside our WAN. The change-over is working perfect for all domains, but one. The log files show "Deferred: Connection reset by domain name". When I attempt to telnet to it via port 25 I get Connected to domain name (x.x.x.x). Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. I have success sending mail and telneting from the original relay mail server (on the same subnet) To this same server. The tech on the other end has checked his settings and feels he has made the necessary allowances. Could it be the way my new server is talking on port 25? Raymond From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Jun 9 16:15:55 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Thu Jun 9 16:18:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] gcc -march with Xeon processor Message-ID: <20050609161555.00005030@prokofiev> Just curious, would -march=pentium4 be the best compiler flag for gcc (3.x) for compiling on a Xeon based server? 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Seller Email address: john dot meier at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From lists at chuckhays.net Thu Jun 9 16:56:14 2005 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Thu Jun 9 16:56:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] network "tunnel" question Message-ID: <1118354174.13370.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello all, I am trying to set up a good vnc solution so I can help users of multiple computers are a remote office. What I have is a netgear router, which I can configure as needed, but is currently forwarding some selected ports to a linux machine at 192.168.0.99, the router is 192.168.0.1. There are several windows machines each running vncserver. Internet - [worldip - router - 192.168.0.1] -- [linux machine - 192.168.0.99] + other windows machines What I need to do is to find a way to go through the linux machine to get the packets to the proper windows machine. I realize I could do this on the router, but it is nearly impossible to administrate remotely, so if I can accomplish this with the linux machine it would be great. Packets need to go to the router, then to the linux machine, then to the proper windows machine. Any hints on where to start with a problem like this? Thanks, -Chuck Hays lists@chuckhays.net From patrickm at citilink.com Thu Jun 9 22:13:45 2005 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Thu Jun 9 22:14:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] network 'tunnel' question In-Reply-To: <1118354174.13370.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1118354174.13370.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <19281.68.109.160.181.1118373225.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> This is what I do: I port forward ssh through the firewall to my inside linux box (192.168.0.99 in your case). Then from the client I ssh to the linux box and set up an ssh tunnel to the windows machine running vnc server, like this: # ssh -L 5900:192.168.0.100:5900 ip-that-gets-you-to-your-linux-box 192.168.0.100 is assumed to be a machine running vnc server. Then just bring up the vnc client and point it to localhost. If I am running the client on a windows machine, I use the cygwin ssh, but you can do it with PuTTY as well. Patrick McCabe > Hello all, > > I am trying to set up a good vnc solution so I can help users of > multiple computers are a remote office. > > What I have is a netgear router, which I can configure as needed, but > is currently forwarding some selected ports to a linux machine at > 192.168.0.99, the router is 192.168.0.1. There are several windows > machines each running vncserver. > > Internet - [worldip - router - 192.168.0.1] -- [linux machine - > 192.168.0.99] + other windows machines > > What I need to do is to find a way to go through the linux machine to > get the packets to the proper windows machine. I realize I could do > this on the router, but it is nearly impossible to administrate > remotely, so if I can accomplish this with the linux machine it would > be great. > > Packets need to go to the router, then to the linux machine, then to > the proper windows machine. > > Any hints on where to start with a problem like this? > > Thanks, > > -Chuck Hays > lists@chuckhays.net > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Fri Jun 10 07:27:17 2005 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Fri Jun 10 07:28:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] network 'tunnel' question In-Reply-To: <19281.68.109.160.181.1118373225.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> References: <1118354174.13370.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <19281.68.109.160.181.1118373225.squirrel@webmail.hockey.net> Message-ID: <1118406437.13370.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks, to you and a couple others that answered this question, I didn't realize this was so simple, I was under the impression that ssh port forwarding would forward ports only to the machine you were sshing into. Thanks! -Chuck Hays On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 22:13 -0500, Patrick McCabe wrote: > This is what I do: > > I port forward ssh through the firewall to my inside linux box (192.168.0.99 > in your case). Then from the client I ssh to the linux box and set up an ssh > tunnel to the windows machine running vnc server, like this: > > # ssh -L 5900:192.168.0.100:5900 ip-that-gets-you-to-your-linux-box > > 192.168.0.100 is assumed to be a machine running vnc server. > > Then just bring up the vnc client and point it to localhost. > > If I am running the client on a windows machine, I use the cygwin ssh, but > you can do it with PuTTY as well. > > Patrick McCabe > > > Hello all, > > > > I am trying to set up a good vnc solution so I can help users of > > multiple computers are a remote office. > > > > What I have is a netgear router, which I can configure as needed, but > > is currently forwarding some selected ports to a linux machine at > > 192.168.0.99, the router is 192.168.0.1. There are several windows > > machines each running vncserver. > > > > Internet - [worldip - router - 192.168.0.1] -- [linux machine - > > 192.168.0.99] + other windows machines > > > > What I need to do is to find a way to go through the linux machine to > > get the packets to the proper windows machine. I realize I could do > > this on the router, but it is nearly impossible to administrate > > remotely, so if I can accomplish this with the linux machine it would > > be great. > > > > Packets need to go to the router, then to the linux machine, then to > > the proper windows machine. > > > > Any hints on where to start with a problem like this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Chuck Hays > > lists@chuckhays.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From narshe at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 09:41:49 2005 From: narshe at gmail.com (Josh Close) Date: Fri Jun 10 09:44:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] gcc -march with Xeon processor In-Reply-To: <20050609161555.00005030@prokofiev> References: <20050609161555.00005030@prokofiev> Message-ID: <4a0cafe2050610074168868467@mail.gmail.com> On 6/9/05, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Just curious, would -march=pentium4 be the best compiler flag for gcc > (3.x) for compiling on a Xeon based server? Probably, you could check the gcc man pages also. There is a big list of what you can use. -- -Josh From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Jun 10 12:23:11 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:24:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] gcc -march with Xeon processor In-Reply-To: <4a0cafe2050610074168868467@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050609161555.00005030@prokofiev> <4a0cafe2050610074168868467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050610122311.0000493d@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:41:49 -0500 Josh Close wrote: > On 6/9/05, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > Just curious, would -march=pentium4 be the best compiler flag for > > gcc (3.x) for compiling on a Xeon based server? > > Probably, you could check the gcc man pages also. There is a big > list of what you can use. Yeah, I did - it doesn't make any mention of xeon, but I found some docs using google that indicate that -march=pentium4 is the optimum choice for a Xeon system. I tried it with my Debian woody box, but it failed, I'm going to try again after updating to sarge which moves gcc from the old 2.95.4 release to 3.3.something. Josh From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Jun 10 13:05:51 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Jun 10 13:06:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200506101805.j5AI5pG29306@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Misc-PC-Stuff I am looking to leave the state for a few months and cannot bring all my beloved computer hardware accumulated in my room. Please feel free to make reasonable offers! Again thank you for your time! 1. Samsung 170mp w/3 year warranty $320 2. Samsung 172n still new in box $200 3. G3 400mhzb-20g HD-ATI 128 pro-512 MB mem much more. $150 4. Two PIII 866mhz SL43J $22 5. Lexar 256MB USB2 key-chains Qty(4) $23 Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns: canito at dalan dot us. Seller Email address: canito at dalan dot us http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Jun 10 13:22:20 2005 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Fri Jun 10 13:20:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Windows XP window manager Message-ID: <42A9DA5C.1070000@knicknack.net> I'm working with Windows XP at work now and really miss some of the features of KDE (and other X window managers): highly configurable mulitple desktops, roll-up windows, transparency, etc. Is anyone on the list familiar with an alternate desktop manager for Windows XP that has some or all of these features? Even a nice desktop manager would be an improvement. TIA, Eric From JREYNOLDS5 at mn.rr.com Fri Jun 10 13:40:39 2005 From: JREYNOLDS5 at mn.rr.com (JREYNOLDS5@mn.rr.com) Date: Fri Jun 10 13:42:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Windows XP window manager Message-ID: <9f7ba19f8cd9.9f8cd99f7ba1@rdc-kc.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Stanley Date: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:22 pm Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Windows XP window manager > I'm working with Windows XP at work now and really miss some of the > features of KDE (and other X window managers): highly configurable > mulitple desktops, roll-up windows, transparency, etc. Is anyone on the > list familiar with an alternate desktop manager for Windows XP that > has some or all of these features? Even a nice desktop manager would be > an improvement. Windows Powertoys has a Virtual Desktop Manager to manage up to four desktops from the Windows taskbar. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx http://www.actualtools.com/windowmanager/ seems to have some of the features you are looking for. I can't remember which program I've used before, but noticed some stability issues after it was running for a while. From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 13:57:19 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Fri Jun 10 13:58:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Windows XP window manager In-Reply-To: <9f7ba19f8cd9.9f8cd99f7ba1@rdc-kc.rr.com> References: <9f7ba19f8cd9.9f8cd99f7ba1@rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: <42A9E28F.1050300@gmail.com> > > >Windows Powertoys has a Virtual Desktop Manager to manage up to four >desktops from the Windows taskbar. > >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx > It also has the really annoying "feature" of rearranging all of your application tabs at the bottom of the screen randomly whenever you change from one desktop to another, and back again. If you have a multiple monitor NVidea video card, it comes with a great suite of tools for managing multiple monitors (and also multiple desktops, if I recall correctly) Dan > > From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Jun 10 14:09:11 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Fri Jun 10 14:10:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Windows XP window manager In-Reply-To: <42A9DA5C.1070000@knicknack.net> References: <42A9DA5C.1070000@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20050610140911.00001059@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:22:20 -0500 Eric Stanley wrote: > I'm working with Windows XP at work now and really miss some of the > features of KDE (and other X window managers): highly configurable > mulitple desktops, roll-up windows, transparency, etc. Is anyone on > the list familiar with an alternate desktop manager for Windows XP > that has some or all of these features? Even a nice desktop manager > would be an improvement. Not sure if it has everything you're looking for, but I love goScreen: http://www.goscreen.info/ I think a license is under $30.00 Josh From smac at visi.com Fri Jun 10 14:33:05 2005 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Fri Jun 10 14:34:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Windows XP window manager In-Reply-To: <42A9DA5C.1070000@knicknack.net> References: <42A9DA5C.1070000@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <1118431985.42a9eaf1791d8@my.visi.com> Take a look at this link to the M$ site I use part Virtual Desktop Manager where I can manage several desktops. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx Sam. Quoting Eric Stanley : > I'm working with Windows XP at work now and really miss some of the > features of KDE (and other X window managers): highly configurable > mulitple desktops, roll-up windows, transparency, etc. Is anyone on the > list familiar with an alternate desktop manager for Windows XP that has > some or all of these features? Even a nice desktop manager would be an > improvement. > > TIA, > > Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Jun 10 14:45:27 2005 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Fri Jun 10 14:46:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Windows XP window manager In-Reply-To: <42A9DA5C.1070000@knicknack.net> References: <42A9DA5C.1070000@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20050610194527.GC30936@fireopal.org> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 01:22:20PM -0500, Eric Stanley wrote: > I'm working with Windows XP at work now and really miss some of the > features of KDE (and other X window managers): highly configurable > mulitple desktops, roll-up windows, transparency, etc. Is anyone on the > list familiar with an alternate desktop manager for Windows XP that has > some or all of these features? Even a nice desktop manager would be an > improvement. Try the software from http://www.stardock.com/ - you may want the whole Object Desktop suite. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From nate at refried.org Fri Jun 10 15:01:57 2005 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Fri Jun 10 15:02:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] gcc -march with Xeon processor In-Reply-To: <20050609161555.00005030@prokofiev> References: <20050609161555.00005030@prokofiev> Message-ID: <20050610200157.GA22502@refried.org> On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 04:15:55PM -0500, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Just curious, would -march=pentium4 be the best compiler flag for gcc > (3.x) for compiling on a Xeon based server? It depends on which generation Xeon you're running. IIRC, Xeons have been around since Pentium II. Perhaps /proc/cpuinfo will give you a clue as to which -march to use. Nate From john.meier at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 15:20:32 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Fri Jun 10 15:20:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Windows XP window manager In-Reply-To: <42A9DA5C.1070000@knicknack.net> References: <42A9DA5C.1070000@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <65293fcc050610132050532a9f@mail.gmail.com> > Is anyone on the > list familiar with an alternate desktop manager for Windows XP that has > some or all of these features? Litestep? www.litestep.org - I don't know if it's still active - but I know it was on the gnuwin cdrom last time I checked: http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/apps/litestep/en/index.html _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050610/565a6950/attachment.htm From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Jun 10 16:10:56 2005 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Fri Jun 10 16:12:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] gcc -march with Xeon processor In-Reply-To: <20050610200157.GA22502@refried.org> References: <20050609161555.00005030@prokofiev> <20050610200157.GA22502@refried.org> Message-ID: <20050610161056.00007137@mn02ws1trutwij.na.wkglobal.com> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:01:57 -0500 nate@refried.org (Nate Straz) wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 04:15:55PM -0500, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > Just curious, would -march=pentium4 be the best compiler flag for > > gcc (3.x) for compiling on a Xeon based server? > > It depends on which generation Xeon you're running. IIRC, Xeons > have been around since Pentium II. Perhaps /proc/cpuinfo will give > you a clue as to which -march to use. They are somewhat recent (2 years or so) model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz Josh From kc0itq at perrinetech.com Fri Jun 10 17:52:36 2005 From: kc0itq at perrinetech.com (Ian Boje) Date: Fri Jun 10 17:54:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Windows XP window manager In-Reply-To: <42A9E28F.1050300@gmail.com> References: <9f7ba19f8cd9.9f8cd99f7ba1@rdc-kc.rr.com> <42A9E28F.1050300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42AA19B4.90205@perrinetech.com> Dan Armbrust wrote: >> >> >> Windows Powertoys has a Virtual Desktop Manager to manage up to four >> desktops from the Windows taskbar. >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx >> > > It also has the really annoying "feature" of rearranging all of your > application tabs at the bottom of the screen randomly whenever you > change from one desktop to another, and back again. > You might try virtuawin (http://virtuawin.sourceforge.net/). It has less "Features". I use it it work, and so long as no applications lock up, it seems to work great. It isn't just like the KDE one, but I think there is a plugin that can be installed to make it clickable. Ian From ces.fci at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 15:22:48 2005 From: ces.fci at gmail.com (fci) Date: Sat Jun 11 15:22:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] exim: match email with regex then pipe to script Message-ID: currently we can only manually do: blah@domain.com: |/path/to/script I want to be able to do something like this: /^(\w+)\-group@domain.com$/: |/path/to/script clayton From ces.fci at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 15:30:12 2005 From: ces.fci at gmail.com (fci) Date: Sat Jun 11 15:30:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: exim: match email with regex then pipe to script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: correction, if something like this would work, it would be fine as well.. *-group@domain.com: |/path/to/script which works if I send it to "*-group@domain.com" .. so it doesn't check for a match.. clayton On 6/11/05, fci wrote: > currently we can only manually do: > blah@domain.com: |/path/to/script > > I want to be able to do something like this: > /^(\w+)\-group@domain.com$/: |/path/to/script > > clayton > From ces.fci at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 16:02:17 2005 From: ces.fci at gmail.com (fci) Date: Sat Jun 11 16:02:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: exim: match email with regex then pipe to script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: alright.. problem resolved.. I was going about it the wrong way from the beginning... my filter: # Exim filter if error_message then finish endif if $header_to: matches "-group@" then // do stuff endif reference: http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.40/doc/html/filter_3.html c On 6/11/05, fci wrote: > correction, if something like this would work, it would be fine as well.. > *-group@domain.com: |/path/to/script > > which works if I send it to "*-group@domain.com" .. so it doesn't > check for a match.. > > clayton > > On 6/11/05, fci wrote: > > currently we can only manually do: > > blah@domain.com: |/path/to/script > > > > I want to be able to do something like this: > > /^(\w+)\-group@domain.com$/: |/path/to/script > > > > clayton > > > From c_tclug_mlgen_0506 at sort.speedpost.net Sun Jun 12 13:41:24 2005 From: c_tclug_mlgen_0506 at sort.speedpost.net (c_tclug_mlgen_0506@sort.speedpost.net) Date: Sun Jun 12 13:43:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Continuing Ed Classes in Twin Cities? Message-ID: <1118601684.31932.236193018@webmail.messagingengine.com> . Are there any Continuing Education classes in the Twin Cities that give a brief intro to installing/using/updating Linux on a PC? (Total hours between 2 and 16 hours, or so.) Thank you. . From auditodd at comcast.net Sun Jun 12 23:06:17 2005 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Sun Jun 12 23:07:15 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Continuing Ed Classes in Twin Cities? In-Reply-To: <1118601684.31932.236193018@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1118601684.31932.236193018@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <42AD0639.1070204@comcast.net> CompuMaster offers an Intro to Linux course. I attended it courtesty of my current employer and was very impressed with the class. If I remember correctly, my instructor was Chris Clark, and he know what he was talking about. I had a background in Irix and had worked at home on Linux so I knew there would be some repetition, but I still learned a lot. The course is $895 for two days if I remember correctly. Todd c_tclug_mlgen_0506@sort.speedpost.net wrote: > . > Are there