From david at acz.org Mon Mar 1 00:06:13 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <002c01c3ff53$4cc28210$0201a8c0@brinstar> Andrei Bazhgin writes: > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? http://di.fm/ http://di.fm/trance/info/ Some good artists: Orbital Paul Oakenfold Paul van Dyk Prodigy The Crystal Method And don't forget the best hacker soundtrack ever: Swordfish -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Mon Mar 1 00:20:53 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music Message-ID: <1078122053.c817421ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Uhhh...lemme know a day I can come down, you'd probably like a few gigs outta my collection, lol. I don't know what all I listen to, I just hit 'next' til I find a good one. Lots of techno though, lots. (No highspeed so can't send that way, sorry) -----Original Message----- From: Andrei Bazhgin To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:36:19 -0600 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? If anyone has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. Somthing like the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to music like that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it inspires me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make me think about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun stuff. Thanks :) -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Mar 1 00:41:13 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <1078122053.c817421ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1078122053.c817421ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20040301064113.GA81683@nan2d.com> Come down to where? ACM? I havent been there for a long time, and probobly wont be for another long time. I have a large collection myself that you might take interest in lookin in, maybe we can swap a few gigs. What do you say to that? On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 12:20:53AM -0600, K B wrote: > Uhhh...lemme know a day I can come down, you'd probably like a few gigs outta my collection, lol. I don't know what all I listen to, I just hit 'next' til I find a good one. Lots of techno though, lots. > > (No highspeed so can't send that way, sorry) -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Mar 1 01:36:57 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040301073657.GN24827@techmonkeys.org> Powerpuff Girls http://www.poptix.net/mp3/Powerpuff_Girls_-_Love_makes_the_world_go_round.mp3 On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:36:19PM -0600, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Mon Mar 1 07:35:12 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <1891761180.20040301073512@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Monday, March 1, 2004 @ 7:25:35 AM Central Standard Time OK, only 1 person mentioned "Orbital", so I must stress the importance of them in your collection. I can't believe this post has plugged up my inbox & "No One" mentioned the greatest hackers out their: KRAFTWERK..... Get it all...... another good one for hacking is: Bonobo (not much lyrics..mostly music...good while coding) Anything form the record label "Ninja Tunes" (I think they are from Canada or UK) http://www.ninjatune.net/home/ I like everything they make. Rock-On, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Mar 1 08:00:25 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040229230629.S72402@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: <404341F9.90501@structural-wood.com> Adam Maloney wrote: > Psykosonik (I believe they are local) > Information Society > Prodigy (kinda) > Ministry and Rammstein (not techno, but good codin' music) > [stuff trimmed] > > Some Pink Floyd is almost, but not quite, techno (kind of parallel) but > uses synth and is "odd". Lots of the odd-ball PF stuff that the radio > stations never play is like this. Like "Echoes" and "Mettle". The entire > Animals CD is excellent. As is Division Bells. That is, if you don't > mind singing in your music (You got your singing in my music. You got > your music in my singing! Hey!) > > I would highly recommend buying every single PF album and listening to > them all one at a time, starting with the earliest. There is some really > good stuff that never gets airtime (like Shine On, because it's too long > for radio (but too short for my liking!)). There are very few PF songs > that I don't at least partially like ("Money" comes to mind) > > I'll get some ls -lR action going on my mp3 directory and see if I missed > anything that I used to listen to. > > Adam Maloney > Has seen Roger Waters twice in concert Thank god man! I was starting to feel like I was the only one left on my planet. Peter Gabriel also creates great coding/hacking music. Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Mar 1 08:24:22 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040229230629.S72402@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: <002101c3ff98$e47a7b90$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > Also check out www.mnvibe.com - lots of music for > "those people" where "those people" are raver kiddies. Free > downloads of trance/techno/dance/all kinds of 1's and 0's music. LOL, that's my stomping ground. =] For "hacker" music Definitely check out Prodigy, Orbital, Chemical Brothers, Juno Reactor, these should be the easy to find stuff, I'd also personally recommend various uk hardcore stuff (think "best of rave" cd series) or Drum 'n Bass, seems like all the actual "hackers" I know listen mostly to Drum 'n Bass. (Think Dieselboy, DJ Rap, Reid Speed, Total Science) Good luck. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Mon Mar 1 08:28:28 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <4043488C.2060809@cdf123.com> Andrei Bazhgin wrote: >So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make me think >about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun stuff. > >Thanks :) > > What no Nine Inch Nails? KMFDM? These are a bit more hard core than what was mentioned, but they deserve mention at least. :-) You might want to look to your old game library too. Best example of this is Quake (All techno by Nine Inch Nails) and Quake 2 (Can't remember who wrote this one). Theres some really good techno in some of these games and most of it is just sitting on the disk as CDA just waiting to be ripped to MP3/OGG. Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Mar 1 08:28:09 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040301142809.GC380@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Mar 1 08:44:45 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <4043488C.2060809@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <006601c3ff9b$bce872f0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > You might want to look to your old game library too. Best example of > this is Quake (All techno by Nine Inch Nails) and Quake 2 (Can't > remember who wrote this one). Rob Zombie! In fact, I believe that was the catalyst for his solo career away from White Zombie. Playing Quake for the first time at like 2am in the dark listening to that NIN soundtrack scared the bejeezus outta me. =] Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Mar 1 08:51:02 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:36:19 -0600 > From: Andrei Bazhgin > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make > me think about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all > that fun stuff. Showing my age here... anything by Information Society, some Kraftwerk and its offshoot Elektric Music (more the self-titled first album), and Depeche Mode offshoot Recoil. The Quake soundtrack is pretty good too. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Mar 1 08:55:46 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <404341F9.90501@structural-wood.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040229230629.S72402@unix18.sihope.com> <404341F9.90501@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <1078152944.1585.51.camel@unixws1> Just thought of another source - when I ran my BBS, I used to have a few hundred megs of techno music in the form of ScreamTracker3 and MODs. Maybe, just maybe, some of these still exist somewhere. I've heard that PF is *more* enjoyable (hard to believe) if you listen to it while under the influence of certain illegal substances :) But I wouldn't know from first-hand experience. In all seriousness, there's nothing quite like going down to the basement, grabbing a nice brandy or whiskey, and listening to The Dark Side of the Moon with the lights out. When it's pitch black, it enhances your other senses, which allows you to hear some of the nuances of the music that you'd normally miss (although enough brandy will dull this). Then, after the whole album has played, and that final heartbeat comes on to close off the disc, it's just a wonderful, euphoric moment. The registered AKC name of the boy pup we kept out of Nala's litter is "Dark Side of the Moon" > > Adam Maloney > > Has seen Roger Waters twice in concert > > Thank god man! I was starting to feel like I was the only one left on my > planet. Peter Gabriel also creates great coding/hacking music. > > Kent > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Mar 1 09:40:24 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make > me think about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all > that fun stuff. I'll add Sneaker Pimps to the great list people have come up with. I've run into a number of like-minded people who loved their stuff. Worth a try. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Mon Mar 1 10:15:08 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music References: Message-ID: <009f01c3ffa8$63258de0$0300000a@net.tsinks> Only the blues. Koko Taylor, John Lee Hooker, Pinetop Perkins, B. B., Stevie Ray, "Gatemouth", Buddy Guy. The list goes on. Down and dirty and with a heavy slap beat. Or, J. S. Bach, the Brandenburg Concertos, the Fugue in F Major. Or to end all put on 'Time Out', etc. from Mr. Brubeck. Those little guys you've mentioned got everything they know from the folks listed above. Sing a little 'Evil', Koko, Tim Sinks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Mar 1 10:40:40 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <009f01c3ffa8$63258de0$0300000a@net.tsinks> References: <009f01c3ffa8$63258de0$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <1078159238.1585.85.camel@unixws1> So anyone who ever wondered how I can type 100+ wpm, it's mostly because I have played piano for quite a few years. So I love classical music, especially classical and jazz piano. As evidenced by these excerpts from that MP3 directory: Scott Joplin HCW1 - Maple Leaf Rag.mp3 Overture to William Tell - Rossini.mp3 Beethoven - Fur Elise.mp3 Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata (Artur Rubinstein).mp3 (Rubinstein plays the 3rd movement so precisely, and it's a *GREAT* piece. If I had to demo a piano piece to someone, i would choose the 3rd movement from Moonlight, it is so impressive. FIND THIS AND PLAY IT!!!) Beethoven - Piano Sonata 14 Op.27No.2 in C#m - 3rd Mov (Moonlight - Presto agitato) - Vladimir Horowitz.mp3 (3rd movement played by Horowitz, I sound much more like him than Rubinstein ) Beethoven Op. 13 Pathetique.mp3 (Pathetique has some great parts as well. I love playing the ending to the 1st movement) brahm_-_Piano_Quartet_n3_24.mp3 (For 4 hands...) chopin_ballade_in_f_minor.mp3 CHOPIN_MAZURKA_IN_Ab_M.mp3 Classical - Chopin-Nocturne,Op.62,No.1 - Horowitz- The Last Recording- Chopin, Haydn, Liszt, Wagner.mp3 Mozart - Piano Sonata No 11.mp3 Dubravka Tomsic piano - Piano Sonata No8 in C minor op 13 Pathetique graveallegro di molto.mp3 Dubravka Tomsic piano - Piano Sonata No8 in C minor op 13 Pathetique Introduzione adagio cantabile.mp3 Dubravka Tomsic piano - Piano Sonata No8 in C minor op 13 Pathetique rondo allegro.mp3 (These are all really fun pieces) Glenn Gould - 09 - Mozart - Sonata No. 17 in D Major- Allegretto.mp3 Vivaldi - Concerto In C Major, RV 447.mp3 John Williams & Boston Pops Orchestra - Classical Gas.mp3 John Williams - Battle Hymn Of The Republic.mp3 Mozart - Piano Sonata No. 15 in C Major.mp3 mozart_sonata_in_f_major_.mp3 Palladio Allegretto.mp3 (This is the entire song that they use in the DeBeers commercials - interesting history, but it's a great piece) pianist, the (soundtrack) - 06 - chopin - waltz #3 in a minor, op. 34.mp3 George Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue - (Boston Pops).mp3 (Absolutely fantastic. I actually got to see the MN Orchestra play this last year. I can play it, but it's crap without the orchestra behind you. And the sheet music I have doesn't have some of the jazzy additions) Rodgers - The Carousel Waltz.mp3.OK (Of all the music Richard Rodgers wrote, this was his favorite) Schumann_-_Piano_Concerto_-_III.mp3 Strauss_-_The_Blue_Danube.mp3 (Of course) Tchaikovsky - 1812 Overture (John Williams conducts The Boston Pops Orchestra).mp3 (Of course) Wagner_-_Tannhauser.mp3 (And a little opera to round things out. I would still like to get a few from Carmen, but I haven't yet). On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 10:15, Tim Sinks wrote: > Only the blues. Koko Taylor, John Lee Hooker, Pinetop Perkins, B. B., > Stevie Ray, "Gatemouth", Buddy Guy. The list goes on. Down and dirty and > with a heavy slap beat. > Or, J. S. Bach, the Brandenburg Concertos, the Fugue in F Major. Or to end > all put on 'Time Out', etc. from Mr. Brubeck. > Those little guys you've mentioned got everything they know from the folks > listed above. > Sing a little 'Evil', Koko, > Tim Sinks > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From levay at visi.com Mon Mar 1 11:06:15 2004 From: levay at visi.com (levay@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078160775.40436d87061a2@my.visi.com> A little classic Joy Divisin, New Order or any Factory Records act is good to hear while I noodle with my linux machine (which crashed for first time in 4 months trying to get out of KPPP...total machine lockup...today it is fine...brain fart?) Yum...Kraftwerk and some Section 25..... Craig > > Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:36:19 -0600 > > From: Andrei Bazhgin > > > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make > > me think about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all > > that fun stuff. > > Showing my age here... anything by Information Society, some Kraftwerk and > its offshoot Elektric Music (more the self-titled first album), and > Depeche Mode offshoot Recoil. > > The Quake soundtrack is pretty good too. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 1 11:48:53 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040229230629.S72402@unix18.sihope.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040229230629.S72402@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > I would highly recommend buying every single PF album and listening to > them all one at a time, starting with the earliest. There is some > really good stuff that never gets airtime (like Shine On, because it's > too long for radio (but too short for my liking!)). There are very few > PF songs that I don't at least partially like ("Money" comes to mind) Heck yeah - they rock. > Has seen Roger Waters twice in concert Only once here, but it was great! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Mar 1 12:07:41 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <1078152944.1585.51.camel@unixws1>; from adamm@sihope.com on Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 08:55:46AM -0600 References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040229230629.S72402@unix18.sihope.com> <404341F9.90501@structural-wood.com> <1078152944.1585.51.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040301120741.B2700@real-time.com> On 03/01 08:55 , Adam Maloney wrote: > Just thought of another source - when I ran my BBS, I used to have a few > hundred megs of techno music in the form of ScreamTracker3 and MODs. > Maybe, just maybe, some of these still exist somewhere. the coolest MOD file I ever heard, was a copy of NIN's "Head Like a Hole" which had been accidentally deleted, and then undeleted (or so the story went). The first 15 seconds or so were corrupt, but came out in this vaguely musical grinding, crunching, thumping sound that fit and led very well into the rest of the song. ;) more's the pity, I think I deleted it somewhere along the line, along with the other hundreds of MOD/S3M files I once had. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Mar 1 11:57:13 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <1078159238.1585.85.camel@unixws1>; from adamm@sihope.com on Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 10:40:40AM -0600 References: <009f01c3ffa8$63258de0$0300000a@net.tsinks> <1078159238.1585.85.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040301115713.A2700@real-time.com> On 03/01 10:40 , Adam Maloney wrote: > So anyone who ever wondered how I can type 100+ wpm, it's mostly because > I have played piano for quite a few years. So I love classical music, > especially classical and jazz piano. As evidenced by these excerpts > from that MP3 directory: well at least I don't feel quite so strange for listening to Lawrence Welk while writing documentation. :) Mind you, I once found myself going directly from Slayer to Lawrence Welk to Depeche Mode (or some other 80s-pop band... don't remember clearly anymore)... on a per-song basis. I've also found that while I can't stand country music for the most part, bluegrass is ok. Not sure why. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Mon Mar 1 12:38:06 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <38BD6131.7030503@ppdonline.com> A little music history lesson... Some of the first "music" in history was chanting. We're talking predating melody here. That music and quite a bit of early molodic music as well was around 60-70 beats per minute. It's believed that it was done that way to match the rythm of the heart. Flash forward... The reason that up-tempo music seems to give you energy is that correspondence between music rythm and heart rate. A lot of trance music is done at 130 bpm because they want a high energy reaction from the audience. Anyway, that said I'd be looking for music in the 130+ bpm range. You don't necessarily need to limit yourself to techno (or even worse one sub-genre of the techno world) to do that. There are plenty of rock, disco, dance etc... songs that are in that range. Check out... http://www.djrhythms.com/db/dbsearch.asp It's a searchable database (mostly dance/electronic though) of songs with bpm rates. If you really like the electronic sound and want to avoid more traditional music remember that there are lots of camps in the techno world, most people who responded have focused on trance and hard-core but you might like some house and big-beat stuff too. One more thing, a couple people mentioned compilations but most of those are mixed (usually by a DJ big on the rave scene), you may be hearing more of what the DJ has done to the track than the original artist when you take that approach. I've never liked compilations because of that. Have fun, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bfriedman at exstream.com Mon Mar 1 12:46:36 2004 From: bfriedman at exstream.com (Brent Friedman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about db2 Message-ID: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A194@rye.exstream.com> If anyone on the list is a db2 guru, and wouldn't mind answering a few questions off-list, I can really use some configuration help with db2. I have Oracle 9i running flawlessly for what I need, but trying to set up db2 is being a real pain (version 8.1). The basic scenario - need to configure it for high volume, concurrent transactions with jdbc (pessimistic transaction mode, already tried Configuration Assistant, lockspace settings, readable_read, and a lot of other stuff.) Thanks, Brent Friedman bfriedman@exstream.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Mon Mar 1 12:52:01 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music Message-ID: <1078167121.c8844c5ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Sounds like a plan. No school fridays, otherwise busy during weekdays...lemme know your schedule offlist. -----Original Message----- From: Andrei Bazhgin To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 00:41:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music Come down to where? ACM? I havent been there for a long time, and probobly wont be for another long time. I have a large collection myself that you might take interest in lookin in, maybe we can swap a few gigs. What do you say to that? On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 12:20:53AM -0600, K B wrote: > Uhhh...lemme know a day I can come down, you'd probably like a few gigs outta my collection, lol. I don't know what all I listen to, I just hit 'next' til I find a good one. Lots of techno though, lots. > > (No highspeed so can't send that way, sorry) -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Mon Mar 1 13:05:20 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <38BD6131.7030503@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: My picks: BassDrive, (downtempo drum-n-bass) monkeyradio, (some downtempo/triphop), and SecretAgent (the soundtrack for your stylish, mysterious, dagnerous life ;) (all shoutcast stations, so I can listen at home or work) Any classic or classic-sounding Jazz (not a free-jazz person) I like intelligent every now and again (aphex twin-ish stuff) but depending on what I'm doing, it's too complex to have on in the background. Either way, I prefer minimal vocals and low to medium tempo. Too low and I start getting tired, though. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ben Bargabus Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 12:28 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music A little music history lesson... Some of the first "music" in history was chanting. We're talking predating melody here. That music and quite a bit of early molodic music as well was around 60-70 beats per minute. It's believed that it was done that way to match the rythm of the heart. Flash forward... The reason that up-tempo music seems to give you energy is that correspondence between music rythm and heart rate. A lot of trance music is done at 130 bpm because they want a high energy reaction from the audience. Anyway, that said I'd be looking for music in the 130+ bpm range. You don't necessarily need to limit yourself to techno (or even worse one sub-genre of the techno world) to do that. There are plenty of rock, disco, dance etc... songs that are in that range. Check out... http://www.djrhythms.com/db/dbsearch.asp It's a searchable database (mostly dance/electronic though) of songs with bpm rates. If you really like the electronic sound and want to avoid more traditional music remember that there are lots of camps in the techno world, most people who responded have focused on trance and hard-core but you might like some house and big-beat stuff too. One more thing, a couple people mentioned compilations but most of those are mixed (usually by a DJ big on the rave scene), you may be hearing more of what the DJ has done to the track than the original artist when you take that approach. I've never liked compilations because of that. Have fun, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Mar 1 13:13:03 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Truwtin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <38BD6131.7030503@ppdonline.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <38BD6131.7030503@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20040301131303.00003b29@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:28:01 -0700 "Ben Bargabus" wrote: > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:28:01 -0700 ^^^^ Ben, check your sys date... Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Mon Mar 1 14:44:08 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music References: <009f01c3ffa8$63258de0$0300000a@net.tsinks><1078159238.1585.85.camel@unixws1> <20040301115713.A2700@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00d101c3ffcd$f85c8f60$0300000a@net.tsinks> Bluegrass grew out of the old Celtic songs and other mixes from the immigrants into old Virginia, the Carolinas, and Georgia. These included African influences, also. My father liked bluegrass and he and the family, in southern Illinois ( southeast of St. Louis ), indicated they were singing and jigging to a lot of that type of music way back into the 1800's. The old Country music expanded into the electric and bluegrass didn't. If you listen to some of the old recordings made in the 30's through the 50's by the government ( some of that came out of the depression to retain some of the old culture that was being lost ) you can hear a lot of the beginnings of what grew into bluegrass from the old folk, Irish/Scottish, and Country songs. And remember, that is not the country/western played today. It grew out of that mix just like jazz. The original ragtime uses a banjo just like bluegrass. Fiddles are a key part of Celtic as well as bluegrass. Isn't music fun! Also, musical, math, and artistic talents are directly associated with the same brain areas as programming, etc. It's logic and being able to picture things. Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music > On 03/01 10:40 , Adam Maloney wrote: > > So anyone who ever wondered how I can type 100+ wpm, it's mostly because > > I have played piano for quite a few years. So I love classical music, > > especially classical and jazz piano. As evidenced by these excerpts > > from that MP3 directory: > > well at least I don't feel quite so strange for listening to Lawrence Welk > while writing documentation. :) > Mind you, I once found myself going directly from Slayer to Lawrence Welk to > Depeche Mode (or some other 80s-pop band... don't remember clearly > anymore)... on a per-song basis. I've also found that while I can't stand > country music for the most part, bluegrass is ok. Not sure why. > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Mon Mar 1 15:11:31 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <38BD6131.7030503@ppdonline.com> <20040301131303.00003b29@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <38BD8579.70106@ppdonline.com> Silly training room machines, wrong dates and locked out of admin rights to change it. (ARG!) Ben. Josh Truwtin wrote: > On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:28:01 -0700 > "Ben Bargabus" wrote: > > >>Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:28:01 -0700 >> > ^^^^ > > Ben, check your sys date... > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Mar 1 15:59:29 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040229225751.A1526@thinkunix.net> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040229225751.A1526@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040301215929.GB65912@nan2d.com> I checked it out, and it looks like its Rock, or somthing derived from Rock. I don't have anything against Rock, but it destracts me when I am programming because I start to focus on the lyrics. On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:57:51PM -0600, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > > This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? If anyone > > has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. Somthing like > > the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to > > find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to music like > > that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it inspires > > me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. > > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make me think > > about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun stuff. > > Tool > > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Mar 1 15:56:16 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040301215616.GA65912@nan2d.com> Wow, thank you for all of your replies, I will make sure to look into all of the mentioned artists. I already have quite a large collection of techno and industrial (sp??) music, like Orbital and Kraftwork (imported album collection from Russia, all on mp3 ;)) and Chemical Bros. I am defenetely going to check out all of these artist, absolutely. I found this thing, called ``Ishkur's music guide'' that has, basicaly, a historical storyboard of electronic music, with branches of how one style derived from another, et cetra. It also includes a total of over 2 hours of samples of every style. Check this out, it has ultimate power: http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm Thank you again all, keep them coming ;) -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Mar 1 16:13:04 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <4043488C.2060809@cdf123.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <4043488C.2060809@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20040301221304.GE65912@nan2d.com> I listened to some KMFDM, but it sounds nothing like the kind of techno I listen to. It is not bad, but I didnt really enjoy listening to it as some other tracks in my collection. I dont really like Rock when it comes to having a "hacker" attitude. Alian Ant Farm is probobly the most tolorables band that I can stand while coding. On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 08:28:28AM -0600, Chris Frederick wrote: > Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > > >So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make me > >think > >about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun > >stuff. > > > >Thanks :) > > > > > What no Nine Inch Nails? KMFDM? These are a bit more hard core than > what was mentioned, but they deserve mention at least. :-) > > You might want to look to your old game library too. Best example of > this is Quake (All techno by Nine Inch Nails) and Quake 2 (Can't > remember who wrote this one). Theres some really good techno in some of > these games and most of it is just sitting on the disk as CDA just > waiting to be ripped to MP3/OGG. > > Chris Frederick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Mar 1 16:01:49 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040301220149.GC65912@nan2d.com> Thank you for that link :o I played it in class today as our instructor was giving a winsock lesson. 'twas fun 'twas fun. On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 11:16:57PM -0600, johnnyfulcrum wrote: > On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:36:19 -0600, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > > >This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? If > >anyone > >has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. > >Somthing like > >the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to > >find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to > >music like > >that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it > >inspires > >me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. > > > >So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make > >me think > >about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun > >stuff. > > > > Humm - this is really vulgar but: > > > http://overstated.net/03/02/030205the_terrible_mr_g.asp > > I can't stop listening to it.... > > :) > > >Thanks :) > > > > > > -- > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Mar 1 16:18:14 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301215616.GA65912@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <007401c3ffdb$17037890$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > I found this thing, called ``Ishkur's music guide'' that has, Hahahaha, Ishkur's is hilarious, but please don't use it as a serious reference. =] Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Mar 1 16:21:38 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <38BD8579.70106@ppdonline.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <38BD6131.7030503@ppdonline.com> <20040301131303.00003b29@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <38BD8579.70106@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20040301222138.GF65912@nan2d.com> SpamAssassin give the message a DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX penalty for this, FYI. It's strange, but shouldnt the mailing-list software take care of this? Or is `Date:' not a standard message header? On Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 02:02:49PM -0700, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Silly training room machines, wrong dates and locked out of admin rights > to change it. (ARG!) > Ben. > > Josh Truwtin wrote: > > >On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:28:01 -0700 > >"Ben Bargabus" wrote: > > > > > >>Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:28:01 -0700 > >> > > ^^^^ > > > >Ben, check your sys date... > > > >Josh > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Mar 1 16:44:57 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <007401c3ffdb$17037890$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <20040301215616.GA65912@nan2d.com> <007401c3ffdb$17037890$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <20040301224457.GA73844@nan2d.com> Right. I do think that his text is sort of like Maddox's philisophies. My favorite: "This techno will kick your ass so hard you will be shitting shoes for the next month" (or somthing close to that) Its nice that someone went through all the trouble to make that though, it obviously has a lot of effort put into it. Thanks for the hint though :S On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 04:18:14PM -0600, Matt Murphy wrote: > > I found this thing, called ``Ishkur's music guide'' that has, > > Hahahaha, Ishkur's is hilarious, but please don't use it as a > serious reference. =] > > Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Mar 1 17:44:51 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To original poster and anyone else: 1 - Go here: http://www.musicplasma.com/ 2 - Enter your favorite artist of the moment. 3 - Waste several hours linking to artists close and far in whatever scale they use, going to related web sites, and listening to samples. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Mon Mar 1 17:44:24 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <38BD8579.70106@ppdonline.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040301131303.00003b29@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <38BD8579.70106@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <200403011744.24970.bmaas@open-techsys.com> I'm sure someone else has already mentioned it, but looks like you're stuck in a time warp. On Wednesday 01 March 2000 03:02 pm, Ben Bargabus wrote: ^^^^^^^ -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Mar 1 18:22:50 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian network connectivity issue In-Reply-To: <001101c3feaf$d93aff00$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <001101c3feaf$d93aff00$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040301182250.22a61019.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 04:36:11 -0600 "David Phillips" wrote: > It sounds like a bad network card or issues caused by a cheap > network card. Make sure you have the latest kernel. If so, try > changing the network card. > > RTL8139 based cards (8139too driver) are a bad idea. While they > should work, it is a lousy chipset and I've seen problems with them > on certain machines. These chipsets are usually found on very cheap > cards (and even some not-so-cheap cards if you are shopping at Best > Buy or similar). A new Linksys LNE100TX (tulip driver) is a decent > card for a home machine. I've always had good luck with eepro100 > based cards in both Linux and FreeBSD on machines that push a lot of > traffic. 3com cards (3c59x driver) are also solid. > > Your hub / switch might also be broken. I have the Linksys LNE100TX cards in all of my systems, and I'm finding that they (Linksys in general) are crap. Cabling checks out fine. I have a Cisco hub with a Linksys Etherfast switch (#ezxs88w) connected into the hub. If I go from my desktop (plugged into the switch) to my internal server, data transfer rate is pathetic. Worse than 10 networks. Ditto if I go directly to Cisco. I've tried hard coding my servers for 100FD, with no difference. All of my network cards are showing errors, one of them is even showing counts in the 3.38 million error range after a week of serving files. If I change out the Linksys cards for 3Com, and plug directly into the Cisco 10/100 hub, speed is where it's supposed to be for 100MB networks without errors. Downside, parts are more expensive for 3Com and Cisco compared to Linksys. Upside, parts are tons better! At least in my experience. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Mar 1 22:05:54 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mythtv / prismiq In-Reply-To: <20040225172203.GC28147@therub.org> References: <20040225172203.GC28147@therub.org> Message-ID: <1078200352.30121.10676.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Mar 1 22:15:25 2004 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <38BD6131.7030503@ppdonline.com>; from ben_b@ppdonline.com on Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 11:28:01AM -0700 References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <38BD6131.7030503@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20040301221525.A1508@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 11:28:01AM -0700, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Anyway, that said I'd be looking for music in the 130+ bpm range. Kepa Junkera has some interesting up tempo stuff on accordion. Double CD set - Bilbao 00:00h. Arin Quebec ... -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Con of the North Games Convention http://www.conofthenorth.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Mar 1 23:02:54 2004 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040229225751.A1526@thinkunix.net> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040229225751.A1526@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Feb 29, 2004, at 10:57 PM, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Andrei Bazhgin wrote: >> This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? >> If anyone >> has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. >> Somthing like >> the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to >> find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to >> music like >> that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it >> inspires >> me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. >> So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to >> make me think >> about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun >> stuff. > > Tool Agreed, initial poster is a Tool. > > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens U.S. Admins, Inc Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Mar 1 23:55:19 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <002c01c3ff53$4cc28210$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <002c01c3ff53$4cc28210$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1078206918.30112.10816.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Mar 2 01:15:48 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mythtv / prismiq In-Reply-To: <1078200352.30121.10676.camel@3po> References: <20040225172203.GC28147@therub.org> <1078200352.30121.10676.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20040302071548.GR24827@techmonkeys.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Tue Mar 2 03:33:06 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040229225751.A1526@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040302093306.GA15835@nan2d.com> I dont know if you are joking or not. Is this topic too uncool for you? -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From levay at visi.com Tue Mar 2 04:00:32 2004 From: levay at visi.com (Craig LeVay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mythtv / prismiq In-Reply-To: <1078200352.30121.10676.camel@3po> References: <20040225172203.GC28147@therub.org> <1078200352.30121.10676.camel@3po> Message-ID: All lot of those "awful resolution" sets around yet....two in my house yet and hardly watch them. (12 year old Sharp and 25 year old Sears...both work well). When they change the spectrum to HDTV or digital TV, I can turn them off permanently and then send my nasty warmed up in hell letter to FCC honcho Michael Powell. No cable here, either, or dish (600 channels of crap vs. dozen channels). Quite co-operating with these guys. Reasons why I run linux, built by users for users. Runs the barebones I need. Craig LeVay (running RH 8 on a desktop and nothing else on a Pentium 2 machine and (else. AmigaDos on the other machine) > especially if you're thinking of getting an HDTV soon. Regular TVs have > awful resolution, and this thing wouldn't be so great if it's not > pumping out a high-res display (IMHO, at least). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Mar 2 09:01:59 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting speaker Message-ID: <20040302150159.GD17497@fandre.com> So I have been dropping the ball again scheduling a meeting speaker for this month's meeting. I was going to present myself about my recent experiences with setting up a MythTV box, but due to a basketball tournament this weekend I'll be unable to attend. So does anyone want to present this Saturday? -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net Tue Mar 2 10:12:18 2004 From: Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net (Scott J Julian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com><20040229225751.A1526@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <003701c40071$24af7700$6401a8c0@xp2100> Try some Crystal Method, or the Chemical Brothers:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Lutgens" To: "Scot Jenkins" ; "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music > > On Feb 29, 2004, at 10:57 PM, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > > Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > >> This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? > >> If anyone > >> has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. > >> Somthing like > >> the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to > >> find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to > >> music like > >> that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it > >> inspires > >> me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. > >> So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to > >> make me think > >> about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun > >> stuff. > > > > Tool > > Agreed, initial poster is a Tool. > > > > > -- > > scot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > U.S. Admins, Inc > Server Gumby > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Mar 2 04:10:04 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vonage (was DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business) In-Reply-To: References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <40445D7C.4000509@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Munir - Vonage is pretty good, I think... if you don't use it that much. We're on the $24/mo plan (I'll happily refer anyone as well for the free month of service). For others using Vonage, how has the quality of service been? A lot of our calls are full of static or echo and on the other end even choppy. Has anyone else experienced this? -dd Munir Nassar wrote: >On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > >>This is one of those things that 5 years ago I said would be awesome, >>and then decided Qwest would never do so I paid my $75 to get a >>"XXX-XXX-BOFH" number (LART was taken for every exchange at Front St), >>so now I'm rather tied to my POTS service. I've even grown dependent on >>all that crap that I said I would never have, like call waiting and >>caller ID. >> >> > >i am thinking of moving my number to vonage, 15/month for a phone line >with 500 minutes a month. includes all the nice features such as callerid >and call waiting. > >in total it only ends up only a few bucks cheaper, but the >l33tness of using VoIP makes up for it. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 2 11:27:29 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vonage (was DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business) In-Reply-To: <40445D7C.4000509@edenpr.k12.mn.us> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <40445D7C.4000509@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Dave Dash wrote: > For others using Vonage, how has the quality of service been? A lot of > our calls are full of static or echo and on the other end even choppy. > Has anyone else experienced this? I haven't had any problems with my primary line (which is Vonage), except those times I start a large download or upload (uploads are worse) that consumes all my bandwidth while I'm on the phone. I'm still playing with getting QoS set up to help that out; it's better now, but still not great. If I'm just reading e-mail or surfing the web when using the phone, though, it's no problem. I'm on a RoadRunner cable modem. I do have a Virtual Number in the 253 area code, and when someone calls on that line, there is a bit of echo.. just enough to be annoying. I keep meaning on looking into that, but since I'm setting up an Asterisk box with IAX peering now anyways, I may just cancel the 253 number and get a toll free number routed via IAX. :) One thing to note - one of my coworkers also has Vonage, and was using it with old junk phones to start with (like the really early touch-tone phones). He said it sounded horrible on those, and went out and purchased a cheap new phone, and the quality improved. Are you on the ATA-186 or the Motorola VT1000? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 2 13:45:12 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files Message-ID: Is anyone here familiar with unpacking windows InstallShield files under linux/windows? I want/need to update the BIOS on my laptop to fix some ACPI issues but the bios firmware only comes in an installshield .exe file. I tried installing this on $windowsbox and it did not work as it actually does some hardware checks to make sure it is being installed on said laptop. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Mar 2 13:47:29 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040302093306.GA15835@nan2d.com> Message-ID: It's not a Linix topic: that's uncool. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music > > > I dont know if you are joking or not. Is this topic too uncool for you? > > -- > Andrei Bazhgin > www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 2 01:59:28 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:45:12 -0600 (CST), Munir Nassar wrote: > Is anyone here familiar with unpacking windows InstallShield files under > linux/windows? no, but sounds like a fun hack... > > I want/need to update the BIOS on my laptop to fix some ACPI issues but > the bios firmware only comes in an installshield .exe file. can you point me to the file or email off list? I have installshield multiplatorm 4.5 installed on my linux box - I'll try to run it through.... > I tried > installing this on $windowsbox and it did not work as it actually does > some hardware checks to make sure it is being installed on said laptop. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Tue Mar 2 14:01:05 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vonage (was DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business) In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:27:29AM -0600 References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <40445D7C.4000509@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20040302140105.A4099@real-time.com> On 03/02 11:27 , Nate Carlson wrote: > One thing to note - one of my coworkers also has Vonage, and was using it > with old junk phones to start with (like the really early touch-tone > phones). He said it sounded horrible on those, and went out and purchased > a cheap new phone, and the quality improved. that would be me. :) yeah, 1979-vintage phones really suck on my ATA-186. 1980s-vintage phones work much better; and new phones work better yet (even if it is a $9.99 special from Target). I suspect that the ATA-186 amplifies any imperfections in the signal, so things either sound really good, or really bad; nothing in between like you get with an analog line. sometimes, the sound quality is pretty good; as good as a landline if not better. Other times, it's awful (sometimes even when calling different offices in the same building at the remote end, one call will be great, and another will have many dropouts and 'static'). When I called Vonage's help desk once; the quality was kind of spotty. I'd hypothesize that they might be internally using VoIP phones on an overloaded network; but I don't have any evidence to back that hypothesis up. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Tue Mar 2 15:13:29 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040302211329.GB56928@nan2d.com> IIRC, WinRar can do this under Windows. I have it installed, and I know that it gives context menues to executables that have compresed data in them and you can uncompress it. I faintly remember doing this to InstallSheild setup executables to get the .cab files from them, and then those .cab files containd the data itself. WinRar can open the .cab files as well. You can install WinRar (http://www.rarlab.com), I am pretty sure it does this. On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 01:45:12PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > Is anyone here familiar with unpacking windows InstallShield files under > linux/windows? > > I want/need to update the BIOS on my laptop to fix some ACPI issues but > the bios firmware only comes in an installshield .exe file. I tried > installing this on $windowsbox and it did not work as it actually does > some hardware checks to make sure it is being installed on said laptop. > > -- > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > http://redconcepts.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Mar 2 08:24:08 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Vonage (was DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business) In-Reply-To: References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <40445D7C.4000509@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <40449908.8050507@edenpr.k12.mn.us> I'm on some type of Motorola device. I'm using an older cordless phone, but usually we've tried experimenting between that and an older desk phone. Eventually I'll work up the nerve to purchase one of those snazy mutli-handset phones. >I haven't had any problems with my primary line (which is Vonage), except >those times I start a large download or upload (uploads are worse) that >consumes all my bandwidth while I'm on the phone. I'm still playing with >getting QoS set up to help that out; it's better now, but still not great. >If I'm just reading e-mail or surfing the web when using the phone, >though, it's no problem. I'm on a RoadRunner cable modem. > >I do have a Virtual Number in the 253 area code, and when someone calls on >that line, there is a bit of echo.. just enough to be annoying. I keep >meaning on looking into that, but since I'm setting up an Asterisk box >with IAX peering now anyways, I may just cancel the 253 number and get a >toll free number routed via IAX. :) > >One thing to note - one of my coworkers also has Vonage, and was using it >with old junk phones to start with (like the really early touch-tone >phones). He said it sounded horrible on those, and went out and purchased >a cheap new phone, and the quality improved. > >Are you on the ATA-186 or the Motorola VT1000? > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Mar 2 15:38:28 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078263508.30112.12003.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 2 16:05:55 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files In-Reply-To: <1078263508.30112.12003.camel@3po> References: <1078263508.30112.12003.camel@3po> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Mike Hicks wrote: > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 13:45, Munir Nassar wrote: > > Is anyone here familiar with unpacking windows InstallShield files under > > linux/windows? > > > > I want/need to update the BIOS on my laptop to fix some ACPI issues but > > the bios firmware only comes in an installshield .exe file. I tried > > installing this on $windowsbox and it did not work as it actually does > > some hardware checks to make sure it is being installed on said laptop. > > I know I've been able to get stuff out of .exe files with 'unzip' on > occasion, but I can't be sure if they were InstallShield files or not. > I think InstallShield might have used zip file formats in the past, but > they seem to have moved on in past years (possibly to RAR as Andrei's > post suggests). There are some RAR tools on Linux, so it might be worth > giving them a try. tried that already, cabextract was able to extract the wrapper .exe: $ cabextract pha6k14nll.exe Extracting cabinet: pha6k14nll.exe extracting: \Setup.exe extracting: \ikernel.ex_ extracting: \setup.inx extracting: \data2.cab extracting: \layout.bin extracting: \data1.hdr extracting: \data1.cab extracting: \Setup.ini Finished processing cabinet. but the cab files do not seem to be regular cab files: $ cabextract data1.cab Extracting cabinet: data1.cab data1.cab: not a Microsoft cabinet file. $ cabextract data2.cab Extracting cabinet: data2.cab data2.cab: not a Microsoft cabinet file. opening these files in WindowsExplorer simply gives me an empty archive, (yes i have hidden files unhidden, same for system yada yada yada) I also tried installing this using a BartsPE bootable CD, but that did not work because it could not install onto the CD, windows cannot access the ext3 filesystem on the HDD. So, short of installing winders on a spare drive, can anyone think of a way to flash the BIOS on this system? > By the way, what is the advantage of RAR? It seems to be a program that > makes things more complicated rather than less (though I suppose it gets > somewhat better compression in some cases -- never seemed to be as good > as gzip or bzip2 to me). because the commandline windows/dos versions of bzip2 suck. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markdeb.browne at comcast.net Mon Mar 1 00:59:48 2004 From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <001801c3ff5a$cc30de00$1f02a8c0@zippy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrei Bazhgin" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music > This is a bit stereotipical of me, but what is good "hacker" music? If anyone > has listened to "Army of Me" by Bjork, you might know what I mean. Somthing like > the music from Hackers or Antitrust. I need to > find some upbeat progressive techno (hardcore) fast. When I listen to music like > that, I get a strange, yet uplifting fealing. I like that fealing, it inspires > me. I know it sounds strange, but it does. > > So, can anyone suggest some good techno to listen to? Somthing to make me think > about hacking and computers and l33t and cat5 cables and all that fun stuff. > > Thanks :) > > -- > andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com There are differnet albums for every type of coding - here are a few I use ... Alan Parsons Project - I Robot (Asembly Code) Alan Parsons Project - Eve Alan Parsons Project - Eye In The Sky Alan Parsons Project - Pyramid Alan Parsons Project - Tales of Mystery and Imagination Alan Parsons Project - The Turn of a Friendly Card Art of Noise - The Seduction of Claude Debussy Blue Man Group - Audio Camel - Mirage Camel - The Snow Goose Carlos Santana - ABRAXAS Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith and Devotion Devo - Q Are we not men A We are Devo! (Visual Basic) Digitalman - (This is the TCMECH Wars album - naturally, I listen to this while writing battlebot controller code, see www.tcmechwars.com) Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Works Enigma - MCMXC a.D. Enigma - The Cross Of Changes Enigma - Le Roi Est Mort, Vive Le Roi! Enya - Watermark (Debugging - it's soothing) Harry Nilsson - Nilsson Schmilsson Jethro Tull - Aqualung Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick (Perl) Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells Moby - Play Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse of Reason Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs Sin?ad O'Connor - The Lion and the Cobra Sneaker Pimps - Becoming X Thomas Dolby - The Golden Age of Wireless Vanessa Mae - Storm Vanessa Mae - The Violin Player Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 VAST - Visual Audio Sensory Theater Wendy Carlos - Switched-On Bach Yes - Tales of Topgraphics Oceans (C) Yes - Yessongs Zero 7 - Simple Things Mark Browne _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Mon Mar 1 12:28:08 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <009f01c3ffa8$63258de0$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: With Dead Hands Rising, and Section Hate are my bands of choice. They are local bands from Minneapolis -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Mar 2 19:50:15 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files References: <1078263508.30112.12003.camel@3po> Message-ID: <005301c400c1$dfcf2800$0201a8c0@brinstar> Munir Nassar writes: > So, short of installing winders on a spare drive, can anyone think of > a way to flash the BIOS on this system? Contact the vendor and ask them for a stand-alone version of the update. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Tue Mar 2 20:01:20 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files In-Reply-To: <1078263508.30112.12003.camel@3po> References: <1078263508.30112.12003.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20040303020120.GA8889@nan2d.com> Well, for one: RAR compresses _way_ better then ZIP does. I dont know if it is better at compressing text-only data or other types of data, here is what I get for an XSL file (Microsoft Excel): Original size: 2,433,024 bytes ZIP size: 303,104 bytes RAR size: 266,240 bytes I use WinRAR wit the highest compression factor. The results seem more noticble on larger files (>100 MB Apache log files for example) I havent used the command line RAR for along time, I usually just tar with gzip/bzip2, so I dont know anything abou the cli version of it. > By the way, what is the advantage of RAR? It seems to be a program that > makes things more complicated rather than less (though I suppose it gets > somewhat better compression in some cases -- never seemed to be as good > as gzip or bzip2 to me). -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 2 20:16:02 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files In-Reply-To: <005301c400c1$dfcf2800$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1078263508.30112.12003.camel@3po> <005301c400c1$dfcf2800$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, David Phillips wrote: > Contact the vendor and ask them for a stand-alone version of the update. did that already, "We do not support linux at this time". SONY sucks. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 2 20:54:39 2004 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404548EF.5090500@mn.rr.com> Chuck Cole wrote: >It's not a Linix topic: that's uncool. > > Many replies on a linux list for a non-linux subject. Hmmmmm. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Mar 2 21:06:03 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: References: <20040302093306.GA15835@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040303030603.GA2698@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Tue Mar 2 21:49:50 2004 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040303030603.GA2698@autonomous.tv> References: <20040302093306.GA15835@nan2d.com> <20040303030603.GA2698@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: On Mar 2, 2004, at 9:06 PM, Spencer Butler wrote: >>> I dont know if you are joking or not. Is this topic too uncool for >>> you? > Ben would never tell a lie nor a joke, you might want to run ;) > hehe, busted. Seriously though I ONLY listen to porno music. bow-chicka mow mow! -- Ben Lutgens U.S. Admins, Inc Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 2 22:03:20 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040303030603.GA2698@autonomous.tv> References: <20040302093306.GA15835@nan2d.com> <20040303030603.GA2698@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 21:06:03 -0600, Spencer Butler wrote: > On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 01:47:29PM -0600, Chuck Cole wrote: >> It's not a Linix topic: that's uncool. > I call it Linux. >> Installing linux ..... Free Joining local Linux user group ..... Free Misspelling Linux while posting to group .... Priceless ;) (the "u" and "i" ARE close on the Keyboard!) I forgot to add some Korn to the list. Specially if your coding for a taskmaster boss or have had a bad childhood (or just plain pissed!) :p >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >>> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music >>> >>> >>> I dont know if you are joking or not. Is this topic too uncool for you? > Ben would never tell a lie nor a joke, you might want to run ;) > > Just for the record (and to stay on thread and close to topic): > > sub|hum|ans "The Day the Country Died" > Exploited "Let's Start A war" > Neurosis "Aberration 7" " > MPR "Non-Membership Drive" > Free Software Song > > All good things to listen to while hacking with Linux. >>> >>> -- >>> Andrei Bazhgin >>> www.nan2d.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Tue Mar 2 22:07:02 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: References: <20040302093306.GA15835@nan2d.com> <20040303030603.GA2698@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20040303040702.GA48408@nan2d.com> That. Is. Fabulous. You wouldn't by any chance know what actual song has that melody? Or is it just somthing people say? On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 09:49:50PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > bow-chicka mow mow! > > -- > Ben Lutgens > U.S. Admins, Inc > Server Gumby -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Mar 2 22:24:33 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200403030424.i234OXUr003133@alpha.twp-llc.com> > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:05:55 -0600 (CST) > From: Munir Nassar > So, short of installing winders on a spare drive, can anyone > think of a > way to flash the BIOS on this system? Hmm. I remember something just recently.... Oh yes: http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ Bart's PE. It'll help you make a live Windows bootable CD. Maybe that'll be enough to run your EXE. Or maybe Wine. Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at MarkCourtney.com Tue Mar 2 23:27:31 2004 From: tclug at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I'd like to thank Mr. Adam Maloney for this valuable info. I called qwest and did the old switcheroo, dropped the phone number that never gets used (treos rock), upgraded to the 1.5 line, and I'm gonna be saving some dough. They're even sending me a new Actiontec to boot (for free). They claim that the Cisco 678 won't handle the 1.5 line. Does anybody know if this is true? Thanks again, Adam. Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ > The rumors are true. I'm assuming the other MegaCentral's on this list > got the same notification from Qwest. > > New DSL tarrif (pending FCC approval 28-Feb-04) is DSL service without > phone service (well, without dialtone). $33/month plus ISP charge, the > "Deluxe" 1.5M service only, $99 install. Address loop-qual process (no > phone number). > > This is one of those things that 5 years ago I said would be awesome, > and then decided Qwest would never do so I paid my $75 to get a > "XXX-XXX-BOFH" number (LART was taken for every exchange at Front St), > so now I'm rather tied to my POTS service. I've even grown dependent on > all that crap that I said I would never have, like call waiting and > caller ID. > > If all it takes for something to happen, is for me to say it will never > happen, then: > > "Qwest will never have an option to activate additional PVC's to other > DSL hosts/subscribers on a DSL line." > > "Qwest will never credit my home account $10,000" > > "AOL will never go the @#$* away" > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net Wed Mar 3 00:26:31 2004 From: zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net (John Ford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <40457A97.5060807@DawnAndJohn.net> On 3/2/2004 11:27 PM Mark Courtney wrote: > I'd like to thank Mr. Adam Maloney for this valuable info. I called qwest > and did the old switcheroo, dropped the phone number that never gets used > (treos rock), upgraded to the 1.5 line, and I'm gonna be saving some > dough. They're even sending me a new Actiontec to boot (for free). They > claim that the Cisco 678 won't handle the 1.5 line. Does anybody know if > this is true? > > > Thanks again, Adam. No, it is *not* true. Many Qwest cust service (sales) folks will insist that you *have* to get their Actiontec. They don't know any better. I've seen newsgroup posts from at least a dozen folks in this area (mpls/stp) who have a 678 training at 1536/1024 with the new DSL service. As of tomorrow, I'll be another one. This is on a regular Qwest line with DSL. I assume it's the same for the "naked DSL" option. -- jcf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Mar 3 00:49:20 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nifty Linux themed wallpaper In-Reply-To: <007c01c3fda3$b944db60$1f02a8c0@zippy> References: <007c01c3fda3$b944db60$1f02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <1078296560.30112.12556.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Mar 3 07:19:53 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting speaker In-Reply-To: <20040302150159.GD17497@fandre.com> References: <20040302150159.GD17497@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040303131953.GA9726@refried.org> On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 09:01:59AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > So does anyone want to present this Saturday? I've been slacking off on this too, but I'd give a from-the-hip talk on SANs. I would appreciate anyone else in the group that has experience with SANs to come an supplement my talk. The only hands-on experience I'll be able to relay is on SGI products which aren't used much in the business environment. Does anyone want to help me? Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 3 08:06:56 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040303040702.GA48408@nan2d.com> References: <20040302093306.GA15835@nan2d.com> <20040303030603.GA2698@autonomous.tv> <20040303040702.GA48408@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <1078322814.6924.2.camel@unixws1> I think it was on the soundtrack to "Ally McFeal" or "Buffy the Vampire Layer" Both very classy movies :) On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 22:07, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > That. Is. Fabulous. > > You wouldn't by any chance know what actual song has that melody? Or is it just > somthing people say? > > On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 09:49:50PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > bow-chicka mow mow! > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens > > U.S. Admins, Inc > > Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 3 08:21:08 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <1078323666.6924.16.camel@unixws1> Well, you know, I'm just doin' my part :) John is correct, the 678's will work with 1.5M. See my home DSL: pak-chooie# show int wan0 wan0 ADSL Physical Port Line Trained Actual Configuration: Overhead Framing: 3 Trellis Coding: Enabled Standard Compliance: T1.413 Downstream Data Rate: 1536 Kbps Upstream Data Rate: 1024 Kbps Sexy! I did some tests FTPing from Sihope and am able to get pretty close to what I would execpt on a 1.5M ATM DSL. I called to make a change in service a few months ago, and buddy at Qwest tried to get me into a CraptionTec. He said "I see you have a 678 (actually I have 2 because their shipping department smokes too much crack). We're now using ActionTec's. They're much better, I'll ship one out to you." (I asked if this was going to cost me $5/month(?) modem rental - of course). I told him that actually I thought the ActionTec's were junk, and the 678's were much better, despite being twice the cost. He made some ridiculous claims about it being stable and easier to setup (BS), and finally shut up when I told him that I was perfectly happy with my functioning 678, thank you very much. Mark, if you get billed for modem rental, call the order center and get that thing shipped back to them. Your 678 should work fine, and it won't cost you $$$. Plus, the 67x's get hot and you can use them to keep your coffee warm, or start a fire in your home office. On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 23:27, Mark Courtney wrote: > I'd like to thank Mr. Adam Maloney for this valuable info. I called qwest > and did the old switcheroo, dropped the phone number that never gets used > (treos rock), upgraded to the 1.5 line, and I'm gonna be saving some > dough. They're even sending me a new Actiontec to boot (for free). They > claim that the Cisco 678 won't handle the 1.5 line. Does anybody know if > this is true? > > > Thanks again, Adam. > > > > Mark Courtney > > http://www.MarkCourtney.com > > __ > +|oo|+ > +|oo|+ > || > || > || > || > || > || > _ || _ > \\_||_// > | [] | > | || | > / [] \ > \______/ > > > The rumors are true. I'm assuming the other MegaCentral's on this list > > got the same notification from Qwest. > > > > New DSL tarrif (pending FCC approval 28-Feb-04) is DSL service without > > phone service (well, without dialtone). $33/month plus ISP charge, the > > "Deluxe" 1.5M service only, $99 install. Address loop-qual process (no > > phone number). > > > > This is one of those things that 5 years ago I said would be awesome, > > and then decided Qwest would never do so I paid my $75 to get a > > "XXX-XXX-BOFH" number (LART was taken for every exchange at Front St), > > so now I'm rather tied to my POTS service. I've even grown dependent on > > all that crap that I said I would never have, like call waiting and > > caller ID. > > > > If all it takes for something to happen, is for me to say it will never > > happen, then: > > > > "Qwest will never have an option to activate additional PVC's to other > > DSL hosts/subscribers on a DSL line." > > > > "Qwest will never credit my home account $10,000" > > > > "AOL will never go the @#$* away" > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Mar 3 08:38:12 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files Message-ID: >>> nassarmu@redconcepts.net 03/02/04 08:16PM >>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, David Phillips wrote: > Contact the vendor and ask them for a stand-alone version of the update. did that already, "We do not support linux at this time". SONY sucks. You can say that again. Their "support" deserves the quotation marks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 3 08:43:46 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <001801c3ff5a$cc30de00$1f02a8c0@zippy> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <001801c3ff5a$cc30de00$1f02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <1078325024.6924.33.camel@unixws1> > Alan Parsons Project - I Robot (Asembly Code) Yum - but what about Games People Play? My favorite APP song. Funny, I listened to that constantly when doing my MIPS ASM final project at the U (anyone remember the SPIMulator?!) The SPIMulator would actually not explode as much when I wrote code to this song. BTW, any of you up and coming CSci students, take "Machine Architecture" if it's still available. It was probably my favorite class, and if you already know assembler it's a breeze. Although the final exam is basically, "Using a piece of string, a matchhead, and a paperclip; design and build a 5th generation microprocessor..." Fun stuff. This list needs more cowbell! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Wed Mar 3 08:55:32 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078323666.6924.16.camel@unixws1> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <1078323666.6924.16.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040303145531.GA18721@therub.org> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 08:21:08AM -0600, Adam Maloney wrote: > Well, you know, I'm just doin' my part :) > > John is correct, the 678's will work with 1.5M. See my home DSL: > This being the case, anyone have an extra cowbell^H^H^H^H^H^H^H678 for me? I am moving and getting qworst/visi in about a month.. dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Wed Mar 3 09:04:30 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <20040303145531.GA18721@therub.org> Message-ID: <001301c40130$d7a5c5c0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > This being the case, anyone have an extra > cowbell^H^H^H^H^H^H^H678 for me? I am moving and getting > qworst/visi in about a month.. I might. Moving into my new house this weekend, if the roomies decide to go with cable instead of DSL, I'll happily sell my spare 678. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 3 09:13:48 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files In-Reply-To: <200403030424.i234OXUr003133@alpha.twp-llc.com> References: <200403030424.i234OXUr003133@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Chris Schumann wrote: > Hmm. I remember something just recently.... Oh yes: yeah i remembered that too, > Bart's PE. It'll help you make a live Windows bootable CD. > Maybe that'll be enough to run your EXE. it runs it, but it complain that it cannot unpack ikernel.exe to d:\program files\common files\blah blah blah... a RAM drive _may_ work, but iirc dos/windows does not let you mount drives within other drives. (mount x: c:\xdrive does not work) > Or maybe Wine. do i really want to futz with the firmware using wine? not unless i absolutely have to. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Mar 3 09:10:22 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078323666.6924.16.camel@unixws1> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <1078323666.6924.16.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <1078326622.28751.41.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:21, Adam Maloney wrote: > I did some tests FTPing from Sihope and am able to get pretty > close to what I would execpt on a 1.5M ATM DSL. I'm very jealous. What are you paying for 1.5M service? -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 3 09:43:13 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078326622.28751.41.camel@lotsa> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <1078323666.6924.16.camel@unixws1> <1078326622.28751.41.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1078328592.6924.50.camel@unixws1> $28/month to Qwest. Don't tell anyone, but since I work for Sihope I get the ISP service for free (shhh!) Normals would pay $19.95/month for the ISP service at either 256/256 or 1.5/1.0M, assuming basic residential service. So if you currently have the DSL Deluxe 640/256 service at $31.95 (Qwest side), you call them and switch to Qwest Choice Deluxe at $28/month and get more speed! On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:10, Tom Penney wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:21, Adam Maloney wrote: > > I did some tests FTPing from Sihope and am able to get pretty > > close to what I would execpt on a 1.5M ATM DSL. > > I'm very jealous. What are you paying for 1.5M service? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Mar 3 09:55:28 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078328592.6924.50.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: Is Qwest Choice Deluxe what they're calling the a la carte DSL service? We have DSL through visi at work but I'm going to get them to switch over, but I've pretty much got to write step-by-step instructions, as it'll probably be a manager or accountant of some sort making the switch. Will this person have to contact visi as well? John -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:43 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business $28/month to Qwest. Don't tell anyone, but since I work for Sihope I get the ISP service for free (shhh!) Normals would pay $19.95/month for the ISP service at either 256/256 or 1.5/1.0M, assuming basic residential service. So if you currently have the DSL Deluxe 640/256 service at $31.95 (Qwest side), you call them and switch to Qwest Choice Deluxe at $28/month and get more speed! On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:10, Tom Penney wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:21, Adam Maloney wrote: > > I did some tests FTPing from Sihope and am able to get pretty close > > to what I would execpt on a 1.5M ATM DSL. > > I'm very jealous. What are you paying for 1.5M service? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Mar 3 10:02:18 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078323666.6924.16.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: > > New DSL tarrif (pending FCC approval 28-Feb-04) is DSL service > > without phone service (well, without dialtone). $33/month plus ISP > > charge, the "Deluxe" 1.5M service only, $99 install. Address > > loop-qual process (no phone number). I don't recall seeing anyone else say this, but Qwest has an advert on their small business qwest choice dsl deluxe information page that says you can get 1 cent activation, so no $99 install (at least I assume these are the same things.) It doesn't say anything about whether you have to be a new subscriber or not, though. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 3 10:09:27 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078330166.6924.56.camel@unixws1> Choice Deluxe is the 1.5/1.0M option. I'm not sure what they're calling the service w/o the phoneline, but everyone else is calling it "naked" DSL (heh - DSL does Dallas). Maybe you can call your Qwest rep and ask them if you can cancel your phone service and keep the DSL, since they now have that as a tariff'd product? They didn't send us any details on the procedure, just the notice that it was going to be available. You can probably work directly with VISI to get everything done, as they should be able to place the necessary orders with Qwest on your behalf. Or you can work solely with Qwest. The ISP end doesn't care whether there's dialtone service or not. And if you upgrade to the Choice Deluxe service, the ISP will get a notice from Qwest with the new speeds, so they can make any necessary changes on their side to support it (move you to the correct ATM vc-class, for instance, if needed). On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:55, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > Is Qwest Choice Deluxe what they're calling the a la carte DSL service? > We have DSL through visi at work but I'm going to get them to switch > over, but I've pretty much got to write step-by-step instructions, as > it'll probably be a manager or accountant of some sort making the > switch. > > Will this person have to contact visi as well? > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:43 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business > > > $28/month to Qwest. Don't tell anyone, but since I work for Sihope I > get the ISP service for free (shhh!) Normals would pay $19.95/month for > the ISP service at either 256/256 or 1.5/1.0M, assuming basic > residential service. > > So if you currently have the DSL Deluxe 640/256 service at $31.95 > (Qwest side), you call them and switch to Qwest Choice Deluxe at > $28/month and get more speed! > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:10, Tom Penney wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:21, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > I did some tests FTPing from Sihope and am able to get pretty close > > > to what I would execpt on a 1.5M ATM DSL. > > > > I'm very jealous. What are you paying for 1.5M service? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 3 10:28:00 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078331278.6924.70.camel@unixws1> I think that is a promotion. My notes had the $99 activation fee for new subscribers waived through 2/27/04 - but it's likely they extended it, as they often do. I also had notes on a 2nd promotion to waive the $9.99 speed change fee, through 5/28/04 (to switch from $31.95 DSL Deluxe to $28 Choice Deluxe, for instance). I don't really handle the DSL subscriber-side stuff here, we ordered about 2500 Jango Fett clones that are dedicated to just keeping up with Qwest's promotion changes (and some of them do collections) "Who is it?" "UNICEF" "Oh, okay." *BLAM* "I will let you keep your remaining 3 limbs if you would be so kind as to pay this past due balance" NO ONE argues with the Jango clones. Works wonders. /me is in a silly mood today On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 10:02, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > > New DSL tarrif (pending FCC approval 28-Feb-04) is DSL service > > > without phone service (well, without dialtone). $33/month plus ISP > > > charge, the "Deluxe" 1.5M service only, $99 install. Address > > > loop-qual process (no phone number). > > I don't recall seeing anyone else say this, but Qwest has an advert on > their small business qwest choice dsl deluxe information page that says > you can get 1 cent activation, so no $99 install (at least I assume > these are the same things.) > > It doesn't say anything about whether you have to be a new subscriber or > not, though. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Mar 3 10:50:38 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:13:48 -0600 (CST) > From: Munir Nassar > a RAM drive _may_ work, but iirc dos/windows does not let you mount > drives within other drives. > > (mount x: c:\xdrive does not work) It does in Windows XP... of course not with that syntax. You use the computer manager tool to mount a partition into any empty folder. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 3 10:50:17 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proposed TCLUG Bug Squashing Party Message-ID: <20040303165017.GB16897@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Mar 3 12:36:01 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078330166.6924.56.camel@unixws1> References: <1078330166.6924.56.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <1078338961.28751.43.camel@lotsa> Awesome I just upgraded from 256k service. Thanks! - Tom On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 10:09, Adam Maloney wrote: > Choice Deluxe is the 1.5/1.0M option. I'm not sure what they're calling > the service w/o the phoneline, but everyone else is calling it "naked" > DSL (heh - DSL does Dallas). Maybe you can call your Qwest rep and ask > them if you can cancel your phone service and keep the DSL, since they > now have that as a tariff'd product? They didn't send us any details on > the procedure, just the notice that it was going to be available. > > You can probably work directly with VISI to get everything done, as they > should be able to place the necessary orders with Qwest on your behalf. > Or you can work solely with Qwest. The ISP end doesn't care whether > there's dialtone service or not. And if you upgrade to the Choice > Deluxe service, the ISP will get a notice from Qwest with the new > speeds, so they can make any necessary changes on their side to support > it (move you to the correct ATM vc-class, for instance, if needed). > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:55, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > Is Qwest Choice Deluxe what they're calling the a la carte DSL service? > > We have DSL through visi at work but I'm going to get them to switch > > over, but I've pretty much got to write step-by-step instructions, as > > it'll probably be a manager or accountant of some sort making the > > switch. > > > > Will this person have to contact visi as well? > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:43 AM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business > > > > > > $28/month to Qwest. Don't tell anyone, but since I work for Sihope I > > get the ISP service for free (shhh!) Normals would pay $19.95/month for > > the ISP service at either 256/256 or 1.5/1.0M, assuming basic > > residential service. > > > > So if you currently have the DSL Deluxe 640/256 service at $31.95 > > (Qwest side), you call them and switch to Qwest Choice Deluxe at > > $28/month and get more speed! > > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:10, Tom Penney wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:21, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > I did some tests FTPing from Sihope and am able to get pretty close > > > > to what I would execpt on a 1.5M ATM DSL. > > > > > > I'm very jealous. What are you paying for 1.5M service? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Wed Mar 3 13:00:09 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <40457A97.5060807@DawnAndJohn.net> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <40457A97.5060807@DawnAndJohn.net> Message-ID: <20040303190009.GB4187@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:26:31AM -0600, John Ford wrote: > On 3/2/2004 11:27 PM Mark Courtney wrote: > > >I'd like to thank Mr. Adam Maloney for this valuable info. I called qwest > >and did the old switcheroo, dropped the phone number that never gets used > >(treos rock), upgraded to the 1.5 line, and I'm gonna be saving some > >dough. They're even sending me a new Actiontec to boot (for free). They > >claim that the Cisco 678 won't handle the 1.5 line. Does anybody know if > >this is true? > > > > > >Thanks again, Adam. > > No, it is *not* true. Many Qwest cust service (sales) folks will insist > that you *have* to get their Actiontec. They don't know any better. I've > seen newsgroup posts from at least a dozen folks in this area (mpls/stp) > who have a 678 training at 1536/1024 with the new DSL service. As of > tomorrow, I'll be another one. This is on a regular Qwest line with DSL. > I assume it's the same for the "naked DSL" option. > -- > jcf > I suppose I'm SOL with my Cisco 675? -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net --- The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously. -- Hubert Humphrey _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 3 13:19:28 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <20040303190009.GB4187@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <40457A97.5060807@DawnAndJohn.net> <20040303190009.GB4187@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <1078341566.6924.120.camel@unixws1> Actually Qwest says existing CAP customers can qualify for the faster speeds - but if you order it and you don't, they will let you move to DMT (but you'd have to get a new modem). I did hear at one point that someone was able to get a 678 DMT image to work on the 675 by compressing it - but it sounded complicated and dangerous, and you're probably better off just dropping the $99 on an actiontec. On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 13:00, James Kaufman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:26:31AM -0600, John Ford wrote: > > On 3/2/2004 11:27 PM Mark Courtney wrote: > > > > >I'd like to thank Mr. Adam Maloney for this valuable info. I called qwest > > >and did the old switcheroo, dropped the phone number that never gets used > > >(treos rock), upgraded to the 1.5 line, and I'm gonna be saving some > > >dough. They're even sending me a new Actiontec to boot (for free). They > > >claim that the Cisco 678 won't handle the 1.5 line. Does anybody know if > > >this is true? > > > > > > > > >Thanks again, Adam. > > > > No, it is *not* true. Many Qwest cust service (sales) folks will insist > > that you *have* to get their Actiontec. They don't know any better. I've > > seen newsgroup posts from at least a dozen folks in this area (mpls/stp) > > who have a 678 training at 1536/1024 with the new DSL service. As of > > tomorrow, I'll be another one. This is on a regular Qwest line with DSL. > > I assume it's the same for the "naked DSL" option. > > -- > > jcf > > > > I suppose I'm SOL with my Cisco 675? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 3 13:59:42 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078341566.6924.120.camel@unixws1> References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <40457A97.5060807@DawnAndJohn.net> <20040303190009.GB4187@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <1078341566.6924.120.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > I did hear at one point that someone was able to get a 678 DMT image to > work on the 675 by compressing it - but it sounded complicated and > dangerous, and you're probably better off just dropping the $99 on an > actiontec. acording to some random guy on the intarweb.net the 675 is physically incapable of doing dmt: http://zerospace.org/c675/ though i have not been able to find more information either way -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Wed Mar 3 14:15:47 2004 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078338961.28751.43.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <200403032015.i23KFjX22059@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> So who did you contact to change your service Qwest or your ISP? Jason Lanpher Network Administrator jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com http://www.stealthnetworking.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Tom Penney Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:36 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business Awesome I just upgraded from 256k service. Thanks! - Tom On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 10:09, Adam Maloney wrote: > Choice Deluxe is the 1.5/1.0M option. I'm not sure what they're calling > the service w/o the phoneline, but everyone else is calling it "naked" > DSL (heh - DSL does Dallas). Maybe you can call your Qwest rep and ask > them if you can cancel your phone service and keep the DSL, since they > now have that as a tariff'd product? They didn't send us any details on > the procedure, just the notice that it was going to be available. > > You can probably work directly with VISI to get everything done, as they > should be able to place the necessary orders with Qwest on your behalf. > Or you can work solely with Qwest. The ISP end doesn't care whether > there's dialtone service or not. And if you upgrade to the Choice > Deluxe service, the ISP will get a notice from Qwest with the new > speeds, so they can make any necessary changes on their side to support > it (move you to the correct ATM vc-class, for instance, if needed). > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:55, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > Is Qwest Choice Deluxe what they're calling the a la carte DSL service? > > We have DSL through visi at work but I'm going to get them to switch > > over, but I've pretty much got to write step-by-step instructions, as > > it'll probably be a manager or accountant of some sort making the > > switch. > > > > Will this person have to contact visi as well? > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:43 AM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business > > > > > > $28/month to Qwest. Don't tell anyone, but since I work for Sihope I > > get the ISP service for free (shhh!) Normals would pay $19.95/month for > > the ISP service at either 256/256 or 1.5/1.0M, assuming basic > > residential service. > > > > So if you currently have the DSL Deluxe 640/256 service at $31.95 > > (Qwest side), you call them and switch to Qwest Choice Deluxe at > > $28/month and get more speed! > > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:10, Tom Penney wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:21, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > I did some tests FTPing from Sihope and am able to get pretty close > > > > to what I would execpt on a 1.5M ATM DSL. > > > > > > I'm very jealous. What are you paying for 1.5M service? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Wed Mar 3 14:27:26 2004 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078341566.6924.120.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <200403032027.i23KROX22121@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> So is there any upgrading required to your DSL modem say if you had a Cisco 678? Jason Lanpher Network Administrator jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com http://www.stealthnetworking.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:19 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business Actually Qwest says existing CAP customers can qualify for the faster speeds - but if you order it and you don't, they will let you move to DMT (but you'd have to get a new modem). I did hear at one point that someone was able to get a 678 DMT image to work on the 675 by compressing it - but it sounded complicated and dangerous, and you're probably better off just dropping the $99 on an actiontec. On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 13:00, James Kaufman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:26:31AM -0600, John Ford wrote: > > On 3/2/2004 11:27 PM Mark Courtney wrote: > > > > >I'd like to thank Mr. Adam Maloney for this valuable info. I called qwest > > >and did the old switcheroo, dropped the phone number that never gets used > > >(treos rock), upgraded to the 1.5 line, and I'm gonna be saving some > > >dough. They're even sending me a new Actiontec to boot (for free). They > > >claim that the Cisco 678 won't handle the 1.5 line. Does anybody know if > > >this is true? > > > > > > > > >Thanks again, Adam. > > > > No, it is *not* true. Many Qwest cust service (sales) folks will insist > > that you *have* to get their Actiontec. They don't know any better. I've > > seen newsgroup posts from at least a dozen folks in this area (mpls/stp) > > who have a 678 training at 1536/1024 with the new DSL service. As of > > tomorrow, I'll be another one. This is on a regular Qwest line with DSL. > > I assume it's the same for the "naked DSL" option. > > -- > > jcf > > > > I suppose I'm SOL with my Cisco 675? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Mar 3 14:47:34 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <200403032015.i23KFjX22059@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> References: <200403032015.i23KFjX22059@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> Message-ID: <1078346854.28751.57.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:15, Jason Lanpher wrote: > So who did you contact to change your service Qwest or your ISP? Both. I called my ISP first. Visi has nothing on their web site about this, at least not that I could find. I asked about the 1.5m "Choice Deluxe" service. It's $19.95/ month to visi. and $28/month to qwest. Visi took placed my order and gave me a number for quest. I Called qwest, 5 days it will be up. The person at qwest was a little confused, she thought she was screwing up my order because she thought it should cost more :-), I told her it was suppose to be $28/ month, That seemed to put her at ease enough to place the order. - Tom > > Jason Lanpher > > Network Administrator > > jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com > > http://www.stealthnetworking.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Tom Penney > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:36 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business > > Awesome I just upgraded from 256k service. Thanks! > > - Tom > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 10:09, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Choice Deluxe is the 1.5/1.0M option. I'm not sure what they're calling > > the service w/o the phoneline, but everyone else is calling it "naked" > > DSL (heh - DSL does Dallas). Maybe you can call your Qwest rep and ask > > them if you can cancel your phone service and keep the DSL, since they > > now have that as a tariff'd product? They didn't send us any details on > > the procedure, just the notice that it was going to be available. > > > > You can probably work directly with VISI to get everything done, as they > > should be able to place the necessary orders with Qwest on your behalf. > > Or you can work solely with Qwest. The ISP end doesn't care whether > > there's dialtone service or not. And if you upgrade to the Choice > > Deluxe service, the ISP will get a notice from Qwest with the new > > speeds, so they can make any necessary changes on their side to support > > it (move you to the correct ATM vc-class, for instance, if needed). > > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:55, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > > Is Qwest Choice Deluxe what they're calling the a la carte DSL service? > > > We have DSL through visi at work but I'm going to get them to switch > > > over, but I've pretty much got to write step-by-step instructions, as > > > it'll probably be a manager or accountant of some sort making the > > > switch. > > > > > > Will this person have to contact visi as well? > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:43 AM > > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business > > > > > > > > > $28/month to Qwest. Don't tell anyone, but since I work for Sihope I > > > get the ISP service for free (shhh!) Normals would pay $19.95/month for > > > the ISP service at either 256/256 or 1.5/1.0M, assuming basic > > > residential service. > > > > > > So if you currently have the DSL Deluxe 640/256 service at $31.95 > > > (Qwest side), you call them and switch to Qwest Choice Deluxe at > > > $28/month and get more speed! > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:10, Tom Penney wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:21, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > I did some tests FTPing from Sihope and am able to get pretty close > > > > > to what I would execpt on a 1.5M ATM DSL. > > > > > > > > I'm very jealous. What are you paying for 1.5M service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Mar 3 15:03:56 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078346854.28751.57.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: I spoke with two people at Qwest today. The first one had a clue, with a straight answer. Then I called back to get an email documenting that (managers...) and got a lady who had no clue. She thought it was $60/mo, until I walked her to Qwest's site to show her that's the cost of the modem. /me smacks forehead on table -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Tom Penney Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 2:48 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:15, Jason Lanpher wrote: > So who did you contact to change your service Qwest or your ISP? Both. I called my ISP first. Visi has nothing on their web site about this, at least not that I could find. I asked about the 1.5m "Choice Deluxe" service. It's $19.95/ month to visi. and $28/month to qwest. Visi took placed my order and gave me a number for quest. I Called qwest, 5 days it will be up. The person at qwest was a little confused, she thought she was screwing up my order because she thought it should cost more :-), I told her it was suppose to be $28/ month, That seemed to put her at ease enough to place the order. - Tom > > Jason Lanpher > > Network Administrator > > jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com > > http://www.stealthnetworking.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Tom Penney > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:36 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business > > Awesome I just upgraded from 256k service. Thanks! > > - Tom > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 10:09, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Choice Deluxe is the 1.5/1.0M option. I'm not sure what they're > > calling the service w/o the phoneline, but everyone else is calling > > it "naked" DSL (heh - DSL does Dallas). Maybe you can call your > > Qwest rep and ask them if you can cancel your phone service and keep > > the DSL, since they now have that as a tariff'd product? They > > didn't send us any details on the procedure, just the notice that it > > was going to be available. > > > > You can probably work directly with VISI to get everything done, as > > they should be able to place the necessary orders with Qwest on your > > behalf. Or you can work solely with Qwest. The ISP end doesn't care > > whether there's dialtone service or not. And if you upgrade to the > > Choice Deluxe service, the ISP will get a notice from Qwest with the > > new speeds, so they can make any necessary changes on their side to > > support it (move you to the correct ATM vc-class, for instance, if > > needed). > > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:55, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > > Is Qwest Choice Deluxe what they're calling the a la carte DSL > > > service? We have DSL through visi at work but I'm going to get > > > them to switch over, but I've pretty much got to write > > > step-by-step instructions, as it'll probably be a manager or > > > accountant of some sort making the switch. > > > > > > Will this person have to contact visi as well? > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Adam Maloney > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:43 AM > > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business > > > > > > > > > $28/month to Qwest. Don't tell anyone, but since I work for > > > Sihope I get the ISP service for free (shhh!) Normals would pay > > > $19.95/month for the ISP service at either 256/256 or 1.5/1.0M, > > > assuming basic residential service. > > > > > > So if you currently have the DSL Deluxe 640/256 service at $31.95 > > > (Qwest side), you call them and switch to Qwest Choice Deluxe at > > > $28/month and get more speed! > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:10, Tom Penney wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:21, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > I did some tests FTPing from Sihope and am able to get pretty > > > > > close > > > > > to what I would execpt on a 1.5M ATM DSL. > > > > > > > > I'm very jealous. What are you paying for 1.5M service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Mar 3 15:37:04 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unpacking InstallShield files In-Reply-To: References: <200403030424.i234OXUr003133@alpha.twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <1078349824.30112.13446.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Mar 3 16:03:09 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: ; from hoff0438@umn.edu on Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 03:03:56PM -0600 References: <1078346854.28751.57.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040303160309.A23088@thinkunix.net> John T. Hoffoss wrote: > I spoke with two people at Qwest today. The first one had a clue, with a > straight answer. Then I called back to get an email documenting that > (managers...) and got a lady who had no clue. She thought it was $60/mo, > until I walked her to Qwest's site to show her that's the cost of the > modem. do you have the URL for the pricing info? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 3 16:25:22 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <40462C38.2060200@info9.net> References: <40462C38.2060200@info9.net> Message-ID: <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 3 16:33:53 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> References: <40462C38.2060200@info9.net> <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040303223353.GG16897@wookimus.net> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 04:25:22PM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > In this case, there are no DUG's around. However, I am very reticent > to create one. I don't feel that splitting up the s/reticent/reluctant/ -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Mar 3 17:02:53 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? Message-ID: >>> chewie@wookimus.net 03/03/04 04:25PM >>> >AFIACT, we currently don't have any structure in place for SIG's and >wanted to solicit feedback from the list. Would SIG's be supported? If >so, what process should we use to create and maintain the SIG's? SIGs sound interesting to me, but I don't know if I would participate in one. Maybe I would, but regardless I would not be against the idea. >Slightly off topic, would it be a good idea to create a tclug wiki? Yes. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Wed Mar 3 17:30:11 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> References: <40462C38.2060200@info9.net> <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <40466A83.2070306@info9.net> Chad Walstrom wrote: > In response to the TCLUG BSP post, I've been asked whether or not there > were any local Debian Users Groups. My response was to suggest a Debian > SIG (Special Interest Group) for TCLUG. I'd really like to participate in a debian sig... there's a lot of best practices I'd like to learn about: - installation techniques - choosing a version and mix-ins (apt-pinning) - basic networking (setting up interfaces w/iptables) - making your own packages and repositories - how to do customizations like "compile the gatos ati.2 driver for XFree86 4.3.0" leveraging as much of the existing infrastructure as possible (i.e. Branden's subversion repository) Regards, --Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Mar 3 17:33:54 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 04:25:22PM -0600 References: <40462C38.2060200@info9.net> <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040303173354.A14668@thinkunix.net> Chad Walstrom wrote: > In response to the TCLUG BSP post, I've been asked whether or not there > were any local Debian Users Groups. My response was to suggest a Debian > SIG (Special Interest Group) for TCLUG. I think SIG's would be a good idea and won't hurt (fragment) TCLUG. > Slightly off topic, would it be a good idea to create a tclug wiki? also agree with the wiki idea. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Wed Mar 3 17:49:44 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <20040303173354.A14668@thinkunix.net> References: <40462C38.2060200@info9.net> <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> <20040303173354.A14668@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040303234944.GB23736@therub.org> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 05:33:54PM -0600, Scot Jenkins wrote: > also agree with the wiki idea. I think a wiki would be rad. I saved the "hacker music" thread - and that would make a great wiki page - tclug music preferences (Yes, i'm volunteering to make the page) :) Other than that, it's a great way to get some useful content going in terms of faqs, how-tos, etc. dan > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 3 17:56:35 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > In response to the TCLUG BSP post, I've been asked whether or not there > were any local Debian Users Groups. My response was to suggest a Debian > SIG (Special Interest Group) for TCLUG. I like the idea of Special Interest Groups within the TCLUG. It's been suggested before, but it never really went anywhere. > AFIACT, we currently don't have any structure in place for SIG's and > wanted to solicit feedback from the list. Would SIG's be supported? If > so, what process should we use to create and maintain the SIG's? Oh yeah. That's probably why it never went anywhere. :) > Slightly off topic, would it be a good idea to create a tclug wiki? I don't see why not. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Wed Mar 3 11:10:02 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <40466A83.2070306@info9.net> References: <40462C38.2060200@info9.net> <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> <40466A83.2070306@info9.net> Message-ID: <4046116A.1070306@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Actually I coul appreciate these practices. My school district (272) is formerly redhat-happy, and now is moving toward SuSe happy (due to our tie-ins with Novell products). But I could probably get my debianized foot in the door with some special projects and doing it right and saying that the SIG is my support group would be great ;) >I'd really like to participate in a debian sig... there's a lot >of best practices I'd like to learn about: >- installation techniques >- choosing a version and mix-ins (apt-pinning) >- basic networking (setting up interfaces w/iptables) >- making your own packages and repositories >- how to do customizations like "compile the gatos ati.2 driver > for XFree86 4.3.0" leveraging as much of the existing infrastructure > as possible (i.e. Branden's subversion repository) > >Regards, > >--Tom > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 3 18:14:18 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: References: <1077719410.19962.33.camel@unixws1> <32782.192.168.2.218.1078291651.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <40457A97.5060807@DawnAndJohn.net> <20040303190009.GB4187@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <1078341566.6924.120.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <1078359257.6924.153.camel@unixws1> That's entirely possible - all I have is heresy, I can't remember where I heard about it. On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 13:59, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > I did hear at one point that someone was able to get a 678 DMT image to > > work on the 675 by compressing it - but it sounded complicated and > > dangerous, and you're probably better off just dropping the $99 on an > > actiontec. > > acording to some random guy on the intarweb.net the 675 is physically > incapable of doing dmt: > http://zerospace.org/c675/ > > though i have not been able to find more information either way _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net Wed Mar 3 18:56:10 2004 From: zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net (John Ford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <20040303160309.A23088@thinkunix.net> References: <1078346854.28751.57.camel@lotsa> <20040303160309.A23088@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <40467EAA.1080608@DawnAndJohn.net> On 3/3/2004 4:03 PM Scot Jenkins wrote: > do you have the URL for the pricing info? I'm not sure about naked DSL, but here's some info for DSL on a "normal" Qwest phone line. http://www.qwest.com/residential/products/dsl give the basic price info, with and without MSN as your ISP. More info at https://apps.qwest.com/qhost/content/downloads/1.5M_FAQ_2.6.04.doc Just as an example, I had a CAP line (with POTS, not "naked DSL") with a Cisco 675 modem. I ordered the new 1.5M service on 02/20, told them I don't need an Actiontec modem, and got one work order due on 02/25. On 02/25 I called them to see why it hadn't happened yet. They said that they didn't do anything because my order didn't say whether I was getting a new (Actiontec) modem or not. They re-did the order, which ended up creating two new orders due on 03/03. This morning my DSL was down. I set up my Cisco 678 (acquired via Ebay, $50) and it works fine. A few notes, based on personal experience plus what I've read on VISI.COM's newsgroup. As you'll see, I'm most familiar with Cisco 675 and 678 DSL modems: As others have pointed out, when you call Qwest, you may or may not reach someone who has a clue. It's best if you figure out ahead of time exactly what needs to happen. If you have CAP, you need two Qwest work orders. One to switch from CAP to DMT, one for the speed change. They should both have the same due date. Usually the change occurs in early a.m., with an hour or so downtime. Cisco 675 runs only CAP, can't be used with Qwest's new offer. Cisco 678 can run either CAP or DMT, depending on the code you load into its flash memory. No longer manufactured, but you can pick them up on Ebay (price is going up along with the demand from folks switching from CAP to DMT). Cisco 678 does *NOT* have a built-in line filter, like the Cisco 675. If you plug a phone into the "phone" jack on a 678, you need to have a separate line filter between the 678 and the phone. Although Qwest says the "up" speed is 896Kbps, it can range anywhere from 256 to 1024 (yes, 1024) depending mainly on your distance from the CO. The "down" speed will probably be 1536Kbps, but not guaranteed. You do *NOT* need an Actiontec modem. A Cisco 678 *WILL* work. A Zoom X3/X4/X5 will work. A Speedstream 5660 will work. Some Qwest folks will insist you need an Actiontec. Ask to talk to a supervisor, or get transferred to DSL support. Hang up and call them again (to get a different rep) if you have to. If you now have a DMT line and a Cisco 678, all you'll need to do after the upgrade is retrain your modem. In ENABLED mode, issue the "set int wan0 retrain" command. Or, reboot the modem. You don't need a new modem, you shouldn't even need to change its configuration. If you're running an OLD version of CBOS, you may want to get version 2.4.6, circa June 2002. My ISP, VISI, requests that you notify them when you get an order number and due date from Qwest. I don't know what, if anything, they need to change. So far, my ISP had not mentioned any price change on their end. Most of the problems I've heard about are customers who can't get a Qwest rep on the phone that knows how to put the order in correctly, or they don't think the line qualifies (these are customers who already *have* DSL!), or the rep flat out refuses to put in an order without an Actiontec. If you don't need their Actiontec modem, make sure that the work order says so. Get the rep's name and ID number, get the order number(s) and check on them a day or two later to make sure they're still on track. Godspeed, DSLers! jcf -- Any information contained herein is correct to the best of my knowledge. I could be wrong. May contain typos. Your mileage may vary. Windows sucks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Wed Mar 3 19:27:56 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian network connectivity issue In-Reply-To: <404203E1.8000506@visi.com> Message-ID: Thanks all for the help. I put in a new nic. A realtek of some sort. Now my network connection is live without pause. