From mjbird at clavdivs.org Mon Nov 1 08:30:53 2004 From: mjbird at clavdivs.org (Michael J. Bird) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:54:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anybody try FireFox on Debian unstable? [hijack] Message-ID: <4186489D.9030906@clavdivs.org> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrisc at chris.org Mon Nov 1 10:10:14 2004 From: chrisc at chris.org (Chris Cox, N0UK) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:54:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS woes continue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > dig @ns.gofast.net itasca.net > > I get a SERVFAIL. But asking ns2 I get the correct answer. > > I (hesitantly) say it's an issue with ns.gofast.net, and pulling that out > of resolv.conf and using just ns2 should fix it. I would have to agree. As was suggested, the deployment of named locally was a complete red herring. -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv33 chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! Keep your off-road vehicle off the road. http://www.mini2.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonner.2530195 at bloglines.com Mon Nov 1 10:16:43 2004 From: jonner.2530195 at bloglines.com (jonner.2530195@bloglines.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:54:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] screen and ssh Message-ID: <1099325803.699015655.24125.sendItem@bloglines.com> I've got a quick question regarding screen over ssh. I use putty from windows machines to connect to my linux machine. Under the SSH configuration options, for "Remote command", I put "screen -r || screen" so that it will resume a screen session if one exists or start a new one if one doesn't. The problem is, when I use this command, the Del key doesn't work. It simply beeps and inserts a tilde (~). When I remove the "remote command" option and simply ssh to my box normally, the Del key works fine. And even if I then proceed to run 'screen' or 'screen -r', the del key works fine inside the screen session then as well. But for some reason, starting the screen session from the Putty configuration settings screws up the Del key. Anybody have any ideas why this might be or how I could get around it? Thanks, Jonathon _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Mon Nov 1 10:35:06 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:54:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] screen and ssh In-Reply-To: <1099325803.699015655.24125.sendItem@bloglines.com> References: <1099325803.699015655.24125.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 jonner.2530195@bloglines.com wrote: > configuration settings screws up the Del key. Anybody have any ideas why > this might be or how I could get around it? Oh wait, you're actually talking about the DEL key, not BS. Try changing term type in Putty to vt-100+. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Mon Nov 1 10:33:13 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:54:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] screen and ssh In-Reply-To: <1099325803.699015655.24125.sendItem@bloglines.com> References: <1099325803.699015655.24125.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 jonner.2530195@bloglines.com wrote: > configuration settings screws up the Del key. Anybody have any ideas why > this might be or how I could get around it? Have you tried changing backspace from C-? to C-H in Putty->Settings->Terminal->Keyboard? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonner.2530195 at bloglines.com Mon Nov 1 11:10:14 2004 From: jonner.2530195 at bloglines.com (jonner.2530195@bloglines.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:54:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] screen and ssh Message-ID: <1099329014.1205073385.23324.sendItem@bloglines.com> > Oh wait, you're actually talking about the DEL key, not BS. Try changing > term type in Putty to vt-100+. Fantastic. That worked. I thought I had tried all of those options already. Anybody have any idea why it works fine if I don't run 'screen' immediately upon logging in? I'm puzzled. Jonathon _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 11:29:10 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:54:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ubuntu lock-ups In-Reply-To: <1099163772.5327.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099163772.5327.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d6c825304110109295c4c5b86@mail.gmail.com> I had this problem when my 3D graphics stopped working. See if you have 3D rendering available on your computer. Run 'glxinfo | grep render' to see if you have direct rendering turned on. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 1 11:03:53 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] screen and ssh In-Reply-To: <1099325803.699015655.24125.sendItem@bloglines.com> References: <1099325803.699015655.24125.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: <20041101170353.GH20364@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Nov 1 11:25:36 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anybody try FireFox on Debian unstable? [hijack] In-Reply-To: <4186489D.9030906@clavdivs.org> References: <4186489D.9030906@clavdivs.org> Message-ID: <20041101172536.GA32354@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 08:30:53AM -0600, Michael J. Bird wrote: > >Sorry to hijack, but I'm curious about what other Debianites use on > >their unstable desktops. I've gotten nothing but pain from Firefox, > >so I've stuck with Opera and Mozilla Navigator. > > > >JT > I'm running Debian Sarge (testing), not Sid (unstable), but I use Firefox > 1.0PR & Thunderbird 0.81 and have no problems under KDE except for getting > T-Bird to automatically launch F-Fox from an embedded link. KDE keeps > trying to launch Konqueror, even though I've played with the file > associations. > > OT, I'm unable to figure out how to change the background colors for the > message header pane and the folder pane on T-Bird. > > I just changed my kids from Mozilla to F-Fox/T-Bird (they're also on Debian > Sarge) and they saw several websites start working better than under the > default Mozilla. Mostly Java applets. And, of course, it makes the XP > machine I run for games have a consistent interface. I found the Walnut > theme to give me fonts that I find more readable than the default theme. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll give the Walnut theme a look. I apt-upgraded to the latest FF (1.0PR) yesterday. Menu highlighting is still b0rken under Gnome, but that might not be FF's fault. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nam797 at excite.com Mon Nov 1 15:45:30 2004 From: nam797 at excite.com (nam797@excite.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email Server Message-ID: <20041101214530.6EB55B707@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> I have just been put in charge of building and managing a emailserver for work. We need to be able to filter out spam,junk email and porn. It needs to be easy to configure and easy to add mods to. Does anyone know of a good book or website that might be able to help me or just steer me in the right direction for this project. Thanks, Nathan _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 1 16:15:27 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email Server In-Reply-To: <20041101214530.6EB55B707@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> References: <20041101214530.6EB55B707@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: <20041101221527.GK20364@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Mon Nov 1 18:06:45 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] screen and ssh In-Reply-To: <1099329014.1205073385.23324.sendItem@bloglines.com>; from jonner.2530195@bloglines.com on Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 05:10:14PM -0000 References: <1099329014.1205073385.23324.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: <20041101180645.A3295@thinkunix.net> jonner.2530195@bloglines.com wrote: > > Oh wait, you're actually talking about the DEL key, not BS. Try changing > > term type in Putty to vt-100+. > > Fantastic. That worked. I thought > I had tried all of those options already. Anybody have any idea why it works > fine if I don't run 'screen' immediately upon logging in? I'm puzzled. I suspect it's a difference between the term types in your /etc/termcap or /etc/terminfo, depending on which your distro uses. Poke around there and look at the entries for "screen" and "vt100". -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Mon Nov 1 20:14:45 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email Server In-Reply-To: <20041101214530.6EB55B707@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> References: <20041101214530.6EB55B707@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: <4186ED95.3020108@veldy.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 1 21:38:16 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian postfix amavisd-new clamav spamassassin In-Reply-To: <4181554B.8010005@info9.net> References: <4181554B.8010005@info9.net> Message-ID: <20041102033816.GC1378@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Mon Nov 1 21:53:03 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian postfix amavisd-new clamav spamassassin In-Reply-To: <20041102033816.GC1378@wookimus.net> References: <4181554B.8010005@info9.net> <20041102033816.GC1378@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <4187049F.6010901@info9.net> Chad Walstrom wrote: >>Does anyone have strategies for debugging this (ideally to >>clear out these queues before turning content filtering back on)??? > > Looks like your queue was flushed out. ;-) > Umm yes... I am planning to redo my config with clamSMTP for anti virus checking and remove amavisd-new. Sorry for the *delayed* and frenzied post! And thanks a ton to Chad for awesome tips! --Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Mon Nov 1 22:08:12 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Dilemna Message-ID: <4187082C.9060100@veldy.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Nov 1 22:32:51 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Dilemna In-Reply-To: <4187082C.9060100@veldy.net> References: <4187082C.9060100@veldy.net> Message-ID: <20041101223251.0000145b@schubert> On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:08:12 -0600 "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > I have a gateway/firewall/you-name-it server that has just been > giving me performance trouble. I have been running FreeBSD 5x (now > 5.3-RC2) faithfully on it, hoping for better days. Well, the > performance just isn't there (it is a rather old machine with 288MB > RAM / P2-333). I put Gentoo on it and it performed well. However, > I now find Gentoo lacking in several areas. One is that MySQL is > not up-to-date (I actually prefer postgresql), even in the unstable > branch. OpenLDAP is not up-to-date either. I like to compile stuff like MySQL/PostgreSQL from source for this reason. I usually pick a distro like Debian/SuSE/Slackware whatever and use the underlying package manager to deal with the libs and basic software, desktop/X etc. Anything I want to keep up to date (PhP/Apache/etc) I build on my own. It's worked very well for a while, though it takes dedicated maintenance. > I prefer the 2.6 kernel as performance seems to be best with it. > > Should I consider Debian with versions of unstable packages? > Should I consider Fedora? > Anything else I should consider for leading edge and up-to-date [I > don't want to necessarily bleed, although I can deal with some blood > loss]. I cannot speak for Fedora as I no longer run RPM based distros. Debian unstable I have heard can actually be quite stable if you do it "right". Personally, Slackware 10 has a 2.6 kernel (not enabled by default, but easy to install from one of the CD's) and so far slack 10 is a rock solid distro. As for performance, I put Slack on a PII 233 labtop with Gnome 2.6 and it wasn't just crazy blazing, but the performance was surprizingly decent given the age of the hardware. Then the LCD went bad on me. Again... :( I have Debian stable running on a 486 for a firewall/gateway and it's quite nice. No X installed of course. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Nov 2 00:35:04 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Dilemna In-Reply-To: <4187082C.9060100@veldy.net>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 10:08:12PM -0600 References: <4187082C.9060100@veldy.net> Message-ID: <20041102003504.C28881@thinkunix.net> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I have a gateway/firewall/you-name-it server that has just been giving > me performance trouble. I have been running FreeBSD 5x (now 5.3-RC2) > faithfully on it, hoping for better days. Well, the performance just > isn't there (it is a rather old machine with 288MB RAM / P2-333). I put > Gentoo on it and it performed well. However, I now find Gentoo lacking > in several areas. One is that MySQL is not up-to-date (I actually > prefer postgresql), even in the unstable branch. OpenLDAP is not > up-to-date either. I find that several packages are not tested well > either, for instance maildrop, which will gladly fail with a 0x0B (sig > 11) when a filter rule matches [this does NOT happen on FreeBSD]. So, I > don't know what to do to be happy? What exactly were the performance issues you were having with FreeBSD? I've run FreeBSD 4.8-4.10 on a 486 as a gateway box and haven't had any performance problems. You might try the local BSD user's group for help on the FreeBSD end of things: http://www.tcbug.org/ I've also used a stripped down version of Slackware on an old 486 in the past for a gateway/firewall/ssh/dns server. It performed well, was very stable, and had a small footprint that fit comfortably on a 540 MB hard drive and 32 MB RAM. I ran a 2.4 kernel though. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Tue Nov 2 07:20:59 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Dilemna In-Reply-To: <4187082C.9060100@veldy.net> References: <4187082C.9060100@veldy.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I have a gateway/firewall/you-name-it server that has just been giving me > performance trouble. I have been running FreeBSD 5x (now 5.3-RC2) faithfully > on it, hoping for better days. Well, the performance just isn't there (it is > a rather old machine with 288MB RAM / P2-333). I put Gentoo on it and it Have you tried running 4-STABLE instead of the 5- branch? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 12:26:19 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba authenticating to ldap server in MS domain Message-ID: <67f3084a04110210267a702911@mail.gmail.com> I'm currently researching a way for Samba servers to authenticate to a MS domain that uses LDAP. I'm still in preliminary research, but does anyone have any gotchas or things to look out for? As an fyi, the versions of Samba are anywhere from very old to 3.x if that makes a difference. Just looking for some things to pay particular attention to as I'm researching this. I've joined servers to MS domains before, but not via ldap. I was just told that our domain controllers are going ldap.. Thanks. -- -Shawn "That which hits the fan, will not be evenly distributed." _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 2 12:35:58 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Dilemna In-Reply-To: <20041101223251.0000145b@schubert> References: <4187082C.9060100@veldy.net> <20041101223251.0000145b@schubert> Message-ID: <20041102183558.GE1378@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue Nov 2 13:23:23 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Dilemna In-Reply-To: <20041102003504.C28881@thinkunix.net> References: <4187082C.9060100@veldy.net> <20041102003504.C28881@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <4187DEAB.3050005@veldy.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue Nov 2 13:28:32 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Dilemna In-Reply-To: <20041102183558.GE1378@wookimus.net> References: <4187082C.9060100@veldy.net> <20041101223251.0000145b@schubert> <20041102183558.GE1378@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <4187DFE0.3060804@veldy.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Tue Nov 2 13:51:01 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OS Dilemna In-Reply-To: <4187DEAB.3050005@veldy.net> References: <4187082C.9060100@veldy.net> <20041102003504.C28881@thinkunix.net> <4187DEAB.3050005@veldy.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > about 4MB/s outbound when it should be above 9MB/s. This does not seem to be > a NIC driver issue, but some sort of caching issue / memory issue. You can > see that there is a massive amount of I/O when doing reads to feed the FTP Have you checked mbuf usage when you're topping out the bandwidth? netstat -m _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Wed Nov 3 10:05:51 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Tom Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email Server In-Reply-To: <20041101214530.6EB55B707@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> References: <20041101214530.6EB55B707@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: <200411031005.54974.tom@1337consulting.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 11:52:06 2004 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba authenticating to ldap server in MS domain In-Reply-To: <67f3084a04110210267a702911@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a04110210267a702911@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ignore the LDAP portion enterily. Windows domain controllers do LDAP yes, but it's still a windows domain. The limitation of a Native Windows 2003 Active Directory is that domain controllers must be Windows 2003, so no Windows 2000 or Windows NT domain controllers. A Windows 2003 Native Active Directory still supports WinXP, Win2k, Win9x, WinNT4, etc...so as long as the version of samba you're running can join a domain, you're more or less set. Setup samba as a domain member, setup winbind if you want to use the windows domain to login clients to Linux workstations, etc. Read the Official Samba 3 HOWTO. :) I'd suggesst upgrading the older versions of Samba to the latest version. If that isn't an option, samba can still join the domain, but IMHO, you're better off maintaining one version of samba than many different versions, you'll just end up confusing yourself getting the differences between 2.x and 3.x figured out. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 13:29:26 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba authenticating to ldap server in MS domain In-Reply-To: References: <67f3084a04110210267a702911@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a041103112973baa299@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:52:06 -0600, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > Ignore the LDAP portion enterily. Windows domain controllers do LDAP > yes, but it's still a windows domain. The limitation of a Native > Windows 2003 Active Directory is that domain controllers must be > Windows 2003, so no Windows 2000 or Windows NT domain controllers. > > A Windows 2003 Native Active Directory still supports WinXP, Win2k, > Win9x, WinNT4, etc...so as long as the version of samba you're running > can join a domain, you're more or less set. > > Setup samba as a domain member, setup winbind if you want to use the > windows domain to login clients to Linux workstations, etc. Read the > Official Samba 3 HOWTO. :) > > I'd suggesst upgrading the older versions of Samba to the latest > version. If that isn't an option, samba can still join the domain, but > IMHO, you're better off maintaining one version of samba than many > different versions, you'll just end up confusing yourself getting the > differences between 2.x and 3.x figured out. > Thanks, Andrew. The *nix boxes (Linux, AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, Tru64) won't be domain controllers in any fashion. I was told that the domain controllers are being rebuilt/upgraded to Win2k3. I'll read thru the Samba 3 docs to see what needs to be done. As to upgrading the older boxes, that might be more hassle than it's worth. Aside from Linux, to my knowledge all major UNIX vendors are still shipping Samba 2.x. Which may be the killing factor for Samba upgrades. -- -Shawn "That which hits the fan, will not be evenly distributed." _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Wed Nov 3 13:46:32 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Not an official job posting Message-ID: Just a heads up that Toro will be posting an opening soon in our IT Security team. We are looking for somebody who is solid in the following areas (focus of this position is on directory and web security): LDAP Entrust GetAccess Certs and PKI Directory synchronization E-directory I'm sure there will be more, but it's not my area. Please keep an eye on http://www.thetorocompany.com/careers/index.html for further information. We desparately need somebody to hit the ground running. This is NOT an entry level position. In the past, I've had people send my resume's, but I'm not sure I'm adding any value at this point. Probably best to go through normal channels. I will be happy to answer questions, if I'm able. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kc0iog at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 22:17:47 2004 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] computer donations Message-ID: <2c6699da0411032017ddc07f6@mail.gmail.com> I have a whole slew of functional PII-400 PCs with 17" monitors that may need a home. I'd prefer to donate them to one of those non-profit "fix and resell" places, if there's any around anymore. I know of a couple, but I think they all went under (receive PCs, fix PCs, ???, Profit!). Are there any companies in the metro (west metro preferred) that do this kind of thing? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Thu Nov 4 05:31:54 2004 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry W) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] computer donations In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0411032017ddc07f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da0411032017ddc07f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418A132A.8030300@comcast.net> Brian Wall wrote: > I have a whole slew of functional PII-400 PCs with 17" monitors that >may need a home. I'd prefer to donate them to one of those non-profit >"fix and resell" places, if there's any around anymore. I know of a >couple, but I think they all went under (receive PCs, fix PCs, ???, >Profit!). Are there any companies in the metro (west metro preferred) >that do this kind of thing? > >-Brian > > > Brian, Not in the West Metro area, but might want to check with D.A.R.T.S. (Dakota Area Resources Transportation for Seniors) non profit. They used to repair and donate computers to senior citizens who could not afford a computer . info@darts1.org 651-455-1560. D.A.R.T.S. is located in West St Paul, MN Jerry _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Thu Nov 4 06:18:54 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] computer donations In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0411032017ddc07f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da0411032017ddc07f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041104121854.GA3636@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:17:47PM -0600, Brian Wall wrote: > I have a whole slew of functional PII-400 PCs with 17" monitors that > may need a home. I'd prefer to donate them to one of those non-profit > "fix and resell" places, if there's any around anymore. I know of a > couple, but I think they all went under (receive PCs, fix PCs, ???, > Profit!). Are there any companies in the metro (west metro preferred) > that do this kind of thing? > > -Brian > Check out Compudonors (http://tcpc.com/compudonors.htm). -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lclemens at mn.rr.com Thu Nov 4 06:27:01 2004 From: lclemens at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] computer donations References: <2c6699da0411032017ddc07f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301c4c269$96813020$24fea8c0@selfp6xu3g1ng9> Hi Brian We both fix and resell, and freely donate computer systems through the St. Vincent dePaul Society, an organization that helps people regardless of race, creed, gender, etc. Do you computers have operating systems as well? Larry (I'll be out for a few days, but I look forward to your reply) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Wall" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: [TCLUG] computer donations > I have a whole slew of functional PII-400 PCs with 17" monitors that > may need a home. I'd prefer to donate them to one of those non-profit > "fix and resell" places, if there's any around anymore. I know of a > couple, but I think they all went under (receive PCs, fix PCs, ???, > Profit!). Are there any companies in the metro (west metro preferred) > that do this kind of thing? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 09:48:06 2004 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "technical consultant" job posting Message-ID: <914f813c04110407486fa30fcd@mail.gmail.com> Translated: security consultant at a CPA firm. Short and Long descriptions follow. -John Job Description ? Technical Consultant We are currently looking for entry-level technical consultant to join the Information Security Services group in our Minneapolis office. As a technical consultant, you will do the following: Participate on project teams in the research and selection of software for clients. Assist in software implementation. Evaluates, tests, designs, and documents configurations and dependencies for all new hardware or software products using a detailed, consistent, methodical approach. Acts as a technical liaison to the rest of the team. For consideration we require: * B.S. or an associate degree from a two-year college focused on IT/IS/MIS or computer science. * 3.0 GPA, or above, in major * Copy of transcript * A minimum of 6 months experience in a support or development role, related to application development, desktop, server, or network infrastructure. * Experience with one of these areas: - Cisco IOS software, Cisco hardware, and/or similar experience in network infrastructure hardware and software - Programming and/or Web application development - UNIX/LINUX Please send resumes to: Attn: Recruiting Manager Larson, Allen, Weishair & Co., LLP 220 South Sixth Street, Suite 300 Minneapolis, MN 55402 jobs@larsonallen.com Fax: 612/376-4850 Equal Opportunity Employer Larson, Allen, Weishair & Co., LLP Job Description Summary The Technical Consultant works with the Information Security Services Group (ISSG) to provide technical security consulting to clients, as well as develop and maintain the ISSG network infrastructure. This person performs as a significant member of the ISSG Team to provide quality customer service. Essential Duties & Responsibilities 1. Project Team Participation Responsibilities Approaches all problems and projects with a high level of professionalism, objectivity and an open mind to new ideas and solutions. Analyzes and identifies areas where automation can be used in the deployment and implementation of new technology to support effective resource management. 2. Application Software Selection Responsibilities Works cooperatively with the ISSG team to identify technical solutions, which will meet business needs and are in accordance with IT standards. Researches new desktop/server/application solutions proactively, making recommendations for migrations where appropriate. Provides quality technical solutions that take into consideration the desktop and network environments. 3. Application Software Implementation Responsibilities Evaluates, tests, designs, and documents configurations and dependencies for all new hardware or software products using a detailed, consistent, methodical approach. Ensures that thorough testing has been completed, appropriate to the impact of the technology change. Provides ISSG staff with documentation and training on technical aspects of new or modified application technology prior to implementation. Sets realistic expectations for completion of projects and/or tasks, managing customer's expectations in line with realistic project outcomes. Keeps ISSG and management informed of issues, concerns, and overall project or problem status. 4. Application Software Support Responsibilities Acts as a technical resource to ISSG members, and broader LarsonAllen regarding technical questions. Works cooperatively with other areas of LarsonAllen staff to solve technical problems. Maintains technical vendor relationship in support of ISSG. Makes suggestions and recommendations to processes, technology and future directions. 5. Other Administrative Responsibilities Communicates with other team members and customers. Manages time and expense reporting for self in accordance with LarsonAllen standards. Contributes to LarsonAllen's continual process improvement. Develops and maintains quality relationships with appropriate vendor technical resources. Performs other duties as may be reasonable and necessary. Takes ownership of career development through self-assessment and self-improvement. Works with management to develop continuous learning plan and to match skills, interests and values to opportunities that exist within the firm Competencies Communication - Speaks and writes succinctly and clearly; listens carefully and seeks clarification as needed. Diversity - Promotes a harassment-free environment. Ethics - Treats people with respect; keeps commitments; inspires the trust of others; works ethically and with integrity; upholds organizational values. Organizational Support - Follows policies and procedures. Judgment - Displays willingness to make decisions; exhibits sound and accurate judgment; includes appropriate people in decision-making process. Professionalism - Approaches others in a tactful manner; accepts responsibility for own actions; follows through on commitments. Safety and Security - Observes safety and security procedures; uses equipment and materials properly. Attendance/Punctuality - Is consistently at work and on time. Qualifications Must be able to perform each essential duty satisfactorily. The requirements listed below are representative of the knowledge, skill, and/or ability required. Reasonable accommodations may be made to enable individuals with disabilities to perform the essential functions. The applicant will have a strong background in ONE of the following three areas: Cisco IOS software, Cisco hardware, and/or similar experience in network infrastructure hardware and software Unix/Linux operating systems Programming and/or Web application development Education and/or Experience Bachelor's degree from a four-year college or university, or an associate degree from a two-year college focused on IT/IS/MIS or computer science. A minimum of 6 months experience in a support or development role, related to application development, desktop, server, or network infrastructure. Computer Skills Operating Systems: Windows 2000/XP, MS DOS, NT, Unix, Cisco IOS, Linux Network Technologies*: LAN environment, WAN environment, Ethernet topology, TCP/IP, DHCP, WINS, DNS, FTP, Firewalls, Dial-up Networking, NT Server, Novell Netware, Wireless, Citrix. Software: MS Office, Internet Explorer, MS Exchange, MS Outlook, Attachmate, Other Business Applications (Accounting, practice management, CRM, etc.) Hardware: IBM Compatible PC's, Laptops, Printers, Modems, Ethernet NICs, Routers, Switches and Firewalls *The Technical Consultant should have a good understanding of the various network technologies, allowing them to proactively identify potential issues related to inter-connectivity between the distributed technology components. Other Qualifications Ability to travel when required. Physical Demands The physical demands described here are representative of those that must be met by an employee to successfully perform the essential functions of this job. Reasonable accommodations may be made to enable individuals with disabilities to perform the essential functions. While performing the duties of this job, the employee is regularly required to sit; use hands to finger, handle, or feel; talk; and hear. The employee is occasionally required to stand; walk; reach with hands and arms; and stoop, kneel, crouch, or crawl. Specific vision abilities required by this job include close vision, distance vision, color vision and ability to adjust focus. Work Environment The work environment characteristics described here are representative of those an employee encounters while performing the essential functions of this job. Reasonable accommodations may be made to enable individuals with disabilities to perform the essential functions. While performing the duties of this job, the employee may be occasionally exposed to risk of electrical shock. The noise level in the work environment is usually moderate. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 10:49:52 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] computer donations In-Reply-To: <000301c4c269$96813020$24fea8c0@selfp6xu3g1ng9> References: <2c6699da0411032017ddc07f6@mail.gmail.com> <000301c4c269$96813020$24fea8c0@selfp6xu3g1ng9> Message-ID: <9d6c82530411040849c332dbf@mail.gmail.com> Is there a possible machine available for a church donation? Faith Lutheran in Apple Valley could use one machine and monitor. Would you need a receipt? -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Thu Nov 4 10:56:41 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] opinions on MAAWG, SPF, PGP/MIME, etc.? Message-ID: <418A5F49.4000301@info9.net> All: The Messaging Anti-Abuse Working Group to Evaluate and Recommend E-Mail Authentication Protocols http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041104/neth025_1.html I'm curious what opinions folks might have on MAAWG, SPF and if, instead (or in addition to) draconion SMTP hacks we might actually graduate to using certificates (e.g. S/MIME or PGP/MIME w/GPG, etc.)? I know the issue is how do you get Grandma to generate a cert (or public/private key pair) update her e-mail client appropriately and help her when she forgets her passphrase. This also assumes that e-mail clients will be able to filter based on the presence of a valid signature. Regards, --Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wnpauls2 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 4 11:10:03 2004 From: wnpauls2 at yahoo.com (Paul Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem with FireFox ... In-Reply-To: <20041101041737.GA4969@crito> Message-ID: <20041104171003.42575.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From b at spam.neigebauer.com Thu Nov 4 09:44:23 2004 From: b at spam.neigebauer.com (b@spam.neigebauer.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Active Directory Authentication Message-ID: <62194.209.46.84.226.1099583063.squirrel@209.46.84.226> I am running Fedora Core 1. I'd like it so that valid domain users on an active directory domain can log into linux machines without me having to set them in Linux first. Is this possible? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 11:50:14 2004 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Active Directory Authentication In-Reply-To: <62194.209.46.84.226.1099583063.squirrel@209.46.84.226> References: <62194.209.46.84.226.1099583063.squirrel@209.46.84.226> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:44:23 -0500 (EST), b@spam.neigebauer.com wrote: > I am running Fedora Core 1. > > I'd like it so that valid domain users on an active directory domain can > log into linux machines without me having to set them in Linux first. > > Is this possible? Yes - you'll just need to use winbind. It comes with the samba package. There are howto's all over the web. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 11:53:59 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem with FireFox ... In-Reply-To: <20041104171003.42575.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041101041737.GA4969@crito> <20041104171003.42575.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9d6c825304110409533e2526ef@mail.gmail.com> I'm able to log in to Yahoo from Firefox 1.0 PR on a Windows computer. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 11:55:25 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Active Directory Authentication In-Reply-To: <62194.209.46.84.226.1099583063.squirrel@209.46.84.226> References: <62194.209.46.84.226.1099583063.squirrel@209.46.84.226> Message-ID: <9d6c82530411040955125840d8@mail.gmail.com> Look into winbind for PAM authentication. You will have to set up a working samba environment and then have the authentication use winbind to authenticate users. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Nov 4 12:33:12 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem with FireFox ... In-Reply-To: <20041104171003.42575.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041101041737.GA4969@crito> <20041104171003.42575.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041104123312.A7638@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 09:10:03AM -0800, Paul Schumacher wrote: > > > with Firefox I cannot log into my yahoo email account. IE works fine. > > any suggestions would be appreciated. Do you have AdBlock on ? I had to play with its options in order to be able log into mail.com. Also, are you allowing cookies? They are probably encessary as well. Does Mozilla work for you? What Firefox version? -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rhett_76 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 4 13:03:18 2004 From: rhett_76 at yahoo.com (Rhett Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual boot with FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041104123312.A7638@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20041104190318.71094.qmail@web53709.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I recently purchased a new box with an Athlon 64 3200+ proc and 160 gig HD. I would like to make this a dual boot machine (I need to run windows 2000 and visual studio 2003 for work). I'm a bit of a newbie at installing/configuring linux (I got fedora core 2 on my current box), and I'm not really sure how to go about a dual boot. I'm probably going to go with FC3 when it comes out on the 8th since I'm used to fedora and it will take advantage of the 64. So here are my questions in order of severity. Can anyone point me in the direction of a good step-by-step how-to manual? Like I said, I'm a bit of a linux newbie and while I can run make install with the best of them some of the more subtle configurations are still too tough for me. If this isn't a real option would I benefit from purchasing a book on it? How should I partition my drive? I'd like to go 100gigs linux and 60 gigs for windows, but when I read stuff, people recommend having quite a few more partitions for different uses. What's the logic behind this? Is it possible to have a partition that's shared by both (say for mp3 files and other media)? What do I install first? Does it matter if I install windows or linux first? How do I install an initialization utility? is FC3 a good idea? should I work with something less bleeding edge? Are the FC issues written in this article http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ still applicable to FC3 (anyone out there running the preview release on a dual boot?) Sorry if these questions have obvious answers..I just haven't seen much stuff that addresses it. ===== One man's struggle to find art in a sea of infomercials. http://www.rhettoric.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyj27 at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 13:26:14 2004 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] booting software raid 0 Message-ID: <1469cda204110411267daab788@mail.gmail.com> hey all, i've been through the software raid howto and i didn't see this addressed. does anyone know if it is possible to boot linux from a software raid0/5 setup, or do i need to mount / from another partition and mount the raid fs later? i'm looking at a new system and i'd like to play with raid but i don't want to drop $100+ for a hardware sata card just yet. also, would there be any problems with such a setup co-existing with windows on the same drive? TIA, Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From danieljpost at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 15:25:54 2004 From: danieljpost at gmail.com (Daniel J. Post) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual boot with FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041104190318.71094.qmail@web53709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041104123312.A7638@baker.space.umn.edu> <20041104190318.71094.qmail@web53709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Okay I am not an expert on Fedora, but that never stopped anyone from posting before ;) On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:03:18 -0800 (PST), Rhett Butler wrote: > Hello, > > I recently purchased a new box with an Athlon 64 3200+ proc > and 160 gig HD. I would like to make this a dual boot > machine (I need to run windows 2000 and visual studio 2003 > for work). > > I'm a bit of a newbie at installing/configuring linux (I > got fedora core 2 on my current box), and I'm not really > sure how to go about a dual boot. http://www.google.com/search?q=dual+boot+faq should get you pretty far. But you surely knew that already. There's also: http://www.linuxdoc.com/ http://www.linuxdocs.org/ http://www.tldp.org/ (anybody know if this is still alive??) http://www.justlinux.com/ http://linux.about.com/library/bl/open/newbie/blnewbie_toc.htm And this is just fun to flip thru:http://lost.sourceforge.net/ > I'm probably going to go with FC3 when it comes out on the > 8th since I'm used to fedora and it will take advantage of > the 64. > So here are my questions in order of severity. > > Can anyone point me in the direction of a good step-by-step > how-to manual? Like I said, I'm a bit of a linux newbie > and while I can run make install with the best of them some > of the more subtle configurations are still too tough for > me. If this isn't a real option would I benefit from > purchasing a book on it? Buying a book would be a really really Good Idea iff you only have the one computer to work with. I suspect a similar level of help, and probably more current information if you go to the right places, can be had for free on the web. That said, if you own NO books on Linux, do get at least one and read it cover to cover. Just because that is something that should be done. > How should I partition my drive? I'd like to go 100gigs > linux and 60 gigs for windows, but when I read stuff, > people recommend having quite a few more partitions for > different uses. What's the logic behind this? Is it > possible to have a partition that's shared by both (say for > mp3 files and other media)? My favorite Question! Among other reasons, it might be a good idea to make separate partitions for anything you'd want to run in a chroot'd environment (I'll leave it to others to argue the merits of this. Now that I think about it I'm pretty sure Fedora won't do any of what I'm about to discuss by default) Imagine someone manages to crack your [insert process name here] and attempt to use it for a Denial of Service attack on you by filling your [/tmp, /mp3, or whatever] folder full of garbage. First the chroot (theoretically) limits any damage to the small jail in which [process name] lives, in terms of trashing your filesystem. Additionally, if [/tmp, $whatever] lives in its own small (.5GB perhaps ?) partition, the damage is limited to .5GB of your HDD, rather than the 100GB you set aside for linux. With older hardware/kernels you also had to consider that the kernel must be loaded from within the first $N cylinders of the hard drive, which meant you had to make a separate partition to mount /boot in. This "shouldn't" be the case for you. I'd recommend making (at least) separate partitions for these folders (based on old information I read ca. 5 years ago from the Linux Documentation Project. Someone will surely tell me this is outdated/uneccessary/overkill) /boot // ~100-200MB /root // 1-10GB since you won't be doing much as root, *will you?* /var // dunno /tmp // 1-5GB?) /home // up to 20GB? More? /usr // several Gig, since you have the space / // enough to get the rest of Linux on-- This should add up to no less than 2GB and really no more than 20GB since /home and /usr (your biggest HDD hogs) are separate, although in theory you can expand ad infinitum C: // For Windows. What's good now, at least 5GB? D: aka /mp3 // a FAT32 partition unless you can live with having readonly access under Linux (have they fixed NTFS support yet?). Sounds like you'll have 50GB+ to work with, adjust to suit. This is where you keep data you care about, not the Windows partition) I have to mention that in my experience, there are big ugly problems creating partitions using Partition Magic 8 and RedHat 9 (on which Fedora is based, sort of). Something about misaligning the cylinders? Long story short, the RedHat installer didn't like the Linux partitions PM8 had created, and vise versa, which turned out to make partition resizing impossible in that particular dual-boot situation. YMMV. > What do I install first? Does it matter if I install > windows or linux first? How do I install an initialization > utility? My (2 years obsolete) experience was you install Windows first as it WILL hose your MBR and might fool with your partitions. > is FC3 a good idea? should I work with something less > bleeding edge? I think you're reasonably safe there. I'm guessing SP2 will create more problems with being "too new" and "untested" than anything in Fedora. Remember: for the most part, Linux distros are about packaging already-tested software into an easy-to-install format, rather than developing new software and unleashing it on the masses. FC3 will overwhelmingly have more "mature" versions of the same stuff you got w/ FC2. Feel free to argue this point ad nauseum. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scheides at iexposure.com Thu Nov 4 17:23:01 2004 From: scheides at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] booting software raid 0 In-Reply-To: <1469cda204110411267daab788@mail.gmail.com> References: <1469cda204110411267daab788@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200411041723.01435.scheides@iexposure.com> Raid 0 and 5 are not supported yet, you have to make your /boot partition (or wherever your kernel is) raid 1, and then stripe everything else. -scheides On Thursday 04 November 2004 13:26, Thomas Johnson wrote: > hey all, > > i've been through the software raid howto and i didn't see this > addressed. does anyone know if it is possible to boot linux from a > software raid0/5 setup, or do i need to mount / from another partition > and mount the raid fs later? i'm looking at a new system and i'd like > to play with raid but i don't want to drop $100+ for a hardware sata > card just yet. also, would there be any problems with such a setup > co-existing with windows on the same drive? > > TIA, > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 20:19:22 2004 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual boot with FC3 In-Reply-To: References: <20041104123312.A7638@baker.space.umn.edu> <20041104190318.71094.qmail@web53709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Depending on your current setup... The first thing to know is that you will either have to resize your partition (assuming that your windows install takes up the entire drive.) Fedora's installer might support this, but I don't think so... So if you don't have access to some partition resizer tool, just expect to hose windows completely. If you do have a partition resizer (Like Partition Magic) back up your stuff...it might not work. :) Before you start, you may just want to have some sort of rescue CD handy to restore grub. Knoppix works well for this, so download and burn a Knoppix CD first (and...make sure it works!) That said, windows usually liked to be on the first partiton (hda1 in most cases.) Install Fedora first, create a hda1 partition, but make sure you set it to be a windows partition. Then create your partition(s) for Linux after the first one. Make sure you write down your partitions for reference later. (ie: /dev/hda5 = /, /dev/hda6 = /home, etc...) Once Linux is installed, install windows. (if you started clean...) After the windows install finishes, you'll notice that your computer will only boot Windows. Don't panic, Windows just overwrote your bootloader when it installed (nauty Windows!). This will happen every time you install Windows, so be ready for it. This is where the Knoppix CD comes in... Pop in the Knoppix CD. At the prompt, knoppix 2 should kick you into text only mode. Once booted, mount up your linux partitions. mount -t ext3 /dev/hda5 /mnt mount -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /mnt/home However you partitioned your disk. Now with your linux partitions mounted (under Knoppix), run the following commands: grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt/boot/grub /dev/hda You may get some floppy I/O errors even if you do specify --no-floppy (I did when I did this yesterday...), but as long as you get a "Completed with no errors" type message, you are set. You should get your grub menu when you reboot. If Fedora doesn't add a Windows option to the boot menu, it's easy to add. Just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, and look at the comments. Most distros include an example for booting windows, but just incase, it looks like: title Windows 95/98/NT/2000 root (hd0,0) makeactive chainloader +1 Save the file, reboot, and your grub menu should display Windows and Linux. I highly recommend you check Fedora's documentation. It might tell you how to safely resize your windows partition if that feature is available in the downloaded version of Fedora. Some Linux distributers include limited versions of Partition Magic or other nifty utils with their retail CDs, but not with the download version. Or maybe Fedora has a clever enough disk partitioner to resize partitions. I haven't looked at Fedora since the test releases of Core 1, so I just don't know. :) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thurianknight at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 20:47:22 2004 From: thurianknight at gmail.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual boot with FC3 In-Reply-To: References: <20041104123312.A7638@baker.space.umn.edu> <20041104190318.71094.qmail@web53709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7bdea6e304110418472d7e2b13@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:19:22 -0600, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > The first thing to know is that you will either have to resize your > partition (assuming that your windows install takes up the entire > drive.) Fedora's installer might support this, but I don't think so... > So if you don't have access to some partition resizer tool, just > expect to hose windows completely. If you do have a partition resizer > (Like Partition Magic) back up your stuff...it might not work. :) > > Before you start, you may just want to have some sort of rescue CD > handy to restore grub. Knoppix works well for this, so download and > burn a Knoppix CD first (and...make sure it works!) Fedora Core 2 didn't have a partition-sizer, and I haven't heard of them adding one for FC3 -- so I would bet they haven't. When I installed FC1 and FC2, I simply used an "old" Mandrake 9.x install CD. Their installer includes a partition-sizer. I just bailed out of the install after resizing my Windows partition :-). An enterprising person might even be able to get their hands on the source for Mandrake's diskdrake (or whatever it's called), and utilize it in RedHat's Anaconda installer. Now THAT would be handy... -- Dave Sherman MCSA, MCSE, CCNA [Insert witty .sig here.] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 20:57:04 2004 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] opinions on MAAWG, SPF, PGP/MIME, etc.? In-Reply-To: <418A5F49.4000301@info9.net> References: <418A5F49.4000301@info9.net> Message-ID: I don't think PGP/GPG is going to catch on with Grandma. (or Joe 6-pack for that matter.) As far as I know, PGP Freeware is no longer being developed. GPG has a fairly steep learning curve, unless the GUI utilities for windows (and other OSes) get an overhaul by developers who are developing for Grandma not themselves, there really isn't a good option for PGP/GnuPG for the non-advanced user. The best option for GnuPG stuff on Windows (and other platforms) right now is Thunderbird + enigmail (http://enigmail.mozdev.org/). I've got it working on Windows, Mac, and Linux and I'm quite happy with it. On Windows, I went with Windows Privacy Tools (http://winpt.sourceforge.net/en/) instead of the GnuPG binaries form gnupg.org. Setup was easier, and you have a GUI frontend for Windows. I used this setup to replace PGP Freeware when I upgraded my girlfriends computer to Windows XP (PGP Freeware doesn't support WinXP...no big loss though!) For my girlfriend who was already familiar with PGP, the transition to the new tools wasn't hard at all. But for a Grandma? Not likely...my Grandma hasn't figured out the entering a subject thing yet. I had to whitelist her or every message got marked as spam due to no subject...*sigh*. What Grandma wants is a system that is transparent to her. In that respect, we're looking for something on the server side. The systems along the line of publishing the legitimate mail servers for a domain/ip block as an extension to DNS or something of that nature would be a good first step. Spammers will still be out there, but at least you can cut down on the zombie mail servers somewhat as your mailserver can look and see "Hey, this isn't an authorized mail server for this IP block....denied!" I suppose that falls into the draconion smtp hack category...but it is along the lines of what Grandma wants. I haven't been following SPF, Server Keys, etc...but I think this is what they are trying for... The important part is that all ISPs, businesses, etc need to agree on this, and agree to move away from the old systems. You'll find ISPs the most receptive I think, but businesses, espically small ones with little or no IT staff, will resist unless it's made law. Businesses have grown to depend on their e-mail, and adding something that might cause them not to get e-mail from an improtant client (who is behind the technology curve perhaps) is not good business. The problem with making it law is that somebody has to enforce it. That pretty much falls on the back of ISPs at some point, so in the US you suddenly have ISPs doing the job of the executive branch...so in the end you are pretty much back where we started... What a mess we've made. :D -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu Nov 4 22:42:19 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem question Message-ID: <418B04AB.3010609@cascopoint.com> Hi, To those that still remember modems :) I got a 33.6 USR sportster of an ebay, trying to set it up for dialup. In minicom none of the commands I type in show on the screen. But if you do like ATDT it dials. So looks like it is alive but just does not echo to terminal. I tried ATE1 command did not help. Maybe somebody has some ideas on what it could be. Thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Nov 4 23:08:21 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem question In-Reply-To: <418B04AB.3010609@cascopoint.com>; from phila@cascopoint.com on Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 10:42:19PM -0600 References: <418B04AB.3010609@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <20041104230821.A14328@thinkunix.net> Anton Yurchenko wrote: > To those that still remember modems :) I got a 33.6 USR sportster of an > ebay, trying to set it up for dialup. In minicom none of the commands I > type in show on the screen. But if you do like ATDT it > dials. So looks like it is alive but just does not echo to terminal. I > tried ATE1 command did not help. > Maybe somebody has some ideas on what it could be. Is minicom's local echo off? try CTRL+A E to toggle it. Have you tried the factory reset commands? AT&F ATZ then powercycle it -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 4 23:37:06 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: Smell of a presentation? was Re: [TCLUG] Active Directory Authentication In-Reply-To: References: <62194.209.46.84.226.1099583063.squirrel@209.46.84.226> Message-ID: <200411042337.07326@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> On Thursday 04 November 2004 11:50 am, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:44:23 -0500 (EST), b@spam.neigebauer.com > > wrote: > > I am running Fedora Core 1. > > > > I'd like it so that valid domain users on an active directory domain can > > log into linux machines without me having to set them in Linux first. > > > > Is this possible? > > Yes - you'll just need to use winbind. It comes with the samba > package. There are howto's all over the web. If the above comment doesn't smell of a presentation I don't know what does! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 00:00:05 2004 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: Smell of a presentation? was Re: [TCLUG] Active Directory Authentication In-Reply-To: <200411042337.07326@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <62194.209.46.84.226.1099583063.squirrel@209.46.84.226> <200411042337.07326@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:37:06 -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > If the above comment doesn't smell of a presentation I don't know what does! Are you volunteering me? ;-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 4 23:53:05 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Discontinue Yellow Dog Mirror? Message-ID: <200411042353.09063@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 5 00:29:21 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redhat-mirror is "teh suck" when it comes to help Message-ID: <200411050029.22259@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> For months I have been getting the following error when attempting to mirror fedora core stuff: rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4092 bytes: phase "unknown" [generator]: Connection reset by peer (104) rsync error: received SIGUSR1 or SIGINT (code 20) at main.c(965) rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(909) Before FC, I was getting the same error for consumer redhat (7.3, 8.0, 9, etc). ftpadmin@redhat.com is about as helpful as a headache and treated me like a clueless smuck. Public comment! ftpadmin@redhat.com = big ass dork! :-P First solution was upgrade rsync. $ rsync --version rsync version 2.6.3 protocol version 28 I always run the latest stable version. Next was ACL(?) problem my side, but they could not explain how I can get some files, before the error. Next was QoS in our core router. Uhh, what QoS? Don't do any QoS for this segment in the core router. Next was vlan issue, it's not on a vlan issue. Next was load balancer problem their side (ah!) first intelligent response. Never head anything about it. Followed up, a couple weeks later, got rsync version speech. Groan. Sent the email from ftpadmin about LB problem. Silence. Followed up again. Silence. More or less gave up and did this: while (true); do ~/bin/rsync-fedora-redhat ; sleep 5m; done Eventually(!) I get everything but only days, if not weeks after the release onto the download master mirrors. Most of the helpful troubleshooting advise (http://rsync.samba.org/issues.html) is for the server side of the connection. So, I'm at a loss what to do next. Help? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Nov 5 09:14:11 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Copy hard drive... just how? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've got a laptop with a failing hard drive. I now have a replacement. Now I have to copy the data off. Here's my plan, and I'm hoping someone will say "Looks good to me" or "No no, you doofus, like this:" 1. Put new drive in the laptop to be fixed. Let's call that machine A. Boot knoppix from CD. (Why? Because it's pretty and I can noodle around while copying data.) 2. Put old drive in any old laptop, called B. Boot knoppix from CD. 3. Network the machines. 4. On A, run something like "rsh b 'cat /dev/hda' > /dev/hda". No, it can't be that easy, can it? Do I need to use dd (even though that just copies bytes)? Thanks, Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Nov 5 09:31:48 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Copy hard drive... just how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041105153148.GA6917@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 09:14:11AM -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > I've got a laptop with a failing hard drive. I now have a replacement. Now > I have to copy the data off. Here's my plan, and I'm hoping someone will > say "Looks good to me" or "No no, you doofus, like this:" [snip] No no, you doofus, use netcat, or install the ailing HDD in a desktop machine and use dd. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Nov 5 09:45:59 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: Smell of a presentation? was Re: [TCLUG] Active Directory Authentication In-Reply-To: <200411042337.07326@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <62194.209.46.84.226.1099583063.squirrel@209.46.84.226> <200411042337.07326@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <418BA037.2060007@tc-tech.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > If the above comment doesn't smell of a presentation I don't know what does! I agree, if someone did a presentation on authenticating linux on active directory, I'd be willing to spend a workday there! (and I'd do whatever it takes to convince my employer) -- Matt Murphy TC Tech _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 09:42:35 2004 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Copy hard drive... just how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <914f813c04110507425802c04@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:14:11 -0600 (CST), Chris Schumann wrote: > I've got a laptop with a failing hard drive. I now have a replacement. Now > I have to copy the data off. Here's my plan, and I'm hoping someone will > say "Looks good to me" or "No no, you doofus, like this:" > > 1. Put new drive in the laptop to be fixed. Let's call that machine A. > Boot knoppix from CD. (Why? Because it's pretty and I can noodle around > while copying data.) > > 2. Put old drive in any old laptop, called B. Boot knoppix from CD. > > 3. Network the machines. > > 4. On A, run something like "rsh b 'cat /dev/hda' > /dev/hda". No, it > can't be that easy, can it? Do I need to use dd (even though that just > copies bytes)? Yes, I would do it this way though: (on new drive) nc -l -p 1234 > dd of=/dev/hda (on old drive) dd if=/dev/hda > nc 1234 You can do this from most any knoppix dist. The only thing I would say is this will bring over the same partition table too, so if the new drive is smaller, you're not going to like the results, and if it's larger, you'll have to shuffle data and repartition. Alternatively, format the new drive and set up a partition scheme on it, then move over data from each partition individually (dd if=/dev/hda5....) instead. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Nov 5 09:45:34 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Copy hard drive... just how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041105094534.A10281@baker.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 09:14:11AM -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > I've got a laptop with a failing hard drive. I now have a replacement. Now > I have to copy the data off. Here's my plan, and I'm hoping someone will > say "Looks good to me" or "No no, you doofus, like this:" > > 1. Put new drive in the laptop to be fixed. Let's call that machine A. > Boot knoppix from CD. (Why? Because it's pretty and I can noodle around > while copying data.) > > 2. Put old drive in any old laptop, called B. Boot knoppix from CD. > > 3. Network the machines. > > 4. On A, run something like "rsh b 'cat /dev/hda' > /dev/hda". No, it > can't be that easy, can it? Do I need to use dd (even though that just > copies bytes)? Your plan sounds about right, except there are better ways to do the actual copying. Take a look at the "Ghetto Ghost" threads from long ago on this list: 1. http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-May/035331.html 2. http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-June/037143.html 3. http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-June/037381.html -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 10:39:46 2004 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:05 2005 Subject: Smell of a presentation? was Re: [TCLUG] Active Directory Authentication In-Reply-To: <418BA037.2060007@tc-tech.com> References: <62194.209.46.84.226.1099583063.squirrel@209.46.84.226> <200411042337.07326@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <418BA037.2060007@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: Well in theory I know how to get it to work. In pratice I've never needed to... ;-) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Fri Nov 5 10:50:27 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH9 - install crashes Message-ID: <001001c4c357$8fe3f970$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Nov 5 11:06:28 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH9 - install crashes In-Reply-To: <001001c4c357$8fe3f970$0201a8c0@office> References: <001001c4c357$8fe3f970$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <1099674388.418bb31421cae@my.visi.com> The drives are jumpered as Master and Slave and cabled as they should be? If you reverse the cables what happens? Sam. Quoting Randy Clarksean : > Ok ... I have just purchased an Iwill DP533-S dual Xeon Motherboard and 2 2.4 > GHz CPUs. Board has IDE and SCSI - only using IDE at the moment. > > I start into the install and everything seems fine. It pops into the gui > version of the installer. I go through the process of selecting the software > packages, etc. It then goes to format the hard drives. It gets past the > format of the first drive, then SEEMS to crash just as the format of the > second drive is completed. The message on the screen back in text mode just > indicates that the installation has terminated abnormally. > > hda - IDE0 master 80 GB maxtor > /boot and / are on this drive. > > hdb - IDE1 slave 120 GB drive > /swap and /home reside on this second drive. > > The install crashes back out when the format of /home seems to be completing. > > I have also tried to install XP on the system, but have gotten the blue > screen after the reboot and install starts up again. > > Suggestions? Thoughts? Thins to try? > > > Randy > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phawk42 at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 11:56:22 2004 From: phawk42 at gmail.com (Patrick Hawkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fsck, eth0 problems Message-ID: <68a256c041105095661c010a1@mail.gmail.com> I've *almost* finished getting Gentoo going on my laptop. I posted the following on the Gentoo forums, and have had no takers. I was wondering if anyone out in tclug-land could help me. I was happily emerging kde. When I checked back in on it, the laptop had frozen; I could not get to another screen via ALT-F2, -F3, etc., and I couldn't get anything up on the screen at all. Not the emerge, not a prompt, nothing. So after about ten minutes of waiting I powered down. On powering back up, the good news is is that my LCD isn't broken. The bad news is is that fsck and eth0 are both b0rked beyond belief. At boot time fsck throws a superblock error and asks for a manual fix. I don't know enough to do a manual fix. A probably relevant fact is that it tries to do fsck on /dev/BOOT and then it tells me to do the manual fix on /dev/ROOT ("R" rather than "B"). I am very unfamiliar with fsck, so I would appreciate being babied through this. When this happened it also broke eth0. It appears to boot up correctly, ifconfig eth0 appears more normal than usual, but upon opening a browser or pinging any site absolutely nothing happens. Not a thing. lsmod shows absolutely no modules, and I don't remember whether I put dhcp support into the kernel directly or via a module, but either way I have no idea how to check whether I did or didn't, or how to rectify the situation. my file system is /dev/hda1 = boot /dev/hda2 = storage /dev/hda3 = swap hda1 & hda2 are ext3. I would be eternally grateful to anyone who helps me. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Nov 5 12:09:01 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fsck, eth0 problems In-Reply-To: <68a256c041105095661c010a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <68a256c041105095661c010a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041105180901.GB10892@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 11:56:22AM -0600, Patrick Hawkins wrote: [snip] > When this happened it also broke eth0. It appears to boot up > correctly, ifconfig eth0 appears more normal than usual, but upon > opening a browser or pinging any site absolutely nothing happens. Not > a thing. Just a stab in the dark here, but could this be due to over-strict firewalling rules having been put into place? I've seen that happen before, although not with Gentoo. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 13:31:25 2004 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fsck, eth0 problems In-Reply-To: <68a256c041105095661c010a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <68a256c041105095661c010a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <914f813c041105113147d45750@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:56:22 -0600, Patrick Hawkins wrote: > I've *almost* finished getting Gentoo going on my laptop. I posted the > following on the Gentoo forums, and have had no takers. I was > wondering if anyone out in tclug-land could help me. > > I was happily emerging kde. When I checked back in on it, the laptop > had frozen; I could not get to another screen via ALT-F2, -F3, etc., > and I couldn't get anything up on the screen at all. Not the emerge, > not a prompt, nothing. So after about ten minutes of waiting I powered > down. > > On powering back up, the good news is is that my LCD isn't broken. The > bad news is is that fsck and eth0 are both b0rked beyond belief. At > boot time fsck throws a superblock error and asks for a manual fix. I > don't know enough to do a manual fix. A probably relevant fact is that > it tries to do fsck on /dev/BOOT and then it tells me to do the manual > fix on /dev/ROOT ("R" rather than "B"). I am very unfamiliar with > fsck, so I would appreciate being babied through this. You didn't modify /etc/fstab on your new system's image. Boot off your install disc, mount your partitions the same way you did in the beginning of the installation (you can go step by step, just don't repartition or format) i.e.: # mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/gentoo # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot # swapon /dev/hda3 # mount -t proc -o bind /proc /mnt/gentoo/proc # chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash # source /etc/profile # env-update Now: # nano -w /etc/fstab -> Modify /dev/BOOT to read /dev/hda1, etc. etc. etc. Next, just double check your grub conf is right: # nano -w /boot/grub/grub.conf > When this happened it also broke eth0. It appears to boot up > correctly, ifconfig eth0 appears more normal than usual, but upon > opening a browser or pinging any site absolutely nothing happens. Not > a thing. lsmod shows absolutely no modules, and I don't remember > whether I put dhcp support into the kernel directly or via a module, > but either way I have no idea how to check whether I did or didn't, or > how to rectify the situation. (dhcp is in your net config, not a kernel module, fyi) check your net conf for your proper network configuration. # nano -w /etc/conf.d/net then add nameservers to resolve.conf (I've seen it where with DHCP, if resolv.conf doesn't already exist, gentoo won't create & populate it for some reason. This was with random revisions quite awhile ago though. # nano -w /etc/resolv.conf -> add "nameserver 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.8" Now, please (for your sake) review the install documentation from the beginning, make sure you did each step, and when you get to the end where it says you have a bootable system (after you've installed a cron daemon, syslog, and whatever the other service you install there) reboot and make sure it comes up properly. *THEN* start installing stuff like KDE (good news here: anything that was already installed will be there (dependencies and such) so you haven't wasted too much time. > my file system is > > /dev/hda1 = boot > /dev/hda2 = storage > /dev/hda3 = swap > > hda1 & hda2 are ext3. > > I would be eternally grateful to anyone who helps me. np _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Fri Nov 5 15:43:51 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH9 - install crashes References: <001001c4c357$8fe3f970$0201a8c0@office> <1099674388.418bb31421cae@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <004a01c4c380$8d0239a0$0201a8c0@office> Yes ... jumpered and identified by BIOS correctly. Trying to reverse the cable leads to an error ... where only one drive is found and the other does not appear in BIOS. The format completes ... sounds like the CDROM starts to spin up ... then it crashes. No messages, nothing ... other than it goes to shutdown and tells me that the boot process ended abnormally. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Randy Clarksean" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RH9 - install crashes > The drives are jumpered as Master and Slave and cabled as they should be? > > If you reverse the cables what happens? > > Sam. > > > Quoting Randy Clarksean : > > > Ok ... I have just purchased an Iwill DP533-S dual Xeon Motherboard and 2 2.4 > > GHz CPUs. Board has IDE and SCSI - only using IDE at the moment. > > > > I start into the install and everything seems fine. It pops into the gui > > version of the installer. I go through the process of selecting the software > > packages, etc. It then goes to format the hard drives. It gets past the > > format of the first drive, then SEEMS to crash just as the format of the > > second drive is completed. The message on the screen back in text mode just > > indicates that the installation has terminated abnormally. > > > > hda - IDE0 master 80 GB maxtor > > /boot and / are on this drive. > > > > hdb - IDE1 slave 120 GB drive > > /swap and /home reside on this second drive. > > > > The install crashes back out when the format of /home seems to be completing. > > > > I have also tried to install XP on the system, but have gotten the blue > > screen after the reboot and install starts up again. > > > > Suggestions? Thoughts? Thins to try? > > > > > > Randy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Fri Nov 5 15:48:07 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem question In-Reply-To: <20041104230821.A14328@thinkunix.net> References: <418B04AB.3010609@cascopoint.com> <20041104230821.A14328@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <418BF517.20309@cascopoint.com> Scot Jenkins wrote: >Anton Yurchenko wrote: > > >>To those that still remember modems :) I got a 33.6 USR sportster of an >>ebay, trying to set it up for dialup. In minicom none of the commands I >>type in show on the screen. But if you do like ATDT it >>dials. So looks like it is alive but just does not echo to terminal. I >>tried ATE1 command did not help. >>Maybe somebody has some ideas on what it could be. >> >> > >Is minicom's local echo off? try CTRL+A E to toggle it. > > > yep it is off, otherwise it`d just repeat stuff on the screen >Have you tried the factory reset commands? > >AT&F >ATZ > >then powercycle it > > yep this did not help eather. never seen a modem die like this. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sat Nov 6 08:56:39 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem question In-Reply-To: <418BF517.20309@cascopoint.com> References: <418B04AB.3010609@cascopoint.com> <20041104230821.A14328@thinkunix.net> <418BF517.20309@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <418CE627.3090002@eworld3.net> Can you copy/paste the session into your reply to this email so we can see exactly what you are seeing? Anton Yurchenko wrote: > Scot Jenkins wrote: > >> Anton Yurchenko wrote: >> >> >>> To those that still remember modems :) I got a 33.6 USR sportster of >>> an ebay, trying to set it up for dialup. In minicom none of the >>> commands I type in show on the screen. But if you do like ATDT>> number> it dials. So looks like it is alive but just does not echo to >>> terminal. I tried ATE1 command did not help. >>> Maybe somebody has some ideas on what it could be. >>> >> >> >> Is minicom's local echo off? try CTRL+A E to toggle it. >> >> >> > yep it is off, otherwise it`d just repeat stuff on the screen > >> Have you tried the factory reset commands? >> >> AT&F >> ATZ >> >> then powercycle it >> >> > yep this did not help eather. never seen a modem die like this. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at turbobit.com Sat Nov 6 08:38:50 2004 From: lists at turbobit.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem question In-Reply-To: <418B04AB.3010609@cascopoint.com> References: <418B04AB.3010609@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <20041106143850.GA27830@dad1> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 10:42:19PM -0600, Anton Yurchenko wrote: > > Hi, > > To those that still remember modems :) I got a 33.6 USR sportster of an > ebay, trying to set it up for dialup. In minicom none of the commands I > type in show on the screen. But if you do like ATDT it > dials. So looks like it is alive but just does not echo to terminal. I > tried ATE1 command did not help. > Maybe somebody has some ideas on what it could be. > Try turning modem power off/on after minicom is up. Then try a ATZ, and maybe a ATE1. Or ATZ0,ATZ1,.. Look over some doc on the command set: http://www.usr.com/support/839/83909-ug/six.html Make sure no other app has the same serial port open. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rosander at owbn.org Sat Nov 6 17:07:57 2004 From: rosander at owbn.org (Rosander) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email Server In-Reply-To: <200411031005.54974.tom@1337consulting.net> References: <20041101214530.6EB55B707@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> <200411031005.54974.tom@1337consulting.net> Message-ID: <418D594D.2020403@owbn.org> I've had a wonderful experience with the following combination postfix, web-cryadm, cryus-imap, maia (maia uses amavisd-new in combination with spam-assassin & mysql tables), razor, dcc. I auto assume that users will use rbl and The real powerful implimentation is the maia software. http://www.renaissoft.com/maia/ One of my largest mail servers processes over 20,000 messages per day, 72 virtual domains, and 14 relayed (for filter purposes) domains. Statistically we're holding 99.78% accuracy of spam being cought. Users may have individual control or a admin may set up per domain control. It is very powerful. The inital setup isn't terrible and I'm happy to point anyone in the right direction. The biggest things to keep in mind when trying to fight spam/viruses is that no one product or setup will catch it all. One must assemble a comprehensive system and maintain all facets. Ross Anderson Tom Hudak wrote: >Hi Nathan, > >Check this out: >http://www.tnpi.biz/internet/mail/toaster/index.shtml > >Easy to install by following the step-by-step walk-throughs, and will provide >a mail server for virtual-domains, a management front-end, webmail, >anti-virus (optional) and spam filtering.. > >It's free and doesn't need much to run on - a PIII 600 and a 20 Gb hdd would >be fine (maybe 2 hdd's mirrored..) > >Runs on FreeBSD4/5.x, Java, Perl, qmail, vpopmail, postgres|mysql > >Thanks, >Tom >On Monday 01 November 2004 15:45, nam797@excite.com wrote: > > >>I have just been put in charge of building and managing a emailserver for >>work. We need to be able to filter out spam,junk email and porn. It needs >>to be easy to configure and easy to add mods to. Does anyone know of a good >>book or website that might be able to help me or just steer me in the right >>direction for this project. >> >> >> >>Thanks, >> >> >> >>Nathan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com >>The most personalized portal on the Web! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >>Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Sat Nov 6 17:19:18 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tivo's For Sale Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD0154933D@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> I have THREE 140hr Tivos for sale. Brand new in box, subscription costs only 13 dollars p/month. If you're interested e-mail me @ canito@dalan.us. I will let em go for $160 cash! Retail and on the WWWW sell for $299 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Sat Nov 6 19:11:39 2004 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry W) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Sarge Install Message-ID: <418D764A.7020803@comcast.net> Hello, Attempting to install Debian Sarge via Netinstall CD. The screen where it has [ ] with a red rectangle, for instance I want to choose is "Desktop Environment". What keystroke or keystrokes does one use to make that selection? Not as simple as Enter I guess. TIA, Jerry _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sat Nov 6 23:21:00 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TCZPUG Meeting Wednesday Message-ID: <200411062321.00297.jack@jacku.com> This is off-topic but I know there are many Python programmers on this list and the old TCZPUG list got pulled down before I could get the subscriber list. (I'm working on it though.) The Twin Cities Zope/Python User Group will be holding a meeting this Wednesday, November 10 from 6-8 PM at Dunwoody College of Technology. Please see http://tczpug.org/meeting for more information. Thank you. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Sat Nov 6 23:18:08 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Sarge Install In-Reply-To: <418D764A.7020803@comcast.net> References: <418D764A.7020803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <418DB010.9070202@comcast.net> Have you tried the MEPIS install? It's Debian with a great installer (it's a "live" CD with an "install to hard drive option). I've tried it on two different HP laptops and it worked perfect on each one. All I had to do was install the DVD CSS lib to play commercial DVDs. Once it's installed to hard drive, you can use the GUI package updater or command line, whichever you prefer. Use version 2004.04 Jerry W wrote: > Hello, > > Attempting to install Debian Sarge via Netinstall CD. > The screen where it has [ ] with a red rectangle, for instance I want > to choose is "Desktop Environment". > What keystroke or keystrokes does one use to make that selection? Not as > simple as Enter I guess. > > TIA, > > Jerry -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kc0iog at gmail.com Sat Nov 6 23:33:08 2004 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] computer donations In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530411040849c332dbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da0411032017ddc07f6@mail.gmail.com> <000301c4c269$96813020$24fea8c0@selfp6xu3g1ng9> <9d6c82530411040849c332dbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c6699da04110621335b28a28a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:49:52 -0600, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > Is there a possible machine available for a church donation? If this donation thing goes through, yes. > Faith Lutheran in Apple Valley could use one machine and monitor. > Would you need a receipt? I don't think so. I have some work to do on getting this whole thing approved, and then I have to find out what I can and cannot do. Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread. I'm glad to see there's still some non-prof places taking PC donations, as a lot of them have closed. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Sun Nov 7 00:31:51 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Sarge Install In-Reply-To: <418DB010.9070202@comcast.net> References: <418D764A.7020803@comcast.net> <418DB010.9070202@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9d6c82530411062231506e2910@mail.gmail.com> The installer that you are using is really good. To select you should be using either 'enter' or 'spacebar'. If that doesn't work, you will be just fine installing just the base system and then use aptitude to use '+' to install the same thing at a later time. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Sun Nov 7 07:39:01 2004 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry W) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Sarge Install In-Reply-To: <9d6c82530411062231506e2910@mail.gmail.com> References: <418D764A.7020803@comcast.net> <418DB010.9070202@comcast.net> <9d6c82530411062231506e2910@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <418E2575.5060900@comcast.net> Jeff Rasmussen wrote: >The installer that you are using is really good. To select you should >be using either 'enter' or 'spacebar'. If that doesn't work, you will >be just fine installing just the base system and then use aptitude to >use '+' to install the same thing at a later time. > > > Thanks Jeff, Guess I missed that in all the Debian "how to" pages I read. Thanks for the "spacebar" info. Jerry W _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Nov 7 07:59:49 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Sarge Install In-Reply-To: <418D764A.7020803@comcast.net> References: <418D764A.7020803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <418E2A55.907@visi.com> The "Tab" key moves between selections. The "Space" bar Selects The "Enter" key runs the command the selection is associated with. Sam Jerry W wrote: > Hello, > > Attempting to install Debian Sarge via Netinstall CD. > The screen where it has [ ] with a red rectangle, for instance I want > to choose is "Desktop Environment". > What keystroke or keystrokes does one use to make that selection? Not > as simple as Enter I guess. > > TIA, > > Jerry > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Sun Nov 7 09:00:57 2004 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (gsker@tcfreenet.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mirroring only latest rpms Message-ID: Can anyone point me to a script/program that will get only the latest version of a yum repository package but will get all of the ones I don't have? Or is there some yum command that will do it? (I'm not married to yum, though) Like the current mirrors might have strace-4.5.4-1.i386.rpm strace-4.5.5-1.i386.rpm subversion-1.0.2-2.1.i386.rpm subversion-1.0.4-1.i386.rpm subversion-1.0.4-2.i386.rpm subversion-1.0.6-1.i386.rpm subversion-1.0.8-1.i386.rpm But all I want to get is: strace-4.5.5-1.i386.rpm subversion-1.0.8-1.i386.rpm I'd like to mirror but not several versions of fedora each core 2 updated package. yum or up2date will both download only the newest stuff, but I don't want to do that for a fresh mirror build. I want to just download the latest stuff into one directory. I couldn't get yum to do what I want and google wasn't much help. If I can't find what I want, I'll pull apart the yum source and figure out how to get it to give me a list of files. Any other suggestions? -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sun Nov 7 09:28:57 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] looking for a KVM switch Message-ID: <20041107092857.00003ab9@schubert> Anyone have a KVM switch for 8 or more connections they'd be willing to get rid of or sell? Thx, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Sun Nov 7 09:58:19 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: TiVOs for sale Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD01549341@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> I have posted the TiVO's on the classifieds page. If you're a hardcore TiVo fan check it out. Links and picture link broken! Is this a problem with server? Anywho, thank you very much! contact me@ aladavs@dunwoody.edu http://www.tclug.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi?mode=view&viewcategory=Computer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Nov 7 09:51:32 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411071551.iA7FpWb05082@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Hey are you a TiVo fan? These are the TiVos I have for sale @ $160. They are not (hot). They are the series2 140 hour moodel. Another link you can reference is http://www.tivo.com/2.1.1.asp They are BRAND NEW and sealed in their box. If interested contact me @ aladavs@dunwoody.edu. I accept cash only. Seller Email address: aladavs at dunwoody dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Sun Nov 7 11:22:48 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tivo's For Sale In-Reply-To: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD0154933D@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> References: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD0154933D@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> Message-ID: I'm interested in one if it's still available. On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 aladavs@dunwoody.edu wrote: > I have THREE 140hr Tivos for sale. Brand new in box, subscription costs only 13 dollars p/month. If you're interested e-mail me @ canito@dalan.us. > > I will let em go for $160 cash! > Retail and on the WWWW sell for $299 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Nov 7 15:19:58 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411072119.iA7LJwJ10252@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 1u rackmount I am selling my last rackmount unit. 1U Chassis Dual P3 866 512 MB Ram 2 9.1 GB SCSI HD System is in good condition and everything works great. $250.00 or best offer Seller Email address: james_masters at comcast dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Nov 8 09:09:55 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tivo's For Sale Message-ID: Yes, I'm interested in one, if they're not all gone yet. Bruce >>> aladavs@dunwoody.edu 11/06/04 05:19PM >>> I have THREE 140hr Tivos for sale. Brand new in box, subscription costs only 13 dollars p/month. If you're interested e-mail me @ canito@dalan.us. I will let em go for $160 cash! Retail and on the WWWW sell for $299 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Nov 8 10:42:07 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Drive copying done.. eventually Message-ID: It turns out that Knoppix 3.6 does not have a driver for the built-in NIC in the ThinkPad X21. What a pain. I used an older laptop with a LinkSys wired NIC to copy the hard drive using netcat onto another computer and (ahem) netcat for windows. That went really well. 20GB copied in about 90 minutes. I then put that NIC into the X21 and started Knoppix. Everything seemed just fine. Started netcat and away it went, but about 7 TIMES SLOWER. So, I killed netcat and used dd with a shared folder over samba. That took just over two hours, instead of the 11 or so netcat would have taken. The network wasn't running at 10mbps, or samba would have been slow too. It's not that the drive was set to PIO or some low data transfer rate, or again the dd would have been slow. Any ideas on why nc was so slow when piping through dd when dd using a samba source would be fast? Thanks, Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Nov 8 11:40:10 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fedora Core 3 has been released. Please be nice and start your BitTorrent client so we can all get our copies quickly... http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/heidelberg-binary-i386.torrent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 13:16:25 2004 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Drive copying done.. eventually In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <914f813c041108111671fb65c2@mail.gmail.com> You can use the bs=2k option to dd to tell it to read in 2k of data then send it, rather than constant read/send/read/send (I think by default is does 512b but I'm not sure.) That might have sped things up. On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:42:07 -0600 (CST), Chris Schumann wrote: > It turns out that Knoppix 3.6 does not have a driver for the built-in NIC > in the ThinkPad X21. What a pain. I used an older laptop with a LinkSys > wired NIC to copy the hard drive using netcat onto another computer and > (ahem) netcat for windows. That went really well. 20GB copied in about 90 > minutes. > > I then put that NIC into the X21 and started Knoppix. Everything seemed > just fine. Started netcat and away it went, but about 7 TIMES SLOWER. So, > I killed netcat and used dd with a shared folder over samba. That took > just over two hours, instead of the 11 or so netcat would have taken. > > The network wasn't running at 10mbps, or samba would have been slow too. > It's not that the drive was set to PIO or some low data transfer rate, or > again the dd would have been slow. Any ideas on why nc was so slow when > piping through dd when dd using a samba source would be fast? > > Thanks, > Chris Schumann > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- John T. Hoffoss _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fholson at cohousing.org Mon Nov 8 15:28:16 2004 From: fholson at cohousing.org (Fred H Olson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Fedora Core 3 Message-ID: Any suggestions for getting a copy of a set fc3 cds? I dont have a fast enough connection, tho I did look up Bittorrent to see what that was... BTW one fellow on the fc3 list posted the caution below. (I'm still pondering the significance of SELinux too) Fred Everyone upgrading to or freshly installing Fedora Core 3: please read the release notes very carefully! SELinux is now active and there is a change to udev which can cause severe problems. Do yourself and the list a favour an read :) http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/RELEASE-NOTES-en.html http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc3/ -- Fred H. Olson Minneapolis,MN 55411 USA (near north Mpls) Communications for Justice - My new listserv org. UU, Linux My Link Page: http://fholson.cohousing.org Ham radio:WB0YQM fholson at cohousing.org 612-588-9532 (7am-10pm Central time) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fholson at cohousing.org Mon Nov 8 16:03:55 2004 From: fholson at cohousing.org (Fred H Olson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Fedora Core 3 Message-ID: Any suggestions for getting a copy of a set fc3 cds? I dont have a fast enough connection, tho I did look up BitTorrent to see what that was... BTW one fellow on the fc3 list posted the caution about fc3 below. (I'm still pondering the significance of SELinux too) Fred Everyone upgrading to or freshly installing Fedora Core 3: please read the release notes very carefully! SELinux is now active and there is a change to udev which can cause severe problems. Do yourself and the list a favour an read :) http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/RELEASE-NOTES-en.html http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc3/ http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev/ [ running an NVidia graphics card with NVidia closed source drivers see the hint at the bottom ] -- Fred H. Olson Minneapolis,MN 55411 USA (near north Mpls) Communications for Justice - My new listserv org. UU, Linux My Link Page: http://fholson.cohousing.org Ham radio:WB0YQM fholson at cohousing.org 612-588-9532 (7am-10pm Central time) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 17:57:52 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web based email system recommendations Message-ID: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> I have about 20 folks who'd like email addresses for their domain and a web based email client interface is all they really want. any recommendations? It'll run on an old dell 4200 server which has dual P2, hw RAID w 5 scsi drives 512 RAM. I have fedora up and running and am poised for installing and configuring an email system. I'm hoping this will be enough power ... volume will be low, bu I don't know exact numbers... thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Nov 8 18:13:33 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web based email system recommendations In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I use Horde and IMP. Horde is a nice PHP framework, and IMP is a mail client for it. There are many other modules - address book, Email filter, kalendar, task manager, any many many more. Check out http://www.horde.org/ for details. On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, John Meier wrote: > I have about 20 folks who'd like email addresses for their domain and > a web based email client interface is all they really want. > > any recommendations? > > It'll run on an old dell 4200 server which has dual P2, hw RAID w 5 > scsi drives 512 RAM. I have fedora up and running and am poised for > installing and configuring an email system. I'm hoping this will be > enough power ... > > volume will be low, bu I don't know exact numbers... > > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Mon Nov 8 20:11:14 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web based email system recommendations In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, John Meier wrote: > I have about 20 folks who'd like email addresses for their domain and > a web based email client interface is all they really want. I've been really happy with openwebmail (www.openwebmail.org). It's perl based, so no PHP and other requirement nightmares. It handled virtual domains very well, was fast and robust, and handled 1000's of users no problem. YMMV. We ran stock sendmail and qpopper. Install was a breeze (cd /usr/ports/.../; make install - but Linux probably has some pointy-clicky thing... ) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Mon Nov 8 20:21:36 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (jimstreit@northlans.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web based email system recommendations In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099966896.419029b0caa0e@webmail.northlans.com> I run qmail and horde/IMP on a RedHat box. Works great. Your hardware should be just fine for 20 users, even if they are very active. What type of connection are you planning on using? Quoting John Meier : > I have about 20 folks who'd like email addresses for their domain and > a web based email client interface is all they really want. > > any recommendations? > > It'll run on an old dell 4200 server which has dual P2, hw RAID w 5 > scsi drives 512 RAM. I have fedora up and running and am poised for > installing and configuring an email system. I'm hoping this will be > enough power ... > > volume will be low, bu I don't know exact numbers... > > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using mail services provided by NorthLANs Alliance. --------------------------- www.northlans.com --------------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim at herrick.net Mon Nov 8 21:31:36 2004 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web based email system recommendations In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1687.12.214.196.210.1099971096.squirrel@12.214.196.210> Squirrelmail is *included* with Fedora. Very nice, quick, extensible. I use apt, so it's: apt-get install squirrelmail Good luck! Jim > I have about 20 folks who'd like email addresses for their domain and > a web based email client interface is all they really want. > > any recommendations? > > It'll run on an old dell 4200 server which has dual P2, hw RAID w 5 > scsi drives 512 RAM. I have fedora up and running and am poised for > installing and configuring an email system. I'm hoping this will be > enough power ... > > volume will be low, bu I don't know exact numbers... > > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 21:51:05 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web based email system recommendations In-Reply-To: <1099966896.419029b0caa0e@webmail.northlans.com> References: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> <1099966896.419029b0caa0e@webmail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc0411081951572d1374@mail.gmail.com> the connection is a T1 - It'll be in a "real" data center.... with a backup server too! Yippie! On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:21:36 -0600, jimstreit@northlans.com wrote: > I run qmail and horde/IMP on a RedHat box. Works great. > Your hardware should be just fine for 20 users, even if they are very active. > What type of connection are you planning on using? > > > > Quoting John Meier : > > > I have about 20 folks who'd like email addresses for their domain and > > a web based email client interface is all they really want. > > > > any recommendations? > > > > It'll run on an old dell 4200 server which has dual P2, hw RAID w 5 > > scsi drives 512 RAM. I have fedora up and running and am poised for > > installing and configuring an email system. I'm hoping this will be > > enough power ... > > > > volume will be low, bu I don't know exact numbers... > > > > thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using mail services provided by NorthLANs Alliance. > --------------------------- www.northlans.com --------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Nov 9 05:42:18 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web based email system recommendations In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100000537.17238.2.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 09:40:04 2004 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: November 6th talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <914f813c0411090740156276e8@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:57:02 -0600 (CST), elhaddi@constantdata.com wrote: > > Just verifying that I am still scheduled to give a talk > this coming Saturday at 2pm. > > Thank you. > > --elhaddi > www.constantdata.com > -------------------------------------------------------- > DAG, IA, DE, SWE, MIEEE, Member IEEE Computer Society. > 410 Eleventh Ave. So. elhaddi@constantdata.com > Hopkins, MN 55343, USA (Mobile: 952-212-6977) > (Fax 952-933-2551) (Tel: 952-933-2331 X 13) > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Content distribution for disaster avoidance and tolerance I'm sorry I missed your talk; I saw the article on constantdata in the Star Tribune yesterday (http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5071604.html) and found that interesting. Cool for you guys that you're getting press, for sure! 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Tue Nov 9 09:38:31 2004 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Gregory Siems) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mirroring only latest rpms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100014710.2626.11.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> Have you looked at using rvc (RPM version compare) as a starting point? source can be found at: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/RedHat-CD-HOWTO/rhcd-scripts/rpmvc/rvc.c http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/RedHat-CD-HOWTO/rhcd-scripts/rpmvc/rvc.h --g On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 09:00, gsker@tcfreenet.org wrote: > Can anyone point me to a script/program that will get only the latest version > of a yum repository package but will get all of the ones I don't have? Or is > there some yum command that will do it? (I'm not married to yum, though) > > Like the current mirrors might have > strace-4.5.4-1.i386.rpm > strace-4.5.5-1.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.2-2.1.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.4-1.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.4-2.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.6-1.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.8-1.i386.rpm > > But all I want to get is: > strace-4.5.5-1.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.8-1.i386.rpm > > I'd like to mirror but not several versions of fedora each core 2 updated > package. yum or up2date will both download only the newest stuff, but I don't > want to do that for a fresh mirror build. I want to just download the latest > stuff into one directory. I couldn't get yum to do what I want and google > wasn't much help. > > If I can't find what I want, I'll pull apart the yum source and figure out how > to get it to give me a list of files. > > Any other suggestions? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue Nov 9 09:38:51 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web based email system recommendations In-Reply-To: <1100000537.17238.2.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <65293fcc04110815573805d2f8@mail.gmail.com> <1100000537.17238.2.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <4190E48B.5020706@veldy.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Nov 9 10:17:48 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mirroring only latest rpms Message-ID: Search for LagMirror -- you might be able to do something with it, or with parts fo it. *shrug* >>> Gregory.Siems@state.mn.us 11/09/04 09:38AM >>> Have you looked at using rvc (RPM version compare) as a starting point? source can be found at: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/RedHat-CD-HOWTO/rhcd-scripts/rpmvc/rvc.c http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/RedHat-CD-HOWTO/rhcd-scripts/rpmvc/rvc.h --g On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 09:00, gsker@tcfreenet.org wrote: > Can anyone point me to a script/program that will get only the latest version > of a yum repository package but will get all of the ones I don't have? Or is > there some yum command that will do it? (I'm not married to yum, though) > > Like the current mirrors might have > strace-4.5.4-1.i386.rpm > strace-4.5.5-1.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.2-2.1.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.4-1.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.4-2.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.6-1.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.8-1.i386.rpm > > But all I want to get is: > strace-4.5.5-1.i386.rpm > subversion-1.0.8-1.i386.rpm > > I'd like to mirror but not several versions of fedora each core 2 updated > package. yum or up2date will both download only the newest stuff, but I don't > want to do that for a fresh mirror build. I want to just download the latest > stuff into one directory. I couldn't get yum to do what I want and google > wasn't much help. > > If I can't find what I want, I'll pull apart the yum source and figure out how > to get it to give me a list of files. > > Any other suggestions? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From elhaddi at constantdata.com Tue Nov 9 10:05:09 2004 From: elhaddi at constantdata.com (elhaddi@constantdata.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: November 6th talk In-Reply-To: <914f813c0411090740156276e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you and thanks for everyone who attended and for the support we got from both the members of the Linux and Unix communities. I am still trying to locate Eric Stanley who won two copies of Constant Replicator software. ping eric ... Eric if you see this, please read your home email. The article was nice even if it had some inaccuracies such as my age! I am only 18 not 46 as they claimed :-). The photographer had us remove the big Penguin sign because it was not showing the graffiti well. So scribbled Linux,Linux,Linux instead. --elhaddi Constant Data, Inc. On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > I'm sorry I missed your talk; I saw the article on constantdata in the > Star Tribune yesterday > (http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5071604.html) and found that > interesting. Cool for you guys that you're getting press, for sure! > > John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 11:54:32 2004 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redhat-mirror is "teh suck" when it comes to help In-Reply-To: <200411050029.22259@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200411050029.22259@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:29:21 -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > For months I have been getting the following error when attempting to mirror > fedora core stuff: > > rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4092 bytes: phase > "unknown" [generator]: Connection reset by peer (104) > rsync error: received SIGUSR1 or SIGINT (code 20) at main.c(965) > rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(909) > > Before FC, I was getting the same error for consumer redhat (7.3, 8.0, 9, > etc). > > ftpadmin@redhat.com is about as helpful as a headache and treated me like a > clueless smuck. Public comment! ftpadmin@redhat.com = big ass dork! :-P > > First solution was upgrade rsync. > > $ rsync --version > rsync version 2.6.3 protocol version 28 > > I always run the latest stable version. > > Next was ACL(?) problem my side, but they could not explain how I can get some > files, before the error. > > Next was QoS in our core router. Uhh, what QoS? Don't do any QoS for this > segment in the core router. > > Next was vlan issue, it's not on a vlan issue. > > Next was load balancer problem their side (ah!) first intelligent response. > > Never head anything about it. > > Followed up, a couple weeks later, got rsync version speech. Groan. > > Sent the email from ftpadmin about LB problem. Silence. > > Followed up again. Silence. > > More or less gave up and did this: > > while (true); do ~/bin/rsync-fedora-redhat ; sleep 5m; done > > Eventually(!) I get everything but only days, if not weeks after the release > onto the download master mirrors. > > Most of the helpful troubleshooting advise > (http://rsync.samba.org/issues.html) is for the server side of the > connection. So, I'm at a loss what to do next. > > Help? > Just for the hell of it, have you tried using rsync from source or debian or some other place? Something we do for mirroring debian is split it into a few jobs, that might help some if they have a bad LB in the middle. I also remember seeing this issue before when I had a bad (=cheap) network card on the server end. It had trouble with most anything that pushed high bandwith. I assume you would have a good nic on your end, but if you run out of things to do while idle() you could double check it I guess. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Nov 4 16:06:03 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting Message-ID: <20041104220603.GF28607@clavin> Sorry for the late posting. There are some room conflicts at the UofM so we can't use our normal room. I am working on getting an alternate room booked and will send out another announcement when I have it confirmed. Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday November 6th, noon-2pm Topic: Real-time data replication for Linux. Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room TBD Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Nov 5 13:32:50 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20041104220603.GF28607@clavin> References: <20041104220603.GF28607@clavin> Message-ID: <20041105193250.GD8129@clavin> OK, we'll be in room EE/CSCI 3-125 for tomorrow's meeting. I also added some background information about the speaker and his company... Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday November 6th, noon-2pm Topic: Real-time data replication for Linux, presented by El Haddi from Constant Data. At the end of his talk, he will be having a drawing to give two copies of Constant Replicator for Linux. Real time data replication for and from Linux Or Migrating one customer two servers at a time! Abstract Constant Data (CDI)designs and develops real-time data replication products. I will focus on CDI's Constant Replicator(CR) product. It allows users to mirror data changes between servers(in real-time) as the changes occur. This talk will cover the design and several use cases of CR: (a) Using Linux Constant replicator for disaster avoidance (b) real-time content distribution (Telecoms for example) (c) backup consolidation (many windows or Linux servers to a remote Linux server). (d) data migration from other OSs to Linux The talk will also include some stories about how we started with Linux and then found out that many customers use multiple OSs for daily activities. Today Constant Replicator is cross platform and runs on existing servers. I will discuss how some customers reduced Total Cost of Ownership(TCO) by replacing their windows file servers with Linux based file servers. A free demo of CR is available from www.constantdata.com/products/download.php About A. A. El Haddi Installed the first Linux server at the Weather Service in march 1994. Has some hair, loves to write code in C, perl and once in a while in Java Holds MS in computer science and a Docteur Ingenieur in soil physics 20 years experience in Unix System admin and in software development (U of M, NOAA, Reuters/Bridge, Tricord)D Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE/CSCI 3-125 Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tex at nerp.net Sun Nov 7 10:53:59 2004 From: tex at nerp.net (tex@nerp.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting this THURSDAY Message-ID: <59078.65.27.99.20.1099846439.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> Hello Everyone, Have a great week and hope to see you there! http://beer.tclug.org Thank you! Deborah Dotson I listen: tex@nerp.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lclemens at mn.rr.com Tue Nov 9 20:12:58 2004 From: lclemens at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] computer donations References: <2c6699da0411032017ddc07f6@mail.gmail.com> <000301c4c269$96813020$24fea8c0@selfp6xu3g1ng9> <9d6c82530411040849c332dbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005901c4c6ca$ccc43280$24fea8c0@selfp6xu3g1ng9> Hi Jeff We only give to at-risk families and children, and I am submerged. .... sorry! Larry Clemens ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Rasmussen" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] computer donations > Is there a possible machine available for a church donation? > > Faith Lutheran in Apple Valley could use one machine and monitor. > Would you need a receipt? > > -- > Jeff Rasmussen > GPG public key 0x9686C12F > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rotbau at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 10:26:43 2004 From: rotbau at gmail.com (rotbau) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware smp support / kernel rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, I just recently installed a slackware 10 box. The setup is definitely a bit different from suse and redhat/fedora. I have managed to get both my cpqarray controller and aic7xxx modules to load at boot and everything is running fine, except the kernel only sees 1 cpu. It appears that I need to rebuild the kernel to add smp support. I have never touched the kernel so I am a bit out of my comfort zone on this. I have googled and got some good basic pointers but I still have some questions. It sounds like by editing the options in menuconfig I will be able to activate the required raid, scsi and smp options. If I copy the current kernel.config over to the new kernel directory it sounds like menuconfig will use that as the base choices and then I can add the other required modules - is that correct? Also, does this method add the modules statically compiled into the kernel? I assume with smp it needs to be statically compiled as does the cpqarray raid controller since that is what the os boots from - correct? Currently the aic7xxx is just loaded as a kernel module because it only controls the CD and tape drive. Any other tips/land mines I should research before diving in? Thanks. regards, rotbau _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fholson at cohousing.org Wed Nov 10 15:20:43 2004 From: fholson at cohousing.org (Fred H Olson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium Message-ID: The controversy continues about the recent election (See, for example, "Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked" http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm ) and there is an open source angle / possible remedy: The Open Voting Consortium (OVC) is a non-profit organization dedicated to the development, maintenance, and delivery of open voting systems for use in public elections. http://openvotingconsortium.org/ PS sorry about posting twice about Fedora Core 3 the other day, I erroneously concluded that old address for the list that I sent to first was not working. Fred -- Fred H. Olson Minneapolis,MN 55411 USA (near north Mpls) Communications for Justice - My new listserv org. UU, Linux My Link Page: http://fholson.cohousing.org Ham radio:WB0YQM fholson at cohousing.org 612-588-9532 (7am-10pm Central time) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rotbau at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 15:52:04 2004 From: rotbau at gmail.com (rotbau) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel update - another question Message-ID: I have another question regarding upgrading a kernel. I have a slack 10 box currently running 2.4.26 which is the default kernel with 10. In the slack-current there is a 2.4.27. My question is if I have to recompile the kernel to add smp support should I use the 2.4.27 kernel or stay with the 2.4.26? I am concerned that if I try and run the 2.4.27 on the system w/out updating other libraries and modules I will run into dependency issues. Anyone have any insight for me on this? Thanks. regards, rotbau _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Nov 10 15:58:18 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411102158.iAALwIs18849@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 333 Compaq for sale I have a 333mhz compaq for sale. 333 Pentium or Pentium 2 (I can't remembner which) 4gb scsi hdd 2 cd-rom's any where from 128mb to 192mb for ram I don't think that i have a OS on it. I am asking $35.00 Seller Email address: blacknight_709 at hotmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 16:10:04 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d6c825304111014103499e5c1@mail.gmail.com> The article is saying that the main computer calculating the election results is running an OS from Microsoft?! Is it patched? Is it connected to a network? Do they use a program like tripwire to determine if files have been tampered with? That central tabulator computer is a Windows-based PC. I don't expect this type of information to directly challenge Bush's re-election but we shouldn't have the ability to reasonably question the method of counting votes, period. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Wed Nov 10 19:07:40 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel update - another question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041111010740.GA20454@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 03:52:04PM -0600, rotbau wrote: > I have another question regarding upgrading a kernel. I have a slack > 10 box currently running 2.4.26 which is the default kernel with 10. > In the slack-current there is a 2.4.27. > > My question is if I have to recompile the kernel to add smp support > should I use the 2.4.27 kernel or stay with the 2.4.26? I am > concerned that if I try and run the 2.4.27 on the system w/out > updating other libraries and modules I will run into dependency > issues. Anyone have any insight for me on this? Thanks. > > regards, > rotbau > I wouldn't expect you to have any issues going from kernel 2.4.26 to 2.4.27. I like starting with my old .config file and running make oldconfig. It will display only those prompts that are new to 2.4.27. Then, I run make menuconfig and make sure everything was set the way I expected. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dan at dandrake.org Wed Nov 10 20:21:49 2004 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] checking several possible return codes in procmail Message-ID: <20041111022149.GA5660@aleph-one> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsanborn at earthlink.net Wed Nov 10 23:58:50 2004 From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Independents Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 00:10:08 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail server backup hardware questions Message-ID: <65293fcc04111022101e1ecddb@mail.gmail.com> I'm in the process of building out a small email server (as evident in my last posting)... I had thought there'd be a backup server for my use in the data center it'll be in, but I found out today - or rather I was handed today a "DAT autochanger - ADIC model 1200D" ... It's a 12 tape - tape backup thingy - never dealt with one before :) I need to hook this up to my server that is running Fedora 2 - I'm pretty new with this kind of hardware so bear with me. On the back of the server there's a expansion card sporting two miniature looking Centronics connectors - I figured that they must be a couple of VHDCI SCSI connectors, because the card that they are on looks exactly like a MegaRAID Enterprise 1200 (series 428) card pictured here: http://www.centrix-intl.com/details.asp?item=2zxxzMGRAID-428-3 So i looks like I have two places to "hang" SCSI devices off the server. Now on to the Tape drive thingy. It has two big ol' Centronix looking connectors on the back - I assume one for the cable from the server and the other to go to the next SCSI device or be terminated. Do I have to find a cable with the proper VHDCI connector on one side and a Centronix one on the other - or get a stack of adaptors? Will this work - using the MegaRAID card's external SCSI connector to connect a tape backup autochanger? Anyone have experience running a ADIC 1200D DAT autochanger from Linux? I got some hits on google pointing to the mtx-general mailing list, but most of the messages are from a few years back, so I don't know if they're still valid. thanks john _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Nov 11 06:01:43 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] checking several possible return codes in procmail In-Reply-To: <20041111022149.GA5660@aleph-one> References: <20041111022149.GA5660@aleph-one> Message-ID: <1100174502.29322.20.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 08:25:04 2004 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:20:43 -0600 (CST), Fred H Olson wrote: > The controversy continues about the recent election > (See, for example, "Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked" > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm ) > and there is an open source angle / possible remedy: > > The Open Voting Consortium (OVC) is a non-profit organization dedicated > to the development, maintenance, and delivery of open voting systems for > use in public elections. http://openvotingconsortium.org/ > > PS sorry about posting twice about Fedora Core 3 the other day, I > erroneously concluded that old address for the list that I sent to first > was not working. > > Fred > > -- > Fred H. Olson Minneapolis,MN 55411 USA (near north Mpls) > Communications for Justice - My new listserv org. UU, Linux > My Link Page: http://fholson.cohousing.org Ham radio:WB0YQM > fholson at cohousing.org 612-588-9532 (7am-10pm Central time) >From the article ""This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. " Why so much stock in exit polls? People can lie. Pollsters can lie. Personally I believe no exit polling should be allowed at all. Or if it is, it may not be broadcast until after the polls have closed across the entire country. "I suspect foul play." So do I, but from different people than the articles author. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Thu Nov 11 09:06:35 2004 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41937FFB.9020608@visi.com> A couple of things to keep in mind about exit polls, or at least the ones that were leaked. The first is that they are fairly shallow samples. With a national sample size of 12,000 you're talking about an average of 240 individuals per state which is about 1/4 the normal sample size used for political polls. That blows up the margin of error by a factor of 2 to plus/minus 7% - 10% instead of the usual 3 1/2% - 5%. And given that the early results were based on a fraction of the planned 12,000 interviews, the margin of error may widen by another factor of 1.5x to 2x. Second, early results are going to be heavily biased towards the individuals who vote early. That may or may not be a problem depending on whether those people are representative of the overall population. In this case they were heavily weighted towards Democratic women, who as a group, tended to vote more heavily towards Kerry. So if you combine the two, you have a result that is biased towards Kerry and has a huge margin of error, i.e. you got nothing. I haven't looked at it personally, but its my understanding that the final exit poll results were reasonably consistent with the actual results. Which ironically is what they were designed to do rather than as some kind of real time forecasting tool :-) --rick Ryan Ware wrote: >On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:20:43 -0600 (CST), Fred H Olson > wrote: > > >>The controversy continues about the recent election >>(See, for example, "Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked" >> http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm ) >>and there is an open source angle / possible remedy: >> >>The Open Voting Consortium (OVC) is a non-profit organization dedicated >>to the development, maintenance, and delivery of open voting systems for >>use in public elections. http://openvotingconsortium.org/ >> >>PS sorry about posting twice about Fedora Core 3 the other day, I >>erroneously concluded that old address for the list that I sent to first >>was not working. >> >>Fred >> >>-- >>Fred H. Olson Minneapolis,MN 55411 USA (near north Mpls) >>Communications for Justice - My new listserv org. UU, Linux >>My Link Page: http://fholson.cohousing.org Ham radio:WB0YQM >>fholson at cohousing.org 612-588-9532 (7am-10pm Central time) >> >> > >>From the article >""This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the >board as they were on election night. " > >Why so much stock in exit polls? People can lie. Pollsters can lie. >Personally I believe no exit polling should be allowed at all. Or if >it is, it may not be broadcast until after the polls have closed >across the entire country. > >"I suspect foul play." So do I, but from different people than the >articles author. > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Nov 11 09:12:07 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Ryan Ware wrote: >> (See, for example, "Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked" >> http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm ) >> From the article > ""This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the > board as they were on election night." The final exit-poll counts matched very closely with the official vote counts in Florida, in other states, and at a national level. Look on CNN.com for exit poll results and you will see what I mean. > Why so much stock in exit polls? They give us a way to check on the validity of the official vote counts. This is important, and it is done all over the world. > People can lie. Pollsters can lie. So can election officials. With exit polling, both election officials and pollsters have to tell the same lie or a discrepancy will be noticed which will leave the results in question. How do you recommend that lying be detected without exit polling? > Personally I believe no exit polling should be allowed at all. Or if it > is, it may not be broadcast until after the polls have closed across the > entire country. Do you think the results from one state affect voter choices in another state? I don't think that is an important issue, but I have no objection to withholding results for a few hours or a day. I do think that exit polling is needed if we are to trust election results. > "I suspect foul play." So do I, but from different people than the > articles author. What do you suspect? Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Nov 11 09:25:05 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <41937FFB.9020608@visi.com> References: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> <41937FFB.9020608@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: > A couple of things to keep in mind about exit polls, or at least the ones > that were leaked. The first is that they are fairly shallow samples. With a > national sample size of 12,000 you're talking about an average of 240 > individuals per state which is about 1/4 the normal sample size used for > political polls. The national sample was 13,660, but the state samples were not 240 - they were more like 2,500 for some states and 1,500 or more for most others. I looked at the numbers on the CNN.com site: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html Florida: 2,862 Iowa: 2,512 Ohio: 2,020 New Mexico: 2,006 > Second, early results are going to be heavily biased towards the > individuals who vote early. That may or may not be a problem depending > on whether those people are representative of the overall population. In > this case they were heavily weighted towards Democratic women, who as a > group, tended to vote more heavily towards Kerry. This seems to be correct. It is certainly true that the early numbers favored Kerry, but the final numbers were spot on the official counts. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Thu Nov 11 09:40:09 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others Message-ID: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Hey guys, got a problem that I wonder if any of the home email server people have found a way around. I host my own email/web site from home off of a comcast cable connection and came across this in my mail logs last night. Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: host mailin-02.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.121] refused to talk to me: 554- (RTR:BB) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL does not accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51 Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: to=, relay=mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152], delay=16717, status=deferred (host mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152] refused to talk to me: 554- (RTR:BB) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL does not accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51) I know what this means but is their a way around it? Thanks all, Jason _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Nov 11 09:44:41 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] checking several possible return codes in procmail In-Reply-To: <20041111022149.GA5660@aleph-one> References: <20041111022149.GA5660@aleph-one> Message-ID: <20041111154441.GK17174@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sos at zjod.net Thu Nov 11 09:54:06 2004 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others In-Reply-To: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> from "Jason Sievert" at Nov 11, 2004 09:40:09 AM Message-ID: <200411111554.iABFs6Q27125@zjod.net> Jason Sievert wrote: > > Hey guys, got a problem that I wonder if any of the home email server > people have found a way around. I host my own email/web site from home > off of a comcast cable connection and came across this in my mail logs > last night. > > Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: host > mailin-02.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.121] refused to talk to me: 554- (RTR:BB) > http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL does not > accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP > addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51 > Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: to=, > relay=mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152], delay=16717, status=deferred > (host mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152] refused to talk to me: 554- > (RTR:BB) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL > does not accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP > addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51) > > I know what this means but is their a way around it? > Yeah... use "Smart" relay host for outgoing mail. I.e.: in your /etc/sendmail.cf, you need a line like: > # "Smart" relay host (may be null) > DSsmtp.comcast.net FYI: other services blocking mail from dynamic ip address (which Comcast thoughtfully publishes for the world to block) include: hotmail.com *.rr.com pacbell.net earthlink.net ncs.com airmail.net qwest.net mindspring.com Hope this helps, -S _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Nov 11 09:45:28 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others In-Reply-To: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> References: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Jason Sievert wrote: > Hey guys, got a problem that I wonder if any of the home email server > people have found a way around. I host my own email/web site from home > off of a comcast cable connection and came across this in my mail logs > last night. Smarthost out Comcast's mail server. Or setup a mailertable entry so aol.com mail is sent out through comcast's server: /etc/mail/mailertable: aol.com smtp:your.comcast.smtp.server _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 09:57:59 2004 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: References: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <307a337f04111107576eca8ef0@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:12:07 -0600 (CST), Mike Miller wrote: > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Ryan Ware wrote: > > >> (See, for example, "Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked" > >> http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm ) > >> From the article > > ""This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the > > board as they were on election night." > > The final exit-poll counts matched very closely with the official vote > counts in Florida, in other states, and at a national level. Look on > CNN.com for exit poll results and you will see what I mean. > > > > Why so much stock in exit polls? > > They give us a way to check on the validity of the official vote counts. > This is important, and it is done all over the world. > > > > People can lie. Pollsters can lie. > > So can election officials. With exit polling, both election officials and > pollsters have to tell the same lie or a discrepancy will be noticed which > will leave the results in question. How do you recommend that lying be > detected without exit polling? Sorry, only votes are counted. The constitution makes no provision for exit polls. > > > > Personally I believe no exit polling should be allowed at all. Or if it > > is, it may not be broadcast until after the polls have closed across the > > entire country. > > Do you think the results from one state affect voter choices in another > state? I don't think that is an important issue, but I have no objection > to withholding results for a few hours or a day. I do think that exit > polling is needed if we are to trust election results. > > > > "I suspect foul play." So do I, but from different people than the > > articles author. > > What do you suspect? I don't trust pollsters to be unbiased. > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Nov 11 09:51:53 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others In-Reply-To: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> References: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: <20041111155153.GM17174@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Nov 11 10:03:23 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <41937FFB.9020608@visi.com> References: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> <41937FFB.9020608@visi.com> Message-ID: <41938D4B.9090301@tc-tech.com> > I haven't > looked at it personally, but its my understanding that the final exit > poll results were reasonably consistent with the actual results. Which > ironically is what they were designed to do rather than as some kind of > real time forecasting tool :-) Not really. Everything that I've seen suggests that the exit polls were very accurate in most states, but biased consistently by 5-6% towards kerry in states that have electronic voting. (That is bush got more votes counted for him than the exit polls would suggest) If it was truly a matter of exit poll innacurracy, the bias would be seen on both sides. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Nov 11 10:14:09 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others In-Reply-To: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> References: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: <41938FD1.3010104@veldy.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Nov 11 10:18:46 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <307a337f04111107576eca8ef0@mail.gmail.com> References: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> <307a337f04111107576eca8ef0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <419390E6.1050403@tc-tech.com> > Sorry, only votes are counted. The constitution makes no provision > for exit polls. And when we have no way to verify that votes were counted *correctly*? How can we possibly feel confident about the result? Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Nov 11 10:13:43 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others In-Reply-To: <200411111554.iABFs6Q27125@zjod.net> References: <200411111554.iABFs6Q27125@zjod.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Jason Sievert wrote: > > FYI: other services blocking mail from dynamic ip address (which Comcast > thoughtfully publishes for the world to block) include: They may not be publishing it. There are many providers nowadays that are filtering on dynamic-looking patterns in DNS: bash-2.05a# nslookup 66.41.162.51 (original poster's IP) ... Name: c-66-41-162-51.mn.client2.attbi.com Address: 66.41.162.51 In fact, there are people who are publishing lists of patterns that match dynamic space for larger providers, to make this kind of filtering possible without provider's needing to list these nets in services like DUL. Filtering from dynamic space probably saves AOL from handling a HUGE amount of junk. Since most of the spam nowadays comes from hacked windows boxen on cable and DSL networks in dynamic space. There's little justification for end-users on dynamic IP's to be sending mail directly, rather than relaying through their provider's server. Which is also why many providers, especially large cable providers, are filtering outbound SMTP from their customers. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Thu Nov 11 10:39:22 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others In-Reply-To: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> References: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: <1100191162.419395ba7f3ea@joshwelch.com> Quoting Jason Sievert : > Hey guys, got a problem that I wonder if any of the home email server > people have found a way around. I host my own email/web site from home > off of a comcast cable connection and came across this in my mail logs > last night. > > Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: host > mailin-02.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.121] refused to talk to me: 554- (RTR:BB) > http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL does not > accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP > addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51 > Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: to=, > relay=mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152], delay=16717, status=deferred > (host mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152] refused to talk to me: 554- > (RTR:BB) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL > does not accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP > addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51) > > I know what this means but is their a way around it? > > Thanks all, > Jason > As you likely know, AOL and others use a variey of blacklists, including lists of residentiall assigned IP blocks, to help lower their spam count, the rationale being that anything not going through an ISP mail server from a home user must be zombie-spam. To get around this you can either set up your ISP's SMTP servers as a smarthost for your mail server, or you can host your mail somewhere else, either a colo or a virtual linux host which is popular today. I run my mailserver from a virutal linux host, in my case I believe they run user mode linux, to get around this fact. I think I pay $20.00/month for this service, and it's kind of cool to have a host somewhere else to play with. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 11:01:04 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel update - another question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d6c8253041111090111a3f199@mail.gmail.com> What distro are you running? Different distros place config files for stock kernels in different places. For example, Debian puts a config file for stock kernels under /boot/config-2.4.26-1-386 -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Nov 11 10:47:38 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <419390E6.1050403@tc-tech.com> References: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> <307a337f04111107576eca8ef0@mail.gmail.com> <419390E6.1050403@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <419397AA.8040301@structural-wood.com> Matt Murphy wrote: > >> Sorry, only votes are counted. The constitution makes no provision >> for exit polls. > > > And when we have no way to verify that votes were counted > *correctly*? How can we possibly feel confident about the result? > > Matt > In this vote, at least, the outcome seemed to match all the polls leading up to the election. With some rare exceptions Bush always had a small but significant lead in the polls. With that said, I too would really like to see a better voting system than we've got. Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Nov 11 10:39:14 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <41938D4B.9090301@tc-tech.com> References: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> <41937FFB.9020608@visi.com> <41938D4B.9090301@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <419395B2.7080101@structural-wood.com> Matt Murphy wrote: >> I haven't looked at it personally, but its my understanding that the >> final exit poll results were reasonably consistent with the actual >> results. Which ironically is what they were designed to do rather than >> as some kind of real time forecasting tool :-) > > > Not really. Everything that I've seen suggests that the exit polls > were very accurate in most states, but biased consistently by 5-6% > towards kerry in states that have electronic voting. (That is bush got > more votes counted for him than the exit polls would suggest) If it was > truly a matter of exit poll innacurracy, the bias would be seen on both > sides. > > Matt > If you look at a nationwide county red/blue map, you'll see the rural areas overwhelmingly voted for Bush. Almost no organization does exit polls on voting districts with small numbers of voters, and yet these are precisely the districts that allowed Bush to win. Systematic procedural bias. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Thu Nov 11 10:59:44 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others In-Reply-To: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> References: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: <1100192385.14585.21.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> It looks like I can get a outbound "Mail Hop" through DynDns who is doing my dns service now. It looks like that will get me around this. Jason On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 09:40 -0600, Jason Sievert wrote: > Hey guys, got a problem that I wonder if any of the home email server > people have found a way around. I host my own email/web site from home > off of a comcast cable connection and came across this in my mail logs > last night. > > Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: host > mailin-02.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.121] refused to talk to me: 554- (RTR:BB) > http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL does not > accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP > addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51 > Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: to=, > relay=mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152], delay=16717, status=deferred > (host mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152] refused to talk to me: 554- > (RTR:BB) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL > does not accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP > addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51) > > I know what this means but is their a way around it? > > Thanks all, > Jason > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Thu Nov 11 10:46:40 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others In-Reply-To: <41938FD1.3010104@veldy.net> References: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <41938FD1.3010104@veldy.net> Message-ID: <1100191600.14585.18.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Thanks for the idea, my understanding with the TOS is that you can run a server off of comcast as long as it is not for commercial use. Please correct me if I am wrong on this one. Thanks again, Jason On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 10:14 -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Jason Sievert wrote: > > >Hey guys, got a problem that I wonder if any of the home email server > >people have found a way around. I host my own email/web site from home > >off of a comcast cable connection and came across this in my mail logs > >last night. > > > >Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: host > >mailin-02.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.121] refused to talk to me: 554- (RTR:BB) > >http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL does not > >accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP > >addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51 > >Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: to=, > >relay=mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152], delay=16717, status=deferred > >(host mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152] refused to talk to me: 554- > >(RTR:BB) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL > >does not accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP > >addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51) > > > >I know what this means but is their a way around it? > > > >Thanks all, > >Jason > > > > > > > > What do you use for an MTA? You should consider having your MTA forward > to Comcasts MTA for outgoing email. The problem is your IP address of > course. Further, you are not complying with the Comcast TOS, but that > is a different issue altogether. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From krblack at penguinpackets.com Thu Nov 11 09:28:50 2004 From: krblack at penguinpackets.com (krblack@penguinpackets.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others In-Reply-To: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> References: <1100187609.14585.5.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: <20041111152850.GA5183@penguinpackets.com> You can set up to have your mail server use the Comcast mail server as a smart-host. Kelly KB0GBJ On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:40:09AM -0600, Jason Sievert wrote: > Hey guys, got a problem that I wonder if any of the home email server > people have found a way around. I host my own email/web site from home > off of a comcast cable connection and came across this in my mail logs > last night. > > Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: host > mailin-02.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.121] refused to talk to me: 554- (RTR:BB) > http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL does not > accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP > addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51 > Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: to=, > relay=mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152], delay=16717, status=deferred > (host mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152] refused to talk to me: 554- > (RTR:BB) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL > does not accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP > addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51) > > I know what this means but is their a way around it? > > Thanks all, > Jason > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Nov 11 11:21:00 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <200411111107.25992@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200411111107.25992@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <41939F7C.8040704@tc-tech.com> > It doesn't have much to do with linux. Yes, it does. If we continue to use closed-source voting machines with no paper trail, we'll never have any way to check whether the votes we cast were really counted correctly. A linux-based open source solution would give us confidence in the vote, which I for one have very little of at the moment. Whether we think there was foul play or not, I think we can all agree that we need open source voting machines. And while it doesn't really give us much more to discuss on the matter, except maybe how to influence secretaries of state, it is certainly linux-relevant IMO. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 11 11:40:42 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <41939F7C.8040704@tc-tech.com> References: <200411111107.25992@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <41939F7C.8040704@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <200411111140.45897@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Thu Nov 11 11:40:36 2004 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry W) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS Message-ID: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> Quote from the FAQ on Personal Web Pages " 1. Prohibited Uses of the Service: Use of the Comcast Equipment or the Service for transmission or storage of any information, data or material in violation of any federal, state or local law or regulation is prohibited. In addition, unless you are subject to a Service plan that expressly permits otherwise, the Service is to be used, and you expressly agree to use it, solely in a private residence, living quarters in a hotel, hospital, dormitory, sorority or fraternity house, or boarding house, or the residential portion of a premises which is used for both business and residential purposes. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any business enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network. Jerry W _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Thu Nov 11 12:03:19 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> References: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1100196199.15425.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> ", for any business enterprise," I thought that since I am not running a business out of this that I would be ok with the TOS. Jason On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 11:40 -0600, Jerry W wrote: > Quote from the FAQ on Personal Web Pages > > " > > 1. Prohibited Uses of the Service: Use of the Comcast Equipment or > the Service for transmission or storage of any information, data > or material in violation of any federal, state or local law or > regulation is prohibited. In addition, unless you are subject to a > Service plan that expressly permits otherwise, the Service is to > be used, and you expressly agree to use it, solely in a private > residence, living quarters in a hotel, hospital, dormitory, > sorority or fraternity house, or boarding house, or the > residential portion of a premises which is used for both business > and residential purposes. Without limiting the generality of the > foregoing, the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only > and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet > service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail > hosting, "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any > business enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local > area network or wide area network. > > Jerry W > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 12:11:38 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <41937FFB.9020608@visi.com> References: <307a337f04111106256f96f1c9@mail.gmail.com> <41937FFB.9020608@visi.com> Message-ID: <9d6c825304111110115f3e93ec@mail.gmail.com> Exit polls are used when we try to verify the authenticity of elections in third world contries. It is very possible that the exit polls were wrong but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't question the methodology. Either the exit polls were wrong because of early voting and other reasons or the voting system is wrong. If people could have access to the exit polling data this issue could be decided. The article states specifically, when comparing the entire state only counties that use a specific type of electronic voting method by Diebold were statistically off. The article also mentions how one could tamper with such a system by opening the database record into MS Excel and copy and pasting the results around. Basically there is no way to verify that the votes have been changed unless such provisions are enabled into the software. It is like when we were running Windows 98 from home through a VPN but each computer was directly connected to the internet. We upgraded to Windows 2000 and suddenly saw a huge list of break-in attempts from the same computers in the same situation. I had to explain that Windows 2000 didn' t make us less secure it just informed us of our vulnerability. Now we have firewalls on each computer and continue to monitor the security logs. When I started working with Linux, I was very happy to see that Linux has a lot more information in the logs than Windows ever did. If the information is not recorded, you cannot get that information after-the-fact, you needed that information recorded before you had the error. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Nov 11 12:19:55 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <1100196199.15425.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> References: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> <1100196199.15425.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: <4193AD4B.3060802@veldy.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Thu Nov 11 12:41:21 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <4193AD4B.3060802@veldy.net> References: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> <1100196199.15425.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <4193AD4B.3060802@veldy.net> Message-ID: <20041111184121.GC6312@refried.org> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:19:55PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > "... you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet > service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, > "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any business > enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or > wide area network." > > You would be email hosting based upon your previous email, and that > would indicate to me that you are in violation of the statement above. > Again, not that I care, I just brought it to your attention. It's a shame that they can advertise that services as Internet access. What the cable companies sell is spade and nutered Internet access. Comcast had better TOS when it was still MediaOne. It just goes to show that DSL is generally a better choice when it comes to TOS. Unfortunately you need to live in the right area to have that choice to begin with. Nate A Very Happy VISI customer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Thu Nov 11 12:51:04 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <20041111184121.GC6312@refried.org> References: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> <1100196199.15425.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <4193AD4B.3060802@veldy.net> <20041111184121.GC6312@refried.org> Message-ID: <1100199064.18718.6.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Well I guess I am going to have to violate the TOS for a bit longer until I can afford to host somewhere or when DSL comes into my area. Jason On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 12:41 -0600, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:19:55PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > "... you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet > > service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, > > "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any business > > enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or > > wide area network." > > > > You would be email hosting based upon your previous email, and that > > would indicate to me that you are in violation of the statement above. > > Again, not that I care, I just brought it to your attention. > > It's a shame that they can advertise that services as Internet access. > What the cable companies sell is spade and nutered Internet access. > Comcast had better TOS when it was still MediaOne. > > It just goes to show that DSL is generally a better choice when it comes > to TOS. Unfortunately you need to live in the right area to have that > choice to begin with. > > Nate > > A Very Happy VISI customer > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Nov 11 12:54:35 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <20041111184121.GC6312@refried.org> References: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> <1100196199.15425.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <4193AD4B.3060802@veldy.net> <20041111184121.GC6312@refried.org> Message-ID: <1100199275.4193b56b093dd@my.visi.com> Visi ROCKS! The folks at Visi will let you do almost anything with "your" internet connection. Sam. Quoting "nate@refried.org" : > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:19:55PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > "... you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet > > service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, > > "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any business > > enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or > > wide area network." > > > > You would be email hosting based upon your previous email, and that > > would indicate to me that you are in violation of the statement above. > > Again, not that I care, I just brought it to your attention. > > It's a shame that they can advertise that services as Internet access. > What the cable companies sell is spade and nutered Internet access. > Comcast had better TOS when it was still MediaOne. > > It just goes to show that DSL is generally a better choice when it comes > to TOS. Unfortunately you need to live in the right area to have that > choice to begin with. > > Nate > > A Very Happy VISI customer > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phawk42 at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 13:14:31 2004 From: phawk42 at gmail.com (Patrick Hawkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <4193AD4B.3060802@veldy.net> References: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> <1100196199.15425.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <4193AD4B.3060802@veldy.net> Message-ID: <68a256c04111111142d99042e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:19:55 -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Jason Sievert wrote: > > >", for any business enterprise," > > > >I thought that since I am not running a business out of this that I > >would be ok with the TOS. > > > > > > > > That was just one item in a long list. > > "... you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet > service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, > "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any business > enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or > wide area network." The way that the sentence is constructed, it could be construed three different ways: a) a list of four forbidden items, the items being internet service provider, server site (with ftp etc. describing the phrase "server site"), business enterprise, or end-point b) a list of three forbidden items, the items being ISP, server site for a business enterprise, and end-point. c) a list of two forbidden items, similar applications (encompassing everything from "ISP" until "enterprise") and end-point. I am inclined to agree with reading C, simply because the word "as" is only used twice. With this interpretation, it seems that hosting a personal email server for non-business use would not violate the TOS. However, this is the opinion of someone who is finishing up a double-major in English and Philosophy, and NOT the opinion of a lawyer. -Patrick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tim at urberg.net Thu Nov 11 13:22:15 2004 From: tim at urberg.net (Tim Urberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> References: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4193BBE7.6020501@urberg.net> What about Time Warner Cable? Jerry W wrote: > Quote from the FAQ on Personal Web Pages > > " > > 1. Prohibited Uses of the Service: Use of the Comcast Equipment or > the Service for transmission or storage of any information, data > or material in violation of any federal, state or local law or > regulation is prohibited. In addition, unless you are subject to a > Service plan that expressly permits otherwise, the Service is to > be used, and you expressly agree to use it, solely in a private > residence, living quarters in a hotel, hospital, dormitory, > sorority or fraternity house, or boarding house, or the > residential portion of a premises which is used for both business > and residential purposes. Without limiting the generality of the > foregoing, the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only > and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet > service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail > hosting, "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any > business enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local > area network or wide area network. > > Jerry W > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Nov 11 13:31:31 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <68a256c04111111142d99042e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> <1100196199.15425.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <4193AD4B.3060802@veldy.net> <68a256c04111111142d99042e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Patrick Hawkins wrote: > I am inclined to agree with reading C, simply because the word "as" is > only used twice. With this interpretation, it seems that hosting a > personal email server for non-business use would not violate the TOS. That's how I read it too. I don't think they mean that you can't run personal services on the machine. I think they mean that you can't provide services to other people. This is the sort of issue that should be addressed to Comcast headquarters. You still have the problem that AOL won't accept your e-mail! What happens if you fake the From header and stick a Reply-To in there? Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Thu Nov 11 13:34:17 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <41939F7C.8040704@tc-tech.com> References: <200411111107.25992@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <41939F7C.8040704@tc-tech.com> Message-ID: <1100201657.4193beb90e1b8@joshwelch.com> Quoting Matt Murphy : > > It doesn't have much to do with linux. > > Yes, it does. If we continue to use closed-source voting machines with > no paper trail, we'll never have any way to check whether the votes we > cast were really counted correctly. A linux-based open source solution > would give us confidence in the vote, which I for one have very little > of at the moment. > > Whether we think there was foul play or not, I think we can all agree > that we need open source voting machines. And while it doesn't really > give us much more to discuss on the matter, except maybe how to > influence secretaries of state, it is certainly linux-relevant IMO. > > Matt > The discussion, as evidenced by the posts on this thread so far, will quickly turn from a technical discussion regarding the merits of different voting systems to a vigorous liberal vs conservative slapfest. I've seen enough of that already this year, I can't stomach any more. There are far better places to discuss this than here. josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Thu Nov 11 13:36:17 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <4193BBE7.6020501@urberg.net> References: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> <4193BBE7.6020501@urberg.net> Message-ID: <1100201777.18718.17.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Just what we need, another war. Who's ISP has a better TOS. :) Jason On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:22 -0600, Tim Urberg wrote: > What about Time Warner Cable? > > Jerry W wrote: > > Quote from the FAQ on Personal Web Pages > > > > " > > > > 1. Prohibited Uses of the Service: Use of the Comcast Equipment or > > the Service for transmission or storage of any information, data > > or material in violation of any federal, state or local law or > > regulation is prohibited. In addition, unless you are subject to a > > Service plan that expressly permits otherwise, the Service is to > > be used, and you expressly agree to use it, solely in a private > > residence, living quarters in a hotel, hospital, dormitory, > > sorority or fraternity house, or boarding house, or the > > residential portion of a premises which is used for both business > > and residential purposes. Without limiting the generality of the > > foregoing, the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only > > and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet > > service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail > > hosting, "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any > > business enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local > > area network or wide area network. > > > > Jerry W > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Nov 11 13:31:23 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <68a256c04111111142d99042e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4193A414.3070407@comcast.net> <1100196199.15425.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <4193AD4B.3060802@veldy.net> <68a256c04111111142d99042e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Patrick Hawkins wrote: >> "... you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet >> service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, >> "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any business >> enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or >> wide area network." > > The way that the sentence is constructed, it could be construed three > different ways: > > a) a list of four forbidden items, the items being internet service > provider, server site (with ftp etc. describing the phrase "server > site"), business enterprise, or end-point a) would be correct, since there is a comma between 'applications' and 'for any business'. You cannot be an ISP. You cannot host server applications. You cannot use it for a business. You cannot be an endpoint on a non-Comcast LAN or WAN (whatever that means). But my suggestion would be to either ask on alt.usage.english, or call and ask their legal department. Could you be an I.S.P? I could not be an ISP! I cannot serve FTP! Not on a LAN, not on a WAN, I cannot serve anything thanks to the Cable Man. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dan at dandrake.org Thu Nov 11 17:02:03 2004 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] checking several possible return codes in procmail In-Reply-To: <20041111154441.GK17174@wookimus.net> References: <20041111022149.GA5660@aleph-one> <20041111154441.GK17174@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20041111230203.GA5692@aleph-one> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Thu Nov 11 19:58:27 2004 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004201c4c85b$19fc70d0$0439a8c0@Kurama> > That's how I read it too. I don't think they mean that you can't run > personal services on the machine. I think they mean that you can't > provide services to other people. This is the sort of issue that should > be addressed to Comcast headquarters. > You still have the problem that AOL won't accept your e-mail! What > happens if you fake the From header and stick a Reply-To in there? Won't work, the system checks the ip address of the incoming connection. I had one mail server that just disconnects before my mail server can even get the HELO in. When I tried to connect via telnet the connection was close instantly. I would love to use the smart host option but I'm currently with MSN and they have that proprietary SPA authorization. I have been looking into moving to another ISP but the 1 to 2 week downtime is a bit much. Joseph _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Nov 11 20:26:43 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <004201c4c85b$19fc70d0$0439a8c0@Kurama> References: <004201c4c85b$19fc70d0$0439a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Joseph Key wrote: >> You still have the problem that AOL won't accept your e-mail! What >> happens if you fake the From header and stick a Reply-To in there? > > Won't work, the system checks the ip address of the incoming connection. > I had one mail server that just disconnects before my mail server can > even get the HELO in. I see. What happens if you use Comcast's mail relay? Other people suggested that, but I don't remember if you told us the outcome. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Nov 11 20:39:58 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new Treo 650 Message-ID: I've been using a Treo 600 - combo cell phone, Palm device, web/e-mail device and (really bad) digital camera. Now they've come out with a new one called the Treo 650. This is the official announcement: http://www.palmone.com/us/products/smartphones/treo650/ I'm not so sure it's a great upgrade. Here's what people are saying: http://www.engadget.com/entry/6281966886574165/ (scroll down to reader comments) I had heard it would have the 1.3 Mpixel camera, but it still has the old 0.3 Mpixel (640x480). Same for RAM - still the same at only 32 MB (24 MB available). Still a 2.5 mm stereo output - very disappointing - the standard is 3.5 mm (I guess they really like selling those adaptors and S/H). It does not do 802.11b WiFi, though some other companies are offering that on their cell phones. Also the new Bluetooth feature may be "crippled" by some carriers... http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/472-1.htm the Treo 650 will will also support the ability to become a bluetooth modem for wireless internet access on laptops or other PDAs. However, carriers have the ability to cripple such advanced Bluetooth features if they want to. The 650 does have a much nicer display - 4 times the pixels (now 320x320 instead of 160x160) and 16-bit color instead of 12-bit color. It is faster - 312 MHz instead of 144 MHz - and it has a removable battery (nice for some people, but it won't affect me much). It's just not quite what I was hoping for. For the reasons just given, I won't upgrade unless my Treo 600 breaks (more severely than it is broken right now - the touch screen is mostly not working). The Treo 650 is definitely better than the Treo 600, but not enough better to warrant canning my 600. These things do cost money! When they can add WiFi, uncrippled BlueTooth, 1.3 Mpixel camera and a 3.5 mm stereo output, that will be enough new features to sell me on an upgrade. I really could use those extra pixels though. I use PalmVNC to connect to my Linux and Solaris boxes (e.g., to do e-mail in Pine) and more pixels would be great. Best, Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pend0062 at umn.edu Thu Nov 11 20:56:08 2004 From: pend0062 at umn.edu (pend0062) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Open Voting Consortium Message-ID: <200411120256.iAC2u8Pg027388@firefox.software.umn.edu> On 11 Nov 2004, Josh Welch wrote: > Quoting Matt Murphy : > > > > It doesn't have much to do with linux. > > > > Yes, it does. If we continue to use closed-source voting machines with > > no paper trail, we'll never have any way to check whether the votes we > > cast were really counted correctly. A linux-based open source solution > > would give us confidence in the vote, which I for one have very little > > of at the moment. > > > > Whether we think there was foul play or not, I think we can all agree > > that we need open source voting machines. And while it doesn't really > > give us much more to discuss on the matter, except maybe how to > > influence secretaries of state, it is certainly linux-relevant IMO. > > > > Matt > > > > The discussion, as evidenced by the posts on this thread so far, will quickly > turn from a technical discussion regarding the merits of different voting > systems to a vigorous liberal vs conservative slapfest. I've seen enough of > that already this year, I can't stomach any more. > > There are far better places to discuss this than here. > > josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > It is at the very least encouraging to see that everyong in the US is looking at the system, the politics that drive the system in all its imperfection. While my age group showed disturbing complacency (18-24 year olds), I'm hoping this spirit of questioning and criticizing the weaknesses of said system. That having been said, it is perhaps better to take this conversation elsewhere. Keep up the good work people, I do hope these efforts lead to something good for society. Matteo _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Thu Nov 11 22:01:05 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new Treo 650 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41943581.9050301@info9.net> Mike Miller wrote: > I'm not so sure it's a great upgrade. Here's what people are saying: True there are some things that could still be better... But there are nice improvements over the 600 (as you note)... http://www.palmone.com/us/products/compare/ > Also the new Bluetooth feature may > be "crippled" by some carriers... Supposedly Sprint *will* enable this: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5825 For me the fair and flexible plan combined with sharing minutes with my wife's phone means that we will spend about the same amount monthly and get many, many more minutes, and unlimited data (and finally an upgrade from the old, monochrome 'candybar' phones!) > When they can add WiFi, You can get a WiFi SDIO card. In any case I'll let you know when my Treo 650 arrives ;-) Definitely going to add the 1 GB Lexar 32x SD card.... Regards, --Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Nov 11 23:23:48 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new Treo 650 In-Reply-To: <41943581.9050301@info9.net> References: <41943581.9050301@info9.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Tom Marble wrote: > Mike Miller wrote: >> I'm not so sure it's a great upgrade. Here's what people are saying: > > True there are some things that could still be better... > But there are nice improvements over the 600 (as you note)... > http://www.palmone.com/us/products/compare/ Yes, but I'm trying to talk myself out of it! ;-) >> Also the new Bluetooth feature may be "crippled" by some carriers... > > Supposedly Sprint *will* enable this: > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5825 That is good news (I use Sprint). Thanks for finding that. >> When they can add WiFi, > You can get a WiFi SDIO card. It's good that they have it. So that card would go into the same expansion slot as my memory card and I'd have to carry around both of them. Also, if it's the same as the WiFi SDIO card for Zire, they want about $129 for it. I'm not sure that the SDIO for Treo 650 exists yet. I want it integrated and free of charge! ;-) > In any case I'll let you know when my Treo 650 arrives ;-) > > Definitely going to add the 1 GB Lexar 32x SD card.... Do tell me. Wow - we can get a 1 GB card for less than $60 after rebate. I've been getting by on 256 MB. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Fri Nov 12 09:19:01 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: References: <004201c4c85b$19fc70d0$0439a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: <1100272741.14670.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Setting relayhost in my postfix main.cf to the comcast smtp server works like a champ. The emails take a bit longer to get through but at least they are. Thanks for all the help guys!!! Jason On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 20:26 -0600, Mike Miller wrote: > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Joseph Key wrote: > > >> You still have the problem that AOL won't accept your e-mail! What > >> happens if you fake the From header and stick a Reply-To in there? > > > > Won't work, the system checks the ip address of the incoming connection. > > I had one mail server that just disconnects before my mail server can > > even get the HELO in. > > I see. What happens if you use Comcast's mail relay? Other people > suggested that, but I don't remember if you told us the outcome. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sk3tch at sk3tch.net Fri Nov 12 09:38:50 2004 From: sk3tch at sk3tch.net (sk3tch@sk3tch.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: **need a relay?