any Continuing Education classes in the Twin Cities that give > a brief intro to installing/using/updating Linux on a PC? (Total hours > between 2 and 16 hours, or so.) > > Thank you. -- Todd Young -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 From trutwijd at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 12:33:46 2005 From: trutwijd at yahoo.com (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jun 13 12:35:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian sarge upgrade = LILO error Message-ID: <20050613173346.59797.qmail@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was undergoing my second woody->sarge upgrade - after the upgrade was complete I rebooted to find the LILO error code "LI". >From googling I guess this means: "The first stage boot loader was able to load the second stage boot loader, but has failed to execute it. This can either be caused by a geometry mismatch or by moving /boot/boot.b without running the map installer." I'm not sure why this happened, the release notes didn't seem to mention anything needing to change for the boot loader. I don't have a boot floppy for this box (shame on me, I know) so I'm downloading knoppix. I also don't have a CD drive (though I guess I could find one somewhere...) so I'm making a boot floppy from Knoppix. My hope is that I can boot up this floppy and re-run / reinstall lilo to fix this issue. Anyone with experience with this problem have any other pointers? I'd love to avoid re-installing everything, I do have backups of all the config files, but it's still a pain. Thanks, Josh __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From poptix at poptix.net Mon Jun 13 12:43:45 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jun 13 12:45:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian sarge upgrade = LILO error In-Reply-To: <20050613173346.59797.qmail@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050613173346.59797.qmail@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050613174345.GB3467@momentum.poptix.net> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 10:33:46AM -0700, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Anyone with experience with this problem have any > other pointers? I'd love to avoid re-installing > everything, I do have backups of all the config files, > but it's still a pain. Boot a rescue CD, mount /, run lilo. Reboot, install grub. After you copy your data off, install Fedora. -- Matthew S. Hallacy http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From admin at lctn.org Mon Jun 13 12:53:24 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jun 13 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] I needed something to do Message-ID: <4172.64.8.148.30.1118685204.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Long story, but I just deleted everything in /root. I have never really needed to recover anything in linux, so the tools are new to me. I tried recover and debugfs, but they show "0 deleted inodes found". Debugfs /dev/sda2 shows: 2 (12) . 2 (12) .. 11 (20) lost+found 9388033 (12) boot 16875521 (12) dev 18268161 (12) proc 8568833 (12) sys 546237 (28) .autofsck 18186241 (12) var 6963201 (12) tmp 8896513 (12) etc 7716866 (12) root 1605633 (12) usr 14827521 (12) lib 11567105 (12) bin 19005441 (12) home 18497537 (16) initrd 17121281 (12) mnt 3162113 (12) opt 11911169 (12) sbin 7274497 (16) selinux 2048001 (12) misc 5832705 (16) tftpboot 6733825 (20) .automount 32769 (12) udev 4407298 (64) data 15 (3688) .fonts.cache-1 Any idea how to successfully retrieve the data? Raymond From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 13:18:14 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Mon Jun 13 13:19:24 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] I needed something to do In-Reply-To: <4172.64.8.148.30.1118685204.squirrel@64.8.148.30> References: <4172.64.8.148.30.1118685204.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Message-ID: <42ADCDE6.90706@gmail.com> Its my understanding that if you are using ext3 - you are SOL. for ext2 there are various "undelete" tools available - though I can't think of any off the top of my head. Probably different for each file system type. Dan Raymond Norton wrote: >Long story, but I just deleted everything in /root. I have never really >needed to recover anything in linux, so the tools are new to me. I tried >recover and debugfs, but they show "0 deleted inodes found". > >Debugfs /dev/sda2 shows: >2 (12) . 2 (12) .. 11 (20) lost+found 9388033 (12) boot > 16875521 (12) dev 18268161 (12) proc 8568833 (12) sys > 546237 (28) .autofsck 18186241 (12) var 6963201 (12) tmp > 8896513 (12) etc 7716866 (12) root 1605633 (12) usr > 14827521 (12) lib 11567105 (12) bin 19005441 (12) home > 18497537 (16) initrd 17121281 (12) mnt 3162113 (12) opt > 11911169 (12) sbin 7274497 (16) selinux 2048001 (12) misc > 5832705 (16) tftpboot 6733825 (20) .automount 32769 (12) udev > 4407298 (64) data 15 (3688) .fonts.cache-1 > >Any idea how to successfully retrieve the data? > > > >Raymond > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From scotjenkins at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 20:12:36 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jun 13 20:13:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian sarge upgrade = LILO error In-Reply-To: <20050613173346.59797.qmail@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050613173346.59797.qmail@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/13/05, Josh Trutwin wrote: > I was undergoing my second woody->sarge upgrade - > after the upgrade was complete I rebooted to find the > LILO error code "LI". You don't _need_ to upgrade your kernel but if you do, you need to edit lilo.conf and rerun lilo. Sarge will work just fine with your existing kernel (at least in my experience with a 2.4.x kernel). You do need to have CONFIG_TMPFS=y in your kernel though because /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs requires it. The system will boot and function just fine but you'll see mount bitch several times during the boot process. I ran into the same "LI" issue when I upgraded my kernel. I have a cdrom drive so I just booted an old woody CD into rescue mode, mounted my root partition and re-ran lilo. If you upgrade lilo to the sarge version, you need to edit /etc/lilo.conf; the "install=" section changed. It used to be install=/boot/boot.b, now you use install=text (or bmp, or menu) depending on what you want. You might want to review the release notes before your next upgrade, especially the section on "before you reboot": http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-nownownow If lilo worked before on your hardware, there's no need switch to grub or install Fedora over Debian. This was my first major Debian update and I think it was the smoothest *nix OS upgrade I've ever done. Scot From scotjenkins at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 20:14:28 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jun 13 20:20:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] I needed something to do In-Reply-To: <4172.64.8.148.30.1118685204.squirrel@64.8.148.30> References: <4172.64.8.148.30.1118685204.squirrel@64.8.148.30> Message-ID: On 6/13/05, Raymond Norton wrote: > Long story, but I just deleted everything in /root. I have never really > needed to recover anything in linux, so the tools are new to me. I tried > recover and debugfs, but they show "0 deleted inodes found". > > Debugfs /dev/sda2 shows: > 2 (12) . 2 (12) .. 11 (20) lost+found 9388033 (12) boot > 16875521 (12) dev 18268161 (12) proc 8568833 (12) sys > 546237 (28) .autofsck 18186241 (12) var 6963201 (12) tmp > 8896513 (12) etc 7716866 (12) root 1605633 (12) usr > 14827521 (12) lib 11567105 (12) bin 19005441 (12) home > 18497537 (16) initrd 17121281 (12) mnt 3162113 (12) opt > 11911169 (12) sbin 7274497 (16) selinux 2048001 (12) misc > 5832705 (16) tftpboot 6733825 (20) .automount 32769 (12) udev > 4407298 (64) data 15 (3688) .fonts.cache-1 > > Any idea how to successfully retrieve the data? I'm going to be sarcastic, "you do have backups, right?" scot From david.alitz at earthlink.net Mon Jun 13 22:50:37 2005 From: david.alitz at earthlink.net (Dave Alitz) Date: Mon Jun 13 22:49:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Unanticipated Debian Upgrade Message-ID: <42AE540D.2050900@earthlink.net> I did something really stupid this afternoon, and I wanted to share... While doing a little maintenance on the user accounts on a production box I was also getting ready to upgrade a Woody development box to Sarge. I did a dist-upgrade and everything was proceeding swimmingly when I figured out I was in the wrong terminal window. What are the chances that my production box will come through unscathed? Oh, by the way, I guess I should mention that /boot is a md (raid 1) device and root (/) is a lvm volume on a separate md (raid 1) device. It's still up and running at the moment. I'm getting a good backup of things now. Anybody have any recommendations on what I should check/fix/change before I try a reboot? Thanks, Dave Alitz From bhartm at visi.com Mon Jun 13 23:34:51 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Mon Jun 13 23:29:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Unanticipated Debian Upgrade In-Reply-To: <42AE540D.2050900@earthlink.net> References: <42AE540D.2050900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42AE5E6B.6070200@visi.com> I'm gonna be struck by lightning, I just know it. try which reboot Dave Alitz wrote: > I did something really stupid this afternoon, and I wanted to share... > > While doing a little maintenance on the user accounts on a production > box I was also getting ready to upgrade a Woody development box to > Sarge. I did a dist-upgrade and everything was proceeding swimmingly > when I figured out I was in the wrong terminal window. What are the > chances that my production box will come through unscathed? > > Oh, by the way, I guess I should mention that /boot is a md (raid 1) > device and root (/) is a lvm volume on a separate md (raid 1) device. > It's still up and running at the moment. I'm getting a good backup of > things now. Anybody have any recommendations on what I should > check/fix/change before I try a reboot? > > Thanks, > > Dave Alitz > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From david.alitz at earthlink.net Wed Jun 15 09:45:09 2005 From: david.alitz at earthlink.net (David Alitz) Date: Wed Jun 15 09:45:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mail server wont play nice In-Reply-To: <55523.64.8.149.194.1118336650.squirrel@64.8.149.194> References: <55523.64.8.149.194.1118336650.squirrel@64.8.149.194> Message-ID: <42B03EF5.9090601@earthlink.net> sendmail? I had a problem with sendmail when I added ssl and auth support. I added a certificate for the server, but I didn't define one for the client. Whenever the outbound connection hit another server capable of ssl, it attempted to authenticate and establish an encrypted client connection. Without a client certificate it always failed. The "Deferred: Connection reset..." was the only clue in the log files. I tried to figure out how to