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Mar 3 20:22:07 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> I agree and I think it would be good to have sub-lug's for the most used distributions. But I think you loose some skill sets when you have a question about Linux Kernel. I think go-to-groups would be the way to. Keep the list but add forums for the most used distributions Red Hat/Fedora SuSe/Novell/Ximian Debian Slackware etc... Once the groups are together each could sponsor install feast and do presentations. I thought of doing dog and pony show at area malls. Each group could do a show at a different place. Sort of a Twin Cities Linux Day event. My wife is in property management and has great contacts with area mall management. I would be willing to bet a Frosty we could get support from Red Hat and Novell. Just a thought, Sam. Jima wrote: >On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > >>In response to the TCLUG BSP post, I've been asked whether or not there >>were any local Debian Users Groups. My response was to suggest a Debian >>SIG (Special Interest Group) for TCLUG. >> >> > > I like the idea of Special Interest Groups within the TCLUG. It's been >suggested before, but it never really went anywhere. > > > >>AFIACT, we currently don't have any structure in place for SIG's and >>wanted to solicit feedback from the list. Would SIG's be supported? If >>so, what process should we use to create and maintain the SIG's? >> >> > > Oh yeah. That's probably why it never went anywhere. :) > > > >>Slightly off topic, would it be a good idea to create a tclug wiki? >> >> > > I don't see why not. > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Mar 3 20:22:15 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> References: <40462C38.2060200@info9.net> <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040304022215.GA4063@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 04:25:22PM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > In response to the TCLUG BSP post, I've been asked whether or not there > were any local Debian Users Groups. My response was to suggest a Debian > SIG (Special Interest Group) for TCLUG. [snip] > Slightly off topic, would it be a good idea to create a tclug wiki? sig++, wiki++ -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Mar 3 22:40:53 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <40467EAA.1080608@DawnAndJohn.net> References: <1078346854.28751.57.camel@lotsa> <20040303160309.A23088@thinkunix.net> <40467EAA.1080608@DawnAndJohn.net> Message-ID: <20040304044053.GG380@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 3 22:43:49 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> OK, so it looks like SIG's will be well received by TCLUG. Currently, we have 525 people listed on the TCLUG membership page. This may not reflect the active participation of the group, but it's a good metric to start from. We're big! It's time for TCLUG SIG's! In truth, we already have an informal SIG, the tclug-devel list, or more formally now, the Developer's SIG. Since I started the ball rolling, and I'm trying to organize the TCLUG BSP, I'll volunteer to Chair the Debian SIG. IMPLEMENTATION DETAIL: THE LIST =============================== I remember reading once that Mailman 2.1.x had topic filters. Here's the description from the NEWS file: - Topic Filters o A new feature has been added called "Topic Filters". A list administrator can create topics, which are essentially regular expression matches against Subject: and Keyword: headers (including such pseudo-headers if they appear in the first few lines of the body of a message). List members can then `subscribe' to various topics, which allows them to filter out any messages that don't match a topic, or to filter out any message that does match a topic. This can be useful for high volume lists where not everyone will be interested in every message. This work was sponsored by Control.com I think this would work well and coincide with Sam's suggestion of forums. I did find at least one website[1] that describes using this feature of Mailman[2]. In practice, we should be able to specify a keyword in the "Subject:" or "Keywords:" headers. List members can then "subscribe" to certain topic filters. For example, we typically use OT or OFF-TOPIC to signify non-Linux topics. These filters would allow users to block these posts. IMPLEMENTATION DETAIL: THE WEBSITE ================================== I suppose we should have a SIG's page listing each SIG, their Chairs and officers, etc. References on topics to subscribe to... Appropriate Links of Interest for the SIG. IMPLEMENTATION DETAIL: TCLUG FORMALIZATION ========================================== Should we formalize TCLUG a bit? Add Official Officer Positions? ;-) President, President-Elect, Secretary, Member-at-Large? Should we constitutionalize things loosely around these positions, describing election procedures? i.e. Using Debian's Condorcet election system? Etc. (NOTE: I am not proposing TCLUG as an NPO. Let's avoid that for a while.) References ========== 1. http://www.esosoft.com/support/mailinglist/mailman/topics.html 2. http://www.list.org -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 3 22:53:16 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proposed TCLUG Bug Squashing Party In-Reply-To: <20040303165017.GB16897@wookimus.net> References: <20040303165017.GB16897@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040304045316.GJ16897@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Mar 3 23:40:10 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Wiki (was: Debian SIG? SIGs in general?) In-Reply-To: <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> References: <40462C38.2060200@info9.net> <20040303222522.GF16897@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1078378810.30121.13969.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net Thu Mar 4 00:04:06 2004 From: zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net (John Ford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <20040304044053.GG380@iucha.net> References: <1078346854.28751.57.camel@lotsa> <20040303160309.A23088@thinkunix.net> <40467EAA.1080608@DawnAndJohn.net> <20040304044053.GG380@iucha.net> Message-ID: <4046C6D6.8040204@DawnAndJohn.net> On 3/3/2004 10:40 PM Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 06:56:10PM -0600, John Ford wrote: > >> You do *NOT* need an Actiontec modem. A Cisco 678 *WILL* work. >> A Zoom X3/X4/X5 will work. A Speedstream 5660 will work. >> Some Qwest folks will insist you need an Actiontec. Ask to >> talk to a supervisor, or get transferred to DSL support. >> Hang up and call them again (to get a different rep) if you >> have to. > > [snip] > >>Most of the problems I've heard about are customers who can't get a >>Qwest rep on the phone that knows how to put the order in correctly, or >>they don't think the line qualifies (these are customers who already >>*have* DSL!), or the rep flat out refuses to put in an order without an >>Actiontec. If you don't need their Actiontec modem, make sure that the >>work order says so. Get the rep's name and ID number, get the order >>number(s) and check on them a day or two later to make sure they're >>still on track. > > > What's so bad about the Actiontec modems? All I can give you is hear-say, that some folks have had better luck (ability to problem-solve, sophisticated configuration options) with Cisco than Actiontec modems. My conclusion (remember, I've only used Cisco) is that for an "average" DSL user, Actiontec is dandy. It has an easy-to-use web-based config interface. Folks who run their own web servers, etc. probably would want to pay extra bucks for a Cisco 678 (or even higher-end gear from Cisco or other manufacturers). > I have CAP/Cisco678. > > I want the faster speed, but I don't want to pay for a 678 if it's not > absolutely necessary. (??) If you _have_ a Cisco 678, you can use it for the 1.5M DMT line without paying anything to anyone. You just have to download DMT code into it, and configure it. Did you mean that you have a Cisco 675, in which case you'd have to get something that supports DMT? I got a Cisco 678 off Ebay for $50 (included shipping) 2-3 weeks ago. > My Cisco is connected to the wan port of my wireless switch/router. I don't do wireless, so I have no idea whether that's a consideration. > Thank you, > florin jcf -- Any information contained herein is correct to the best of my knowledge. I could be wrong. May contain typos. Your mileage may vary. Windows sucks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Mar 4 00:28:45 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <4046C6D6.8040204@DawnAndJohn.net> References: <1078346854.28751.57.camel@lotsa> <20040303160309.A23088@thinkunix.net> <40467EAA.1080608@DawnAndJohn.net> <20040304044053.GG380@iucha.net> <4046C6D6.8040204@DawnAndJohn.net> Message-ID: <20040304062845.GH380@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Mar 4 08:00:42 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078338961.28751.43.camel@lotsa> References: <1078330166.6924.56.camel@unixws1> <1078338961.28751.43.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040304140042.GI380@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjbird at clavdivs.org Thu Mar 4 08:06:19 2004 From: mjbird at clavdivs.org (Michael J. Bird) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? Message-ID: <010f01c401f1$e18c9750$8463ef9d@clavdivs.org> I think there is enough difference in doing system administration between RH and D/G that a SIG would keep people from one being bored by topics of the other and/or reduce the "But it's so much easier in MY distro" comments. Yes, I think a D/G SIG would be a Good Thing. My $0.02. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Mar 4 08:13:09 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <40467EAA.1080608@DawnAndJohn.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Ford > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 6:56 PM > To: Scot Jenkins; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business > My ISP, VISI, requests that you notify them when you get an > order number and due date from Qwest. I don't know what, > if anything, they need to change. So far, my ISP had not > mentioned any price change on their end. When I asked Visi if I had to contact them after changing, they said no. I guess I'll have to double-check that. Good information in that message. Thanks! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Mar 4 08:24:50 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <20040304140042.GI380@iucha.net> References: <1078330166.6924.56.camel@unixws1> <1078338961.28751.43.camel@lotsa> <20040304140042.GI380@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1078410289.28751.66.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 08:00, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:36:01PM -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > > Awesome I just upgraded from 256k service. Thanks! > > I just called in today and the 1.5Mbs service is not available in my > area ;) I live in Shoreview/55126. > > What areas are upgraded to 1.5? I'm in Minnetonka close to hwy 7 & 494. I'm not going to get too excited until the service is actually up. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Mar 4 08:41:09 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Truwtin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <010f01c401f1$e18c9750$8463ef9d@clavdivs.org> References: <010f01c401f1$e18c9750$8463ef9d@clavdivs.org> Message-ID: <20040304084109.00002260@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:06:19 -0600 "Michael J. Bird" wrote: > I think there is enough difference in doing system administration > between RH and D/G that a SIG would keep people from one being bored > by topics of the other and/or reduce the "But it's so much easier in > MY distro" comments. > > Yes, I think a D/G SIG would be a Good Thing. > > My $0.02. I only have $0.01. I too would like a Debian SIG, but only if we don't forget about the Slackers! With Slackware not having a general mailing list, it'd be nice to have something local like a Slackware SIG. Thx, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Mar 4 08:43:09 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <20040304140042.GI380@iucha.net> References: <1078330166.6924.56.camel@unixws1> <1078338961.28751.43.camel@lotsa> <20040304140042.GI380@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1078411387.9371.46.camel@unixws1> Heh...shoreview. All DSL-deployed CO's should be capable of it, it's just a distance issue. My parents house is less than two miles from the Rice St. CO, and they qualified for the 7M service. They moved from 640/256 to 1.5/1.0M and it works great. So you might be too many wire-feet from Rice and 694. Also, some new and clarified information for the group. This is from Qwest's MegaCentral page (for ISP's) 2/24/04 Qwest is introducing DSL without a telephone line, often referred to as naked DSL or as Qwest refers to it Standalone DSL (You think they would file for a tarrif approval on a product called "Naked DSL", with Powell and the FCC coming right off of the whole Janet Jackson fiasco? I think not!) $33/month $99 activation (but see promo) 1.5M Choice DSL Deluxe service ONLY Address loop qual process DMT only I misunderstood the CAP/DMT thing in one of Qwest's FAQs. It sounds like you will need to switch to DMT...below is what I read and you can see how I might have mucked it up: "Will current CAP customers qualify for the up to 1.5M service? There is a limitation on the CAP DSLAMs. Current CAP customers may qualify for the new up to 1.5M speed (I went stupid after this line), however they will need to switch to the DMT service if they want to receive the new up to 1.5M service. They may purchase a DMT modem for $59.99 or rent a DMT modem at $3/month. Current CAP customers are not required to change to DMT if maintaining current service." So they said some CAP customers do qualify for 1.5M speed (the part I read). Then they said that those CAP customers that want to switch to Choice DSL Deluxe need to move to DMT (which I didn't read ) The CAP standard supports the speed no problem, but CAP has more of a distance limitation than DMT (more specifically, DMT allows greater speeds over longer distances because it can tolerate worse line conditions). On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 08:00, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:36:01PM -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > > Awesome I just upgraded from 256k service. Thanks! > > I just called in today and the 1.5Mbs service is not available in my > area ;) I live in Shoreview/55126. > > What areas are upgraded to 1.5? > > florin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Thu Mar 4 08:55:26 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <1078410289.28751.66.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: I am running Fedora Core1 and had an interesting attack show up in my logs. Someone tried to ssh running through the entire list of users. My question is how did they get that list of valid users? There is no evidence of simply trying random users - they knew every user. Is there something in Linux that would return a request for every user name? Is there something I should have turned off so that cannot happen again? I blocked their IP address in IPTables but they can find a way around that. And I would like to block anyone from trying something similar. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks All, Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Mar 4 08:31:56 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078410716.28751.71.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 08:13, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Ford > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 6:56 PM > > To: Scot Jenkins; TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business > > > > > My ISP, VISI, requests that you notify them when you get an > > order number and due date from Qwest. I don't know what, > > if anything, they need to change. So far, my ISP had not > > mentioned any price change on their end. > > When I asked Visi if I had to contact them after changing, they said no. > I guess I'll have to double-check that. When I talked to visi they said I could either place the order with visi now or wait until after I talked to qwest. I told them to go ahead and place the order. He said they would look for the change in 5 days. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Mar 4 08:53:03 2004 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Wiki (was: Debian SIG? SIGs in general?) In-Reply-To: <1078378810.30121.13969.camel@3po> Message-ID: There's a pretty good wiki product for zope that's I've played with a bit. It might be worth looking into. Jeff On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Mike Hicks wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 16:25, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > Slightly off topic, would it be a good idea to create a tclug wiki? > > I think there is a good level of interest for a wiki. Since I /greatly/ > prefer the free-form syntax used on Wikipedia and similar sites, I'd > recomend setting up software that can work that way. I figure that > people with lower levels of geekiness prefer to have free-form text > rather than WordsSlammedTogetherNastily. Actually, I'd almost want to > see a Twin Cities-wide wiki for anything and everything, but that would > probably just get messy. > > Anyway, I haven't played with much wiki software. I set up a simple > UseModWiki a while back, but I think that may be a little too > simplistic. It seems that I can fairly destructively delete files (it > appears that the whole history goes away, but I'm not sure). So I would > want software that avoids certain nasty things. I also like to see the > full history of sites. UseModWiki seems to want to delete old history > after a while. > > Like I said, I didn't play with much software (and I was restricted by > the fact I couldn't run a *SQL database on that particular system). Are > there suggestions on what works well? I know that wikis are becoming > popular all over the place, so it seems likely a few people have set > them up for other groups and possibly even work-related projects. > > Blah, blah, blah (I'm back) > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Mar 4 08:53:12 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <010f01c401f1$e18c9750$8463ef9d@clavdivs.org> References: <010f01c401f1$e18c9750$8463ef9d@clavdivs.org> Message-ID: <1078411991.28751.92.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 08:06, Michael J. Bird wrote: > I think there is enough difference in doing system administration between RH > and D/G that a SIG would keep people from one being bored by topics of the > other and/or reduce the "But it's so much easier in MY distro" comments. > > Yes, I think a D/G SIG would be a Good Thing. > > My $0.02. Yes the details of the administration is different but the general capabilities, problems, packages, etc. are the same. I've learned a lot from the Debian, gentoo, slack, etc, threads even though I'm mostly a RH guy and have nothing to add to those threads. I've also gotten extremely helpful advice from people who don't run RH. I plan to try to keep up with all the SIG's if I can. My fear is that people who can help will miss the post because they will only be reading one SIG. If the goal is to reduce the volume of posts how about moving the chat topics to a SIG or a Wiki. I enjoy reading about "Hacker-style music" and the like as much as anyone but only when I have spare time. The volume of truly on topic posts is not that great. My two cents... -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Mar 4 09:01:33 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Truwtin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Wiki (was: Debian SIG? SIGs in general?) In-Reply-To: References: <1078378810.30121.13969.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20040304090133.00006d32@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:53:03 -0600 (CST) jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > There's a pretty good wiki product for zope that's I've played with > a bit. It might be worth looking into. > > Jeff I can also host a Zope/Plone/ZWiki server if needed... Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Mar 4 09:06:35 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SMB? Finger? A Windows box with the same users? Is this a mail server? Does your mail server support the VRFY method? This could have allowed random user enumeration. There are vulnerabilities in certain Apache configurations that allow for user enumeration as well; when you go to domain.com/~realuser you get a 'permission deined' message, and domain.com/~fakeuser you get 'directory not accessible' or something. What is the box used for? Have you ever run nmap on it from outside? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Pastor > Doug Coats > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:55 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] Attack > > > I am running Fedora Core1 and had an interesting attack show > up in my logs. > > Someone tried to ssh running through the entire list of users. > > My question is how did they get that list of valid users? > There is no evidence of simply trying random users - they > knew every user. > > Is there something in Linux that would return a request for > every user name? > > Is there something I should have turned off so that cannot > happen again? > > I blocked their IP address in IPTables but they can find a > way around that. And I would like to block anyone from trying > something similar. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks All, > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Mar 4 09:23:33 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <20040304084109.00002260@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <010f01c401f1$e18c9750$8463ef9d@clavdivs.org> <20040304084109.00002260@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <1078413813.28751.99.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 08:41, Josh Truwtin wrote: > I too would like a Debian SIG, but only if we don't forget about the > Slackers! But forgetting about everyone else is ok? -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Thu Mar 4 09:27:11 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1252999411.20040304092711@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Thursday, March 4, 2004 @ 9:19:39 AM Central Standard Time Hello Again. Here is a nmap of 65.41.113.74 (heritageweb.org) Starting nmap 3.45 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2004-03-04 09:33 CST Interesting ports on user74.net692.mn.sprint-hsd.net (65.41.113.74): (The 1652 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: filtered) PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION 22/tcp open ssh OpenSSH 3.6.1p2 (protocol 1.99) 25/tcp open smtp? 80/tcp open http Apache httpd 2.0.48 ((Fedora)) 109/tcp open pop-2? 110/tcp open pop3 UW Imap pop3 server 2003.83rh 2 services unrecognized despite returning data. If you know the service/version, please submit the following fingerprints at http://www.insecure.org/cgi-bin/servicefp-submit.cgi : ==============NEXT SERVICE FINGERPRINT (SUBMIT INDIVIDUALLY)============== SF-Port25-TCP:V=3.45%D=3/4%Time=40474CD2%r(RTSPRequest,B8,"220\x20heritage SF:7\.heritageweb\.org\x20ESMTP\x20Sendmail\x208\.12\.10/8\.12\.10;\x20Thu SF:,\x204\x20Mar\x202004\x2009:30:22\x20-0600\r\n500\x205\.5\.1\x20Command SF:\x20unrecognized:\x20\"OPTIONS\x20/\x20RTSP/1\.0\"\r\n500\x205\.5\.1\x2 SF:0Command\x20unrecognized:\x20\"\"\r\n")%r(RPCCheck,5E,"220\x20heritage7 SF:\.heritageweb\.org\x20ESMTP\x20Sendmail\x208\.12\.10/8\.12\.10;\x20Thu, SF:\x204\x20Mar\x202004\x2009:30:26\x20-0600\r\n")%r(DNSStatusRequest,5E," SF:220\x20heritage7\.heritageweb\.org\x20ESMTP\x20Sendmail\x208\.12\.10/8\ SF:.12\.10;\x20Thu,\x204\x20Mar\x202004\x2009:30:37\x20-0600\r\n")%r(SSLSe SF:ssionReq,84,"220\x20heritage7\.heritageweb\.org\x20ESMTP\x20Sendmail\x2 SF:08\.12\.10/8\.12\.10;\x20Thu,\x204\x20Mar\x202004\x2009:30:44\x20-0600\ SF:r\n500\x205\.5\.1\x20Command\x20unrecognized:\x20\"\x16\x03\"\r\n")%r(S SF:MBProgNeg,5E,"220\x20heritage7\.heritageweb\.org\x20ESMTP\x20Sendmail\x SF:208\.12\.10/8\.12\.10;\x20Thu,\x204\x20Mar\x202004\x2009:30:49\x20-0600 SF:\r\n")%r(X11Probe,5E,"220\x20heritage7\.heritageweb\.org\x20ESMTP\x20Se SF:ndmail\x208\.12\.10/8\.12\.10;\x20Thu,\x204\x20Mar\x202004\x2009:30:55\ SF:x20-0600\r\n"); ==============NEXT SERVICE FINGERPRINT (SUBMIT INDIVIDUALLY)============== SF-Port109-TCP:V=3.45%D=3/4%Time=40474CB8%r(NULL,2A,"\+\x20POP2\x20heritag SF:e7\x20v2003\.66rh\x20server\x20ready\r\n")%r(GenericLines,45,"\+\x20POP SF:2\x20heritage7\x20v2003\.66rh\x20server\x20ready\r\n-\x20Missing\x20or\ SF:x20null\x20command\r\n")%r(GetRequest,54,"\+\x20POP2\x20heritage7\x20v2 SF:003\.66rh\x20server\x20ready\r\n-\x20Bogus\x20or\x20out\x20of\x20sequen SF:ce\x20command\x20-\x20GET\r\n")%r(HTTPOptions,58,"\+\x20POP2\x20heritag SF:e7\x20v2003\.66rh\x20server\x20ready\r\n-\x20Bogus\x20or\x20out\x20of\x SF:20sequence\x20command\x20-\x20OPTIONS\r\n")%r(RTSPRequest,58,"\+\x20POP SF:2\x20heritage7\x20v2003\.66rh\x20server\x20ready\r\n-\x20Bogus\x20or\x2 SF:0out\x20of\x20sequence\x20command\x20-\x20OPTIONS\r\n")%r(RPCCheck,2A," SF:\+\x20POP2\x20heritage7\x20v2003\.66rh\x20server\x20ready\r\n")%r(DNSVe SF:rsionBindReq,2A,"\+\x20POP2\x20heritage7\x20v2003\.66rh\x20server\x20re SF:ady\r\n")%r(DNSStatusRequest,2A,"\+\x20POP2\x20heritage7\x20v2003\.66rh SF:\x20server\x20ready\r\n")%r(Help,55,"\+\x20POP2\x20heritage7\x20v2003\. SF:66rh\x20server\x20ready\r\n-\x20Bogus\x20or\x20out\x20of\x20sequence\x2 SF:0command\x20-\x20HELP\r\n")%r(SSLSessionReq,43,"\+\x20POP2\x20heritage7 SF:\x20v2003\.66rh\x20server\x20ready\r\n-\x20Command\x20line\x20too\x20lo SF:ng\r\n")%r(SMBProgNeg,2A,"\+\x20POP2\x20heritage7\x20v2003\.66rh\x20ser SF:ver\x20ready\r\n")%r(X11Probe,2A,"\+\x20POP2\x20heritage7\x20v2003\.66r SF:h\x20server\x20ready\r\n")%r(LPDString,59,"\+\x20POP2\x20heritage7\x20v SF:2003\.66rh\x20server\x20ready\r\n-\x20Bogus\x20or\x20out\x20of\x20seque SF:nce\x20command\x20-\x20\x01DEFAULT\r\n"); Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 175.241 seconds root@b-o-b:~# Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com ********************************************************* Thursday, March 4, 2004, 9:06:35 AM, you wrote: JTH> SMB? Finger? A Windows box with the same users? Is this a mail server? JTH> Does your mail server support the VRFY method? This could have allowed JTH> random user enumeration. There are vulnerabilities in certain Apache JTH> configurations that allow for user enumeration as well; when you go to JTH> domain.com/~realuser you get a 'permission deined' message, and JTH> domain.com/~fakeuser you get 'directory not accessible' or something. JTH> What is the box used for? Have you ever run nmap on it from outside? >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Pastor >> Doug Coats >> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:55 AM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: [TCLUG] Attack >> >> >> I am running Fedora Core1 and had an interesting attack show >> up in my logs. >> >> Someone tried to ssh running through the entire list of users. >> >> My question is how did they get that list of valid users? >> There is no evidence of simply trying random users - they >> knew every user. >> >> Is there something in Linux that would return a request for >> every user name? >> >> Is there something I should have turned off so that cannot >> happen again? >> >> I blocked their IP address in IPTables but they can find a >> way around that. And I would like to block anyone from trying >> something similar. >> >> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks All, >> >> Doug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota JTH> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org JTH> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list JTH> _______________________________________________ JTH> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota JTH> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org JTH> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Mar 4 09:47:31 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Truwtin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <1078413813.28751.99.camel@lotsa> References: <010f01c401f1$e18c9750$8463ef9d@clavdivs.org> <20040304084109.00002260@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1078413813.28751.99.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040304094731.0000207c@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On 04 Mar 2004 09:23:33 -0600 Tom Penney wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 08:41, Josh Truwtin wrote: > > I too would like a Debian SIG, but only if we don't forget about > > the Slackers! > > But forgetting about everyone else is ok? Forgetting about who now? :) Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Mar 4 10:33:54 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078410716.28751.71.camel@lotsa> References: <1078410716.28751.71.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040304163354.GM380@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 10:51:24 2004 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO Message-ID: <20040304165124.70351.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, Ran into a problem today, wondering if anyone knows a solution. One of the guys at work has a laptop that had linux loaded on it a few years ago (using lilo, set to default boot to windows). Yesterday, he turned his computer on, it booted up to a blank screen, so he brought it in today, I tried booting it up, and the farthest I get is that it gets past the bios screen, goes to LILO, but all you see of the LILO prompt is "LI" and then it's just stuck. I'm thinking the MBR might have gotten corrupted. Does anyone know of a way to fix this problem? I'm assuming I need to boot up with a floppy, but have no idea on a good utility to use/etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Joel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Mar 4 10:47:42 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <20040304163354.GM380@iucha.net> References: <1078410716.28751.71.camel@lotsa> <20040304163354.GM380@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1078418862.28751.111.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 10:33, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 08:31:56AM -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > > > > My ISP, VISI, requests that you notify them when you get an > > > > order number and due date from Qwest. I don't know what, > > > > if anything, they need to change. So far, my ISP had not > > > > mentioned any price change on their end. > > > > > > When I asked Visi if I had to contact them after changing, they said no. > > > I guess I'll have to double-check that. > > > > When I talked to visi they said I could either place the order with visi > > now or wait until after I talked to qwest. I told them to go ahead and > > place the order. He said they would look for the change in 5 days. > > Who is your contact at visi? I have emailed support@ and they answered > that I need to talk to qwest directly as they have no authority to > request any changes to my services. > > florin I'm sorry, I was not very clear. I did also have to talk to qwest. I called visi sales @ 612.395.9090, I didn't get the name of the guy I spoke to. He said I first needed to contact qwest to get the ball rolling on the line. He gave me the option of making the change with visi while I was on the line rather than having to call back after I spoke with qwest. He then gave me the number to call qwest to order the line, 1.800.218.4443 press option 2 -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Thu Mar 4 11:10:17 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your input so far. A special thanks to B_o_B (I think) who has been diligently trying to hack me. :) SMB is on but not open to the public. Finger is on but not open to public It is an email and web server. The only VRFY message in the maillog is a rejection for B_o_B. domain.com/~username returns the same for valid and invalid users. B_o_B has passed along the nmap and the results look like they should - I think. Still wondering.... Doug -----Original Message----- From: John T. Hoffoss [mailto:hoff0438@umn.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:07 AM To: dcoats@heritagemail.org; 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Attack SMB? Finger? A Windows box with the same users? Is this a mail server? Does your mail server support the VRFY method? This could have allowed random user enumeration. There are vulnerabilities in certain Apache configurations that allow for user enumeration as well; when you go to domain.com/~realuser you get a 'permission deined' message, and domain.com/~fakeuser you get 'directory not accessible' or something. What is the box used for? Have you ever run nmap on it from outside? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Pastor > Doug Coats > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:55 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] Attack > > > I am running Fedora Core1 and had an interesting attack show > up in my logs. > > Someone tried to ssh running through the entire list of users. > > My question is how did they get that list of valid users? > There is no evidence of simply trying random users - they > knew every user. > > Is there something in Linux that would return a request for > every user name? > > Is there something I should have turned off so that cannot > happen again? > > I blocked their IP address in IPTables but they can find a > way around that. And I would like to block anyone from trying > something similar. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks All, > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Mar 4 11:09:23 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO In-Reply-To: <20040304165124.70351.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 3/4/04 10:51 AM, "Joel Dick" wrote: > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Here's a Web page that explains all the LILO error codes. Very handy. http://www.ipcop.org/1.3.0/en/install/html/LILO-errors.html -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Mar 4 11:24:28 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <1078413813.28751.99.camel@lotsa> References: <010f01c401f1$e18c9750$8463ef9d@clavdivs.org> <20040304084109.00002260@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <1078413813.28751.99.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040304172428.GK16897@wookimus.net> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 08:41, Josh Truwtin wrote: > I too would like a Debian SIG, but only if we don't forget about the > Slackers! On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 09:23:33AM -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > But forgetting about everyone else is ok? Now, now. ;-) There's room enough here for everyone. So, it sounds like people would like filters for each distro? One for Off-topic and one for beer meeting stuff? TOPICS FILTERS ------ ---------------------------- Debian debian(?i) Slackware slack(ware)?(?i) Fedora/Red Hat fedora(?i) red(?=hat)(?i) RH Mandrake mandrake(?i) Gentoo gentoo(?i) Beer Meeting beer.*(meeting)?(?i) OFF-?TOPIC, OT off-?topic(?i) OT The regular expression matching rules for the filters are listed in the Python 're' module[1] and the Regular Expression HOWTO[2]. The '(?i)' at the end of the expression makes the filter case insensitive. I believe you can "cross-post" the topics. E.g. Let's say my problem involves both the linux kernel and Debian. My "Keywords: " header would read "Keywords: debian, kernel". There is also a user-based option to accept or reject posts that don't match any keywords. IOW, if someone really wanted to be blind to all miscellaneous traffice, (s)he could do so. Take a look at your options for the list[3]. They're explained pretty well there. NOTE, if you don't explicitly subscribe to anything, you'll receive everything. I'll email the list owners to request the above filters to be added. References ========== 1. http://python.org/doc/current/lib/module-re.html 2. http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/regex/ 3. https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/options/tclug-list -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Mar 4 11:22:28 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack References: Message-ID: <404765D4.60108@structural-wood.com> Social Engineering? Pastor Doug Coats wrote: > Thanks everyone for your input so far. > > A special thanks to B_o_B (I think) who has been diligently trying to hack > me. :) > > SMB is on but not open to the public. > Finger is on but not open to public > > It is an email and web server. > > The only VRFY message in the maillog is a rejection for B_o_B. > > domain.com/~username returns the same for valid and invalid users. > > B_o_B has passed along the nmap and the results look like they should - I > think. > > Still wondering.... > > Doug > [ Trim ] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Thu Mar 4 11:22:36 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <1078411387.9371.46.camel@unixws1> References: <1078330166.6924.56.camel@unixws1> <1078338961.28751.43.camel@lotsa> <20040304140042.GI380@iucha.net> <1078411387.9371.46.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040304172236.GA19575@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 08:43:09AM -0600, Adam Maloney wrote: > Also, some new and clarified information for the group. This is from > Qwest's MegaCentral page (for ISP's) > > 2/24/04 Qwest is introducing DSL without a telephone line, often > referred to as naked DSL or as Qwest refers to it Standalone DSL > > $33/month > $99 activation (but see promo) > 1.5M Choice DSL Deluxe service ONLY > Address loop qual process > DMT only > I just got off the phone with a Qwest rep. Since I have a CAP setup, he told me it would take about three weeks to convert over to DMT and get me fully operational. 1) They have to disable CAP. Takes five days (Why? Just does.) 2) Then they have to reconfigure to DMT (takes another 5 days). 3) Miscellanous screwups. Another five days. He suggested I contact my ISP simply so I wouldn't get billed for the downtime. He had an interesting suggestion. 1) Call Qwest and cancel my DSL service and disconnect the phone line. Takes about 2 days. 2) Call Qwest and order Standalone DSL. Takes about 5 days. He figures I can shave about a week or more off the downtime. He pushed for the Actiontec modem, saying that the DSL guys at Qwest recommend it and say the Cisco 978 won't work. Since I've read a few success stories here, I know that's wrong. So, where can I get a Cisco 678? Ebay is selling them for anywhere from $70-$100. That seems expensive, especially for used equipment. -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net --- Common sense is the most evenly distributed quantity in the world. Everyone thinks he has enough. -- Descartes, 1637 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Mar 4 11:28:37 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <1078411991.28751.92.camel@lotsa> References: <010f01c401f1$e18c9750$8463ef9d@clavdivs.org> <1078411991.28751.92.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040304172837.GL16897@wookimus.net> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 08:53:12AM -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > I plan to try to keep up with all the SIG's if I can. My fear is that > people who can help will miss the post because they will only be > reading one SIG. With over 500 members, I don't think topic filters will affect us too greatly. At least it's an option for those who hate to hear me wax phillosophical about Debian. I'll probably still read all topics on the list, but I would love the ability to quit receiving OT posts at times. It would keep me from unsubscribing or checking the "no receive" option. > If the goal is to reduce the volume of posts how about moving the chat > topics to a SIG or a Wiki. I enjoy reading about "Hacker-style music" > and the like as much as anyone but only when I have spare time. The > volume of truly on topic posts is not that great. And that's an important thing to note, topic filtering does not affect archiving of list posts. Everything is still available on the list archives. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Mar 4 11:46:22 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO In-Reply-To: <20040304165124.70351.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040304165124.70351.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040304174622.GM16897@wookimus.net> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 08:51:24AM -0800, Joel Dick wrote: > is "LI" and then it's just stuck. I'm thinking the MBR might have > gotten corrupted. Does anyone know of a way to fix this problem? I'm > assuming I need to boot up with a floppy, but have no idea on a good > utility to use/etc. The Linux Bootable Business Disk, http://www.lnx-bbc.org. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Thu Mar 4 11:58:10 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40476E32.9040300@umn.edu> I installed slackware 9.1 and I'm having a problem. I have the standard two button mouse with the scroll wheel in the middle. When I installed I didn't have the option to choose a mouse with a scroll wheel (why?), I asked other people about this and they said to put Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" in /etc/X11/XF86Config, I did, but it didn't do anything. My mouse wheel works in redhat and mandrake. Also, audio doesn't work. when I start firebird or something from the command line, I get a message like: alsa_audio: no cards found!, again, works under redhat and mandrake. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Mar 4 12:27:35 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Truwtin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. In-Reply-To: <40476E32.9040300@umn.edu> References: <40476E32.9040300@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040304122735.00002eda@jtrutwiwxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:58:10 -0600 Joe Dunsmore wrote: > I installed slackware 9.1 and I'm having a problem. I have the > standard two button mouse with the scroll wheel in the middle. When > I installed I didn't have the option to choose a mouse with a scroll > wheel (why?), I asked other people about this and they said to put > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" in /etc/X11/XF86Config, I did, but it > didn't do anything. My mouse wheel works in redhat and mandrake. > Also, audio doesn't work. when I start firebird or something from > the command line, I get a message like: alsa_audio: no cards found!, > again, works under redhat and mandrake. In addition to the ZAxisMapping setting, I have the following: Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Buttons" 3 Is gpm running? If not, try to use the following rc script: # more /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm #!/bin/sh # Start/stop/restart the GPM mouse server: if [ "$1" = "stop" ]; then echo "Stopping gpm..." /usr/sbin/gpm -k elif [ "$1" = "restart" ]; then echo "Restarting gpm..." /usr/sbin/gpm -k sleep 1 /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/mouse -t imps2 else # assume $1 = start: echo "Starting gpm: /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/mouse -t imps2" /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/mouse -t imps2 fi Depending on your actual mouse, imps2 might not be correct but I think it's general enough to work with most mice. As far as audio goes, I had a similar problem, did you build a custom kernel? If so, you'll be missing stuff in /lib/modules/2.4.22/kernel/sound unless you rebuild alsa as well. If not, make sure you have alsa-driver installed and your modules.conf is correct, here are my settings: # ALSA setting alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-es18xx snd_device_gid=81 snd_device_uid=0 snd_mpu_port=0x330 snd_irq=5 snd_dma8=1 snd_dma16=3 snd_mic_agc=0 device_gid=81 device_uid=0 options snd snd_major=116 cards_limit=1 device_mode=0666 options snd-es18xx index=0 id="ES1879" port=0x240 mpu_port=0x330 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=3 fm_port=0x388 isapnp=0 # OSS/Free portion alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 # card #1 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss Yours will be different depending on your card, the ALSA homepage (http://www.alsa-project.org/) has great documentation on the Supported Soundcards section. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net Thu Mar 4 12:32:15 2004 From: zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net (John Ford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <20040304172236.GA19575@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <1078330166.6924.56.camel@unixws1> <1078338961.28751.43.camel@lotsa> <20040304140042.GI380@iucha.net> <1078411387.9371.46.camel@unixws1> <20040304172236.GA19575@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <4047762F.1050109@DawnAndJohn.net> On 3/4/2004 11:22 AM James Kaufman wrote: > On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 08:43:09AM -0600, Adam Maloney wrote: > >>Also, some new and clarified information for the group. This is from >>Qwest's MegaCentral page (for ISP's) >> >>2/24/04 Qwest is introducing DSL without a telephone line, often >>referred to as naked DSL or as Qwest refers to it Standalone DSL >> >>$33/month >>$99 activation (but see promo) >>1.5M Choice DSL Deluxe service ONLY >>Address loop qual process >>DMT only >> > > > I just got off the phone with a Qwest rep. Since I have a CAP setup, he told me > it would take about three weeks to convert over to DMT and get me fully > operational. 1) They have to disable CAP. Takes five days (Why? Just does.) 2) > Then they have to reconfigure to DMT (takes another 5 days). 3) Miscellanous > screwups. Another five days. He suggested I contact my ISP simply so I wouldn't > get billed for the downtime. > > He had an interesting suggestion. 1) Call Qwest and cancel my DSL service and > disconnect the phone line. Takes about 2 days. 2) Call Qwest and order > Standalone DSL. Takes about 5 days. He figures I can shave about a week or > more off the downtime. > > He pushed for the Actiontec modem, saying that the DSL guys at Qwest recommend > it and say the Cisco 978 won't work. Since I've read a few success stories > here, I know that's wrong. So, where can I get a Cisco 678? Ebay is selling > them for anywhere from $70-$100. That seems expensive, especially for used > equipment. James, Boy, I hope you had your boots on when you made *that* phone call! What a bunch of B.S.! I've heard of the "disconnect CAP, wait a week, connect DMT" concept from other folks. They can do the CAP->DMT+1.5M deal in one hour! It takes two work orders, but they can have the same date. I could understand that maybe one CO might be less organized than others, and take a little longer, but I don't think the person you talked to would know about that. One thing that I hesitated to mention before (but that the hell...) is that Qwest farms out *some* of their 1-800-244-1111 work to contractors, who work on commission. Thus the "you *must* order an Actiontec" crap. The rep gets more $$$ if they sell a modem. Someone else mentioned that VISI gave them a different number to call - maybe that gets you to more knowledgeable Qwest folks. ... ya, it was Tom Penney, the number was "1.800.218.4443 press option 2". jcf -- Any information contained herein is correct to the best of my knowledge. I could be wrong. May contain typos. Your mileage may vary. Windows sucks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Thu Mar 4 12:16:20 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO References: <20040304165124.70351.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01a801c40214$d04b1700$0300000a@net.tsinks> There are several ways and problems to solve with this. 1. Erased LILO - Boot from CD - choose upgrade, proceed until after the part about partition, right after this hit Alt-F3 to get shell prompt. Enter - /mnt/sbin/lilo -r /mnt should see "adding Linux" reboot the computer 2. If not able to reinstall - At boot prompt enter - linux rescue enter - mount /dev/hdaX /mnt you'll be in root dir - enter /sbin/lilo it will overwrite the MBR enter contrl-D and reboot 3. Only get the L or LI - boot with a linux disk enter - /sbin/lilo -v -v check the error messages with the LILO Readme file - /usr/share/doc/lilo-version-#/README might be able to add linear or lba32 or compact in options of /etc/lilo/conf 4. Windows overwrites LILO or MBR - restart computer with bootable disk run LILOCONFIG from floppy drive If LILO was installed in superblock use FDISK command to activate the Linux partition. 5. Clear LILO from MBR enter - fdisk /mbr 6. LILO -- boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=100 other = /dev/hda1 label = dos table = /dev/hda image=linux or /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.30-2.9 ( your version of linux) root=/dev/hda3 read-only If you can get to reboot the computer into Linux, just go through the LILO configuration procedure to reload the LILO. Always carry a linux boot disk. I never leave home without one. Once you are in Linux you can fix most anything. Also, check the Linux version knowledgebase for your flavor and the linuxquestions.org and linuxdocumentationproject site. These have many problem and instruction sheets for download - clean them up and put them on a floppy or CD for emergencies. I also have a large notebook with these printed out. Thanks, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Dick" To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO > Hey all, > > Ran into a problem today, wondering if anyone knows a solution. One of the > guys at work has a laptop that had linux loaded on it a few years ago > (using lilo, set to default boot to windows). Yesterday, he turned his > computer on, it booted up to a blank screen, so he brought it in today, I > tried booting it up, and the farthest I get is that it gets past the bios > screen, goes to LILO, but all you see of the LILO prompt is "LI" and then > it's just stuck. I'm thinking the MBR might have gotten corrupted. Does > anyone know of a way to fix this problem? I'm assuming I need to boot up > with a floppy, but have no idea on a good utility to use/etc. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Joel > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net Thu Mar 4 12:13:41 2004 From: zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net (John Ford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <20040304140042.GI380@iucha.net> References: <1078330166.6924.56.camel@unixws1> <1078338961.28751.43.camel@lotsa> <20040304140042.GI380@iucha.net> Message-ID: <404771D5.7080104@DawnAndJohn.net> On 3/4/2004 8:00 AM Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:36:01PM -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > >>Awesome I just upgraded from 256k service. Thanks! > > > I just called in today and the 1.5Mbs service is not available in my > area ;) I live in Shoreview/55126. > > What areas are upgraded to 1.5? > > florin Florin, My suggestion is to call them back. You already have DSL, so I don't think distance is the problem. Two things come to mind... Your CO may not have any more DMT equipment available. If this is the case, they should have a guess as to when they will get more equipment and convert you from CAP to DMT. You may have talked to someone who doesn't know their stuff. I've heard of one case where the Qwest rep thought that a line wasn't eligible for DMT DSL - it was because it already had CAP DSL, and the Qwest ordering system simply told the rep that they couldn't use the line for DMT DSL. This is technically true, but it *didn't* say that it just needs to be unhooked from CAP, *then* you can use the line for DMT. The rep didn't know that if you have CAP DSL, it should qualify for DMT. One way to get a rough idea of where you stand as far as distance from your CO: http://www.dslreports.com/prequal/distance You give your zip, phone number, and it give you estimates from one or more DSL providers (not necessarily Qwest). In my case, Covad says I'm 4165 feet, and Network Access Solutions says 2673. Qwest's DMT DSL can reach as far as 17,500 feet. I'm no phone techie, so there may be some other reason they can't convert you to DMT at 1.5M. But I doubt it. If you call Qwest and still don't get someone who says it will work, maybe call VISI sales or support and have someone there help you out. jcf -- Any information contained herein is correct to the best of my knowledge. I could be wrong. May contain typos. Your mileage may vary. Windows sucks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Thu Mar 4 12:20:31 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <40476E26.3010204@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: The 'almost exactly in the order' meant that they eliminated trying to logon as certain entities like "apache" but not others. They could have used some script that recognized key words and left them out of the logon attempts. As far as I can tell the IP is from the Philippines. So it is probably not a local attack. Doug -----Original Message----- From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:58 AM To: dcoats@heritagemail.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Attack What I see rather frequently is people e-mailing everyone in the company as well as a couple good friends when there is something cool (You know, 22 ways to cheer yourself up after life has done you wrong). The clue about passwd file order kind of eliminates that thought, although the comment 'almost exactly in the order' bears some examination. Maybe the attacker thought it would be a good idea not to try using their own login, and then reconsidered? How about "Could you please e-mail me the file /etc/passwd. My company is doing a survey and we'd like to know what version of the passwd utility you are using". Good luck, Kent Pastor Doug Coats wrote: > That is a good question! > > The attacker tried almost every user almost exactly in the order they were > created. This leaves me to believe they somehow accessed the passwd's file > or some other file that tracks the order a user is created. I have no > activity from the attackers IP before the attack. I have no record of a > successful logon that is from any unaccountable IP or User. There are very > few people (2) that actually log onto this box for anything other than mail > traffic. > > I am going to do some web searching to see if anyone else has had a similar > experience because if this was from the outside I think there are many > people on this list that would be interested as to how it was done. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:22 AM > To: dcoats@heritagemail.org; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Attack > > > Social Engineering? > > > Pastor Doug Coats wrote: > >>Thanks everyone for your input so far. >> >>A special thanks to B_o_B (I think) who has been diligently trying to hack >>me. :) >> >>SMB is on but not open to the public. >>Finger is on but not open to public >> >>It is an email and web server. >> >>The only VRFY message in the maillog is a rejection for B_o_B. >> >>domain.com/~username returns the same for valid and invalid users. >> >>B_o_B has passed along the nmap and the results look like they should - I >>think. >> >>Still wondering.... >> >>Doug >> > > > [ Trim ] > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Mar 4 13:05:30 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403041905.i24J5U023399@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: linux compat video card with tv out looking for cheap video card with tv out that works under linux. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Mar 4 14:04:46 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL w/o all that nasty phoneline business In-Reply-To: <404771D5.7080104@DawnAndJohn.net> References: <1078330166.6924.56.camel@unixws1> <1078338961.28751.43.camel@lotsa> <20040304140042.GI380@iucha.net> <404771D5.7080104@DawnAndJohn.net> Message-ID: <20040304200446.GO380@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 14:12:35 2004 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO In-Reply-To: <01a801c40214$d04b1700$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <20040304201235.7257.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> thanks for the help, I still have much to learn about linux. I downloaded that linux bbc doot disk, wrote it to a CD-R and booted the laptop up with that. This might be an odd request, but would it be possible to remove lilo and just have the laptop boot to windows? *starts dodging rotten tomatos* I only ask that because this guy is a sales rep, has very little computer knowledge, and inherited the laptop from the old IT guy here that ran linux on it for home use. Basically this sales guy won't use linux, so why have it there in case he ends up getting into it some day and messes his machine up? If I remove lilo from the MBR, what will I need to do to make it boot into windows? Thanks again, Joel --- Tim Sinks wrote: > There are several ways and problems to solve with this. > 1. Erased LILO - Boot from CD - choose upgrade, proceed until after the > part > about partition, right after this hit Alt-F3 to get shell prompt. Enter > - > /mnt/sbin/lilo -r /mnt should see "adding Linux" > reboot the computer > 2. If not able to reinstall - At boot prompt enter - > linux rescue > enter - > mount /dev/hdaX /mnt > you'll be in root dir - enter > /sbin/lilo > it will overwrite the MBR > enter contrl-D and reboot > 3. Only get the L or LI - boot with a linux disk > enter - /sbin/lilo -v -v > check the error messages with the LILO Readme file - > /usr/share/doc/lilo-version-#/README > might be able to add linear or lba32 or compact in options of > /etc/lilo/conf > 4. Windows overwrites LILO or MBR - restart computer with bootable disk > run LILOCONFIG from floppy drive > If LILO was installed in superblock use FDISK command to activate the > Linux > partition. > 5. Clear LILO from MBR > enter - fdisk /mbr > 6. LILO -- > boot=/dev/hda > map=/boot/map > install=/boot/boot.b > prompt > timeout=100 > other = /dev/hda1 > label = dos > table = /dev/hda > image=linux or /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.30-2.9 ( your version of > linux) > root=/dev/hda3 > read-only > > If you can get to reboot the computer into Linux, just go through the > LILO > configuration procedure to reload the LILO. Always carry a linux boot > disk. > I never leave home without one. Once you are in Linux you can fix most > anything. Also, check the Linux version knowledgebase for your flavor > and > the linuxquestions.org and linuxdocumentationproject site. These have > many > problem and instruction sheets for download - clean them up and put them > on > a floppy or CD for emergencies. I also have a large notebook with these > printed out. > Thanks, > Tim Sinks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Dick" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:51 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO > > > > Hey all, > > > > Ran into a problem today, wondering if anyone knows a solution. One of > the > > guys at work has a laptop that had linux loaded on it a few years ago > > (using lilo, set to default boot to windows). Yesterday, he turned his > > computer on, it booted up to a blank screen, so he brought it in > today, I > > tried booting it up, and the farthest I get is that it gets past the > bios > > screen, goes to LILO, but all you see of the LILO prompt is "LI" and > then > > it's just stuck. I'm thinking the MBR might have gotten corrupted. > Does > > anyone know of a way to fix this problem? I'm assuming I need to boot > up > > with a floppy, but have no idea on a good utility to use/etc. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Joel > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Mar 4 14:21:04 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO In-Reply-To: <20040304201235.7257.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Joel Dick > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:13 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO > > This might be an odd request, but would it be possible to > remove lilo and just have the laptop boot to windows? *starts > dodging rotten tomatos* Yeah, not sure how to do it in Linux actually, but you can boot off a Win98 bootdisk and type 'format /mbr' and that should do it. At least it has in my experience. > If I remove lilo from the MBR, what will I need to do to make > it boot into windows? Nothing, it should go straight in to Windows. John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Mar 4 14:47:24 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Joel Dick > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:13 PM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO > > > > > This might be an odd request, but would it be possible to > > remove lilo and just have the laptop boot to windows? *starts > > dodging rotten tomatos* > > Yeah, not sure how to do it in Linux actually, but you can boot off a > Win98 bootdisk and type 'format /mbr' and that should do it. At least it > has in my experience. I believe you would actually want to do 'fdisk /mbr' from the 98 boot disk. > > If I remove lilo from the MBR, what will I need to do to make > > it boot into windows? > > Nothing, it should go straight in to Windows. > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > !DSPAM:4047932038701951712493! > > ------------- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Mar 4 15:02:42 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Justin Kremer > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:47 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Joel Dick > > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:13 PM > > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO > > > > > Win98 bootdisk and type 'format /mbr' and that should do > > I believe you would actually want to do 'fdisk /mbr' from the > 98 boot disk. > Whoops, you're right. That shows you how long it's been since I've done that (thankfully!), I guess. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 15:31:14 2004 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040304213114.44640.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Thank You!! Worked like a charm, but actually you use the windows fdisk command with the /mbr switch. Did that and it booted right to windows. Guess I need to get back to my linux studies, I've been slackin off lately with other things in life going on. Glad there's TCLUG around to help me when I'm stuck. Thanks guys! Joel --- "John T. Hoffoss" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Joel Dick > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:13 PM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO > > > > > This might be an odd request, but would it be possible to > > remove lilo and just have the laptop boot to windows? *starts > > dodging rotten tomatos* > > Yeah, not sure how to do it in Linux actually, but you can boot off a > Win98 bootdisk and type 'format /mbr' and that should do it. At least it > has in my experience. > > > If I remove lilo from the MBR, what will I need to do to make > > it boot into windows? > > Nothing, it should go straight in to Windows. > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Thu Mar 4 15:37:54 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Justin Kremer wrote: > > Yeah, not sure how to do it in Linux actually, but you can boot off a > > Win98 bootdisk and type 'format /mbr' and that should do it. At least it > > has in my experience. > > I believe you would actually want to do 'fdisk /mbr' from the 98 boot > disk. > > > > If I remove lilo from the MBR, what will I need to do to make > > > it boot into windows? > > > > Nothing, it should go straight in to Windows. You might need to use fdisk to make sure the windows partition is marked "active" as well. -Steve strayf@freeshell.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From linuxguy at geesper.com Thu Mar 4 15:57:37 2004 From: linuxguy at geesper.com (linuxguy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4047A651.9020603@geesper.com> >>>It is an email and web server. >>> >>> >>> Does it happen to be running PHPNuke or anything similar to that? PHPNuke and other web content portals can have holes in them that allow users to view your /etc/passwd file or basically any file on your filesystem that your apache user can view. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Thu Mar 4 16:41:57 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. In-Reply-To: <40476E32.9040300@umn.edu> References: <40476E32.9040300@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040304224157.GA57418@nan2d.com> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 11:58:10AM -0600, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > I installed slackware 9.1 and I'm having a problem. I have the standard > two button mouse with the scroll wheel in the middle. When I installed Is it PS/2 or USB? > I didn't have the option to choose a mouse with a scroll wheel (why?), I > asked other people about this and they said to put Option "ZAxisMapping" > "4 5" in /etc/X11/XF86Config, I did, but it didn't do anything. My This is mouse dependand. I have an MS Explorer Optical mouse and my ZAxisMapping is set to "6 7" Show me the Section "InputDevice" for your mouse. > mouse wheel works in redhat and mandrake. Also, audio doesn't work. > when I start firebird or something from the command line, I get a Run this and reply what you get: dmesg | grep -iA10 sound ... and ... dmesg | grep -iA10 alsa > message like: alsa_audio: no cards found!, again, works under redhat and > mandrake. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From patrickm at citilink.com Thu Mar 4 16:34:18 2004 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory problems In-Reply-To: <20040304213114.44640.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040304213114.44640.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4047AEEA.4020501@citilink.com> I inherited 5 identical computers, Pentium III 800 MHZ. They were used as windows workstations by the company next door that went belly-up. My plan has been to load Linux on them and replace our windows file servers. The problem is that I ran memtest86 and they ALL fail. The memtest documentation talks about false positives, so I thought memtest just didn't play well with this system. I tried loading Linux (Mandrake 9.2) on a few of them. One install complained of a memory problem, but two succeeded and seem to work ok. However, when I copied a .5 gig file across the network, it came across corrupted. How can this be? These computers have been used apparently successfully for at least a couple years. I have tested the memory chips in other systems and they all pass; I have put new memory in these systems and they all fail. Things I have tried so far: -Swap memory chips -Set bios to fail-safe defaults -Twiddle various bios entries that deal with ram Should I just write these guys off, or is there something I can do to fix this? Thanks, Patrick McCabe _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Mar 4 16:58:33 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory problems In-Reply-To: <4047AEEA.4020501@citilink.com> References: <20040304213114.44640.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> <4047AEEA.4020501@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20040304225833.GQ16897@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Thu Mar 4 16:45:39 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <4047A651.9020603@geesper.com> Message-ID: <000001c4023c$dd745ae0$6500a8c0@heritageweb.org> We do use PHP but we do not use any program to manage the PHP. So nothing should have apache permissions to write and execute. Still searching... Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of linuxguy Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:58 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Attack >>>It is an email and web server. >>> >>> >>> Does it happen to be running PHPNuke or anything similar to that? PHPNuke and other web content portals can have holes in them that allow users to view your /etc/passwd file or basically any file on your filesystem that your apache user can view. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Mar 4 17:59:08 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. In-Reply-To: <20040304224157.GA57418@nan2d.com> References: <40476E32.9040300@umn.edu> <20040304224157.GA57418@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040304175908.11c96b34.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 16:41:57 -0600 Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > This is mouse dependand. I have an MS Explorer Optical mouse and my > ZAxisMapping is set to "6 7" > Show me the Section "InputDevice" for your mouse. > I don't think it's mouse specific. I have the IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 and mine is set as follows: Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "off" Option "ZaxisMapping" "4 5" The sroll button works fine. I have it plugged into my KVM switch using the USB->PS/2 adapter. > dmesg | grep -iA10 sound > > ... and ... > > dmesg | grep -iA10 alsa > Do this and see if you come up with any errors. You should see something along the lines of it telling you to run an alsa command. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Mar 4 18:25:51 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory problems In-Reply-To: <4047AEEA.4020501@citilink.com> Message-ID: Well, it sounds to me like you have issues with the motherboards, not the RAM. Do you have any motherboards around that will accept all other parts from the computers? If so, try swapping out the motherboard on one of them and see if that fixes your issues. If so, then it's a matter of deciding if those systems are worth the price of new motherboards or not. On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Patrick McCabe wrote: > I inherited 5 identical computers, Pentium III 800 MHZ. They were used > as windows workstations by the company next door that went belly-up. My > plan has been to load Linux on them and replace our windows file servers. > > The problem is that I ran memtest86 and they ALL fail. The memtest > documentation talks about false positives, so I thought memtest just > didn't play well with this system. I tried loading Linux (Mandrake 9.2) > on a few of them. One install complained of a memory problem, but two > succeeded and seem to work ok. However, when I copied a .5 gig file > across the network, it came across corrupted. > > How can this be? These computers have been used apparently successfully > for at least a couple years. I have tested the memory chips in other > systems and they all pass; I have put new memory in these systems and > they all fail. > > Things I have tried so far: > -Swap memory chips > -Set bios to fail-safe defaults > -Twiddle various bios entries that deal with ram > > Should I just write these guys off, or is there something I can do to > fix this? > > Thanks, > Patrick McCabe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > !DSPAM:4047b2c162226797228617! > > ------------- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Mar 4 18:32:24 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mythtv / prismiq In-Reply-To: <20040302071548.GR24827@techmonkeys.org> References: <20040225172203.GC28147@therub.org> <1078200352.30121.10676.camel@3po> <20040302071548.GR24827@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1078446744.30112.15104.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lcojiml at iwon.com Thu Mar 4 18:52:48 2004 From: lcojiml at iwon.com (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory problems Message-ID: <20040305005248.EA6241C79D@email.iwon.com> They can't be fixed. I'll take one off your hands... ----------------------------------- James G. Louis Information Technologist lcojiml@iwon.com http://bounce.to/bizindawishin --- On Thu 03/04, Patrick McCabe < patrickm@citilink.com > wrote: From: Patrick McCabe [mailto: patrickm@citilink.com] To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:34:18 -0600 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory problems I inherited 5 identical computers, Pentium III 800 MHZ. They were used
as windows workstations by the company next door that went belly-up. My
plan has been to load Linux on them and replace our windows file servers.

The problem is that I ran memtest86 and they ALL fail. The memtest
documentation talks about false positives, so I thought memtest just
didn't play well with this system. I tried loading Linux (Mandrake 9.2)
on a few of them. One install complained of a memory problem, but two
succeeded and seem to work ok. However, when I copied a .5 gig file
across the network, it came across corrupted.

How can this be? These computers have been used apparently successfully
for at least a couple years. I have tested the memory chips in other
systems and they all pass; I have put new memory in these systems and
they all fail.

Things I have tried so far:
-Swap memory chips
-Set bios to fail-safe defaults
-Twiddle various bios entries that deal with ram

Should I just write these guys off, or is there something I can do to
fix this?

Thanks,
Patrick McCabe




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_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pclinux at charter.net Thu Mar 4 19:42:12 2004 From: pclinux at charter.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040304193231.01cd0b50@pop.charter.net> I would have to concur but, ALL 5? What brand are these boards? Try updating the BIOS. Check the batteries, I've seen extremely weird unexplainable behavior in the past. Keep us posted. At 06:58 PM 3/4/2004, you wrote: >Well, it sounds to me like you have issues with the motherboards, not the >RAM..... >On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Patrick McCabe wrote: > > > I inherited 5 identical computers, Pentium III 800 MHZ. They were used > > as windows workstations by the company next door that went belly-up. My > > plan has been to load Linux on them and replace our windows file servers. > > > > The problem is that I ran memtest86 and they ALL fail. The memtest > > documentation talks about false positives, so I thought memtest just > > didn't play well with this system. I tried loading Linux (Mandrake 9.2) > > on a few of them. One install complained of a memory problem, but two > > succeeded and seem to work ok. However, when I copied a .5 gig file > > across the network, it came across corrupted. > > > > How can this be? These computers have been used apparently successfully > > for at least a couple years. I have tested the memory chips in other > > systems and they all pass; I have put new memory in these systems and > > they all fail. > > > > Things I have tried so far: > > -Swap memory chips > > -Set bios to fail-safe defaults > > -Twiddle various bios entries that deal with ram > > > > Should I just write these guys off, or is there something I can do to > > fix this? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Thu Mar 4 20:14:02 2004 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT - lugradio Message-ID: <1078452842.10980.9.camel@jonathon.jongsma.org> pretty amusing http://www.lugradio.org/ "LugRadio is four Linux fans - Jono Bacon, Stuart Langridge, Stephen Parkes and Matthew Revell - sitting around and talking about the world of open source software. From the slightly more serious, to the entirely frivolous, this is internet radio by and for ordinary Linux users, who can laugh at themselves." -- Jonathon Jongsma _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Thu Mar 4 22:03:36 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory problems In-Reply-To: <4047AEEA.4020501@citilink.com> References: <20040304213114.44640.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> <4047AEEA.4020501@citilink.com> Message-ID: <1078459416.4047fc1885621@joshwelch.com> Quoting Patrick McCabe : > I inherited 5 identical computers, Pentium III 800 MHZ. They were used > as windows workstations by the company next door that went belly-up. My > plan has been to load Linux on them and replace our windows file servers. > > The problem is that I ran memtest86 and they ALL fail. The memtest > documentation talks about false positives, so I thought memtest just > didn't play well with this system. I tried loading Linux (Mandrake 9.2) > on a few of them. One install complained of a memory problem, but two > succeeded and seem to work ok. However, when I copied a .5 gig file > across the network, it came across corrupted. > > How can this be? These computers have been used apparently successfully > for at least a couple years. I have tested the memory chips in other > systems and they all pass; I have put new memory in these systems and > they all fail. > > Things I have tried so far: > -Swap memory chips > -Set bios to fail-safe defaults > -Twiddle various bios entries that deal with ram > > Should I just write these guys off, or is there something I can do to > fix this? > > Thanks, > Patrick McCabe > > What kind of boxes are they? Could be some sort of a bug specific to that specific machine. Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Thu Mar 4 22:01:17 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078459277.4047fb8d792c1@joshwelch.com> Quoting "John T. Hoffoss" : > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Joel Dick > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:13 PM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO > > > > > This might be an odd request, but would it be possible to > > remove lilo and just have the laptop boot to windows? *starts > > dodging rotten tomatos* > > Yeah, not sure how to do it in Linux actually, but you can boot off a > Win98 bootdisk and type 'format /mbr' and that should do it. At least it > has in my experience. > WHOA! You might want to be careful with that format command :) I think you meant fdisk /mbr. Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Thu Mar 4 21:23:15 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. In-Reply-To: <20040304175908.11c96b34.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <40476E32.9040300@umn.edu> <20040304224157.GA57418@nan2d.com> <20040304175908.11c96b34.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040305032315.GA71887@nan2d.com> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 05:59:08PM -0600, Shawn wrote: > I don't think it's mouse specific. I have the IntelliMouse Explorer > 3.0 and mine is set as follows: > > Identifier "Mouse1" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "off" > Option "ZaxisMapping" "4 5" http://dorward.me.uk/linux/mouse/ -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Mar 4 21:49:34 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory problems In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040304193231.01cd0b50@pop.charter.net> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040304193231.01cd0b50@pop.charter.net> Message-ID: <1078458574.1022.43.camel@lotsa> I can't believe that all five of anything went bad at the same time. Could they have been tampered with? Is anyone unhappy with the company going belly up? Perhaps a big magnet, a power serge, hooked up to the 440 in the plant, a handful of Iron filings maybe, crushed some resistors with a pliers, any bullet holes in the case? will windows install? Did windows boot when you got them? It could be anything, the Mobo is most likely but it could be the power supply, the processor, even the power itself. a last resort would be to take a working system, which passes memtest, and replace one component at a time from a non working system and run the memtest between each swap. That is a lot of work tho. mobos don't take as long to swap as you would think, just be careful, and be grounded. - tom On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 19:42, Carl Zeilon wrote: > I would have to concur but, ALL 5? What brand are these boards? Try > updating the BIOS. Check the batteries, I've seen extremely weird > unexplainable behavior in the past. Keep us posted. > > At 06:58 PM 3/4/2004, you wrote: > >Well, it sounds to me like you have issues with the motherboards, not the > >RAM..... > >On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Patrick McCabe wrote: > > > > > I inherited 5 identical computers, Pentium III 800 MHZ. They were used > > > as windows workstations by the company next door that went belly-up. My > > > plan has been to load Linux on them and replace our windows file servers. > > > > > > The problem is that I ran memtest86 and they ALL fail. The memtest > > > documentation talks about false positives, so I thought memtest just > > > didn't play well with this system. I tried loading Linux (Mandrake 9.2) > > > on a few of them. One install complained of a memory problem, but two > > > succeeded and seem to work ok. However, when I copied a .5 gig file > > > across the network, it came across corrupted. > > > > > > How can this be? These computers have been used apparently successfully > > > for at least a couple years. I have tested the memory chips in other > > > systems and they all pass; I have put new memory in these systems and > > > they all fail. > > > > > > Things I have tried so far: > > > -Swap memory chips > > > -Set bios to fail-safe defaults > > > -Twiddle various bios entries that deal with ram > > > > > > Should I just write these guys off, or is there something I can do to > > > fix this? > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Mar 4 22:52:50 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Memory problems In-Reply-To: <1078459416.4047fc1885621@joshwelch.com> (message from Josh Welch on Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:03:36 -0600) References: <20040304213114.44640.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> <4047AEEA.4020501@citilink.com> <1078459416.4047fc1885621@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <200403050452.i254qok12839@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Josh Welch >Quoting Patrick McCabe : >> How can this be? These computers have been used apparently successfully >> for at least a couple years. I have tested the memory chips in other >> systems and they all pass; I have put new memory in these systems and >> they all fail. I've heard that MS Windows has special code that works around hardware problems. There may also be special code from the motherboard manufacturer that works around these hardware problems as well, but only for specific MS Windows operating systems. How to hide bad hardware ... >What kind of boxes are they? Could be some sort of a bug specific to that >specific machine. A few years ago, I had a problem with a motherboard not running Linux properly (actually X windows). It seems that the last megabyte of RAM was being used by some motherboard resource (maybe onboard video). The machine had 128MB, so the workaround was to simply specify the mem=127M option to the kernel on boot up. Then everything worked great! Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Wed Mar 3 20:58:56 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [DSIG] Re: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I propose that the Debian SIG of TCLUG meet on the third Tuesday of the month, location TBD. SIG traffic to the main mailing list could be tagged [DSIG], and if traffic exceeds reasonable load on the main list we add a DSIG list (I have multiple domains to host from, I'm sure others could oblige as well). On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Jima wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > In response to the TCLUG BSP post, I've been asked whether or not there > > were any local Debian Users Groups. My response was to suggest a Debian > > SIG (Special Interest Group) for TCLUG. > > I like the idea of Special Interest Groups within the TCLUG. It's been > suggested before, but it never really went anywhere. > > > AFIACT, we currently don't have any structure in place for SIG's and > > wanted to solicit feedback from the list. Would SIG's be supported? If > > so, what process should we use to create and maintain the SIG's? > > Oh yeah. That's probably why it never went anywhere. :) > > > Slightly off topic, would it be a good idea to create a tclug wiki? > > I don't see why not. > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Mar 4 23:21:59 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040305052159.GC29896@fandre.com> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > IMPLEMENTATION DETAIL: TCLUG FORMALIZATION > ========================================== > Should we formalize TCLUG a bit? Add Official Officer Positions? ;-) > President, President-Elect, Secretary, Member-at-Large? Should we > constitutionalize things loosely around these positions, describing > election procedures? i.e. Using Debian's Condorcet election system? > Etc. (NOTE: I am not proposing TCLUG as an NPO. Let's avoid that for a > while.) We've talked about this before, and I have asked for volunteers in the past, but nothing has ever come out of it. Is anyone interested in helping out? Here are a couple positions I would like to have: 1. TCLUG Meeting Coordinator (we need better^H^H^H^H^H^H topics) 2. TCLUG Webmaster (the website needs a revamp) Comments? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Fri Mar 5 07:08:36 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The answer is..... Me! I programmed our web page with a vital error. I passed a variable that contained the name of a file to be opened is such a way that it could be changed. So the hacker simply changed it to whatever file they wanted to see and presto - I handed them my box. Good news - We find no evidence that they have capitalized on this information yet. Bad news - I have to change everyone's passwords immediately. I fixed(with the help of a friend) the website by checking the variable for a "/". If it contains that if simple kills the script. So now they are locked into that directory. I will probably change it more so that the variable doesn't match the exact file it is opening but I think the passwords come first. Thank you for everyone that helped out. I finally tracked what the cracker was attempting to do in the httpd error logs and then duplicated their efforts to my horror. Live and learn. Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Pastor Doug Coats Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:55 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Attack I am running Fedora Core1 and had an interesting attack show up in my logs. Someone tried to ssh running through the entire list of users. My question is how did they get that list of valid users? There is no evidence of simply trying random users - they knew every user. Is there something in Linux that would return a request for every user name? Is there something I should have turned off so that cannot happen again? I blocked their IP address in IPTables but they can find a way around that. And I would like to block anyone from trying something similar. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks All, Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Mar 5 08:18:04 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. In-Reply-To: <20040305032315.GA71887@nan2d.com> References: <40476E32.9040300@umn.edu> <20040304224157.GA57418@nan2d.com> <20040304175908.11c96b34.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040305032315.GA71887@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040305081804.2aa501eb.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:23:15 -0600 Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 05:59:08PM -0600, Shawn wrote: > > I don't think it's mouse specific. I have the IntelliMouse > > Explorer 3.0 and mine is set as follows: > > > > Identifier "Mouse1" > > Driver "mouse" > > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "off" > > Option "ZaxisMapping" "4 5" > > http://dorward.me.uk/linux/mouse/ > Great! Thanks Andre. I was wondering if I was going to be able to get the other buttons to work. For the record, I was referring more to the ZaxisMapping line. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Mar 5 09:01:26 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:08:36 -0600, Pastor Doug Coats wrote: > The answer is..... > > Me! > > I programmed our web page with a vital error. I passed a variable that > contained the name of a file to be opened is such a way that it could be > changed. So the hacker simply changed it to whatever file they wanted to > see and presto - I handed them my box. > I'd be interested in "before and after" code... if you're willing to share...we all may be able to learn from this...! > Good news - We find no evidence that they have capitalized on this > information yet. > > Bad news - I have to change everyone's passwords immediately. > > I fixed(with the help of a friend) the website by checking the variable > for > a "/". If it contains that if simple kills the script. So now they are > locked into that directory. > > I will probably change it more so that the variable doesn't match the > exact > file it is opening but I think the passwords come first. > > Thank you for everyone that helped out. I finally tracked what the > cracker > was attempting to do in the httpd error logs and then duplicated their > efforts to my horror. > > Live and learn. > > Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Fri Mar 5 08:56:17 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] March TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20040305050423.GB29896@fandre.com> References: <20040305050423.GB29896@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040305145617.GA5729@refried.org> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 11:04:23PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > We will be having a meeting this month, but (again) I have been unable > to find a speaker or a topic. There was some talk of having a SAN > talk, but nothing was ever finalized. I *will* have something solid > for next month, I promise. I am planning on talking about SANs (Storage Area Networks). It'll be really informal, no slides, just writing on the white board and waving my hands. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Mar 5 09:10:06 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c402c3$f15d7a50$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > I'd be interested in "before and after" code... if you're > willing to > share...we all may be able to learn from this...! Agreed, I'm probably doing the same thing in my php code! Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Fri Mar 5 08:56:17 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] March TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20040305050423.GB29896@fandre.com> References: <20040305050423.GB29896@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040305145617.GA5729@refried.org> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 11:04:23PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > We will be having a meeting this month, but (again) I have been unable > to find a speaker or a topic. There was some talk of having a SAN > talk, but nothing was ever finalized. I *will* have something solid > for next month, I promise. I am planning on talking about SANs (Storage Area Networks). It'll be really informal, no slides, just writing on the white board and waving my hands. Nate _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Mar 5 09:49:40 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:30 2005 Subject: [DSIG] Re: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040305094940.000066e9@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:58:56 -0600 (CST) Daniel Taylor wrote: > I propose that the Debian SIG of TCLUG meet on the third Tuesday of > the month, location TBD. SIG traffic to the main mailing list could > be tagged [DSIG], and if traffic exceeds reasonable load on the main > list we add a DSIG list (I have multiple domains to host from, I'm > sure others could oblige as well). Grrr... Pick the night that I teach class? Oh well, it'll change in a few months anyway. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 5 10:11:35 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040305161134.GB1549@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Mar 5 10:21:42 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <20040305161134.GB1549@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <002501c402cd$f20ac5c0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > Can you build a dictionary list corresponding to the > filenames so that the visible URL that people see is > something like > "http://domain.tld/location/FISH4310PREL2Q0OU"> , or submit the > form variable as the hash. Then find the > file based on the hash...? Ack, now I see what you were doing... Store your files in a database!!! Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Fri Mar 5 10:22:39 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess I should actually declare linuxguy the winner he was the one that suggested PHP might be using its privileges to obtain the info and he was right. The root of the problem. Our web site is built in such a way that the only page you ever call up is the index.php. It is broken up into 5 sections. A header, menu, column, body, & footer. If you go to our site it defaults to the main menu, column, & body. If you click on a link the link passes along the variables to call up the correct menu, column & body. Example: http://www.heritageweb.org/index.php?menu=menusecondary.php&column=columnsec ondary.php&body=bodysecondary.php The variables are the names of the sections of code. Section of old code: Section of new code: To be honest I thought it was a great way to process an entire site through one main page. It made consistent formatting a breeze. My thoughts were to eventually move each menu, column, and body section into a MySQL database and then build a front-end that would allow individuals at the school edit their own body sections that they are responsible for. I do hope this helps anyone that is doing something similar avoid my headaches. Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Pastor Doug Coats Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:55 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Attack I am running Fedora Core1 and had an interesting attack show up in my logs. Someone tried to ssh running through the entire list of users. My question is how did they get that list of valid users? There is no evidence of simply trying random users - they knew every user. Is there something in Linux that would return a request for every user name? Is there something I should have turned off so that cannot happen again? I blocked their IP address in IPTables but they can find a way around that. And I would like to block anyone from trying something similar. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks All, Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Mar 5 10:37:25 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <002501c402cd$f20ac5c0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: Then you can have SQL injection attacks, too! :) I don't know enough about PHP, but I would double check that doing something like \/ (escaped forward-slash) doesn't get around that code. It doesn't look like it would though. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Matt Murphy > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:22 AM > To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Attack > > > > Can you build a dictionary list corresponding to the > > filenames so that the visible URL that people see is > > something like > > "http://domain.tld/location/FISH4310PREL2Q0OU"> , or submit the > > form variable as the hash. Then find the > > file based on the hash...? > > Ack, now I see what you were doing... Store your files > in a database!!! > > Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 5 10:42:23 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:31 2005 Subject: [DSIG] Re: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040305164223.GE1549@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Fri Mar 5 10:36:50 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Enlightenment... It looks like I don't have to change all the passwords. The user apache cannot view the shadow file only root. That just saved me a Saturday! Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Pastor Doug Coats Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:09 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Attack The answer is..... Me! I programmed our web page with a vital error. I passed a variable that contained the name of a file to be opened is such a way that it could be changed. So the hacker simply changed it to whatever file they wanted to see and presto - I handed them my box. Good news - We find no evidence that they have capitalized on this information yet. Bad news - I have to change everyone's passwords immediately. I fixed(with the help of a friend) the website by checking the variable for a "/". If it contains that if simple kills the script. So now they are locked into that directory. I will probably change it more so that the variable doesn't match the exact file it is opening but I think the passwords come first. Thank you for everyone that helped out. I finally tracked what the cracker was attempting to do in the httpd error logs and then duplicated their efforts to my horror. Live and learn. Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Pastor Doug Coats Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:55 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Attack I am running Fedora Core1 and had an interesting attack show up in my logs. Someone tried to ssh running through the entire list of users. My question is how did they get that list of valid users? There is no evidence of simply trying random users - they knew every user. Is there something in Linux that would return a request for every user name? Is there something I should have turned off so that cannot happen again? I blocked their IP address in IPTables but they can find a way around that. And I would like to block anyone from trying something similar. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks All, Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 5 11:04:09 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Formalization (was Re: Debian SIG? SIGs in general?) In-Reply-To: <20040305052159.GC29896@fandre.com> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <20040305052159.GC29896@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040305170409.GF1549@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 5 11:06:08 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040305170608.GG1549@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 5 11:30:48 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [DSIG] Re: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <20040305164223.GE1549@wookimus.net> References: <20040305164223.GE1549@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040305173048.GI1549@wookimus.net> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 10:42:23AM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Daniel, if topic filters will be enabled, you don't need to add the > []. Simply place the word debian in the "Subject" or "Keywords" > headers. If you think DSIG is more appropriate, so be it. It could > be added as well. The flexibility is in the regular expression > matching for Python and mailman. DSIG, DEBSIG, Debian. It all can be > matched. I was thinking about this some more. It may not be discriminating enough to just match on "debian". Perhaps "debsig" and "dsig" are more appropriate, specifying email to the SIG rather than general discussion in which the term "debian" just happens to be thrown around. I've sent in a request to tclug-list-owner to add the following SIG filters: # CASE INSENSITIVE == (?i) Debian SIG: d(eb)?sig(?i) # debsig & dsig Fedora SIG: f(edora)?sig(?i) # fedorasig & fsig Slackware SIG: s(lack)?sig(?i) # slacksig & ssig Beer Meeting: (beer[ -]?)(?=meeting)(?i) # beer if followed by meeting Off Topic: off[ -]?topic(?i) # off-topic & off topic OT # [O]ff [T]opic abbreviation -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Fri Mar 5 11:34:46 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Formalization (was Re: Debian SIG? SIGs in general?) In-Reply-To: <20040305170409.GF1549@wookimus.net> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <20040305052159.GC29896@fandre.com> <20040305170409.GF1549@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040305173446.GA11998@refried.org> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 11:04:09AM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > What is our current meeting outline? Announcements, Presentation, > Round-Robin Introductions, Lunch? ;-) Perhaps we can tack on SIG's > and/or Meeting planning committee at the end (before lunch). I think having a generic meeting outline would be a good thing to have. It doesn't have to be formal, just something that anyone can use to run the meeting. I think typically is goes something like this: 1. Announcements 2. Introductions 3. Presentation 4. Open Discussion 5. Food I think adding meeting planning before open discussion would be a good idea. SIGs can plan a lunch meeting before or after the general meeting. > On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 11:21:59PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > 2. TCLUG Webmaster (the website needs a revamp) > > Perhaps more than one Webmaster is what we need. Wiki anyone? ;-) Wiki or Zope would be my vote. Zope makes it easy to add accounts without actually adding them to the box. Perhaps that would be a good TCZPUG-TCLUG joint project, prototype a www.mn-linux.org replacement in Zope. I think it would make a good presentation too. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Fri Mar 5 13:54:41 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4048DB01.9060804@umn.edu> > On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 11:58:10AM -0600, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > >>I installed slackware 9.1 and I'm having a problem. I have the standard >>two button mouse with the scroll wheel in the middle. When I installed > > > Is it PS/2 or USB? > > >>I didn't have the option to choose a mouse with a scroll wheel (why?), I >>asked other people about this and they said to put Option "ZAxisMapping" >>"4 5" in /etc/X11/XF86Config, I did, but it didn't do anything. My > > > This is mouse dependand. I have an MS Explorer Optical mouse and my ZAxisMapping > is set to "6 7" > Show me the Section "InputDevice" for your mouse. I did what Josh said (except I changed 3 to "3") and my mouse wheel works fine now (thanks Josh). >>mouse wheel works in redhat and mandrake. Also, audio doesn't work. >>when I start firebird or something from the command line, I get a > > > Run this and reply what you get: > > dmesg | grep -iA10 sound > > ... and ... > > dmesg | grep -iA10 alsa I got no output with either. I didn't do what Josh said to do yet regarding audio, but I will soon. While I'm at it I'll ask this as well. I've used the blackbox and fluxbox window managers on slackware and I like them alot. The only problem is, they can be very slow doing certain actions. dragging a window around when windows are set to opaque drives my X cpu percentage to about 95% and it's very slow with a large lag time. Likewise, opening menus on windows and scrolling up and down with my mouse or the arrow keys is very slow. I'll ask the bb and fb people about this, but do you know why it's so slow or how to fix it? I've used bb 0.65.0, fb 0.1.14 and 0.9.8. Gnome and Kde haven't had any problems in this regard. I have an amd k6-2 500 MHz and 192 megs of sdram. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Fri Mar 5 14:27:10 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. In-Reply-To: <4048DB01.9060804@umn.edu> References: <4048DB01.9060804@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040305202710.GA32406@nan2d.com> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:54:41PM -0600, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > >On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 11:58:10AM -0600, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > > > >>I installed slackware 9.1 and I'm having a problem. I have the standard > >>two button mouse with the scroll wheel in the middle. When I installed > > > > > >Is it PS/2 or USB? > > > > > >>I didn't have the option to choose a mouse with a scroll wheel (why?), I > >>asked other people about this and they said to put Option "ZAxisMapping" > >>"4 5" in /etc/X11/XF86Config, I did, but it didn't do anything. My > > > > > >This is mouse dependand. I have an MS Explorer Optical mouse and my > >ZAxisMapping > >is set to "6 7" > >Show me the Section "InputDevice" for your mouse. > > I did what Josh said (except I changed 3 to "3") and my mouse wheel > works fine now (thanks Josh). > > >>mouse wheel works in redhat and mandrake. Also, audio doesn't work. > >>when I start firebird or something from the command line, I get a > > > > > >Run this and reply what you get: > > > > dmesg | grep -iA10 sound > > > >... and ... > > > > dmesg | grep -iA10 alsa > > I got no output with either. I didn't do what Josh said to do yet > regarding audio, but I will soon. Thats strange. That only means that there is no ALSO sound system in your kernel, or the kernel module for it is not being loaded. Did you compile your kernel? > > While I'm at it I'll ask this as well. I've used the blackbox and > fluxbox window managers on slackware and I like them alot. The only > problem is, they can be very slow doing certain actions. dragging a > window around when windows are set to opaque drives my X cpu percentage > to about 95% and it's very slow with a large lag time. Likewise, > opening menus on windows and scrolling up and down with my mouse or the > arrow keys is very slow. I'll ask the bb and fb people about this, but > do you know why it's so slow or how to fix it? I've used bb 0.65.0, fb > 0.1.14 and 0.9.8. Gnome and Kde haven't had any problems in this > regard. I have an amd k6-2 500 MHz and 192 megs of sdram. I have been using fluxbox for a long time too, but I never use the opaque windo moving feature. I think I did before, but havent had any of the problems you described. If you installed fluxbox from a binary package, then concider compiling it from source. I have had problems for some software (like screen) where compiling it from source would magically solve the problem. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Good luck -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Mar 5 14:55:21 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. In-Reply-To: <4048DB01.9060804@umn.edu> References: <4048DB01.9060804@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040305145521.00001122@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 13:54:41 -0600 Joe Dunsmore wrote: [...] > I did what Josh said (except I changed 3 to "3") and my mouse wheel > works fine now (thanks Josh). Oops, typo. Hope that didn't sidetrack you too much. > I got no output with either. I didn't do what Josh said to do yet > regarding audio, but I will soon. What's the output of: uname -a ls -1 /var/log/packages/*alsa* ls -1 /lib/modules/ ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/ > While I'm at it I'll ask this as well. I've used the blackbox and > fluxbox window managers on slackware and I like them alot. The only > > problem is, they can be very slow doing certain actions. dragging a > > window around when windows are set to opaque drives my X cpu > percentage to about 95% and it's very slow with a large lag time. > Likewise, opening menus on windows and scrolling up and down with my > mouse or the arrow keys is very slow. I'll ask the bb and fb people > about this, but do you know why it's so slow or how to fix it? I've > used bb 0.65.0, fb 0.1.14 and 0.9.8. Gnome and Kde haven't had any > problems in this regard. I have an amd k6-2 500 MHz and 192 megs of > sdram. I have a PII 233 and the only window manager that I really liked is Gnome - everything else just seemed flaky, not sure why. It's still a lot slower than I want, but I deal. If you like gnome, checkout Dropline Gnome which is keeps your Gnome up to date through a simple installer. Slackware only though. http://www.dropline.net/gnome/ Another great Gnome tool: http://multignometerm.sourceforge.net/ Have fun, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Mar 5 15:08:26 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Laptop...what Brand(s) works w/Linux? In-Reply-To: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1077951996.bd5b271ckcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <16456.60490.562202.499928@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I realize this is a late response: I've been OOT for a while.... Anyway, I bought a Gateway 450 XL and have been using it fairly successfully with Mandrake 9.1. Just about everything works, except I've never been able to get either ACPI or APM to do standby or software suspend successfully. I went out of my way to get an Orinoco card, because they were supposed to be compatible. D'oh! That was last generation. For this generation you need to install MadWifi yourself... Other than that, all seems well. HTH, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Fri Mar 5 19:43:50 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [DSIG] Re: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <20040305094940.000066e9@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: Well, I haven't been able to make Saturdays in forever. I'll just have to try to make tomorrow's meeting, I've a need for a better storage configuration. I thick Chad might be right about not having meetings seperate from the regular meetings, at least for a while. On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:58:56 -0600 (CST) > Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > I propose that the Debian SIG of TCLUG meet on the third Tuesday of > > the month, location TBD. SIG traffic to the main mailing list could > > be tagged [DSIG], and if traffic exceeds reasonable load on the main > > list we add a DSIG list (I have multiple domains to host from, I'm > > sure others could oblige as well). > > Grrr... Pick the night that I teach class? Oh well, it'll change in a few months anyway. > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Mar 5 20:41:06 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack References: <20040305161134.GB1549@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <00db01c40324$79b5f390$0201a8c0@brinstar> Chad Walstrom writes: > Can you build a dictionary list corresponding to the filenames so that > the visible URL that people see is something like > "http://domain.tld/location/FISH4310PREL2Q0OU", or submit the form > variable as the hash. Then find the file based on the hash...? That's not a great method, because you then need to store a list of all the hashes and their corresponding values. Unless you aren't using a secure hash, in which case you are relying on security through obscurity. What you want to do here is authenticate the filename passed. In other words, you want to make sure that you generated the filename and it has not been tampered with. To do this, use a secure hash function such as MD5 or SHA1. Pick a random string to use as a key. Prepend this key to your filename and generate a hash for the string. Include both the filename and the hash as variables. To determine if a passed filename is trusted, perform the same procedure as above and compare the generated hash to the passed hash. If they match, it means the filename can be trusted. I actually wouldn't use this method here. In fact, it looks like the OP should be using SSI instead of PHP. But at any rate, he is violating a fundamental programming rule, especially for web applications: NEVER TRUST USER INPUT In his case, a simple basename() call would have prevented the problem. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Mar 5 20:54:57 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack References: <002501c402cd$f20ac5c0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <00e201c40326$691745f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matt Murphy writes: > Ack, now I see what you were doing... Store your files in a > database!!! That is a horrible idea. File systems work very well for storing files (what a surprise). The trend of "stick everything into a database just because we can" is counterproductive. There are times when storing files in a database is the right solution, but this certainly isn't one of them. I think this entire incident is a great example of using the wrong tool for the job. The OP is using PHP simply to include a few pages together. SSI would be faster, more secure and have a clean URL structure that is indexable by more search engines. It also has the advantage that the page layout is not determined by the linking URL (which is quite silly). In general, think simple. In most cases, you don't get a better solution than the simplest solution unless you go with a really complicated solution. And in almost all cases the complicated solution is not worth it. Remember this quote by Albert Einstein: Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Mar 5 21:10:28 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <00e201c40326$691745f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <002501c402cd$f20ac5c0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <00e201c40326$691745f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <40494124.8070303@visi.com> KISS Keep It Simple Sam Thats my moto when it comes to computers. The darn things are complicated enough. Sam. David Phillips wrote: >Matt Murphy writes: > > >>Ack, now I see what you were doing... Store your files in a >>database!!! >> >> > >That is a horrible idea. File systems work very well for storing files >(what a surprise). The trend of "stick everything into a database just >because we can" is counterproductive. There are times when storing files in >a database is the right solution, but this certainly isn't one of them. > >I think this entire incident is a great example of using the wrong tool for >the job. The OP is using PHP simply to include a few pages together. SSI >would be faster, more secure and have a clean URL structure that is >indexable by more search engines. It also has the advantage that the page >layout is not determined by the linking URL (which is quite silly). > >In general, think simple. In most cases, you don't get a better solution >than the simplest solution unless you go with a really complicated solution. >And in almost all cases the complicated solution is not worth it. > >Remember this quote by Albert Einstein: Everything should be made as simple >as possible, but not simpler. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Mar 5 21:16:59 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <40494124.8070303@visi.com> References: <002501c402cd$f20ac5c0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <00e201c40326$691745f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <40494124.8070303@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040306031659.GJ15992@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:10:28PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > KISS > > Keep It Simple Sam Sam = Stupid er, wait.. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 5 21:34:32 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <20040306031659.GJ15992@techmonkeys.org> References: <002501c402cd$f20ac5c0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <00e201c40326$691745f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <40494124.8070303@visi.com> <20040306031659.GJ15992@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040306033432.GT380@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Mar 5 22:46:09 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2129.192.1.1.23.1078548369.squirrel@dccmn.com> Hmmm. After digging on Doug's system, I found a little more. Apparently the PHP include statement can include files ON ANOTHER SYSTEM. Yep, the hacker put a script on tripod.com, then submitted a request to include it. The first time he/she attempted to download and compile a DOS client. No compiler installed. Then they tried running a perl script. Then apparently they just downloaded binaries to /tmp and ran them. The nerve of the guy... The good news is since PHP only runs as user Apache, there were limited places that they could write or run programs. No rootkits. He did leave a program called tty and bindtty (his clients), which I trashed, as well as all the other files he created (I scanned the entire system). I also ran a clean copy of ps and netstat to make sure there wasn't something else running. We all learn something everyday... Especially with Linux. Pastor Doug Coats said: > The answer is..... > > Me! > > I programmed our web page with a vital error. I passed a variable that > contained the name of a file to be opened is such a way that it could be > changed. So the hacker simply changed it to whatever file they wanted > to see and presto - I handed them my box. > > Good news - We find no evidence that they have capitalized on this > information yet. > > Bad news - I have to change everyone's passwords immediately. > > I fixed(with the help of a friend) the website by checking the variable > for a "/". If it contains that if simple kills the script. So now they > are locked into that directory. > > I will probably change it more so that the variable doesn't match the > exact file it is opening but I think the passwords come first. > > Thank you for everyone that helped out. I finally tracked what the > cracker was attempting to do in the httpd error logs and then duplicated > their efforts to my horror. > > Live and learn. > > Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Pastor Doug Coats > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:55 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] Attack > > > I am running Fedora Core1 and had an interesting attack show up in my > logs. > > Someone tried to ssh running through the entire list of users. > > My question is how did they get that list of valid users? There is no > evidence of simply trying random users - they knew every user. > > Is there something in Linux that would return a request for every user > name? > > Is there something I should have turned off so that cannot happen again? > > I blocked their IP address in IPTables but they can find a way around > that. And I would like to block anyone from trying something similar. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks All, > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Mar 5 22:50:34 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <20040306033432.GT380@iucha.net> References: <002501c402cd$f20ac5c0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <00e201c40326$691745f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <40494124.8070303@visi.com> <20040306031659.GJ15992@techmonkeys.org> <20040306033432.GT380@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20040306045034.GK15992@techmonkeys.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Mar 5 22:58:03 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <00db01c40324$79b5f390$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040305161134.GB1549@wookimus.net> <00db01c40324$79b5f390$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <2158.192.1.1.23.1078549083.squirrel@dccmn.com> Probably the best thing is to do something like: $index = array('index' => 'index.php', 'hs' => 'highschool.php', ...); if (isset($index[$_GET['body']]) { include($index[$_GET['body']]); } Then, only pages specifically listed in $index get included. David Phillips said: > Chad Walstrom writes: >> Can you build a dictionary list corresponding to the filenames so that >> the visible URL that people see is something like >> "http://domain.tld/location/FISH4310PREL2Q0OU", or submit the form >> variable as the hash. Then find the file based on the hash...? > > That's not a great method, because you then need to store a list of all > the hashes and their corresponding values. Unless you aren't using a > secure hash, in which case you are relying on security through > obscurity. > > What you want to do here is authenticate the filename passed. In other > words, you want to make sure that you generated the filename and it has > not been tampered with. > > To do this, use a secure hash function such as MD5 or SHA1. Pick a > random string to use as a key. Prepend this key to your filename and > generate a hash for the string. Include both the filename and the hash > as variables. To determine if a passed filename is trusted, perform the > same procedure as above and compare the generated hash to the passed > hash. If they match, it means the filename can be trusted. > > I actually wouldn't use this method here. In fact, it looks like the OP > should be using SSI instead of PHP. But at any rate, he is violating a > fundamental programming rule, especially for web applications: > > NEVER TRUST USER INPUT > > In his case, a simple basename() call would have prevented the problem. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Fri Mar 5 23:27:50 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Formalization (was Re: Debian SIG? SIGs in general?) In-Reply-To: <20040305173446.GA11998@refried.org> References: <20040305170409.GF1549@wookimus.net> <20040305173446.GA11998@refried.org> Message-ID: <200403052327.50905.jack@jacku.com> On Friday 05 March 2004 11:34 am, nate@refried.org wrote: > > Perhaps more than one Webmaster is what we need. Wiki anyone? ;-) > > Wiki or Zope would be my vote. Zope makes it easy to add accounts > without actually adding them to the box. Perhaps that would be a good > TCZPUG-TCLUG joint project, prototype a www.mn-linux.org replacement in > Zope. I think it would make a good presentation too. > > Nate > Plone2 is set for release RSN. RC6 is out and should become the official release but I saw some replys to Alan's post that imply there may be a very quick RC7 before its official. Plone2 adds some nifty new features to the design and function of Plone that should make administration through the web even easier. And for Chewie there is even a skin to adapt ZWiki into the the interface. ;-) For those who don't follow such things, Plone is a Zope based content management system based on Zope's Content Mgmt Framework or CMF. If there's time at the Saturday meeting I can show some examples of Plone sites I have access/control of if people are interested. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Mar 6 00:03:16 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <2129.192.1.1.23.1078548369.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <2129.192.1.1.23.1078548369.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20040306060316.GL15992@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 10:46:09PM -0600, Wayne Johnson wrote: > We all learn something everyday... Especially with Linux. I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Sat Mar 6 12:24:11 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (strayf@freeshell.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <20040306060316.GL15992@techmonkeys.org> References: <2129.192.1.1.23.1078548369.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20040306060316.GL15992@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040306182346.GA6097@amos.strayf.homeip.net> On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 12:03:16AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 10:46:09PM -0600, Wayne Johnson wrote: > > > We all learn something everyday... Especially with Linux. > > I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. I think the lesson is more that anything which is both easy and powerful is also dangerous. PHP isn't evil, you just have to keep your eyes open. -Steve _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Sat Mar 6 12:56:42 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO In-Reply-To: <20040304201235.7257.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: lilo -u should restore the original bootsector. On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Joel Dick wrote: > thanks for the help, I still have much to learn about linux. I downloaded > that linux bbc doot disk, wrote it to a CD-R and booted the laptop up with > that. > > This might be an odd request, but would it be possible to remove lilo and > just have the laptop boot to windows? *starts dodging rotten tomatos* > > I only ask that because this guy is a sales rep, has very little computer > knowledge, and inherited the laptop from the old IT guy here that ran > linux on it for home use. Basically this sales guy won't use linux, so why > have it there in case he ends up getting into it some day and messes his > machine up? > > If I remove lilo from the MBR, what will I need to do to make it boot into > windows? > > Thanks again, > Joel > > --- Tim Sinks wrote: > > There are several ways and problems to solve with this. > > 1. Erased LILO - Boot from CD - choose upgrade, proceed until after the > > part > > about partition, right after this hit Alt-F3 to get shell prompt. Enter > > - > > /mnt/sbin/lilo -r /mnt should see "adding Linux" > > reboot the computer > > 2. If not able to reinstall - At boot prompt enter - > > linux rescue > > enter - > > mount /dev/hdaX /mnt > > you'll be in root dir - enter > > /sbin/lilo > > it will overwrite the MBR > > enter contrl-D and reboot > > 3. Only get the L or LI - boot with a linux disk > > enter - /sbin/lilo -v -v > > check the error messages with the LILO Readme file - > > /usr/share/doc/lilo-version-#/README > > might be able to add linear or lba32 or compact in options of > > /etc/lilo/conf > > 4. Windows overwrites LILO or MBR - restart computer with bootable disk > > run LILOCONFIG from floppy drive > > If LILO was installed in superblock use FDISK command to activate the > > Linux > > partition. > > 5. Clear LILO from MBR > > enter - fdisk /mbr > > 6. LILO -- > > boot=/dev/hda > > map=/boot/map > > install=/boot/boot.b > > prompt > > timeout=100 > > other = /dev/hda1 > > label = dos > > table = /dev/hda > > image=linux or /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.30-2.9 ( your version of > > linux) > > root=/dev/hda3 > > read-only > > > > If you can get to reboot the computer into Linux, just go through the > > LILO > > configuration procedure to reload the LILO. Always carry a linux boot > > disk. > > I never leave home without one. Once you are in Linux you can fix most > > anything. Also, check the Linux version knowledgebase for your flavor > > and > > the linuxquestions.org and linuxdocumentationproject site. These have > > many > > problem and instruction sheets for download - clean them up and put them > > on > > a floppy or CD for emergencies. I also have a large notebook with these > > printed out. > > Thanks, > > Tim Sinks > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joel Dick" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:51 AM > > Subject: [TCLUG] Boot Issue on a laptop using LILO > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > Ran into a problem today, wondering if anyone knows a solution. One of > > the > > > guys at work has a laptop that had linux loaded on it a few years ago > > > (using lilo, set to default boot to windows). Yesterday, he turned his > > > computer on, it booted up to a blank screen, so he brought it in > > today, I > > > tried booting it up, and the farthest I get is that it gets past the > > bios > > > screen, goes to LILO, but all you see of the LILO prompt is "LI" and > > then > > > it's just stuck. I'm thinking the MBR might have gotten corrupted. > > Does > > > anyone know of a way to fix this problem? I'm assuming I need to boot > > up > > > with a floppy, but have no idea on a good utility to use/etc. > > > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Joel > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you?re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Sat Mar 6 13:29:31 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack References: <2129.192.1.1.23.1078548369.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20040306060316.GL15992@techmonkeys.org> <20040306182346.GA6097@amos.strayf.homeip.net> Message-ID: <404A269B.5010604@structural-wood.com> strayf@freeshell.org wrote: > On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 12:03:16AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > >>On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 10:46:09PM -0600, Wayne Johnson wrote: >> >> >>>We all learn something everyday... Especially with Linux. >> >>I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. > > > I think the lesson is more that anything which is both easy and powerful is > also dangerous. PHP isn't evil, you just have to keep your eyes open. > > -Steve If I'm understanding what happened correctly, Pastor Doug Coats made a PHP programming error, which resulted in a *unique* security hole on his system. Someone, possibly from the Phillipines, then discovered this hole and used it to grab the passwd file. My question is, how was the hole detected? How long was the hole open before it was discovered? Is there something that made detecting the hole easy or ??? Is cracker detection coverage of the web really as complete as this incident seems to imply? Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Sat Mar 6 13:40:46 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. Message-ID: <404A293E.4020009@umn.edu> Josh >>I did what Josh said (except I changed 3 to "3") and my mouse wheel >> works fine now (thanks Josh). > Oops, typo. Hope that didn't sidetrack you too much. I figured it out pretty quick. >> I got no output with either. I didn't do what Josh said to do yet >> regarding audio, but I will soon. Ok, I put that stuff in /etc/modules.conf (I didn't have anything there before), it had problems with lines 4, 5, and 6. For line 4 it didn't like snd_device_gid, in line 5 it didn't like snd_mpu_port, and in line 6 it didn't like device_gid. #ALSA setting counts as line 1. > What's the output of: > > uname -a > ls -1 /var/log/packages/*alsa* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13545 Feb 25 16:36 /var/log/packages/alsa-driver-0.9.6-i486-3 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3036 Feb 25 16:37 /var/log/packages/alsa-lib-0.9.6-i486-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 955 Feb 25 16:37 /var/log/packages/alsa-oss-0.9.6-i486-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1359 Feb 25 16:30 /var/log/packages/alsa-utils-0.9.6-i486-1 > ls -1 /lib/modules/ total 4 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 2.4.22/ > ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/ total 36 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 acore/ drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 drivers/ drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 i2c/ drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 isa/ drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 pci/ drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 pcmcia/ drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 support/ drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 synth/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 usb/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Sat Mar 6 13:40:43 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404A293B.7090009@umn.edu> Andrei > Thats strange. That only means that there is no ALSO sound system in your > kernel, or the kernel module for it is not being loaded. > > Did you compile your kernel? No, but I just downloaded 2.6.3 and was going to compile, what can you suggest? Is it better to fix it now, or after I install the new kernel? >>While I'm at it I'll ask this as well. I've used the blackbox and >>fluxbox window managers on slackware and I like them alot. The only >>problem is, they can be very slow doing certain actions. dragging a >>window around when windows are set to opaque drives my X cpu percentage >>to about 95% and it's very slow with a large lag time. Likewise, >>opening menus on windows and scrolling up and down with my mouse or the >>arrow keys is very slow. I'll ask the bb and fb people about this, but >>do you know why it's so slow or how to fix it? I've used bb 0.65.0, fb >>0.1.14 and 0.9.8. Gnome and Kde haven't had any problems in this >>regard. I have an amd k6-2 500 MHz and 192 megs of sdram. > > > I have been using fluxbox for a long time too, but I never use the opaque windo > moving feature. I think I did before, but havent had any of the problems you > described. > > If you installed fluxbox from a binary package, then concider compiling it from > source. I have had problems for some software (like screen) where compiling it > from source would magically solve the problem. I used the precompiled binary for 0.1.14, I compiled 0.9.8 myself, same problem. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 6 14:07:29 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <404A269B.5010604@structural-wood.com> References: <2129.192.1.1.23.1078548369.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20040306060316.GL15992@techmonkeys.org> <20040306182346.GA6097@amos.strayf.homeip.net> <404A269B.5010604@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <2739.192.1.1.23.1078603649.squirrel@dccmn.com> We've found this guy has been probing us for several days, from IP address from the Phillipines, Brazil, France, Texas, and who knows where else. Looks like he has a whole network of hiding places. The URL of the site would contain strings like http://index.php?body=mrnelson.php. This made it pretty obvoius that this was being used to include further text. I believe the same problem was found in PHPNuke, so it's not that original (sorry, Doug). PHP isn't evil, but it sure makes it a lot easier to shoot off your own foot. Kent Schumacher said: > > > strayf@freeshell.org wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 12:03:16AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >> >>>On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 10:46:09PM -0600, Wayne Johnson wrote: >>> >>> >>>>We all learn something everyday... Especially with Linux. >>> >>>I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. >> >> >> I think the lesson is more that anything which is both easy and >> powerful is also dangerous. PHP isn't evil, you just have to keep your >> eyes open. >> >> -Steve > > If I'm understanding what happened correctly, Pastor Doug Coats made a > PHP programming error, which resulted in a *unique* security hole on his > system. > > Someone, possibly from the Phillipines, then discovered this hole and > used it to grab the passwd file. > > My question is, how was the hole detected? How long was the hole open > before it was discovered? Is there something that made detecting the > hole easy or ??? > > Is cracker detection coverage of the web really as complete as this > incident seems to imply? > > Kent > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Mar 6 14:07:49 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse wheel doesn't work on slackware. In-Reply-To: <404A293E.4020009@umn.edu> References: <404A293E.4020009@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040306140749.00004dcb@schubert> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 13:40:46 -0600 Joe Dunsmore wrote: > Ok, I put that stuff in /etc/modules.conf (I didn't have anything > there before), it had problems with lines 4, 5, and 6. For line 4 > it didn't like snd_device_gid, in line 5 it didn't like > snd_mpu_port, and in line 6 it didn't like device_gid. #ALSA > setting counts as line 1. Well, unless your sound card is the same as mine a direct copy/paste of my modules.conf will do you little good. You need to go to Alsa's website (http://www.alsa-project.org) and look up your sound card (the Supported Soundcards link) and determine what to put in your modules.conf. What is your sound card? Mine was for an ancient Gateway laptop, built in, so it's pretty much a given that your settings will be different. > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13545 Feb 25 16:36 > /var/log/packages/alsa-driver-0.9.6-i486-3 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3036 Feb 25 16:37 > /var/log/packages/alsa-lib-0.9.6-i486-1 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 955 Feb 25 16:37 > /var/log/packages/alsa-oss-0.9.6-i486-1 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1359 Feb 25 16:30 > /var/log/packages/alsa-utils-0.9.6-i486-1 > > > ls -1 /lib/modules/ > > total 4 > drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 2.4.22/ > > > ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/ > > total 36 > drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 acore/ > drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 drivers/ > drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 i2c/ > drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 isa/ > drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 pci/ > drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 pcmcia/ > drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 support/ > drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 synth/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 29 2003 usb/ Ok, that all looks good, you probably just need the right modules.conf settings. If you look at /var/log/packages/alsa-driver-0.9.6-i486-3 you'll notice that it drops a bunch of files in /lib/modules/2.4.22/kernel/sound, so if you decide to compile a new kernel, I believe you'll also need to rebuild the alsa driver (you can get the source from the alsa website). Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From levay at visi.com Sat Mar 6 17:45:12 2004 From: levay at visi.com (Craig LeVay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for Linux and Amiga user!! In-Reply-To: <20040306182346.GA6097@amos.strayf.homeip.net> References: <2129.192.1.1.23.1078548369.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20040306060316.GL15992@techmonkeys.org> <20040306182346.GA6097@amos.strayf.homeip.net> Message-ID: Is there someone on the board who is an Amiga and Linux user that was to Raymond Computer last week looking for an expansion board? He did not leave his name but was looking for a board for his A1200. Raymond has the board yet and it is still for sale so contact him. The man did not leave a name or phone number but has an A1200 and linux machine. Craig LeVay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun Mar 7 04:36:49 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> Mailing lists are such a horrible ugly anachronistic hack, from the days before everyone could easily get at usenet news, much less set up their own independent NNTP servers. Topic filters just seem like further layers of hacks on top of a hack. There is no excuse in this day and age for such hackery! Hey Bob, can I get your blessing to put tclug-list on gmane.org? We could even get the archive imported: http://www.gmane.org/import.php Looks like we should be gmane.user-groups.linux.tclug Now what would be neat is if we could just set up g.u.l.tclug.debian, g.u.l.tclug.fedora, etc. But with gmane we'd have to set up seperate mailing lists to back them. If we were running on a real NNTP server... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Mar 7 10:05:26 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> Message-ID: <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Mar 7 13:21:27 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Except for the fact that news servers aren't as popular as you seem to > be proporting. With the exception of gmane.org, access to news servers > is rarely unlimited. In order to use Visi's, the U of MN's, or Sihopes, > you have to either ask for an account (and pay), or have an existing > account. gmane.org, googlegroups give free access to most newsgroups. most, if not all, ISPs have a news feed that said ISPs customers can use for free. it seems to me that the reason usenet is not as popular anymore is because it is such a bandwidth sink, no matter how much you throw at it, it always wants more. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Mar 7 13:12:10 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040307191210.GS15992@techmonkeys.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Mar 7 13:32:17 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403071932.i27JWHE03209@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want for Free Subject: I need a computer I need a computer with a modem and all parts of the computer should work properly. Kindly contact through email. Thanks. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sun Mar 7 14:25:18 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> (message from Chad Walstrom on Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:05:26 -0600) References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200403072025.i27KPIe10755@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 04:36:49AM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: >> Hey Bob, can I get your blessing to put tclug-list on gmane.org? >> We could even get the archive imported: http://www.gmane.org/import.php >> Looks like we should be gmane.user-groups.linux.tclug >> Now what would be neat is if we could just set up g.u.l.tclug.debian, >> g.u.l.tclug.fedora, etc. But with gmane we'd have to set up separate >> mailing lists to back them. If we were running on a real NNTP server... Chad Walstrom wrote: >But the reason we don't want to create new mailing list for SIGs is so >we don't break the group up. The GMANE idea sounds cool, but I'm not >sure we need to have a g.u.l.tclug.{SIG} set at all. We have four lists >already "list", "announce", "jobs", and "devel". That leaves >g.u.l.tclug, g.u.l.tclug.jobs, g.u.l.tclug.devel, g.u.l.tclug.announce Rather than argue the pros and cons of mailing lists versus newsgroups, we could consider using both. GNU mailman has a good bi-directional gateway to a specific newsgroup and newsgroup server. For TCLUG use, a single news server requiring each user to have or open a free account might be advisable. Ideally, the mailing list accounts and news server accounts would be the same, but for now duplicate accounts may be needed. (GNU mailman has or will have an official release with a single account per user of all its mailing lists rather than a single account per user and per mailing list as has been the case.) This would allow users the choice of using a news client or an e-mail client for participating in TCLUG "mailing lists". (This is in addition to some news clients' and some e-mail clients' ability to present a mailing list with threads as though it was a newsgroup.) One doesn't have to stop here. One could even provide a web based forum(s) with an nntp or smtp gateway to a newsgroup or mailing list. The TCLUG mailing lists could then be easily accessed via e-mail, news and web clients using the protocols appropriate to each of these three venues of TCLUG "mailing list" content. However, since this would likely (easily) be done using one mailing list server, one news server and one web server, there is no multiple server advantage such as USENET with multiple news servers sharing newsgroup content. Thus, all this does is provide three different interfaces to the same content. Since e-mail is still the most widely used of these three interfaces and TCLUG fully supports it, there is no pressing need to support the other two. Whether we stick with mailing lists only or not, we need to consider the advisability of using GNU mailman topic filters and how that could be extended to the possible use of news and web clients in the future. It would be nice to set the filter in one place and have it work for e-mail clients, news (using nntp) clients and web (using http) clients. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Mar 7 15:19:49 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <20040307191210.GS15992@techmonkeys.org> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> <20040307191210.GS15992@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040307211949.GA12666@botwerks.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Mar 7 16:07:25 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <20040307191210.GS15992@techmonkeys.org> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> <20040307191210.GS15992@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040307220725.GB19679@wookimus.net> On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 01:12:10PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Cease your whining and pull whatever you have up your ass *out* Consider yourself killfiled. Have a nice day. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Mar 7 16:50:58 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <20040307220725.GB19679@wookimus.net> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> <20040307191210.GS15992@techmonkeys.org> <20040307220725.GB19679@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040307225058.GT15992@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 04:07:25PM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Consider yourself killfiled. Have a nice day. Thank you for conceding. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun Mar 7 18:13:09 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <200403072025.i27KPIe10755@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> <200403072025.i27KPIe10755@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1078704788.3398.5394.camel@bigtime> > Rather than argue the pros and cons of mailing lists versus newsgroups, > we could consider using both. GNU mailman has a good bi-directional > gateway to a specific newsgroup and newsgroup server. This is what gmane.org does. You just subscribe it to the list and it handles the rest. No further upkeep needed... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun Mar 7 19:16:49 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1078708608.3398.5522.camel@bigtime> On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 10:05, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 04:36:49AM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Mailing lists are such a horrible ugly anachronistic hack, from the > > days before everyone could easily get at usenet news, much less set up > > their own independent NNTP servers. Topic filters just seem like > > further layers of hacks on top of a hack. There is no excuse in this > > day and age for such hackery! > > Except for the fact that news servers aren't as popular as you seem to > be proporting. With the exception of gmane.org, access to news servers > is rarely unlimited. In order to use Visi's, the U of MN's, or Sihopes, > you have to either ask for an account (and pay), or have an existing > account. A large interconnected usenet network is also an anachronism from the stone age when many people weren't directly connected to the internet, but using UUCP or some other store and forward network for email and news. Heck, Usenet originated on UUCP, not TCP/IP networks... These days EVERYONE is on the internet, you can set up your own NNTP server with your own groups, and it will be accessible to everyone. You don't have to carry or have anything to do with usenet itself. Usenet is an anachronism, a spam filled wasteland that deserves to die. But the technology behind it (NNTP) is underrated and underutilized. Decades of development has gone into development of servers and clients. Its there, its mature, why use a hack like mailing lists when something more appropriate is available? (okay so I haven't looked at NNTP servers lately. I would hope there's some reasonably easy to use news server for small private use by now...) > News servers can be cool, but they're by no means "better than mailing > lists". Are too! > But the reason we don't want to create new mailing list for SIGs is so > we don't break the group up. The GMANE idea sounds cool, but I'm not > sure we need to have a g.u.l.tclug.{SIG} set at all. We have four lists > already "list", "announce", "jobs", and "devel". That leaves > g.u.l.tclug, g.u.l.tclug.jobs, g.u.l.tclug.devel, g.u.l.tclug.announce > > I think that's quite enough, don't you? I'm confused as to what the filter thing is supposed to accomplish. It seems like something better done in a mail client. Convincing people to use keywords in the subject isn't a bad idea, lots of other mailing lists do this, but filtering in the list server seems like more trouble than its worth. Its primarily a social problem/solution. The real problem is overhead. Creating a new mailing list requires convincing people to subscribe, which is a slow complex process of verification. Then you'll most likely want to set up new mail filters to sort it into its own mailbox... All this makes people very reluctant to join a new list. Archives are hard to find, use, and search. Few people join, and the list dies. Look at how much use tclug-devel gets. Now in a news server, joining a new group consists of clicking a checkbox in a client. You can much more freely categorize things up into tclug.newbiehelp, tclug.devel, tclug.debian, tclug.offtopicbullshit, etc WITHOUT 'splitting up the group'. Anyway for the short term gmane is a great solution. Will anyone be horribly offended if I submit tclug to it? I still want to hear from Bob or his minions at real time since they'll to deal with any initial problems and getting the archives merged would be neat... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Mar 7 19:42:34 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <1078708608.3398.5522.camel@bigtime> References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> <1078708608.3398.5522.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Anyway for the short term gmane is a great solution. Will anyone be > horribly offended if I submit tclug to it? I still want to hear from Bob > or his minions at real time since they'll to deal with any initial > problems and getting the archives merged would be neat... Minions! hrumph. real-time != tclug. I think this question is more for Clay Fandre than anybody else. Bob and everybody else at Real-Time have made it a policy to not interfere in tclug politics. Personally I think it would be awesome if i could use tin to read tclug. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Mar 8 09:23:38 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <00e201c40326$691745f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <005901c40521$545d3230$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > That is a horrible idea. File systems work very well for > storing files (what a surprise). Originally I thought he was referring to files the users had uploaded. After finding out what was actually going on, I agree. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Mar 8 09:26:56 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <20040306060316.GL15992@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <005a01c40521$cad590b0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. LOL, how's that oh wise one? You can do stupid things in ASP too, does that make it evil? Sometimes we need to be able to do stupid things to have the freedom to do good things. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Mon Mar 8 09:40:20 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If the url is such a problem, then why not use POST instead of GET? And if there is a problem of debugging what pages are being viewed, then use print_r($_POST); to see what was loaded. -Josh -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:07 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Cc: kent@structural-wood.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Attack We've found this guy has been probing us for several days, from IP address from the Phillipines, Brazil, France, Texas, and who knows where else. Looks like he has a whole network of hiding places. The URL of the site would contain strings like http://index.php?body=mrnelson.php. This made it pretty obvoius that this was being used to include further text. I believe the same problem was found in PHPNuke, so it's not that original (sorry, Doug). PHP isn't evil, but it sure makes it a lot easier to shoot off your own foot. Kent Schumacher said: > > > strayf@freeshell.org wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 12:03:16AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >> >>>On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 10:46:09PM -0600, Wayne Johnson wrote: >>> >>> >>>>We all learn something everyday... Especially with Linux. >>> >>>I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. >> >> >> I think the lesson is more that anything which is both easy and >> powerful is also dangerous. PHP isn't evil, you just have to keep your >> eyes open. >> >> -Steve > > If I'm understanding what happened correctly, Pastor Doug Coats made a > PHP programming error, which resulted in a *unique* security hole on his > system. > > Someone, possibly from the Phillipines, then discovered this hole and > used it to grab the passwd file. > > My question is, how was the hole detected? How long was the hole open > before it was discovered? Is there something that made detecting the > hole easy or ??? > > Is cracker detection coverage of the web really as complete as this > incident seems to imply? > > Kent > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Mar 8 10:03:46 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack Message-ID: >>> "Matt Murphy" 03/08/04 09:26AM >>> >> I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. >You can do stupid things in ASP too, >does that make it evil? Yes! ;-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Mar 8 10:49:47 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <005a01c40521$cad590b0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <20040306060316.GL15992@techmonkeys.org> <005a01c40521$cad590b0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <20040308164947.GW15992@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:26:56AM -0600, Matt Murphy wrote: > > I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. > > LOL, how's that oh wise one? You can do stupid things in ASP > too, does that make it evil? Yes. Use a decent programming language. PHP not only gives you the ability to shoot yourself in the foot, it gives you the ammo and pulls the trigger for you. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Mar 8 11:21:03 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <20040308164947.GW15992@techmonkeys.org> References: <20040306060316.GL15992@techmonkeys.org> <005a01c40521$cad590b0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <20040308164947.GW15992@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040308172103.GA14535@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Monday, Mar 08, 2004), Matthew S. Hallacy was madly tapping out: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:26:56AM -0600, Matt Murphy wrote: > > > I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. > > > > LOL, how's that oh wise one? You can do stupid things in ASP > > too, does that make it evil? > > Yes. > > Use a decent programming language. PHP not only gives you the > ability to shoot yourself in the foot, it gives you the ammo and > pulls the trigger for you. all programming languages of any power/flexibility do this. it's not the responsibility of the programming language to prevent the user from shooting themselves in the foot, merely to insure the reliable delivery of bullet to said foot. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Mon Mar 8 11:34:35 2004 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <20040308172103.GA14535@botwerks.org> Message-ID: Can we aim at someone else's foot for a while, mine is really starting to hurt. %) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of steve ulrich Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:21 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Attack when last we saw our hero (Monday, Mar 08, 2004), Matthew S. Hallacy was madly tapping out: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:26:56AM -0600, Matt Murphy wrote: > > > I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. > > > > LOL, how's that oh wise one? You can do stupid things in ASP > > too, does that make it evil? > > Yes. > > Use a decent programming language. PHP not only gives you the > ability to shoot yourself in the foot, it gives you the ammo and > pulls the trigger for you. all programming languages of any power/flexibility do this. it's not the responsibility of the programming language to prevent the user from shooting themselves in the foot, merely to insure the reliable delivery of bullet to said foot. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Mon Mar 8 11:46:30 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't startx on debian. Message-ID: <404CB176.7050401@umn.edu> So I installed debian 3.0r1 yesterday. The install went fine, though I had to answer some questions I didn't understand. When I try to startx, it fails, though command line mode works fine. doing startx 2>x results in this being written to x, I don't understand the errors, can anyone help me out?: warning: process set to nice value 0 instead of -10 as requested This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any way. Bugs may be reported to XFree86@XFree86.Org and patches submitted to fixes@XFree86.Org. Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions, please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository (http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs) XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510) Release Date: 21 December 2001 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.17 i686 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Mon Mar 8 00:22:41 2004 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) ServerLayout "Default Layout" (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Generic Monitor" (**) | |-->Device "Generic Video Card" (**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard" (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" (**) XKB: model: "pc104" (**) XKB: layout: "us" (**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse" (**) |-->Input Device "Generic Mouse" (WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" (==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (--) using VT number 7 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 0.1.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 0.1.0 (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) Trident CyberBlade/i7 rev 93, Mem @ 0x40000000/23, 0x41000000/17, 0x40800000/23 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a (II) Module GLcore: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a (II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a (II) Module ddc: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a (II) Module dri: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.a (II) Module drm: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a (II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a (II) Module freetype: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.1.9 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a (II) Module glx: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a (II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libpex5.a (II) Module pex5: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/librecord.a (II) Module record: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.13.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a (II) Module speedo: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libtype1.a (II) Module type1: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvbe.a (II) Module vbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libxie.a (II) Module xie: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.o (II) Module vesa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o (II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset vesa found (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a (II) Module vgahw: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 0.1.0 (II) VESA(0): initializing int10 (II) VESA(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (II) VESA(0): VESA BIOS detected (**) VESA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 24 (==) VESA(0): RGB weight 888 (==) VESA(0): Default visual is TrueColor (==) VESA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC supported (II) VESA(0): Manufacturer: CPQ Model: 3025 Serial#: 1177694518 (II) VESA(0): Year: 2000 Week: 21 (II) VESA(0): EDID Version: 1.1 (II) VESA(0): Analog Display Input, Input Voltage Level: 0.700/0.700 V (II) VESA(0): Sync: Separate (II) VESA(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 29 vert.: 21 (II) VESA(0): Gamma: 2.88 (II) VESA(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off; RGB/Color Display (II) VESA(0): redX: 0.619 redY: 0.347 greenX: 0.308 greenY: 0.591 (II) VESA(0): blueX: 0.144 blueY: 0.059 whiteX: 0.281 whiteY: 0.311 (II) VESA(0): Supported VESA Video Modes: (II) VESA(0): 720x400@70Hz (II) VESA(0): 640x480@60Hz (II) VESA(0): 640x480@75Hz (II) VESA(0): 800x600@60Hz (II) VESA(0): 800x600@75Hz (II) VESA(0): 1024x768@60Hz (II) VESA(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0 (II) VESA(0): Supported Future Video Modes: (II) VESA(0): #0: hsize: 640 vsize 480 refresh: 85 vid: 22833 (II) VESA(0): #1: hsize: 800 vsize 600 refresh: 85 vid: 22853 (II) VESA(0): Supported additional Video Mode: (II) VESA(0): clock: 25.2 MHz Image Size: 262 x 196 mm (II) VESA(0): h_active: 640 h_sync: 656 h_sync_end 752 h_blank_end 800 h_border: 0 (II) VESA(0): v_active: 350 v_sync: 387 v_sync_end 389 v_blanking: 449 v_border: 0 (II) VESA(0): Ranges: V min: 50 V max: 120 Hz, H min: 30 H max: 54 kHz, PixClock max 70 MHz (II) VESA(0): Serial No: 021BE43XF216 (II) VESA(0): Monitor name: COMPAQ MV520 (++) VESA(0): DPI set to (100, 100) (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". Please report problems to submit@bugs.debian.org. XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Mar 8 11:48:22 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <20040308172103.GA14535@botwerks.org> References: <20040306060316.GL15992@techmonkeys.org> <005a01c40521$cad590b0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <20040308164947.GW15992@techmonkeys.org> <20040308172103.GA14535@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20040308174822.GA2280@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:21:03AM -0600, steve ulrich wrote: > it's not the responsibility of the programming language to prevent the > user from shooting themselves in the foot, merely to insure the > reliable delivery of bullet to said foot. > AOL. A language that keeps you from shooting yourself in the foot is no use at all when your foot turns EVIL and you have to BLOW IT OFF. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crspam at comcast.net Mon Mar 8 12:59:29 2004 From: crspam at comcast.net (spam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <20040308164947.GW15992@techmonkeys.org> References: <20040306060316.GL15992@techmonkeys.org> <005a01c40521$cad590b0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <20040308164947.GW15992@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <404CC291.1050003@comcast.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Mar 8 13:16:00 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack Message-ID: >>> crspam@comcast.net 03/08/04 12:59PM >>> >>Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >>On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:26:56AM -0600, Matt Murphy wrote: >>>>Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >>>>I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. >>>LOL, how's that oh wise one? You can do stupid things in ASP >>>too, does that make it evil? >>Yes. >you can smash your thumb with a hammer too, >does this mean hammers are evil? Yes. Hammers are evil, and nails too. "How evil are they?" is a better question. ;-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Mon Mar 8 13:39:18 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't startx on debian. In-Reply-To: <404CB176.7050401@umn.edu> References: <404CB176.7050401@umn.edu> Message-ID: <404CCBE6.40900@info9.net> Joe Dunsmore wrote: > So I installed debian 3.0r1 yesterday. The install went fine, though I ... > XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System .... > no screens found Probably the first thing you want to decide is which version you want to use. I'm currently using unstable (== sid) and I'm very happy with it's stability (despite it's name). X is now up to version 4.3.0 which is perhaps the first thing to try (if you decide to go to a newer version). I don't have an authoritative list of references, but these three come to mind: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (older, may predate some newer installers above) http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6742 Then, once you get a modern X environment you need to configure X for your graphics adapter. You may use devices like vesa or svga for debugging until you get an optimized driver (built or loaded). (Configuring the screen/device in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 will fix the the "no screens found" problem). HTH, --Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Mar 8 13:49:20 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack References: Message-ID: <404CCE40.2070209@structural-wood.com> Troy.A Johnson wrote: >>>>crspam@comcast.net 03/08/04 12:59PM >>> >>> >>>Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >>>On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:26:56AM -0600, Matt Murphy wrote: >>> >>>>>Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >>>>>I hope one of the lessons learned is that PHP is evil. >>>> >>>>LOL, how's that oh wise one? You can do stupid things in ASP >>>>too, does that make it evil? >>> >>>Yes. >> >>you can smash your thumb with a hammer too, >>does this mean hammers are evil? > > > Yes. Hammers are evil, and nails too. > "How evil are they?" is a better question. ;-) > Well, they are VERY evil. You need to use screws. Screws are good. Screws are nice. I think I'll have a screwdriver (on ice). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy.schmid at astound.net Mon Mar 8 14:18:46 2004 From: andy.schmid at astound.net (Andy Schmid) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] trying to disable sshd PasswordAuthentication Message-ID: Hello, Ive been attempting to disable password authentication for my sshd server but my config file settings dont seem to be doing the trick. Im trying to only allow protocol 2 with key based authentication, although it keeps on accepting my text password. Any ideas on what I'm missing here? ----- /etc/ssh/sshd_config -------- # $OpenBSD: sshd_config,v 1.59 2002/09/25 11:17:16 markus Exp $ # $FreeBSD: src/crypto/openssh/sshd_config,v 1.4.2.13 2003/09/24 19:28:35 des Exp $ # This is the sshd server system-wide configuration file. See # sshd_config(5) for more information. # This sshd was compiled with PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin # The strategy used for options in the default sshd_config shipped with # OpenSSH is to specify options with their default value where # possible, but leave them commented. Uncommented options change a # default value. # Note that some of FreeBSD's defaults differ from OpenBSD's, and # FreeBSD has a few additional options. #VersionAddendum FreeBSD-20030924 #Port 22 Protocol 2 #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 #ListenAddress :: # HostKey for protocol version 1 #HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key # HostKeys for protocol version 2 #HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key # Lifetime and size of ephemeral version 1 server key #KeyRegenerationInterval 3600 #ServerKeyBits 768 # Logging #obsoletes QuietMode and FascistLogging #SyslogFacility AUTH #LogLevel INFO # Authentication: #LoginGraceTime 120 PermitRootLogin no #StrictModes yes #RSAAuthentication yes PubkeyAuthentication yes AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys # rhosts authentication should not be used #RhostsAuthentication no # Don't read the user's ~/.rhosts and ~/.shosts files #IgnoreRhosts yes # For this to work you will also need host keys in /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts #RhostsRSAAuthentication no # similar for protocol version 2 #HostbasedAuthentication no # Change to yes if you don't trust ~/.ssh/known_hosts for # RhostsRSAAuthentication and HostbasedAuthentication #IgnoreUserKnownHosts no # To disable tunneled clear text passwords, change to no here! PasswordAuthentication no PermitEmptyPasswords no # Change to no to disable PAM authentication #ChallengeResponseAuthentication no # Kerberos options #KerberosAuthentication no #KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes #KerberosTicketCleanup yes #AFSTokenPassing no # Kerberos TGT Passing only works with the AFS kaserver #KerberosTgtPassing no #X11Forwarding yes #X11DisplayOffset 10 #X11UseLocalhost yes #PrintMotd yes #PrintLastLog yes #KeepAlive yes #UseLogin no #UsePrivilegeSeparation yes #PermitUserEnvironment no #Compression yes #MaxStartups 10 # no default banner path #Banner /some/path #VerifyReverseMapping no # override default of no subsystems Subsystem sftp /usr/libexec/sftp-server ----- end file ------ -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Fri Mar 5 19:36:17 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:38 2005 Subject: [DSIG] Re: [TCLUG] Debian SIG? SIGs in general? In-Reply-To: <20040305164223.GE1549@wookimus.net> Message-ID: I only propose it because I haven't been able to open my schedule from the kids to make a regular meeting (or beermeeting) for over a year now. The Home entertainment system meeting was the last one I was able to make time for. Tuesdays I can make. On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 08:58:56PM -0600, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > I propose that the Debian SIG of TCLUG meet on the third Tuesday of the > > month, location TBD. SIG traffic to the main mailing list could be > > tagged [DSIG], and if traffic exceeds reasonable load on the main list > > we add a DSIG list (I have multiple domains to host from, I'm sure > > others could oblige as well). > > Daniel, if topic filters will be enabled, you don't need to add the []. > Simply place the word debian in the "Subject" or "Keywords" headers. If > you think DSIG is more appropriate, so be it. It could be added as > well. The flexibility is in the regular expression matching for Python > and mailman. DSIG, DEBSIG, Debian. It all can be matched. > > I'm not really in favor of having regularily scheduled meetings separate > from TCLUG meetings. The idea is to not break up the group. I barely > make TCLUG meetings as it is, but I would be far more amiable to meet > SIG's after or as part of the general TCLUG meeting. > > If it is determined that the Debian SIG meet at separate times, I will > have to retract my offer to Chair. > > -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Mon Mar 8 15:34:52 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? Message-ID: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> I'm trying to get VMware 4.05 installed in my laptop and it continuously locks up after formatting the drive space whether it's Windows 2k or XP. The VMware FAQ says make sure you have kernel support for: Real Time Clock and CONFIG_PARPORT_PC I believe both of these are part of the stock SuSE 9 Kernel but i wanted to make sure before i call VMware. Can anyone suggest how to check this? Thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 8 16:10:18 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? In-Reply-To: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> References: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Message-ID: <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 03:34:52PM -0600, Mike Partyka wrote: > I'm trying to get VMware 4.05 installed in my laptop and it continuously > locks up after formatting the drive space whether it's Windows 2k or XP. > > The VMware FAQ says make sure you have kernel support for: > > Real Time Clock > and > CONFIG_PARPORT_PC > > I believe both of these are part of the stock SuSE 9 Kernel but i > wanted to make sure before i call VMware. What does your /boot/config-`uname -r` say? Grep through that for the appropriate strings. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Mar 8 16:23:47 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SIIG UltraATA 133 PCI Model #CN2487 Message-ID: <20040308162347.70ce48bf.sfertch@real-time.com> I did a Google search as well as went to SIIG's website, but not finding an answer to whether or not someone has them working within Linux. Anyone locally been able to get one of these working with stability? If so, any gotchas, & possibly some info on what needs to be done to get them to work? There was a post for this particular card, but didn't seem like an answer, only a very similar question. That was dated June/July of 2002. Thanks. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 8 17:20:12 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SIIG UltraATA 133 PCI Model #CN2487 In-Reply-To: <20040308162347.70ce48bf.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040308162347.70ce48bf.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040308232012.GN27399@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Mon Mar 8 19:21:27 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SIIG UltraATA 133 PCI Model #CN2487 In-Reply-To: <20040308162347.70ce48bf.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040308162347.70ce48bf.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <28593122.20040308192127@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Monday, March 8, 2004 @ 7:30:31 PM Central Standard Time S> I did a Google search as well as went to SIIG's website, but not S> finding an answer to whether or not someone has them working within S> Linux. Anyone locally been able to get one of these working with S> stability? If so, any gotchas, & possibly some info on what needs to S> be done to get them to work? I believe I may have been the person who sent that message you are referring to. If not, I sent quite a colorful request for help last summer trying to get that same Siig pci card working on a Slackware box. The group was unable to help me at that time, & I was unable to get the card working on Linux (tried like 3 or 4 different distro's) then. I am happy to report the following: Siig ATA/133 pci works great with Linux now. As of the 2.6.N release of the kernel, they have included driver options for this card (chipset actually). I have not looked, but I do not believe their are drivers for the 2.4.N kernel...not sure. I know their was no support in the past. I am using this card on a slackware-current box, with the 2.6.3 kernel. No problems to report. I would imagine running the 2.6.N kernel on your favorite distro would work great as well with that card. Other than the kernel, you shouldn't have to do anything special to get it to work. Just note that the Primary master on the card would be /dev/hde, pri slave /dev/hdf, & so on. Also, just use hard disks on the siig card & no cd-roms, or your install will surely fail. Hope that helps you. Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Mar 8 20:24:46 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting topic idea: SPF Message-ID: <20040308202446.05149a88@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> While it's not directly Linux related, I was thinking that it'd be nice to have someone give a presentation on SPF: http://spf.pobox.com/ at a TCLUG meeting. A couple of the email/anti-spam lists I'm on have really heated debates on SPF so it seems to be a touchy issue. Unfortunately I'm not qualified to talk about it... Any thoughts? If not a TCLUG meeting topic, maybe just a thread on the ML? Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Mar 8 20:26:57 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SIIG UltraATA 133 PCI Model #CN2487 In-Reply-To: <28593122.20040308192127@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <20040308162347.70ce48bf.sfertch@real-time.com> <28593122.20040308192127@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <20040308202657.4026f063.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:21:27 -0600 B_o_B wrote: > I believe I may have been the person who sent that message you are > referring to. If not, I sent quite a colorful request for help last > summer trying to get that same Siig pci card working on a > Slackware box. The group was unable to help me at that time, & I > was unable to get the card working on Linux (tried like 3 or 4 > different distro's) then. > This yours? http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=cn2487 > I am happy to report the following: > > I am using this card on a slackware-current box, > with the 2.6.3 kernel. No problems to report. > I would imagine running the 2.6.N kernel on your > favorite distro would work great as well with that card. > > Other than the kernel, you shouldn't have to do anything special to > get it to work. Just note that the Primary master on the card would > be /dev/hde, pri slave /dev/hdf, & so on. > > Also, just use hard disks on the siig card & no cd-roms, or your > install will surely fail. > Great! Thanks Robert! I was thinking that it would work, and wasn't going to put anything other than drives on that card. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ozark72949 at myrealbox.com Mon Mar 8 22:18:58 2004 From: ozark72949 at myrealbox.com (Allan F) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? In-Reply-To: <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> References: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <404D45B2.3050205@myrealbox.com> I run VMWare 3.2 on my laptop with SuSE 9.0. For this version, I had to include "apci" (This is not a power managment option!) as a boot option. Chad Walstrom wrote: >On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 03:34:52PM -0600, Mike Partyka wrote: > > >>I'm trying to get VMware 4.05 installed in my laptop and it continuously >>locks up after formatting the drive space whether it's Windows 2k or XP. >> >>The VMware FAQ says make sure you have kernel support for: >> >>Real Time Clock >> and >>CONFIG_PARPORT_PC >> >>I believe both of these are part of the stock SuSE 9 Kernel but i >>wanted to make sure before i call VMware. >> >> > >What does your /boot/config-`uname -r` say? Grep through that for the >appropriate strings. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Mar 9 06:58:55 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403091258.i29CwtU29706@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Linksys Wireless Router Linksys Wireless router ! 802.11B Model number BEFW11S4 ver.3 Used very little, original box and manuals. Works great, just do not use it anymore. Less than 1 year old. First $45 takes it. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Mar 9 08:30:53 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403091430.i29EUrf30618@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: IBM 6579-TCU I have a 6579-TCU (NetVista) for sale. It is a P3 1GHz w/ 256MB mem, 20GB HD, CD, NIC, and even a token ring card (wow!). good cosmetic condition and everything works. no modem, no keyboard, no mouse, no monitor, no OS. $175 pickup in northern metro http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 9 08:35:03 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? In-Reply-To: <404D45B2.3050205@myrealbox.com> References: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> <404D45B2.3050205@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1078842902.3150.9.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> I'm pretty new to adjusting kernel paramters, How do i check/add this to my default kernel? Just add the parameter in the grub boot line? Thanks, On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 22:18, Allan F wrote: > I run VMWare 3.2 on my laptop with SuSE 9.0. For this version, I had to > include "apci" (This is not a power managment option!) as a boot option. > > > > Chad Walstrom wrote: > > >On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 03:34:52PM -0600, Mike Partyka wrote: > > > > > >>I'm trying to get VMware 4.05 installed in my laptop and it continuously > >>locks up after formatting the drive space whether it's Windows 2k or XP. > >> > >>The VMware FAQ says make sure you have kernel support for: > >> > >>Real Time Clock > >> and > >>CONFIG_PARPORT_PC > >> > >>I believe both of these are part of the stock SuSE 9 Kernel but i > >>wanted to make sure before i call VMware. > >> > >> > > > >What does your /boot/config-`uname -r` say? Grep through that for the > >appropriate strings. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 9 08:32:45 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? In-Reply-To: <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> References: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1078842765.3150.6.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Hmm, I get: coredump:~ # /boot/config-`uname -r` bash: /boot/config-2.4.21-192-default: Permission denied Even logged in as root. Any other suggestions? Thanks, On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 16:10, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 03:34:52PM -0600, Mike Partyka wrote: > > I'm trying to get VMware 4.05 installed in my laptop and it continuously > > locks up after formatting the drive space whether it's Windows 2k or XP. > > > > The VMware FAQ says make sure you have kernel support for: > > > > Real Time Clock > > and > > CONFIG_PARPORT_PC > > > > I believe both of these are part of the stock SuSE 9 Kernel but i > > wanted to make sure before i call VMware. > > What does your /boot/config-`uname -r` say? Grep through that for the > appropriate strings. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Mar 9 08:49:32 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? In-Reply-To: <1078842765.3150.6.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Mike Partyka wrote: > coredump:~ # /boot/config-`uname -r` > bash: /boot/config-2.4.21-192-default: Permission denied > > Even logged in as root. Any other suggestions? Different kind of permission. It's a text file, not executable. Try: # less /boot/config-`uname -r` Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Mar 9 08:59:39 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? In-Reply-To: <1078842765.3150.6.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> References: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> <1078842765.3150.6.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Message-ID: <20040309085939.A15251@belka.space.umn.edu> (Top posting fixed - please don't top post) On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 08:32:45AM -0600, Mike Partyka wrote: > On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 16:10, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 03:34:52PM -0600, Mike Partyka wrote: > > > The VMware FAQ says make sure you have kernel support for: > > > > > > Real Time Clock > > > and > > > CONFIG_PARPORT_PC > > > > > > I believe both of these are part of the stock SuSE 9 Kernel but i > > > wanted to make sure before i call VMware. > > > > What does your /boot/config-`uname -r` say? Grep through that for the > > appropriate strings. > Hmm, I get: > > coredump:~ # /boot/config-`uname -r` > bash: /boot/config-2.4.21-192-default: Permission denied > > Even logged in as root. Any other suggestions? You get permission denied because you tried to run a text file. The file that Chad mentioned contains the configuration for the kernel that you are running. You have to run some program on that file to look at it. To browse the file: less /boot/config-`uname -r` or more /boot/config-`uname -r` To look for the options you mention: grep CONFIG_PARPORT_PC /boot/config-`uname -r` grep RTC /boot/config-`uname -r` -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Tue Mar 9 09:16:16 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users Message-ID: Is there a way to have an ftp user that's not able to log onto the box? I tried usermod -s /bin/false some-user usermod -s /bin/nobody some-user usermod -s /dev/null some-user All of those make it so there is a user with a pass that belong to a group and they can't ssh in, but they also can't get in with ftp. I'm using pure-ftpd. -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Mar 9 09:28:26 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078846105.20962.26.camel@unixws1> Does the FTP daemon require them to have a valid shell (listed in /etc/shells?) and /bin/false isn't? On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 09:16, Josh Close wrote: > Is there a way to have an ftp user that's not able to log onto the box? I > tried > > usermod -s /bin/false some-user > usermod -s /bin/nobody some-user > usermod -s /dev/null some-user > > All of those make it so there is a user with a pass that belong to a group > and they can't ssh in, but they also can't get in with ftp. I'm using > pure-ftpd. > > -Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Mar 9 09:41:06 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Josh Close wrote: > All of those make it so there is a user with a pass that belong to a group > and they can't ssh in, but they also can't get in with ftp. I'm using > pure-ftpd. I think most ftpd's check that the user's shell is listed in /etc/shells. If it is, then they can FTP in. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Tue Mar 9 10:13:14 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I added the shell /bin/false to /etc/shells and now a user can log on via ftp, but not ssh. Thanks! -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Tue Mar 9 10:03:38 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It doesn't say anywhere about the user having to have a shell listed in /etc/shells. Can I just add shells to /etc/shells? This is what the man page says: /etc/passwd is used via libc (and PAM is this case), to get the uid and home directory of normal users, the uid and home directory of "ftp" for normal anonymous ftp, and just the uid of "ftp" for virtual ftp hosts. Nothing about the shell though. -Josh -----Original Message----- From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:28 AM To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ftp users Does the FTP daemon require them to have a valid shell (listed in /etc/shells?) and /bin/false isn't? On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 09:16, Josh Close wrote: > Is there a way to have an ftp user that's not able to log onto the box? I > tried > > usermod -s /bin/false some-user > usermod -s /bin/nobody some-user > usermod -s /dev/null some-user > > All of those make it so there is a user with a pass that belong to a group > and they can't ssh in, but they also can't get in with ftp. I'm using > pure-ftpd. > > -Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Mar 9 10:28:07 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078849685.20962.75.camel@unixws1> It should be safe to modify. It's used by getusershell() to retrieve a list of valid shells on the system. Note that the function is GetUserShell(), not GetUsersHell(), which is what you call right before GiveUsersHell() On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 10:03, Josh Close wrote: > It doesn't say anywhere about the user having to have a shell listed in > /etc/shells. Can I just add shells to /etc/shells? > > This is what the man page says: > > /etc/passwd is used via libc (and PAM is this case), to get the uid > and > home directory of normal users, the uid and home directory of "ftp" > for > normal anonymous ftp, and just the uid of "ftp" for virtual ftp > hosts. > > Nothing about the shell though. > > -Josh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:28 AM > To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ftp users > > > Does the FTP daemon require them to have a valid shell (listed in > /etc/shells?) and /bin/false isn't? > > On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 09:16, Josh Close wrote: > > Is there a way to have an ftp user that's not able to log onto the box? I > > tried > > > > usermod -s /bin/false some-user > > usermod -s /bin/nobody some-user > > usermod -s /dev/null some-user > > > > All of those make it so there is a user with a pass that belong to a group > > and they can't ssh in, but they also can't get in with ftp. I'm using > > pure-ftpd. > > > > -Josh > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Tue Mar 9 10:27:06 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chrooted ftp users and symlink Message-ID: K, now that I have the other ftp issue solved, I have a new one. I want to get a user to have access to only a certain directory. So I have the user chrooted when using ftp. Then I made a symlink to the directory that I want them to use. ln -s /path/to/directory link_name You can change into that directory when on the command line, but when logged in via ftp, it doesn't work. This is the error I get: 550 Can't change directory to some_directory: No such file or directory some_directory looks like this: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Mar 9 08:01 somedirectory -> /path/to/some_somedirectory Would this be an option with the the ftp server? I didn't see anything in the docs about it. Would it make a difference if I did a "ln -d" instead? -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Tue Mar 9 10:32:39 2004 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Books to Iraq Message-ID: <000801c405f4$23e7f620$0439a8c0@Kurama> My wife heard on Future Tense that the Linux users groups in Iraq are asking for old books related to Linux and HTML etc. Here is a link to the Freedom Technology Center in Mountain View that is going to try and collect books and ship them to Iraq. http://freedomtechnologycenter.org/events/ Joseph Key _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 9 10:41:22 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? In-Reply-To: <20040309085939.A15251@belka.space.umn.edu> References: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> <1078842765.3150.6.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <20040309085939.A15251@belka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1078850481.3114.32.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Ahh i see now, Thanks guys. On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 08:59, Jim Crumley wrote: > (Top posting fixed - please don't top post) > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 08:32:45AM -0600, Mike Partyka wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 16:10, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 03:34:52PM -0600, Mike Partyka wrote: > > > > The VMware FAQ says make sure you have kernel support for: > > > > > > > > Real Time Clock > > > > and > > > > CONFIG_PARPORT_PC > > > > > > > > I believe both of these are part of the stock SuSE 9 Kernel but i > > > > wanted to make sure before i call VMware. > > > > > > What does your /boot/config-`uname -r` say? Grep through that for the > > > appropriate strings. > > Hmm, I get: > > > > coredump:~ # /boot/config-`uname -r` > > bash: /boot/config-2.4.21-192-default: Permission denied > > > > Even logged in as root. Any other suggestions? > > You get permission denied because you tried to run a text file. > The file that Chad mentioned contains the configuration for the > kernel that you are running. You have to run some program on > that file to look at it. > > To browse the file: > less /boot/config-`uname -r` > or > more /boot/config-`uname -r` > > To look for the options you mention: > grep CONFIG_PARPORT_PC /boot/config-`uname -r` > grep RTC /boot/config-`uname -r` _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 9 10:49:51 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chrooted ftp users and symlink In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:27:06 -0600, Josh Close wrote: > K, now that I have the other ftp issue solved, I have a new one. > > I want to get a user to have access to only a certain directory. So I > have > the user chrooted when using ftp. Then I made a symlink to the directory > that I want them to use. > > ln -s /path/to/directory link_name That don't work in chroot jail. look up loopback mounts (lofs) - those work in a chroot jail > > You can change into that directory when on the command line, but when > logged > in via ftp, it doesn't work. This is the error I get: > > 550 Can't change directory to some_directory: No such file or directory > > some_directory looks like this: > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Mar 9 08:01 somedirectory -> > /path/to/some_somedirectory > > Would this be an option with the the ftp server? I didn't see anything in > the docs about it. Would it make a difference if I did a "ln -d" instead? > > -Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Mar 9 11:00:17 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? In-Reply-To: <1078842902.3150.9.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> (message from Mike Partyka on Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:35:03 -0600) References: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> <404D45B2.3050205@myrealbox.com> <1078842902.3150.9.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Message-ID: <200403091700.i29H0HH01968@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 22:18, Allan F wrote: >> I run VMWare 3.2 on my laptop with SuSE 9.0. For this version, I had to >> include "apci" (This is not a power management option!) as a boot option. Mike Partyka wrote: >How do i check/add this to my default kernel? Just add the parameter in >the grub boot line? Edit grub's kernel command line by appending the kernel parameter "apci" without the quotes. You can use grub's edit capability to temporarily (for the current boot) change kernel parameters: 1) Reboot, reset or turn on the machine 2) Use the up and down arrow keys to select the boot selection (if more than one) you want to change and press the "e" (edit) key. 3) Use the up and down arrow keys to select the kernel command and press the "e" (edit) key. 4) Add the desired new kernel parameters (i.e. apci) to the end of the kernel command and press the return (enter) key. 5) Review the changed kernel command to be sure it is correct and press the "b" to continue the boot using the temporary change just made. If the kernel command doesn't look right go to step 3 or reset the machine to start from the beginning. When you want to make the change permanent, edit /boot/grub/grub.conf, changing the same kernel line of the same boot selection. (The boot selection can also be duplicated and changed; in this case be sure to change the title so it is clear what kernel parameter(s) were added to the changed boot selection.) Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Tue Mar 9 11:51:15 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chrooted ftp users and symlink In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just made a symlink like this ln -s /path/to/directory /home/user and it worked. So it is like the user is actually in that directory. -Josh -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:50 AM To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] chrooted ftp users and symlink On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:27:06 -0600, Josh Close wrote: > K, now that I have the other ftp issue solved, I have a new one. > > I want to get a user to have access to only a certain directory. So I > have > the user chrooted when using ftp. Then I made a symlink to the directory > that I want them to use. > > ln -s /path/to/directory link_name That don't work in chroot jail. look up loopback mounts (lofs) - those work in a chroot jail > > You can change into that directory when on the command line, but when > logged > in via ftp, it doesn't work. This is the error I get: > > 550 Can't change directory to some_directory: No such file or directory > > some_directory looks like this: > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Mar 9 08:01 somedirectory -> > /path/to/some_somedirectory > > Would this be an option with the the ftp server? I didn't see anything in > the docs about it. Would it make a difference if I did a "ln -d" instead? > > -Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Mar 9 12:03:04 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? (/proc/config.gz) In-Reply-To: <1078842765.3150.6.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> (message from Mike Partyka on Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:32:45 -0600) References: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> <1078842765.3150.6.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Message-ID: <200403091803.i29I34T02496@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Mike Partyka wrote: >coredump:~ # /boot/config-`uname -r` >bash: /boot/config-2.4.21-192-default: Permission denied As others have mentioned, this is text file which can be examined via less, more, view, emacs, etc. However, not all distributions provide this file, in this location at least. A better way to provide the same information is the gzip compressed text file /proc/config.gz and in older kernels the uncompressed /proc/config. However, the kernel option CONFIG_PROC_CONFIG must be selected for the kernel one is running for this to work. SuSE has this kernel option selected by default. All distributions should use it, except maybe embedded Linux where kernel memory usage can be a critical concern. /proc/config.gz is built by (actually part of) the running kernel, so there can be little doubt that it is the correct kernel configuration. This is especially useful for people building and testing multiple kernels. If CONFIG_PROC_CONFIG is selected, /proc/config.gz is available via: % zcat /proc/config.gz % zcat /proc/config.gz | less % zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_ % gunzip -c /proc/config.gz % gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | less % gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_ Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Mar 9 12:06:30 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't startx on debian. In-Reply-To: <404CB176.7050401@umn.edu> References: <404CB176.7050401@umn.edu> Message-ID: <1078855589.30112.21935.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 9 12:13:43 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chrooted ftp users and symlink In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:51:15 -0600, Josh Close wrote: > I just made a symlink like this > > ln -s /path/to/directory /home/user > > and it worked. So it is like the user is actually in that directory. > hummm - a while back I had to use lofs because the ftp server/chroot wouldn't allow soft links... this was on solaris or AIX tho - I can remember which... sorry for the mislead. > -Josh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:50 AM > To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] chrooted ftp users and symlink > > > On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:27:06 -0600, Josh Close > wrote: > >> K, now that I have the other ftp issue solved, I have a new one. >> >> I want to get a user to have access to only a certain directory. So I >> have >> the user chrooted when using ftp. Then I made a symlink to the directory >> that I want them to use. >> >> ln -s /path/to/directory link_name > > > That don't work in chroot jail. look up loopback mounts (lofs) - those > work in a chroot jail > >> >> You can change into that directory when on the command line, but when >> logged >> in via ftp, it doesn't work. This is the error I get: >> >> 550 Can't change directory to some_directory: No such file or directory >> >> some_directory looks like this: >> >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Mar 9 08:01 somedirectory -> >> /path/to/some_somedirectory >> >> Would this be an option with the the ftp server? I didn't see anything >> in >> the docs about it. Would it make a difference if I did a "ln -d" >> instead? >> >> -Josh >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Mar 9 13:05:47 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora on VirtualPC 2004 Message-ID: I got a copy of Microsoft's VirtualPC 2004 yesterday and installed it on a Windows XP Pro computer at home. It currently only supports Windows 2000 or later as a host OS now. But if someone can tell me how to get video editing, DVD burning and HDTV viewing done in Linux, I'm more than happy to listen! I then installed Fedora Core 1 on it. Rather, I'm in the midst of that. It's gone pretty easily so far. You tell it you want a new virtual machine, running "Other" for an OS, set up its virtual hard disk (a file on the host machine), put in a bootable CD and click Start. The virtual machine starts, and you get a BIOS screen. It's a little startling to see a BIOS from another brand than what's in the machine, let alone in a window on the desktop, but you get used to that. The CD boots and Fedora begins its installation. I set it to automatically partition and install the Workstation software suite. The VM reports a generic S3 (I think) video card to the BIOS, and Fedora's graphics seem to work OK. One strange thing is that installation took a very long time. Like over two hours long. The CPU was idle most of the time, so I'm chalking this up to inefficient CD-ROM emulation layers so far. After installation and a re-boot, I logged in and ran /sbin/ifconfig. Another thing new to this person who's never run VM software before was seeing a new virtual network card, with some made-up MAC address get an IP address from my DHCP server. So now my machine has two IP addresses. The first thing I tried to do was update the system with up2date. So far it's taken several hours because the site hosting updates is so glacial. If anyone has tips on speeding that process, I'd be very grateful. I also installed FreeDOS on another VM, then quickly added Quake for DOS. It seems to work, except for sound. Sound also does not work in Fedora as of yet. If there's interest, I'll post more as I do more. Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Mar 9 13:28:34 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco pix and syslog Message-ID: <012b01c4060c$b9d11c80$030a0a0a@DELL2> I am trying to log my pix error logs to my fedora box but logs are not showing up. In the Cisco pix I have done the following: logging host outside (public IP) logging timestamp logging trap 4 logging on. When you do a show logging the message count increases in size. On my fedora box I have done the following: mkdir /var/log/pix touch pix.log added the following to syslog.conf "local20.* /var/log/pix/pix.log" /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog restart The pix facility is 20 I have not added anything to iptables, but I stopped it for a minute to see if it made a difference and got the same results. Any ideas what am I missing? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Tue Mar 9 13:41:45 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora on VirtualPC 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of Chris Schumann > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:06 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora on VirtualPC 2004 > > I got a copy of Microsoft's VirtualPC 2004 yesterday and installed it on a > Windows XP Pro computer at home. It currently only supports Windows 2000 > or later as a host OS now. But if someone can tell me how to get video > editing, DVD burning and HDTV viewing done in Linux, I'm more than happy > to listen! Virtual PC has always been Windows-host only, VMWare will allow Linux as the host OS though. You will probably have problems with getting all your video stuff working. I did some research between these two packages, and the biggest difference I could see was the way VMWare provides video/sound devices versus the way Virtual PC does. I apologize that I can't offer more support than to say best of luck, and check the MS support newsgroups linked off of their Virtual PC homepage. > One strange thing is that installation took a very long time. Like over > two hours long. The CPU was idle most of the time, so I'm chalking this up > to inefficient CD-ROM emulation layers so far. Yes, Virtual PC's emulation isn't extremely efficient; of course, that depends on what you run it on. I think VMWare is better, as it acts more as a pass-through to the hardware, rather than pure emulation. > Another thing new to this person who's never run VM software before was > seeing a new virtual network card, with some made-up MAC address get an IP > address from my DHCP server. So now my machine has two IP addresses. You can normally run a NAT'd network, as well, so your PC only has one external IP, and then you get another virtual adapter with an internal IP & DHCP for your virtual machines. > If anyone has tips on speeding that process, I'd be very grateful. Mirror on your LAN on another box? Or a mirror in a VM :) Are you sure it's the server? > I also installed FreeDOS on another VM, then quickly added Quake for DOS. > It seems to work, except for sound. Sound also does not work in Fedora as > of yet. See my first note. > If there's interest, I'll post more as I do more. I haven't used Virtual PC extensively, but I may be very soon, so I'd be interested to know if you get around these sound/video issues and network speed. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Tue Mar 9 13:51:01 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco pix and syslog In-Reply-To: <012b01c4060c$b9d11c80$030a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:29 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] cisco pix and syslog > > I am trying to log my pix error logs to my fedora box but logs are not > showing up. I've not done this yet with my PIX, but I will have to soon. From what I've seen, there should be a place to specify the IP of the logging server, so my *guess* would be you need to fill that in. I'd like to know what you end up doing to get it to work, though. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Mar 9 13:48:18 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco pix and syslog Message-ID: Read /etc/sysconfig/syslog and adjust it to allow remote logging. >>> admin@lctn.org 03/09/04 01:28PM >>> I am trying to log my pix error logs to my fedora box but logs are not showing up. In the Cisco pix I have done the following: logging host outside (public IP) logging timestamp logging trap 4 logging on. When you do a show logging the message count increases in size. On my fedora box I have done the following: mkdir /var/log/pix touch pix.log added the following to syslog.conf "local20.* /var/log/pix/pix.log" /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog restart The pix facility is 20 I have not added anything to iptables, but I stopped it for a minute to see if it made a difference and got the same results. Any ideas what am I missing? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Mar 9 13:50:36 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco pix and syslog In-Reply-To: <012b01c4060c$b9d11c80$030a0a0a@DELL2> References: <012b01c4060c$b9d11c80$030a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <1078861834.20962.317.camel@unixws1> Some syslog daemons you need to specify a flag (or a config parameter) to get them to accept logging from external hosts. For instance, syslogd -r You might run tcpdump and see if the syslog stuff is actually leaving the pix and getting to the linux box, but the pix config looks correct so I would assume it is. On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 13:28, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am trying to log my pix error logs to my fedora box but logs are not > showing up. > > > In the Cisco pix I have done the following: > > logging host outside (public IP) > logging timestamp > logging trap 4 > logging on. > > When you do a show logging the message count increases in size. > > > On my fedora box I have done the following: > > mkdir /var/log/pix > touch pix.log > > added the following to syslog.conf "local20.* /var/log/pix/pix.log" > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog restart > > > > The pix facility is 20 > > > I have not added anything to iptables, but I stopped it for a minute to see > if it made a difference and got the same results. Any ideas what am I > missing? > > > Raymond > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Tue Mar 9 13:51:34 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora on VirtualPC 2004 Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63C8C@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: John T. Hoffoss [mailto:hoff0438@umn.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:42 PM > To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Fedora on VirtualPC 2004 > snip > Yes, Virtual PC's emulation isn't extremely efficient; of course, that > depends on what you run it on. I think VMWare is better, as > it acts more as > a pass-through to the hardware, rather than pure emulation. The one main advantage (to Windows shops) of this over VMWare is that if Windows has a problem on VirtualPC MS will support it. Under VMWare you had to load on bare hardware and try to duplicate the problem - in other words, prove it isn't VMWare that's at fault. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Tue Mar 9 14:45:28 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora on VirtualPC 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:41:45 -0600 > From: "John T. Hoffoss" > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn- > > linux.org] On Behalf Of Chris Schumann > > I got a copy of Microsoft's VirtualPC 2004 yesterday and installed it > > on a Windows XP Pro computer at home. It currently only supports > > Windows 2000 or later as a host OS now. But if someone can tell me how > > to get video editing, DVD burning and HDTV viewing done in Linux, I'm > > more than happy to listen! > > Virtual PC has always been Windows-host only, VMWare will allow Linux as > the host OS though. I didn't go buy Virtual PC. It came with the Action Pack, which allows consultants such as myself to get a lot of software to learn and try for a year for pretty cheap. Virtual PC was just included last month. > You will probably have problems with getting all your video stuff > working. I did some research between these two packages, and the biggest > difference I could see was the way VMWare provides video/sound devices > versus the way Virtual PC does. > > I apologize that I can't offer more support than to say best of luck, > and check the MS support newsgroups linked off of their Virtual PC > homepage. An excellent idea. I'll do that. > > One strange thing is that installation took a very long time. Like > > over two hours long. The CPU was idle most of the time, so I'm > > chalking this up to inefficient CD-ROM emulation layers so far. > > Yes, Virtual PC's emulation isn't extremely efficient; of course, that > depends on what you run it on. I think VMWare is better, as it acts more > as a pass-through to the hardware, rather than pure emulation. > > > Another thing new to this person who's never run VM software before > > was seeing a new virtual network card, with some made-up MAC address > > get an IP address from my DHCP server. So now my machine has two IP > > addresses. > > You can normally run a NAT'd network, as well, so your PC only has one > external IP, and then you get another virtual adapter with an internal > IP & DHCP for your virtual machines. It's actually quite OK. I like being able to have each virtual machine host a service. I'm behind a router so all the addresses are non-routed anyway. (discussion of up2date) > > If anyone has tips on speeding that process, I'd be very grateful. > > Mirror on your LAN on another box? Or a mirror in a VM :) Are you sure > it's the server? The very slow up2date also took hours on my ThinkPad on a dual-boot configuration. Local network activity is very fast on both, though. I was looking for a less-loaded mirror, such as mn-linux, real-time or the like. > I haven't used Virtual PC extensively, but I may be very soon, so I'd be > interested to know if you get around these sound/video issues and > network speed. CPU performance so far seems fine. I'll test more with network once up2date is complete, then on to video for a bit then sound. It's strange but I'm itching to play an old DOS game (Full Throttle). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Mar 9 15:45:59 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? In-Reply-To: <404D45B2.3050205@myrealbox.com> References: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> <404D45B2.3050205@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1078868759.26899.22158.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Mar 9 16:10:30 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco pix and syslog Message-ID: <017101c40623$563a9b80$030a0a0a@DELL2> Here is what I have now. I changed my pix to send logs to a private IP on the same network as the inside interface. In the Cisco pix I have done the following: logging host outside (private IP) logging timestamp logging trap 4 logging on. When you do a show logging the message count increases in size. On my fedora box I have done the following: mkdir /var/log/pix touch pix.log I added -r to /etc/sysconfig/syslog Now netstat -1tupn produces: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:514 0.0.0.0:* 3521/syslogd, but does not say it is Listening. cpdump produces relevant lines like this. 15:53:19.012494 (pix)10.200.200.1.syslog > (syslog server)10.200.200.51.syslog: udp 138 15:53:19.510190 10.200.200.1.syslog > 10.200.200.51.syslog: udp 131 My log files still are not being written to. Do I have something wrong in /etc/sysconfig.conf, or maybe a permission problem? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Tue Mar 9 16:14:22 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer salvage Message-ID: <2882.65.116.187.194.1078870462.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Was there an individual on this list that recently started a computer salvage business? I have a location that has a bunch of older equipment, I don't want any of it, and I need to get it out of the location. I DON"T KNOW WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOES NOT WORK! - I have about 50computers, Dell, Gateway 2000, clone (whole and parts) P133 to P300's - A bunch of SGI O2 machines and parts http://www.sgi.com/products/remarketed/o2/ - About 50 PowerPC 8xxx/200 and 9xxx/300. - About 130 monitors from 14" to 19" (SGI, Apple, Dell ...) - Handful of older laser printers - Tons of cables of all types. - About 35 laptops in various condition - some UPS's - A few fax machines - About 10 hubs If anyone knows of a company that will take this stuff off my hands, please contact me off the list. Thanks Jim Streit jimstreit@northlans.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Mar 9 16:37:37 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco pix and syslog In-Reply-To: <017101c40623$563a9b80$030a0a0a@DELL2>; from admin@lctn.org on Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 04:10:30PM -0600 References: <017101c40623$563a9b80$030a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <20040309163736.A22771@thinkunix.net> Raymond Norton wrote: > My log files still are not being written to. Do I have something wrong in > /etc/sysconfig.conf, or maybe a permission problem? try this in /etc/syslog.conf on the redhat box and don't forget to restart syslog after making the change: local4.* /var/log/pix.log http://www.linuxsecurity.com/feature_stories/remote_logserver-9.html -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Mar 9 14:25:54 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora on VirtualPC 2004 Message-ID: >>> rware@interplastic.com 03/09/04 01:51PM >>> > The one main advantage (to Windows shops) of this over VMWare is that if > Windows has a problem on VirtualPC MS will support it. Under VMWare you had > to load on bare hardware and try to duplicate the problem - in other words, > prove it isn't VMWare that's at fault. If you buy vmware through the mainstream manufacturers(i.e. IBM and HP), they will support Windows on VM, even if M$ won't. That's the route we are going at Toro. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Mar 9 21:44:24 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403100344.i2A3iOB09951@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Laptops 3 - Compaq Armada 7800 $60.00 Pentium II 266mhz 64mb RAM 5 gig HD (disk wiped with dban-dod) Display 13.25 inch, 1024x768 Video S3 Virge/MX 4mb RAM Sound ESS 1879 16bit (ESS 1868 driver works in Red Hat 8) Ports: 1 USB, 1 Serial, 1 Printer, 1 Video out, 1 mouse/keyboard 2 PCMCIA, speaker, microphone, headset. 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Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora on VirtualPC 2004 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040310065233.GZ15992@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 02:45:28PM -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > The very slow up2date also took hours on my ThinkPad on a dual-boot > configuration. Local network activity is very fast on both, though. I was > looking for a less-loaded mirror, such as mn-linux, real-time or the like. First, use yum, second, use a mirror. mirrors.kernel.org (multiple systems) mirrors fedora, you just need to tweak /etc/yum.conf with the right paths. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 10 01:10:53 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040310071053.GB15992@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:13:14AM -0600, Josh Close wrote: > I added the shell /bin/false to /etc/shells and now a user can log on via > ftp, but not ssh. Don't be so sure, try 'ssh user@host.name /bin/sh' -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 10 01:09:10 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403091258.i29CwtU29706@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200403091258.i29CwtU29706@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040310070910.GA15992@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 06:58:55AM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: Linksys Wireless Router > > Linksys Wireless router ! 802.11B > Model number BEFW11S4 ver.3 > Used very little, original box and manuals. Works great, just do not use it anymore. Less than 1 year old. First $45 takes it. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi They're $49 before $10 mail-in-rebate at best buy and wal-mart =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Wed Mar 10 08:19:02 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora on VirtualPC 2004 In-Reply-To: <20040310065233.GZ15992@techmonkeys.org> References: <20040310065233.GZ15992@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <404F23D6.5000604@cruiskeen.com> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 02:45:28PM -0600, Chris Schumann wrote: > > >>The very slow up2date also took hours on my ThinkPad on a dual-boot >>configuration. Local network activity is very fast on both, though. I was >>looking for a less-loaded mirror, such as mn-linux, real-time or the like. > > > First, use yum, second, use a mirror. > > mirrors.kernel.org (multiple systems) mirrors fedora, you just need to tweak > /etc/yum.conf with the right paths. > For more details see http://www.fedorazine.com/content/view/77/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Mar 10 10:00:40 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More on Fedora on Virtual PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As for Fedora, I found a mirror for up2date that made things MUCH faster. Downloads are now as fast as my cable modem allows, which was around 375kB/s last night. The mirrors seem quite picky though. They work, then don't, then do again. I did get sound working... in FreeDOS. All it took was a SET BLASTER= blah blah blah in the autoexec.bat, and now Quake (and Ultimate Doom) rocks the room. MS does ship a DOS CD-ROM driver, so I'll try to use that to speed up CD access in DOS, but of course, none is shipped for Fedora, so it looks like I'll have to live with slow access there, but at least it works, and I don't use it much anyway. Hmmm, perhaps I'll just share a networked CD drive. Since my monitor at home is an LCD panel of 1280x1024, I gave that a try in Fedora. What a mistake. It would not display full screen, and stretched the display so that the window would only show the left half of the virtual screen, even with scrolling. The image was colored strangely so much that I tried to edit configuration files to change the setting back. So I'm stuck at 1028x768, which will likely be OK. I think sound will be my next tweak-a-thon. Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Wed Mar 10 10:21:39 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More on Fedora on Virtual PC Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63C9B@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Schumann [mailto:cschumann@twp-llc.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:01 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] More on Fedora on Virtual PC > Since my monitor at home is an LCD panel of 1280x1024, I gave > that a try > in Fedora. What a mistake. It would not display full screen, > and stretched > the display so that the window would only show the left half of the > virtual screen, even with scrolling. The image was colored > strangely so > much that I tried to edit configuration files to change the > setting back. > So I'm stuck at 1028x768, which will likely be OK. I couldn't install rh9 with a LCD monitor. Not sure whay LCD's seem more problematic, but they do. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Mar 10 10:21:54 2004 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users In-Reply-To: <20040310071053.GB15992@techmonkeys.org> References: <20040310071053.GB15992@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200403101021.54823.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Wednesday 10 March 2004 1:10 am, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:13:14AM -0600, Josh Close wrote: > > I added the shell /bin/false to /etc/shells and now a user can log on via > > ftp, but not ssh. > > Don't be so sure, try 'ssh user@host.name /bin/sh' Gets me nothing. I am just returned to the prompt on my local machine when the user has /bin/false for their shell. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh.close at freezellc.com Wed Mar 10 11:06:01 2004 From: josh.close at freezellc.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php Message-ID: Is there a way to have php continue if a connect fails for mysql_connect( )? Say, instead of doing 'or die(mysql_error( ));'. -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 10 11:48:49 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users In-Reply-To: <200403101021.54823.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <20040310071053.GB15992@techmonkeys.org> <200403101021.54823.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <20040310174849.GC15992@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:21:54AM -0600, Bret Baptist wrote: > > Gets me nothing. I am just returned to the prompt on my local machine when > the user has /bin/false for their shell. Good, your sshd is properly configured. On some systems, with an improperly configured sshd, it will allow you to execute any command you wish as long as your shell is in /etc/shells. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 10 12:14:01 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco pix and syslog Message-ID: <002701c406cb$7703ec10$030a0a0a@DELL2> Hey, hey! It's working! Someone had asked for the info once I got it working, so here is what I have. Pix firewall: logging host inside (IP of host workstation) logging timestamp logging trap 0-7 (here is a link that explains it http://www.siliconvalleyccie.com/cisco-hn/syslog-cisco.htm) logging timestamp logging trap notifications logging on /etc/sysconfig/syslog: Change line to look like this SYSLOGD_OPTIONS="-m 0 -r" In /var/log: mkdir pix touch /var/lg/pix/pix.log in /etc/syslog.conf add the following: local4.* /var/log/pix/pix.log restart syslog: service syslog restart Now you too are an expert like me:) Thanks everyone for the help! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Wed Mar 10 14:11:25 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404F766D.6030605@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Josh Close wrote: >Is there a way to have php continue if a connect fails for mysql_connect( )? > >Say, instead of doing 'or die(mysql_error( ));'. > >-Josh > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > just don't do or die ;) a failed connection shouldn't halt everything. also, you may want to use Pear::DB -dd _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Wed Mar 10 14:22:42 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php In-Reply-To: <404F766D.6030605@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <001d01c406dd$70ac0fc0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > just don't do or die ;) If you still want to know something failed, try 'or echo "mysql_error()";' Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 10 14:25:39 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cisco pix and syslog In-Reply-To: <002701c406cb$7703ec10$030a0a0a@DELL2> References: <002701c406cb$7703ec10$030a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <20040310202539.GE25180@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Mar 10 14:21:52 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> <1078708608.3398.5522.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <1078950111.3398.9554.camel@bigtime> > real-time != tclug. I think this question is more for Clay Fandre than > anybody else. Bob and everybody else at Real-Time have made it a policy to > not interfere in tclug politics. Last I knew they were hosting/administrating the list though, I'm looking for a technical blessing, not a political one. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Wed Mar 10 14:27:24 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040310202724.GA22856@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:06:01AM -0600, Josh Close wrote: > Is there a way to have php continue if a connect fails for mysql_connect( )? > > Say, instead of doing 'or die(mysql_error( ));'. > > -Josh > Don't put the 'or die(mysql_error( ));' in the code? -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net --- Mother always told me, if you tell a lie, always rehearse it. If it don't sound good to you, it won't sound good to no one else. -- Satchel Paige _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Wed Mar 10 14:41:04 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is the error I get: Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'host' (111) in /path/to/program.php on line 48 And that's all the output there is. So without the 'or die', the error shows up but it contiues on. Maybe it's 'cause I have errors on right now. Maybe Pear::DB works differently. I'll have to try that sometime also. mysql_connect is so easy though. -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Dash > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:11 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php > > > Josh Close wrote: > > >Is there a way to have php continue if a connect fails for > mysql_connect( )? > > > >Say, instead of doing 'or die(mysql_error( ));'. > > > >-Josh > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > just don't do or die ;) > > a failed connection shouldn't halt everything. > > also, you may want to use Pear::DB > > -dd > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Wed Mar 10 14:42:29 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess I'm looking for something more like a try/catch where if there's an error, nothing will be displayed and the script will keep on going. I noticed php5 will have try/catch capabilites! -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Dash > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:11 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php > > > Josh Close wrote: > > >Is there a way to have php continue if a connect fails for > mysql_connect( )? > > > >Say, instead of doing 'or die(mysql_error( ));'. > > > >-Josh > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > just don't do or die ;) > > a failed connection shouldn't halt everything. > > also, you may want to use Pear::DB > > -dd > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 10 14:53:47 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG BSP: Info About Bug Squashing Message-ID: <20040310205347.GF25180@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Mar 10 15:37:19 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php In-Reply-To: <404F766D.6030605@edenpr.k12.mn.us> References: <404F766D.6030605@edenpr.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20040310153719.000070c6@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:11:25 -0600 Dave Dash wrote: [...] > also, you may want to use Pear::DB Nah, this is better IMHO: http://php.weblogs.com/ADODB/ :) Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Mar 10 15:41:38 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Request for Comments - Stunnel 4.x + Rsync Message-ID: <20040310154138.00005b41@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Hi list, Anyone remember way back when Michael Bauer had a security talk for a TCLUG meeting? Well, I bought his book and read up on his LJ columns for tunneling rsync using stunnel. I don't know what it was but I just had a heck of a time getting it to work, mainly because he uses stunnel 3.x syntax as do many other stunnel examples, even those on stunnel.org. So I wrote up a document that hopefully will help someone out or at least so I can remember when I have to do this again. I thought I'd throw it by the list to see if anyone has comments or suggestions. http://www.netbits.us/docs/stunnel_rsync.html Thanks, Josh Trutwin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Mar 10 15:55:38 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG BSP: Info About Bug Squashing In-Reply-To: <20040310205347.GF25180@wookimus.net> References: <20040310205347.GF25180@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040310215538.GM2567@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Mar 10 16:27:35 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403102227.i2AMRZ323613@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Cases,cdroms, etc. 2 desktop AT cases w/ p/s 5 mid-tower cases w/ p/s 4 IDE cdroms 3 SCSI cdroms 1 Panasonic cdrom 1 parallel AB switch 1 centronix AB switch 1 Packard Bell P60 I'm in the Northwestern Suburbs. Email me directly to arrange pickup. I'll leave them up for a week, then they go the way of the trash. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 10 16:47:40 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG BSP: Info About Bug Squashing In-Reply-To: <20040310215538.GM2567@iucha.net> References: <20040310205347.GF25180@wookimus.net> <20040310215538.GM2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20040310224740.GL25180@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Mar 10 16:51:03 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403102227.i2AMRZ323613@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200403102227.i2AMRZ323613@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040310225103.GA15084@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 04:27:35PM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > I'm in the Northwestern Suburbs. Email me directly to arrange pickup. > I'll leave them up for a week, then they go the way of the trash. You mean recycling/hazmat disposal, right? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Mar 10 16:41:18 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403102241.i2AMfI823819@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Monitors 2 14"/15" monitors. Max resolution is 800x600. Respond within a week, otherwise they goto the trash. I'm in the Northwestern suburbs. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Mar 10 17:26:17 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG BSP: Info About Bug Squashing In-Reply-To: <20040310224740.GL25180@wookimus.net> References: <20040310205347.GF25180@wookimus.net> <20040310215538.GM2567@iucha.net> <20040310224740.GL25180@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040310232617.GN2567@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Wed Mar 10 17:31:17 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Request for Comments - Stunnel 4.x + Rsync In-Reply-To: <20040310154138.00005b41@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040310154138.00005b41@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040310233117.GB27057@therub.org> On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 03:41:38PM -0600, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Hi list, > > Anyone remember way back when Michael Bauer had a security talk for a TCLUG >meeting? Well, I bought his book and read up on his LJ columns for tunneling >rsync using stunnel. I don't know what it was but I just had a heck of a >time getting it to work, mainly because he uses stunnel 3.x syntax as do many >other stunnel examples, even those on stunnel.org. So I wrote up a document >that hopefully will help someone out or at least so I can remember when I >have to do this again. I thought I'd throw it by the list to see if anyone >has comments or suggestions. (lines wrapped) Hey Josh, The tutorial looks good. I am wondering, though, what the purpose of all that trouble is when you can just do rsync -e ssh? I don't use rsync much, so maybe that's a dumb question.. But, it seems to be a heckova lot easier than using stunnel for it. Nonetheless, it's a good stunnel tutorial, and I suppose one could use it for other things. dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 10 18:35:44 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG BSP: Info About Bug Squashing In-Reply-To: <20040310232617.GN2567@iucha.net> References: <20040310205347.GF25180@wookimus.net> <20040310215538.GM2567@iucha.net> <20040310224740.GL25180@wookimus.net> <20040310232617.GN2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20040311003544.GP25180@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Mar 10 18:52:59 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403110052.i2B0qxJ25598@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Laptops The 7800's went fast! I have the following left 2- Compaq Armada 7770 DMT $50.00 Pentium 233mmx 64mb RAM 2.8 gig HD (disk wiped with dban-dod) Display 12 inch, 800x600 Video S3 Aurora 64V+ 2mb RAM (will do 1024x768 external) Sound ESS 1878 16bit (ESS 1868 driver works in Red Hat 8) 1 Serial, 1 Printer, 1 Video out, 1 mouse/keyboard 2 PCMCIA, speaker, microphone, headset. CDROM 1- Compaq Armada 7770 DMT $50.00 Pentium 233mmx 64mb RAM 2.8 gig HD (disk wiped with dban-dod) Display 12 inch, 800x600 Video S3 Aurora 64V+ 2mb RAM (will do 1024x768 external) Sound ESS 1878 16bit (ESS 1868 driver works in Red Hat 8) 1 Serial, 1 Printer, 1 Video out, 1 mouse/keyboard 2 PCMCIA, speaker, microphone, headset. Floppy 1- Compaq Armada 7770 DMT $45.00 Pentium 233mmx 32mb RAM 2.8 gig HD (disk wiped with dban-dod) Display 12 inch, 800x600 Video S3 Aurora 64V+ 2mb RAM (will do 1024x768 external) Sound ESS 1878 16bit (ESS 1868 driver works in Red Hat 8) Serial, 1 Printer, 1 Video out, 1 mouse/keyboard 2 PCMCIA, speaker, microphone, headset CDROM 1- Toshiba Satellite Pro 460 CDT $35.00 Pentium 166mmx 32mb RAM 2.1gig HD (disk wiped with dban-dod) Display 12inch 800x600 Video C&T F65554 2mb RAM (will do 1024x768 external) Sound Yamaha OPL3-SA3 (16bit) Ports; Serial, printer, video, usb, mouse/keyboard, 2 PCMCIA 33.6 modem, IR, speaker, mic CDROM http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Mar 10 21:50:06 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Request for Comments - Stunnel 4.x + Rsync In-Reply-To: <20040310233117.GB27057@therub.org> References: <20040310154138.00005b41@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040310233117.GB27057@therub.org> Message-ID: <20040310215006.50a6ae29@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:31:17 -0600 Dan Rue wrote: > The tutorial looks good. I am wondering, though, what the purpose of > all that trouble is when you can just do rsync -e ssh? I don't use > rsync much, so maybe that's a dumb question.. But, it seems to be a > heckova lot easier than using stunnel for it. > > Nonetheless, it's a good stunnel tutorial, and I suppose one could use > it for other things. That's kind of the idea. I plan to now move on to POP and IMAP over stunnel, getting rsync over stunnel setup correctly was a good test as I don't interupt any of my users. Plus it was kind of a rub that I couldn't get it to work in the first place. I probably should make note that rsync -e ssh would do the trick. Actually, in 2.6.0 it's the default. Plus doing it this way forces clients to use the tunnel where as rsync -e ssh would still allow clients to connect insecurely. Mostly a learning expereince that I hope to carry to other projects. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From alfracto at comcast.net Thu Mar 11 08:51:29 2004 From: alfracto at comcast.net (alfracto@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users Message-ID: <031120041451.457.79f6@comcast.net> My red-hat distribution /etc/passwd file uses the script file /sbin/nologin for non-shell users. After creating my test ftp user 'newt' and newt's password, I edited passwd so that newt's login shell was /sbin/nologin. So far, newt can ftp just fine but cannot log into the box. Is this a real fix, or am I just hopelessly uninformed? A am more or less a mid-range dabbler in linux. Alex Williamson _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From alfracto at comcast.net Thu Mar 11 08:48:51 2004 From: alfracto at comcast.net (alfracto@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users Message-ID: <031120041448.14790.2358@comcast.net> My red-hat distribution /etc/passwd file uses the script file /sbin/nologin for non-shell users. After creating my test ftp user 'newt' and newt's password, I edited passwd so that newt's login shell was /sbin/nologin. So far, newt can ftp just fine but cannot log into the box. Is this a real fix, or am I just hopelessly uninformed? A am more or less a mid-range dabbler in linux. Alex Williamson _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Thu Mar 11 09:21:27 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users In-Reply-To: <031120041451.457.79f6@comcast.net> References: <031120041451.457.79f6@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040311152127.GA69203@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Mar 11, 2004), alfracto@comcast.net was madly tapping out: > My red-hat distribution /etc/passwd file uses the script file > /sbin/nologin for non-shell users. After creating my test ftp user > 'newt' and newt's password, I edited passwd so that newt's login > shell was /sbin/nologin. > > So far, newt can ftp just fine but cannot log into the box. > > Is this a real fix, or am I just hopelessly uninformed? A am more > or less a mid-range dabbler in linux. > if there's a real desire to have ftp specific accounts on a server without the hassle of creating separate accounts w/o shells, ~'s, etc. i highly recommend using an FTP server that supports virtual accounts that have nothing to do with the underlying auth system on your box. i know it's not free, but i highly recommend ncftpd[1], it's available for every interesting platform on earth and it's very reasonably priced. performance is phenomenal you save yourself the hassle of shell vs. no shell accounts and it's got more knobs than any other ftp server i've used. references ---------- [1] - http://www.ncftp.com -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Mar 11 10:36:01 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php References: Message-ID: <017301c40786$f10a4250$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Close writes: > I guess I'm looking for something more like a try/catch where if > there's an error, nothing will be displayed and the script will keep > on going. Exceptions don't work like that. They aren't used to ignore errors, but to handle them all in one place. With things like database calls, it is just as easy (if not easier) to simply use wrapper functions that handle all errors. Ignoring errors doesn't work well either. Suppose you have a page that retreives a list of names from the database and displays them. If you simply ignore MySQL errors and manage to still make everything work, you get an empty table. Is that really what you want? In most cases handling errors as they occur is the best solution. If you want an easy, "modern" object oriented language that supports exceptions, try Python. Personally, I dislike exceptions for most things. They are nice because they guarantee that all errors will be caught (assuming you don't do something stupid like a blanket catch). They suck because in many cases you need to handle errors individually as they occur. Thus exceptions end up being a lot more code without providing anything useful. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Mar 11 10:40:52 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php References: Message-ID: <01d801c40787$9db571f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Close writes: > Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'host' > (111) in /path/to/program.php on line 48 @mysql_connect() -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Thu Mar 11 11:45:02 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Thomas Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users In-Reply-To: <031120041451.457.79f6@comcast.net> References: <031120041451.457.79f6@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1079027102.26871.4020.camel@daedalus.1337consulting.net> Proftpd does a great job of this, it can reference your /etc/passwd so user accounts can login via ftp, and it can also manage it's own users outside of /etc/passwd.. gproftpd is a nice front-end to add users, monitor logins and traffic, kick offenders etc. On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 08:51, alfracto@comcast.net wrote: > My red-hat distribution /etc/passwd file uses the script file /sbin/nologin for > non-shell users. After creating my test ftp user 'newt' and newt's password, I > edited passwd so that newt's login shell was /sbin/nologin. > > So far, newt can ftp just fine but cannot log into the box. > > Is this a real fix, or am I just hopelessly uninformed? A am more or less a > mid-range dabbler in linux. > > Alex Williamson > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Mar 11 12:03:00 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Managing Your Money 7.2 Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Mar 11 11:56:10 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If the box is down, then the information just won't be diplayed or I'll display some sort of message saying it's down instead. So catching the error and ignoring it would be what I'm trying to do. What does the '@' in @mysql_connect() do? -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of David Phillips > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:36 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php > > > Josh Close writes: > > I guess I'm looking for something more like a try/catch where if > > there's an error, nothing will be displayed and the script will keep > > on going. > > Exceptions don't work like that. They aren't used to ignore > errors, but to > handle them all in one place. With things like database > calls, it is just > as easy (if not easier) to simply use wrapper functions that > handle all > errors. > > Ignoring errors doesn't work well either. Suppose you have a > page that > retreives a list of names from the database and displays them. If you > simply ignore MySQL errors and manage to still make > everything work, you get > an empty table. Is that really what you want? In most cases handling > errors as they occur is the best solution. > > If you want an easy, "modern" object oriented language that supports > exceptions, try Python. > > Personally, I dislike exceptions for most things. They are > nice because > they guarantee that all errors will be caught (assuming you don't do > something stupid like a blanket catch). They suck because in > many cases you > need to handle errors individually as they occur. Thus > exceptions end up > being a lot more code without providing anything useful. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Mar 11 13:00:26 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040311130026.0000441a@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:56:10 -0600 "Josh Close" wrote: > What does the '@' in @mysql_connect() do? http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.errorcontrol.php BTW, there is an active TCPHP group/list: http://www.tcphp.org/ Josh (the other one) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at MarkCourtney.com Thu Mar 11 13:05:56 2004 From: tclug at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47785.12.129.97.254.1079031956.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> > If the box is down, then the information just won't be diplayed or I'll > display some sort of message saying it's down instead. So catching the > error > and ignoring it would be what I'm trying to do. > > What does the '@' in @mysql_connect() do? The '@' in front of a function call supresses and error messages that the function might produce. FYI - There is a Twin Cities PHP Users' Group. http://www.tcphp.org People on that list are cool too. Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cobalt at holdingford.k12.mn.us Thu Mar 11 13:11:13 2004 From: cobalt at holdingford.k12.mn.us (Dana Millaway) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Training Advice Requested Message-ID: <003b01c4079c$9ec99480$c56000ae@tcat> Hello all. My apologies if some of you are part of both LUGs and get this twice. I just got back from a meeting with my superintendent where he gave me the go ahead to get training on Linux. Yippee! Could you recommend a place to get intensive, hands-on Linux training, preferably in central Minnesota? I have been doing online tutorials but I never get to stay at them long enough to retain what I am learning. I would like to go somewhere away from my work and family for a few days so I can concentrate on learning. I can probably get the superintendent to let me attend up to two 1 week classes if he is convinced they are really good classes. I need to, at a minimum, learn how to install and configure workstations and servers, how to set up and administer users and groups, how to set up access rights for directories and files and how to keep my systems up to date and secure. I will eventually go for a Novell Linux certification. We currently have a Cobalt Qube 3 (modified RH 6 or 7) and a white box running Slackware that is supposed to be a proxy/filtering server (probably soon to be moved to a Dell PowerEdge and changed to RH), and I am considering converting a lab of Win95 PII/266's to some flavor of Linux to get a little more life out of them, so I will have machines to work with to remember what I learn. At this time, I do as little command-line stuff as possible but I can probably pick it up - I used to do DOS TIA. D.S. Millaway District Technology Coordinator Holdingford Public School _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Mar 11 13:36:53 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Training Advice Requested In-Reply-To: <003b01c4079c$9ec99480$c56000ae@tcat> References: <003b01c4079c$9ec99480$c56000ae@tcat> Message-ID: <1079033812.23828.456.camel@unixws1> > Could you recommend a place to get intensive, hands-on Linux training, > preferably in central Minnesota? Work at an ISP that runs Linux :) Seriously, maybe Bob or Brett will let you volunteer for a week. Techskills is in Bloomington (actually they are right next door to us...) I know they do some unix training, but I don't know if it's Linux specific or how good it is. From what I know of them they specialize in Windows training, but offer low-end cisco (CCNA and CCDP) and unix. > running Slackware that is supposed to be a proxy/filtering server (probably > soon to be moved to a Dell PowerEdge and changed to RH), and I am HERETIC! :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Mar 11 13:40:54 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very nice, that will solve the issue here. I signed up with tcphp.org also. -Josh (the other other one) > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Trutwin [mailto:josh@trutwins.homeip.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 1:00 PM > To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mysql_connect with php > > > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:56:10 -0600 > "Josh Close" wrote: > > > What does the '@' in @mysql_connect() do? > > http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.errorcontrol.php > > BTW, there is an active TCPHP group/list: http://www.tcphp.org/ > > Josh (the other one) > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Mar 11 14:14:13 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Odd message. Message-ID: <4050C895.6070902@visi.com> Red Hat 8.0 Compaq Armada 7400 When I login after a shutdown power off, I get the following message. Everything seams to work. I think it's sound but I'm not sure. In any case I find the word "Spurious" to be very humorous in this case. It's a computer for crying out loud! :o) Spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ 7 I googled it and found the following link and several others. http://www7.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~ksjh/research/cluster/timesync/sprint.html Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Mar 11 14:26:59 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Odd message. In-Reply-To: <4050C895.6070902@visi.com> References: <4050C895.6070902@visi.com> Message-ID: <1079036817.23828.465.camel@unixws1> Do you have anything plugged into your parallel port? (Or is IRQ 7 being assigned to something else by BIOS?) lp1 on fire? On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 14:14, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Red Hat 8.0 > Compaq Armada 7400 > > When I login after a shutdown power off, I get the following message. > Everything seams to work. > I think it's sound but I'm not sure. > In any case I find the word "Spurious" to be very humorous in this case. > It's a computer for crying out loud! :o) > > Spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ 7 > > I googled it and found the following link and several others. > > http://www7.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~ksjh/research/cluster/timesync/sprint.html > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Mar 11 14:51:37 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Odd message. In-Reply-To: <4050C895.6070902@visi.com> References: <4050C895.6070902@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ 7 for all intents and purposes this is normal, dont worry about it > I googled it and found the following link and several others. > > http://www7.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~ksjh/research/cluster/timesync/sprint.html and i googled and came up with: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0201.3/0814.html http://jmz.iki.fi/en.php/article/1057989236 its seems like my schwartz is better than your schwartz. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Mar 11 14:52:19 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Odd message. In-Reply-To: <1079036817.23828.465.camel@unixws1> References: <4050C895.6070902@visi.com> <1079036817.23828.465.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <4050D183.8060503@visi.com> Nothing plugged in to the parallel port. I may have Sound going to IRQ 7 I need to check that when I have a moment ehehehehe... Sam. Adam Maloney wrote: >Do you have anything plugged into your parallel port? (Or is IRQ 7 >being assigned to something else by BIOS?) > >lp1 on fire? > >On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 14:14, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > >>Red Hat 8.0 >>Compaq Armada 7400 >> >>When I login after a shutdown power off, I get the following message. >>Everything seams to work. >>I think it's sound but I'm not sure. >>In any case I find the word "Spurious" to be very humorous in this case. >>It's a computer for crying out loud! :o) >> >>Spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ 7 >> >>I googled it and found the following link and several others. >> >>http://www7.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~ksjh/research/cluster/timesync/sprint.html >> >>Sam. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ozark72949 at myrealbox.com Thu Mar 11 15:18:52 2004 From: ozark72949 at myrealbox.com (Allan F) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Training Advice Requested In-Reply-To: <003b01c4079c$9ec99480$c56000ae@tcat> References: <003b01c4079c$9ec99480$c56000ae@tcat> Message-ID: <4050D7BC.4050605@myrealbox.com> Saint Paul College (formally known as Saint Paul Technical College) has some Solaris and some Linux classes. Both programming and admin types. Dana Millaway wrote: >Hello all. My apologies if some of you are part of both LUGs and get this >twice. >I just got back from a meeting with my superintendent where he gave me the >go ahead to get training on Linux. Yippee! > >Could you recommend a place to get intensive, hands-on Linux training, >preferably in central Minnesota? > >I have been doing online tutorials but I never get to stay at them long >enough to retain what I am learning. I would like to go somewhere away from >my work and family for a few days so I can concentrate on learning. I can >probably get the superintendent to let me attend up to two 1 week classes if >he is convinced they are really good classes. >I need to, at a minimum, learn how to install and configure workstations and >servers, how to set up and administer users and groups, how to set up access >rights for directories and files and how to keep my systems up to date and >secure. I will eventually go for a Novell Linux certification. > >We currently have a Cobalt Qube 3 (modified RH 6 or 7) and a white box >running Slackware that is supposed to be a proxy/filtering server (probably >soon to be moved to a Dell PowerEdge and changed to RH), and I am >considering converting a lab of Win95 PII/266's to some flavor of Linux to >get a little more life out of them, so I will have machines to work with to >remember what I learn. At this time, I do as little command-line stuff as >possible but I can probably pick it up - I used to do DOS > >TIA. > >D.S. Millaway >District Technology Coordinator >Holdingford Public School > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Thu Mar 11 15:35:11 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Training Advice Requested References: <003b01c4079c$9ec99480$c56000ae@tcat> <4050D7BC.4050605@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <00a801c407b0$c28ee640$0300000a@net.tsinks> Inver Hills Community College and several others have Linux classes. Also, there are several roving classes from Red Hat and others that land here off and on during the year. Inver Hills http://depts.inverhills.edu/cect/ Minnesota State Colleges http://www.mnscu.edu/ Linux Professional Institute http://lpi.org/en/home.html Check Red Hat, Suse, etc. for links to courses and schools, etc. The biggest problem with most of the certification is for only one OS or vendor. I have all kinds of HP certification which is no good as far as a Sun or AIX shop is concerned. But I have worked on all three and I started with Xenix. So pick your poison. Keep looking up, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan F" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Training Advice Requested > Saint Paul College (formally known as Saint Paul Technical College) has > some Solaris and some Linux classes. Both programming and admin types. > > Dana Millaway wrote: > > >Hello all. My apologies if some of you are part of both LUGs and get this > >twice. > >I just got back from a meeting with my superintendent where he gave me the > >go ahead to get training on Linux. Yippee! > > > >Could you recommend a place to get intensive, hands-on Linux training, > >preferably in central Minnesota? > > > >I have been doing online tutorials but I never get to stay at them long > >enough to retain what I am learning. I would like to go somewhere away from > >my work and family for a few days so I can concentrate on learning. I can > >probably get the superintendent to let me attend up to two 1 week classes if > >he is convinced they are really good classes. > >I need to, at a minimum, learn how to install and configure workstations and > >servers, how to set up and administer users and groups, how to set up access > >rights for directories and files and how to keep my systems up to date and > >secure. I will eventually go for a Novell Linux certification. > > > >We currently have a Cobalt Qube 3 (modified RH 6 or 7) and a white box > >running Slackware that is supposed to be a proxy/filtering server (probably > >soon to be moved to a Dell PowerEdge and changed to RH), and I am > >considering converting a lab of Win95 PII/266's to some flavor of Linux to > >get a little more life out of them, so I will have machines to work with to > >remember what I learn. At this time, I do as little command-line stuff as > >possible but I can probably pick it up - I used to do DOS > > > >TIA. > > > >D.S. Millaway > >District Technology Coordinator > >Holdingford Public School > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Mar 11 15:47:42 2004 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? Message-ID: Anyone running an AGP and a PCI video card in their system? Nvidia, ATI, or Matrox? Some combination? I'm trying to get a handle on a multi-monitor desktop system. Ideally, I'd like to use 3 monitors. Almost all of the information that I've been able to find looks MS Windows specific. >From what I've been able to find, two Radeon cards don't play well together. An ATI and a Radeon might play nice together. Matrox cards appear to be the most common for driving three monitors. I'm not very concerned with 3d performance under linux. I'm really looking for fast performance in X-windows. Any suggestions? Jeff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ozark72949 at myrealbox.com Thu Mar 11 15:50:54 2004 From: ozark72949 at myrealbox.com (Allan F) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? In-Reply-To: <1078868759.26899.22158.camel@3po> References: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> <404D45B2.3050205@myrealbox.com> <1078868759.26899.22158.camel@3po> Message-ID: <4050DF3E.5070400@myrealbox.com> Yes, "apci" is an option and it is for "Application-Layer Protocol Control Information" which is not to be confused with "acpi" for "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface" (power managment). Mike Hicks wrote: >On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 22:18, Allan F wrote: > > >>I run VMWare 3.2 on my laptop with SuSE 9.0. For this version, I had to >>include "apci" (This is not a power managment option!) as a boot option. >> >> > >Hmm. apci is not an option. You must be thinking of acpi or apic. The >power-managing one is acpi (though it does all sorts of other neat >things when it actually works), apic is an advanced interrupt >controller, from what I recall. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Mar 11 16:11:28 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:47:42 -0600 (CST), wrote: > > Anyone running an AGP and a PCI video card in their system? Nvidia, ATI, > or Matrox? Some combination? > yeah - AGP and PCI in a dell > I'm trying to get a handle on a multi-monitor desktop system. Ideally, > I'd like to use 3 monitors. Almost all of the information that I've been > able to find looks MS Windows specific. google up stuff concerning xinerama dual head etc... > >> From what I've been able to find, two Radeon cards don't play well > together. An ATI and a Radeon might play nice together. Matrox cards > appear to be the most common for driving three monitors. > I had a ATI and Nvida > I'm not very concerned with 3d performance under linux. that'll save you some time and trouble... > I'm really > looking for fast performance in X-windows. > Don't know if it'll be FASTER, but you'll have a bit more desktop room.... I can forward my XF86Config file on - and you can check out the dual set up... let me know if you'd like it... > Any suggestions? > > Jeff > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Mar 11 16:19:56 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? In-Reply-To: (jeffr@odeon.net) References: Message-ID: <200403112219.i2BMJux07168@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Jeff wrote: >>From what I've been able to find, two Radeon cards don't play well >together. An ATI and a Radeon might play nice together. Matrox cards >appear to be the most common for driving three monitors. >I'm not very concerned with 3d performance under linux. I'm really >looking for fast performance in X-windows. >Any suggestions? Stick with Matrox. I have a Matrox G450 that drives two monitors just fine. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at sift.info Thu Mar 11 16:30:21 2004 From: rpgoldman at sift.info (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Palms and shared calendars Message-ID: <16464.59517.112069.623489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> My wife and I both have palms and both have Linux desktops. We'd love to have a way to share our calendars, without resorting to putting things out on the wild, wooly internet (but putting them onto a private Apache server would be fine). Does anybody know of a solution to this problem? It would involve a desktop calendaring program, a conduit from that desktop calendaring program to a shared calendar, and a conduit from the desktop calendaring program to Palms. The last time I checked, the kde pilot stuff (KDE would be my first choice for familiarity reasons) had a frighteningly alpha feel to it. I'm afraid I'm pretty ignorant about Evolution. Thanks for any advice! I feel like this is a FAQ, but since the answer probably changes pretty rapidly, felt it was probably ok to ask again.... cheers, r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Mar 11 16:37:06 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? In-Reply-To: <200403112219.i2BMJux07168@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: On 3/11/04 4:19 PM, "Ken Fuchs" wrote: > Stick with Matrox. I have a Matrox G450 that drives two monitors just > fine. There's one gotcha there. There's no 3D support when using both outputs. That's not much of a problem unless you're a gamer. At least it wasn't for me. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Mar 11 16:39:56 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD50178EA1B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I would be interested in this, I have been considering doing this for some time now and just haven't really had the time to look into it Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Fulcrum Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:11 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? I can forward my XF86Config file on - and you can check out the dual set up... let me know if you'd like it.. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at MarkCourtney.com Thu Mar 11 17:00:13 2004 From: tclug at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Palms and shared calendars In-Reply-To: <16464.59517.112069.623489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16464.59517.112069.623489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <43015.12.129.97.254.1079046013.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I'd agree with the alpha feel of the kde pilot stuff. I've never got it to sync my treo. Jpilot, however, seems to work rather well. http://jpilot.org It comes with RedHat 9 and Mandrake 9.2. Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ > > My wife and I both have palms and both have Linux desktops. We'd love > to have a way to share our calendars, without resorting to putting > things out on the wild, wooly internet (but putting them onto > a private Apache server would be fine). > > Does anybody know of a solution to this problem? It would involve a > desktop calendaring program, a conduit from that desktop calendaring > program to a shared calendar, and a conduit from the desktop > calendaring program to Palms. > > The last time I checked, the kde pilot stuff (KDE would be my first > choice for familiarity reasons) had a frighteningly alpha feel to it. > I'm afraid I'm pretty ignorant about Evolution. > > Thanks for any advice! I feel like this is a FAQ, but since the > answer probably changes pretty rapidly, felt it was probably ok to ask > again.... > > cheers, > r > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Mar 11 19:51:49 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Armada - on boot no action Message-ID: I have a Compaq Armada 7800 pII 366mhz. When I power up, I get nothing. No whizzing hard drive, no lights blinking. Any ideas? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Mar 11 20:03:27 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? In-Reply-To: (message from Tim Wilson on Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:37:06 -0600) References: Message-ID: <200403120203.i2C23Re10641@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >On 3/11/04 4:19 PM, "Ken Fuchs" wrote: >> Stick with Matrox. I have a Matrox G450 that drives two monitors just >> fine. Tim Wilson wrote: >There's one gotcha there. There's no 3D support when using both outputs. >That's not much of a problem unless you're a gamer. At least it wasn't for >me. Jeff (the original poster) wrote: >I'm not very concerned with 3d performance under Linux. I'm really >looking for fast performance in X-windows. I interpreted that to mean great 2D performance and little or no 3D. Jeff also wanted 3 video signals. Probably one AGP dual head such as the Matrox G450. If moderate 3d speed is desired, maybe a high quality PCI video card could provide that. Matrox also provides the best video signal quality (easier on the eyes) of any main stream video card manufacturer. Sometimes you can't put a price on the eye strain reducing quality of a video card. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Thu Mar 11 21:06:24 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Training Advice Requested In-Reply-To: <1079033812.23828.456.camel@unixws1> References: <003b01c4079c$9ec99480$c56000ae@tcat> <1079033812.23828.456.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <109826366.20040311210624@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Thursday, March 11, 2004 @ 9:05:28 PM Central Standard Time >> running Slackware that is supposed to be a proxy/filtering server (probably >> soon to be moved to a Dell PowerEdge and changed to RH), and I am AM> HERETIC! :) INFIDEL!!! LOL Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com ********************************************************* Thursday, March 11, 2004, 1:36:53 PM, you wrote: >> Could you recommend a place to get intensive, hands-on Linux training, >> preferably in central Minnesota? AM> Work at an ISP that runs Linux :) Seriously, maybe Bob or Brett will AM> let you volunteer for a week. AM> Techskills is in Bloomington (actually they are right next door to AM> us...) I know they do some unix training, but I don't know if it's AM> Linux specific or how good it is. From what I know of them they AM> specialize in Windows training, but offer low-end cisco (CCNA and CCDP) AM> and unix. AM> _______________________________________________ AM> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota AM> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org AM> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Thu Mar 11 21:20:23 2004 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Armada - on boot no action In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c407e0$f4ca64b0$0439a8c0@Kurama> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of PHPTOm > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:52 PM > To: Tclug-List@Mn-Linux. Org > Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Armada - on boot no action > > I have a Compaq Armada 7800 pII 366mhz. > > When I power up, I get nothing. No whizzing hard drive, no lights > blinking. > Any ideas? > > TOm > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Are you getting any indication that power is being supplied to the system? What happens when you hit the power button? Joseph Key _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Thu Mar 11 09:37:53 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG BSP: Info About Bug Squashing In-Reply-To: <20040310205347.GF25180@wookimus.net> References: <20040310205347.GF25180@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1079019473.5036.8.camel@localhost> Can newbies come along? I would like to learn more programming and don't know where to expand beyond the "hello world" stage. Jason On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 14:53, Chad Walstrom wrote: > A question was posed by some of the people who will be attending the > TCLUG BSP on Saturday on what type of general information they would > need for the event. So, here you go: > > GENERAL BUGS > ============ > Most software packages have some sort of bug tracking software > associated with their respective projects. Information can usually be > found in the README or similar document for the package itself. For > example, projects hosted at Source Forge have bug reports published for > all to see. The best way to approach this might be to join the > developer's email list or send email to the software author(s) and ask > what type of help you could provide. You don't want to work on a bug > that might already be fixed in some development branch of the software. > > Another tip that is helpful is to check out the upstream CVS and inspect > the log files for yourself. In any case, communication is the key. Let > the developers of the software know you're going to put some time in to > solving Problem X or Y. > > DEBIAN BUGS > =========== > For every package that Debian distributes, a corresponding bug tracking > category is created. Debian's Release Critical (RC) bugs are those with > a severity greater than "Normal", which includes "Important", "Grave", > and "Critical". Debian bug and RC bugs can be found at the following > URIs: > > http://bugs.debian.org/ > http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ > > A list of QA chosen Bug Squashing Party bugs are here: > > http://bugs.qa.debian.org/ > > The Debian Quality Assurance page holds more general info and reference > links to different types of bugs and help that is needed: > > http://qa.debian.org/ > > For example, there is a link for bugs labeled "help" at > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=help > > For bugs that we want to squash, the Release Manager, Anthony Towns, > announced[1] a special little CGI program for claiming bugs. > > 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200308/msg00010.html > > To help coordinate RC bug fixing and BSPs, you can make use of the > "BugSquash Claims" page, at: > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/claims.cgi > > It's populated by creating files in > > master:/org/bugs.debian.org/bugsquash/claims/ > > named after your username @debian.org, and entering one bug number > per line. Developers who're participating in the BSP should enter > the bugs they're working on into there, and might like to check to > see if anyone else has "claimed" the bug to avoid duplication of > work. Once you've got the bug patched and NMUed, it'll remain on the > page for a while, for bragging rights. Also interesting might be > urls such as: > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/claims.cgi?include=ajt@d.o > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/claims.cgi?exclude=pending,fixed > > Remember, we're not prospecting for gold here: claims are advisory > only; if you really want to fix a bug, and can't seem to get a hold > of whoever's got a claim, don't worry about it -- fix the bug > yourself, and mail your findings to the bug report. If you want to > do duplicate work, that's your business. > > There will be at least two Debian Developers at the BSP, myself and Ken. > We can sponsor any bugs that you might want to work on and participate > in the BugSquash Claims page (if it's still up). > > Well, I hope that helped people a little. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Mar 11 21:48:50 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Armada - on boot no action In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040312034850.GA25530@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 07:51:49PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: > I have a Compaq Armada 7800 pII 366mhz. > > When I power up, I get nothing. No whizzing hard drive, no lights > blinking. Any ideas? > Don't buy any more laptops from Sam? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Mar 11 22:27:48 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Armada - on boot no action In-Reply-To: <20040312034850.GA25530@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20040312034850.GA25530@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <1079065668.990.13.camel@barad> I stand behind what I sell. The machines were wiped clean this means, nothing on the hard drives. Compaq uses a system partition for system setup. Down load the system setup and diagnostics disks from the compaq site. Create the diskettes and boot from the system diskette. Be sure the hard disk and other drives are seated. If you can't get it to work bring it back and I'll fix it, replace it, or refund your money. I'll be at Scout camp for the weekend so next week some time would be best. In this case a "rimshot" should not have been made. We may defend our stance on what distribution we use and take a shot for that, but not our personal integrity. I would never intentionally sell something that does not work. Sam. On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 21:48, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 07:51:49PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: > > I have a Compaq Armada 7800 pII 366mhz. > > > > When I power up, I get nothing. No whizzing hard drive, no lights > > blinking. Any ideas? > > > > Don't buy any more laptops from Sam? > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Mar 11 22:32:11 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Armada - on boot no action In-Reply-To: <20040312034850.GA25530@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20040312034850.GA25530@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <1079065930.990.19.camel@barad> I've replied to Tom and John both on and off list. Sam. On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 21:48, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 07:51:49PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: > > I have a Compaq Armada 7800 pII 366mhz. > > > > When I power up, I get nothing. No whizzing hard drive, no lights > > blinking. Any ideas? > > > > Don't buy any more laptops from Sam? > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Mar 11 22:36:50 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG BSP: Info About Bug Squashing In-Reply-To: <1079019473.5036.8.camel@localhost> References: <20040310205347.GF25180@wookimus.net> <1079019473.5036.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20040312043650.GD6352@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Mar 11 23:07:09 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Armada - on boot no action In-Reply-To: <20040312034850.GA25530@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20040312034850.GA25530@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20040312050709.GB27384@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 09:48:50PM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 07:51:49PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: > > I have a Compaq Armada 7800 pII 366mhz. > > > > When I power up, I get nothing. No whizzing hard drive, no lights > > blinking. Any ideas? > > > > Don't buy any more laptops from Sam? > > > I'd like to clarify publicly: => the "" was intended to indicate a joke => I've bought at least two pieces of hardware from Sam, and have no complaints about either one I apologize to Sam for any offense I may have caused. Sometimes one man's joke is another man's insult. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Mar 11 23:27:29 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Armada - on boot no action In-Reply-To: <20040312050709.GB27384@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20040312034850.GA25530@mail.el-swifto.com> <20040312050709.GB27384@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <40514A41.4020908@visi.com> Thank you. Sam. John J. Trammell wrote: >On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 09:48:50PM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > > >>On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 07:51:49PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: >> >> >>>I have a Compaq Armada 7800 pII 366mhz. >>> >>>When I power up, I get nothing. No whizzing hard drive, no lights >>>blinking. Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> >>Don't buy any more laptops from Sam? >> >> >> >> >> > >I'd like to clarify publicly: > >=> the "" was intended to indicate a joke >=> I've bought at least two pieces of hardware from Sam, and > have no complaints about either one > >I apologize to Sam for any offense I may have caused. Sometimes >one man's joke is another man's insult. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Thu Mar 11 23:27:27 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG BSP: Info About Bug Squashing In-Reply-To: <20040312043650.GD6352@wookimus.net> References: <20040310205347.GF25180@wookimus.net> <1079019473.5036.8.camel@localhost> <20040312043650.GD6352@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1079069247.5034.16.camel@localhost> Sorry, im new to TCLUG. That was my first post :) What is Kens info? As for my computer, I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 850mhz running gentoo. I can also have a 8 port switch and an 802.11b access point for all the wifi lovers that I can bring. On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 22:36, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 09:37:53AM -0600, Jason Sievert wrote: > > Can newbies come along? I would like to learn more programming and > > don't know where to expand beyond the "hello world" stage. > > Absolutely. Just let Ken know what type of machine you're going to > bring (even a slow laptop is useful with ssh and screen). How many > people are we up to, now? 11? 12 if we count IRC participants. ;-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Mar 12 00:24:52 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp users References: <031120041451.457.79f6@comcast.net> <1079027102.26871.4020.camel@daedalus.1337consulting.net> Message-ID: <001a01c407fa$ba75b070$0201a8c0@brinstar> Thomas Hudak writes: > Proftpd does a great job of this ProFTPD has also had at least half a dozen remote root security holes. I recommend vsftpd or NcFTPd. NcFTPd is great for virtual users since it can use a custom external authentication daemon. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Mar 12 00:32:03 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? References: <200403120203.i2C23Re10641@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <008001c407fb$bb807440$0201a8c0@brinstar> Ken Fuchs writes: > If moderate 3d speed is desired, maybe a high > quality PCI video card could provide that. I have a low end PCI GeForce4 at work that gets 50fps at 1152x864x32 (max visuals) in Quake 3. Using an NVIDIA card (PCI or AGP) as the primary card and a Matrox G450 DualHead as the secondary card should work out well for the times you need decent 3D performance. Matrox seems to make the best quality multiple display cards. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Fri Mar 12 07:05:05 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QEMU as open source VMware replacement? Message-ID: <4051B581.9010300@info9.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Mar 12 07:31:15 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Armada - on boot no action In-Reply-To: <000a01c407e0$f4ca64b0$0439a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: I do get power. I hear I need to get setup disks from compaq. I will try that. TOm > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn- > > linux.org] On Behalf Of PHPTOm > > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:52 PM > > To: Tclug-List@Mn-Linux. Org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq Armada - on boot no action > > > > I have a Compaq Armada 7800 pII 366mhz. > > > > When I power up, I get nothing. No whizzing hard drive, no lights > > blinking. > > Any ideas? > > > > TOm > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > Are you getting any indication that power is being supplied to the > system? What happens when you hit the power button? > > Joseph Key > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From superbeast at evilcricket.com Fri Mar 12 07:37:33 2004 From: superbeast at evilcricket.com (kevin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router Message-ID: Hello- A friend of mine (really, it's not me!) has gotten himself in too deep on a project. Basically, a client of his has two locations. They want to run a T1 between the locations, and then from one office run a T1 connection to the Internet. Unfortunately, he know nothing about routers. While there might be better solutions, I was wondering if he could set something up like this: 1. site 1 has a linux server with two NICs, one connected to the local subnet, and one connected to the T1 subnet 2. site 2 has a linux server with three NICs, one connected to the local subnet, one to the T1 subnet, and the third connected to the T1 which has Internet access. Could this work? If it would work, would I need to add static routes on the box with 3 NICs or could it figure out how to send some traffic to the Internet and some to the other site? Thanks! Kevin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Mar 12 08:09:42 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, kevin wrote: > A friend of mine (really, it's not me!) has gotten himself in too deep on a > project. Sure, "a friend"... ;) > Basically, a client of his has two locations. They want to run a T1 between > the locations, and then from one office run a T1 connection to the Internet. > Unfortunately, he know nothing about routers. As long as there's something terminating the T1 connections that works. > While there might be better solutions, I was wondering if he could set > something up like this: > > 1. site 1 has a linux server with two NICs, one connected to the local > subnet, and one connected to the T1 subnet > 2. site 2 has a linux server with three NICs, one connected to the local > subnet, one to the T1 subnet, and the third connected to the T1 which has > Internet access. > > Could this work? Totally. > If it would work, would I need to add static routes on the box with 3 NICs > or could it figure out how to send some traffic to the Internet and some to > the other site? Yeah, you'd probably have to explicitly tell it the route to get to Site 1's local subnet. That's not hard, though. The truly paranoid (not me...okay, maybe me) could set up something like FreeS/WAN or Openswan over the point-to-point T1 link, to encrypt the data flowing between the sites. Maybe unnecessary, but it would handle the route creation for Site 2 -> Site 1. :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Mar 12 08:14:28 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079100867.28713.36.camel@unixws1> > Basically, a client of his has two locations. They want to run a T1 between > the locations, and then from one office run a T1 connection to the Internet. > Unfortunately, he know nothing about routers. I couldn't quite gather from your message the purpous of the Linux boxes in the picture. You'll still need a router with a T-1 interface at each site. (Details on Linux T-1 routers below...) So at the site with the single T-1, you'll need a T-1 router, like a cisco 16xx, 17xx, 25xx or 26xx (and possibly a CSU/DSU depending on what kind of crisco you buy). The cisco will have an ethernet interface and a T-1 interface. You'd have to get the IP information from your ISP, but a typical configuration would be to have a seperate block of IP's for each site, as well as a /30 (block of 2 usable IP's) for the private T-1 link, and another /30 that your ISP will assign you for the host site's T-1 link to the internet. As far as the routing goes, by far the easiest way to do it would require only 1 static route at the host site (these are cisco commands...) besides the normal default route: Host site router: ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 private-t1-link-ip ! The client site has 192.168.1.0/24 then set a default: ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 internet-t1-link-ip ! Set a default route to the internet Client site router: ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 private-t1-link-ip ! Traffic for the local network will automatically be sent out the local ! ethernet interface (does not need a route defined), since eth0 will ! have an IP on that network Now, there are companies that sell T-1 interface cards for PC's that are supported by Linux, so you don't /have/ to buy a real router. But your ISP will probably not be able to help you configure it, so support will be an issue. It would work though, Linux is able to act as a router. In fact, I know of at least a couple of companies that sell linux-based T-1 (and ATM and whatnot) routers using x86 hardware. I have no experience with them though. But with the cost of a used 2501 nowadays the money you might save on hardware probably won't be worth the extra support headaches. (You can get a 2501 (2 T-1 ports) for a few hundred bucks, and then buy a couple of cheap CSU's) Another thing to think about is the T-1 setup itself. It might be cheaper to buy a frame T-1 at the host site and have 2 PVC's, 1 to the internet and 1 to the client site. This way you're only buying 1 telco loop at the host site (it's physically 1 T-1...) So: ISP cost for frame T-1 internet access: $xxx Local frame loop at host site: ~ $300/month host site PVC's: ~ $50/month each (2 of these = $100) Client site frame loop: ~ $300/month Client site PVC to host: ~ $50/month This saves you about $300/month since you don't need 2 physical T-1's at the host site. The drawback is that you can't get full speed on both the internet T-1 and the client T-1 simultaneously, since they share the same 1.5Mbit. If they haven't purchased the internet T-1 yet, contact me off-list for pricing. We can do internet T-1's *really* cheap. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Fri Mar 12 08:12:24 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1424673640.20040312081224@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Friday, March 12, 2004 @ 7:46:34 AM Central Standard Time k> 1. site 1 has a linux server with two NICs, one connected to the local k> subnet, and one connected to the T1 subnet k> 2. site 2 has a linux server with three NICs, one connected to the local k> subnet, one to the T1 subnet, and the third connected to the T1 which has k> Internet access. Does your friend want to monitor (control) site 1 & run the internet through site 2 for this reason, or are they using some heavy bandwidth stuff (terminal services, citrix, etc.) ?? Perhaps it is too early for me, and I need coffee, but I would abort mission on the 3rd T1 @ site 2. Just let site 1 & site 2 have direct access to the "Cloud" (their own T1) , and then set-up a VPN between the site 1 & site 2 LAN's (using the existing 2 x T1's). With the VPN, then Site 1 can happily use the servers/services at site 2 (or the other way). Also, with this set-up, you could still have site 1 access the internet through site 2, through your VPN if you would like. But, I guess, without knowing exactly what your friend is trying to accomplish, it's hard to offer advice.. Good Luck & Kind Regards, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Fri Mar 12 08:32:34 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router Message-ID: >>> superbeast@evilcricket.com 03/12/04 07:37AM >>> > Hello- > A friend of mine (really, it's not me!) has gotten himself in too deep on a > project. > Basically, a client of his has two locations. They want to run a T1 between > the locations, and then from one office run a T1 connection to the Internet. > Unfortunately, he know nothing about routers. > While there might be better solutions, I was wondering if he could set > something up like this: > 1. site 1 has a linux server with two NICs, one connected to the local > subnet, and one connected to the T1 subnet > 2. site 2 has a linux server with three NICs, one connected to the local > subnet, one to the T1 subnet, and the third connected to the T1 which has > Internet access. > Could this work? Well, yes, I suppose it could work. You will need a synchronous serial interface in the linux router to which you can connect the T1 CSU/DSU (think of it as a digital modem, it will make it easier on your brain). You will need one of these for each T1 Line. Alternatively, he could purchase some inexpensive routers to terminate the T1 circuits and provide routing, then use your Linux systems as firewalls and etc. Used Cisco 2503s would be more than sufficient, or the newer Cisco 1720 modular router - that can have the CSU/DSU built in. > If it would work, would I need to add static routes on the box with 3 NICs > or could it figure out how to send some traffic to the Internet and some to > the other site? For such a small installation, static routes would be very efficient. Alternatively, he could run RIP or OSPF to maintain routing. Let me know if you want more detail. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 12 08:40:52 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! Message-ID: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Mar 12 08:59:30 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> References: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Florin Iucha wrote: > What's up? What should I do? did you follow the ritual sacrifice of the virgin chicken completely? you did not leave out certain obscure ingredients? you did not cough when you could not pronounce/remember certain words? -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 12 09:06:27 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: References: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20040312150627.GZ2567@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 12 09:14:10 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> References: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Florin Iucha wrote: > First of all thank you guys for the info on the 1.5 Mbps DSL. I just got > it and it works great! > > Well, almost... > > I NAT-ed ports 22, 25 and 80 to my internal box. So far so good. I > started getting mail from the lists I am subscribed to, except LKML.=20 > When I try a portscan of my domain (iucha.net) from the office, I get > only ports 22 and 80 open.=20 > > Telnet 25 from my office SUN machine fails with "connection timeout". > Telnet 25 from my office Windows2k machine succeeds. Ssh from my office > Windows2k machine fails with "connection timeout". > > I tried testing with http://vger.kernel.org/mxverify.html. The first two > fail with "connection timeout", the third one succeeds! > > What's up? What should I do? Do you have ECN turned on? One good thing to do would be put a hub between your Linux box and the Actiontec, put another Linux box on that hub, and run Ethereal or tcpdump. This will let you see if the Actiontec is actually passing the traffic or not. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Mar 12 09:21:48 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: <20040312150627.GZ2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 08:59:30AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > > did not leave out certain obscure ingredients? you did not cough when you > > could not pronounce/remember certain words? > > I can curse fluently in three languages... Klaatu Barrada *mumble*! Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 12 09:31:39 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: References: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20040312153139.GA2567@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Mar 12 09:20:51 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> References: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1079104850.28713.40.camel@unixws1> MX for iucha.net is mail.iucha.net, which I resolve to 209.98.146.184. The ping times would seem to indicate to me a DSL line, and I can get to the SMTP port: 220 mail.iucha.net ESMTP Postfix So it looks okay from a completely external source. Assuming mail.iucha.net is setup to accept mail properly and whatnot. But the network-side looks okay. On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 08:40, Florin Iucha wrote: > First of all thank you guys for the info on the 1.5 Mbps DSL. I just > got it and it works great! > > Well, almost... > > I NAT-ed ports 22, 25 and 80 to my internal box. So far so good. I > started getting mail from the lists I am subscribed to, except LKML.=20 > When I try a portscan of my domain (iucha.net) from the office, I get > only ports 22 and 80 open.=20 > > Telnet 25 from my office SUN machine fails with "connection timeout". > Telnet 25 from my office Windows2k machine succeeds. > Ssh from my office Windows2k machine fails with "connection timeout". > > I tried testing with http://vger.kernel.org/mxverify.html. The first > two fail with "connection timeout", the third one succeeds! > > What's up? What should I do? > > Thank you, > florin > > -- > > Don't question authority: they don't know either! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From superbeast at evilcricket.com Fri Mar 12 09:18:35 2004 From: superbeast at evilcricket.com (kevin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies! To go in to more specific detail, the traffice from Site1 to Site2 will be fairly high bandwidth. I believe they have a client/server app running over it. I guess I assumed something I should not have. I have never set up a T1. I thought that when you order one, the end result (from the phone company) was an Ethernet connection that you simply connected a device with an IP to. It looks like that may be an incorrect assumption. It looks like a router with a T1 interface and an Ethernet interface is required. Does this Ethernet interface have an IP? If so, do I just connect these routers to switches at each end and voila! the sites can talk to each other (disregarding the Internet T1)? I suppose this is getting a little off topic. I'm really just curious as to how to set a T1 up. Are there any good sites explaining it? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of kevin Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:38 AM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] linux router Hello- A friend of mine (really, it's not me!) has gotten himself in too deep on a project. Basically, a client of his has two locations. They want to run a T1 between the locations, and then from one office run a T1 connection to the Internet. Unfortunately, he know nothing about routers. While there might be better solutions, I was wondering if he could set something up like this: 1. site 1 has a linux server with two NICs, one connected to the local subnet, and one connected to the T1 subnet 2. site 2 has a linux server with three NICs, one connected to the local subnet, one to the T1 subnet, and the third connected to the T1 which has Internet access. Could this work? If it would work, would I need to add static routes on the box with 3 NICs or could it figure out how to send some traffic to the Internet and some to the other site? Thanks! Kevin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Fri Mar 12 09:44:15 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63CBB@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: florin@iucha.net [mailto:florin@iucha.net] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 8:41 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! > > This site can be helpful http://www.dnsreport.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Fri Mar 12 09:50:19 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router References: Message-ID: <00a001c40849$bf5e9c60$0300000a@net.tsinks> You can use ports, a form of dynamic NAT, - PAT, to differentiate the same NIC card usage in the one machine. 192.168.0.1:3025 Be sure they are unique and check your services file for open numbers and put it in. This way you can have multiple traffic through the card and the port acts as a specific assignment beyond the NIC address so it doesn't get confused. It is an easy way to lock something in to an internal program watching for the traffic and picking it up. Use your internal numbers to transfer after the initial connection through the router or server. You can even give another number to the remote socket, but usually you use the same number.. Keep looking up, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: [TCLUG] linux router > Hello- > > A friend of mine (really, it's not me!) has gotten himself in too deep on a > project. > > Basically, a client of his has two locations. They want to run a T1 between > the locations, and then from one office run a T1 connection to the Internet. > Unfortunately, he know nothing about routers. > > While there might be better solutions, I was wondering if he could set > something up like this: > > 1. site 1 has a linux server with two NICs, one connected to the local > subnet, and one connected to the T1 subnet > 2. site 2 has a linux server with three NICs, one connected to the local > subnet, one to the T1 subnet, and the third connected to the T1 which has > Internet access. > > Could this work? > > If it would work, would I need to add static routes on the box with 3 NICs > or could it figure out how to send some traffic to the Internet and some to > the other site? > > Thanks! > Kevin > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Mar 12 09:52:45 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079106764.28713.53.camel@unixws1> > I guess I assumed something I should not have. I have never set up a T1. I > thought that when you order one, the end result (from the phone company) was > an Ethernet connection that you simply connected a device with an IP to. It > looks like that may be an incorrect assumption. It looks like a router with > a T1 interface and an Ethernet interface is required. Does this Ethernet > interface have an IP? If so, do I just connect these routers to switches at > each end and voila! the sites can talk to each other (disregarding the > Internet T1)? > The ethernet interface on the router will get an IP address (presumably from your ISP) and that will be the default gateway for the other hosts on that network. Yep, just plug them into the switch at each site and you're ready to rock. > I suppose this is getting a little off topic. I'm really just curious as to > how to set a T1 up. Are there any good sites explaining it? > Usually if a business buys a T-1, the ISP will help in sourcing the right equipment and getting it configured. They will also be your first contact if it goes down, and most will handle dealing with the telco on your behalf. It's simply not feasible today for an ISP to expect a T-1 customer to know about things like DLCI's and B8ZS (grunt grunt!) If you really care about the nitty-gritty, start here: http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/Support/browse/index.pl?i=Technologies&f=776 Frame-relay, Point-to-point, and T-1/E-1 are all possibly related to what you're doing. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Fri Mar 12 10:01:11 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router Message-ID: <031220041601.25527.29a6@comcast.net> As suggested by others, with a T1 you need some sort of CSU/DSU to interpret the signal and "covert" it to LAN type traffic. You can either go with a newer router that has the CSU/DSU built in, or if there are budget considerations, find an older used CSU/DSU and use a Linux firewall setup on an older PC with multiple NICs. If you go with a used CSU/DSU, just make sure it's output on the LAN side is 100baseT full duplex. Anything less will be a bottleneck. As for Linux firewalls. Smoothwall and IPCOP allow for RED, GREEN, and ORANGE (DMZ) ports by default and are both pretty rock solid firewalls for very little cost (hardware). -- ---- ------ Todd Young > Thanks for all the replies! > > To go in to more specific detail, the traffice from Site1 to Site2 will be > fairly high bandwidth. I believe they have a client/server app running over > it. > > I guess I assumed something I should not have. I have never set up a T1. I > thought that when you order one, the end result (from the phone company) was > an Ethernet connection that you simply connected a device with an IP to. It > looks like that may be an incorrect assumption. It looks like a router with > a T1 interface and an Ethernet interface is required. Does this Ethernet > interface have an IP? If so, do I just connect these routers to switches at > each end and voila! the sites can talk to each other (disregarding the > Internet T1)? > > I suppose this is getting a little off topic. I'm really just curious as to > how to set a T1 up. Are there any good sites explaining it? > > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of kevin > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:38 AM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] linux router > > > Hello- > > A friend of mine (really, it's not me!) has gotten himself in too deep on a > project. > > Basically, a client of his has two locations. They want to run a T1 between > the locations, and then from one office run a T1 connection to the Internet. > Unfortunately, he know nothing about routers. > > While there might be better solutions, I was wondering if he could set > something up like this: > > 1. site 1 has a linux server with two NICs, one connected to the local > subnet, and one connected to the T1 subnet > 2. site 2 has a linux server with three NICs, one connected to the local > subnet, one to the T1 subnet, and the third connected to the T1 which has > Internet access. > > Could this work? > > If it would work, would I need to add static routes on the box with 3 NICs > or could it figure out how to send some traffic to the Internet and some to > the other site? > > Thanks! > Kevin > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Mar 12 09:57:06 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: <20040312153139.GA2567@iucha.net> References: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> <20040312153139.GA2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1079107023.28713.58.camel@unixws1> Shot in the dark, but maybe ident? Try forwarding port 113 (even if it's not open on the mail server). Then ident requests will get an ICMP Dest-port-unreachable from the server instead of the ActionTec just dropping them on the floor. And Nate had a good suggestion about seeing if the data from lkml is actually making it past the ActionTec - so check your mail logs or run tcpdump and see if you're getting anything from them. On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 09:31, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 09:14:10AM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > First of all thank you guys for the info on the 1.5 Mbps DSL. I just got > > > it and it works great! > > > > > > Well, almost... > > > > > > I NAT-ed ports 22, 25 and 80 to my internal box. So far so good. I > > > started getting mail from the lists I am subscribed to, except LKML.=20 > > > When I try a portscan of my domain (iucha.net) from the office, I get > > > only ports 22 and 80 open.=20 > > > > > > Telnet 25 from my office SUN machine fails with "connection timeout". > > > Telnet 25 from my office Windows2k machine succeeds. Ssh from my office > > > Windows2k machine fails with "connection timeout". > > > > > > I tried testing with http://vger.kernel.org/mxverify.html. The first two > > > fail with "connection timeout", the third one succeeds! > > > > > > What's up? What should I do? > > > > Do you have ECN turned on? > > I suppose I do. If I do a > echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn > I can browse to http://vger.kernel.org. If I write 1, I cannot. > > I was getting lkml fine before the switch (Cisco675/CAP -> > Actiontec1524/DMT). I have the same ISP/public IP. I didn't even > reboot the internal mail server. > > > One good thing to do would be put a hub between your Linux box and the > > Actiontec, put another Linux box on that hub, and run Ethereal or tcpdump. > > This will let you see if the Actiontec is actually passing the traffic or > > not. > > I will try to do that. What puzzles me is that I get (some) mail; I get > tclug just fine. I might be losing some that I am not aware of, but I > am aware of LKML ;) > > Thank you, > florin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Mar 12 10:30:58 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: ; from jima@beer.tclug.org on Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 09:21:48AM -0600 References: <20040312150627.GZ2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20040312103058.A23557@real-time.com> On 03/12 09:21 , Jima wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 08:59:30AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > > > did not leave out certain obscure ingredients? you did not cough when you > > > could not pronounce/remember certain words? > > > > I can curse fluently in three languages... > > Klaatu Barrada *mumble*! "The Day the Earth..umm...Just Kind of Paused for a Moment" Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Mar 12 10:25:14 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Palms and shared calendars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:30:21 -0600 > From: "Robert P. Goldman" > My wife and I both have palms and both have Linux desktops. We'd love > to have a way to share our calendars, without resorting to putting > things out on the wild, wooly internet (but putting them onto > a private Apache server would be fine). > > Does anybody know of a solution to this problem? It would involve a > desktop calendaring program, a conduit from that desktop calendaring > program to a shared calendar, and a conduit from the desktop You both want access to both calendars, right? First, there's no way to do that on the PDAs. Each PDA has exactly one calendar, so unless you do some encoding by color or tag, that's a show stopper. However, if you want something like Outlook with Exchange, where you each have your own calendar on your PDA and access to each other's calendars online while makeing appointments, then Kolab and KDE Kroupware Client should do the job. I haven't used it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Mar 12 10:33:53 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Identifying bandwidth hogs Message-ID: <1079109231.28713.75.camel@unixws1> Last week (?) someone posted wondering how they could identify what IP's on their network were using a lot of their internet bandwidth. I just ran across this link (on NANOG) and wanted to pass it on as another potential solution: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/36156.html There's a brief mention about a new feature in IOS called Cisco IP Source Tracker that will probably work. But it's new in 12.3T, and the T-train is not exactly production code. I haven't played with it so I can't give specifics on how it works, but it sounds promising. (It's actually meant for identifying sources of DDoS traffic). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 12 10:36:29 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: <20040312153139.GA2567@iucha.net> References: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> <20040312153139.GA2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Florin Iucha wrote: > I suppose I do. If I do a > echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn > I can browse to http://vger.kernel.org. If I write 1, I cannot. If you disable ECN, can you get the LKML traffic? > I was getting lkml fine before the switch (Cisco675/CAP -> > Actiontec1524/DMT). I have the same ISP/public IP. I didn't even reboot > the internal mail server. Huh, odd. Probably something different between the way the Cisco's and Actiontec's rewrite packets. > I will try to do that. What puzzles me is that I get (some) mail; I get > tclug just fine. I might be losing some that I am not aware of, but I am > aware of LKML ;) Well, if you convinced a friend to run a secondary MX for you, you'd have a much better chance of getting all your mail; hopefully, if something is broken on your config, it won't be broken on theirs, and they will be able to reach your "broken" server. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 12 10:42:53 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, kevin wrote: > I guess I assumed something I should not have. I have never set up a T1. > I thought that when you order one, the end result (from the phone > company) was an Ethernet connection that you simply connected a device > with an IP to. It looks like that may be an incorrect assumption. It > looks like a router with a T1 interface and an Ethernet interface is > required. Does this Ethernet interface have an IP? If so, do I just > connect these routers to switches at each end and voila! the sites can > talk to each other (disregarding the Internet T1)? If you do buy "real" routers on each end, you don't really need the Linux boxes to do the routing for you. If you do want to use Linux boxes as routers, you can pick up serial T1 cards (Sangoma sells 'em, along with a couple other companies), and plug the T1's directly into the Linux boxes. May save a couple bucks that way, too, but it's not as widely used configuration, so getting help if things break may be a bit tougher. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Mar 12 10:43:00 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: <20040312103058.A23557@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 03/12 09:21 , Jima wrote: > > Klaatu Barrada *mumble*! > > "The Day the Earth..umm...Just Kind of Paused for a Moment" The direct reference was to 'Army of Darkness'[1], but yes, those words came from[2] 'The Day the Earth Stood Still'[3]. Good eye/ear. Jima 1. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106308/ 2. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106308/trivia 3. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Mar 12 11:02:44 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATTN Bob: Gmane.org? In-Reply-To: <1078708608.3398.5522.camel@bigtime>; from seg@haxxed.com on Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 07:16:49PM -0600 References: <404692CF.4020901@visi.com> <20040304044349.GI16897@wookimus.net> <1078655517.4551.71.camel@max.local> <20040307160526.GA15992@wookimus.net> <1078708608.3398.5522.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <20040312110244.B23557@real-time.com> On 03/07 07:16 , Callum Lerwick wrote: > Its there, its mature, why use a hack like mailing lists when something > more appropriate is available? because IMHO, mail readers are more mature than most newsreaders, and I live with a mail client constantly on hand, whereas web forums or news would require me to take more nonexistent spare time out of my day to open the client for *that* service, look through it (usually waiting far longer per-message for the client to update), and delete the crap (if possible) to get down to the stuff I want to read. nothing beats (mutt + local mail spool) for speed when it comes to dealing with a bunch of messages. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us Thu Mar 11 15:31:14 2004 From: dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us (Dana Millaway) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Training Advice Requested In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004d01c407b0$2e128260$c56000ae@tcat> Comments and questions embedded in Original message... -----Original Message----- Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:36:53 -0600 From: Adam Maloney Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Training Advice Requested > Work at an ISP that runs Linux :) Seriously, maybe Bob or Brett will let you > volunteer for a week. Volunteering wouldn't bother me but I guarantee it would be more work then they bargained for to begin with! I know how to login, logout, change directories and list files. Beyond that, I know how to find my manual (both on the shelf and on the 'puter). >Techskills is in Bloomington (actually they are right next door to >us...) I know they do some Unix training, but I don't know if it's >Linux specific or how good it is. From what I know of them they >specialize in Windows training, but offer low-end Cisco (CCNA and CCDP) >and Unix. I have learned most of my computer skills on the job but it leaves gaps in what you know and it takes too long when you need to be up to speed quickly. I would prefer Linux but the Unix would be ok if that was my only choice. I took my Novell training at Benchmark in Edina and thought they were really good - I passed all my exams the first go. I think they may be teaching some classes on Unix but I think it is more specific, advanced stuff and I don't know how good they are for Unix. >> running Slackware that is supposed to be a proxy/filtering server >>(probably soon to be moved to a Dell PowerEdge and changed to RH), and >> >HERETIC! :) For slackware, RH or Dell??? Or (D), all of the above? :-D Apparently the proxy/filtering software that our group of districts purchased runs better on RH these days than slackware. Which figures, since I just bought a manual for slackware. :( But at least I won't have to run it on a Windoze server. (double yech!) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Fri Mar 12 12:44:35 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Training Advice Requested Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63CBD@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Millaway [mailto:dmillaway@holdingford.k12.mn.us] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 3:31 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Training Advice Requested > > I have learned most of my computer skills on the job but it > leaves gaps in > what you know and it takes too long when you need to be up to > speed quickly. > I would prefer Linux but the Unix would be ok if that was my > only choice. http://www.aisg.com/ has Unix training and some Linux training coming soon.> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Mar 12 12:52:20 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Palms and shared calendars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chris Schumann > > First, there's no way to do that on the PDAs. Each PDA has exactly one > calendar, so unless you do some encoding by color or tag, that's a show > stopper. Not quite true as stated as far as *function* goes. I've had like 5 calendars on my two Palm-type PDAs under Windoze with separate stuff coming from 2 PCs and ad hoc cross-syncing I defined on the PDA "conduit manager" in each PC. Needed to keep business and personal separate on separate PCs, and had social vs "others" on the personal side. The Palm "All" view showed all and all categories, but maintenance of the calendars was a real pain and setup of PocketMirror (the conduit def/control link) wasn't real simple... Chapura (PocketMirror people) helped do it. Looked like "categories" on the Palm, but each PC had its own hierarchy and "business" showed as a category on the personal PC's calendar. No "personal stuff" ever showed on the business PC, but all was on the PDAs. Looks like the right tools are present on the Linux side, but I haven't tried them yet. Chuck _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Mar 12 12:37:44 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Palms and shared calendars In-Reply-To: <43015.12.129.97.254.1079046013.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <16464.59517.112069.623489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <43015.12.129.97.254.1079046013.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <16466.888.440556.960701@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Courtney writes: Mark> I'd agree with the alpha feel of the kde pilot stuff. I've Mark> never got it to sync my treo. Jpilot, however, seems to Mark> work rather well. Mark> http://jpilot.org jpilot is fine. We both use it. But it doesn't help us synchronize our calendars together. Actually, another thing is that jpilot is limited to the database model imposed by Palm (including, most importantly, single-valued categories). I'd love to get a contact database, in particular, that carried more info and just was mirrored in a lossy way onto the palm. cheers, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From levay at visi.com Fri Mar 12 13:36:52 2004 From: levay at visi.com (Craig LeVay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh boy....one of the best...Army of Darkness....a Bruce Campbell tour de force!!! This is my boomstick!! Craig LeVay > > On 03/12 09:21 , Jima wrote: > > > Klaatu Barrada *mumble*! > > > > "The Day the Earth..umm...Just Kind of Paused for a Moment" > > The direct reference was to 'Army of Darkness'[1], but yes, those words > came from[2] 'The Day the Earth Stood Still'[3]. Good eye/ear. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Fri Mar 12 13:32:31 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids Message-ID: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Friday, March 12, 2004 @ 1:05:17 PM Central Standard Time Hi. I was asked today about what I thought about using Linux in schools for children to use & learn. I of course said I thought it would be great. I honestly never put much though into the Linux/Children scenario, as I do not currently have children. I was wondering if anyone knew off the top of the heads about a distro, and or software for linux, that is more geared for children & or early (grade school) levels. Please don't spend anytime looking this up. I'm just being lazy & will do that myself, but just curious if anyone heard of anything like this. I kinda think in a way, since kids are "innocent", and free thinking when they are so young, it would be cool/easy to just add "BASH 101" in between Spelling in the 2nd hour & Gym in the 4th Hour. They wouldn't know any better any ways. Then by high school level, we (secretly if needed) start introducing small tastes of engineering upon them. Brain children enter college & begin to create great things all running on Linux I assure you. End result, in 20 Years from now I can call me Friend, and let him know "I just upgraded my toilettes kernel to the latest 8.12.2, and it is flushing well again, thanks for the advice :)" Sorry for day dreaming.... Thanks, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Mar 12 14:00:13 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids In-Reply-To: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <20040312140013.A6814@belka.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 01:32:31PM -0600, B_o_B wrote: > Friday, March 12, 2004 @ 1:05:17 PM Central Standard Time > > Hi. I was asked today about what I thought about using Linux in > schools for children to use & learn. > I of course said I thought it would be great. > I honestly never put much though into the Linux/Children scenario, as > I do not currently have children. > > I was wondering if anyone knew off the top of the heads about a > distro, and or software for linux, that is more geared for children & > or early (grade school) levels. Please don't spend anytime looking > this up. I'm just being lazy & will do that myself, but just curious > if anyone heard of anything like this. I know of a couple of resources, though I haven't looked into them too much. Debian Jr. which is a sub-project within Debain aimed at kids: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr/. SEUL (Simple End User Linux)/edu is a more general project aimed at education. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Fri Mar 12 13:57:04 2004 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Gregory Siems) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids In-Reply-To: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <1079121423.2688.16.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> Knoppix4Kids (http://www.osef.org/k4kids-mirrors.html) On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 13:32, B_o_B wrote: > Friday, March 12, 2004 @ 1:05:17 PM Central Standard Time > > Hi. I was asked today about what I thought about using Linux in > schools for children to use & learn. > I of course said I thought it would be great. > I honestly never put much though into the Linux/Children scenario, as > I do not currently have children. > > I was wondering if anyone knew off the top of the heads about a > distro, and or software for linux, that is more geared for children & > or early (grade school) levels. Please don't spend anytime looking > this up. I'm just being lazy & will do that myself, but just curious > if anyone heard of anything like this. > > I kinda think in a way, since kids are "innocent", and free thinking > when they are so young, it would be cool/easy to just add "BASH 101" > in between Spelling in the 2nd hour & Gym in the 4th Hour. They > wouldn't know any better any ways. Then by high school level, we > (secretly if needed) start introducing small tastes of engineering > upon them. Brain children enter college & begin to create great > things all running on Linux I assure you. > End result, in 20 Years from now I can call me Friend, and > let him know "I just upgraded my toilettes kernel to the latest 8.12.2, > and it is flushing well again, thanks for the advice :)" > > Sorry for day dreaming.... > > Thanks, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Fri Mar 12 13:58:42 2004 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids In-Reply-To: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <1079121522.16632.1.camel@jonathon.jongsma.org> > I was wondering if anyone knew off the top of the heads about a > distro, and or software for linux, that is more geared for children & > or early (grade school) levels. Please don't spend anytime looking > this up. I'm just being lazy & will do that myself, but just curious > if anyone heard of anything like this. > well, here's an icon theme geared towards kids: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9144 I ran into that a while ago and thought it was interesting. I know that's not exactly what you're talking about though... -- Jonathon Jongsma _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri Mar 12 14:03:34 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids In-Reply-To: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: On 3/12/04 1:32 PM, "B_o_B" wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew off the top of the heads about a > distro, and or software for linux, that is more geared for children & > or early (grade school) levels. Please don't spend anytime looking > this up. I'm just being lazy & will do that myself, but just curious > if anyone heard of anything like this. I would check out Schoolforge.net. They have a list of education-related linux distros (http://schoolforge.net/software.php). -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Mar 12 15:04:10 2004 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids In-Reply-To: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: http://www.k12linux.org/ Jeff On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, B_o_B wrote: > Friday, March 12, 2004 @ 1:05:17 PM Central Standard Time > > Hi. I was asked today about what I thought about using Linux in > schools for children to use & learn. > I of course said I thought it would be great. > I honestly never put much though into the Linux/Children scenario, as > I do not currently have children. > > I was wondering if anyone knew off the top of the heads about a > distro, and or software for linux, that is more geared for children & > or early (grade school) levels. Please don't spend anytime looking > this up. I'm just being lazy & will do that myself, but just curious > if anyone heard of anything like this. > > I kinda think in a way, since kids are "innocent", and free thinking > when they are so young, it would be cool/easy to just add "BASH 101" > in between Spelling in the 2nd hour & Gym in the 4th Hour. They > wouldn't know any better any ways. Then by high school level, we > (secretly if needed) start introducing small tastes of engineering > upon them. Brain children enter college & begin to create great > things all running on Linux I assure you. > End result, in 20 Years from now I can call me Friend, and > let him know "I just upgraded my toilettes kernel to the latest 8.12.2, > and it is flushing well again, thanks for the advice :)" > > Sorry for day dreaming.... > > Thanks, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Mar 12 15:11:55 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Palms and shared calendars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16466.10139.440143.951946@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Cole writes: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chris Schumann >> >> First, there's no way to do that on the PDAs. Each PDA has exactly one >> calendar, so unless you do some encoding by color or tag, that's a show >> stopper. Chuck> Not quite true as stated as far as *function* goes. I've Chuck> had like 5 calendars on my two Palm-type PDAs under Windoze Chuck> with separate stuff coming from 2 PCs and ad hoc Chuck> cross-syncing I defined on the PDA "conduit manager" in Chuck> each PC. Needed to keep business and personal separate on Chuck> separate PCs, and had social vs "others" on the personal Chuck> side. The Palm "All" view showed all and all categories, Chuck> but maintenance of the calendars was a real pain and setup Chuck> of PocketMirror (the conduit def/control link) wasn't real Chuck> simple... Chapura (PocketMirror people) helped do it. Chuck> Looked like "categories" on the Palm, but each PC had its Chuck> own hierarchy and "business" showed as a category on the Chuck> personal PC's calendar. No "personal stuff" ever showed on Chuck> the business PC, but all was on the PDAs. Looks like the Chuck> right tools are present on the Linux side, but I haven't Chuck> tried them yet. Sounds like I wasn't clear enough. I was thinking of something like this: 1. Two or more users with linux desktop PIMs, possibly Evolution or KDEPIM. 2. A single shared calendar, possibly up on a web site (preferably one that I can host, but something like Yahoo! Calendar would be acceptable), that is able to synch with the desktop PIMs. The stuff here would be a shared subset of the stuff that's held in the personal PIMs in #1. 3. As a constraint on the choice of PIM for #1, it should be a PIM that's able to synchronize with a pilot. I would have thought that KDEPIM or Evolution would do the job with some unknown piece in #2, but this seems harder than I thought.... cheers, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Mar 12 15:56:03 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Palms and shared calendars In-Reply-To: <16466.10139.440143.951946@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: Offhand, I'd say that what you want is quite easy to do and could link Linux and Windows PCs via the PDAs as well. Avoiding categories makes things MUCH simpler every way and every day. I just have "hotsync" set to recognize different PDAs, and multiple PCs (and multiple OS's) was just a matter of setup options.. that I no longer use for multiple PCs with separate calendars on same PDAs. I used that setup about a year with daily or more syncs, and still use most of that same setup. I remember most and have some notes, however. Since the calendars are to be the same on both PCs, your setup should only require recognizing two PDAs to sync on each computer. This is *very* easy using Chapura's PocketMirror under multiple flavors of Windoze and OuchLook, and may be easy in other conduit managers. First try the simple case of a "windows lookalike" that has a linkable OutLook-like environment. I think the KDE desktop has all this stuff. Go into your conduit manager on each PC and see whether you can add just another PDA profile. That's it for what you seek to do. Initially just have handhelds overwrite the PCs so PCs are "primed", then move to 2-way sync when all seems OK. You may go nuts being sure all four versions of calendars and notes (etc) are sufficiently sync'd, but the PDAs will do a very good job for their part of it. Once you get conduits working, then the rest will be defined well enough. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of > rpgoldman@real-time.com > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:12 PM > To: cncole@earthlink.net; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Palms and shared calendars > > > >>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Cole writes: > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chris Schumann > >> > >> First, there's no way to do that on the PDAs. Each PDA has exactly one > >> calendar, so unless you do some encoding by color or tag, that's a show > >> stopper. > > Chuck> Not quite true as stated as far as *function* goes. I've > Chuck> had like 5 calendars on my two Palm-type PDAs under Windoze > Chuck> with separate stuff coming from 2 PCs and ad hoc > Chuck> cross-syncing I defined on the PDA "conduit manager" in > Chuck> each PC. Needed to keep business and personal separate on > Chuck> separate PCs, and had social vs "others" on the personal > Chuck> side. The Palm "All" view showed all and all categories, > Chuck> but maintenance of the calendars was a real pain and setup > Chuck> of PocketMirror (the conduit def/control link) wasn't real > Chuck> simple... Chapura (PocketMirror people) helped do it. > Chuck> Looked like "categories" on the Palm, but each PC had its > Chuck> own hierarchy and "business" showed as a category on the > Chuck> personal PC's calendar. No "personal stuff" ever showed on > Chuck> the business PC, but all was on the PDAs. Looks like the > Chuck> right tools are present on the Linux side, but I haven't > Chuck> tried them yet. > > Sounds like I wasn't clear enough. I was thinking of something like > this: > > 1. Two or more users with linux desktop PIMs, possibly Evolution or > KDEPIM. > > 2. A single shared calendar, possibly up on a web site (preferably > one that I can host, but something like Yahoo! Calendar would be > acceptable), that is able to synch with the desktop PIMs. The > stuff here would be a shared subset of the stuff that's held in > the personal PIMs in #1. > > 3. As a constraint on the choice of PIM for #1, it should be a PIM > that's able to synchronize with a pilot. > > I would have thought that KDEPIM or Evolution would do the job with > some unknown piece in #2, but this seems harder than I thought.... > > cheers, > R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Fri Mar 12 16:41:10 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids In-Reply-To: References: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <245081568.20040312164110@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Friday, March 12, 2004 @ 4:16:26 PM Central Standard Time Wow. Thank You everyone who sent links. That's great stuff. Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Mar 12 19:23:05 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars Message-ID: If anyone can steer me in the right direction as yo how to get a bios on a clean compaq armada laptop, I will give you a million dollars. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Fri Mar 12 19:49:11 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079142551.5034.8.camel@localhost> It looks like you just create a boot disk from their web site. What is the full model number? On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 19:23, PHPTOm wrote: > If anyone can steer me in the right direction as yo how to get a bios on a > clean compaq armada laptop, I will give you a million dollars. > > TOm > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 12 20:02:53 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: References: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20040313020253.GB2567@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 12 20:03:26 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040313020326.GC2567@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Mar 12 20:09:13 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: <1079142551.5034.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: The model is Armada 7800 6266/T/5000/D/0/3 I do not understand how a boot disk will work if it currently has no bios. Currently, when I boot with a floppy in the drive, nothing happens. > It looks like you just create a boot disk from their web site. What is > the full model number? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Mar 12 20:18:44 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: <20040313020326.GC2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: Ok, I was kidding about the million dollars. It is fun to make laptops work. > On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 07:23:05PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: > > If anyone can steer me in the right direction as yo how to get > a bios on a > > clean compaq armada laptop, I will give you a million dollars. > > I will give you a working laptop for half that amount. > > florin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Fri Mar 12 20:19:04 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079144344.5034.12.camel@localhost> I think that it has enough intel to look for a compaq bios disk in the cd. Have you already tried the bios floppy? http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/Armada/us/download/8412.html On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 20:09, PHPTOm wrote: > The model is > > Armada 7800 6266/T/5000/D/0/3 > > I do not understand how a boot disk will work if it currently has no bios. > Currently, when I boot with a floppy in the drive, nothing happens. > > > > > > It looks like you just create a boot disk from their web site. What is > > the full model number? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Mar 12 20:40:11 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: <1079142551.5034.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: The "bios" is in ROM on the motherboard. There are flash updates for some of the models... I think I updated my 7800 from a floppy. Setting the bios to boot from floppy or CDROM isn't hard and the rest of setting a boot sector goes from there. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason Sievert > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:49 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] one million dollars > > > It looks like you just create a boot disk from their web site. What is > the full model number? > > On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 19:23, PHPTOm wrote: > > If anyone can steer me in the right direction as yo how to get a bios on a > > clean compaq armada laptop, I will give you a million dollars. > > > > TOm > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Mar 12 20:38:14 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: <1079144344.5034.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: I bet it has more intel than me. I will try the floppy now. > I think that it has enough intel to look for a compaq bios disk in the > cd. Have you already tried the bios floppy? > http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/Armada/us/download/8412.html > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Fri Mar 12 20:47:45 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079146065.5036.14.camel@localhost> Well then, no more help for you! On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 20:18, PHPTOm wrote: > Ok, I was kidding about the million dollars. It is fun to make laptops > work. > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 07:23:05PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: > > > If anyone can steer me in the right direction as yo how to get > > a bios on a > > > clean compaq armada laptop, I will give you a million dollars. > > > > I will give you a working laptop for half that amount. > > > > florin > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Fri Mar 12 22:53:59 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids In-Reply-To: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: Well, my 5 year old daughter was complaining when the last Debian unstable upgrade I did broke KDE, but she didn't stop using the computer just because it was on fvwm. (KDE is fixed now, and she stopped complaining). It isn't the _kids_ that'll be the problem. The primary focus needs to be on training the teachers. Most of them will be lost because it isn't what they are used to. -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Fri Mar 12 23:00:04 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: <20040312144052.GY2567@iucha.net> Message-ID: many end-user ISP's block port 25 to their pools. As near as I can tell, a lot of other sites are following suit. Try coordinating with your ISP to relay through their MX to your domain or get you reverse DNS which would likely free things up. On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Florin Iucha wrote: > First of all thank you guys for the info on the 1.5 Mbps DSL. I just > got it and it works great! > > Well, almost... > > I NAT-ed ports 22, 25 and 80 to my internal box. So far so good. I > started getting mail from the lists I am subscribed to, except LKML.=20 > When I try a portscan of my domain (iucha.net) from the office, I get > only ports 22 and 80 open.=20 > > Telnet 25 from my office SUN machine fails with "connection timeout". > Telnet 25 from my office Windows2k machine succeeds. > Ssh from my office Windows2k machine fails with "connection timeout". > > I tried testing with http://vger.kernel.org/mxverify.html. The first > two fail with "connection timeout", the third one succeeds! > > What's up? What should I do? > > Thank you, > florin > > -- > > Don't question authority: they don't know either! > -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sat Mar 13 00:22:48 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router In-Reply-To: <1079100867.28713.36.camel@unixws1> (message from Adam Maloney on Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:14:28 -0600) References: <1079100867.28713.36.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <200403130622.i2D6Mmg30803@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Adam Maloney wrote: >Host site router: >ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 private-t1-link-ip >! The client site has 192.168.1.0/24 I would use split the 10.0.0.0 network between the two sites for their private network. Maybe 10.40.0.0 for one site and 10.60.0.0. This would allow close to 64K IPs for each site. Sparse IPs and logical IP division based on many factors is easier with 2 class B private networks than with 2 class C private networks. Just my trivial two bits ... Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Sat Mar 13 08:11:17 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:18:44 -0600, PHPTOm wrote: > Ok, I was kidding about the million dollars. It is fun to make laptops > work. > > I'm not - pls make check payable to Fulcrum Foundry INC. Cash is fine too... ;) > > >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 07:23:05PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: >> > If anyone can steer me in the right direction as yo how to get >> a bios on a >> > clean compaq armada laptop, I will give you a million dollars. >> >> I will give you a working laptop for half that amount. >> >> florin > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Sat Mar 13 08:09:42 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:40:11 -0600, Chuck Cole wrote: > The "bios" is in ROM on the motherboard. There are flash updates for some compaqs kept the bios on a disk partition not a ROM. You must go to the compaq site, download a rom paq or some such beast, set up the computer diagnostics, and install the bios - it probably got wiped when someone wiped the HD. > some of the models... I think I updated my 7800 from a > floppy. Setting the bios to boot from floppy or CDROM isn't hard and > the rest of setting a boot sector goes from there. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason Sievert >> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:49 PM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] one million dollars >> >> >> It looks like you just create a boot disk from their web site. What is >> the full model number? >> >> On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 19:23, PHPTOm wrote: >> > If anyone can steer me in the right direction as yo how to get a bios >> on a >> > clean compaq armada laptop, I will give you a million dollars. >> > >> > TOm >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Mar 13 09:01:36 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, johnnyfulcrum wrote: > some compaqs kept the bios on a disk partition not a ROM. You must go to > the compaq site, download a rom paq or some such beast, set up the > computer diagnostics, and install the bios - it probably got wiped when > someone wiped the HD. the bios yes, not the CMOS. the non-booting issue has nothing to do with the missing partition. compaqs can boot just fine with or without that partition. i am thinking you should look into other parts check the memory, remove the battery and try on just straight juice disassemble/reassemble it, it could be that somehow somewhere a cable got loose or something. if the PC does not post it has NOTHING to do with the BIOS partition on the HDD. I have worked with compaqs for many years. I can guarantee this. the bios partition is used only to edit the CMOS not to store it. look somewhere else for the solution to your problem. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sat Mar 13 12:06:58 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router In-Reply-To: <200403130622.i2D6Mmg30803@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <1079100867.28713.36.camel@unixws1> <200403130622.i2D6Mmg30803@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040313120043.J19343@unix18.sihope.com> I don't know what his IP requirements are, so I wasn't making any recommendations - the 192.168's were just examples. I was just assuming that his ISP would be assigning him 2 networks, one for each site. The size and scope of that is between him and his provider. That way he wouldn't be required to do NAT. And if he for some reason needs 64k IP's for these 2 small offices, he can setup the Linux box to do NAT for those machines. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Ken Fuchs wrote: > Adam Maloney wrote: > > >Host site router: > >ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 private-t1-link-ip > >! The client site has 192.168.1.0/24 > > I would use split the 10.0.0.0 network between the two sites for their > private network. Maybe 10.40.0.0 for one site and 10.60.0.0. This > would allow close to 64K IPs for each site. Sparse IPs and logical IP > division based on many factors is easier with 2 class B private networks > than with 2 class C private networks. > > Just my trivial two bits ... > > Sincerely, > > Ken Fuchs > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crc1021 at myrealbox.com Sat Mar 13 13:28:21 2004 From: crc1021 at myrealbox.com (Eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids In-Reply-To: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <20040313132821.37c18998.crc1021@myrealbox.com> I don't think these have been mentioned http://seul.org/edu/ http://www.geekcomix.com/tux4kids/ On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:32:31 -0600 B_o_B wrote: > Friday, March 12, 2004 @ 1:05:17 PM Central Standard Time > > Hi. I was asked today about what I thought about using Linux in > schools for children to use & learn. > I of course said I thought it would be great. > I honestly never put much though into the Linux/Children scenario, as > I do not currently have children. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Mar 13 14:00:17 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079208017.26899.28703.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Sat Mar 13 13:58:15 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids References: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20040313132821.37c18998.crc1021@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <405367D7.2040600@structural-wood.com> Disney's web site has some great flash games you can play online. Eric wrote: > I don't think these have been mentioned > http://seul.org/edu/ > http://www.geekcomix.com/tux4kids/ > > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:32:31 -0600 > B_o_B wrote: > > >>Friday, March 12, 2004 @ 1:05:17 PM Central Standard Time >> >>Hi. I was asked today about what I thought about using Linux in >>schools for children to use & learn. >>I of course said I thought it would be great. >>I honestly never put much though into the Linux/Children scenario, as >>I do not currently have children. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Mar 13 14:03:49 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to check for kernel features? In-Reply-To: <4050DF3E.5070400@myrealbox.com> References: <1078781691.4168.28.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <20040308221018.GI27399@wookimus.net> <404D45B2.3050205@myrealbox.com> <1078868759.26899.22158.camel@3po> <4050DF3E.5070400@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1079208228.26899.28708.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Sat Mar 13 14:17:10 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java problems Message-ID: <002701c40938$2f60ad20$0300000a@net.tsinks> I have tried to load in the java sdk and the java plugin for Mozilla and they do not work properly. For the Mozilla, I have insured that the user has a link to the package - in /usr/local... and have made sure it is in the Netscape and Mozilla plugins. It is there and is dated properly. It still will not recognize the plugin for the x-java. For the sdk, there is either the above problem or another situation occuring in trying to get the java programs and applets to be recognized within the command sequences. I have made sure the appletviewer is accessable and the paths have been constructed to allow for the user to see the directories. It still will fall down on the applet and on some parts of the programs. I have tried the java and bean load, the java only load, both as .bin loads, and the rpm java only load. The programs run and can be compiled, etc. It is in the connection with the applets and the web - Mozilla. (version 1.5) There is a reference to the fact that the release 1.4.2 has only been tested through RH 7, but that has never stopped me in the past. I'm on 9 and have worked in several other ? packages and hardware. Usually it is just a matter of fixing the paths and pointers within the programs/setup. Any ideas would be helpful. Also, I have loaded on Websphere to one of my machines. It appears it has to be a server. Is this correct? Can I have it on a WS? Thanks, Tim Sinks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Sat Mar 13 16:02:12 2004 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java problems In-Reply-To: <002701c40938$2f60ad20$0300000a@net.tsinks> References: <002701c40938$2f60ad20$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <405384E4.3060106@info9.net> Tim: > I have tried to load in the java sdk and the java plugin for Mozilla and > they do not work properly. This ought to work. First determine the full path name of the plugin you need... I can't remember about RH9, but it may still have used gcc 2.96. If you installed the j2sdk in /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01 then.... tmarble@techno 29% pwd /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01/jre/plugin/i386 tmarble@techno 30% ls -lR .: total 12 drwxr-xr-x 2 uucp 143 4096 Aug 19 2003 ns4 drwxr-xr-x 2 uucp 143 4096 Aug 19 2003 ns610 drwxr-xr-x 2 uucp 143 4096 Aug 19 2003 ns610-gcc32 ./ns4: total 124 -rwxr-xr-x 1 uucp 143 119628 Aug 19 2003 libjavaplugin.so ./ns610: total 312 -rwxr-xr-x 1 uucp 143 312688 Aug 19 2003 libjavaplugin_oji.so ./ns610-gcc32: total 280 -rwxr-xr-x 1 uucp 143 281904 Aug 19 2003 libjavaplugin_oji.so tmarble@techno 31% ....the full path the plugin (for Mozilla, gcc 2.96) is /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so So now all you have to do is make a link to this file in your Mozilla plugins directory, for example # cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins # ln -s /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so You can verify it by exiting and restarting Mozilla and viewing the 'About' menu and/or by going to one of the test pages below. > Also, I have loaded on Websphere to one of my machines. It appears it has to > be a server. Is this correct? Can I have it on a WS? I don't really understand this question... could you be more specific? HTH, --Tom http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/ http://www.mozilla.org/quality/browser/front-end/testcases/plugins/ http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/ http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/1.4/demos/applets.