** - RE: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others Message-ID: hey man, I have a mail relay setup here at home. running spamassassin and kaspersky antivirus for linux. if you want, you can bounce mail to/from my relay and to your systems. I'm on business class road runner. no charge or anything, I'm just a malware researcher so any additional domains I can have on my "net" to catch samples is great. :-) ________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org on behalf of Jason Sievert Sent: Thu 11/11/2004 9:40 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Email blocked by AOL and possibly others Hey guys, got a problem that I wonder if any of the home email server people have found a way around. I host my own email/web site from home off of a comcast cable connection and came across this in my mail logs last night. Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: host mailin-02.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.121] refused to talk to me: 554- (RTR:BB) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL does not accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51 Nov 11 04:58:05 [postfix/smtp] 2E97CB2479: to=, relay=mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152], delay=16717, status=deferred (host mailin-03.mx.aol.com[64.12.137.152] refused to talk to me: 554- (RTR:BB) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbb.html 554- AOL does not accept e-mail transactions from dynamic or residential 554- IP addresses. 554 Connecting IP: 66.41.162.51) I know what this means but is their a way around it? Thanks all, Jason _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 12 10:07:16 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: <1100272741.14670.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> References: <004201c4c85b$19fc70d0$0439a8c0@Kurama> <1100272741.14670.2.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: <20041112160715.GA16517@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 11:16:40 2004 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new Treo 650 In-Reply-To: References: <41943581.9050301@info9.net> Message-ID: Keep in mind, it's a Palm. I currently use a Treo 600. I've got 60 apps on it (including the stuff preinstalled.) I've still got 6mb free, and if I fill that I can delete a couple MP3s that I have loaded into the Palm's memory to use as phone ringers. I also have mutiple e-mail accounts setup on the thing, and there is probally a bit of browser cache in there. The internal memeory of the Treo is small compared to other handhelds, but Palm applications don't need that much memory as applications for say, Windows Mobile do. (Is anyone supprised?) Unlike a Windows Mobile computer, the screen on the Treo isn't well suited for web browsing. I'm sure the Treo 650 is better, but I didn't buy a Treo to surf the web. I bought it because I was tired of carrying my cell phone and my palm all the time. The Treo may be big for a phone, but it does take up less room than a Palm and a phone. ;) At best, the Treo 650 is an incremental upgrade over the 600. There isn't really much of a draw for Treo 600 users, unless you for some reason need a better built in camera (a gimic feature at best, I perfer my digital camara to any phone cam) or bluetooth. The removable battery is nice though. If the Treo 600's battery dies, you're pretty screwed unless your phone is still under warranty. Throw in some SD cards if you need extra storage. I've got one loaded up with mp3 and another loaded up with Audible files. ;) Who is your carrier Mike? I'm currently on my third Treo 600. The first one got dropped onto concrete, with predictible results (busted LCD). That was replaced by Sprint Equipment Replacment Program ($4 a month to protect a $650 device is worth every penny!). About 3 weeks ago the LCD on the replacment failed. I took it to the Sprint Store on France and the rep there promptly ordered me a new one. I'm not sure if the new one is a refurb or not. It didn't come in a retail box, but it looks brand spanking new. The Lock/Line replacment was obviously a referb unit. I was a bit disappointed that the screen couldn't hold out for a few more weeks before failing so I would have a chance at a Treo 650 replacment. ;) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Nov 12 12:14:45 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] The Open Voting Consortium In-Reply-To: <200411120256.iAC2u8Pg027388@firefox.software.umn.edu> References: <200411120256.iAC2u8Pg027388@firefox.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20041112181445.GA26988@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:56:08PM -0600, pend0062 wrote: > It is at the very least encouraging to see that everyong in the US is > looking at the system, the politics that drive the system in all its > imperfection. While my age group showed disturbing complacency (18-24 > year olds), I'm hoping this spirit of questioning and criticizing the > weaknesses of said system. That having been said, it is perhaps better > to take this conversation elsewhere. Keep up the good work people, I > do hope these efforts lead to something good for society. FWIW, I volunteered as an election judge for this last election (Hennepin County). I *highly* recommend it--it was quite an eye-opener for me, in a good way. It's an interesting security problem, and it was impressive to see the combinations of physical and "algorithmic" security used to obtain an accurate count. Anyone with questions is welcome to ask me, but let's keep it apolitical. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri Nov 12 12:16:36 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new Treo 650 In-Reply-To: References: <41943581.9050301@info9.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Andrew Zbikowski wrote: > Keep in mind, it's a Palm. I currently use a Treo 600. I've got 60 apps > on it (including the stuff preinstalled.) I've still got 6mb free, and > if I fill that I can delete a couple MP3s that I have loaded into the > Palm's memory to use as phone ringers. I also have mutiple e-mail > accounts setup on the thing, and there is probally a bit of browser > cache in there. > > The internal memeory of the Treo is small compared to other handhelds, > but Palm applications don't need that much memory as applications for > say, Windows Mobile do. (Is anyone supprised?) I also have not been close to running out of memory on my Treo 600. I use Vindigo and sometimes add 3-4 cities at about 750kB apiece. For people not familiar, I recommend Vindigo (www.vindigo.com), especially if you travel to big US cities. > At best, the Treo 650 is an incremental upgrade over the 600. There > isn't really much of a draw for Treo 600 users, unless you for some > reason need a better built in camera (a gimic feature at best, I perfer > my digital camara to any phone cam) or bluetooth. I don't know how much better the camera is. It might work better in low light (the Treo 600 camera is abysmal in low light), but it has the same image size (640x480). The biggest advantage of having the camera built into the phone is that you always have a camera with you. The phone camera can't compare with a stand-alone a digital camera! > The removable battery is nice though. If the Treo 600's battery dies, > you're pretty screwed unless your phone is still under warranty. That's a good point that I hadn't considered. I haven't seen any sign that my battery will fail, so I hadn't thought about that. I was thinking in terms of running out of juice and popping in another battery. For me, I have a charger in the car and at home, so a second battery wouldn't normally be used. > Who is your carrier Mike? Sprint. > I'm currently on my third Treo 600. The first one got dropped onto > concrete, with predictible results (busted LCD). That was replaced by > Sprint Equipment Replacment Program ($4 a month to protect a $650 device > is worth every penny!). About 3 weeks ago the LCD on the replacment > failed. I took it to the Sprint Store on France and the rep there > promptly ordered me a new one. I'm on my second Treo 600. I need a third one because the LCD touch screen doesn't respond to touch unless I squeeze the Treo in my hand! I did drop it once, but a very minor drop and it should be able to take more than that. I had four Treo 270s. They really screwed me. One didn't work at all out of the box! These devices are not reliable. > I'm not sure if the new one is a refurb or not. They sent three Treo 270 refurbs that didn't work, then sent me a new one. By then I had changed to Treo 300 - I must be glutton for punishment. The Treo 300 did not fail, but I only had it for a few months before going with the Treo 600. > It didn't come in a retail box, but it looks brand spanking new. My refurbs looked totally new too. I think they might always give them a new exterior - shiny, no scratches, etc. > The Lock/Line replacment was obviously a referb unit. I was a bit > disappointed that the screen couldn't hold out for a few more weeks > before failing so I would have a chance at a Treo 650 replacment. ;) They have really pissed me off with their frequent failures. I was reading on the web about a guy who had 7 replacements of his Treo 600!! Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at greatlakedata.com Fri Nov 12 12:49:11 2004 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (gregwm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] install whitebox via knoppix! In-Reply-To: <20040729201805.GB18290@wookimus.net> References: <1091112386.4720.66181.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> <20040729161250.GE9766@wookimus.net> <1091127214.950.863.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> <20040729201805.GB18290@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1100285351.24696.24881.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 15:18, Chad Walstrom wrote: > In order to limit your upgrades to security packages for sarge, you need > to subscribe to the security announcements email list for Debian and > manually populate your local archive with affected packages. that's the clincher that kept me in the whitebox camp, regardless that remote installs were to be a fair effort. that effort spent, i'm posting the procedure for posterity.. i managed to remotely install whitebox on a customer's new machines from far away, and without burning or sending the whitebox CDs! in theory i coulda just done a net install. but i didn't want to munge with my customer's server to setup a netboot. maybe there are other options. do tell, if you've actually done them. i figured it ought to work just as well via a knoppix CD. well it wasn't as easy as i thought it ought to be. but now it can be, if somebody is willing to roll in fixes for the anaconda bugs and incompatibilities i found. basic concept: install installer in what is to be the swap partition. by the way i never bothered to go back over the process to sift out packages i didn't really need just to run anaconda. and similarly many of the packages could have been downloaded via yum instead of rsync. i leave such fine tuning up to the next eager beaver. fwiw it had seemed i was needing to build a bootable install partition, but i ended up squashing the anaconda bugs that were in the way of chrooting on top of knoppix. so anyway, here's how i did it. or to be more accurate these are the notes i kept, which were intended to be the significant net result of all my thrashings as i laboured to make it work. in other words, no guarantees, and the usual yatta yatta disclaimers.. prepare this on existing (rh9) box: mkdir -p /b/iso/whitebox rsync -vSPa\ rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/whitebox/3.0/en/iso/i386/liberation-respin1-\*\ /b/iso/whitebox mkdir -p /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum/base/packages mkdir -p /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum/updates-released/packages mkdir -p /b/installer/whitebox/usr/src/redhat rsync -vSPa\ --include=anaconda-9.1.2-2.RHEL.WB2.src.rpm \ --include=anaconda-9.1.2-2.RHEL.WB2.i386.rpm \ --include=anaconda-runtime-9.1.2-2.RHEL.WB2.i386.rpm \ --include=rpm-4.2.2-0.14.WB1.i386.rpm \ --include=rpm-python-4.2.2-0.14.WB1.i386.rpm \ --include=rhpl-0.110.4-1.i386.rpm \ --include=popt-1.8.2-0.14.WB1.i386.rpm \ --include=elfutils-0.94-1.i386.rpm \ --include=elfutils-libelf-0.94-1.i386.rpm \ --include=modutils-2.4.25-12.EL.i386.rpm \ --include=shadow-utils-4.0.3-20.i386.rpm \ --include=glibc-2.3.2-95.20.i386.rpm \ --include=glibc-common-2.3.2-95.20.i386.rpm \ --include=libgcc-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm\ --include=libpng-1.2.2-24.i386.rpm \ --include=libxml2-2.5.10-6.i386.rpm\ --include=libxml2-python-2.5.10-6.i386.rpm\ --include=laus-libs-0.1-56RHEL3.i386.rpm \ --include=krb5-libs-1.2.7-24.i386.rpm \ --include=XFree86-libs-4.3.0-62.EL.i386.rpm \ --include=XFree86-libs-data-4.3.0-62.EL.i386.rpm \ --include=fontconfig-2.2.1-8.0.i386.rpm \ --include=dev-3.3.12-1.i386.rpm \ --include=pam-0.75-54.i386.rpm \ --include=openssl-0.9.7a-33.4.i386.rpm \ --include=iproute-2.4.7-11.30E.1.i386.rpm \ --include=initscripts-7.31.13.EL-1.WB2.i386.rpm \ --include=SysVinit-2.85-4.2.i386.rpm \ --include=sysklogd-1.4.1-12.1.i386.rpm \ --include=kudzu-1.1.22.2-1.i386.rpm \ --include=libgcj-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm\ --exclude=\*\ rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/i386/\ /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum/updates-released/packages rsync -vSPa --include=bash-2.05b-29.i386.rpm\ --include=bogl-0.1.9-27.i386.rpm\ --include=booty-0.31.1-1.i386.rpm\ --include=beecrypt-3.0.1-0.20030630.i386.rpm\ --include=basesystem-8.0-2.noarch.rpm\ --include=filesystem-2.2.1-3.i386.rpm\ --include=findutils-4.1.7-9.i386.rpm\ --include=coreutils-4.5.3-26.i386.rpm\ --include=chkconfig-1.3.8-3.i386.rpm\ --include=e2fsprogs-1.32-15.i386.rpm\ --include=mktemp-1.5-18.i386.rpm\ --include=hwdata-0.98-1.noarch.rpm\ --include=tzdata-2003c-1.noarch.rpm\ --include=parted-1.6.3-29.i386.rpm\ --include=procps-2.0.13-9.2E.i386.rpm\ --include=psmisc-21.3-1.RHEL.0.i386.rpm\ --include=python-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm\ --include=pyxf86config-0.3.5-1.i386.rpm\ --include=pygtk2-1.99.16-8.i386.rpm\ --include=pygtk2-devel-1.99.16-8.i386.rpm\ --include=pygtk2-libglade-1.99.16-8.i386.rpm\ --include=atk-1.2.4-3.0.i386.rpm\ --include=gtk+-1.2.10-27.1.i386.rpm\ --include=gtk2-2.2.4-4.0.i386.rpm\ --include=glib-1.2.10-11.1.i386.rpm\ --include=glib2-2.2.3-2.0.i386.rpm\ --include=zlib-1.1.4-8.1.i386.rpm\ --include=bzip2-1.0.2-11.i386.rpm\ --include=bzip2-libs-1.0.2-11.i386.rpm\ --include=cracklib-2.7-22.i386.rpm\ --include=cracklib-dicts-2.7-22.i386.rpm\ --include=libacl-2.2.3-1.i386.rpm\ --include=libattr-2.2.0-1.i386.rpm\ --include=libjpeg-6b-30.i386.rpm\ --include=libtiff-3.5.7-13.i386.rpm\ --include=libglade2-2.0.1-3.i386.rpm\ --include=libtermcap-2.0.8-35.i386.rpm\ --include=freetype-2.1.4-4.0.i386.rpm\ --include=XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-35.EL.i386.rpm\ --include=db4-4.1.25-8.i386.rpm\ --include=sed-4.0.7-3.i386.rpm\ --include=gmp-4.1.2-5.i386.rpm\ --include=gpm-1.19.3-27.2.i386.rpm\ --include=gdbm-1.8.0-20.i386.rpm\ --include=gawk-3.1.1-9.i386.rpm\ --include=grep-2.5.1-16.i386.rpm\ --include=info-4.5-3.i386.rpm\ --include=newt-0.51.5-1.i386.rpm\ --include=expat-1.95.5-6.i386.rpm\ --include=mount-2.11y-31.1.i386.rpm\ --include=pango-1.2.5-2.0.i386.rpm\ --include=which-2.14-7.i386.rpm\ --include=words-2-21.noarch.rpm\ --include=setup-2.5.27-1.noarch.rpm\ --include=slang-1.4.5-18.i386.rpm\ --include=ncurses-5.3-9.3.i386.rpm\ --include=termcap-11.0.1-17.1.noarch.rpm\ --include=readline-4.3-5.i386.rpm\ --include=mingetty-1.06-1.i386.rpm\ --include=pcre-3.9-10.i386.rpm\ --include=ethtool-1.8-2.i386.rpm\ --include=net-tools-1.60-20.i386.rpm\ --include=iputils-20020927-11.i386.rpm\ --include=util-linux-2.11y-31.1.i386.rpm\ --include=yum-2.0.4-2.WB1.noarch.rpm\ --include=gettext-0.11.4-7.i386.rpm\ --include=zip-2.3-16.i386.rpm\ --exclude=\*\ rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/whitebox/3.0/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/\ /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum/base/packages rpm -Uvh --root=/b/installer/whitebox\ /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum/*/packages/* ln -s /sbin/e2label /b/installer/whitebox/usr/sbin/e2label edit /b/installer/whitebox/etc/yum.conf, hardcode $releasever chroot /b/installer/whitebox LC_ALL=C yum install gnupg grub vnc vnc-server openssh-server fix booty bug: edit /b/installer/whitebox/usr/lib/booty/butil.py, replace line 152: #path is None return "Sublime Booty Linux" anaconda's attempt to protect the iso partition fails, so don't: edit /b/installer/whitebox/usr/lib/anaconda/partitions.py, comment out line 944: #request.setProtected(1) edit /b/installer/whitebox/usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py: anaconda's attempt to launch syslog fails, so don't: comment out lines 794,919,1185: #syslog.start (instPath, syslogname) #syslog.stop() #syslog.stop() this umount will crash, so don't! at line 1038 comment out: #if usbWasMounted: # isys.umount('/proc/bus/usb', removeDir = 0) # # see if unmount suceeded, if not pretent it isnt mounted # # because we're screwed anywyas if system is going to # # lock up # if iutil.isUSBDevFSMounted(): # usbWasMounted = 0 edit /b/installer/whitebox/usr/sbin/anaconda: make exceptions non-fatal, comment out line 1078: #sys.excepthook = lambda type, value, tb, dispatch=dispatch, intf=intf: handleException(dispatch, intf, (type, value, tb)) prevent anaconda from forcing text mode: (well i was trying to get a vnc graphic install working, but sigh, never did) at line 805 comment out: #if (display_mode == 'g' and method and # (method.startswith('ftp://') or # method.startswith('http://') or # method.startswith('hd://') or # method.startswith('oldhd://'))): # dup_log(_("Graphical installation not available for %s installs. " # "Starting text mode.") % (string.split(method, ':')[0],)) # display_mode = 't' # time.sleep(2) we're done with the RPMs, no need to xfer them: mv /b/installer/whitebox/var/cache/yum\ /b/installer/whitebox.var.cache.yum i had my customer do this on the new machines: boot knoppix3.4 CD. launch terminal window. Xvnc :1& DISPLAY=:1 xterm& so i could do the rest myself: (find new machine's DHCP interaction in server log) (ssh to firewall with port forwards for new machines) (attach vncviewer) parted (telling disk druid to format partitions will hang, do it here now) mkpartfs primary ext2 0 9000 (/) mkpartfs primary ext2 9000 10025 (installer, then swap) mkpartfs primary ext2 10025 (/v) mkdir -p /b/installer/whitebox mkdir -p /v mount /dev/hda2 /b/installer/whitebox mount /dev/hda3 /v mkdir -p /v/iso/whitebox rsync -vSPaxessh :/b/iso/whitebox/\ /v/iso/whitebox rsync -vSPazessh :/b/installer/whitebox/\ /b/installer/whitebox cp -b /etc/resolv.conf /b/installer/whitebox/etc/resolv.conf umount /v chroot /b/installer/whitebox mount -n -t proc /proc /proc LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 /usr/lib/python2.2/pdb.py /usr/sbin/anaconda --headless --text --method=hd:///dev/hda3:ext2/iso/whitebox work with installed system before booting: mkdir /a1 mount /dev/hda1 /a1 chroot /a1 edit /etc/fstab for the following changes: revert the installer to my swap partition: parted rm 2 mkpartfs primary linux-swap i really wanted ext3, but knoppix parted wouldn't do it: tune2fs -j /dev/hda1 tune2fs -j /dev/hda3 why not run yum update before booting: rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY-whitebox yum update implant other config stuff, then boot! bon appetit, greg _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 12 13:40:47 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] install whitebox via knoppix! In-Reply-To: <1100285351.24696.24881.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> References: <1091112386.4720.66181.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> <20040729161250.GE9766@wookimus.net> <1091127214.950.863.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> <20040729201805.GB18290@wookimus.net> <1100285351.24696.24881.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> Message-ID: <20041112194047.GA23075@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Nov 12 14:04:56 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any trouble with FC3 RPM's on CD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've installed FC3 on my laptop (ThinkPad 600X), along with another OS from a uhm... major software vendor. Anyway, I did a desktop install because I want to write The C0m4l33t N00b's Guide to Installing Fc3 on the 600X, for both of the other people interested in such a thing. So I install using the first two CD's of four CD-RW discs I burned. Everything goes as expected. (Discs burned on a desktop machine. The 600X has a Toshiba DVD-ROM that seems to read CD-RW just fine.) I then log in, pop in CD1 and autorun it in order to add packages (like gcc et al). I select the packages, it starts to install, quickly asks for disc 2 and balks at it. It says it cannot read disc 2 even though I can browse it quite nicely thanks, right from the desktop. Any ideas on what's going wrong? Permissions? Any logs I should check? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri Nov 12 19:31:41 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new Treo 650 In-Reply-To: References: <41943581.9050301@info9.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Mike Miller wrote: >> Definitely going to add the 1 GB Lexar 32x SD card.... > > Wow - we can get a 1 GB card for less than $60 after rebate. I've been > getting by on 256 MB. Correcting my earlier statement: The 1GB Lexar card that costs $58 after rebate is a 1x card, not a 32x card. The 32x card (32 times as fast!) is selling for about $90 (it lists for $400, supposedly, but that is just silly). Thanks to Tom Marble for pointing that out. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ajensen4 at charter.net Sat Nov 13 09:17:12 2004 From: ajensen4 at charter.net (ajensen4@charter.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless in Suse 9.2 Message-ID: <3k582s$cm1q28@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> Hi I am new to Linux and could use some advice on configuring wireless network cards for Linux. Is there any cards on the market that are easy to configure are they all a pain?. I am using suse 9.2 and there are very few choices to pick from under the install wireless menu. I would be grateful for any help with this subject . Allan Jensen _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skriefal at visi.com Sat Nov 13 12:54:17 2004 From: skriefal at visi.com (Scott Kriefall) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Any trouble with FC3 RPM's on CD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <419603F9.20149.44EE95E1@localhost> On 12 Nov 2004 at 14:04, cschumann@twp-llc.com wrote: > I then log in, pop in CD1 and autorun it in order to add packages (like > gcc et al). I select the packages, it starts to install, quickly asks for > disc 2 and balks at it. It says it cannot read disc 2 even though I can > browse it quite nicely thanks, right from the desktop. > > Any ideas on what's going wrong? Permissions? Any logs I should check? Might be related to the problem described here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-November/msg01283.html Scott _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kc0iog at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 21:52:39 2004 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Allowing a user to change permissions Message-ID: <2c6699da041114195265966b47@mail.gmail.com> I'm setting up a web server with a PHP script to create directories through an admin interface. Once the directories are created, I want to change the ownership and permissions of the newly created directory tree. I have a script to do it, but it requires root to run it. I know there are tools like sudo to help with this, but I'm not familiar enough with make-me-root tools to get this to work. What's a good way to allow a user to change permissions in directories they otherwise have permissions to? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com Sun Nov 14 22:34:37 2004 From: patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com (Pat) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Allowing a user to change permissions In-Reply-To: <2c6699da041114195265966b47@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da041114195265966b47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <419831DD.9030308@ip-wizard.com> Brian Wall wrote: > I have a script to do it, but it requires root to run it. I know > there are tools like sudo to help with this, but I'm not familiar > enough with make-me-root tools to get this to work. What's a good way > to allow a user to change permissions in directories they otherwise > have permissions to? > > -Brian > Here's a pretty good starting point for sudo for you- http://www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/sudo.htm -- Pat _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Nov 14 22:59:41 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411150459.iAF4xfL24556@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Power Macintosh 7300/200 Free for the taking. Power Macintosh 7300/200. Complete and in working condition, Also has a 10/100 LAN card installed. Plus if you like I have a Monitor for it. Seller Email address: ryan at ccconsulting dot biz http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 02:03:25 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless in Suse 9.2 In-Reply-To: <3k582s$cm1q28@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3k582s$cm1q28@mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <9d6c825304111400035fe4e524@mail.gmail.com> Pay close attention to the chipset and do a quick Google search on the chipset and linux in the search. I'm using a USB prism2 chipset device that doesn't configure easily (iwconfig doesn't work) I have to use the linux-wlan-ng program but once I set it up, I don't change the settings very often. I'm running Debian unstable. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From djb at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 12 10:39:54 2004 From: djb at tc.umn.edu (Dave Bianchi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCSA meeting November 18 Message-ID: The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. ----- Next Meeting: Topic: Network and Application Performance Management Speaker: Ken Czekaj, Principal Systems Engineer, NetScout Systems Date/Time: November 18, 2004 7:00 pm Location: France Place Synopsis: Ken from NetScout will discuss the challenges of Network and Application Performance Management in today's Complex Business Infrastructures. Check out NetScout at http://www.netscout.com/ Note: Due to a scheduling mistake (my fault), Apple will have their briefing for TCSA in December. About the Speaker: Ken has been working in Network and Application Performance for over six years while employed by NetScout Systems. He has assisted some of the country's largest organizations in this field including General Motors, Target, W.W. Grainger, and the Chicago Mercantile Exchange to name a few. We will meet at the France Place Building, 3601 Minnesota Drive, in a conference room one floor down from street level on level "P" (underground Parking). Our conference room will be the first one that you see. Tentative Meeting Schedule December 16, 2004 Apple Computer Briefing January 20, 2005 Directions: The France Place Building is at 3601 Minnesota Drive on the northeast corner of Hwy 494 and France Avenue in the Bloomington business district. From 494, go north on France Ave. to Minnesota Drive (the first streetlight north of 494). Take a right (east) onto Minnesota Drive and immediately take another right into the parking lot. The building sign is visible from 494 and shares a parking lot with Fuddruckers. France Place is a nine story brown brick building. - Parking Free parking is available in the main lot. - Web map is at: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?address=3601+minnesota+drive&city=bloomington&state=mn&zipcode=55435 For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS mailing lists, follow the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS link from: http://list.onvoy.com/ For any other information, please send email to: djb@tc.umn.edu or contact: Dave Bianchi 651-260-1770 -- Dave Bianchi djb@tc.umn.edu 651-260-1770 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 11:26:28 2004 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast TOS In-Reply-To: References: <004201c4c85b$19fc70d0$0439a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: <914f813c04111509261ae928d8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:26:43 -0600 (CST), Mike Miller wrote: > On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Joseph Key wrote: > > >> You still have the problem that AOL won't accept your e-mail! What > >> happens if you fake the From header and stick a Reply-To in there? > > > > Won't work, the system checks the ip address of the incoming connection. > > I had one mail server that just disconnects before my mail server can > > even get the HELO in. > > I see. What happens if you use Comcast's mail relay? Other people > suggested that, but I don't remember if you told us the outcome. AFAIK, this is actually the way a mail server is supposed to be set up (when hosted from home, at least.) If this is done, the mail will go through fine (assuming Comcast's SMTP server's aren't blacklisted for some reason.) John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Mon Nov 15 16:49:34 2004 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry W) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun to Give Out Operating System for Free Message-ID: <4199327E.2090100@comcast.net> Found this article on Excite.com news About Sun Solaris 10 http://apnews.excite.com/article/20041115/D86CA3700.html Jerry _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Mon Nov 15 17:27:24 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun to Give Out Operating System for Free In-Reply-To: <4199327E.2090100@comcast.net> References: <4199327E.2090100@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Jerry W wrote: > Found this article on Excite.com news > About Sun Solaris 10 > http://apnews.excite.com/article/20041115/D86CA3700.html I have been running SunOS/Solaris on at least one of my computers for about 10 years now. Right now I'm still running Solaris 8. My reaction to this new report on free Solaris 10 is that I still plan to move all of my work, as much as possible anyway, to Linux in the near future. Solaris is very solid, but I don't know why I would prefer it to Linux - can anyone tell me? For one, I have purchased computers and components from Sun Microsystems in the past and they really priced them high. With Linux on a good Intel system, you can get a lot more bang for the buck. They think that by selling their OS for free, they will be able to sell more of their servers. Well, I'll never buy another one. I think they waited too long to do this and it's just too late for them. Best, Mike -- Michael B. Miller, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Division of Epidemiology and Community Health and Institute of Human Genetics University of Minnesota http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ajensen4 at charter.net Mon Nov 15 18:21:10 2004 From: ajensen4 at charter.net (ajensen4@charter.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless in Suse 9.2 Message-ID: <3k70j8$g72r51@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> I did do a search for a card that work with Suse. I checked the bootup log and it said something like "gee dummy you installed a network card with a Texas Instrument based chip set, to bad you did not buy a network card based on the prism chip set since they work with almost all linux based pc`s" So I ordered a SMC 2802w networkcard online, and waits for it to arrive. Thanks Allan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Nov 15 21:53:41 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411160353.iAG3rfG06081@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: IBM RS/6000 with SSA Disk Tower I have a IBM RS/6000 43P Model 150 604e 375MHz IBM AIX version 5.1 or Version 4.32 Installed on it already. The SSA Disk Tower is a 7133-600 it has 16 4.5GB SCSI Hard Drive's in it. Complete with an IBM P202 21" monitor for $600.00. Seller Email address: ryan at ccconsulting dot biz http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Tue Nov 16 00:25:20 2004 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (Jason Reynolds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Cisco Message-ID: <200411160625.iAG6PVM2025285@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Tue Nov 16 01:08:49 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Cisco In-Reply-To: <200411160625.iAG6PVM2025285@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> References: <200411160625.iAG6PVM2025285@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: <4447.192.168.100.2.1100588929.squirrel@192.168.100.2> Give a call to MPC (Material Processing Corporation) in Eagan and see what they have available. > I know this is off topic, but you're a smart bunch. I have been watching > ebay for 2501 routers and whatnot for Cisco Certifications. Is there > anywhere local that is a good source for used Cisco equipment or where I > could buy a rack to mount this equipment in my home. > > > > Jason Reynolds > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Tue Nov 16 07:47:27 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (TOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wrong time via ftp, correct time in bios and system Message-ID: Hello all, I have the time set correctly on my Fedora server. When I run "date" the correct time is displayed and in the bios the time is correct, but when I connect via ftp, I see the timestamp on files I have just modified is approx 6 hours in the future. Any ideas? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Tue Nov 16 07:42:52 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Cisco In-Reply-To: <200411160625.iAG6PVM2025285@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> References: <200411160625.iAG6PVM2025285@ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: I have 2 local companies (Bloomington and Minnetonka) that deal in new and used cisco gear. I've been using one of them for about 6 years now. I'll e-mail you off-list with my contacts (Steve & Steve). On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Jason Reynolds wrote: > I know this is off topic, but you're a smart bunch. I have been watching > ebay for 2501 routers and whatnot for Cisco Certifications. Is there > anywhere local that is a good source for used Cisco equipment or where I > could buy a rack to mount this equipment in my home. > > > > Jason Reynolds > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter.chase at epredix.com Tue Nov 16 08:02:53 2004 From: peter.chase at epredix.com (Peter Chase) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun to Give Out Operating System for Free Message-ID: What this article doesn't say, that I've read on many other sites, http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5450749.html for instance, is that they are only giving away the x86 version for free. That means you should be able to run it on your lower priced Intel box. -Pete -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mike Miller Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 5:27 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Sun to Give Out Operating System for Free On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Jerry W wrote: > Found this article on Excite.com news > About Sun Solaris 10 > http://apnews.excite.com/article/20041115/D86CA3700.html I have been running SunOS/Solaris on at least one of my computers for about 10 years now. Right now I'm still running Solaris 8. My reaction to this new report on free Solaris 10 is that I still plan to move all of my work, as much as possible anyway, to Linux in the near future. Solaris is very solid, but I don't know why I would prefer it to Linux - can anyone tell me? For one, I have purchased computers and components from Sun Microsystems in the past and they really priced them high. With Linux on a good Intel system, you can get a lot more bang for the buck. They think that by selling their OS for free, they will be able to sell more of their servers. Well, I'll never buy another one. I think they waited too long to do this and it's just too late for them. Best, Mike -- Michael B. Miller, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Division of Epidemiology and Community Health and Institute of Human Genetics University of Minnesota http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Nov 16 08:08:09 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wrong time via ftp, correct time in bios and system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041116140809.GA17295@refried.org> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 07:47:27AM -0600, TOm wrote: > I have the time set correctly on my Fedora server. When I run "date" the > correct time is displayed and in the bios the time is correct, but when I > connect via ftp, I see the timestamp on files I have just modified is approx > 6 hours in the future. Any ideas? Check your timezone settings. It sounds like one is in CDT and one is in GMT. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Nov 16 08:32:59 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wrong time via ftp, correct time in bios and system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041116143258.GA28949@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 07:47:27AM -0600, TOm wrote: > I have the time set correctly on my Fedora server. When I run "date" > the correct time is displayed and in the bios the time is correct, but > when I connect via ftp, I see the timestamp on files I have just > modified is approx 6 hours in the future. Any ideas? What do you think should be correct? Perhaps you think it's correct, and it's not. Another idea is fo you to search the HOWTOs at tldp.org. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 16 08:51:38 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wrong time via ftp, correct time in bios and system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, TOm wrote: > I have the time set correctly on my Fedora server. When I run "date" > the correct time is displayed and in the bios the time is correct, but > when I connect via ftp, I see the timestamp on files I have just > modified is approx 6 hours in the future. Any ideas? Many (all?) FTP servers will change the time to GMT when displaying dates and such. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 16 11:21:47 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam faxes via hylafax? Message-ID: <200411161121.47826@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> The first question, is spam faxing just illegal or are there some loop holes for things? The second question, any have a strategy for blocking spam faxes under hylafax? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Tue Nov 16 11:28:41 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam faxes via hylafax? In-Reply-To: <200411161121.47826@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200411161121.47826@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Bob Tanner wrote: > The first question, is spam faxing just illegal or are there some loop holes > for things? > > The second question, any have a strategy for blocking spam faxes under > hylafax? OCR the TIFF file and pipe it into spamc? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Nov 16 11:54:53 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam faxes via hylafax? In-Reply-To: <200411161121.47826@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 11:21:47AM -0600 References: <200411161121.47826@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20041116115453.A20202@thinkunix.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > The first question, is spam faxing just illegal or are there some loop holes > for things? Shouldn't those be easier to track down then email spam? Doesn't your fax machine/software print the number the message came from on the fax? A quick call to Qwest or your local phone company and they should be able to tell you where the fax originated. Call them up and tell them to stop it. I had received some spam fax at a business once but it at least had a number one could call to "make it stop". I called, and surprisingly they stopped. YMMV. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Tue Nov 16 13:33:12 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware Message-ID: Yes, I get all of my news exclusively from Slashdot. The short of it is that Pat has what appears to be a serious health problem. As the resident Slackware bigot, I feel that something must be done. And I think he's originally from Moorhead, so he's a TCLUG member in spirit. Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or something more? Fargo's not that far away... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Tue Nov 16 14:13:14 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419A5F5A.9040401@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Adam Maloney wrote: | Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or something | more? Fargo's not that far away... I cut my teeth on "The Slack" so you can count me in. - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBml9aiwhv4FBqkV8RAmmSAJ99towkr+CI/UZdAUBz5UTYoUjqMQCfXCZp DS0iMFEh6MMUS5crxKhFOzA= =VNx6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Nov 16 14:17:06 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <419A5F5A.9040401@druswanderings.net> References: <419A5F5A.9040401@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20041116201706.GE17295@refried.org> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 02:13:14PM -0600, The Wandering Dru wrote: > Adam Maloney wrote: > > | Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or something > | more? Fargo's not that far away... > > I cut my teeth on "The Slack" so you can count me in. As did I. I'll sign it. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Tue Nov 16 14:18:56 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam faxes via hylafax? In-Reply-To: <200411161121.47826@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200411161121.47826@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1100636336.419a60b0734ac@joshwelch.com> Quoting Bob Tanner : > The first question, is spam faxing just illegal or are there some loop holes > for things? As I understand it, the law is quite explicit about junk faxing, far more than with junk email. It is not allowed, period. The legislation is the telephone consumer protection act, TCPA (not afffiliated with Microsoft ;), and I've had good luck using it as a club along with irrational arm waving and lawsuit threats for when they _just_ _will_ _not_ _stop_. One of the provisions of the TCPA, IIRC, was a $1000.00 civil penalty per fax, meaning that the junk fax receiver would get the loot. TCPA related links: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/unwantedfaxes.html http://www.junkfax.org > The second question, any have a strategy for blocking spam faxes under > hylafax? > Hmm, sort of a RBL for faxing? I've not seen such a beastie. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 14:27:37 2004 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would sign such a card. Weather or not you like Slackware, you should respect what he has done for the Linux community. Even if such a card cant be passed around to everyone, perhaps a "digital card" with people's names would be nice. Ill pass this on the the SCALUG, being a little closer, and see if anyone there wants to chip in on this. Jay On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:33:12 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: > Yes, I get all of my news exclusively from Slashdot. > > The short of it is that Pat has what appears to be a serious health > problem. As the resident Slackware bigot, I feel that something must be > done. And I think he's originally from Moorhead, so he's a TCLUG member > in spirit. > > Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or something > more? Fargo's not that far away... > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 14:33:09 2004 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun to Give Out Operating System for Free In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <307a337f04111612332a297a61@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:02:53 -0600, Peter Chase wrote: > What this article doesn't say, that I've read on many other sites, > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5450749.html for instance, is that > they are only giving away the x86 version for free. That means you > should be able to run it on your lower priced Intel box. > > -Pete I hope the HCL is a lot more comprehensive. Linux will run on almost any x86 gear whereas Solaris won't. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lcojiml at yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 14:36:57 2004 From: lcojiml at yahoo.com (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <20041116201706.GE17295@refried.org> Message-ID: <20041116203657.35400.qmail@web13811.mail.yahoo.com> count me in! --- nate@refried.org wrote: > On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 02:13:14PM -0600, The > Wandering Dru wrote: > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > | Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well > Soon card, or something > > | more? Fargo's not that far away... > > > > I cut my teeth on "The Slack" so you can count me > in. > > As did I. I'll sign it. > > Nate > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: > http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test > http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue Nov 16 14:50:12 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wrong time via ftp, correct time in bios and system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419A6804.1020509@veldy.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyj27 at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 14:57:32 2004 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1469cda20411161257fcbc5de@mail.gmail.com> sign me up! On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:27:37 -0600, slushpupie@gmail.com wrote: > I would sign such a card. Weather or not you like Slackware, you > should respect what he has done for the Linux community. Even if such > a card cant be passed around to everyone, perhaps a "digital card" > with people's names would be nice. Ill pass this on the the SCALUG, > being a little closer, and see if anyone there wants to chip in on > this. > > Jay > > > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:33:12 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: > > Yes, I get all of my news exclusively from Slashdot. > > > > The short of it is that Pat has what appears to be a serious health > > problem. As the resident Slackware bigot, I feel that something must be > > done. And I think he's originally from Moorhead, so he's a TCLUG member > > in spirit. > > > > Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or something > > more? Fargo's not that far away... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 15:05:26 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67f3084a04111613052f7d5db5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:33:12 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: > Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or something > more? Fargo's not that far away... Definately, count me in! I'm a Slack bigot as well. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Tue Nov 16 17:02:35 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (TOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wrong time via ftp, correct time in bios and system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The server is set to Central time and is showing 5:01 (it is 5:01 right now) My desktop is set to central time and is showing me 5:01. Via ftp, I get a whole nother time. Maybe the ftp server is set to display GMT. I will look into that. Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dworden at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 16:27:24 2004 From: dworden at gmail.com (David Worden) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun to Give Out Operating System for Free In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:02:53 -0600, Peter Chase wrote: > What this article doesn't say, that I've read on many other sites, > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5450749.html for instance, is that > they are only giving away the x86 version for free. That means you > should be able to run it on your lower priced Intel box. > > -Pete > Think driver support (or rather lack thereof)............ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Tue Nov 16 18:13:44 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041117001344.GA29425@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 01:33:12PM -0600, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or something > more? Fargo's not that far away... > I'm in. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Tue Nov 16 17:45:32 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <67f3084a04111613052f7d5db5@mail.gmail.com> References: <67f3084a04111613052f7d5db5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1100648733.15729.44.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> I'm in! On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 15:05 -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:33:12 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: > > > Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or something > > more? Fargo's not that far away... > > > Definately, count me in! I'm a Slack bigot as well. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at cmulcahy.com Tue Nov 16 18:28:35 2004 From: tclug at cmulcahy.com (Chris) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Independent Consultant? Message-ID: <1100651314.9420.11.camel@gentoobox> Greetings! I have a Gentoo box up and running quite well. It's a hefty set of hardware: Athlon 64 3200+ @ 2.2GHz 2GB (2x1GB) memory 2x200GB SATA mirror drives etc. I'm running it full 64-bit. Most everything works as expected, though there are some issues running 32-bit binary plugins for Firefox 64-bit. OpenOffice-Ximian does not work, though the standard OpenOffice does. Simple things. I do have a few remaining niggling issues I'm trying to overcome. I'm looking for someone that would be willing to come to my home in Prior Lake and work with me to overcome them. I would prefer an independent consultant, though a Linux consulting firm would be fine, though I'm looking for setting something up on a Saturday since I work full time. Anyone interested in helping out? If so, please email me at tclug@mx-record.com so we can discuss offline. So you know the types of issues I'm encountering, I've included my list as it stands of items I have been working on as I get time. I would like to work with someone to overcome these issues and help me to understand the solutions. I have been using Linux on the desktop exclusively for well over a year (Libranet and Debian in the past, Gentoo now) and have been running a Linux server for DB development for many years. Obviously, I'd prefer to work with someone with a good understanding of as many of these items as possible. We can discuss offline. Thanks, Chris Here's the list: High priorities: * Remote access from MEPIS to Gentoo box (remote desktop as easy as possible) * insmod nvidia & (which file automatically loads these?) * ALSA setup for use between multiple users (general stabilization needed) * SANE setup for HP PSC2210 (it was working with Libranet 32-bit after some major hassle) * Setup of USB devices, specifically USB Key Drives (printer & camera working, USB disk not) * SAMBA setup for XP box (not authenticating) * CUPS setup for Mepis box (SAMBA related?) * CUPS setup for consistency between users/reboots (sometimes does not print, privs?) Low priorities: * etc-update assistance (basic introduction to house-keeping using Portage's etc-update) * Assistance with clean-up of GDM sessions / brief intro to relevant files (many config files, what is what?) * cron issue for squid log analysis (cron job does not run) * Review of kernel build Bonus: * Figure out laptop reboot/crash issues * RAID 0 or extra drive space (I have a RAID-0 Promise card, second drive not used, though is recognized) * Extra video card "fun stuff" (remote control, etc) * Setup of GNOME?? * Directory synchronization between laptop/desktop (obvious) * Audio encoding questions * Encrypted userland FS * Review of make.conf file, particularly the USE flags * x.org setup, particularly display resolution and mouse driver (prefer USB to present PS/2) * Setup of MONDO Rescue for backup? Another back solution? * hdparm tuning? * gaim/kopete stabilization * eclipse stabilization * Power saving options Extra Bonus: * Installation of Oracle 10g (or a 9 version) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Tue Nov 16 21:45:54 2004 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Cisco In-Reply-To: <4447.192.168.100.2.1100588929.squirrel@192.168.100.2> Message-ID: <000f01c4cc57$f13463a0$0439a8c0@Kurama> The Box Shop in New Hope had two racks for mounting equipment. Joseph Key -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Krueger Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:09 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT Cisco Give a call to MPC (Material Processing Corporation) in Eagan and see what they have available. > I know this is off topic, but you're a smart bunch. I have been watching > ebay for 2501 routers and whatnot for Cisco Certifications. Is there > anywhere local that is a good source for used Cisco equipment or where I > could buy a rack to mount this equipment in my home. > > > > Jason Reynolds > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Tue Nov 16 22:22:43 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration Message-ID: Hey everyone, Our school district has seen an enormous increase in the number of legitimate and spam email messages in the last year. Compared to October 2003, last month saw an increase of 35% for legitimate email. The number of messages trapped by our spam filters went from 75,000 in October 2003 to over 1,000,000 last month alone. Our existing system, a PowerMac G4 running EIMS (Eudora Internet Mail Server) on OS 9, is buckling under the strain. We have a dual-G5 Xserve on the way and plan to move all of our 2,000 users to Postfix running on OS X. Most of our users are accessing their email via POP, although some are using IMAP. Most of them download their messages to their computers, but quite a few leave them on the server. We also have a mixture of OS 9, OS X, and Windows XP machines around here. I was hoping that some of you may have experience moving a large number of email users from one system to another. What did you do with incoming messages during the transition time? How did you move the mailboxes from the old system to the new one? I'm just hoping to glean some wisdom from the gnarly old mail server admins on the list in order to head off as many problems as possible. Our existing system is on life support and I'm afraid we don't have a lot of time to make this switch. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Nov 16 23:25:36 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411170525.iAH5PaX21200@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Barebones Athlon XP 1700 I have an unused AMD Athlon XP system for sale. Stats: -Athlon XP 1700+ w/ 256MB RAM -Abit KX7-333 motherboard -Leadtek GeForce2 MX video w/ 32MB and 2 VGA outputs for dual-head -Fong Kai FK-320 mid-tower case -Plextor 32x CD-ROM reader, but no SCSI card. No HD, keyboard, mouse, or monitor. The system worked great; the only thing I didn't like was the amount of noise the fans make. I'm selling it because I now dual-boot instead of using a seperate Windows box. Asking $140.00. I can give you the price breakdown I used, but I think it's pretty fair. The CD and RAM are free. Seller Email address: ntraxler at usfamily dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Nov 17 00:24:30 2004 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: (Adam Maloney's message of "Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:33:12 -0600 (CST)") References: Message-ID: Adam Maloney writes: > Yes, I get all of my news exclusively from Slashdot. > > The short of it is that Pat has what appears to be a serious health > problem. As the resident Slackware bigot, I feel that something must > be done. And I think he's originally from Moorhead, so he's a TCLUG > member in spirit. > > Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or something > more? Fargo's not that far away... Slackware was one of the first Linuxes I used, and I still remember it fondly (though I moved on to get binary module installation). I certainly wish Pat well, and would sign a card, or let my name be used on an ecard, or something of the sort. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Pics: Dragaera/Steven Brust: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 00:29:24 2004 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <419A5F5A.9040401@druswanderings.net> References: <419A5F5A.9040401@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:13:14 -0600, The Wandering Dru wrote: > I cut my teeth on "The Slack" so you can count me in. Slack was my first exposure to Linux as well. I am in too. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Wed Nov 17 00:28:51 2004 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration In-Reply-To: (Tim Wilson's message of "Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:22:43 -0600") References: Message-ID: Tim Wilson writes: > I was hoping that some of you may have experience moving a large number of > email users from one system to another. > > What did you do with incoming messages during the transition time? The easiest thing to do with the incoming is *nothing*; just make sure the system won't accept them *and lose them* during the transition. They'll sit perfectly happily on the sending server for at least 3 days (many use 7 days) before bouncing. Otherwise, set up an interim server (or mangle the old server) to accept mail and hold it to deliver when you tell it to. This does protect you against running into trouble and taking more than three days to get the new server up :-). > How did you move the mailboxes from the old system to the new one? However I moved everything else. By copying the files. NFS, or put both disks in the same machine, or tape, mostly (as actual statements about how I've done it, I mean) . -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Pics: Dragaera/Steven Brust: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 00:45:54 2004 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:22:43 -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > What did you do with incoming messages during the transition time? well, this is the beauty of MX records. Build the new system while the old one is still in use, then for a time keep both running and change the MX record in DNS to point to the new server. Obviously this will mean you would need some way of replicating messages from the old system to the new one but this should be fairly trivial (see below). > How did you move the mailboxes from the old system to the new one? I have 0 experience with the server software you are using, but I am guessing there must be some kind of migration tool you can use. If not you can probably script up something to take input from a file where all the users are listed to actually create the mailboxes and users. As far as moving messages, perhaps in the beginning you could set up an NFS share (or whatever mac os9 will let you do) from the old machine and after the DNS has propogated you could set aside a time to just take down the old machine and copy all the data to the new machine. -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Wed Nov 17 01:34:04 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041117073404.GA22090@momentum.poptix.net> On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 10:22:43PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > I was hoping that some of you may have experience moving a large number of > email users from one system to another. To be an ass: root@newbox$ scp root@oldbox:/etc/mail/* /etc/mail/ root@newbox$ /etc/init.d/sendmail start > What did you do with incoming messages during the transition time? Take the domains you're receiving mail for out of your local-domains file, and put them into the relay-domains file so that the existing system acts as a backup MX and queues. > How did you move the mailboxes from the old system to the new one? root@newbox$ ssh root@oldbox tar -cf - /var/spool/mail |tar -xvf - > > I'm just hoping to glean some wisdom from the gnarly old mail server admins > on the list in order to head off as many problems as possible. Our existing > system is on life support and I'm afraid we don't have a lot of time to make > this switch. You should think about the *next* upgrade now, before switching to another broken system. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dtgm at comcast.net Wed Nov 17 03:23:37 2004 From: dtgm at comcast.net (Adam Shrode) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419B1899.90700@comcast.net> Adam Maloney wrote: > Yes, I get all of my news exclusively from Slashdot. > > The short of it is that Pat has what appears to be a serious health > problem. As the resident Slackware bigot, I feel that something must > be done. And I think he's originally from Moorhead, so he's a TCLUG > member in spirit. > > Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or something > more? Fargo's not that far away... Back when I was young I liked using computers. I ran windows 98 and was happy. We didn't have a Mac and I was the only person good with computers that I knew. Not knowing the significance or advantage of Linux, I thought I would try it because it was different and I was a kid. So instead of throwing rocks through abandoned factory windows, I searched and found a place on the internet to download it. I had not one clue what a distribution meant, but had heard something of Slackware was a good "Linux." Me being so young and naive, when searching through the list of linux distributions on ibiblio, I couldn't exactly remember the name and embarassingly downloaded RelaxLinux thinking it was the one. The distribution page had stated development had been suspended with no clear inclination when/if development would be resumed. I didn't realize my mistake until a couple weeks later ::blushes:: I felt stupid. In my defense, relax and slack both have the stir the same connotations ... it's a honest mistake, right? Anyway, when I got around to installing slackware a week or so later I was elated, the install process was so much easier than relaxlinux. Of course my enjoyment was short lived when I happened to type 'vi [enter]' at the command prompt. Needless to say, I have ever since held a special little place in my heart for newbies ... I now use it for my laptop, web server, and ftp box. Thanks for all you have done Pat. I would like to propose creation of a cover page with a dobbshead (all in ASCII of course) and a title. The following pages could have the names of anyone who would like to endorse the "card." _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Nov 17 07:45:49 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Tim Wilson wrote: > I'm just hoping to glean some wisdom from the gnarly old mail server admins > on the list in order to head off as many problems as possible. Our existing > system is on life support and I'm afraid we don't have a lot of time to make > this switch. If illegitimate mail is choking the old mail server, I'd think about routing the mail through the new one, doing spam filtering there, and passing on the "good" mail to the old server, as an interim solution. It might be enough to help you limp by so you can do the actual transition "right." As for the actual transition, I can't really remember anything; I last used EIMS back in 2000 or so. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Wed Nov 17 08:51:23 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100703083.419b656b16f08@joshwelch.com> Quoting Tim Wilson : > Hey everyone, > > Our school district has seen an enormous increase in the number of > legitimate and spam email messages in the last year. Compared to October > 2003, last month saw an increase of 35% for legitimate email. The number of > messages trapped by our spam filters went from 75,000 in October 2003 to > over 1,000,000 last month alone. Our existing system, a PowerMac G4 running > EIMS (Eudora Internet Mail Server) on OS 9, is buckling under the strain. We > have a dual-G5 Xserve on the way and plan to move all of our 2,000 users to > Postfix running on OS X. > > Most of our users are accessing their email via POP, although some are using > IMAP. Most of them download their messages to their computers, but quite a > few leave them on the server. We also have a mixture of OS 9, OS X, and > Windows XP machines around here. > > I was hoping that some of you may have experience moving a large number of > email users from one system to another. > > What did you do with incoming messages during the transition time? SMTP is resilient by design. If a server fails to send your server a message because it is offline it should queue the message for another attempted delivery at a later date. I can't recall, but I think Sendmail out of the box will try for five days before bouncing a mesage. Alternatively, you might want to look at having a secondary MX, your ISP might be able to provide this service, that would catch and queue the mail for you while your box is offline. The downside of a secondary MX is that it typically does not have access to your user database, and as such will accept anything sent to your domain, which will then be bounced by your mail server later, rather than rejecting it outright. > How did you move the mailboxes from the old system to the new one? Well, if I am thinking right you will have mailboxes and a spool queue to deal with. The spool queue being where mail is dropped by your MTA, and the mailboxes being the various IMAP folders. My experience on the MTA side has been moving from one Sendmail box to another, in which case you simply take down sendmail so no more messages are being dropped into the spool queue and then copy the spool queue from machine A to machine B. Netcat or rsync handle this quite nicely. I'm not sure how this will translate for your move. My experience from the mailbox side has been moving from uwimap on one box to uwimap on another, so there is no issue with mailbox formats, so just copy the home dir from A to B. What are you going to be using for your POP3/IMAP server on the new machine? Look into the possible mailbox format differences. > I'm just hoping to glean some wisdom from the gnarly old mail server admins > on the list in order to head off as many problems as possible. Our existing > system is on life support and I'm afraid we don't have a lot of time to make > this switch. > I don't know that I qualify as a gnarly old mail admin, but hopefully this gives you something to think about. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Nov 17 08:58:00 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:27:37 -0600 wrote: > I would sign such a card. Weather or not you like Slackware, you > should respect what he has done for the Linux community. Even if > such a card cant be passed around to everyone, perhaps a "digital > card" with people's names would be nice. Ill pass this on the the > SCALUG, being a little closer, and see if anyone there wants to chip > in on this. Great idea, I'd be happy to add my signature. I also copied NORLUG - I believe Chip Cuccio even knows Pat somewhat personally, maybe he has more information about what's going on??? Josh > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:33:12 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney > wrote: > > Yes, I get all of my news exclusively from Slashdot. > > > > The short of it is that Pat has what appears to be a serious > > health problem. As the resident Slackware bigot, I feel that > > something must be done. And I think he's originally from > > Moorhead, so he's a TCLUG member in spirit. > > > > Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or > > something more? Fargo's not that far away... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: > > http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test > > http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > scalug-list mailing list > scalug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/scalug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Wed Nov 17 09:36:12 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041117153612.GA21318@callisto> You can count me in as well. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From obelin23 at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 09:51:18 2004 From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> Count me in of course. ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt That's Patrick's own long explanation. Basically he's looking for help on finding where he can get long-term treatment with intravenous penicillin. Since the infection is from a bacteria commonly found in dental plaque, I forwarded his email to my wife who works at the oral pathology division of the U of M. So, Pat's looking for help with treatment, and looking for leads with that. Charlie O On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:58:00 -0600, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:27:37 -0600 > wrote: > > > I would sign such a card. Weather or not you like Slackware, you > > should respect what he has done for the Linux community. Even if > > such a card cant be passed around to everyone, perhaps a "digital > > card" with people's names would be nice. Ill pass this on the the > > SCALUG, being a little closer, and see if anyone there wants to chip > > in on this. > > Great idea, I'd be happy to add my signature. > > I also copied NORLUG - I believe Chip Cuccio even knows Pat somewhat > personally, maybe he has more information about what's going on??? > > Josh > > > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:33:12 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney > > wrote: > > > Yes, I get all of my news exclusively from Slashdot. > > > > > > The short of it is that Pat has what appears to be a serious > > > health problem. As the resident Slackware bigot, I feel that > > > something must be done. And I think he's originally from > > > Moorhead, so he's a TCLUG member in spirit. > > > > > > Is anyone interested in doing a TCLUG Get Well Soon card, or > > > something more? Fargo's not that far away... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: > > > http://plone.mn-linux.org > > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test > > > http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jay Kline > > http://www.slushpupie.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > scalug-list mailing list > > scalug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/scalug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From klinej at msoe.edu Wed Nov 17 10:02:32 2004 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Jonathan Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1100707352.2622.20.camel@localhost> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Wed Nov 17 12:09:30 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> I hear ya Charlie. The man needs medical help. I wish I had some lead on that. I don't, so all I can do is put my name on a "Get Well Soon" card. Charlie O wrote: > Count me in of course. > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt > > That's Patrick's own long explanation. Basically he's looking for help > on finding where he can get long-term treatment with intravenous > penicillin. > > Since the infection is from a bacteria commonly found in dental > plaque, I forwarded his email to my wife who works at the oral > pathology division of the U of M. > > So, Pat's looking for help with treatment, and looking for leads with that. > > Charlie O > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Nov 17 14:33:57 2004 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH9 - install crashes References: <001001c4c357$8fe3f970$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <04a801c4cce4$c65a1a20$0201a8c0@office> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Wed Nov 17 15:12:01 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (Garrett Krueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH9 - install crashes In-Reply-To: <04a801c4cce4$c65a1a20$0201a8c0@office> References: <001001c4c357$8fe3f970$0201a8c0@office> <04a801c4cce4$c65a1a20$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <62002.12.47.38.130.1100725921.squirrel@12.47.38.130> I've had a similar problem before though with RH7 and/or RH8. I've run into machines occasionally that would install RH9 but not the previous versions. I've run into others that would install just RH8, and so on. I haven't had time to dig into it and look for a common thread because the easy solution, like you found, is to use a different version. So far, I've not run into problems installing FC2 on anything. > Thought I had better update the list on this one. I did a bunch of > searching on the web and found no real explanations for the crashes. I did > end up flashing a new version of the BIOS ... no change. The system still _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Wed Nov 17 15:42:49 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> Message-ID: It seems that there is significant interest in doing something for Patrick. I would prefer to do something besides a digital card. Either an analog card that we mail/deliver, or something else (Gold-plated Slack '96 CD?). I'm open to ideas from all who replied on what we could do to show our support. I would be willing to take on the task of producing a card (although my creative and artistic skills are very limited). Maybe we can have it available for signing at Real-Time (or somewhere...) If we do a card, I was thinking BIG, like a large piece of tagboard or something. Not some dinky hallmark thing. Hallmark cards are for Debian weenies (sorry, couldn't resist)...all that candy-coated convenience for $2.59... No, we need something bigger, because this is Slackware darnit. We need some Linux/Slack/Dobbs/health related imagery. Like a Dr. Tux with a Dobbs pipe wearing a lab coat and stethoscope. (Or a sexy Nurse Tux?) Someone with mad graphics skillz could do a design, and someone with access to a plotter could print it... But again, no reason to limit ourselves to a get-well card. Other ideas are welcome. I dunno, I'll meditate on it tonight and see what everyone else suggests. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Nov 17 16:19:10 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: ; from adam@whee.org on Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 03:42:49PM -0600 References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20041117161910.A8683@thinkunix.net> Adam Maloney wrote: > It seems that there is significant interest in doing something for > Patrick. I would prefer to do something besides a digital card. Either > an analog card that we mail/deliver, or something else (Gold-plated Slack > '96 CD?). While I like the card idea, I'm thinking all those Dr. bills and travel are adding up. If we can't find him a doctor, ASAP, maybe we can help finance some of his medication or something with a cash donation. I'm not sure how many folks are in the TCLUG, but if each person (voluntarily, of course) donated $5 or more, we'd have some serious cash. I think this is a worthy cause and I'd be willing to coordinate it. In the meantime, spread his story around and see if we can find a doctor. Surely someone knows someone, who knows someone... -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Wed Nov 17 16:29:24 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH9 - install crashes References: <001001c4c357$8fe3f970$0201a8c0@office><04a801c4cce4$c65a1a20$0201a8c0@office> <62002.12.47.38.130.1100725921.squirrel@12.47.38.130> Message-ID: <00b301c4ccf4$e88a97e0$0300000a@net.tsinks> I have been using RH since 5.0. I have at times had difficulty loading the upgrades. I have done raw loads on a blank disk area, also. I am not sure if some of your problems could be associated with the hardware. Most of the situations I have had were precipitated by a missed item or name (i.e. PS/2 mouse instead of the Targus mini mouse) in the hardware. The screen is critical, especially with the new packages. I always try to load in text mode as there are fewer problems based on the hardware. It is easier to fix the hardware after the system is loaded than try to fix it when it blows up on you. You can try different settings as the load process walks through if you use the manual and confirm the critical hardware ID's and names. Sometimes the associated name or manufacturer is the one to use if it is a 'side bar' or 'made by' vender. ( some cards use a general package and it is better than the named vender package, chip, etc. ) It is also easier to change the boot and package items after the load. The RH9 likes to put in the grub or other boot package. I put it to boot to the regular login and then use the startx for this. If there are problems, the grub will lock you into the gui screen which can be the root of many problems and you can't break out of it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Nov 17 16:50:26 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <20041117161910.A8683@thinkunix.net> References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> <20041117161910.A8683@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <419BD5B2.2030702@redconcepts.net> Scot Jenkins wrote: > In the meantime, spread his story around and see if we can find a > doctor. Surely someone knows someone, who knows someone... knowing a doctor, check. knowing a doctor in fargo, hmm... people still live in BFN Fargo? if he has major medical problems and does not have insurance, may i recommend medical vacations? -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Wed Nov 17 19:16:14 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (Robert D. De Mars) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <20041117161910.A8683@thinkunix.net> References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> <20041117161910.A8683@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <419BF7DE.3010204@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Scot Jenkins wrote: > While I like the card idea, I'm thinking all those Dr. bills and travel > are adding up. If we can't find him a doctor, ASAP, maybe we can help > finance some of his medication or something with a cash donation. I'm > not sure how many folks are in the TCLUG, but if each person > (voluntarily, of course) donated $5 or more, we'd have some serious cash. > I think this is a worthy cause and I'd be willing to coordinate it. > > In the meantime, spread his story around and see if we can find a > doctor. Surely someone knows someone, who knows someone... I just got done reading the article Pat posted to -current :( I agree with you. Cash is probably the greatest thing for Pat at the moment. That's not to say the card/other things wouldn't be nice, but helping Pat get healed is important. I like your idea, and I would like to offer my assistance to your "Pat Fundraiser". If you would like help, please e-mail me offlist bob@b-o-b.homelinux.com or call 612-788-4257. I've been out of the loop for a few days, and this is the first I heard about all this. Robert De Mars -- Lat. 45:09n Long. 93:18w http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From obelin23 at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 19:46:01 2004 From: obelin23 at gmail.com (Charlie O) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <419BF7DE.3010204@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> <20041117161910.A8683@thinkunix.net> <419BF7DE.3010204@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <72278d104111717462764ab5b@mail.gmail.com> re Patrick's condition - I had my wife check with one of the doctors at the oral pathology lab at the U of M, and he suggests Patrick find a specialist in infectious diseases. I'm goiing to have her see if she can get specific names, but meanwhile - Does anyone have any leads on names of specialists, or places to check for this kind of specialty on the West Coast? CO2 On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:16:14 -0600, Robert D. De Mars wrote: > Scot Jenkins wrote: > > > > While I like the card idea, I'm thinking all those Dr. bills and travel > > are adding up. If we can't find him a doctor, ASAP, maybe we can help > > finance some of his medication or something with a cash donation. I'm > > not sure how many folks are in the TCLUG, but if each person > > (voluntarily, of course) donated $5 or more, we'd have some serious cash. > > I think this is a worthy cause and I'd be willing to coordinate it. > > > > In the meantime, spread his story around and see if we can find a > > doctor. Surely someone knows someone, who knows someone... > > I just got done reading the article Pat posted to -current :( > I agree with you. Cash is probably the greatest thing for > Pat at the moment. That's not to say the card/other things > wouldn't be nice, but helping Pat get healed is important. > > I like your idea, and I would like to offer my assistance to > your "Pat Fundraiser". If you would like help, please > e-mail me offlist bob@b-o-b.homelinux.com or call > 612-788-4257. > > I've been out of the loop for a few days, and this is the > first I heard about all this. > > Robert De Mars > -- > Lat. 45:09n > Long. 93:18w > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rudie at rudie.net Wed Nov 17 19:26:55 2004 From: rudie at rudie.net (Kevin Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <72278d104111717462764ab5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> <20041117161910.A8683@thinkunix.net> <419BF7DE.3010204@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <72278d104111717462764ab5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:46:01 +0000 Charlie O wrote: > re Patrick's condition - > > I had my wife check with one of the doctors at the oral pathology lab > at the U of M, and he suggests Patrick find a specialist in infectious > diseases. > > I'm goiing to have her see if she can get specific names, but > meanwhile - > > Does anyone have any leads on names of specialists, or places to check > for this kind of specialty on the West Coast? > > CO2 Patrick is in Fargo, not on the West Coast, according to his email text. I wholeheartedly support and would contribute to a get-well sentiment of some sort, and not just because I am a Slackware fan and die-hard user. However, as with legal advice, it's always prudent to seek a second or third opinion with medical advice. I would be willing to contribute to a fund that would allow Patrick to visit the U of M, if that's what he would desire. Some hotel accomodation and travel expense. I don't know his condition, financial or health, but if I were that ill, I would prefer to be somewhere other than small-town Fargo. At the U, we have one of the best medical centers within a few states radius, save for Mayo. And I am also assuming that IV Penicillin, long-term, isn't cheap. Anyone who has any inroads with the man, or anyone (Adam?) who is willing to initiate contact with Patrick on the TCLUG's behalf may wish to discuss this with him. I can donate a significant amount more than $5 to help him out. -- -Kevin Hinze rudie@rudie.net | rudie@sihope.com hinz0047@tc.umn.edu | http://rudie.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Wed Nov 17 22:37:54 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <72278d104111717462764ab5b@mail.gmail.com> (message from Charlie O on Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:46:01 +0000) References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> <20041117161910.A8683@thinkunix.net> <419BF7DE.3010204@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <72278d104111717462764ab5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200411180437.iAI4bsh25139@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >Charlie O wrote: >re Patrick's condition - >I had my wife check with one of the doctors at the oral pathology lab >at the U of M, and he suggests Patrick find a specialist in infectious >diseases. >Does anyone have any leads on names of specialists, or places to check >for this kind of specialty on the West Coast? Patrick is willing to go anywhere to see the best infectious disease specialists. So, please don't limit it to the west coast. Also, since Patrick is now in Fargo, ND, Mayo Clinic, U of M, and maybe other local clinics should be considered. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Nov 18 07:38:01 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> <20041117161910.A8683@thinkunix.net> <419BF7DE.3010204@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <72278d104111717462764ab5b@mail.gmail.com> <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Kevin Hinze wrote: > Anyone who has any inroads with the man, or anyone (Adam?) who is > willing to initiate contact with Patrick on the TCLUG's behalf may wish > to discuss this with him. I can donate a significant amount more than $5 > to help him out. -- I've never spoken with him directly, but I will play liaison if that's alright with everyone. I will let him know there is strong support from TCLUG, and that we are wondering what we can do to help financially, transportationally, or accomodationally. If it comes down to getting treatment at the U, I would be willing to pick him and any personal affects up from Fargo. If need be, I can probably arrange a free apartment for a month if he does get treated here and needs to stay nearby for awhile after treatment. Anyways, I will send him an e-mail later today and follow-up with the group. I'm really happy to see all of the support from everyone here. You guys are all class-acts in my book. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Thu Nov 18 08:15:53 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> <20041117161910.A8683@thinkunix.net> <419BF7DE.3010204@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <72278d104111717462764ab5b@mail.gmail.com> <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> Message-ID: <419CAE99.8010109@eworld3.net> Would it be ok to get his pay-pal (or similar) info and send donations there? Kevin Hinze wrote: > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:46:01 +0000 > Charlie O wrote: > > >>re Patrick's condition - >> >>I had my wife check with one of the doctors at the oral pathology lab >>at the U of M, and he suggests Patrick find a specialist in infectious >>diseases. >> >>I'm goiing to have her see if she can get specific names, but >>meanwhile - >> >>Does anyone have any leads on names of specialists, or places to check >>for this kind of specialty on the West Coast? >> >>CO2 > > > Patrick is in Fargo, not on the West Coast, according to his email text. > > I wholeheartedly support and would contribute to a get-well sentiment of > some sort, and not just because I am a Slackware fan and die-hard user. > However, as with legal advice, it's always prudent to seek a second or > third opinion with medical advice. I would be willing to contribute to a > fund that would allow Patrick to visit the U of M, if that's what he > would desire. Some hotel accomodation and travel expense. > > I don't know his condition, financial or health, but if I were that ill, > I would prefer to be somewhere other than small-town Fargo. At the U, we > have one of the best medical centers within a few states radius, save > for Mayo. And I am also assuming that IV Penicillin, long-term, isn't > cheap. > > Anyone who has any inroads with the man, or anyone (Adam?) who is > willing to initiate contact with Patrick on the TCLUG's behalf may wish > to discuss this with him. I can donate a significant amount more than $5 > to help him out. > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rhett_76 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 08:23:38 2004 From: rhett_76 at yahoo.com (Rhett Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> Message-ID: <20041118142338.70967.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> I realise I'm a linux newbie and I have no experience with slackware Linux, however with this kind of interest I'm sure you could market some sort of event to help raise funds for the the man's illness. Why not hold an installfest and request a donation from participants? Such an event could accomplish both spreading linux (which I'm sure is dear to Volkerding), and raising money for him. Just a thought, -rhett --- Kevin Hinze wrote: > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:46:01 +0000 > Charlie O wrote: > > > re Patrick's condition - > > > > I had my wife check with one of the doctors at the oral > pathology lab > > at the U of M, and he suggests Patrick find a > specialist in infectious > > diseases. > > > > I'm goiing to have her see if she can get specific > names, but > > meanwhile - > > > > Does anyone have any leads on names of specialists, or > places to check > > for this kind of specialty on the West Coast? > > > > CO2 > > Patrick is in Fargo, not on the West Coast, according to > his email text. > > I wholeheartedly support and would contribute to a > get-well sentiment of > some sort, and not just because I am a Slackware fan and > die-hard user. > However, as with legal advice, it's always prudent to > seek a second or > third opinion with medical advice. I would be willing to > contribute to a > fund that would allow Patrick to visit the U of M, if > that's what he > would desire. Some hotel accomodation and travel expense. > > I don't know his condition, financial or health, but if I > were that ill, > I would prefer to be somewhere other than small-town > Fargo. At the U, we > have one of the best medical centers within a few states > radius, save > for Mayo. And I am also assuming that IV Penicillin, > long-term, isn't > cheap. > > Anyone who has any inroads with the man, or anyone > (Adam?) who is > willing to initiate contact with Patrick on the TCLUG's > behalf may wish > to discuss this with him. I can donate a significant > amount more than $5 > to help him out. > > -- > -Kevin Hinze > > rudie@rudie.net | rudie@sihope.com > hinz0047@tc.umn.edu | http://rudie.net > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: > http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test > http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ===== One man's struggle to find art in a sea of infomercials. http://www.rhettoric.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Nov 18 08:41:23 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix configuration question Message-ID: <1100788883.11569.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Nov 18 08:55:59 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [HELP] - From TCLUG Message-ID: This is a copy of what I sent to Patrick this morning. Per his instructions I put [HELP] in the subject line to grab attention. Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:54:19 -0600 (CST) From: Adam Maloney To: volkerdi@slackware.com Subject: [HELP] - From TCLUG Patrick, The Twin Cities Linux Users Group has been discussing your situation, and bouncing around ideas on how we can help. There are many TCLUGers that are very interested in doing anything they can for you. As a Moorhead boy, we felt particularly inclined to offer assistance. We have discussed many different ideas on how to help, but in the end, it boils down to what you want. There have been talks of a fundraiser for your medical and other expenses, helping you get care at the U of M or another hospital in the area, and transportation from and to Fargo. We are asking you to please let us know what we can do for you. With such strong support from TCLUG members, I have no doubt that we can make anything happen. You can contact me via e-mail or phone (below). Best Regards, Adam Maloney TCLUG Member [CENSORED] (work) [CENSORED] (cell) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Nov 18 09:18:44 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <419CAE99.8010109@eworld3.net>; from rick@eworld3.net on Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 08:15:53AM -0600 References: <20041117085800.00002eb8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <72278d1041117075161eb73a0@mail.gmail.com> <419B93DA.1070808@eworld3.net> <20041117161910.A8683@thinkunix.net> <419BF7DE.3010204@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <72278d104111717462764ab5b@mail.gmail.com> <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> <419CAE99.8010109@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20041118091844.A21166@thinkunix.net> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > Would it be ok to get his pay-pal (or similar) info and send donations > there? This is a good idea, Adam Maloney, would you include this in your email to Pat today? thanks. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 09:22:26 2004 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <20041118142338.70967.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> <20041118142338.70967.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It sounds like he dosnt really want monetrary donations.. he mostly just wants someone who can help him. Though, if he does find someone, the money might help his treatment. But based on his letter, it sounds like he is not accepting money at this time. But, we could collect donations and give them to some other worthy cause (any of the cancer societies/foundations for example) in his name. On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:23:38 -0800 (PST), Rhett Butler wrote: > I realise I'm a linux newbie and I have no experience with > slackware Linux, however with this kind of interest I'm > sure you could market some sort of event to help raise > funds for the the man's illness. > > Why not hold an installfest and request a donation from > participants? Such an event could accomplish both > spreading linux (which I'm sure is dear to Volkerding), and > raising money for him. > > Just a thought, > > -rhett > > > > > --- Kevin Hinze wrote: > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:46:01 +0000 > > Charlie O wrote: > > > > > re Patrick's condition - > > > > > > I had my wife check with one of the doctors at the oral > > pathology lab > > > at the U of M, and he suggests Patrick find a > > specialist in infectious > > > diseases. > > > > > > I'm goiing to have her see if she can get specific > > names, but > > > meanwhile - > > > > > > Does anyone have any leads on names of specialists, or > > places to check > > > for this kind of specialty on the West Coast? > > > > > > CO2 > > > > Patrick is in Fargo, not on the West Coast, according to > > his email text. > > > > I wholeheartedly support and would contribute to a > > get-well sentiment of > > some sort, and not just because I am a Slackware fan and > > die-hard user. > > However, as with legal advice, it's always prudent to > > seek a second or > > third opinion with medical advice. I would be willing to > > contribute to a > > fund that would allow Patrick to visit the U of M, if > > that's what he > > would desire. Some hotel accomodation and travel expense. > > > > I don't know his condition, financial or health, but if I > > were that ill, > > I would prefer to be somewhere other than small-town > > Fargo. At the U, we > > have one of the best medical centers within a few states > > radius, save > > for Mayo. And I am also assuming that IV Penicillin, > > long-term, isn't > > cheap. > > > > Anyone who has any inroads with the man, or anyone > > (Adam?) who is > > willing to initiate contact with Patrick on the TCLUG's > > behalf may wish > > to discuss this with him. I can donate a significant > > amount more than $5 > > to help him out. > > > > -- > > -Kevin Hinze > > > > rudie@rudie.net | rudie@sihope.com > > hinz0047@tc.umn.edu | http://rudie.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: > > http://plone.mn-linux.org > > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test > > http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > ===== > One man's struggle to find art in a sea of infomercials. > > http://www.rhettoric.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Nov 18 09:25:35 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <20041118142338.70967.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com>; from rhett_76@yahoo.com on Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 06:23:38AM -0800 References: <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> <20041118142338.70967.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041118092535.B21166@thinkunix.net> Rhett Butler wrote: > I realise I'm a linux newbie and I have no experience with > slackware Linux, however with this kind of interest I'm > sure you could market some sort of event to help raise > funds for the the man's illness. welcome to the world of Linux! > Why not hold an installfest and request a donation from > participants? Such an event could accomplish both > spreading linux (which I'm sure is dear to Volkerding), and > raising money for him. While that's a good idea, we just recently had and installfest the end of October. The problem with such an event is always coordination of space to hold one. I think time is a critical factor here given Pat's condition. If someone has space available for free and wants to coordinate a fundraiser/installfest, by all means go for it. Adam Maloney posted earlier today that he is going to email Pat regarding financial contributuions from TCLUG. Depending on how that goes, we'll probably just pick a place/time where folks can drop off cash donations and make one lump sump donation to Pat. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Nov 18 09:13:18 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [HELP] - Pat's Response Message-ID: Here is Pat's response... Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick J. Volkerding To: Adam Maloney Subject: Re: [HELP] - From TCLUG On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > We have discussed many different ideas on how to help, but in the end, it > boils down to what you want. There have been talks of a fundraiser for > your medical and other expenses, helping you get care at the U of M or > another hospital in the area, and transportation from and to Fargo. No need for a fundraiser yet -- I just want to get treatment. I'm at the Mayo Clinic right now, but I'm having a whale of a time convincing them that I've had an infection (probably because it's being held at bay by amoxicillin and so I don't show any signs that they can test for). However, I do have heart problems that I didn't have last week. They told me to quit taking the antibiotics, and about 14 hours later I was as sick as I'd ever been this entire time. At about midnight here in a hotel in Rochester I started taking amoxicillin again, a lot of it. About 5 - 6 grams in all overnight, and now I'm feeling somewhat better again. Anyway, it sure is hard to get people to look at this, even here at what's supposed to be the best medical center in the world. I've rattled chains and now they say they will refer me to an infectious disease specialist... I just hope I can hang on long enough for someone to help. Oh, and I have considered going to the U of M, or the U of WI. Heck, I've even considered going to a vet! When you get to this point, you'll consider anything. I know some people on /. think I'm nuts and that I shouldn't be self-medicating (something I don't do) or trying to figure this out on my own, but a ton of experts have concurred with what I think is going on, but also none of them are close enough to treat me. I'm sure that if I'd blindly followed all the doctors I've seen and not tried to be involved in my own diagnosis and treatment that I would not have made it this long. Thanks for trying to help. :-) Take care, Pat _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From matt at omega.org Thu Nov 18 09:35:39 2004 From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: References: <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> <20041118142338.70967.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7FF3D1A1-3977-11D9-996A-000A95D92230@omega.org> For those who haven't yet seen Pat's Letter... ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/PAT-NEEDS-YOUR- HELP.txt On Nov 18, 2004, at 9:22 AM, wrote: > It sounds like he dosnt really want monetrary donations.. he mostly > just wants someone who can help him. Though, if he does find someone, > the money might help his treatment. But based on his letter, it sounds > like he is not accepting money at this time. But, we could collect > donations and give them to some other worthy cause (any of the cancer > societies/foundations for example) in his name. > > [clip clip] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 10:08:04 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [HELP] - Pat's Response In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67f3084a0411180808ab8aed4@mail.gmail.com> Adam, Thanks for handling the e-mail and such of this. It sounds like Pat is in good spirits given his situation. On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:13:18 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: > Here is Pat's response... > > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:21:06 -0800 (PST) > From: Patrick J. Volkerding > To: Adam Maloney > Subject: Re: [HELP] - From TCLUG > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > > We have discussed many different ideas on how to help, but in the end, it > > boils down to what you want. There have been talks of a fundraiser for > > your medical and other expenses, helping you get care at the U of M or > > another hospital in the area, and transportation from and to Fargo. > > No need for a fundraiser yet -- I just want to get treatment. I'm at the > Mayo Clinic right now, but I'm having a whale of a time convincing them > that I've had an infection (probably because it's being held at bay by > amoxicillin and so I don't show any signs that they can test for). > However, I do have heart problems that I didn't have last week. > > They told me to quit taking the antibiotics, and about 14 hours later I > was as sick as I'd ever been this entire time. At about midnight here in > a hotel in Rochester I started taking amoxicillin again, a lot of it. > About 5 - 6 grams in all overnight, and now I'm feeling somewhat better > again. Anyway, it sure is hard to get people to look at this, even here > at what's supposed to be the best medical center in the world. I've > rattled chains and now they say they will refer me to an infectious > disease specialist... I just hope I can hang on long enough for someone > to help. Oh, and I have considered going to the U of M, or the U of WI. > Heck, I've even considered going to a vet! When you get to this point, > you'll consider anything. > > I know some people on /. think I'm nuts and that I shouldn't be > self-medicating (something I don't do) or trying to figure this out on my > own, but a ton of experts have concurred with what I think is going on, > but also none of them are close enough to treat me. I'm sure that if I'd > blindly followed all the doctors I've seen and not tried to be involved in > my own diagnosis and treatment that I would not have made it this long. > > Thanks for trying to help. :-) > > Take care, > > Pat _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Nov 18 10:34:20 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [HELP] - Pat's Response In-Reply-To: <67f3084a0411180808ab8aed4@mail.gmail.com>; from sfertch@gmail.com on Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 10:08:04AM -0600 References: <67f3084a0411180808ab8aed4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041118103420.A11698@thinkunix.net> Shawn Fertch wrote: > Adam, > Thanks for handling the e-mail and such of this. It sounds like Pat > is in good spirits given his situation. Yeah, thanks Adam. Also sounds as if he wants a doctor more then money, for obvious reasons. I pretty much got that from Pat's original post on the Slackware server, but since I don't know any disease specialists, I thought money might help. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 10:43:51 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [HELP] - Pat's Response In-Reply-To: <20041118103420.A11698@thinkunix.net> References: <67f3084a0411180808ab8aed4@mail.gmail.com> <20041118103420.A11698@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <67f3084a041118084370862055@mail.gmail.com> I'll give a friend of mine a call tonight after I get home. His wife is a lead nurse in a cardiac/respiratory unit in one of the local hospitals, and I'll see what she says. I'm not sure if something positive will come out of it though. He may need to press the doctors a little more in regards to the referral. It sounds like he's gotten a couple of referrals, but beyond that hasn't been good. Hopefully the one in Rochester can help him out. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Thu Nov 18 10:43:26 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix configuration question In-Reply-To: <1100788883.11569.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> References: <1100788883.11569.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <1100796206.419cd12ec4186@joshwelch.com> Quoting Jon Schewe : > I've got a postfix mailserver that's getting a lot of spam (who > doesn't). The problem I'm trying to address is that some spammer sends > a messages to xyz@mydomain.com and xyz doesn't exist on my system, so > postfix generates a bounce message. However the reply-to in the > original message doesn't exist either, so the bounce, bounces back and > eventually ends up in the postmaster mailbox. Is there a way to tell > postfix to reject the message right away when the spammer tries to send > it, so that the bounce message isn't generated? Or to just give up on > bounced bounces? > That seems really odd. I would think that the default for an MTA would be to reject mail which does not have an intended recipient. I am not familiar with Postfix config, but a quick google indicates you should look at your config to see if you have something like so: your_domain.com anything Which would apparently accept anything sent to your_domain.com. Also, is there a secondary MX for your domain that might be catching some mail and forwarding it to you? I used to have some issues with that at work. Occasionally the secondary MX would get some mail and attempt to forward it to our server. Our server would reject it, the secondary MX would bounce it, and the apparent sending domain would bounce the bounce back to us. I stopped using a secondary MX after the virus bounces got really annoying, no need for it really if you have a somewhat reliable mail setup. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Thu Nov 18 10:51:23 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix configuration question In-Reply-To: <1100796206.419cd12ec4186@joshwelch.com> References: <1100788883.11569.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> <1100796206.419cd12ec4186@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Josh Welch wrote: > That seems really odd. I would think that the default for an MTA would be to > reject mail which does not have an intended recipient. I am not familiar with I've never used Postfix, but I wonder if he's doing some sort of queue-first ask questions later config for some reason. It should reject the message during the SMTP transaction like every other intelligent SMTP daemon in the world. MS Exchange is the only one I know of that by default will accept anything to the domain, and bounce it later. I think an MS person once told me that it had something to do with how the SMTP daemon was architected, something about not being able to do the user lookup immediately. This is that world renowned "tight integration" that they keep touting... Anyways, I wonder if this particular Postfix box can't do the user lookup immediately, like this is not the primary MX that handles local delivery or something. I hacked together a Sendmail ruleset that gets run right after the sender issues RCPT TO: to check the validity of a non-local mailbox, but I wouldn't know the first thing about implementing it in Postfix. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 18 11:06:46 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam faxes via hylafax? In-Reply-To: <20041116115453.A20202@thinkunix.net> References: <200411161121.47826@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <20041116115453.A20202@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <200411181106.46518@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Is this topic of interest to anyone else, otherwise I'll take if off list? On Tuesday 16 November 2004 11:54 am, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Bob Tanner wrote: > > The first question, is spam faxing just illegal or are there some loop > > holes for things? > > Shouldn't those be easier to track down then email spam? Should :-) > Doesn't your > fax machine/software print the number the message came from on the fax? Yes, TSI crap can be forged and with the caller-id forge things now, it's pointless. The last bunch of junk faxes we got all had the info forged or faudulant. > I had received some spam fax at a business once but it at least had a > number one could call to "make it stop". I called, and surprisingly > they stopped. YMMV. We are seeing the old spammer trick with junk faxes. You call to get off the list, only to confirm the fax number is legit, and be put on a different junk fax list. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Nov 18 11:17:24 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam faxes via hylafax? Message-ID: Interested! >>> Bob Tanner 11/18/04 11:06AM >>> Is this topic of interest to anyone else, otherwise I'll take if off list? On Tuesday 16 November 2004 11:54 am, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Bob Tanner wrote: > > The first question, is spam faxing just illegal or are there some loop > > holes for things? > > Shouldn't those be easier to track down then email spam? Should :-) > Doesn't your > fax machine/software print the number the message came from on the fax? Yes, TSI crap can be forged and with the caller-id forge things now, it's pointless. The last bunch of junk faxes we got all had the info forged or faudulant. > I had received some spam fax at a business once but it at least had a > number one could call to "make it stop". I called, and surprisingly > they stopped. YMMV. We are seeing the old spammer trick with junk faxes. You call to get off the list, only to confirm the fax number is legit, and be put on a different junk fax list. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hpenner at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 11:42:31 2004 From: hpenner at gmail.com (Harry Penner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam faxes via hylafax? In-Reply-To: <200411181106.46518@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200411161121.47826@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <20041116115453.A20202@thinkunix.net> <200411181106.46518@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <822221bb04111809425199396b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:06:46 -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I had received some spam fax at a business once but it at least had a > > number one could call to "make it stop". I called, and surprisingly > > they stopped. YMMV. > > We are seeing the old spammer trick with junk faxes. You call to get off the > list, only to confirm the fax number is legit, and be put on a different junk > fax list. At this point you've already answered with a fax tone and accepted their transmission... Wouldn't they already know it's a legit fax number? -Harry _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Nov 18 11:41:03 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix configuration question In-Reply-To: References: <1100788883.11569.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> <1100796206.419cd12ec4186@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <200411181141.04094.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Thursday 18 November 2004 10:51 am, Adam Maloney wrote: > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Josh Welch wrote: > > That seems really odd. I would think that the default for an MTA would be > > to reject mail which does not have an intended recipient. I am not > > familiar with > > I've never used Postfix, but I wonder if he's doing some sort of > queue-first ask questions later config for some reason. It should reject > the message during the SMTP transaction like every other intelligent SMTP > daemon in the world. Actually this is how qmail works too. < snip > -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Thu Nov 18 14:01:24 2004 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (Jason Reynolds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Cisco In-Reply-To: <4447.192.168.100.2.1100588929.squirrel@192.168.100.2> Message-ID: <200411181953.iAIJrcDL027475@ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com> I called them and they by contract.... *cries a little* destroy all cisco equipment dropped off. Ohh the humanity. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Garrett Krueger Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:09 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT Cisco Give a call to MPC (Material Processing Corporation) in Eagan and see what they have available. > I know this is off topic, but you're a smart bunch. I have been watching > ebay for 2501 routers and whatnot for Cisco Certifications. Is there > anywhere local that is a good source for used Cisco equipment or where I > could buy a rack to mount this equipment in my home. > > > > Jason Reynolds > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Thu Nov 18 17:32:16 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Filtering spam faxes via hylafax? In-Reply-To: <200411181106.46518@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> References: <200411161121.47826@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> <20041116115453.A20202@thinkunix.net> <200411181106.46518@www.mn-linux.org.or.transmuter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20041118233216.GB2787@momentum.poptix.net> On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 11:06:46AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Doesn't your > > fax machine/software print the number the message came from on the fax? > > Yes, TSI crap can be forged and with the caller-id forge things now, it's > pointless. The last bunch of junk faxes we got all had the info forged or > faudulant. Contrary to popular belief, the number printed on the top of those faxes is NOT gathered via caller-id, it's sent by the remote system. It's the same process you went through when you setup your fax machine. You're essentially looking at the From: address, and we all know how easy it is to forge that. Get a caller-id box, plug it in in-line, watch the real callerid start. Callerid blocked? Call your telephone company to report it. Most states allow you to file in small claims court to recover the $500/fax, and you can file it against the people for whom the fax was sent. > > > I had received some spam fax at a business once but it at least had a > > number one could call to "make it stop". I called, and surprisingly > > they stopped. YMMV. > > We are seeing the old spammer trick with junk faxes. You call to get off the > list, only to confirm the fax number is legit, and be put on a different junk > fax list. Last resort would be to call the telephone company and tell them you're receiving harassing fax calls, and you would like a trace put on the line. They will log inbound calls, phone # (despite callerid blocking), time/date etc. this can then be handed over to the proper authorities or subpoenaed in court. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 17:36:28 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Udev Message-ID: <9d6c825304111815365b6d045@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone used udev with MP3 players? I'm using Debian unstable 2.6.8 with udev & hotplug & gnome-volume-manager. When I plug in my mp3 player I don't see a /dev/usb/mpio. I tried writing a simple rule that matched this: BUS="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}="2735", Name="usb/%k", SYMLINK="usb/mpio2" Even before I added my udev rule, I was able to run a mpiosh program that would initialize with the mp3 player and allow for simple readings but would fail when doing any sort of file transfer. Here is the error: mpio: src/io.c(713): mpio_io_write: libusb returned error: (ffffff92) "error writing to bulk endpoint 1: Connection timed out" mpio: src/fat.c(1002): mpio_fatentry_is_defect: defective block encountered, abort reading! (older models check) I'm not sure if I am having problems with udev, libmpio, or libusb. I found someone on the internet that was able to get the mp3 player to work under Debian. However, I can't tell what I might be missing. Anyone have any ideas where to start? I tried emailing the sourceforge list serve and nobody responded. I thought that some of the underlying libusb stuff is not configured correctly. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Nov 18 22:13:57 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411190413.iAJ4Dv512291@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Samsung 172n 17 inch LCD Monitor (Help Me Please) This is a brand spanking new 17" monitor. It is boxed new, never opened. Color is black. Retail for $400 bucks. will let this one go for $300 cash. In addition to this add, if anyone has working monitors or any system component that I can use to build a computer would you kindly let me know. I volunteer for Minneapolis Library and I would like to donate these wonderful computer parts that we take for granted and leave laying around. I know they're places that do this, but not from a user group such as this. If you like you can find out more @ http://www.friendsofmpl.org/ ohh, and by the way, I think these would be a wonderful way to expose people to the woderful world of Linux. Thank you, Dave Seller Email address: sdalan04 at smumn dot edu http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aladavs at dunwoody.edu Thu Nov 18 22:33:13 2004 From: aladavs at dunwoody.edu (aladavs@dunwoody.