From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 10:23:39 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Fri Jul 1 10:23:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian sarge kernel/networking issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d6c82530507010823229db931@mail.gmail.com> Is there a possiblity that IPv6 is interferring? I saw that my new sarge box has IPv6 turned on. (Gmail is still messing me up with the 'reply to all' setting) -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F From slushpupie at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 11:48:11 2005 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Fri Jul 1 11:49:46 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] anyone have slightly old Debian CDs? In-Reply-To: <20050701024555.GA6377@dandrake.org> References: <20050701024555.GA6377@dandrake.org> Message-ID: On 6/30/05, dan wrote: > So, I need to somehow get an older version of Gnucash and its myriad > dependencies. A good candidate would be a recent set of Woody CDs, say > 3.0r5. Does anyone have any of these CDs or know where I can get .isos? > I just need the .deb files for the relevant packages. Do you know what particular version you are looking for? -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jul 1 12:53:15 2005 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:53:49 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] anyone have slightly old Debian CDs? In-Reply-To: <20050701024555.GA6377@dandrake.org> References: <20050701024555.GA6377@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <20050701125315.A8841@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 09:45:55PM -0500, dan wrote: > So, I need to somehow get an older version of Gnucash and its myriad > dependencies. A good candidate would be a recent set of Woody CDs, say > 3.0r5. Does anyone have any of these CDs or know where I can get .isos? > I just need the .deb files for the relevant packages. If you just want the woody version can't you use apt-get with your distribution set to woody or oldstable? Many (though not all) Debian mirrors still have those. Is the version that you are looking for 1.6.6.1? That seems to be in woody. If that doesn't work you could also install the latest version with its dependencies. Then just find the source for the version that you want and compile it yourself. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From scotjenkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 21:42:38 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:43:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian sarge kernel/networking issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/30/05, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > I have several systems that I recently upgraded from Debian woody to > > sarge. On systems where I've upgraded the kernel, I have a strange > > networking issue. I do secondary MX for a friend (we'll call his host > > friendmail) and after the OS upgrades on my end, I started spooling mail > > for him. I contacted him thinking his mail server was down but it > > turned out that from my Debian mail server, I couldn't telnet to > > friendmail:25. I could not telnet to any other open ports on his IP, > > 80, 22, etc. I was able to telnet to other random hosts on various > > ports just fine. > > Do you have ECN enabled? > cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn That was it. It looks like the 2.4.18 kernel had an option to enable ECN and another to disable it by default: CONFIG_INET_ECN=y CONFIG_INET_ECN_DISABLED=y The "disabled" option appears to be gone in newer kernels. One can toggle it off a couple of ways: echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn --OR-- add this line to /etc/sysctl.conf if your distro supports sysctl: net.ipv4.tcp_ecn = 0 Thanks a million Nate! Scot From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Jul 2 08:56:11 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat Jul 2 08:59:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507021356.j62DuBn29653@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: UMAX e3470 Scanner $20.00 Return in 10 days if not satisfactory. Seller Email address: rhomes1 at mn dot rr dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Jul 2 08:59:30 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat Jul 2 09:00:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507021359.j62DxUO30141@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: UMAX e3470 Scanner $20.00 Return in 10 days if not satisfactory. Seller Email address: rhomes1 at mn dot rr dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From dan.drake at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 11:03:05 2005 From: dan.drake at gmail.com (Dan Drake) Date: Sat Jul 2 14:37:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] anyone have slightly old Debian CDs? In-Reply-To: <20050701125315.A8841@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20050701024555.GA6377@dandrake.org> <20050701125315.A8841@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On 7/1/05, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 09:45:55PM -0500, dan wrote: > > So, I need to somehow get an older version of Gnucash and its myriad > > dependencies. A good candidate would be a recent set of Woody CDs, say > > 3.0r5. Does anyone have any of these CDs or know where I can get .isos? > > I just need the .deb files for the relevant packages. > > If you just want the woody version can't you use apt-get with > your distribution set to woody or oldstable? Many (though not > all) Debian mirrors still have those. Is the version > that you are looking for 1.6.6.1? That seems to be in woody. I think Woody has 1.8.10 right now, which is the buggy version. I'd like to find a version around 1.8.5, I think. I was pointed to http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/ which I think will solve my problem. Dan -- Dan Drake From auditodd at comcast.net Sun Jul 3 12:00:17 2005 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Sun Jul 3 12:02:14 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] anyone have slightly old Debian CDs? In-Reply-To: References: <20050701024555.GA6377@dandrake.org> <20050701125315.A8841@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <42C819A1.4040008@comcast.net> Sorry to be late to the party..... I have a set of Debian 3.0r1 cds stashed away if anyone needs a copy. Todd Young Dan Drake wrote: > On 7/1/05, Jim Crumley wrote: > >>On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 09:45:55PM -0500, dan wrote: >> >>>So, I need to somehow get an older version of Gnucash and its myriad >>>dependencies. A good candidate would be a recent set of Woody CDs, say >>>3.0r5. Does anyone have any of these CDs or know where I can get .isos? >>>I just need the .deb files for the relevant packages. >> >>If you just want the woody version can't you use apt-get with >>your distribution set to woody or oldstable? Many (though not >>all) Debian mirrors still have those. Is the version >>that you are looking for 1.6.6.1? That seems to be in woody. > > > I think Woody has 1.8.10 right now, which is the buggy version. I'd > like to find a version around 1.8.5, I think. > > I was pointed to http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/ which I think > will solve my problem. > > Dan > -- Todd Young -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/2005 From dutchman_mn at charter.net Wed Jul 6 08:20:04 2005 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Wed Jul 6 08:24:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question Message-ID: <42CBDA84.7060805@charter.net> Greetings all: I need to update the BIOS on my ASUS motherboard but this configuration does not have a floppy drive. Is there anyway to update the BIOS without having to stick a floppy drive in the the case? Thank you, Perry Hoekstra From tclug at natecarlson.com Wed Jul 6 08:34:46 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Jul 6 08:34:48 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question In-Reply-To: <42CBDA84.7060805@charter.net> References: <42CBDA84.7060805@charter.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I need to update the BIOS on my ASUS motherboard but this configuration > does not have a floppy drive. Is there anyway to update the BIOS > without having to stick a floppy drive in the the case? For most systems, you can create a floppy image, and burn it to a CD as the boot image. Some BIOS updaters expect to write to the floppy, and will fail when running from a CD, though. Otherwise, if you have DOS/Windows installed, you should be able to do it through that. Another alternative is to get a USB memory key thingy, format it to bootable MSDOS on another system, and boot/flash from that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Jul 6 08:36:38 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed Jul 6 08:36:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question In-Reply-To: <28800985.1120656510263.JavaMail.root@sniper30> References: <28800985.1120656510263.JavaMail.root@sniper30> Message-ID: <200507060836.38571.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Wednesday 06 July 2005 08:20 am, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Greetings all: > > I need to update the BIOS on my ASUS motherboard but this configuration > does not have a floppy drive. Is there anyway to update the BIOS > without having to stick a floppy drive in the the case? > > Thank you, > > Perry Hoekstra > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Get a USB floppy drive or if your current BIOS supports it a USB jump drive. From dutchman_mn at charter.net Wed Jul 6 08:46:51 2005 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Wed Jul 6 08:48:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question In-Reply-To: References: <42CBDA84.7060805@charter.net> Message-ID: <42CBE0CB.1050200@charter.net> Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > >> I need to update the BIOS on my ASUS motherboard but this >> configuration does not have a floppy drive. Is there anyway to >> update the BIOS without having to stick a floppy drive in the the case? > > > For most systems, you can create a floppy image, and burn it to a CD > as the boot image. Some BIOS updaters expect to write to the floppy, > and will fail when running from a CD, though. > > Otherwise, if you have DOS/Windows installed, you should be able to do > it through that. Another alternative is to get a USB memory key > thingy, format it to bootable MSDOS on another system, and boot/flash > from that. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | > | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > I thought about the USB idea, but how do you specify the USB drive in the boot sequence? I did not see that option when I was looking at the ASUS BIOS menu. Perry Hoekstra From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Jul 6 08:51:45 2005 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Wed Jul 6 08:52:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question In-Reply-To: <42CBDA84.7060805@charter.net> Message-ID: I have not done it .. but how about burn the files onto a CD and make it bootable? Would that possibly work? I can not remember IF the process must be able to write files during the process. Randy > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Perry Hoekstra > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:20 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question > > > Greetings all: > > I need to update the BIOS on my ASUS motherboard but this configuration > does not have a floppy drive. Is there anyway to update the BIOS > without having to stick a floppy drive in the the case? > > Thank you, > > Perry Hoekstra > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Wed Jul 6 08:59:12 2005 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Wed Jul 6 09:00:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question In-Reply-To: <200507060836.38571.jus@krytosvirus.com> References: <28800985.1120656510263.JavaMail.root@sniper30> <200507060836.38571.jus@krytosvirus.com> Message-ID: <42CBE3B0.9000602@charter.net> Justin Krejci wrote: >On Wednesday 06 July 2005 08:20 am, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > >>Greetings all: >> >>I need to update the BIOS on my ASUS motherboard but this configuration >>does not have a floppy drive. Is there anyway to update the BIOS >>without having to stick a floppy drive in the the case? >> >>Thank you, >> >>Perry Hoekstra >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > >Get a USB floppy drive or if your current BIOS supports it a USB jump drive. > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > I was trying to keep the floppy drive out of the picture. It is not really useful. What is a USB jump drive? How is it different than the standard USB thumb drives everyone uses? Perry From dutchman_mn at charter.net Wed Jul 6 09:01:13 2005 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Wed Jul 6 09:02:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42CBE429.2000807@charter.net> Randy Clarksean wrote: >I have not done it .. but how about burn the files onto a CD and make it >bootable? Would that possibly work? I can not remember IF the process must >be able to write files during the process. > >Randy > > There would be no OS, I think that what Nate was getting at when he was talking about burning a floppy image onto a CD. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >>[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Perry Hoekstra >>Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:20 AM >>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question >> >> >>Greetings all: >> >>I need to update the BIOS on my ASUS motherboard but this configuration >>does not have a floppy drive. Is there anyway to update the BIOS >>without having to stick a floppy drive in the the case? >> >>Thank you, >> >>Perry Hoekstra >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jul 6 09:20:52 2005 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Wed Jul 6 09:20:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question In-Reply-To: <42CBE3B0.9000602@charter.net> References: <28800985.1120656510263.JavaMail.root@sniper30> <200507060836.38571.jus@krytosvirus.com> <42CBE3B0.9000602@charter.net> Message-ID: <20050706092052.A26227@baker.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 08:59:12AM -0500, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I was trying to keep the floppy drive out of the picture. It is not > really useful. What is a USB jump drive? How is it different than the > standard USB thumb drives everyone uses? Thumb drives and jump drives are different names for the same things. I think I have seen those things called about a dozen different things by now. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From tclug at natecarlson.com Wed Jul 6 09:22:00 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Jul 6 09:24:01 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question In-Reply-To: <42CBE0CB.1050200@charter.net> References: <42CBDA84.7060805@charter.net> <42CBE0CB.1050200@charter.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I thought about the USB idea, but how do you specify the USB drive in > the boot sequence? I did not see that option when I was looking at the > ASUS BIOS menu. Have you plugged the memory key in? Most BIOS'es won't show it in the boot order until you actually have one connected. If you don't see it then, your BIOS probably doesn't support it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tclug at natecarlson.com Wed Jul 6 09:23:43 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Jul 6 09:24:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question In-Reply-To: <42CBE3B0.9000602@charter.net> References: <28800985.1120656510263.JavaMail.root@sniper30> <200507060836.38571.jus@krytosvirus.com> <42CBE3B0.9000602@charter.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I was trying to keep the floppy drive out of the picture. It is not > really useful. What is a USB jump drive? How is it different than the > standard USB thumb drives everyone uses? Different term for the same thing - I believe 'jump drive' is Lexar's specific brand. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Jul 6 10:29:17 2005 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Wed Jul 6 10:28:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN Message-ID: I have a number of systems wired locally with switches and hubs. I would like to be able to do more backups from these systems to a stand alone backup system with a couple of large hard drives. The issue then becomes data transfer speeds because a couple of these systems have 100-200 GB of data stored on them. The typical data transfer speeds have been on the order of 2-3 MB/sec when all network cards are 10/100 MB NICs. There are a number of online resources listed below on how to "tune" one's machines to get faster data transfers. Has anyone out there "tuned" their LAN in order to get decent data transfer speeds? Do these suggested changes truly move the transfer speeds up drastically? I realize there will be collisions, etc. ... but I would guess that I SHOULD be able to get transfer rates up to 25-50 MB/sec. Does that seem reasonable? Or ... would I get better data transfer rates by mounting the drives with NFS on a Linux box and copying everything via NFS over TCP? Any of your experiences would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks in advance. http://rdweb.cns.vt.edu/public/notes/win2k-tcpip.htm http://support.microsoft.com/kb/169789/ http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/tcptune/#Linux ... or NFS related information ... http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/performance.html ... for gigabit networks .... http://datatag.web.cern.ch/datatag/howto/tcp.html Randy From tletofsky at umwcs.com Wed Jul 6 10:59:56 2005 From: tletofsky at umwcs.com (Ted S. Letofsky) Date: Wed Jul 6 11:02:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003c01c58243$c89d7830$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> Hi Randy The WIRE speed of a 10bT NIC is approximately 1 MB / Second The WIRE speed of a 100bT NIC is approximately 10 MB / Second The WIRE speed of a 1000bT NIC is approximately 100 MB / Second In reality, you can get all of 1MB / Second in 10bT You can get, (IF YOU PUSH HARD) about 6.5MB /Second in 100bT You can get, (IF YOU PUSH REALLY HARD) about 37 MB Second in 1000bT. You can change some of that by changing your packet size some. If, however, you go to JUMBO FRAMES you can essentially double your bandwidth in 1000bT. One caveat. If you go to JUMBO frames (packets), the interface you set for them, won't see/hear any other interface NOT speaking with the same size frame. Thus, if you switch to JUMBO frames, you may lose regular network connectivity (unless, of course, you use one NIC for backups/etc, and one for other purposes) Much of the loss in performance as you scale is based on the fact that the operating system is involved in packet assembly and disassembly. This is why TCP/IP Offload Engines are becoming popular in NICS (aka TOE cards) See Alacritech and Intel and Adaptec for further details. Also, as is obvious, you're likely going to get WAY better performance across NFS or (god help you) SAMBA, than you will over SSH, due to encryption taking up lots of bandwidth. Ted Letofsky Linux Newbie Otherwise geek. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Randy Clarksean Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:29 AM To: tclug Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN I have a number of systems wired locally with switches and hubs. I would like to be able to do more backups from these systems to a stand alone backup system with a couple of large hard drives. The issue then becomes data transfer speeds because a couple of these systems have 100-200 GB of data stored on them. The typical data transfer speeds have been on the order of 2-3 MB/sec when all network cards are 10/100 MB NICs. There are a number of online resources listed below on how to "tune" one's machines to get faster data transfers. Has anyone out there "tuned" their LAN in order to get decent data transfer speeds? Do these suggested changes truly move the transfer speeds up drastically? I realize there will be collisions, etc. ... but I would guess that I SHOULD be able to get transfer rates up to 25-50 MB/sec. Does that seem reasonable? Or ... would I get better data transfer rates by mounting the drives with NFS on a Linux box and copying everything via NFS over TCP? Any of your experiences would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks in advance. http://rdweb.cns.vt.edu/public/notes/win2k-tcpip.htm http://support.microsoft.com/kb/169789/ http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/tcptune/#Linux ... or NFS related information ... http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/performance.html ... for gigabit networks .... http://datatag.web.cern.ch/datatag/howto/tcp.html Randy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From brockn at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 11:07:30 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Wed Jul 6 11:10:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <741dcbb80507060907114aa559@mail.gmail.com> I had the same problem about a year ago. I just switched my network over to gigabit. Depending on how many machines you have, it may just be easier to replace all their cards with gigabit cards and a gigabit switch. If you don't have control over the network, you could just create an internal network with a gigabit switch. Brock On 7/6/05, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > > I have a number of systems wired locally with switches and hubs. I would > like to be able to do more backups from these systems to a stand alone > backup system with a couple of large hard drives. The issue then becomes > data transfer speeds because a couple of these systems have 100-200 GB of > data stored on them. > > The typical data transfer speeds have been on the order of 2-3 MB/sec when > all network cards are 10/100 MB NICs. > > There are a number of online resources listed below on how to "tune" one's > machines to get faster data transfers. Has anyone out there "tuned" their > LAN in order to get decent data transfer speeds? Do these suggested > changes > truly move the transfer speeds up drastically? I realize there will be > collisions, etc. ... but I would guess that I SHOULD be able to get > transfer > rates up to 25-50 MB/sec. Does that seem reasonable? > > Or ... would I get better data transfer rates by mounting the drives with > NFS on a Linux box and copying everything via NFS over TCP? > > Any of your experiences would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks in > advance. > > http://rdweb.cns.vt.edu/public/notes/win2k-tcpip.htm > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/169789/ > http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/tcptune/#Linux > > ... or NFS related information ... > > http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/performance.html > > ... for gigabit networks .... > > http://datatag.web.cern.ch/datatag/howto/tcp.html > > > > > Randy > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050706/1451b545/attachment.htm From mburns+ml at clonetank.org Wed Jul 6 11:36:37 2005 From: mburns+ml at clonetank.org (Michael Burns) Date: Wed Jul 6 11:36:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42CC0895.1010805@clonetank.org> Randy Clarksean wrote: > I have a number of systems wired locally with switches and hubs. I would > like to be able to do more backups from these systems to a stand alone > backup system with a couple of large hard drives. The issue then becomes > data transfer speeds because a couple of these systems have 100-200 GB of > data stored on them. > > The typical data transfer speeds have been on the order of 2-3 MB/sec when > all network cards are 10/100 MB NICs. 2-3 Megabits/sec (Mbps) is pretty slow. 2-3 Megabytes/sec (MB/s), eight times that, for a single connection, is not out of line. You're never going to get close to 30Mbps, aggregate, on 100baseT with your application. Two easy optimizations you can make are to remove all hubs or replace them with switches, and to configure all NICs to full-duplex. Beyond that we have this thing called "Gigabit Ethernet". -- Michael From tclug at natecarlson.com Wed Jul 6 11:49:55 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Jul 6 11:52:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: <003c01c58243$c89d7830$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> References: <003c01c58243$c89d7830$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Ted S. Letofsky wrote: > The WIRE speed of a 100bT NIC is approximately 10 MB / Second > You can get, (IF YOU PUSH HARD) about 6.5MB /Second in 100bT Huh? I quite regularly get 10.5mbytes/sec on my 100mbit lans via ftp and scp.. the speed does seem to vary quite a bit with the quality of the switch, though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed Jul 6 14:36:04 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed Jul 6 14:38:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] bind-utils for Solaris 8 Message-ID: I just installed SpamBouncer with procmail and it is demanding that 'host' be installed. I don't have 'host' on Solaris. It seems to be part of a package called bind-utils. Maybe if I could get the source, I could compile it and my SpamBouncer would work. Any tips? Mike From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed Jul 6 15:10:23 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed Jul 6 15:12:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: bind-utils for Solaris 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Mike Miller wrote: > I just installed SpamBouncer with procmail and it is demanding that > 'host' be installed. I don't have 'host' on Solaris. It seems to be > part of a package called bind-utils. Maybe if I could get the source, I > could compile it and my SpamBouncer would work. Any tips? I think I figured it out. All I had to do was comment out the line that was looking for 'host' and it automatically used nslookup (because that was set in a special Solaris config file). So I don't need 'host' after all. Mike From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 16:01:43 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Wed Jul 6 16:02:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] FTP_NAT Message-ID: <9d6c8253050706140131ea13fd@mail.gmail.com> I've upgraded from Debian Woody to Sarge and now am using a 2.6.8 kernel with Openswan and Shorewall. The VPN tunnel works great for all other traffic except ftp. I keep getting this message below. kernel: FTP_NAT: partial packet 2087393185/21 in 787/863 kernel: FTP_NAT: partial packet 2087393185/21 in 788/844 kernel: FTP_NAT: partial packet 2087393185/21 in 789/849 kernel: FTP_NAT: partial packet 2087393185/21 in 790/838 I have both ip_ftp_nat and ip_connectrack_ftp loaded. I am using one-to-one NAT (same as before) to translate the foreign network to a local ip address. I can log into the ftp server but when I try to list the directory it fails in either active or passive modes. The last communication with the ftp server requests the active ports to use. I've seen two links on the web, one that says that their is a conflict between IPSEC and iptables. The other that had a firewall rule on the other end of the tunnel that was preventing the connection. http://lists.shorewall.net/pipermail/shorewall-users/2004-June/012969.html http://msgs.securepoint.com/cgi-bin/get/netfilter-0506/123.html Anyone dealt with anything like this? -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Jul 6 19:41:15 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Jul 6 19:42:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507070041.j670fF615996@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Sun Ultra 1 with goodies Sun Ultra 1 with 20" Sony monitor, keyboard, mouse. It's no speeder, but it works great. It's a killer web server for home, and the monitor is sweet for gimp'ing. I've added a 1x SCSI cd-rom and an 18GB 7500rpm hdd. (you can have the 2 gigger also) Solaris 8 and 9 media are yours too, and even Solaris 8 Administrators Guide from O'Reilly. (gila monster) I'm asking $110. (obo) Located near downtown St Paul. You pick up. Seller Email address: bhartm at visi dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From poptix at poptix.net Wed Jul 6 20:52:04 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Wed Jul 6 20:54:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: <003c01c58243$c89d7830$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> References: <003c01c58243$c89d7830$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> Message-ID: <1120701124.20995.7.