From levay at visi.com Thu Jan 1 08:44:07 2004 From: levay at visi.com (Craig LeVay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Apple ][ GS In-Reply-To: <3FF2F546.7030501@stonel.com> References: <3FF259F0.6050100@visi.com> <3FF2F546.7030501@stonel.com> Message-ID: Still got the Commodore 128 running on the other desk. Great for quickie text editing and boots in 4 seconds ready to load and run in 80 column. Also, has a 1977 rom chip o.s. copyrighted by an unknown company called Microsoft Corporation of New Mexico. Still do not have had anyone answer my query about detachable CD burners that Redhat 8 will be useable with. Craig LeVay Oakdale On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Bob Gilbertson wrote: > I did something similar a couple weeks ago. Cleaning out the basement, came > across my first computer, a Tandy Color Computer. Still in original box with > manuals and everything. Don't think I'd looked at it for 15 years. > Purchased it about 1981. This was a couple years before IBM got into the > PC business. Hooked it up and it fired right up. Loaded up some programs from > cassette tape (also in box :). Had forgotten how nice it was to have > < 5 seconds boot up time. uP is Motorola 6809 running at .89 Mhz. OS is Basic > by a (at that time) unknown company called Microsoft. RAM is the full 65K > addressable by the 16 bit bus. > Was kind of fun :) > > A pix of one is here: http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/coco1/ > > Bob > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > I recently acquired an Apple ][ GS, not just the CPU unit but the whole > > package. > > > > 12 inch RGB display > > 3.5 and 5.25 inch floppy drives > > Keyboard and Mouse > > Every book and warranty card > > Original System diskettes > > The Apple stickers in the original unopened plastic bag. > > It has a memory card in it, I think it's a 1 megabyte card. > > Even the Imagewriter test page is in the documentation. > > I have the printer that was purchased with it as well. > > > > This is a one of a kind find made special by what's on the front of the > > CPU unit. > > "Woz Limited Edition" > > It all works like it was new, I'll have to test the printer but I'm sure > > it works. > > > > For me it gained special interest when I saw the name of someone I use > > to work with. He worked for Computer Land back in the day. He was the > > tech that ran the setup-test on the unit. I can trace the original > > owner, the place it was sold, and the tech that did the setup-test. > > > > I think I was meant to be in the computer junk business. I just find > > this kind of history so amazing because of the whole package. I'm > > going to setup the whole thing, with the books, and take a picture. > > > > Way off topic I know but I thought it would be fun. > > > > Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jan 1 10:19:56 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Apple ][ GS In-Reply-To: References: <3FF259F0.6050100@visi.com> <3FF2F546.7030501@stonel.com> Message-ID: <3FF448AC.9050206@visi.com> I haven't done any CD burning with Linux, just got one for windows... USB may be the answer, have you checked the Red Hat hardware list? http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/ I found these googling... http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/cdrecord-support/2002-August/000444.html On this page is a list of CDR drives (manufacturers really) browse the list to see if you find an external. http://www.cdrfaq.org/ Craig LeVay wrote: >Still got the Commodore 128 running on the other desk. Great for quickie >text editing and boots in 4 seconds ready to load and run in 80 column. >Also, has a 1977 rom chip o.s. copyrighted by an unknown company called >Microsoft Corporation of New Mexico. > >Still do not have had anyone answer my query about detachable CD burners >that Redhat 8 will be useable with. > >Craig LeVay >Oakdale > > >On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Bob Gilbertson wrote: > > > >>I did something similar a couple weeks ago. Cleaning out the basement, came >>across my first computer, a Tandy Color Computer. Still in original box with >>manuals and everything. Don't think I'd looked at it for 15 years. >>Purchased it about 1981. This was a couple years before IBM got into the >>PC business. Hooked it up and it fired right up. Loaded up some programs from >>cassette tape (also in box :). Had forgotten how nice it was to have >>< 5 seconds boot up time. uP is Motorola 6809 running at .89 Mhz. OS is Basic >>by a (at that time) unknown company called Microsoft. RAM is the full 65K >>addressable by the 16 bit bus. >>Was kind of fun :) >> >>A pix of one is here: http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/coco1/ >> >>Bob >> >>Samuel MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>>I recently acquired an Apple ][ GS, not just the CPU unit but the whole >>>package. >>> >>>12 inch RGB display >>>3.5 and 5.25 inch floppy drives >>>Keyboard and Mouse >>>Every book and warranty card >>>Original System diskettes >>>The Apple stickers in the original unopened plastic bag. >>>It has a memory card in it, I think it's a 1 megabyte card. >>>Even the Imagewriter test page is in the documentation. >>>I have the printer that was purchased with it as well. >>> >>>This is a one of a kind find made special by what's on the front of the >>>CPU unit. >>>"Woz Limited Edition" >>>It all works like it was new, I'll have to test the printer but I'm sure >>>it works. >>> >>>For me it gained special interest when I saw the name of someone I use >>>to work with. He worked for Computer Land back in the day. He was the >>>tech that ran the setup-test on the unit. I can trace the original >>>owner, the place it was sold, and the tech that did the setup-test. >>> >>>I think I was meant to be in the computer junk business. I just find >>>this kind of history so amazing because of the whole package. I'm >>>going to setup the whole thing, with the books, and take a picture. >>> >>>Way off topic I know but I thought it would be fun. >>> >>>Sam. >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jan 1 11:31:51 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Apple ][ GS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, Craig LeVay wrote: > Still do not have had anyone answer my query about detachable CD burners > that Redhat 8 will be useable with. did you load the usb-storage module? all usb burners that i have used needed that module in order to be used as burners. After loading the module do a cdrecord -scanbus (as root) to see if it was detected. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ PS. Please trim your posts. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Thu Jan 1 13:54:47 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200312300028.hBU0SYA14265@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200312300028.hBU0SYA14265@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1346.192.168.70.42.1072986887.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> I have an old, very generic ATX case, no power supply. You can have the case. E-mail me off the list if you want it. jimstreit@northlans.com > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: Want to Buy > > Subject: ATX Case > > I have a new motherboard/cpu/ram combination. I had planned to put these > into an old (1999) Dell ATX case that I have, but it turns out that Dell > uses a non-standard power supply and non-standard front panel (power > button, etc.) connectors. > > Does anyone have an old ATX computer case lying around that they'd like > to get rid of? If it's new enough to still be worth something I could > offer up to $20. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Jan 1 14:56:27 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] code formatting In-Reply-To: <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> (bradyh@bitstream.net) References: <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <200401012056.i01KuR230998@ecstasy.winternet.com> Brady wrote: >We're having a code formatting war in the office today and so far I'm on the >losing side but I thought I'd get your vote: >A) if (x == 1) {... >B) if( x == 1 ){... Of A & B above, I have a strong preference for A. >C) other if (x == 1) { ... } However, I have an almost equally strong preference of C (with four space indents) over A above. >PS: Wasn't sure if this should be marked [OT] or not so you can vote >on that too. In my opinion, off topic for [TCLUG]. Ok if also marked [OT]. In my opinion, on topic for [TCLUG-DEVEL] (tclug-devel@mn-linux.org). Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Jan 1 16:38:15 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] code formatting References: <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> <200401012056.i01KuR230998@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <004501c3d0b7$f2309a90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Ken Fuchs writes: > if (x == 1) { > ... > } > Personally, I prefer this: if x == 1: print x -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Jan 1 16:46:06 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install loop - installing base system Message-ID: Hello all, I am installing debian right now. I have gotten to the point where I am provided an option to "Install the Base System". I select cd-rom as my installation media, I am prompted for disk 1 of the debian install disks. Then I am told that the system is looking for basedebs.tar and another file. I am then prompted to select the directory that I want to install the Base from and I see "/instmnt". I press enter and suddenly I am back at the beginning of the installation process. The process starts over at "Install the Base System". I am stuck in a loop. Any ideas? Tom Wurdock WORD design http://www.wordesign.net twurdock@wordesign.net 612.728.7854 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jan 1 17:17:28 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install loop - installing base system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FF4AA88.2040501@visi.com> Sounds like it isn't finding the right directory or the directory does not have the data in it. I've only installed debian base from diskette :) but if I put in the wrong diskette it would tell me to put the right diskette, not start over. Sam. PHPTOm wrote: >Hello all, > >I am installing debian right now. > >I have gotten to the point where I am provided an option to "Install the >Base System". I select cd-rom as my installation media, I am prompted for >disk 1 of the debian install disks. Then I am told that the system is >looking for basedebs.tar and another file. I am then prompted to select the >directory that I want to install the Base from and I see "/instmnt". I >press enter and suddenly I am back at the beginning of the installation >process. The process starts over at "Install the Base System". I am stuck >in a loop. Any ideas? > >Tom Wurdock >WORD design >http://www.wordesign.net >twurdock@wordesign.net >612.728.7854 > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jan 1 23:48:24 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old Laptops looking for a good home? In-Reply-To: <3FF3338D.6020607@bigfoot.com> References: <3FF3338D.6020607@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <3FF50628.8090309@visi.com> Bob, Be careful what you take with you, some computers can _*NOT*_ be taken out of the country. I just don't want anyone to get in trouble by exporting something that is restricted for export. Check to be sure the hardware can be taken out of the country. Laptops have more restrictions then desktop computers. ThinkPad's are of special concern, some of the chips may have encryption in the microcode that can not and should not leave the country. If the machines have MS Windows installed the software can't leave the country depending on the encryption software installed. They (customs) get really paranoid when they find something that should not be exported. Sam. Bob & Ruth Schilmoeller wrote: > All, > I have been reading this list for a while and this last discussion > about the nostalgic computers prompted me to send this inquiry. My > church works with a church in Haiti and we have sent several old > computers for a lab. I have been to Haiti twice on missions, once to > install pumps for water and the last time to set up the computer lab > and Direcway satellite internet so we can communicate with them. I am > going again the end of February and would like to take some old > laptops with me. I would be very appreciative if anyone can point me > to access to old (preferable pentium or >, not 3/486) laptops that I > could acquire for free or very cheaply. (<$100) > > Thanks in advance for any pointers! > - Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Jan 2 08:26:56 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dependency hell In-Reply-To: <20031231211325.GB735@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <000601c3d13c$79be6670$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > Do you manually run dpkg to install KDE on Debian? No, you use a package > manager. > RedHat also comes with an excellent package manager (GUI), or you can use > up2date (CLI). Matthew *S* Hallacy strikes again! Thanks for implying that I'm an idiot, dude. Up2date only updates packages already on a system, and the package manager apparently can't sort out dependencies, as that's what I'm using to try to install KDE. It'll tell me what I'm missing, but won't make any attempt to find that file/package, or the dependencies it has. I thought there was a way to do this, which is why I'm asking the list. I appreciate the replies from other folks, so it's time to dig into the other package managers... Thanks, Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Jan 2 08:30:37 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dependency hell In-Reply-To: <006301c3d016$3cf4a5f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <000701c3d13d$00834900$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > Why use ODBC? The native interface should provide better > performance and more functionality: > > http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.mssql.php Good point. I started down this path, but it requires moving from php 4.2.2 which redhat supports to php 4.3.3+, and I'm scared of compiling. I started down that path a couple days ago, and the ODBC driver route seemed a bit easier. It'd be good to get a proper package manager anyway, so I think I'll continue along this route. At some point I may have to go to a newer PHP, but I'd like to avoid it until I really have to. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Fri Jan 2 09:13:18 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dependency hell Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B563@ipserver2.interplastic.com> -----Original Message----- From: Matt Murphy [mailto:mmurphy@tc-tech.com] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:27 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Dependency hell Up2date only updates packages already on a system, and the package manager apparently can't sort out dependencies, as that's what I'm using to try to install KDE. You can use up2date to install packages not presently installed. Just type up2date packagename, there might be an install flag, can't remember of the top of my head. Just type up2date and you'll get a list of all the things it will do. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jan 2 09:29:09 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smallest distro running X? Message-ID: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> I'm looking for a nice small linux distro to install on my USB keychain. I found LMS (http://linuxmobile.sourceforge.net/) but it's in its infancy. At one time I found a neat X based distro running Blackbox that fit on ten floppies, but I can't seem to find that again. Any suggestions? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pcdoc at snapreporter.com Fri Jan 2 10:12:32 2004 From: pcdoc at snapreporter.com (Joe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old Laptops looking for a good home? In-Reply-To: <3FF50628.8090309@visi.com> Message-ID: I took an IBM Thinkpad 380ED with Windows 98 to Peru without any problems, of course I was coming back with it too. The interesting thing was that Customs looked through all my stuff and barely even noticed that there was a laptop computer sitting right there. Customs in Peru looked even less at it (maybe they thought it was a book or folder or something). Just so this isn't too off-topic, I did attempt to install Linux on that laptop once and wasn't too successful, but that was like the second time I even touched Linux and it was a very early release of RH. On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 23:48:24 -0600 > From: Samuel MacDonald > Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Old Laptops looking for a good home? > > Bob, > Be careful what you take with you, some computers can _*NOT*_ be taken > out of the country. > I just don't want anyone to get in trouble by exporting something that > is restricted for export. > Check to be sure the hardware can be taken out of the country. Laptops > have more restrictions then desktop computers. > > ThinkPad's are of special concern, some of the chips may have encryption > in the microcode that can not and should not leave the country. If the > machines have MS Windows installed the software can't leave the country > depending on the encryption software installed. They (customs) get > really paranoid when they find something that should not be exported. > > Sam. > > > Bob & Ruth Schilmoeller wrote: > > > All, > > I have been reading this list for a while and this last discussion > > about the nostalgic computers prompted me to send this inquiry. My > > church works with a church in Haiti and we have sent several old > > computers for a lab. I have been to Haiti twice on missions, once to > > install pumps for water and the last time to set up the computer lab > > and Direcway satellite internet so we can communicate with them. I am > > going again the end of February and would like to take some old > > laptops with me. I would be very appreciative if anyone can point me > > to access to old (preferable pentium or >, not 3/486) laptops that I > > could acquire for free or very cheaply. (<$100) > > > > Thanks in advance for any pointers! > > - Bob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Fri Jan 2 10:07:41 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install loop - installing base system Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Jan 2 10:48:32 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smallest distro running X? In-Reply-To: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <3FF5A0E0.1090706@cdf123.com> Brian wrote: >I'm looking for a nice small linux distro to install on my USB keychain. >I found LMS (http://linuxmobile.sourceforge.net/) but it's in its infancy. > At one time I found a neat X based distro running Blackbox that fit on >ten floppies, but I can't seem to find that again. Any suggestions? > > Personally I like Damn Small Linux (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html), or Insert Linux (http://www.inside-security.de/insert_en.html). Both run fluxbox, fit on a 50M CD, and include a nice set of apps, and can download Mozilla Firebird if you got enough bandwidth/space. It wouldn't be hard to go into either of these and remove some apps that you don't need if your keychain doesn't have the space. Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jan 2 11:53:44 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old Laptops looking for a good home? In-Reply-To: <3FF3338D.6020607@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Bob & Ruth Schilmoeller wrote: > All, > I have been reading this list for a while and this last discussion about the > nostalgic computers prompted me to send this inquiry. My church works with a > church in Haiti and we have sent several old computers for a lab. I have been > to Haiti twice on missions, once to install pumps for water and the last time to > set up the computer lab and Direcway satellite internet so we can communicate > with them. I am going again the end of February and would like to take some old > laptops with me. I would be very appreciative if anyone can point me to access > to old (preferable pentium or >, not 3/486) laptops that I could acquire for > free or very cheaply. (<$100) Midwest Electronics had a pile of old laptops in a corner in various states of disrepair. $10 each. i am sure that you can put together 1 out of every 4 not sure if they are pentootiums though :) -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http:/redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Fri Jan 2 14:17:02 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smallest distro running X? In-Reply-To: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20040102201701.GA24666@karl> I'm curious how you will boot into it. I've heard of new computer BIOS's starting to support boot from USB. And I though I recalled someone claiming they could boot into linux this way. Will you just chroot? Or do you plan on making a boot disk you can chroot over to it? What purpose will it serve? I recently got a Gateway Internet Appliance thing to run off of a USB harddrive. I'm booting from a 32MB CF, mounting the USB drive and chroot over to it. Seems to work fine, considering its not the faster USB2.0. On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 09:29:09AM -0600, Brian wrote: > I'm looking for a nice small linux distro to install on my USB keychain. > I found LMS (http://linuxmobile.sourceforge.net/) but it's in its infancy. > At one time I found a neat X based distro running Blackbox that fit on > ten floppies, but I can't seem to find that again. Any suggestions? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jan 2 12:48:31 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smallest distro running X? In-Reply-To: <20040102201701.GA24666@karl> References: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <20040102201701.GA24666@karl> Message-ID: <4283.156.99.116.45.1073069311.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > I'm curious how you will boot into it. I've heard of new computer > BIOS's starting to support boot from USB. LMS seems to have solved this problem with a boot floppy. Newer systems boot off USB no problem. Since the keychain is FAT16, syslinux works great on them. > Will you just chroot? Or do you plan on making a boot disk you > can chroot over to it? That is an option. > What purpose will it serve? Right now geekness factor. I'm more curious to see if it CAN be done. > I recently got a Gateway Internet Appliance thing to run off of > a USB harddrive. I'm booting from a 32MB CF, mounting the USB > drive and chroot over to it. Seems to work fine, considering its > not the faster USB2.0. This is one way of doing it. You could also install grub on the CF as well as a USB ready kernel and just use /dev/sda1 as your root. Chroot is an option, but natively would be cooler :-) I'm currently interested in DSL, as it should be quite simple to modify. It just uses a floppy image, which is easy to emulate on these. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Fri Jan 2 13:12:19 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old Laptops looking for a good home? Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B568@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > > On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Bob & Ruth Schilmoeller wrote: > > > laptops with me. I would be very appreciative if anyone > can point me to access > > to old (preferable pentium or >, not 3/486) laptops that > I could acquire for > > free or very cheaply. (<$100) > > Here is a link to some local auctions. http://www.smithmicrotech.com/auction/shop.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilcoxon at mnmailhost.bridge.com Fri Jan 2 13:21:33 2004 From: wilcoxon at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: code formatting In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:34:09 CST." <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> References: <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <200401021921.i02JLY0o013063@mnmail1.stp.ime.reuters.com> On Wed 2003/12/31 15:34:09 CST, bradyh@bitstream.net wri tes: > We're having a code formatting war in the office today and so far I'm on the > losing side but I thought I'd get your vote: > > Is it: > > A) if (x == 1) {... > > or > > B) if( x == 1 ){... > > C) other Definitely A although some people at work would say C [if ( x == 1 )\n{]. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Fri Jan 2 07:51:10 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smallest distro running X? In-Reply-To: <4283.156.99.116.45.1073069311.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <20040102201701.GA24666@karl> <4283.156.99.116.45.1073069311.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20040102135110.GA419@karl> > This is one way of doing it. You could also install grub on the CF as > well as a USB ready kernel and just use /dev/sda1 as your root. Chroot is > an option, but natively would be cooler :-) > > I'm currently interested in DSL, as it should be quite simple to modify. > It just uses a floppy image, which is easy to emulate on these. What is DSL? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Jan 2 14:19:28 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smallest distro running X? In-Reply-To: <20040102135110.GA419@karl> References: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <20040102201701.GA24666@karl> <4283.156.99.116.45.1073069311.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <20040102135110.GA419@karl> Message-ID: On Jan 2, 2004, at 7:51 AM, Karl Bongers wrote: >> This is one way of doing it. You could also install grub on the CF as >> well as a USB ready kernel and just use /dev/sda1 as your root. >> Chroot is >> an option, but natively would be cooler :-) >> >> I'm currently interested in DSL, as it should be quite simple to >> modify. >> It just uses a floppy image, which is easy to emulate on these. > > What is DSL? > damn small linux[1], not to be confused with digital subscriber line ... ;-) references ---------- [1] referenced elsewhere in this thread for which i don't have a reference offhand. as circular as that sounds ... > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Jan 2 14:37:03 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smallest distro running X? In-Reply-To: <20040102135110.GA419@karl> References: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <20040102201701.GA24666@karl> <4283.156.99.116.45.1073069311.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <20040102135110.GA419@karl> Message-ID: <3FF5D66F.9040101@visi.com> Dam Small Linux Karl Bongers wrote: >>This is one way of doing it. You could also install grub on the CF as >>well as a USB ready kernel and just use /dev/sda1 as your root. Chroot is >>an option, but natively would be cooler :-) >> >>I'm currently interested in DSL, as it should be quite simple to modify. >>It just uses a floppy image, which is easy to emulate on these. >> >> > >What is DSL? > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Fri Jan 2 16:32:10 2004 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smallest distro running X? In-Reply-To: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 09:29:09AM -0600 References: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20040102163210.A13395@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 09:29:09AM -0600, Brian wrote: > I'm looking for a nice small linux distro to install on my USB keychain. > I found LMS (http://linuxmobile.sourceforge.net/) but it's in its infancy. > At one time I found a neat X based distro running Blackbox that fit on > ten floppies, but I can't seem to find that again. Any suggestions? Today's NewsForge has a story about something called Flonix that's designed to run on a USB storage device: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/01/02/1426226 http://linuxdocs.tuxfamily.org/flonix/wakka.php?wiki=EnPresentation -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Jan 2 16:57:45 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting tomorrow? Message-ID: <3FF5F769.50305@eworld3.net> Will there be a meeting at the U tomorrow? -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Jan 2 17:23:19 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dependency hell In-Reply-To: <000601c3d13c$79be6670$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <20031231211325.GB735@techmonkeys.org> <000601c3d13c$79be6670$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <20040102232319.GD735@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 08:26:56AM -0600, Matt Murphy wrote: > > Matthew *S* Hallacy strikes again! Thanks for implying that I'm > an idiot, dude. Up2date only updates packages already on a system That's Matthew RTFM Hallacy to you, up2date -h Read it. usage: up2date [OPTIONS] [] ... -l, --list list packages available for retrieval --dry-run Do everything but download and install packages (show deps needed, etc) --solvedeps= finds, downloads, and installs the packages needed to solve the list of deps Now, who's the dumbass? -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Jan 2 18:23:22 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <3FF5F769.50305@eworld3.net> References: <3FF5F769.50305@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20040103002322.GA12118@fandre.com> Doh! I've lost track of time due to the holidays. No, there won't be a meeting tomorrow. We might have one next week. Or not. I'll send something out if we do. -- Clay On Fri, 02 Jan 2004, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > Will there be a meeting at the U tomorrow? > -- > Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Jan 2 18:33:27 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT?]C++ regex question Message-ID: <1073090007.22099.60.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but are there any c++ gurus here? I need a hand on a project I'm working on. I'm trying to do some regex functions. Everything works fine until I try to reference the rm_eo element of a match. If I comment out that line, it works fine, but if the line is left in, it segfaults on the regcomp (about 15 lines before the rm_eo line). Here's the code in question: http://cdf123.net/wmacpi_temp/wmacpi_temp-1.3-beta/ wmacpi_temp.cc line 389 segfaults when line 405 is uncommented. test it with "./wmacpi_temp -rc config" Is there something wrong with my code? or my libc? I'm running Mandrake 9.2 as my development machines if that helps. Thanks, and sorry if this is too OT -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Jan 2 20:50:01 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mirra Message-ID: <20040103025001.GB17317@fandre.com> Anyone know anything more about this? http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/01/02/personal.server.ap/index.html How about we create a Linux distro that duplicates the functionality of the Mirra? Shouldn't be too difficult. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jan 2 21:01:38 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "You have new mail" notification Message-ID: <33030.69.46.204.18.1073098898.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> I just set up exim on a Mandrake box. I have mail in /var/mail/lxy, but when I log into a shell it doesn't give me the ever friendly "You have new mail" notification. How can I turn this on? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Jan 2 21:26:25 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "You have new mail" notification In-Reply-To: <33030.69.46.204.18.1073098898.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <33030.69.46.204.18.1073098898.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20040102212449.W85485@unix18.sihope.com> In bash I think you need to set MAIL and MAILCHECK, like: MAIL=/var/mail/lxy MAILCHECK=60 (interval, in seconds, to stat the MAIL file) You can actually point MAIL to anything you want, and be notified when it changes. I think the prompt is even configurable in bash. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Brian wrote: > I just set up exim on a Mandrake box. I have mail in /var/mail/lxy, but > when I log into a shell it doesn't give me the ever friendly "You have new > mail" notification. How can I turn this on? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Fri Jan 2 22:28:06 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mirra In-Reply-To: <20040103025001.GB17317@fandre.com> References: <20040103025001.GB17317@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3FF644D6.3060204@comcast.net> Except WITH RAID1 capabilities. The Mirra does not use RAID...as of yet. It only uses a single hard drive, so if that dies, you're still screwed. Clay Fandre wrote: > Anyone know anything more about this? > http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/01/02/personal.server.ap/index.html > > How about we create a Linux distro that duplicates the functionality of > the Mirra? Shouldn't be too difficult. > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Jan 2 23:58:22 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mirra In-Reply-To: <3FF644D6.3060204@comcast.net> References: <20040103025001.GB17317@fandre.com> <3FF644D6.3060204@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040103055822.GA1579@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Sk3tch at sk3tch.net Sat Jan 3 02:10:44 2004 From: Sk3tch at sk3tch.net (Sk3tch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mirra Message-ID: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/02/141213&mode=thread&tid=137&tid=198 Read the comments...one of them mentions: BackupPC - http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ sk3tch -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sk3tch wrote: >http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/02/141213&mode=thread&tid=137&tid=198 > >Read the comments...one of them mentions: > >BackupPC - http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ > >sk3tch > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sat Jan 3 13:19:41 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mirra In-Reply-To: <20040103025001.GB17317@fandre.com> References: <20040103025001.GB17317@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3FF715CD.3060001@eworld3.net> These guys are a local competitor: http://www.rebyte.com Here is what their FAQ page says about Mirra: The Mirra backup system is competitively priced. You can figure a comparable reByte system is going to cost you about 20% ($100) less depending on what you want and need. There are some specific drawbacks to the Mirra system, however. * Mirra only works with Windows 2000 and XP networks (no Mac, Linux or Novell support) * Data is stored in a proprietary format. If you want to access your data remotely, you must install their software * Redundancy. Mirra does not provide RAID support. All hard drives fail eventually. * Storage space. Mirra?s largest solution only stores 120 gigs compared to nearly 1 terabyte (1000 gigabytes) with reByte * No offsite synchronization support (like reSync) * Mirra isn't upgradeable * There is no support for gigabit or wireless networks The bottom line is Mirra is a low-performance, non-redundant, non-expandable and proprietary solution. Although it?s inexpensive, you can build a reByte solution that provides significantly more value for the same price. Clay Fandre wrote: > Anyone know anything more about this? > http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/01/02/personal.server.ap/index.html > > How about we create a Linux distro that duplicates the functionality of > the Mirra? Shouldn't be too difficult. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Sat Jan 3 14:31:06 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Spam laws (OT) Message-ID: <3FF7268A.7F987954@ppdonline.com> Hello, Has anyone looked into the new spam law that was supposed to take effect on the 1st? How does enforcement work? How do we report violators and what information do we need to give? Thanks, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Jan 3 15:33:04 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Spam laws (OT) In-Reply-To: <3FF7268A.7F987954@ppdonline.com> References: <3FF7268A.7F987954@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20040103213304.GA29610@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 02:31:06PM -0600, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Hello, > Has anyone looked into the new spam law that was supposed to take effect > on the 1st? How does enforcement work? How do we report violators and > what information do we need to give? > Thanks, > Ben. > I think you're supposed to shut up and eat your spam. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From patrickm at citilink.com Sat Jan 3 16:51:35 2004 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT?]C++ regex question In-Reply-To: <1073090007.22099.60.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1073090007.22099.60.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <3FF74777.2090102@citilink.com> I haven't used the regex library, but it looks to me like you should be creating regex_t and regmatch_t structures and passing their addresses to the appropriate functions rather than creating uninitialized pointers preg and pmatch and passing their (random) values. Patrick McCabe Chris Frederick wrote: > Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but are there any c++ gurus > here? I need a hand on a project I'm working on. > > I'm trying to do some regex functions. Everything works fine until I > try to reference the rm_eo element of a match. If I comment out that > line, it works fine, but if the line is left in, it segfaults on the > regcomp (about 15 lines before the rm_eo line). > > Here's the code in question: > http://cdf123.net/wmacpi_temp/wmacpi_temp-1.3-beta/ > wmacpi_temp.cc line 389 segfaults when line 405 is uncommented. > test it with "./wmacpi_temp -rc config" > > Is there something wrong with my code? or my libc? I'm running Mandrake > 9.2 as my development machines if that helps. > > Thanks, and sorry if this is too OT _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From patrickm at citilink.com Sat Jan 3 16:57:43 2004 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] code formatting In-Reply-To: <004501c3d0b7$f2309a90$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> <200401012056.i01KuR230998@ecstasy.winternet.com> <004501c3d0b7$f2309a90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3FF748E7.3010405@citilink.com> print $x if $x == 1; In C, I prefer if (x == 1) { ... } I like the curlies to line up. I may be the only one in the world that feels this way. Patrick McCabe David Phillips wrote: > Ken Fuchs writes: > >>if (x == 1) { >> ... >>} >> > > > Personally, I prefer this: > > if x == 1: > print x > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sat Jan 3 19:16:37 2004 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Local DVD+RW source In-Reply-To: <3FF21A7C.5040309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000201c3d260$66a10d70$0439a8c0@Kurama> Sam's has 50 packs of DVD-R and DVD+R for $60 > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of Todd Young > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:38 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Local DVD+RW source > > I think it's Office Depot that also has a 100-pack of CDRs for $19.99 > with a $20 mail in rebate (limit one per name/household). Must be > purchased between 12/28 and 01/03. > > Sk3tch wrote: > -- > Todd Young > 7079 Dawn Ave. E. > Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sat Jan 3 19:56:14 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Apple ][ GS In-Reply-To: <3FF311BF.9040004@stonel.com> References: <3FF259F0.6050100@visi.com> <3FF2F546.7030501@stonel.com> <3FF2FD0C.9090102@visi.com> <3FF311BF.9040004@stonel.com> Message-ID: <1073181372.4886.8.camel@bigtime> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sun Jan 4 00:22:35 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] code formatting In-Reply-To: <3FF748E7.3010405@citilink.com> References: <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> <200401012056.i01KuR230998@ecstasy.winternet.com> <004501c3d0b7$f2309a90$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3FF748E7.3010405@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20040104062235.GC1579@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Sun Jan 4 00:32:46 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dialup mysteriously stopped working References: <200312281836.AA1393033412@mail.eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3FF7B38E.6000708@cleosci.com> Just got back into town after the New Year's Holiday so I appologize if this is too old; however, this is a similar problem I had, and I never got it resolved! My dial up would a) start, b) remain connected for what seemed a random period of time, and c) mysteriously lose the ability to see the Internet despite still being connected. It was very frustrating. The default gateway was correctly added to the routing table though I noticed when it was working, the gateway would appear as its proper DNS FQDN while it would revert just to the IP value at the point it had quit working. I was never able to trace the source of the trouble though. All I ended up doing was hanging up and dialing again. I had better, more durable/stable connections at night, but if anyone can figure out the issue here, I'd be curious. I don't use dialup anymore, but you never know... Garrett rick wrote: >It looks like kppp establishes a ppp connection to my ISP but I am not >able to actually use the connection. I am able to ping my Windoze box >and my IPCop box but when I try to ping my ISP's DNS using it's IP address I get: "From 192.168.1.3 icmp_seq=1 Destination Net Unreachable". That's strange, 192.168.1.3 is the IP of my IPCop box but I am pinging from my Linux box whose IP is 192.168.1.1 > >ifconfig shows that ppp0 gets created after the ppp connection is made >to my ISP and ps shows that pppd is running. > >I know that it's not a problem with my >ISP because I can use my Windoze box to connect, that's how I can post >this message. > >Since I have not been able to get IPCop working I am still running >shorewall on my Linux box. I have tried shutting it down but that does >not help. > >Any ideas? > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Sun Jan 4 12:02:10 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT?]C++ regex question In-Reply-To: <3FF74777.2090102@citilink.com> References: <1073090007.22099.60.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <3FF74777.2090102@citilink.com> Message-ID: <1073239330.16850.14.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> That was it. Thanks Chris Frederick On Sat, 2004-01-03 at 16:51, Patrick McCabe wrote: > I haven't used the regex library, but it looks to me like you should be > creating regex_t and regmatch_t structures and passing their addresses > to the appropriate functions rather than creating uninitialized pointers > preg and pmatch and passing their (random) values. > > Patrick McCabe > > Chris Frederick wrote: > > Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but are there any c++ gurus > > here? I need a hand on a project I'm working on. > > > > I'm trying to do some regex functions. Everything works fine until I > > try to reference the rm_eo element of a match. If I comment out that > > line, it works fine, but if the line is left in, it segfaults on the > > regcomp (about 15 lines before the rm_eo line). > > > > Here's the code in question: > > http://cdf123.net/wmacpi_temp/wmacpi_temp-1.3-beta/ > > wmacpi_temp.cc line 389 segfaults when line 405 is uncommented. > > test it with "./wmacpi_temp -rc config" > > > > Is there something wrong with my code? or my libc? I'm running Mandrake > > 9.2 as my development machines if that helps. > > > > Thanks, and sorry if this is too OT > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Sun Jan 4 13:07:23 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Spam laws (OT) In-Reply-To: <3FF7268A.7F987954@ppdonline.com> References: <3FF7268A.7F987954@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <3FF8646B.4040202@cruiskeen.com> Ben Bargabus wrote: > Hello, > Has anyone looked into the new spam law that was supposed to take effect > on the 1st? How does enforcement work? How do we report violators and > what information do we need to give? > Thanks, > Ben. > As the law stands it puts the FTC in charge of developing plans for dealing with enforcement issues. It's not real clear that the FTC thinks the law is enforceable. In other words, there really isnt' any place to report it, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any enforcement. Personally I think the only effect it's going to have is to make it really clear what Spammers can do to make their spam legal. I've noticed that for the last few days the Spam coming in to the University where I'm postmaster has been much more likely to have an unsubscribe widget in it. I think that's the only big effect you're gonna see. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markdeb.browne at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 10:07:59 2004 From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] code formatting References: <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> <200401012056.i01KuR230998@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <002501c3d2dc$ec92fd40$1e02a8c0@zippy> Perhaps you may be interested in some sort of "pretty printer" or "source code beautifier?" The ones I have worked with allowed you to reformat the source code to position the curly braces in any style you like. I did a quick google and found bunches of pretty printers for lots of platforms and applications. Some items that caught my eye ... Can't say if this work or not, looks cool: http://www.beautifier.org/ Java tool: http://jalopy.sourceforge.net/ Source Code Formatter / Pretty Printer in word. http://www.comsci.co.uk/freedownloads.html Not so fast with the flames - this should work in open office! Any other recommendations from list members? FWIW - I like the curly braces to line up. This makes it easier to sort out what goes with what in tricky chunks of code. I like deep indents (8 spaces) on simple code. I think the airy appearance looks nicer. On deeply indented code I drop to 4 spaces to keep the code from marching off the right hand margin. In large projects I avoid the abbreviated IF format and stick with curly braces. This reduces subtle logic bugs when you get into late night "cut and paste" sessions. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Fuchs" To: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] code formatting > Brady wrote: > > >We're having a code formatting war in the office today and so far I'm on the > >losing side but I thought I'd get your vote: > > >A) if (x == 1) {... > > >B) if( x == 1 ){... > > Of A & B above, I have a strong preference for A. > > >C) other > > if (x == 1) { > ... > } > > However, I have an almost equally strong preference of C (with four > space indents) over A above. > > >PS: Wasn't sure if this should be marked [OT] or not so you can vote > >on that too. > > In my opinion, off topic for [TCLUG]. Ok if also marked [OT]. > > In my opinion, on topic for [TCLUG-DEVEL] (tclug-devel@mn-linux.org). > > Sincerely, > > Ken Fuchs > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Mon Jan 5 02:04:53 2004 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap 1u servers? In-Reply-To: <002501c3d2dc$ec92fd40$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> <200401012056.i01KuR230998@ecstasy.winternet.com> <002501c3d2dc$ec92fd40$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: I'm looking for a cheap 1u rackmount server. My current server is aging, and I'm worried about it dying. The motherboard is a weird one that has the power connector on the bottom of it, so to get it in the case that it's in, the board is bent. Yep, you heard that right, it's bent. A good amount too, I actually thought it might break while I was screwing it in, but since I got it for free, I really didn't care too much. It's been up and running for about 2.5 years like this, and it needs some replacement action. Plus, it's running FreeBSD 4.5, and that needs to be upgraded too. But since I run some things on it that shouldn't be down for any amount of time, the easiest way to do this would be to just get a new machine and migrate everything. I don't need anything super speedy, something at least 1.2ghz, IDE is fine. Looking to spend under $300. I've seen some super sketchy servers for around that price. And used 1u dell's are going cheap on Ebay. If anyone has an old 1u dell laying around with a celeron in it, I'd be interested in buying it. They were selling these about a year and a half ago for $799, so it should be possible to pick one up really cheap now, but I can't seem to find any of the ones with the 1ghz+ celerons in them. Most are pIII 900's. -jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Jan 5 07:40:13 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: apt4rpm (was: RE: [TCLUG] Dependency hell) References: <200312311349.14558.barnabas@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <3FF9693D.9050307@structural-wood.com> I've brought a bunch of machines from RedHat 7.0 all the way up to RedHat 9.0 using apt4rpm. If they are largely vanilla machines it goes pretty smoothly. If you've updated the machine using Ximian it becomes pretty hinky. For the last couple machines I upgraded I simply removed all packages that had ximian in the package name before I started and that made things easier. I removed all ximian packages by repeatedly invoking a command something like this: rpm -e `rpm -qa | egrep -y ximian` I needed to invoke it repeatedly because each pass would free up some dependent packages. Note that I upgraded through each version (i.e. 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, 8.0 and 9.0) rather than doing it all in one big upgrade. My thinking was that package maintainers would be more likely to write helper scripts to move from the previous version, and would be less likely to write scripts to move from any version... Kent Eric Stanley wrote: > I did try to upgrade from 9 to Fedora Core 1 with apt4rpm and it didn't go > well. I did have a fair number of non-freshrpm packages installed (I used > freshrpm.net apt repository). > > HTH, > > Eric > > On Wednesday 31 December 2003 13:25, Yaron wrote: > >>Hey, >> >>On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Justin Kremer wrote: >> >>>apt4rpm is also a pretty good option for RH9 >>>http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net/ >> >>Speaking of apt4rpm... I just installed it on a RH6.2 machine last night. >>I'm trying to get ext3 on that box, and while the kernel supports it, >>tune2fs, e2fsck and mount do not. I can't seem to find RPMs for newer >>versions that DO support them, and trying to manually upgrade to stuff >>from later versions of RH is scary... >> >>Has anyone used apt4rpm to upgrade Red Hat releases? That is, change the >>'6.2' in /etc/apt/sources.list to, say, '7.0', then '7.1', then '7.2' and >>gradually up to 9.0?... >> >> >>-Yaron >> >>-- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Jan 5 07:49:02 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap 1u servers? In-Reply-To: References: <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> <200401012056.i01KuR230998@ecstasy.winternet.com> <002501c3d2dc$ec92fd40$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <3FF96B4E.8020400@visi.com> ebay Try one of these for Linux/BSD http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3068005565&category=51237 or http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3068979414&category=1484 Sam. Jay Austad wrote: > I'm looking for a cheap 1u rackmount server. My current server is > aging, and I'm worried about it dying. The motherboard is a weird one > that has the power connector on the bottom of it, so to get it in the > case that it's in, the board is bent. Yep, you heard that right, it's > bent. A good amount too, I actually thought it might break while I was > screwing it in, but since I got it for free, I really didn't care too > much. It's been up and running for about 2.5 years like this, and it > needs some replacement action. Plus, it's running FreeBSD 4.5, and > that needs to be upgraded too. But since I run some things on it that > shouldn't be down for any amount of time, the easiest way to do this > would be to just get a new machine and migrate everything. > > I don't need anything super speedy, something at least 1.2ghz, IDE is > fine. Looking to spend under $300. I've seen some super sketchy > servers for around that price. And used 1u dell's are going cheap on > Ebay. If anyone has an old 1u dell laying around with a celeron in it, > I'd be interested in buying it. They were selling these about a year > and a half ago for $799, so it should be possible to pick one up > really cheap now, but I can't seem to find any of the ones with the > 1ghz+ celerons in them. Most are pIII 900's. > > -jay > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Mon Jan 5 09:38:07 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap 1u servers? In-Reply-To: (message from Jay Austad on Mon, 5 Jan 2004 02:04:53 -0600) References: <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> <200401012056.i01KuR230998@ecstasy.winternet.com> <002501c3d2dc$ec92fd40$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <200401051538.i05Fc7E14763@ecstasy.winternet.com> Jay Austad wrote: >..., but I can't seem to find any of the ones with the 1ghz+ >celerons in them. Most are pIII 900's. A pIII 900 MHz system would probably perform better than a Celeron 1+ GHz system. Why would one want a Celeron 1+ GHz system over a pIII 900 MHz? Could it be a price consideration or some other reason? Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Mon Jan 5 11:30:50 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Core Site Message-ID: <3FF99F4A.8050504@cruiskeen.com> Hi - I've been working on setting up a news and information site for Fedora Core. This is a part-time project of mine. Anyway, I thought people in the LUG might be interested in looking at it. Also - if you'd like to contribute - HOWTO's, reviews, or any other kind of info, please sign up to get an account on the site - I'd appreciate any help I can get on this. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Mon Jan 5 11:31:51 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OOPPS - didnt' include the URL for the Fedora Core site Message-ID: <3FF99F87.7000807@cruiskeen.com> My boss came over and mentioned going to lunch - I got so excited I hit send :-) http://www.fedorazine.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at MarkCourtney.com Mon Jan 5 15:35:05 2004 From: tclug at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh via wap with PalmOS Message-ID: <38604.12.98.223.34.1073338505.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> This might be kinda OT, but I wanna connect to a Linux server, so that kinda makes it more ONT. Does anyone know if there is software that allows one to connect with ssh using wap on PalmOS? Is this even possible? I've found some ssh apps for PalmOS, but my mobile provider will only offer me wap and pop3, not the whole shabang. Any and all input is appreciated! Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Jan 5 15:57:18 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NATed DNS - BIND server Message-ID: <1073339837.27198.48.camel@lotsa> I'm having a strange problem I can't figure out. I have a DNS server behind NAT. the server answers correctly when queried from the local private network but does not from the internet. From the internet, no matter what you ask, it answers with the public IP of the nat device (cisco 678). What the hell am I doing wrong? Here is some info, I've cut it up to keep it short >From The Cisco 678: cbos#show nat NAT is currently enabled Port Network Global eth0 Inside wan0-0 Outside 209.98.143.100 vip0 Outside ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ vip1 Outside STATIC IP OF CISCO 678 HOSTING THE BIND SERVER vip2 Outside Local IP : Port Global IP : Port Timer Flags Proto Interface 192.168.1.50:53 209.98.143.100:53 0 0x00041 udp eth0 wan0-0 192.168.1.50:53 209.98.143.100:53 0 0x00041 tcp eth0 wan0-0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ LOCAL IP OF BIND SERVER >From inside the private network: [tomp@lotsa test]$ dig @192.168.1.50 myhost.mydomain.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^ BIND SERVER ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> @192.168.1.50 r.circussoftware.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 20759 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;myhost.mydomain.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: myhost.mydomain.com. 10800 IN A 209.150.209.2 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ CORRECT! IP OF MYHOST.MYDOMAIN.COM >From the internet: [tomp@ringmaster tomp]$ dig @bindserver.binddomain.com myhost.mydomain.com ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> @many.blots.com ringmaster.circussoftware.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 27360 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;myhost.mydomain.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: myhost.mydomain.com. 0 IN A 209.98.143.100 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WRONG! THIS IS THE IP OF THE CISCO 678 It's like the NAT on the Cisco is rewriting the address of the answer. Does anyone have a clue how to fix this? Thanks! -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Jan 5 16:24:22 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NATed DNS - BIND server In-Reply-To: <1073339837.27198.48.camel@lotsa> References: <1073339837.27198.48.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1073341461.19665.67.camel@unixws1> This is a good one. CBOS bug in the NAT code makes the router replace the DNS answer with the public IP. When I ran across this at home, I thought I was going insane. I could not understand how my workstation even knew what the public IP was. I ended up watching the raw packets leaving my box, and coming into my network, and saw the difference. I think there is a fix to CBOS for this - I ended up moving DNS elsewhere instead of risk "discovering" other problems. Nate might have details on if this has been fixed. On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 15:57, Tom Penney wrote: > I'm having a strange problem I can't figure out. I have a DNS server > behind NAT. the server answers correctly when queried from the local > private network but does not from the internet. From the internet, no > matter what you ask, it answers with the public IP of the nat device > (cisco 678). What the hell am I doing wrong? > > Here is some info, I've cut it up to keep it short > > >From The Cisco 678: > > cbos#show nat > > NAT is currently enabled > > Port Network Global > eth0 Inside > wan0-0 Outside 209.98.143.100 > vip0 Outside ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > vip1 Outside STATIC IP OF CISCO 678 HOSTING THE BIND SERVER > vip2 Outside > > Local IP : Port Global IP : Port Timer Flags Proto Interface > 192.168.1.50:53 209.98.143.100:53 0 0x00041 udp eth0 wan0-0 > 192.168.1.50:53 209.98.143.100:53 0 0x00041 tcp eth0 wan0-0 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > LOCAL IP OF BIND SERVER > > > > >From inside the private network: > > [tomp@lotsa test]$ dig @192.168.1.50 myhost.mydomain.com > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > BIND SERVER > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> @192.168.1.50 r.circussoftware.com > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 20759 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 1 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;myhost.mydomain.com. IN A > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > myhost.mydomain.com. 10800 IN A 209.150.209.2 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > CORRECT! IP OF MYHOST.MYDOMAIN.COM > > >From the internet: > [tomp@ringmaster tomp]$ dig @bindserver.binddomain.com myhost.mydomain.com > > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> @many.blots.com ringmaster.circussoftware.com > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 27360 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 1 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;myhost.mydomain.com. IN A > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > myhost.mydomain.com. 0 IN A 209.98.143.100 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > WRONG! THIS IS THE IP OF THE CISCO 678 > > > It's like the NAT on the Cisco is rewriting the address of the answer. > Does anyone have a clue how to fix this? > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at MarkCourtney.com Mon Jan 5 16:37:06 2004 From: tclug at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NATed DNS - BIND server In-Reply-To: <1073339837.27198.48.camel@lotsa> References: <1073339837.27198.48.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <39925.12.98.223.34.1073342226.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I think the hardest part of DNS is the patients... oh wait. I'm not a doctor. The patience. It's quite possible that the name server you were using hadn't caught up yet. If you'd like to see results more quickly, you can reduce the "Minimum TTL" in your named hosts file. It would be helpful if you'd supply the actual hostname. Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ > I'm having a strange problem I can't figure out. I have a DNS server > behind NAT. the server answers correctly when queried from the local > private network but does not from the internet. From the internet, no > matter what you ask, it answers with the public IP of the nat device > (cisco 678). What the hell am I doing wrong? > > Here is some info, I've cut it up to keep it short > >>From The Cisco 678: > > cbos#show nat > > NAT is currently enabled > > Port Network Global > eth0 Inside > wan0-0 Outside 209.98.143.100 > vip0 Outside ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > vip1 Outside STATIC IP OF CISCO 678 HOSTING THE BIND > SERVER > vip2 Outside > > Local IP : Port Global IP : Port Timer Flags > Proto Interface > 192.168.1.50:53 209.98.143.100:53 0 0x00041 > udp eth0 wan0-0 > 192.168.1.50:53 209.98.143.100:53 0 0x00041 > tcp eth0 wan0-0 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > LOCAL IP OF BIND SERVER > > > >>From inside the private network: > > [tomp@lotsa test]$ dig @192.168.1.50 myhost.mydomain.com > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > BIND SERVER > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> @192.168.1.50 r.circussoftware.com > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 20759 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 2, > ADDITIONAL: 1 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;myhost.mydomain.com. IN A > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > myhost.mydomain.com. 10800 IN A 209.150.209.2 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > CORRECT! IP OF > MYHOST.MYDOMAIN.COM > >>From the internet: > [tomp@ringmaster tomp]$ dig @bindserver.binddomain.com > myhost.mydomain.com > > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> @many.blots.com > ringmaster.circussoftware.com > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 27360 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, > ADDITIONAL: 1 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;myhost.mydomain.com. IN A > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > myhost.mydomain.com. 0 IN A 209.98.143.100 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > WRONG! THIS IS THE IP OF THE > CISCO 678 > > > It's like the NAT on the Cisco is rewriting the address of the answer. > Does anyone have a clue how to fix this? > > Thanks! > > -- > Tom Penney > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Jan 5 16:56:24 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NATed DNS - BIND server In-Reply-To: <1073341461.19665.67.camel@unixws1> References: <1073339837.27198.48.camel@lotsa> <1073341461.19665.67.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <4295.156.99.116.45.1073343384.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > CBOS bug in the NAT code makes the router replace the DNS answer with > the public IP. This is a common problem, yet there's not a lot of info available on it. I troubleshot this one about a month ago, there is definitely a bug in CBOS. The latest image for the 678 is 2.4.8, but I have not heard whether or not it fixes this particular bug. I currently have a DSL box set up this way, so if the 2.4.8 CBOS image fixes this bug I'd really like to know. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Jan 5 20:18:56 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NATed DNS - BIND server References: <1073339837.27198.48.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <002901c3d3fb$6fc77320$0201a8c0@brinstar> Tom Penney writes: > I'm having a strange problem I can't figure out. I have a DNS server > behind NAT. the server answers correctly when queried from the local > private network but does not from the internet. From the internet, no > matter what you ask, it answers with the public IP of the nat device > (cisco 678). What the hell am I doing wrong? The router is rewriting the DNS traffic incorrectly. I've read that you can correct the problem by running the internal DNS server on a different port (i.e. not 53) and setting up the appropriate forwards on the router. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Tue Jan 6 00:11:39 2004 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cheap 1u servers? In-Reply-To: <200401051538.i05Fc7E14763@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <1072906449.3ff340d173cc2@mail.bitstream.net> <200401012056.i01KuR230998@ecstasy.winternet.com> <002501c3d2dc$ec92fd40$1e02a8c0@zippy> <200401051538.i05Fc7E14763@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <30D9B6F4-400F-11D8-941C-000A95A918D6@signal15.com> I saw a benchmark awhile back that showed the celeron 1ghz performing slightly better than the PIII900. I think it was because the 1ghz celeron was the newer generation processor, while the PIII 900 was the old one. On Jan 5, 2004, at 9:38 AM, Ken Fuchs wrote: > Jay Austad wrote: > >> ..., but I can't seem to find any of the ones with the 1ghz+ >> celerons in them. Most are pIII 900's. > > A pIII 900 MHz system would probably perform better than a Celeron 1+ > GHz system. Why would one want a Celeron 1+ GHz system over a pIII 900 > MHz? Could it be a price consideration or some other reason? > > Sincerely, > > Ken Fuchs > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Jan 6 07:39:35 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NATed DNS - BIND server In-Reply-To: <4295.156.99.116.45.1073343384.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <1073339837.27198.48.camel@lotsa> <1073341461.19665.67.camel@unixws1> <4295.156.99.116.45.1073343384.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <1073396374.22248.0.camel@unixws1> It doesn't appear to be listed in BugTool either. On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 16:56, Brian wrote: > > CBOS bug in the NAT code makes the router replace the DNS answer with > > the public IP. > > This is a common problem, yet there's not a lot of info available on it. > I troubleshot this one about a month ago, there is definitely a bug in > CBOS. The latest image for the 678 is 2.4.8, but I have not heard whether > or not it fixes this particular bug. I currently have a DSL box set up > this way, so if the 2.4.8 CBOS image fixes this bug I'd really like to > know. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Jan 6 07:59:05 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] - 11.5 - Any gamblers on the list? Message-ID: <1073397544.22248.14.camel@unixws1> Anyone here familiar with the card game 11.5? It's similar to blackjack, and supposedly very popular in Europe. I'm trying to find an answer to a specific question, or a source for somewhat official rules. Google is failing me and bringing up all sorts of Casino websites. Specifically, I'm trying to confirm or deny whether the rules call for a push when the dealer and player tie, like in Blackjack. If you haven't heard of the game, it's actually kind of cool. It's played identically to blackjack, but you play to 11.5 points instead of 21. Cards are worth their face value, except Aces are 1 or 11, and face cards are worth 0.5 (1/2 point). So an ace and a face card is 11.5, a winning hand. The game also seems to allow a win on any 5 card hand (not over 11.5), just like Blackjack. I'd also be interested in on-line resources that have analyzed the game (read: published win percentages on hands), to save me the work. And yes, this is to settle an argument...on the internet :) You know what they say... TIA, Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jan 6 09:17:04 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting english in Sylpheed Message-ID: I just built a new box, and it's been a while since I've had to setup Sylpheed. After installing and building it, when I start up Sylpheed it shows up in Japanese. Text of the messages that is. I did some googling, and the only answer I could find was to set the LANG variable. I tried setting that to LANG="en_US" and well as LC_ALL to the same with no success. In comparing between old and new setups of sylpheed, it looks like I have everything set up properly. Anyone have some other ideas to get it to display in English? Thanks. ______________________ Shawn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jan 6 09:30:30 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Setting english in Sylpheed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Got it figured out a couple of minutes after sending this. Had to go into Config/Display and then change the default fonts. It's been quite a while since I set it up.. =P Apologies for the spam. ______________________ Shawn On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Shawn wrote: > I just built a new box, and it's been a while since I've had to setup > Sylpheed. After installing and building it, when I start up Sylpheed it > shows up in Japanese. Text of the messages that is. > I did some googling, and the only answer I could find was to set the > LANG variable. I tried setting that to LANG="en_US" and well as LC_ALL to > the same with no success. > In comparing between old and new setups of sylpheed, it looks like I > have everything set up properly. Anyone have some other ideas to get it > to display in English? > > Thanks. > > ______________________ > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Jan 6 15:29:27 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. Message-ID: <3FFB28B7.7070300@visi.com> I created a document using Word 97 (I'm not buying another M$ license) The document is a table with business card size cells (for business cards) It has a graphic in each of the cells It has 2 bullet points It has 2 different fonts, some bold. No color. Standard information for a business card. As a word doc it's 671k, for one page, it has a graphic on each card. I opened it in OO Writer and saved it as an OO Writer "sxw" file, it's 6,724k ! OUCH that's a bit large for one page, over 6.5 megabytes! Anyone know why this happened or is this normal behavior form Open Office. Opening this document from a LAN drive is very painful. It prints great but the size is larger then expected. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kal at crcmn.com Tue Jan 6 15:50:30 2004 From: kal at crcmn.com (Kevin Layne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. References: <3FFB28B7.7070300@visi.com> Message-ID: <006001c3d49f$1a7a0a00$0a010a0a@crcmn.com> The word doc stores one copy of the image to display in each cell where the oo document stores multiple copies of the image? just my guess... are there 10 cells? kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel MacDonald" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:29 PM Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. > I created a document using Word 97 (I'm not buying another M$ license) > The document is a table with business card size cells (for business cards) > > It has a graphic in each of the cells > It has 2 bullet points > It has 2 different fonts, some bold. > No color. > > Standard information for a business card. > > As a word doc it's 671k, for one page, it has a graphic on each card. > > I opened it in OO Writer and saved it as an OO Writer "sxw" file, it's > 6,724k ! > OUCH that's a bit large for one page, over 6.5 megabytes! > > Anyone know why this happened or is this normal behavior form Open > Office. Opening this document from a LAN drive is very painful. It > prints great but the size is larger then expected. > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Jan 6 16:26:36 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (rick ) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. Message-ID: <200401061626.AA2447245574@mail.eworld3.net> You know that you can make business cards inside OpenOffice.org. I bought blank cards on an 8.5x11 sheet at OfficeMax and printed on my Laser printer. Let me know (off list) if you want to know more about how that works. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Samuel MacDonald Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:29:27 -0600 >I created a document using Word 97 (I'm not buying another M$ license) >The document is a table with business card size cells (for business cards) > >It has a graphic in each of the cells >It has 2 bullet points >It has 2 different fonts, some bold. >No color. > >Standard information for a business card. > >As a word doc it's 671k, for one page, it has a graphic on each card. > >I opened it in OO Writer and saved it as an OO Writer "sxw" file, it's >6,724k ! >OUCH that's a bit large for one page, over 6.5 megabytes! > >Anyone know why this happened or is this normal behavior form Open >Office. Opening this document from a LAN drive is very painful. It >prints great but the size is larger then expected. > >Sam. > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Jan 6 16:24:46 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (rick ) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. Message-ID: <200401061624.AA2633957568@mail.eworld3.net> That would be my guess. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kevin Layne" Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:50:30 -0600 >The word doc stores one copy of the image to display in each cell where the >oo document stores multiple copies of the image? just my guess... are >there 10 cells? >kevin > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Samuel MacDonald" >To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:29 PM >Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. > > >> I created a document using Word 97 (I'm not buying another M$ license) >> The document is a table with business card size cells (for business cards) >> >> It has a graphic in each of the cells >> It has 2 bullet points >> It has 2 different fonts, some bold. >> No color. >> >> Standard information for a business card. >> >> As a word doc it's 671k, for one page, it has a graphic on each card. >> >> I opened it in OO Writer and saved it as an OO Writer "sxw" file, it's >> 6,724k ! >> OUCH that's a bit large for one page, over 6.5 megabytes! >> >> Anyone know why this happened or is this normal behavior form Open >> Office. Opening this document from a LAN drive is very painful. It >> prints great but the size is larger then expected. >> >> Sam. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Jan 6 17:14:13 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. References: <3FFB28B7.7070300@visi.com> Message-ID: <001801c3d4aa$ccaffbc0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Samuel MacDonald writes: > Opening this document from a LAN drive is very painful. Upgrade your old 10mbit hub to a 100mbit switch and put 100mbit cards in the two computers. That file will transfer in less than a second over a 100mbit network. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Jan 6 16:24:27 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NATed DNS - BIND server In-Reply-To: <002901c3d3fb$6fc77320$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1073339837.27198.48.camel@lotsa> <002901c3d3fb$6fc77320$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1073427866.1418.14.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 20:18, David Phillips wrote: > Tom Penney writes: > > I'm having a strange problem I can't figure out. I have a DNS server > > behind NAT. the server answers correctly when queried from the local > > private network but does not from the internet. From the internet, no > > matter what you ask, it answers with the public IP of the nat device > > (cisco 678). What the hell am I doing wrong? > > The router is rewriting the DNS traffic incorrectly. I've read that you can > correct the problem by running the internal DNS server on a different port > (i.e. not 53) and setting up the appropriate forwards on the router. You da man! This has solved my problem. Thanks! I did upgrade the router from cbos 2.4.1 to 2.4.6 This had no effect. I then did as Dave suggested and ran bind on port 54 instead of port 53. I then set up the NAT on the router to translate internet port 53 traffic to port 54 on the local net. I also am running a second instance of bind on port 53 so I don't have a non-standard port for DNS locally. I thought I was going nuts. I've never seen Nat do something like that before. Thanks to everyone who responded! The list comes though again! -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Jan 6 16:31:06 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NATed DNS - BIND server In-Reply-To: <4295.156.99.116.45.1073343384.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <1073339837.27198.48.camel@lotsa> <1073341461.19665.67.camel@unixws1> <4295.156.99.116.45.1073343384.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <1073428266.1418.20.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 16:56, Brian wrote: > The latest image for the 678 is 2.4.8, but I have not heard whether > or not it fixes this particular bug. I currently have a DSL box set up > this way, so if the 2.4.8 CBOS image fixes this bug I'd really like to > know. Sorry Brian I didn't read you post closly enough before I upgraded. Qwest had the upgrade for 2.4.6 (DMT) for download. I just assumed this was the most recent and I upgraded to that. I should know better. So I don't know if 2.4.8 fixes this problem. 2.4.6 most certainly does not. Thanks for your help! - Tom -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gfischer at visi.com Tue Jan 6 17:54:39 2004 From: gfischer at visi.com (George Fischer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. In-Reply-To: <200401061626.AA2447245574@mail.eworld3.net> (rick@eworld3.net's message of "Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:26:36 -0600") References: <200401061626.AA2447245574@mail.eworld3.net> Message-ID: <87wu8463b4.fsf@visi.com> Or use glabels. I've found it pretty easy, but then I've never done anything complicated, either. http://glabels.sourceforge.net/ "rick " writes: > You know that you can make business cards inside OpenOffice.org. I bought blank cards on an 8.5x11 sheet at OfficeMax and printed on my Laser printer. Let me know (off list) if you want to know more about how that works. > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Samuel MacDonald > Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List > Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:29:27 -0600 > >>I created a document using Word 97 (I'm not buying another M$ license) >>The document is a table with business card size cells (for business cards) >> >>It has a graphic in each of the cells >>It has 2 bullet points >>It has 2 different fonts, some bold. >>No color. >> >>Standard information for a business card. >> >>As a word doc it's 671k, for one page, it has a graphic on each card. >> >>I opened it in OO Writer and saved it as an OO Writer "sxw" file, it's >>6,724k ! >>OUCH that's a bit large for one page, over 6.5 megabytes! >> >>Anyone know why this happened or is this normal behavior form Open >>Office. Opening this document from a LAN drive is very painful. It >>prints great but the size is larger then expected. >> >>Sam. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- George Fischer - gfischer@visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gfischer at visi.com Tue Jan 6 18:10:54 2004 From: gfischer at visi.com (George Fischer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. In-Reply-To: <87wu8463b4.fsf@visi.com> (George Fischer's message of "Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:54:39 -0600") References: <200401061626.AA2447245574@mail.eworld3.net> <87wu8463b4.fsf@visi.com> Message-ID: <87oetg62k1.fsf@visi.com> Okay, this was a stupid suggestion, unless you aren't purposefully using Word and OO to maintain some sort of Windows compatability. Sorry. George Fischer writes: > Or use glabels. I've found it pretty easy, but then I've never done > anything complicated, either. > > http://glabels.sourceforge.net/ > > "rick " writes: > >> You know that you can make business cards inside OpenOffice.org. I bought blank cards on an 8.5x11 sheet at OfficeMax and printed on my Laser printer. Let me know (off list) if you want to know more about how that works. >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: Samuel MacDonald >> Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:29:27 -0600 >> >>>I created a document using Word 97 (I'm not buying another M$ license) >>>The document is a table with business card size cells (for business cards) >>> >>>It has a graphic in each of the cells >>>It has 2 bullet points >>>It has 2 different fonts, some bold. >>>No color. >>> >>>Standard information for a business card. >>> >>>As a word doc it's 671k, for one page, it has a graphic on each card. >>> >>>I opened it in OO Writer and saved it as an OO Writer "sxw" file, it's >>>6,724k ! >>>OUCH that's a bit large for one page, over 6.5 megabytes! >>> >>>Anyone know why this happened or is this normal behavior form Open >>>Office. Opening this document from a LAN drive is very painful. It >>>prints great but the size is larger then expected. >>> >>>Sam. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > George Fischer - gfischer@visi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- George Fischer - gfischer@visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Jan 6 18:44:45 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. In-Reply-To: <006001c3d49f$1a7a0a00$0a010a0a@crcmn.com> References: <3FFB28B7.7070300@visi.com> <006001c3d49f$1a7a0a00$0a010a0a@crcmn.com> Message-ID: <3FFB567D.9020402@visi.com> Wow, I just saved the graphic file as a jpg (3k) and inserted it in to word the whole word *.doc file went down to 60k. I had pasted the graphic from another word document the first time When I inserted it in to open office as a jpg, the writer *.sxw file is now 11k That was just to nasty, it must have been a WMF format when I pasted it in to word and when I saved as in OO it must have just freaked out on the WMF format of the image. Problem solved don't past images, insert them. OO Writer saves disk space... Word file is 60k Writer file is 11k Sam. Kevin Layne wrote: >The word doc stores one copy of the image to display in each cell where the >oo document stores multiple copies of the image? just my guess... are >there 10 cells? >kevin > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Samuel MacDonald" >To: "TCLUG Mailing List" >Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:29 PM >Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. > > > > >>I created a document using Word 97 (I'm not buying another M$ license) >>The document is a table with business card size cells (for business cards) >> >>It has a graphic in each of the cells >>It has 2 bullet points >>It has 2 different fonts, some bold. >>No color. >> >>Standard information for a business card. >> >>As a word doc it's 671k, for one page, it has a graphic on each card. >> >>I opened it in OO Writer and saved it as an OO Writer "sxw" file, it's >>6,724k ! >>OUCH that's a bit large for one page, over 6.5 megabytes! >> >>Anyone know why this happened or is this normal behavior form Open >>Office. Opening this document from a LAN drive is very painful. It >>prints great but the size is larger then expected. >> >>Sam. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Jan 6 18:45:25 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (OT) This is just to weird. In-Reply-To: <87oetg62k1.fsf@visi.com> References: <200401061626.AA2447245574@mail.eworld3.net> <87wu8463b4.fsf@visi.com> <87oetg62k1.fsf@visi.com> Message-ID: <3FFB56A5.9080408@visi.com> No I just was moving it to Linux and testing in OO. George Fischer wrote: >Okay, this was a stupid suggestion, unless you aren't purposefully using >Word and OO to maintain some sort of Windows compatability. > >Sorry. > >George Fischer writes: > > > >>Or use glabels. I've found it pretty easy, but then I've never done >>anything complicated, either. >> >>http://glabels.sourceforge.net/ >> >>"rick " writes: >> >> >> >>>You know that you can make business cards inside OpenOffice.org. I bought blank cards on an 8.5x11 sheet at OfficeMax and printed on my Laser printer. Let me know (off list) if you want to know more about how that works. >>> >>>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>From: Samuel MacDonald >>>Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:29:27 -0600 >>> >>> >>> >>>>I created a document using Word 97 (I'm not buying another M$ license) >>>>The document is a table with business card size cells (for business cards) >>>> >>>>It has a graphic in each of the cells >>>>It has 2 bullet points >>>>It has 2 different fonts, some bold. >>>>No color. >>>> >>>>Standard information for a business card. >>>> >>>>As a word doc it's 671k, for one page, it has a graphic on each card. >>>> >>>>I opened it in OO Writer and saved it as an OO Writer "sxw" file, it's >>>>6,724k ! >>>>OUCH that's a bit large for one page, over 6.5 megabytes! >>>> >>>>Anyone know why this happened or is this normal behavior form Open >>>>Office. Opening this document from a LAN drive is very painful. It >>>>prints great but the size is larger then expected. >>>> >>>>Sam. >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>-- >>George Fischer - gfischer@visi.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 7 07:57:38 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: [tcphp] free webspace, dns, email..] Message-ID: <3FFC1052.5020102@visi.com> I've been looking this over for obvious reasons, has anyone had experience with this company? They like Linux so thats a start. :-) Sam. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [tcphp] free webspace, dns, email.. Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 04:36:58 -0500 From: Michael To: lvlug , kclug@kclug.org, nolug@joeykelly.net, dev@lists.nyphp.org, talk@tcphp.org I don't know if this has been on this list yet but it was on another of my LUG lists and I tried it and am finding it to be a great deal. http://1and1.com is offering 3 years of free hosting including web, email, and dns with lots of features and they don't even ask for a credit card or anything. I've been messing with it for about a week and have found no catches and it is really very good. You can ssh in to work with files, you can have multiple domains, PHP, MySQL, multiple email accounts, 500Mb of space, generous bandwidth limits. Worth looking at. The deal runs out in a couple days so figured I'd mention it now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe@tcphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help@tcphp.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Jan 7 08:18:49 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: [tcphp] free webspace, dns, email..] In-Reply-To: <3FFC1052.5020102@visi.com> Message-ID: Unless I'm having deja-vu, I'm pretty sure this [exact] message was sent to the list awhile ago (maybe 9 mos? Too lazy to check.) Whether anyone used it or not, I don't recall hearing. But checking Google for the previous thread may show some previous response. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:58 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: [tcphp] free webspace, dns, email..] > > > I've been looking this over for obvious reasons, has anyone had > experience with this company? They like Linux so thats a start. :-) > > Sam. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [tcphp] free webspace, dns, email.. > Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 04:36:58 -0500 > From: Michael > To: lvlug , kclug@kclug.org, nolug@joeykelly.net, > dev@lists.nyphp.org, talk@tcphp.org > > > > I don't know if this has been on this list yet but it was on > another of > my LUG lists and I tried it and am finding it to be a great deal. > http://1and1.com is offering 3 years of free hosting including web, > email, and dns with lots of features and they don't even ask for a > credit card or anything. I've been messing with it for about > a week and > have found no catches and it is really very good. You can ssh > in to work > with files, you can have multiple domains, PHP, MySQL, multiple email > accounts, 500Mb of space, generous bandwidth limits. Worth > looking at. > The deal runs out in a couple days so figured I'd mention it now. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe@tcphp.org > For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help@tcphp.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Jan 7 10:44:59 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Message-ID: <3FFC378B.8030106@druswanderings.net> It's one of those weeks. I could sure use a beer meeting Friday. At this point, I think I'd drive to Fridley if necessary. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at argle.org Wed Jan 7 11:04:18 2004 From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3FFC378B.8030106@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: Couldn't agree more. I might suggest the new Broadway Pizza at University and 83rd, decent parking, haven't been there yet. OTOH, Roseville tends to work better of the northern suburbs, perhaps Old Chicago at HarMar (I've heard a rumor of wireless there too). On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, The Wandering Dru wrote: > It's one of those weeks. I could sure use a beer meeting Friday. > > > At this point, I think I'd drive to Fridley if necessary. > > -- Daniel Taylor dante@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 7 10:59:18 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [tcphp] OFF TOPIC free webspace, dns, email.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFC3AE6.6030508@visi.com> I think the data center is in Germany so I don't think any US law applies. Makes one think about how this effects local companies, I'm sure it would have some effect nationally. Free has it's draw backs when you look at the big picture. Sam. Ken Reilly wrote: >>I don't know if this has been on this list yet but it was on another >> >> >of > > >>my LUG lists and I tried it and am finding it to be a great deal. >>http://1and1.com is offering 3 years of free hosting including web, >>email, and dns with lots of features and they don't even ask for a >>credit card or anything. I've been messing with it for about a week >> >> >and > > >>have found no catches and it is really very good. You can ssh in to >> >> >work > > >>with files, you can have multiple domains, PHP, MySQL, multiple email >>accounts, 500Mb of space, generous bandwidth limits. Worth looking at. >> >> > > > >>The deal runs out in a couple days so figured I'd mention it now. >> >> > >Isn't this somehow illegal, the process of price cutting, or something >like that? Large companies can't under price their product just to >squash the little guys. Why would anyone choose another hosting company >when this is free for 3 years? That's a long time in internet years. > > >Ken > > >PHP TIP: >You can view syntax highlighted source code of your PHP page with this >function: >show_source('filename.php'); >There is also a highlight_file() function. > >Or you can save the file as 'filename.phps' >Make sure your httpd.conf file includes the line: >AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Wed Jan 7 10:57:50 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting, templates, billing Message-ID: <3FFC3A8E.9070308@igi.com> I do Linux consulting on the side and I am sure alot of you do as well. I was looking for something that might keep track of clients, let me add notes about them, and maybe generate billing statements for me based on hours worked. I would prefer a web interface. Even just a template I can use to make a bill would be good. Trying to get slightly more professional than my typical crayon on napkin billing statement asking for payment :) How do you people handle it? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Jan 7 11:04:00 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Message-ID: Now that is desperate! Hey, wait...I live in Fridley! Sounds like a great location for a beer meeting ;-) >>> dru@druswanderings.net 01/07/04 10:44AM >>> At this point, I think I'd drive to Fridley if necessary. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Jan 7 11:23:29 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040107172329.GE1579@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Wed Jan 7 11:22:39 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Thomas J. Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting, templates, billing In-Reply-To: <3FFC3A8E.9070308@igi.com> References: <3FFC3A8E.9070308@igi.com> Message-ID: <1073496159.27239.811.camel@daedalus.1337consulting.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Jan 7 11:27:55 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LAN/WAN simulation with LINUX Message-ID: Has anyone used UML, NISTNET or products like Candela's LANForge to simulate networks (congestion, latency etc etc)? Just looking for recommendations or a few good canidates to follow up on. thanks johnnyf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Wed Jan 7 11:24:10 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Thomas J. Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073496250.27239.813.camel@daedalus.1337consulting.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Jan 7 11:21:59 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > OTOH, Roseville tends to work better of the northern suburbs, > perhaps Old Chicago at HarMar (I've heard a rumor of wireless there > too). Rumor confirmed.. It's another SurfThing site, but the signal is weak in some parts of the main dining area. Chuck _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Jan 7 11:29:18 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Taylor > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:04 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! > > > Couldn't agree more. I might suggest the new Broadway Pizza > at University and 83rd, decent parking, haven't been there yet. > > OTOH, Roseville tends to work better of the northern suburbs, > perhaps Old Chicago at HarMar (I've heard a rumor of wireless > there too). True! They have a public AP for customers. I'll throw a vote for Old Chicago. It's been almost a year since my last beer meeting. > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, The Wandering Dru wrote: > > > It's one of those weeks. I could sure use a beer meeting Friday. > > > > > > At this point, I think I'd drive to Fridley if necessary. You know they have beer in places other than Fridley, right? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Jan 7 11:38:30 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting, templates, billing In-Reply-To: <3FFC3A8E.9070308@igi.com> References: <3FFC3A8E.9070308@igi.com> Message-ID: <3FFC4416.1080101@cdf123.com> Jason Jorgensen wrote: > I do Linux consulting on the side and I am sure alot of you do as > well. I was looking for something that might keep track of clients, > let me add notes about them, and maybe generate billing statements for > me based on hours worked. > > I would prefer a web interface. > > Even just a template I can use to make a bill would be good. > > Trying to get slightly more professional than my typical crayon on > napkin billing statement asking for payment :) > > How do you people handle it? > I handle mine with OpenOffice.org, and GnuCash. GnuCash keeps track of my checking, so it made sense to use it for billing too. And I just have a OpenOffice.org template for billing that I just fill out. As far as integrating the two, I just don't get enough business (nor do I want to, I miss my free time as it is) to warrant it. If I want to print an invoice, keep track of hours, or do something fancy on site, I ssh -X to my server at home. I keep mini cds of Damn Small Linux, Trinux, some dos/win32 tools (putty.exe), and a Knoppix cd in my glove box just in case... Thats just my setup... Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Jan 7 11:28:37 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFC41C5.9020601@druswanderings.net> Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Now that is desperate! > > Hey, wait...I live in Fridley! Sounds like a great > location for a beer meeting ;-) > > >>>>dru@druswanderings.net 01/07/04 10:44AM >>> > > At this point, I think I'd drive to Fridley if necessary. > I'm still waiting for a beer meeting in Farmington. I suppose I should get into town and see what's available so I can at least make a suggestion. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 7 11:45:52 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <1073496250.27239.813.camel@daedalus.1337consulting.net> References: <1073496250.27239.813.camel@daedalus.1337consulting.net> Message-ID: <3FFC45D0.3040903@visi.com> Mmmmm.... Beeeeeer..... I say we go to Manards in Excelsior, we can watch the ice on Lake Minnetonka fill with ice houses. Even better we could stand on the frozen lake drink beer and fish through the ice! Kind of reduces the battery life of, well everything... but it would be fun, we could connect a fish finder to a laptop and watch the fish swim by :-) I wonder what OS the fish finders run? I'm only partially kidding by the way... Sam. Thomas J. Hudak wrote: >On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 11:04, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > >>Couldn't agree more. I might suggest the new Broadway Pizza at >>University and 83rd, decent parking, haven't been there yet. >> >>OTOH, Roseville tends to work better of the northern suburbs, >>perhaps Old Chicago at HarMar (I've heard a rumor of wireless there >>too). >> >> >I could drive by and scan for open nets.. > >Beer goood.. mmmm. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Jan 7 11:38:56 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Message-ID: I, uh, live at the new Broadway Pizza at University and 83rd. Yeah, I live there. >>> florin@iucha.net 01/07/04 11:23AM >>> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:04:00AM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Now that is desperate! > Hey, wait...I live in Fridley! Sounds like a great > location for a beer meeting ;-) Thanks for the invitation; what is your address? > >>> dru@druswanderings.net 01/07/04 10:44AM >>> > At this point, I think I'd drive to Fridley if necessary. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jan 7 11:43:25 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > It's been almost a year since my last beer meeting. Why does this sound like a confessional? By the way, anyone is welcome to take over the scapegoat^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hbeer meeting coordinator job. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 7 11:36:13 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting, templates, billing In-Reply-To: <3FFC3A8E.9070308@igi.com> References: <3FFC3A8E.9070308@igi.com> Message-ID: <3FFC438D.4000600@visi.com> I do a OOWriter template with fields to fill in. I keep records of items I sell in an OOCalc spreadsheet I don't have tons of customers (the customers I have are GREAT!) but I feel it should be simple until something complex is needed. Then I'll write it in PHP make it open and not worry about paying for it. Sam. Jason Jorgensen wrote: > I do Linux consulting on the side and I am sure alot of you do as > well. I was looking for something that might keep track of clients, > let me add notes about them, and maybe generate billing statements for > me based on hours worked. > > I would prefer a web interface. > > Even just a template I can use to make a bill would be good. > > Trying to get slightly more professional than my typical crayon on > napkin billing statement asking for payment :) > > How do you people handle it? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 7 11:47:42 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting, templates, billing In-Reply-To: <3FFC4416.1080101@cdf123.com> References: <3FFC3A8E.9070308@igi.com> <3FFC4416.1080101@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <3FFC463E.9010303@visi.com> That's a very cool idea, the CD's with Linux and M$ apps on them. Sam. Chris Frederick wrote: > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > >> I do Linux consulting on the side and I am sure alot of you do as >> well. I was looking for something that might keep track of clients, >> let me add notes about them, and maybe generate billing statements >> for me based on hours worked. >> >> I would prefer a web interface. >> >> Even just a template I can use to make a bill would be good. >> >> Trying to get slightly more professional than my typical crayon on >> napkin billing statement asking for payment :) >> >> How do you people handle it? >> > I handle mine with OpenOffice.org, and GnuCash. GnuCash keeps track > of my checking, so it made sense to use it for billing too. And I > just have a OpenOffice.org template for billing that I just fill out. > As far as integrating the two, I just don't get enough business (nor > do I want to, I miss my free time as it is) to warrant it. If I want > to print an invoice, keep track of hours, or do something fancy on > site, I ssh -X to my server at home. I keep mini cds of Damn Small > Linux, Trinux, some dos/win32 tools (putty.exe), and a Knoppix cd in > my glove box just in case... > > Thats just my setup... > > Chris Frederick > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jan 7 11:49:59 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LAN/WAN simulation with LINUX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Has anyone used UML, NISTNET or products like Candela's LANForge to > simulate networks (congestion, latency etc etc)? Just looking for > recommendations or a few good canidates to follow up on. Yep. I just started tinkering with UML in the last week or so. It's pretty nice. I'd definitely recommend applying the SKAS patch, if you're going to seriously use it (huge performance improvement). Another option that I started playing with today is honeyd[1]. It can simulate a network, with latency, packet loss, and whatnot. You can also include "real" hosts in the virtual networks. I'm liking it thus far. I think it has more networking features than UML, although the two could probably be combined one way or another. Jima 1. http://www.honeyd.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Jan 7 11:48:00 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFC4650.8090406@druswanderings.net> John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > You know they have beer in places other than Fridley, right? > > Oh, heck yeah. I was merely expressing the extraordinary lengths I would go to for a beer meeting this week. I did, however, err in not giving a point of reference (I live in Farmington). -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Wed Jan 7 12:07:05 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3627@owa.compellent.com> Apple Valley, Burnsville, Rosemount, Eagan, Eden Prairie for me. Maybe this should be a vote. List a bunch of random places that people submit each beer meeting time. People vote on it for a few days. The person that submitted the site makes the arrangements. I do know that a fair amount of people on the list attend the U of Minnesota, so chances are places around there will be picked more frequently. But, that's not all that bad. It is somewhat central to the area. Most of this is mitigated by the random selections each beer meeting time. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of The Wandering Dru Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:48 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > You know they have beer in places other than Fridley, right? > > Oh, heck yeah. I was merely expressing the extraordinary lengths I would go to for a beer meeting this week. I did, however, err in not giving a point of reference (I live in Farmington). -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jan 7 12:21:30 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3627@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3627@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <1237.156.99.116.45.1073499690.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > Apple Valley, Burnsville, Rosemount, Eagan, Eden Prairie for me. > > Maybe this should be a vote. List a bunch of random places that people > submit each beer meeting time. People vote on it for a few days. The > person that submitted the site makes the arrangements. I can lend a hand here. You have until 3:00 today to post your preferred location in this thread, at which time I'll set up a poll and post a notice. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Jan 7 12:36:49 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3627@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3627@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <20040107183649.GA21637@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 12:07:05PM -0600, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Apple Valley, Burnsville, Rosemount, Eagan, Eden Prairie for me. Eagan, Bloomington, Richfield, South Minneapolis are best for me. > I do know that a fair amount of people on the list attend the U of > Minnesota, so chances are places around there will be picked more > frequently. Town hall brewery is nice. There's also a new (to me) brewpub in the Lyn/Lake area that I'd like to try. The name eludes me, it's on the NW corner of the intersection, then N a bit. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 7 12:56:53 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3627@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3627@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <3FFC5675.2000007@visi.com> Put the vote on the website. Sam. Ben Neigebauer wrote: >Apple Valley, Burnsville, Rosemount, Eagan, Eden Prairie for me. > >Maybe this should be a vote. List a bunch of random places that people >submit each beer meeting time. People vote on it for a few days. The >person that submitted the site makes the arrangements. > >I do know that a fair amount of people on the list attend the U of >Minnesota, so chances are places around there will be picked more >frequently. > >But, that's not all that bad. It is somewhat central to the area. > >Most of this is mitigated by the random selections each beer meeting >time. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of The Wandering Dru >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:48 AM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! > >John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > > > >>You know they have beer in places other than Fridley, right? >> >> >> >> > >Oh, heck yeah. I was merely expressing the extraordinary lengths I >would go to for a beer meeting this week. I did, however, err in not >giving a point of reference (I live in Farmington). > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Wed Jan 7 12:57:59 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [tcphp] OFF TOPIC free webspace, dns, email.. In-Reply-To: <3FFC3AE6.6030508@visi.com> References: <3FFC3AE6.6030508@visi.com> Message-ID: <3FFC56B7.8020507@cruiskeen.com> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I think the data center is in Germany so I don't think any US law > applies. Makes one think about how this effects local companies, I'm > sure it would have some effect nationally. Free has it's draw backs > when you look at the big picture. > They say the data center is in New York. Well, they say they operate 4 data centers, but that the web servers are hosted in New York. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Jan 7 13:02:11 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3823@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Herkimer is the name of the place I believe, beer was ok..all lagers, which I'm not to fond of, but the food was fantastic. It gets my vote just for the food.... Dan Lansing >There's also a new (to me) brewpub >in the Lyn/Lake area that I'd like to try. The name eludes me, >it's on the NW corner of the intersection, then N a bit. > >-- >trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 >Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Jan 7 13:16:35 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3FFC378B.8030106@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, The Wandering Dru wrote: > It's one of those weeks. I could sure use a beer meeting Friday. > I guess it is about time for one of us to fess up, the Beer Admining Council has voted to disolve itself a couple of weeks ago, hence we will no longer be setting up beermeetings. Those of you willing to takeover the beeradmining duties please send me an email off list so that i can hand over the keys. > At this point, I think I'd drive to Fridley if necessary. We usually try to keep the BeerMeeting within the circle, as thats more twin cities like, but the new administration can make exceptions :) -- Munir Nassar Systems Administrator RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Wed Jan 7 13:15:43 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3629@owa.compellent.com> Hmmm, we need more suggestions. My suggestions: Pickled Parrot (Eden Prairie or Apple Valley) $3 Beers including imports, $2 appetizers Grizzlies (Apple Valley) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:57 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Put the vote on the website. Sam. Ben Neigebauer wrote: >Apple Valley, Burnsville, Rosemount, Eagan, Eden Prairie for me. > >Maybe this should be a vote. List a bunch of random places that people >submit each beer meeting time. People vote on it for a few days. The >person that submitted the site makes the arrangements. > >I do know that a fair amount of people on the list attend the U of >Minnesota, so chances are places around there will be picked more >frequently. > >But, that's not all that bad. It is somewhat central to the area. > >Most of this is mitigated by the random selections each beer meeting >time. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of The Wandering Dru >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:48 AM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! > >John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > > > >>You know they have beer in places other than Fridley, right? >> >> >> >> > >Oh, heck yeah. I was merely expressing the extraordinary lengths I >would go to for a beer meeting this week. I did, however, err in not >giving a point of reference (I live in Farmington). > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Wed Jan 7 13:21:37 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting, templates, billing In-Reply-To: <3FFC463E.9010303@visi.com> References: <3FFC3A8E.9070308@igi.com> <3FFC4416.1080101@cdf123.com> <3FFC463E.9010303@visi.com> Message-ID: <200401071321.37899.bmaas@open-techsys.com> I do this as well. I keep a Gentoo Linux CD, utilities CD and *try* to keep a OO CD with me. I like the Knoppix idea. I should also throw some LiveCDs in there to give away as demos. I also carry around a USB keychain drive all my utilities on it, it doesn't work on really older computers of course but its saved me a couple times. It also has an encrypted partition with all the really sensitive data like emergency passwords and my PGP revocation keys. On Wednesday 07 January 2004 11:47 am, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > That's a very cool idea, the CD's with Linux and M$ apps on them. > > Sam. > > Chris Frederick wrote: > > Jason Jorgensen wrote: > >> I do Linux consulting on the side and I am sure alot of you do as > >> well. I was looking for something that might keep track of clients, > >> let me add notes about them, and maybe generate billing statements > >> for me based on hours worked. > >> > >> I would prefer a web interface. > >> > >> Even just a template I can use to make a bill would be good. > >> > >> Trying to get slightly more professional than my typical crayon on > >> napkin billing statement asking for payment :) > >> > >> How do you people handle it? > > > > I handle mine with OpenOffice.org, and GnuCash. GnuCash keeps track > > of my checking, so it made sense to use it for billing too. And I > > just have a OpenOffice.org template for billing that I just fill out. > > As far as integrating the two, I just don't get enough business (nor > > do I want to, I miss my free time as it is) to warrant it. If I want > > to print an invoice, keep track of hours, or do something fancy on > > site, I ssh -X to my server at home. I keep mini cds of Damn Small > > Linux, Trinux, some dos/win32 tools (putty.exe), and a Knoppix cd in > > my glove box just in case... > > > > Thats just my setup... > > > > Chris Frederick > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chris.smith at apigroupinc.com Wed Jan 7 13:25:54 2004 From: chris.smith at apigroupinc.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3629@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: There is now a Pickled Parrot in Uptown also. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ben Neigebauer Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:16 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Hmmm, we need more suggestions. My suggestions: Pickled Parrot (Eden Prairie or Apple Valley) $3 Beers including imports, $2 appetizers Grizzlies (Apple Valley) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:57 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Put the vote on the website. Sam. Ben Neigebauer wrote: >Apple Valley, Burnsville, Rosemount, Eagan, Eden Prairie for me. > >Maybe this should be a vote. List a bunch of random places that people >submit each beer meeting time. People vote on it for a few days. The >person that submitted the site makes the arrangements. > >I do know that a fair amount of people on the list attend the U of >Minnesota, so chances are places around there will be picked more >frequently. > >But, that's not all that bad. It is somewhat central to the area. > >Most of this is mitigated by the random selections each beer meeting >time. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of The Wandering Dru >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:48 AM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! > >John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > > > >>You know they have beer in places other than Fridley, right? >> >> >> >> > >Oh, heck yeah. I was merely expressing the extraordinary lengths I >would go to for a beer meeting this week. I did, however, err in not >giving a point of reference (I live in Farmington). > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Wed Jan 7 13:22:56 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3629@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <001301c3d553$aab7a5f0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > My suggestions: > > Pickled Parrot (Eden Prairie or Apple Valley) $3 Beers > including imports, $2 appetizers Grizzlies (Apple Valley) I can't make it, but I thought I'd mention that I absolutely hate the pickled parrot, and they've now invaded my neighborhood! (Uptown) I do like that they abandoned their spot in downtown, which is now Drink, which has $3 martinis on Friday nights. Mmm, martinis... Anyway, pickled parrot is a stupid, obnoxious eyesore of a place, a soulless chain, and an insult to anything in the actual Carribean. (nothing personal Ben) Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Jan 7 13:29:09 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I don't know how well this would work out, but I figure it's worth considering... What about getting a sign-up sheet, and rotate who is organizing the next beermeeting or two. That way anyone who's interested can take part, and people are less likely to get burned out from having to do it all the time. I would be willing to take over organizing a beermeeting, or a month's worth of beermeetings (which would be at max 3 if we keep doing them every other week) but I wouldn't be interested in a permanent position. On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Munir Nassar wrote: > Those of you willing to takeover the beeradmining duties please send me an > email off list so that i can hand over the keys. ------------- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Jan 7 13:29:56 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3629@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3629@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <3FFC5E34.4050201@druswanderings.net> Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Hmmm, we need more suggestions. > I know I had fun the last time we were at the Glockenspiel in St Paul. Although, seeing how it's not October, I doubt there will be the wild fun of live entertainment. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Jan 7 13:29:52 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: References: <3FFC378B.8030106@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20040107192952.GH1579@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Jan 7 15:33:37 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Message-ID: I like the idea, if it can be made to work... >>> kremer@ringworld.org 01/07/04 01:29PM >>> Well, I don't know how well this would work out, but I figure it's worth considering... What about getting a sign-up sheet, and rotate who is organizing the next beermeeting or two. That way anyone who's interested can take part, and people are less likely to get burned out from having to do it all the time. I would be willing to take over organizing a beermeeting, or a month's worth of beermeetings (which would be at max 3 if we keep doing them every other week) but I wouldn't be interested in a permanent position. On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Munir Nassar wrote: > Those of you willing to takeover the beeradmining duties please send me an > email off list so that i can hand over the keys. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jan 7 15:38:12 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3FFC5E34.4050201@druswanderings.net> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3629@owa.compellent.com> <3FFC5E34.4050201@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <1985.156.99.116.45.1073511492.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> OK, poll's up with the suggested venues. Don't like the options? Suggest something. -Brian http://www.mn-linux.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 7 16:15:42 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <001301c3d553$aab7a5f0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <001301c3d553$aab7a5f0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <3FFC850E.6070303@visi.com> You never started your rant so it [error: underflow] :) Sam. Matt Murphy wrote: >>My suggestions: >> >>Pickled Parrot (Eden Prairie or Apple Valley) $3 Beers >>including imports, $2 appetizers Grizzlies (Apple Valley) >> >> > > I can't make it, but I thought I'd mention that I absolutely >hate the pickled parrot, and they've now invaded my neighborhood! >(Uptown) I do like that they abandoned their spot in downtown, which is >now Drink, which has $3 martinis on Friday nights. Mmm, martinis... >Anyway, pickled parrot is a stupid, obnoxious eyesore of a place, a >soulless chain, and an insult to anything in the actual Carribean. >(nothing personal Ben) > > > >Matt > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 7 16:17:23 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFC8573.6040001@visi.com> I think the previous Beer Meeting Admin (s) should explain what is involved in being a Beer Meeting Admin. Sam. Justin Kremer wrote: >Well, I don't know how well this would work out, but I figure it's worth >considering... >What about getting a sign-up sheet, and rotate who is organizing the next >beermeeting or two. That way anyone who's interested can take part, and >people are less likely to get burned out from having to do it all the >time. I would be willing to take over organizing a beermeeting, or a >month's worth of beermeetings (which would be at max 3 if we keep doing >them every other week) but I wouldn't be interested in a permanent >position. > >On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Munir Nassar wrote: > > > >>Those of you willing to takeover the beeradmining duties please send me an >>email off list so that i can hand over the keys. >> >> > >------------- >Justin Kremer > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Jan 7 16:25:22 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3FFC8573.6040001@visi.com> References: <3FFC8573.6040001@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040107222522.GA26227@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 04:17:23PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I think the previous Beer Meeting Admin (s) should explain what is > involved in being a Beer Meeting Admin. Rule 1: you do not talk about Beer Club. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 7 16:22:18 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <1985.156.99.116.45.1073511492.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3629@owa.compellent.com> <3FFC5E34.4050201@druswanderings.net> <1985.156.99.116.45.1073511492.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <3FFC869A.8020706@visi.com> The Gold Nugget in Glen Lake (Minnetonka) at Excelsior Blvd. and Woodhill Rd. FROSTY Mugs of Beer, BIG Burgers, Fries, Onion Rings, and it's nice old place with real low ceilings. Watch your head going "down stairs" to the restrooms! ** Not much smoking ** Sam. Brian wrote: >OK, poll's up with the suggested venues. Don't like the options? Suggest >something. > >-Brian > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jan 7 16:34:13 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <20040107222522.GA26227@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3FFC8573.6040001@visi.com> <20040107222522.GA26227@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <2340.156.99.116.45.1073514853.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> >> I think the previous Beer Meeting Admin (s) should explain what is >> involved in being a Beer Meeting Admin. being a linux group, I think it's appropriate to refer to "Beer meeting Admin" as "root@beer" -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Jan 7 17:09:58 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <20040107183649.GA21637@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3627@owa.compellent.com> <20040107183649.GA21637@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20040107230958.GE20262@fireopal.org> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 12:36:49PM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > There's also a new (to me) brewpub in the Lyn/Lake area that I'd > like to try. The name eludes me, it's on the NW corner of the > intersection, then N a bit. IIRC, the name is Herkimer. I wonder if it was named after the less-than-competent villain in _First Lensman_? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Jan 7 17:46:37 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3FFC8573.6040001@visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I think the previous Beer Meeting Admin (s) should explain what is > involved in being a Beer Meeting Admin. 1. find new and exciting locations to have beermeetings a) repeats are ok as long as nobody complains :) b) your favorite bar/restaurant is ok provided a is followed c) within the circle is the generally accepted limit, after all we are TClug and not northern/southern/western/eastrn suburbs lug d) alternating Minneapolis/St.Paul locations is usually recommended 2. update the webpage (beer.tclug.org / www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting) groking html is required for this login information will be provided to those who show a strong willingness 3. send an email to the tclug-announce list, those who show a strong willingness and continued interest will get posting privildges for your effort you will be awarded $0/beermeeting from the TCLUG treasure and the undieing compla^Wgratitude of the tcluggers. it is not a hard job but it takes time and dedication, more than one person can do the job as long as they coordinate. as for the idea of a rotating schedule of beeradmins/admin-as-you-have-time, it is a feasable idea but there still needs to be one person responsible to make it actually gets implemented. looking on the webpage, it looks like my place is tied for first place! i did not know i was this popular! i suppose we _could_ have it at my place as long as the $0/beermeeting award goes to me :) and that you guys bring me a large variety of good beer, clean up afterwards and bring food. for those of you who have something against sitting on the floor you will need to bring chairs as i only have a couch and two stools :) the above was meant as a joke, if any of you so much as get withing spitting distance i am releasing my guard cats. so be warned! -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 7 18:22:06 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <2340.156.99.116.45.1073514853.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <3FFC8573.6040001@visi.com> <20040107222522.GA26227@mail.el-swifto.com> <2340.156.99.116.45.1073514853.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <3FFCA2AE.4010508@visi.com> AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! That was really..... It was funny, I did laugh a little. Sam. Brian wrote: >>>I think the previous Beer Meeting Admin (s) should explain what is >>>involved in being a Beer Meeting Admin. >>> >>> > >being a linux group, I think it's appropriate to refer to "Beer meeting >Admin" as "root@beer" > >-Brian > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Wed Jan 7 19:45:28 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to find bstille for debian... package server dead Message-ID: Debian's package server is still down because of the break-in. Anyone know where I can find the bastille package for Debian? Tom Wurdock _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jan 7 20:45:16 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <2340.156.99.116.45.1073514853.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Brian wrote: > being a linux group, I think it's appropriate to refer to "Beer meeting > Admin" as "root@beer" No such luck. I'm not handing *those* keys to just anyone. It probably comes as no surprise to those who know me, but I'm root@evil, too. ("Evil" used to be an NT4 PDC. Makes sense, when you think about it, huh?) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Jan 7 20:47:55 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to find bstille for debian... package server dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, PHPTOm wrote: > Debian's package server is still down because of the break-in. still down? check your sources.list, i just updated several boxes today without a problem. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jan 7 20:52:23 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to find bstille for debian... package server dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040107205223.A9563@baker.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 07:45:28PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: > Debian's package server is still down because of the break-in. > > Anyone know where I can find the bastille package for Debian? Don't you use apt-get ? If you have apt-get setup then "apt-get install bastille" should work. Or "apt-cache show" bastille if you just want info on bastille. If you don't use apt-get then you can get it from a Debian mirror - for example look in ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bastille/ and pick which ever version is appropriate to your needs. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Thu Jan 8 00:01:23 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3823@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3823@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200401072201.24606.jack@jacku.com> On Wednesday 07 January 2004 11:02 am, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Herkimer is the name of the place I believe, beer was ok..all lagers, which If nothing else its the name of a small town in extreme upstate New York. I friend of mine from High School (I grew up in NY) moved up there to go to college. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 7 22:10:24 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFCD830.6040002@visi.com> no the NT 4 PDC was the "root of all evil" Sam. Jima wrote: >On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Brian wrote: > > >>being a linux group, I think it's appropriate to refer to "Beer meeting >>Admin" as "root@beer" >> >> > > No such luck. I'm not handing *those* keys to just anyone. > It probably comes as no surprise to those who know me, but I'm root@evil, >too. ("Evil" used to be an NT4 PDC. Makes sense, when you think about >it, huh?) > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at techspresso.com Wed Jan 7 22:31:33 2004 From: mike at techspresso.com (Mike Gelhar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: [tcphp] free webspace, dns, email..] In-Reply-To: <3FFC1052.5020102@visi.com> Message-ID: I setup an account with 1and1 a couple months ago. Although I haven't played with very much, I also have seen no catch to the free space and tools. They do seem to push a few "upgrades" that can be purchased for additional tools and functionality. Still worth it though! -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:58 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: [tcphp] free webspace, dns, email..] I've been looking this over for obvious reasons, has anyone had experience with this company? They like Linux so thats a start. :-) Sam. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [tcphp] free webspace, dns, email.. Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 04:36:58 -0500 From: Michael To: lvlug , kclug@kclug.org, nolug@joeykelly.net, dev@lists.nyphp.org, talk@tcphp.org I don't know if this has been on this list yet but it was on another of my LUG lists and I tried it and am finding it to be a great deal. http://1and1.com is offering 3 years of free hosting including web, email, and dns with lots of features and they don't even ask for a credit card or anything. I've been messing with it for about a week and have found no catches and it is really very good. You can ssh in to work with files, you can have multiple domains, PHP, MySQL, multiple email accounts, 500Mb of space, generous bandwidth limits. Worth looking at. The deal runs out in a couple days so figured I'd mention it now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: talk-unsubscribe@tcphp.org For additional commands, e-mail: talk-help@tcphp.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net Wed Jan 7 23:13:07 2004 From: zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net (John Ford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice Message-ID: <04ea01c3d5a6$1a7812b0$0200000a@EVE> I plan to replace Windows with Linux on several PCs in my home. I know that if I try a few different distributions, I'll get a feel for what works best for me, but it would take months/years to do this. I can handle (and enjoy) pretty in-depth techy stuff, so I wouldn't mind a distribution that needs some fiddling to get what I want. What I want to end up with is: A few PC's for wife & kids, to handle web browsing, chatting, music via Yahoo/Launch, new and old printers, cameras & scanners (I have _no_ idea if Linux drivers are a problem area). An old PC (486) to act as a firewall between Cisco 675 and the rest of our network. (Cisco connects to DSL line, intranet is 10/100 cat-5, no wireless yet) A not-quite-as-old PC (366 Mhz Pentium II) to play with as a web server. After I set it up, I want the wife & kids (not as techie as I) to be able to apply fixes and upgrades, at least to their PCs. So the most important feature of the distribution that I select will be the ability to make the fixes & upgrades EASY. Thanks for any input... -jcf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jan 7 23:20:36 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3FFCD830.6040002@visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > no the NT 4 PDC was the "root of all evil" Exactly. After I transitioned PDC duties to a Linux box running Samba, I had this decent box sitting around, doing nothing. When I tried to think of a name ("NT" didn't seem suitable anymore), "Evil" was the first thing to come to mind. And besides that, it's a cool machine name. :) Uh-oh, do I feel yet another thread about box names coming on? :D Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pcrissman at lwcc.org Wed Jan 7 18:10:19 2004 From: pcrissman at lwcc.org (Phil Crissman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice In-Reply-To: <04ea01c3d5a6$1a7812b0$0200000a@EVE> References: <04ea01c3d5a6$1a7812b0$0200000a@EVE> Message-ID: <1073520619.3977.1301.camel@localhost> Well, whether you enjoy in depth techy stuff or not, if (as it sounds) this is really going to be your first foray into Linux, I'd consider one of the friendlier distros: redhat (or fedora, I guess), mandrake, or suse. I used RH for about 6-7 months, it was good for me to start with. Another good one is possibly using Knoppix, and installing directly from the Live-CD session. That is possibly the quickest and easiest way to install linux, and you wind up with a fully configured debian distro -- apt is certainly a nice tool to have. I've been using Gentoo for a few months now, but I personally am glad for the experience I had with other distros before I tried it. If you're willing to read the installation guide, ask questions in forums, etc, you could just start with Gentoo. Well, I've already listed 4 or 5 options: considering that what you want is to /narrow down/ your choices, I should probably stop there. :-) Have fun, Phil On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 05:13, John Ford wrote: > I plan to replace Windows with Linux on several PCs in my home. I know > that if I try a few different distributions, I'll get a feel for what > works best for me, but it would take months/years to do this. > > I can handle (and enjoy) pretty in-depth techy stuff, so I wouldn't > mind a distribution that needs some fiddling to get what I want. What I > want to end up with is: > > A few PC's for wife & kids, to handle web browsing, chatting, > music via Yahoo/Launch, new and old printers, cameras & scanners > (I have _no_ idea if Linux drivers are a problem area). > > An old PC (486) to act as a firewall between Cisco 675 and > the rest of our network. (Cisco connects to DSL line, intranet > is 10/100 cat-5, no wireless yet) > > A not-quite-as-old PC (366 Mhz Pentium II) to play with as a > web server. > > After I set it up, I want the wife & kids (not as techie as I) to be > able to apply fixes and upgrades, at least to their PCs. So the most > important feature of the distribution that I select will be the ability > to make the fixes & upgrades EASY. > > Thanks for any input... > > -jcf > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jan 8 00:29:17 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFCF8BD.8050408@visi.com> My Linux desktop is Ancalagon My Linux Laptop is Angband My W2K server box is Angrenost (when I get the data off it it will be Linux) My W98 is Impala My Wifes W98 is Antelope My Son's W98 is Moose My Daughter's W98 is Deer My W98 Laptop is Hithlum (It will have to be changed to meet the standard). Hey your right about server names getting a topic. How is this for a name FNPCPGO01 or EBSCPGO01 or SQLCPGO01 or SMSCPGO01 It's a good way to name servers. Function, Domain, Location, sequence. Sam. Jima wrote: >On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > >>no the NT 4 PDC was the "root of all evil" >> >> > > Exactly. After I transitioned PDC duties to a Linux box running Samba, I >had this decent box sitting around, doing nothing. When I tried to think >of a name ("NT" didn't seem suitable anymore), "Evil" was the first thing >to come to mind. And besides that, it's a cool machine name. :) > Uh-oh, do I feel yet another thread about box names coming on? :D > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jan 8 01:23:00 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice In-Reply-To: <04ea01c3d5a6$1a7812b0$0200000a@EVE> References: <04ea01c3d5a6$1a7812b0$0200000a@EVE> Message-ID: <3FFD0554.3020305@visi.com> No you don't want them to have "root" and do patches, it's not like M$ patches. "root" is just to dangerous, I only use it if I must, and then I'm out ASAP. The standard user will never need to use "root" they will kill a machine if it's used without restraint and full knowledge of what they're doing. I've not patched my systems to much. I was going to change my kids W98 computers to RH 8. I can force my very non-technical daughter to use Linux. She uses a floppy disk between home and school (W2K) for home work. If she made a mistake on a report she would be devastated. My son would have a stroke, he wouldn't be able to run his games. My wife, forget it, she doesn't look at a computer as any thing but a tool. And it better be very close the the tools at work. I setup a laptop for her and transfered Her eMail to the machine. All the folders were closed when she opened Outlook, she kept telling me all her eMail was deleted... click, click, click.... Aint support fun. I know guys in technology that flat out refuse to have anything to do with Linux (and I thank God for that). The mainframe guys I know love Linux, "vi" is king for them. I know a guy with a HAM radio, he loves Linux. I keep hearing technical people say "what would I use it for?". They don't want to give up what they already know. I guess they look at Linux like it's "GeoWorks", remember that OS, niche market. If I knew why they should use Linux in place of M$ (not my reasons, radical freak that I am) then I may be able to convince them. I would then have to support them and I don't have the time. If my wife had someone say "read the man page." She would be very direct with them (She's a manager), nope, I wouldn't say it. If someone said "read the man page" to my mother, she would be very hurt. Get your self comfortable with Linux and UNIX in general, then let them use a laptop with Linux on it for a wile. See if it works out. Remember you will be supporting the OS, Office, Browser, and eMail. But I digress... Sam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Jan 8 07:22:53 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <20040107230958.GE20262@fireopal.org> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3627@owa.compellent.com> <20040107183649.GA21637@mail.el-swifto.com> <20040107230958.GE20262@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20040108132253.GA14904@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 05:09:58PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > IIRC, the name is Herkimer. > > I wonder if it was named after the less-than-competent villain in > _First Lensman_? > Great, I can hit those zwilniks up for some thionite. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Jan 8 07:34:39 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to find bstille for debian... package server dead In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > still down? check your sources.list, > i just updated several boxes today without a problem. Whoops, I meant the site: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages2.pl?keywords=bastille&sea rchon=names&version=all&release=all I am new to Debian. I am still recovering from the installation. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Thu Jan 8 07:34:39 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] education distro Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B594@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Awhile back someone brought up Linux in education. Here is an education distro I stumbled accross, for anyone still interested. http://www.ofset.org/freeduc-cd/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Thu Jan 8 08:18:38 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting, templates, billing [Now USB KeyDrives] In-Reply-To: <200401071321.37899.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <3FFC3A8E.9070308@igi.com> <3FFC4416.1080101@cdf123.com> <3FFC463E.9010303@visi.com> <200401071321.37899.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <3FFD66BE.7050009@igi.com> USB key flash drives. Is there a nice way to have an encrypted section that works easily from windows and linux? Perhaps an encrypted file that has a very small windows binary and very small linux static binary for access? Ohh I suppose OSX compatibility would be nice too, but I dont have that kind of money. :) Ben Maas wrote: >I also carry around a USB keychain drive all my utilities on it, it doesn't >work on really older computers of course but its saved me a couple times. It >also has an encrypted partition with all the really sensitive data like >emergency passwords and my PGP revocation keys. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Thu Jan 8 08:31:46 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice In-Reply-To: <04ea01c3d5a6$1a7812b0$0200000a@EVE> References: <04ea01c3d5a6$1a7812b0$0200000a@EVE> Message-ID: <3FFD69D2.50208@igi.com> Its not free, but I always recommend Xandros Deluxe. Its easy to install and upgrade. Its based on Debian. Its fully compatible with the base Debian repositories. It comes with Crossover Office and Plugin installed so you can install Microsoft Office if absolutely neccesary. Or other odd programs that you might need for work or school. For me this is currently Filemaker 4 :( Xandros is the only distro my dad can half way use without me constantly helping him. Then when your ready for a free distro that requires some tinkering and learning, I always recommend pure Debian. (Not trying to start a distro war here, its just that 'apt-get install mythtv-frontend' is way way too easy! :] ) John Ford wrote: >I plan to replace Windows with Linux on several PCs in my home. I know >that if I try a few different distributions, I'll get a feel for what >works best for me, but it would take months/years to do this. > >I can handle (and enjoy) pretty in-depth techy stuff, so I wouldn't >mind a distribution that needs some fiddling to get what I want. What I >want to end up with is: > > A few PC's for wife & kids, to handle web browsing, chatting, > music via Yahoo/Launch, new and old printers, cameras & scanners > (I have _no_ idea if Linux drivers are a problem area). > > An old PC (486) to act as a firewall between Cisco 675 and > the rest of our network. (Cisco connects to DSL line, intranet > is 10/100 cat-5, no wireless yet) > > A not-quite-as-old PC (366 Mhz Pentium II) to play with as a > web server. > >After I set it up, I want the wife & kids (not as techie as I) to be >able to apply fixes and upgrades, at least to their PCs. So the most >important feature of the distribution that I select will be the ability >to make the fixes & upgrades EASY. > >Thanks for any input... > >-jcf > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Jan 8 08:39:10 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice References: <04ea01c3d5a6$1a7812b0$0200000a@EVE> Message-ID: <005201c3d5f5$2deac410$0201a8c0@brinstar> John Ford writes: > So the most important feature of the distribution that I > select will be the ability to make the fixes & upgrades EASY. # apt-get update # apt-get upgrade It doesn't get any easier than that. Debian takes some fiddling to get setup, but once you set it up, you never have to reinstall. http://www.debian.org/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Thu Jan 8 08:47:44 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to find bstille for debian... package server de ad Message-ID: That site gives information like dependencies and info about packages that should be available through the apt tools. 'apt-cache search bstille' will show you the package you are looking for. And there are some other commands that will show you the dependencies. I just use aptitude as an ncurses apt front end to both search for packages and show dependencies. 'apt-cache search' will search the descriptions and aptitude's '/' search will only search the titles of packages. Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: PHPTOm [mailto:phptom@wordesign.net] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:35 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Where to find bstille for debian... package server dead > still down? check your sources.list, > i just updated several boxes today without a problem. Whoops, I meant the site: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages2.pl?keywords=bastille&sea rchon=names&version=all&release=all I am new to Debian. I am still recovering from the installation. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Thu Jan 8 09:02:54 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice Message-ID: Sam gave good advice about not giving the family members root access. Remember with Linux you can ssh to every box to upgrade everything from one terminal or create a batch script to run. SSH is your friend with this and it allows for commands to be passed to each machine. That means with Debian based apt commands you can update every computer with 2 line per computer. ssh -l root computer1 apt-get update ssh -l root computer1 apt-get upgrade ssh -l root computer2 apt-get update ssh -l root computer2 apt-get upgrade I'm sure you could create an easy script for this but be careful with where you store your password. Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: Samuel MacDonald [mailto:smac@visi.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:23 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Distro Advice No you don't want them to have "root" and do patches, it's not like M$ patches. "root" is just to dangerous, I only use it if I must, and then I'm out ASAP. The standard user will never need to use "root" they will kill a machine if it's used without restraint and full knowledge of what they're doing. I've not patched my systems to much. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jan 8 09:13:30 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3FFCF8BD.8050408@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > How is this for a name FNPCPGO01 or EBSCPGO01 or SQLCPGO01 or SMSCPGO01 > It's a good way to name servers. Function, Domain, Location, sequence. they sound like they came right out of the MCSE guide book, every windows shop i've worked at uses the exact same scheme. -- Munir Nassar Systems Administrator RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Thu Jan 8 09:21:15 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B597@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:14 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! > > > On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > > How is this for a name FNPCPGO01 or EBSCPGO01 or SQLCPGO01 > or SMSCPGO01 > > It's a good way to name servers. Function, Domain, > Location, sequence. > > they sound like they came right out of the MCSE guide book, > every windows > shop i've worked at uses the exact same scheme. > Beats the hell out of a bunch of servers named after characters in Whinnie the Pooh or something. At least there is a rhyme or reason to it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Jan 8 09:55:47 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] host naming conventions (again) was GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Message-ID: That's what you think. Get him, Eeyore! >>> rware@interplastic.com 01/08/04 09:21AM >>> > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > How is this for a name FNPCPGO01 or EBSCPGO01 or SQLCPGO01 > or SMSCPGO01 > > It's a good way to name servers. Function, Domain, > Location, sequence. > they sound like they came right out of the MCSE guide book, > every windows > shop i've worked at uses the exact same scheme. Beats the hell out of a bunch of servers named after characters in Whinnie the Pooh or something. At least there is a rhyme or reason to it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jan 8 09:48:53 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B597@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 rware@interplastic.com wrote: > Beats the hell out of a bunch of servers named after characters in Whinnie > the Pooh or something. At least there is a rhyme or reason to it. yeah but its so... boring -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Jan 8 10:10:29 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Better yet, create a cron job on each machine to update and download the .deb files, then you just have to log in and upgrade/dist-upgrade with a minimal amount of waiting. And if you have squid running on your firewall, it should cache your http/ftp downloads so if you stagger the crontabs on your boxes your traffic will be mostly network rather than Internet. Of course, you could also set up a local apt mirror, too. on my computer at work, i have this in root's crontab and it works pretty slick: 30 16 * * * apt-get clean 37 16 * * * apt-get update 39 16 * * * apt-get -yd dist-upgrade In case you didn't already notice, I would also recommend going the debian route. It's a little more of a hassle to set up than Fedora, but once it's installed, it's a great distro to deal with. (for my own use, I like the debian installer, better, too, but it is less newbie friendly.) On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Jeffery Rasmussen wrote: > That means with Debian > based apt commands you can update every computer with 2 line per computer. > > ssh -l root computer1 apt-get update > ssh -l root computer1 apt-get upgrade > ssh -l root computer2 apt-get update > ssh -l root computer2 apt-get upgrade > > I'm sure you could create an easy script for this but be careful with where > you store your password. ------------- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tnyberg at pressenter.com Thu Jan 8 10:07:43 2004 From: tnyberg at pressenter.com (Tim Nyberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting? Did someone say Beer? Message-ID: I am interested in ?joining? your troop of Linux enthusiasts. I have been watching for a meeting and don?t seem to have been in the right timing mode to catch a meeting. So, in short, I would be for a ?beer meeting? Tuesday evenings seem to be my only free night currently...if that matters. (-: Tim ? Linux newbie "It's not the destination, it's the journey" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Thu Jan 8 10:16:35 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040108161635.GA5466@refried.org> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 10:10:29AM -0600, Justin Kremer wrote: > on my computer at work, i have this in root's crontab and it works pretty > slick: > 30 16 * * * apt-get clean > 37 16 * * * apt-get update > 39 16 * * * apt-get -yd dist-upgrade Why use separate cron jobs for these three steps? What if update takes longer than 2 minutes to run? I'd recommend combining the steps into one cron job: 30 16 * * * apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get -yd dist-upgrade Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Jan 8 10:22:04 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice References: Message-ID: <002201c3d603$8dcfd600$0201a8c0@brinstar> Justin Kremer writes: > 30 16 * * * apt-get clean > 37 16 * * * apt-get update > 39 16 * * * apt-get -yd dist-upgrade You should run them like this, in case one of them fails: 30 16 * * * apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get -yd dist-upgrade -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Jan 8 10:33:18 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice In-Reply-To: <1073520619.3977.1301.camel@localhost> Message-ID: I'll throw a me-too in for Knoppix installed to the HD for it's quick/easy sake. I haven't dug into Debian at all before though, so I honestly don't know what the differences are under the hood. If you want a 'real' installation, AND you want to learn a bit about it all, I'd definitely say go for Gentoo. It won't be point & click, but the documentation is great, and the people in the forums are very willing to help when and where they can. I had some experience prior to diving into Gentoo, but not too much, and I had only used Madrake/Redhat, so all the 'under the hood' stuff was still relatively unknown to me, so I don't think you'd have that much tougher a time. Just make sure you grab all the hardware config information you can to make any troubleshooting easier, should a device not work. Thankfully, this is a rarer and rarer occurance with more recent distros. Best of luck! > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Phil Crissman > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:10 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Distro Advice > > > Well, whether you enjoy in depth techy stuff or not, if (as > it sounds) this is really going to be your first foray into > Linux, I'd consider one of the friendlier distros: redhat (or > fedora, I guess), mandrake, or suse. I used RH for about 6-7 > months, it was good for me to start with. > > Another good one is possibly using Knoppix, and installing > directly from the Live-CD session. That is possibly the > quickest and easiest way to install linux, and you wind up > with a fully configured debian distro -- apt is certainly a > nice tool to have. > > I've been using Gentoo for a few months now, but I personally > am glad for the experience I had with other distros before I > tried it. If you're willing to read the installation guide, > ask questions in forums, etc, you could just start with Gentoo. > > Well, I've already listed 4 or 5 options: considering that > what you want is to /narrow down/ your choices, I should > probably stop there. :-) > > Have fun, > > Phil > > On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 05:13, John Ford wrote: > > I plan to replace Windows with Linux on several PCs in my > home. I know > > that if I try a few different distributions, I'll get a > feel for what > > works best for me, but it would take months/years to do this. > > > > I can handle (and enjoy) pretty in-depth techy stuff, so I wouldn't > > mind a distribution that needs some fiddling to get what I > want. What > > I want to end up with is: > > > > A few PC's for wife & kids, to handle web browsing, chatting, > > music via Yahoo/Launch, new and old printers, cameras & scanners > > (I have _no_ idea if Linux drivers are a problem area). > > > > An old PC (486) to act as a firewall between Cisco 675 and > > the rest of our network. (Cisco connects to DSL line, intranet > > is 10/100 cat-5, no wireless yet) > > > > A not-quite-as-old PC (366 Mhz Pentium II) to play with as a > > web server. > > > > After I set it up, I want the wife & kids (not as techie as > I) to be > > able to apply fixes and upgrades, at least to their PCs. So > the most > > important feature of the distribution that I select will be the > > ability to make the fixes & upgrades EASY. > > > > Thanks for any input... > > > > -jcf > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Jan 8 10:44:46 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice In-Reply-To: <002201c3d603$8dcfd600$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: Sound advice. Thanks Nate and David. That would probably be why it wasn't always working properly. On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, David Phillips wrote: > You should run them like this, in case one of them fails: > > 30 16 * * * apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get -yd dist-upgrade ------------- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jan 8 10:47:35 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anybody going to the St. Cloud install fest? Message-ID: <20040108164735.GJ1579@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Thu Jan 8 10:51:04 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B59A@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Kremer [mailto:kremer@ringworld.org] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:45 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Distro Advice > > > Sound advice. Thanks Nate and David. That would probably be why it > wasn't always working properly. > > On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, David Phillips wrote: > > > You should run them like this, in case one of them fails: > > > > 30 16 * * * apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get -yd > dist-upgrade > And let the record show that for the first time in history two *nix users agreed on the same way to do something;) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ender at outlanders.us Thu Jan 8 10:57:43 2004 From: ender at outlanders.us (Thain Spar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anybody going to the St. Cloud install fest? In-Reply-To: <20040108164735.GJ1579@iucha.net> Message-ID: <000601c3d608$8f34a3e0$67c809c0@MobileApol> There is one? Where and when? Thain -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:48 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] anybody going to the St. Cloud install fest? See $subject florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jan 8 11:34:24 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anybody going to the St. Cloud install fest? In-Reply-To: <000601c3d608$8f34a3e0$67c809c0@MobileApol> References: <20040108164735.GJ1579@iucha.net> <000601c3d608$8f34a3e0$67c809c0@MobileApol> Message-ID: <1616.156.99.116.45.1073583264.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > There is one? Where and when? :-) SCALUG is having an installfest in St. Cloud on Sat, Jan 24 from noon-8:00 or so. Here's the official info: http://slash.scalug.mn-linux.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/07/1549230&mode=thread -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jan 8 11:39:53 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B597@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <20040108173952.GS735@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 09:48:53AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 rware@interplastic.com wrote: > > > Beats the hell out of a bunch of servers named after characters in Whinnie > > the Pooh or something. At least there is a rhyme or reason to it. > > yeah but its so... boring No kidding, I prefer characters from Neuromancer =p -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jan 8 11:37:25 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anybody going to the St. Cloud install fest? In-Reply-To: <000601c3d608$8f34a3e0$67c809c0@MobileApol> References: <20040108164735.GJ1579@iucha.net> <000601c3d608$8f34a3e0$67c809c0@MobileApol> Message-ID: <20040108173725.GK1579@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jan 8 11:48:45 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting? Did someone say Beer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1800.156.99.116.45.1073584125.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > I am interested in ?joining? your troop of Linux enthusiasts. I have been > watching for a meeting and don?t seem to have been in the right timing > mode > to catch a meeting. So, in short, I would be for a ?beer meeting? Tuesday > evenings seem to be my only free night currently...if that matters. (-: Once a Beermeeting Admin steps forward, I'll put up a poll about meeting times again. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jan 8 12:01:42 2004 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub missing Message-ID: <3FFD9B06.7020903@tc.umn.edu> I had to re-install Win-98 and now I don't have dual-boot with RH 9. I do I get Grub working again? I've tried "Rescue" but what that does is seeemingly reconfigure the boot-loader and then goes into the update mode for RH. It then decides that no upgrades are needed and exits notifying me that no changes will be made. My only choice seems to be to re-install RH unless there's a way to re-create the mbr with grub. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jan 8 12:15:30 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting? Did someone say Beer? In-Reply-To: <1800.156.99.116.45.1073584125.