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To all TCLUG Users, Please Read! Message-ID: <6AB7D20645D1E345942B8D67BFFF8DCD0154934D@web31.dunwoody.tec.mn.us> I currently volunteer for the Minneapolis Library at Eastlake. I have been doing so for @ least two years. I would like to ask all of you for help to build a few systems w/ Linux of course and to have these give away before Christmas. I know it might sound like time consuming and non-of-us really have time. Well, if you e-mail me I will gladly pick these parts (monitors, cpu's, or complete systems) at your location. I do ask that they be in working order and that they at least be able to work properly (under regular use). I would also like to add, that this be a great way to advertise the other side to TCLUC User's (caring and compassionate). They will be given away with the help of the MPLS Library personel on behalf of all of us. Please, I am not asking for much, just a little help. By the way, I will buy some stuff from TCLUG Store to give away with the CPU Units. If you want to browse the Minneapolis Library Volunteer Site paste this: http://www.friendsofmpl.org/ If you wanna help and would like to please dont hesitate. Warm greetings, David Alanis _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ryan at ccconsulting.biz Thu Nov 18 23:00:41 2004 From: Ryan at ccconsulting.biz (Ryan@ccconsulting.biz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Snort Install Help Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20041118/88a715c5/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Nov 19 05:42:40 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix configuration question In-Reply-To: References: <1100788883.11569.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> <1100796206.419cd12ec4186@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <1100864560.27096.4.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Nov 19 05:41:02 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix configuration question In-Reply-To: <1100796206.419cd12ec4186@joshwelch.com> References: <1100788883.11569.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> <1100796206.419cd12ec4186@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <1100864461.27096.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Nov 19 10:09:53 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Udev In-Reply-To: <9d6c825304111815365b6d045@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d6c825304111815365b6d045@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041119100953.A24020@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 05:36:28PM -0600, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > Has anyone used udev with MP3 players? I haven't used udev for this - I just use straight mount. Have you treid that? Does it work? Some thing like : % mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt That's where I would start. I don't have enough experience with udev to be much help with that. or does udev change it so your player doesn't show up as a disk? Check dmesg when you plug it in to see. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyj27 at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 10:25:18 2004 From: tommyj27 at gmail.com (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Udev In-Reply-To: <20041119100953.A24020@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <9d6c825304111815365b6d045@mail.gmail.com> <20041119100953.A24020@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1469cda2041119082563c73147@mail.gmail.com> my slackware installation is using udev and 2.6.9. i mount my player from /dev/sd* as well. I was having problems with an error about the filesystem not existing but i think that may have been just me being stupid. what player are you using, does it detect as generic usb mass storage? On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:09:53 -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 05:36:28PM -0600, Jeff Rasmussen wrote: > > Has anyone used udev with MP3 players? > > > I haven't used udev for this - I just use straight mount. Have > you treid that? Does it work? Some thing like : > % mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt > > That's where I would start. I don't have enough experience with > udev to be much help with that. or does udev change it so your > player doesn't show up as a disk? Check dmesg when you plug it > in to see. > > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons | > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeremy.rosengren at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 10:45:03 2004 From: jeremy.rosengren at gmail.com (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix configuration question In-Reply-To: <1100864461.27096.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <1100788883.11569.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> <1100796206.419cd12ec4186@joshwelch.com> <1100864461.27096.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: This might help: http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html#ubenousr -- jeremy On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:41:02 -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 10:43, Josh Welch wrote: > > > Quoting Jon Schewe : > I've got a postfix mailserver > that's getting a lot of spam (who > doesn't). The problem I'm trying to > address is that some spammer sends > a messages to xyz@mydomain.com and xyz > doesn't exist on my system, so > postfix generates a bounce message. However > the reply-to in the > original message doesn't exist either, so the bounce, > bounces back and > eventually ends up in the postmaster mailbox. Is there a > way to tell > postfix to reject the message right away when the spammer > tries to send > it, so that the bounce message isn't generated? Or to just > give up on > bounced bounces? > That seems really odd. I would think that > the default for an MTA would be to reject mail which does not have an > intended recipient. I am not familiar with Postfix config, but a quick > google indicates you should look at your config to see if you have something > like so: your_domain.com anything Which would apparently accept anything > sent to your_domain.com. No, nothing like that in there. > > > Also, is there a secondary MX for your domain that might be catching some > mail > No secondary MX either. > > > -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe GPG signature at > http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death > nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor > any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, > will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our > Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Nov 19 11:02:01 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Udev In-Reply-To: <1469cda2041119082563c73147@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d6c825304111815365b6d045@mail.gmail.com> <20041119100953.A24020@pchelka.space.umn.edu> <1469cda2041119082563c73147@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041119110201.A24132@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 10:25:18AM -0600, Thomas Johnson wrote: > my slackware installation is using udev and 2.6.9. i mount my player > from /dev/sd* as well. I was having problems with an error about the > filesystem not existing but i think that may have been just me being > stupid. what player are you using, does it detect as generic usb mass > storage? Its a little CF modeli that gets detected as USB Mass Storage. Here's what I get from dmesg when I connect and mount: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using address 9 scsi5 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Vendor: BenQ Model: Joybee 110 Rev: 1.00 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 SCSI device sda: 250368 512-byte hdwr sectors (128 MB) sda: assuming Write Enabled sda: assuming drive cache: write through /dev/scsi/host5/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi5, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 USB Mass Storage device found at 9 -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 10:27:30 2004 From: jeff.rasmussen at gmail.com (Jeff Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Udev In-Reply-To: <20041119100953.A24020@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <9d6c825304111815365b6d045@mail.gmail.com> <20041119100953.A24020@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <9d6c82530411190827736acc2e@mail.gmail.com> I don't think my player is ever connected as a USB disk drive. The udev program automatically will create the /dev/sda1 after the usb device is discovered by hotplug or you could customize the name to be /dev/usbdrive. It all works in user space which is supposed to be pretty cool. When I plug in my mpio player libusb will show that it is connected in the dmesg log but I have no device to point to. -- Jeff Rasmussen GPG public key 0x9686C12F _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Fri Nov 19 15:01:44 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Document Management Systems Message-ID: <1100898104.419e5f38c23d0@joshwelch.com> My company is looking at document management systems, i.e. scan paper into digital form and plunk it into a database so you can easily search for it. Everyting I've seen to this point has been based on a Windows/SQL Server backend. We would really like to see this implemented with Linux as the database server, whether it be Oracle, Informix, Postgres or whatever running on top of it. We have no time to be putzng around with customized stuff or hacking it together ourselves, it needs to be pretty much a canned app. Anyway, if you've worked with anything like this please give a shout. Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Nov 19 15:38:44 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Document Management Systems In-Reply-To: <1100898104.419e5f38c23d0@joshwelch.com>; from tclug@joshwelch.com on Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 03:01:44PM -0600 References: <1100898104.419e5f38c23d0@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <20041119153844.A21121@thinkunix.net> Josh Welch wrote: > > My company is looking at document management systems, i.e. scan paper into > digital form and plunk it into a database so you can easily search for it. > Everyting I've seen to this point has been based on a Windows/SQL Server > backend. We would really like to see this implemented with Linux as the > database server, whether it be Oracle, Informix, Postgres or whatever running > on top of it. We have no time to be putzng around with customized stuff or > hacking it together ourselves, it needs to be pretty much a canned app. Anyway, > if you've worked with anything like this please give a shout. Search at http://www.ibm.com/ I remember reading something in the past about some big document scanning/databasing push they had. It might be part of their DB2 database product line. I know DB2 runs on Linux and IBM has been a strong Linux advocate so chances are good you might get what your want, at a price of course. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Nov 19 17:10:27 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix configuration question In-Reply-To: References: <1100788883.11569.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> <1100796206.419cd12ec4186@joshwelch.com> <1100864461.27096.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <1100905827.30071.0.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Nov 19 17:20:16 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix configuration question In-Reply-To: References: <1100788883.11569.45.camel@mn65-eggplant.htc.honeywell.com> <1100796206.419cd12ec4186@joshwelch.com> <1100864461.27096.1.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <1100906415.30071.9.camel@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Nov 19 18:56:23 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Document Management Systems In-Reply-To: <1100898104.419e5f38c23d0@joshwelch.com> References: <1100898104.419e5f38c23d0@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <419E9637.30809@eworld3.net> Take a look at Owl http://owl.sourceforge.net/ it's pretty nice. Josh Welch wrote: > My company is looking at document management systems, i.e. scan paper into > digital form and plunk it into a database so you can easily search for it. > Everyting I've seen to this point has been based on a Windows/SQL Server > backend. We would really like to see this implemented with Linux as the > database server, whether it be Oracle, Informix, Postgres or whatever running > on top of it. We have no time to be putzng around with customized stuff or > hacking it together ourselves, it needs to be pretty much a canned app. Anyway, > if you've worked with anything like this please give a shout. > > Thanks, > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From elhaddi at constantdata.com Fri Nov 19 20:10:08 2004 From: elhaddi at constantdata.com (elhaddi@constantdata.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <1100898104.419e5f38c23d0@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: Mr. Steve Ballmer goes to Singapore ... http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/11/19/tech.microsoft.linux3.reut/index.html --elhad di _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Fri Nov 19 22:47:02 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 elhaddi@constantdata.com wrote: > Mr. Steve Ballmer goes to Singapore ... > http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/11/19/tech.microsoft.linux3.reut/index.html The article claims: "Linux violates more than 228 patents, according to a recent report from a research group, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer said at the company's Asian Government Leaders Forum in Singapore." Can he name one? I think the number of successful suits so far is zero. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at gmail.com Sat Nov 20 10:14:44 2004 From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> I'd like to hear what these 228 (or more) patents are, so that we could work to resolve them...I mean, if they've been counted, then someone should look at them and see how applicable they are (maybe some are legitimate, and some were questionable, and it's not as bad as they make it out to be) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Sat Nov 20 10:43:41 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> Keith Bachman wrote: > I'd like to hear what these 228 (or more) patents are, so that we > could work to resolve them...I mean, if they've been counted, then > someone should look at them and see how applicable they are (maybe > some are legitimate, and some were questionable, and it's not as bad > as they make it out to be) This link below states (referring to Ballmers assertion): "He also miscontrues the point of the OSRM study, which found that Linux potentially (not definitely) infringes 283 un-tested patents, while not infringing a single court-validated patent. The point of the study was actually to eliminate the FUD about Linux' alleged legal problems by attaching a quantifiable measure vs. the speculation. And the number we found, to anyone familiar with this issue, is so average as to be boring; almost any piece of software potentially infringes at least that many patents." http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2004111901326NWLL _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From justin.kremer at gmail.com Sat Nov 20 11:14:20 2004 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> References: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> At the very end of the original article... "We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we built it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," - Ballmer WHAT?!? Isn't it the other way around? With open source, you know who built it. Coming from Microsoft, all you know is that someone who works for Microsoft built it. IMO there's a lot more accountability when you stick your name on something rather than just the name of the super-huge company you work for. -- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markmit at mn.rr.com Sat Nov 20 11:35:51 2004 From: markmit at mn.rr.com (Mark Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411201135.52109.markmit@mn.rr.com> On Fri November 19 2004 8:10 pm, elhaddi@constantdata.com wrote: > Mr. Steve Ballmer goes to Singapore ... > http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/11/19/tech.microsoft.linux3.reut/index >.html > I really like this part; Balmer: "We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we built it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," he added. "We stand behind it"? Apparently Mr. Balmer has never read a MS EULA. Mark _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Sat Nov 20 11:38:20 2004 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: you are preaching to the choir, man. I think we all know that Ballmer is an evil businessman who twists every fact to his own ends. Good thing we have brains and the intarweb.... On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:14:20 -0600, Justin Kremer wrote: > At the very end of the original article... > "We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. > It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we > built it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," - Ballmer > WHAT?!? Isn't it the other way around? With open source, you know > who built it. Coming from Microsoft, all you know is that someone who > works for Microsoft built it. IMO there's a lot more accountability > when you stick your name on something rather than just the name of the > super-huge company you work for. > > -- > Justin Kremer > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bhurt at spnz.org Sat Nov 20 11:36:17 2004 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Mike Miller wrote: > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 elhaddi@constantdata.com wrote: > > > Mr. Steve Ballmer goes to Singapore ... > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/11/19/tech.microsoft.linux3.reut/index.html > > The article claims: "Linux violates more than 228 patents, according to a > recent report from a research group, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve > Ballmer said at the company's Asian Government Leaders Forum in > Singapore." > > Can he name one? I think the number of successful suits so far is zero. > Many of them are probably bogus, such as the patent on is-not (http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/19/1426256&from=rss). The problem is, the average cost of litigating a patent suit is a million dollars. Microsoft can afford to drop $228 million on patent lawsuits. Can we? The answer is a surprising maybe. We have an ally in our corner in any sort of patent fight- IBM. Which has huge numbers of patents in it's portfolio. And fairly deep pockets itself. And a deep interest in Linux and open source. And, probably, the ability to in turn shut down Microsoft with counter-patent-suits (look at what they're doing with SCO). Unfortunately, this makes actual patent lawsuits "the nuclear option" in this "war". If it comes to that, we lose, but Microsoft loses as well. Which means for the time being, Microsoft will content itself with rattling it's patent sabres and spreading FUD. I don't expect the patent lawsuits to come out until Microsoft is signifigantly more desperate. Note that's a 'when', not an 'if'. Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sat Nov 20 14:46:40 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <200411201135.52109.markmit@mn.rr.com> References: <200411201135.52109.markmit@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <419FAD30.7070301@eworld3.net> Mark Mitchell wrote: > Balmer: "We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. > It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we built > it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," he added. > > "We stand behind it"? Apparently Mr. Balmer has never read a MS EULA. > Or tried to get phone support. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wnpauls2 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 20 20:08:59 2004 From: wnpauls2 at yahoo.com (Paul Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] has anyone eclipse under fedora core 2? In-Reply-To: <419FAD30.7070301@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20041121020859.79704.qmail@web60005.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From srcfoo at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 11:46:31 2004 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows 2000 Small Business Server to Samba migration Message-ID: <579c6fd3041121094625bde08b@mail.gmail.com> Well this has turned out to be a nightmare! Does anyone have any tips on migrating from SBS to Samba? The normal rules seem not to apply... see below. I have samba 3.0.7 running on Debian Sarge 3.1 and want it to replace an existing Win2k SBS domain controller. The Samba machine will be the PDC and therefore will be doing all the domain authentication. I was hoping to make the migration as transparent as possible, but it seems that because it is SBS and not a full version on Win2k Server I can' t use the existing profiles on the Samba box. SBS runs in 'Native' mode and therefore it doesn't allow NT style domain controllers. Thus I can not use 'net rpc vampire' to copy the SAM information from AD running on the current Windows box. So I thought I would just try copying the Windows user profile directories to the Samba machine and then just script the addition of user accounts. The only problem is that all the user settings are unreadable after this. I can still login to the domain and access My Docs and all that good stuff, but all the desktop settings and application settings seem to be lost or inaccessible. I think this is because the NTUSER.dat file is inaccessable due to the SID differences. I then thought I could use the profiles tool that is included with Samba-3, but its use is also a bit confusing. Can anyone help??? Thanks, Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Sun Nov 21 12:04:16 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Treo 650 Message-ID: <1101060256.41a0d8a03a1b7@joshwelch.com> I don't recall who was asking about the 650, but there is a relative blurb on Slashdot about an issue that they seem to have. Apparently the historically great memory usage of the Palm devices has gone by the wayside. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/21/1632209&tid=100&tid=1 Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Nov 21 12:10:53 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows 2000 Small Business Server to Samba migration In-Reply-To: <579c6fd3041121094625bde08b@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd3041121094625bde08b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41A0DA2D.1010206@visi.com> All I can say is SBS is trouble when the company outgrows it. I wonder if you could use LDAP to get the accounts? Sam. Eric Peterson wrote: >Well this has turned out to be a nightmare! > >Does anyone have any tips on migrating from SBS to Samba? The normal >rules seem not to apply... see below. > >I have samba 3.0.7 running on Debian Sarge 3.1 and want it to replace >an existing Win2k SBS domain controller. The Samba machine will be >the PDC and therefore will be doing all the domain authentication. > >I was hoping to make the migration as transparent as possible, but it >seems that because it is SBS and not a full version on Win2k Server I >can' t use the existing profiles on the Samba box. SBS runs in >'Native' mode and therefore it doesn't allow NT style domain >controllers. Thus I can not use 'net rpc vampire' to copy the SAM >information from AD running on the current Windows box. > >So I thought I would just try copying the Windows user profile >directories to the Samba machine and then just script the addition of >user accounts. The only problem is that all the user settings are >unreadable after this. I can still login to the domain and access My >Docs and all that good stuff, but all the desktop settings and >application settings seem to be lost or inaccessible. > >I think this is because the NTUSER.dat file is inaccessable due to the >SID differences. I then thought I could use the profiles tool that is >included with Samba-3, but its use is also a bit confusing. > >Can anyone help??? > >Thanks, >Eric > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Nov 21 12:16:04 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Document Management Systems In-Reply-To: <419E9637.30809@eworld3.net> References: <1100898104.419e5f38c23d0@joshwelch.com> <419E9637.30809@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <41A0DB64.8070303@visi.com> I think I just found a place to put the hundreds of recipes, doc's, pdf's I need to keep but can never find. Owl looks simple to configure and use. Sam. Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > Take a look at Owl http://owl.sourceforge.net/ it's pretty nice. > > Josh Welch wrote: > >> My company is looking at document management systems, i.e. scan paper >> into >> digital form and plunk it into a database so you can easily search >> for it. >> Everyting I've seen to this point has been based on a Windows/SQL Server >> backend. We would really like to see this implemented with Linux as the >> database server, whether it be Oracle, Informix, Postgres or whatever >> running >> on top of it. We have no time to be putzng around with customized >> stuff or >> hacking it together ourselves, it needs to be pretty much a canned >> app. Anyway, >> if you've worked with anything like this please give a shout. >> >> Thanks, >> Josh >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >> Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jwreese0 at comcast.net Sun Nov 21 13:12:01 2004 From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Document management systems Message-ID: <1101064321.5388.42.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> Posted this earlier, but it contained a link and the listserver filtered it. In addition to Owl there is Knowledge Tree DMS. It's written in PHP, runs as http, uses a MySQL back end. It hasn't been around long (only 6 months), but it's up to v. 1.2x. Here's the link to the Sourceforge page. Just add slashes in the spaces: sourceforge.net docman ?group_id=107851 John Reese _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Sun Nov 21 16:18:32 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files Message-ID: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> Hello, I'm running into some strange occurrences today on Fedora Core 1. After a reboot I logged into my Gnome desktop and the panel was gone. This has happened to me in the past and is easily solved by issuing the 'gnome-panel &' command from a terminal. However today was different as /usr/bin/gnome-panel seemed to have disappeared, along with several other files and even an entire drive. To solve the panel problem I simply inserted my Fedora media and 'rpm -Uvh --oldpackage gnome-panel*.rpm && yum update gnome-panel' but I'm still wondering why this happened - especially in light of the other problems listed below. Other strange behaviors are files that appear to be missing. Earlier today I was moving some .wav files from my home directory to a separate drive in the system mounted under /newdisk. The operation was taking a very long time so I killed it and then listed /newdisk. Nothing returned even though there was data on that drive previously and files were apparently moving there since they are no longer in my home directory. I thought the /newdisk drive was causing the problem so I unmounted it. Now when I try to mount it I get the error "/dev/hdb1: Input/output error" Also, I tried to run a script located in /usr/local/bin called 'psfind'. According to ls this script is MIA, but when I do a '/usr/local/bin/ps[tab][tab]' it shows up as an option in Bash. So I downloaded another copy of psfind and did 'mv /home/ryan/psfind.pl /usr/local/bin && chmod +x /usr/local/bin/psfind.pl'. The file moved just fine, but on the chmod operation I get an error: "mv: cannot stat `/usr/local/bin/psfind': Input/output error" Does anyone have any ideas as to what is going on here? Any help appreciated. Thank you. -- Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Nov 21 18:35:50 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> Sounds like you better check to see if you were rooted... Sam. Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > Hello, > > I'm running into some strange occurrences today on Fedora Core 1. > After a reboot I logged into my Gnome desktop and the panel was gone. > This has happened to me in the past and is easily solved by issuing > the 'gnome-panel &' command from a terminal. However today was > different as /usr/bin/gnome-panel seemed to have disappeared, along > with several other files and even an entire drive. > To solve the panel problem I simply inserted my Fedora media and 'rpm > -Uvh --oldpackage gnome-panel*.rpm && yum update gnome-panel' but I'm > still wondering why this happened - especially in light of the other > problems listed below. > > Other strange behaviors are files that appear to be missing. Earlier > today I was moving some .wav files from my home directory to a > separate drive in the system mounted under /newdisk. The operation was > taking a very long time so I killed it and then listed /newdisk. > Nothing returned even though there was data on that drive previously > and files were apparently moving there since they are no longer in my > home directory. > I thought the /newdisk drive was causing the problem so I unmounted > it. Now when I try to mount it I get the error "/dev/hdb1: > Input/output error" > > Also, I tried to run a script located in /usr/local/bin called > 'psfind'. According to ls this script is MIA, but when I do a > '/usr/local/bin/ps[tab][tab]' it shows up as an option in Bash. So I > downloaded another copy of psfind and did 'mv /home/ryan/psfind.pl > /usr/local/bin && chmod +x /usr/local/bin/psfind.pl'. > The file moved just fine, but on the chmod operation I get an error: > "mv: cannot stat `/usr/local/bin/psfind': Input/output error" > > Does anyone have any ideas as to what is going on here? Any help > appreciated. > > Thank you. > > -- Ryan > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Sun Nov 21 18:49:18 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> Message-ID: <41A1378E.2020000@ryanorourke.org> Sam MacDonald wrote: > Sounds like you better check to see if you were rooted... I was /really/ hoping no one would say that. uh... Thanks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kc0iog at gmail.com Sun Nov 21 18:58:42 2004 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI development: how? Message-ID: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> I have some proprietary command line utilities that I need to set up for non geeks. I'm going to be adding them to some sort of live distro (Knoppix most likely). I want to build an X front end so I don't have to teach a zillion switches (starting with what /dev/hda1 is and where drive C: went). Just one problem: I haven't even attempted GUI development on linux, and I don't know where to start. I want a basic frontend that will just pass paramters to the command line utilities. I've thought about using Apache/PHP to build a frontend, which would work, but inevitably I'd need something more robust. Besides, I may publish my code if it turns out to be useful and I'd rather not have server requirements for such a simple task. Anyone got suggestions? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Nov 21 19:41:46 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI development: how? In-Reply-To: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com>; from kc0iog@gmail.com on Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 06:58:42PM -0600 References: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041121194146.A27539@thinkunix.net> Brian Wall wrote: > I have some proprietary command line utilities that I need to set up > for non geeks. I'm going to be adding them to some sort of live > distro (Knoppix most likely). I want to build an X front end so I > don't have to teach a zillion switches (starting with what /dev/hda1 > is and where drive C: went). Just one problem: I haven't even > attempted GUI development on linux, and I don't know where to start. > I want a basic frontend that will just pass paramters to the command > line utilities. For something simple, you might try Tcl/Tk. It's an intrepreted scripting language. Just google for "tk X programming" -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Sun Nov 21 19:33:19 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI development: how? In-Reply-To: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041122013319.GA8867@fireopal.org> On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 06:58:42PM -0600, Brian Wall wrote: > I have some proprietary command line utilities that I need to set up > for non geeks. I'm going to be adding them to some sort of live > distro (Knoppix most likely). I want to build an X front end so I > don't have to teach a zillion switches (starting with what /dev/hda1 > is and where drive C: went). Just one problem: I haven't even > attempted GUI development on linux, and I don't know where to start. > I want a basic frontend that will just pass paramters to the command > line utilities. > > I've thought about using Apache/PHP to build a frontend, which would > work, but inevitably I'd need something more robust. Besides, I may > publish my code if it turns out to be useful and I'd rather not have > server requirements for such a simple task. Anyone got suggestions? Tcl/tk? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Sun Nov 21 19:36:00 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI development: how? In-Reply-To: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041122013600.GA14276@crito> On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 06:58:42PM -0600, Brian Wall wrote: > ... > I want a basic frontend that will just pass paramters to the command > line utilities. There's a whole slew of widget libraries out there. I'd go with gtk personally (www.gtk.org). You can also use the perl, python, or php bindings. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sun Nov 21 20:28:56 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: <41A1378E.2020000@ryanorourke.org> References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> <41A1378E.2020000@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > Sam MacDonald wrote: >> Sounds like you better check to see if you were rooted... > > I was /really/ hoping no one would say that. > uh... Thanks. Sadly, I can tell you that I've had similar experiences. When they break into your system, they'll change the ls and ps binaries so that they don't display certain files or processes that they are trying to hide from you. In my experience, those very attempts to conceal the breakin are sometimes of such poor quality that you detect the bad ls or bad ps binary way before you would have noticed the other stuff they were doing. I keep copies of ls and ps binaries on my system so that I can use them if I think I've been cracked. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sun Nov 21 20:48:49 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Treo 650 In-Reply-To: <1101060256.41a0d8a03a1b7@joshwelch.com> References: <1101060256.41a0d8a03a1b7@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Josh Welch wrote: > I don't recall who was asking about the 650, but there is a relative > blurb on Slashdot about an issue that they seem to have. Apparently the > historically great memory usage of the Palm devices has gone by the > wayside. > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/21/1632209&tid=100&tid=1 Thanks. The interested people were me, Tom Marble and Andrew Zbikowski, and maybe others. This is bad news. Apparently, the new method of memory allocation in the Treo 650 requires that a minimum of 512 bytes be used for every record in a database. Thus, memory usage increases dramatically, but the Treo 650 has no more memory available than we have in the Treo 600. For many Treo 600 users, this makes the Treo 650 unusable. So I'm glad I haven't purchased a 650. I still have my Treo 600. I just received a replacement, so I'm now on my third Treo 600. It's great while it's working! I have the Sprint version of the 600 and a Sprint store not too far away. They can get a replacement for me pretty quickly when my Treo fails. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crc1021 at myrealbox.com Sun Nov 21 20:52:58 2004 From: crc1021 at myrealbox.com (Eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI development: how? In-Reply-To: <20041121194146.A27539@thinkunix.net> References: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> <20041121194146.A27539@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20041121205258.1a7209dc.crc1021@myrealbox.com> If passing parameters is all you want, then something a simple as dialog or xdialog (which uses the gtk library) should work. It is easier to work into existing shell scripts. Eric On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:41:46 -0600 Scot Jenkins wrote: > Brian Wall wrote: > > I want a basic frontend that will just pass paramters to the command > > line utilities. > > For something simple, you might try Tcl/Tk. It's an intrepreted > scripting language. Just google for "tk X programming" > -- > scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Sun Nov 21 21:30:00 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> <41A1378E.2020000@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <41A15D38.3060303@ryanorourke.org> Mike Miller wrote: > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > >> Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >>> Sounds like you better check to see if you were rooted... >> >> >> I was /really/ hoping no one would say that. >> uh... Thanks. > > > Sadly, I can tell you that I've had similar experiences. When they > break into your system, they'll change the ls and ps binaries so that > they don't display certain files or processes that they are trying to > hide from you. In my experience, those very attempts to conceal the > breakin are sometimes of such poor quality that you detect the bad ls or > bad ps binary way before you would have noticed the other stuff they > were doing. Third opinion anyone? Maybe with a better prognosis??? > I keep copies of ls and ps binaries on my system so that I can use them > if I think I've been cracked. I don't understand what good that does if your system has been rooted though. Why can't an attacker just change those saved binaries as well? Well, after booting from a Knoppix cd, mounting my drives, and running chkrootkit on them I get "Checking 'su' ... INFECTED". Not a good sign. Now the question is - how do I go about figuring out how it was done? What kind of forensics can I do to turn this into a learning experience before I reformat and reinstall? I'm kind of suspecting that one of my Windows users may be at fault here. Is it possible that one of them may have been compromised first and then the attacker used a password or key found in WinSCP to compromise my system? Or is it more likely the attack just came from the Internet directly through my one open port, past my router, past my firewall, and breached that way? Any help appreciated. Thanks. -- Ryan PS. Oh, and speaking of Knoppix - any chance of getting it added to our local TCLUG mirror? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Sun Nov 21 21:46:32 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Treo 650 In-Reply-To: References: <1101060256.41a0d8a03a1b7@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <41A16118.90503@info9.net> Mike Miller wrote: > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Josh Welch wrote: >> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/21/1632209&tid=100&tid=1 > > Thanks. The interested people were me, Tom Marble and Andrew Zbikowski, > and maybe others. > > This is bad news. Apparently, the new method of memory allocation in > the Treo 650 requires that a minimum of 512 bytes be used for every > record in a database. I've read several of the followup links... Yes it's silly that palmOne didn't add more memory. But I suspect that if one adds an additional SD card the problem can be mitigated. This support answer *suggests* that newer applications can run from an expansion card: http://kb.palmone.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?St=786,E=0000000000094319069,K=8683,Sxi=17,useTemplate=Case.tem,CASE=8303 Given that many of these apps are new and or up-rev'd for the Treo 650 I would bet that many of them could run on the expansion card. I'm supposed to receive my Treo 650 tomorrow... I'll let you know if it's 'usable'. Regards, --Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sun Nov 21 22:10:49 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: <41A15D38.3060303@ryanorourke.org> References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> <41A1378E.2020000@ryanorourke.org> <41A15D38.3060303@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > Mike Miller wrote: > >> I keep copies of ls and ps binaries on my system so that I can use them >> if I think I've been cracked. > > I don't understand what good that does if your system has been rooted > though. Why can't an attacker just change those saved binaries as well? They *could*, but they usually won't. I change the names to something like orignal_ls and original_ps and put them in place that isn't in the path. You have to understand that most people who break into your computer are not spending much time dealing with the intricacies of your system. They just run some script that makes some stock changes and that's it. If you want to be doubly careful, you could keep a copy of the binaries on a cd or floppy, then scp them to your box to make comparisons. You could make md5 checksums to see if files are changed. I haven't used tripwire, but that will allow you to do some of this kind of stuff automatically. > Well, after booting from a Knoppix cd, mounting my drives, and running > chkrootkit on them I get "Checking 'su' ... INFECTED". Not a good sign. > > Now the question is - how do I go about figuring out how it was done? > What kind of forensics can I do to turn this into a learning experience > before I reformat and reinstall? When it has happened to me, I've been able to put a proper ps file on the system, look at the processes they are running and figure out more about what happened. I also could look at logs of attempts to connect to various ports and I could see how they were getting in. > I'm kind of suspecting that one of my Windows users may be at fault > here. Is it possible that one of them may have been compromised first > and then the attacker used a password or key found in WinSCP to > compromise my system? Or is it more likely the attack just came from the > Internet directly through my one open port, past my router, past my > firewall, and breached that way? If I knew more, I'd tell you. Best, Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at gahlon.com Sun Nov 21 21:59:01 2004 From: lists at gahlon.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> Message-ID: <200411212159.01645.lists@gahlon.com> On Sunday 21 November 2004 18:35, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Sounds like you better check to see if you were rooted... www.chkrootkit.org is a good place to start. Tripwire is your friend... ;-) (of course it's too late for that now... but on your next install/upgrade or once you figure out the problem...) Also, try downloading a memtest86 iso and running the memory tests. I've seen memory problems cause these types of strange behaviors... Although the system _usually_ has a kernel panic or stimply locks hard not long after the behaviors begin... -- Christopher A. Gahlon There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those that understand binary and those that don't. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Sun Nov 21 22:13:02 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Treo 650 In-Reply-To: <41A16118.90503@info9.net> References: <1101060256.41a0d8a03a1b7@joshwelch.com> <41A16118.90503@info9.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Tom Marble wrote: > Given that many of these apps are new and or up-rev'd for the Treo 650 I > would bet that many of them could run on the expansion card. I'm > supposed to receive my Treo 650 tomorrow... I'll let you know if it's > 'usable'. Good luck, Tom. Let us know what you think. Are you using a Treo 600? Let me know if you feel like getting together sometime to compare. I'd love to see the 650 - I suppose they'll have one at the Sprint store soon. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From linuser at esox.us Sun Nov 21 21:16:24 2004 From: linuser at esox.us (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI development: how? In-Reply-To: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41A15A08.9030006@esox.us> Brian Wall wrote: > I have some proprietary command line utilities that I need to set up > for non geeks. I'm going to be adding them to some sort of live > distro (Knoppix most likely). I want to build an X front end so I > don't have to teach a zillion switches (starting with what /dev/hda1 > is and where drive C: went). Just one problem: I haven't even > attempted GUI development on linux, and I don't know where to start. > I want a basic frontend that will just pass paramters to the command > line utilities. > > I've thought about using Apache/PHP to build a frontend, which would > work, but inevitably I'd need something more robust. Besides, I may > publish my code if it turns out to be useful and I'd rather not have > server requirements for such a simple task. Anyone got suggestions? > > -Brian Could you do that in XUL? I'd like to create a XUL front end to iptables myself......... -- Dave Erickson http://www.esox.us/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrisc at chris.org Mon Nov 22 06:28:54 2004 From: chrisc at chris.org (Chris Cox, N0UK) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <200411201135.52109.markmit@mn.rr.com> References: <200411201135.52109.markmit@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, Mark Mitchell wrote: > On Fri November 19 2004 8:10 pm, elhaddi@constantdata.com wrote: >> Mr. Steve Ballmer goes to Singapore ... >> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/11/19/tech.microsoft.linux3.reut/index >> .html >> > > I really like this part; > > Balmer: "We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. > It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we built > it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," he added. Actually, that is a true statement - very strange indeed coming from microslop. We know who WROTE the code, but it could have been YOU, or ME, or the next door neighbour who BUILT (as in `make config; make dep; make) the code! -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv33 chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 07:15:50 2004 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> <41A1378E.2020000@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:28:56 -0600 (CST), Mike Miller wrote: > I keep copies of ls and ps binaries on my system so that I can use them if > I think I've been cracked. The other nice thing about linux systems, is the /proc file system. You can do the work yourself if you dont trust ps: jay@localhost$ cat /proc/1/cmdline && echo init [2] Of course, that means you have to trust /proc- I have not seen a root kit that plays with /proc yet (dosnt mean they arnt out there) Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Nov 22 08:00:24 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:30 2005 Subject: (OT) RE:[TCLUG] Document Management Systems In-Reply-To: <1100898104.419e5f38c23d0@joshwelch.com> References: <1100898104.419e5f38c23d0@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <41A1F0F8.2000501@visi.com> I really don't like being right in this case, I think Josh knew before I said it, sorry Josh. Is everyone as tired as I am of this sort of thing? Not just with our home computers but at work, it's insane to have to deal with this sort of thing. I had a Gentoo system up for just a couple of days when it got rooted. When I rebuilt it I just didn't install anything that would let them in (SSH, FTP, HTTP, etc...) in order to prevent another rootkit showing up. I spent 4 hours upgrading to the new versions of AVG (7 is out), SpyBot, and HyJackThis on "all" the computers at home. I'm just not in to doing that much support of the computers at home. If I don't the DSL connection becomes a 33.6k connection in no time at all. :-( With all the spam, popups, spyware, trojans, rootkits, and other evil mice doing this stuff on the web the solution is a better mouse trap, not trying to blocking the mice. If a maze or dungeon type system was setup to entice, intrigue, entrap, and return the favor too the evil mice, it would help to limit the infestation of mice. It would have to be simple yet seductive to the mind of the mice that do these things. Maybe it will take working with ISP's and the open source community to come up with something like this. A "Honey Pot" that leaves a bad taste in their mouth, so to speak, for what they are doing to other people. A place they can vent the anger or what ever it is they feel drives them to do this sort of thing. I would think the mice that do this sort of thing would be interested in porn, ill gotten software, and music as long as when they break-in it's easily found and what they didn't expect to easily find. I would venture to guess they are careful but over confident in protecting their own systems. Let them open the back door, open a trap door in to a world they can't resist, then return the favor. I'm home today with my son who isn't feeling well, I'll be installing Snort on my server. I don't know anything about Snort but I hope to at least find where the mice are coming in. It's to bad we have to take so much time to "attempt" to stop the evil mice. It takes time away from the fun we should be having with our families. Sam. Josh Welch wrote: >My company is looking at document management systems, i.e. scan paper into >digital form and plunk it into a database so you can easily search for it. >Everyting I've seen to this point has been based on a Windows/SQL Server >backend. We would really like to see this implemented with Linux as the >database server, whether it be Oracle, Informix, Postgres or whatever running >on top of it. We have no time to be putzng around with customized stuff or >hacking it together ourselves, it needs to be pretty much a canned app. Anyway, >if you've worked with anything like this please give a shout. > >Thanks, >Josh > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org >Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Nov 22 08:04:49 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: References: <200411201135.52109.markmit@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <41A1F201.3050102@visi.com> I really thought that the good people that write Open Source Software put their name in to a header or something. Is that not the case? The Microslaves don't get to sign the software, unless they include an easter egg. I haven't seen an easter egg in microsquish software in a long time. Sam. Chris Cox, N0UK wrote: > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, Mark Mitchell wrote: > >> On Fri November 19 2004 8:10 pm, elhaddi@constantdata.com wrote: >> >>> Mr. Steve Ballmer goes to Singapore ... >>> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/11/19/tech.microsoft.linux3.reut/index >>> >>> .html >>> >> >> I really like this part; >> >> Balmer: "We think our software is far more secure than open-source >> software. >> It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we >> built >> it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," he added. > > > Actually, that is a true statement - very strange indeed coming from > microslop. > > We know who WROTE the code, but it could have been YOU, or ME, or the > next > door neighbour who BUILT (as in `make config; make dep; make) the code! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Mon Nov 22 08:08:59 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router/Firewall Security -- Offtopic? Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD7432B5@owa.compellent.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Mon Nov 22 08:33:19 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: References: <200411201135.52109.markmit@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Chris Cox, N0UK wrote: >> Balmer: "We think our software is far more secure than open-source >> software. It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, >> because we built it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," >> he added. > > Actually, that is a true statement - very strange indeed coming from > microslop. > > We know who WROTE the code, but it could have been YOU, or ME, or the next > door neighbour who BUILT (as in `make config; make dep; make) the code! If I built it, I know who built it. Thus, the statement "Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," is incorrect and consistency is returned to the world: microslop remains unable to produce a truthful statement. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Mon Nov 22 08:27:35 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router/Firewall Security -- Offtopic? In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD7432B5@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD7432B5@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Everytime I see an exploit for XX version of linux or XX version of > windows I wonder if there are known vulnerabilities for my little D-Link > Router? Check the Security Focus vulnerability list: www.securityfocus.com (and then click on Vulnerabilities in the top-nav. You can search by vendor. > How secure are these little guys, and if there is a known hole, will > D-Link notify me? ROFLMAO! > Maybe I should go all out and just plunk down the cash for a used Cisco > Pix? How about let the router route, and build a firewall with your favorite OSS operating system? Pix is good, but it's an expensive solution for personal use, and you may run into problems down the road trying to get updates for it, unless you have a CCO account. Without knowing more about how your network is setup, I can't say what the best solution is...but if you've got a 486 with a couple of NIC's laying around, you can build a firewall in a couple of hours for $0. Heck, there's even a Linux-based firewall distro that boots off of floppy (I think...). Tre' cool. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Nov 22 09:05:02 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: References: <200411201135.52109.markmit@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <41A2001E.7020706@visi.com> I agree with Mike, all Balmer said is "we support our products" just think what would happen if they didn't! We can only hope... Sam. Mike Miller wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Chris Cox, N0UK wrote: > >>> Balmer: "We think our software is far more secure than open-source >>> software. It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, >>> because we built it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source >>> software," he added. >> >> >> Actually, that is a true statement - very strange indeed coming from >> microslop. >> >> We know who WROTE the code, but it could have been YOU, or ME, or the >> next >> door neighbour who BUILT (as in `make config; make dep; make) the code! > > > If I built it, I know who built it. Thus, the statement "Nobody ever > knows who built open-source software," is incorrect and consistency is > returned to the world: microslop remains unable to produce a truthful > statement. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Mon Nov 22 09:22:25 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router/Firewall Security -- Offtopic? In-Reply-To: References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD7432B5@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <200411220922.26529.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Monday 22 November 2004 8:27 am, Adam Maloney wrote: > Heck, there's even a Linux-based > firewall distro that boots off of floppy (I think...). Tre' cool. Yep Coyote Linux firewall. Pretty neat solution. http://www.coyotelinux.com/products.php?Product=coyote -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bhurt at spnz.org Mon Nov 22 09:38:51 2004 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Chris Cox, N0UK wrote: > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, Mark Mitchell wrote: > > > On Fri November 19 2004 8:10 pm, elhaddi@constantdata.com wrote: > >> Mr. Steve Ballmer goes to Singapore ... > >> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/11/19/tech.microsoft.linux3.reut/index > >> .html > >> > > > > I really like this part; > > > > Balmer: "We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. > > It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we built > > it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," he added. > > Actually, that is a true statement - very strange indeed coming from > microslop. > > We know who WROTE the code, but it could have been YOU, or ME, or the next > door neighbour who BUILT (as in `make config; make dep; make) the code! > This is the sort of crazy things that monopolies say when they're going down the tubes. I liked the IBM sales rep who cautioned a customer that "you want to be carefull and not get locked into an open solution." What's supporting Microsoft is primarily the belief that there isn't an alternative. Once the perception changes, and people beleive that there is an alternative, they'll switch and never go back. Note that there are a lot of things that feed into this belief- Microsoft's iron grip on OEM preinstalls, those managers who have bet their reputation on Microsoft, etc. One interesting aspect that also feeds into this is, I think, a desire to not have a choice- if there is no choice, there is no *wrong* choice. But what it always boils down to is "we must use Microsoft, we have no choice." Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Mon Nov 22 09:59:58 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router/Firewall Security -- Offtopic? In-Reply-To: References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD7432B5@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <41A20CFE.7000609@eworld3.net> IPCop www.ipcop.org Adam Maloney wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > >> Everytime I see an exploit for XX version of linux or XX version of >> windows I wonder if there are known vulnerabilities for my little D-Link >> Router? > > > Check the Security Focus vulnerability list: www.securityfocus.com (and > then click on Vulnerabilities in the top-nav. You can search by vendor. > >> How secure are these little guys, and if there is a known hole, will >> D-Link notify me? > > > ROFLMAO! > >> Maybe I should go all out and just plunk down the cash for a used Cisco >> Pix? > > > How about let the router route, and build a firewall with your favorite > OSS operating system? Pix is good, but it's an expensive solution for > personal use, and you may run into problems down the road trying to get > updates for it, unless you have a CCO account. Without knowing more > about how your network is setup, I can't say what the best solution > is...but if you've got a 486 with a couple of NIC's laying around, you > can build a firewall in a couple of hours for $0. Heck, there's even a > Linux-based firewall distro that boots off of floppy (I think...). Tre' > cool. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 10:18:27 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router/Firewall Security -- Offtopic? In-Reply-To: <41A20CFE.7000609@eworld3.net> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD7432B5@owa.compellent.com> <41A20CFE.7000609@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <67f3084a041122081812fb2ea8@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:59:58 -0600, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > IPCop > www.ipcop.org > Good stuff, version 1.4 just came out. -- -Shawn -Nemo me impune lacessit. Ne Obliviscaris.