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 10:59 -0500, Ted S. Letofsky wrote: > Hi Randy > > The WIRE speed of a 10bT NIC is approximately 1 MB / Second > The WIRE speed of a 100bT NIC is approximately 10 MB / Second > The WIRE speed of a 1000bT NIC is approximately 100 MB / Second > > In reality, you can get all of 1MB / Second in 10bT > You can get, (IF YOU PUSH HARD) about 6.5MB /Second in 100bT > You can get, (IF YOU PUSH REALLY HARD) about 37 MB Second in 1000bT. > What kind of CRACK are you smoking? 10mbit ethernet will move 1.2MB/s, 100mbit ethernet will move 12MB/s, and 1000mbit ethernet/fiber will move 120MB/s. There is no 'push really hard'. These are real numbers that I see *every day* on a real network, there is no 'i get a better signal with this monster cable gold plated ethernet so my network goes faster' when it comes to ethernet, it's either there (full speed) or it isn't (framing errors and collisions aside). [snip mostly correct jumbo frames info] > Also, as is obvious, you're likely going to get WAY better performance > across NFS or (god help you) SAMBA, than you will over SSH, due to > encryption taking up lots of bandwidth. > The overhead with SSH is CPU, the actual encryption data isn't much larger than the original unencrypted data. From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Wed Jul 6 22:58:42 2005 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Wed Jul 6 23:00:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050707035842.GB18526@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 10:29:17AM -0500, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I have a number of systems wired locally with switches and hubs. I would > like to be able to do more backups from these systems to a stand alone > backup system with a couple of large hard drives. The issue then becomes > data transfer speeds because a couple of these systems have 100-200 GB of > data stored on them. > > The typical data transfer speeds have been on the order of 2-3 MB/sec when > all network cards are 10/100 MB NICs. > > Randy Replace all the hubs with switches. Hubs are a collision domain and the NICs that connect to them run in half-duplex mode. You might need to configure the NICs that are connected to switches to run in full-duplex mode (check out mii-tool). You will see a dramatic speed increase. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 CCNA, CISSP# 65668 From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Jul 7 08:53:36 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu Jul 7 08:54:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: <12271750.1120701452368.JavaMail.root@sniper30> References: <003c01c58243$c89d7830$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> <12271750.1120701452368.JavaMail.root@sniper30> Message-ID: <200507070853.37223.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Wednesday 06 July 2005 08:52 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 10:59 -0500, Ted S. Letofsky wrote: > > Hi Randy > > > > The WIRE speed of a 10bT NIC is approximately 1 MB / Second > > The WIRE speed of a 100bT NIC is approximately 10 MB / Second > > The WIRE speed of a 1000bT NIC is approximately 100 MB / Second > > > > In reality, you can get all of 1MB / Second in 10bT > > You can get, (IF YOU PUSH HARD) about 6.5MB /Second in 100bT > > You can get, (IF YOU PUSH REALLY HARD) about 37 MB Second in 1000bT. > > What kind of CRACK are you smoking? 10mbit ethernet will move 1.2MB/s, > 100mbit ethernet will move 12MB/s, and 1000mbit ethernet/fiber will move > 120MB/s. There is no 'push really hard'. > > These are real numbers that I see *every day* on a real network, there > is no 'i get a better signal with this monster cable gold plated > ethernet so my network goes faster' when it comes to ethernet, it's > either there (full speed) or it isn't (framing errors and collisions > aside). > > [snip mostly correct jumbo frames info] > > > Also, as is obvious, you're likely going to get WAY better performance > > across NFS or (god help you) SAMBA, than you will over SSH, due to > > encryption taking up lots of bandwidth. > > The overhead with SSH is CPU, the actual encryption data isn't much > larger than the original unencrypted data. > > The overhead with SSH is not really CPU. Well it can be if we're talking low end CPUs of course. The real transfer performance factor in SSH based transfers (sftp/scp) is buffering inside the program itself (at least for OpenSSH anyways). See this URL for more info on openssh performance tuning http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ Another few things that will hit your network performance is crappy network cards, crappy switches, or crappy cables. You will want to make sure you have undamaged network cables, a decent switch (look at things like backplane capacity), and decent network cards. If you get a gigabit network card and run it on a 100meg switch, you will likely get more throughput than 100meg cards and a 100meg switch. I would recommend as others have to setup a private network just for backups. So you would throw an extra nic into each computer that will be involved in the backups and put them all on their own private IP network. Then the backups will not interfere with any other network activities or vice versa. From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Jul 7 08:56:43 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu Jul 7 09:01:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Updating BIOS Question In-Reply-To: <24749590.1120660030100.JavaMail.root@sniper8> References: <28800985.1120656510263.JavaMail.root@sniper30> <42CBE3B0.9000602@charter.net> <24749590.1120660030100.JavaMail.root@sniper8> Message-ID: <200507070856.43317.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Wednesday 06 July 2005 09:23 am, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > I was trying to keep the floppy drive out of the picture. It is not > > really useful. What is a USB jump drive? How is it different than the > > standard USB thumb drives everyone uses? > > Different term for the same thing - I believe 'jump drive' is Lexar's > specific brand. > Yes, sorry. I have one (not a Lexar) and I call it a jump drive. It is kind of catchy and easy to say. I guess it is like Kleenex - a brand name that has become the de facto standard for tissue paper. From bhartm at visi.com Thu Jul 7 11:02:25 2005 From: bhartm at visi.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Thu Jul 7 10:32:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200507070458.j674wco07913@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200507070041.j670fF615996@crusader.real-time.com> <200507070458.j674wco07913@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <42CD5211.5050002@visi.com> 167Mhz, 512MB / 8 sticks, CD drive is internal, a regular put the disk in push the tray, no cassette. super slow. yes sbus, the frame buffer is Bt497 (that's the big chip anyway) Monitor model is GDM-20E20 Sure, good as new (1997) but with a bigger disk. This guy used to build tanks and cannons and stuff. and it looks like this. I think it's a 200E. http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/Ultra_1E/Ultra_1E.html > >I'm interested. > >What is the CPU speed in MHz? > >What is the RAM total? > >What is number of each size of RAM sticks, if you know or are willing to >find out? > >Is the 1x SCSI CD-ROM internal or external? No doubt it is the type >that requires a CD be put into a "cassette" which is put into the >CD-ROM drive itself? > >Does it use an SBus video? If so, which one? > >What is the model number of the monitor? > >Is it safe to assume that everything operates as well as when it was >new? > >Thank you! > >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > > > From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 13:37:50 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Thu Jul 7 13:38:14 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: FTP_NAT In-Reply-To: <9d6c8253050706140131ea13fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d6c8253050706140131ea13fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d6c8253050707113725d475bd@mail.gmail.com> On 7/6/05, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > I've upgraded from Debian Woody to Sarge and now am using a 2.6.8 > kernel with Openswan and Shorewall. The VPN tunnel works great for > all other traffic except ftp. I keep getting this message below. > > kernel: FTP_NAT: partial packet 2087393185/21 in 787/863 > kernel: FTP_NAT: partial packet 2087393185/21 in 788/844 > kernel: FTP_NAT: partial packet 2087393185/21 in 789/849 > kernel: FTP_NAT: partial packet 2087393185/21 in 790/838 > > I have both ip_ftp_nat and ip_connectrack_ftp loaded. I am using > one-to-one NAT (same as before) to translate the foreign network to a > local ip address. > > I can log into the ftp server but when I try to list the directory it > fails in either active or passive modes. The last communication with > the ftp server requests the active ports to use. > > I've seen two links on the web, one that says that their is a conflict > between IPSEC and iptables. The other that had a firewall rule on the > other end of the tunnel that was preventing the connection. > > http://lists.shorewall.net/pipermail/shorewall-users/2004-June/012969.html > http://msgs.securepoint.com/cgi-bin/get/netfilter-0506/123.html > > Anyone dealt with anything like this? > > -- > Jeff Rasmussen > GPG public key 0x9686C12F > I found a work around for this problem based off of this post. (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.firewalls.netfilter.general/25078) It looks like the modules ip_ftp_nat and ip_conntrack_ftp cannot differentiate between the vpn traffic and the public Internet traffic going through the same interface. Apparently, I won't be able to use my server as an ftp client through NAT as a result. Now to find out how to disable those modules from loading with Shorewall. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 14:41:38 2005 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Thu Jul 7 14:42:13 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: FTP_NAT In-Reply-To: <9d6c8253050707113725d475bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d6c8253050706140131ea13fd@mail.gmail.com> <9d6c8253050707113725d475bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d6c825305070712412758452f@mail.gmail.com> To disable modules within the Debian Sarge kernel: Edit the aliases file: /etc/modutils/alias #This is the old way of doing it (maybe woody only or 2.4 kernel) /etc/modprobe.d/aliases Add aliases: alias ip_nat_ftp off alias ip_conntrack_ftp off sudo update-modules Now when I restart shorewall I get two informational error lines when it tries to load the above modules. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F From ted at wenzeldata.com Thu Jul 7 13:24:41 2005 From: ted at wenzeldata.com (Ted Letofsky) Date: Thu Jul 7 16:44:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: <1120701124.20995.7.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> Message-ID: <006701c58321$28093a60$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> Whoa! Good afternoon! I realize the "wire speed" of those interfaces makes that theorhetically possible.... HOWEVER! When you say you see those numbers EVERY DAY on a real network, I have to ask. No, Really. HOW do you see those numbers? What kind of file transport are you doing? How large are your transports. What protocol are you using? If you're really pushing 120 MegaBYTES per second across glass gigabit ethernet, there's very little reason in the industry to have Fibre Channel SANs. And, if you are, I'll happily study at the feet of the master. Doing all kinds of file transfers, I normally see the numbers I priorly quoted...EVERY DAY. I often use iometer to benchtest my numbers (runs on Linux AND Windows and SPARC) so I can standardize my testing model. My understand of encryption was that it ends up using padded bits and ate up a fair amount of overhead AND bandwidth. I'll happily read anything you put before me to correct my understandings. Ted Letofsky Linux newbie, and apparent clueless network user -----Original Message----- From: Matthew S. Hallacy [mailto:poptix@poptix.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:52 PM To: Ted S. Letofsky Cc: 'Randy Clarksean'; tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 10:59 -0500, Ted S. Letofsky wrote: > Hi Randy > > The WIRE speed of a 10bT NIC is approximately 1 MB / Second The WIRE > speed of a 100bT NIC is approximately 10 MB / Second The WIRE speed of > a 1000bT NIC is approximately 100 MB / Second > > In reality, you can get all of 1MB / Second in 10bT > You can get, (IF YOU PUSH HARD) about 6.5MB /Second in 100bT You can > get, (IF YOU PUSH REALLY HARD) about 37 MB Second in 1000bT. > What kind of CRACK are you smoking? 10mbit ethernet will move 1.2MB/s, 100mbit ethernet will move 12MB/s, and 1000mbit ethernet/fiber will move 120MB/s. There is no 'push really hard'. These are real numbers that I see *every day* on a real network, there is no 'i get a better signal with this monster cable gold plated ethernet so my network goes faster' when it comes to ethernet, it's either there (full speed) or it isn't (framing errors and collisions aside). [snip mostly correct jumbo frames info] > Also, as is obvious, you're likely going to get WAY better performance > across NFS or (god help you) SAMBA, than you will over SSH, due to > encryption taking up lots of bandwidth. > The overhead with SSH is CPU, the actual encryption data isn't much larger than the original unencrypted data. From poptix at poptix.net Thu Jul 7 21:24:07 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Thu Jul 7 21:24:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: <006701c58321$28093a60$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> References: <006701c58321$28093a60$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> Message-ID: <1120789447.23561.19.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 13:24 -0500, Ted Letofsky wrote: > When you say you see those numbers EVERY DAY on a real network, I have to > ask. > No, > Really. > > HOW do you see those numbers? byte counters on Cisco and Foundry switches, gathered via SNMP, graphed with rrdtool. > What kind of file transport are you doing? Some of the systems are serving HTTP requests, some are FTP servers, NFS servers, rsync transfers for backups... > How large are your transports. We have systems connected via gigabit and 100mbit ethernet, some of the 100mbit systems are forced to 10mbit on each end to keep them from exceeding their bandwidth quotas. Gigabit links are using 9kbyte MTU when possible. A 100mbit port forced to 10mbit on both sides: http://poptix.net/10mbit.png Here is an example of the first loaded 100mbit server I could find: http://poptix.net/100mbit.png A network nfs server (tx/rx directions are wrong on gige iface polling): http://poptix.net/1000mbit.png Unfortunately our most bandwidth intensive gigabit links are directly between systems since it's a waste of backplane capacity (and expensive gigabit ports) to run them through a switch. > What protocol are you using? See above. > > If you're really pushing 120 MegaBYTES per second across glass gigabit > ethernet, there's very little reason in the industry to have Fibre Channel > SANs. Sorry? Just because two systems can talk to each other at gigabit speeds doesn't mean they can access each others storage at those speeds. SANs were the answer to a problem that would not have been fixed by ethernet protocols. (You may as well ask why USB or Firewire exists) > And, if you are, I'll happily study at the feet of the master. > > Doing all kinds of file transfers, I normally see the numbers I priorly > quoted...EVERY DAY. Just because your systems are unable to make use of available bandwidth doesn't mean others aren't. You have a bottleneck somewhere -- it's not the technology, perhaps the implementation. From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Jul 8 00:58:38 2005 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Fri Jul 8 01:00:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: <006701c58321$28093a60$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> References: <006701c58321$28093a60$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> Message-ID: <6A0491D3-28B7-42C6-A694-306F0DEBD7FF@botwerks.org> ted - i routinely see numbers approaching these, from a slightly different perspective. i do a lot of work in the service provider domain and as of late have been working a lot with video servers that will routinely light up NxGE links. this is with MPEGoUDP so we can obviate discussions about tcp efficiencies and fairness here. i won't speak to the data transfer rates this translates into when using uninteresting protocols. (uninteresting to me, that is) i'll take this opportunity to point out that protracted saturation of NxGE links from a PC hardware based server requires a fair amount of tuning and it's typically fed from memory to the NIC. it makes for some very interesting server designs. candidly, i have a bit of incredulity associated with these numbers given that typically poor instrumentation available at the application layer for measuring this type of stuff. if you're really interested in the number of bits you're moving i wouldn't look too the instrumentation available from ncftp. i take my instrumentation right from the interfaces, but then that's just me. when using TCP based protocols for file transfer i haven't seen the 1.2x10^n Mbyte numbers that mr. hallacy quotes. i've seen numbers better than the numbers you've initially quoted, but i haven't seen the numbers mr. hallacy quotes. in fact, there's quite a body of interesting work taking place in the research community that points to further optimization in the L4 protocols to improve performance. most of these enhancements focus on improving the windowing mechanisms on TCP. for the most part TCP implementations haven't kept pace with the improvements in network capacity and the ability to clock data into larger payloads more efficiently. TCP has a nagging thing about "fairness". methinks both perspectives could stand to move a little in towards the center. ;-) iirc - the padding of the ssh traffic was done to address various timing and data analysis attacks. the actual overhead on the wire is somewhat variable. though you do have that nasty crypto process which when not done in hardware makes it hard to do at line rate. On Jul 7, 2005, at 1:24 PM, Ted Letofsky wrote: > Whoa! > > Good afternoon! > > I realize the "wire speed" of those interfaces makes that > theorhetically > possible.... HOWEVER! > > When you say you see those numbers EVERY DAY on a real network, I > have to > ask. No, Really. > > HOW do you see those numbers? > What kind of file transport are you doing? > How large are your transports. > > What protocol are you using? > > If you're really pushing 120 MegaBYTES per second across glass gigabit > ethernet, there's very little reason in the industry to have Fibre > Channel > SANs. > > And, if you are, I'll happily study at the feet of the master. > > Doing all kinds of file transfers, I normally see the numbers I > priorly > quoted...EVERY DAY. > > I often use iometer to benchtest my numbers (runs on Linux AND > Windows and > SPARC) so I can standardize my testing model. > > > My understand of encryption was that it ends up using padded bits > and ate up > a fair amount of overhead AND bandwidth. > I'll happily read anything you put before me to correct my > understandings. > > Ted Letofsky > Linux newbie, and apparent clueless network user > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew S. Hallacy [mailto:poptix@poptix.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:52 PM > To: Ted S. Letofsky > Cc: 'Randy Clarksean'; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN > > > On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 10:59 -0500, Ted S. Letofsky wrote: > > >> Hi Randy >> >> The WIRE speed of a 10bT NIC is approximately 1 MB / Second The WIRE >> speed of a 100bT NIC is approximately 10 MB / Second The WIRE >> speed of >> a 1000bT NIC is approximately 100 MB / Second >> >> In reality, you can get all of 1MB / Second in 10bT >> You can get, (IF YOU PUSH HARD) about 6.5MB /Second in 100bT You can >> get, (IF YOU PUSH REALLY HARD) about 37 MB Second in 1000bT. >> >> >> > > What kind of CRACK are you smoking? 10mbit ethernet will move 1.2MB/s, > 100mbit ethernet will move 12MB/s, and 1000mbit ethernet/fiber will > move > 120MB/s. There is no 'push really hard'. > > These are real numbers that I see *every day* on a real network, > there is no > 'i get a better signal with this monster cable gold plated ethernet > so my > network goes faster' when it comes to ethernet, it's either there > (full > speed) or it isn't (framing errors and collisions aside). > > [snip mostly correct jumbo frames info] > > >> Also, as is obvious, you're likely going to get WAY better >> performance >> across NFS or (god help you) SAMBA, than you will over SSH, due to >> encryption taking up lots of bandwidth. >> >> >> > > The overhead with SSH is CPU, the actual encryption data isn't much > larger > than the original unencrypted data. > > { snipped - misc. signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From poptix at poptix.net Fri Jul 8 01:21:02 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Fri Jul 8 01:22:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: <6A0491D3-28B7-42C6-A694-306F0DEBD7FF@botwerks.org> References: <006701c58321$28093a60$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> <6A0491D3-28B7-42C6-A694-306F0DEBD7FF@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <1120803662.23561.29.