Wow, it was late last night when I replied, I sort of rambled, no I did ramble, must have been the beer ;-) Linux is on the verge of becoming a corporate standard in the "server" market. Many large companies have tested Linux and are satisfied that is has what it takes to be on the "server". Linux is still struggling to gain even a foot hold on the workstation in the corporate world (in the USA at least). "What the world needs now is 'Linux sweet Linux' "... The most simple distribution of Linux for the workstation, one my mother could install and run. I'm not kidding, I get calls from Arizona for help. If a Linux distribution was built (and maintained) by a diverse group (somewhere in Minnesota) that could be said to replace M$ products _without the user knowing it_. It would be worth more in business dollars then any of us can imagine. That is what a Linux distribution must do to get the average consumer and business to change. It must be a mindless installation, the average consumer watchs 28 hours of TV per week Ever have someone call a monitor a TV, I have. See the following link for more information on how we spend our TV time. http://antimatter.no-ip.org/TV%20and%20the%20%20mind%20of%20the%20public.htm Yes that diverse group would charge for the product "you get what you pay for". The American consumer needs to pay for something to feel they are able to say "I payed for it now you fix it!". Free tells the average consumer "it's really not that good so we can't sell it". Americans want to pay so they can have a vested interest. People spill hot coffee on themselves and sue because the coffee so was hot, even if they made it at home. It would need to be small with a GUI that is similar to M$, it would be able to run "any" windows application [games, word processing, spreadsheet, etc...] without doing any additional work. Upgrades and Updates would need to be very few and very far between, at least 3 years. Don't show them any error messages because they don't understand error messages. I believe the vast majority of I/T professionals can figure out what an error message says. How can we expect a consumer to understand an error message. My wife is the greatest of business of the many business people I know. I wont let here touch an error message for fear I wont be able to reproduce it. The only message that should be displayed is "Your Computer Needs to be Restarted, it Will Run Better After Restarting" and a button that is labeled "Restart" <nutshell> I'd call the distribution a "car" like name because the consumer would only put electricity in to it to maintain it. That is the whole thing in a nut shell. </nutshell> Yes, it needs to be idiot proof, have a good price, and never break. <rant> OH, games like "Deus Ex 2" the new one, (a friend bought it and it wont work) the game writers need to get out of bed with the video card and hard disk manufactures and M$. I personally wouldn't buy that game to save my life. They printed the box and had to add the specs as a sticker, you know your in trouble when they do that. The sticker says Direct X 9 required, but they only include Direct X 8 on the CD, WTF. I haven't found a CAB file viewer to look in to the CAB files 600+ MB files, to find files missed by the installer. What else, The error messages "Flesh can't execute" is this porn! Then the stupid console wont let the mouse function in it. I finally found the error talking about missing files in the console and couldn't use the mouse "Flesh can't execute" ??? I copied the error and put it in a txt file on the desktop so he could find it and print it. At least the beer was cold. </rant> Putting on the fire proof suit, standing in Lake Minnetonka (brrrrrr), holding a fire extinguisher. Sam. <snip> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list