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Mon Nov 22 07:43:56 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: <41A15D38.3060303@ryanorourke.org> References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> <41A1378E.2020000@ryanorourke.org> <41A15D38.3060303@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <1101131036.41a1ed1c951de@joshwelch.com> Quoting Ryan O'Rourke : > I don't understand what good that does if your system has been rooted > though. Why can't an attacker just change those saved binaries as well? > > Well, after booting from a Knoppix cd, mounting my drives, and running > chkrootkit on them I get "Checking 'su' ... INFECTED". Not a good sign. > > Now the question is - how do I go about figuring out how it was done? > What kind of forensics can I do to turn this into a learning > experience before I reformat and reinstall? First, I'm glad you realize the need to reload this machine. A lot of people want to save a compromised machine, not recommended. As far as learning, check to see if you have any unpatched services or an unpatched kernel. Also, chkrootkit should give you an idea of what was used on your system. A lot of those tools will target a specific vulnerability. Try checking the history file for root. Check out the logs, you may see some sort of irregularity which can help you identify when things went down, possibly even something letting you know what happened. The amount of learning that you will be able to do will be dependant on how good the person who compromised your machine was. If they were clueful at all the history file will be removed after they logout, the logs will be cleansed and you will be lucky to figure out how they got in. In this case refer back to the vulnerable services and make a best guess. > I'm kind of suspecting that one of my Windows users may be at fault > here. Is it possible that one of them may have been compromised first > and then the attacker used a password or key found in WinSCP to > compromise my system? Or is it more likely the attack just came from > the Internet directly through my one open port, past my router, past > my firewall, and breached that way? All things are possible, but a direct compromise is probably more likely. If you are running anything with a vulnerabilty and a known remote exploit, look for a direct compromise. If not, look for anything with a privelege escalation vulnerability, including the kernel. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sk3tch at sk3tch.net Mon Nov 22 10:59:58 2004 From: sk3tch at sk3tch.net (sk3tch@sk3tch.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router/Firewall Security -- Offtopic? Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:59:58 -0600, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > IPCop > www.ipcop.org > I would seriously consider using Astaro...free for home use (10 IPs, but not limited in any way to 10) and full control. IPCop/Smoothwall only have incoming protection. All outgoing traffic is allowed. http://www.astaro.com/ Also, the SMTP and HTTP proxies use the Kaspersky AV engine (the best in terms of currency and hit rate). For about $60 you can get a 1 year sub to that plus the content filtering option. I used to use IPCop (loved it) but I would never go back after using Astaro again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Mon Nov 22 11:13:41 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041122171341.GA9201@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 09:38:51AM -0600, Brian Hurt wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Chris Cox, N0UK wrote: > > > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, Mark Mitchell wrote: > > > > > On Fri November 19 2004 8:10 pm, elhaddi@constantdata.com wrote: > > >> Mr. Steve Ballmer goes to Singapore ... > > >> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/11/19/tech.microsoft.linux3.reut/index > > >> .html > > >> > > > > > > I really like this part; > > > > > > Balmer: "We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. > > > It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we built > > > it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," he added. > > > > Actually, that is a true statement - very strange indeed coming from > > microslop. > > > > We know who WROTE the code, but it could have been YOU, or ME, or the next > > door neighbour who BUILT (as in `make config; make dep; make) the code! > > > > This is the sort of crazy things that monopolies say when they're going > down the tubes. I liked the IBM sales rep who cautioned a customer that > "you want to be carefull and not get locked into an open solution." > > What's supporting Microsoft is primarily the belief that there isn't an > alternative. Once the perception changes, and people beleive that there > is an alternative, they'll switch and never go back. Note that there are > a lot of things that feed into this belief- Microsoft's iron grip on OEM > preinstalls, those managers who have bet their reputation on Microsoft, > etc. One interesting aspect that also feeds into this is, I think, a > desire to not have a choice- if there is no choice, there is no *wrong* > choice. But what it always boils down to is "we must use Microsoft, we > have no choice." > > Brian > Two of the IT managers at the company for which I presently work had a vist recently from Microsoft reps. The managers gave us a glowing description of the future. Essentially, "We've seen Microsoft's vision. They are incredible. We can't go wrong using their products. They are going to have even more market share than ever before." I wish I saw more real change going on, but I'm still seeing business as usual. Maybe I just need to get out more. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 --- If the presence of electricity can be made visible in any part of a circuit, I see no reason why intelligence may not be transmitted instantaneously by electricity. -- Samuel F. B. Morse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Mon Nov 22 11:25:45 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router/Firewall Security -- Offtopic? In-Reply-To: ; from sk3tch@sk3tch.net on Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 10:59:58AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20041122112545.A3841@thinkunix.net> sk3tch@sk3tch.net wrote: > I would seriously consider using Astaro...free for home use (10 IPs, but > not limited in any way to 10) and full control. IPCop/Smoothwall only > have incoming protection. All outgoing traffic is allowed. > > http://www.astaro.com/ Might want to start here when looking for a *nix firewall. I researched a lot of them and put together this "bookmark" page: http://thinkunix.net/unix/security/firewalls/ Personally, I find FreeBSD works well, and no I'm not looking to start a flame war. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Mon Nov 22 11:27:00 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: (OT) RE:[TCLUG] Document Management Systems In-Reply-To: <41A1F0F8.2000501@visi.com> References: <1100898104.419e5f38c23d0@joshwelch.com> <41A1F0F8.2000501@visi.com> Message-ID: <1101144420.41a2216488943@joshwelch.com> Quoting Sam MacDonald : > I really don't like being right in this case, I think Josh knew before I > said it, sorry Josh. Is everyone as tired as I am of this sort of thing? > Not just with our home computers but at work, it's insane to have to > deal with this sort of thing. > ??? I think you got threads mixed up Sam. I posted a reply to the "might be hacked" thread, but it has no relation to the "Hey have you guys ever seen a non-ms document management system" thread. Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at joshwelch.com Mon Nov 22 11:42:45 2004 From: josh at joshwelch.com (josh@joshwelch.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router/Firewall Security -- Offtopic? In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD7432B5@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD7432B5@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <1101145365.41a225157cf41@joshwelch.com> Quoting Ben Neigebauer : > Everytime I see an exploit for XX version of linux or XX version of > windows I wonder if there are known vulnerabilities for my little D-Link > Router? > > > > How secure are these little guys, and if there is a known hole, will > D-Link notify me? > > > > Maybe I should go all out and just plunk down the cash for a used Cisco > Pix? > I don't see anything on D-Link's site about signing up for notifications of new software and/or vulnerabilities. My guess would be that they are going to take no great effort to notify you of something, I doubt that you have a support contract with them, so there is no financial incentive for them to do so. The low end manufacturers just don't build that into their business. They may make an effort if some really, really blatantly bad thing happened that they need to do a CYA maneuver for. Best way to find out is checking things like the bugtraq database, http://securityfocus.com/bid, there are entries there for D-Link. As for how secure is it? Probably good enough. Change the default settings for passwords and confirm that it has a relatively sane config and you will handle 99.9 of issues. Most of these "firewalls" are just NAT routers, and while NAT may not be appropriate for security, it does buy you something. If you are exposing services to the Internet, i.e. web server, ssh server, mail server, etc, the bigger issue is making sure that you are current on patches. Any sort of packet filter, of which the PIX is a variety, will only prevent allowing access to a service. If you make the choice to allow the Internet to connect to your apache server, the firewall is not going to stop julie the script kiddie from running the latest exploit against it. This is where proxy firewalls, i.e. application layer firewalls, come into play, as well as things like IDS and IPS. To make a long story longer, for your home network on a cable modem, you'll probably be ok. Typically speaking the nasty folks are looking to go after the low hanging fruit. There are lots of unpatched systems plugged directly into the cable modem, no sense making an effort to go after yours unless you have something special to offer. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Mon Nov 22 12:22:42 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <20041122171341.GA9201@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20041122171341.GA9201@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, James Kaufman wrote: > Two of the IT managers at the company for which I presently work had a > vist recently from Microsoft reps. The managers gave us a glowing > description of the future. Essentially, "We've seen Microsoft's vision. > They are incredible. We can't go wrong using their products. They are > going to have even more market share than ever before." > > I wish I saw more real change going on, but I'm still seeing business as > usual. Maybe I just need to get out more. Good one. Ever notice the part at the bottom of a press release that makes a disclaimer about "forward-looking statements"? I think the law provides that you may claim whatever you wish about the future, and no one can sue you for misleading him in his investment choices. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Mon Nov 22 17:11:46 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1101165106.16377.15.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Perhaps microslut might want to look into some more accountability? "Warezed SoundForge Files In Windows Media Player" http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/13/0036243&tid=133&tid=201&tid=109&tid=1 On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 11:14 -0600, Justin Kremer wrote: > At the very end of the original article... > "We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. > It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we > built it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," - Ballmer > WHAT?!? Isn't it the other way around? With open source, you know > who built it. Coming from Microsoft, all you know is that someone who > works for Microsoft built it. IMO there's a lot more accountability > when you stick your name on something rather than just the name of the > super-huge company you work for. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Mon Nov 22 17:27:36 2004 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: <41A15D38.3060303@ryanorourke.org> References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> <41A1378E.2020000@ryanorourke.org> <41A15D38.3060303@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <914f813c041122152766f452b6@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:30:00 -0600, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > Mike Miller wrote: > > I keep copies of ls and ps binaries on my system so that I can use them > > if I think I've been cracked. > > I don't understand what good that does if your system has been rooted > though. Why can't an attacker just change those saved binaries as well? An attacker could. I would pull down binary copies from a known-good source, or use knoppix, etc. as you have. > Now the question is - how do I go about figuring out how it was done? > What kind of forensics can I do to turn this into a learning > experience before I reformat and reinstall? This is very often difficult to do, especially if you can not detect how long your system has been compromised. If you wanted to make this a forensics exercise, do not boot off that hard drive again. Check things like file atimes and mtimes to see what files have been created or modified recently. You can also research what rootkit was used, and check out what other things that rootkit could have modified. You could also try to 'honeypot' the system, and stick an in-line sniffer in there to monitor system accesses. > I'm kind of suspecting that one of my Windows users may be at fault > here. Is it possible that one of them may have been compromised first > and then the attacker used a password or key found in WinSCP to > compromise my system? Or is it more likely the attack just came from > the Internet directly through my one open port, past my router, past > my firewall, and breached that way? What was the open port? Regardless, I would say that yes, a compromised Windows system is very commonly the source of an attack. Best of luck, John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From silwenae at silwenae.com Mon Nov 22 18:11:44 2004 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (Paul Cutler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router/Firewall Security -- Offtopic? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1101168704.5039.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> With all this talk of firewall distro's, what exactly are the disadvantages to running running your firewall on the same server as your webserver / ftp server / ssh server? I run one box in basement that does all of the above, and I use shorewall for setting up iptables. It's also the samba / fileserver for my family, hosting my music and pictures, and some gallery sites for my kids. All on my standard Roadrunner account. Just curious. Paul On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 10:59 -0600, sk3tch@sk3tch.net wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:59:58 -0600, Rick Meyerhoff > wrote: > > IPCop > > www.ipcop.org > > > > I would seriously consider using Astaro...free for home use (10 IPs, but > not limited in any way to 10) and full control. IPCop/Smoothwall only > have incoming protection. All outgoing traffic is allowed. > > http://www.astaro.com/ > > Also, the SMTP and HTTP proxies use the Kaspersky AV engine (the best in > terms of currency and hit rate). For about $60 you can get a 1 year sub > to that plus the content filtering option. > > I used to use IPCop (loved it) but I would never go back after using > Astaro again. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Mon Nov 22 21:22:37 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router/Firewall Security -- Offtopic? In-Reply-To: <1101168704.5039.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from silwenae@silwenae.com on Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 06:11:44PM -0600 References: <1101168704.5039.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041122212237.A7305@thinkunix.net> Paul Cutler wrote: > With all this talk of firewall distro's, what exactly are the > disadvantages to running running your firewall on the same server as > your webserver / ftp server / ssh server? The more services you put on a box and the more open ports you have, the greater your risk of getting hacked. Also, if you put all your eggs in one basket, you have more to loose in the event of a drive failure, breakin, whatever. > I run one box in basement that does all of the above, and I use > shorewall for setting up iptables. It's also the samba / fileserver for > my family, hosting my music and pictures, and some gallery sites for my > kids. All on my standard Roadrunner account. If you keep everything patched and updated, you *should* be fine. Make frequent backups though and have a plan on how you would restore should you lose a hard drive or another major component fails. Since you're not running any mission critical services (DNS, mail, web) you'll probably survive if your box was down for a period of time. In the end it comes down to how much can you afford to loose? The decision is yours. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Mon Nov 22 22:17:40 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: <914f813c041122152766f452b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> <41A1378E.2020000@ryanorourke.org> <41A15D38.3060303@ryanorourke.org> <914f813c041122152766f452b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41A2B9E4.6070509@ryanorourke.org> John T. Hoffoss wrote: > On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:30:00 -0600, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > >>Mike Miller wrote: >> >>>I keep copies of ls and ps binaries on my system so that I can use them >>>if I think I've been cracked. >> >>I don't understand what good that does if your system has been rooted >>though. Why can't an attacker just change those saved binaries as well? > > An attacker could. I would pull down binary copies from a known-good > source, or use knoppix, etc. as you have. I'm even more confused now since I've been doing a little investigating. As noted in a previous post, I've booted to Knoppix and mounted the primary drive. I get the same "Input/output error" when trying to ls that psfind script in /usr/local/bin that I got when I was booted to the suspected compromised system. How could that be if Knoppix's ls is pristine? Could these be legitimate I/O errors - possibly a bad hard drive, or a failing mobo? I also am still not seeing any data on the secondary drive. In fact, it won't even mount. It just spits out that standard "wrong filesystem type blah, blah" error when trying: mount -w -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 >>Now the question is - how do I go about figuring out how it was done? >>[...] > > This is very often difficult to do [...] Check > things like file atimes and mtimes to see what files have been created > or modified recently. You can also research what rootkit was used, and > check out what other things that rootkit could have modified. You > could also try to 'honeypot' the system, and stick an in-line sniffer > in there to monitor system accesses. I'll do some googling. Thanks for these suggestions. >>I'm kind of suspecting that one of my Windows users may be at fault >>here. Is it possible that one of them may have been compromised first >>and then the attacker used a password or key found in WinSCP to >>compromise my system? [...] > > What was the open port? 22 - SSH. I have about a half dozen friends across the country who I give SCP access to. They all use WinSCP and a few of them have pretty questionable security know-how. On my side I was using two different brands of routers and the built-in Fedora Core 1 firewall. I must confess that I hadn't updated my Fedora box in several months... in the midst of a move, wanted to upgrade anyway, not enough time, la la la. But there haven't been any remote kernel or SSH vulns in the past 6 months, have there? I'm pretty sure there weren't any for either router. Yes, I know that a router who is simply doing port forwarding is NOT an extremely effective line of defense, but I figured the router coupled with the Fedora firewall would suffice to keep the kiddies at bay from the OutsideWorld. > Regardless, I would say that yes, a compromised Windows system is very > commonly the source of an attack. So, am I correct in assuming that it wouldn't be extremely difficult to compromise a Windows box and use keys or saved sessions from WinSCP to gain access to my Linux box? I don't know enough about WinSCP to know how feasible this scenario is. -- Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Nov 23 00:29:31 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: <41A2B9E4.6070509@ryanorourke.org> References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> <41A1378E.2020000@ryanorourke.org> <41A15D38.3060303@ryanorourke.org> <914f813c041122152766f452b6@mail.gmail.com> <41A2B9E4.6070509@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > So, am I correct in assuming that it wouldn't be extremely difficult to > compromise a Windows box and use keys or saved sessions from WinSCP to > gain access to my Linux box? I don't know enough about WinSCP to know > how feasible this scenario is. They might just record keystrokes or something like that. Didn't you have a program that could tell you that you'd been compromised and then tell you what the evidence was? Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 07:50:30 2004 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <1101165106.16377.15.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> References: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> <1101165106.16377.15.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: <307a337f04112305506ecf55e4@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps if some of you could learn to say Microsoft as opposed to variations on the name, you'd have an easier time relaying the value of Linux to co-workers/management. I know if I presented any vendor in this manner I would have a hard time being taken seriously. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Tue Nov 23 08:14:25 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <307a337f04112305506ecf55e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> <1101165106.16377.15.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <307a337f04112305506ecf55e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Ryan Ware wrote: > Perhaps if some of you could learn to say Microsoft as opposed to > variations on the name, you'd have an easier time relaying the value > of Linux to co-workers/management. Micros....oops. Microshhhhhh...dangit! Micro$...wait, I can do this... Microspffft...shoot! No wait, really I'm sure I can... Macro...mackerel...mickey...No No No! That ain't right. Alright, you got me. I guess I can't say The Name. (I was going to do "The Geeks who say Microsoft!" but you were expecting that.) Are you saying "Microsoft!" to that old woman? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 08:37:56 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <7FF3D1A1-3977-11D9-996A-000A95D92230@omega.org> References: <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> <20041118142338.70967.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> <7FF3D1A1-3977-11D9-996A-000A95D92230@omega.org> Message-ID: <65293fcc04112306376539880d@mail.gmail.com> Anyone know anything new on this topic? On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:35:39 -0600, Matthew Johnson wrote: > For those who haven't yet seen Pat's Letter... > > > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/PAT-NEEDS-YOUR- > HELP.txt > > On Nov 18, 2004, at 9:22 AM, wrote: > > > It sounds like he dosnt really want monetrary donations.. he mostly > > just wants someone who can help him. Though, if he does find someone, > > the money might help his treatment. But based on his letter, it sounds > > like he is not accepting money at this time. But, we could collect > > donations and give them to some other worthy cause (any of the cancer > > societies/foundations for example) in his name. > > > > [clip clip] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Tue Nov 23 08:44:29 2004 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (Jason Reynolds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disk Imaging System / Backup Message-ID: <200411231436.iANEaXDL008233@ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sos at zjod.net Tue Nov 23 10:09:42 2004 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disk Imaging System / Backup In-Reply-To: from "Jason Reynolds" at Nov 23, 2004 08:44:29 AM Message-ID: <200411231609.iANG9gv10277@zjod.net> Jason Reynolds wrote: > > I am looking for the best way to image hard drives. I will be having many > drives that need to be stored. Speed is important, so I'm not waiting too > long for drives to image. > > I am hoping to find some hardware device that is a connect a drive and image > type device. If not a software solution will work as well. It would be nice > if the data was able to be imaged onto a local network drive. But that is > not necessary. > > This is to create backups of drives before they are worked on. That way if > the hard drive fails during operation I have a backup. > > Jason Reynolds > If you're looking for complete backups that preserve filesystem structure across the backup, then dd(1) is your friend. However, you might reconsider using network drives, which, since they run at the speed of the network, aren't anywhere near as fast as another disk connected to the same machine. -S _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Tue Nov 23 10:23:35 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <307a337f04112305506ecf55e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> <1101165106.16377.15.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <307a337f04112305506ecf55e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Ryan Ware wrote: > Perhaps if some of you could learn to say Microsoft as opposed to > variations on the name, you'd have an easier time relaying the value of > Linux to co-workers/management. > > I know if I presented any vendor in this manner I would have a hard time > being taken seriously. You think that's my problem? You are kidding, right? Just in case you are serious, I think people just write that way on the Linux list and not to the management at their businesses, but I could be wrong. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Nov 23 11:17:17 2004 From: smac at visi.com (smac@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: References: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> <1101165106.16377.15.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <307a337f04112305506ecf55e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1101230237.41a3709d33ff2@my.visi.com> It's just on the list it isn't something we embrace in business. Sam. Quoting Mike Miller : > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Ryan Ware wrote: > > > Perhaps if some of you could learn to say Microsoft as opposed to > > variations on the name, you'd have an easier time relaying the value of > > Linux to co-workers/management. > > > > I know if I presented any vendor in this manner I would have a hard time > > being taken seriously. > > > You think that's my problem? You are kidding, right? > > Just in case you are serious, I think people just write that way on the > Linux list and not to the management at their businesses, but I could be > wrong. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Nov 23 11:41:24 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPSec <=> Cisco on Fedora Core Message-ID: <55613.67.107.38.35.1101231684.squirrel@dccmn.com> I've been looking into the possibilities of setting up an IPSec connection between my home server (Fedora Core) and work network (using a Cisco PIX firewall). The Admins there have the VPN set up to use the Cisco VPN Client (which I believe is IPSec). I'd like to set up an IPSec connection, but the parameters the Admins have given me don't seem to fall in with what I know of IPSec. To complicate things a bit, the Fedora IPSec implementation is pretty poorly documented. Most references I've seen refer to it as 26sec and that it is a derivative of Kame. Anyone used 26sec to talk to Cisco? Anyone have references? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jwreese0 at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 05:55:15 2004 From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Disk imaging system / backup Message-ID: <1101297314.5390.15.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> I too need to back up some pretty hefty systems (~ 8 GB), so not only will I need to write to DVD instead of iso9660 (<= 700 MB), but I'll also need to span DVDs. I looked up some manuals on dd and mkisofs, and it is not clear to me that either of them can do this. Anyone else out there encounter this problem? Better yet, has anyone resolved it? John Reese _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Tue Nov 23 12:10:32 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPSec <=> Cisco on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <55613.67.107.38.35.1101231684.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <55613.67.107.38.35.1101231684.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <1101233432.41a37d18e0777@joshwelch.com> Quoting Wayne Johnson : > I've been looking into the possibilities of setting up an IPSec connection > between my home server (Fedora Core) and work network (using a Cisco PIX > firewall). The Admins there have the VPN set up to use the Cisco VPN > Client (which I believe is IPSec). I'd like to set up an IPSec > connection, but the parameters the Admins have given me don't seem to fall > in with what I know of IPSec. > > To complicate things a bit, the Fedora IPSec implementation is pretty > poorly documented. Most references I've seen refer to it as 26sec and > that it is a derivative of Kame. > > Anyone used 26sec to talk to Cisco? Anyone have references? > I've not got a Fedora box speaking to my PIX, but I might be able to offer some insight into what your admins are giving you. If they are using the Cisco VPN Client, they are probably using the Cisco EZ VPN Server on the PIX. From my knowledge it is IPSec, but the authentication phase is a custom Cisco hack that works fairly well for the intended pupose but has, to my knowledge, virtually no interoperability. I believe that for you to get a tunnel from your Red Hat box you would need to sweet talk your admin into setting up another isakmp policy and crypto map for your setup. I could be wrong, but I think that is why wha they are giving you looks different from what you expect. Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Nov 23 12:18:06 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Disk imaging system / backup In-Reply-To: <1101297314.5390.15.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> References: <1101297314.5390.15.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> Message-ID: <20041123181806.GA15490@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 05:55:15AM -0600, John Reese wrote: > I too need to back up some pretty hefty systems (~ 8 GB), so not only > will I need to write to DVD instead of iso9660 (<= 700 MB), but I'll > also need to span DVDs. I looked up some manuals on dd and mkisofs, > and it is not clear to me that either of them can do this. Anyone else > out there encounter this problem? Better yet, has anyone resolved it? Have you considered using tape backups? I know the volume-spanning problem has been resolved with that medium. Or just get >8 Gb tapes. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Nov 23 12:30:46 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPSec <=> Cisco on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <55613.67.107.38.35.1101231684.squirrel@dccmn.com>; from waynej@dccmn.com on Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 11:41:24AM -0600 References: <55613.67.107.38.35.1101231684.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20041123123046.A20837@thinkunix.net> Wayne Johnson wrote: > I've been looking into the possibilities of setting up an IPSec connection > between my home server (Fedora Core) and work network (using a Cisco PIX > firewall). The Admins there have the VPN set up to use the Cisco VPN > Client (which I believe is IPSec). I'd like to set up an IPSec > connection, but the parameters the Admins have given me don't seem to fall > in with what I know of IPSec. Have you tried using the Cisco VPN client for Linux? I used it several months ago and it worked ok on a Debian system with a 2.4.x kernel. You run their installer, setup 1 config file, then run an init script and it just works. Your Cisco admins should be able to download you a copy from the Cisco support site. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Nov 23 13:33:45 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPSec <=> Cisco on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <20041123123046.A20837@thinkunix.net> References: <55613.67.107.38.35.1101231684.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20041123123046.A20837@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <3630.67.107.38.35.1101238425.squirrel@dccmn.com> My understanding is that only supported a single endpoint, where I'd like to setup a gateway. Last I saw of the Cisco client, it required a rebuild of the kernal. Maybe that's changed with 2.4? Scot Jenkins said: > Wayne Johnson wrote: >> I've been looking into the possibilities of setting up an IPSec >> connection between my home server (Fedora Core) and work network >> (using a Cisco PIX firewall). The Admins there have the VPN set up to >> use the Cisco VPN Client (which I believe is IPSec). I'd like to set >> up an IPSec >> connection, but the parameters the Admins have given me don't seem to >> fall in with what I know of IPSec. > > Have you tried using the Cisco VPN client for Linux? I used it several > months ago and it worked ok on a Debian system with a 2.4.x kernel. You > run their installer, setup 1 config file, then run an init script and it > just works. Your Cisco admins should be able to download you a copy > from the Cisco support site. > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got > pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Nov 23 13:30:22 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPSec <=> Cisco on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <1101233432.41a37d18e0777@joshwelch.com> References: <55613.67.107.38.35.1101231684.squirrel@dccmn.com> <1101233432.41a37d18e0777@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <3193.67.107.38.35.1101238222.squirrel@dccmn.com> According to them: Our VPN client setup (on Cisco PIX 515 with DES encryption option) uses group logon type with shared key for client VPN access. The .pcf has AuthType=1. Not sure what that equates to. As far as the looks, they always look that way 8{)> Thanks. Josh Welch said: > Quoting Wayne Johnson : > >> I've been looking into the possibilities of setting up an IPSec >> connection between my home server (Fedora Core) and work network >> (using a Cisco PIX firewall). The Admins there have the VPN set up to >> use the Cisco VPN Client (which I believe is IPSec). I'd like to set >> up an IPSec >> connection, but the parameters the Admins have given me don't seem to >> fall in with what I know of IPSec. >> >> To complicate things a bit, the Fedora IPSec implementation is pretty >> poorly documented. Most references I've seen refer to it as 26sec and >> that it is a derivative of Kame. >> >> Anyone used 26sec to talk to Cisco? Anyone have references? >> > > I've not got a Fedora box speaking to my PIX, but I might be able to > offer some insight into what your admins are giving you. If they are > using the Cisco VPN Client, they are probably using the Cisco EZ VPN > Server on the PIX. From my knowledge it is IPSec, but the authentication > phase is a custom Cisco hack that works fairly well for the intended > pupose but has, to my knowledge, virtually no interoperability. I > believe that for you to get a tunnel from your Red Hat box you would > need to sweet talk your admin into setting up another isakmp policy and > crypto map for your setup. > > I could be wrong, but I think that is why wha they are giving you looks > different from what you expect. > > Thanks, > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got > pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Nov 23 13:46:01 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPSec <=> Cisco on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3630.67.107.38.35.1101238425.squirrel@dccmn.com>; from waynej@dccmn.com on Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 01:33:45PM -0600 References: <55613.67.107.38.35.1101231684.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20041123123046.A20837@thinkunix.net> <3630.67.107.38.35.1101238425.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20041123134601.A655@thinkunix.net> Wayne Johnson wrote: > My understanding is that only supported a single endpoint, where I'd like > to setup a gateway. > > Last I saw of the Cisco client, it required a rebuild of the kernal. > Maybe that's changed with 2.4? The version I used was just a Cisco VPN client for Linux that would allow you to connect your Linux box to a remote system running Cisco's VPN server software. It shipped with a pre-built (yuck!) loadable kernel module and I believe it required a 2.4.x kernel. If you're looking to setup a point-to-point VPN using your Linux box on one end and a Cisco on the other, I'm pretty certain that VPN client is not going to help you at all. Look into FreeS/WAN (IPSec for Linux) or something like OpenVPN. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 13:52:45 2004 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pat Volkerding / Slackware In-Reply-To: <65293fcc04112306376539880d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041117192655.7058eacb.rudie@rudie.net> <20041118142338.70967.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com> <7FF3D1A1-3977-11D9-996A-000A95D92230@omega.org> <65293fcc04112306376539880d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <67f3084a04112311521e8214e1@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:37:56 -0600, John Meier wrote: > Anyone know anything new on this topic? > > I was just wondering the same myself. I had planned on talking to a friend's wife who works in the cardiac/respiratory unit in a major metro hospital. Unfortunately, I was involved in an auto accident shortly before I could. Since then, I've been dealing with insurance companies, projects at work and doctor's visits. Shawn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 23 13:56:44 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IPSec <=> Cisco on Fedora Core In-Reply-To: <3193.67.107.38.35.1101238222.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <55613.67.107.38.35.1101231684.squirrel@dccmn.com> <1101233432.41a37d18e0777@joshwelch.com> <3193.67.107.38.35.1101238222.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Wayne Johnson wrote: > According to them: Our VPN client setup (on Cisco PIX 515 with DES > encryption option) uses group logon type with shared key for client VPN > access. The .pcf has AuthType=1. Not sure what that equates to. > > As far as the looks, they always look that way 8{)> Cisco's "group authentication" stuff is known as XAuth. You may be able to use Openswan to connect to the gateway, depending on the exact Cisco model. Double-check with the Openswan list before trying, probably. I also have no idea if the XAuth stuff in Openswan works with 26sec, or if it just works with KLIPS. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 14:40:52 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <307a337f04112305506ecf55e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> <1101165106.16377.15.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <307a337f04112305506ecf55e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc041123124010222ffe@mail.gmail.com> dood - WH4+ +3H hECK @r3 J00 TalK1N' @b0U+? W1nd0Ze 5ucK5. IPH m4N493MEN+ DoN'T kNOW wH@t "wINdoZ3" mEanS, +HEN +H3y 5hOULD B3 r00+eD 4nD REpl@ceD. :D :) On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:50:30 -0600, Ryan Ware wrote: > Perhaps if some of you could learn to say Microsoft as opposed to > variations on the name, you'd have an easier time relaying the value > of Linux to co-workers/management. > > I know if I presented any vendor in this manner I would have a hard > time being taken seriously. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 23 15:01:41 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <65293fcc041123124010222ffe@mail.gmail.com> References: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> <1101165106.16377.15.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> <307a337f04112305506ecf55e4@mail.gmail.com> <65293fcc041123124010222ffe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041123210141.GA17313@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Tue Nov 23 15:03:57 2004 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Input/output error, missing files In-Reply-To: <41A2B9E4.6070509@ryanorourke.org> References: <41A11438.8010303@ryanorourke.org> <41A13466.3030603@visi.com> <41A1378E.2020000@ryanorourke.org> <41A15D38.3060303@ryanorourke.org> <914f813c041122152766f452b6@mail.gmail.com> <41A2B9E4.6070509@ryanorourke.org> Message-ID: <914f813c04112313032f9ea567@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:17:40 -0600, Ryan O'Rourke wrote: > So, am I correct in assuming that it wouldn't be extremely difficult > to compromise a Windows box and use keys or saved sessions from WinSCP > to gain access to my Linux box? I don't know enough about WinSCP to > know how feasible this scenario is. Yeah; if your friends generated a keypair and use that for authentication, rather than user/password, all an attacker would have to do is find the private key (probably stored on his harddisk) and identify the username and remote host, which could simply be saved in a configuration file for winscp if your remote user saved the profile (which they probably did.) Ignoring the certs, as Mike Miller point out, an attacker could've installed a keylogger and captured a password that way. As to the errors you're getting, I can only guess that perhaps the rootkit was loaded in memory and translated some bit-shifting/off-by-one file or memory locations or something to create these types of errors when viewed outside of the compromised environment, as you are dong. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jwreese0 at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 10:33:24 2004 From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John Reese) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Disk imaging system / backup Message-ID: <1101314004.5382.13.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> John J. Trammel writes: >Have you considered using tape backups? I know the >volume-spanning >problem has been resolved with that medium. Or just get >8 Gb >tapes. There are a couple of reasons I would prefer an optical disc solution to magnetic tape, but neither are so compelling that I simply could not try to use tape. I think there would be some interesting issues restoring the whole OS to a blank hard drive using tape, but I know it can be done. It's just a lot easier to do it from optical disk, either CD or DVD, and I'm a lazy guy. Does Symantec Ghost support DVD and ReiserFS? Just curious. John Reese _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Nov 23 15:26:48 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411232126.iANLQmY23148@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: A bunch of computer parts I'm cleaning out tons of random computer stuff I have in my bedroom, so here's the list so far. All prices listed are "or best reasonable offer." Pickup of parts is appreciated, but delivery will be considered if needed. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Nov 23 15:45:50 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Disk imaging system / backup In-Reply-To: <1101314004.5382.13.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> References: <1101314004.5382.13.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> Message-ID: <20041123214549.GB20611@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 10:33:24AM -0600, John Reese wrote: > John J. Trammel writes: > >> Have you considered using tape backups? I know the volume-spanning >> problem has been resolved with that medium. Or just get >8 Gb tapes. > > There are a couple of reasons I would prefer an optical disc solution > to magnetic tape, but neither are so compelling that I simply could > not try to use tape. I think there would be some interesting issues > restoring the whole OS to a blank hard drive using tape, but I know it > can be done. It's just a lot easier to do it from optical disk, either > CD or DVD, and I'm a lazy guy. > > Does Symantec Ghost support DVD and ReiserFS? Just curious. Yes and no. I am also pretty sure Ghost supports spanning volumes. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Nov 23 16:23:43 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411232223.iANMNhZ27654@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Used up laptop batteries Two used up batteries. Genuine IBM. For ThinkPad 600/E/X. Still sealed and ready for refurbishing. $3 each, plus shipping or you pick up. uhm... or best offer Seller Email address: cschumann at twp-llc dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Nov 23 16:36:39 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Disk imaging system / backup In-Reply-To: <1101297314.5390.15.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> References: <1101297314.5390.15.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> Message-ID: <20041123163639.A9445@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 05:55:15AM -0600, John Reese wrote: > I too need to back up some pretty hefty systems (~ 8 GB), so not only > will I need to write to DVD instead of iso9660 (<= 700 MB), but I'll > also need to span DVDs. I looked up some manuals on dd and mkisofs, and > it is not clear to me that either of them can do this. Anyone else out > there encounter this problem? Better yet, has anyone resolved it? I don't think that there's a way around this problem directly with dd, but there's quite a bit of backup software that can deal with the problem. My personal favorite is backuppc (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/), though it may be overkill for your needs. Backuppc is designed primarily to store backups to hard disks, but it has the ability to archive those backups to tape, CD, and DVD and it can span multiple disks. A simpler method might just be to use k3b. You can manually pick sections of you disks that will fit on one DVD. Or use it with dar or kdar. Another tool that should work is mondo. I have heard good things about Amanda which is designed to make backups to tape, but can has a module which allows the use of CD/DVD. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Nov 24 03:33:17 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411240933.iAO9XHj02037@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 1.6GHz Duron MiniPC Placing ad again since no takers last time - I'd rather sell it to someone local than eBay it! This is a mATX-factor MiniPC - it's about 18" tall! Features include: o 1.6GHz Duron CPU o 256MB PC2100 RAM o 40GB Harddrive o CDRW... I /think/ x36/16/36. o SOYO motherboard, with builtin video, audio and LAN (all work under Linux). o 6 USB ports (4 back, 2 front). It has some barely-visible nicks - I have more and bigger pictures. The ad board doesn't like when I type URLs in here, so remove the spaces: http:// pics.freakzilla.com /ng/ $250 OBO. Seller Email address: tclcl at freakzilla dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Wed Nov 24 08:56:21 2004 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A4A115.90705@veldy.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Nov 24 09:26:50 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration References: <41A4A115.90705@veldy.net> Message-ID: <008801c4d23a$054ff9c0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Outside of /etc/passwd, what other files would a person move over so users could access the mail boxes on the new server _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 24 09:46:00 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration In-Reply-To: <008801c4d23a$054ff9c0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <41A4A115.90705@veldy.net> <008801c4d23a$054ff9c0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <20041124154600.GE24290@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Wed Nov 24 10:00:09 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration In-Reply-To: <008801c4d23a$054ff9c0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <41A4A115.90705@veldy.net> <008801c4d23a$054ff9c0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <1101312009.41a4b0092abdc@joshwelch.com> Quoting Raymond Norton : > Outside of /etc/passwd, what other files would a person move over so users > could access the mail boxes on the new server > Off the top of my head, these seem important: /etc/shadow /etc/group /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny Check perms after moving the passwd, shadow, and group files, don't want to be making those world writable by accident. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Nov 24 10:03:45 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration References: <41A4A115.90705@veldy.net> <008801c4d23a$054ff9c0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> <20041124154600.GE24290@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <00c301c4d23f$2d8bdd50$0a00a8c0@DELL2> What occurs during scp that you can't just copy over existing passwd, shadow, group, and /home files to the new server and get them to work? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at whee.org Wed Nov 24 10:11:26 2004 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration In-Reply-To: <20041124154600.GE24290@wookimus.net> References: <41A4A115.90705@veldy.net> <008801c4d23a$054ff9c0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> <20041124154600.GE24290@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Raymond Norton wrote: >> Outside of /etc/passwd, what other files would a person move over so users >> could access the mail boxes on the new server > > You're asking about a UNIX/Linux style migration, then? Tim is going to > have to obtain the user account information one way or another. It's > not likely he'll be able to preserve passwords, so he'll have to > generate a list of new passwords. In the past, I've modified qpopper to log usernames and passwords to a flatfile. I did this when migrating 1000's of accounts between servers that used different password hash schemes (or some other obstacle that prevents just copying passwd over, like different system accounts). You just turn it on for a few days (however long it takes for all accounts to have logged in), and then take it back out when you're done. You'll have a text file of usernamepassword, which you should be able to munge into the new password file pretty easily. I've never saved the code, but it's VERY simple (at least in qpopper). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Wed Nov 24 10:50:06 2004 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (gsker@tcfreenet.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI development: how? In-Reply-To: <20041121205258.1a7209dc.crc1021@myrealbox.com> References: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> <20041121194146.A27539@thinkunix.net> <20041121205258.1a7209dc.crc1021@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: I've used gdialog and found it handy for simple things. I see this: gsker@veeta:~>rpm -qf /usr/bin/gdialog gnome-utils-2.6.0-2 gsker@veeta:~>rpm -ql gnome-utils | grep /usr/bin/ /usr/bin/charmap /usr/bin/gcalctool ... /usr/bin/zenity Hmmmm. man zenity NAME zenity - display GTK+ dialogs DESCRIPTION zenity is a program that will display GTK+ dialogs, and return (either in the return code, or on standard output) the users input. This allows you to present information, and ask for information from the user, from all manner of shell scripts. Might be even better than gdialog. There's a package out there for front ending command line things on a universal basis. /me googles http://kaptain.sourceforge.net/#examples HTH Gerry On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Eric wrote: > If passing parameters is all you want, then something a simple as dialog or xdialog (which uses the gtk library) should work. It is easier to work into existing shell scripts. > Eric > -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Wed Nov 24 12:33:01 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] large email migration In-Reply-To: <00c301c4d23f$2d8bdd50$0a00a8c0@DELL2> References: <41A4A115.90705@veldy.net> <008801c4d23a$054ff9c0$0a00a8c0@DELL2> <20041124154600.GE24290@wookimus.net> <00c301c4d23f$2d8bdd50$0a00a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Raymond Norton wrote: > What occurs during scp that you can't just copy over existing passwd, > shadow, group, and /home files to the new server and get them to work? Make sure to use the -p option: -p Tells scp2 to preserve file attributes and timestamps Then make sure that the file ownerships are correct. I'm not sure that the -p option preserves file ownership. I'm pretty sure that it is much safer, for /home, to use tar create, with the correct options, then scp and tar extract. Maybe someone else will have more recent experience doing this. I last did it more than three years ago. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at nomeaning.net Wed Nov 24 12:54:41 2004 From: tclug at nomeaning.net (Eric Lambart) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Disk imaging system / backup In-Reply-To: <20041123163639.A9445@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <1101297314.5390.15.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> <20041123163639.A9445@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1101322481.29617.26.camel@wkstn1> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 16:36 -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 05:55:15AM -0600, John Reese wrote: > > I too need to back up some pretty hefty systems (~ 8 GB), so not only > > will I need to write to DVD instead of iso9660 (<= 700 MB), but I'll > > also need to span DVDs. I looked up some manuals on dd and mkisofs, and > > it is not clear to me that either of them can do this. Anyone else out > > there encounter this problem? Better yet, has anyone resolved it? > > I don't think that there's a way around this problem directly > with dd, but there's quite a bit of backup software that can deal > with the problem. With dd, can't you just specify bs=BYTES and count=BLOCKS, to copy only as many bytes as will just (but maybe not quite) fill up one DVD, and then run dd the nth time with skip=BLOCKS, specifying the number of blocks you already copied? i.e. DVD 1: dd if=/dev/hdrive of=/dev/dvd-r bs=1K count=4MB DVD 2: dd if=/dev/hdrive of=/dev/dvd-r bs=1K count=4MB skip=4MB DVD n: dd if=/dev/hdrive of=/dev/dvd-r bs=1K count=4MB skip=4(n-1)MB and to restore (use at YOUR own risk!): DVD 1: dd if=/dev/dvd-r of=/dev/hdrive bs=1K count=4MB DVD n: dd if=/dev/hdrive of=/dev/dvd-r bs=1K count=4MB skip=4(n-1)MB Of course, you may get better performance with a different block size, and I'm assuming 4GB disks, and not sure whether you should say 4MB (4,000,000) or 4M (4,194,304) but it certainly seems possible to me that you can use dd. You'd be doing a simple 'image' backup here though, with no simple way to access individual files or directories. Anyone see a reason why this wouldn't work? I'm not sure you can just write to a DVD-R using dd... maybe you need to make an image file first? If it's not clear, I have NOT tested this in any way! I was just reading the dd manpage. I've only used dd to copy floppies and hard drives (to other hard drives). Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.net Wed Nov 24 13:05:22 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] per directory permissions (rwx + umask) Message-ID: <41A4DB72.3040305@cdf123.net> Hi gang, I was wondering if there was a way to set a directory to force certain permissions on new files created there. I keep thinking of the sticky-bits for directories, but that just sets the group and owner permissions. Is there a way to have your default umask set for 026, but have a 022 for certain directories only? I'm trying to have users create files in their ~/public_html directories for website access. But I'd like to keep my umask at 026 at least, and that leaves the new files unreadable to the website. Is there something simple I can do, or am I stuck with a cron job, or setting up ACLs? Thanks all. Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Wed Nov 24 15:37:10 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Disk imaging system / backup In-Reply-To: <1101297314.5390.15.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> References: <1101297314.5390.15.camel@jupiter.lowbrau.net> Message-ID: <20041124213709.GA19557@callisto> On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 05:55:15AM -0600, John Reese wrote: > I too need to back up some pretty hefty systems (~ 8 GB), so not only > will I need to write to DVD instead of iso9660 (<= 700 MB), but I'll > also need to span DVDs. I looked up some manuals on dd and mkisofs, and > it is not clear to me that either of them can do this. Anyone else out > there encounter this problem? Better yet, has anyone resolved it? > > John Reese > I'm having good luck with partimage. It's included on Feather linux and I think Knoppix as well, so you can do nice things like run linux out of ram, and store your images on cd or over nfs or smbfs. And it'll break up your image into x sized pieces if you want. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Nov 24 15:49:23 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411242149.iAOLnNM09181@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: 2 U Rack Mount PC For sale: 2U Rack Mount Server 128 MB Ram Pentium III 500 CPU Integrated Adaptec SCSI (Internal) CD-ROM Floppy Drive Quantum 18.2 Gig 7200 RPM SCSI Drive (Missing Cable and Terminator) Integrated Network and Video. Intel 440GX Chipset. *Supports console redirection over serial port. Control your bios over serial! Price $60 Also: 4U Rack Mount Case $10 (Missing a couple bits but has ATX Power Supply) Intel 440GX Motherboard $10 Soundblaster Live Value $10 Linksys 10/100 Network card $5 OBO Email is b@spam.neigebauer.com (leave the spam in) Seller Email address: b at spam dot neigebauer dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ston0235 at umn.edu Wed Nov 24 16:12:40 2004 From: ston0235 at umn.edu (Ian Stoner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] session saving in firefox Message-ID: <20041124161240.25f6bde2.ston0235@umn.edu> Back in the Firefox 0.8 days, there was an extension called "Session Saver" that would save the state of the browser when it was shut down (like Opera). I haven't been able to find a comparable extension for Firefox 1.0. Does anyone know if it is possible to get the browser at least to save tabs when closed? Also, what is the best way to get Firefox to open mailto links in an email client? -- Ian Stoner Philosophy Department University of Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Nov 24 17:13:02 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] session saving in firefox In-Reply-To: <20041124161240.25f6bde2.ston0235@umn.edu> References: <20041124161240.25f6bde2.ston0235@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20041124231302.GG11107@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com Wed Nov 24 17:41:28 2004 From: there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] per directory permissions (rwx + umask) In-Reply-To: <41A4DB72.3040305@cdf123.net> References: <41A4DB72.3040305@cdf123.net> Message-ID: how are the users accessing their home directories? FTP? If so perhaps you can set your ftp daemon to a default umask of your choosing... On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:05:22 -0600, Chris Frederick wrote: > Hi gang, > > I was wondering if there was a way to set a directory to force certain > permissions on new files created there. I keep thinking of the > sticky-bits for directories, but that just sets the group and owner > permissions. Is there a way to have your default umask set for 026, but > have a 022 for certain directories only? > > I'm trying to have users create files in their ~/public_html directories > for website access. But I'd like to keep my umask at 026 at least, and > that leaves the new files unreadable to the website. Is there something > simple I can do, or am I stuck with a cron job, or setting up ACLs? > > Thanks all. > > Chris Frederick > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Loren H. Burlingame GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ajaybehl at gmail.com Wed Nov 24 17:54:21 2004 From: ajaybehl at gmail.com (Ajay S. Behl) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] session saving in firefox In-Reply-To: <20041124231302.GG11107@iucha.net> References: <20041124161240.25f6bde2.ston0235@umn.edu> <20041124231302.GG11107@iucha.net> Message-ID: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/tbe This should do the trick for you. Cheers! Ajay On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:13:02 -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 04:12:40PM -0600, Ian Stoner wrote: > > Back in the Firefox 0.8 days, there was an extension called "Session > > Saver" that would save the state of the browser when it was shut down > > (like Opera). I haven't been able to find a comparable extension for > > Firefox 1.0. Does anyone know if it is possible to get the browser at > > least to save tabs when closed? > > http://www.pikey.me.uk/mozilla/#ss > > florin > > -- > > Don't question authority: they don't know either! > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Nov 24 18:20:31 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411250020.iAP0KVR11493@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: PCI USB card Looking for a(ny) USB card to go in an empty PCI slot I have in my MythTv box. I know new ones are cheap, but I'm even cheaper and it's hard to use cash at newegg.... Seller Email address: john dot meier at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Wed Nov 24 19:17:30 2004 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry W) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firefox extensions Message-ID: <41A532AA.7090703@comcast.net> One extension I liked and they just added it was "Stumbleupon": www stumbleupon com When I get bored of surfing the same old stuff, I use the "Stumblepon" to see what comes up. Sometimes interesting, sometimes the sites are "duds". But after loading stumbleupon in Firefox 1.0 the second "stumble" was "/.", one I usually check every day, hmmmmm! Have been a "Netscape", "Mozilla" user from when I had att.worldwide.net" account with the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Purchased the software at "Daytons" for about $20 back about 1995 or 1996. It used Netscape version 1.2 or near that version for a browser. Moved to Mozilla when Netscape failed to update from version 7.0. Now Mozilla Firefox is really a great browser and Thunderbird is a neat email client. Jerry W _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at ryanorourke.org Wed Nov 24 20:16:05 2004 From: tclug at ryanorourke.org (Ryan O'Rourke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vsftpd use SSL by default in Fedora Core 3? Message-ID: <41A54065.8040509@ryanorourke.org> Does anyone know if the vsftpd rpm in Fedora Core 3 has "--enable-ssl" compiled by default? Or, how do I ask rpm to give me that information? Or, what is the configuration option I would need to pass to RPM in order to install it with SSL enabled? (along the lines of: 'rpm -Uvh --with=ssl_enable vsftpd*.rpm') 'rpm -q --dump vsftpd' gives me a lot of info, but nothing about ssl. 'rpm -qpi vsftpd', 'rpm -q --specfile vsftpd', and 'rpm -Uvh --with=enable_ssl vsftpd*.rpm' only yield error messages. Thank you. -- Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Nov 25 09:25:34 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Sorta OT] Archiving Old Email Message-ID: <20041125092534.00001d8f@schubert> Anyone have suggestions for arching old email in a MySQL/PostgreSQL database? I have 1000's of messages from years of being on mailing lists. Many messages I can probably delete, but many I want to keep around. My IMAP client (sylpheed) bogs down with the amount of mail I'm going through. Yes I know I could just use grep, but part of the reason for wanting to archive these in a RDBMS is to have a web-accessible search page that takes advantage of things like FULLTEXT indexes. Anyone know of an Open Source tool that does this? Didn't find much of anything on google. I'd hate to write my own. Thought about moving old messages to some archive location and run htdig on them to create a search page, but I'd prefer something that was specifically designed to handle email. Thx and happy turkey day (if you celebrate it), Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Nov 25 09:59:38 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Best Message-ID: <41A6016A.8060605@visi.com> Of Holidays to all! Happy Thanks Giving! Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu Thu Nov 25 12:34:41 2004 From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Sorta OT] Archiving Old Email In-Reply-To: <20041125092534.00001d8f@schubert> References: <20041125092534.00001d8f@schubert> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Anyone have suggestions for arching old email in a MySQL/PostgreSQL > database? I have 1000's of messages from years of being on mailing > lists. Many messages I can probably delete, but many I want to keep > around. My IMAP client (sylpheed) bogs down with the amount of mail I'm > going through. Yes I know I could just use grep, but part of the reason > for wanting to archive these in a RDBMS is to have a web-accessible > search page that takes advantage of things like FULLTEXT indexes. > > Anyone know of an Open Source tool that does this? What a great question. There must be a better way than what I do. I have mbox files - one per month since 1/1/1995, that were saved by Pine. To find old messages, I use 'grepmail' - a nice Perl program: http://grepmail.sourceforge.net/ It writes to stdout and can read from stdin, so it is possible to chain grepmail commands to do fairly sophisticated regexp searches?using Boolean 'AND' with multiple patterns from different fields. It works OK, but your plan sounds way better. Mike -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Nov 25 21:03:41 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI development: how? [Mozilla/XUL] In-Reply-To: <41A15A08.9030006@esox.us> References: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> <41A15A08.9030006@esox.us> Message-ID: <16806.40205.386195.531824@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Dave" == Dave Erickson writes: Dave> Brian Wall wrote: >> I have some proprietary command line utilities that I need to set up >> for non geeks. I'm going to be adding them to some sort of live >> distro (Knoppix most likely). I want to build an X front end so I >> don't have to teach a zillion switches (starting with what /dev/hda1 >> is and where drive C: went). Just one problem: I haven't even >> attempted GUI development on linux, and I don't know where to start. >> I want a basic frontend that will just pass paramters to the command >> line utilities. >> >> I've thought about using Apache/PHP to build a frontend, which would >> work, but inevitably I'd need something more robust. Besides, I may >> publish my code if it turns out to be useful and I'd rather not have >> server requirements for such a simple task. Anyone got suggestions? >> >> -Brian Dave> Could you do that in XUL? Dave> I'd like to create a XUL front end to iptables myself......... [I realize that this is late in the day, to respond to, but I've gotten behind in my list reading...] After having wrestled with a couple of attempts at using XUL/Mozilla, and having slogged through most of both Creating Applications with Mozilla and Rapid Application Development with Mozilla, I simply don't see the appeal. AFAICT, to write an application using Mozilla, you have to master not only XUL (that wouldn't be so bad), but also JavaScript, RDF, and a very, very complicated process of installing your new code into the guts of Mozilla. Worse than that, the process seems to be essentially without debug support. I have actually expressed this to the author of the RAD with Mozilla book, and his answer was essentially `yeah, that's true, but there are a lot of people who already grok JavaScript, XML and RDF, so it's not a problem.' Unless you are really gung-ho for this, I'd recommend using something much simpler, like Tcl/Tk. You only have to master ONE language, and then you are done. There are perl bindings for Tk, too, if you really know perl, but my impression is that those are only useful if you've already done some Tcl/Tk. Many people also swear by python + wxWidgets or GTk Two provisos: 1. I'd be DELIGHTED if someone out there could say "you ignorant knucklehead, you just do X (for some simple value of X) and you can whip together a Mozilla/XUL application in no time!" I'm far from being a Mozilla detractor --- if I was, I would never have ponied up for the two books and tried to work through them. 2. My feeling is that for rapid UI development, any solution without an interpreter you can type expressions at and watch the resulting UI is a non-starter. More power to you if you are willing to sit through a compile cycle (or stop a running Mozilla, install new software, and restart), but it ain't me, babe! Best, Robert _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From linuser at esox.us Thu Nov 25 23:28:42 2004 From: linuser at esox.us (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI development: how? [Mozilla/XUL] In-Reply-To: <16806.40205.386195.531824@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> <41A15A08.9030006@esox.us> <16806.40205.386195.531824@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <41A6BF0A.5070207@esox.us> rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: >>>>>>"Dave" == Dave Erickson writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> > > Dave> Brian Wall wrote: > >> I have some proprietary command line utilities that I need to set up > >> for non geeks. I'm going to be adding them to some sort of live > >> distro (Knoppix most likely). I want to build an X front end so I > >> don't have to teach a zillion switches (starting with what /dev/hda1 > >> is and where drive C: went). Just one problem: I haven't even > >> attempted GUI development on linux, and I don't know where to start. > >> I want a basic frontend that will just pass paramters to the command > >> line utilities. > >> > >> I've thought about using Apache/PHP to build a frontend, which would > >> work, but inevitably I'd need something more robust. Besides, I may > >> publish my code if it turns out to be useful and I'd rather not have > >> server requirements for such a simple task. Anyone got suggestions? > >> > >> -Brian > > Dave> Could you do that in XUL? > > Dave> I'd like to create a XUL front end to iptables myself......... > >[I realize that this is late in the day, to respond to, but I've gotten >behind in my list reading...] > >After having wrestled with a couple of attempts at using XUL/Mozilla, >and having slogged through most of both Creating Applications with >Mozilla and Rapid Application Development with Mozilla, I simply don't >see the appeal. > >AFAICT, to write an application using Mozilla, you have to master not >only XUL (that wouldn't be so bad), but also JavaScript, RDF, and a >very, very complicated process of installing your new code into the >guts of Mozilla. Worse than that, the process seems to be essentially >without debug support. > >I have actually expressed this to the author of the RAD with Mozilla >book, and his answer was essentially `yeah, that's true, but there are >a lot of people who already grok JavaScript, XML and RDF, so it's not >a problem.' > >Unless you are really gung-ho for this, I'd recommend using something >much simpler, like Tcl/Tk. You only have to master ONE language, and >then you are done. There are perl bindings for Tk, too, if you really >know perl, but my impression is that those are only useful if you've >already done some Tcl/Tk. > >Many people also swear by python + wxWidgets or GTk > >Two provisos: > >1. I'd be DELIGHTED if someone out there could say "you ignorant > knucklehead, you just do X (for some simple value of X) and you > can whip together a Mozilla/XUL application in no time!" I'm far > from being a Mozilla detractor --- if I was, I would never have > ponied up for the two books and tried to work through them. > >2. My feeling is that for rapid UI development, any solution without > an interpreter you can type expressions at and watch the resulting > UI is a non-starter. More power to you if you are willing to sit > through a compile cycle (or stop a running Mozilla, install new > software, and restart), but it ain't me, babe! > >Best, >Robert > You make a good point about the complexity of it all. You'd think that maybe mozilla composer could function as a WYSIWYG editor but alas no..... It would be ideal though if it were more practical, a cross platform over the network interface. Oh well........ ;-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tpenney at gmail.com Fri Nov 26 00:44:06 2004 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data centers - colo Message-ID: <5c596d0e04112522446b155208@mail.gmail.com> The time has come to co locate. Our UPS fried and the T1 goes down often. Time to move on. Has anyone had any experience with Berbee? I toured their new facility in Brooklyn park. Pretty fancy. 24 7 access to servers. Nice redundancy setup. etc. The place is huge. The backup power generator room alone is bigger than my house. Can anyone recommend other co lo options? Uptime, physical access to our servers and price are our main concerns. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Nov 26 08:55:42 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data centers - colo In-Reply-To: <5c596d0e04112522446b155208@mail.gmail.com>; from tpenney@gmail.com on Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 12:44:06AM -0600 References: <5c596d0e04112522446b155208@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041126085542.B25559@thinkunix.net> Tom Penney wrote: > The time has come to co locate. Our UPS fried and the T1 goes down > often. Time to move on. > > Has anyone had any experience with Berbee? I toured their new facility > in Brooklyn park. Pretty fancy. 24 7 access to servers. Nice > redundancy setup. etc. The place is huge. The backup power generator > room alone is bigger than my house. Never heard of Berbee before. > Can anyone recommend other co lo options? Uptime, physical access to > our servers and price are our main concerns. I have a friend who is co-lo'ing at Inflow in Minneapolis. http://www.inflow.com/ I've been to several data centers (Exodus, MCI/Worldcom, Visi) and was very impressed when I toured Inflow. It's very well setup, highly redundant. They're a top notch organization and run things "by the book". They provide 24x7 access and remote hands if needed. Uptime has been great and they're very proactive about notifying you _before_ they do anything. They actually test stuff like generators and network failovers on a regularly scheduled basis. They're probably not the cheapest, but what is your uptime worth? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Fri Nov 26 12:20:45 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data centers - colo In-Reply-To: <20041126085542.B25559@thinkunix.net> References: <5c596d0e04112522446b155208@mail.gmail.com> <20041126085542.B25559@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20041126182045.GF2787@momentum.poptix.net> On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 08:55:42AM -0600, Scot Jenkins wrote: > I've been to several data centers (Exodus, MCI/Worldcom, Visi) and was > very impressed when I toured Inflow. It's very well setup, highly > redundant. They're a top notch organization and run things > "by the book". They provide 24x7 access and remote hands if needed. > Uptime has been great and they're very proactive about notifying you > _before_ they do anything. They actually test stuff like generators > and network failovers on a regularly scheduled basis. They're probably > not the cheapest, but what is your uptime worth? Do they have man traps, biometric hand scanners, kevlar walls, completely redundant utility power feeds, with two sets of backup generators, redundant HVAC, multi-zone dry pipe fire suppression, I'm not sure you know what 'top notch' is, especially when it comes to a little thing called 'provider independant'. If you buy rack space at Inflow you have to buy rather expensive bandwidth from Inflow. "Top Notch" facilities let you buy from whoever you want. Get a tour of Equinix's facilities sometime, you're realize that places like VISI (where you have to wake up the guard in the security booth to get your cabinet keys) and Inflow are small time companies that aren't really geared towards your colocation needs. 24/7 Access should not be a question. Remote Hands should not be a question. 100% Uptime should be the norm What is _your_ uptime worth? -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Nov 26 13:44:09 2004 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Sorta OT] Archiving Old Email In-Reply-To: <20041126023405.GA4767@wookimus.net> References: <20041125092534.00001d8f@schubert> <20041126023405.GA4767@wookimus.net> Message-ID: Not exactly what you're looking for, but there are a few scripts out there that will transfer a mbox file into your gmail account. I did that with my tclug archives. Just make sure you setup filters before sending the messages.... -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tpenney at gmail.com Fri Nov 26 14:54:44 2004 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data centers - colo In-Reply-To: <20041126182045.GF2787@momentum.poptix.net> References: <5c596d0e04112522446b155208@mail.gmail.com> <20041126085542.B25559@thinkunix.net> <20041126182045.GF2787@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <5c596d0e041126125459772d4a@mail.gmail.com> All advice and experiance is apreciated, thank you. Scot and Matthew Berbee is a brand new facility, mostly empty actually, but they do have man traps, biometric hand scanners, redundent utility feeds, I didn't ask about kevlar walls. They did only have one power generator with plans for and space for an identical second big catapiller 12 cylandar beast, huge. they also have redundant HVAC, multi zone dry pipe fire system, the smoke detection can sence the smoke in the clothes of a smoker comming inside from having a smoke. It all sounds like overkill to me but what do I know. It sounds like they are working off the same data center specifications needed to get some kind of elite certification that Equinix must have. They mentioned they did not have the cert yet, I don't remember what the cert was but one of the things they had to do to compleat it was get the second generator installed. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Fri Nov 26 19:37:45 2004 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Nintendo DS w/ 2 games Message-ID: Bought it a couple days ago. Just asking what I paid for it, $240 (actually $237). Good luck finding one in the stores, they are all sold out and probably will be past x-mas. If you were shady, you could just but this and sell on Ebay for a profit, which I'll do if no one here wants it. Used about 2 hours. I realized I have better things to do than play games. :) Comes with DS unit, Metroid Prime demo, Super Mario DS, and Asphalt Urban GT racing. For those that don't know, it's got 2 screens, one of them touch, 802.11 wireless and Nintendo's proprietary wireless. It's a pretty neat little machine. I'm in Brooklyn Park, you pick up. Preferably tonight, I'm cleaning and it needs to go. ~jay 612.817.1271 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Fri Nov 26 20:00:26 2004 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Nintendo DS w/ 2 games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B896640-4018-11D9-87B1-000D933AFC92@signal15.com> Sold! That was fast. On Nov 26, 2004, at 7:37 PM, Jay Austad wrote: > Bought it a couple days ago. Just asking what I paid for it, $240 > (actually $237). Good luck finding one in the stores, they are all > sold out and probably will be past x-mas. If you were shady, you > could just but this and sell on Ebay for a profit, which I'll do if no > one here wants it. > > Used about 2 hours. I realized I have better things to do than play > games. :) > > Comes with DS unit, Metroid Prime demo, Super Mario DS, and Asphalt > Urban GT racing. > > For those that don't know, it's got 2 screens, one of them touch, > 802.11 wireless and Nintendo's proprietary wireless. It's a pretty > neat little machine. I'm in Brooklyn Park, you pick up. Preferably > tonight, I'm cleaning and it needs to go. > > ~jay > 612.817.1271 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Fri Nov 26 20:10:43 2004 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data centers - colo In-Reply-To: <5c596d0e041126125459772d4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c596d0e04112522446b155208@mail.gmail.com> <20041126085542.B25559@thinkunix.net> <20041126182045.GF2787@momentum.poptix.net> <5c596d0e041126125459772d4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ADA16C1-4019-11D9-87B1-000D933AFC92@signal15.com> I believe MCI/Sprint has colo facilities in the old Federal reserve building. Connected to 3 different power grids, and massive fiber coming in from all angles. You should be able to choose whomever you like for connectivity too, just because it's run by MCI doesn't mean you have to use their bandwidth. I think others have some facilities there also. FYI, I've found that Time Warner Telecom is obscenely cheap for DS3's and larger. If you're looking for a good place outside of MPLS, ATT has an excellent facility near Times Square. It's an 18 story building which used to house all of their long distance equipment during the cold war. No windows, huge white building. Walls are 3 feet thick of reinforced concrete, enough generator power to run the place for 3 - 6 months off the grid, and sleeping facilities and food supplies for something like 1000 people for 4 months. The front doors are glass, but they are 1 foot thick and leaded to keep radiation out. They have another near chicago which is a building inside of a building, and supposed to be pretty good. I haven't been to that one though. ~jay On Nov 26, 2004, at 2:54 PM, Tom Penney wrote: > All advice and experiance is apreciated, thank you. Scot and Matthew > > Berbee is a brand new facility, mostly empty actually, but they do > have man traps, biometric hand scanners, redundent utility feeds, I > didn't ask about kevlar walls. They did only have one power generator > with plans for and space for an identical second big catapiller 12 > cylandar beast, huge. they also have redundant HVAC, multi zone dry > pipe fire system, the smoke detection can sence the smoke in the > clothes of a smoker comming inside from having a smoke. It all sounds > like overkill to me but what do I know. > > It sounds like they are working off the same data center > specifications needed to get some kind of elite certification that > Equinix must have. They mentioned they did not have the cert yet, I > don't remember what the cert was but one of the things they had to do > to compleat it was get the second generator installed. > > -- > Tom Penney > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Fri Nov 26 20:12:25 2004 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Sorta OT] Archiving Old Email In-Reply-To: <20041126023405.GA4767@wookimus.net> References: <20041125092534.00001d8f@schubert> <20041126023405.GA4767@wookimus.net> Message-ID: http://zoe.nu Not a mysql/postgres database, but it works unbelievably sweet. I run it under OSX, but it apparently works fine under windows and linux also. On Nov 25, 2004, at 8:34 PM, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Josh Trutwin wrote: >> Anyone have suggestions for arching old email in a MySQL/PostgreSQL >> database? > > OK. Would you people please refrain from using the 'OT' (off topic) > subject for things that are clearly "on topic"? > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Nov 26 22:08:41 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] session saving in firefox In-Reply-To: <20041124161240.25f6bde2.ston0235@umn.edu> References: <20041124161240.25f6bde2.ston0235@umn.edu> Message-ID: <1101528521.13172.14.camel@bigtime> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 16:12 -0600, Ian Stoner wrote: > Back in the Firefox 0.8 days, there was an extension called "Session > Saver" that would save the state of the browser when it was shut down > (like Opera). I haven't been able to find a comparable extension for > Firefox 1.0. Does anyone know if it is possible to get the browser at > least to save tabs when closed? > > Also, what is the best way to get Firefox to open mailto links in an > email client? If you're using Gnome I'd recommend looking into Galeon. It does session saving, the native GTK UI is way faster than Firefox, its rock solid, and it integrates nicely into Gnome. It'll call the email client set up in your Gnome preferences, etc. There's also Epiphany which is a fork of Galeon and is apparently the official Gnome browser, but the last few times I've tried it I've managed to crash it instantly so I've stuck with Galeon. Galeon aims more towards power users whereas Epiphany aims to be a poster child for the Gnome Human Interface Guidelines. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Nov 27 09:32:48 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411271532.iARFWmD11977@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: 18 inch sun monitor Sun monitor measures 18" from corner to corner. PN R365-1140-01 SN 511T100 This was a working pull a few years ago - don't know if it's working now. Come test it and take it. Or just take it. It goes to the appropriate disposal location this coming week if no one wants it. 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Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrisc at chris.org Sat Nov 27 09:45:12 2004 From: chrisc at chris.org (Chris Cox, N0UK) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The world according to Ballmer (Aka Developers^n) In-Reply-To: <1101165106.16377.15.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> References: <32fd453704112008143e807b1e@mail.gmail.com> <419F743D.2020803@structural-wood.com> <27e6356a0411200914344a4681@mail.gmail.com> <1101165106.16377.15.camel@MiyamotoMusashi.jsievert.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Jason Sievert wrote: > Perhaps microslut might want to look into some more accountability? > > "Warezed SoundForge Files In Windows Media Player" > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/13/0036243&tid=133&tid=201&tid=109&tid=1 Brilliant! -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv33 chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Nov 27 09:55:15 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411271555.iARFtFX12514@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: 14 inch gateway 2000 Crystal scan 1024NI free 14 inch gateway 2000 Crystal scan 1024NI monitor. it works. goes to appropriate disposal location this coming week if no one want it. Seller Email address: john dot meier at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john.meier at gmail.com Sat Nov 27 11:19:56 2004 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200411271555.iARFtFX12514@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200411271555.iARFtFX12514@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc041127091978930f29@mail.gmail.com> This Monitor Has Been Taken...... On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:55:15 -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Free > > Subject: 14 inch gateway 2000 Crystal scan 1024NI > > free 14 inch gateway 2000 Crystal scan 1024NI monitor. > > it works. > > goes to appropriate disposal location this coming week if no one want it. > > > > Seller Email address: john dot meier at gmail dot com > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org > Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Nov 27 20:41:58 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (TOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco aironet 350 pcmcia on fedora core 2 Message-ID: Hello all, I have exhausted my mind trying to figure this out. I installed fedora core 2 on an old compaq laptop. I got a pcmcia 3com lan card working ok. I cannot get my cisco aironet 350 pcmcia to work. Supposedly, fc2 has the driver included, but I have had no luck getting it to recognize the card. The 3com card was recognized. I have also tried compiling/installing drivers from Cisco and sourceforge to no avail. If anyone can throw me a bone, it'd be greatly appreciated. Do I need to tell fc2 that the card has been inserted? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Nov 28 15:45:42 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shared library version question Message-ID: <20041128154542.A32470@thinkunix.net> I have a RedHat system I'm upgrading from openssl 0.9.6 to 0.9.7. I built new openssl rpms but when I try to upgrade it appears some binaries have been built specifically against the older version of openssl: # rpm -Uvh --test openssl-0.9.7e-1.i386.rpm openssl-devel-0.9.7e-1.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.0.9.6 is needed by wget-1.8.2-1 libcrypto.so.0.9.6 is needed by cadaver-0.20.5-1 libcrypto.so.0.9.6 is needed by postgresql-7.3.2-1 libssl.so.0.9.6 is needed by wget-1.8.2-1 libssl.so.0.9.6 is needed by cadaver-0.20.5-1 libssl.so.0.9.6 is needed by postgresql-7.3.2-1 Note that these binaries are using shared libraries, they just are pointing at a specific version: $ ldd /usr/bin/wget libssl.so.0.9.6 => /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6 (0x40009000) libcrypto.so.0.9.6 => /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6 (0x40038000) cadaver and postgres binaries show similar results. Here's how the libraries and symlinks look under /usr/lib: $ cd /usr/lib; ls -l libcrypto* libssl* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1798322 Oct 28 17:46 libcrypto.a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Oct 28 22:19 libcrypto.so -> libcrypto.so.0* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Oct 28 12:55 libcrypto.so.0 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1157923 Oct 28 17:46 libcrypto.so.0.9.6* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 275996 Oct 28 17:46 libssl.a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Oct 28 22:19 libssl.so -> libssl.so.0* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Oct 28 12:55 libssl.so.0 -> libssl.so.0.9.6* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 214722 Oct 28 17:46 libssl.so.0.9.6* I know I can just install the new version of openssl then rebuild the other (now broken) software against the new libraries. My question is, how can I force things to build against the symlinks "libssl.so" and "libcrypto.so" so that the next time I upgrade openssl, I don't have to rebuild a bunch of software? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Nov 29 16:46:05 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411292246.iATMk5e24575@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: misc stuff Linksys PCMCIA 10/100mb network card w/ phone network $10 matched pair of socket 370 pIII 650's $50 celeron 500mhz socket 370 $5 amd k6 233mhz, cyrix pr 166+gp, cyrix pr 200+gp, intel 133, intel 200mhz over drive $0.50ea or one free w/ any order. Adaptec 2940au pci 50pin and external connectors $3 Adaptec 2940uw..$15 (2 68 pin internal, 1 50 pin internal, and 1 68 pin external) Black LG/IBM 48x cdrom...$8 Various 3Com & Intel pci 10/100 network cards $5ea PCI Creative Labs Sound Card..$5 ISA Creative Labs Sound Cards..$2 Seagate Hornet ide 4/8gb tape drive w/ tape...$5 three HP Travan 20gb C4435A TR5 tapes $5ea or $10 for all 3 three 2gb 50pin scsi drives $0.50ea or free w/ any order. three 4gb 50pin scsi drives $1ea. 4gb Micropolis 50pin AV rated scsi drive $2.50 32mb pc100 dimm...$0.50ea or free w/ any order. pairs of 16mb 72pin simms...$0.25ea or free w/ any order. IBM 128MB 100MHz ECC DIMM 168Pin Memory fru: 28l1015...$15 Kingston pc100 ECC 256mb dimm 168pin ktc3614/256..$30 64mb Micron cl2 pc100 64mb sodimm..$10 64mb pc100 64mb sodimm...$8 32mb Compaq sodimm..$2.50 Addonics Pocket cd98 ad-285 external pcmcia cdrom drive....$5 Linksys 10/100 pcmcia network card w/ crappy dongle...$0.50ea or free w/ any order. Linksys 10/100 Network Everywhere 10/100 pcmcia network card, w/o dongle...$0.50ea or free w/ any order. Xircom 56k pcmcia modem w/o dongle...$0.50ea or free w/ any order. Gateway/Megahertz cellular capable 33.6k pcmcia modem...$0.50ea or free w/ any order. 3Com/Dell 10base 2/10base pcmcia network card w/o dongle...$0.50ea or free w/ any order. 3Com EtherLink III 10base-T w/o dongle pcmcia network card...$0.50ea or free w/ any order. 3Com Fatst Etherlink 10/100Base-TX w/o dongle pcmcia network card...$0.50ea or free w/ any order. 3Com/Megahertz 10/100 xjack dongle free pcmcia network card...$10 Seller Email address: jungle at hickorytech dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Nov 29 16:57:35 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411292257.iATMvZZ26860@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Houses Apartments and Roomates Type of Ad: Want to Rent Subject: room in st.louis park One bedroom available in my 3 bedroom house located in a quiet corner of St. Louis Park. -room is roughly 12'*12' -share house w/ 2 other guys -off street parking...one stall garage optional -1/3 all utils -laundry -yard -cable internet -6 month lease terms -must be extremely clean! -$450/mo -6 month leases -only linux box in use is a smoothwall... shuch....i don't wanna hear about it... Seller Email address: jungle at hickorytech dot net http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 29 17:38:46 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI development: how? In-Reply-To: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com>; from kc0iog@gmail.com on Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 06:58:42PM -0600 References: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041129173846.A21326@real-time.com> On 11/21 06:58 , Brian Wall wrote: > I have some proprietary command line utilities that I need to set up > for non geeks. I'm going to be adding them to some sort of live > distro (Knoppix most likely). I want to build an X front end so I > don't have to teach a zillion switches (starting with what /dev/hda1 > is and where drive C: went). There is actually a GUI tool that I've seen go across Freshmeat, which provides a simple set of options for command-line tools. I can never remember the name of it tho. :) Can't remember if it only has options for a few utlilities, or whether it's easily extendible to arbitrary tools (I think the latter). Looked pretty nifty. Click on the icon, choose your options/arguments from check boxes and drop-down menus, and then click the 'ok' button. Now if only I can find it... -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 29 17:45:01 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI development: how? In-Reply-To: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com>; from kc0iog@gmail.com on Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 06:58:42PM -0600 References: <2c6699da04112116584d537420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041129174501.B21326@real-time.com> On 11/21 06:58 , Brian Wall wrote: > I have some proprietary command line utilities that I need to set up > for non geeks. browse around on freshmeat. this looks promising (tho I haven't tried it). http://www.panayotis.com/ggui/ -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Nov 30 07:05:10 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200411301305.iAUD5Ae01393@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Inspiron 1100 or similar My brother brought his laptop home on leave with him and let's just say that the desert is not a good environment for a computer. I am looking for a Dell Inspiron 1100 or similar that has passed on in one way or another so I can part it out and rebuild this thing after de-sanding it. Thanks Josh Seller Email address: josh at joshwelch dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at greatlakedata.com Tue Nov 30 07:01:49 2004 From: tclug at greatlakedata.com (gregwm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is imap passe? Message-ID: <1101819707.4347.9377.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> hello fellow techheads, does anyone have a pointer to a nice terse unbiased discussion somewhere about the relative merits of courier imap vs cyrus imap vs other remote email access folder sharing methods? does the fact that cyrus has come into common use for smtpauth stand as a factor for also using cyrus imap vs courier imap or is that irrelevant? is there a way to do roaming profiles via imap? or conversely, are there better approaches that either solve or obviate the needs for imap and/or roaming profiles? and what does anyone think of Sender Policy Framework? (i'm in the visioning stage for replacing our m$ based mail service..) thank you, greg -- Gregory Whitley Mott IT Coordinator NonviolentPeaceforce.org skype: gregwm pots: +1-612-871-0005 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From slushpupie at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 07:35:07 2004 From: slushpupie at gmail.com (slushpupie@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is imap passe? In-Reply-To: <1101819707.4347.9377.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> References: <1101819707.4347.9377.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:01:49 -0600, gregwm wrote: > hello fellow techheads, > > does anyone have a pointer to a nice terse unbiased discussion somewhere > about the relative merits of courier imap vs cyrus imap vs other remote > email access folder sharing methods? You likely wont find one. Do some research on both sides of the fence to find out what fits best for your situation. > does the fact that cyrus has come into common use for smtpauth stand as > a factor for also using cyrus imap vs courier imap or is that > irrelevant? postfix uses the cyrus sasl libs to do smtpauth, and though there is much confusion on how to do it, once you figure it out its not bad. > is there a way to do roaming profiles via imap? roaming profiles for what? imap is best used for mail storage, using it for much of anything else will likely give you a headache. > or conversely, are there better approaches that either solve or obviate > the needs for imap and/or roaming profiles? LDAP is a convienient way to store profile like information in a central place for roaming (generic) clients. The problem is, not many email clients know how to do this. > and what does anyone think of Sender Policy Framework? I think its a good idea, but may not go very far. > (i'm in the visioning stage for replacing our m$ based mail service..) There are a lot of options out there: sendmail/postfix/qmail + courier-imap/cyrus-imap/uw-imap (and more). Most have a way of using *sql or LDAP as a back end so you dont have to rely on system accounts. I prefer the postfix/courier-imap/mysql combo at home, and the same basic setup at work, but with LDAP instead of mysql. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Nov 30 09:09:52 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is imap passe? In-Reply-To: <1101819707.4347.9377.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> References: <1101819707.4347.9377.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> Message-ID: <20041130090952.00007311@ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:01:49 -0600 gregwm wrote: > hello fellow techheads, > > does anyone have a pointer to a nice terse unbiased discussion > somewhere about the relative merits of courier imap vs cyrus imap vs > other remote email access folder sharing methods? Heh - personlly I prefer courier - I cannot badmouth any of the others because I haven't tried them enough to have a bad opinion. I have heard nightmare stories about uw-imap though. Courier's maintainer is very active on the mailing lists and has answered many of my support questions directly. The release cycle is frequent enough to let you know he's working hard on the project, but not frequent enough to be a pain in the rear to update every other week. Another IMAP server with some promise, though still pretty young is Binc-IMAP. If you use qmail it's a nice fit as it's made for Maildirs and has daemontools style startup scripts. > does the fact that cyrus has come into common use for smtpauth stand > as a factor for also using cyrus imap vs courier imap or is that > irrelevant? I would say irrelevant - wouldn't you handle smtpauth with the smtp server - I assume you are talking about Cyrus-SASL which is a standalone product from their IMAP server AFAIK. Personally, I use a qmail / mailfront implementation for smtp-auth. > is there a way to do roaming profiles via imap? Do you mean roaming user access for relaying? This can be done with smtp-auth or an IMAP before/after SMTP solution like relayctrl. Not sure what you're looking for here... > or conversely, are there better approaches that either solve or > obviate the needs for imap and/or roaming profiles? Again, elaborate on what you mean by "roaming profiles". > and what does anyone think of Sender Policy Framework? I have yet to implement it, though it's on my list of TODO's. > (i'm in the visioning stage for replacing our m$ based mail > service..) Any step in this direction is a good one. Personally I use qmail with courier-imap. It's a bit of a homebrew system though. I know some who are religious about which MTA you use, whatever, just pick one that meets your needs. As far as IMAP goes, same deal, though I cannot imagine that you could go wrong with Courier-IMAP. FWIW Courier also has a full-featured MTA as well. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 30 09:17:00 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is imap passe? In-Reply-To: References: <1101819707.4347.9377.camel@ruby.rub.belfastdata.net> Message-ID: <20041130151700.GA3545@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Nov 30 10:39:27 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is imap passe? Message-ID: >>> josh@trutwins.homeip.net 11/30/04 09:09AM >>> >On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:01:49 -0600 >gregwm wrote: >> hello fellow techheads, >> >> does anyone have a pointer to a nice terse unbiased discussion >> somewhere about the relative merits of courier imap vs cyrus imap vs >> other remote email access folder sharing methods? >Heh - personlly I prefer courier - I cannot badmouth any of the others >because I haven't tried them enough to have a bad opinion. I have >heard nightmare stories about uw-imap though. Courier's maintainer is >very active on the mailing lists and has answered many of my support >questions directly. The release cycle is frequent enough to let you >know he's working hard on the project, but not frequent enough to be a >pain in the rear to update every other week. I'll put in another vote for Courier. Three things to know about the developer: 1. He is rabid about reading the documentation 2. He is an absolute RFC purist 3. He has some issues with the 'competition' - see http://www.courier-mta.org/fud/ >> and what does anyone think of Sender Policy Framework? >I have yet to implement it, though it's on my list of TODO's. Courier-mta implements it in current code >> (i'm in the visioning stage for replacing our m$ based mail >> service..) >Any step in this direction is a good one. Personally I use qmail with >courier-imap. It's a bit of a homebrew system though. I know some >who are religious about which MTA you use, whatever, just pick one >that meets your needs. As far as IMAP goes, same deal, though I >cannot imagine that you could go wrong with Courier-IMAP. FWIW >Courier also has a full-featured MTA as well. I'm using the full Courier suite of tools for my home system and have been pleased with the results. I just landed a replacement server and I'm in the process of building a new system with SuSE 9.2 and the latest Courier builds. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Nov 30 12:25:41 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X GUI for command-line applications Message-ID: <16812.47909.329814.251967@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Of course, I should have thought to mention expectk a long time ago... Expect wraps a regexp parser and event manager around a command-line program (or limited curses-type program), allowing you to manage the stdin/stdout and command-line arguments. Then expectk adds tk to make it possible to build a GUI around it. Tradeoffs: if you are ONLY managing command-line arguments, expect may be more than you need to provide a GUI. Expect is really most useful when you have a limited dialog (e.g., password prompting) as well as a command-line program, or when you have more than a simple one-liner of output, and you want to rearrange the output for easier visualization. Not sure how it would fare in a trade-off with the GGUI tool. A word of caution --- I've seen a zillion of these programs that try to provide a GUI to command-line program, and end up with something that's only useful for people already know how the command-line program, and its arguments, work. WinCVS, at least in the old days, was a good example of this. If you knew how all the zillions of CVS args worked, how a repository was structured, etc., then you could understand it. Otherwise, it didn't help enough.... Good luck! Robert _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 14:18:21 2004 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Sorta OT] Archiving Old Email In-Reply-To: <20041125092534.00001d8f@schubert> References: <20041125092534.00001d8f@schubert> Message-ID: <307a337f041130121898929f2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:25:34 -0600, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Anyone have suggestions for arching old email in a MySQL/PostgreSQL > database? I have 1000's of messages from years of being on mailing > lists. Many messages I can probably delete, but many I want to keep > around. My IMAP client (sylpheed) bogs down with the amount of mail > I'm going through. Yes I know I could just use grep, but part of the > reason for wanting to archive these in a RDBMS is to have a > web-accessible search page that takes advantage of things like > FULLTEXT indexes. > > Anyone know of an Open Source tool that does this? Didn't find much > of anything on google. I'd hate to write my own. Thought about > moving old messages to some archive location and run htdig on them to > create a search page, but I'd prefer something that was specifically > designed to handle email. > > Thx and happy turkey day (if you celebrate it), > > Josh > One quick way to get them online and searchable would be to fire them up to a gmail account. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From j_wrocky at comcast.net Tue Nov 30 14:32:56 2004 From: j_wrocky at comcast.net (Jerry W) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Point & Click Linux book Message-ID: <41ACD8F8.1080104@comcast.net> Hello, Picked up "Point & Click Linux" by Robin Miller at Barnes & Noble in Eagan last week. New to Linux and have used and installed various Linux distros over the past six months. Point & Click Linux comes with two disks, one a DVD with video clips that will run on a TV DVD player or computer DVD player from the author about Point and Click Linux and also the "SimplyMEPIS" CD which can be run "live" or installed from the live CD. It was one of the most simple distros I have installed and would be a great holiday gift for a non Linux user or Linux newbie. Jerry W _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whiterabbit1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 14:58:32 2004 From: whiterabbit1 at gmail.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Data centers - colo In-Reply-To: <5c596d0e041126125459772d4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c596d0e04112522446b155208@mail.gmail.com> <20041126085542.B25559@thinkunix.net> <20041126182045.GF2787@momentum.poptix.net> <5c596d0e041126125459772d4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <307a337f0411301258425c6276@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:54:44 -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > All advice and experiance is apreciated, thank you. Scot and Matthew > > Berbee is a brand new facility, mostly empty actually, but they do > have man traps, biometric hand scanners, redundent utility feeds, I > didn't ask about kevlar walls. They did only have one power generator > with plans for and space for an identical second big catapiller 12 > cylandar beast, huge. they also have redundant HVAC, multi zone dry > pipe fire system, the smoke detection can sence the smoke in the > clothes of a smoker comming inside from having a smoke. It all sounds > like overkill to me but what do I know. > > It sounds like they are working off the same data center > specifications needed to get some kind of elite certification that > Equinix must have. They mentioned they did not have the cert yet, I > don't remember what the cert was but one of the things they had to do > to compleat it was get the second generator installed. > > -- > Tom Penney Berbee is pretty big in disaster recovery as I understand it. That probably explains some of the qualities they've built into their data center. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Tue Nov 30 18:53:03 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Point & Click Linux book In-Reply-To: <41ACD8F8.1080104@comcast.net> References: <41ACD8F8.1080104@comcast.net> Message-ID: <41AD15EF.8070802@comcast.net> I've been running MEPIS v2004.03 on an old HP 600MHz laptop now for almost a month and am VERY impressed. It installed flawlessly, and all I had to do to watch commercial DVDs was to install the DVDCSS package. I've also got v2004.04 installed on an 800MHz HP laptop at work and am able to view our domain and our Citrix servers. I'm very impressed with MEPIS, just wish the current release supported SMP. I also need to take the time to figure out how to install with two hard drives (root and home), as I like to have the OS on a smaller hard drive and the home folder on a large hard drive. I tried the partition software in the installer and created the proper partitions, but it refused to use the secondary drive for the home folders. Jerry W wrote: > Hello, > > Picked up "Point & Click Linux" by Robin Miller at Barnes & Noble in > Eagan last week. > > New to Linux and have used and installed various Linux distros over the > past six months. Point & Click Linux comes with two disks, one a DVD > with video clips that will run on a TV DVD player or computer DVD player > from the author about Point and Click Linux and also the "SimplyMEPIS" > CD which can be run "live" or installed from the live CD. It was one of > the most simple distros I have installed and would be a great holiday > gift for a non Linux user or Linux newbie. > > Jerry W -- Todd Young -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Nov 30 20:26:20 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Jeopardy recording from today ? Message-ID: <20041130202620.A8920@baker.space.umn.edu> Does anyone have Jeopardy recorded from today? My TiVo failed to change channels on this day, of all days. Even better does anyone have an electronic version that they be willing to put up on the web where I could grab it? Or do you have any hints on finding such things on a P2P network? I just played around with GTK-Gnutella a bit, but I have little experience with that kind of thing. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Nov 30 21:05:32 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Point & Click Linux book In-Reply-To: <41AD15EF.8070802@comcast.net> References: <41ACD8F8.1080104@comcast.net> <41AD15EF.8070802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20041130210532.B8920@baker.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:53:03PM -0600, Todd Young wrote: > I'm very impressed with MEPIS, just wish the current release supported > SMP. I also need to take the time to figure out how to install with two > hard drives (root and home), as I like to have the OS on a smaller hard > drive and the home folder on a large hard drive. I tried the partition > software in the installer and created the proper partitions, but it > refused to use the secondary drive for the home folders. You should be able to get an SMP kernel working with Mepis fairly easily. I haven't used Mepis itself, but since its a Debian based distro, I belive that you should be able to install a Debian SMP kernel. Just search for SMP at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages, or better yet add some Debian lines /etc/apt/sources.list and download them directly. As for moving your home directory around, that should be fairly straightforward as well, though it might be easiest using the command line. Send your current /etc/fstab file to list and I am sure that we can walk you through it, if you'd like. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Nov 30 21:44:25 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Point & Click Linux book In-Reply-To: <41AD15EF.8070802@comcast.net> References: <41ACD8F8.1080104@comcast.net> <41AD15EF.8070802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <41AD3E19.7080908@visi.com> Is the drive removable? Sam. Todd Young wrote: > I've been running MEPIS v2004.03 on an old HP 600MHz laptop now for > almost a month and am VERY impressed. It installed flawlessly, and all > I had to do to watch commercial DVDs was to install the DVDCSS > package. I've also got v2004.04 installed on an 800MHz HP laptop at > work and am able to view our domain and our Citrix servers. > > I'm very impressed with MEPIS, just wish the current release supported > SMP. I also need to take the time to figure out how to install with > two hard drives (root and home), as I like to have the OS on a smaller > hard drive and the home folder on a large hard drive. I tried the > partition software in the installer and created the proper partitions, > but it refused to use the secondary drive for the home folders. > > Jerry W wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Picked up "Point & Click Linux" by Robin Miller at Barnes & Noble in >> Eagan last week. >> >> New to Linux and have used and installed various Linux distros over >> the past six months. Point & Click Linux comes with two disks, one >> a DVD with video clips that will run on a TV DVD player or computer >> DVD player from the author about Point and Click Linux and also the >> "SimplyMEPIS" CD which can be run "live" or installed from the live >> CD. It was one of the most simple distros I have installed and would >> be a great holiday gift for a non Linux user or Linux newbie. >> >> Jerry W > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bhurt at spnz.org Tue Nov 30 22:55:32 2004 From: bhurt at spnz.org (Brian Hurt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slashdot book review: Developing Applications With Objective Caml Message-ID: As my presentation this saturday is *why* you should learn Ocaml, I thought I'd forward this link on *how*: http://books.slashdot.org/books/04/11/30/2129226.shtml?tid=156&tid=6 I'm glad to see the translation is finally done. Maybe with a little help, O'Reilly will actually publish it on dead trees here in the states. Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Nov 30 23:19:41 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slashdot book review: Developing Applications With Objective Caml In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AD546D.3030303@visi.com> Sniff, Sniff, I see dead trees... Sam. > Maybe with a little >help, O'Reilly will actually publish it on dead trees here in the states. > >Brian > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.4 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Tue Nov 30 23:45:46 2004 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dynamic Classpath In-Reply-To: <391ogq$7vimuv@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <391ogq$7vimuv@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <20041201054546.GA16046@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 02:06:31PM +0000, dutchman_mn@charter.net wrote: > for JAR_FILE in $LIB_DIR/*.jar > do > TEMPPATH=$TEMPPATH:$JAR_FILE > done > Really stinking old thread, but what the heck. Here's one without the loop. CLASSPATH=$(find $LIB_DIR -name '*.jar' | tr '\n' ':') -David _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayne at puklich.com Tue Nov 30 12:54:40 2004 From: blayne at puklich.com (Blayne Puklich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:55:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] MNVUG Meeting Friday 12/10 Message-ID: <2147483647.1101819280@[172.25.2.27]> The MNVUG meeting that originally was to be scheduled for November has been combined with VERITAS' upcoming Technology Day. We've been invited to this event, which happens on Friday, December 10 from 10:45am to 2:00pm at the Roseville facility. During the event we'll have a break-out session just for us to have our MNVUG meeting. This isn't on the schedule but will happen during the brunch beginning shortly after 1:00 pm in a meeting room to be determined. We're hoping that some new folks from the VERITAS sessions join us! There are some really great topics for the Technology Day, so I highly encourage folks to attend. Please do remember to register for this so VERITAS knows you're attending! This will be the last meeting of the year for the MNVUG. Don't worry though, we'll schedule more soon. Attached you should find a web page with information on the events as well as a link to register. Please register so you're counted! Thanks! --- Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1 * mailto:blayne at puklich.com I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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