get it to fall back to an unencrypted connection; but apparently sendmail doesn't like to do that. I resolved it by defining the server certificate as the client certificate too. Make sure you have a valid entry for: define(`confCLIENT_CERT', `/etc/mail/tls/sendmail.pem')dnl # path to server certificate define(`confCLIENT_KEY', `/etc/mail/tls/sendmail.pem')dnl # make sure it's unencrypted in your sendmail.mc and regenerate your sendmail.conf. Dave Alitz Raymond Norton wrote: >I set up a new inbound mail gateway. It forwards mail to multiple domains >inside our WAN. The change-over is working perfect for all domains, but >one. The log files show "Deferred: Connection reset by domain name". When >I attempt to telnet to it via port 25 I get Connected to domain name >(x.x.x.x). >Escape character is '^]'. >Connection closed by foreign host. > > >I have success sending mail and telneting from the original relay mail >server (on the same subnet) To this same server. The tech on the other end >has checked his settings and feels he has made the necessary allowances. > >Could it be the way my new server is talking on port 25? > > >Raymond > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From jsanborn at earthlink.net Wed Jun 15 16:04:55 2005 From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn) Date: Wed Jun 15 16:05:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Netatalk problems Message-ID: Hi, I had netatalk running just fine on Fedora Core 3. I'm connecting with a Mac OS 8.6. I'm certain there is nothing wrong on the Mac. But it stopped connecting for some reason. The only thing I can think of that I did was add a printer to the Linux machine that prints to an HP printer connected to a Windows 2003 server. The Windows machines also connect to a Samba share on the same directory that netatalk shares to the Mac. Now, I open the chooser, click on Appleshare, click the button to enter an IP address, I get a login, and when I enter a user name and password it hangs. The Mac doesn't completely hang. I can force quit the chooser and the Mac still operates, it just won't connect to the Linux server. I've been over the netatalk setup till my eyeballs are bulging but I can't figure out what's wrong. I'm kinda new at this so that's not saying a whole lot. What I need is a 1-2-3 on the most basic setup. I'm only connecting one machine and I don't need anything complicated. I haven't tried removing the printer because that just seems stupid that adding a printer would hose netatalk, but maybe I should try it anyway. Any suggestions? Thanks, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Contact me off list if you are interested. -- Tom Penney From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Jun 17 06:56:20 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Jun 17 06:58:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200506171156.j5HBuKg02482@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want for Free Subject: 1GB or larager ultra SCSI drive I'm looking for an ultra scsi drive that's 1GB or larger that someone's not using. Thanks. Seller Email address: jpschewe at mtu dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From tclug at freakzilla.com Sat Jun 18 20:53:04 2005 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sat Jun 18 20:54:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Grub equiv of LILO's map-to Message-ID: Hey guys, I upgraded my machine to the AMD64 versiohn of debian a couple days ago. So far almost everything is running smoothly, which is pretty cool. One problem I'm having is the installer kinda insisted on installing grub rather than lilo. Fine, I've always wanted to try grub out. Seems nice, I see some advantages over LILO already. The problem is, I can't seem to boot into OSes on a different drive (I have Windows on my secondary drive for the occasional gaming/GPS session). When I was using LILO, I had to do the whole MAP 0x80 to 0x81, so that the bootloader reversed the drives before booting. Or something. Is there an equivalent in grub? The entry that's there now is: title Microsoft Windows XP Professional root (hd1,0) savedefault makeactive chainloader +1 /boot/grub/device.map has the correct information (hd0 is /dev/sda, hd1 is /dev/sdb). When I try to boot into that, it just hangs. Anyone? -Yaron -- From tclug at natecarlson.com Sat Jun 18 21:33:31 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Sat Jun 18 21:46:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Grub equiv of LILO's map-to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Yaron wrote: > The problem is, I can't seem to boot into OSes on a different drive (I > have Windows on my secondary drive for the occasional gaming/GPS > session). When I was using LILO, I had to do the whole MAP 0x80 to 0x81, > so that the bootloader reversed the drives before booting. Or something. > > Is there an equivalent in grub? The entry that's there now is: > <...> Google 'I Feel Lucky' for 'grub 0x80': http://www.mepis.org/node/5782 Search for '0x80' on page: "You need to use "map" commands if windo$ is not on hda. Example Grub Entry With Windows On hdb: title windows root (hd1,0) map (0x81) (0x80) map (0x80) (0x81) makeactive chainloader +1" :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tclug at freakzilla.com Sat Jun 18 21:49:47 2005 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sat Jun 18 21:50:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Grub equiv of LILO's map-to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Nate Carlson wrote: > Google 'I Feel Lucky' for 'grub 0x80': *lol* the /one/ thing I didn't google for! -Yaron -- From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Jun 20 13:05:13 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jun 20 13:07:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora and SMTP In-Reply-To: <200506071556.j57FuI91028719@delta.twp-llc.com> References: <200506071556.j57FuI91028719@delta.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <38770.192.28.2.17.1119290713.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Hey folks, I recently upgraded my home server to Fedora Core 4, and now I can't send e-mail using port 25 and TLS. I disabled the firewall (I'm using a router) so now I can READ e-mail with IMAP, but sending is still gone. A quick pointer to xinetd stuff and things like that would be appreciated, or if this topic has come up, a pointer to that discussion would be most helpful. Many thanks, Chris Schumann From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Jun 20 19:21:49 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jun 20 19:23:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora and SMTP In-Reply-To: <42B70C20.30508@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <200506210030.j5L0U1lB028178@delta.twp-llc.com> > From: Steve Hanson [mailto:shanson@cruiskeen.com] > Chris Schumann wrote: > > I recently upgraded my home server to Fedora Core 4, and > now I can't > > send e-mail using port 25 and TLS. > > > > I disabled the firewall (I'm using a router) so now I can > READ e-mail > > with IMAP, but sending is still gone. > Mostly like you haven't configured sendmail to allow it to > accept connections from other servers. And if you're trying > to STARTTLS you have more work to do - > > Go look in your sendmail.mc file - you at least need to > comment out the DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, > Name=MTA')dnl line in the file. Then read the rest of the > stuff re authentication in the file, and make the appropriate > adjustments. > Then remake the sendmail.cf file from the source and you > should be good to go. > > xinetd doesn't have anything to do with it - sendmail starts > as its own persistent daemon. Thanks to Steve and Raymond for the quick replies, but it looks like I wasn't clear. Running Fedora Core 3, everything was fine. The upgrade to FC4 make Sendmail not work. It doesn't look like the sendmail.mc changed at all. Any other tips? Chris From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Mon Jun 20 19:48:19 2005 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jun 20 19:50:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] mail server wont play nice In-Reply-To: <42B03EF5.9090601@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <021101c575fa$ec715010$0439a8c0@Kurama> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of David Alitz > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:45 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] mail server wont play nice > > sendmail? > > I had a problem with sendmail when I added ssl and auth support. I > added a certificate for the server, but I didn't define one for the > client. Whenever the outbound connection hit another server capable of > ssl, it attempted to authenticate and establish an encrypted client > connection. Without a client certificate it always failed. The > "Deferred: Connection reset..." was the only clue in the log files. > > I tried to figure out how to get it to fall back to an unencrypted > connection; but apparently sendmail doesn't like to do that. I resolved > it by defining the server certificate as the client certificate too. > Make sure you have a valid entry for: > > define(`confCLIENT_CERT', `/etc/mail/tls/sendmail.pem')dnl # path > to server certificate > define(`confCLIENT_KEY', `/etc/mail/tls/sendmail.pem')dnl # make > sure it's unencrypted > > in your sendmail.mc and regenerate your sendmail.conf. > > Dave Alitz > If you add "Try_TLS: NO" to the access file in the sendmail directory and rebuild the access.db file, sendmail will stop trying to use TLS to the listed mail server. I had to use this with usa.net smtp server. The usa.net server will do TLS if you pay extra for that service. I don't send enough mail to make that economical. Joseph Key From admin at lctn.org Mon Jun 20 21:16:47 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jun 20 21:17:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora and SMTP In-Reply-To: <200506210030.j5L0U1lB028178@delta.twp-llc.com> References: <42B70C20.30508@cruiskeen.com> <200506210030.j5L0U1lB028178@delta.