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 00:58 -0500, steve ulrich wrote: > candidly, i have a bit of incredulity associated with these numbers > given that typically poor instrumentation available at the > application layer for measuring this type of stuff. if you're really > interested in the number of bits you're moving i wouldn't look too > the instrumentation available from ncftp. i take my instrumentation > right from the interfaces, but then that's just me. > > when using TCP based protocols for file transfer i haven't seen the > 1.2x10^n Mbyte numbers that mr. hallacy quotes. i've seen numbers > better than the numbers you've initially quoted, but i haven't seen > the numbers mr. hallacy quotes. I assume you agree with everything but the GE numbers, I can see why. In most applications (Internet based) you'll have a hard time ever saturating a single GE link due to MTU issues. On the local network (where I'm coming from) we're using 9k MTU's because the servers in question never need to talk to the 'net. This leads to much higher performance (the most I've ever squeezed out of a 1500 byte MTU over GE is around 450mbit/s). This is also UDP (NFS) pulling data off a striped dual 12-disk 3ware array. Data gets off the disk a lot faster than it will ever go over the wire (at least, in our application). > in fact, there's quite a body of > interesting work taking place in the research community that points > to further optimization in the L4 protocols to improve performance. > most of these enhancements focus on improving the windowing > mechanisms on TCP. for the most part TCP implementations haven't > kept pace with the improvements in network capacity and the ability > to clock data into larger payloads more efficiently. TCP has a > nagging thing about "fairness". Yes, but that's only per-stream. I'm talking about many connections. From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jul 8 07:31:43 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Fri Jul 8 07:32:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: <006701c58321$28093a60$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Ted Letofsky wrote: > I often use iometer to benchtest my numbers (runs on Linux AND Windows and > SPARC) so I can standardize my testing model. SPARC is an architecture, not an OS. I regularly (exclusively, really) run Linux on SPARC boxen. Perhaps you were thinking of SunOS/Solaris? (Although I try to avoid that...) Jima Linux/SPARC guy From tletofsky at umwcs.com Fri Jul 8 10:12:49 2005 From: tletofsky at umwcs.com (Ted S. Letofsky) Date: Fri Jul 8 10:14:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: <1120803662.23561.29.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> Message-ID: <002f01c583cf$87609590$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> Matthew, (et al) I stand corrected. I should restate my understanding and relate it to the framework in which I originally comment. With your MTU jacked up high, acknowledging that you won't be speaking to the internet or machines without equal MTU settings, I expect to see approx 70-80 MB per second on a SINGLE stream in a GbE environment, I don't see why you would NOT be able to fully saturate the bus and get VERY close to wire speed on ANY interface where you've made those setting changes. When I was originally posting to the list-serve to respond to Randy, my point of view was (probably still is) skewed that I work with customers every day in heterogeneous environments looking to increase backup and restoral speeds. The restrictions under which many of them labor include the inability to add interfaces, the need to have the interface for backup, also do all the connectivity duty (thus, NO MTU tuning) and often the Operating System and/or CPU being unable to wring out more performance immediately. Thus my comments on TCP/IP Offload Engine cards, which free up the computer from doing all the work. I fully concur with your statement that with MTU set to 9K and utilizing many connections, you can get wire speed or close on a given interface. Ted -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Matthew S. Hallacy Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:21 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org; steve ulrich Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 00:58 -0500, steve ulrich wrote: > candidly, i have a bit of incredulity associated with these numbers > given that typically poor instrumentation available at the > application layer for measuring this type of stuff. if you're really > interested in the number of bits you're moving i wouldn't look too > the instrumentation available from ncftp. i take my instrumentation > right from the interfaces, but then that's just me. > > when using TCP based protocols for file transfer i haven't seen the > 1.2x10^n Mbyte numbers that mr. hallacy quotes. i've seen numbers > better than the numbers you've initially quoted, but i haven't seen > the numbers mr. hallacy quotes. I assume you agree with everything but the GE numbers, I can see why. In most applications (Internet based) you'll have a hard time ever saturating a single GE link due to MTU issues. On the local network (where I'm coming from) we're using 9k MTU's because the servers in question never need to talk to the 'net. This leads to much higher performance (the most I've ever squeezed out of a 1500 byte MTU over GE is around 450mbit/s). This is also UDP (NFS) pulling data off a striped dual 12-disk 3ware array. Data gets off the disk a lot faster than it will ever go over the wire (at least, in our application). > in fact, there's quite a body of > interesting work taking place in the research community that points > to further optimization in the L4 protocols to improve performance. > most of these enhancements focus on improving the windowing > mechanisms on TCP. for the most part TCP implementations haven't > kept pace with the improvements in network capacity and the ability > to clock data into larger payloads more efficiently. TCP has a > nagging thing about "fairness". Yes, but that's only per-stream. I'm talking about many connections. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Jul 8 11:52:54 2005 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Fri Jul 8 11:54:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Data Transfer Speeds - LAN In-Reply-To: <1120803662.23561.29.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> References: <006701c58321$28093a60$cd02a8c0@INSPIRON8500> <6A0491D3-28B7-42C6-A694-306F0DEBD7FF@botwerks.org> <1120803662.23561.29.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> Message-ID: <61DA9988-63F3-4480-9087-C9914535B066@botwerks.org> hey matt- misc. comments inline On Jul 8, 2005, at 1:21 AM, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 00:58 -0500, steve ulrich wrote: > > >> candidly, i have a bit of incredulity associated with these numbers >> given that typically poor instrumentation available at the >> application layer for measuring this type of stuff. if you're really >> interested in the number of bits you're moving i wouldn't look too >> the instrumentation available from ncftp. i take my instrumentation >> right from the interfaces, but then that's just me. >> >> when using TCP based protocols for file transfer i haven't seen the >> 1.2x10^n Mbyte numbers that mr. hallacy quotes. i've seen numbers >> better than the numbers you've initially quoted, but i haven't seen >> the numbers mr. hallacy quotes. >> > > I assume you agree with everything but the GE numbers, I can see > why. In > most applications (Internet based) you'll have a hard time ever > saturating a single GE link due to MTU issues. On the local network > (where I'm coming from) we're using 9k MTU's because the servers in > question never need to talk to the 'net. This leads to much higher > performance (the most I've ever squeezed out of a 1500 byte MTU > over GE > is around 450mbit/s). This is also UDP (NFS) pulling data off > a striped dual 12-disk 3ware array. Data gets off the disk a lot > faster > than it will ever go over the wire (at least, in our application). you're correct, the only thing i really take issue with are the GE numbers. most stacks that i've interacted with haven't been quite up to the task of saturating a GE link in an intelligent manner. at least not without a fair amount of tweaking. the higher MTU is a big win for throughput, though in my experience single flow performance on a GE from a PC server is more in the 700-800Mbit range. a lot of this has to do with the manner in which the OS moves the data around between the constituent IO elements. or the application developer does in some cases. >> in fact, there's quite a body of >> interesting work taking place in the research community that points >> to further optimization in the L4 protocols to improve performance. >> most of these enhancements focus on improving the windowing >> mechanisms on TCP. for the most part TCP implementations haven't >> kept pace with the improvements in network capacity and the ability >> to clock data into larger payloads more efficiently. TCP has a >> nagging thing about "fairness". >> > > Yes, but that's only per-stream. I'm talking about many connections. > many streams will definitely drive up b/w use. though, my comments relative to performance improvements and research were directed in a more general sense. i do believe the initial discussion was surrounding backups which i interpreted to be single flow applications of relatively long duration. kind of tangential at this point in the discussion. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 8 22:41:44 2005 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri Jul 8 22:42:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SCSI-3 (Ultra 160) in Sparc (Ultra 60) Message-ID: <20050709034144.GL1049@iucha.net> Hello, Can I install a ultra 160 SCSI disk in a Sparc Ultra 60? Both use 80 pins, but I have some suspicion that the disk is LVD and the Sparc isn't and I am not sure how they would behave when connected and power applied ;) Anybody has a link to some authoritative reference or can say for sure that they tried it and it did not fry any components? Thank you, florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050708/72760497/attachment.pgp From bellsoffreedom at animail.net Sat Jul 9 07:44:29 2005 From: bellsoffreedom at animail.net (Nick Scholtes) Date: Sat Jul 9 07:46:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian Networking Message-ID: <43C047BFFCB839346AA6B4D68AD78EE2@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> Hello all, Problem: I have a winbox and a linux laptop. I had them networked perfectly and was using PSCP to pull files from linux onto Windows. I just installed Debian 3.1 on the laptop. I had Suse but they've basically "gone corporate." I wanted a better Linux. During Debian install I put in my IP addresses and the domain name, etc. Now when PSCPing from Windows it says "local to local copy not supported." How do I configure the network on Debian? I prefer a graphical interface if possible. Thank you. Nick Scholtes ?Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.? ~ Elie Wiesel Help Make Poverty History ? Sign the ONE Declaration: http://www.care2.com/go/z/endpoverty http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. Helps charities. From kc0iog at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 08:22:42 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sat Jul 9 08:24:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian Networking In-Reply-To: <43C047BFFCB839346AA6B4D68AD78EE2@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> References: <43C047BFFCB839346AA6B4D68AD78EE2@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> Message-ID: <2c6699da05070906226f8d8321@mail.gmail.com> On 7/9/05, Nick Scholtes wrote: > I have a winbox and a linux laptop. I had them > networked perfectly and was using PSCP to pull > files from linux onto Windows. > Now when PSCPing from Windows it says "local to > local copy not supported." Nick- Can you ping the debian machine from Windows? Is sshd running? "local to local copy not supported" is usually a syntax error. What is the full command you're using? -Brian From jima at beer.tclug.org Sat Jul 9 09:07:02 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Sat Jul 9 09:08:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian Networking In-Reply-To: <2c6699da05070906226f8d8321@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Brian Wall wrote: > "local to local copy not supported" is usually a syntax error. What > is the full command you're using? On that note, have you looked at WinSCP at all? As the name implies, it's a Windows SCP client. Might be less of a PITA to use than PSCP (which I know has its syntactic nuances). Unless you're scripting the transfers, or some such. The site for it is winscp.sourceforge.net . Jima From jima at beer.tclug.org Sat Jul 9 09:14:27 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Sat Jul 9 09:14:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian Networking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Jima wrote: > On that note, have you looked at WinSCP at all? As the name implies, > it's a Windows SCP client. Might be less of a PITA to use than PSCP > (which I know has its syntactic nuances). Unless you're scripting the > transfers, or some such. I probably should have put "GUI" in there somewhere. Yay for drag-n-drop interface. Jima From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Jul 9 14:09:55 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sat Jul 9 14:10:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507091909.j69J9t415851@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: PS/2 Mouse connector PS/2 mouse connector wanted for a replacement motherboard (TYAN Trinity AT 100) in an older system that didn't have the connector. That is, I need the plug in for the mouse with the connector to the motherboard. If you have a junker setting around where this part is removable, that may be very adequate. Thanks. Seller Email address: gene dot kremer at visi dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From bellsoffreedom at animail.net Sun Jul 10 01:43:47 2005 From: bellsoffreedom at animail.net (Nick Scholtes) Date: Sun Jul 10 01:44:50 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian Networking Good Message-ID: <2AE2885E3E10C344C8C88FCFEF0C78EA@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> Thank you guys! Got it working great. SSHD wasn't running. Thanks again, Nick ?Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.? ~ Elie Wiesel Help Make Poverty History ? Sign the ONE Declaration: http://www.care2.com/go/z/endpoverty http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. Helps charities. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Jul 10 12:11:31 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sun Jul 10 12:12:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507101711.j6AHBVJ31030@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 4 port KVM switch for sale Rackmountable Belkin OmniView SE 4-port KVM switch with cables to connect to two systems. $50/obo Seller Email address: sfertch at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Jul 10 14:24:01 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Sun Jul 10 14:24:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507101924.j6AJO1c00458@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: K6-2 400MHz AMD K6-2 400MHz 128MB RAM 4.3GB IDE HDD Diamond S3 Virge AGP video card (3) 3Com 3C905-TX NIC's Floppy Internal IDE 4 disc changer Baby AT case & power supply ----------------------------- Used as my primary firewall (IPCop and Smoothwall). $20/obo Seller Email address: sfertch at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 08:37:18 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jul 11 08:39:10 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian Networking In-Reply-To: References: <2c6699da05070906226f8d8321@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/9/05, Jima wrote: > > On that note, have you looked at WinSCP at all? As the name implies, > it's a Windows SCP client. Might be less of a PITA to use than PSCP > (which I know has its syntactic nuances). Unless you're scripting the > transfers, or some such. > The site for it is winscp.sourceforge.net . > FYI, you can also use FileZilla (primarily an FTP client) to access and transfer files to and from any server running a SSHd. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From patrickm at citilink.com Mon Jul 11 14:30:38 2005 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Mon Jul 11 14:31:15 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian newbie questions In-Reply-To: <20050311211955.GC27037@iucha.net> References: <914f813c05031111206d988941@mail.gmail.com> <1469cda20503111130614b2acc@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c05031111407b5c2b90@mail.gmail.com> <4a0cafe205031111526a7052ea@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c0503111155704c7438@mail.gmail.com> <4a0cafe205031112045218fe86@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c050311121143e06460@mail.gmail.com> <9d6c825305031112291dd5d37e@mail.gmail.com> <9d6c8253050311125337d53cfa@mail.gmail.com> <20050311211955.GC27037@iucha.net> Message-ID: <42D2C8DE.6050408@citilink.com> After years of using mostly Mandrake, I have finally decided to make the jump to Debian. I am actually using Ubuntu (Kubuntu) at the moment - I thought it would make for an easier transition. I am trying to install packages and some of them fail with MD5 errors, example: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pango1.0/libpango1.0-0_1.8.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch I was trying to download synaptic. What should I do at this point? Is there a way around this problem? General questions: -How can I see what files a package contains? -How do I determine what package I need for a particular program? I want to get ncftpget but I don't know the package it comes in. Thanks. I know I have a lot of reading to do... Patrick McCabe From ryan.langseth at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 18:15:40 2005 From: ryan.langseth at gmail.com (Ryan Langseth) Date: Mon Jul 11 18:25:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian newbie questions In-Reply-To: <42D2C8DE.6050408@citilink.com> References: <914f813c05031111206d988941@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c05031111407b5c2b90@mail.gmail.com> <4a0cafe205031111526a7052ea@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c0503111155704c7438@mail.gmail.com> <4a0cafe205031112045218fe86@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c050311121143e06460@mail.gmail.com> <9d6c825305031112291dd5d37e@mail.gmail.com> <9d6c8253050311125337d53cfa@mail.gmail.com> <20050311211955.GC27037@iucha.net> <42D2C8DE.6050408@citilink.com> Message-ID: On 7/11/05, Patrick McCabe wrote: > After years of using mostly Mandrake, I have finally decided to make the > jump to Debian. I am actually using Ubuntu (Kubuntu) at the moment - I > thought it would make for an easier transition. > > I am trying to install packages and some of them fail with MD5 errors, > example: > > Failed to fetch > http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pango1.0/libpango1.0-0_1.8.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb > MD5Sum mismatch > > I was trying to download synaptic. What should I do at this point? Is > there a way around this problem? try doing an update (apt-get update) and try getting it again > > General questions: > -How can I see what files a package contains? dpkg -L package > -How do I determine what package I need for a particular program? apt-cache search keyword apt-cache show packagename >I want to get ncftpget but I don't know the package it comes in. apt-cache search ncftp or apt-cache search ncftpget > Thanks. I know I have a lot of reading to do... > > > Patrick McCabe -Ryan From kc0iog at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 18:29:55 2005 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon Jul 11 18:31:06 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian newbie questions In-Reply-To: <42D2C8DE.6050408@citilink.com> References: <914f813c05031111206d988941@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c05031111407b5c2b90@mail.gmail.com> <4a0cafe205031111526a7052ea@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c0503111155704c7438@mail.gmail.com> <4a0cafe205031112045218fe86@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c050311121143e06460@mail.gmail.com> <9d6c825305031112291dd5d37e@mail.gmail.com> <9d6c8253050311125337d53cfa@mail.gmail.com> <20050311211955.GC27037@iucha.net> <42D2C8DE.6050408@citilink.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da05071116293a48af68@mail.gmail.com> On 7/11/05, Patrick McCabe wrote: > After years of using mostly Mandrake, I have finally decided to make the > jump to Debian. I am actually using Ubuntu (Kubuntu) at the moment - I > thought it would make for an easier transition. Ubuntu makes a really nice desktop system, probably an easy transition from Mandrake like you say. > I am trying to install packages and some of them fail with MD5 errors, If I'm not mistaken, Ubuntu uses round robin DNS just like Debian does. Sometimes a particular mirror will be syncing a package or something else that could cause a momentarily corrupt package. Usually when I get any sort of download error, I try the download a couple times (in theory, a different server every time). If that fails, I wait an hour and try again. It's rare that I get a package that refuses to download. And of course, 'apt-get update' regurlary. > I was trying to download synaptic. What should I do at this point? Is > there a way around this problem? You could try manually browsing out to a mirror and downloading it. It's a bit of a pain to manually md5sum it, but you can determine whether or not the package is broke or part of apt is broke. md5sum may be broken, or worst case you may have a trojaned md5sum binary. > -How can I see what files a package contains? Not sure, haven't needed that yet. > -How do I determine what package I need for a particular program? I want > to get ncftpget but I don't know the package it comes in. 'apt-cache search ncftp' > Thanks. I know I have a lot of reading to do... between apt and dpkg, you should find all the tools you need to wrangle your packages. Good luck. -Brian From dan.drake at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 22:02:34 2005 From: dan.drake at gmail.com (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jul 11 22:05:17 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian box mysteriously can't connect to internet Message-ID: I have a wireless network that works fine, for all but one computer. This computer is running Debian unstable. It connects to the wireless network fine, and I can ping the router and connect to its administration web page...but nothing beyond that. I can't connect to *anything* beyond the router: not by name (umn.edu, etc) or IP address (128.101.101.101 is a DNS server at the U). No other computer in the house has a problem. This computer worked fine until several days ago. I haven't changed anything in the network configuration. Rebooting doesn't change anything. The most recent version of Knoppix doesn't even boot; it hangs when detecting AGP. An older version of Knoppix had the same network problem, but the CD was a bit wonky. Any ideas what's wrong? Should I demote this machine to a doorstop? Dan -- Dan Drake From dniesen at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 22:19:47 2005 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen) Date: Mon Jul 11 22:21:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian box mysteriously can't connect to internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47f4d5e705071120197d32ef5e@mail.gmail.com> What does the "nameserver" line in your /etc/resolv.conf say? On 7/11/05, Dan Drake wrote: > I have a wireless network that works fine, for all but one computer. > > This computer is running Debian unstable. It connects to the wireless > network fine, and I can ping the router and connect to its > administration web page...but nothing beyond that. I can't connect to > *anything* beyond the router: not by name (umn.edu, etc) or IP address > (128.101.101.101 is a DNS server at the U). > > No other computer in the house has a problem. This computer worked > fine until several days ago. I haven't changed anything in the network > configuration. Rebooting doesn't change anything. The most recent > version of Knoppix doesn't even boot; it hangs when detecting AGP. An > older version of Knoppix had the same network problem, but the CD was > a bit wonky. > > Any ideas what's wrong? Should I demote this machine to a doorstop? > > Dan > > -- > Dan Drake > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Donovan Niesen dniesen@gmail.com From scotjenkins at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 22:53:44 2005 From: scotjenkins at gmail.