I tend to agree that perhaps more research and trial/error should be put forth before sending an email asking for help. Sometimes taking a step back from the problem for a bit can help in looking at it in a different light. I like to think that part of all this open source is learning how to howto. After doing all the research then the questions seem to be more pertinent and detailed as well. my 0.02. jl Erick Stohr <evisuale007 at yahoo.com> wrote: Well, I guess I assume too much these days, which is my "fault". And yes, with the amt of information out there and archived information (even my Mother knows how to use Google), I guess I could have politely suggested Google, BUT, with the way, except for a few people, I was treated by others when inquiring about questioins I had, I guess again I feel research and learning on your own is the "best" most (most importantly) "rewarding" way to learn. I am far far from a Linux expert, but have used it for a relatively long time, I am in a Windows world at work and we have one Linux server running and I am the only one to support it and I am not even THE System Admin. That is where the "I" in TEAM does not exist. So, do I treat people on this list as part of a TEAM, or try and help them learn on their own by being an a-hole. I honestly don't know. With companies like the GEEK Squad, who originally were "good", now being saturated by incompetent idiots after being purchased by Best Buy, (and I know this because I work a side business supporting some local MN residents and I have often heard "The Geek Squad said I need a whole new computer, rebuild the OS and there is no way to save any data") I question where IT is going and why people are going down that road, is it $ or is it a passion for something they enjoy, while getting paid. Work is work, but I have been blessed with something I never knew I would enjoy doing and getting paid, my process to get where I am at was not the easiest and don't feel that it should have been any other way. So yes, I could/should have said, please try Google. Jonathon Jongsma <jonathon.jongsma at gmail.com> wrote: On 12/26/05, Erick Stohr wrote: > > If it took me less than a minute to come up with a possible solution, then yes, I am going to give "childish scarcasm". Very big of you sir. Bravo. It would have been very difficult for you to kindly suggest googling, I suspect. Jonathon _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ///, //// \ /, / >. \ /, _/ /. James Louis \_ /_/ /. Tech Warrior \__/_ < http://tecnogichida.endoftheinternet.org /<<< \_\_ 612.203.2631 /,)^>>_._ \ lcojiml at yahoo.com (/ \\ /\\\ jglouisjr at gmail.com // ```` ======((`=======[when weather means business]======================= "I am an idealist. I don't know where I'm going but I'm on my way." - Carl Sandburg --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20051227/cc1b06bf/attachment.htm