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <51098.209.176.212.10.1119320207.squirrel@209.176.212.10> > Thanks to Steve and Raymond for the quick replies, but it looks like I > wasn't clear. Running Fedora Core 3, everything was fine. The upgrade to > FC4 > make Sendmail not work. It doesn't look like the sendmail.mc changed at > all. Can you telnet to port 25 of the server? From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Jun 21 07:18:38 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Tue Jun 21 07:19:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora and SMTP In-Reply-To: <51098.209.176.212.10.1119320207.squirrel@209.176.212.10> Message-ID: <200506211227.j5LCRJB8028825@delta.twp-llc.com> > From: Raymond Norton [mailto:admin@lctn.org] >From me: > > Running Fedora Core 3, everything was fine. The upgrade > > to FC4 > > make Sendmail not work. It doesn't look like the > > sendmail.mc changed at all. > Can you telnet to port 25 of the server? Yes I can. Next step? Thank you for the hand holding. I forget details when Fedora just works until I go break it! From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Jun 21 07:29:46 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Tue Jun 21 07:31:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora and SMTP In-Reply-To: <51098.209.176.212.10.1119320207.squirrel@209.176.212.10> Message-ID: <200506211238.j5LCcRcJ028831@delta.twp-llc.com> > From: Raymond Norton [mailto:admin@lctn.org] > > make Sendmail not work. It doesn't look like the > > sendmail.mc changed > > at all. I was on dope when I wrote that... sort of. The FC4 update did not change sendmail.mc, but it did change sendmail.cf. How convenient. I've done a diff and will look over that. I'll post my results for history, unless of course someone else does it first. Chris From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Jun 21 08:35:15 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue Jun 21 08:37:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fedora and SMTP In-Reply-To: <3003108.1119356713816.JavaMail.root@Sniper26> References: <3003108.1119356713816.JavaMail.root@Sniper26> Message-ID: <200506210835.16447.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Tuesday 21 June 2005 07:18 am, Chris Schumann wrote: > > From: Raymond Norton [mailto:admin@lctn.org] > > > >From me: > > > Running Fedora Core 3, everything was fine. The upgrade > > > to FC4 > > > make Sendmail not work. It doesn't look like the > > > sendmail.mc changed at all. > > > > Can you telnet to port 25 of the server? > > Yes I can. Next step? > > Thank you for the hand holding. I forget details when Fedora just works > until I go break it! > Try sending an email to an e-mail account at gmail.com or something. http://www.krytosvirus.com/text/telnetmail.html From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Jun 21 09:25:10 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Tue Jun 21 09:25:17 2005 Subject: Solved! RE: [tclug-list] Fedora and SMTP In-Reply-To: <51098.209.176.212.10.1119320207.squirrel@209.176.212.10> References: <42B70C20.30508@cruiskeen.com> <200506210030.j5L0U1lB028178@delta.twp-llc.com> <51098.209.176.212.10.1119320207.squirrel@209.176.212.10> Message-ID: <30600.192.28.2.17.1119363910.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Raymond Norton said: > Can you telnet to port 25 of the server? I sure could. That was of no help. I looked at the sendmail.cf diff, but that was pretty cryptic. So I checked the logs... finally checking /var/log/maillog. There was a warning about STARTTLS that it couldn't find the ca-bundle, which is the root certificate authority bundle. STARTTLS failed, meaning I could not initiate a secure connection, and unsecure connections are refused. Apparently FC4 has moved the ca-bundle to /usr/share/apps/kssl/ca-bundle.crt and/or /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt. It took a simple change to sendmail.mc to point to the first one, and now SMTP with a STARTTLS encryption wrapper works once again. Thanks for the tries, fellas. From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Jun 21 11:04:13 2005 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Tue Jun 21 11:03:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Creating Redhat/Fedora boot CD with additional drivers Message-ID: <42B83A7D.10002@knicknack.net> I've got a Dell server that has proprietary drivers for an Intel E1000 NIC. I'd like to create a boot CD that contains those drivers so I can install from the network. Anyone done this before or have pointers to where I might find more info. I have found instructions for creating a diskette with the additional drivers, but I'd like to keep it all on one CD. (I have already googled, but I'm probably not using the right keywords.) Thanks, Eric From sfertch at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 12:19:21 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Tue Jun 21 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Creating Redhat/Fedora boot CD with additional drivers In-Reply-To: <42B83A7D.10002@knicknack.net> References: <42B83A7D.10002@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <67f3084a0506211019f75d919@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/05, Eric Stanley wrote: > I've got a Dell server that has proprietary drivers for an Intel E1000 > NIC. I'd like to create a boot CD that contains those drivers so I can > install from the network. Anyone done this before or have pointers to > where I might find more info. I have found instructions for creating a > diskette with the additional drivers, but I'd like to keep it all on one > CD. (I have already googled, but I'm probably not using the right > keywords.) What version are you using of RH or Fedora? I ran into an issue similar to that with RHELv3 and IBM x336's. I'm downloading newer release candidates of the ISO's, which I'm told will have the correct drivers for the onboard NIC. Just a thought... -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. From wilson at visi.com Tue Jun 21 13:34:23 2005 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Tue Jun 21 13:35:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] 3rd party web host reviews Message-ID: Hey everyone, Does anyone know of a 3rd party site that has reviews of various hosting companies? Something like Broadband Reports (http:// broadbandreports.com/) would be good with reviews of tech support, uptime, feature summaries, etc. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org From silwenae at silwenae.com Tue Jun 21 20:09:14 2005 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Paul Cutler) Date: Tue Jun 21 20:11:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] 3rd party web host reviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B8BA3A.5080407@silwenae.com> I've had some luck with http://www.webhostingtalk.com when I've switched hosting company. Just have to spend some time searching through all the babble. Paul Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Does anyone know of a 3rd party site that has reviews of various > hosting companies? Something like Broadband Reports (http:// > broadbandreports.com/) would be good with reviews of tech support, > uptime, feature summaries, etc. > > -Tim > From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Jun 22 11:35:53 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Jun 22 11:37:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200506221635.j5MGZrJ23634@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: IDE RAID Card and Drive Bays I have a 2 drive 3Ware 7006-2 raid card and 2 swapable drive bays (no hard drives) that I would like to sell. I am looking for $75/obo. Email hansone@gmail.com with questions. Thanks! Seller Email address: hansone at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From josh at joshwelch.com Thu Jun 23 15:14:56 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Thu Jun 23 15:15:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Dual homed host Message-ID: <42BB1840.5050703@joshwelch.com> So I'm trying to cut over a network from one provider to another. This also means cutting over from one chunk of IP's to another because we don't have our own allocation. I was hoping I could do something cute like putting in a second NIC, assigning that nic an IP on the new network and that host would anser requests from both networks during the cutover, packets which come in on eth0 go out on eth0, packets which come in on eth1 go out eth1. Sounds simple, eh? This does not, however, seem to be the case. It seems to want to pick one interface and use that for outgoing traffic. Is this the way it should be? Can I convince it to behave like I want it to? To alleviate some obvious questions: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is set to 0. There are no IPTables rules running. Josh From tclug at greatlakedata.com Thu Jun 23 15:28:18 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Thu Jun 23 15:29:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] backup ntfs to linux? Message-ID: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> hi folks, i'd like to setup backup of my win2000 server onto my linux server. if i were to simply transfer via samba, the various ntfs attributes would be omitted when writing on the ext3 filesystem, so, are there any programs, preferably open source, that handle this? tia, greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From gwhitleymott at NonviolentPeaceforce.org Thu Jun 23 15:27:49 2005 From: gwhitleymott at NonviolentPeaceforce.org (greg whitley mott) Date: Thu Jun 23 15:36:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] backup ntfs to linux? Message-ID: <42BB1B45.3080303@NonviolentPeaceforce.org> hi folks, i'd like to setup backup of my win2000 server onto my linux server. if i were to simply transfer via samba, the various ntfs attributes would be omitted when writing on the ext3 filesystem, so, are there any programs, preferably open source, that handle this? tia, greg Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From adam at whee.org Thu Jun 23 15:22:57 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Thu Jun 23 15:41:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Dual homed host In-Reply-To: <42BB1840.5050703@joshwelch.com> References: <42BB1840.5050703@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Josh Welch wrote: > So I'm trying to cut over a network from one provider to another. This > also means cutting over from one chunk of IP's to another because we > don't have our own allocation. I was hoping I could do something cute > like putting in a second NIC, assigning that nic an IP on the new > network and that host would anser requests from both networks during the > cutover, packets which come in on eth0 go out on eth0, packets which > come in on eth1 go out eth1. Sounds simple, eh? What is this host doing, firewall or NAT, or just a router? > This does not, however, seem to be the case. It seems to want to pick > one interface and use that for outgoing traffic. Is this the way it > should be? Can I convince it to behave like I want it to? It's probably sending out using whatever interface has the default route. By far the easiest way to switch over is to just change your default to the gateway IP of the new provider, and have all traffic go out that connection. You'll still get traffic coming in through your old provider, you'll just be sending ALL outgoing packets back out the other direction. This will work as long as your new provider isn't doing anti-spoofing filtering for outbound traffic (many, unfortunately, do not). From brockn at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 16:08:29 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Thu Jun 23 16:09:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] backup ntfs to linux? In-Reply-To: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> References: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb80506231408582c1005@mail.gmail.com> I use tar, gzip and plink (putty backend). tar cf - directory | gzip -c | pink -so me -options here I have not gotten the z flag to work with windows tar. Brock On 6/23/05, greg wm wrote: > hi folks, > > i'd