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jul 11 22:55:19 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] TERM variable under Debian sarge Message-ID: I have several systems running Debian sarge. All were upgrades from woody. On just one system, when I ssh in and run screen(1), $TERM gets set to screen.linux instead of just "screen" like it does on the other systems. This hoses things when I ssh to remote systems from the host with the bad TERM variable. The remote hosts don't know what to do with TERM=screen.linux. All systems have the same version of the Debian screen pkg and /etc/screenrc is identical on all systems. I even tried purging and re-installing screen on the broken host. I've also tried running with no $HOME/.screenrc and with a $HOME/.screenrc from one of the other "non-broken" Debian systems. In all cases, TERM is still set to "screen.linux" by this one host. Any ideas what else to look for? thanks, scot From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 23:06:53 2005 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan) Date: Mon Jul 11 23:09:21 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian box mysteriously can't connect to internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <307a337f0507112106dbec939@mail.gmail.com> On 7/11/05, Dan Drake wrote: > I have a wireless network that works fine, for all but one computer. > > This computer is running Debian unstable. It connects to the wireless > network fine, and I can ping the router and connect to its > administration web page...but nothing beyond that. I can't connect to > *anything* beyond the router: not by name (umn.edu, etc) or IP address > (128.101.101.101 is a DNS server at the U). > > No other computer in the house has a problem. This computer worked > fine until several days ago. I haven't changed anything in the network > configuration. Rebooting doesn't change anything. The most recent > version of Knoppix doesn't even boot; it hangs when detecting AGP. An > older version of Knoppix had the same network problem, but the CD was > a bit wonky. > > Any ideas what's wrong? Should I demote this machine to a doorstop? > > Dan > > -- I ran into issues with Ubuntu which is Debian based. The googles I got back seemed to point to Ipv6 being enabled by default as a culprit. That could be your case too. From dan.drake at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 07:27:18 2005 From: dan.drake at gmail.com (Dan Drake) Date: Tue Jul 12 07:29:22 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian box mysteriously can't connect to internet In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e705071120197d32ef5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e705071120197d32ef5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/11/05, Donovan Niesen wrote: > What does the "nameserver" line in your /etc/resolv.conf say? The resolv.conf is exactly the same as my Powerbook, also on my home network: domain mn.rr.com nameserver 24.26.163.32 nameserver 24.94.163.229 The IPv6 suggestion seems more likely, but I can connect to other machines in the house via IPv4. And this machine was working fine last week, and I haven't made any significant changes to it. Dan -- Dan Drake From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 07:37:53 2005 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan) Date: Tue Jul 12 07:38:58 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian box mysteriously can't connect to internet In-Reply-To: References: <47f4d5e705071120197d32ef5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <307a337f05071205374a60448e@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/05, Dan Drake wrote: > On 7/11/05, Donovan Niesen wrote: > > What does the "nameserver" line in your /etc/resolv.conf say? > > The resolv.conf is exactly the same as my Powerbook, also on my home network: > > domain mn.rr.com > nameserver 24.26.163.32 > nameserver 24.94.163.229 > > The IPv6 suggestion seems more likely, but I can connect to other > machines in the house via IPv4. And this machine was working fine last > week, and I haven't made any significant changes to it. > > Dan > > -- > Dan Drake > Here is a good article on general Debian setup. Scan down to the part about network configuration and see that your configs are similar. http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/perfect_setup_debian_sarge/index.php From patrickm at citilink.com Tue Jul 12 13:46:05 2005 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Tue Jul 12 13:47:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian newbie questions In-Reply-To: <2c6699da05071116293a48af68@mail.gmail.com> References: <914f813c05031111206d988941@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c05031111407b5c2b90@mail.gmail.com> <4a0cafe205031111526a7052ea@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c0503111155704c7438@mail.gmail.com> <4a0cafe205031112045218fe86@mail.gmail.com> <914f813c050311121143e06460@mail.gmail.com> <9d6c825305031112291dd5d37e@mail.gmail.com> <9d6c8253050311125337d53cfa@mail.gmail.com> <20050311211955.GC27037@iucha.net> <42D2C8DE.6050408@citilink.com> <2c6699da05071116293a48af68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42D40FED.20706@citilink.com> Brian Wall wrote: > On 7/11/05, Patrick McCabe wrote: > >>I am trying to install packages and some of them fail with MD5 errors, > > If I'm not mistaken, Ubuntu uses round robin DNS just like Debian > does. Sometimes a particular mirror will be syncing a package or > something else that could cause a momentarily corrupt package. > Usually when I get any sort of download error, I try the download a > couple times (in theory, a different server every time). If that > fails, I wait an hour and try again. It's rare that I get a package > that refuses to download. And of course, 'apt-get update' regurlary. > > >>I was trying to download synaptic. What should I do at this point? Is >>there a way around this problem? > > > You could try manually browsing out to a mirror and downloading it. > It's a bit of a pain to manually md5sum it, but you can determine > whether or not the package is broke or part of apt is broke. md5sum > may be broken, or worst case you may have a trojaned md5sum binary. > I added a local mirror http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu to the sources.list file and the install worked fine. Using the default sources (http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu) would consistently fail the MD5 check. Don't know why. Thanks for your help. Patrick From andyzib at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 15:55:30 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Tue Jul 12 15:57:27 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian box mysteriously can't connect to internet In-Reply-To: <307a337f05071205374a60448e@mail.gmail.com> References: <47f4d5e705071120197d32ef5e@mail.gmail.com> <307a337f05071205374a60448e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you get a new kernel from an unstable update lately? Try: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn If you get 1... echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. From dan at dandrake.org Tue Jul 12 22:04:00 2005 From: dan at dandrake.org (dan) Date: Tue Jul 12 22:05:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian box mysteriously can't connect to internet - FIXED In-Reply-To: References: <47f4d5e705071120197d32ef5e@mail.gmail.com> <307a337f05071205374a60448e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050713030400.GA9074@dandrake.org> My Debian box now mysteriously CAN connect to the net. I booted it up this evening, and it's all fine. I didn't change anything from last night, and now it works. I have no idea why. But I'm not complaining... Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I appreciate it. Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050712/a7489311/attachment.pgp From tjohnsen at saintbernardengineering.com Wed Jul 13 00:01:40 2005 From: tjohnsen at saintbernardengineering.com (Tore Johnsen) Date: Wed Jul 13 00:01:31 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie looking for general advice to remote file server access Message-ID: Hi, I'm new to Linux and I'm looking for some general advice. What I'd like to do is to set up a Linux file server using Samba (and a Subversion server using Apache but that may not be relevant to my question). I need Windows client machines to connect to the file server accross the Internet. I would like the client machines to be able to access and operate on the served files as if they where on their local drive - and here is where this newbie is getting fuzzy on the protocols and what can be easily done. What is the best way to do this with reasonable security? Do I use SSH or VPN ? Is it at all a good idea to use Linux or should I go with a Windows Server instead? I'd appreciate any advice you may have. Thanks in advance! -Tore From josh at joshwelch.com Wed Jul 13 07:37:53 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Wed Jul 13 07:41:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie looking for general advice to remote file server access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42D50B21.8030803@joshwelch.com> Tore Johnsen wrote: Hi, I'm new to Linux and I'm looking for some general advice. What I'd like to do is to set up a Linux file server using Samba (and a Subversion server using Apache but that may not be relevant to my question). I need Windows client machines to connect to the file server accross the Internet. I would like the client machines to be able to access and operate on the served files as if they where on their local drive - and here is where this newbie is getting fuzzy on the protocols and what can be easily done. What is the best way to do this with reasonable security? Do I use SSH or VPN ? Is it at all a good idea to use Linux or should I go with a Windows Server instead? --- When I hear "use files as if they are on their local machine" I am assuming that you plan on mapping drives for your clients to the file server. This would typically indicate that you would be using Samba on the file server. In that situation it would be a good idea to use some sort of a VPN for your clients not on the LAN. You could use IPSec, SSL, L2TP or others, though that is a discussion in and of itself probably worth its own thread. Alternatively, I saw a link to this software the other day, http://www.southrivertech.com/index.php?pg=./products/webdrive/index. It may have even been posted on this list, I don't recall. Basically that software allows you to map a drive using SFTP, which would pretty much remove the need for a VPN. When given the choice between a Linux server and a Windows server there are few times I could imagine choosing the Windows server. Josh From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Jul 12 22:08:48 2005 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed Jul 13 07:47:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page Message-ID: I recently upgraded my DSL to the new 1.5Mb service from Qwest. It required me to upgrade the modem to the Actiontec. Not sure I like it. First off, whenever I tried to run bittorrent to download the latest FC4 test image, it would lock up the modem after an hour or so. Turns out I need to manually set some of the netfilter parameters to limit the amount of memory the net table will eat up. See http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13388402?hilite=actiontec+telnet Anyone know a way to make this permement? The other problem I have, is I have a web server. I have port forwarding set up to forward external connections on port 80 to my server. But if I try to access the web page via my static IP address from inside, I get the *^%(&^$ actiontec setup menu. Anyone know how to disable this short of disabling the actiontec web server? Can I do modem configuration via telnet? Thanks in Advance. From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Jul 12 08:28:23 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed Jul 13 08:29:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: <7844584.1121258910649.JavaMail.root@Sniper26> References: <7844584.1121258910649.JavaMail.root@Sniper26> Message-ID: <200507120828.24648.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Tuesday 12 July 2005 10:08 pm, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I recently upgraded my DSL to the new 1.5Mb service from Qwest. It > required me to upgrade the modem to the Actiontec. Not sure I like it. > > First off, whenever I tried to run bittorrent to download the latest FC4 > test image, it would lock up the modem after an hour or so. Turns out I > need to manually set some of the netfilter parameters to limit the amount > of memory the net table will eat up. See > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13388402?hilite=actiontec+telnet > > Anyone know a way to make this permement? > > The other problem I have, is I have a web server. I have port forwarding > set up to forward external connections on port 80 to my server. But if I > try to access the web page via my static IP address from inside, I get the > *^%(&^$ actiontec setup menu. Anyone know how to disable this short of > disabling the actiontec web server? Can I do modem configuration via > telnet? > > Thanks in Advance. What model Actiontec do you have? Is it a the beige 152x model or the dark gray gt701 model? In either case you should be able to telnet into the router from the inside but you may need to set up an administrator password via the web first. What router did you use before this one? Also, via the general concepts of NAT/PAT you should not be able to use your external IP address to get to anything internally behind the router doing NAT/PAT. There are configurations you can make to override this behavior of course. From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jul 13 08:33:51 2005 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Wed Jul 13 08:36:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Maildrop filtering for virtual users (postfix)? Message-ID: <42D5183F.3030208@veldy.net> TCLUG - Has anybody implemented filtering for virtual users via Maildrop? I have a postfix installation with a mysql backend running virtual users for several virtual domains. I would like to implement filtering (manual configuration of files is fine). Does anybody have any experience getting this to work well? FWIW, I am using postfixadmin to manage everything. Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse From tclug at beitsahour.net Wed Jul 13 08:53:44 2005 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Wed Jul 13 08:57:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page References: Message-ID: Wayne Johnson writes: > I recently upgraded my DSL to the new 1.5Mb service from Qwest. It required > me to upgrade the modem to the Actiontec. Not sure I like it. Qwest is trying is telling all their customers who have cisco routers that they need to upgrade, even if they have Cisco678s that will still work. so, if you have a Cisco678 go ahead and use that, if you had a 678 with a CAP image you need to flash it. on the other hand, if you have a 678 and want to continue using the craptiontec, what do you want for the 678? -- Munir Nassar From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jul 13 09:25:01 2005 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Wed Jul 13 09:25:37 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42D5243D.40108@veldy.net> Munir Nassar wrote: > > Qwest is trying is telling all their customers who have cisco routers > that they need to upgrade, even if they have Cisco678s that will still > work. > > so, if you have a Cisco678 go ahead and use that, if you had a 678 > with a CAP image you need to flash it. > > on the other hand, if you have a 678 and want to continue using the > craptiontec, what do you want for the 678? > The Cisco 678 is selling VERY cheaply on Ebay right now, and has for quite sometime. They range from about $5 to $40. Tom Veldhouse From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 13 10:04:11 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Wed Jul 13 10:04:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Munir Nassar wrote: > Wayne Johnson writes: > > I recently upgraded my DSL to the new 1.5Mb service from Qwest. It required > > me to upgrade the modem to the Actiontec. Not sure I like it. > > Qwest is trying is telling all their customers who have cisco routers that > they need to upgrade, even if they have Cisco678s that will still work. Yep. If you had a 675, that's useless (and has been for years), but they're telling people 678s "won't work" with the new installs, and that's just false. Through odd circumstances they sold us a GT701 and comp'ed us for it. I used it for a while, but experienced the lockups mentioned by the OP (or similar lockups, maybe). Unfortunately, with the 678 the synch dropped every time the phone (on a different line than the DSL circuit, oddly) rang. I narrowed it down to some extraneous wiring installed by the people who sold us our phone system, and once I removed a pair of bridge clips, the problem went away. As did the GT701 (and its horrible UI). The 678 may be long since EOL'd, but it still does what I want it to do. I've had nothing but problems with ActionTec DSL modems (as Real-Time might remember). Jima From tj at kewlness.net Wed Jul 13 10:39:57 2005 From: tj at kewlness.net (T.J. Duchene) Date: Wed Jul 13 10:41:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian MD5 Sums In-Reply-To: <200507131344.j6DDiEBe026669@alythea.kewlness.net> References: <200507131344.j6DDiEBe026669@alythea.kewlness.net> Message-ID: <42D535CD.2050009@kewlness.net> >---------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> >> >>>I am trying to install packages and some of them fail with MD5 errors, >>> >>> >>> >>> If you are getting bad sums on the packages, especially from unstable, then it's likely dpkg/apt "available" package cache hasn't been updated recently with the new package checksums. It's also quite possible that some mirrors are being updated slower than others, thus causing some inconsistancy when using round robin. Normally, this hasn't been a problem. The last Debian release though seems less consistant on that point, however. If you update your systems from the same mirror consistantly at regular intervals, it seems to resolve the problem. T.J. > > From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Jul 12 11:17:21 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed Jul 13 11:17:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: <7100927.1121267292278.JavaMail.root@sniper33> References: <7100927.1121267292278.JavaMail.root@sniper33> Message-ID: <200507121117.21804.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Wednesday 13 July 2005 10:04 am, Jima wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Munir Nassar wrote: > > Wayne Johnson writes: > > > I recently upgraded my DSL to the new 1.5Mb service from Qwest. It > > > required me to upgrade the modem to the Actiontec. Not sure I like it. > > > > Qwest is trying is telling all their customers who have cisco routers > > that they need to upgrade, even if they have Cisco678s that will still > > work. > > Yep. If you had a 675, that's useless (and has been for years), but > they're telling people 678s "won't work" with the new installs, and that's > just false. > Through odd circumstances they sold us a GT701 and comp'ed us for it. I > used it for a while, but experienced the lockups mentioned by the OP (or > similar lockups, maybe). Unfortunately, with the 678 the synch dropped > every time the phone (on a different line than the DSL circuit, oddly) > rang. I narrowed it down to some extraneous wiring installed by the > people who sold us our phone system, and once I removed a pair of bridge > clips, the problem went away. As did the GT701 (and its horrible UI). > The 678 may be long since EOL'd, but it still does what I want it to do. > I've had nothing but problems with ActionTec DSL modems (as Real-Time > might remember). > > Jima > The Cisco 675 is not completely worthless. If for example you still have an older CAP line from Qwest and your current router dies. You can use a Cisco 675 or a 678 as long as the 678 has a CAP cbos loaded. Note 2.4.8 is the latest (and likely last) version cbos for the cisco 67x dsl routers. Also the actiontecs may need to have their firmware updated too. From blawrence at qwest.net Wed Jul 13 11:24:24 2005 From: blawrence at qwest.net (blawrence@qwest.net) Date: Wed Jul 13 11:25:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page Message-ID: <380-220057313162424906@M2W118.mail2web.com> Does anyone know how well the Sangoma S518 ADSL cards work with Qwest's 1.5Mb service? Brian Original Message: ----------------- From: Justin Krejci jus@krytosvirus.com Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:17:21 -0500 To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page On Wednesday 13 July 2005 10:04 am, Jima wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Munir Nassar wrote: > > Wayne Johnson writes: > > > I recently upgraded my DSL to the new 1.5Mb service from Qwest. It > > > required me to upgrade the modem to the Actiontec. Not sure I like it. > > > > Qwest is trying is telling all their customers who have cisco routers > > that they need to upgrade, even if they have Cisco678s that will still > > work. > > Yep. If you had a 675, that's useless (and has been for years), but > they're telling people 678s "won't work" with the new installs, and that's > just false. > Through odd circumstances they sold us a GT701 and comp'ed us for it. I > used it for a while, but experienced the lockups mentioned by the OP (or > similar lockups, maybe). Unfortunately, with the 678 the synch dropped > every time the phone (on a different line than the DSL circuit, oddly) > rang. I narrowed it down to some extraneous wiring installed by the > people who sold us our phone system, and once I removed a pair of bridge > clips, the problem went away. As did the GT701 (and its horrible UI). > The 678 may be long since EOL'd, but it still does what I want it to do. > I've had nothing but problems with ActionTec DSL modems (as Real-Time > might remember). > > Jima > The Cisco 675 is not completely worthless. If for example you still have an older CAP line from Qwest and your current router dies. You can use a Cisco 675 or a 678 as long as the 678 has a CAP cbos loaded. Note 2.4.8 is the latest (and likely last) version cbos for the cisco 67x dsl routers. Also the actiontecs may need to have their firmware updated too. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 13 11:37:50 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Wed Jul 13 11:39:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: <200507121117.21804.jus@krytosvirus.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Justin Krejci wrote: > On Wednesday 13 July 2005 10:04 am, Jima wrote: > > Yep. If you had a 675, that's useless (and has been for years), but > > they're telling people 678s "won't work" with the new installs, and that's > > just false. > > The Cisco 675 is not completely worthless. If for example you still have an > older CAP line from Qwest and your current router dies. You can use a Cisco > 675 or a 678 as long as the 678 has a CAP cbos loaded. Note 2.4.8 is the > latest (and likely last) version cbos for the cisco 67x dsl routers. Fair enough. I should have specified "for new lines." If, for whatever reason, you still had a CAP line and needed a replacement 675, though, I'm sure *plenty* of people would be willing to give away their 675 for the cause, assuming they haven't thrown them out already. > Also the actiontecs may need to have their firmware updated too. Possible. I seem to recall the firmware upgrade page for the GT701 not saying what version you were downloading, which made it rather difficult to figure out. I needed the line up, *then*, so I switched it out. Jima From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Jul 13 11:45:35 2005 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed Jul 13 11:44:35 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: <200507120828.24648.jus@krytosvirus.com> Message-ID: I was running the 675 in bridge mode, and now the GT701 in router mode. Accessing my web server works fine from the outside, because I have port forwarding set up. It's just that from the inside, the GT701 seems to answer the get instead for forwarding it to the server. I can understand the GT701 responding to a get on 192.168.0.1 on port 80, but I'm sending the get to my static IP address (209.240.253.215). -----Original Message----- From: Justin Krejci [mailto:jus@krytosvirus.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:28 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Cc: Wayne Johnson Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page On Tuesday 12 July 2005 10:08 pm, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I recently upgraded my DSL to the new 1.5Mb service from Qwest. It > required me to upgrade the modem to the Actiontec. Not sure I like it. > > First off, whenever I tried to run bittorrent to download the latest FC4 > test image, it would lock up the modem after an hour or so. Turns out I > need to manually set some of the netfilter parameters to limit the amount > of memory the net table will eat up. See > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13388402?hilite=actiontec+telnet > > Anyone know a way to make this permement? > > The other problem I have, is I have a web server. I have port forwarding > set up to forward external connections on port 80 to my server. But if I > try to access the web page via my static IP address from inside, I get the > *^%(&^$ actiontec setup menu. Anyone know how to disable this short of > disabling the actiontec web server? Can I do modem configuration via > telnet? > > Thanks in Advance. What model Actiontec do you have? Is it a the beige 152x model or the dark gray gt701 model? In either case you should be able to telnet into the router from the inside but you may need to set up an administrator password via the web first. What router did you use before this one? Also, via the general concepts of NAT/PAT you should not be able to use your external IP address to get to anything internally behind the router doing NAT/PAT. There are configurations you can make to override this behavior of course. From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Jul 13 11:48:49 2005 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed Jul 13 11:48:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Apparently the catch is that if you want the 1.5Mb, you need the new modems (701 or 678). -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jima Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:38 AM To: Justin Krejci Cc: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Justin Krejci wrote: > On Wednesday 13 July 2005 10:04 am, Jima wrote: > > Yep. If you had a 675, that's useless (and has been for years), but > > they're telling people 678s "won't work" with the new installs, and that's > > just false. > > The Cisco 675 is not completely worthless. If for example you still have an > older CAP line from Qwest and your current router dies. You can use a Cisco > 675 or a 678 as long as the 678 has a CAP cbos loaded. Note 2.4.8 is the > latest (and likely last) version cbos for the cisco 67x dsl routers. Fair enough. I should have specified "for new lines." If, for whatever reason, you still had a CAP line and needed a replacement 675, though, I'm sure *plenty* of people would be willing to give away their 675 for the cause, assuming they haven't thrown them out already. > Also the actiontecs may need to have their firmware updated too. Possible. I seem to recall the firmware upgrade page for the GT701 not saying what version you were downloading, which made it rather difficult to figure out. I needed the line up, *then*, so I switched it out. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at natecarlson.com Wed Jul 13 11:49:05 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Wed Jul 13 11:49:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: <380-220057313162424906@M2W118.mail2web.com> References: <380-220057313162424906@M2W118.mail2web.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, blawrence@qwest.net wrote: > Does anyone know how well the Sangoma S518 ADSL cards work with Qwest's > 1.5Mb service? They are supposed to work just fine.. I've got the 7mb service, and am considering picking up one of those cards instead of using the Actiontec piece'o'junk. Only problem is the actiontec is working fine right now, and I'll probably be moving in 6 months, and don't know if I'll be able to get DSL wherever I end up going, so not sure if it's worth buying. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 13 11:55:07 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Wed Jul 13 11:59:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: > Apparently the catch is that if you want the 1.5Mb, you need the new modems > (701 or 678). Actually, IIRC, the 675s were capable of up to 7mbit down. It's just for the "new" 1.5mbit service, they reprovision your line, switching it to DMT. I'm sure they want to get rid of the last of the CAP hardware in the COs (not that I can blame them). Jima From adam at whee.org Wed Jul 13 11:47:00 2005 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Wed Jul 13 12:03:38 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I was running the 675 in bridge mode, and now the GT701 in router mode. > > Accessing my web server works fine from the outside, because I have port > forwarding set up. It's just that from the inside, the GT701 seems to > answer the get instead for forwarding it to the server. > > I can understand the GT701 responding to a get on 192.168.0.1 on port 80, > but I'm sending the get to my static IP address (209.240.253.215). It's the NAT - the packet is coming in on the same interface it's supposed to go out once it gets NATted. My 675 and 678 did the same thing at home, so does my PIX at work. From andyzib at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 12:29:09 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Wed Jul 13 12:30:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie looking for general advice to remote file server access In-Reply-To: <42D50B21.8030803@joshwelch.com> References: <42D50B21.8030803@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: I think you can do some drive mapping via WebDAV as well, though I can't remember how. I don't think I have the client installed on my windows box. You really don't want samba server directly accessable via the internet, so a VPN solution is needed. However, windows file sharing over a slow connection is usually dodgy. If you're not sitting on the same network, I wouldn't bother. :) SFTP and SNFS have clients that allow drive mapping using SSH, and speed wise these are slightly better, but not by an incredible amount. > When given the choice between a Linux server and a Windows server there > are few times I could imagine choosing the Windows server. Oh there are plenty of times in the real business world were you will opt for Windows over Linux. ;-) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jul 13 12:39:20 2005 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Wed Jul 13 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42D551C8.4030308@veldy.net> Wayne Johnson wrote: >Apparently the catch is that if you want the 1.5Mb, you need the new modems >(701 or 678). > > > > No you don't. You just need a DMT capable modem. Further, to get support from QWest for the modem, you will need to have a Cisco 678 or one of the offered Actiontec models. If you don't care about support, you can use any DMT capable modem/router you like. It has nothing at all to do with 1.5Mbps other than they require you to use DMT (because it is a provisioning change and their rule is that any changes will automatically convert an old CAP account to DMT). Tom Veldhouse From jus at krytosvirus.com Tue Jul 12 13:31:01 2005 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed Jul 13 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: <31457547.1121273069366.JavaMail.root@sniper2> References: <31457547.1121273069366.JavaMail.root@sniper2> Message-ID: <200507121331.02463.jus@krytosvirus.com> On Wednesday 13 July 2005 11:45 am, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I was running the 675 in bridge mode, and now the GT701 in router mode. > > Accessing my web server works fine from the outside, because I have port > forwarding set up. It's just that from the inside, the GT701 seems to > answer the get instead for forwarding it to the server. > > I can understand the GT701 responding to a get on 192.168.0.1 on port 80, > but I'm sending the get to my static IP address (209.240.253.215). > Yes. That is the difference between bridged mode and router/ppp mode and has nothing to do with the hardware brand. The Actiontecs support bridged mode as well, at which point it is up to your ISP to support/configure your account for bridge or router/ppp mode. With a bridge mode your actiontec/cisco/whatever acts basically like a 2 port hub (bridge) converting your ATM DSL WAN traffic into ethernet LAN traffic and thus does not have or at least does not need an IP address for normal operation and your static IP address was configured on your server. From josh at joshwelch.com Wed Jul 13 13:59:32 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Wed Jul 13 14:03:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie looking for general advice to remote file server access In-Reply-To: References: <42D50B21.8030803@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <42D56494.3070407@joshwelch.com> Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > > Oh there are plenty of times in the real business world were you will > opt for Windows over Linux. ;-) > Umm, no. Speaking as someone in the "real" business world who deals with "real" business issues the only times I can think of that I've opted for a Windows server has been when someone has decided to purchase an application which must be run on Windows. Josh From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed Jul 13 15:34:14 2005 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Wed Jul 13 15:35:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie looking for general advice to remote file server access In-Reply-To: <42D56494.3070407@joshwelch.com> References: <42D50B21.8030803@joshwelch.com> <42D56494.3070407@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Josh Welch wrote: > Andrew Zbikowski wrote: >> >> Oh there are plenty of times in the real business world were you will >> opt for Windows over Linux. ;-) > > Umm, no. Speaking as someone in the "real" business world who deals with > "real" business issues the only times I can think of that I've opted for > a Windows server has been when someone has decided to purchase an > application which must be run on Windows. I guess the topic was servers. Unfortunately, most businesses that use Windows on the desktop will not want to switch to Linux because of the cost associated with the transition. Also, many businesses have one or two critical applications running on Windows that they can't easily port to Linux. The funny thing is, the Third World is going to be superior to the USA in everyday computing in a few years because they're going to use Linux and we're going to be held back by Windows. Mike From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Jul 13 23:54:59 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed Jul 13 23:55:45 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507140454.j6E4sxV16367@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Linksys cable modem - BEFCMU10 I have a free Linksys cable modem, model number BEFCMU10. My mom used this modem until she switched to DSL. As far as I'm aware, it is in good working order. It was sitting at her house gathering dust, and she wants nothing for it, so if you can pick it up, it's free. I suppose I can ship/deliver it at your expense. Seller Email address: kremer at ringworld dot org http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From lists at turbobit.com Wed Jul 13 20:00:51 2005 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Thu Jul 14 00:25:44 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Actiontec modem and accessing your web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050714010050.GA22836@dad1> On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 10:08:48PM -0500, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I recently upgraded my DSL to the new 1.5Mb service from Qwest. It required > me to upgrade the modem to the Actiontec. Not sure I like it. > > First off, whenever I tried to run bittorrent to download the latest FC4 > test image, it would lock up the modem after an hour or so. Turns out I > need to manually set some of the netfilter parameters to limit the amount of > memory the net table will eat up. See > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13388402?hilite=actiontec+telnet > > Anyone know a way to make this permement? Neat, my actiontec runs linux! Learn something new everyday. You could make an expect script to do the telnet/commands from a server. The device contains /sbin/reboot which could be handy. If you really wanted to save it in the device: http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/ActiontecGT701 Heres what my GT701-WG looks like: # cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 cpu model : MIPS 4KEc V4.8 BogoMIPS : 149.91 # cat /proc/meminfo total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 14983168 14282752 700416 0 1560576 5165056 # cat /proc/mounts /dev/mtdblock/0 / squashfs ro 0 0 none /dev devfs rw 0 0 proc /proc proc rw 0 0 ramfs /var ramfs rw 0 0 # ls /lib/modules 2.4.17_mvl21-malta-mips_fp_le ar0700xx.bin From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 11:08:04 2005 From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo) Date: Thu Jul 14 11:37:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] grub and sata raid Message-ID: hello- i am installing FC4 on a Dell Precision 450. this machine contains a (Promise) FastTrak S150 TX2 SATA RAID controller. i have the drives set up as RAID 0. running the FC4 install goes fine, and i specify to install grub on mbr on /dev/sda which is the array. however, when rebooting, grub doesn't even start. i made a grub boot disk and booted to the command shell, and it seems that the hdd's aren't listed, so i am assuming grub can't see them. i typed in root( and then hit tab and no drives were available. i'm not sure why, because the bios should be loaded. if i install another OS on the array, it will boot from the array. is this just a grub issue, or can i not have my kernel on a SATA RAID controller? will another linux bootloader work? From jeremy at rosengren.org Thu Jul 14 14:12:29 2005 From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Thu Jul 14 14:15:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] grub and sata raid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42D6B91D.8030101@rosengren.org> Kevin Lombardo wrote: >hello- > >i am installing FC4 on a Dell Precision 450. this machine contains a >(Promise) FastTrak S150 TX2 SATA RAID controller. i have the drives >set up as RAID 0. > >running the FC4 install goes fine, and i specify to install grub on >mbr on /dev/sda which is the array. however, when rebooting, grub >doesn't even start. > >i made a grub boot disk and booted to the command shell, and it seems >that the hdd's aren't listed, so i am assuming grub can't see them. i >typed in root( and then hit tab and no drives were available. > >i'm not sure why, because the bios should be loaded. if i install >another OS on the array, it will boot from the array. > >is this just a grub issue, or can i not have my kernel on a SATA RAID >controller? will another linux bootloader work? > > This thead: http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2004-February/013178.html seems to indicate that Promise RAID controllers aren't true hardware RAID and need a software driver (in the form of a kernel module) in order to be used under Linux. grub doesn't have support for non-"true hardware" RAID devices, afaik. -- jeremy From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Jul 14 22:25:02 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Thu Jul 14 22:26:00 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507150325.j6F3P2501941@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Packard Bell Computer I have a Packard Bell computer with the following specifications: Intel Pentium II 266 MHz 32 MB RAM 4.3 GB Hard Disk 15" monitor with keyboard and mouse You have to pick it up from my home. I am located in Saint Paul. If interested send me an email at arkajyoti at gmail dot com Seller Email address: arkajyoti at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Jul 15 10:28:02 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Jul 15 10:28:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507151528.j6FFS2908931@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Dell Poweredge SC420 This is a slightly-used server-class system with Debian Linux installed. I bought it from Dell directly about 4 months ago. I've added a sound-card that works in Linux. It doesn't have an AGP slot, which is why I am selling it. It has a P4 2.8GHz processor, an onboard Gig NIC, 256Meg DDR2 Memory, front and back USB 2.0 ports, a 80Gig SATA drive and a CD-ROM drive. Very quiet and makes a great mp3 fileserver or desktop if you don't need AGP. 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They all have SCSI interfaces. DLT tape back up drives, one each ADIC DLT 4000 desktop tape backup drive desktop unit FS-DLT4000 #98-5300-03 ADIC FastStor DLT Loaders desktop unit #1200c-01 HP DLT 4000 tape Library 2/28 free standing c1191H (I couldn’t find the online manual for that one) All items are available for inspection during the day Contact me at (651_602-3124) Note: I have links for the pdf manuals, but the add formats would not let me post them, email me for the links ..... Bill Seller Email address: billh at nssmgmt dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From bellsoffreedom at animail.net Sat Jul 16 14:08:23 2005 From: bellsoffreedom at animail.net (Nick Scholtes) Date: Sat Jul 16 14:08:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fonts R Crappy Message-ID: <8896079CCDC85FC4F8DF26CFB8925D92@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> Hello all, I just installed Debian 3.1 but I can't get the fonts to look good. I'm running KDE 3.3 and Gnome 2.8 as well as OpenOffice 1.1.4. I used to have Suse 9.0 and OpenOffice's fonts (as well as the rest of the fonts on the system) looked perfect. Now they look like crap. How do I get the fonts looking better? Thank you, Nick ?Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.? ~ Elie Wiesel Mourn the victims. Comfort the survivors. Stand for peace. Light a virtual candle for London: http://www.care2.com/go/z/london http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. Helps charities. From ryan.langseth at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 21:44:28 2005 From: ryan.langseth at gmail.com (Ryan Langseth) Date: Sat Jul 16 21:48:28 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] grub and sata raid In-Reply-To: <42D6B91D.8030101@rosengren.org> References: <42D6B91D.8030101@rosengren.org> Message-ID: Unfortunately jeremy is correct Promise FastTrak is nothing more than some bios hacks, and not better than software raid, maybe even worse. If you really want your OS on the raid and don't want to have to buy a true hardware card I suggest installing another (small) harddrive and putting /boot in it. You may need to custom compile a kernel, I do not remember from the last time I did had to mess with one of those cards -Ryan On 7/14/05, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > Kevin Lombardo wrote: > > >hello- > > > >i am installing FC4 on a Dell Precision 450. this machine contains a > >(Promise) FastTrak S150 TX2 SATA RAID controller. i have the drives > >set up as RAID 0. > > > >running the FC4 install goes fine, and i specify to install grub on > >mbr on /dev/sda which is the array. however, when rebooting, grub > >doesn't even start. > > > >i made a grub boot disk and booted to the command shell, and it seems > >that the hdd's aren't listed, so i am assuming grub can't see them. i > >typed in root( and then hit tab and no drives were available. > > > >i'm not sure why, because the bios should be loaded. if i install > >another OS on the array, it will boot from the array. > > > >is this just a grub issue, or can i not have my kernel on a SATA RAID > >controller? will another linux bootloader work? > > > > > This thead: > http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2004-February/013178.html > seems to indicate that Promise RAID controllers aren't true hardware > RAID and need a software driver (in the form of a kernel module) in > order to be used under Linux. grub doesn't have support for non-"true > hardware" RAID devices, afaik. > > -- jeremy > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 22:38:57 2005 From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo) Date: Sat Jul 16 22:40:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] grub and sata raid In-Reply-To: References: <42D6B91D.8030101@rosengren.org> Message-ID: Well I guess I'll probably try to get an IDE and scrap the RAID, but I would like to know: why does the NT/W2K boot loader boot off the array just fine? On 7/16/05, Ryan Langseth wrote: > Unfortunately jeremy is correct Promise FastTrak is nothing more than > some bios hacks, and not better than software raid, maybe even worse. > If you really want your OS on the raid and don't want to have to buy a > true hardware card I suggest installing another (small) harddrive and > putting /boot in it. You may need to custom compile a kernel, I do not > remember from the last time I did had to mess with one of those cards > > -Ryan > > On 7/14/05, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > > Kevin Lombardo wrote: > > > > >hello- > > > > > >i am installing FC4 on a Dell Precision 450. this machine contains a > > >(Promise) FastTrak S150 TX2 SATA RAID controller. i have the drives > > >set up as RAID 0. > > > > > >running the FC4 install goes fine, and i specify to install grub on > > >mbr on /dev/sda which is the array. however, when rebooting, grub > > >doesn't even start. > > > > > >i made a grub boot disk and booted to the command shell, and it seems > > >that the hdd's aren't listed, so i am assuming grub can't see them. i > > >typed in root( and then hit tab and no drives were available. > > > > > >i'm not sure why, because the bios should be loaded. if i install > > >another OS on the array, it will boot from the array. > > > > > >is this just a grub issue, or can i not have my kernel on a SATA RAID > > >controller? will another linux bootloader work? > > > > > > > > This thead: > > http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2004-February/013178.html > > seems to indicate that Promise RAID controllers aren't true hardware > > RAID and need a software driver (in the form of a kernel module) in > > order to be used under Linux. grub doesn't have support for non-"true > > hardware" RAID devices, afaik. > > > > -- jeremy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryan.langseth at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 23:33:18 2005 From: ryan.langseth at gmail.com (Ryan Langseth) Date: Sat Jul 16 23:34:30 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] grub and sata raid In-Reply-To: References: <42D6B91D.8030101@rosengren.org> Message-ID: I would think its because Promise made the driver work with windows since they would lose alot more market share if they did not. Also you should be able to make the promise raid controller act like a regular controller(w/o raid) and then you should be able to boot off of the disks, rather than getting a IDE drive. Also check google some more, it has been a while since I did anything with promise raid(1 year+), maybe things have changed. -ryan On 7/16/05, Kevin Lombardo wrote: > Well I guess I'll probably try to get an IDE and scrap the RAID, but I > would like to know: why does the NT/W2K boot loader boot off the array > just fine? > > > On 7/16/05, Ryan Langseth wrote: > > Unfortunately jeremy is correct Promise FastTrak is nothing more than > > some bios hacks, and not better than software raid, maybe even worse. > > If you really want your OS on the raid and don't want to have to buy a > > true hardware card I suggest installing another (small) harddrive and > > putting /boot in it. You may need to custom compile a kernel, I do not > > remember from the last time I did had to mess with one of those cards > > > > -Ryan > > > > On 7/14/05, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > > > Kevin Lombardo wrote: > > > > > > >hello- > > > > > > > >i am installing FC4 on a Dell Precision 450. this machine contains a > > > >(Promise) FastTrak S150 TX2 SATA RAID controller. i have the drives > > > >set up as RAID 0. > > > > > > > >running the FC4 install goes fine, and i specify to install grub on > > > >mbr on /dev/sda which is the array. however, when rebooting, grub > > > >doesn't even start. > > > > > > > >i made a grub boot disk and booted to the command shell, and it seems > > > >that the hdd's aren't listed, so i am assuming grub can't see them. i > > > >typed in root( and then hit tab and no drives were available. > > > > > > > >i'm not sure why, because the bios should be loaded. if i install > > > >another OS on the array, it will boot from the array. > > > > > > > >is this just a grub issue, or can i not have my kernel on a SATA RAID > > > >controller? will another linux bootloader work? > > > > > > > > > > > This thead: > > > http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2004-February/013178.html > > > seems to indicate that Promise RAID controllers aren't true hardware > > > RAID and need a software driver (in the form of a kernel module) in > > > order to be used under Linux. grub doesn't have support for non-"true > > > hardware" RAID devices, afaik. > > > > > > -- jeremy > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bellsoffreedom at animail.net Sat Jul 16 23:39:27 2005 From: bellsoffreedom at animail.net (Nick Scholtes) Date: Sat Jul 16 23:39:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fonts R Crappy Message-ID: <3E66AF14104CAF54593D5C99453D233C@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> Hi all, I sent this before but my email program screwed up. I just installed Debian 3.1. I have Gnome 2.8, KDE 3.3 and Openoffice 1.1.4. Everything works except the fonts look very poor. What setting do I go to to make all the fonts antialias and look better? Thanks, Nick ?Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.? ~ Elie Wiesel Mourn the victims. Comfort the survivors. Stand for peace. Light a virtual candle for London: http://www.care2.com/go/z/london http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. Helps charities. From seg at haxxed.com Sun Jul 17 06:26:28 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Sun Jul 17 06:28:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie looking for general advice to remote file server access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1121599588.3762.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 00:01 -0500, Tore Johnsen wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to Linux and I'm looking for some general advice. > What I'd like to do is to set up a Linux file server using Samba (and a Subversion server using Apache but that may not be relevant to my question). > I need Windows client machines to connect to the file server accross the Internet. I would like the client machines to be able to access and operate on the served files as if they where on their local drive - and here is where this newbie is getting fuzzy on the protocols and what can be easily done. What is the best way to do this with reasonable security? Do I use SSH or VPN ? Is it at all a good idea to use Linux or should I go with a Windows Server instead? > > I'd appreciate any advice you may have. Your best bet is probably a samba server and OpenVPN. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050717/df851438/attachment.pgp From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 15:28:02 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Sun Jul 17 15:28:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] grub and sata raid In-Reply-To: References: <42D6B91D.8030101@rosengren.org> Message-ID: On 7/16/05, Kevin Lombardo wrote: > Well I guess I'll probably try to get an IDE and scrap the RAID, but I > would like to know: why does the NT/W2K boot loader boot off the array > just fine? because windows loads the FS driver before everything else. You can get the same results in Linux if you make a custom initrd image to load the kernel module before the kernel needs to start accessing the disk. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Sun Jul 17 15:34:33 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Sun Jul 17 15:36:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] grub and sata raid In-Reply-To: References: <42D6B91D.8030101@rosengren.org> Message-ID: On 7/17/05, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > because windows loads the FS driver before everything else. > > You can get the same results in Linux if you make a custom initrd > image to load the kernel module before the kernel needs to start > accessing the disk. oh, and as for grub. I don't recall having this problem, but then I was not working with SATA. I would just throw a little PATA drive in there and just set that up with /boot. problem solved. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From josh at joshwelch.com Sun Jul 17 19:22:02 2005 From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Sun Jul 17 19:22:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] grub and sata raid In-Reply-To: References: <42D6B91D.8030101@rosengren.org> Message-ID: <42DAF62A.8090504@joshwelch.com> Ryan Langseth wrote: > I would think its because Promise made the driver work with windows > since they would lose alot more market share if they did not. Also > you should be able to make the promise raid controller act like a > regular controller(w/o raid) and then you should be able to boot off > of the disks, rather than getting a IDE drive. Also check google some > more, it has been a while since I did anything with promise raid(1 > year+), maybe things have changed. > > -ryan > On 7/16/05, Kevin Lombardo wrote: > >>Well I guess I'll probably try to get an IDE and scrap the RAID, but I >>would like to know: why does the NT/W2K boot loader boot off the array >>just fine? >> I had a Promise Raid card, was not thrilled with it. If I recall correctly I had to do some fooling around with getting a kernel module passed in at boot time to get the raid working. Okay, I went and found the email I had from the support tech, this was for Red Hat and I'mnot sure if this will count for a sata controller or not, but it may give you somewhere to start from. PROMISE FastTrak Series Linux Driver For Red Hat Linux 7.3/8.0 Version 1.02.0.25 [11/18/2002] [INTRODUCTION] 1.1 Foreword This procedure applies to all Promise FastTrak Series adapters and onboard chipsets running under the RedHat Linux operating systems. Do NOT use this procedure for other versions of Linux. 1.2 Support List PDC20262 FastTrak66 PDC20265R FastTrak100 Lite/SMARAID PDC20267 FastTrak100 PDC20270 FastTrak LP/TX2/TX4 PDC20271 FastTrak TX2000 PDC20276 MBFastTrak133 Lite PDC20277 SBFastTrak133 Lite with Red Hat 7.3 (kernel 2.4.18-3) Red Hat 8.0 (kernel 2.4.18-14) 1.3 Prepare a Driver Diskette You will use a diskette to load the new Linux driver onto your PC. 1) Obtain a new, formatted diskette and label it "FastTrak Driver Disk." Insert it into your PC's floppy drive. 2) Extract the contents of the driver file you downloaded from the Promise website onto your floppy disk. Use either WinZIP in Windows or Unzip in Linux to extract the files. [INSTALLATION] 2.1 To install the FastTrak Series Linux Driver into an EXISTING SYSTEM: 1.) Boot linux system and login as root. 2.) Insert FastTrak Driver Disk for install FastTrak Driver by issuing commands : # mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy # cd /mnt/floppy # sh install (Answer Yes/No when inquire setup configuration) You can answer Yes to bind FastTrak driver into linux booting. # cd .. # umount /dev/fd0 NOTE: Due to the Linux kernel misidentifying the FastTrak card, all IDE channels except onboard IDE are disabled. To enable the other IDE channels, remove the line "ide2=0 ide3=0 ide4=0 ide5=0 ide6=0 ide7=0 ide8=0 ide9=0" in /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/grub.conf. 3.) Reboot Red Hat linux system. 2.2 To install the FastTrak Series Linux Driver into a NEW SYSTEM 1.) Start the Red Hat Linux Installation with CD-ROM booting. 2.) At the "Welcome to Red Hat Linux ..." installation screen, a prompt labeled "boot:" will appear at the bottom of the screen. 3.) Please append parameters (see Note 1 below) at the "boot:" prompt, then press the Enter key. 4.) At the "Devices" dialog box, insert the FastTrak Driver Disk in the floppy drive and then select "OK" or "Yes" to continue install. 5.) Enable "Configure advanced boot loader options" box at Boot Loader Configuration menu, and type kernel parameters (see NOTE 2 below) in the General kernel parameters field. 6.) Continue with the installation as normal. 7.) If the installer occur warning message about "The kernel was unable to re-read the partition table on /dev/sd(x), (Device or resource busy)...", Please do not click skip, just click Ignore bottom to continue the install. 8.) Press Ctrl-Alt-F2 when installation at the "Congratulations" menu. 9.) Insert the FastTrak Driver Disk floppy, Issue commands to load FastTrak driver. # umount /tmp/fd0 (For safety issue, Just in case) # chroot /mnt/sysimage # mount /dev/fd0 /mnt (If USB Floppy, Please choose USB floppy device such as /dev/sdb) # cd /mnt # sh setup-ft 10.) Choose your selection here, after FastTrak driver setup successful. # cd / # umount /mnt # exit 11.) Please press Ctrl-Alt-F7 and click "Exit" button to finish installation. [NOTE] Linux Kernels 2.4.x misidentiy Promise ATA-RAID controllers as simple IDE controllers. This results in the built-in Linux IDE driver trying to handle the controller and can prevent the proper FastTrak ATA RAID driver from loading. Follow the installation instructions AND the parameter commands referred to below section. This status we called "IDE issue". 1.) "linux ide0=0x1f0, 0x3f6,14 ide1=0x170, 0x376,15 ide2=0 ide3=0 ide4=0 ide5=0 ide6=0 ide7=0 ide8=0 ide9=0" 2.) "ide0=0x1f0, 0x3f6,14 ide1=0x170, 0x376,15 ide2=0 ide3=0 ide4=0 ide5=0 ide6=0 ide7=0 ide8=0 ide9=0" 3.) Occasionally, during bootup, you may see Unresolved Symbols, followed by an OK or a FAILED. In either case, this is a cosmetic error and does not affect RedHat Linux 7.3 or the FastTrak RAID Controller card. 4.) Rarely, during bootup, you may see a HUSH (humble shell) message. This is also a cosmetic error and does not affect RedHat Linux 7.3 or the FastTrak RAID Controller card. 5.) To see information on your array(s) and the Driver version number: a. Launch your terminal emulation program. b. Type "cat /proc/scsi/FastTrak/(x)" then press Enter, x is a register number in your system. From admin at lctn.org Sun Jul 17 19:59:57 2005 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Sun Jul 17 20:00:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] yum update trouble Message-ID: <52823.209.176.212.10.1121648397.squirrel@209.176.212.10> I have a new, Standard Fedora Core 3 install on our new server. Everything worked fine until I ran yum update. Now I have a new kernel (2.6.12-1.1372), and things bomb at boot up. Here is the error I get: Error: error insetting /lib/megaraid_mbox.ko:-1 unknown symbol in module. Error: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally. It boots fine if I use the old kernel. Any ideas how I can fix this? Raymond From andyzib at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 10:09:27 2005 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jul 18 10:10:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Fonts R Crappy In-Reply-To: <3E66AF14104CAF54593D5C99453D233C@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> References: <3E66AF14104CAF54593D5C99453D233C@bellsoffreedom.animail.net> Message-ID: Start by installing Ubuntu... ;) OK, probally not an option. Make sure you have your fonts lines in your X Config sorted out. My Ubuntu config looks like: # FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" # paths to defoma fonts FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID" The 100 and 75 dpi fonts usually look pretty bad until you add the unscaled ones. Use defoma if you've got True Type fonts installed. Try installing the msttcorefonts package. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Jul 18 10:36:58 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jul 18 10:38:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507181536.j6IFawJ16969@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Gateway Solo 2500 Gateway Solo 2500 laptop, 160mb ram, 6gb hd, Ubuntu Hoary installed,(except for sound) generic pcmcia nic included. Battery works some, YMMV. I'd rather talk TRADES before cash mail to tletofsky at umwcs dot com Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 11:02:30 2005 From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo) Date: Mon Jul 18 11:04:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] grub and sata raid In-Reply-To: References: <42D6B91D.8030101@rosengren.org> Message-ID: On 7/16/05, Kevin Lombardo wrote: > Well I guess I'll probably try to get an IDE and scrap the RAID, but I > would like to know: why does the NT/W2K boot loader boot off the array > just fine? > > alright, this has turned in to a weird story... first of all, this machine was originally configured with an IDE drive and a SATA RAID. Windows XP was installed on the IDE drive and nothing on the array. i booted off the FC4 disc and installed to the array. when it asked where i should install grub, i selected the MBR, which is on the IDE drive. upon reboot, grub locked up without even presenting the menu. so then, to simplify, i removed the IDE drive and reinstalled again to the array, and selected to install grub on MBR, which would now be on the array. again, grub locked up. i tried installing grub on a floppy, and was able to get in to a grub command shell, but then when trying to list the drives it did not display the array. then i tried asking TCLUG. i really appreciate the replies, and was considering what to do, although i still didn't get why grub wouldn't see the SATA drives. i mean, the BIOS sees the drives and actually presents them as a boot option. grub wasn't even getting to the menu. (btw, i did try this without the drives in an array, just left them as single drives with the same results) i thought the best thing to do was resize the NTFS partition and install FC4 to the IDE drive (i need to keep the XP install for work purposes). however, i wanted to fix my MBR first so that XP would boot (i was able to get in to XP with a boot disk). i restarted the computer with the XP bootable cd, and got a phone call as the machine was restarting, so i didn't have a chance to "press any key to boot from cd". i was talking on the phone and turned around to look at the screen and guess what? FC4 was booted. i restarted the computer again, and grub loaded no problem and booted right in to the install located on the array. i'm not a newbie, and i know i didn't run anything to change the MBR - it should have been the same as it was when i was having problems. but all of the sudden, everything works just like i thought it should in the beginning. now i just have to try to get grub to boot XP. anyway, things seem to be working great now. hopefully they'll stay that way. thanks for the help. From rclark at lakesplus.com Mon Jul 18 14:07:35 2005 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jul 18 14:06:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multiport NICs and Linux = Router Message-ID: I am looking at a side project (fun/educational) to buy a couple used multiport NICs, select a Linux distribution, and make a router/firewall out of some old hardware. Has anyone out there tried this task and had any success? Suggestions on Linux distributions for just a router/firewall configuration? CD bootable versions? Quick google search produced: Linux router project (now DEAD) BBI agent Diet-Router fli4l floppyfw FreeciSCO Rock Router Linux Sisela Would be nice if anyone had some thoughts on these or other distributions. My goal is to have a secure, solid, remotely administrable system. Many thanks in advance ... as always. Randy From brockn at gmail.com Mon Jul 18 14:16:03 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon Jul 18 14:16:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multiport NICs and Linux = Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <741dcbb8050718121638333927@mail.gmail.com> I tried those nics about 3 years ago. I could not get them to work. The drivers were not in the kernel so it was a big hassle. I am sure support is much better now, but something to look out for... I used FreeciSCO for awhile, but I found it easier to just install a base Dist (in my case Gentoo) and go from there. Brock On 7/18/05, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I am looking at a side project (fun/educational) to buy a couple used > multiport NICs, select a Linux distribution, and make a router/firewall out > of some old hardware. Has anyone out there tried this task and had any > success? Suggestions on Linux distributions for just a router/firewall > configuration? CD bootable versions? > > Quick google search produced: > > Linux router project (now DEAD) > BBI agent > Diet-Router > fli4l > floppyfw > FreeciSCO > Rock Router Linux > Sisela > > Would be nice if anyone had some thoughts on these or other distributions. > My goal is to have a secure, solid, remotely administrable system. > > Many thanks in advance ... as always. > > Randy > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From strayf at freeshell.org Mon Jul 18 14:39:52 2005 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford) Date: Mon Jul 18 14:40:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multiport NICs and Linux = Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050718193952.GA32334@crito> On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 02:07:35PM -0500, Randy Clarksean wrote: > [...] > > Would be nice if anyone had some thoughts on these or other distributions. > My goal is to have a secure, solid, remotely administrable system. > I had good luck with the LEAF project a couple years ago, and it still seems to be actively maintained (leaf.sourceforge.net, the Bering uClibc branch seems most active). At the moment I just run Debian Sarge on an old laptop. -Steve From auditodd at comcast.net Mon Jul 18 17:02:22 2005 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jul 18 17:04:55 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multiport NICs and Linux = Router Message-ID: <071820052202.2585.42DC26EE000B7BC700000A1922070029530B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net> I haven't tried the multi-port NICs (too expensive last time I checked), but I have been running Smoothwall for almost 4 years now with no problems. I run three NICs: inside, outside, and DMZ I even had a VPN connection between myself and the neighbor for a few months. http://www.smoothwall.org/ -- ---- ------ Todd Young > > I am looking at a side project (fun/educational) to buy a couple used > multiport NICs, select a Linux distribution, and make a router/firewall out > of some old hardware. Has anyone out there tried this task and had any > success? Suggestions on Linux distributions for just a router/firewall > configuration? CD bootable versions? > > Quick google search produced: > > Linux router project (now DEAD) > BBI agent > Diet-Router > fli4l > floppyfw > FreeciSCO > Rock Router Linux > Sisela > > Would be nice if anyone had some thoughts on these or other distributions. > My goal is to have a secure, solid, remotely administrable system. > > Many thanks in advance ... as always. > > Randy > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Jul 18 22:27:06 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jul 18 22:32:57 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507190327.j6J3R6h27387@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Motherboard Hi, I am looking for a MB that either supports Socket 7 or Socket A CPU's and PC100/133 memory. I need something cheap (or free) for the kids. Email me at: douger999 at gmail dot com Seller Email address: doughanson at comcast dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 09:32:32 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Wed Jul 20 09:33:20 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] grub and sata raid In-Reply-To: References: <42D6B91D.8030101@rosengren.org> Message-ID: On 7/18/05, Kevin Lombardo wrote: > i'm not a newbie, and i know i didn't run anything to change the MBR - > it should have been the same as it was when i was having problems. but > all of the sudden, everything works just like i thought it should in > the beginning. now i just have to try to get grub to boot XP. > does anyone else hear the twilight zone theme song playing? I hate it when seemingly unexplainable stuff like this happens. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From wilson at visi.com Wed Jul 20 14:50:58 2005 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Wed Jul 20 14:51:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Redirecting web traffic with a 301 Message-ID: <18C20737-F78E-4C1E-9C29-33914D838430@visi.com> Hey everyone, The former location for my blog is still appearing in Google and many other search indexes even though I moved it long ago. I need to do a 301 redirect from the old location to the new, but there's a small wrinkle. I don't care about matching all of the old URLs to the new site. I just want all requests for the old site (and all of its URLs) redirected to the new site's homepage. Example: www.foo.com/bar/* should all go to: www.baz.com I tried: Redirect 301 /var/www/bar/ http://www.baz.com/ but that tries to redirect to: http://www.baz.com/bar/ instead of http://www.baz.com Any suggestions? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Jul 20 15:07:03 2005 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (jimstreit@northlans.com) Date: Wed Jul 20 15:13:26 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SNMP and MRTG Message-ID: <20050720150703.zu3d47ovv1gk0sko@webmail.northlans.com> I'm using MRTG to monitor some routers and switches, it rocks. I now want to use MRTG to monitor the network traffic of 2 Suse 9.0 boxes that each have 2 NIC?s and are acting as routers. I have ucd-snmp installed on the Suse 9.0 boxes, and the snmpd service running, but MRTG isn?t finding anything to report on. I?ve searched Google but I haven?t found anything to help me yet, and it looks like I?ve got things setup correctly (but obviously don?t). Does anyone know how my snmpd.conf file should look to be able to monitor just the NIC?s? Thanks Jim Streit From john.meier at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 15:15:20 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Wed Jul 20 15:17:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Redirecting web traffic with a 301 In-Reply-To: <18C20737-F78E-4C1E-9C29-33914D838430@visi.com> References: <18C20737-F78E-4C1E-9C29-33914D838430@visi.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc0507201315375fb623@mail.gmail.com> On 7/20/05, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > Hey... > I just want all requests for the old site (and all of its URLs) > redirected to the new site's homepage. > If you're using apache did you check out mod_rewrite? http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_rewrite.html From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 16:03:24 2005 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed Jul 20 16:04:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] SNMP and MRTG In-Reply-To: <20050720150703.zu3d47ovv1gk0sko@webmail.northlans.com> References: <20050720150703.zu3d47ovv1gk0sko@webmail.northlans.com> Message-ID: On 7/20/05, jimstreit@northlans.com wrote: > I'm using MRTG to monitor some routers and switches, it rocks. I now want to > use MRTG to monitor the network traffic of 2 Suse 9.0 boxes that each have 2 > NIC?s and are acting as routers. > > I have ucd-snmp installed on the Suse 9.0 boxes, and the snmpd service running, > but MRTG isn?t finding anything to report on. > > I?ve searched Google but I haven?t found anything to help me yet, and it > looks like I?ve got things setup correctly (but obviously don?t). Does > anyone know how my snmpd.conf file should look to be able to monitor just the > NIC?s? This is what my snmp.conf looks like: (view in fixed-width font, please) ---- com2sec default public group v1 view all included .1 80 access "" any noauth exact all write none ---- As you guessed, replace and with your desired names. This will give read-only access to the entire MIB for clients that authenticate w/ "public" as the community string. -Erik From seg at haxxed.com Wed Jul 20 16:40:40 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Wed Jul 20 16:43:23 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Redirecting web traffic with a 301 In-Reply-To: <18C20737-F78E-4C1E-9C29-33914D838430@visi.com> References: <18C20737-F78E-4C1E-9C29-33914D838430@visi.com> Message-ID: <1121895640.6880.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Example: > > www.foo.com/bar/* > > should all go to: > > www.baz.com > > I tried: > > Redirect 301 /var/www/bar/ http://www.baz.com/ > > but that tries to redirect to: > > http://www.baz.com/bar/ instead of http://www.baz.com > > Any suggestions? This works for me: Redirect permanent /bar/ http://www.baz.com/ Note that I have this in the VirtualHost section of the vhost I'm redirecting from. That might make a difference. Also, its apache 1.3. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050720/10bdc5f0/attachment.pgp From dan at dandrake.org Thu Jul 21 16:29:09 2005 From: dan at dandrake.org (dan) Date: Thu Jul 21 16:29:39 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] missing ~70MB on a half-gig memory chip? Message-ID: <20050721212908.GA5579@dandrake.org> I recently bought a 512MB stick of PC2700 Crucial RAM. But I only seem to have about 450-some MB of memory: when I run 'free' I get total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 451716 295120 156596 0 86396 107672 -/+ buffers/cache: 101052 350664 Swap: 1004020 0 1004020 A similar number shows up when I boot the machine. That's something like 441 MB. So, I'm missing almost 71MB of RAM. Is some of this being used for video memory, or do I have a bad chip? I've run memtest on it, and it checks out (...and reports the smaller-than-512 number). Thoughts? Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050721/40b3eda7/attachment.pgp From rick at eworld3.net Thu Jul 21 18:44:50 2005 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Thu Jul 21 18:41:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] missing ~70MB on a half-gig memory chip? In-Reply-To: <20050721212908.GA5579@dandrake.org> References: <20050721212908.GA5579@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <42E03372.8050703@eworld3.net> I guess Crucial has been having quality problems recently. My company's IT dept reports 10% DOA, and more flaky. dan wrote: > I recently bought a 512MB stick of PC2700 Crucial RAM. But I only seem > to have about 450-some MB of memory: when I run 'free' I get > > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 451716 295120 156596 0 86396 107672 > -/+ buffers/cache: 101052 350664 > Swap: 1004020 0 1004020 > > A similar number shows up when I boot the machine. That's something like > 441 MB. So, I'm missing almost 71MB of RAM. Is some of this being used > for video memory, or do I have a bad chip? I've run memtest on it, and > it checks out (...and reports the smaller-than-512 number). > > Thoughts? > > Dan > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff From obelin23 at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 20:13:52 2005 From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O) Date: Thu Jul 21 20:15:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] slack 10.1 problem - never mind Message-ID: <72278d10507211813467d599c@mail.gmail.com> About the kernel version mismatch problem - never mind, I figured it out... From dan at dandrake.org Thu Jul 21 20:30:56 2005 From: dan at dandrake.org (dan) Date: Thu Jul 21 20:31:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] missing ~70MB on a half-gig memory chip? In-Reply-To: <20050721212908.GA5579@dandrake.org> References: <20050721212908.GA5579@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <20050722013056.GA5302@dandrake.org> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 at 04:29PM -0500, dan wrote: > I recently bought a 512MB stick of PC2700 Crucial RAM. But I only seem > to have about 450-some MB of memory: when I run 'free' I get ...I also recently bought a motherboard with integrated video. "Sweet!" I thought. "Now I don't need to get a separate video card." I neglected to consider where the integrated video gets its memory from. :) In the BIOS, it's set to steal 64 megs of system memory, which basically explains my missing memory. I changed it to 32, and voila, I have 32 megs more system memory. Thanks for Jim for suggesting I look there... Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Processor speed a plus -- but hey, I'll take what I can get. Thanks in advance! Sincerely, James Greene ********************************************* * James M. Greene - hitokiri@acm.cs.umn.edu * * * * Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) * * Vice President, EE/CSci Bldg., Room 2-204 * * University of Minnesota - Student Chapter * ********************************************* From brockn at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 12:40:19 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Fri Jul 22 12:41:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a spare Linux box In-Reply-To: <4568.192.61.204.185.1122048963.squirrel@acm.cs.umn.edu> References: <4568.192.61.204.185.1122048963.squirrel@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <741dcbb80507221040393955bf@mail.gmail.com> I have a 333mhz box you can have. Its runs Gentoo just fine. I see your a U of M student! I am also, although I will be done in about 3 weeks. Anyway, at UCS ( http://www1.umn.edu/ucs/UsedEquip-PC.php ): Dell GX100 - Small Cases Celeron 500 MHz 128 MB 4 GB Windows 98 SE No Yes Floppy, CDROM, USB 1.0, for $75.00. For a fellow TC LUG member, I could get you 40% off. Brock On 7/22/05, James M. Greene wrote: > Hey there, members of TCLUG. > > I am currently looking for a spare Linux box (preferrably x86) to use as a > barebones Linux server. Mainly wanted for getting educated in the way of > servers, as well as being able to tinker DEEPLY in the system without fear > of killing my main computer (or one that doesn't belong to me). > > Looking primarily for a charity box, but I would be willing to pay up to > $20 if the box is truly hard to part with. Anything that can run a newer > Linux distro (and has an ethernet port) would be all I really need. > Processor speed a plus -- but hey, I'll take what I can get. > > Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely, > James Greene > > > ********************************************* > * James M. Greene - hitokiri@acm.cs.umn.edu * > * * > * Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) * > * Vice President, EE/CSci Bldg., Room 2-204 * > * University of Minnesota - Student Chapter * > ********************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jimstreit at northlans.com Fri Jul 22 14:38:16 2005 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (jimstreit@northlans.com) Date: Fri Jul 22 14:43:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] the smallest Linux Computer in the World Message-ID: <20050722143816.e07z56d0160okkok@webmail.northlans.com> Some of you may have seen this before, but a friend of mine just bought one. ($59.00) We are tring to figure out what we'll use it for. http://www.picotux.com/ From elhaddi at constantdata.com Fri Jul 22 14:59:12 2005 From: elhaddi at constantdata.com (elhaddi@constantdata.com) Date: Fri Jul 22 14:59:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] the smallest Linux Computer in the World In-Reply-To: <20050722143816.e07z56d0160okkok@webmail.northlans.com> Message-ID: I think this is the same one used by Motorolla for their Linux based cell phones except I dont see VFAT support, motorolla's has up to 2GB flash. Lots of uses for this baby in the field, especially if you are being chased(or chasing) by some guys you are mutually exclusive with. -- el h a d d i www.constantdata.com On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 jimstreit@northlans.com wrote: > Some of you may have seen this before, but a friend of mine just bought one. > ($59.00) We are tring to figure out what we'll use it for. > > http://www.picotux.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Fri Jul 22 16:20:00 2005 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Fri Jul 22 16:21:54 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] the smallest Linux Computer in the World In-Reply-To: <20050722143816.e07z56d0160okkok@webmail.northlans.com> References: <20050722143816.e07z56d0160okkok@webmail.northlans.com> Message-ID: On 7/22/05, jimstreit@northlans.com wrote: > Some of you may have seen this before, but a friend of mine just bought one. > ($59.00) We are tring to figure out what we'll use it for. > use it to hack the gibson. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Jul 22 19:18:09 2005 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Fri Jul 22 19:21:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] the smallest Linux Computer in the World In-Reply-To: <20050722143816.e07z56d0160okkok@webmail.northlans.com> Message-ID: I think I prefer the gumstix at 20mm x 80mm. More resources, better add-ons. www.gumstix.com. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of jimstreit@northlans.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 2:38 PM To: TCLUG Subject: [tclug-list] the smallest Linux Computer in the World Some of you may have seen this before, but a friend of mine just bought one. ($59.00) We are tring to figure out what we'll use it for. http://www.picotux.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list@mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ces.fci at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 06:37:23 2005 From: ces.fci at gmail.com (fci) Date: Sat Jul 23 06:38:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] need 2 smaller hard drives.. Message-ID: today I will be in the need of two relatively small hard drives... minimum size of around 3GB is all that would be necessary. if you know somewhere to get these cheap or have some you are looking to sell, please let me know.. (ideally $5-10) From j_wrocky at comcast.net Sat Jul 23 07:36:37 2005 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry Weihrauch) Date: Sat Jul 23 07:37:15 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] need 2 smaller hard drives.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42E239D5.6040702@comcast.net> Might look at Materials Processing Corporation in Eagan 2805 West Service Road Eagan, MN 55121 Purchased a 10 GB there for $10.00, think there were some smaller drives maybe 5 GB there also. Jerry fci wrote: >today I will be in the need of two relatively small hard drives... >minimum size of around 3GB is all that would be necessary. if you >know somewhere to get these cheap or have some you are looking to >sell, please let me know.. (ideally $5-10) > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From sfertch at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 07:54:56 2005 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Sat Jul 23 07:56:02 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] need 2 smaller hard drives.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67f3084a050723055426a3c5f0@mail.gmail.com> On 7/23/05, fci wrote: > today I will be in the need of two relatively small hard drives... > minimum size of around 3GB is all that would be necessary. if you > know somewhere to get these cheap or have some you are looking to > sell, please let me know.. (ideally $5-10) > Are you looking for IDE or SCSI? I don't have any IDE drives, but I do have about ten 68-pin SCSI drives that are 4.3GB in size that you can have. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. From jima at beer.tclug.org Sat Jul 23 11:00:51 2005 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Sat Jul 23 11:02:04 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] need 2 smaller hard drives.. In-Reply-To: <42E239D5.6040702@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, Jerry Weihrauch wrote: > Might look at Materials Processing Corporation in Eagan > 2805 West Service Road > Eagan, MN 55121 Only open Thursday and Friday from 10am - 5pm, FYI. > Purchased a 10 GB there for $10.00, think there were some smaller drives > maybe 5 GB there also. They don't really have any hard drives in stock anymore. I was there two Fridays ago (looking for a 6gb drive), and all they had was 3 10gb's (Quantum & Maxtor, IIRC) for $15 each. Fulfilled my need, barely, but it was pretty disappointing; they used to have lots of different sizes & manufacturers. (They used to have a lot better stuff, too, but oh well.) Jima From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Jul 23 13:39:44 2005 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sat Jul 23 13:40:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] need 2 smaller hard drives.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jima > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:01 AM > > On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, Jerry Weihrauch wrote: > > Might look at Materials Processing Corporation in Eagan > > 2805 West Service Road > > Eagan, MN 55121 > > Only open Thursday and Friday from 10am - 5pm, FYI. > > > Purchased a 10 GB there for $10.00, think there were some smaller drives > > maybe 5 GB there also. > > They don't really have any hard drives in stock anymore. I was there two > Fridays ago (looking for a 6gb drive), and all they had was 3 10gb's > (Quantum & Maxtor, IIRC) for $15 each. Fulfilled my need, barely, but it > was pretty disappointing; they used to have lots of different sizes & > manufacturers. (They used to have a lot better stuff, too, but oh well.) > Apparently some shops that specialize in used gear are buying "lots" of stuff from MPC. I bought a 64 meg laptop memory at MPC for $10. A friend needed the same, but had an odd laptop which we didn't know how to open so we were referred to one of these shops. My friend later went there and was quoted $39.95 for the same memory, plus $100 to install it. He went to Micro-Center and they could not find how to install the memory after fully opening the case, etc. I later got the shop manual for free from the Compaq website and it's easy when one knows the trick for that model. The spec said that model could be upgraded, but Micro-Center tried to say it cannot be after they tried. They should have said they just didn't know how to upgrade that one, but claimed it to be impossible to upgrade. They obviously did not look at service instructions for that model at all. I've been unable to locate 1-10 gb laptop drives under $29.95 and they disappear fast... bandito prices are common for used drives, and often are higher than new prices during sales! Conclusions: 1) look out for banditos 2) look out for authoritative service idiots who contradict manufacturers' info and don't have or check it first. 3) find a private sale for smaller old laptop drives, or watch for special sales at Micro Center (et al) Chuck From brockn at gmail.com Sat Jul 23 13:53:01 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Sat Jul 23 13:53:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Consumer device to computer on/off remotely Message-ID: <741dcbb805072311531b409b34@mail.gmail.com> I have a linux box in a storage area in my house. However I would prefer to leave it off when I can. Does anyone know of a device I can use to turn the computer on/off remotely? Hopefully less than $100? Brock From barnabas at knicknack.net Sat Jul 23 18:10:17 2005 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Sat Jul 23 18:08:09 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] iptables -C Message-ID: <42E2CE59.5030305@knicknack.net> There used to be a -C options to iptables that you could use to check a packet against your firewall rules. It appears to be gone, and I can't find a replacement. Does anyone know of a replacement? Thanks, Eric From seg at haxxed.com Sat Jul 23 20:20:54 2005 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Sat Jul 23 20:24:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Consumer device to computer on/off remotely In-Reply-To: <741dcbb805072311531b409b34@mail.gmail.com> References: <741dcbb805072311531b409b34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1122168054.2780.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 13:53 -0500, Brock Noland wrote: > I have a linux box in a storage area in my house. However I would > prefer to leave it off when I can. Does anyone know of a device I can > use to turn the computer on/off remotely? Hopefully less than $100? If its a fairly current motherboard and NIC (made in the last 5 years?) you can use Wake on LAN to power it up. And you can power it off at the command line, if your APM/ACPI is set up properly. http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonlan/mini-howto/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pretty good condition. $750.00 obo Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From david.johnson at usfamily.net Sun Jul 24 16:42:11 2005 From: david.johnson at usfamily.net (David Johnson) Date: Sun Jul 24 16:50:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] need 2 smaller hard drives.. Message-ID: <1122241332.21280.6.camel@speedy.home> Try "Box Shop" at 1828 Feronia Ave. I don't know if they have laptop drives, but earlier this year I bought a 10GB IDE for $20.00. -- "David Johnson" --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- From john.meier at gmail.com Sun Jul 24 18:31:56 2005 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Sun Jul 24 18:32:25 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a spare Linux box In-Reply-To: <4568.192.61.204.185.1122048963.squirrel@acm.cs.umn.edu> References: <4568.192.61.204.185.1122048963.squirrel@acm.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <65293fcc0507241631225ab216@mail.gmail.com> >From http://twincitiesfreemarket.org: COMPUTER NETWORK FILE SERVER Available: Compaq Proliant 1200 computer file server. Good for hobbyist or for use as learning tool (UNIX, LINUX, Windows 2000). PII 233 MHz, 128 MB RAM, 4 GB SCSI HD. Works perfectly but DOES NOT have an installed Operating System. (Item #80000) Posted: Jul 24, 2005 City: Mendota County: DAKOTA By: Chris - Phone: email: chris@dyanegarvey.com On 7/22/05, James M. Greene wrote: > Hey there, members of TCLUG. > > I am currently looking for a spare Linux box (preferrably x86) to use as a > barebones Linux server. Mainly wanted for getting educated in the way of > servers, as well as being able to tinker DEEPLY in the system without fear > of killing my main computer (or one that doesn't belong to me). > > Looking primarily for a charity box, but I would be willing to pay up to > $20 if the box is truly hard to part with. Anything that can run a newer > Linux distro (and has an ethernet port) would be all I really need. > Processor speed a plus -- but hey, I'll take what I can get. > > Thanks in advance! > > Sincerely, > James Greene > > > ********************************************* > * James M. Greene - hitokiri@acm.cs.umn.edu * > * * > * Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) * > * Vice President, EE/CSci Bldg., Room 2-204 * > * University of Minnesota - Student Chapter * > ********************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Jul 25 21:00:03 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jul 25 21:00:41 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507260200.j6Q203G16487@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: short computer rack 23U rack, old style, threaded, not square holes. some rails included. NO doors. 1 side panel, hinges on one face. Large power distribution unit on bottom make offer Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Jul 25 20:53:23 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jul 25 21:00:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507260153.j6Q1rNP15977@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: APC UPS 3 APC brand UPS devices 2 x SmartUPS 700 (SU700NET) 1 w/bad batteries, 1 w/DEAD batteries. 1 x SmartUPS V/S 650 (SMARTUPS w/DEAD batteries. Best Offer takes any/all co-incidentally looking for replacement batteries for SU1400RM2U Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From dan at dandrake.org Mon Jul 25 21:28:26 2005 From: dan at dandrake.org (dan) Date: Mon Jul 25 21:28:40 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] easy .zip attachment filtering with exim, Debian? Message-ID: <20050726022826.GA7312@dandrake.org> Hello all, I've been getting tons of spam recently that takes the form of a forged bounce message with a zip file attached. These are of course viruses, and I've been marking them as spam (I use bogofilter) but it seems like some sort of virus scanner or attachment filter would be a better way to deal with these messages. I use Debian unstable, with a stock exim4 mailer installed. I pull down my mail using fetchmail. Any suggestions on what I should use? I'm looking for something very simple and reasonably effective. Performance isn't an issue; I don't receive that much mail, and this is my own box anyway. TIA for any advice. Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050725/fc7b340d/attachment.pgp From dru at druswanderings.net Mon Jul 25 21:48:25 2005 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jul 25 21:48:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] easy .zip attachment filtering with exim, Debian? In-Reply-To: <20050726022826.GA7312@dandrake.org> References: <20050726022826.GA7312@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <42E5A479.9030006@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 dan wrote: > > I use Debian unstable, with a stock exim4 mailer installed. I pull down > my mail using fetchmail. Any suggestions on what I should use? # apt-get install clamav clamav-freshclam It has worked quite well for me although I'm not sure how to intigrate it with Exim (I use Postfix). However, since you're looking at low volume, some simple procmail rules would probably be sufficient. - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC5aR5iwhv4FBqkV8RAtBbAKCP57PVlCsYjFT+Zi3JUBL2QCuZ6ACglNfx gZa6ekbo359V4/O5Hzu4NwM= =rbfn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From poptix at poptix.net Tue Jul 26 01:20:57 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jul 26 01:22:43 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multiport NICs and Linux = Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1122358857.2707.19.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> Multiport NICs are not expensive, or poorly supported. Google for Compaq NC3131, they're dual (can be upgraded to quad) Intel Ether Express Pro 100's on a PCI bridge built into the card. (Note, these are 64bit/66mhz cards, but they operate fine in 32bit/33mhz slots unless you opt for the dual gigabit daughterboard) Other companies have taken various other chipsets and done the same thing, I recall seeing a quad port rtl8181 based board not so long ago. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5792027257&category=51195&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1 Quad port tulip chipset based NIC, $4.99 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5791419530&category=51195&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1 Same card, $19.95 buy-it-now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5792594592&category=56092&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1 Lot of 4 Compaq NC3131 (8 ports total) for $40 buy-it-now. Ignore the clueless people on this list. On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 14:07 -0500, Randy Clarksean wrote: > I am looking at a side project (fun/educational) to buy a couple used > multiport NICs, select a Linux distribution, and make a router/firewall out > of some old hardware. Has anyone out there tried this task and had any > success? Suggestions on Linux distributions for just a router/firewall > configuration? CD bootable versions? > > Quick google search produced: > > Linux router project (now DEAD) > BBI agent > Diet-Router > fli4l > floppyfw > FreeciSCO > Rock Router Linux > Sisela > > Would be nice if anyone had some thoughts on these or other distributions. > My goal is to have a secure, solid, remotely administrable system. > > Many thanks in advance ... as always. > > Randy From poptix at poptix.net Tue Jul 26 01:23:32 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jul 26 01:24:42 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] missing ~70MB on a half-gig memory chip? In-Reply-To: <42E03372.8050703@eworld3.net> References: <20050721212908.GA5579@dandrake.org> <42E03372.8050703@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <1122359012.2707.21.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 18:44 -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I guess Crucial has been having quality problems recently. My company's > IT dept reports 10% DOA, and more flaky. Flaky memory does not result in 450MB sticks of ram. It's onboard video stealing memory. From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 07:55:41 2005 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Tue Jul 26 07:56:47 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] missing ~70MB on a half-gig memory chip? In-Reply-To: <1122359012.2707.21.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> References: <20050721212908.GA5579@dandrake.org> <42E03372.8050703@eworld3.net> <1122359012.2707.21.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> Message-ID: <42E632CD.9010107@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050726/7044b1ae/attachment.htm From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Jul 26 09:08:41 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue Jul 26 09:08:48 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] easy .zip attachment filtering with exim, Debian? In-Reply-To: <42E5A479.9030006@druswanderings.net> References: <20050726022826.GA7312@dandrake.org> <42E5A479.9030006@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20050726140842.2CCE13EEA@skuld.wookimus.net> The Wandering Dru wrote: > # apt-get install clamav clamav-freshclam > > It has worked quite well for me although I'm not sure how to > intigrate it with Exim (I use Postfix). However, since you're > looking at low volume, some simple procmail rules would probably be > sufficient. If you have Postfix in mind (or any MTA, really), look at clamsmtp_, an SMTP proxy for ClamAV daemon that can work either transparently or as a stand-alone. I actually maintain the package_ and run the daemon at home. It works very well. References ========== .. _clamsmtp: http://memberwebs.com/nielsen/software/clamsmtp/ .. _package: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/clamsmtp.html -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Jul 26 11:50:23 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Tue Jul 26 11:50:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian or Slackware on Old Laptop... again In-Reply-To: <200507251726.j6PHQcCD013788@delta.twp-llc.com> References: <200507251726.j6PHQcCD013788@delta.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <20608.192.28.2.17.1122396623.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> I'm re-installing Linux on an old laptop for a few reasons. When I try Slackware 10.1, it gets to the point of copying files over the network, and I get hundreds of frame inconsistency messages, and it just stops. When I try Debian Sarge, it gets to the root floppy and gets I/O errors on it, even though the diskette can be read by another machine and the boot floppy works great. Hardware: IBM ThinkPad 750P, 36MB RAM, 12GB HD. LinkSys PCMPC200 wired 16-bit 100Mbps PC Card. No CD drive. I add "floppy=thinkpad" to the kernel parameters, and it works fine for Slackware, but it seems to get ignored by debian. There's a "--" in the debian kernel command line and all parameters after that seem to be ignored. Any tips on getting either working are greatly appreciated. More points for getting XFree86 3.3.6 running, as it's the last version with the svga driver for the WD90C24 video chip. Thanks, Chris From brockn at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 12:35:23 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Tue Jul 26 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Multiport NICs and Linux = Router In-Reply-To: <1122358857.2707.19.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> References: <1122358857.2707.19.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> Message-ID: <741dcbb80507261035258a936a@mail.gmail.com> When offering our experiences I said I had tried them 3 years ago. Steve said "(too expensive last time I checked)" which was not qualified with a time frame, which means it could have been longer. Your information is helpful, but your comment "Ignore the clueless people on this list" is irrelevant and does not jib with the statements made. On 7/26/05, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Multiport NICs are not expensive, or poorly supported. > > Google for Compaq NC3131, they're dual (can be upgraded to quad) Intel > Ether Express Pro 100's on a PCI bridge built into the card. (Note, > these are 64bit/66mhz cards, but they operate fine in 32bit/33mhz slots > unless you opt for the dual gigabit daughterboard) > > Other companies have taken various other chipsets and done the same > thing, I recall seeing a quad port rtl8181 based board not so long ago. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5792027257&category=51195&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1 > > Quad port tulip chipset based NIC, $4.99 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5791419530&category=51195&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1 > > Same card, $19.95 buy-it-now. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5792594592&category=56092&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1 > > Lot of 4 Compaq NC3131 (8 ports total) for $40 buy-it-now. > > Ignore the clueless people on this list. > > On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 14:07 -0500, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I am looking at a side project (fun/educational) to buy a couple used > > multiport NICs, select a Linux distribution, and make a router/firewall out > > of some old hardware. Has anyone out there tried this task and had any > > success? Suggestions on Linux distributions for just a router/firewall > > configuration? CD bootable versions? > > > > Quick google search produced: > > > > Linux router project (now DEAD) > > BBI agent > > Diet-Router > > fli4l > > floppyfw > > FreeciSCO > > Rock Router Linux > > Sisela > > > > Would be nice if anyone had some thoughts on these or other distributions. > > My goal is to have a secure, solid, remotely administrable system. > > > > Many thanks in advance ... as always. > > > > Randy > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dan at dandrake.org Tue Jul 26 13:22:23 2005 From: dan at dandrake.org (dan) Date: Tue Jul 26 13:22:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] easy .zip attachment filtering with exim, Debian? In-Reply-To: <20050726140842.2CCE13EEA@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20050726022826.GA7312@dandrake.org> <42E5A479.9030006@druswanderings.net> <20050726140842.2CCE13EEA@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20050726182223.GA6059@dandrake.org> Hmmm, I think I'll go with ClamAV. Unfortunately, freshclam isn't installable in unstable right now because of a dependency problem. I'll work on that tonight a bit. BTW, unstable hasn't updated at all for nearly a week. I read on some news site that they were changing servers...is that still going on? Dan On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 at 09:08AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > The Wandering Dru wrote: > > # apt-get install clamav clamav-freshclam > > > > It has worked quite well for me although I'm not sure how to > > intigrate it with Exim (I use Postfix). However, since you're > > looking at low volume, some simple procmail rules would probably be > > sufficient. > > If you have Postfix in mind (or any MTA, really), look at clamsmtp_, > an SMTP proxy for ClamAV daemon that can work either transparently or > as a stand-alone. I actually maintain the package_ and run the daemon > at home. It works very well. > > References > ========== > .. _clamsmtp: http://memberwebs.com/nielsen/software/clamsmtp/ > .. _package: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/clamsmtp.html > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wrote the Debian netinst CD to a 128MB Compact Flash, to install on an ancient IBM ThinkPad 760L, 24MB RAM. Why? * It had a floppy drive, but my main comp does not * had zero good floppies, no intention of buying new floppies * fresh bananas last longer than floppies in my house Anyway - Debian likes a minimum of 24MB memory, part of which was already used early in the setup, but with 36MB it should be much easier. In particular, I had to switch VTs and manually insmod the generic IDE module. There may have been other similar quirks, but it was still more enjoyable than swapping floppies. "Good for you, how exactly?" you might say - I realize this falls way short of a how-to. If you're interested, email privately with any questions. -Jay From jay-tclug at 3pound.com Tue Jul 26 13:50:00 2005 From: jay-tclug at 3pound.com (Jay J) Date: Tue Jul 26 13:50:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian or Slackware on Old Laptop... again In-Reply-To: <20608.192.28.2.17.1122396623.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <200507251726.j6PHQcCD013788@delta.twp-llc.com> <20608.192.28.2.17.1122396623.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <20050726135000.799db1d9@jthink.zeroink.com> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:50:23 -0500 (CDT) "Chris Schumann" wrote: > Hardware: IBM ThinkPad 750P, 36MB RAM, 12GB HD. LinkSys PCMPC200 wired > 16-bit 100Mbps PC Card. No CD drive. ... > Any tips on getting either working are greatly appreciated. More > points for getting XFree86 3.3.6 running, as it's the last version > with the svga driver for the WD90C24 video chip. Oops. I forgot to mention: As ancient as the 760L ThinkPad is, I was surprised to find it could boot from PC Card. (Your 750P seems more recent than the 760L, presumably it too could do this) So, more correctly, I booted the netinst image on the Compact Flash in the PC Card adapter. -Jay From poptix at poptix.net Tue Jul 26 14:42:43 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jul 26 14:44:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Consumer device to computer on/off remotely In-Reply-To: <1122168054.2780.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <741dcbb805072311531b409b34@mail.gmail.com> <1122168054.2780.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1122406963.23352.0.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 20:20 -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 13:53 -0500, Brock Noland wrote: > > I have a linux box in a storage area in my house. However I would > > prefer to leave it off when I can. Does anyone know of a device I can > > use to turn the computer on/off remotely? Hopefully less than $100? > > If its a fairly current motherboard and NIC (made in the last 5 years?) > you can use Wake on LAN to power it up. And you can power it off at the > command line, if your APM/ACPI is set up properly. > > http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonlan/mini-howto/ ... And the cheap device would be a linux based router such as the WRT54G from which to send the WOL packets. From poptix at poptix.net Tue Jul 26 14:45:39 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jul 26 14:46:51 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200507260153.j6Q1rNP15977@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200507260153.j6Q1rNP15977@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1122407139.23352.4.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 20:53 -0500, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: APC UPS > > 3 APC brand UPS devices > 2 x SmartUPS 700 (SU700NET) > 1 w/bad batteries, 1 w/DEAD batteries. > 1 x SmartUPS V/S 650 (SMARTUPS w/DEAD batteries. > Best Offer takes any/all > co-incidentally looking for replacement batteries for SU1400RM2U Go to batteries plus, they have the batteries you need (for some APC UPS's they are tied together to create a battery pack) Each individual battery is about $23, if I recall correctly. > > Seller Email address: tletofsky at umwcs dot com From brockn at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 17:41:36 2005 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Tue Jul 26 17:42:53 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] WRT54G - Which flash software did you use? Message-ID: <741dcbb805072615413929c30b@mail.gmail.com> I have two WRT54G's and I want to flash them so that I can ssh to them.. Which flash package did you use? Do you recommend it? Brock From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Jul 26 17:51:35 2005 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jul 26 17:52:53 2005 Subject: FW: [tclug-list] Consumer device to computer on/off remotely Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Matthew S. Hallacy > > And the cheap device would be a linux based router such as the WRT54G > from which to send the WOL packets. Does WOL do a full power up from power off? That's just to awaken from a hibernating "standby" power status isn't it? The original question was full power switching. Some X-10 stuff can do full power on/off and has ways for the computer to initiate power off. However, it takes either another computer or an X-10 controller to do the power on. X-10 wake-up options can easily include intrusion alarms and TV cameras, etc. Some years ago I saw battery operated timer cards that would activate a solid state relay so one could do "sleep cycles" by timed events and use batch files or whatever to modify the sleep patterns. Don't know whether these cards are still available, but wouldn't be hard to make one using a real-time clock chip. The X-10 approach has more options and isn't expensive unless one gets gung-ho. Chuck From tclug at natecarlson.com Tue Jul 26 18:19:11 2005 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jul 26 18:20:54 2005 Subject: FW: [tclug-list] Consumer device to computer on/off remotely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Chuck Cole wrote: > Does WOL do a full power up from power off? That's just to awaken from > a hibernating "standby" power status isn't it? The original question > was full power switching. > > Some X-10 stuff can do full power on/off and has ways for the computer > to initiate power off. However, it takes either another computer or an > X-10 controller to do the power on. X-10 wake-up options can easily > include intrusion alarms and TV cameras, etc. > > Some years ago I saw battery operated timer cards that would activate a > solid state relay so one could do "sleep cycles" by timed events and use > batch files or whatever to modify the sleep patterns. Don't know > whether these cards are still available, but wouldn't be hard to make > one using a real-time clock chip. The X-10 approach has more options > and isn't expensive unless one gets gung-ho. The other option is an APC MasterSwitch.. they can be had for a bit more than $100 on eBay ($125-$200), but support switching 8+ devices, depending on model. If you pick one up, make sure to get one with an ethernet module, unless you want to do everything via a serial line.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | nate carlson | natecars@natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com | | depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jul 26 21:57:36 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue Jul 26 21:58:56 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507270257.j6R2vaf01010@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: EIDE Raid Card and Drive Bays/Sleds I posted these a bit over a month ago and there was some interest, but no takers, so I wanted to post again. I have a 2 drive 3Ware 7006-2 raid card and 2 swapable drive bays (no hard drives) that I would like to sell. I am looking for $75/obo. Email hansone@gmail.com with questions. Thanks! Seller Email address: erik at ehanson dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From slushpupie at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 10:12:50 2005 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Wed Jul 27 10:13:04 2005 Subject: FW: [tclug-list] Consumer device to computer on/off remotely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/26/05, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Matthew S. Hallacy > > > > And the cheap device would be a linux based router such as the WRT54G > > from which to send the WOL packets. > > > Does WOL do a full power up from power off? That's just to awaken from a > hibernating "standby" power status isn't it? The original > question was full power switching. It can. I use WOL on several computers, and it does a power on from full off. Using 3com, Intel, and Broadcom cards, they work nicely. The 3com cards require an extra option to the driver, but is otherwise normal. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Jul 27 10:11:56 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Wed Jul 27 10:13:11 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Debian or Slackware on Old Laptop... again In-Reply-To: <200507262323.j6QNNseD016130@delta.twp-llc.com> References: <200507262323.j6QNNseD016130@delta.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <31233.192.28.2.17.1122477116.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> > From: Jay J > On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:50:23 -0500 (CDT) > "Chris Schumann" wrote: > >> Hardware: IBM ThinkPad 750P, 36MB RAM, 12GB HD. LinkSys PCMPC200 wired >> 16-bit 100Mbps PC Card. No CD drive. > ... >> Any tips on getting either working are greatly appreciated. More >> points for getting XFree86 3.3.6 running, as it's the last version >> with the svga driver for the WD90C24 video chip. > > Oops. I forgot to mention: > > As ancient as the 760L ThinkPad is, I was surprised to find it could > boot from PC Card. (Your 750P seems more recent than the 760L, > presumably it too could do this) > > So, more correctly, I booted the netinst image on the Compact Flash in > the PC Card adapter. > > -Jay Thanks for the information, but the 750 is older. It has a 33MHz 80486 CPU. Its boot options are hard disk, floppy and network(!) but I don't have a net-bootable PC Card NIC for it. Thing is, I have done this before, but I didn't document it, so I want to remember or document it this time (www.thinkwiki.org), and I seem to be having more problems this time. I also want it to be useful for others with this hardware, so I would like to avoid requiring hardware like a CF adapter (which I happen to have). The floppies are nearly new, and I've tried several, and they work in other machines, so that's not it. I only need three (Debian) or four (Slackware) floppies before I can install over the network. In Slackware, I think the issue is that heavy use of the NIC when file transfers start just make it go unstable. I've tried the idebus=33 parameter, but that doesn't seem to help. Any other tips for kernel parameters would be awesome. In Debian, I really think it ignores my parameters. After discovering the floppy controller, Slackware says something like "Setting flag 0x01" (I think from "floppy=thinkpad"), but Debian doesn't. Also, Debian seems to ignore my "nopci nousb" flags too, and looks for that hardware. Any tips on getting debian to use the parameters I type would be nice. My other option is to run DOS or Windows to copy the CD's over the network onto a FAT partition and install from there. I didn't need that last time and would like to avoid it again, to keep that room free. Thanks, Chris From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Jul 27 12:12:49 2005 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Wed Jul 27 12:13:05 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Moving Saturday (and Sunday)! Message-ID: <20050727171249.E6CDA3E1E@skuld.wookimus.net> I'm buying Ben Kochie's house, and Kevin Bullock is buying mine! (Small world, really.) This Saturday and Sunday, we will be moving our worldly (and not so worldy) possessions to 1713 Blair Ave from 1318 Minnehaha Ave W, about a mile apart in the Saint Paul Midway area (55104). It's a short move, but more bodies would make it go quicker (we could probably get it done in one day). If you're free on Saturday or Sunday and would like to be fed (brats, chips and beer), please RSVP so I know how much food to buy. Cell: 651-983-8315 (bad reception while at work) Work: 612-624-2918 -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From dan at dandrake.org Wed Jul 27 14:32:39 2005 From: dan at dandrake.org (dan) Date: Wed Jul 27 14:33:07 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] easy .zip attachment filtering with exim, Debian? In-Reply-To: <20050726182223.GA6059@dandrake.org> References: <20050726022826.GA7312@dandrake.org> <42E5A479.9030006@druswanderings.net> <20050726140842.2CCE13EEA@skuld.wookimus.net> <20050726182223.GA6059@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <20050727193239.GA10671@dandrake.org> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 at 01:22PM -0500, dan wrote: > Hmmm, I think I'll go with ClamAV. Unfortunately, freshclam isn't > installable in unstable right now because of a dependency problem. > I'll work on that tonight a bit. I added testing to my apt sources, which pulled in the needed dependency. I've got ClamAV and Exim playing very nicely with each other. It's rejected about 5-10 virus-laden emails already. For others that may want to get ClamAV and Exim working on Debian, there are easy instructions at any of the following three places: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/141 http://ursine.ca/Rejecting_Viruses_The_Right_Way http://koivi.com/exim4-config They are all minor modifications on the same idea. It took a bit of futzing around, but I got it all working. (Sorry Chad, I'm not using clamsmtp, but I'm sure it's just as easy as above.) Thanks to those who gave me advice. Dan -- Ceci n'est pas une .signature. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20050727/6e669024/attachment.pgp From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Jul 28 09:44:22 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Thu Jul 28 09:45:18 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507281444.j6SEiM218181@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Benefit/Garage Sale (7/28-7/30) Benefit Sale for Nicole “Cole” Powers Thursday, July 28th & Friday, July 29th: 8am - 6pm Saturday, July 30th: 8am - 4pm 11225 President Dr. NE, Blaine * 400Mhz AMD K6-2 Computer (needs graphics card, HD, and ATX Power Supply) - $20 * New AMD Athlon XP Motherboard - $10 * 2 AT Cases + Motherboards + CPU, Unknown Speeds. - $5 each * Other Misc Computer Hardware (Sound Card, Network Cards, etc...) - $1 each Also lots of non-computer items: Furniture, Exercise Equipment, Clothing, AVON, Sewing Patterns (never opened), Fabric, Household Items, and much more! Bottled water, soda, cookies and candy bars also available for sale. (Hot dogs & Beer Brats on Saturday!) There will be a raffle for a Cities 97 CD Sampler Volume 15, and a Thomas Kinkade Throw Blanket (never been opened!). More info on Nicole and the Sale at http://www.angelfire.com /ma2/puckerup/benefit.html Please come and show your support. Seller Email address: cdf123 at cdf123 dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From poptix at poptix.net Fri Jul 29 02:09:56 2005 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Fri Jul 29 02:11:29 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Debian or Slackware on Old Laptop... again In-Reply-To: <31233.192.28.2.17.1122477116.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <200507262323.j6QNNseD016130@delta.twp-llc.com> <31233.192.28.2.17.1122477116.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <1122620996.6899.0.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> Drive down to MPC, buy a $10 laptop 44pin->desktop 40pin IDE adapter, install on desktop, transplant laptop drive back to the laptop. presto. On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 10:11 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > > From: Jay J > > On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:50:23 -0500 (CDT) > > "Chris Schumann" wrote: > > > >> Hardware: IBM ThinkPad 750P, 36MB RAM, 12GB HD. LinkSys PCMPC200 wired > >> 16-bit 100Mbps PC Card. No CD drive. > > ... > >> Any tips on getting either working are greatly appreciated. More > >> points for getting XFree86 3.3.6 running, as it's the last version > >> with the svga driver for the WD90C24 video chip. > > > > Oops. I forgot to mention: > > > > As ancient as the 760L ThinkPad is, I was surprised to find it could > > boot from PC Card. (Your 750P seems more recent than the 760L, > > presumably it too could do this) > > > > So, more correctly, I booted the netinst image on the Compact Flash in > > the PC Card adapter. > > > > -Jay > > Thanks for the information, but the 750 is older. It has a 33MHz 80486 > CPU. Its boot options are hard disk, floppy and network(!) but I don't > have a net-bootable PC Card NIC for it. > > Thing is, I have done this before, but I didn't document it, so I want to > remember or document it this time (www.thinkwiki.org), and I seem to be > having more problems this time. I also want it to be useful for others > with this hardware, so I would like to avoid requiring hardware like a CF > adapter (which I happen to have). > > The floppies are nearly new, and I've tried several, and they work in > other machines, so that's not it. I only need three (Debian) or four > (Slackware) floppies before I can install over the network. > > In Slackware, I think the issue is that heavy use of the NIC when file > transfers start just make it go unstable. I've tried the idebus=33 > parameter, but that doesn't seem to help. Any other tips for kernel > parameters would be awesome. > > In Debian, I really think it ignores my parameters. After discovering the > floppy controller, Slackware says something like "Setting flag 0x01" (I > think from "floppy=thinkpad"), but Debian doesn't. Also, Debian seems to > ignore my "nopci nousb" flags too, and looks for that hardware. Any tips > on getting debian to use the parameters I type would be nice. > > My other option is to run DOS or Windows to copy the CD's over the network > onto a FAT partition and install from there. I didn't need that last time > and would like to avoid it again, to keep that room free. > > Thanks, > Chris > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Jul 29 09:01:32 2005 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri Jul 29 09:01:32 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] Re: Debian or Slackware on Old Laptop... again In-Reply-To: <1122620996.6899.0.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> References: <200507262323.j6QNNseD016130@delta.twp-llc.com> <31233.192.28.2.17.1122477116.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> <1122620996.6899.0.camel@littleboy.poptix.net> Message-ID: <31100.192.28.2.17.1122645692.squirrel@alpha.twp-llc.com> While that certainly is an option, I didn't need it last time... so unless that was some fluke, I'm going to try different floppy diskettes and keep plugging away. I mean, the floppies are there pretty much for the express purpose of getting Linux on older machines. If it doesn't work for me (and I do consider myself pretty knowledgeable about installing OSes and the hardware I have), it's not going to work for a lot of people. Chris Matthew S. Hallacy said: > Drive down to MPC, buy a $10 laptop 44pin->desktop 40pin IDE adapter, > install on desktop, transplant laptop drive back to the laptop. > > presto. > > On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 10:11 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >> >> Hardware: IBM ThinkPad 750P, 36MB RAM, 12GB HD. LinkSys PCMPC200 >> wired 16-bit 100Mbps PC Card. No CD drive. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Jul 29 11:11:49 2005 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Fri Jul 29 11:17:34 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200507291611.j6TGBn102760@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Travelstar Laptop HD BEST OFFER Hitachi 40GB 7200 RPM Travelstar Laptop HD It may work, it may not. One pin is slightly bent. I bought it awhile back but my laptop was getting to hot with it in there so I took it out. I successfully copied the data off and forgot about it. Since I just moved, I found it again.. *BEST OFFER* (Possibly the first offer, if its decent.) brock@buzzms.com Seller Email address: brock at buzzms dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From cdf123 at cdf123.net Fri Jul 29 14:58:10 2005 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Fri Jul 29 14:55:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] How much power can a power supply supply if a power supply could supply power? Message-ID: <42EA8A52.6020008@cdf123.net> Hi all, I run a gentoo server in my basement that I use for backing up my DVD collection and nfs mounting it to a MythTV box. I'm getting to the point that my disk space is going to be an issue soon, but the case I have won't hold another drive. So I checked out a few cases and found a Yeong Yang YY-0221 Cube Server Case. This thing can hold 13 drives, plus my dvd-burner. This sounds really cool, and would last me for a very long time, but how would I power all that on a single ATX Power Supply? The server is a dual Xeon, and needs a special power supply (24pin +8pin connectors), and currently has a 550W unit. It's running 5 drives plus a dvd burner. I know you can buy some Y adapters for the HD power cables, but isn't there a limit to how many you can hook up, and how can you figure what it is? Thanks all Chris From thecubic at thecubic.net Fri Jul 29 15:19:40 2005 From: thecubic at thecubic.net (Dave Carlson) Date: Fri Jul 29 15:19:36 2005 Subject: [tclug-list] How much power can a power supply supply if a power supply could supply power? In-Reply-To: <42EA8A52.6020008@cdf123.net> References: <42EA8A52.6020008@cdf123.net> Message-ID: <200507291519.41077.thecubic@thecubic.net> On Friday 29 July 2005 14:58, Chris Frederick wrote: > Hi all, > > I run a gentoo server in my basement that I use for backing up my DVD > collection and nfs mounting it to a MythTV box. I'm getting to the > point that my disk space is going to be an issue soon, but the case I > have won't hold another drive. So I checked out a few cases and found a > Yeong Yang YY-0221 Cube Server Case. This thing can hold 13 drives, > plus my dvd-burner. > > This sounds really cool, and would last me for a very long time, but how > would I power all that on a single ATX Power Supply? > > The server is a dual Xeon, and needs a special power supply (24pin +8pin > connectors), and currently has a 550W unit. It's running 5 drives plus > a dvd burner. > > I know you can buy some Y adapters for the HD power cables, but isn't > there a limit to how many you can hook up, and how can you figure what > it is? There's really no limit on how many you can physically hook up, it's just the power supply that has the problems. Finding out the maximum power is definitely a complicated thing to look into. I have a 550W (a cheap 550W) that was flaking at less 300W load - the temperature was the kicker - the heat exhaust from the CPU was blowing right into the power supply - all I had to do was move the heat exhaust and my power problems went away. Lots of power supplies (like mine) claim 550W, but it's 550W at some rediculously cold temperature, not room temperature or higher. So off the bat you could easily take 33% off of the claimed rating (unless it's a 'TruePower', which I think they measure at room temperature), because you're not going to get any higher unless you're running the thing in a meat freezer. You have to measure devices by the voltage rails - look up your power supply's ratings on each rail, like: 15A - 5V 10A - 12V and after subtracting your motherboard's power (probably in the manual) from the total, subtract for each device for each rail. Dave Carlson