I really don't like being right in this case, I think Josh knew before I 
said it, sorry Josh. Is everyone as tired as I am of this sort of thing? 
Not just with our home computers but at work, it's insane to have to 
deal with this sort of thing.

I had a Gentoo system up for just a couple of days when it got rooted. 
When I rebuilt it I just didn't install anything that would let them in 
(SSH, FTP, HTTP, etc...) in order to prevent another rootkit showing up. 
I spent 4 hours upgrading to the new versions of AVG (7 is out), SpyBot, 
and HyJackThis on "all" the computers at home. I'm just not in to doing 
that much support of the computers at home. If I don't the DSL 
connection becomes a 33.6k connection in no time at all. :-(

With all the spam, popups, spyware, trojans, rootkits, and other evil 
mice doing this stuff on the web the solution is a better mouse trap, 
not trying to blocking the mice. If a maze or dungeon type system was 
setup to entice, intrigue, entrap, and return the favor too the evil 
mice, it would help to limit the infestation of mice.
It would have to be simple yet seductive to the mind of the mice that do 
these things. Maybe it will take working with ISP's and the open source 
community to come up with something like this.  A "Honey Pot" that 
leaves a bad taste in their mouth, so to speak, for what they are doing 
to other people. A place they can vent the anger or what ever it is they 
feel drives them to do this sort of thing.
I would think the mice that do this sort of thing would be interested in 
porn, ill gotten software, and music as long as when they break-in it's 
easily found and what they didn't expect to easily find. I would venture 
to guess they are careful but over confident in protecting their own 
systems. Let them open the back door, open a trap door in to a world 
they can't resist, then return the favor.

I'm home today with my son who isn't feeling well, I'll be installing 
Snort on my server. I don't know anything about Snort but I hope to at 
least find where the mice are coming in. It's to bad we have to take so 
much time to "attempt" to stop the evil mice. It takes time away from 
the fun we should be having with our families.

Sam.



Josh Welch wrote:

>My company is looking at document management systems, i.e. scan paper into
>digital form and plunk it into a database so you can easily search for it.
>Everyting I've seen to this point has been based on a Windows/SQL Server
>backend. We would really like to see this implemented with Linux as the
>database server, whether it be Oracle, Informix, Postgres or whatever running
>on top of it. We have no time to be putzng around with customized stuff or
>hacking it together ourselves, it needs to be pretty much a canned app. Anyway,
>if you've worked with anything like this please give a shout.
>
>Thanks,
>Josh
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