like to setup backup of my win2000 server onto my linux server. if > i were to simply transfer via samba, the various ntfs attributes would > be omitted when writing on the ext3 filesystem, so, are there any > programs, preferably open source, that handle this? > > tia, > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josh at joshwelch.com Thu Jun 23 16:24:20 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Thu Jun 23 16:25:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Dual homed host In-Reply-To: References: <42BB1840.5050703@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <42BB2884.10506@joshwelch.com> Adam Maloney wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Josh Welch wrote: > >> So I'm trying to cut over a network from one provider to another. This >> also means cutting over from one chunk of IP's to another because we >> don't have our own allocation. I was hoping I could do something cute >> like putting in a second NIC, assigning that nic an IP on the new >> network and that host would anser requests from both networks during the >> cutover, packets which come in on eth0 go out on eth0, packets which >> come in on eth1 go out eth1. Sounds simple, eh? > > > What is this host doing, firewall or NAT, or just a router? > It's a webserver. I don't want it doing any forwarding, I just want requests coming in eth1 to be answered on eth1. Unfortunately I am severely limited in my ability to perform stupid routing tricks due to my environment. >> This does not, however, seem to be the case. It seems to want to pick >> one interface and use that for outgoing traffic. Is this the way it >> should be? Can I convince it to behave like I want it to? > > > It's probably sending out using whatever interface has the default > route. By far the easiest way to switch over is to just change your > default to the gateway IP of the new provider, and have all traffic go > out that connection. You'll still get traffic coming in through your > old provider, you'll just be sending ALL outgoing packets back out the > other direction. This will work as long as your new provider isn't doing > anti-spoofing filtering for outbound traffic (many, unfortunately, do not). > Someone mentioned offlist using the ip command to do what I want, I'll give that a try. Josh From hitokiri at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Jun 23 18:27:21 2005 From: hitokiri at acm.cs.umn.edu (James M. Greene) Date: Thu Jun 23 18:39:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about GPG Signing Packages Message-ID: <2608.192.61.204.185.1119569241.squirrel@acm.cs.umn.edu> Hey there. I am a Linux user for the past four years, but I have just recently got into truly tinkering and such. I have recently (i.e. today) begun playing around with GPG signing. Now... I want to GPG sign a Linux RPM package that I am rebuilding with my GPG signature. However, I am trying to automate the process. The problem? Passphrase prompting. I have tried to incorporate the redirection of stdin from a password file in my BASH script that is executing the rpmbuild process, but it appears that adding the --sign option actually implements gpg to prompt for the passphrase instead of directly from rpmbuild. Is there anyway to kill this passphrase prompting without giving the key a NULL password? Please let me know. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, James Greene ********************************************* * James M. Greene - hitokiri@acm.cs.umn.edu * * * * Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) * * Vice President, EE/CSci Bldg., Room 2-204 * * University of Minnesota - Student Chapter * ********************************************* From ces.fci at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 19:29:41 2005 From: ces.fci at gmail.com (fci) Date: Thu Jun 23 19:29:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about GPG Signing Packages In-Reply-To: <2608.192.61.204.185.1119569241.squirrel@acm.cs.umn.edu> References: <2608.192.61.204.185.1119569241.squirrel@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: I remember doing doing something like this awhile ago: echo $password | gpg [...] there was also this article I saw recently which may be of some help: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10929 On 6/23/05, James M. Greene wrote: > Hey there. > > I am a Linux user for the past four years, but I have just recently got > into truly tinkering and such. I have recently (i.e. today) begun playing > around with GPG signing. Now... I want to GPG sign a Linux RPM package > that I am rebuilding with my GPG signature. However, I am trying to > automate the process. The problem? Passphrase prompting. I have tried to > incorporate the redirection of stdin from a password file in my BASH > script that is executing the rpmbuild process, but it appears that adding > the --sign option actually implements gpg to prompt for the passphrase > instead of directly from rpmbuild. Is there anyway to kill this passphrase > prompting without giving the key a NULL password? > > Please let me know. Thanks in advance. > > > Sincerely, > James Greene > > ********************************************* > * James M. Greene - hitokiri@acm.cs.umn.edu * > * * > * Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) * > * Vice President, EE/CSci Bldg., Room 2-204 * > * University of Minnesota - Student Chapter * > ********************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at greatlakedata.com Thu Jun 23 22:10:03 2005 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Thu Jun 23 22:11:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] backup ntfs to linux? In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80506231408582c1005@mail.gmail.com> References: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> <741dcbb80506231408582c1005@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42BB798B.4050807@greatlakedata.com> i don't see any mention in tar for windows that it has any knowledge of ntfs attributes. i looked at the tar for windows page: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/tar.htm and the online tar manual page: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_mono/tar.html hence i expect a backup of my win2000 server via tar would not be useable when restored. please correct me if i am wrong, i would love it to work.. Brock Noland wrote: > I use tar, gzip and plink (putty backend). > > tar cf - directory | gzip -c | pink -so me -options here > > I have not gotten the z flag to work with windows tar. > > Brock > > On 6/23/05, greg wm wrote: >>hi folks, >> >>i'd like to setup backup of my win2000 server onto my linux server. if >>i were to simply transfer via samba, the various ntfs attributes would >>be omitted when writing on the ext3 filesystem, so, are there any >>programs, preferably open source, that handle this? >> >>tia, >>greg >> >>Greg Whitley Mott >>IT Coordinator >>NonviolentPeaceforce.org From brockn at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 22:21:50 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Thu Jun 23 22:21:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] backup ntfs to linux? In-Reply-To: <42BB798B.4050807@greatlakedata.com> References: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> <741dcbb80506231408582c1005@mail.gmail.com> <42BB798B.4050807@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb8050623202116c22cd6@mail.gmail.com> What type of attrib's do you need? I know the files are "useable" but like you say they maybe missing some acl data or something. Do you use permissions extenstively? Brock On 6/23/05, greg wm wrote: > i don't see any mention in tar for windows that it has any knowledge of > ntfs attributes. > > i looked at the tar for windows page: > http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/tar.htm > > and the online tar manual page: > http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_mono/tar.html > > hence i expect a backup of my win2000 server via tar would not be > useable when restored. please correct me if i am wrong, i would love it > to work.. > > Brock Noland wrote: > > I use tar, gzip and plink (putty backend). > > > > tar cf - directory | gzip -c | pink -so me -options here > > > > I have not gotten the z flag to work with windows tar. > > > > Brock > > > > On 6/23/05, greg wm wrote: > >>hi folks, > >> > >>i'd like to setup backup of my win2000 server onto my linux server. if > >>i were to simply transfer via samba, the various ntfs attributes would > >>be omitted when writing on the ext3 filesystem, so, are there any > >>programs, preferably open source, that handle this? > >> > >>tia, > >>greg > >> > >>Greg Whitley Mott > >>IT Coordinator > >>NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jun 23 23:12:31 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Thu Jun 23 23:13:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about GPG Signing Packages In-Reply-To: References: <2608.192.61.204.185.1119569241.squirrel@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20050624041232.AE1023DED@skuld.wookimus.net> fci wrote: > I remember doing doing something like this awhile ago: > echo $password | gpg [...]=20 > > there was also this article I saw recently which may be of some help: > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3D10929 Ugh. What bad advise! If you were to use the commandline above, you would encrypt your password for all the world to see... So, let's get a little more meat and bones to this discussion. Take a look at the manpage. Scroll down to this line: --passphrase-fd n Read the passphrase from file descriptor n. If you use 0 for n, the passphrase will be read from stdin. This can only be used if only one passphrase is supplied. Don't use this option if you can avoid it. So, yes you can do this, just make sure you use the correct options. However, I would suggest you look into using a gpg agent instead. Read the manpage for more details. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 09:46:25 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Fri Jun 24 09:48:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] backup ntfs to linux? In-Reply-To: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> References: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <42BC1CC1.5030705@gmail.com> Probably more complicated than you are looking for, but I'm pretty sure that http://www.bacula.org/ handles windows file attributes. Dan greg wm wrote: > hi folks, > > i'd like to setup backup of my win2000 server onto my linux server. if > i were to simply transfer via samba, the various ntfs attributes would > be omitted when writing on the ext3 filesystem, so, are there any > programs, preferably open source, that handle this? > > tia, > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From shanson at cruiskeen.com Fri Jun 24 11:04:23 2005 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Fri Jun 24 11:06:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] backup ntfs to linux? In-Reply-To: <42BC1CC1.5030705@gmail.com> References: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> <42BC1CC1.5030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42BC2F07.9060102@cruiskeen.com> Dan Armbrust wrote: > Probably more complicated than you are looking for, but I'm pretty sure > that http://www.bacula.org/ handles windows file attributes. > Yes, bacula works just fine for this. > Dan From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 11:11:27 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Fri Jun 24 11:11:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] backup ntfs to linux? In-Reply-To: <42BC1CC1.5030705@gmail.com> References: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> <42BC1CC1.5030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: If I'm not mistake Bacula uses the Windows backup tool to backup Windows computers, so it will do everything you need. If you don't want to go about setting up Bacula, no problem. Just setup the Windows backup tool to dump it's backup information to your samba share. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. From tclug-list at mn-linux.org Fri Jun 24 09:31:34 2005 From: tclug-list at mn-linux.org (Steve Hanson) Date: Fri Jun 24 11:12:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] backup ntfs to linux? In-Reply-To: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> References: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> Message-ID: <42BC1946.20307@mn-linux.org> greg wm wrote: > hi folks, > > i'd like to setup backup of my win2000 server onto my linux server. if > i were to simply transfer via samba, the various ntfs attributes would > be omitted when writing on the ext3 filesystem, so, are there any > programs, preferably open source, that handle this? > Bacula - http://www.bacula.org - very nice, and it backs up the permissions on Windows servers using the windows backup agent. Make sure you read the part in the manual about compatibility problems with Windows backups, though. > tia, > greg > > Greg Whitley Mott > IT Coordinator > NonviolentPeaceforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From newsposter at comcast.net Fri Jun 24 12:23:10 2005 From: newsposter at comcast.net (Freddy Kruger) Date: Fri Jun 24 12:24:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] 4Sale, Athlon mobo, cpu, ram, power supply Message-ID: $350 delivered in the TC metro. Just add your own case........ Abit AT7 mobo (www.abit-usa.com) Athlon XP 2600+ 1 Gb PC2100 ECC registered ram (4 x 256mb sticks) Antec PP-352x 350 watt power supply Everything works, just updated my workstations and these are the 'leftovers'. From natecars at natecarlson.com Fri Jun 24 13:15:43 2005 From: natecars at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Fri Jun 24 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DMT DSL routers? Message-ID: Anyone got a DMT DSL router (Cisco 677/678, ActionTec, etc) they want to get rid of? Looks like a coworker's router got zapped by lightning.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jus at krytosvirus.com Fri Jun 24 17:19:57 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Fri Jun 24 17:22:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DMT DSL routers? In-Reply-To: <17295629.1119638145106.JavaMail.root@sniper8> References: <17295629.1119638145106.JavaMail.root@sniper8> Message-ID: <200506241719.57863.jus@krytosvirus.com> Could probably get one from here http://www.cisco678.com/ Its a local company. On Friday 24 June 2005 01:15 pm, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone got a DMT DSL router (Cisco 677/678, ActionTec, etc) they want to > get rid of? > > Looks like a coworker's router got zapped by lightning.. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | > | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at natecarlson.com Mon Jun 27 09:02:37 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jun 27 09:18:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] DMT DSL routers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone got a DMT DSL router (Cisco 677/678, ActionTec, etc) they want to > get rid of? > > Looks like a coworker's router got zapped by lightning.. Thanks for all the responses! The Qwest tech that visited him on Saturday dropped off an Actiontec, so he's going to live with that for now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 16:05:13 2005 From: aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com (Steve Swantz) Date: Mon Jun 27 16:06:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Sarge RAID1 with /boot partition Message-ID: <17f6da2505062714057a29f46c@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to turn an existing Debian Sarge installation on hda into a RAID1 setup by building the md devices on hdc (with hda missing), copying the system to the md devices, rebooting, and then re-partitioning hda and adding it to the array. I'm doing it via a remote SSH session to make sure I understand it before renting a remote dedicated server that I'll do the same to. I can do it without problems on a setup with just / and swap partitions. I'm running into problems rebooting into the degraded array, though, when I use three partitions - /, /boot and swap. Apparantly /dev/md1 (the / filesytem) is not up when needed during the reboot into the md array, since I get: mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 1 drive (out of 2) pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 432: cannot open /dev/console: No such file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! I have /boot on /dev/md0 (hda1 and hdc1), / on /dev/md1 (hda2 and hdc2) , and swap on /dev/md2 (hda3 and hdc3). my /boot/grub/menu.lst has: title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.8-2-386 RAID root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/md1 ro initrd /initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386RAID savedefault boot title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.8-2-386 root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro initrd /initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 savedefault boot on both hda1 and /dev/md0 The whole procedure in mind numbing detail is at: http://www.issociate.de/board/post/25205/How_to_build_bootable_RAID_1_as_a_module_with_Grub_on_Debian_Sarge.html Question: Is getting /dev/md1 up in time the job of initrd.img? Did I hose this at the initrd.img level, grub level, or elsewhere? Thanks in advance, Steve From aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 16:54:27 2005 From: aintboeingaintgoing at gmail.com (Steve Swantz) Date: Mon Jun 27 16:54:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Sarge RAID 1 /boot solved Message-ID: <17f6da25050627145424e231bc@mail.gmail.com> Guys It never seems to fail - no matter how long I bang on a problem, the act of writing (and posting) the question gets me finally going in the right direction. I had the initrd.img for the raid pointing at /dev/md0 (/boot) instead of /dev/md1 ( / ). Problem fixed. Steve From cdf123 at cdf123.net Tue Jun 28 09:28:37 2005 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Tue Jun 28 09:27:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio Filtering? Message-ID: <42C15E95.4050504@cdf123.net> Hi all, I have a mythtv box in my living room now, and I love it. Except that some of the dvd movies that I rip tend to have very loud volumes mixed with very soft speaking. And sometimes theres a movie that I have to blast the volume on to hear anything. I was wondering if there is anything short of re-ripping the dvds and applying several audio filters that could help. Re-ripping isn't that big a deal, but the idea of spending hours per movie making sure that backgrounds don't drown out the foregrounds is somewhat overwhelming. Is there any kind of audio filter that I can put in place that will scale the volume so it stays in a certain range? Never getting too quiet, yet never too loud? Or is there some easy way to fix the really bad ones so when I notice that the audio on one file is bad, I can fun something to fix the file? Thanks all, Chris Frederick From tclug at natecarlson.com Tue Jun 28 09:45:57 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jun 28 10:03:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio Filtering? In-Reply-To: <42C15E95.4050504@cdf123.net> References: <42C15E95.4050504@cdf123.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Chris Frederick wrote: > I have a mythtv box in my living room now, and I love it. Except that > some of the dvd movies that I rip tend to have very loud volumes mixed > with very soft speaking. And sometimes theres a movie that I have to > blast the volume on to hear anything. I was wondering if there is > anything short of re-ripping the dvds and applying several audio filters > that could help. Re-ripping isn't that big a deal, but the idea of > spending hours per movie making sure that backgrounds don't drown out > the foregrounds is somewhat overwhelming. Is there any kind of audio > filter that I can put in place that will scale the volume so it stays in > a certain range? Never getting too quiet, yet never too loud? Or is > there some easy way to fix the really bad ones so when I notice that the > audio on one file is bad, I can fun something to fix the file? Set up mplayer to do 5.1 output to your surround sound system so you can balance the channels properly on your receiver? :) Really, I've seen the same problems on raw dvd's - if you pop them in a normal dvd player on a tv with just left/right, a lot of times the background overpowers the foreground. As far as post-ripping filters, anything that mplayer supports should work (assuming you're using mythvideo to play, so you can tweak the command line.