> I happen to think it's very broken behavior myself; but users who aren't
> used to mailing lists seem to expect that when they click "Reply", it will
> go to the person, and when they click "Reply All", it will go to the list.  
> *shrugs*

Yes. One point of irritation is EVERY other list *I* happen to be on,
mangles reply-to. And its how the old list worked for many years. So its
deeply ingrained habit now to just be able to hit Reply, no matter how
"incorrect" it may be.

> Personally, it annoys the heck out of me to get a direct copy of the
> message instead of just receiving it through the listserv. Procmail rules
> on List-Id don't work very well on direct replies, after all!

This is the other point of irritation.

The fact that weird and annoying issues like this exist in the first
place, are the reason I think mailing lists are an ugly kludge created
to solve a problem that no longer exists.

Another reason? The bounce problem. Bob said it himself:

> A random test of 100 email address from the subscriber database came
> up with over 70%(!) of them bouncing (so much for mailman's bounce
> detection, thus why VERP is being turned on).

How much resources on how many servers are being wasted on bounces? Why
is it so tricky to detect them? Using a "push" distribution method for
many-to-many communication just isn't a great fit.

Mailing lists made sense back when everyone wasn't on the net full time,
or even directly connected to the net at all, (UUCP, FidoNet, Bitnet,
Compuserve...) but it really doesn't anymore.