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Sat Mar 13 14:43:39 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids In-Reply-To: <1079121522.16632.1.camel@jonathon.jongsma.org> References: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <1079121522.16632.1.camel@jonathon.jongsma.org> Message-ID: <20040313204339.GA23981@dad1> dear dad.i love you a lote. what do you like beter. brawneys or cake. i like chocolet cake.what cind of flaver do you like. love dad. dear Mom.i love you more than chocolate cake. i want chocolat cake for my birthday. i want money in my cake. what cind of cake do you like. i know a good joke.what is a chicken cald. a angel. get it. becase a chicen can't fly but it can fly in heaven. now do you get it. love Mom. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Sat Mar 13 20:16:18 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] java problems References: <002701c40938$2f60ad20$0300000a@net.tsinks> <405384E4.3060106@info9.net> Message-ID: <005201c4096a$5aea3ba0$0300000a@net.tsinks> Thanks, Tom, You put me on the right question track. The Mozilla 1.5 needs the ns610-gcc32 version of the libjavaplugin_oji.so. There are on my machine at least 7 libjava...so files or links in 7 different directories - root/.netscape/plugins; usr/lib/mozilla/plugins; usr/local/mozilla/plugins/java2/plugin/i386/ns600; usr/local/mozilla/java2/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32 - link; usr/local/mozilla/plugins; usr/local/mozilla_131/plugins; usr/java/j21.4.2_04/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32 - link The last is the one that counts. I needed the link in the /usr/local/mozilla/plugins. This also contains the flash and the java2 which under it needed the link, also. It was the 2 links in there that got me. I don't know why there are so many directories for this. The program for pulling up the html applet still doesn't work right, but I can keep playing with that. It isn't picking up the class program which would enter the html applets' input into the screen. All it puts is a red x in the box. I can get it to perform with the appletviewer tool. Thanks, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Marble" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] java problems > Tim: > > I have tried to load in the java sdk and the java plugin for Mozilla and > > they do not work properly. > This ought to work. > > First determine the full path name of the plugin you need... I can't > remember about RH9, but it may still have used gcc 2.96. > If you installed the j2sdk in /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01 then.... > > tmarble@techno 29% pwd > /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01/jre/plugin/i386 > tmarble@techno 30% ls -lR > .: > total 12 > drwxr-xr-x 2 uucp 143 4096 Aug 19 2003 ns4 > drwxr-xr-x 2 uucp 143 4096 Aug 19 2003 ns610 > drwxr-xr-x 2 uucp 143 4096 Aug 19 2003 ns610-gcc32 > > ./ns4: > total 124 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 uucp 143 119628 Aug 19 2003 libjavaplugin.so > > ./ns610: > total 312 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 uucp 143 312688 Aug 19 2003 libjavaplugin_oji.so > > ./ns610-gcc32: > total 280 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 uucp 143 281904 Aug 19 2003 libjavaplugin_oji.so > tmarble@techno 31% > > ....the full path the plugin (for Mozilla, gcc 2.96) is > /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so > > So now all you have to do is make a link to this file in your Mozilla > plugins directory, for example > > # cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins > # ln -s /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so > > You can verify it by exiting and restarting Mozilla and viewing the > 'About' menu and/or by going to one of the test pages below. > > > Also, I have loaded on Websphere to one of my machines. It appears it has to > > be a server. Is this correct? Can I have it on a WS? > I don't really understand this question... could you be more specific? > > HTH, > > --Tom > > http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/ > http://www.mozilla.org/quality/browser/front-end/testcases/plugins/ > http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/ > http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/1.4/demos/applets.html > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Mar 13 20:15:42 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids In-Reply-To: <20040313204339.GA23981@dad1> References: <1471315004.20040312133231@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <1079121522.16632.1.camel@jonathon.jongsma.org> <20040313204339.GA23981@dad1> Message-ID: Oh he... er... darn, those little sh^H^Hbuggers are taking over. fork(without_little_terrors) On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Karl Bongers wrote: > dear dad.i love you a lote. what do you like beter. > brawneys or cake. > i like chocolet cake.what cind of flaver do you > like. > love dad. > > > dear Mom.i love you more than chocolate cake. > i want chocolat cake for my birthday. > i want money in my cake. > what cind of cake do you like. > i know a good joke.what is a chicken cald. > a angel. > get it. > becase a chicen can't fly but it can fly in heaven. > now do you get it. > love Mom. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sat Mar 13 20:30:58 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Palms and shared calendars In-Reply-To: References: <16466.10139.440143.951946@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <16467.50146.441114.917270@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Cole writes: Chuck> Offhand, I'd say that what you want is quite easy to do and could link Linux and Windows PCs via the PDAs as well. Avoiding Chuck> categories makes things MUCH simpler every way and every day. Chuck> I just have "hotsync" set to recognize different PDAs, and multiple PCs (and multiple OS's) was just a matter of setup options.. Chuck> that I no longer use for multiple PCs with separate calendars on same PDAs. I used that setup about a year with daily or more Chuck> syncs, and still use most of that same setup. I remember most and have some notes, however. Chuck> Since the calendars are to be the same on both PCs, your Chuck> setup should only require recognizing two PDAs to sync on Chuck> each computer. This is *very* easy using Chapura's Chuck> PocketMirror under multiple flavors of Windoze and Chuck> OuchLook, and may be easy in other conduit managers. Actually, this isn't what I was saying. What I was saying was that some SUBSET of the calendars should be shared. Also, having me synch my Palm on my wife's computer and her synch onto mine will be burdensome. I appreciate your taking the time to think about this in this way that works through the Palms rather than through a conduit between two calendaring (and contacts) programs, but it still seems backwards to me. Especially since the map from desktop -> palm is lossy. I would have thought that there would be a simple third point (call it micro-Exchange) that would bring them together. Evolution *claims* shared calendaring, but AFAICT that just means Exchange (or some other non-free, business oriented behemoth). KDEPIM seems to plan to have an egroupware conduit.... Anyone know more than that? cheers, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sat Mar 13 23:52:29 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: (message from johnnyfulcrum on Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:09:42 -0600) References: Message-ID: <200403140552.i2E5qTw11174@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:40:11 -0600, Chuck Cole >wrote: >> The "bios" is in ROM on the motherboard. There are flash updates for Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >some Compaqs kept the BIOS on a disk partition not a ROM. You must go to >the Compaq site, download a ROM paq or some such beast, set up the >computer diagnostics, and install the BIOS - it probably got wiped when >someone wiped the HD. You are both right. Some computers do indeed contain (usually a major) part of the BIOS in a "hidden" (usually in reference to MS Windows) disk partition. However, these computers must have enough BIOS code in a ROM to ensure there is enough (any) RAM to load the rest of the BIOS into and then actually load it there. All (almost?) x86 motherboards have a routine in the BIOS that causes a loud beeping sound for a few seconds (and/or LED display code) when no RAM has been installed; this routine must be in the ROM part of a combination ROM/hard drive partition BIOS. The ROM part of this type of BIOS will also include a routine that updates or restores the hard drive portion of the BIOS from an installation floppy. One advantage of this ROM/hard drive partition BIOS is the ROM is immutable (can't be over-written) and upgrades are always done to the hard drive portion of the BIOS only. Power failure or other problems while upgrading the BIOS are immediately recoverable as soon as the problem with the upgrade has been diagnosed and fixed. An identical problem with a Flash-able ROM BIOS (BIOS _not_ partially on a hidden hard drive partition), results in a corrupt BIOS. Unless the motherboard has a backup BIOS, the Flash ROM must be removed from the motherboard and programmed in an Flash ROM "burner" or be replaced by an identical Flash ROM with a good copy of the BIOS. An end user is not likely to have either a Flash ROM "burner" or a spare flash ROM BIOS chip. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Mar 14 00:11:38 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Palms and shared calendars In-Reply-To: <16467.50146.441114.917270@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: My comments are just trying to identify what exists already. One can always customize by some amount of programming, and enough source info seems to be available, as well as SDKs for Palm, etc. What you seek (shared calendar subsets) seems to exist and seems described in what I have covered already though I didn't cover all facets in detail. I did shared subsets in my most complex case described earlier, where several subcategories on my laptop were actually several of my calendar sections from my work PC, via my PDAs. I had choices of which calendar sections from 2 PCs went to which of 2 PDAs and the other PC, and did not invoke the native data record field "category" in any way. Some constraint of conduit-level file reference definition required that calendar sections from one particular PC appear as sub-categories on the PDAs and home PC, but that was not a problem for me. The feature to make "categories" within the calendar function is defined within the Conduit Manager for my cases. It's defined in two forms that seem disjoint. The type that is a data record field is unused and maybe useless in my contexts, but both Palm and PC can sort on this field. I end up with a calendar hierarchy where the top level on all PDAs must be one PC's top one, but the second level may be any mix. I think 3rd levels and maybe more could be defined, but I stopped at a single subordinate level to contain the collection of shared and unshared calendar segments. My main point is that the conduit definitions, which are probably a proper subset of the Palm SDK, seem to contain a sufficient set of parameters so one can easily build the calendar subsection sharing one may want. My secondary point is that sticking to defined properties of Palm "Hotsync" interface is an option and probably w very wise idea for portability and growth. NB: I can define exactly which major sections of each PDA data are active in sync and which are "do nothing", or slaved, etc. The PC side is dumb, because it was defined to be "boss" before PDAs that smartness emerged. Trying to shift that paradigm doesn't seem a good idea to me for compatibility (etc). I think I also have the access to define which calendar (and other) subsections are shared also, but that gets *very* messy (my tree and data set is large already) so I try to limit the permutations as much as possible for KISS reasons. Happy hacking! Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of > rpgoldman@real-time.com > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 8:31 PM > To: cncole@earthlink.net; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Palms and shared calendars > > > >>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Cole writes: > > Chuck> Offhand, I'd say that what you want is quite easy to do and could link Linux and Windows PCs via the PDAs as > well. Avoiding > Chuck> categories makes things MUCH simpler every way and every day. > > Chuck> I just have "hotsync" set to recognize different PDAs, and multiple PCs (and multiple OS's) was just a matter > of setup options.. > Chuck> that I no longer use for multiple PCs with separate calendars on same PDAs. I used that setup about a year > with daily or more > Chuck> syncs, and still use most of that same setup. I remember most and have some notes, however. > > Chuck> Since the calendars are to be the same on both PCs, your > Chuck> setup should only require recognizing two PDAs to sync on > Chuck> each computer. This is *very* easy using Chapura's > Chuck> PocketMirror under multiple flavors of Windoze and > Chuck> OuchLook, and may be easy in other conduit managers. > > Actually, this isn't what I was saying. What I was saying was that > some SUBSET of the calendars should be shared. > > Also, having me synch my Palm on my wife's computer and her synch onto > mine will be burdensome. > > I appreciate your taking the time to think about this in this way that > works through the Palms rather than through a conduit between two > calendaring (and contacts) programs, but it still seems backwards to > me. Especially since the map from desktop -> palm is lossy. FYI, the Palm side seems to be smarter in control and the superset of data in all in my cases. I believe that shifting the apparent PDA paradigm of being superior to the PC in conduit definition and control will become a *big* departure in architecture, structure and control... read "time hog". I could be wrong, of course. I have not looked at the "netcentric" things I've seen mentioned, and that may be the world you really seek. > I would have thought that there would be a simple third point (call it > micro-Exchange) that would bring them together. > > Evolution *claims* shared calendaring, but AFAICT that just means > Exchange (or some other non-free, business oriented behemoth). > > KDEPIM seems to plan to have an egroupware conduit.... > > Anyone know more than that? > > cheers, > R > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Mar 14 10:31:02 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403141631.i2EGV2w14543@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: old stuff for free For free: 1. P166 processor and Asus mobo (ATX) w/64MB memory 2. Pentium Pro 200 computer, 128MB memory 3. older Compaq 15" monitor Pick up in Shoreview area. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsanborn at earthlink.net Sun Mar 14 10:48:45 2004 From: jsanborn at earthlink.net (John Sanborn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403141631.i2EGV2w14543@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: I'd be happy to take that 200 and monitor off your hands. I live not to far from Shoreview. (Andover) John Sanborn jsanborn@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of TCLUG Classifieds Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 10:31 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: old stuff for free For free: 1. P166 processor and Asus mobo (ATX) w/64MB memory 2. Pentium Pro 200 computer, 128MB memory 3. older Compaq 15" monitor Pick up in Shoreview area. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Sun Mar 14 14:43:32 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4054C3F4.3040904@argle.org> I just set a config like this up, I used Adtran bridging routers at either end of the PTP T1. Much easier and more flexible than IPv4 routing, and at $650 each a great deal compared to Linux boxes with T1 cards. kevin wrote: > Hello- > > A friend of mine (really, it's not me!) has gotten himself in too deep on a > project. > > Basically, a client of his has two locations. They want to run a T1 between > the locations, and then from one office run a T1 connection to the Internet. > Unfortunately, he know nothing about routers. > > While there might be better solutions, I was wondering if he could set > something up like this: > > 1. site 1 has a linux server with two NICs, one connected to the local > subnet, and one connected to the T1 subnet > 2. site 2 has a linux server with three NICs, one connected to the local > subnet, one to the T1 subnet, and the third connected to the T1 which has > Internet access. > > Could this work? > > If it would work, would I need to add static routes on the box with 3 NICs > or could it figure out how to send some traffic to the Internet and some to > the other site? > > Thanks! > Kevin > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Mar 14 17:07:11 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: <1079144344.5034.12.camel@localhost> References: <1079144344.5034.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4054E59F.50806@visi.com> Many manufacturers of computers use a partition on the hard disk to store programs that will not fit as part of the BIOS or may need to be updated. These are called "system" partitions. BIOS = Basic Input Output System is a program that interfaces the hardware to the Operating System and is in a CMOS chip on the mother board. Put the Floppy disk in the drive and turn the computer on. The computer boots from the floppy disk. Find in the menu system the part about installing diagnostic or system to the hard disk. If the machine will not boot from floppy disk something else is wrong. Sam. Jason Sievert wrote: >I think that it has enough intel to look for a compaq bios disk in the >cd. Have you already tried the bios floppy? >http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/Armada/us/download/8412.html > >On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 20:09, PHPTOm wrote: > > >>The model is >> >>Armada 7800 6266/T/5000/D/0/3 >> >>I do not understand how a boot disk will work if it currently has no bios. >>Currently, when I boot with a floppy in the drive, nothing happens. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>It looks like you just create a boot disk from their web site. What is >>>the full model number? >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Mar 14 19:00:53 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: <4054E59F.50806@visi.com> Message-ID: Some of BIOS must always be in ROM or flash ram so it will not fade away when *all* power is removed for hours. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald > > Many manufacturers of computers use a partition on the hard disk to > store programs that will not fit as part of the BIOS or may need to be > updated. These are called "system" partitions. > > BIOS = Basic Input Output System is a program that interfaces the > hardware to the Operating System and is in a CMOS chip on the mother board. > > Put the Floppy disk in the drive and turn the computer on. The computer > boots from the floppy disk. > Find in the menu system the part about installing diagnostic or system > to the hard disk. > > If the machine will not boot from floppy disk something else is wrong. > > Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Mar 14 21:40:51 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403150340.i2F3epQ22828@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: X10 firecracker Anyone have a spare X10 firecracker module the can part with? I moved a few months ago and misplaced mine. They aren't that expensive so I could order one online, but I thought I'd check the group first. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From benbetts at charter.net Sun Mar 14 23:35:26 2004 From: benbetts at charter.net (Benjamin Betts) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one million dollars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4055409E.9090509@charter.net> So much worthless conjecture. Techtosterone overrode. To answer the question at hand: If your CMOS is truly toast in every way you can buy a new one with your appropriate BIOS flashed on it from a place like http://www.biosman.com/ There are probably issues because it's a laptop. Could be a hardwired CMOS, who knows? BTW: If the CMOS it toast then the hard drive could have the meaning of life on it and it wouldn't matter. since when can you bootstrap from a floppy? BBTW: Don't listen to me I'm a dumbass. PHPTOm wrote: >If anyone can steer me in the right direction as yo how to get a bios on a >clean compaq armada laptop, I will give you a million dollars. > >TOm > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Mar 15 07:12:15 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SYSTEM Message-ID: <4055ABAF.9020104@visi.com> I'm looking for Mac System 7.5 so I can test a PowerBook 190CS. Nice little machine. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Mar 15 07:32:13 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079357532.5507.5.camel@unixws1> But his ISP obviously is allowing it through, since most sites can still send him mail (and I can connect to port 25 from here, outside of his ISP's network). Without an error message from the sending side, I am still recommending forwarding the ident port through the ActionTec. Are you sure your subscription is still active? Maybe the ML software suspended delivery to your domain because of problems during the router swap? On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 23:00, Daniel Taylor wrote: > many end-user ISP's block port 25 to their pools. As near as I can tell, > a lot of other sites are following suit. Try coordinating with your ISP > to relay through their MX to your domain or get you reverse DNS which > would likely free things up. > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > First of all thank you guys for the info on the 1.5 Mbps DSL. I just > > got it and it works great! > > > > Well, almost... > > > > I NAT-ed ports 22, 25 and 80 to my internal box. So far so good. I > > started getting mail from the lists I am subscribed to, except LKML.=20 > > When I try a portscan of my domain (iucha.net) from the office, I get > > only ports 22 and 80 open.=20 > > > > Telnet 25 from my office SUN machine fails with "connection timeout". > > Telnet 25 from my office Windows2k machine succeeds. > > Ssh from my office Windows2k machine fails with "connection timeout". > > > > I tried testing with http://vger.kernel.org/mxverify.html. The first > > two fail with "connection timeout", the third one succeeds! > > > > What's up? What should I do? > > > > Thank you, > > florin > > > > -- > > > > Don't question authority: they don't know either! > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Mar 15 08:48:46 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: <1079357532.5507.5.camel@unixws1> References: <1079357532.5507.5.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040315144846.GC826@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Mar 15 09:07:32 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] actiontec/dsl help!!! In-Reply-To: <20040315144846.GC826@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Florin Iucha wrote: > The actiontec 1524 does not support ECN. When I have ECN on and I try > to ssh into my box from the outside, I cannot connect. When I disable > ECN I can. When I enable ECN on the inside machines, I cannot connect > to outside websites. And therein lies the problem. I enabled ECN on a box and tried telnetting to your mail server (port 25, of course). No go. Disabled ECN, and connected just fine. So, any mail server that has ECN enabled can't connect to yours. > This is the only problem I found with this router so far. Seems like a pretty fatal flaw right now. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Mar 15 13:15:57 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't startx on debian. In-Reply-To: <404CB176.7050401@umn.edu> Message-ID: Did you actually properly configure X for your video card? You might want to reconfigure it... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 Make sure you select the xfree86 server, not the VGA, SVGA, etc servers. Those servers are Xfree v3 servers, unless you have a crad that just isn't supported by Xfree v4, you don't want to use them. :) Once you have selected your server, make sure you select the right video driver. Hard to tell you what to pick since you didn't share what video card you have. Next you have to configure your monitor. If you don't know the exact refresh rates of your monitor, selecting simple should work just fine. You can always tweak things later. ' Beyond that, bear with the installer questions. Read them carefully, select the help option where you need it, and cross your fingers. And instead of startx, why not use a display manager like GDM, KDM, or XDM (depending on your desktop enviorment...) They are only and apt-get install away... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Mar 15 13:29:57 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora on VirtualPC 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: up2date is slow in general. Open up a terminal and use yum, it's slightly faster. When I installed Fedora, I was missing the gpg keyrings of the Fedora folks, so up2date would stop on every package to ask if it was ok to install...that plus the slow server made it very annoying. Importing the GPG keys (which are lurking in /usr/share/doc if I'm not mistaken) helps alot, but up2date is still painfully slow. There are many a link out there. I collected many from this list: http://fedora.artoo.net/faq/ http://rpm.livna.org/ http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/ http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO.php http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_article.php http://www.jdmz.net/yum/ www.fedorazine.com www.fedoranews.org Plenty of helpful stuff there :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Chris Schumann wrote: | I got a copy of Microsoft's VirtualPC 2004 yesterday and installed it on a | Windows XP Pro computer at home. It currently only supports Windows 2000 | or later as a host OS now. But if someone can tell me how to get video | editing, DVD burning and HDTV viewing done in Linux, I'm more than happy | to listen! | | I then installed Fedora Core 1 on it. Rather, I'm in the midst of that. | | It's gone pretty easily so far. You tell it you want a new virtual | machine, running "Other" for an OS, set up its virtual hard disk (a file | on the host machine), put in a bootable CD and click Start. | | The virtual machine starts, and you get a BIOS screen. It's a little | startling to see a BIOS from another brand than what's in the machine, let | alone in a window on the desktop, but you get used to that. | | The CD boots and Fedora begins its installation. I set it to automatically | partition and install the Workstation software suite. The VM reports a | generic S3 (I think) video card to the BIOS, and Fedora's graphics seem to | work OK. | | One strange thing is that installation took a very long time. Like over | two hours long. The CPU was idle most of the time, so I'm chalking this up | to inefficient CD-ROM emulation layers so far. | | After installation and a re-boot, I logged in and ran /sbin/ifconfig. | | Another thing new to this person who's never run VM software before was | seeing a new virtual network card, with some made-up MAC address get an IP | address from my DHCP server. So now my machine has two IP addresses. | | The first thing I tried to do was update the system with up2date. So far | it's taken several hours because the site hosting updates is so glacial. | | If anyone has tips on speeding that process, I'd be very grateful. | | I also installed FreeDOS on another VM, then quickly added Quake for DOS. | It seems to work, except for sound. Sound also does not work in Fedora as | of yet. | | If there's interest, I'll post more as I do more. | | Chris Schumann | | | _______________________________________________ | TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota | http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org | https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | | | !DSPAM:404e1755163682027844886! | | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 15 15:31:11 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: chroot is your friend WAS Re: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200403151531.11335@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 05 March 2004 09:01 am, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > I programmed our web page with a vital error. I passed a variable that > > contained the name of a file to be opened is such a way that it could be > > changed. So the hacker simply changed it to whatever file they wanted to > > see and presto - I handed them my box. Running things chroot'd is your friend. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 15 15:30:01 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Attack In-Reply-To: <404765D4.60108@structural-wood.com> References: <404765D4.60108@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <200403151530.04089@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 04 March 2004 11:22 am, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Social Engineering? > > Pastor Doug Coats wrote: > > Thanks everyone for your input so far. > > > > A special thanks to B_o_B (I think) who has been diligently trying to > > hack me. :) > > > > SMB is on but not open to the public. > > Finger is on but not open to public > > > > It is an email and web server. > > > > The only VRFY message in the maillog is a rejection for B_o_B. > > > > domain.com/~username returns the same for valid and invalid users. > > > > B_o_B has passed along the nmap and the results look like they should - I > > think. Look at your people as well as all those hackers on the Internet. Most security incidents come from within. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Mar 15 15:52:38 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! Message-ID: It looks like the beeradminning position has sent our beer admin running with his tail in between his legs and nobody is in charge of scheduling beermeetings anymore. As we have not had a beermeeting in a while, and I am left bereft of human contact: BeerMeeting this Friday at Barley Johns, 6pm-whenever. On the agenda this BM is: Beer. Food. A game of: Who wants to be a BeerAdmin! More Beer. NA drinks for those who for some reason or another cannot drink beer. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Mar 15 16:02:28 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAEA@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Ehem...i believe what I told you is that due to current circumstances I am unable to afford to attend all the beer meetings and don't have time for the responsibilities, I can see how you would get those 2 things confused though :P -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Munir Nassar It looks like the beeradminning position has sent our beer admin running with his tail in between his legs and nobody is in charge of scheduling beermeetings anymore. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 15 16:27:37 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Munir Nassar wrote: > and I am left bereft of human contact: *looks over at Munir's desk* HEY! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Mar 15 16:36:14 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] REMINDER: SCALUG Meeting March 20 @ 3PM In-Reply-To: <1552.156.99.116.45.1079383579.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <1552.156.99.116.45.1079383579.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20040315223614.GG24440@fandre.com> VMWare is willing to come and talk to any LUG. Is this something the TCLUG would be interested in? Shall I try and schedule something for this spring, or is everyone heading up to St. Cloud this Saturday? -- Clay On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Brian wrote: > Just a quick reminder, our next SCALUG meeting is This coming Saturday, > March 20th, in St. Cloud. Robert from VMware will be coming out to show > off Vmware workstation as well as the GSX and ESX server products. It's > going to be a lot of fun, hope to see you all there! > > As always, the info is up at http://scalug.mn-linux.org > > -Brian > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Mar 15 17:05:19 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] REMINDER: SCALUG Meeting March 20 @ 3PM Message-ID: >>> Clay Fandre 03/15/04 04:36PM >>> >VMWare is willing to come and talk to any LUG. Is this something the >TCLUG would be interested in? Shall I try and schedule something for >this spring, or is everyone heading up to St. Cloud this Saturday? I will try to make it to the St.Cloud meeting, but I would probably be interested in a TCLUG meeting this spring too, regardless of if I make it there or not. Troy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Mon Mar 15 17:41:10 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT} Downloading MacOS 7.5 In-Reply-To: <4055ABAF.9020104@visi.com> (message from Samuel MacDonald on Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:12:15 -0600) References: <4055ABAF.9020104@visi.com> Message-ID: <200403152341.i2FNfA703669@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Samuel MacDonald wrote: >I'm looking for Mac System 7.5 so I can test a PowerBook 190CS. >Nice little machine. I understand that Apple allows copying of MacOS versions up through 7.5. You may be a able to get it from a Mac user or Mac user group. Download area for 7.5.3: http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/ The text file describing the download says that MacOS 7.0.1 is required to assemble the 19 self-mounting disk images. For earlier MacOS systems, one can download the System 7.5 Network Access floppy disk image and boot the Macintosh from that and assemble the self-mounting disk images. The "containing" web page has other items of interest about old Mac systems: http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/ Here's another site with the full MacOS 7.5, including the System 7.5 Netork Access floppy image: http://igsi.tripod.com/mac/index753.html Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 15 17:46:49 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? Message-ID: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> Thought this was funny. http://mjt.nysv.org/humor/for_real/dotnet-crazy.png -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Mon Mar 15 18:12:36 2004 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> That's hilarious! I one time had an HPUX machine that I didn't reboot for a year. It crashed because there was a hidden system log that was supposed to have been turned off shortly after we brought it up. The log filled up as it was limited in length or lines and when it filled, it stopped the system because it was required to write a message. We were lucky it was at a reasonable time of day and the SE knew about the problem. Most Unix/Linux systems don't need rebooting unless your adding something that requires it. Maybe another 10 years they'll get it right! Keep looking up, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? > Thought this was funny. > > http://mjt.nysv.org/humor/for_real/dotnet-crazy.png > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Mar 15 18:08:34 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 04:27:37PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040315180834.B24584@real-time.com> On 03/15 04:27 , Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Munir Nassar wrote: > > and I am left bereft of human contact: > > *looks over at Munir's desk* > > HEY! what, you want *other* people to think you're human? It's bad enough to be faced with one's own humanity; the embarrasment of the whole world knowing about it is daunting. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Mar 15 18:23:36 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> Message-ID: <40564908.104@visi.com> LOLROF Bob Tanner wrote: >Thought this was funny. > >http://mjt.nysv.org/humor/for_real/dotnet-crazy.png > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Mar 15 18:13:44 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 03:52:38PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040315181344.C24584@real-time.com> On 03/15 03:52 , Munir Nassar wrote: > As we have not had a beermeeting in a while, and I am left bereft of human > contact: > BeerMeeting this Friday at Barley Johns, 6pm-whenever. mmm... Barley John's... best beer & burgers in the 'Cities, IMHO. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Mon Mar 15 19:14:16 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] REMINDER: SCALUG Meeting March 20 @ 3PM In-Reply-To: <20040315223614.GG24440@fandre.com> (message from Clay Fandre on Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:36:14 -0600) References: <1552.156.99.116.45.1079383579.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <20040315223614.GG24440@fandre.com> Message-ID: <200403160114.i2G1EGj04680@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Clay Fandre wrote: >VMWare is willing to come and talk to any LUG. Is this something the >TCLUG would be interested in? Shall I try and schedule something for >this spring, or is everyone heading up to St. Cloud this Saturday? It would be nice if VMWare could demonstrate their technology at a TCLUG meeting, since a trip to St. Cloud is quite long for many TCLUG members. Yes, please schedule VMWare. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs ------ >On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Brian wrote: >> Just a quick reminder, our next SCALUG meeting is This coming Saturday, >> March 20th, in St. Cloud. Robert from VMware will be coming out to show >> off Vmware workstation as well as the GSX and ESX server products. It's >> going to be a lot of fun, hope to see you all there! >> As always, the info is up at http://scalug.mn-linux.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Mon Mar 15 19:55:44 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora on VirtualPC 2004 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079401663.9237.0.camel@max.local> > CPU performance so far seems fine. I'll test more with network once > up2date is complete, then on to video for a bit then sound. It's strange > but I'm itching to play an old DOS game (Full Throttle). Use ScummVM instead? ;) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Mar 15 19:59:20 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <20040315195156.T93164@unix18.sihope.com> My personal best - I got a screenshot at 600 days. It died at 657 (fscking Bind...). We had a eulogy. Actually, we had a party with cake at 600 days. Our little P-133 that could. http://www.sihope.com/~adamm/unix6/unix6.jpg Yeah, 657 isn't record-shattering, but it's still a testament to the power and stability of unix, in any flavor. And the infamous message I sent out to our tech mailing list: Last night, tragedy struck the quiet server room of Sihope. Unix6, one of our DNS and backup mailservers, had a kernel panic and rebooted shortly before 10pm. By the time our monitoring caught the problem, it was too late. Our initial prognosis based on the messages it logged before it's final breath was that a complication with a newer version of Bind exhausted mbufs, causing the system to run out of memory for network buffers. After rebooting, the system came back up and we made some tweaks to the named configuration. It's now back to serving DNS requests again, however it's just an empty shell now, having lost it's spark of life, it's soul, it's amazing uptime. On November 20th at 21:41:56, after running for 657 days, 20 hours, and 51 minutes, Unix6 logged it's last syslog message and quietly passed on. We are left with the small comfort in knowing that it has gone to a better place, the big kernel in the sky. This afternoon Sihope staff will be holding a short service to pay tribute to our lost friend, Unichs Xavier Six. Before we commit our departed server to it's final resting place, there will be a reading from page 3 of "The Complete FreeBSD". Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Tim Sinks wrote: > That's hilarious! > I one time had an HPUX machine that I didn't reboot for a year. It crashed > because there was a hidden system log that was supposed to have been turned > off shortly after we brought it up. The log filled up as it was limited in > length or lines and when it filled, it stopped the system because it was > required to write a message. We were lucky it was at a reasonable time of > day and the SE knew about the problem. > Most Unix/Linux systems don't need rebooting unless your adding something > that requires it. > Maybe another 10 years they'll get it right! > Keep looking up, > Tim Sinks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Tanner" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 5:46 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? > > > > Thought this was funny. > > > > http://mjt.nysv.org/humor/for_real/dotnet-crazy.png > > > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Mon Mar 15 19:40:26 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] REMINDER: SCALUG Meeting March 20 @ 3PM References: <1552.156.99.116.45.1079383579.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <20040315223614.GG24440@fandre.com> Message-ID: <004401c40afa$7614e880$0300a8c0@moose> > VMWare is willing to come and talk to any LUG. Is this something the > TCLUG would be interested in? Shall I try and schedule something for > this spring, or is everyone heading up to St. Cloud this Saturday? > > -- Clay > I am unable to make the SCALUG meeting and would find a VMWare presentaion to be very cool. So that's one vote. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Mon Mar 15 20:01:39 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <40566003.709EE00C@ppdonline.com> I'm running an old Windows NT 4.0 box and according to the task manager my system has been running for 3877:46:19. That puts my last reboot back around October 6th or so and I seem to remember that corresponding with a power outage at my house (I don't care what OS you run, without a battery room or GenSet you're not running without electricity). I know everyone's favorite sport on this list is bashing Microsoft products but I'm living proof that Windows can run for extended periods of time reliably. Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Mon Mar 15 20:37:28 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <40566868.9030205@comcast.net> I used to work for a company that had hundreds of IRIX Indy and O2 machines running in the field. We used to run "uptime" just for grins on sites that we weren't familar with (ie, not a troublesome site) and I believe the record was over 400 days. 2 to 3 months was usually the minimum. Tim Sinks wrote: > That's hilarious! > I one time had an HPUX machine that I didn't reboot for a year. It crashed > because there was a hidden system log that was supposed to have been turned > off shortly after we brought it up. The log filled up as it was limited in > length or lines and when it filled, it stopped the system because it was > required to write a message. We were lucky it was at a reasonable time of > day and the SE knew about the problem. > Most Unix/Linux systems don't need rebooting unless your adding something > that requires it. > Maybe another 10 years they'll get it right! > Keep looking up, > Tim Sinks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Tanner" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 5:46 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? > > > >>Thought this was funny. >> >>http://mjt.nysv.org/humor/for_real/dotnet-crazy.png >> >> >>-- >>Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >>http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 >>http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! >>Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Mar 15 21:09:43 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <40566003.709EE00C@ppdonline.com> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> <40566003.709EE00C@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Ben Bargabus wrote: > everyone's favorite sport on this list is bashing Microsoft products but > I'm living proof that Windows can run for extended periods of time > reliably. yeah, but does it DO anything? and heaven protect us all if that PC ever gets within 100 yards of that intarwebnetthingie. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 15 21:15:01 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <40566003.709EE00C@ppdonline.com> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> <40566003.709EE00C@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Ben Bargabus wrote: > I'm running an old Windows NT 4.0 box and according to the task manager > my system has been running for 3877:46:19. That puts my last reboot > back around October 6th or so and I seem to remember that corresponding > with a power outage at my house (I don't care what OS you run, without a > battery room or GenSet you're not running without electricity). I know > everyone's favorite sport on this list is bashing Microsoft products but > I'm living proof that Windows can run for extended periods of time > reliably. Ben. Dude, 161 days? I've had more than that on my workstation! :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Mar 16 00:11:13 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] multi-video card support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079417469.9236.14.camel@max.local> On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 15:47, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > Anyone running an AGP and a PCI video card in their system? Nvidia, ATI, > or Matrox? Some combination? I ran a TNT2 Ultra AGP, TNT1 PCI and 3dfx Banshee PCI setup for quite some time. Binary nvidia driver on the TNT2, Xfree nv driver on the TNT1. 3D worked fine on the TNT2, any openGL windows just showed up as black if dragged onto the other screens. Generated a f-ckload of heat though. Great in the winter. Sucked in the summer. Also ran a Rage Pro instead of the TNT1 at first for a little while. They don't fully support multihead and won't work as a secondary card. I had to make the BIOS boot to the Rage Pro to get it to work, but both XFree and Win2K let me set the TNT2 as the "primary" screen for 3D and video overlays. Rage 128 and newer fully support multihead. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Mar 16 01:51:28 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hacker-style music In-Reply-To: <20040301215616.GA65912@nan2d.com> References: <20040301043619.GA59540@nan2d.com> <20040301215616.GA65912@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <1079423487.29295.63.camel@bigtime> >From the Indier than Thou department: http://www.kompressormusic.com/ (nerdcore hiphop will reign supreme) http://www.frontalot.com/ http://www.mcchris.com/ http://www.mchawking.com/ >From the demo scene: http://kebby.org/ http://www.scenemusic.net/info.htm?idsong=66404 http://www.scenemusic.net/info.htm?idsong=53381 http://www.scenemusic.net/info.htm?idsong=53354 http://teque.planet-d.net/ http://www.w@yfinder.de/ Feel free to listen in and browse www.scenemusic.net >From the good old days of mp3.com: http://www.trancecontrol.com/ http://www.303infinity.com/ NordBeat PPK >From the I am a Consumer Whore department: Prodigy Chemical Brothers Daft Punk Fatboy Slim Orbital VNV Nation Apoptygma Bezerk The Crystal Method Atari Teenage Riot Wendy Carlos Aphex Twin Kraftwerk They Might Be Giants Devo Information Society Thomas Dolby Mike Oldfield Kitaro Blue Man Group Raymond Scott Weird Al Yankovic Moby Paul Oakenfold Paul van Dyk Ferry Corsten Tiesto Marco V Antiloop Les Rhythmes Digitales Benny Benassi Eiffel 65 The Beastie Boys Rob Zombie Console Bloodhound Gang Apparently I have somewhere around 50gb of music. I'm sure someone can top that... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Mar 16 02:50:29 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] REMINDER: SCALUG Meeting March 20 @ 3PM In-Reply-To: <004401c40afa$7614e880$0300a8c0@moose> References: <1552.156.99.116.45.1079383579.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <20040315223614.GG24440@fandre.com> <004401c40afa$7614e880$0300a8c0@moose> Message-ID: <20040316085029.GG14461@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 16 08:44:44 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <20040315195156.T93164@unix18.sihope.com> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> <20040315195156.T93164@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:59:20 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney wrote: > My personal best - I got a screenshot at 600 days. It died at 657 > (fscking Bind...). We had a eulogy. Actually, we had a party with cake > at 600 days. Our little P-133 that could. > > http://www.sihope.com/~adamm/unix6/unix6.jpg > what's that background on the eterm? sorry to hear about the little P-133... it was a nice story and lived a fulfilling life. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Mar 16 08:59:37 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> <20040315195156.T93164@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: <1079449176.8027.39.camel@unixws1> > what's that background on the eterm? > Beats me - it was back when I was using enlightement, and it's default was to rotate random backgrounds. I think that one was part of a set that's out of an old fantasy story (I'm sure someone else on the list knows). I never played with the backgrounds - in fact, I didn't like them and thought they got in the way. > sorry to hear about the little P-133... it was a nice story and lived a > fulfilling life. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 16 09:03:44 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <20040315195156.T93164@unix18.sihope.com> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> <20040315195156.T93164@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: <20040316150344.GA30980@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Mar 16 09:28:22 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <20040316150344.GA30980@wookimus.net> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> <20040315195156.T93164@unix18.sihope.com> <20040316150344.GA30980@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1079450901.8027.60.camel@unixws1> Just in our ML archives currently. I was actually surprised by how many people replied with serious condolences. And of course I got a Windows user that said something like, "657 days - don't you ever do security updates?" Heh...silly Win32 users and their silly notions about rebooting. It's so cute. Come on kids, you should only have to reboot for kernel patches :) On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 09:03, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 07:59:20PM -0600, Adam Maloney wrote: > > This afternoon Sihope staff will be holding a short service to pay tribute > > to our lost friend, Unichs Xavier Six. Before we commit our departed > > server to it's final resting place, there will be a reading from page 3 of > > "The Complete FreeBSD". > > ROFL! I hope you have this up on some Sihope Hall of Fame Curiosa page > somewhere. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Mar 16 09:25:52 2004 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's an old rendering from digitalblasphemy.com. I doubt that it's up in their public area any more. If you find an old install of enlightenment, it might be included. Jeff On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, johnnyfulcrum wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:59:20 -0600 (CST), Adam Maloney > wrote: > > > My personal best - I got a screenshot at 600 days. It died at 657 > > (fscking Bind...). We had a eulogy. Actually, we had a party with cake > > at 600 days. Our little P-133 that could. > > > > http://www.sihope.com/~adamm/unix6/unix6.jpg > > > what's that background on the eterm? > > sorry to hear about the little P-133... it was a nice story and lived a > fulfilling life. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Mar 16 10:27:31 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> <20040315195156.T93164@unix18.sihope.com> Message-ID: <20040316102731.00002353@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:44:44 -0600 johnnyfulcrum wrote: > sorry to hear about the little P-133... it was a nice story and > lived a fulfilling life. Amazing what you can do with a P-133 - it's currently my firewall running Debian. I'd brag about my uptime but stupid Excel energy had a power outtage last month and my 30 minutes UPS wasn't enough. Oh well, just a home net... Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Tue Mar 16 11:32:50 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 09:15:01PM -0600 References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> <40566003.709EE00C@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20040316113250.A16983@real-time.com> On 03/15 09:15 , natecars@real-time.com wrote: > > Dude, 161 days? > > I've had more than that on my workstation! :) > record on my workstation was 280 days (took it down to put in a new video card). would have been even longer; except for the long power outage which started that uptime run. (and once upon a time before that, there was an accidental strike of ctrl+alt+del instead of ctrl+alt+backspace). yes, in 3.5 years of working at RTE, I can almost remember every instance of rebooting my workstation. (hasn't been that many). The longest I've seen was a fileserver that had been running for 1056 days. (yes, it was behind a firewall; and no, the company wasn't paying for our security update service on it). Amazingly enough, it didn't even have a UPS on it. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Mar 16 12:52:00 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <20040316113250.A16983@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 11:32:50AM -0600 References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> <40566003.709EE00C@ppdonline.com> <20040316113250.A16983@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040316125200.A10245@thinkunix.net> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > The longest I've seen was a fileserver that had been running for 1056 days. > (yes, it was behind a firewall; and no, the company wasn't paying for > our security update service on it). Amazingly enough, it didn't even have a > UPS on it. I have to ask, what OS? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joeltclug at litriusgroup.com Tue Mar 16 15:15:33 2004 From: joeltclug at litriusgroup.com (Joel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] humor Message-ID: <1079471733.40576e75b1c20@mail.litriusgroup.com> all I can say is: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/microsoftdance.mpg _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ston0235 at umn.edu Tue Mar 16 15:29:36 2004 From: ston0235 at umn.edu (Ian Stoner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ripping clever audio CDs Message-ID: <20040316152936.68c69930.ston0235@umn.edu> I just bought a CD that, in addition to 13 normal tracks, has 4 songs "hidden" before track 1. Instructions in the booklet say that, to listen to these 4 songs, you should hit play on track 1, and then scan backwards to the beginning of the music, and listen from there. Unfortunately, I listen to music on my computer, and my CD-ROM does not have scan buttons. Are there any tools that might be able to rip audio from before track 1 on an audio CD? I tried grip and abcde, which are the programs I typically use, and both of them saw only the 13 normal audio tracks on the disc. Thanks, Ian -- Ian Stoner Philosophy Department University of Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Mar 16 15:52:35 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux for Kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40577723.1030209@edenpr.k12.mn.us> I agree. A lot of effort (when we have funding) is put into professional development for teachers and staff (at Eden Prairie Schools ISD272), but some things are still difficult. E.g. at our High school we are limited to teaching certain things based on what the instructor is comfortable with (e.g. kids are using jedit instead of eclipse or xemacs or vi or whatever they want to do java coding). There is an effort for more Linux in schools here, and I encourage those of you who are involved with your schools to encourage the technology departments in that respect. Linux is awesome, and the schools the best place for it to grow. Daniel Taylor wrote: >Well, my 5 year old daughter was complaining when the last Debian >unstable upgrade I did broke KDE, but she didn't stop using the >computer just because it was on fvwm. (KDE is fixed now, and she stopped >complaining). > >It isn't the _kids_ that'll be the problem. The primary focus needs >to be on training the teachers. Most of them will be lost because it >isn't what they are used to. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Mar 16 15:56:57 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ripping clever audio CDs In-Reply-To: <20040316152936.68c69930.ston0235@umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Ian Stoner wrote: > Unfortunately, I listen to music on my computer, and my CD-ROM does not > have scan buttons. Are there any tools that might be able to rip audio > from before track 1 on an audio CD? I tried grip and abcde, which are > the programs I typically use, and both of them saw only the 13 normal > audio tracks on the disc. Hmm. You might be able to copy the CD with cdrdao, tweak the TOC file, and re-burn it normally. I have no idea if it'd work, though, or even how exactly to do it. I just remember reading something about this[1] at the cdrdao site[2]. Jima 1. http://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/example.html#secret 2. http://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Mar 16 22:04:40 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: several 15, 17, 19 inch Monitors for sale I have several 17" monitors, mostly Trinitron tubes, most of them Dell branded. They have been tested. $15 each. I also have a few 15" monitors, $10 each. I also have a few Sun 19" monitors, tested, $20 each. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Mar 16 22:29:44 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] humor In-Reply-To: <1079471733.40576e75b1c20@mail.litriusgroup.com> References: <1079471733.40576e75b1c20@mail.litriusgroup.com> Message-ID: <1079497784.1046.47.camel@lotsa> On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 15:15, Joel wrote: > all I can say is: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/microsoftdance.mpg That reminds me of Tom Cruse in the movie Magnolia... except fat & ugly. lol -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ston0235 at umn.edu Wed Mar 17 00:15:46 2004 From: ston0235 at umn.edu (Ian Stoner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ripping clever audio CDs SOLVED In-Reply-To: <20040316152936.68c69930.ston0235@umn.edu> References: <20040316152936.68c69930.ston0235@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040317001546.56422b58.ston0235@umn.edu> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:29:36 -0600 Ian Stoner wrote: > Are there any tools that might be able to rip audio from before track > 1 on an audio CD? I tried grip and abcde, which are the programs I > typically use, and both of them saw only the 13 normal audio tracks on > the disc. It turns out cdparanoia can do this. Although "cdparanoia -Q" only saw tracks 1 - 13 on the CD, I tried, on a whim, "cdparanoia 0", and it ripped the pregap track just fine. -- Ian Stoner Philosophy Department University of Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at techspresso.com Wed Mar 17 05:27:27 2004 From: mike at techspresso.com (Mike Gelhar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: I'd like two of the dell 17" please. I'll also take 1 sun if it has the standard VGA connection, or the RBG breakouts. Mike -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of TCLUG Classifieds Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:05 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: several 15, 17, 19 inch Monitors for sale I have several 17" monitors, mostly Trinitron tubes, most of them Dell branded. They have been tested. $15 each. I also have a few 15" monitors, $10 each. I also have a few Sun 19" monitors, tested, $20 each. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Wed Mar 17 07:34:28 2004 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:48:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] humor In-Reply-To: <1079497784.1046.47.camel@lotsa> References: <1079471733.40576e75b1c20@mail.litriusgroup.com> <1079497784.1046.47.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: Here's a mod of it that's pretty wild. I got it from here: http://log.antiflux.org/tim/archives/000776.html#000776 http://antiflux.org/~tim/files/ballmer.avi Gerry On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Tom Penney wrote: > On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 15:15, Joel wrote: > > all I can say is: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/microsoftdance.mpg > > That reminds me of Tom Cruse in the movie Magnolia... except fat & ugly. > lol > > -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 17 07:45:04 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: (Monitors) New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1079531103.2277.5.camel@unixws1> I could use a 17" if there are any unspoken for. On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 22:04, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: several 15, 17, 19 inch Monitors for sale > > I have several 17" monitors, mostly Trinitron tubes, most of them Dell branded. They have been tested. $15 each. > > I also have a few 15" monitors, $10 each. > > I also have a few Sun 19" monitors, tested, $20 each. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Wed Mar 17 09:01:52 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Thomas Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1079535712.25154.1255.camel@daedalus.1337consulting.net> I'll take a 17" and one of the Sun 19"'s if you still have them. On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 22:04, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: several 15, 17, 19 inch Monitors for sale > > I have several 17" monitors, mostly Trinitron tubes, most of them Dell branded. They have been tested. $15 each. > > I also have a few 15" monitors, $10 each. > > I also have a few Sun 19" monitors, tested, $20 each. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Wed Mar 17 09:24:01 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040317152400.GB16209@therub.org> I'll take 1 17" if you have one left. Thanks, dan On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 10:04:40PM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: several 15, 17, 19 inch Monitors for sale > > I have several 17" monitors, mostly Trinitron tubes, most of them Dell branded. They have been tested. $15 each. > > I also have a few 15" monitors, $10 each. > > I also have a few Sun 19" monitors, tested, $20 each. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Mar 17 09:55:39 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <405874FB.4060204@visi.com> Did I leave my Windows 98 CD in the Laptop with the CDROM? Sam. Munir Nassar wrote: >It looks like the beeradminning position has sent our beer admin running >with his tail in between his legs and nobody is in charge of scheduling >beermeetings anymore. > >As we have not had a beermeeting in a while, and I am left bereft of human >contact: >BeerMeeting this Friday at Barley Johns, 6pm-whenever. > >On the agenda this BM is: >Beer. >Food. >A game of: Who wants to be a BeerAdmin! >More Beer. >NA drinks for those who for some reason or another cannot drink beer. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jsievert at jsievert.net Wed Mar 17 10:12:14 2004 From: jsievert at jsievert.net (Jason Sievert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1079539886.5016.0.camel@localhost> What are the Sun monitors, might be willing to pick up 2. Jason On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 22:04, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: several 15, 17, 19 inch Monitors for sale > > I have several 17" monitors, mostly Trinitron tubes, most of them Dell branded. They have been tested. $15 each. > > I also have a few 15" monitors, $10 each. > > I also have a few Sun 19" monitors, tested, $20 each. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 17 10:23:44 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting! In-Reply-To: <405874FB.4060204@visi.com> References: <405874FB.4060204@visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Did I leave my Windows 98 CD in the Laptop with the CDROM? eh? who me? i did not see any winders 98 thingamajogs. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Wed Mar 17 10:17:20 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mount command blues Message-ID: <1097876742.20040317101720@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Wednesday, March 17, 2004 @ 10:12:49 AM Central Standard Time Hi All. I have a small issue I cannot seem to resolve over here. I am trying to make some things available on a public FTP server. The things I am trying to make available are on a different partition, than the normal content of the FTP (document root). Using Proftp 1.2.9. Added the "DefaultRoot ~" option to keep users & anonymous "jailed" (I really don't want people to wander out of their area). There is not enough drive capacity to just simply copy the material into the public FTP area. Due to the chroot "Jailed" option (DefaulRoot ~), I cannot add a symlink to the material (will not work). To get around this, I manually made a duplicate mount point in the FTP area to the new material. I issued the following: (the default ftp document root dir is /home/ftp) mkdir /home/ftp/new-stuff mount --bind /var/for-ftp/new-stuff /home/ftp/new-stuff this works great. I log into the FTP as "anonymous", ls, cd into new-stuff, everything is their, & I am happy :) So, to finish the job, I want to add this command to the system start-up config, so this will always be available. I added the following to my /etc/rc.d/rc.local (Slackware) file: mount --bind /var/for-ftp/new-stuff /home/ftp/new-stuff I reboot the box to make sure all is well, log into the FTP, cd into new-stuff, nothing is their, & I am Sad :( I checked & checked & moved where the command loads in my rc.local, but no good. When the systems boots, I can log in & manually issue the command & it works again. What am I doing wrong? I cannot figure out why this command will not work in my rc.local? Any ideas or pointers would be greatly appreciated. Many Thanks & Kind Regards, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Mar 17 10:40:00 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beeradmin! [WAS: BeerMeeting!] In-Reply-To: References: <405874FB.4060204@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040317164000.GA24079@mail.el-swifto.com> [snip] We might want to consider giving the beeradmin job to a group of people; it seems to be too much for one person to do all by his/herself. I'd offer to organize 1 or 2 meetings a year, no more. I'd bet if we lowered the bar a bit other people might offer as well. Perhaps Munir or Jima could be the meta-Beeradmin, and organize a schedule of volunteers to run the meetings. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Wed Mar 17 10:52:13 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (garrett) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mount command blues In-Reply-To: <1097876742.20040317101720@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1097876742.20040317101720@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <4058823D.4020604@cleosci.com> What about creating a soft link in the ftp root to the original material? ln -s I've used this technique numerous times myself with success. B_o_B wrote: >Wednesday, March 17, 2004 @ 10:12:49 AM Central Standard Time > >Hi All. I have a small issue I cannot seem to resolve over here. > >I am trying to make some things available on a public FTP server. The >things I am trying to make available are on a different partition, >than the normal content of the FTP (document root). > >Using Proftp 1.2.9. >Added the "DefaultRoot ~" option to keep users & anonymous >"jailed" (I really don't want people to wander out of their area). > >There is not enough drive capacity to just >simply copy the material into the public FTP area. > >Due to the chroot "Jailed" option (DefaulRoot ~), >I cannot add a symlink to the material (will not work). > >To get around this, I manually made a duplicate mount point in the FTP >area to the new material. I issued the following: >(the default ftp document root dir is /home/ftp) > >mkdir /home/ftp/new-stuff > >mount --bind /var/for-ftp/new-stuff /home/ftp/new-stuff > >this works great. I log into the FTP as "anonymous", ls, cd into >new-stuff, everything is their, & I am happy :) > >So, to finish the job, I want to add this command to the system >start-up config, so this will always be available. >I added the following to my /etc/rc.d/rc.local (Slackware) file: > >mount --bind /var/for-ftp/new-stuff /home/ftp/new-stuff > >I reboot the box to make sure all is well, log into the FTP, cd into >new-stuff, nothing is their, & I am Sad :( > >I checked & checked & moved where the command loads in my rc.local, >but no good. When the systems boots, I can log in & manually issue >the command & it works again. > >What am I doing wrong? I cannot figure out why this command will not >work in my rc.local? > >Any ideas or pointers would be greatly appreciated. > >Many Thanks & Kind Regards, > >Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >West Longitude 90' 15' 43" >http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 17 10:52:07 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beeradmin! [WAS: BeerMeeting!] In-Reply-To: <20040317164000.GA24079@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <405874FB.4060204@visi.com> <20040317164000.GA24079@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, John J. Trammell wrote: > We might want to consider giving the beeradmin job to a group > of people; it seems to be too much for one person to do all by > his/herself. we tried that for a while, it ends up being: "i thought person X was going to do that!" or "was it my turn really?" > I'd offer to organize 1 or 2 meetings a year, no more. I'd bet > if we lowered the bar a bit other people might offer as well. i'd rather use a wiki with a meta organizer. whoever feels like a beermeeting can call one(within certain parameters) > Perhaps Munir or Jima could be the meta-Beeradmin, and organize > a schedule of volunteers to run the meetings. i do believe that jima will not have anything to do with beermeetings ever again. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 17 10:50:58 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mount command blues In-Reply-To: <1097876742.20040317101720@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1097876742.20040317101720@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <1079542257.2277.114.camel@unixws1> Does the mount command print anything out when it boots? It's odd that it wouldn't print any message at all. Is there something in rc.local that is providing a necessary service to an NFS mount, that's being called AFTER the mount command? Like starting bind or adding a route or something? What if you make it the last command that runs, and put a sleep 60 right before it? Maybe some service is starting but isn't done initializing by the time it hits that part of rc.local? Boot it as you have it now (not working) and do an lsmod, then do the mount and do another lsmod, and see if there's some kernel module being loaded, that for some reason can't be loaded at boot? Oh, and any reason why not put it in fstab? I think it's smart enough to handle that properly (get network up before mounting NFS mounts). BSD handles this correctly at least. On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 10:17, B_o_B wrote: > Wednesday, March 17, 2004 @ 10:12:49 AM Central Standard Time > > Hi All. I have a small issue I cannot seem to resolve over here. > > I am trying to make some things available on a public FTP server. The > things I am trying to make available are on a different partition, > than the normal content of the FTP (document root). > > Using Proftp 1.2.9. > Added the "DefaultRoot ~" option to keep users & anonymous > "jailed" (I really don't want people to wander out of their area). > > There is not enough drive capacity to just > simply copy the material into the public FTP area. > > Due to the chroot "Jailed" option (DefaulRoot ~), > I cannot add a symlink to the material (will not work). > > To get around this, I manually made a duplicate mount point in the FTP > area to the new material. I issued the following: > (the default ftp document root dir is /home/ftp) > > mkdir /home/ftp/new-stuff > > mount --bind /var/for-ftp/new-stuff /home/ftp/new-stuff > > this works great. I log into the FTP as "anonymous", ls, cd into > new-stuff, everything is their, & I am happy :) > > So, to finish the job, I want to add this command to the system > start-up config, so this will always be available. > I added the following to my /etc/rc.d/rc.local (Slackware) file: > > mount --bind /var/for-ftp/new-stuff /home/ftp/new-stuff > > I reboot the box to make sure all is well, log into the FTP, cd into > new-stuff, nothing is their, & I am Sad :( > > I checked & checked & moved where the command loads in my rc.local, > but no good. When the systems boots, I can log in & manually issue > the command & it works again. > > What am I doing wrong? I cannot figure out why this command will not > work in my rc.local? > > Any ideas or pointers would be greatly appreciated. > > Many Thanks & Kind Regards, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Wed Mar 17 11:02:15 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mount command blues In-Reply-To: <4058823D.4020604@cleosci.com> References: <1097876742.20040317101720@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <4058823D.4020604@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <1376919932.20040317110215@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Wednesday, March 17, 2004 @ 11:01:03 AM Central Standard Time g> What about creating a soft link in the ftp root to the original material? g> ln -s g> I've used this technique numerous times myself with success. "DefaultRoot ~" option prevents this from working.... :( Thanks though.. Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mikepartyka at stonepath.com Wed Mar 17 10:48:04 2004 From: mikepartyka at stonepath.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Access USB 2.0 device Message-ID: <1079542083.2861.32.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> I have had a USB 2.0 hard drive device that i'd like to access under SuSE. My gateway laptop has USB 2.0 ports to access. When i run the mount command without the device plugged in, i see the following entry: usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) I would thing a plugable device like this has to be mounted somehow, but how? When i plug the device in it doesn't change, but if i try to mount usbdevfs, i get: mount: special device /usbdevfs does not exist Can anyone give me a pointer or two on either how to access or mount the device? Thanks, _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Wed Mar 17 11:39:53 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mount command blues In-Reply-To: <1079542257.2277.114.camel@unixws1> References: <1097876742.20040317101720@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <1079542257.2277.114.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <1925313162.20040317113953@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Wednesday, March 17, 2004 @ 11:03:57 AM Central Standard Time AM> What if you make it the last command that runs, and put a sleep 60 AM> right before it? Hey Thanks... The sleep command did the trick. There is a lot of stuff going on in the rc.local, I added a couple sleep 10s here & their, & a sleep 30s before the mount.... command Works well now.... Many Thanks, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 17 11:18:05 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Access a USB2.0 HD Message-ID: <1079543885.2861.35.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> I have had a USB 2.0 hard drive device that i'd like to access under SuSE. My gateway laptop has USB 2.0 ports to access. When i run the mount command without the device plugged in, i see the following entry: usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) I would thing a plugable device like this has to be mounted somehow, but how? When i plug the device in it doesn't change, but if i try to mount usbdevfs, i get: mount: special device /usbdevfs does not exist Can anyone give me a pointer or two on either how to access or mount the device? Thanks, _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 17 12:00:00 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mount command blues In-Reply-To: <1097876742.20040317101720@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1097876742.20040317101720@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <20040317180000.GA19763@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Mar 17 12:14:58 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Access USB 2.0 device In-Reply-To: <1079542083.2861.32.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of Mike Partyka > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:48 AM > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Access USB 2.0 device > > I have had a USB 2.0 hard drive device that i'd like to access under > SuSE. My gateway laptop has USB 2.0 ports to access. > > When i run the mount command without the device plugged in, i see the > following entry: > > usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) > > I would thing a plugable device like this has to be mounted somehow, but > how? When i plug the device in it doesn't change, but if i try to mount > usbdevfs, i get: > > mount: special device /usbdevfs does not exist > > Can anyone give me a pointer or two on either how to access or mount the > device? > The way I understand it, usbdevfs is a kernel module that provides support for file systems on USB devices (go figure!) So this is a sort of groundwork for your USB hard drive. The item you're actually going to mount (if it's like my thumb-drive in debian) will be /dev/sda. So then you need to edit your /etc/fstab and add an entry like: /dev/sda /mnt/usbhdd rw,noauto 0 0 I'm guessing that's not exactly right, but it should be close. So then you need to 'mkdir /mnt/usbhdd', plug in the device, figure out what modules you need to load if they don't autoload (check dmesg output to see what happens when you plug it in.) Then you should be able to 'mount /mnt/usbhdd' and be good to go from there. Anyone, please correct any incorrect statements I've made. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Mar 17 12:18:24 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Access a USB2.0 HD In-Reply-To: <1079543885.2861.35.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Message-ID: If you have no other scsi devices: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/udbthingy All the USB mass storage devices I have show up as scsi devices. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 17 12:23:40 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mount command blues In-Reply-To: <20040317180000.GA19763@wookimus.net> References: <1097876742.20040317101720@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <20040317180000.GA19763@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040317182340.GD19763@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Mar 17 12:32:45 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403171832.i2HIWj428873@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Cannon Bubblejet Printers I've got two Cannon BJ-10 printers here that are collecting dust. I believe they both work. I've got one sheet feeder for the two of them and several ink cartridges that may be empty but can be refilled easily enough. You can pick them up in the NW metro. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Andrew at azimmer.com Wed Mar 17 13:19:01 2004 From: Andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Access a USB2.0 HD Message-ID: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C915E@cilantro.AZimmer.local> You should be able to mount the drive with KDiskFree. KDiskFree should be installed with the default KDE installation. SUSE mounts it's drives under the /media folder. You can look at dmesg to see what device SUSE is using for the USB hard drive. dmesg will also let you know if SUSE has problems with the device. In the KDE desktop you can find it by: * Click the Salamander * Select System * Select File System * Click KDiskFree * Right click on the drive. The drive should be listed as /dev/sda0 or /dev/sda1. * Click mount Sorry, I do not know where it is listed under Gnome. You should be able to run 'kdf' from a shell. Andrew ________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org on behalf of Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Sent: Wed 3/17/2004 12:45 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Access a USB2.0 HD If you have no other scsi devices: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/udbthingy All the USB mass storage devices I have show up as scsi devices. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My gateway laptop has USB 2.0 ports to access. > > When i run the mount command without the device plugged in, i see the > following entry: > > usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) > > I would thing a plugable device like this has to be mounted somehow, but > how? When i plug the device in it doesn't change, but if i try to mount > usbdevfs, i get: > > mount: special device /usbdevfs does not exist > > Can anyone give me a pointer or two on either how to access or mount the > device? I found this site to be helpful when setting up a thumb drive on a gentoo system: http://www.greenfly.org/tips/usb_drive.html > > Thanks, > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 17 14:30:39 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Access a USB2.0 HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079555438.3567.21.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> NICE, i didn't realize it would show up as a SCSI device. I looked through the logs and found that it looks it recognized it as the following: Mar 17 14:23:07 coredump kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.7-2, assigned address 6 Mar 17 14:23:07 coredump kernel: WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured Mar 17 14:23:07 coredump kernel: USB Mass Storage device found at 6 Mar 17 14:23:10 coredump modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf.local is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.21-192-default/modules.dep Mar 17 14:23:10 coredump last message repeated 7 times And i tested by mounting to /mnt and it worked like a charm. I'm still shaky in my understanding of kernel modules and modules.conf, can anyone tell me if i should be worried about that last log entry? Thanks a bunch for all your suggestions! On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 12:18, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > If you have no other scsi devices: > > mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/udbthingy > > All the USB mass storage devices I have show up as scsi devices. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > A password is like your underwear; Change it > frequently, don't share it with others, and > don't ask to borrow someone else's. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bfriedman at exstream.com Wed Mar 17 16:04:50 2004 From: bfriedman at exstream.com (Brent Friedman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra 5 memory? Message-ID: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A1E6@rye.exstream.com> anyone know of a good (cheap) place to find memory for a sun ultra 5? I just inherited one with 64mb of ram, and the machine feels bad for itself that it can't remember very much at a time. Thanks, Brent Friedman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 17 16:12:57 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra 5 memory? In-Reply-To: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A1E6@rye.exstream.com> References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A1E6@rye.exstream.com> Message-ID: <1079561576.2277.197.camel@unixws1> www.unixmemory.com - they are a customer, I don't know how they compare price-wise but I've purchased Sun memory and processors from them in the past. If you wanted to do business with a local company. On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 16:04, Brent Friedman wrote: > anyone know of a good (cheap) place to find memory for a sun ultra 5? I just inherited one with 64mb of ram, and the machine feels bad for itself that it can't remember very much at a time. > > Thanks, > > Brent Friedman > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mikepartyka at stonepath.com Wed Mar 17 16:08:28 2004 From: mikepartyka at stonepath.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution message sorting Message-ID: <1079561308.3523.56.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Hello, Having been using Evolution for the last two weeks and successfully getting my Outlook .pst's imported i am feeling pretty good about the switch. BUT. . .I have the most recent version via red-carpet and can say the message sorting ability is just about useless. I resort the list by date most often and get messages from days ago or hours ago poping up to the top. Anyone else experience this maddening behavior? Know of a way to correct this? I have been through the FAQ's and online support guides one Ximian.com but can't find anything about this. Thanks, _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Mar 17 16:59:58 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra 5 memory? In-Reply-To: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A1E6@rye.exstream.com>; from bfriedman@exstream.com on Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 05:04:50PM -0500 References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A1E6@rye.exstream.com> Message-ID: <20040317165958.A3644@thinkunix.net> Brent Friedman wrote: > anyone know of a good (cheap) place to find memory for a sun ultra 5? I just inherited one with 64mb of ram, and the machine feels bad for itself that it can't remember very much at a time. ebay? shipping should be cheap -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 17 17:32:16 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra 5 memory? In-Reply-To: <1079561576.2277.197.camel@unixws1> References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A1E6@rye.exstream.com> <1079561576.2277.197.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040317233216.GG19763@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Mar 17 17:31:30 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040317173130.6f928def.sfertch@real-time.com> I could use a monitor as well. If a 17" Dell or other is available I'll take one of those, if not, next size down will work. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Mar 17 17:38:09 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution message sorting In-Reply-To: <1079561308.3523.56.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> References: <1079561308.3523.56.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Message-ID: <1079566688.2277.219.camel@unixws1> Sort by date is sorting by the date/time/timezone from the sender's mailclient. Pine (and probably others) had Sort by Arrival - that is, time based on when the message arrived in your mailbox. Sort by arrival is generally more accurate from your viewpoint. I've been using evolution for a few months now too, and that was one of the first things I've noticed. But I never cared enough to look at it much. I didn't see any way to do this at first glance, but I never looked very hard. I'd be interested if you found a setting somewhere... On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 16:08, Mike Partyka wrote: > Hello, > > Having been using Evolution for the last two weeks and successfully > getting my Outlook .pst's imported i am feeling pretty good about the > switch. > > BUT. . .I have the most recent version via red-carpet and can say the > message sorting ability is just about useless. I resort the list by date > most often and get messages from days ago or hours ago poping up to the > top. Anyone else experience this maddening behavior? Know of a way to > correct this? I have been through the FAQ's and online support guides > one Ximian.com but can't find anything about this. > > Thanks, > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Wed Mar 17 21:29:38 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution message sorting In-Reply-To: <1079566688.2277.219.camel@unixws1> References: <1079561308.3523.56.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <1079566688.2277.219.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <1079580579.15544.17.camel@chays.dyndns.org> On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 17:38, Adam Maloney wrote: > Sort by date is sorting by the date/time/timezone from the sender's > mailclient. > > Pine (and probably others) had Sort by Arrival - that is, time based on > when the message arrived in your mailbox. Sort by arrival is generally > more accurate from your viewpoint. > > I've been using evolution for a few months now too, and that was one of > the first things I've noticed. But I never cared enough to look at it > much. I didn't see any way to do this at first glance, but I never > looked very hard. I'd be interested if you found a setting somewhere... > > Right click on the column headings (such as from/subject/sent) and pick "add column". You can then add received to your columns. This sorts by arrival time like you can do in pine. Sent is like you said, when the sender "sent" it according to their clock. I get messages with a date of Jan 1 1970, or 2017 sometimes, they seem to come from poorly managed mail servers of some sort or another. Hope that helps. -Chuck Hays lists@chuckhays.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Wed Mar 17 22:31:13 2004 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: What's in an "update" was Re: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <40566003.709EE00C@ppdonline.com> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks> <40566003.709EE00C@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <200403172231.13750@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 15 March 2004 08:01 pm, Ben Bargabus wrote: > I'm running an old Windows NT 4.0 box and according to the task manager > my system has been running for 3877:46:19. That puts my last reboot > back around October 6th or so and I seem to remember that corresponding > with a power outage at my house (I don't care what OS you run, without a > battery room or GenSet you're not running without electricity). I know > everyone's favorite sport on this list is bashing Microsoft products but > I'm living proof that Windows can run for extended periods of time > reliably. What does this box do? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Wed Mar 17 22:32:30 2004 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <20040316125200.A10245@thinkunix.net> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <20040316113250.A16983@real-time.com> <20040316125200.A10245@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <200403172232.30166@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 16 March 2004 12:52 pm, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > The longest I've seen was a fileserver that had been running for 1056 > > days. (yes, it was behind a firewall; and no, the company wasn't paying > > for our security update service on it). Amazingly enough, it didn't even > > have a UPS on it. > > I have to ask, what OS? I think either redhat 6.0 or redhat 6.2, can't remember. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Thu Mar 18 01:00:48 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution message sorting In-Reply-To: <1079580579.15544.17.camel@chays.dyndns.org> References: <1079561308.3523.56.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> <1079566688.2277.219.camel@unixws1> <1079580579.15544.17.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1079593247.2750.4.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Chuck, great tip! I added the column and WALA! All messages now sort just as they should. I guess that's something i should have considered but being an Outlook user for many years it's easy to take so much for granted. Thanks Again! On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 21:29, Chuck Hays wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 17:38, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Sort by date is sorting by the date/time/timezone from the sender's > > mailclient. > > > > Pine (and probably others) had Sort by Arrival - that is, time based on > > when the message arrived in your mailbox. Sort by arrival is generally > > more accurate from your viewpoint. > > > > I've been using evolution for a few months now too, and that was one of > > the first things I've noticed. But I never cared enough to look at it > > much. I didn't see any way to do this at first glance, but I never > > looked very hard. I'd be interested if you found a setting somewhere... > > > > > > Right click on the column headings (such as from/subject/sent) and pick > "add column". You can then add received to your columns. This sorts by > arrival time like you can do in pine. > > Sent is like you said, when the sender "sent" it according to their > clock. I get messages with a date of Jan 1 1970, or 2017 sometimes, > they seem to come from poorly managed mail servers of some sort or > another. > > Hope that helps. > > -Chuck Hays > lists@chuckhays.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Mar 18 08:03:01 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra 5 memory? In-Reply-To: <20040317233216.GG19763@wookimus.net> References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A1E6@rye.exstream.com> <1079561576.2277.197.camel@unixws1> <20040317233216.GG19763@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1079618577.10622.4.camel@unixws1> You've never bought Cisco RAM then? > It sucks compared to today's PC memory prices. $200 for 128MB of RAM. > EGADS! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 18 08:31:34 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra 5 memory? In-Reply-To: <1079618577.10622.4.camel@unixws1> References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A1E6@rye.exstream.com> <1079561576.2277.197.camel@unixws1> <20040317233216.GG19763@wookimus.net> <1079618577.10622.4.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > You've never bought Cisco RAM then? Well, Cisco memory usually *is* PC memory. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Mar 18 09:03:12 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra 5 memory? In-Reply-To: References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A1E6@rye.exstream.com> <1079561576.2277.197.camel@unixws1> <20040317233216.GG19763@wookimus.net> <1079618577.10622.4.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <1079622190.10622.40.camel@unixws1> Let me clarify - "cisco certified" memory a.k.a., SmartNet Approved I have heard numerous times on other lists that your TAC contract is worthless if you have any non-cisco certified memory in your gear. That's the quickest way for them to get you off the phone and close the case. IIRC, Compaq (not that I own any of that) does the same thing. Compaq Certified RAM is extremely expensive, and they don't have to support you if you aren't putting blessed compaq memory in. $1000 for 128MB of cisco memory is not unheard of. And 128MB is getting iffy for a full routing table today (I have 256MB in each box in the core). In fact, just for "shock and awe" value, I found this "deal" on-line: 512MB (2-256MB Modules) For NPE-G1 In 7200 Cisco Approved - $3600 Nate - you probably remember the fiasco with getting the rackmount kits for the 2500's and AS5300's a number of years ago? $50 (or was it $150?) plus shipping for 2 metal brackets and 4 screws... On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 08:31, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > > You've never bought Cisco RAM then? > > Well, Cisco memory usually *is* PC memory. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Thu Mar 18 09:18:57 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <200403172232.30166@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>; from tanner@mn-linux.org on Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 10:32:30PM -0600 References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <20040316113250.A16983@real-time.com> <20040316125200.A10245@thinkunix.net> <200403172232.30166@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20040318091857.A657@real-time.com> On 03/17 10:32 , Bob Tanner wrote: > On Tuesday 16 March 2004 12:52 pm, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > The longest I've seen was a fileserver that had been running for 1056 > > > days. (yes, it was behind a firewall; and no, the company wasn't paying > > > for our security update service on it). Amazingly enough, it didn't even > > > have a UPS on it. > > > > I have to ask, what OS? > > I think either redhat 6.0 or redhat 6.2, can't remember. RH 6.0 of course the jiffy counter had wrapped a couple of times, but you could still verify the boot time by looking at the timestamp on the /var/log/dmesg file. Linux 2.6 has *finally* gotten a 64-bit jiffy counter; so we can more readily compare our uptime to the FreeBSD folks. This is one of the points where FreeBSD was clearly superior to Linux. It's good to see we now have a bit more bragging-rights parity. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jim at herrick.net Thu Mar 18 09:49:50 2004 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: What's in an "update" was Re: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com><00b401c40aeb$6a294b60$0300000a@net.tsinks><40566003.709EE00C@ppdonline.com> <200403172231.13750@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <004101c40d00$a7b3dc40$6501a8c0@homer> Also, keep in mind that the "System Idle Process" keeps track of all idle time for *all* processors. We have a Dual Pentium 4 Xeon machine at work with hyper-threading. So with the four "virtual" processors, it actually shows 4 times what you think it would... Jim ----- If you can read this, thank a teacher.... If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier! ----- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 5:31 AM Subject: What's in an "update" was Re: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? > On Monday 15 March 2004 08:01 pm, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > I'm running an old Windows NT 4.0 box and according to the task manager > > my system has been running for 3877:46:19. That puts my last reboot > > back around October 6th or so and I seem to remember that corresponding > > with a power outage at my house (I don't care what OS you run, without a > > battery room or GenSet you're not running without electricity). I know > > everyone's favorite sport on this list is bashing Microsoft products but > > I'm living proof that Windows can run for extended periods of time > > reliably. > > What does this box do? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 18 09:31:32 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra 5 memory? In-Reply-To: <1079622190.10622.40.camel@unixws1> References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A1E6@rye.exstream.com> <1079561576.2277.197.camel@unixws1> <20040317233216.GG19763@wookimus.net> <1079618577.10622.4.camel@unixws1> <1079622190.10622.40.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > Let me clarify - "cisco certified" memory a.k.a., SmartNet Approved They do have an approved vendor list - at least they used to: http://www.bradreese.com/cisco-oem-memory-approved-vendor-list.htm http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/417/49.html > I have heard numerous times on other lists that your TAC contract is > worthless if you have any non-cisco certified memory in your gear. > That's the quickest way for them to get you off the phone and close the > case. I generally buy memory from Crucial (which sells true Micron memory); haven't ever had TAC bother me about it - of course, they have never asked. :) > $1000 for 128MB of cisco memory is not unheard of. And 128MB is getting > iffy for a full routing table today (I have 256MB in each box in the > core). Yeah, that's about what it cost for a 128mb module 3-4 years back. Eesh. > In fact, just for "shock and awe" value, I found this "deal" on-line: > > 512MB (2-256MB Modules) For NPE-G1 In 7200 Cisco Approved - $3600 That's just a steal! :) > Nate - you probably remember the fiasco with getting the rackmount kits > for the 2500's and AS5300's a number of years ago? $50 (or was it > $150?) plus shipping for 2 metal brackets and 4 screws... I've never had problems with rackears with the lower-end routers, but I have gotten quotes for hundreds of dollars for the larger routers (3xxx's, 7200's); thank God for rackears.com and/or eBay. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Mar 18 10:04:11 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <20040318091857.A657@real-time.com> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <20040316113250.A16983@real-time.com> <20040316125200.A10245@thinkunix.net> <200403172232.30166@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20040318091857.A657@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1079625850.10622.60.camel@unixws1> > Linux 2.6 has *finally* gotten a 64-bit jiffy counter; so we can more > readily compare our uptime to the FreeBSD folks. This is one of the points > where FreeBSD was clearly superior to Linux. It's good to see we now have > a bit more bragging-rights parity. :) cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base && make install Best of both worlds...FreeBSD and Opera^H^H^H^HLinux :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Mar 18 10:14:34 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra 5 memory? In-Reply-To: References: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D80166A1E6@rye.exstream.com> <1079561576.2277.197.camel@unixws1> <20040317233216.GG19763@wookimus.net> <1079618577.10622.4.camel@unixws1> <1079622190.10622.40.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <1079626473.10622.69.camel@unixws1> > I generally buy memory from Crucial (which sells true Micron memory); > haven't ever had TAC bother me about it - of course, they have never > asked. :) I think they really only care if it's stuff like "my router is crashing mysteriously", (which is usually a memory leak in PPP), and they will always attribute it to RAM first. I've never been asked, but all of my TAC cases have always been obvious software issues (could it be this custom 12.2-T image, that's still warm from compiling? Nah...) > > $1000 for 128MB of cisco memory is not unheard of. And 128MB is getting > > iffy for a full routing table today (I have 256MB in each box in the > > core). > > Yeah, that's about what it cost for a 128mb module 3-4 years back. Eesh. Still looks to be the price now - 2nd result on google listed a 128MB Cisco Approved for 7206 at $999 I fortunately haven't had to buy 7200 memory in a couple of years. It hurts to think about. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 18 10:23:58 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <1079625850.10622.60.camel@unixws1> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <20040316113250.A16983@real-time.com> <20040316125200.A10245@thinkunix.net> <200403172232.30166@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20040318091857.A657@real-time.com> <1079625850.10622.60.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base && make install oh yeah? apt-get -y install freebase_emul hah! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Thu Mar 18 10:27:58 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <1079625850.10622.60.camel@unixws1>; from adamm@sihope.com on Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 10:04:11AM -0600 References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <20040316113250.A16983@real-time.com> <20040316125200.A10245@thinkunix.net> <200403172232.30166@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20040318091857.A657@real-time.com> <1079625850.10622.60.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040318102758.A17764@real-time.com> On 03/18 10:04 , Adam Maloney wrote: > > > cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base && make install > > Best of both worlds...FreeBSD and Opera^H^H^H^HLinux :) > > Well, once the Debian FreeBSD project gets well established, then maybe we'll have the best of both worlds. ;) Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bwilinski at iexposure.com Thu Mar 18 10:44:06 2004 From: bwilinski at iexposure.com (Ben Wilinski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200403181044.06670.bwilinski@iexposure.com> Am I too late for one of the 19"s and a couple 17"s? Ben On Tuesday 16 March 2004 10:04 pm, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: several 15, 17, 19 inch Monitors for sale > > I have several 17" monitors, mostly Trinitron tubes, most of them Dell > branded. They have been tested. $15 each. > > I also have a few 15" monitors, $10 each. > > I also have a few Sun 19" monitors, tested, $20 each. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Wilinski Associate Systems Administrator bwilinski@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x34 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Mar 18 10:46:41 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <20040316113250.A16983@real-time.com> <20040316125200.A10245@thinkunix.net> <200403172232.30166@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20040318091857.A657@real-time.com> <1079625850.10622.60.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <1079628399.10622.78.camel@unixws1> Cool! I didn't know Linux had FreeBSD compat (though I've never looked). This unixy stuff is neat. On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 10:23, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > > cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base && make install > > oh yeah? > > apt-get -y install freebase_emul > > hah! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markdeb.browne at comcast.net Wed Mar 17 19:03:00 2004 From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad References: <200403170404.i2H44er21212@crusader.real-time.com> <1079539886.5016.0.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <006101c40c84$c28aa8e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Sievert" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad > What are the Sun monitors, might be willing to pick up 2. > > Jason > Fixed frequency, odd connector. Forms a great image if you can drive them. Mark Browne _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drew at usfamily.net Thu Mar 18 11:38:42 2004 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache help Message-ID: <000c01c40d0f$dd284190$d320140a@qlogic.org> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Thu Mar 18 12:13:36 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD5274F6@owa.compellent.com> Certain video cards can't even supply the right frequency. Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mark Browne Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:03 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Sievert" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad > What are the Sun monitors, might be willing to pick up 2. > > Jason > Fixed frequency, odd connector. Forms a great image if you can drive them. Mark Browne _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.598 / Virus Database: 380 - Release Date: 2/28/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.598 / Virus Database: 380 - Release Date: 2/28/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 18 12:16:18 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm, uptime? In-Reply-To: <1079628399.10622.78.camel@unixws1> References: <20040315234649.GM25320@real-time.com> <20040316113250.A16983@real-time.com> <20040316125200.A10245@thinkunix.net> <200403172232.30166@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20040318091857.A657@real-time.com> <1079625850.10622.60.camel@unixws1> <1079628399.10622.78.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: > Cool! I didn't know Linux had FreeBSD compat (though I've never > looked). > > This unixy stuff is neat. Er, that was supposed to be freebsd, not freebase (doh!) and it was actually a joke. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Mar 18 12:26:22 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nic dead after debian security updates Message-ID: Hello all, I updated debian on my laptop with the dselect security updates, now my 3com network card isn't working. ifup eth0 doesn't do it. Any ideas? It seems the security update killed my network connection. Several dozen packages were updated. Is there a simple tool thatt I can run to install my card again? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Mar 18 12:49:32 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache help In-Reply-To: <000c01c40d0f$dd284190$d320140a@qlogic.org> References: <000c01c40d0f$dd284190$d320140a@qlogic.org> Message-ID: <1079635770.10622.88.camel@unixws1> Check your UserDir definition in the config. See if it has a trailing slash after the directory, and if not, try adding it. (Not sure if this will solve the problem, just a guess) So if you currently have: UserDir public_html Make it: UserDir public_html/ On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 11:38, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I dont think that this a very compilcated question but I just can't > seem to be able to figure this out. > What do I have to do in the httpd.conf file to have the server forward > to my user directories with out a trailing "/" > For example when I enter > > http://ipaddresshere/~drew I get a "This page cannot be displayed" > > however when I enter > > http://ipaddresshere/~drew/ <--notice the trailing / > > it goes to the user directory and brings up the appropriate website. > > To recap, my question is; How do I make it so that I don't have to put > the trailing / after the user name? > > Thanks > > Andrew Nemchenko > http://www.qlogic.com > > > > ------ USFamily.Net - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Mar 18 13:04:31 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nic dead after debian security updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040318190431.GF3986@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Thu Mar 18 14:26:05 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache help In-Reply-To: <000c01c40d0f$dd284190$d320140a@qlogic.org> References: <000c01c40d0f$dd284190$d320140a@qlogic.org> Message-ID: <20040318202605.GA84730@nan2d.com> Strange. What Apache version are you working with? THis is what my mod_userdir.c setup looks like (Apache 1.3.29/Unix): UserDir pub AllowOverride All Options Indexes FollowSymLinks An Apache2 config will look different. On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 11:38:42AM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > I dont think that this a very compilcated question but I just can't seem to be able to figure this out. > What do I have to do in the httpd.conf file to have the server forward to my user directories with out a trailing "/" > For example when I enter > > http://ipaddresshere/~drew I get a "This page cannot be displayed" > > however when I enter > > http://ipaddresshere/~drew/ <--notice the trailing / > > it goes to the user directory and brings up the appropriate website. > > To recap, my question is; How do I make it so that I don't have to put the trailing / after the user name? > > Thanks > > Andrew Nemchenko > http://www.qlogic.com > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 18 14:26:09 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nic dead after debian security updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, PHPTOm wrote: > I updated debian on my laptop with the dselect security updates, now my > 3com network card isn't working. ifup eth0 doesn't do it. Any ideas? > It seems the security update killed my network connection. Several > dozen packages were updated. Is there a simple tool thatt I can run to > install my card again? Is this PCMCIA or on-board? If it's an onboard nic, is the driver (probably 3c59x) in /etc/modules? If you upgraded from a 2.2 to a 2.4 kernel, it may be missing the required driver. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Thu Mar 18 14:34:39 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nic dead after debian security updates Message-ID: modprobe 3c59x for a temporary driver load. Make sure this works first. Use modconf for a permanent driver load. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: PHPTOm [mailto:phptom@wordesign.net] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:26 PM To: Tclug-List@Mn-Linux. Org Subject: [TCLUG] nic dead after debian security updates Hello all, I updated debian on my laptop with the dselect security updates, now my 3com network card isn't working. ifup eth0 doesn't do it. Any ideas? It seems the security update killed my network connection. Several dozen packages were updated. Is there a simple tool thatt I can run to install my card again? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ston0235 at umn.edu Thu Mar 18 14:46:52 2004 From: ston0235 at umn.edu (Ian Stoner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache help In-Reply-To: <000c01c40d0f$dd284190$d320140a@qlogic.org> References: <000c01c40d0f$dd284190$d320140a@qlogic.org> Message-ID: <20040318144652.6535bdc9.ston0235@umn.edu> > What do I have to do in the httpd.conf file to have the server forward > to my user directories with out a trailing "/" For example when I > enter > > http://ipaddresshere/~drew I get a "This page cannot be displayed" Is your hostname set on the system? The first time I set up apache, I did not have my hostname set, and I had this problem. Without the hostname, apache doesn't know where to send the slash-appended requests. -- Ian Stoner Philosophy Department University of Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drew at usfamily.net Thu Mar 18 15:55:19 2004 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache help References: <000c01c40d0f$dd284190$d320140a@qlogic.org> <20040318202605.GA84730@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <015801c40d33$bdfcc8d0$d320140a@qlogic.org> This is what I have in my apache httpd.conf #UserDir public_html UserDir /home/*/web putting a slash after UserDir public_html/ or UserDir /home/*/web/ does not seem to be doing anything. Also the machines hostname is setup, I was having other problems untill I set it. I also have the server name set as serverName *:80 which seems to be working fine. I can't think of anything else that I could use to make the need for / go away. Andrew Nemchenko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrei Bazhgin" To: Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Apache help > Strange. What Apache version are you working with? > > THis is what my mod_userdir.c setup looks like (Apache 1.3.29/Unix): > > > UserDir pub > > > > AllowOverride All > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks > > > An Apache2 config will look different. > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 11:38:42AM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > I dont think that this a very compilcated question but I just can't seem to be able to figure this out. > > What do I have to do in the httpd.conf file to have the server forward to my user directories with out a trailing "/" > > For example when I enter > > > > http://ipaddresshere/~drew I get a "This page cannot be displayed" > > > > however when I enter > > > > http://ipaddresshere/~drew/ <--notice the trailing / > > > > it goes to the user directory and brings up the appropriate website. > > > > To recap, my question is; How do I make it so that I don't have to put the trailing / after the user name? > > > > Thanks > > > > Andrew Nemchenko > > http://www.qlogic.com > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Andrei Bazhgin > www.nan2d.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Thu Mar 18 16:36:06 2004 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Gregory Siems) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache help In-Reply-To: <015801c40d33$bdfcc8d0$d320140a@qlogic.org> References: <000c01c40d0f$dd284190$d320140a@qlogic.org> <20040318202605.GA84730@nan2d.com> <015801c40d33$bdfcc8d0$d320140a@qlogic.org> Message-ID: <1079649366.2622.31.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> ScriptAlias?? i.e. ScriptAlias /foo/bar/baz /foo/bar/baz/ On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 15:55, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > This is what I have in my apache httpd.conf > > #UserDir public_html > UserDir /home/*/web > > > putting a slash after UserDir public_html/ > or UserDir /home/*/web/ > does not seem to be doing anything. > Also the machines hostname is setup, I was having other problems untill I > set it. > I also have the server name set as serverName *:80 which seems to be working > fine. > I can't think of anything else that I could use to make the need for / go > away. > Andrew Nemchenko > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrei Bazhgin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Apache help > > > > Strange. What Apache version are you working with? > > > > THis is what my mod_userdir.c setup looks like (Apache 1.3.29/Unix): > > > > > > UserDir pub > > > > > > > > AllowOverride All > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks > > > > > > An Apache2 config will look different. > > > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 11:38:42AM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > I dont think that this a very compilcated question but I just can't seem > to be able to figure this out. > > > What do I have to do in the httpd.conf file to have the server forward > to my user directories with out a trailing "/" > > > For example when I enter > > > > > > http://ipaddresshere/~drew I get a "This page cannot be displayed" > > > > > > however when I enter > > > > > > http://ipaddresshere/~drew/ <--notice the trailing / > > > > > > it goes to the user directory and brings up the appropriate website. > > > > > > To recap, my question is; How do I make it so that I don't have to put > the trailing / after the user name? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Andrew Nemchenko > > > http://www.qlogic.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Andrei Bazhgin > > www.nan2d.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Mar 18 17:38:26 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nic dead after debian security updates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: PCMCIA card. > On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, PHPTOm wrote: > > I updated debian on my laptop with the dselect security updates, now my > > 3com network card isn't working. ifup eth0 doesn't do it. Any ideas? > > It seems the security update killed my network connection. Several > > dozen packages were updated. Is there a simple tool thatt I can run to > > install my card again? > > Is this PCMCIA or on-board? > > If it's an onboard nic, is the driver (probably 3c59x) in > /etc/modules? If > you upgraded from a 2.2 to a 2.4 kernel, it may be missing the required > driver. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at MarkCourtney.com Thu Mar 18 18:11:21 2004 From: tclug at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache help Message-ID: <32830.192.168.2.218.1079655081.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> mod_rewrite will allow you to to accomplish this. http://domain/dir == http://domain/dir/ mod_rewrite can also do http://domain/file == http://domain/file.ext There are docs on http://www.apache.org for mod_rewrite. Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ > This is what I have in my apache httpd.conf > > #UserDir public_html > UserDir /home/*/web > > > putting a slash after UserDir public_html/ > or UserDir /home/*/web/ > does not seem to be doing anything. > Also the machines hostname is setup, I was having other problems untill I set it. > I also have the server name set as serverName *:80 which seems to be working > fine. > I can't think of anything else that I could use to make the need for / go away. > Andrew Nemchenko > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrei Bazhgin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Apache help > > >> Strange. What Apache version are you working with? >> >> THis is what my mod_userdir.c setup looks like (Apache 1.3.29/Unix): >> >> >> UserDir pub >> >> >> >> AllowOverride All >> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks >> >> >> An Apache2 config will look different. >> >> On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 11:38:42AM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >> > I dont think that this a very compilcated question but I just can't >> seem > to be able to figure this out. >> > What do I have to do in the httpd.conf file to have the server forward > to my user directories with out a trailing "/" >> > For example when I enter >> > >> > http://ipaddresshere/~drew I get a "This page cannot be displayed" >> > >> > however when I enter >> > >> > http://ipaddresshere/~drew/ <--notice the trailing / >> > >> > it goes to the user directory and brings up the appropriate website. >> > >> > To recap, my question is; How do I make it so that I don't have to put > the trailing / after the user name? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Andrew Nemchenko >> > http://www.qlogic.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Thu Mar 18 19:03:58 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache help In-Reply-To: <32830.192.168.2.218.1079655081.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <32830.192.168.2.218.1079655081.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20040319010358.GA3269@nan2d.com> mod_rewrite is not needed for this, it is too trivial using the built-in modules in Apache ;) I would laugh at anyone using somthing like mod_rewrite for somthing like username to userspace lookups. On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 06:11:21PM -0600, Mark Courtney wrote: > > mod_rewrite will allow you to to accomplish this. > http://domain/dir == http://domain/dir/ > > mod_rewrite can also do > http://domain/file == http://domain/file.ext > > There are docs on http://www.apache.org for mod_rewrite. > > > > Mark Courtney > > http://www.MarkCourtney.com -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Thu Mar 18 19:00:23 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache help In-Reply-To: <015801c40d33$bdfcc8d0$d320140a@qlogic.org> References: <000c01c40d0f$dd284190$d320140a@qlogic.org> <20040318202605.GA84730@nan2d.com> <015801c40d33$bdfcc8d0$d320140a@qlogic.org> Message-ID: <20040319010023.GA3106@nan2d.com> There is your problem. Read http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_userdir.html#userdir Try setting it to just `web': UserDir web On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 03:55:19PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > This is what I have in my apache httpd.conf > > #UserDir public_html > UserDir /home/*/web > > > putting a slash after UserDir public_html/ > or UserDir /home/*/web/ > does not seem to be doing anything. > Also the machines hostname is setup, I was having other problems untill I > set it. > I also have the server name set as serverName *:80 which seems to be working > fine. > I can't think of anything else that I could use to make the need for / go > away. > Andrew Nemchenko > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrei Bazhgin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Apache help > > > > Strange. What Apache version are you working with? > > > > THis is what my mod_userdir.c setup looks like (Apache 1.3.29/Unix): > > > > > > UserDir pub > > > > > > > > AllowOverride All > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks > > > > > > An Apache2 config will look different. > > > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 11:38:42AM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > > I dont think that this a very compilcated question but I just can't seem > to be able to figure this out. > > > What do I have to do in the httpd.conf file to have the server forward > to my user directories with out a trailing "/" > > > For example when I enter > > > > > > http://ipaddresshere/~drew I get a "This page cannot be displayed" > > > > > > however when I enter > > > > > > http://ipaddresshere/~drew/ <--notice the trailing / > > > > > > it goes to the user directory and brings up the appropriate website. > > > > > > To recap, my question is; How do I make it so that I don't have to put > the trailing / after the user name? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Andrew Nemchenko > > > http://www.qlogic.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From > $8.99/mo! ------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Andrei Bazhgin > > www.nan2d.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Andrei Bazhgin www.nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Mar 18 21:07:24 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nic dead after debian security updates References: <20040318190431.GF3986@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200403190307.i2J37OR18082@ecstasy1.winternet.com> On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 12:26:22PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: > I updated debian on my laptop with the dselect security updates, now > my 3com network card isn't working. ifup eth0 doesn't do it. Any > ideas? It seems the security update killed my network connection. > Several dozen packages were updated. Is there a simple tool that I > can run to install my card again? As I recall there was a PCMCIA/networking related module upgrade that requires a corresponding kernel upgrade to work. Be sure to do both at the same time, otherwise networking won't work at the very least. There is a WARNING in this upgrade that the kernel needs to be upgraded as well, but it isn't very clear on what will break if the kernel isn't upgraded. However, I don't think this was a security upgrade. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john4293 at tc.umn.edu Fri Mar 19 12:38:52 2004 From: john4293 at tc.umn.edu (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN options? Message-ID: <20040319123852.5eb0c0cf.john4293@tc.umn.edu> i recently picked up a wireless AP and I've been trying to set it up on my network as securely as possible. i've got it on it's own interface from my gateway which is pretty much isolated from everything else. i'd like to (eventually) set it up to allow network access only through a VPN but I'm not completely sure what my choices are as far as VPNs go. PPTP is easy enough to set up, and allows easy access to linux & windows clients, but AFAIK it's not a very secure solution. IPSEC would seem to be a more secure choice, but the inter-OS compatibility seems limited and it seems nearly impossible to get running. do i have any other options for VPNs which are secure, and allow for at least decent compatibility? I'm using Slackware 9 on the gateway and any potential clients. I appreciate any input as i'd like to be doing something with this AP other than having it sit there blocked off from almost everything. Thomas Johnson -------------- john4293 at umn dot edu -------------- * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. * there is little truth in men but much cunning. -peter the great _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Mar 18 22:42:56 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403190442.i2J4guh18734@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: SGI Indy I have 2 SGI Indy's if anyone would like them. They both boot, have 2 scsi hard drives each. 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I mounted my Linux root partition r/w from OpenBSD, did not write anything and immediately unmounted it. Then I tried to mount it again from a "permanent" mount point, but got an I/O Error. Next, I rebooted the Sparc from OpenBSD 3.4 to SuSE GNU/Linux 7.3. Or so thought I was going to do. SILO worked fine, but it couldn't find /etc/silo.conf (boot entries). Tried to boot by manually entering the kernel path, but no dice. I booted into rescue mode and did an fsck on the root filesystem, and the first major problem is _no_ root directory and not surprising no lost+found for fsck to put the remnants of the root filesystem. There's over a dozen inodes with bad counts, etc. It turns out the damage wasn't too bad. Just had to move all the orphan directories from lost+found into the new root directory and rename them from their inode based name back to their original names such as bin. lib, etc, ,,. After the simple repair, SuSE GNU/Linux 7.3 boots fine from SILO on the hard drive again. What probably caused this problem: On Sparc at least, Linux will create partitions of non-integral cylinder size. OpenBSD insists on partitions that are aligned on cylinder boundaries. I used Linux to create the disk's partition table and adjusted the partitions to be used by OpenBSD to be cylinder aligned, wasting a few sectors. I forgot that SuSE's root partition wasn't cylinder aligned like OpenBSD likes. My guess is the partition alignment or simply mounting r/w was the problem. Next, I'll try to test OpenBSD ext2fs on an ext2 partition that I don't care if I lose. One other note about OpenBSD: The installer insists on using the first partition (sd0a = sda1) on the drive as root and the second partition (sd0b = sda2) on the drive as swap. I couldn't see an easy way around this limitation. After installation, it shouldn't be hard to move root and swap to other partitions so long as root stays within the Sun OBP booting limit of 1GB. (Newer OBP may not be quite so limiting.) Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Mar 19 03:09:11 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN options? References: <20040319123852.5eb0c0cf.john4293@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <000401c40d91$d80d5d30$0201a8c0@brinstar> Thomas Johnson writes: > i'd like to (eventually) set it up to allow network > access only through a VPN but I'm not completely sure what my choices > are as far as VPNs go. PPTP is easy enough to set up, and allows easy > access to linux & windows clients, but AFAIK it's not a very secure > solution. IPSEC would seem to be a more secure choice, but the > inter-OS compatibility seems limited and it seems nearly impossible > to get running. The only thing I have been able to find about IPsec being more secure than PPTP is that PPTP is supposedly vulnerable to dictionary attacks, which is a problem if users choose weak passwords (perhaps combined with insecure authentication methods?). PPTP isn't insecure like WEP. It is simply less secure than IPsec, similar to how DES is less secure than AES. As far as I know, there aren't any insecurities allowing it to be easily cracked, assuming a secure authentication method is used (MS-CHAPv2, for example). PPTP has several major advantages over IPsec: - available now - well supported on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux - works over NAT - supports protocols besides IP -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Mar 19 08:50:06 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN options? In-Reply-To: <20040319123852.5eb0c0cf.john4293@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Johnson > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 12:39 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] VPN options? > > do i have any other options for VPNs which are secure, and allow for at > least decent compatibility? I'm using Slackware 9 on the gateway and any > potential clients. I appreciate any input as i'd like to be doing > something with this AP other than having it sit there blocked off from > almost everything. Check out OpenVPN, (http://openvpn.sourceforge.net) it includes instructions on connecting to Windows and Linux/BSD/Solaris/Mac, and is apparently straight-forward to set up. John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spidey at beetlejuice.org Thu Mar 18 15:32:47 2004 From: spidey at beetlejuice.org (Pete Wilkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unreal Tournament 2004 is out! Message-ID: <405A157F.7090102@beetlejuice.org> Hey guys, just wanted to pass on that Unreal Tournament 2004 just came out! And now they "finally" listed Linux as a supported OS right on the box (there is even an image of Tux on the back)!!! This is a awsome, huge game (6-CD's), and completely designed to be moded! Also all UT 2003 mods currently finished or in development, are 100% compatable wth UT 2004!! Not only that but all mods made in Windozz for UT 2003/2004 are 100% compatable, and run native (and vice-versa) with the Linux version of the game (suffice that the coders payed attention to their "caps", since Linux is case-sensative). Red Orchestra (an UT 2003/2004 mod) is probably the the best game I have played in a long time. It is fast paced, little addicting, and extremely fun once you get the hang of the objectives in each map (level). Here's there homepage: http://www.unrealwarfarex.com/redorchestra/index.html Also here are some links to other UT Mods that offer Linux binaries!! Star Wars: http://www.ut2003troopers.com/ Jungle Warfare: http://www.junglewarfare.jolt.co.uk/ SAS: http://www.sas.jolt.co.uk/ http://sas.jolt.co.uk/?page=&action=show&id=6530 Well, good luck if you decide to start playing around with Linux games!!! And maybe I'll see you online! -Beetlejuice _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Thu Mar 18 16:39:13 2004 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache help In-Reply-To: <015801c40d33$bdfcc8d0$d320140a@qlogic.org> References: <000c01c40d0f$dd284190$d320140a@qlogic.org><20040318202605.GA84730@nan2d.com> <015801c40d33$bdfcc8d0$d320140a@qlogic.org> Message-ID: <35377.12.129.97.254.1079649553.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> mod_rewrite will allow you to to accomplish this. http://domain/dir == http://domain/dir/ mod_rewrite can also do http://domain/file == http://domain/file.ext There are docs on http://www.apache.org for mod_rewrite. Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ > This is what I have in my apache httpd.conf > > #UserDir public_html > UserDir /home/*/web > > > putting a slash after UserDir public_html/ > or UserDir /home/*/web/ > does not seem to be doing anything. > Also the machines hostname is setup, I was having other problems untill I > set it. > I also have the server name set as serverName *:80 which seems to be > working > fine. > I can't think of anything else that I could use to make the need for / go > away. > Andrew Nemchenko > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrei Bazhgin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Apache help > > >> Strange. What Apache version are you working with? >> >> THis is what my mod_userdir.c setup looks like (Apache 1.3.29/Unix): >> >> >> UserDir pub >> >> >> >> AllowOverride All >> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks >> >> >> An Apache2 config will look different. >> >> On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 11:38:42AM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >> > I dont think that this a very compilcated question but I just can't >> seem > to be able to figure this out. >> > What do I have to do in the httpd.conf file to have the server forward > to my user directories with out a trailing "/" >> > For example when I enter >> > >> > http://ipaddresshere/~drew I get a "This page cannot be displayed" >> > >> > however when I enter >> > >> > http://ipaddresshere/~drew/ <--notice the trailing / >> > >> > it goes to the user directory and brings up the appropriate website. >> > >> > To recap, my question is; How do I make it so that I don't have to put > the trailing / after the user name? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Andrew Nemchenko >> > http://www.qlogic.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 19 12:55:21 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Report says Time Warner held AOL sale talks with Microsoft - Mar. 19, 2004 Message-ID: <200403191255.21351@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Won't this just be the coolest thing to ever happen?? http://money.cnn.com/2004/03/19/news/companies/aol_microsoft/index.htm?cnn=yes -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Mar 19 12:51:49 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unreal Tournament 2004 is out! Message-ID: >>> spidey@beetlejuice.org 03/18/04 03:32PM >>> >Hey guys, just wanted to pass on that Unreal Tournament 2004 just came >out! And now they "finally" listed Linux as a supported OS right on the >box (there is even an image of Tux on the back)!!! > The beta demo has been out for a while and I have enjoyed it immensely. So much so that I think I need to buy it. This one, Americas Army, and Neverwinter Nights are excellent Linux games (with free demos available). Try them and buy them. :-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Mar 19 13:11:29 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Report says Time Warner held AOL sale talks with Microsoft - Mar. 19, 2004 In-Reply-To: <200403191255.21351@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200403191255.21351@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20040319191129.GA3553@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 12:55:21PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Won't this just be the coolest thing to ever happen?? > > http://money.cnn.com/2004/03/19/news/companies/aol_microsoft/index.htm?cnn=yes > All your /.*/ are belong to MSFT. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Fri Mar 19 14:23:02 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Auth_LDAP with Active Directory Message-ID: I'm trying to authenticate active directory users with apache. I haven't found much documentation on this. This is my apache config so far. AuthLDAPEnabled On #AuthLDAPBindDN "ip/dc=domain,dc=com,ou=ou here,cn=cn here" #AuthLDAPBindPassword "" AuthLDAPURL ldap://ip/CN=cn here,OU=ou here,DC=domain,DC=com AuthName "AuthName" AuthType Basic require valid-user I'm getting this error in the apache log. [Fri Mar 19 14:19:51 2004] [error] [client myIP] Search must return exactly 1 entry; found 0 entries for search (&(objectclass=*)(uid=joe.user)): URI /dir It looks like it's searching AD fine. I'm probably just doing something real simple and stupid wrong here. Any help would be great. -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 19 14:36:53 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? Message-ID: <20040319203653.GL14490@real-time.com> I've secured a location for our next installfest. :-) Like a blast from the past, Benchmark in Edina is willing to host the next event. All I need is what Saturday would work for most everyone. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Mar 19 15:51:51 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? References: <20040319203653.GL14490@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > I've secured a location for our next installfest. :-) > > Like a blast from the past, Benchmark in Edina is willing to host the next > event. didn't they dump that linux thing for Microsoft solutions? > All I need is what Saturday would work for most everyone. First Sat in April. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Mar 19 21:43:32 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403200343.i2K3hWB00743@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Misc. supplies for sale. Cisco 675 DSL Router: Good condition, includes manuals & most of the cables (may need Xover/Cat5e). $20.00 8GB SCSI2 External HD: I purchased this about a year ago and currently have no need for it. Tested after initial purchase. $10.00 http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Fri Mar 19 22:14:41 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions Message-ID: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> I read somewhere that your swap space should be double your RAM up to 512MB, but I can't remember if that meant up to 512MB of RAM or 512MB of swap. Basically, I acquired a twin processor PII-400 system with only one processor and a single 128MB stick of RAM (but 4 slots available). I have since added a second processor (and new heat sinks with fans) and filled all four slots with 128MB sticks of ECC RAM (yes the BIOS supports ECC, isn't that cool). Yes, this is probably overkill for a simple Linux desktop, but hey, it just seems cool. But back to my original question. I'm thinking a Gig of swap is way overkill. I was thinking 768MB max. Opinions? (Let's keep this civil please.) -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Mar 19 22:42:49 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <405BCBC9.2080502@visi.com> (Let's keep this civil please.) ;-) I would really like to know this as well, I was installing Red Hat 8 on an Armada E500 with 256mb RAM. I fat fingered the mouse, imagine that, before setting the size of the swap partition it gave me the message that swap must be "greater then the amount of RAM in the computer". I've just followed the guidelines in the past (sort of) and made the swap 2x the memory. Is there a point where more swap doesn't help? Sam. P.S. I'm installing Ximian 2 right now on the E500 I'll let ya all know what it's like. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Mar 19 22:50:42 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? In-Reply-To: <20040319203653.GL14490@real-time.com> References: <20040319203653.GL14490@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040320045042.GX14461@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Mar 19 23:10:07 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Report says Time Warner held AOL sale talks with Microsoft- Mar. 19, 2004 References: <200403191255.21351@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <005101c40e39$9ca54ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Bob Tanner writes: > Won't this just be the coolest thing to ever happen?? AOL is probably the biggest current threat to Microsoft. A merger would be beneficial for both companies, but the government will likely keep it from happening. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Mar 19 23:22:17 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040319232217.752b9b01.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:14:41 -0600 Todd Young wrote: > I read somewhere that your swap space should be double your RAM up > to 512MB, but I can't remember if that meant up to 512MB of RAM or > 512MB of swap. > > Yes, this is probably overkill for a simple Linux desktop, but hey, > it just seems cool. > > But back to my original question. I'm thinking a Gig of swap is way > overkill. I was thinking 768MB max. > > Opinions? (Let's keep this civil please.) Typically, for myself it depends on what the use of the box is going to be. If it's a web/fileserver that's older hardware, and smaller memory then I'll double it. But, my desktop has 1GB of ram in it right now. I set swap to 1.5GB. I have the disk space, so I'm not overly concerned if it's too much or not. I'm planning on doing more intensive work on my desktop, so I think even at that I should be more than enough. Now, if you're talking huge amounts of ram, say like one of the HP-UX boxes I administer at work (rp8400 w/16 processors & 32GB ram), then we set swap to around 8GB. However, the usage of that box is very high and it's swapped fairly often. However, I don't think it's swapped more than 30% except for when some development applications have gone haywire. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sat Mar 20 01:41:52 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net>; from auditodd@comcast.net on Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 10:14:41PM -0600 References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040320014152.D28855@thinkunix.net> Todd Young wrote: > I read somewhere that your swap space should be double your RAM up to > 512MB, but I can't remember if that meant up to 512MB of RAM or 512MB of > swap. Generally you want 2 or 3 X physical RAM. Keep in mind the 2.4.x kernels use swap more aggressively then older kernels did. I usually look at the max RAM a box can hold and double that just so that if I add RAM in the future, I don't have to scramble to find swap should I need it. If you have tons of disk, be generous with swap. For boxes that have limited phyiscal RAM (eg, laptops) generally 1 X physical RAM is sufficient. > Basically, I acquired a twin processor PII-400 system with only one > processor and a single 128MB stick of RAM (but 4 slots available). I > have since added a second processor (and new heat sinks with fans) and > filled all four slots with 128MB sticks of ECC RAM (yes the BIOS > supports ECC, isn't that cool). > > But back to my original question. I'm thinking a Gig of swap is way > overkill. I was thinking 768MB max. If you don't plan on going beyond 512MB of RAM, the 768MB should be more then enough. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Sat Mar 20 08:45:55 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040320144555.GB23296@refried.org> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 10:14:41PM -0600, Todd Young wrote: > I read somewhere that your swap space should be double your RAM up to > 512MB, but I can't remember if that meant up to 512MB of RAM or 512MB of > swap. IIRC, that was for 2.4.x kernels prior to 2.4.10. It's not the case anymore. The amount of swap depends on how much you're going to oversubscribe your system. I typically use equal swap and RAM. Although if you have more than a few GB of memory, you probably don't want to give up that much disk space to swap. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sat Mar 20 10:39:17 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> (message from Todd Young on Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:14:41 -0600) References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200403201639.i2KGdHh07681@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Todd Young wrote: >I read somewhere that your swap space should be double your RAM up to >512MB, but I can't remember if that meant up to 512MB of RAM or 512MB of >swap. Rules of thumb like this are helpful, but a better way to determine optimal swap space size is to put a system under the expected load and check free space to see how much swap space is being used. Add a bit more to the maximum swap space used (when not thrashing - it will be hard to thrash a system with 512MB RAM). Back to rules of thumb for swap space size. It depends on the application, but the following is what I generally use; RAM Size Swap size 4-128 MB Double RAM size 256-512 MB Same as RAM size 1GB and up 512MB - 1GB >But back to my original question. I'm thinking a Gig of swap is way >overkill. I was thinking 768MB max. In many cases, 256MB would be fine for any size RAM. You could start with 256MB swap space and add swap partitions as needed. However, keep in mind that modern hard drives have about twice the performance on the outer cylinders than the inner cylinders, so try to position swap space near the beginning of the drive for better swapping performance. Swap should also be close to often used filesystems. Best yet, is put swap on its own drive. For your system, I'd use a 512MB swap partition. >Opinions? (Let's keep this civil please.) Dual PII-400 system with 512MB ECC RAM is a fantastic system! Who originally built this system? Is it a particular brand or custom made? Very cool system! Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Mar 20 10:47:47 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: FWIW, I'd prefer the second Sat.. will be out of town on the 1st.. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > > Bob Tanner writes: > > > I've secured a location for our next installfest. :-) > > > > Like a blast from the past, Benchmark in Edina is willing to host the next > > event. > > didn't they dump that linux thing for Microsoft solutions? > > > All I need is what Saturday would work for most everyone. > > First Sat in April. > > Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Mar 20 12:11:46 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <20040320144555.GB23296@refried.org> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <20040320144555.GB23296@refried.org> Message-ID: <20040320181146.GA5389@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 08:45:55AM -0600, nate@refried.org wrote: > The amount of swap depends on how much you're going to oversubscribe > your system. I typically use equal swap and RAM. Although if you > have more than a few GB of memory, you probably don't want to give up > that much disk space to swap. And there's no need to dedicate a partition to swap; one can always create a file and use that. I am told such a swap file is slower, but it has the advantage of dynamic sizing. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at ehanson.net Sat Mar 20 12:49:10 2004 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 678 without NAT Message-ID: <405C9226.2060200@ehanson.net> Hey all I am wondering how to set up/find out how to set up a cisco 678 from qwest to be a dhcp client but to not be dhcp server and not use NAT. So I want to have the DSL come into the 678 and then go to a third party router. Thanks. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sat Mar 20 13:24:58 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 678 without NAT In-Reply-To: <405C9226.2060200@ehanson.net>; from erik@ehanson.net on Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:49:10PM -0600 References: <405C9226.2060200@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <20040320132458.A19863@thinkunix.net> Erik Hanson wrote: > Hey all > > I am wondering how to set up/find out how to set up a cisco 678 from > qwest to be a dhcp client but to not be dhcp server and not use NAT. > > So I want to have the DSL come into the 678 and then go to a third party > router. Thanks. I found these really helpful when setting up a 678 recently: http://support.real-time.com/linux/dsl/dynamic_ip.html to turn off the dhcp server and NAT set dhcp server disabled set nat disabled -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Sat Mar 20 13:28:54 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <200403201639.i2KGdHh07681@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <200403201639.i2KGdHh07681@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <405C9B76.1080503@comcast.net> The system is called an Intergraph TDZ 2000 GL2. It has a funky blue case that reminds me a bit of the SGI O2 case, except twice as tall. I acquired it with only one processor, a 128MB stick of non-buffered RAM, no hard drives, no CDROM or floppy. I added an older CDROM, a floppy, and took a trip to MPC to pick up 4 sticks of 128MB ECC RAM and a couple 6.4GB hard drives. My step-son killed an IBM (that will teach him static procedures) and he gave me the CPU to use (fortunately it was a PII-400, just like the one in the system). I ordered a couple CPU heatsinks with fans attached online and then put it all together. So far I've only run a memory test on it. Now I just need to find the time to actually load Linux on it. I've also acquired an Athlon XP2000 processor (1.67GHz) to drop into my main system to replace the Duron 700MHz processor. According to the specs for my MB, that's the max processor I can use, so I got really lucky. Ken Fuchs wrote: > Dual PII-400 system with 512MB ECC RAM is a fantastic system! Who > originally built this system? Is it a particular brand or custom made? > Very cool system! > > Sincerely, > > Ken Fuchs -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Sat Mar 20 13:51:40 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (garrett) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 678 without NAT In-Reply-To: <405C9226.2060200@ehanson.net> References: <405C9226.2060200@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <405CA0CC.3060402@cleosci.com> You want the 678 to be a DSL bridge then? Erik Hanson wrote: > Hey all > > I am wondering how to set up/find out how to set up a cisco 678 from > qwest to be a dhcp client but to not be dhcp server and not use NAT. > > So I want to have the DSL come into the 678 and then go to a third > party router. Thanks. > > -Erik > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Mar 20 13:57:42 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN options? In-Reply-To: <000401c40d91$d80d5d30$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040319123852.5eb0c0cf.john4293@tc.umn.edu> <000401c40d91$d80d5d30$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040320195742.GC14446@fireopal.org> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 03:09:11AM -0600, David Phillips wrote: > PPTP has several major advantages over IPsec: > > - available now > - well supported on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux > - works over NAT > - supports protocols besides IP One of my colleagues had IPSec over NAT working from his home Linux box (running Mandrake). He recently installed Mandrake 10.0 on the box, and hasn't gotten around to reinstalling the IPSec client - he formatted the drive and started over from scratch. For connecting to work using my (employer-supplied) Windows laptop, I never did get PPTP working through my NAT - I'd even punched the holes in my NAT table that I was told needed to be punched, and still couldn't get it working. When I told IPSec to tunnel using TCP instead of UDP, it just started working - and I didn't have to punch holes! So, from my experience, IPSec is working better over NAT than PPTP did. This is also my experience supporting sales-droids in the field - we had no end of problems getting PPTP working in NAT environments, but the moment we got IPSec over TCP, it just worked. So, I'm afraid I have to dispute at least your first and third bullet points. For your second bullet point, I don't know how well-supported IPSec is on Linux, but it is available. Personally, I don't consider bullet point 4 to be an issue, but I am willing to concede that there are environments where it might be. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at ehanson.net Sat Mar 20 17:26:53 2004 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 678 without NAT In-Reply-To: <405CA0CC.3060402@cleosci.com> References: <405C9226.2060200@ehanson.net> <405CA0CC.3060402@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <405CD33D.10406@ehanson.net> Yes. -Erik garrett wrote: > You want the 678 to be a DSL bridge then? > > Erik Hanson wrote: > >> Hey all >> >> I am wondering how to set up/find out how to set up a cisco 678 from >> qwest to be a dhcp client but to not be dhcp server and not use NAT. >> >> So I want to have the DSL come into the 678 and then go to a third >> party router. Thanks. >> >> -Erik >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Mar 20 23:12:12 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kenel upgrade for debian Message-ID: Hello all, I got debian running on my laptop with xfree86 and all sorts of fancy stuff. I even got on the network using a new linksys pcmcia card. For me this is quite an achievement. The other day I posted a message regarding my pcmcia going down after an upgrade. I got fancy and decided to upgrade the kernel from 2.2.20-compact to 2.4.18. Using dselect, I installed kernel-image 2.4.18 and the "kernel-pcmcia-modules" 2.4.18 packages. That is when the network connection went down. After 14 hours of googling, I found this site: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2003/debian-laptop-200307/msg00126.htm l The poor bastard has the same problem. Error message: /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/pcmcia/i82365.o: unresolved symbol isapnp_find_dev_R9991be23 The response says to upgrade pcmcia-ps and use the new config. I got pcmcia-ps testing package from the debian packages site. Then I found out pcmcia-ps depends on libc6 2.3.2, but when I tried to install the new libc6, I got all sorts of conflicts. Is upgrading the kernel in this fashion just a bad idea? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john4293 at tc.umn.edu Sun Mar 21 00:37:43 2004 From: john4293 at tc.umn.edu (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN options? In-Reply-To: References: <20040319123852.5eb0c0cf.john4293@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040321003743.0cf62edc.john4293@tc.umn.edu> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:50:06 -0600 "John T. Hoffoss" wrote: > Check out OpenVPN, (http://openvpn.sourceforge.net) it includes > instructions on connecting to Windows and Linux/BSD/Solaris/Mac, and is > apparently straight-forward to set up. thanks for the hint, i downloaded the code for this and got things set up this afternoon. it was very easy to get a basic setup working and it works fine using linux or windows as a client, although the windows client seems to be a bit picky. the throughput is acceptable on a wired segment, my celeron 466 gateway was saturated at ~1.9MBps on a 100mbps link. the wireless seemed to top out at ~420KBps with neither client or server showing a significant cpu load. i was hoping for a couple hundred KB more from the wireless so it's something I can play with but what i'm getting now is fine for surfing over dial-up and running some ssh sessions. i would definately recommend it for anyone looking for a VPN. Thomas Johnson -------------- john4293 at umn dot edu -------------- * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. * there is little truth in men but much cunning. -peter the great _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Mar 21 10:45:51 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cisco 678 without NAT In-Reply-To: <405CD33D.10406@ehanson.net> References: <405C9226.2060200@ehanson.net> <405CA0CC.3060402@cleosci.com> <405CD33D.10406@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <20040321164551.GB1861@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Saturday, Mar 20, 2004), Erik Hanson was madly tapping out: > Yes. to make the 678 work as a bridge you simple need to turn bridging on. it's dead easy and documented here [1]. make sure that you select the appropriate bridging type for your configuration. i surmise that you've got a pppoe capable router on the other side of this so rfc1483 bridging is likely what you're looking for. note, that you won't be assigning an IP address to any interfaces on the device (unless you want a bridge management interface for stuff) so you shouldn't need to configure the dhcp client for anything. > garrett wrote: > > >You want the 678 to be a DSL bridge then? > > > >Erik Hanson wrote: > > > >>Hey all > >> > >>I am wondering how to set up/find out how to set up a cisco 678 > >>from qwest to be a dhcp client but to not be dhcp server and not > >>use NAT. > >> > >>So I want to have the DSL come into the 678 and then go to a third > >>party router. Thanks. { snipped - misc .signatures } references ---------- [1] http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/products/sw/netmgtsw/ps528/products_user_guide_chapter09186a00800ead58.html -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Sun Mar 21 12:36:57 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE kernel 2.6.4 how-to? Message-ID: <008701c40f73$7df8f5a0$0200a8c0@homer> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <001e01c40f95$2691a740$0200a8c0@homer> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Mar 22 09:04:00 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <405BCBC9.2080502@visi.com> Message-ID: <003101c4101e$e840ca40$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > Is there a point where more swap doesn't help? One of the few things I learned in a computer "hardware" class I took once (easy credit for school) was that at least academically, the proper size for a swap is 1.5x the amount of RAM in your system. It's a real general rule, and maybe it's different for linux than windows, but that's what I was told from an academic standpoint. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us Mon Mar 22 09:56:41 2004 From: dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us (Dana Millaway) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c41026$44a1e9c0$c56000ae@tcat> Please NOT the first Saturday - my husband has his first concert debuting his newest CD! How about April 10th or even the 17th or 24th? (I have minor obligations those days that I can reschedule). I am new to the group and to Linux and I would really like to meet some of you face to face, not to mention I would like to have help installing Linux. And I know where Benchmark is! ;-) -----Original Message----- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:36:53 -0600 From: Bob Tanner Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? I've secured a location for our next installfest. :-) Like a blast from the past, Benchmark in Edina is willing to host the next event. All I need is what Saturday would work for most everyone. -- Bob Tanner _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Mar 22 10:13:04 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's sourceforge mirror, absentia ... Message-ID: <20040322161303.GA12642@botwerks.org> i just noticed that my default preference for the U as my sourceforge mirror site seems to be gone. does anybody know what happened here? this was handy and never too far away. will this be a permanent change? -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Mon Mar 22 10:11:21 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? In-Reply-To: <002d01c41026$44a1e9c0$c56000ae@tcat> References: <002d01c41026$44a1e9c0$c56000ae@tcat> Message-ID: <20040322161121.GA3069@refried.org> On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 09:56:41AM -0600, Dana Millaway wrote: > Please NOT the first Saturday - my husband has his first concert debuting > his newest CD! How about April 10th or even the 17th or 24th? (I have minor I hate to vote against the first Saturday of the month tradition, but have to too. I'll be curling that day. The 10th would work better for me. I'm glad to hear that Benchmark is hosting again. The first TCLUG meeting I went to was at Benchmark. They have a great facility. It'll bring back good memories. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Mon Mar 22 10:15:27 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's sourceforge mirror, absentia ... In-Reply-To: <20040322161303.GA12642@botwerks.org> References: <20040322161303.GA12642@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <405F111F.8050802@andersonfam.org> steve ulrich wrote: > i just noticed that my default preference for the U as my sourceforge > mirror site seems to be gone. does anybody know what happened here? > this was handy and never too far away. will this be a permanent > change? I noticed this as well last night...I hope it comes back soon - it was nice to have a relatively fast local mirror. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave at math.umn.edu Mon Mar 22 10:14:49 2004 From: dave at math.umn.edu (Dave Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <405BCBC9.2080502@visi.com> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <405BCBC9.2080502@visi.com> Message-ID: <200403221014.54195.dave@math.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 22:42, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Is there a point where more swap doesn't help? It's really more of an issue of determining your maximum memory load. I have 1GB of RAM in the computer I use most often. I had fedora set the amount of swap (was something like 800M). I have yet to see any processes swap out to disk. Before I ran fedora, I wasn't using any swap, and had no problems. I usually have one e-mail window open, sometimes a VMware window, and often play UT2003 (and now UT2004). - -- - -dave Dave Carlson Systems Administrator (Consultant) 8 Vincent Hall 612-625-4895 PGP Fingerprint: C3D0 9962 1E98 B742 132D 0E1A CE11 7C4B 5309 97A7 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAXxD9zhF8S1MJl6cRAqm+AKCcCUV200tVU57Nr6hbyftEv1cnwACgniCK 7HXs0YRPjWy3tb7wFBzT0Cc= =847D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Mar 22 10:29:54 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <200403221014.54195.dave@math.umn.edu> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <405BCBC9.2080502@visi.com> <200403221014.54195.dave@math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1079972993.20183.113.camel@unixws1> Just be careful setting swap to be less than RAM, if you have an operating system that will dump physical memory to swap in case of a panic (not that BSD or Solaris ever do that! ) On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 10:14, Dave Carlson wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 19 March 2004 22:42, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > Is there a point where more swap doesn't help? > > It's really more of an issue of determining your maximum memory load. I have > 1GB of RAM in the computer I use most often. I had fedora set the amount of > swap (was something like 800M). I have yet to see any processes swap out to > disk. Before I ran fedora, I wasn't using any swap, and had no problems. I > usually have one e-mail window open, sometimes a VMware window, and often > play UT2003 (and now UT2004). > > - -- > - -dave > > Dave Carlson > Systems Administrator (Consultant) > > 8 Vincent Hall > 612-625-4895 > > PGP Fingerprint: > C3D0 9962 1E98 B742 132D 0E1A CE11 7C4B 5309 97A7 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAXxD9zhF8S1MJl6cRAqm+AKCcCUV200tVU57Nr6hbyftEv1cnwACgniCK > 7HXs0YRPjWy3tb7wFBzT0Cc= > =847D > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 22 10:58:16 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: UofM no longer sourceforge mirror? Message-ID: <20040322165816.GM30635@real-time.com> Slightly OT, but I don't see the UofM as a SourceForge mirror anymore. Anyone know what's going on? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayne at puklich.com Mon Mar 8 10:34:19 2004 From: blayne at puklich.com (Blayne Puklich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Fwd: Upcoming MNVUG meeting 3/12 Message-ID: <2147483647.1078742059@[10.1.52.120]> I originally had the date wrong, but I thought I'd pass this along to the TCSA and Linux folks. I was asked by some folks at Veritas to try and revive the MNVUG user group. Nothing has happened as of yet, but I'd like to get some folks together either this Friday or next Friday to try and figure out what we want to do with this thing. We may also do an informal customer feedback session with some Veritas technical folks as well depending on time. Please let me know if you're interested in something like this so I know how many folks to plan for. More (old) information can be found at http://www.mnvug.org for anyone interested. ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: Thursday, March 4, 2004 2:29 PM -0600 From: Blayne Puklich To: mnvug@mnvug.org Subject: Upcoming MNVUG meeting 3/13 Hopefully folks don't think I've forgotten about the MN Veritas Users Group. I haven't (you're not getting off that easily!). Sorry I've been out of the loop; as usual I've been pretty busy. My informal poll a month or so ago shows a few topics for discussion, mostly revolving around Netbackup, but there were a few other interesting ideas. Besides my own ideas, of course. ;^) I think we have two choices for next Friday. One is that I scramble to find someone that can put together a presentation on one of the topics folks said they'd like to see. I'll put together a list of those and send them out to the group either later today or tomorrow. The other choice is for us to just get together for lunch to get acquainted, talk about the group, and plan how we'd like to go forward. I'm leaning towards this idea so I can get to know some of the people behind the email addresses. Let me know what you all think. I'd appreciate some ideas by the end of the day Monday. Thanks! --- Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1 * mailto:blayne at puklich.com * Pager: 888/437-8109 I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode. ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- --- Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1 * mailto:blayne at puklich.com * Pager: 888/437-8109 I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 8 15:38:37 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Bug Squashing Party (BSP) Message-ID: <20040305213432.GN1549@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 15 14:46:19 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] REMINDER: SCALUG Meeting March 20 @ 3PM Message-ID: <1552.156.99.116.45.1079383579.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Just a quick reminder, our next SCALUG meeting is This coming Saturday, March 20th, in St. Cloud. Robert from VMware will be coming out to show off Vmware workstation as well as the GSX and ESX server products. It's going to be a lot of fun, hope to see you all there! As always, the info is up at http://scalug.mn-linux.org -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Mar 3 11:19:49 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] March SCALUG Meeting: VMWare Message-ID: <4188.156.99.116.45.1078327006.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Our next SCALUG meeting will be featuring Robert Rooney of VMWare. He's going to be showing off VMWare workstation as well as giving a demo of their server side solutions. If you use VMWare, you won't want to miss this! March 20 at 3PM, Miller Auto in St. Cloud. As always, maps and directions can be found at http://slash.scalug.mn-linux.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/03/043223&mode=thread -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Mar 4 23:35:35 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] March TCLUG meeting Message-ID: <20040305050423.GB29896@fandre.com> We will be having a meeting this month, but (again) I have been unable to find a speaker or a topic. There was some talk of having a SAN talk, but nothing was ever finalized. I *will* have something solid for next month, I promise. When: March 6th, 2004, noon-2pm Topic: Open Discussion Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE-CS 3-180 Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayne at puklich.com Tue Mar 16 14:36:58 2004 From: blayne at puklich.com (Blayne Puklich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] MNVUG Meeting Friday March 19 Message-ID: <2147483647.1079447818@[10.1.52.120]> The next meeting of the Minnesota VERITAS Users Group is this coming Friday, March 19, 2004 from 11:30am until 12:30pm at the Roseville VERITAS facility. Location directions are listed at the end. The Minnesota VERITAS Users Group (MNVUG) is for anyone who uses VERITAS technology on the job.? All end-users, system administrators and consultants are welcome to join.? We meet to exchange ideas, see real world examples of VERITAS products, learn about the latest developments and share ideas. The main focus of this meeting is as a reintroduction to the users group. Topics for this meeting will be: * Lunch! Thanks to VERITAS, we'll have lunch provided. PLEASE RESPOND TO ME IF YOU PLAN ON ATTENDING SO WE HAVE AN APPROXIMATE COUNT. THANKS! * Informal discussion of what you want out of the user group, including * Users group format and meeting format * Future discussion topics * Meeting logistics: frequency, time, location and finally: * Bring your suggestions and comments to VERITAS! JP Aubineau from VERITAS will lead a customer feedback forum on NetBackup/VSM patching, logging, and general troubleshooting. Other VERITAS products may be covered as time permits. JP Aubineau works for VERITAS Software in the Customer Support Global Release Management group. He is a Sr. Supportability Impact engineer that focuses on reducing the cost of Technical Support by making and implementing recommended supportability and usability changes both within the VERITAS product line as well as the process and policies that revolve around the Technical Services organization. While he focuses on the Data Protection products such as NetBackup, Bare Metal Restore, and Storage Migrator, he also works closely with the other supportability engineers that concentrate on the rest of the product line. =========================================================================== The Veritas Roseville Facility is located at: 2815 Cleveland Avenue Roseville, MN 651-746-7000 >From 694: Exit south 35W, follow towards downtown Minneapolis Take County D exit Turn left, crossing over 35W Turn right on Cleveland Ave south Turn right into 2815 Cleveland Ave parking lot >From downtown Minneapolis: Take 35W north out of downtown Exit Cleveland Ave/County C Keep left at the fork in the ramp Turn left on Cleveland Ave Turn left into 2815 Cleveland Ave parking lot --- Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1 * mailto:blayne at puklich.com * Pager: 888/437-8109 I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Mar 19 09:42:58 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] (no subject) Message-ID: Beermeeting tonight at BarleyJohns. 6pm-whenever. More information is on the beermeeting website. (beer.tclug.org) Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Mar 22 11:09:54 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? In-Reply-To: <20040322161121.GA3069@refried.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 nate@refried.org wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 09:56:41AM -0600, Dana Millaway wrote: > > Please NOT the first Saturday - my husband has his first concert debuting > > his newest CD! How about April 10th or even the 17th or 24th? (I have minor > > I hate to vote against the first Saturday of the month tradition, but > have to too. Ditto. As my first theoretically idle weekend in...quite some time, I plan on vegetating as long as possible. > I'll be curling that day. Hmm, that's the second curling reference I've seen/heard in the past week. Maybe it's (re)gaining popularity (again)? > The 10th would work better for me. I second that. > I'm glad to hear that Benchmark is hosting again. The first TCLUG > meeting I went to was at Benchmark. They have a great facility. It'll > bring back good memories. Same here, I think. I seem to recall it was on High-Availability Linux clusters ("using SteelEye products"). Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 22 11:04:26 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's sourceforge mirror, absentia ... In-Reply-To: <20040322161303.GA12642@botwerks.org> References: <20040322161303.GA12642@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <200403221104.26577@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 22 March 2004 10:13 am, steve ulrich wrote: > i just noticed that my default preference for the U as my sourceforge > mirror site seems to be gone. does anybody know what happened here? > this was handy and never too far away. will this be a permanent > change? Time Warner Telecomm is on the list now, which is a good replacement for the UofM, but I'd still like to know what happened. :-) I say it "drop off" the list last night, thought it might be a temp thing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Mon Mar 22 11:00:12 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel upgrade for debian Message-ID: I've upgraded the debian kernel quite a few times with very little problem. I like using the aptitude package instead of dselect because of the intuitiveness. I even prefer aptitude to apt-get because I really like seeing what will be installed on my system while giving me a way to make corrections before it changes. Make sure that you run update-grub if you use grub instead of lilo. I use grub because it automatically lists the older kernels at bootup. Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: PHPTOm [mailto:phptom@wordesign.net] Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:12 PM To: Tclug-List@Mn-Linux. Org Subject: [TCLUG] kenel upgrade for debian Hello all, I got debian running on my laptop with xfree86 and all sorts of fancy stuff. I even got on the network using a new linksys pcmcia card. For me this is quite an achievement. The other day I posted a message regarding my pcmcia going down after an upgrade. I got fancy and decided to upgrade the kernel from 2.2.20-compact to 2.4.18. Using dselect, I installed kernel-image 2.4.18 and the "kernel-pcmcia-modules" 2.4.18 packages. That is when the network connection went down. After 14 hours of googling, I found this site: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2003/debian-laptop-200307/msg00126.htm l The poor bastard has the same problem. Error message: /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/pcmcia/i82365.o: unresolved symbol isapnp_find_dev_R9991be23 The response says to upgrade pcmcia-ps and use the new config. I got pcmcia-ps testing package from the debian packages site. Then I found out pcmcia-ps depends on libc6 2.3.2, but when I tried to install the new libc6, I got all sorts of conflicts. Is upgrading the kernel in this fashion just a bad idea? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Mar 22 11:57:27 2004 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61A65E48-7C2A-11D8-8701-000A95726308@us-admins.com> On Mar 22, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Jima wrote: >> The 10th would work better for me. > > I second that. third. > -- Ben Lutgens U.S. Admins, Inc Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Mon Mar 22 12:14:06 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Auth_LDAP with Active Directory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone know ANYTHING about this? -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Josh Close > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:23 PM > To: TCLUG (E-mail) > Subject: [TCLUG] Auth_LDAP with Active Directory > > > I'm trying to authenticate active directory users with > apache. I haven't > found much documentation on this. > > This is my apache config so far. > > > AuthLDAPEnabled On > #AuthLDAPBindDN "ip/dc=domain,dc=com,ou=ou here,cn=cn here" > #AuthLDAPBindPassword "" > AuthLDAPURL ldap://ip/CN=cn here,OU=ou here,DC=domain,DC=com > AuthName "AuthName" > AuthType Basic > require valid-user > > > I'm getting this error in the apache log. > > [Fri Mar 19 14:19:51 2004] [error] [client myIP] Search must > return exactly > 1 entry; found 0 entries for search > (&(objectclass=*)(uid=joe.user)): URI > /dir > > It looks like it's searching AD fine. I'm probably just doing > something real > simple and stupid wrong here. > > Any help would be great. > > -Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Mar 22 12:22:00 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's sourceforge mirror, absentia ... In-Reply-To: <200403221104.26577@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <20040322161303.GA12642@botwerks.org> <200403221104.26577@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20040322122200.00004ce8@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:04:26 -0600 Bob Tanner wrote: > On Monday 22 March 2004 10:13 am, steve ulrich wrote: > > i just noticed that my default preference for the U as my > > sourceforge mirror site seems to be gone. does anybody know what > > happened here? this was handy and never too far away. will this > > be a permanent change? > > Time Warner Telecomm is on the list now, which is a good replacement > for the UofM, but I'd still like to know what happened. :-) > > I say it "drop off" the list last night, thought it might be a temp > thing. I think it's been off a while longer than one day, I seem to remember having to go to somewhere in Virginia a number of times last week. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Mon Mar 22 13:13:56 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies Message-ID: <33143.65.116.187.220.1079982836.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> I'm getting a new 10 mb fiber internet connection. I would like to use Linux as a proxy server for my employees. (my crrent proxy, windows based is too slow for this larger connection, besides its time for an upgrade) Anyone have any recommendations for a proxy that is capable of ... - Surfing (duh) - Tracking. I want to see who goes where and for how long ... - Reporting. Be able to create reports showing who went where ... - Site blocking. I want to prevent users from accessing certain sites based on catagories. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks Jim Streit _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Mon Mar 22 13:23:02 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] recompile default distro kernel? In-Reply-To: <001e01c40f95$2691a740$0200a8c0@homer> (mpartyka@mn.rr.com) References: <001e01c40f95$2691a740$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: <200403221923.i2MJN2V04277@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Mike Partyka wrote: >I have been trying for the better part of two weeks to get a custom >kernel compiled from sources on kernel.org on a SuSE 9 desktop system. >My difficulties have caused me to shift my thinking somewhat. First boot SuSE 9 with its default kernel and copy /proc/config.gz which is the gzip compressed .config file used to build the running kernel. The kernel option that enables /proc/config.gz is CONFIG_PROC_CONFIG which SuSE has usually included by default. Always make sure this option is enabled, since that will make it easier to determine what was statically (and well as dynamically) compiled into the kernel Next try an updated SuSE Linux kernel and compare its .config file and the default config, add and remove options as you see fit and compile the new kernel. A kernel.org kernel may not have all the patches that SuSE has added and it usually has much fewer options selected than the default SuSE kernel, so it may not function as well, if at all. Some features of the SuSE distribution will not work (or work properly) without certain SuSE applied kernel patches. Hope this helps. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Mar 22 13:22:36 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? In-Reply-To: <61A65E48-7C2A-11D8-8701-000A95726308@us-admins.com> References: <61A65E48-7C2A-11D8-8701-000A95726308@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <20040322192236.GP31703@fandre.com> Yea, the 10th would work better for me to. But to make it official, how about a webpoll? http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/index.php?dispid=1 On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Mar 22, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Jima wrote: > >>The 10th would work better for me. > > > > I second that. > > third. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Mar 22 13:39:44 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies Message-ID: Hi Jim, I'm replying off list, since my solution is not Linux based. We are happily using Network Appliance NetCache devices at Toro. If you have Cisco routers, the WCCP support works very well to ensure that all users are going through the proxy. I am using a version of Webalizer to which I have added some mods to better handle the cache logs. Webalizer understands squid logs, which the NetCache can generate. Site blocking is handled through a Smartfilter license, which runs on the cache. With the license, you get the right to use Cyfin's cache reporting tools. This gives me per user reports. The webalizer reports are more big picture, usage based. Hope that helps, Bruce >>> jimstreit@northlans.com 03/22/04 01:13PM >>> I'm getting a new 10 mb fiber internet connection. I would like to use Linux as a proxy server for my employees. (my crrent proxy, windows based is too slow for this larger connection, besides its time for an upgrade) Anyone have any recommendations for a proxy that is capable of ... - Surfing (duh) - Tracking. I want to see who goes where and for how long ... - Reporting. Be able to create reports showing who went where ... - Site blocking. I want to prevent users from accessing certain sites based on catagories. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks Jim Streit _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Mar 22 13:37:57 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies In-Reply-To: <33143.65.116.187.220.1079982836.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> References: <33143.65.116.187.220.1079982836.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <1079984275.20183.127.camel@unixws1> squid + sarg Although I don't know about "who goes where for how long" - HTTP is stateless, so you can only see the logs from each HTTP operation and the date/timestamp - no way to tell how long they were drooling over the page. You can only see the timestamps of when they clicked. But sarg can give you summary output and details on what IP's accessed what sites. You can setup ACL's to deny access to certain URL's. Although I don't know about categories - it first and foremost is a caching proxy, I don't think it was necessarily designed to be a web-nanny. There is a hook to let you re-write URL's from an external program. I've used it on a personal squid box to do something...interesting. So you could maintain a list of "bad" URL's in a flat-file, and then have your URL-rewriter compare the URL to the list, and redirect to a "no pr0n for you" page if there is a match. There are C and Perl examples and it's pretty well documented. On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 13:13, Jim Streit wrote: > I'm getting a new 10 mb fiber internet connection. I would like to use > Linux as a proxy server for my employees. (my crrent proxy, windows based > is too slow for this larger connection, besides its time for an upgrade) > > Anyone have any recommendations for a proxy that is capable of ... > - Surfing (duh) > - Tracking. I want to see who goes where and for how long ... > - Reporting. Be able to create reports showing who went where ... > - Site blocking. I want to prevent users from accessing certain sites > based on catagories. > > Any suggestions would be great. > > Thanks > Jim Streit > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at techspresso.com Mon Mar 22 14:15:41 2004 From: mike at techspresso.com (mike@techspresso.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies In-Reply-To: <33143.65.116.187.220.1079982836.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> References: <33143.65.116.187.220.1079982836.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <1079986541.405f496d49725@www.techspresso.com> I'm running DansGuardian (http://dansguardian.org) at home and at one client site. DansGuardian was built for filtering and monitoring the sites people visit. It was written by one of the SmoothWall developers and is the basis for SmoothGuardian, a component of the commercial version of SmoothWall. I don't know if it can handle 10MB of bandwidth, but it may just be a matter of sizing the server right with memory and processsor. The office install I did serves about 20 people and runs on an Athlon 700 with 512MB RAM and two 4GB drive mirrored. In your case you would likely need a much more powerful box. I'd be interested to learn what others are using. mike > I'm getting a new 10 mb fiber internet connection. I would like to use > Linux as a proxy server for my employees. (my crrent proxy, windows based > is too slow for this larger connection, besides its time for an upgrade) > > Anyone have any recommendations for a proxy that is capable of ... > - Surfing (duh) > - Tracking. I want to see who goes where and for how long ... > - Reporting. Be able to create reports showing who went where ... > - Site blocking. I want to prevent users from accessing certain sites > based on catagories. > > Any suggestions would be great. > > Thanks > Jim Streit > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Mar 22 14:11:36 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? In-Reply-To: <20040322192236.GP31703@fandre.com> References: <61A65E48-7C2A-11D8-8701-000A95726308@us-admins.com> <20040322192236.GP31703@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040322201136.GA29340@fireopal.org> On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 01:22:36PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > Yea, the 10th would work better for me to. But to make it official, > how about a webpoll? > > http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/index.php?dispid=1 Folks, before you go vote - how many of you are remembering that Saturday, April 10th, is Easter Saturday? Does it make a difference to you? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Mon Mar 22 14:30:23 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <200403221014.54195.dave@math.umn.edu> (message from Dave Carlson on Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:14:49 -0600) References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <405BCBC9.2080502@visi.com> <200403221014.54195.dave@math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200403222030.i2MKUNp05100@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >On Friday 19 March 2004 22:42, Samuel MacDonald wrote: >> Is there a point where more swap doesn't help? Yes, when RAM + swap space is greater than the system's memory requirements based on the mix of applications it is running. In fact Linux can run fine without any swap space, given enough RAM. Compare two systems and loads on each that are equal, but system A has 256MB RAM and 256MB swap and system B has 512MB RAM and 0MB swap. If total memory requirements don't exceed 512MB, both systems will run fine, except the performance of system A will likely be less than system B. However, as long as disk trashing doesn't occur on system A, the performance of both systems will be adequate. A system can run with swap space if it has enough RAM to avoid the need to swap processes (or parts there of) to the disk. This in turn depends on the memory requirements of all processes in the system and the memory that Linux needs to buffer disks and other devices to keep performance reasonable. Linux will divert most "free memory" to buffer disks and devices, but it really only needs a small percentage of these buffers to provide reasonable performance. Thus Linux the buffers/cache usage as shown by free can often be reduced drastically without much ill effect by reducing the system's RAM (or loading more applications). For every mix of applications running on a system, one can experimentally see how much RAM is required and equip a system with that amount of RAM. Such a system will not need any swap to run perfectly fine as long as system memory requirements never exceed the size of the system's RAM. This same experiment can be repeated with varying sizes of swap space. The easiest way to proceed is to define several small swap partitions (.i.e eight 128MB swap partitions), enabling zero or more of them to the desired amount. Available RAM can be reduced to the desired MB testing amount via the mem=M kernel argument. Dave Carlson pointed out that he has never seen his 1GB RAM system swap any processes to disk, so he probably doesn't need any swap for the memory load his system is put under. Adam Maloney wrote: >Just be careful setting swap to be less than RAM, if you have an >operating system that will dump physical memory to swap in case of a >panic (not that BSD or Solaris ever do that! ) Are there any ram dumping utilities that ignore partition boundaries and possibly overwrite the next partition? I would assume that such RAM dumping utilities would fail when the amount of RAM to dump exceeds the available swap space. Adam, was this the point of your comment above? I just installed Solaris 8 on a system with 512MB of RAM, but suninstall suggested 295MB of swap. A few years ago, Sun may have increased its swap size to simply provide more space for its new Java based installation program, if I recall correctly. In this case, increasing swap space may not have had anything to do with increasing performance or reducing RAM requirements. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Mar 22 14:40:28 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies Message-ID: Oops, sorry, not off list then! >>> bruce.broecker@toro.com 03/22/04 01:39PM >>> Hi Jim, I'm replying off list, since my solution is not Linux based. We are happily using Network Appliance NetCache devices at Toro. If you have Cisco routers, the WCCP support works very well to ensure that all users are going through the proxy. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Mar 22 14:46:49 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <200403222030.i2MKUNp05100@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <405BCBC9.2080502@visi.com> <200403221014.54195.dave@math.umn.edu> <200403222030.i2MKUNp05100@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1079988407.20183.140.camel@unixws1> > Are there any ram dumping utilities that ignore partition boundaries and > possibly overwrite the next partition? I would assume that such RAM > dumping utilities would fail when the amount of RAM to dump exceeds the > available swap space. Adam, was this the point of your comment above? > BSD/OS and FreeBSD, if configured to do this (via sysctl), will dump to swap and then on reboot, if /var/crash exists, it will use savecore to copy the dump to /var/crash. If swap is not big enough, I believe it writes as much as it can (never ran into this...), but I can't imagine it would cross the FS boundary (these are utils that ship with the OS). I made the comment only because, if you are expecting to get a full dump, you won't if swap isn't large enough. I don't even know if Linux does this. We had this enabled when we still had support through BSDI - whenever something happened they always wanted us to force a dump and send it over to them (there was a program called "kanal" which would analyze the dumpfile so we didn't always have to send them a 512M or 1G file). > I just installed Solaris 8 on a system with 512MB of RAM, but suninstall > suggested 295MB of swap. A few years ago, Sun may have increased its > swap size to simply provide more space for its new Java based > installation program, if I recall correctly. In this case, increasing > swap space may not have had anything to do with increasing performance > or reducing RAM requirements. > When I installed Sol8 on my workstation, it had 256M (yikes!), and suninstall recommended 1G of swap (I took defaults on everything and just cruised through it). I've since upgraded to 768M, and this pig still eats into it: Memory: 768M real, 157M free, 326M swap in use, 695M swap free But Xsun seems to be allergic to free(), I think it's the pixmap cache or something - it's currently using 121M and mozilla (another pig) is using 92MB. Those two are the worst, but Gnome and Nautilus and Evolution are up there too - I'm about to switch back to CDE and pine, just so I don't eat into swap all the time. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 22 14:51:37 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BSP Followup Message-ID: <20040322205137.GB30074@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Mon Mar 22 15:31:33 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] [Solaris 8 swap & old KDE kicker] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <1079988407.20183.140.camel@unixws1> (message from Adam Maloney on Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:46:49 -0600) References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <405BCBC9.2080502@visi.com> <200403221014.54195.dave@math.umn.edu> <200403222030.i2MKUNp05100@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1079988407.20183.140.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <200403222131.i2MLVXY05863@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >Ken Fuchs wrote: >> I just installed Solaris 8 on a system with 512MB of RAM, but suninstall >> suggested 295MB of swap. A few years ago, Sun may have increased its >> swap size to simply provide more space for its new Java based >> installation program, if I recall correctly. In this case, increasing >> swap space may not have had anything to do with increasing performance >> or reducing RAM requirements. Adam Maloney wrote: >When I installed Sol8 on my workstation, it had 256M (yikes!), and >suninstall recommended 1G of swap (I took defaults on everything and >just cruised through it). I've since upgraded to 768M, and this pig >still eats into it: 1GB of swap is quite an unexpected amount for a system with 256MB. I wonder if suninstall's suggested swap size is based on disk size? I installed on a 9GB and just let it auto-layout the whole drive just to see how it would partition up the drive. I didn't let suninstall touch the other drive. >Memory: 768M real, 157M free, 326M swap in use, 695M swap free >But Xsun seems to be allergic to free(), I think it's the pixmap cache >or something - it's currently using 121M and mozilla (another pig) is >using 92MB. Those two are the worst, but Gnome and Nautilus and >Evolution are up there too - I'm about to switch back to CDE and pine, >just so I don't eat into swap all the time. Could there be a memory allocation bug? This reminds of the now several year old KDE kicker bug where it slowly allocates more memory to itself unnecessarily. Whenever my system got sluggish, I'd kill kicker and restart it and everything would be fine again for several days. kicker would slowly allocate about 100MB to itself for no good reason over the course of several days. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug.list at slushpupie.com Mon Mar 22 15:33:42 2004 From: tclug.list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Auth_LDAP with Active Directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040322213342.GA27277@slushpupie.com> What does ldapsearch show? On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 12:14:06PM -0600, Josh Close (josh@teamfreeze.com) wrote: > Does anyone know ANYTHING about this? > > -Josh > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Josh Close > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:23 PM > > To: TCLUG (E-mail) > > Subject: [TCLUG] Auth_LDAP with Active Directory > > > > > > I'm trying to authenticate active directory users with > > apache. I haven't > > found much documentation on this. > > > > This is my apache config so far. > > > > > > AuthLDAPEnabled On > > #AuthLDAPBindDN "ip/dc=domain,dc=com,ou=ou here,cn=cn here" > > #AuthLDAPBindPassword "" > > AuthLDAPURL ldap://ip/CN=cn here,OU=ou here,DC=domain,DC=com > > AuthName "AuthName" > > AuthType Basic > > require valid-user > > > > > > I'm getting this error in the apache log. > > > > [Fri Mar 19 14:19:51 2004] [error] [client myIP] Search must > > return exactly > > 1 entry; found 0 entries for search > > (&(objectclass=*)(uid=joe.user)): URI > > /dir > > > > It looks like it's searching AD fine. I'm probably just doing > > something real > > simple and stupid wrong here. > > > > Any help would be great. > > > > -Josh > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Mar 22 15:52:26 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] [Solaris 8 swap & old KDE kicker] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <200403222131.i2MLVXY05863@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <405BCBC9.2080502@visi.com> <200403221014.54195.dave@math.umn.edu> <200403222030.i2MKUNp05100@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1079988407.20183.140.camel@unixws1> <200403222131.i2MLVXY05863@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1079992345.20183.149.camel@unixws1> > I wonder if suninstall's suggested swap size is based on disk size? I > installed on a 9GB and just let it auto-layout the whole drive just to > see how it would partition up the drive. I didn't let suninstall touch > the other drive. > Yep - I think you're right, it bases swap on disk size, not memory size. > Could there be a memory allocation bug? This reminds of the now several Could be - but I can't believe it's gone unreported. I'm running such a vanilla installation with current patches. It might be normal (let Xsun grow to whatever size it wants?). And I'm not sure it's the pixmap cache, I just suspect it based on what I've seen. It's never bothered me enough to open a case on it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 22 15:57:44 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What? Debian (Debian GNU/Linux) has left vulnerabilities there and didn't release any patches for them. Message-ID: <20040322215744.GE30635@real-time.com> http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1607539824;fp;2;fpid;1 "For example, Debian (Debian GNU/Linux) has left vulnerabilities there and didn't release any patches for them." Ok, I really find this hard to believe. Any debian developers want to comment on this and/or push it up to debian mailing lists? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Mon Mar 22 16:13:18 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Auth_LDAP with Active Directory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I did: ldapsearch -x "" and it gave a list of pretty much everything in active directory.... so I don't want to post the whole thing. Also, I think apache doesn't use the ldap.conf file anyways. So I know that part is working. I changed a few things here also now. httpd.conf: AuthLDAPEnabled On AuthName "AuthName" AuthType Basic AuthLDAPBindDN "cn=linuxboxUser,ou=UserOrganization,dc=domain,dc=com" AuthLDAPBindPassword "password" AuthLDAPURL ldap://ip.to.active.directory/dc=domain,dc=com?sAMAccountName?sub?((objectCl ass=*)(memberOf=cn=cnName,ou=ouName,dc=domain,dc=com)) require valid-user the error log shows this: [Mon Mar 22 16:07:48 2004] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/sbin/suexec) [Mon Mar 22 16:07:48 2004] [notice] Accept mutex: sysvsem (Default: sysvsem) the access log shows this: 192.168.1.154 - - [22/Mar/2004:16:08:48 -0600] "GET /josh HTTP/1.1" 401 521 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)" and now it just sits there forever..... I'm not sure what's going on 'cause there is no error now, but the page doesn't load. -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jay Kline > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:34 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Auth_LDAP with Active Directory > > > > What does ldapsearch show? > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 12:14:06PM -0600, Josh Close > (josh@teamfreeze.com) wrote: > > Does anyone know ANYTHING about this? > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Josh Close > > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:23 PM > > > To: TCLUG (E-mail) > > > Subject: [TCLUG] Auth_LDAP with Active Directory > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to authenticate active directory users with > > > apache. I haven't > > > found much documentation on this. > > > > > > This is my apache config so far. > > > > > > > > > AuthLDAPEnabled On > > > #AuthLDAPBindDN "ip/dc=domain,dc=com,ou=ou > here,cn=cn here" > > > #AuthLDAPBindPassword "" > > > AuthLDAPURL ldap://ip/CN=cn here,OU=ou > here,DC=domain,DC=com > > > AuthName "AuthName" > > > AuthType Basic > > > require valid-user > > > > > > > > > I'm getting this error in the apache log. > > > > > > [Fri Mar 19 14:19:51 2004] [error] [client myIP] Search must > > > return exactly > > > 1 entry; found 0 entries for search > > > (&(objectclass=*)(uid=joe.user)): URI > > > /dir > > > > > > It looks like it's searching AD fine. I'm probably just doing > > > something real > > > simple and stupid wrong here. > > > > > > Any help would be great. > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+debian at ringworld.org Mon Mar 22 16:11:01 2004 From: zibby+debian at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What? Debian (Debian GNU/Linux) has left vulnerabilities there and didn't release any patches for them. In-Reply-To: <20040322215744.GE30635@real-time.com> Message-ID: Just a guess, they looked at Debian, saw that the version numbers weren't current, and assumed that Debian didn't update the software. Debian security team backports security patches to the version of the software currently in stable. (They're crazy...) Hard to say without specific examples. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Bob Tanner wrote: | http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1607539824;fp;2;fpid;1 | | "For example, Debian (Debian GNU/Linux) has left vulnerabilities there and | didn't release any patches for them." | | | Ok, I really find this hard to believe. Any debian developers want to comment on | this and/or push it up to debian mailing lists? | | | -- | Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 | http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 | http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! | Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 | | _______________________________________________ | TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota | http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org | https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | | | !DSPAM:405f637a252082582616876! | | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 22 17:12:46 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What? Debian (Debian GNU/Linux) has left vulnerabilities there and didn't release any patches for them. In-Reply-To: References: <20040322215744.GE30635@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040322231246.GD30074@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Mar 22 18:02:58 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What? Debian (Debian GNU/Linux) has left vulnerabilitiesthere and didn't release any pat Message-ID: >>> chewie@wookimus.net 03/22/04 05:12PM >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:11:01PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Just a guess, they looked at Debian, saw that the version numbers > weren't current, and assumed that Debian didn't update the software. > Debian security team backports security patches to the version of the > software currently in stable. (They're crazy...) To further expound upon this, Debian doesn't introduce newer versions of software into the Stable release because of the potential incompatibilities such changes would introduce. They are a bit crazy, but the guarantee that your software won't change in a production environment is a very strong motivator. Redhat has done this too, for similar reasons I suspect. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Mon Mar 22 18:20:31 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's sourceforge mirror, absentia ... In-Reply-To: <405F111F.8050802@andersonfam.org> References: <20040322161303.GA12642@botwerks.org> <405F111F.8050802@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <1080001234.32340.0.camel@chays.dyndns.org> It may have had something to do with this: Quoted message: Over the last two days we have had several crashes on our mail server, augustus.cs.umn.edu (a.k.a mail.cs.umn.edu). We do have a 7x24x365 with 4 hour response time service contract on it, and we have had the service engineers at Sun's headquaters in Mountain View California analizing the problem. At their suggestion we replaced one of the memory modules yesterday. That seem fix it but it crashed again about 10 this morning. Then they replaced one of the CPUs. It lasted about 2 hours and crashed again. Now they have replaced the other CPU. We will be monitoring it all weekend and if it crashes again, we will replace the motherboard. Jim _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Mar 22 20:13:39 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: UofM's sourceforge mirror, absentia ... References: <20040322161303.GA12642@botwerks.org> <405F111F.8050802@andersonfam.org> <1080001234.32340.0.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Chuck Hays writes: > It may have had something to do with this: > > Quoted message: in other words Sun has no clue whatsoever what the problem is and they are throwing money at it in hopes that this will fix it :) -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://www.redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Mon Mar 22 21:00:07 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: UofM's sourceforge mirror, absentia ... Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6D63D29@ipserver2.interplastic.com> beats the heck out of some home built mwave mongrel. -----Original Message----- From: nassarmu@redconcepts.net To: TCLUG Mailing List Sent: 3/22/04 8:13 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Re: UofM's sourceforge mirror, absentia ... Chuck Hays writes: > It may have had something to do with this: > > Quoted message: in other words Sun has no clue whatsoever what the problem is and they are throwing money at it in hopes that this will fix it :) -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://www.redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Mar 23 07:55:37 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: UofM's sourceforge mirror, absentia ... In-Reply-To: References: <20040322161303.GA12642@botwerks.org> <405F111F.8050802@andersonfam.org> <1080001234.32340.0.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1080050135.22647.35.camel@unixws1> A friend of mine, while working at $BIGCO and maintaining their UE10k, told me about his $1M/year Sun support contract. Apparently when they had an issue, they would send out 2 engineers. One would immediately start working on the problem. The other would wait on this guy hand and foot, bringing coffee, going to get donuts, etc. He also said that he could call Sun in the middle of the night needing a floppy, and someone would bring him out a box of floppies. Although this could be an exaggeration. IIRC, that was at the "Platinum" level. I know that if I had a $1M/year support contract, I would ask the engineer to do a little dance when he came out. Maybe the jig. Just because I could. I can't get away with that kind of stuff with my cisco contract, that's for sure. On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 20:13, nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > Chuck Hays writes: > > > It may have had something to do with this: > > > > > > Quoted message: > > > in other words Sun has no clue whatsoever what the problem is and they are > throwing money at it in hopes that this will fix it :) > > -- > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > http://www.redconcepts.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Tue Mar 23 13:07:31 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kenel upgrade for debian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Mar 2004, PHPTOm wrote: [Snip Tale of Woe upgrading 2.2-2.4] > > Is upgrading the kernel in this fashion just a bad idea? > It does sometime get more difficult than it needs to be. On Debian I try to use the official bug tracking and reporting system at www.debian.org when I run into problems like this, but sometimes drastic measures are called for. You might need to upgrade quite a few packages to catch things up with your new libc version but dselect+apt should resolve those out with minimal fuss. Just do Upgrade,Select- just hit enter to get out of select once you have the list up, it will resolve the dependencies, offering you choices when there are multiple ways to go. Then Install. Everything should go smoothly from there. First off, if you can, work from your functional 2.2.20 kernel while getting the 2.4 kernel working. It will save a lot of heartburn. Second, try creating local packages using the kernel and pcmcia support source packages with make-kpkg. I use this to work around a buggy motherboard bios at home that I should really just fix. Local packages with make-kpkg will allow you have a fully customized kernel optimized for your system, with just the stuff you want. More importantly for your system, the dependency versions are _what_you_have_installed_! rather than What the package maintainer was running. Last of all, use grub. grub-install once, and update-grub when you add a new kernel to the system. Keep a grub floppy handy. A bag of grubs to snack on. Um, well, maybe that last would be going too far, but grub kicks lilo's gerentological hienie 3 times around the block. Yeah, it is a steep learning curve, welcome to computer hot-rodding. -- Daniel Taylor random@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Mar 23 13:13:46 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Squit is great. I use it for keeping a cache of windows updates. My SUS server uses the cache server, so the server always has the latest updates. Very handy when I get a new machine and have to get it all patched and up and running in one day, as SUS only gets the machine in the morning. http://www.squid-cache.org/ has plenty of links to log file analizers. I've used Calamaris before and was happy enough with the results. I think I used Squid Guard or something of the sort in addition to ACLs to block stuff. ^chewie set it up initally, I just inherited it at a later date and updated/changed/modified at will... It takes a bit of time and reading of mailing list, help files, etc to get it all going, but the end result is very nice. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+debian at ringworld.org Tue Mar 23 15:13:24 2004 From: zibby+debian at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kenel upgrade for debian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nah, learning cureve isn't that steep. First thing to do is to drop back to your last working kernel. 2.2.20 doesn't have all the wiz bang stuff, but at least you have your network. Next, drop by ftp.us.kernel.org and grab the latest 2.4 kernel source. (2.4.25?) While that's downloading, apt-get install kernel-package libncurses5-dev fakeroot That should fetch you everything needed for building your own Debianized kernel. Once the kernel source and the needed packages installed, extract the souce somewhere handy like your home directory. No need to stick this all in /usr/src. Enter the directory for the extracted source, and type: cp /boot/config-2.4.18 .config followed by a make oldconfig You've just imported the Debian Kernel Maintainers kernel settings into your source, so you now have a kernel that is more or less configured. Double check that the modues/options you need are selected by typing make config. (instead of make oldconfig you can do make config...I've had a configuration not carry over before with oldconfig for whatever reason..) If you're feeling brave, customize your kernel. If not, you can get to building. The debian config builds just about everything, so it will take a bit of extra time. Once you have things configured to your liking, you can set kernel-package to work for you. :) fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=99:custom.1.0 kernel_image modules_image That should spit out your pcmcia-modules and kernel-image packages. You can also do kernel_doc, kernel_headers, etc. and get the other standard debian packages. Or you can just do fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=99:custom.1.0 binary And it will spit out every kernel related package. * The revision flag sets the version of your kernel. the 99: part means the 99th revision or something. I do this to make sure that an official kernel package doesn't overwrite my kernel. Since you're working with a kernel version that isn't offered in the current version of Debian, you shouldn't need it. But, better safe than sorry. The rest is just a standard version name. Update grub or lilo as needed, cross your fingers, and reboot. See /usr/share/doc/kernel-package for more on kernel-package, I only touched the "Brave and the impatient" section of the README, there is much more information to be had. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phillipsmith1949 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 24 06:15:31 2004 From: phillipsmith1949 at earthlink.net (PHILLIP SMITH) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra newbie demonstrates that not all is in manuals Message-ID: <410-220043324121531359@earthlink.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Mar 24 07:32:42 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra newbie demonstrates that not all is in manuals In-Reply-To: <410-220043324121531359@earthlink.net> References: <410-220043324121531359@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200403240732.46020.jpschewe@mtu.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 YaST is the tool that you did the install with. It should've asked you at install if you'd like to setup your graphics card. If not, you can start it from the commandline. 1) login as root 2) run yast 3) Use the arrows to move around and goto Hardware->Graphics card and monitor 4) Follow the instructions from there to configure your graphics card. You'll end up starting up a basic gui that will let you point and click to select video card and monitor if they're not auto detected. Also note that inside the terminal version of yast you can use ALT and the highlighted characters to move around the screen. On Wednesday 24 March 2004 06:15, PHILLIP SMITH wrote: > I am an ultra newbie to linux. I wanted to demystify computers to my kids a > few years ago and we built two machines which ran windows 98. One was a > machine we used a great deal. Something died related to a hard drive so I > replaced it and chose to buy a package of SuSE 9.0 in place of the major > $$$ on windows and software. > > I installed the package. It works in linux text mode and I think I need to > install a driver for my graphics card. I have looked and looked and can > not seem to find the commands for moving that file on to the hard drive! > > any ideas are welcome - any at all ! > > Phil > > > PHILLIP SMITH > phillipsmith1949@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. - -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAYY39yWh1lXh/lFURAt9XAJ9EXUwFGVp99xcT8Ps/ScGWZ9tUvQCfVGf8 24Ae/x3llogbA0kDQuCsGQ4= =pCKZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Mar 24 08:30:45 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ultra newbie demonstrates that not all is in manuals In-Reply-To: <200403240732.46020.jpschewe@mtu.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jon Schewe > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:33 AM > To: phillipsmith1949@EARTHLINK.NET; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ultra newbie demonstrates that not all > is in manuals > On Wednesday 24 March 2004 06:15, PHILLIP SMITH wrote: > > > > any ideas are welcome - any at all ! There has been talk of an installfest coming up, if nothing else. If after our help on the list you can't get your video card working, you can go to Benchmark Learning Center in Eden Prarie (??) and get help setting it up there. I think it will be the second Saturday of April, but I haven't seen anything that said that was finalized. So if the installfest suits you, keep your eyes open for a finalized announcement. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 24 08:32:26 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] recompile default distro kernel? In-Reply-To: <200403221923.i2MJN2V04277@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <001e01c40f95$2691a740$0200a8c0@homer> <200403221923.i2MJN2V04277@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1080138746.2219.27.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Wed Mar 24 09:41:18 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Installfest: I've got the space, do you got the time? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080142878.4061ac1ee4180@joshwelch.com> Quoting Chuck Cole : > FWIW, I'd prefer the second Sat.. will be out of town on the 1st.. > Ditto Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Wed Mar 24 09:55:30 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies In-Reply-To: <33143.65.116.187.220.1079982836.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> References: <33143.65.116.187.220.1079982836.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <1080143730.4061af72281ad@joshwelch.com> Quoting Jim Streit : > I'm getting a new 10 mb fiber internet connection. I would like to use > Linux as a proxy server for my employees. (my crrent proxy, windows based > is too slow for this larger connection, besides its time for an upgrade) > > Anyone have any recommendations for a proxy that is capable of ... > - Surfing (duh) > - Tracking. I want to see who goes where and for how long ... > - Reporting. Be able to create reports showing who went where ... > - Site blocking. I want to prevent users from accessing certain sites > based on catagories. > > Any suggestions would be great. > > Thanks > Jim Streit > Squid rocks, http://www.squid-cache.org. It's fairly easy to set up, I've got it running such that it only allows access to a certain set of about 50 sites, the users I'm using it on have a fairly restrictive Internet policy, so that is cool. If you need to black list large numbers of sites, i.e. block all pr0n, that could get burdensome as it would require adding every existing pr0n site into a blacklist. ISTR a project somewhere creating open source black lists for exactly this type of purpose, but I'm blanking on it right now... ahh a quick google tells me to look for Squidguard, and here is a cool article at the Linux Journal about using open source to do proxying: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6807 Anyway, it's fairly easy to do reporting by writing some scripts to check the squid logs. HTH, Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 24 13:42:09 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies References: <33143.65.116.187.220.1079982836.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> <1080143730.4061af72281ad@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <01b001c411d8$190f0780$0a0a0a0a@DELL2> > > Anyone have any recommendations for a proxy that is capable of ... > > - Surfing (duh) > > - Tracking. I want to see who goes where and for how long ... > > - Reporting. Be able to create reports showing who went where ... > > - Site blocking. I want to prevent users from accessing certain sites > > based on catagories. > > > > Any suggestions would be great. We use squid with dansguardian for many school districts. Put it on an IPCop box (less than 30Mb install).Add a few hacks and it is a perfect solution for caching, content filter, user tracking, and management. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Wed Mar 24 14:30:36 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] recompile default distro kernel? In-Reply-To: <1080138746.2219.27.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> (message from Mike Partyka on Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:32:26 -0600) References: <001e01c40f95$2691a740$0200a8c0@homer> <200403221923.i2MJN2V04277@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1080138746.2219.27.camel@coredump.stonepath.com> Message-ID: <200403242030.i2OKUav01084@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Mike Partyka wrote: >I booted into the 2.6.4-0-default kernel from SuSE and then went into >the kernel source directory /usr/src/kernel-2.6.4-0-default and ran "make >oldconfig" >Now doesn't that examine your running kernel and output a .config file? No. "make oldconfig" uses the .config in the root of the kernel source tree and allows you to select from the new options provided by the new kernel. If .config or .config.old doesn't exist, I believe "make olconfig" will copy the configuration from ./arch//defconfig. However, for SuSE at least, one could do the following to get the running kernel config into the current directory (kernel build directory): # cat /proc/config.gz | gunzip > .config Then select the new options with: # make oldconfig >I did get a .config from it and didn't change it a great deal, just >turned off the support for Floppy drives, and added the agpgart as well >as the agp_intel driver for my vid card. Did you compare the .config created to the running kernel's /proc/config.gz? >Then i ran "make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install" and >all seemed well until i rebooted, WOW, errors abound! And at some point >"kernel panic" well i was sunk so i booted to repair mode and ran the >automated fix and that got me going again. >I guess it's difficult to say really, what patches were applied to the >kernel referred to on my original attachment. Was i wrong in my thinking >of booting into the new kernel, (which mostly worked, but for an agpgart >error) and running "make oldconfig" to obtain a .config based on running >kernel? Please boot your old kernel and compare the uncompressed content of /proc/config.gz with the .config file generated with "make oldconfig". If they are significantly different, you may want to recreate your .config via: # cat /proc/config.gz | gunzip > .config # make oldconfig Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Mar 24 15:36:29 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies In-Reply-To: <01b001c411d8$190f0780$0a0a0a0a@DELL2> References: <33143.65.116.187.220.1079982836.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> <1080143730.4061af72281ad@joshwelch.com> <01b001c411d8$190f0780$0a0a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <35704.65.116.187.220.1080164189.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> If you have it running on an IPCop box, does it run on a SmoothWall box as well? > >> > Anyone have any recommendations for a proxy that is capable of ... >> > - Surfing (duh) >> > - Tracking. I want to see who goes where and for how long ... - >> Reporting. Be able to create reports showing who went where ... >> - Site blocking. I want to prevent users from accessing certain > sites >> > based on catagories. >> > >> > Any suggestions would be great. > > > We use squid with dansguardian for many school districts. Put it on an > IPCop box (less than 30Mb install).Add a few hacks and it is a perfect > solution for caching, content filter, user tracking, and management. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 24 15:45:52 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies References: <33143.65.116.187.220.1079982836.squirrel@mail.northlans.com><1080143730.4061af72281ad@joshwelch.com><01b001c411d8$190f0780$0a0a0a0a@DELL2> <35704.65.116.187.220.1080164189.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <006301c411e9$6158acb0$0a0a0a0a@DELL2> I'm sure, since Dansguardian is working with Smooth Wall in one way or another. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Streit" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Proxies > If you have it running on an IPCop box, does it run on a SmoothWall box as > well? > > > > >> > Anyone have any recommendations for a proxy that is capable of ... > >> > - Surfing (duh) > >> > - Tracking. I want to see who goes where and for how long ... - > >> Reporting. Be able to create reports showing who went where ... > >> - Site blocking. I want to prevent users from accessing certain > > sites > >> > based on catagories. > >> > > >> > Any suggestions would be great. > > > > > > We use squid with dansguardian for many school districts. Put it on an > > IPCop box (less than 30Mb install).Add a few hacks and it is a perfect > > solution for caching, content filter, user tracking, and management. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at techspresso.com Wed Mar 24 22:18:32 2004 From: mike at techspresso.com (Mike Gelhar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies In-Reply-To: <35704.65.116.187.220.1080164189.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: I would tend to think it would, although I have never tried. The commercial version of SmoothWall has a version of DanGuardian called SmoothGuardian built into it. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jim Streit Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:36 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Proxies If you have it running on an IPCop box, does it run on a SmoothWall box as well? > >> > Anyone have any recommendations for a proxy that is capable of ... >> > - Surfing (duh) >> > - Tracking. I want to see who goes where and for how long ... - >> Reporting. Be able to create reports showing who went where ... >> - Site blocking. I want to prevent users from accessing certain > sites >> > based on catagories. >> > >> > Any suggestions would be great. > > > We use squid with dansguardian for many school districts. Put it on an > IPCop box (less than 30Mb install).Add a few hacks and it is a perfect > solution for caching, content filter, user tracking, and management. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Mar 24 22:54:03 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video card replacement - looking for opinions Message-ID: <20040324225403.259443be.sfertch@real-time.com> So, my video card is dying on me... I can't load anything that puts a strain on it. Long story short, fan went out and the chip cooked. It's an nVidia GeForce4 ti4200. Has the dual output DVI/SVGA. It's a Chaintech that I bought a year ago from Nano. What I'm looking for is a card that is at least 128MB ram, AGP, and will work well both in Linux and XP. I do play a couple of games that are fairly graphic intensive both in XP and might be within Linux soon. I don't need any special connectors or encoders, even the DVI is a bit much. Thoughts, ideas? I've had pretty good luck with nVidia in the past, just that this time it's from the chip cooking. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 22:53:45 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proxies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406265D9.3060503@comcast.net> You can check the forums at Smoothwall.org and there is a write-up on implementing DansGuardian with the Smoothwall Express. There are some other neat "add ons" for Smoothwall. They are not "official", but since when is any Linux config really "official". That's the nature of the beast, never leave "good enough" alone. Mike Gelhar wrote: > I would tend to think it would, although I have never tried. The commercial > version of SmoothWall has a version of DanGuardian called SmoothGuardian > built into it. > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Mar 25 08:48:28 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video card replacement - looking for opinions In-Reply-To: <20040324225403.259443be.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040324225403.259443be.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4062F13C.3000608@druswanderings.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Shawn wrote: | So, my video card is dying on me... I can't load anything that puts a | strain on it. Long story short, fan went out and the chip cooked. | It's an nVidia GeForce4 ti4200. Has the dual output DVI/SVGA. It's a | Chaintech that I bought a year ago from Nano. | | What I'm looking for is a card that is at least 128MB ram, AGP, and I was loooking at the Chaintech FX5700-256 just last night. $139 isn't too shabby for a video card thats more powerful than the CPU in my secondary desktop box. In the end I had to cancel the cart; just can't swing it right now. Oh well, maybe next month. - -- The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F http://www.druswanderings.net Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAYvE8iwhv4FBqkV8RAgY3AKCzovM0iucnCyo5Jl9OI43pXLGRNwCgponD fAL5W0Y9h1sfmEEBiR4I0vk= =UpO1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Mar 25 08:52:43 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video card replacement - looking for opinions In-Reply-To: <20040324225403.259443be.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040324225403.259443be.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:54:03 -0600, Shawn wrote: > So, my video card is dying on me... I can't load anything that puts a > strain on it. Long story short, fan went out and the chip cooked. > It's an nVidia GeForce4 ti4200. Has the dual output DVI/SVGA. It's a > Chaintech that I bought a year ago from Nano. > > What I'm looking for is a card that is at least 128MB ram, AGP, and > will work well both in Linux and XP. I do play a couple of games that I got a $44 SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 7500LE Video Card, 128MB SDR, 128-bit, TV-Out, 4X AGP -OEM from new egg a while back (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-346&depa=0) I sure made america's army run smoother - I have it in a linux box too (I bought 2 of them). I have not done any real testing of it under linux - but I was able to get mythTV up on my monitor using this card... I have yet to toy with the tv out under linux though.... > are fairly graphic intensive both in XP and might be within Linux > soon. I don't need any special connectors or encoders, even the DVI > is a bit much. > > Thoughts, ideas? I've had pretty good luck with nVidia in the past, > just that this time it's from the chip cooking. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Mar 25 09:22:37 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever Message-ID: When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes like 1-2 minutes to verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There aren't any run away processes either. It also takes as long when using "su". I have no clue what's going on. Can anyone help? -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Mar 25 09:35:27 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4062FC3F.408@andersonfam.org> Josh Close wrote: > When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes like 1-2 minutes to > verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There aren't any run > away processes either. It also takes as long when using "su". I have no clue > what's going on. I've had this problem before when I didn't have to default gateway set correctly...I'm not sure if that's your problem, but you may want to check it out. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kc0itq at perrinetech.com Thu Mar 25 09:37:30 2004 From: kc0itq at perrinetech.com (Ian Boje) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Josh Close wrote: > When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes like 1-2 minutes to > verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There aren't any run > away processes either. It also takes as long when using "su". I have no clue > what's going on. I've seen something similar when there are issues with DNS. I think the computer was performing a reverse lookup of the client computer's IP address (for use in the log file, etc). Have you checked into that at all? - -- Ian Boje KC0ITQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFAYvy8eYi9Pai6l90RApIFAKDKEOXO5p1SqmgEjHHNOX7+1NNiRQCfUA5o 6PXbt8Y0KwoIFVfRtYNL5Po= =AGyA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Mar 25 09:49:22 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: authentication (logon) takes forever References: Message-ID: Josh Close writes: > When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes like 1-2 minutes to > verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There aren't any run > away processes either. It also takes as long when using "su". I have no clue > what's going on. is this a sparc by any chance? my sparcstations all have this problem, apparently sparcs suck at generating/working with ssh keys. really old x86s can have this problem as well (386s, 486s) -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Mar 25 09:50:56 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Would it do a reverse lookup when doing "su" though? -Josh -----Original Message----- From: Ian Boje [mailto:kc0itq@perrinetech.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:38 AM To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Josh Close wrote: > When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes like 1-2 minutes to > verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There aren't any run > away processes either. It also takes as long when using "su". I have no clue > what's going on. I've seen something similar when there are issues with DNS. I think the computer was performing a reverse lookup of the client computer's IP address (for use in the log file, etc). Have you checked into that at all? - -- Ian Boje KC0ITQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFAYvy8eYi9Pai6l90RApIFAKDKEOXO5p1SqmgEjHHNOX7+1NNiRQCfUA5o 6PXbt8Y0KwoIFVfRtYNL5Po= =AGyA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Mar 25 09:52:29 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever References: <4062FC3F.408@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <4063003D.8090706@structural-wood.com> Erik Anderson wrote: > Josh Close wrote: > >> When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes like 1-2 >> minutes to >> verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There aren't any >> run >> away processes either. It also takes as long when using "su". I have >> no clue >> what's going on. > > > I've had this problem before when I didn't have to default gateway set > correctly...I'm not sure if that's your problem, but you may want to > check it out. > > -Erik > Try the -4 argument to ssh (ssh -4 myotherbox). I haven't researched why this works, I only know that occasionally this fixes this specific problem. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Mar 25 09:54:28 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, It's a P3 1gig, not a sparc. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of nassarmu@redconcepts.net Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:49 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Re: authentication (logon) takes forever Josh Close writes: > When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes like 1-2 minutes to > verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There aren't any run > away processes either. It also takes as long when using "su". I have no clue > what's going on. is this a sparc by any chance? my sparcstations all have this problem, apparently sparcs suck at generating/working with ssh keys. really old x86s can have this problem as well (386s, 486s) -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Mar 25 10:05:38 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080230737.28082.39.camel@unixws1> If it's happening with SU when you're already logged in, then it's probably not a DNS issue (unless you're doing some sort of network authentication like NIS...) Munir, see: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-sparc/2002/03/09/0000.html I had a similar problem on an SS-20. On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 09:49, nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > Josh Close writes: > > > When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes like 1-2 minutes to > > verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There aren't any run > > away processes either. It also takes as long when using "su". I have no clue > > what's going on. > > is this a sparc by any chance? > > my sparcstations all have this problem, apparently sparcs suck at > generating/working with ssh keys. > > really old x86s can have this problem as well (386s, 486s) > > -- > Munir Nassar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Mar 25 10:18:57 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm using putty from windows to login, and I didn't see an option for ipv4 only. Also, this just started last week, so there must be a way to fix this. It does it when I do "su" also, so ipv4 wouldn't solve the "su" part of it. It's something to do with the password lookup I think. The login prompt comes right up, but after I enter the password it takes forever. -Josh -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kent Schumacher Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:52 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever Erik Anderson wrote: > Josh Close wrote: > >> When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes like 1-2 >> minutes to >> verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There aren't any >> run >> away processes either. It also takes as long when using "su". I have >> no clue >> what's going on. > > > I've had this problem before when I didn't have to default gateway set > correctly...I'm not sure if that's your problem, but you may want to > check it out. > > -Erik > Try the -4 argument to ssh (ssh -4 myotherbox). I haven't researched why this works, I only know that occasionally this fixes this specific problem. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Mar 25 10:35:50 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040325103550.A21765@belka.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 09:22:37AM -0600, Josh Close wrote: > When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes like 1-2 minutes to > verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There aren't any run > away processes either. It also takes as long when using "su". I have no clue > what's going on. Try ssh -v localhost to help pin down where it is hanging up. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Thu Mar 25 10:47:16 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It gets stuck in a few different places while trying to authenticate. OpenSSH_3.7p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0.9.6b [engine] 9 Jul 2001 debug1: Reading configuration data /root/.ssh/config debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Connecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/identity type 0 debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa type 1 debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: Remote protocol version 1.99, remote software version OpenSSH_3.7p1 debug1: match: OpenSSH_3.7p1 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.7p1 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY debug1: Host 'localhost' is known and matches the RSA host key. debug1: Found key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:25 debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interactive debug1: Next authentication method: publickey debug1: Offering public key: /root/.ssh/id_rsa #### stuck here #### debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-rsa blen 149 debug1: read PEM private key done: type RSA #### stuck here #### debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey). debug1: channel 0: new [client-session] debug1: Entering interactive session. Last login: Thu Mar 25 10:37:31 2004 from localhost.localdomain #### stuck here #### [root@domain root]# > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Crumley [mailto:crumley@belka.space.umn.edu] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:36 AM > To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 09:22:37AM -0600, Josh Close wrote: > > When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes > like 1-2 minutes to > > verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There > aren't any run > > away processes either. It also takes as long when using > "su". I have no clue > > what's going on. > > Try ssh -v localhost to help pin down where it is hanging up. > > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group > Mailing List (TCLUG) > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Mar 25 10:52:07 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > Josh Close writes: > > When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes like 1-2 minutes to > > verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There aren't any run > > away processes either. It also takes as long when using "su". I have no clue > > what's going on. > > is this a sparc by any chance? > > my sparcstations all have this problem, apparently sparcs suck at > generating/working with ssh keys. The sun4c series suck at it. Binaries optimized for sun4m or higher aren't too bad. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Mar 25 11:13:10 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video card replacement - looking for opinions In-Reply-To: <4062F13C.3000608@druswanderings.net> References: <20040324225403.259443be.sfertch@real-time.com> <4062F13C.3000608@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20040325111310.00001fad@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> I JUST picked up a 128MB card that I'm looking to get rid of. Never used, brand new. I was looking for a PCI card and accidentally picked up an AGP. Let me know if you want it. Josh On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:48:28 -0600 The Wandering Dru wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Shawn wrote: > | So, my video card is dying on me... I can't load anything that > puts a| strain on it. Long story short, fan went out and the chip > cooked.| It's an nVidia GeForce4 ti4200. Has the dual output > DVI/SVGA. It's a| Chaintech that I bought a year ago from Nano. > | > | What I'm looking for is a card that is at least 128MB ram, AGP, > and > > I was loooking at the Chaintech FX5700-256 just last night. $139 > isn't too shabby for a video card thats more powerful than the CPU > in my secondary desktop box. In the end I had to cancel the cart; > just can't swing it right now. > > Oh well, maybe next month. > > - -- > The Wandering Dru GnuPG Key: 0x506A915F > http://www.druswanderings.net > > Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! > http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAYvE8iwhv4FBqkV8RAgY3AKCzovM0iucnCyo5Jl9OI43pXLGRNwCgponD > fAL5W0Y9h1sfmEEBiR4I0vk= > =UpO1 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Mar 25 11:32:53 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video card replacement - looking for opinions Message-ID: What make and model? >>> josh@trutwins.homeip.net 03/25/04 11:13AM >>> I JUST picked up a 128MB card that I'm looking to get rid of. Never used, brand new. I was looking for a PCI card and accidentally picked up an AGP. Let me know if you want it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Mar 25 11:52:05 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video card replacement - looking for opinions In-Reply-To: References: <20040324225403.259443be.sfertch@real-time.com> <4062F13C.3000608@druswanderings.net> <20040325111310.00001fad@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040325115205.00003620@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:31:15 -0600 (CST) "natecars@real-time.com" wrote: > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > I JUST picked up a 128MB card that I'm looking to get rid of. > > Never used, brand new. I was looking for a PCI card and > > accidentally picked up an AGP. > > > > Let me know if you want it. > > What type of card did you pick up, and how much? I may be interested > if The Dru isn't. :) Yeah, that probably helps. :) Here's a link: http://www.acortech.com/.sc/ms/dd/1062381579124299/9/nc/Video%2520Card--Apollo/1099/Apollo%2520GEFORCE4%2520MX440%25208X%2520128MB%2520DDR%2520W%5E2FTV%2520AGP%2520VGA%2520CARD I paid $56.00 plus shipping which was the cheapest I could find this for on pricewatch.com. How's $40.00? I opened the package yesterday and cursed loudly when I saw the AGP connection, otherwise it's brand new. It was on pricewatch's PCI-only video card page because the description had "NOT PCI" instead of "AGP" in the description text. I'm in NW Minneapolis, pretty close to 94 and Dowling. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at MarkCourtney.com Thu Mar 25 12:14:39 2004 From: tclug at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] warning, got bogus tcp line Message-ID: <37616.66.62.202.30.1080238479.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I have a home-grown logging program that parses output from several system commands. Occasionally the line "warning, got bogus tcp line." is returned from this logging program. I've googled for this, but all I've learned is that "warning, got bogus tcp line." is an output from netstat. Does anybody know what the message "warning, got bogus tcp line." means? Thanks Mark Courtney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Mar 25 12:23:25 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: ; from josh@teamfreeze.com on Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 10:47:16AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040325122325.A10701@thinkunix.net> Josh Close wrote: > It gets stuck in a few different places while trying to authenticate. > > > OpenSSH_3.7p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0.9.6b [engine] 9 Jul 2001 <...snip...> > debug1: Next authentication method: publickey > debug1: Offering public key: /root/.ssh/id_rsa > #### > stuck here > #### > debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-rsa blen 149 > debug1: read PEM private key done: type RSA > #### > stuck here > #### > debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey). > debug1: channel 0: new [client-session] > debug1: Entering interactive session. > Last login: Thu Mar 25 10:37:31 2004 from localhost.localdomain > #### > stuck here > #### > [root@domain root]# A couple notes about security: 1. Your version of OpenSSL is old and there have been security updates. You should update. Check your vendor's website for an updated package. 2. You should never allow root to ssh in remotely. 3. If su(1) is slow, I'd recommened running chkrootkit to see what it thinks of your system. http://www.chkrootkit.org/ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Thu Mar 25 13:35:13 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080243313.40633471bab6f@joshwelch.com> Quoting Josh Close : > I'm using putty from windows to login, and I didn't see an option for ipv4 > only. Also, this just started last week, so there must be a way to fix this. > It does it when I do "su" also, so ipv4 wouldn't solve the "su" part of it. > It's something to do with the password lookup I think. The login prompt > comes right up, but after I enter the password it takes forever. > > -Josh > > You might want to try changing the setting for VerifyReverseMapping to no in your sshd, and/or set up reverse DNS mapping in /etc/hosts, just to verify this is not it. I suppose there could be an authentication bug, but it really sounds like rDNS. Also, you might want to look at the -d option for sshd and see about running sshd in debugging mode, maybe get some more output to make sense of what is happening. Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Mar 25 12:53:45 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403251853.i2PIrjw19247@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: IBM Laserprinter 4019E Older IBM laserprinter. PCL compatible. This printer worked when I put it in storage several years ago, but suffered from a toner spill and was creating streaks and smears on the printouts. A little cleanup should restore it to service. It's currently in the back of my car, and will get recycled if no one wants it. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Mar 25 14:39:12 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: authentication (logon) takes forever References: <1080230737.28082.39.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: Adam Maloney writes: > Munir, see: > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-sparc/2002/03/09/0000.html hmm... one is a SS-IPX, which is a sun4c iirc, the other one (ss10) is currently unused, once i figure out what to do with it i will prolly have to recompile openssl. thanks for the tip! -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Mar 25 15:57:55 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL Message-ID: <20040325155755.00005344@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> I just implemented IMAP over SSL using Courier IMAP and my client has two different SSL options for IMAP, one is STARTTLS the other is IMAP over SSL (sylpheed is my client) I am curious if anyone can sum up what the difference is between these two. As near as I can tell/guess with ethereal, IMAP over SSL is the exact same protocol as IMAP just on an SSL enabled port (993 typically) while STARTTLS is SSL encrypted, but on the IMAP port (143). But with STARTTLS is it a different protocol? Is the SMTP connection encrypted too? A google on this doesn't really provide much help. thx, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu Mar 25 16:25:23 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL In-Reply-To: <20040325155755.00005344@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040325155755.00005344@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <40635C53.3070700@cascopoint.com> Josh Trutwin wrote: >I just implemented IMAP over SSL using Courier IMAP and my client has two different SSL options for IMAP, one is STARTTLS the other is IMAP over SSL (sylpheed is my client) > >I am curious if anyone can sum up what the difference is between these two. > >As near as I can tell/guess with ethereal, IMAP over SSL is the exact same protocol as IMAP just on an SSL enabled port (993 typically) while STARTTLS is SSL encrypted, but on the IMAP port (143). But with STARTTLS is it a different protocol? Is the SMTP connection encrypted too? > > > it is not different its just a different port and handshake procedure. it basically connects to port 143 and after connecting start the SSL handshake by issuing a STARTTLS command. Which one is better? I guess no difference you just have to use whichever client/server supports. With IMAP its usually IMAPs, same with POP3, though with SMTP its usually STARTTLS. >A google on this doesn't really provide much help. > >thx, > >Josh > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Mar 25 16:23:40 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL In-Reply-To: <20040325155755.00005344@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040325155755.00005344@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <20040325162340.00002957@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:57:55 -0600 Josh Trutwin wrote: > I just implemented IMAP over SSL using Courier IMAP and my client > has two different SSL options for IMAP, one is STARTTLS the other is > IMAP over SSL (sylpheed is my client) > > I am curious if anyone can sum up what the difference is between > these two. > > As near as I can tell/guess with ethereal, IMAP over SSL is the > exact same protocol as IMAP just on an SSL enabled port (993 > typically) while STARTTLS is SSL encrypted, but on the IMAP port > (143). But with STARTTLS is it a different protocol? Is the SMTP > connection encrypted too? I figured out the last part of this question, it's no. Need to do additional work to speak SMTP STARTTLS. The rest is still up for grabs for TCLUGers though. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 25 16:27:54 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL In-Reply-To: <20040325155755.00005344@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040325155755.00005344@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Josh Trutwin wrote: > As near as I can tell/guess with ethereal, IMAP over SSL is the exact > same protocol as IMAP just on an SSL enabled port (993 typically) while > STARTTLS is SSL encrypted, but on the IMAP port (143). But with > STARTTLS is it a different protocol? Is the SMTP connection encrypted > too? TLS enables SSL negotiation over a clear-text channel. Once the TLS is initialized, it's just like a normal IMAP session. Neither one of these encrypts SMTP, but you can do SMTP over SSL or STARTTLS with SMTP, too. Note that most imap/smtp daemons will allow you to require TLS or SSL before allowing authentication - I always highly recommend doing that, so you don't get user/pass in the clear. You can also use MD5 authentication, but it's much more complicated to set up. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Thu Mar 25 16:35:40 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL Message-ID: >>> josh@trutwins.homeip.net 03/25/04 03:57PM >>> >I just implemented IMAP over SSL using Courier IMAP and my client has two different SSL options for IMAP, > one is STARTTLS the other is IMAP over SSL (sylpheed is my client) > I am curious if anyone can sum up what the difference is between these two. > As near as I can tell/guess with ethereal, IMAP over SSL is the exact same protocol as IMAP > just on an SSL enabled port (993 typically) while STARTTLS is SSL encrypted, but on the IMAP > port (143). But with STARTTLS is it a different protocol? Is the SMTP connection encrypted too? Sounds like a good basic summary. The key difference is that IMAPS is encrypted from the outset. IMAP with StartTLS allows you to connect first, then initiate encryption. >From a Courier perspective, with IMAPS, you are forcing anyone who connects to use encryption. If you use starttls, then you have the option to force encryption or simply allow it at the users discretion. Its a configuration option in the imap configuration file in your courier/etc directory (wherever that may be). I'm doing this from memory, since my courier server is at home. > A google on this doesn't really provide much help. HTH, Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Mar 25 16:47:48 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL References: <20040325155755.00005344@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: Josh Trutwin writes: > I just implemented IMAP over SSL using Courier IMAP and my client has > two different SSL options for IMAP, one is STARTTLS the other is IMAP over > SSL (sylpheed is my client) > > I am curious if anyone can sum up what the difference is between these two. both are IMAP, use the same commands and act the same way, the difference lies in where the encryption comes in. in IMAP over SSL(or IMAPS) the entire conversation is encrypted from beginning to end. encryption is negotiated as soon as a connection is attempted. while in the STARTTLS method it is only encrypted once the STARTTLS command is invoked. when this method is used authentication is usually only allowed once the ssl/tls connection is negotiated. to further distinguish them, IMAPs uses a new port 993, as is the custom whenever wrapping ssl/tls around a service. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Thu Mar 25 16:42:27 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL In-Reply-To: <20040325162340.00002957@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> References: <20040325155755.00005344@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> <20040325162340.00002957@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <40636053.7060308@cascopoint.com> Josh Trutwin wrote: >On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:57:55 -0600 >Josh Trutwin wrote: > > > >>I just implemented IMAP over SSL using Courier IMAP and my client >>has two different SSL options for IMAP, one is STARTTLS the other is >>IMAP over SSL (sylpheed is my client) >> >>I am curious if anyone can sum up what the difference is between >>these two. >> >>As near as I can tell/guess with ethereal, IMAP over SSL is the >>exact same protocol as IMAP just on an SSL enabled port (993 >>typically) while STARTTLS is SSL encrypted, but on the IMAP port >>(143). But with STARTTLS is it a different protocol? Is the SMTP >>connection encrypted too? >> >> > >I figured out the last part of this question, it's no. Need to do additional work to speak SMTP STARTTLS. The rest is still up for grabs for TCLUGers though. > > > yeah that is not enabled by default at least on RH. you read all about enabling it with sendmail http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/ dont know about other MTAs. >Josh > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Mar 25 20:00:14 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040325200014.00004ed0@schubert> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:35:40 -0600 "Bruce Broecker" wrote: > Sounds like a good basic summary. The key difference is that IMAPS > is encrypted from the outset. IMAP with StartTLS allows you to > connect first, then initiate encryption. > > >From a Courier perspective, with IMAPS, you are forcing anyone who > >connects to use encryption. > If you use starttls, then you have the option to force encryption or > simply allow it at the users discretion. Its a configuration option > in the imap configuration file in your courier/etc directory > (wherever that may be). I'm doing this from memory, since my courier > server is at home. Wow, thanks for the helpful replies. I see how to force TLS with Courier, but I think I'm too entrenched with naive users now to do this, unless clients automatically use it if forced? Who am I kidding, there are no clients (plural) they all use Outhouse. They all POP too, no one seems to know that IMAP even exists. Server side filters are so nice for Baysian spam learning. The MTA is qmail, I've found this to be what looks like the most maintained patch for STARTTLS SMTP: http://inoa.net/qmail-tls/ I've also thought about doing SMTP over stunnel, I guess you can also implement STARTTLS with a patch to stunnel as well. Anyone have any suggestions for STARTTLS and qmail? Use postfix/exim is an execptable though not useful answer. :) One last question while I have everyone's attention. I now have my mail toaster running the following: SMTP (duh) IMAP (courier) POP (qmail-pop3d) POPS (qmail-pop3sd with mailfront) IMAPS (courier) IMAP STARTTLS (courier) SMTP AUTH (qmail-smtpd with mailfront) Selective Relaying (POP before SMTP) with mailfront/relay-ctrl SMTP level anti-virus rejection with mailfront Full spam and anti-virus level rejection with qmail-scanner / clamav / spamassassin The only thing I think I am missing is APOP and SPF support. Do people use these? SPF seems to be a hot topic, at least on the qmail list. Any thoughts? I'm currently in the works on a huge html document to describe step-by-step how to setup the above with qmail. I'll share with the list when I'm done. Lastly, am I correct in assuming that ESMTP is the same as SMTP AUTH? Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Mar 25 20:13:57 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL References: <20040325155755.00005344@jtrutwinxp.ntbsi.bsi.corp> Message-ID: <004b01c412d7$ff05df20$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Trutwin writes: > I just implemented IMAP over SSL using Courier IMAP I'd like to point out some great software that I have recently started using: http://bincimap.org/ Binc IMAP impressed me by being much easier to setup than Courier and supporting checkpassword instead of a more complex approach. I used Courier for several years, but now use Binc IMAP. I prefer to do SSL in a separate process, rather than building it into the application. stunnel works well for this. The advantage of doing this is security. Not having built in SSL support means the application can be simpler and doesn't have to link with the insecure OpenSSL library. Keeping the SSL in a separate process prevents a security hole from compromising the main application. I'd rather not use OpenSSL at all, due to it's security history, but I don't know of anything comparable to stunnel that uses a secure SSL library. An stunnel replacement for GnuTLS would be nice. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Mar 25 20:49:31 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL References: <20040325200014.00004ed0@schubert> Message-ID: <001201c412dc$f7248f90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Josh Trutwin writes: > The MTA is qmail, I've found this to be what looks like the most > maintained patch for STARTTLS SMTP: http://inoa.net/qmail-tls/ Don't use that. See my last post about security. Compile something insecure like OpenSSL into qmail and you'll make it as secure as Sendmail. > I've also thought about doing SMTP over stunnel, I guess you can also > implement STARTTLS with a patch to stunnel as well. Using stunnel or sslserver (both use OpenSSL) is much better than compiling SSL into qmail. sslserver might work better as it has all the tcpserver features. That method will work fine with Outlook Express. > Anyone have any > suggestions for STARTTLS and qmail? Until Dan Bernstein writes an SSL implemenation, don't do it. > The only thing I think I am missing is APOP and SPF support. Do > people use these? This checkpassword implementation claims to support APOP. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it, as anyone who cares will likely be using SSL: http://checkpw.sourceforge.net/checkpw/ > SPF seems to be a hot topic, at least on the qmail > list. Any thoughts? I you haven't already read this, do so now: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/antispam.html Understand that most people who talk about spam don't really know how it works. > I'm currently in the works on a huge html > document to describe step-by-step how to setup the above with qmail. > I'll share with the list when I'm done. There are several of those out there already. Make sure you follow the "Life with qmail" method, post it to the qmail mailing list and you might get some good feedback. > Lastly, am I correct in assuming that ESMTP is the same as SMTP AUTH? No. ESMTP is a string used by an SMTP server's initial greeting that indicates it supports SMTP Service Extensions (i.e. it supports EHLO). SMTP AUTH is only one extension. http://cr.yp.to/smtp/greeting.html http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1869.txt -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Mar 25 21:54:41 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL In-Reply-To: <001201c412dc$f7248f90$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20040325200014.00004ed0@schubert> <001201c412dc$f7248f90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20040325215441.000033b3@schubert> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:49:31 -0600 "David Phillips" wrote: > Josh Trutwin writes: > > The MTA is qmail, I've found this to be what looks like the most > > maintained patch for STARTTLS SMTP: http://inoa.net/qmail-tls/ > > Don't use that. See my last post about security. Compile something > insecure like OpenSSL into qmail and you'll make it as secure as > Sendmail. That was my exact concern. I hate all these qmail patches floating around. Some seem like misguided science projects and don't ever get updated. I'm glad the qmail community has started the netqmail distribution with only the patches recommended by the gurus. (Cazabon, Sill, etc.) > Using stunnel or sslserver (both use OpenSSL) is much better than > compiling SSL into qmail. sslserver might work better as it has all > the tcpserver features. That method will work fine with Outlook > Express. By sslserver you mean ucspi-ssl right? I have this doing my pop3s already. For any of this stuff I like to compile openssl from source that way the minute a security vulnerability is found I don't have to wait for distros. > > Anyone have any > > suggestions for STARTTLS and qmail? > > Until Dan Bernstein writes an SSL implemenation, don't do it. :) I know a lot of people want him to do this, don't think it's on his list though. I think he's being pressed to write an ssh client/server too. > > I'm currently in the works on a huge html > > document to describe step-by-step how to setup the above with > > qmail. I'll share with the list when I'm done. > > There are several of those out there already. Make sure you follow > the"Life with qmail" method, post it to the qmail mailing list and > you might get some good feedback. It's mainly for my own use, I realize that there are tons of qmail toaster docs out there, but with the dozens (literally) of pieces that it takes to make a full fledged email system, my sticky notes are just not cutting it. :) If it happens to help someone else gain insight, well, all the better. As far as LWQ, I definately follow it to the tee, it's a no-miss guaruntee to setup a secure closed relay qmail system. I actually bought Sill's book, The Qmail Handbook, which is LWQ and then some. Good stuff. I guess there's now an O'Reilly book out as well: http://qmail.gurus.com > > Lastly, am I correct in assuming that ESMTP is the same as SMTP > > AUTH? > > No. ESMTP is a string used by an SMTP server's initial greeting > that indicates it supports SMTP Service Extensions (i.e. it supports > EHLO). SMTP AUTH is only one extension. > > http://cr.yp.to/smtp/greeting.html > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1869.txt Ok, thanks for the clarification. As far as your other post about BincIMAP goes, I did download it, started the installation process, then just kind of fizzled. I'm hoping to move my home server to Binc and try it out for a while. I haven't had any problems with Courier until this last version came out. My IMAP requirements are: 1.) Needs to support IMAP before SMTP relaying using relay-ctrl 2.) Needs to support IMAPS / STARTTLS or use sslserver 3.) Needs to support authenticating from vmailmgr, mysql, PAM 4.) Needs to work well with Squirrelmail and/or Horde/IMP Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Mar 26 05:53:02 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Video card replacement - looking for opinions In-Reply-To: <20040324225403.259443be.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040324225403.259443be.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040326055302.46bede2c.sfertch@real-time.com> Thanks for some of the recommendations. I went out and purchased an MSI FX5700 video card last night after work. Loaded the nVidia drivers and it seems to be working just fine. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Mar 26 09:04:52 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] STARTTLS vs IMAP SSL Message-ID: >>> david@acz.org 03/25/04 08:49PM >>> >Until Dan Bernstein writes an SSL implemenation, don't do it. Cult of personality? ;-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gordsiff at copper.net Fri Mar 26 13:17:59 2004 From: gordsiff at copper.net (gordsiff@copper.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian 3.0r2 CD set (i386 ) Message-ID: <80490-220043526191759214@copper.net> I'm a newbie to Linux and am looking for a place in town (Mls/St.Paul) where I can get the 7 disc Debian Woody (3.0r2) CD set from. I see that there are a lot of places on-line where I can order and get them, but would love to drive over somewhere and buy them if possible? Thanks, -Gordy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 26 14:49:56 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian 3.0r2 CD set (i386 ) In-Reply-To: <80490-220043526191759214@copper.net> References: <80490-220043526191759214@copper.net> Message-ID: <20040326204956.GB9947@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Fri Mar 26 16:28:40 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba/winbind authentication with active directory Message-ID: Ok, since I can't get auth_ldap working, I though I'd try authentication with samba and winbind. I figure if the user can login the linux box with their domain account, then it should work the same with apache. Can anyone possibly point me in the right direction for this? -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Mar 26 17:05:51 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba/winbind authentication with active directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040326170551.043aaddc.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:28:40 -0600 "Josh Close" wrote: > Ok, since I can't get auth_ldap working, I though I'd try > authentication with samba and winbind. I figure if the user can > login the linux box with their domain account, then it should work > the same with apache. > > Can anyone possibly point me in the right direction for this? > I went thru that not that long ago myself. I'll see if I can get the main part of my smb.conf file posted. Basically, you need to have winbind running. It needs to have a range of users defined that aren't local to the system or to the domain. You have to start winbind before you can start samba. I dont recall if I posted up my resolution to it. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at system-now.com Fri Mar 26 17:24:43 2004 From: admin at system-now.com (Joe Braun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian 3.0r2 CD set (i386 ) References: <80490-220043526191759214@copper.net> <20040326204956.GB9947@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <002801c41389$85848b80$1102a8c0@kendahl> I can burn CD's for $5 a piece and you can drive over and pick them up in Blaine MN. I will deliver anywhere in the 7 county metro for $32. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Walstrom" To: Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Debian 3.0r2 CD set (i386 ) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sat Mar 27 00:55:44 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <200403201639.i2KGdHh07681@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <200403201639.i2KGdHh07681@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1080370542.23231.67.camel@bigtime> > You could start with 256MB swap space and add swap partitions as needed. > However, keep in mind that modern hard drives have about twice the > performance on the outer cylinders than the inner cylinders, so try to > position swap space near the beginning of the drive for better swapping > performance. Swap should also be close to often used filesystems. Best > yet, is put swap on its own drive. Not really a good idea for the vast majority of systems these days, which tend have plenty of RAM for the load upon them and thus swap rarely. Think about it, once you're swapping, you've already lost the game of performance, so why waste the speedy outer cylinders on swap? Its going to be better for overall system performance to use the outer cylinders for your filesystem, and use the slow inner cylinders for swap. On the typical 512mb+ RAM desktop systems these days, even with as bloaty as GNOME/KDE can be, you're not going to be swapping enough to warrant wasting your outer cylinders on swap. If your system really is swapping hard enough to warrant putting swap on the outer cylinders, meaning a vast majority of your disk IO bandwidth on a given disk is dominated by swapping traffic, you really ought to be buying more RAM anyway. Its so cheap after all! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sat Mar 27 00:56:05 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <20040320144555.GB23296@refried.org> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <20040320144555.GB23296@refried.org> Message-ID: <1080370563.23231.69.camel@bigtime> On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 08:45, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 10:14:41PM -0600, Todd Young wrote: > > I read somewhere that your swap space should be double your RAM up to > > 512MB, but I can't remember if that meant up to 512MB of RAM or 512MB of > > swap. > > IIRC, that was for 2.4.x kernels prior to 2.4.10. It's not the case > anymore. It used to be that less than 1-2x swap would behave badly, and it was recommended to just not have swap at all if you didn't want to allocate this much. No idea whats going on anymore. But then up until recently, when running without swap, the OOM killer would misbehave and start killing processes when there was no real reason to do so. I was getting hit by this a lot myself. I'd barely be using %50 of my 640mb of RAM and the OOM would kick in and it usually seemed to prefer X as its victim. ;P Recent kernels fix this by not even compiling in the OOM killer by default... > The amount of swap depends on how much you're going to oversubscribe > your system. I typically use equal swap and RAM. Although if you have > more than a few GB of memory, you probably don't want to give up that > much disk space to swap. Personally for 128mb RAM and over I just use 256mb swap period. Haven't had a problem, my systems rarely use any swap at all anyway. I had to start using some amount of swap because of the OOM killer bug, but now that thats been ripped out I suppose I could try going without again... However a new consideration is suspend to disk. Been playing with it on my laptop and its nifty. It even has uses for servers. Power gone out? Only 5 minutes left on your UPS? Suspend to disk and preserve your uptime... :) Haven't seen any guidelines written but common sense says you probably want equal swap to your RAM, but since it doesn't bother saving the block cache and v2 supports compression you can actually get away with less. My 144mb laptop with GNOME loaded only ends up saving a 40mb image... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Sat Mar 27 13:17:42 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040327191742.GA51604@nan2d.com> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sun Mar 28 01:01:49 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <1080370542.23231.67.camel@bigtime> (message from Callum Lerwick on Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:55:44 -0600) References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <200403201639.i2KGdHh07681@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1080370542.23231.67.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <200403280701.i2S71nC13940@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Please read this: What follows (my reasoning - not Callum's) is not much more that "hand waving" arguments for various rules of thumb for swap partition allocation. The best way to evaluate swap partition location is by duplicating actual production loads on various swap/filesystem partition maps and seeing experimentally which is best for a particular mix of applications. Ken Fuchs wrote: >> You could start with 256MB swap space and add swap partitions as needed. >> However, keep in mind that modern hard drives have about twice the >> performance on the outer cylinders than the inner cylinders, so try to >> position swap space near the beginning of the drive for better swapping >> performance. Swap should also be close to often used filesystems. Best >> yet, is put swap on its own drive. Callum Lerwick wrote: >Not really a good idea for the vast majority of systems these days, >which tend have plenty of RAM for the load upon them and thus swap >rarely. Think about it, once you're swapping, you've already lost the >game of performance, so why waste the speedy outer cylinders on swap? >Its going to be better for overall system performance to use the outer >cylinders for your filesystem, and use the slow inner cylinders for >swap. I respectfully disagree with the suggestion to locate swap space at the end of a drive. Swap space is generally a small percentage of total disk space when using 9GB or larger drives (4GB drives are the smallest I would use on almost any system). 512MB of swap space is large enough for the vast majority of systems. Placing swap at the beginning (BEGIN-SWAP) of a 9GB drive versus the end (END-SWAP) of it means about twice as much swap performance. +--+--------------------------------------------------+ BEGIN-SWAP |SS| PARTITIONED FILESYSTEM SPACE | +--+--------------------------------------------------+ +--------------------------------------------------+--+ END-SWAP | PARTITIONED FILESYSTEM SPACE |SS| +--------------------------------------------------+--+ In both BEGIN-SWAP and END-SWAP, the performance of the central 8.0 GB of the 9GB drive can be considered a constant and the performance of the remaining 512MB of filesystem is the differentiating factor. This 512MB of filesystem space at the beginning of END-SWAP is of course twice that of the 512MB of filesystem space at the end of BEGIN-SWAP. Thus, using END-SWAP as the comparison standard (performance factor = 1), the relative filesystem performance of the PARTITIONED FILESYSTEM SPACE of BEGIN-SWAP is 8 GB * 1 + 0.5 GB * 0.5 / 8.5 GB = 0.97. Thus, the BEGIN-SWAP positioning provides 512MB of swap space that is 2 times as fast as END-SWAP and BEGIN-SWAP positioning provides 8.5 GB of filesystem space that is 0.97 times as fast as END-SWAP. My conclusion: If swap is not ever going to be used, don't allocate any swap partitions. If swap is allocated as in the BEGIN-SWAP drive map, the swap's 2x performance versus END-SWAP will delay disk trashing due to swapping. Note that it makes sense to put the most often used filesystems near the beginning of the drive (since the outer cylinders perform better than the inner). Now, for a second reason, swap at the beginning of the drive is better because the actuator moves across fewer cylinders between the swap partition and the highly used filesystem partitions near the beginning of the drive. The above analysis assumes that if swap is needed its performance is more critical to overall system performance than any filesystem. If this is not the case, then clearly Callum's suggestion of placing swap at the end of the drive has merit (assuming swap performance is less important than the performance of all filesystems). However, for best swap and filesystem performance, given only one drive to use, it may be best to place a small swap partition between every filesystem partition. This allows the kernel to select a swap partition on swap out based on "actuator position" and perhaps other factors. Without doubt, a much better location for swap is a high performance drive dedicated exclusively for swap (which was already suggested above). Thus, swap and filesystems would have their own dedicated disk. There are of course more complicated multiple disk arrangements such as RAID that provide even better performance, but they are not generally used on single user workstation. Even, a simple, dual drive system with both swap and filesystem partitions on both drives can be easily arranged to outperform one disk dedicated to swap and another dedicated to filesystems. >On the typical 512mb+ RAM desktop systems these days, even with as >bloaty as GNOME/KDE can be, you're not going to be swapping enough to >warrant wasting your outer cylinders on swap. That may be true, depending on application load. However, the more RAM a system has the less swap it needs. Even a 512MB swap at the beginning of a 9GB drive degrades filesystem performance on the rest of the drive by only 3%. If 512MB is too big, use 256MB (2% filesystem degradation) or 128MB (1% filesystem degradation) swap at the beginning of the drive or make smaller swap partition throughout the entire drive. If there is so much RAM that swap would never be used don't allocate swap space at all or reallocate swap space for filesystem use. Filesystem degradation is 3% due to placing 512MB swap at the beginning of a 9GB drive versus placing swap at the end. This seems to be a small price to pay for swap that is twice as fast. Even if that 2x speed swap is not needed, the penalty is only 3%. This penalty will not even affect system performance unless the system is already close to being I/O bound. Most often, desktop systems are "user" bound (waiting for user mouse and keyboard input). In any case, the warm fuzzy feeling of having 2x swap in case one needs it, probably out weights the 3% penalty hit to filesystem performance for the vast majority of users. >If your system really is swapping hard enough to warrant putting swap on >the outer cylinders, meaning a vast majority of your disk IO bandwidth >on a given disk is dominated by swapping traffic, you really ought to be >buying more RAM anyway. Its so cheap after all! Yes, if your disk(s) are trashing, you need more RAM or a higher performing arrangement of swap and filesystem partitions. Remember that Disk I/O bandwidth due to swapping will be reduced by half by using the outer disk cylinders versus the inner disk cylinders, assuming that the outer cylinders perform twice as fast as the inner cylinders which is very often true (or close to the truth depending on the actual disk drive used). ------ Finally, since swap space is a part of the virtual memory system it would be generally best to use the fastest partition on a disk drive to help emulate memory. There should be a good reason to not use the fastest partition on a disk drive such as distributing swap space throughout the entire disk when all filesystems are utilized about the same amount and the actuator could be anywhere at any given moment rather than near the often used swap and filesystems at the beginning of the drive. Alternatively, if actuator position becomes a dominant factor, swap (or some of it) in the middle of the drive may be better than all swap at the beginning or end. Anyone who has read this far into this message deserves an award of some sort and may have enough energy left to search for research on this subject and report it to the list. Perhaps, we might all learn something more in the process and be subjected to fewer ramblings such as the one I've just written above. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Mar 28 06:06:35 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <200403280701.i2S71nC13940@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <200403201639.i2KGdHh07681@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1080370542.23231.67.camel@bigtime> <200403280701.i2S71nC13940@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1080475595.1083.20.camel@angband> Looks like following what Red Hat, Gentoo, Debian, or other distribution says to use for swap space is the right course of action. It's not to much or to little space for the machine to run at it's best. With todays huge hard disks, even laptop hard disks, it's really a null or moot point. Create what is suggested by the good folks that have done the testing. At least for the home penguin head... Sam On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 02:01, Ken Fuchs wrote: > Please read this: > > What follows (my reasoning - not Callum's) is not much more that "hand > waving" arguments for various rules of thumb for swap partition > allocation. The best way to evaluate swap partition location is by > duplicating actual production loads on various swap/filesystem partition > maps and seeing experimentally which is best for a particular mix of > applications. > > Ken Fuchs wrote: > > >> You could start with 256MB swap space and add swap partitions as needed. > >> However, keep in mind that modern hard drives have about twice the > >> performance on the outer cylinders than the inner cylinders, so try to > >> position swap space near the beginning of the drive for better swapping > >> performance. Swap should also be close to often used filesystems. Best > >> yet, is put swap on its own drive. > > Callum Lerwick wrote: > > >Not really a good idea for the vast majority of systems these days, > >which tend have plenty of RAM for the load upon them and thus swap > >rarely. Think about it, once you're swapping, you've already lost the > >game of performance, so why waste the speedy outer cylinders on swap? > >Its going to be better for overall system performance to use the outer > >cylinders for your filesystem, and use the slow inner cylinders for > >swap. > > I respectfully disagree with the suggestion to locate swap space at the > end of a drive. Swap space is generally a small percentage of total > disk space when using 9GB or larger drives (4GB drives are the smallest > I would use on almost any system). 512MB of swap space is large enough > for the vast majority of systems. Placing swap at the beginning > (BEGIN-SWAP) of a 9GB drive versus the end (END-SWAP) of it means about > twice as much swap performance. > > +--+--------------------------------------------------+ > BEGIN-SWAP |SS| PARTITIONED FILESYSTEM SPACE | > +--+--------------------------------------------------+ > > +--------------------------------------------------+--+ > END-SWAP | PARTITIONED FILESYSTEM SPACE |SS| > +--------------------------------------------------+--+ > > In both BEGIN-SWAP and END-SWAP, the performance of the central 8.0 GB > of the 9GB drive can be considered a constant and the performance of the > remaining 512MB of filesystem is the differentiating factor. This 512MB > of filesystem space at the beginning of END-SWAP is of course twice that > of the 512MB of filesystem space at the end of BEGIN-SWAP. Thus, using > END-SWAP as the comparison standard (performance factor = 1), the > relative filesystem performance of the PARTITIONED FILESYSTEM SPACE of > BEGIN-SWAP is 8 GB * 1 + 0.5 GB * 0.5 / 8.5 GB = 0.97. > > Thus, the BEGIN-SWAP positioning provides 512MB of swap space that is 2 > times as fast as END-SWAP and BEGIN-SWAP positioning provides 8.5 GB of > filesystem space that is 0.97 times as fast as END-SWAP. > > My conclusion: If swap is not ever going to be used, don't allocate any > swap partitions. If swap is allocated as in the BEGIN-SWAP drive map, > the swap's 2x performance versus END-SWAP will delay disk trashing due > to swapping. Note that it makes sense to put the most often used > filesystems near the beginning of the drive (since the outer cylinders > perform better than the inner). Now, for a second reason, swap at the > beginning of the drive is better because the actuator moves across fewer > cylinders between the swap partition and the highly used filesystem > partitions near the beginning of the drive. > > The above analysis assumes that if swap is needed its performance is > more critical to overall system performance than any filesystem. If > this is not the case, then clearly Callum's suggestion of placing swap > at the end of the drive has merit (assuming swap performance is less > important than the performance of all filesystems). > > However, for best swap and filesystem performance, given only one drive > to use, it may be best to place a small swap partition between every > filesystem partition. This allows the kernel to select a swap partition > on swap out based on "actuator position" and perhaps other factors. > > Without doubt, a much better location for swap is a high performance > drive dedicated exclusively for swap (which was already suggested above). > Thus, swap and filesystems would have their own dedicated disk. There > are of course more complicated multiple disk arrangements such as RAID > that provide even better performance, but they are not generally used on > single user workstation. Even, a simple, dual drive system with both > swap and filesystem partitions on both drives can be easily arranged to > outperform one disk dedicated to swap and another dedicated to > filesystems. > > >On the typical 512mb+ RAM desktop systems these days, even with as > >bloaty as GNOME/KDE can be, you're not going to be swapping enough to > >warrant wasting your outer cylinders on swap. > > That may be true, depending on application load. However, the more RAM > a system has the less swap it needs. Even a 512MB swap at the beginning > of a 9GB drive degrades filesystem performance on the rest of the drive > by only 3%. If 512MB is too big, use 256MB (2% filesystem degradation) > or 128MB (1% filesystem degradation) swap at the beginning of the drive > or make smaller swap partition throughout the entire drive. If there is > so much RAM that swap would never be used don't allocate swap space at > all or reallocate swap space for filesystem use. > > Filesystem degradation is 3% due to placing 512MB swap at the beginning > of a 9GB drive versus placing swap at the end. This seems to be a small > price to pay for swap that is twice as fast. Even if that 2x speed swap > is not needed, the penalty is only 3%. This penalty will not even > affect system performance unless the system is already close to being > I/O bound. Most often, desktop systems are "user" bound (waiting for > user mouse and keyboard input). In any case, the warm fuzzy feeling of > having 2x swap in case one needs it, probably out weights the 3% > penalty hit to filesystem performance for the vast majority of users. > > >If your system really is swapping hard enough to warrant putting swap on > >the outer cylinders, meaning a vast majority of your disk IO bandwidth > >on a given disk is dominated by swapping traffic, you really ought to be > >buying more RAM anyway. Its so cheap after all! > > Yes, if your disk(s) are trashing, you need more RAM or a higher > performing arrangement of swap and filesystem partitions. Remember > that Disk I/O bandwidth due to swapping will be reduced by half by using > the outer disk cylinders versus the inner disk cylinders, assuming that > the outer cylinders perform twice as fast as the inner cylinders which > is very often true (or close to the truth depending on the actual disk > drive used). > > ------ > > Finally, since swap space is a part of the virtual memory system it > would be generally best to use the fastest partition on a disk drive to > help emulate memory. There should be a good reason to not use the > fastest partition on a disk drive such as distributing swap space > throughout the entire disk when all filesystems are utilized about the > same amount and the actuator could be anywhere at any given moment > rather than near the often used swap and filesystems at the beginning of > the drive. > > Alternatively, if actuator position becomes a dominant factor, swap (or > some of it) in the middle of the drive may be better than all swap at > the beginning or end. > > Anyone who has read this far into this message deserves an award of some > sort and may have enough energy left to search for research on this > subject and report it to the list. Perhaps, we might all learn > something more in the process and be subjected to fewer ramblings such > as the one I've just written above. > > Sincerely, > > Ken Fuchs > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Mar 28 06:15:29 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <200403280701.i2S71nC13940@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <200403201639.i2KGdHh07681@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1080370542.23231.67.camel@bigtime> <200403280701.i2S71nC13940@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1080476129.1089.30.camel@angband> I've always created the file systems /boot & /root then /swap. /boot may not be necessary but I it helps me keep track of where I can find things when I'm changing grub or lilo. Even with M$ I create the C: for the system and D: for applications and data. Keeping in mind that the pagefile needs plenty of space on C: and or D:. If I'm running a 2 disk system where should the swap space be hda or hdb, and would running a separate disk for the swap space be the best way to improve performance in a server type system? Sam. On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 02:01, Ken Fuchs wrote: > Please read this: > > What follows (my reasoning - not Callum's) is not much more that "hand > waving" arguments for various rules of thumb for swap partition > allocation. The best way to evaluate swap partition location is by > duplicating actual production loads on various swap/filesystem partition > maps and seeing experimentally which is best for a particular mix of > applications. > > Ken Fuchs wrote: > > >> You could start with 256MB swap space and add swap partitions as needed. > >> However, keep in mind that modern hard drives have about twice the > >> performance on the outer cylinders than the inner cylinders, so try to > >> position swap space near the beginning of the drive for better swapping > >> performance. Swap should also be close to often used filesystems. Best > >> yet, is put swap on its own drive. > > Callum Lerwick wrote: > > >Not really a good idea for the vast majority of systems these days, > >which tend have plenty of RAM for the load upon them and thus swap > >rarely. Think about it, once you're swapping, you've already lost the > >game of performance, so why waste the speedy outer cylinders on swap? > >Its going to be better for overall system performance to use the outer > >cylinders for your filesystem, and use the slow inner cylinders for > >swap. > > I respectfully disagree with the suggestion to locate swap space at the > end of a drive. Swap space is generally a small percentage of total > disk space when using 9GB or larger drives (4GB drives are the smallest > I would use on almost any system). 512MB of swap space is large enough > for the vast majority of systems. Placing swap at the beginning > (BEGIN-SWAP) of a 9GB drive versus the end (END-SWAP) of it means about > twice as much swap performance. > > +--+--------------------------------------------------+ > BEGIN-SWAP |SS| PARTITIONED FILESYSTEM SPACE | > +--+--------------------------------------------------+ > > +--------------------------------------------------+--+ > END-SWAP | PARTITIONED FILESYSTEM SPACE |SS| > +--------------------------------------------------+--+ > > In both BEGIN-SWAP and END-SWAP, the performance of the central 8.0 GB > of the 9GB drive can be considered a constant and the performance of the > remaining 512MB of filesystem is the differentiating factor. This 512MB > of filesystem space at the beginning of END-SWAP is of course twice that > of the 512MB of filesystem space at the end of BEGIN-SWAP. Thus, using > END-SWAP as the comparison standard (performance factor = 1), the > relative filesystem performance of the PARTITIONED FILESYSTEM SPACE of > BEGIN-SWAP is 8 GB * 1 + 0.5 GB * 0.5 / 8.5 GB = 0.97. > > Thus, the BEGIN-SWAP positioning provides 512MB of swap space that is 2 > times as fast as END-SWAP and BEGIN-SWAP positioning provides 8.5 GB of > filesystem space that is 0.97 times as fast as END-SWAP. > > My conclusion: If swap is not ever going to be used, don't allocate any > swap partitions. If swap is allocated as in the BEGIN-SWAP drive map, > the swap's 2x performance versus END-SWAP will delay disk trashing due > to swapping. Note that it makes sense to put the most often used > filesystems near the beginning of the drive (since the outer cylinders > perform better than the inner). Now, for a second reason, swap at the > beginning of the drive is better because the actuator moves across fewer > cylinders between the swap partition and the highly used filesystem > partitions near the beginning of the drive. > > The above analysis assumes that if swap is needed its performance is > more critical to overall system performance than any filesystem. If > this is not the case, then clearly Callum's suggestion of placing swap > at the end of the drive has merit (assuming swap performance is less > important than the performance of all filesystems). > > However, for best swap and filesystem performance, given only one drive > to use, it may be best to place a small swap partition between every > filesystem partition. This allows the kernel to select a swap partition > on swap out based on "actuator position" and perhaps other factors. > > Without doubt, a much better location for swap is a high performance > drive dedicated exclusively for swap (which was already suggested above). > Thus, swap and filesystems would have their own dedicated disk. There > are of course more complicated multiple disk arrangements such as RAID > that provide even better performance, but they are not generally used on > single user workstation. Even, a simple, dual drive system with both > swap and filesystem partitions on both drives can be easily arranged to > outperform one disk dedicated to swap and another dedicated to > filesystems. > > >On the typical 512mb+ RAM desktop systems these days, even with as > >bloaty as GNOME/KDE can be, you're not going to be swapping enough to > >warrant wasting your outer cylinders on swap. > > That may be true, depending on application load. However, the more RAM > a system has the less swap it needs. Even a 512MB swap at the beginning > of a 9GB drive degrades filesystem performance on the rest of the drive > by only 3%. If 512MB is too big, use 256MB (2% filesystem degradation) > or 128MB (1% filesystem degradation) swap at the beginning of the drive > or make smaller swap partition throughout the entire drive. If there is > so much RAM that swap would never be used don't allocate swap space at > all or reallocate swap space for filesystem use. > > Filesystem degradation is 3% due to placing 512MB swap at the beginning > of a 9GB drive versus placing swap at the end. This seems to be a small > price to pay for swap that is twice as fast. Even if that 2x speed swap > is not needed, the penalty is only 3%. This penalty will not even > affect system performance unless the system is already close to being > I/O bound. Most often, desktop systems are "user" bound (waiting for > user mouse and keyboard input). In any case, the warm fuzzy feeling of > having 2x swap in case one needs it, probably out weights the 3% > penalty hit to filesystem performance for the vast majority of users. > > >If your system really is swapping hard enough to warrant putting swap on > >the outer cylinders, meaning a vast majority of your disk IO bandwidth > >on a given disk is dominated by swapping traffic, you really ought to be > >buying more RAM anyway. Its so cheap after all! > > Yes, if your disk(s) are trashing, you need more RAM or a higher > performing arrangement of swap and filesystem partitions. Remember > that Disk I/O bandwidth due to swapping will be reduced by half by using > the outer disk cylinders versus the inner disk cylinders, assuming that > the outer cylinders perform twice as fast as the inner cylinders which > is very often true (or close to the truth depending on the actual disk > drive used). > > ------ > > Finally, since swap space is a part of the virtual memory system it > would be generally best to use the fastest partition on a disk drive to > help emulate memory. There should be a good reason to not use the > fastest partition on a disk drive such as distributing swap space > throughout the entire disk when all filesystems are utilized about the > same amount and the actuator could be anywhere at any given moment > rather than near the often used swap and filesystems at the beginning of > the drive. > > Alternatively, if actuator position becomes a dominant factor, swap (or > some of it) in the middle of the drive may be better than all swap at > the beginning or end. > > Anyone who has read this far into this message deserves an award of some > sort and may have enough energy left to search for research on this > subject and report it to the list. Perhaps, we might all learn > something more in the process and be subjected to fewer ramblings such > as the one I've just written above. > > Sincerely, > > Ken Fuchs > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Mar 28 07:31:17 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with a Catalyst 2820 Message-ID: <1455.68.112.123.230.1080480677.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Anyone here experience with Cisco Catalyst 2820 switches? I acquired one over the weekend and I'm having trouble finding good info. While my primary purpose is to use it as an unmanaged switch, I'd like to be able to use some of the enhanced features (such as VLAN) through the IOS software. The former owners of this switch screwed it down pretty good, so breaking in has been a challenge. Resetting the switch to factory default involves calling Cisco TAC from what I'm told. While it has a reset button, documentation is nonexistant on how to use it. I assume that there's some special combination (hold down, power on, release, insert foot into slot A, etc) but it seems that Cisco is tight lipped about how to use it. If anyone has some tips to offer, I'm all ears. Thanks! -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Sun Mar 28 08:22:12 2004 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with a Catalyst 2820 In-Reply-To: <1455.68.112.123.230.1080480677.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <1455.68.112.123.230.1080480677.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20040328142212.GA17320@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 07:31:17AM -0600, Brian wrote: > Anyone here experience with Cisco Catalyst 2820 switches? I acquired one > over the weekend and I'm having trouble finding good info. > > While my primary purpose is to use it as an unmanaged switch, I'd like to > be able to use some of the enhanced features (such as VLAN) through the > IOS software. The former owners of this switch screwed it down pretty > good, so breaking in has been a challenge. Resetting the switch to > factory default involves calling Cisco TAC from what I'm told. > > While it has a reset button, documentation is nonexistant on how to use > it. I assume that there's some special combination (hold down, power on, > release, insert foot into slot A, etc) but it seems that Cisco is tight > lipped about how to use it. > > If anyone has some tips to offer, I'm all ears. Thanks! > > -Brian > Wasn't Cisco web page, www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps574/products_password_recovery09186a00800a6c79.shtml helpful? -- Jim Kaufman Linux Evangelist public key 0x6D802619 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Mar 28 08:46:51 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with a Catalyst 2820 In-Reply-To: <20040328142212.GA17320@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <1455.68.112.123.230.1080480677.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <20040328142212.GA17320@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <1080485211.1083.38.camel@angband> Jima was able to recover the password on the 1900's that I had. I'm sure he used the link James listed below. He's moving to a new home this weekend, so he may not be on line today. If all else fails, maybe this would be a good demonstration for the install fest? How to get a password from a Cisco switch/router/wigdit-thingy ;o) Sam. On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 09:22, James Kaufman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 07:31:17AM -0600, Brian wrote: > > Anyone here experience with Cisco Catalyst 2820 switches? I acquired one > > over the weekend and I'm having trouble finding good info. > > > > While my primary purpose is to use it as an unmanaged switch, I'd like to > > be able to use some of the enhanced features (such as VLAN) through the > > IOS software. The former owners of this switch screwed it down pretty > > good, so breaking in has been a challenge. Resetting the switch to > > factory default involves calling Cisco TAC from what I'm told. > > > > While it has a reset button, documentation is nonexistant on how to use > > it. I assume that there's some special combination (hold down, power on, > > release, insert foot into slot A, etc) but it seems that Cisco is tight > > lipped about how to use it. > > > > If anyone has some tips to offer, I'm all ears. Thanks! > > > > -Brian > > > > Wasn't Cisco web page, > www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps574/products_password_recovery09186a00800a6c79.shtml > helpful? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Mar 28 08:50:28 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WooHoo! Message-ID: <1080485428.1089.43.camel@angband> 3 hours 30 minutes until the 3rd ISO of Fedora is down loaded. I think I'm getting a little with-drawl from gaming... Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Mar 28 10:47:58 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403281647.i2SGlwo29388@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Looking for a 8-16 MB PCI Video card. I am looking to buy a 8-16 MB PCI video card. It has to be supported under XFree 4.3 and Linux without proprietary drivers. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sun Mar 28 12:51:58 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403281647.i2SGlwo29388@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200403281647.i2SGlwo29388@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040328125158.78272375@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> I have an 8MB PCI card that I picked up from General Nanosystems that I no longer need. http://store.yahoo.com/gnstest-store/vid-jat-p-9880.html Josh On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:47:58 -0600 TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: Want to Buy > > Subject: Looking for a 8-16 MB PCI Video card. > > I am looking to buy a 8-16 MB PCI video card. > > It has to be supported under XFree 4.3 and Linux without proprietary drivers. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Mar 28 13:00:56 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fun with a Catalyst 2820 In-Reply-To: <1080485211.1083.38.camel@angband> References: <1455.68.112.123.230.1080480677.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com><20040328142212.GA17320@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <1080485211.1083.38.camel@angband> Message-ID: <32796.68.112.123.230.1080500456.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > Jima was able to recover the password on the 1900's that I had. > I'm sure he used the link James listed below. He's moving to a new home > this weekend, so he may not be on line today. Major kudos to James. I searched Cisco's site as well as Google web and groups for an hour and couldn't find instructions. I probably won't need Jima's help, but thanks for the tip. I'll post again if I have more trouble. > If all else fails, maybe this would be a good demonstration for the > install fest? How to get a password from a Cisco > switch/router/wigdit-thingy ;o) It's a tough thing to demo password recovery on a Cisco. As often discussed on usenet, Cisco buys and brands so many devices that the method is different on every box. The 1900/2820 switches are the same, the 2600 and 3400 series are completely different. That's whay I had so much trouble finding info on recovering this guy, because every Cisco is different. If I can make it to the installfest, I'll bring it with. Has a date been set yet? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Mar 28 15:31:50 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040328125158.78272375@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <200403281647.i2SGlwo29388@crusader.real-time.com> <20040328125158.78272375@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <40674446.3020105@visi.com> I have an ATI Radeon 7000 with 32mb DDR RAM in the box. Check to be sure it's compatible with XFree Name a price that you think is reasonable. Sam. Josh Trutwin wrote: >I have an 8MB PCI card that I picked up from General Nanosystems that I no longer need. > >http://store.yahoo.com/gnstest-store/vid-jat-p-9880.html > >Josh > >On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:47:58 -0600 >TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > > > >>New TCLUG Classified Ad >> >>Category: Computer >> >>Type of Ad: Want to Buy >> >>Subject: Looking for a 8-16 MB PCI Video card. >> >>I am looking to buy a 8-16 MB PCI video card. >> >>It has to be supported under XFree 4.3 and Linux without proprietary drivers. >> >>http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at sift.info Sun Mar 28 15:31:49 2004 From: rpgoldman at sift.info (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about wifi + nfs Message-ID: <16487.17477.181877.265126@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I have been having the darnedest time with a client machine connecting via NFS over wifi. I have a couple of machines, call them thing1 and thing2, that get their (Mandrake) rpm updates from a mirror machine. thing1 connects on a cable and it works perfectly. thing2 connects over 802.11b and my updates just stop and go nowhere. For that matter, when I try to ls the automounted over nfs directory, the ls goes nowhere (and doesn't recover gracefully at all --- it leaves a zombie process :-( ). Weirdly enough, thing2 CAN connect quite happily over ssh to the mirror. I can log in and work quite successfully. AFAICT there isn't any authentication failure, either --- syslog says that the mirror's authenticated an NFS connection from thing2. I was wondering -- could this be some kind of udp weirdness? seems like nfs is operating over UDP. Any suggestions (aside from the obvious "just shut up and go back to using ssh for your updates.")? Thanks, r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Mar 28 15:32:45 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403281647.i2SGlwo29388@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200403281647.i2SGlwo29388@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <4067447D.9020702@visi.com> I have an ATI Radeon 7000 with 32mb DDR RAM in the box. Check to be sure it's compatible with XFree Name a price that you think is reasonable. Sam. TCLUG Classifieds wrote: >New TCLUG Classified Ad > >Category: Computer > >Type of Ad: Want to Buy > >Subject: Looking for a 8-16 MB PCI Video card. > >I am looking to buy a 8-16 MB PCI video card. > >It has to be supported under XFree 4.3 and Linux without proprietary drivers. > >http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sun Mar 28 15:43:22 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <1080476129.1089.30.camel@angband> (message from Sam MacDonald on Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:15:29 -0500) References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net> <200403201639.i2KGdHh07681@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1080370542.23231.67.camel@bigtime> <200403280701.i2S71nC13940@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1080476129.1089.30.camel@angband> Message-ID: <200403282143.i2SLhMc21438@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Sam MacDonald wrote: >I've always created the file systems /boot & /root then /swap. >/boot may not be necessary but I it helps me keep track of where I can >find things when I'm changing grub or lilo. Also creating /usr, /var and /home filesystems adds more flexibility. It's really nice to have /home as a separate filesystem, since that makes it easier to "protect" it by unmounting it, it can be more easily migrated to another hard drive and increased in size. /usr can be mounted read only. Each such filesystem can be tuned to the distinct type of data stored on it. However, Sam's "minimum" number of filesystems (/boot and /root) plus swap is all that's really needed for the vast majority of systems. It doesn't really matter where swap is positioned as long as that doesn't affect performance. I generally run a lot of applications simultaneously that require a lot of memory and often get my some of my systems close to the dreaded disk trashing state where things just grind to a virtual halt, so I care a lot more about swap performance than the vast majority of people running Linux on the desktop. Some architectures actually require a /boot partition, because the BIOS, Open Boot Prom (OBP), Open Firmware or other firmware may have boot limitations that require the operating system to be on a filesystem that is partially or completely contained below a fixed capacity such as 1 GB. >If I'm running a 2 disk system where should the swap space be >hda or hdb, and would running a separate disk for the swap space be the >best way to improve performance in a server type system? Generally, with a two disk system, one can put swap on both disks and let the OS dynamically choose the disk to use. I would suggest putting at least one swap partition and often used filesystems near the beginning of each hard drive. For servers, it is best to have enough RAM, so swapping is never actually required. Otherwise, swap should be placed on every drive, especially the fastest drive. RAID 5 software or hardware will improve both performance and reliability. A swap partition on a RAID 5 device is by the nature of RAID 5 distributed over all drives in the RAID. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Mar 28 16:33:53 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions References: <405BC531.30707@comcast.net><200403201639.i2KGdHh07681@ecstasy1.winternet.com><1080370542.23231.67.camel@bigtime><200403280701.i2S71nC13940@ecstasy1.winternet.com><1080476129.1089.30.camel@angband> <200403282143.i2SLhMc21438@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <006301c41514$bfb6bd50$0201a8c0@brinstar> Ken Fuchs writes: > Also creating /usr, /var and /home filesystems adds more flexibility. Having a separate /tmp is also helpful. A default FreeBSD install creates these partitions: / (/root goes here) /tmp /usr (/home is a symlink to /usr/home) /var On a system used by multiple users, I would also create /home as a separate partition. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Mar 28 18:15:59 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403290015.i2T0Fxu01650@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Subject: Need a Linux Resource For a Fix I am in need of a Linux administrator to resurrect a machine that might have passed. Please contact me at 952-888-0608 x203 Thank You. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Kraigjones at aol.com Sun Mar 28 18:58:06 2004 From: Kraigjones at aol.com (Kraigjones@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 1, broken X server Message-ID: <30.52b53901.2d98ce9e@aol.com> I'm running Fedora Core 1, usually with KDE. I was playing with some Windows stuff and Wine, and since then my x-server does not work. The last thing I was doing in Wine was trying to install a game that had some DirectX components and IE5 or IE6 as part of the install. Now Fedora seems to be OK up to startx, then the monitor starts to go to a graphics mode, then to black screen, then I see a text login, then back to the graphics mode, black, and repeat. With Fedora, I'm not sure how to get my x-configuration back to what it should be, without risking making things worse. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Mar 28 19:19:46 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403290119.i2T1JkK02593@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Cisco Catalyst 2820 ethernet module I'm looking for an 8 port 100 Mbit UTP module for my Cisco Catalyst 2820. Money, beer, or other compensation available. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Mar 28 19:58:29 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 1, broken X server In-Reply-To: <30.52b53901.2d98ce9e@aol.com> References: <30.52b53901.2d98ce9e@aol.com> Message-ID: <406782C5.80409@eworld3.net> I think someone else had this same problem not too long ago. Check the archives for this list. Kraigjones@aol.com wrote: > I'm running Fedora Core 1, usually with KDE. I was playing with some Windows > stuff and Wine, and since then my x-server does not work. The last thing I > was doing in Wine was trying to install a game that had some DirectX components > and IE5 or IE6 as part of the install. Now Fedora seems to be OK up to > startx, then the monitor starts to go to a graphics mode, then to black screen, > then I see a text login, then back to the graphics mode, black, and repeat. > > With Fedora, I'm not sure how to get my x-configuration back to what it > should be, without risking making things worse. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Mon Mar 29 08:32:24 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever ##RESOLVED## In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found that when logging (or using su, or any authentication), it was looking for ldap. Ldap was added to /etc/pam.d/system-auth and caused an ldap search. There isn't an ldap server to find here, so it just sat there looking for it for a minute. I removed the ldap lines and it worked fine. -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andrei Bazhgin > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:18 PM > To: TCLUG (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] authentication (logon) takes forever > > > Make sure the remote host knows how to do a reverse DNS lookup for the > connecting computer. > > When yoo connect to a server, the server will say "hmm, > someone is connecting > ... I wonder what their hostname is, I am going to look it up > ..." and it starts > looking for it. If it cant find it for a long time, it will > give up and use the > IP instead. To fix this, you have two options: > > 1. Set up a DNS server. I havent done this, but it > shouldnt be too hard. > 2. Edit /etc/hosts. This is how I do it. I have the > following lines in > my /etc/hosts file (on the server): > > 192.168.0.100 gentoo.nan2d.com gentoo > 192.168.0.101 sparc.nan2d.com spac > > 'gentoo' & 'sparc' is the hostname that the server wil > use for the > connecting IP addresses 192.168.0.100 and 192.168.0.101. > > I hope that helped. Someone correct me if I am wrong. > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 09:22:37AM -0600, Josh Close wrote: > > When I ssh into my pass and put in my password, it takes > like 1-2 minutes to > > verify it. I still does it when the box is restarted. There > aren't any run > > away processes either. It also takes as long when using > "su". I have no clue > > what's going on. > > > > Can anyone help? > > > > -Josh > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Andrei Bazhgin | PGP Key ID: 0xCD2F19DA > www.nan2d.com | Public key: http://nan2d.com/~after/pubkey.asc > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Mon Mar 29 09:12:00 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba/winbind authentication with active directory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did you find that information? I've been messing around with it and used every possible setup I could find information about. Nothings worked so far. I have samba/winbind installed. I added these lines to /etc/pam.d/system-auth auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_winbind.so account sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so password required /lib/security/pam_deny.so I added these lines to /etc/samba/smb.conf workgroup = myWorkgroup winbind separator = + winbind uid = 10000-20000 winbind gid = 10000-20000 ;winbind cache time = 15 ; winbind enum users = yes ; winbind enum groups = no ; template homedir = /home/%D/%U template shell = /bin/bash winbind use default domain = yes I joing the domain by smbpasswd -j DOMAIN -r domain-controller -U Administrator That works fine. Then I do this and get an error. wbinfo -u 0xc0000017 I'm missing something here... not sure what though. Any help would be appreciated. -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn [mailto:sfertch@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 5:06 PM > To: josh@teamfreeze.com; TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] samba/winbind authentication with active > directory > > > On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:28:40 -0600 > "Josh Close" wrote: > > > Ok, since I can't get auth_ldap working, I though I'd try > > authentication with samba and winbind. I figure if the user can > > login the linux box with their domain account, then it should work > > the same with apache. > > > > Can anyone possibly point me in the right direction for this? > > > > I went thru that not that long ago myself. I'll see if I can get the > main part of my smb.conf file posted. > > Basically, you need to have winbind running. It needs to have a range > of users defined that aren't local to the system or to the domain. > > You have to start winbind before you can start samba. I dont recall > if I posted up my resolution to it. > > > -- > Shawn > > "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of > fear." > -Mark Twain > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Mon Mar 29 09:30:22 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question/opinions In-Reply-To: <1080476129.1089.30.camel@angband> Message-ID: As we've started to see already, this type of question can ignore mini-holy-wars, as everyone has their preferred way to partition. For me, /home is almost always separate because I like to jump from one distro to another from time to time. When dual-booting, as long as the kernels are similar, I've shared the /usr partition so I didn't have multiple installations of a bunch of larger software packages. And of course /home so I don't have files scattered both across several PCs and several OS installations. I've also created a FAT32 "swap" partition on Windows/Linux dual-boot PCs to make transferring files simpler. (I haven't tackled rw ntfs yet...it looks like it should work to me, but I'm assuming it wasn't compiled into the Knoppix kernel I'm using.) As an alternative to this, I've recently found rfstool, which lets you read files from ReiserFS in Windows. Anyway, the partition and swap partition scheme you use really depends on what you're doing with the machine, in the end. Highly multi-user? I'd put /usr, /home, /tmp, and /var all on separate partitions to avoid one of these filling the entire drive (or drives.) I would also have /home on a separate drive, if possible, than /. A system for testing (like mine usually are)? /home is separate, possibly /usr, and one to three different /'s. For my system at home that basically sits as my own server, /home is on a separate drive, along with swap. But most of this is my own stabbing in the dark at what I think it should all look like. At least when it's broken apart, I can move or resize partitions quicker than using bootable linux disks, plus I can do it on the fly. I don't know that you can do that if everything is on the root partition. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 29 11:42:10 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) Message-ID: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm looking for help on generating a policy that applies to removal of postings from the tclug mailing list archives. The current policy was "never". I have retracted people's email addresses when they have requested it, but have always left the post in the archives. I'd like to formalize the policy for tclug and post it on the website, make it part of the into letter when you sub to the list, and make sure everyone "agrees" to it. I post this now and here, because I've run into an "issue" on another mailing list I maintain and I don't want it to ever happen here. Please help. Thanks. - -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAaF/0fPGnCSzBsogRAv9QAKCHWuWCpsNVTR/5jtOd4W4qp4x7tACgu7+b TblXhbquiK9o5B4keDG/fkI= =WUHS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Mon Mar 29 11:51:28 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20040329175128.GE27252@fireopal.org> On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 11:42:10AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm looking for help on generating a policy that applies to removal of > postings from the tclug mailing list archives. > > The current policy was "never". > > I have retracted people's email addresses when they have requested it, but > have always left the post in the archives. Sounds good to me! -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Kraigjones at aol.com Mon Mar 29 11:55:25 2004 From: Kraigjones at aol.com (Kraigjones@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 1, broken X server Message-ID: I now have a bit more detail on the problem. Among other things in an error log are: "XFree86 Version 4.3.0 (Fedora Core 1: 4.3.0-42) ... OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl (bhcompile@daffy.perf.redhat ... Fatal server error: xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 7 (Input/output error) -X server log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log -X server config file: /etc/X11/XF85Config -Kernel log file: /var/log/messages " So far I have not been able to get a login prompt so I can look for these logs. If I get the timing just right I can get a prompt on tty4 (ctrl-alt-F4), but I haven't been able to login this way and see the logs. The system seems to be hanging up in trying to open "Console 7", the X console. Even if I could log in, I'm not sure what to look for. Any help? Thanks, Kraig In a message dated 3/28/04 8:05:52 PM Central Standard Time, rick@eworld3.net writes: << I think someone else had this same problem not too long ago. Check the archives for this list. Kraigjones@aol.com wrote: > I'm running Fedora Core 1, usually with KDE. I was playing with some Windows > stuff and Wine, and since then my x-server does not work. The last thing I > was doing in Wine was trying to install a game that had some DirectX components > and IE5 or IE6 as part of the install. Now Fedora seems to be OK up to > startx, then the monitor starts to go to a graphics mode, then to black screen, > then I see a text login, then back to the graphics mode, black, and repeat. > > With Fedora, I'm not sure how to get my x-configuration back to what it > should be, without risking making things worse. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 29 12:11:50 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <2111.156.99.116.45.1080583910.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > I'm looking for help on generating a policy that applies to removal of > postings from the tclug mailing list archives. > > The current policy was "never". And a great policy that is. If you want to retract a post, why did you say it in the first place? IMHO, History is what it is. Please leave it that way. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Mon Mar 29 12:10:47 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 11:42:10AM -0600 References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20040329121046.A9033@thinkunix.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm looking for help on generating a policy that applies to removal of > postings from the tclug mailing list archives. People shouldn't post what they don't want archived. It's rather simple folks, think before you hit "ENTER". The list maintainers should not have to waste their time removing things someone wish they hadn't posted. that's my $0.02 -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Mon Mar 29 12:33:18 2004 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about wifi + nfs In-Reply-To: <16487.17477.181877.265126@gargle.gargle.HOWL>; from rpgoldman@sift.info on Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 03:31:49PM -0600 References: <16487.17477.181877.265126@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20040329123318.B9033@thinkunix.net> Robert P. Goldman wrote: > I have been having the darnedest time with a client machine connecting > via NFS over wifi. I have a couple of machines, call them thing1 and > thing2, that get their (Mandrake) rpm updates from a mirror machine. > thing1 connects on a cable and it works perfectly. > > thing2 connects over 802.11b and my updates just stop and go nowhere. > For that matter, when I try to ls the automounted over nfs directory, > the ls goes nowhere (and doesn't recover gracefully at all --- it > leaves a zombie process :-( ). > > Weirdly enough, thing2 CAN connect quite happily over ssh to the > mirror. I can log in and work quite successfully. AFAICT there isn't > any authentication failure, either --- syslog says that the mirror's > authenticated an NFS connection from thing2. > > I was wondering -- could this be some kind of udp weirdness? seems > like nfs is operating over UDP. Any suggestions (aside from the > obvious "just shut up and go back to using ssh for your updates.")? Are you using some kind of packaged firewall/wireless/router between thing2 and the Mandrake updates server? Check to see if UDP traffic is being blocked. Its possible the NFS authentication is happening over TCP and that's why that part works and why the SSH connection works. Try running ethereal to see what packets are being passed in/out of the wireless client and what's received on the other side. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Mar 29 12:32:49 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20040329183248.GC11084@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crspam at comcast.net Mon Mar 29 12:47:17 2004 From: crspam at comcast.net (chuck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php 4 and 5 In-Reply-To: <20040329123318.B9033@thinkunix.net> References: <16487.17477.181877.265126@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20040329123318.B9033@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <40686F35.7020106@comcast.net> does anyone know if it is possible to get php 4 and 5 running together under apache 2? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 29 12:54:17 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <2111.156.99.116.45.1080583910.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <2111.156.99.116.45.1080583910.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Brian wrote: > And a great policy that is. If you want to retract a post, why did you > say it in the first place? IMHO, History is what it is. Please leave > it that way. What about the case (not sure if it's happened yet) where an upset employee posts something internal about their ex-employer, and the employer requests it to be removed? I've heard about this happening on various other lists. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Mon Mar 29 13:05:35 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php 4 and 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The easiest way that I can think of would be to set up 2 apaches also. Then configure php4 to run with one, and php5 to run with the other. Then you can have apache listen on a different port for the second version. I've never done this.... it's just an idea. -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of chuck > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:47 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] php 4 and 5 > > > does anyone know if it is possible to get php 4 and 5 running > together > under apache 2? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Mar 29 13:34:56 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about wifi + nfs In-Reply-To: <20040329123318.B9033@thinkunix.net> References: <16487.17477.181877.265126@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20040329123318.B9033@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <16488.31328.456780.618367@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Scot" == Scot Jenkins writes: Scot> Robert P. Goldman wrote: >> I have been having the darnedest time with a client machine connecting >> via NFS over wifi. I have a couple of machines, call them thing1 and >> thing2, that get their (Mandrake) rpm updates from a mirror machine. >> thing1 connects on a cable and it works perfectly. >> >> thing2 connects over 802.11b and my updates just stop and go nowhere. >> For that matter, when I try to ls the automounted over nfs directory, >> the ls goes nowhere (and doesn't recover gracefully at all --- it >> leaves a zombie process :-( ). >> >> Weirdly enough, thing2 CAN connect quite happily over ssh to the >> mirror. I can log in and work quite successfully. AFAICT there isn't >> any authentication failure, either --- syslog says that the mirror's >> authenticated an NFS connection from thing2. >> >> I was wondering -- could this be some kind of udp weirdness? seems >> like nfs is operating over UDP. Any suggestions (aside from the >> obvious "just shut up and go back to using ssh for your updates.")? Scot> Are you using some kind of packaged firewall/wireless/router Scot> between thing2 and the Mandrake updates server? Check to Scot> see if UDP traffic is being blocked. Its possible the NFS Scot> authentication is happening over TCP and that's why that Scot> part works and why the SSH connection works. Just using a pretty standard Linksys box (BEFW11). I'll check. IIRC, I used tcpdump and saw SOME packets passing, but at a very, very slow rate. Scot> Try running ethereal to see what packets are being passed Scot> in/out of the wireless client and what's received on the Scot> other side. Will do, thanks! R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charles.e.rickard at uwrf.edu Mon Mar 29 13:50:12 2004 From: charles.e.rickard at uwrf.edu (Chuck Rickard) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php 4 and 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40687DF4.2000106@uwrf.edu> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 29 14:17:25 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php 4 and 5 In-Reply-To: <40687DF4.2000106@uwrf.edu> References: <40687DF4.2000106@uwrf.edu> Message-ID: <20040329201725.GA29264@wookimus.net> On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 01:50:12PM -0600, Chuck Rickard wrote: > yeah, i found another source that said the same thing, i was hoping > their was an easier way, because that just sounds like a lot of work > and i am lazy :-) I would imagine you could create two separate mod_python.c modules that call different interpretors. Then add two file types and handlers, one for php4 and one for php5. The setup would be analogous to the PHP 3 and 4 setups. IOW, I think it's possible, but it may take some custom engineering so that you don't clobber namespaces in the loadable modules. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Mon Mar 29 14:21:23 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 1, broken X server Message-ID: Make sure that wineserver is stopped before starting X again. There is an option in the winesetup that allows for Xvidmod and XRandR which allows wine to resize your screen. This has never worked correctly for me, so I have those options turned off. I'm running wine in a 800x600 desktop window to get around this problem. Did you run wine under the root account? I would also have you check lsmod to make sure that you have all the drivers necessary for X to work correctly. I had problems recently when I upgraded to a 2.6 kernel. I needed to look at the agp modules, the drm modules, and framebuffer modules. Each category had new modules that needed to be loaded before X would work. Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: Kraigjones@aol.com [mailto:Kraigjones@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:55 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 1, broken X server I now have a bit more detail on the problem. Among other things in an error log are: "XFree86 Version 4.3.0 (Fedora Core 1: 4.3.0-42) ... OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl (bhcompile@daffy.perf.redhat ... Fatal server error: xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 7 (Input/output error) -X server log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log -X server config file: /etc/X11/XF85Config -Kernel log file: /var/log/messages " So far I have not been able to get a login prompt so I can look for these logs. If I get the timing just right I can get a prompt on tty4 (ctrl-alt-F4), but I haven't been able to login this way and see the logs. The system seems to be hanging up in trying to open "Console 7", the X console. Even if I could log in, I'm not sure what to look for. Any help? Thanks, Kraig In a message dated 3/28/04 8:05:52 PM Central Standard Time, rick@eworld3.net writes: << I think someone else had this same problem not too long ago. Check the archives for this list. Kraigjones@aol.com wrote: > I'm running Fedora Core 1, usually with KDE. I was playing with some Windows > stuff and Wine, and since then my x-server does not work. The last thing I > was doing in Wine was trying to install a game that had some DirectX components > and IE5 or IE6 as part of the install. Now Fedora seems to be OK up to > startx, then the monitor starts to go to a graphics mode, then to black screen, > then I see a text login, then back to the graphics mode, black, and repeat. > > With Fedora, I'm not sure how to get my x-configuration back to what it > should be, without risking making things worse. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Mon Mar 29 14:26:38 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <2111.156.99.116.45.1080583910.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <4068867E.8080705@cdf123.com> Nate Carlson wrote: >On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Brian wrote: > > >>And a great policy that is. If you want to retract a post, why did you >>say it in the first place? IMHO, History is what it is. Please leave >>it that way. >> >> > >What about the case (not sure if it's happened yet) where an upset >employee posts something internal about their ex-employer, and the >employer requests it to be removed? > >I've heard about this happening on various other lists. > > Ok, so does said employer call to shut down internet archive services? (e.g. Wayback machine - http://www.archive.org/web/web.php) Or even Google Cache? There's a limit to what an employer can do to save face before you start running into free speech issues. If an employee spilled the beens so to speak, then they should be taking it up with that employee (theres even insurance for this for both employer/employee if I remember right), hassling online message boards, newsgroups, mailing lists, and other services to take down information will not solve the problem, and may end up making things worse. Of course thats just my opinion, I could be (and usually am) wrong. To quote an episode of "News Radio" (possibly butchered), "You can't take something out of the internet, that's like trying to take pee out of a pool, once it's in there, it's in there." Never sounds like a wonderful policy. Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 29 14:32:26 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org><2111.156.99.116.45.1080583910.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <2268.156.99.116.45.1080592346.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > What about the case (not sure if it's happened yet) where an upset > employee posts something internal about their ex-employer, and the > employer requests it to be removed? At that point, the cat's out of the bag anyway. There exists a difference between the moral obligation to leave the posts untouched and attorneys threatening to take the farm. I don't know where that is, and I certainly hope to never find out. This topic came up about a year ago, and I posted a poll. In the highest poll response I've ever received, 80 people said to leave the archives as is. Only 7 said to allow removal of posts. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 29 14:46:25 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <4068867E.8080705@cdf123.com> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <2111.156.99.116.45.1080583910.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <4068867E.8080705@cdf123.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Chris Frederick wrote: > There's a limit to what an employer can do to save face before you start > running into free speech issues. If an employee spilled the beens so to > speak, then they should be taking it up with that employee (theres even > insurance for this for both employer/employee if I remember right), > hassling online message boards, newsgroups, mailing lists, and other > services to take down information will not solve the problem, and may > end up making things worse. > > Of course thats just my opinion, I could be (and usually am) wrong. I happen to agree with you; just wanted to make sure people were considering that possiblity in their responses. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Mar 29 14:52:05 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: | The current policy was "never". And should remain so. If someone needs their e-mail address removed for one reason or another, fine. Removing their name however in unacceptable. We can't let Idion Ben remove all references to himself after all. That would be just silly, and alot of work for Bob. Anything that does need removal will have to be evaluated by a case by case basis I'm sure. And would have to have a damn good reason...like a hardcopy letter from a Lawyer. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Mar 29 14:53:29 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Post removal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Take the example to an extreme: It is possible to post illegal speech. Whether it's hate speech (however unlikely here) or someone divulges trade secrets and gets a court order, I think the policy should be to always keep all posts unless ordered to delete some by a court of law, which is pretty much implied in the current standard anyway. While it's true that trying to remove the leaked information may be a fool's task, any company must try to do so if they want to keep the information protected. Enough blathering from me. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 29 15:00:33 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <2268.156.99.116.45.1080592346.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <2268.156.99.116.45.1080592346.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20040329210033.GB29264@wookimus.net> The question: > What about the case (not sure if it's happened yet) where an upset > employee posts something internal about their ex-employer, and the > employer requests it to be removed? Without a court order, the employer has few options but to spin a little PR-foo themselves. This is true for all public forums. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Mar 29 15:13:38 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba/winbind authentication with active directory In-Reply-To: <20040326170551.043aaddc.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040326170551.043aaddc.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040329151338.3e93fc2f.sfertch@real-time.com> Sorry for the delay on this, I wasn't able to connect up until today. Here's the top part of my smb.conf file. Again, you need to have winbind running to start samba to join a domain. But, in order to start winbind, you need the idmap paramaters defined. #======================= Global Settings ======================= [global] netbios name = servername username map = /etc/samba/user.map workgroup = DOMAIN server string = %h server (Samba %v) log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 1000 security = domain password server = DOMAINCONTROLLER1 DOMAINCONTROLLER2 encrypt passwords = yes socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF SO_SNDBUF=8192 local master = no read only = no preserve case = yes short preserve case = no dos filetime resolution = yes syslog = 0 wins server = xx.xx.xx.xx dns proxy = no idmap gid = 10000-11000 idmap uid = 45000-49000 Let me know if you have any questions. this worked for me on a RHEL 3.0 server. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Mar 29 15:45:11 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Saturday's meeting??? Message-ID: <20040329214511.GL25235@fandre.com> Again I have failed to book a solid presenter for the monthly TCLUG meeting. (but thanks to Bob we are having an installfest this month!) I can't make it Satuday, so should I cancel the meeting? Or is there enough interest to keep it? -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at teamfreeze.com Mon Mar 29 15:43:32 2004 From: josh at teamfreeze.com (Josh Close) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba/winbind authentication with active directory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have some parts working. I can successfully join the domain. Testing doesn't work though. Doing "wbinfo -u" returns an error. wbinfo -u 0xc0000017 Not sure what the error is about. I looked it up and couldn't find any info on it. -Josh > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Shawn > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:14 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] samba/winbind authentication with active > directory > > > Sorry for the delay on this, I wasn't able to connect up until today. > Here's the top part of my smb.conf file. > > Again, you need to have winbind running to start samba to join a > domain. But, in order to start winbind, you need the idmap paramaters > defined. > > > > #======================= Global Settings ======================= > [global] > netbios name = servername > username map = /etc/samba/user.map > workgroup = DOMAIN > server string = %h server (Samba %v) > log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m > max log size = 1000 > security = domain > password server = DOMAINCONTROLLER1 DOMAINCONTROLLER2 > encrypt passwords = yes > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF SO_SNDBUF=8192 > local master = no > read only = no > preserve case = yes > short preserve case = no > dos filetime resolution = yes > syslog = 0 > wins server = xx.xx.xx.xx > dns proxy = no > idmap gid = 10000-11000 > idmap uid = 45000-49000 > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. this worked for me on a RHEL > 3.0 server. > > > -- > Shawn > > "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of > fear." > -Mark Twain > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Mar 29 16:02:22 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1080597742.30438.33.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:42, Bob Tanner wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm looking for help on generating a policy that applies to removal of > postings from the tclug mailing list archives. > > The current policy was "never". The point has been made, you can take a post off the archives but it's kind of like taking the turd out of the punch bowl, theres still stuff floating around _but_ the residuals are harder to find. I can see there being cases where if I were the admin of the list I would want the option to remove something from the archives. For example "Remove that post or I will hunt you down and kill you and your family", I'd just remove the post, call the cops and call it a day. We can't foresee every circumstance that might come up, we don't have a legal department to consult. What if someone said "MBI inc. has Malaysian slaves chained in the basement soldering for 18 hours a day"? Unless the person posting can back that up with some proof they should not be saying it, MBI would not be out of line to request that it be removed. Id say the policy should be we gerally do not remove posts but the admin can use his discretion in unusual cases, like slander, legal threats, crazy people, etc. I've certainly posted some things I wish I wouldn't have but I can live with my mistakes. If you let me remove my posts just because I was being stupid then you would have to do the same for everyone, the admin job would become a babysitting job. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Mar 29 16:20:35 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Saturday's meeting??? References: <20040329214511.GL25235@fandre.com> Message-ID: Clay Fandre writes: > Again I have failed to book a solid presenter for the monthly TCLUG > meeting. (but thanks to Bob we are having an installfest this month!) > > I can't make it Satuday, so should I cancel the meeting? Or is there > enough interest to keep it? i'd say keep it, i was not able to get to the last one. Anybody want to give a talk on openldap addressbook/authentication? -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Mar 29 16:45:13 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blog software Message-ID: My girlfriend wants me to set up a blog thingy for her. I'm using Personal Weblog (http://www.kyne.com.au/~mark/software/weblog.php) on my homepage, but that hasn't been developed for almost two years now. Wondering if any LUGers have any leads on good projects that the girl can use. She's fairly knowledgable about computer stuff, but knows 0 HTML, and her will glaze over at the mention of MySQL, SCP, or even FTP. :) Personally, I'd like it to be able to support pam authientaction, but I can live with it storing a seperate user/pass in it's database. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net Mon Mar 29 17:03:51 2004 From: zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net (John Ford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <1080597742.30438.33.camel@lotsa> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <1080597742.30438.33.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <4068AB57.7020202@DawnAndJohn.net> On 3/29/2004 4:02 PM Tom Penney wrote: > On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:42, Bob Tanner wrote: > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>I'm looking for help on generating a policy that applies to removal of >>postings from the tclug mailing list archives. >> >>The current policy was "never". > > > The point has been made, you can take a post off the archives but it's > kind of like taking the turd out of the punch bowl, theres still stuff > floating around _but_ the residuals are harder to find. > > I can see there being cases where if I were the admin of the list I > would want the option to remove something from the archives. For example > "Remove that post or I will hunt you down and kill you and your family", > I'd just remove the post, call the cops and call it a day. We can't > foresee every circumstance that might come up, we don't have a legal > department to consult. What if someone said "MBI inc. has Malaysian > slaves chained in the basement soldering for 18 hours a day"? Unless the > person posting can back that up with some proof they should not be > saying it, MBI would not be out of line to request that it be removed. > > Id say the policy should be we gerally do not remove posts but the admin > can use his discretion in unusual cases, like slander, legal threats, > crazy people, etc. > > I've certainly posted some things I wish I wouldn't have but I can live > with my mistakes. If you let me remove my posts just because I was being > stupid then you would have to do the same for everyone, the admin job > would become a babysitting job. > > Make that $.04 - I feel exactly the same way. The admin should be able to remove posts (slander, legal threats,crazy people, etc.) at his/ her/its discretion. One of the (few?) perks of being admin is having some authority. Abuse of this authority is a matter for the group to resolve (via slander, legal threats, acting crazy, etc.). ;-) -- jcf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Mar 29 17:24:04 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <4068B014.8040105@visi.com> I guess my take on saving anything is "Save Disk Space" or SDS. The only way to really determine if a thread has value is to examine it. Maybe that's a project for someone (or several someones) to look at. Dump the fluff and b!tch!ng to SDS and archive the rest. Sam. Bob Tanner wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >I'm looking for help on generating a policy that applies to removal of >postings from the tclug mailing list archives. > >The current policy was "never". > >I have retracted people's email addresses when they have requested it, but >have always left the post in the archives. > >I'd like to formalize the policy for tclug and post it on the website, make it >part of the into letter when you sub to the list, and make sure everyone >"agrees" to it. > >I post this now and here, because I've run into an "issue" on another mailing >list I maintain and I don't want it to ever happen here. > >Please help. > >Thanks. > > >- -- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFAaF/0fPGnCSzBsogRAv9QAKCHWuWCpsNVTR/5jtOd4W4qp4x7tACgu7+b >TblXhbquiK9o5B4keDG/fkI= >=WUHS >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Mar 29 17:25:23 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core 1, broken X server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4068B063.80100@visi.com> Just so I know I'm on the right track. You can't login at all because it goes in to graphical login? ("So far I have not been able to get a login prompt...") If so... I just installed Fedora Core 1 yesterday, it went right in to graphical mode (run level 5) when it started up. I don't remember seeing any prompt for terminal or graphical startup in the installation of Fedora. Either I missed it or the default is graphical login. I edited the /etc/inittab and changed the run level to 3 because I like the terminal login. You may need to use a rescue diskette to get in and change the run level in the /etc/inittab from 5 to 3. Sam. Kraigjones@aol.com wrote: >I now have a bit more detail on the problem. Among other things in an error >log are: > >"XFree86 Version 4.3.0 (Fedora Core 1: 4.3.0-42) ... >OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl (bhcompile@daffy.perf.redhat ... >Fatal server error: >xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 7 (Input/output error) > >-X server log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log >-X server config file: /etc/X11/XF85Config >-Kernel log file: /var/log/messages >" > >So far I have not been able to get a login prompt so I can look for these >logs. If I get the timing just right I can get a prompt on tty4 (ctrl-alt-F4), >but I haven't been able to login this way and see the logs. The system seems >to be hanging up in trying to open "Console 7", the X console. >Even if I could log in, I'm not sure what to look for. Any help? > >Thanks, >Kraig > >In a message dated 3/28/04 8:05:52 PM Central Standard Time, rick@eworld3.net >writes: > ><< I think someone else had this same problem not too long ago. Check the > archives for this list. > > Kraigjones@aol.com wrote: > > I'm running Fedora Core 1, usually with KDE. I was playing with some >Windows > > stuff and Wine, and since then my x-server does not work. The last thing >I > > was doing in Wine was trying to install a game that had some DirectX >components > > and IE5 or IE6 as part of the install. Now Fedora seems to be OK up to > > startx, then the monitor starts to go to a graphics mode, then to black >screen, > > then I see a text login, then back to the graphics mode, black, and repeat. > > > > With Fedora, I'm not sure how to get my x-configuration back to what it > > should be, without risking making things worse. I'd appreciate any help. >Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff > >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Mar 29 17:25:50 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403292325.i2TNPor17235@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Toshiba Satellite Pro 460CDT Pentium 166MHz Level 2 Cache 256 KB CDROM 10x [I booted a Gentoo CD from it] 32 MB RAM (MaxRAM=160 MB) No Hard Drive HD Caddy & Screws included No Floppy Drive AC Adaptor Track Point (PS/2 Mouse/Keyboard port) Maximum Resolution 800 x 600 TFT LCD Active Matrix Video Memory 2 MB C&T F65554 Diagonal Screen Size 12.1 in External display to 1280x1024 Sound Yamaha OPL3-SA3 Serial, Parellel, VGA, USB, and IR 2 PCMCIA slots http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Mar 29 17:29:52 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403292329.i2TNTq217333@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Compaq LTE ELITE 4/40CX 486 DX2 40MHz Floppy Drive No Hard Drive HD Caddy & Screws included No CDROM Power Cable. Track Ball 20mb RAM Display 8.4 in TFT Parellel, Serial, VGA, Keyboard, 2 PCMCIA slots http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Mar 29 17:27:19 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403292327.i2TNRJN17246@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Compaq Armada 1550 DMT Pentium 200 MHz 16MB RAM "EDO DRAM" (MaxRAM=80 MB) No Hard Drive HD Caddy & Screws included No Floppy Drive CDROM 10x Touchpad (Keyboard/Mouse port) Maximum Resolution 800 x 600 TFT active matrix Video Memory 1 MB Cirrus Logic GD7548 Diagonal Screen Size 12.1 in Sound ESS 1828 Serial, Parellel, VGA, IR, 2 PCMCIA slots http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Mar 29 17:28:09 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403292328.i2TNS9j17267@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Compaq Armada 4131T Pentium 133 MHz 80 MB RAM (MaxRAM=80 MB) No Hard Drive HD Caddy & Screws included No CDROM Floppy Drive 3.5" HD Touchpad (Keyboard/Mouse port) Maximum Resolution 800 x 600 LCD Active Matrix Video Memory 1 MB Cirrus Logic GD7548 Diagonal Screen Size 12.1 in Sound ESS 1788 Serial, Parellel, VGA, IR, 2 PCMCIA slots, Video Out (RCA) http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Mon Mar 29 17:22:10 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (erik@andersonfam.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blog software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080602530.4068afa20543f@webmail.andersonfam.org> Quoting "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" : > My girlfriend wants me to set up a blog thingy for her. I'm using Personal > Weblog (http://www.kyne.com.au/~mark/software/weblog.php) on my homepage, > but that hasn't been developed for almost two years now. > > Wondering if any LUGers have any leads on good projects that the girl > can use. She's fairly knowledgable about computer stuff, but knows 0 HTML, > and her will glaze over at the mention of MySQL, SCP, or even FTP. :) > > Personally, I'd like it to be able to support pam authientaction, but I > can live with it storing a seperate user/pass in it's database. A co-worker of mine just set up WordPress and he's been really happy with it so far. Check it out here: http://wordpress.org/ -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Mar 29 18:09:52 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trash Can Icon Message-ID: <1080605392.3389.12.camel@angband> I installed Fedora Core yesterday on my Compaq E500. Very nice install by the way... The only obstacle I've run in to is changing the icon for the Trash on the desktop. I want to change it from what comes with Fedora to more Traditional Trash can, that I know and love. I even logged in as root and made the change but it will not change or stay changed after I click the "OK" button. It's like the OK button is doing a "Cancel" I can see the Trash Can icon on the button for changing the icon. Anyone else have this happen? Anyone have a fix? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Mar 29 18:19:18 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source Forge Message-ID: <4068BD06.1080000@visi.com> Everyone may know this already... The U of M source forge mirror is up! c|:o) Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Mar 29 19:23:27 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba/winbind authentication with active directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040329192327.04bd0d54.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:12:00 -0600 "Josh Close" wrote: > > I joing the domain by > > smbpasswd -j DOMAIN -r domain-controller -U Administrator > On the RHEL boxes I joined to the domain, it was a command similar to: net RPC join -U domainid Take a look at my smb.conf file that I posed earlier today on the options within there. I did not have to much around with any PAM settings. Winbind was the issue, and once I got that to run I could join the domain without any issues. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ston0235 at umn.edu Mon Mar 29 19:46:08 2004 From: ston0235 at umn.edu (Ian Stoner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blog software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040329194608.3411ec52.ston0235@umn.edu> > Wondering if any LUGers have any leads on good projects that the girl > can use. She's fairly knowledgable about computer stuff, but knows 0 > HTML, and her will glaze over at the mention of MySQL, SCP, or even > FTP. :) I just set up a blog a week or so ago, and used Movable Type (http://www.movabletype.org/). Once it is configured, you interact with it entirely through a web interface. It helps to know things like and tags if you want anything other than plain text in your posts, though. The software has detailed setup instructions that make it easy to set up. I spent about half an hour doing some minimal tweaking of its stylesheets. If you want to see what it looks like *almost* out of the box, check out my blog at http://goodmanbrown.dnsalias.org/~istoner/blog/ I believe Movable Type also has a free online service, that you sign up for an account and get a pre-configured blog. But I didn't try that out. Ian -- Ian Stoner Philosophy Department University of Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Mar 29 20:39:30 2004 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blog software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16488.56802.108981.98030@gargle.gargle.HOWL> My bloggy friends say good things about Bloxsom, but I don't have any personal experience. Simple perl script to do everything. Blog posts are simple files in the filesystem (no need for funky database). OTOH, I suspect that means you write HTML. OTOOH, I've set up a tiki that has blogs, but I think this wiki syntax is really putrid. Actually seems far less predictable in terms of what you type and what you get than HTML.... R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Mar 29 21:04:08 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blog software References: Message-ID: <007501c41603$ab553ea0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) writes: > Wondering if any LUGers have any leads on good projects that the girl > can use. http://www.livejournal.com/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Mar 29 21:01:35 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php 4 and 5 References: <16487.17477.181877.265126@gargle.gargle.HOWL><20040329123318.B9033@thinkunix.net> <40686F35.7020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002001c41603$4ff202f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> chuck writes: > does anyone know if it is possible to get php 4 and 5 running together > under apache 2? Use FastCGI, it rocks. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Mon Mar 29 21:03:09 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 Message-ID: <200403300303.i2U339p06427@ecstasy1.winternet.com> I'm trying to access my Catalyst 1900 via the serial console. I built a DB9 to RJ-45 cable by cutting a DB9 cable and RJ-45 cable in half and soldering the appropriate ends together as defined here: http://www.hardwarebook.net/cable/serial/cuscoconsole9.html It is based on: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/28201900/1928v8x/19icg8x/19icinst.htm The cable I built is identical to the cable described in this Cisco manual, except it is a single piece cable (doesn't have crossover RJ-45 and RJ-45 crossover to DB9 adapter and separate modules). ------ I can't seem to establish a serial connection between my Linux PC serial port and the Catalyst 1900. I'm using minicom. I've tried using /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS2, and /dev/ttyS3 to no avail. I'm not even sure the serial ports on this machine work, since I've never tried to use them before. (I have an internal modem at /dev/ttyS4 that worked a few years ago, but is now broken.) I've set the port to 9600, 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit, and no flow control just as specified by the 1900 manual. I assume the 1900 should send something to the serial console when it powers up. It probably should also send something when it receives something from the serial console as well. Does anyone have any suggestions concerning establishing a serial connection with the Cisco Catalyst 1900's serial console? Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Mar 29 21:18:04 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trash Can Icon In-Reply-To: <1080605392.3389.12.camel@angband> References: <1080605392.3389.12.camel@angband> Message-ID: <1080616683.31694.2.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 18:09, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I installed Fedora Core yesterday on my Compaq E500. > Very nice install by the way... > > The only obstacle I've run in to is changing the icon for > the Trash on the desktop. I want to change it from what > comes with Fedora to more Traditional Trash can, that I > know and love. You can't change the trash can icon in the same way you can change other icons because of the way the icon changes when it's empty and full. The only clean way I know to change it is to change the icon theme. Click the Main Menu (the red hat) > preferences > theme then details then click the icon tab and pick a different theme, Which changes a lot of your icons. The other way I know, which is a hack, is to figure out where the trash icons are located and copy other icon files to the same names. Mine are here (this is redhat 9 but I think fedora it's the same or close) : /usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/48x48/filesystems/trashcan_empty.png /usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/48x48/filesystems/trashcan_full.png Bluecurve is a theme, 48x48 is the size. If you can't find your icons you could run this as root to give you some ideas on where to look: find / -name trashcan_empty* hope this helps, - Tom -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Mar 29 21:29:28 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200403300329.i2U3TSJ20076@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: IBM Aptiva Machine Type: IBM 2171 Model Number: 905 P3 500MHz, 64MB, CD, floppy, no NIC, no hard drive $50 http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 29 12:08:50 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until 6:00pm Message-ID: <200403291208.52657@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It's that time again. No! Not springtime, Installfest time! With the warm weather and sunlight(!) it's time for geeks to head in doors and get linux running on those ancient P75s and i486s! You say, "P75s? i486s?" I say, "Yes!" Because the last time we had an installfest at this location, these boxes where the cutting edge of technology :-P Everyone is welcome to the installfest at: Benchmark New Horizons 4510 West 77th Street Suite 210 Edina, Minnesota 55435 http://www.benchmarklearning.com/Directions_to_Benchmark.asp April 24, 2004 Start: 10:00am End: 6:00pm-ish - -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAaGY0fPGnCSzBsogRAqUpAJ0fzTAbwbbXPaxiR8AVu3MlCfhqxgCgq/lP ujbxeQxRO+1nIupd1SV/DGY= =834E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Mar 29 22:12:16 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trash Can Icon In-Reply-To: <1080616683.31694.2.camel@lotsa> References: <1080605392.3389.12.camel@angband> <1080616683.31694.2.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <4068F3A0.3090202@visi.com> Funny thing the trash can icon never changes when I change a theme. Sam. Tom Penney wrote: >On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 18:09, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I installed Fedora Core yesterday on my Compaq E500. >> Very nice install by the way... >> >>The only obstacle I've run in to is changing the icon for >>the Trash on the desktop. I want to change it from what >>comes with Fedora to more Traditional Trash can, that I >>know and love. >> >> > >You can't change the trash can icon in the same way you can change other >icons because of the way the icon changes when it's empty and full. The >only clean way I know to change it is to change the icon theme. Click >the Main Menu (the red hat) > preferences > theme then details then >click the icon tab and pick a different theme, Which changes a lot of >your icons. > >The other way I know, which is a hack, is to figure out where the trash >icons are located and copy other icon files to the same names. >Mine are here (this is redhat 9 but I think fedora it's the same or >close) : >/usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/48x48/filesystems/trashcan_empty.png >/usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/48x48/filesystems/trashcan_full.png > >Bluecurve is a theme, 48x48 is the size. > >If you can't find your icons you could run this as root to give you some >ideas on where to look: >find / -name trashcan_empty* > >hope this helps, > >- Tom > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us Mon Mar 29 22:05:48 2004 From: dmillaway at holdingford.k12.mn.us (Dana Millaway) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until6:00pm In-Reply-To: <200403291208.52657@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <00b101c4160c$4b695770$c56000ae@tcat> Okay, this is cool. I have cleared my calendar for this! Now, keeping in mind that I am a raw beginner at Linux, what do I need to bring besides myself, the computer I want to load Linux on and some assorted power cables, keyboards, etc.? Will I need to have CD's with a copy of some flavor of Linux or will we have network access? Is there a preferred flavor? Will there be an interpreter/liaison when all the experts go too fast and use too many acronyms? ;-) I have experience fdisking, reformatting and reloading windoze machines but it has been a while since I have dealt with command line interface. The extent of my Linux is how to login, logout, change directories and list files. Will it be a total waste of my time and someone else's as they show me the ropes, hopefully letting ME do the actual work? I would really like to bring a used Dell Poweredge with a RAID setup that I would like to be our filtering/proxy server but if that is beyond what anyone wants to tackle in this setting, I would be happy to bring a PII or PIII and go from there. Please don't flame me for not being a total geek. I'm one the new Linux converts who's been lurking on the edge watching it develop and waiting until I thought I could wade in and not immediately drown. :) Thanks. Dana S. Millaway District Technology Coordinator Holdingford Public School _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Mar 29 22:22:40 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trash Can Icon In-Reply-To: <1080616683.31694.2.camel@lotsa> References: <1080605392.3389.12.camel@angband> <1080616683.31694.2.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <4068F610.6030307@visi.com> Holy Cow! I didn't even think of changing the theme Just call me Homer! Thanks Tom. Sam. Tom Penney wrote: >On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 18:09, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I installed Fedora Core yesterday on my Compaq E500. >> Very nice install by the way... >> >>The only obstacle I've run in to is changing the icon for >>the Trash on the desktop. I want to change it from what >>comes with Fedora to more Traditional Trash can, that I >>know and love. >> >> > >You can't change the trash can icon in the same way you can change other >icons because of the way the icon changes when it's empty and full. The >only clean way I know to change it is to change the icon theme. Click >the Main Menu (the red hat) > preferences > theme then details then >click the icon tab and pick a different theme, Which changes a lot of >your icons. > >The other way I know, which is a hack, is to figure out where the trash >icons are located and copy other icon files to the same names. >Mine are here (this is redhat 9 but I think fedora it's the same or >close) : >/usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/48x48/filesystems/trashcan_empty.png >/usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/48x48/filesystems/trashcan_full.png > >Bluecurve is a theme, 48x48 is the size. > >If you can't find your icons you could run this as root to give you some >ideas on where to look: >find / -name trashcan_empty* > >hope this helps, > >- Tom > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Mar 29 22:29:33 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until6:00pm In-Reply-To: <00b101c4160c$4b695770$c56000ae@tcat> References: <00b101c4160c$4b695770$c56000ae@tcat> Message-ID: <4068F7AD.60000@visi.com> Someone needs to update the Installfest page ASAP! Sam. Dana Millaway wrote: >Okay, this is cool. I have cleared my calendar for this! > >Now, keeping in mind that I am a raw beginner at Linux, what do I need to >bring besides myself, the computer I want to load Linux on and some assorted >power cables, keyboards, etc.? Will I need to have CD's with a copy of some >flavor of Linux or will we have network access? Is there a preferred >flavor? Will there be an interpreter/liaison when all the experts go too >fast and use too many acronyms? ;-) > >I have experience fdisking, reformatting and reloading windoze machines but >it has been a while since I have dealt with command line interface. The >extent of my Linux is how to login, logout, change directories and list >files. Will it be a total waste of my time and someone else's as they show >me the ropes, hopefully letting ME do the actual work? I would really like >to bring a used Dell Poweredge with a RAID setup that I would like to be our >filtering/proxy server but if that is beyond what anyone wants to tackle in >this setting, I would be happy to bring a PII or PIII and go from there. > >Please don't flame me for not being a total geek. I'm one the new Linux >converts who's been lurking on the edge watching it develop and waiting >until I thought I could wade in and not immediately drown. :) > >Thanks. > >Dana S. Millaway >District Technology Coordinator >Holdingford Public School > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phila at cascopoint.com Mon Mar 29 22:25:10 2004 From: phila at cascopoint.com (Anton Yurchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <200403300303.i2U339p06427@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200403300303.i2U339p06427@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <4068F6A6.8010901@cascopoint.com> Ken Fuchs wrote: >I'm trying to access my Catalyst 1900 via the serial console. > >I built a DB9 to RJ-45 cable by cutting a DB9 cable and RJ-45 cable in >half and soldering the appropriate ends together as defined here: > >http://www.hardwarebook.net/cable/serial/cuscoconsole9.html > >It is based on: > >http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/28201900/1928v8x/19icg8x/19icinst.htm > >The cable I built is identical to the cable described in this Cisco >manual, except it is a single piece cable (doesn't have crossover RJ-45 >and RJ-45 crossover to DB9 adapter and separate modules). > >------ > >I can't seem to establish a serial connection between my Linux PC serial >port and the Catalyst 1900. I'm using minicom. I've tried using >/dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS2, and /dev/ttyS3 to no avail. I'm not >even sure the serial ports on this machine work, since I've never tried >to use them before. (I have an internal modem at /dev/ttyS4 that worked >a few years ago, but is now broken.) I've set the port to 9600, 8 bits, >no parity, 1 stop bit, and no flow control just as specified by the 1900 >manual. > >I assume the 1900 should send something to the serial console when it >powers up. It probably should also send something when it receives >something from the serial console as well. > >Does anyone have any suggestions concerning establishing a serial >connection with the Cisco Catalyst 1900's serial console? > > > It will give you a version and other stuff on bootup, apart from making sure that you do not have serial ports disabled in BIOS( that happens) I`d still blame the cable. Did you just cut of a jack off an existing rj-45 cable? Becouse the pinout on the cisco console cable is not the same as with EIA/TIA 568a or 568b standards. I sugest you check it. If you have a ohmmeter/voltmeter try to check each pin. I did this kind of cable myself, and it worked. Though I didn`t use instructions from the hardwarebook.net. Check the cisco site it has a pinout from db9 to rj45 connector. >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Mar 29 22:27:47 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until6:00pm In-Reply-To: <00b101c4160c$4b695770$c56000ae@tcat> References: <00b101c4160c$4b695770$c56000ae@tcat> Message-ID: <4068F743.3000002@visi.com> "what do I need to bring besides myself" Donuts would be nice! If you have a distribution you want to use bring it. Bring some burnable CD's if you don't have a distribution. Stick with the PIII if your going to bring a machine. Sam. Dana Millaway wrote: >Okay, this is cool. I have cleared my calendar for this! > >Now, keeping in mind that I am a raw beginner at Linux, what do I need to >bring besides myself, the computer I want to load Linux on and some assorted >power cables, keyboards, etc.? Will I need to have CD's with a copy of some >flavor of Linux or will we have network access? Is there a preferred >flavor? Will there be an interpreter/liaison when all the experts go too >fast and use too many acronyms? ;-) > >I have experience fdisking, reformatting and reloading windoze machines but >it has been a while since I have dealt with command line interface. The >extent of my Linux is how to login, logout, change directories and list >files. Will it be a total waste of my time and someone else's as they show >me the ropes, hopefully letting ME do the actual work? I would really like >to bring a used Dell Poweredge with a RAID setup that I would like to be our >filtering/proxy server but if that is beyond what anyone wants to tackle in >this setting, I would be happy to bring a PII or PIII and go from there. > >Please don't flame me for not being a total geek. I'm one the new Linux >converts who's been lurking on the edge watching it develop and waiting >until I thought I could wade in and not immediately drown. :) > >Thanks. > >Dana S. Millaway >District Technology Coordinator >Holdingford Public School > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Mon Mar 29 22:33:29 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <200403300303.i2U339p06427@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: Don't blast me, but I know that Windows HyperTerm, TeraTerm and obviously others work. To rule out a bad port on the Linux box or minicom (which I've never tried, but I'm sure works) try a Windows machine running one of those. If it doesn't work on that, bad port or bad cable. It at least cuts the problem area in half. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ken Fuchs Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:03 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 I'm trying to access my Catalyst 1900 via the serial console. I built a DB9 to RJ-45 cable by cutting a DB9 cable and RJ-45 cable in half and soldering the appropriate ends together as defined here: http://www.hardwarebook.net/cable/serial/cuscoconsole9.html It is based on: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/28201900/1928v8x/19icg8x /19icinst.htm The cable I built is identical to the cable described in this Cisco manual, except it is a single piece cable (doesn't have crossover RJ-45 and RJ-45 crossover to DB9 adapter and separate modules). ------ I can't seem to establish a serial connection between my Linux PC serial port and the Catalyst 1900. I'm using minicom. I've tried using /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS2, and /dev/ttyS3 to no avail. I'm not even sure the serial ports on this machine work, since I've never tried to use them before. (I have an internal modem at /dev/ttyS4 that worked a few years ago, but is now broken.) I've set the port to 9600, 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit, and no flow control just as specified by the 1900 manual. I assume the 1900 should send something to the serial console when it powers up. It probably should also send something when it receives something from the serial console as well. Does anyone have any suggestions concerning establishing a serial connection with the Cisco Catalyst 1900's serial console? Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Mar 29 22:33:56 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trash Can Icon In-Reply-To: <4068F3A0.3090202@visi.com> References: <1080605392.3389.12.camel@angband> <1080616683.31694.2.camel@lotsa> <4068F3A0.3090202@visi.com> Message-ID: <1080621236.31694.5.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 22:12, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Funny thing the trash can icon never changes when I change a theme. I could send you some different ones if you want to copy them into place. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Mon Mar 29 22:56:57 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blog software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200403292256.57915.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 29 March 2004 04:45 pm, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > My girlfriend wants me to set up a blog thingy for her. I'm using Personal > Weblog (http://www.kyne.com.au/~mark/software/weblog.php) on my homepage, > but that hasn't been developed for almost two years now. > > Wondering if any LUGers have any leads on good projects that the girl > can use. She's fairly knowledgable about computer stuff, but knows 0 HTML, > and her will glaze over at the mention of MySQL, SCP, or even FTP. :) > > Personally, I'd like it to be able to support pam authientaction, but I > can live with it storing a seperate user/pass in it's database. > If you're willing to run Zope there's CoreBlog. There's even an article on it in this month's Linux Journal. We looked at in class last quarter it's a nice blog. Not sure if it supports any of the blog APIs or not. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Mon Mar 29 23:06:24 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until6:00pm In-Reply-To: <00b101c4160c$4b695770$c56000ae@tcat> References: <00b101c4160c$4b695770$c56000ae@tcat> Message-ID: <200403292306.24136.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 29 March 2004 10:05 pm, Dana Millaway wrote: > Okay, this is cool. I have cleared my calendar for this! > > Now, keeping in mind that I am a raw beginner at Linux, what do I need to > bring besides myself, the computer I want to load Linux on and some > assorted power cables, keyboards, etc.? Will I need to have CD's with a > copy of some flavor of Linux or will we have network access? Is there a > preferred flavor? Will there be an interpreter/liaison when all the > experts go too fast and use too many acronyms? ;-) > > I have experience fdisking, reformatting and reloading windoze machines but > it has been a while since I have dealt with command line interface. The > extent of my Linux is how to login, logout, change directories and list > files. Will it be a total waste of my time and someone else's as they show > me the ropes, hopefully letting ME do the actual work? I would really like > to bring a used Dell Poweredge with a RAID setup that I would like to be > our filtering/proxy server but if that is beyond what anyone wants to > tackle in this setting, I would be happy to bring a PII or PIII and go from > there. > > Please don't flame me for not being a total geek. I'm one the new Linux > converts who's been lurking on the edge watching it develop and waiting > until I thought I could wade in and not immediately drown. :) > > Thanks. > > Dana S. Millaway > District Technology Coordinator > Holdingford Public School Generally you don't need to bring CD-ROMs. If you have a particular distribution you want to install then bring it to make sure you can. Otherwise there are usually CD-ROM burners (bring blank media or cash) and network servers for installing from. If you want to bring the Poweredge I'm sure you'd get some help, this group loves a challenge! 8^) Some suggestions: 1. Do some homework. If you plan to try installing to a specialized box google, google groups, and google again for any information on peoples history installing Linux or the specific distro on the hardware. 2. Know what you want to do. Step 1 should help you get some idea of how long it might take to do a setup. Plan a couple of stopping points incase things don't go smoothly. 3. Don't worry about "doing it yourself". I can't speak for others, but I don't usually stand around watching once an install gets going. I'm there to help whoever and however I can, so once your going your on your own until it breaks. 8^) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Mar 30 00:16:37 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <4068F6A6.8010901@cascopoint.com> (message from Anton Yurchenko on Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:25:10 -0600) References: <200403300303.i2U339p06427@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <4068F6A6.8010901@cascopoint.com> Message-ID: <200403300616.i2U6GbX09017@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Anton Yurchenko's generous response was: >It will give you a version and other stuff on boot-up, apart from making >sure that you do not have serial ports disabled in BIOS( that happens) I tried a different computer whose BIOS had both serial ports enabled, but I had no success. I tried a second Catalyst 1900, but again no success. I tried /dev/ttyS[0-3]. >I`d still blame the cable. Did you just cut of a jack off an existing >rj-45 cable? Because the pin-out on the cisco console cable is not the >same as with EIA/TIA 568a or 568b standards. I suggest you check it. If >you have a ohmmeter/voltmeter try to check each pin. I did this kind of >cable myself, and it worked. Though I didn`t use instructions from the >hardwarebook.net. Check the cisco site it has a pin-out from db9 to rj-45 >connector. I did a continuity check of every wire in the cable from the DB9 to the RJ-45 end and also checked for all possible unwanted shorts. The cable wires are connected to the proper pins at each end and no shorts were detected. The hardwarebook.net cable diagram is equivalent to the one in the Cisco Catalyst 1900 manual. Is minicom the best GNU/Linux program to use to connect to the serial console of a Catalyst 1900? Is there a special sequence that needs to be followed? Sincerely, Ken Fuchs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ken Fuchs wrote: >>I built a DB9 to RJ-45 cable by cutting a DB9 cable and RJ-45 cable in >>half and soldering the appropriate ends together as defined here: >> >>http://www.hardwarebook.net/cable/serial/cuscoconsole9.html >> >>It is based on: >> >>http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/28201900/1928v8x/19icg8x/19icinst.htm >> >>The cable I built is identical to the cable described in this Cisco >>manual >>I can't seem to establish a serial connection between my Linux PC serial >>port and the Catalyst 1900. I'm using minicom. I've tried using >>/dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS2, and /dev/ttyS3 to no avail. I'm not >>even sure the serial ports on this machine work, since I've never tried >>to use them before. (I have an internal modem at /dev/ttyS4 that worked >>a few years ago, but is now broken.) I've set the port to 9600, 8 bits, >>no parity, 1 stop bit, and no flow control just as specified by the 1900 >>manual. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Mar 30 07:47:31 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <200403300616.i2U6GbX09017@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200403300303.i2U339p06427@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <4068F6A6.8010901@cascopoint.com> <200403300616.i2U6GbX09017@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040330134731.GA13961@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 12:16:37AM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: > Is minicom the best GNU/Linux program to use to connect to the serial > console of a Catalyst 1900? Is there a special sequence that needs to > be followed? > Minicom works, but I've found that screen works better for me. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Mar 30 08:16:08 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <200403300303.i2U339p06427@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200403300303.i2U339p06427@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <2596.156.99.116.45.1080656168.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > I'm trying to access my Catalyst 1900 via the serial console. Weird... I'm trying to connect to a Catalyst 2820 and having the identical problem. The 2820 and 1900 are the same switch. The 2820 has a DB9 connector instead of the RJ45. I tried making a cable, then I tried a real serial cable, then I tried a Cisco rollover cable with a DB9 <-> RJ45 terminal adapter on each end. Nothing. I tested the pinouts with a VOM and it's correct. I'm using 9600 8N2 in minicom as described in the manual. No response at all from the switch. I'll try Windows apps and other linux apps like screen. If I manage to get in, I'll post it, I'd apreciate the same if you get it to work. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Mar 30 08:21:28 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200403301421.i2UELSe13680@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Daniel Rysztak wrote: >Don't blast me, but I know that Windows HyperTerm, TeraTerm and obviously >others work. To rule out a bad port on the Linux box or minicom (which I've >never tried, but I'm sure works) try a Windows machine running one of those. >If it doesn't work on that, bad port or bad cable. It at least cuts the >problem area in half. Great suggestion! Thank you, Daniel! I booted one of my systems into MS Windows 2000, started HyperTerminal, created a simple "profile" for COM1 (ttyS0) and pressed return. I was "greeted" by the Catalyst 1900 Management Console initial screen. This means that the cable must be OK (I had no doubt about that - I built it and continuity/short tested it). ;) This also means that (at least the serial console part of) the Catalyst 1900 is also working. Sometimes, it's useful to use MS Windows on a rare occasion (once a year) for a few minutes before it crashes. :) I could proceed using MS Windows 2000 and HyperTerminal, but I would prefer to use GNU/Linux and minicom or another open source terminal program that runs on GNU/Linux. Does minicom require special configuration to run on a serial port? Is there another open source program more appropriate to the task? Sincerely, Ken Fuchs >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ken Fuchs >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:03 PM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 > > >I'm trying to access my Catalyst 1900 via the serial console. > >I built a DB9 to RJ-45 cable by cutting a DB9 cable and RJ-45 cable in >half and soldering the appropriate ends together as defined here: > >http://www.hardwarebook.net/cable/serial/cuscoconsole9.html > >It is based on: > >http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/28201900/1928v8x/19icg8x >/19icinst.htm > >The cable I built is identical to the cable described in this Cisco >manual, except it is a single piece cable (doesn't have crossover RJ-45 >and RJ-45 crossover to DB9 adapter and separate modules). > >------ > >I can't seem to establish a serial connection between my Linux PC serial >port and the Catalyst 1900. I'm using minicom. I've tried using >/dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS2, and /dev/ttyS3 to no avail. I'm not >even sure the serial ports on this machine work, since I've never tried >to use them before. (I have an internal modem at /dev/ttyS4 that worked >a few years ago, but is now broken.) I've set the port to 9600, 8 bits, >no parity, 1 stop bit, and no flow control just as specified by the 1900 >manual. > >I assume the 1900 should send something to the serial console when it >powers up. It probably should also send something when it receives >something from the serial console as well. > >Does anyone have any suggestions concerning establishing a serial >connection with the Cisco Catalyst 1900's serial console? > >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Tue Mar 30 08:23:40 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blog software In-Reply-To: <007501c41603$ab553ea0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <007501c41603$ab553ea0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <406982EC.2010508@edenpr.k12.mn.us> For the longest time (before the horrible word blog existed) I had my own journal software that I made, but this last month I caved into livejournal... which of course I will write an app to periodically download entries from lj and add them to my mySQL database. -d :) David Phillips wrote: >Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) writes: > > >>Wondering if any LUGers have any leads on good projects that the girl >>can use. >> >> > >http://www.livejournal.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 30 09:00:58 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Trash Can Icon References: <1080605392.3389.12.camel@angband> <1080616683.31694.2.camel@lotsa> <4068F610.6030307@visi.com> Message-ID: Samuel MacDonald writes: > Just call me Homer! here we go again, first we had IdiotBen, then we had MoronDan... and now we have HomerSam -- Munir Nassar PS. Everybody: please trim your posts! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Mar 30 08:54:43 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <2596.156.99.116.45.1080656168.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> (lxy@cloudnet.com) References: <200403300303.i2U339p06427@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <2596.156.99.116.45.1080656168.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <200403301454.i2UEshx14158@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >Ken Fuchs wrote: >> I'm trying to access my Catalyst 1900 via the serial console. Brian wrote: >Weird... I'm trying to connect to a Catalyst 2820 and having the identical >problem. The 2820 and 1900 are the same switch. >The 2820 has a DB9 connector instead of the RJ45. I tried making a cable, >then I tried a real serial cable, then I tried a Cisco rollover cable with >a DB9 <-> RJ45 terminal adapter on each end. Nothing. I tested the >pin-outs with a VOM and it's correct. I'm using 9600 8N2 in minicom as >described in the manual. No response at all from the switch. In a previous message, I mentioned finally being able to connect to the Catalyst 1900 using MS Windows 2000 and Hyperterminal. The "profile" I used consisted of (obviously) no phone number, COM1, and serial parameters 9600, 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit and no flow control. Pressing return once in the terminal window resulted in the initial Catalyst 1900 identification information being displayed and a User Interface Menu prompt. >I'll try Windows apps and other linux apps like screen. If I manage to >get in, I'll post it, I'd appreciate the same if you get it to work. John J. Trammell wrote: >Minicom works, but I've found that screen works better for me. Thanks for the tip! OK, I'll try screen. Does anything special need to be done to get minicom to work? Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bwilinski at iexposure.com Tue Mar 30 09:01:31 2004 From: bwilinski at iexposure.com (Ben Wilinski) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200403300329.i2U3TSJ20076@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200403300329.i2U3TSJ20076@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200403300901.31417.bwilinski@iexposure.com> Am I too late for this one? Ben Wilinski On Monday 29 March 2004 09:29 pm, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: IBM Aptiva > > Machine Type: IBM 2171 > Model Number: 905 > > P3 500MHz, 64MB, CD, floppy, no NIC, no hard drive > > $50 > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Wilinski Associate Systems Administrator bwilinski@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x34 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Mar 30 09:06:58 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Trash Can Icon Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD50178EA53@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Um....it was retard Dan...and you still have him...or am I replaced that easily? :p Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of nassarmu@redconcepts.net Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:01 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Trash Can Icon Samuel MacDonald writes: > Just call me Homer! here we go again, first we had IdiotBen, then we had MoronDan... and now we have HomerSam -- Munir Nassar PS. Everybody: please trim your posts! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 30 09:07:39 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 References: <200403301421.i2UELSe13680@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: Ken Fuchs writes: > I could proceed using MS Windows 2000 and HyperTerminal, but I would > prefer to use GNU/Linux and minicom or another open source terminal > program that runs on GNU/Linux. Does minicom require special > configuration to run on a serial port? Is there another open source > program more appropriate to the task? minicom sucks! there i said it. so flame me! use the infinately more versatile cu instead. it is usually part of the uucp package. $ cu -s 9600 -l /dev/ttyS0 word of warning: cu uses ~ as the escape char, same as ssh. so if you ssh into a box and use cu change the default escape char, -E` for example. otherwise you end up wondering why your ssh session died when you sent a break to the router :) -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Tue Mar 30 09:49:07 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco Serial/RJ45 Cables (Was: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900) In-Reply-To: <200403301454.i2UEshx14158@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: I'm glad to hear your cable works, but just as a sidenote, I have heard of Qwest and other ISPs sending out these management cables to owners/renters of Cisco 675/678s in the past. They won't always, but a few friends have been able to sweet-talk them into it. Just a thought for anyone else that might want or need one of these. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 30 09:46:18 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! Message-ID: Its that time again, time for another beermeeting. I am thinking that this time it will be at the Glocken Spiel in St.Paul. Last time we were there it was during October fest, there was music, singing, dancing and good beer. Sadly there will most likely not be any live music this time, but enough of the good beer and you will be singing and dancing anyways. This Friday, April 2nd, 6pm. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Tue Mar 30 11:02:30 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for Saturday's Meeting Message-ID: Good morning everyone. I mentioned two or three months ago to Clay that I had a possible line on a speaker from XioTech. (SAN manufacturer, spinoff from Seagate.) We had a last-minute attempt at nailing this down for last month's meeting, but my contact couldn't get an engineer scheduled that quickly (they all have kids, etc.) So I said I'd get back to her about this month. Well, I forgot about it until I got a message yesterday morning from Clay, so I called again. Turns out my contact had scheduled an engineer for the meeting Saturday, so yay for us, but it sounds like there's not a ton of interest in a meeting this Saturday, as there was only one response to Clay's "should we cancel this month" that he sent out yesterday. So my question: will there be enough people there to warrant having this guy come out, or should we push it back a month to generate a little more interest so the XioTech folk don't end up talking to four or five guys. Clay said he won't be there Saturday, and I'll be in Duluth, so if we want to continue with this meeting Saturday and get the XioTech engineer out, I need someone else who'd be willing to meet up with him and be a hospitable host and all that. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Mar 30 11:07:58 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco Serial/RJ45 Cables (Was: Serial console access to CiscoCatalyst 1900) In-Reply-To: References: <200403301454.i2UEshx14158@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1572.156.99.116.45.1080666478.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > I'm glad to hear your cable works, but just as a sidenote, I have heard of > Qwest and other ISPs sending out these management cables to owners/renters > of Cisco 675/678s in the past. They won't always, but a few friends have > been able to sweet-talk them into it. Rumor has it that the pinout is different on the 67x console cables than standard Cisco gear. Not a problem if you're armed with an RJ45 crimper, but something to be careful of. Thanks for the tip, I'll be bugging Qworst shortly. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Mar 30 11:25:01 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco Serial/RJ45 Cables (Was: Serial console access to CiscoCatalyst 1900) In-Reply-To: <1572.156.99.116.45.1080666478.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <200403301454.i2UEshx14158@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <1572.156.99.116.45.1080666478.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20040330172500.GA22904@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Mar 30, 2004), Brian was madly tapping out: > > I'm glad to hear your cable works, but just as a sidenote, I have heard of > > Qwest and other ISPs sending out these management cables to owners/renters > > of Cisco 675/678s in the past. They won't always, but a few friends have > > been able to sweet-talk them into it. > > Rumor has it that the pinout is different on the 67x console cables than > standard Cisco gear. Not a problem if you're armed with an RJ45 crimper, > but something to be careful of. > > Thanks for the tip, I'll be bugging Qworst shortly. the pinouts for the 600 series are different than the usual cisco serial pinouts. courtesy of the netspeed acquisition. pinouts for the 600 series can be found here[1]. be sure to pay attention to the cautionary note in the documentation. references ---------- [1] - http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/products/hw/modems/ps296/products_installation_guide_chapter09186a008007ddb1.html -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Mar 30 11:47:03 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for Saturday's Meeting In-Reply-To: (hoff0438@umn.edu) References: Message-ID: <200403301747.i2UHl3W15862@ecstasy1.winternet.com> John T. Hoffoss wrote: >So my question: will there be enough people there to warrant having >this guy come out, or should we push it back a month to generate a >little more interest so the XioTech folk don't end up talking to four >or five guys. I'll definitely be there! Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Mar 30 12:00:23 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) References: <200403301421.i2UELSe13680@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <200403301800.i2UI0NT16026@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Munir Nassar wrote: >minicom sucks! there i said it. so flame me! >use the infinitely more versatile cu instead. it is usually part of the >uucp package. >$ cu -s 9600 -l /dev/ttyS0 The above cu cmd line worked great in connecting to the Catalyst 1900. I did turn off flow control with "~%nostop", but it probably was already off. cu also probably uses 8 bits, no parity and one stop bit by default. >word of warning: cu uses ~ as the escape char, same as ssh. so if you ssh >into a box and use cu change the default escape char, -E` for example. >otherwise you end up wondering why your ssh session died when you sent a >break to the router :) Thanks for the warning. I used ssh to start an xterm and ran cu in the xterm, thus avoiding the escape character issue altogether. ------ I'm now in the 1900's diagnostic console hoping to clear out the password, so I can access management commands. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Tue Mar 30 08:51:06 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <200403300303.i2U339p06427@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200403300303.i2U339p06427@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040330145106.GA17793@dad1> On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 09:03:09PM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: > I'm trying to access my Catalyst 1900 via the serial console. > > I built a DB9 to RJ-45 cable by cutting a DB9 cable and RJ-45 cable in > half and soldering the appropriate ends together as defined here: > A good sanity check to do is to short pins 2 & 3(tx & rx) together, then tap some keys on the terminal program. Assuming no hardware flow control, you should see chars loop back around to your screen. This will tell you if you have the right port, if it is working, if your cable is ok. Karl. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 30 14:29:32 2004 From: jreynolds5 at mn.rr.com (jason reynolds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4069D8AC.9000101@mn.rr.com> I am curious as I am new to the area and have never been to any of tclug meetings. How many people attend these? nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > Its that time again, time for another beermeeting. > > I am thinking that this time it will be at the Glocken Spiel in St.Paul. > > Last time we were there it was during October fest, there was music, > singing, dancing and good beer. > > Sadly there will most likely not be any live music this time, but > enough of the good beer and you will be singing and dancing anyways. > > This Friday, April 2nd, 6pm. > > -- > Munir Nassar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 30 15:08:15 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: BeerMeeting time! References: <4069D8AC.9000101@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: jason reynolds writes: > I am curious as I am new to the area and have never been to any of tclug > meetings. How many people attend these? it varies, last time it was at this place we had 20something people attend. It was kinda crowded at some point. The last couple of beermeetings have been kinda weak so i only reserved for 12 people. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Tue Mar 30 15:28:06 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for Saturday's Meeting In-Reply-To: <200403301747.i2UHl3W15862@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: So that's two people confirmed as attending Saturday...any others? Anyone who wishes to see the Xio engineer that won't attend this month? John > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fuchs > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:47 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Speaker for Saturday's Meeting > > John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > >So my question: will there be enough people there to warrant having > >this guy come out, or should we push it back a month to generate a > >little more interest so the XioTech folk don't end up > talking to four > >or five guys. > > I'll definitely be there! > > Sincerely, > > Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 30 15:41:31 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: References: <200403301421.i2UELSe13680@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040330214131.GD25970@wookimus.net> On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 09:07:39AM -0600, nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > minicom sucks! there i said it. so flame me! I used to work on Cicso Catalysts with minicom w/o any problems. I believe some of the problems involved speed, so make sure you're serial connection isn't trying to recreate the autobahn. Dial down the speed to 19200 or 9600. IIRC, sometimes you need to reboot the switch and lay on the enter key immediately to get a response. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Mar 30 16:20:38 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Trash Can Icon In-Reply-To: References: <1080605392.3389.12.camel@angband> <1080616683.31694.2.camel@lotsa> <4068F610.6030307@visi.com> Message-ID: <4069F2B6.30907@visi.com> LOLROF! nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > Samuel MacDonald writes: > >> Just call me Homer! > > > here we go again, first we had IdiotBen, then we had MoronDan... and > now we have HomerSam > > -- > Munir Nassar > > PS. Everybody: please trim your posts! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Mar 30 16:23:46 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until6:00pm In-Reply-To: <4068F7AD.60000@visi.com> References: <00b101c4160c$4b695770$c56000ae@tcat> <4068F7AD.60000@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040330222346.GO15327@fandre.com> Done. If you are planning on attending, please register. There is a link on the installfest page: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ -- Clay On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Someone needs to update the Installfest page ASAP! > > Sam. > > Dana Millaway wrote: > > >Okay, this is cool. I have cleared my calendar for this! > > > >Now, keeping in mind that I am a raw beginner at Linux, what do I need to > >bring besides myself, the computer I want to load Linux on and some > >assorted > >power cables, keyboards, etc.? Will I need to have CD's with a copy of > >some > >flavor of Linux or will we have network access? Is there a preferred > >flavor? Will there be an interpreter/liaison when all the experts go too > >fast and use too many acronyms? ;-) > > > >I have experience fdisking, reformatting and reloading windoze machines but > >it has been a while since I have dealt with command line interface. The > >extent of my Linux is how to login, logout, change directories and list > >files. Will it be a total waste of my time and someone else's as they show > >me the ropes, hopefully letting ME do the actual work? I would really like > >to bring a used Dell Poweredge with a RAID setup that I would like to be > >our > >filtering/proxy server but if that is beyond what anyone wants to tackle in > >this setting, I would be happy to bring a PII or PIII and go from there. > > > >Please don't flame me for not being a total geek. I'm one the new Linux > >converts who's been lurking on the edge watching it develop and waiting > >until I thought I could wade in and not immediately drown. :) > > > >Thanks. > > > >Dana S. Millaway > >District Technology Coordinator > >Holdingford Public School > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Mar 30 16:32:34 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <200403301421.i2UELSe13680@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200403301421.i2UELSe13680@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <4069F582.5080005@visi.com> The 1900 has a web interface as well. Give it and IP address and you can use a browser to configure it. Sam. Ken Fuchs wrote: >Daniel Rysztak wrote: > > > >>Don't blast me, but I know that Windows HyperTerm, TeraTerm and obviously >>others work. To rule out a bad port on the Linux box or minicom (which I've >>never tried, but I'm sure works) try a Windows machine running one of those. >>If it doesn't work on that, bad port or bad cable. It at least cuts the >>problem area in half. >> >> > >Great suggestion! Thank you, Daniel! > >I booted one of my systems into MS Windows 2000, started HyperTerminal, >created a simple "profile" for COM1 (ttyS0) and pressed return. > >I was "greeted" by the Catalyst 1900 Management Console initial screen. >This means that the cable must be OK (I had no doubt about that - I >built it and continuity/short tested it). ;) This also means that (at >least the serial console part of) the Catalyst 1900 is also working. > >Sometimes, it's useful to use MS Windows on a rare occasion (once a >year) for a few minutes before it crashes. :) > >I could proceed using MS Windows 2000 and HyperTerminal, but I would >prefer to use GNU/Linux and minicom or another open source terminal >program that runs on GNU/Linux. Does minicom require special >configuration to run on a serial port? Is there another open source >program more appropriate to the task? > >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >>[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ken Fuchs >>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:03 PM >>To: TCLUG Mailing List >>Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 >> >> >>I'm trying to access my Catalyst 1900 via the serial console. >> >>I built a DB9 to RJ-45 cable by cutting a DB9 cable and RJ-45 cable in >>half and soldering the appropriate ends together as defined here: >> >>http://www.hardwarebook.net/cable/serial/cuscoconsole9.html >> >>It is based on: >> >>http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/28201900/1928v8x/19icg8x >>/19icinst.htm >> >>The cable I built is identical to the cable described in this Cisco >>manual, except it is a single piece cable (doesn't have crossover RJ-45 >>and RJ-45 crossover to DB9 adapter and separate modules). >> >>------ >> >>I can't seem to establish a serial connection between my Linux PC serial >>port and the Catalyst 1900. I'm using minicom. I've tried using >>/dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS2, and /dev/ttyS3 to no avail. I'm not >>even sure the serial ports on this machine work, since I've never tried >>to use them before. (I have an internal modem at /dev/ttyS4 that worked >>a few years ago, but is now broken.) I've set the port to 9600, 8 bits, >>no parity, 1 stop bit, and no flow control just as specified by the 1900 >>manual. >> >>I assume the 1900 should send something to the serial console when it >>powers up. It probably should also send something when it receives >>something from the serial console as well. >> >>Does anyone have any suggestions concerning establishing a serial >>connection with the Cisco Catalyst 1900's serial console? >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Ken Fuchs >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Tue Mar 30 19:51:47 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <2111.156.99.116.45.1080583910.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <1080697907.406a2433d5913@joshwelch.com> Quoting Nate Carlson : > What about the case (not sure if it's happened yet) where an upset > employee posts something internal about their ex-employer, and the > employer requests it to be removed? > > I've heard about this happening on various other lists. > I've heard about this type of thing as well, and it's certainly the type of thing that could trigger a DMCA take down letter. As a couple of people have already said, it is likely implicit in a "we never remove messages" policy that an exception is made for those messages that violate laws, but we may want to state it explicitly so as to not ruffle any feathers. As for other messages, I think the "never remove" policy is a good fit. There have been a couple of interesting articles about revisionist history on the net, publishers changing online content ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Mar 30 19:55:12 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <1080697907.406a2433d5913@joshwelch.com> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <2111.156.99.116.45.1080583910.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <1080697907.406a2433d5913@joshwelch.com> Message-ID: <20040331015512.GA30903@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Mar 30 20:27:34 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until6:00pm In-Reply-To: <20040330222346.GO15327@fandre.com> References: <00b101c4160c$4b695770$c56000ae@tcat> <4068F7AD.60000@visi.com> <20040330222346.GO15327@fandre.com> Message-ID: <406A2C96.2070608@eworld3.net> I know that there are newer pictures than this! Someone took pictures at the one where we lost power. Clay Fandre wrote: > Done. If you are planning on attending, please register. There is a > link on the installfest page: > http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ > > -- Clay -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From random at argle.org Tue Mar 30 20:18:51 2004 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for Saturday's Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406A2A8B.6050904@argle.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'll make it, with a newbie or 2 in tow. John T. Hoffoss wrote: | So that's two people confirmed as attending Saturday...any others? Anyone | who wishes to see the Xio engineer that won't attend this month? | | John | | |>-----Original Message----- |>From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org |>[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ken Fuchs |>Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:47 AM |>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Speaker for Saturday's Meeting |> |>John T. Hoffoss wrote: |> |> |>>So my question: will there be enough people there to warrant having |>>this guy come out, or should we push it back a month to generate a |>>little more interest so the XioTech folk don't end up |> |>talking to four |> |>>or five guys. |> |>I'll definitely be there! |> |>Sincerely, |> |>Ken Fuchs | | | | _______________________________________________ | TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota | http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org | https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAaiqL8/QSptFdBtURAgT7AJ97RJ66eiAgV1nfA8yrjByqd4ilGACcCG+e h9yqtLaMupl/BQeyq9X4iPE= =/hqb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Mar 30 20:25:23 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until6:00pm In-Reply-To: <00b101c4160c$4b695770$c56000ae@tcat> References: <00b101c4160c$4b695770$c56000ae@tcat> Message-ID: <406A2C13.3050904@eworld3.net> Dana Millaway wrote: > Okay, this is cool. I have cleared my calendar for this! > > Now, keeping in mind that I am a raw beginner at Linux, what do I need to > bring besides myself, the computer I want to load Linux on and some assorted > power cables, keyboards, etc.? Will I need to have CD's with a copy of some Bring everything that you need for the system. If you want sound to work then bring speakers. Please don't forget to bring the monitor. > flavor of Linux or will we have network access? Is there a preferred > flavor? Will there be an interpreter/liaison when all the experts go too > fast and use too many acronyms? ;-) It will be up to you to get the geek to slow down and translate. Most of us are patient but not all. I will try to make it to the fest and I'll be wearing a name badge, flag me down. > > I have experience fdisking, reformatting and reloading windoze machines but > it has been a while since I have dealt with command line interface. The > extent of my Linux is how to login, logout, change directories and list > files. Will it be a total waste of my time and someone else's as they show > me the ropes, hopefully letting ME do the actual work? I would really like You will do the work unless things get REALLY bad. If a guy named Munir or Jima has to help you then you know things are bad, but not hopeless. > to bring a used Dell Poweredge with a RAID setup that I would like to be our > filtering/proxy server but if that is beyond what anyone wants to tackle in > this setting, I would be happy to bring a PII or PIII and go from there. Bring the PIII and the Powersludge then you'll go home with at least one success and maybe two! I don't know how much space there is though, maybe someone else can comment. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at joshwelch.com Tue Mar 30 22:33:50 2004 From: tclug at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <20040331015512.GA30903@iucha.net> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <2111.156.99.116.45.1080583910.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <1080697907.406a2433d5913@joshwelch.com> <20040331015512.GA30903@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1080707630.406a4a2e7daec@joshwelch.com> Quoting Florin Iucha : > > Whose laws? State of Minnesota? US? EU? All the world? > Well, for a site hosted in the US, there would certainly be an obligation to comply with US law. Once again, the DMCA comes to mind as it seems it can apply to virtually anything that someone decides they don't want posted on the net. It may be necessary to comply with laws from abroad if a foreign court decides that the list content suitably violates their law, the case where French courts ruled that Yahoo! had to prevent auctions selling Nazi memorabilia from being veiwed by French citizens comes to mind. This was the ruling last I heard, I don't know if the French courts ever revisited this. Although I don't think RTE has any French operations, so this might not be a factor :) Mind you that I am not a big fan of these poorly thought through attempts at governing the Internet. They are, however, a current fact of life on the Internet today and when formulating a policy of this variety need to be considered. Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Mar 30 23:15:06 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for Saturday's Meeting In-Reply-To: <406A2A8B.6050904@argle.org> References: <406A2A8B.6050904@argle.org> Message-ID: <20040331051506.GA27209@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Mar 31 06:45:36 2004 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for Saturday's Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080737135.5382.80.camel@3po> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 31 07:32:44 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Installfest: April 24th from 10:00am until6:00pm In-Reply-To: <406A2C13.3050904@eworld3.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > You will do the work unless things get REALLY bad. If a guy named Munir > or Jima has to help you then you know things are bad, but not hopeless. I'm a harbinger of despair now? Sweet! :D Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 31 07:39:41 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <20040330214131.GD25970@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > I used to work on Cicso Catalysts with minicom w/o any problems. I > believe some of the problems involved speed, so make sure you're serial > connection isn't trying to recreate the autobahn. Dial down the speed > to 19200 or 9600. IIRC, sometimes you need to reboot the switch and lay > on the enter key immediately to get a response. I think my major issue has always been the dial strings. If they're set, minicom seems to think it has to dial for the connection to be active. My first step is usually to zero them all out. More recently, I've been using screen as a terminal emulator, thanks to Trammell's suggestion some time back. Since I've been a happy screen user for 9+ years, I tend to have it installed already. :) $ screen /dev/ttyS0 9600 vt100 I can't argue with the simplicity. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 31 07:41:51 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <20040330145106.GA17793@dad1> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Karl Bongers wrote: > A good sanity check to do is to short pins 2 & 3(tx & rx) together, > then tap some keys on the terminal program. Assuming no hardware flow > control, you should see chars loop back around to your screen. > This will tell you if you have the right port, if it is working, > if your cable is ok. Go figure, a neat serial hack from Karl. Sounds like a great test; I'll probably use this soon. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 31 08:03:01 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers Message-ID: Hi All- I'm getting a shipment of 220 computers together for Worldcomputerexchange.org. As of now I have 220 working pentium class machine but I'm 79 monitors, 74 PS/2 mice and 5 printers short. Wondering if anyone on the list knows where I could get my hands on this stuff. The monitors need to be working, color, 110/220 volt - most monitors that were made after 1995 are 110/220 autoswitching - which is wat I need. I can pay up to $10 each for monitors - up to $1 for mice or I can also issue a tax deduct receipt. If it matters (as I found it sometimes does) this shipment is going to Gujarat State, India... And no, I'm not shipping any jobs over there - just computers that would have probably ended up in a landfill.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Kraigjones at aol.com Wed Mar 31 08:01:06 2004 From: Kraigjones at aol.com (Kraigjones@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 - troubleshooting tip Message-ID: <15d.317e1167.2d9c2922@aol.com> In a message dated 3/31/04 7:52:32 AM Central Standard Time, jima@beer.tclug.org writes: << On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Karl Bongers wrote: > A good sanity check to do is to short pins 2 & 3(tx & rx) together, > then tap some keys on the terminal program. Assuming no hardware flow > control, you should see chars loop back around to your screen. > This will tell you if you have the right port, if it is working, > if your cable is ok. >> A good insanity check to do is to short the line cord black and white wires (Line and Neutral) together. Assuming no hardware flow control (circuit breaker, fuse or GFCI) you should see sparks flying around. This will tell you if you have your Cisco unit plugged in. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 31 09:17:07 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: References: <20040330214131.GD25970@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040331151707.GA2544@wookimus.net> On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 07:39:41AM -0600, Jima wrote: > $ screen /dev/ttyS0 9600 vt100 > > I can't argue with the simplicity. Screen-foo! Jima, you certainly come up with some nice gems every once and a while. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Mar 31 09:33:43 2004 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Mar 29, 2004, at 11:42 AM, Bob Tanner wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm looking for help on generating a policy that applies to removal of > postings from the tclug mailing list archives. > > The current policy was "never". This is my vote. Never EVER remove it or the email address. If people feel they have a way to remove their remarks from the archives, why be careful about what you say? > > I have retracted people's email addresses when they have requested it, > but > have always left the post in the archives. > > I'd like to formalize the policy for tclug and post it on the website, > make it > part of the into letter when you sub to the list, and make sure > everyone > "agrees" to it. > > I post this now and here, because I've run into an "issue" on another > mailing > list I maintain and I don't want it to ever happen here. > > Please help. > > Thanks. > > > - -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAaF/0fPGnCSzBsogRAv9QAKCHWuWCpsNVTR/5jtOd4W4qp4x7tACgu7+b > TblXhbquiK9o5B4keDG/fkI= > =WUHS > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens U.S. Admins, Inc Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Mar 31 09:51:11 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Wondering if anyone on the list knows where I could get my > hands on this stuff. The monitors need to be working, color, > 110/220 volt - most monitors that were made after 1995 are > 110/220 autoswitching - which is wat I need. At one time you could find used equipment here http://www1.umn.edu/reuse/ . Not sure if they still do it but all the contact information is on the page. Good luck. I know some of the stuff they used to get they'd probably give you for free just for taking it. It's worth a shot calling, at least... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Wed Mar 31 09:42:16 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080747737.23311.48.camel@chays.dyndns.org> Hello, In the building I work in down at the U of M, we have a "junk" pile people give to and take from. There are often about a dozen monitors there, mostly 15". We have taken several and they usually work. There are also often old keyboards/mice. I believe when labs upgrade their equipment, they throw it there. If you would like me to take a look I would be happy to do so. Please let me know. -Chuck Hays On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 08:03, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Hi All- > > I'm getting a shipment of 220 computers together for > Worldcomputerexchange.org. As of now I have 220 working pentium class > machine but I'm 79 monitors, 74 PS/2 mice and 5 printers short. > > Wondering if anyone on the list knows where I could get my hands on this > stuff. The monitors need to be working, color, 110/220 volt - most > monitors that were made after 1995 are 110/220 autoswitching - which is > wat I need. > > I can pay up to $10 each for monitors - up to $1 for mice or I can also > issue a tax deduct receipt. > > If it matters (as I found it sometimes does) this shipment is going to > Gujarat State, India... And no, I'm not shipping any jobs over there - > just computers that would have probably ended up in a landfill.... > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Wed Mar 31 09:50:21 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD5277E9@owa.compellent.com> Actually, you are shipping the pre-cursors to the jobs over there. You can't learn to program well without computers. Did you try finding a local charity that may need them? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Fulcrum Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:03 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers Hi All- I'm getting a shipment of 220 computers together for Worldcomputerexchange.org. As of now I have 220 working pentium class machine but I'm 79 monitors, 74 PS/2 mice and 5 printers short. Wondering if anyone on the list knows where I could get my hands on this stuff. The monitors need to be working, color, 110/220 volt - most monitors that were made after 1995 are 110/220 autoswitching - which is wat I need. I can pay up to $10 each for monitors - up to $1 for mice or I can also issue a tax deduct receipt. If it matters (as I found it sometimes does) this shipment is going to Gujarat State, India... And no, I'm not shipping any jobs over there - just computers that would have probably ended up in a landfill.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Wed Mar 31 09:59:08 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD5277EC@owa.compellent.com> I'd second the U of M, I've seen pallets of stuff sitting around, waiting for disposal I believe. I have one 15" monitor I need to get rid of. I will check the voltage. Can you pick up in eden prairie or apple valley? Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ben Neigebauer Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:50 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers Actually, you are shipping the pre-cursors to the jobs over there. You can't learn to program well without computers. Did you try finding a local charity that may need them? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Fulcrum Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:03 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers Hi All- I'm getting a shipment of 220 computers together for Worldcomputerexchange.org. As of now I have 220 working pentium class machine but I'm 79 monitors, 74 PS/2 mice and 5 printers short. Wondering if anyone on the list knows where I could get my hands on this stuff. The monitors need to be working, color, 110/220 volt - most monitors that were made after 1995 are 110/220 autoswitching - which is wat I need. I can pay up to $10 each for monitors - up to $1 for mice or I can also issue a tax deduct receipt. If it matters (as I found it sometimes does) this shipment is going to Gujarat State, India... And no, I'm not shipping any jobs over there - just computers that would have probably ended up in a landfill.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Wed Mar 31 09:59:50 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: (message from Jima on Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:39:41 -0600 (CST)) References: Message-ID: <200403311559.i2VFxol29085@ecstasy1.winternet.com> On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Chad Walstrom wrote: > I used to work on Cicso Catalysts with minicom w/o any problems. I > believe some of the problems involved speed, so make sure you're serial > connection isn't trying to recreate the autobahn. Dial down the speed > to 19200 or 9600. IIRC, sometimes you need to reboot the switch and lay > on the enter key immediately to get a response. Jima wrote: > I think my major issue has always been the dial strings. If they're set, >minicom seems to think it has to dial for the connection to be active. My >first step is usually to zero them all out. More recently, I've been >using screen as a terminal emulator, thanks to Trammell's suggestion some >time back. Since I've been a happy screen user for 9+ years, I tend to >have it installed already. :) Based on what Chad and Jima said, I finally got minicom to work with the Catalyst serial console. I created a minirc file ttyS0.9600.8N1 that obviously specifies the use of /dev/ttyS0 at 9600 bits/sec., 8 bits/character, no parity, and one stop bit. The command I use is: % minicom -o ttyS0.9600.8N1 The -o option instructs minicom to do no initialization, thus minicom will not attempt to "dial" a non-existent modem. Unfortunately, use of this option also means that minicom will ignore the (UUCP-style) lock, so other programs could attempt using /dev/ttyS0 as it is unlocked. minicom assumes that use of the -o option means that another program has been used to initialize the serial line and it may have the serial line locked. There may be a better way to get minicom to work with the Catalyst 1900 serial console, but the above command seems to work quite well. >$ screen /dev/ttyS0 9600 vt100 This works great too! However, this command line is inconsistent with the man page. I shouldn't be surprised by man page bugs in open source software. Right? Thanks again to Munir for: # cu -s 9600 -l /dev/ttyS0 ------ Thanks to everyone else who responded! Your help was most appreciated! Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Mar 31 10:01:33 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1080748893.31694.250.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 09:33, Ben wrote: > This is my vote. Never EVER remove it or the email address. > If people feel they have a way to remove their remarks from the > archives, why be careful about what you say? But what if some 3rd party said something about you that was not true. Maybe someone posts something like "B. L. destroyed my backups and sabotaged my network and and it cost me $3,000,000 in lost data". Some future prospective employer/client googles your name and an believes you are a criminal. Wouldn't you want that removed? I'm just sayin' who knows what someone might say. Sure, if someone makes themselves look like a fool they should live with it, but words can harm others too, others who might not deserve the consequences. IANAL but if the admin refuses to remove some slanderous remark because of some iron clad policy he put in place then he could be liable too. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jth at visi.com Tue Mar 30 10:07:44 2004 From: jth at visi.com (JTH) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for Saturday's Meeting Message-ID: <20040330160440.59DDB8293@conn.mc.mpls.visi.com> Good morning everyone. I mentioned two or three months ago to Clay that I had a possible line on a speaker from XioTech. (SAN manufacturer, spinoff from Seagate.) We had a last-minute attempt at nailing this down for last month's meeting, but my contact couldn't get an engineer scheduled that quickly (they all have kids, etc.) So I said I'd get back to her about this month. Well, I forgot about it until I got a message yesterday morning from Clay, so I called again. Turns out my contact had scheduled an engineer for the meeting Saturday, so yay for us, but it sounds like there's not a ton of interest in a meeting this Saturday, as there was only one response to Clay's "should we cancel this month" that he sent out yesterday. So my question: will there be enough people there to warrant having this guy come out, or should we push it back a month to generate a little more interest so the XioTech folk don't end up talking to four or five guys. Clay said he won't be there Saturday, and I'll be in Duluth, so if we want to continue with this meeting Saturday and get the XioTech engineer out, I need someone else who'd be willing to meet up with him and be a hospitable host and all that. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Mar 31 10:16:36 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD5277E9@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD5277E9@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <1080749796.31694.265.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 09:50, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Actually, you are shipping the pre-cursors to the jobs over there. > > You can't learn to program well without computers. So you are saying keep them poor and uniformed so that can't compete? I say give people the means to help themselves and the world will be a better place. People deserve to live an environment where they can be productive. If our junk can help make that happen I say do it. Where they live does not matter. I don't mean to pick on you, most people here feel the way you do, I just don't agree. I wish I had some monitors, mice, printers but I don't, sorry. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 31 10:34:45 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <1080748893.31694.250.camel@lotsa> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <1080748893.31694.250.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040331163445.GA3679@wookimus.net> On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:01:33AM -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > But what if some 3rd party said something about you that was not true. Then rather than waxing philosophic about it, the person being slandered should file a claim with the courts. If the courts decide in favor of the plaintif, orders can be issued to remove the offending material. Honestly, let's not make this a larger issue than it is. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 31 10:47:31 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: Dead horse was Re: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers In-Reply-To: <1080749796.31694.265.camel@lotsa> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD5277E9@owa.compellent.com> <1080749796.31694.265.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:16:36 -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 09:50, Ben Neigebauer wrote: >> Actually, you are shipping the pre-cursors to the jobs over there. >> >> You can't learn to program well without computers. > > So you are saying keep them poor and uniformed so that can't compete? I > say give people the means to help themselves and the world will be a > better place. People deserve to live an environment where they can be > productive. If our junk can help make that happen I say do it. Where > they live does not matter. > > I don't mean to pick on you, most people here feel the way you do, I > just don't agree. > Let's not start - it was not my intention. consider this a dead thread please... > I wish I had some monitors, mice, printers but I don't, sorry. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Mar 31 10:48:10 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <200403311559.i2VFxol29085@ecstasy1.winternet.com> References: <200403311559.i2VFxol29085@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040331164810.GB3679@wookimus.net> On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 09:59:50AM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: > >$ screen /dev/ttyS0 9600 vt100 > > This works great too! However, this command line is inconsistent with > the man page. I shouldn't be surprised by man page bugs in open > source software. Right? You prompted me to read the manpage more thoroughly. It's very long, and I tend only to look for what I need. Perhaps I should take up pleasure reading of random manpages. ;-) Here's the excerpt that describes this functionality for screen: WINDOW TYPE ... The normal window contains a shell (default, if no parameter is given) or any other sys? tem command that could be executed from a shell (e.g. slogin, etc...) If a tty (character special device) name (e.g. "/dev/ttya") is specified as the first parameter, then the window is directly connected to this device. This window type is similar to "screen cu -l /dev/ttya". Read and write access is required on the device node, an exclusive open is attempted on the node to mark the connection line as busy. An optional parameter is allowed consisting of a comma separated list of flags in the nota? tion used by stty(1): Usually 300, 1200, 9600 or 19200. This affects transmission as well as receive speed. cs8 or cs7 Specify the transmission of eight (or seven) bits per byte. ixon or -ixon Enables (or disables) software flow-control (CTRL-S/CTRL-Q) for sending data. ixoff or -ixon Enables (or disables) software flow-control for receiving data. istrip or -istrip Clear (or keep) the eight bit in each received byte. ... -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Wed Mar 31 10:46:34 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD5277F5@owa.compellent.com> I just was saying that it wasn't exactly true that he wasn't shipping jobs over. Every time you buy something made somewhere else, China, Malaysia, India you are contributing money to that country. Sure they don't make a huge wage, but where would they be with out that income? It may suck that some people aren't finding jobs, but in the long run, what's best for the world is best for all of us. I didn't say that was a good or bad thing. Um, if you notice the post after, I am delivering a monitor. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Tom Penney Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:17 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT: Need monitors, mice, printers On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 09:50, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Actually, you are shipping the pre-cursors to the jobs over there. > > You can't learn to program well without computers. So you are saying keep them poor and uniformed so that can't compete? I say give people the means to help themselves and the world will be a better place. People deserve to live an environment where they can be productive. If our junk can help make that happen I say do it. Where they live does not matter. I don't mean to pick on you, most people here feel the way you do, I just don't agree. I wish I had some monitors, mice, printers but I don't, sorry. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Mar 31 11:22:57 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: <20040331163445.GA3679@wookimus.net> References: <200403291142.12883@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <1080748893.31694.250.camel@lotsa> <20040331163445.GA3679@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1080753777.31694.267.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 10:34, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:01:33AM -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > > But what if some 3rd party said something about you that was not true. > > Then rather than waxing philosophic about it, the person being slandered > should file a claim with the courts. If the courts decide in favor of > the plaintif, orders can be issued to remove the offending material. > > Honestly, let's not make this a larger issue than it is. Your right, I'm just a little bored today I guess. :-) -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Wed Mar 31 12:24:55 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <20040331164810.GB3679@wookimus.net> (chewie@wookimus.net) References: <200403311559.i2VFxol29085@ecstasy1.winternet.com> <20040331164810.GB3679@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200403311824.i2VIOtE30797@ecstasy1.winternet.com> >On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 09:59:50AM -0600, Ken Fuchs wrote: >> >$ screen /dev/ttyS0 9600 vt100 >> >> This works great too! However, this command line is inconsistent with >> the man page. I shouldn't be surprised by man page bugs in open >> source software. Right? I was refering to the SYNOPSIS portion of the man page SYNOPSIS screen [ -options ] [ cmd [ args ] ] screen -r [[pid.]tty[.host]] screen -r sessionowner/[[pid.]tty[.host]] Command form #1 doesn't fit in my opinion. The man page might consider /dev/ttyS0 as a cmd, but most people consider it a special character device. I'd suggest adding another form like screen [ -options ] device [ args ] where one can search for "device" and find the appropriate args. Command forms #2 and #3 fit even less well than form #1. Searching for "cmd" in the man page doesn't seem to turn up anything useful either. Chad C. Walstrom wrote: >You prompted me to read the manpage more thoroughly. It's very long, >and I tend only to look for what I need. Perhaps I should take up >pleasure reading of random manpages. ;-) > >Here's the excerpt that describes this functionality for screen: > >WINDOW TYPE > > ... > > The normal window contains a shell (default, if no parameter is > given) or any other sys­ tem command that could be executed from a > shell (e.g. slogin, etc...) > > If a tty (character special device) name (e.g. "/dev/ttya") is > specified as the first parameter, then the window is directly > connected to this device. This window type is similar to > "screen cu -l /dev/ttya". Read and write access is required on the > device node, an exclusive open is attempted on the node to mark the > connection line as busy. An optional parameter is allowed > consisting of a comma separated list of flags in the nota­ tion used > by stty(1): > > > Usually 300, 1200, 9600 or 19200. This affects transmission as > well as receive speed. > > cs8 or cs7 > Specify the transmission of eight (or seven) bits per byte. > > ixon or -ixon > Enables (or disables) software flow-control (CTRL-S/CTRL-Q) for > sending data. > > ixoff or -ixon > Enables (or disables) software flow-control for receiving data. > > istrip or -istrip > Clear (or keep) the eight bit in each received byte. > > ... As Chad was kind enough to point out, the required information is in the screen man page, but I still think the SYNOPSIS of the screen man page is too vague and it doesn't lead one to the appropriate section of the man page via searching for "cmd". The screen man page is 3500 lines long. The cu man page is 267 lines. The minicom man page is 808 lines. For something as simple as connecting to a serial console, one should only have to look at the synopsis of a man page for a few seconds to determine what parameters to use and in what form to provide them. Plus maybe a few minutes to get the options right. Sometimes man page writers are too close to the program to write a logically structured, easy to search man page that concisely describes program function and how to activate each function. It's much easier to test a program on a machine than to test a man page on intelligent people that happen to know nothing about that particular program. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Wed Mar 31 13:03:07 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <4069F582.5080005@visi.com> Message-ID: Careful of using the web interface, it has been known to have security holes. I recommend turning the http server off in the switch. ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:33 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 The 1900 has a web interface as well. Give it and IP address and you can use a browser to configure it. Sam. Ken Fuchs wrote: >Daniel Rysztak wrote: > > > >>Don't blast me, but I know that Windows HyperTerm, TeraTerm and obviously >>others work. To rule out a bad port on the Linux box or minicom (which I've >>never tried, but I'm sure works) try a Windows machine running one of those. >>If it doesn't work on that, bad port or bad cable. It at least cuts the >>problem area in half. >> >> > >Great suggestion! Thank you, Daniel! > >I booted one of my systems into MS Windows 2000, started HyperTerminal, >created a simple "profile" for COM1 (ttyS0) and pressed return. > >I was "greeted" by the Catalyst 1900 Management Console initial screen. >This means that the cable must be OK (I had no doubt about that - I >built it and continuity/short tested it). ;) This also means that (at >least the serial console part of) the Catalyst 1900 is also working. > >Sometimes, it's useful to use MS Windows on a rare occasion (once a >year) for a few minutes before it crashes. :) > >I could proceed using MS Windows 2000 and HyperTerminal, but I would >prefer to use GNU/Linux and minicom or another open source terminal >program that runs on GNU/Linux. Does minicom require special >configuration to run on a serial port? Is there another open source >program more appropriate to the task? > >Sincerely, > >Ken Fuchs > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >>[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ken Fuchs >>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:03 PM >>To: TCLUG Mailing List >>Subject: [TCLUG] Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 >> >> >>I'm trying to access my Catalyst 1900 via the serial console. >> >>I built a DB9 to RJ-45 cable by cutting a DB9 cable and RJ-45 cable in >>half and soldering the appropriate ends together as defined here: >> >>http://www.hardwarebook.net/cable/serial/cuscoconsole9.html >> >>It is based on: >> >>http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/28201900/1928v8x/19icg 8x >>/19icinst.htm >> >>The cable I built is identical to the cable described in this Cisco >>manual, except it is a single piece cable (doesn't have crossover RJ-45 >>and RJ-45 crossover to DB9 adapter and separate modules). >> >>------ >> >>I can't seem to establish a serial connection between my Linux PC serial >>port and the Catalyst 1900. I'm using minicom. I've tried using >>/dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, /dev/ttyS2, and /dev/ttyS3 to no avail. I'm not >>even sure the serial ports on this machine work, since I've never tried >>to use them before. (I have an internal modem at /dev/ttyS4 that worked >>a few years ago, but is now broken.) I've set the port to 9600, 8 bits, >>no parity, 1 stop bit, and no flow control just as specified by the 1900 >>manual. >> >>I assume the 1900 should send something to the serial console when it >>powers up. It probably should also send something when it receives >>something from the serial console as well. >> >>Does anyone have any suggestions concerning establishing a serial >>connection with the Cisco Catalyst 1900's serial console? >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Ken Fuchs >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From whtdruid at druids-grove.net Wed Mar 31 13:05:30 2004 From: whtdruid at druids-grove.net (Daniel Rysztak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <200403301800.i2UI0NT16026@ecstasy1.winternet.com> Message-ID: Here's how to clear/change the password. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps574/products_password_reco very09186a00800a6c79.shtml ============================ Daniel Rysztak, CCNP http://www.druids-grove.net/ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ken Fuchs Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 Munir Nassar wrote: >minicom sucks! there i said it. so flame me! >use the infinitely more versatile cu instead. it is usually part of the >uucp package. >$ cu -s 9600 -l /dev/ttyS0 The above cu cmd line worked great in connecting to the Catalyst 1900. I did turn off flow control with "~%nostop", but it probably was already off. cu also probably uses 8 bits, no parity and one stop bit by default. >word of warning: cu uses ~ as the escape char, same as ssh. so if you ssh >into a box and use cu change the default escape char, -E` for example. >otherwise you end up wondering why your ssh session died when you sent a >break to the router :) Thanks for the warning. I used ssh to start an xterm and ran cu in the xterm, thus avoiding the escape character issue altogether. ------ I'm now in the 1900's diagnostic console hoping to clear out the password, so I can access management commands. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 31 15:23:25 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Serial console access to Cisco Catalyst 1900 In-Reply-To: <20040331151707.GA2544@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Screen-foo! Jima, you certainly come up with some nice gems every once > and a while. ;-) Nah, I got that from John Trammell here: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-September/059389.html Ever since I read that, screens 8 & 9 have been bound to ttyS0 and ttyS1 (I have a lot of serial devices). Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 31 15:25:56 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Policy on removal of posts from the archives (redux, help!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Ben Lutgens wrote: > This is my vote. Never EVER remove it or the email address. Oh, I read something else into the email address. The ones in the archive "from" address are replaced by the list address, anyway. Generally people's addresses will only appear in an email if someone quoted them in the body. Great source of spam, thanks to robots. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 31 18:19:19 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! References: <4069D8AC.9000101@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <004501c4177e$f9cf5850$0200a8c0@homer> I have been menaing to get out to one of these and see what it's all about. Ditto to the post below, generally how many people go to these? And if i stop by how will i know where the group is sitting? Do i just look for a concentration of laptops or is this just a drink beer and shoot the breeze kind of meeting? Thanks, ----- Original Message ----- From: "jason reynolds" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > I am curious as I am new to the area and have never been to any of tclug > meetings. How many people attend these? > > nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > > > Its that time again, time for another beermeeting. > > > > I am thinking that this time it will be at the Glocken Spiel in St.Paul. > > > > Last time we were there it was during October fest, there was music, > > singing, dancing and good beer. > > > > Sadly there will most likely not be any live music this time, but > > enough of the good beer and you will be singing and dancing anyways. > > > > This Friday, April 2nd, 6pm. > > > > -- > > Munir Nassar > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Mar 31 18:41:57 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! In-Reply-To: <004501c4177e$f9cf5850$0200a8c0@homer> References: <4069D8AC.9000101@mn.rr.com> <004501c4177e$f9cf5850$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: <1080780117.3529.0.camel@angband> Yes to all your questions. :) On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 18:19, Mike Partyka wrote: > I have been menaing to get out to one of these and see what it's all about. > > Ditto to the post below, generally how many people go to these? And if i > stop by how will i know where the group is sitting? Do i just look for a > concentration of laptops or is this just a drink beer and shoot the breeze > kind of meeting? > > Thanks, > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jason reynolds" > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting time! > > > > I am curious as I am new to the area and have never been to any of tclug > > meetings. How many people attend these? > > > > nassarmu@redconcepts.net wrote: > > > > > Its that time again, time for another beermeeting. > > > > > > I am thinking that this time it will be at the Glocken Spiel in St.Paul. > > > > > > Last time we were there it was during October fest, there was music, > > > singing, dancing and good beer. > > > > > > Sadly there will most likely not be any live music this time, but > > > enough of the good beer and you will be singing and dancing anyways. > > > > > > This Friday, April 2nd, 6pm. > > > > > > -- > > > Munir Nassar > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 31 19:28:34 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: BeerMeeting time! References: <4069D8AC.9000101@mn.rr.com> <004501c4177e$f9cf5850$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: Mike Partyka writes: > I have been menaing to get out to one of these and see what it's all about. > > Ditto to the post below, generally how many people go to these? And if i > stop by how will i know where the group is sitting? Do i just look for a > concentration of laptops or is this just a drink beer and shoot the breeze > kind of meeting? whenever i show up i usually ask for "a bunch of geeks" or tclug. depending on the wait staff. there is usually at least one laptop on the table, as well as various Tux dolls. Otherwise just look for the group of people that just does not fit in. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Mar 31 19:34:02 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: BeerMeeting time! In-Reply-To: References: <4069D8AC.9000101@mn.rr.com> <004501c4177e$f9cf5850$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: <20040401013402.GC14461@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 31 19:42:32 2004 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: BeerMeeting time! References: <4069D8AC.9000101@mn.rr.com> <004501c4177e$f9cf5850$0200a8c0@homer> Message-ID: <005901c4178a$99ce0d00$0200a8c0@homer> rofl, well in that case i definately have to come check it out, and see what it's all about. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:28 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Re: BeerMeeting time! > Mike Partyka writes: > > > I have been menaing to get out to one of these and see what it's all about. > > > > Ditto to the post below, generally how many people go to these? And if i > > stop by how will i know where the group is sitting? Do i just look for a > > concentration of laptops or is this just a drink beer and shoot the breeze > > kind of meeting? > > whenever i show up i usually ask for "a bunch of geeks" or tclug. depending > on the wait staff. > > there is usually at least one laptop on the table, as well as various Tux > dolls. > > Otherwise just look for the group of people that just does not fit in. > > -- > Munir Nassar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 31 16:11:37 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:50:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting! Message-ID: Its that time again, time for another beermeeting. I am thinking that this time it will be at the Glocken Spiel in St.Paul. Last time we were there it was during October fest, there was music, singing, dancing and good beer. Sadly there will most likely not be any live music this time, but enough of the good beer and you will be singing and dancing anyways. This Friday, April 2nd, 6pm. -- Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list