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Tue Jun 28 10:07:42 2005 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Tue Jun 28 10:11:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio Filtering? In-Reply-To: <42C15E95.4050504@cdf123.net> References: <42C15E95.4050504@cdf123.net> Message-ID: <1119971262.14624.237328561@webmail.messagingengine.com> You might want to check out Normalize. http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~cvaill/normalize/ -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail ----- Original message ----- From: "Chris Frederick" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:28:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio Filtering? Hi all, I have a mythtv box in my living room now, and I love it. Except that some of the dvd movies that I rip tend to have very loud volumes mixed with very soft speaking. And sometimes theres a movie that I have to blast the volume on to hear anything. I was wondering if there is anything short of re-ripping the dvds and applying several audio filters that could help. Re-ripping isn't that big a deal, but the idea of spending hours per movie making sure that backgrounds don't drown out the foregrounds is somewhat overwhelming. Is there any kind of audio filter that I can put in place that will scale the volume so it stays in a certain range? Never getting too quiet, yet never too loud? Or is there some easy way to fix the really bad ones so when I notice that the audio on one file is bad, I can fun something to fix the file? Thanks all, Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Tue Jun 28 10:03:28 2005 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Tue Jun 28 10:11:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio Filtering? In-Reply-To: <42C15E95.4050504@cdf123.net> References: <42C15E95.4050504@cdf123.net> Message-ID: <42C166C0.5080501@visi.com> What does your speaker setup look like. I've had similar problem when either the center speaker was grossly mismatched with the front L-R speakers or where the center channel volume was set too low relative to the L-R speakers. In the latter case simply bumping the center channel up by 1db on my amp brought everything into line - at least to my untrained ears. --rick Chris Frederick wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a mythtv box in my living room now, and I love it. Except that > some of the dvd movies that I rip tend to have very loud volumes mixed > with very soft speaking. And sometimes theres a movie that I have to > blast the volume on to hear anything. I was wondering if there is > anything short of re-ripping the dvds and applying several audio > filters that could help. Re-ripping isn't that big a deal, but the > idea of spending hours per movie making sure that backgrounds don't > drown out the foregrounds is somewhat overwhelming. Is there any kind > of audio filter that I can put in place that will scale the volume so > it stays in a certain range? Never getting too quiet, yet never too > loud? Or is there some easy way to fix the really bad ones so when I > notice that the audio on one file is bad, I can fun something to fix > the file? > > Thanks all, > Chris Frederick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jun 28 11:29:50 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue Jun 28 11:32:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200506281629.j5SGTo730722@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Wireless router and adapter Linksys wireless router(WRT54GS) and USB adapter(WUSB54G), purchased for a client demo. They decided against wireless. Router was taken out of box, used about 30 min. USB adapter is unopened. Both are 2.4 GHz, 802.11g. $50 for both. Seller Email address: bfriedman at excite dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Jun 29 00:16:55 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Jun 29 00:17:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200506290516.j5T5GtH09189@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want for Free Subject: P2 400 Processor? I need a 400Mhz P2 Intel processor for an IBM 300PL Type 6862-A7U. I think the processor died and I don't have a spare processor to check it. Thanks. Seller Email address: auditodd at comcast dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 29 10:55:35 2005 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Wed Jun 29 10:57:16 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Audio Filtering? In-Reply-To: <42C15E95.4050504@cdf123.net> References: <42C15E95.4050504@cdf123.net> Message-ID: <1120060535.19058.1526.camel@3po> On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 09:28, Chris Frederick wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a mythtv box in my living room now, and I love it. Except that > some of the dvd movies that I rip tend to have very loud volumes mixed > with very soft speaking. [...] What sort of a speaker setup do you have? Stereo? Surround? 5.1? I haven't used the MythTV DVD program, but it might be possible to "downmix" the audio to stereo if you need it. If you take a 5.1-channel audio stream and only play the front-left and front-right tracks, the talking will be very soft because it is supposed to be sent through the center channel. I generally use MPlayer for watching movies, and added the line channels=2 to my ~/.mplayer/config file, which is supposed to make it downmix audio to two channels by adding sound from the "missing" speakers to the ones that actually exist. There might be a similar setup option for MythDVD. Also, some DVDs have both stereo and 5.1 audio tracks, so you should just use the stereo one if you just have two speakers. -- [ Michael Hicks | hick0088@tc.umn.edu | Minneapolis ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> <42BC1CC1.5030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42C45B4A.9090102@greatlakedata.com> > Dan Armbrust wrote: >> Probably more complicated than you are looking for, but I'm pretty sure >> that http://www.bacula.org/ handles windows file attributes. bacula looks pretty good, except it can't restore windows without me first installing windows. since i have a windows 2000 server that came installed (no install CDs), either i need to obtain windows 2000 server install CDs, or i need to first restore the disk from some other medium in order to do a restore from bacula! i can't help but wonder if it would work to install windows 2000 workstation, and then do the bacula restore on that. would i end up with a working windows 2000 server again when i was done? Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > If you don't want to go about setting up Bacula, no problem. Just > setup the Windows backup tool to dump it's backup information to your > samba share. sounds temptingly simple, however if i understand correctly, the windows backup tool will want to write a single huge output file, and offhand i can't think of a way to have that file written offsite without first writing it onsite. i guess i'm hoping bacula will enable me to backup directly to an offsite linux server. Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From gwhitleymott at NonviolentPeaceforce.org Thu Jun 30 15:50:39 2005 From: gwhitleymott at NonviolentPeaceforce.org (greg whitley mott) Date: Thu Jun 30 16:03:08 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] backup ntfs to linux? In-Reply-To: References: <42BB1B62.7080002@greatlakedata.com> <42BC1CC1.5030705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42C45B1F.8060400@NonviolentPeaceforce.org> > Dan Armbrust wrote: >> Probably more complicated than you are looking for, but I'm pretty sure >> that http://www.bacula.org/ handles windows file attributes. bacula looks pretty good, except it can't restore windows without me first installing windows. since i have a windows 2000 server that came installed (no install CDs), either i need to obtain windows 2000 server install CDs, or i need to first restore the disk from some other medium in order to do a restore from bacula! i can't help but wonder if it would work to install windows 2000 workstation, and then do the bacula restore on that. would i end up with a working windows 2000 server again when i was done? Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > If you don't want to go about setting up Bacula, no problem. Just > setup the Windows backup tool to dump it's backup information to your > samba share. sounds temptingly simple, however if i understand correctly, the windows backup tool will want to write a single huge output file, and offhand i can't think of a way to have that file written offsite without first writing it onsite. i guess i'm hoping bacula will enable me to backup directly to an offsite linux server. Greg Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org From dan at dandrake.org Thu Jun 30 21:45:55 2005 From: dan at dandrake.org (dan) Date: Thu Jun 30 21:47:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] anyone have slightly old Debian CDs? Message-ID: <20050701024555.GA6377@dandrake.org> I recently had a hard drive die, but thanks to a backup of my home directory and a fresh 'dpkg --get-selections', it was easy to restore my system. Except for Gnucash. Recent versions have a bug that prevents me from importing credit card statements, so I was using snapshot.debian.net to get an older, functioning version of Gnucash. But they had a disk crash too, and have lost much of their archive! So, I need to somehow get an older version of Gnucash and its myriad dependencies. A good candidate would be a recent set of Woody CDs, say 3.0r5. Does anyone have any of these CDs or know where I can get .isos? I just need the .deb files for the relevant packages. Thanks, Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My first thought was this was a firewall issue but even removing all firewalls on my end I still couldn't telnet to friendmail:25,22,80 etc. We both tested from other external systems and were able to connect to friendmail:25 and got the mailserver banner. What's strange is that my Debian mailserver could telnet to other hosts on various ports (22,25,80, etc) and it worked just fine. I have one Debian sarge box still runs the woody default 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel. That box could telnet to friendmail:25. This led me to think it was a kernel issue. Sure enough, I booted my mailserver back to the woody 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel and I could telnet to friendmail:25. So it would seem any custom kernel I build on a sarge box has this broken telnet to friendmail's IP, yet works to other random hosts. I can only assume that other telnet to other host/ports might also be broken but I won't know it. I've experimented with manually building kernels using sources from ftp.kernel.org (2.4.18 through 2.4.31), as well as Debian kernel-source pkgs (kernel-source-2.4.18 and kernel-source-2.4.27). It seems any custom kernel I build on a sarge box has this issue where it just hangs when I telnet to friendmail:25,22, 80 etc... and eventually it times out. It never connects. These custom kernels are able to telnet to other hosts/ports just fine. I installed the Debian binary kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 on a sarge box and that kernel can telnet to friendmail:25,22,80,etc in addition to other random host/ports on the internet. I've been over the kernel .config files but can't find anything that would break telnet to one particular IP yet allow it to others. I'm compiling a Debian kernel using the kernel-source-2.4.27 pkg and an unmodified .config file from the kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 pkg (the one that can telnet to friendmail:25) to see what it's results are. My friend is on a dynamic IP on a cable modem if that matters. Does anyone have any ideas? Scot From tclug at natecarlson.com Thu Jun 30 22:00:53 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Thu Jun 30 22:01:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian sarge kernel/networking issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Scot Jenkins wrote: > I have several systems that I recently upgraded from Debian woody to > sarge. On systems where I've upgraded the kernel, I have a strange > networking issue. I do secondary MX for a friend (we'll call his host > friendmail) and after the OS upgrades on my end, I started spooling mail > for him. I contacted him thinking his mail server was down but it > turned out that from my Debian mail server, I couldn't telnet to > friendmail:25. I could not telnet to any other open ports on his IP, > 80, 22, etc. I was able to telnet to other random hosts on various > ports just fine. Do you have ECN enabled? cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------