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Brian wrote: > Once a Beermeeting Admin steps forward, I'll put up a poll about meeting > times again. one person stepped forward and is willing to assume the duties. I have not yet given him the OK, as other people may want the job and as a dictator i get to pick and choose :) But if nobody else pipes up by the end of today i will introduce the new admin tomorrow morning. -- Munir Nassar Systems Administrator RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jan 8 12:19:04 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice In-Reply-To: <04ea01c3d5a6$1a7812b0$0200000a@EVE> References: <04ea01c3d5a6$1a7812b0$0200000a@EVE> Message-ID: <3FFD9F18.2000304@visi.com> Wow, it was late last night when I replied, I sort of rambled, no I did ramble, must have been the beer ;-) Linux is on the verge of becoming a corporate standard in the "server" market. Many large companies have tested Linux and are satisfied that is has what it takes to be on the "server". Linux is still struggling to gain even a foot hold on the workstation in the corporate world (in the USA at least). "What the world needs now is 'Linux sweet Linux' "... The most simple distribution of Linux for the workstation, one my mother could install and run. I'm not kidding, I get calls from Arizona for help. If a Linux distribution was built (and maintained) by a diverse group (somewhere in Minnesota) that could be said to replace M$ products _without the user knowing it_. It would be worth more in business dollars then any of us can imagine. That is what a Linux distribution must do to get the average consumer and business to change. It must be a mindless installation, the average consumer watchs 28 hours of TV per week Ever have someone call a monitor a TV, I have. See the following link for more information on how we spend our TV time. http://antimatter.no-ip.org/TV%20and%20the%20%20mind%20of%20the%20public.htm Yes that diverse group would charge for the product "you get what you pay for". The American consumer needs to pay for something to feel they are able to say "I payed for it now you fix it!". Free tells the average consumer "it's really not that good so we can't sell it". Americans want to pay so they can have a vested interest. People spill hot coffee on themselves and sue because the coffee so was hot, even if they made it at home. It would need to be small with a GUI that is similar to M$, it would be able to run "any" windows application [games, word processing, spreadsheet, etc...] without doing any additional work. Upgrades and Updates would need to be very few and very far between, at least 3 years. Don't show them any error messages because they don't understand error messages. I believe the vast majority of I/T professionals can figure out what an error message says. How can we expect a consumer to understand an error message. My wife is the greatest of business of the many business people I know. I wont let here touch an error message for fear I wont be able to reproduce it. The only message that should be displayed is "Your Computer Needs to be Restarted, it Will Run Better After Restarting" and a button that is labeled "Restart" I'd call the distribution a "car" like name because the consumer would only put electricity in to it to maintain it. That is the whole thing in a nut shell. Yes, it needs to be idiot proof, have a good price, and never break. OH, games like "Deus Ex 2" the new one, (a friend bought it and it wont work) the game writers need to get out of bed with the video card and hard disk manufactures and M$. I personally wouldn't buy that game to save my life. They printed the box and had to add the specs as a sticker, you know your in trouble when they do that. The sticker says Direct X 9 required, but they only include Direct X 8 on the CD, WTF. I haven't found a CAB file viewer to look in to the CAB files 600+ MB files, to find files missed by the installer. What else, The error messages "Flesh can't execute" is this porn! Then the stupid console wont let the mouse function in it. I finally found the error talking about missing files in the console and couldn't use the mouse "Flesh can't execute" ??? I copied the error and put it in a txt file on the desktop so he could find it and print it. At least the beer was cold. Putting on the fire proof suit, standing in Lake Minnetonka (brrrrrr), holding a fire extinguisher. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Thu Jan 8 12:37:34 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B59A@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B59A@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <20040108183733.GA7249@refried.org> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 10:51:04AM -0600, rware@interplastic.com wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, David Phillips wrote: > > > You should run them like this, in case one of them fails: > > > > > > 30 16 * * * apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get -yd > > dist-upgrade > > > > Sound advice. Thanks Nate and David. That would probably be why it > > wasn't always working properly. > > And let the record show that for the first time in history two *nix users > agreed on the same way to do something;) That's just because it didn't start out as a Perl question. ;) Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Thu Jan 8 12:52:18 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B59E@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Samuel MacDonald [mailto:smac@visi.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:19 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Distro Advice > > > > It would need to be small with a GUI that is similar to M$, > it would be > able to run "any" windows application [games, word processing, > spreadsheet, etc...] without doing any additional work. Upgrades and > Updates would need to be very few and very far between, at > least 3 years. "any"? Microsoft forbids running some of it's programs on anything but Windows. > > Don't show them any error messages because they don't > understand error > messages. I believe the vast majority of I/T professionals > can figure > out what an error message says. How can we expect a consumer to > understand an error message. My wife is the greatest of > business of the > many business people I know. I wont let here touch an error > message for > fear I wont be able to reproduce it. > The only message that should be displayed is > "Your Computer Needs to be Restarted, it Will Run Better After > Restarting" and a button that is labeled > "Restart" How many times do you have an error that doesn't require a reboot? Having the user to reboot to fix anything and everything is going to make your user think it is unreliable and remind them of Windows 98. > > > I'd call the distribution a "car" like name because the > consumer would > only put electricity in to it to maintain it. That is the > whole thing > in a nut shell. > > > Yes, it needs to be idiot proof, have a good price, and never break. > There will never be an idiot proof, never breaking operating system. Not to be a wet blanket, buy I see 1x10^-64 percent chance of this ever happening. To much scratching of there own itches to focus on a common goal like this, or to even be able to agree on what goes in. I mean come on, your going to have to pick ONE window manager. Look at the flack Perens is catching from suggesting such a thing. The man is totally right by the way. Since when has the *nix community ever done anything besides bifurcate when it comes to ways to achieve something? Linux is and in my opinion will always be a system that is mix and match with a lot of DYI capablilities that works well for servers and techies. Mix and match and DYI are polar opposite to what most end users want and I don't think the Linux community cares enough about end users to ever cater to them enough. Ryan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jan 8 13:05:23 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting? Did someone say Beer? In-Reply-To: References: <1800.156.99.116.45.1073584125.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20040108190523.GL1579@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Jan 8 13:05:43 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice In-Reply-To: <3FFD9F18.2000304@visi.com> References: <04ea01c3d5a6$1a7812b0$0200000a@EVE> <3FFD9F18.2000304@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040108190543.GB22696@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 12:19:04PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > [snip] > I haven't found a CAB file viewer to look in to the CAB files 600+ MB > files, to find files missed by the installer. [snip] > apt-get -f install cabextract -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Thu Jan 8 13:30:59 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub missing Message-ID: Get to a command prompt using a rescue disk or your original RH disk. Run 'grub-install /dev/hda' (if you want grub to install on the master boot record for your primary drive). Be careful. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/ref-guide/ch-grub.ht ml http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: Rodney G. Garayt [mailto:garay002@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:02 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Grub missing I had to re-install Win-98 and now I don't have dual-boot with RH 9. I do I get Grub working again? I've tried "Rescue" but what that does is seeemingly reconfigure the boot-loader and then goes into the update mode for RH. It then decides that no upgrades are needed and exits notifying me that no changes will be made. My only choice seems to be to re-install RH unless there's a way to re-create the mbr with grub. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Andrew at azimmer.com Thu Jan 8 14:05:00 2004 From: Andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice Message-ID: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C90FC@cilantro.AZimmer.local> Take a look at SUSE. It has a gui for just about everything. You can schedule and autorun updates/patches via a gui. They have a LiveEval so you can try before you commit. With Novell purchasing them they should become a pretty major desktop competitor to Windows. Andrew. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3006 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20040108/56eaa156/attachment.bin -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Jan 8 14:18:20 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smallest distro running X? In-Reply-To: <20040102163210.A13395@joelschneider.net> References: <3235.156.99.116.45.1073057349.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <20040102163210.A13395@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: Just came accross this when I went to Mandrake's site to get some ISOs http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/mandrakemove bootable cdrom of mandrake with all user data on usb keychain. On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 16:32:10 -0600, Joel Schneider wrote: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 09:29:09AM -0600, Brian wrote: >> I'm looking for a nice small linux distro to install on my USB keychain. >> I found LMS (http://linuxmobile.sourceforge.net/) but it's in its >> infancy. >> At one time I found a neat X based distro running Blackbox that fit on >> ten floppies, but I can't seem to find that again. Any suggestions? > > Today's NewsForge has a story about something called Flonix that's > designed to run on a USB storage device: > > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/01/02/1426226 > http://linuxdocs.tuxfamily.org/flonix/wakka.php?wiki=EnPresentation > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Jan 8 14:45:02 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice In-Reply-To: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C90FC@cilantro.AZimmer.local> References: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C90FC@cilantro.AZimmer.local> Message-ID: <20040108144502.735e46ee@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:05:00 -0600 "Andrew Zimmer" wrote: > Take a look at SUSE. It has a gui for just about everything. You can schedule and autorun updates/patches via a gui. They have a LiveEval so you can try before you commit. With Novell purchasing them they should become a pretty major desktop competitor to Windows. Since this thread just keeps rolling and I haven't heard my new favorite, I think it's time for a plug. Seriously though, I've tried SuSE, Mandrake, Debian, Redhat, Slackware and even Cobalt (yech). And Slackware 9.1 wins as the most user-friendly distro IMHO. I don't understand why slackware has a reputation of being an "advanced" distro, it just works. My little gateway 5150 laptop with 4GB has gnome 2.4, crossover office/plugin (for Winders apps), sylpheed for outlookish email done right, open office, samba, cups, mozilla 1.5, mysql, apache/php, postgresql and the Oracle 9i client and it just keeps chugging away. If you decide on something else (like I did when I first started), keep Slackware on your list of distros to check out someday. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Jan 8 16:57:21 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub missing In-Reply-To: <3FFD9B06.7020903@tc.umn.edu> (garay002@tc.umn.edu) References: <3FFD9B06.7020903@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200401082257.i08MvLH30149@ecstasy.winternet.com> Rodney G. Garayt wrote: >I had to re-install Win-98 and now I don't have dual-boot with RH 9. I >do I get Grub working again? I've tried "Rescue" but what that does is >seeemingly reconfigure the boot-loader and then goes into the update >mode for RH. It then decides that no upgrades are needed and exits >notifying me that no changes will be made. >My only choice seems to be to re-install RH unless there's a way to >re-create the mbr with grub. I'd recommend saving the current MS Windows 98 MBR (first 512 bytes of the raw boot disk usually either /dev/hda or /dev/sda) to a file as soon as possible using Linux. Boot Linux from floppy or CD using the root kernel argument, root=/dev/ replacing with hd or sd where a is the Linux disk letter (usually a) and n is the partition on that disk where the Linux root filesystem is located. For example, if the root filesystem is on the first ATA disk on partition 2 use: rescue root=/dev/hda2 After the system boots up, start a shell as root and enter # df -k # mount to be sure that the proper device (i.e. /dev/hda2) is mounted as /. Now save the MS Windows 98 MBR, so it can be restored in an alternate location in case it fails to boot after grub is installed in the MBR: # dd if=/dev/hda of=/root/MBR-w98 bs=512 count=1 Now simply execute the grub install script on the boot disk: # grub-install /dev/hda Grub's master boot record should now be restored and hopefully it will dual boot Linux and Win 98 as it did before. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at techspresso.com Thu Jan 8 18:04:17 2004 From: mike at techspresso.com (Mike Gelhar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Where I work, we name all PC's after Minnesota city names, all servers are Counties, Thin Clients are Lakes and printers are named after trees. Kinda goofy, but it is nice to have "friendly" names for users to refer to. I understand the idea behind the SQLCPGO01 type convention, but it's nice to be able to pronounce your hosts as well. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Munir Nassar Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:49 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 rware@interplastic.com wrote: > Beats the hell out of a bunch of servers named after characters in Whinnie > the Pooh or something. At least there is a rhyme or reason to it. yeah but its so... boring -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rna at visi.com Thu Jan 8 14:55:50 2004 From: rna at visi.com (rna@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best distro for a mid-range laptop? Message-ID: <1073595350.3ffdc3d6a5829@my.visi.com> I got an old laptop from work, and I'm looking to use it to tinker around with Linux. Which one of the distributions is the easiest/most laptop friendly? Thanks! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Thu Jan 8 22:10:57 2004 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anybody going to the St. Cloud install fest? In-Reply-To: <20040108164735.GJ1579@iucha.net> References: <20040108164735.GJ1579@iucha.net> Message-ID: <3FFE29D1.9020705@askewview.net> I'll be there hopefully as long as I dont have too much home work. Florin Iucha wrote: >See $subject > >florin > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Jan 8 22:34:47 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best distro for a mid-range laptop? In-Reply-To: <1073595350.3ffdc3d6a5829@my.visi.com> (rna@visi.com) References: <1073595350.3ffdc3d6a5829@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <200401090434.i094Yl700998@ecstasy.winternet.com> rna wrote: >I got an old laptop from work, and I'm looking to use it to tinker around with >Linux. Which one of the distributions is the easiest/most laptop friendly? SuSE GNU/Linux has always worked very easily for me on x86 laptops. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Thu Jan 8 23:14:21 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub missing In-Reply-To: <200401082257.i08MvLH30149@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <3FFD9B06.7020903@tc.umn.edu> <200401082257.i08MvLH30149@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1073625260.23116.69.camel@bigtime> > I'd recommend saving the current MS Windows 98 MBR (first 512 bytes of > the raw boot disk usually either /dev/hda or /dev/sda) to a file as soon > as possible using Linux. Why bother backing it up? Just boot a DOS/Win floppy or CD or whatever, and 'fdisk /mbr'. Bam, its back. I wonder if that MBR code has even changed in 20 years... I think NT uses a different MBR... I've already explained my advice as to why not putting GRUB/LILO in the MBR is a good idea: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-November/061733.html ... And it appears all my posts aren't getting archived because they're signed. Does anyone else here use Evolution? What the flying f!@#? Guess I won't sign this one. Anyway, on multiboot systems I recommend putting GRUB/LILO on your Linux root partition, and setting your root partition 'active'. This will cause the windows MBR code to jump to the boot code on your root partition, and it will happily boot grub/lilo for you from there. The nice thing about this setup, is if windows decides to take over the system, all you have to set your Linux root partition active again, which can be done with windows FDISK, and you've got GRUB/LILO back. No digging for a Linux rescue disk or CD, you just need the windows that's hopefully already booted up on the system... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Thu Jan 8 23:14:03 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3627@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3627@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <1073625238.23116.67.camel@bigtime> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Jan 9 01:06:25 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best distro for a mid-range laptop? In-Reply-To: <1073595350.3ffdc3d6a5829@my.visi.com> References: <1073595350.3ffdc3d6a5829@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <3FFE52F1.5030607@visi.com> It would be nice to know what the hardware is. Who made it, what model it is. It would be nice to know the amount of RAM and Hard disk space. What processor it has etc... Sam. rna@visi.com wrote: >I got an old laptop from work, and I'm looking to use it to tinker around with >Linux. Which one of the distributions is the easiest/most laptop friendly? > >Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Fri Jan 9 04:17:57 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best distro for a mid-range laptop? In-Reply-To: <1073595350.3ffdc3d6a5829@my.visi.com> References: <1073595350.3ffdc3d6a5829@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <3FFE7FD5.4040201@lorenburlingame.com> rna@visi.com wrote: > I got an old laptop from work, and I'm looking to use it to tinker around with > Linux. Which one of the distributions is the easiest/most laptop friendly? > Mid-range by today's standard would suggest a processor speed of about 1.5Ghz? I doubt this is what you mean though. Still, even with a 300Mhz proc and around 128MB of RAM, you could probably run KDE reasonably well. As far as distro goes, I always suggest Slackware to newbies just for the learning experience. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Jan 9 13:09:55 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub missing In-Reply-To: <1073625260.23116.69.camel@bigtime> (message from Callum Lerwick on Thu, 08 Jan 2004 23:14:21 -0600) References: <3FFD9B06.7020903@tc.umn.edu> <200401082257.i08MvLH30149@ecstasy.winternet.com> <1073625260.23116.69.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: <200401091909.i09J9tl09620@ecstasy.winternet.com> >Ken Fuchs wrote: >> I'd recommend saving the current MS Windows 98 MBR (first 512 bytes of >> the raw boot disk usually either /dev/hda or /dev/sda) to a file as soon >> as possible using Linux. Callum Lerwick wrote: >Why bother backing it up? Just boot a DOS/Win floppy or CD or whatever, >and 'fdisk /mbr'. Bam, its back. I wonder if that MBR code has even >changed in 20 years... I think NT uses a different MBR... MS "fdisk /mbr" simply overwrites the Grub MBR (which is the opposite of what the original poster wants to do). Grub is just as easily installed in the MBR by booting the rescue floppy and executing "grub-install /dev/hda", considering that /dev/hda is almost always the boot disk for ATA disk based systems. Backing up the MS Windows 98 MBR from Linux allows one to restore it from Linux. That's especially nice when one can't find MS boot media. However, my purpose in backing up the MS W98 MBR was to use it later in case chain loading MS Windows 98 from the Grub MBR boot loader fails. >Anyway, on multiboot systems I recommend putting GRUB/LILO on your Linux >root partition, and setting your root partition 'active'. This will >cause the windows MBR code to jump to the boot code on your root >partition, and it will happily boot grub/lilo for you from there. Doesn't this require an MS Windows MBR or other boot loader that looks for the active partition? Not all boot loaders installed in the MBR check for (or at least act on the presence of) an active partition. Grub/lilo in a partition boot record will not be loaded as soon as another partition is made active (by accident). Do you really want MS code in your MBR? I'd rather have grub there. In my opinion, the concept of an active partition is a bad idea. It is just another variable that must be considered in the boot process that causes the side effect of (sometimes unexpectantly) loading another boot loader. However, if you do use MS Windows 98/98SE/ME a lot, including reinstalling it, don't mind having MS code in the MBR, don't do anything that accidentally changes or erases the active partition marker, Callum's idea should work with excellent results and minimum maintenence! >The nice thing about this setup, is if windows decides to take over the >system, all you have to set your Linux root partition active again, >which can be done with windows FDISK, and you've got GRUB/LILO back. No >digging for a Linux rescue disk or CD, you just need the windows that's >hopefully already booted up on the system... My X Window System which is the window system I'm almost always using, doesn't seem have a active partition marking function. :) Callum's suggestion of installing grub/lilo in the GNU/Linux root partition would be perfect for MS Windows users who are adding GNU/Linux to their system, except for a couple potential problems: 1) If the GNU/Linux distribution is (being) installed with a /boot partition, the grub/lilo loader should be installed in the boot partition rather than the root partition. This is often done to avoid the BIOS boot limitations of earlier machines; hopefully the boot partition is in range; the root partition may be not be. 2) The MS Windows 95/98 MBR loader uses the BIOS functions to boot the operating system or boot the active partition's boot loader. If either of these is beyond the BIOS disk routines' range, booting fails. Grub uses the BIOS disk routines only to boot the initial stages of itself which must be in BIOS range, but its later stages and the operating systems it boots have no range limitations since by this point, grub is using another set of disk routines that do NOT use the BIOS disk routines. Newer MS operating systems and newer PCs don't have these limitations, but for older machines with large (>8 GB) drives with some partitioning, putting grub in the MBR is the only way for the system to dual boot MS Windows and GNU/Linux. Earlier MS Windows operating systems should always be installed near the beginning of large disk to avoid BIOS booting limitations of its MBR loader. Callum's suggestion has a lot of merit, but it isn't always the right boot loader setup. Putting grub/lilo in the MBR versus a partition has many pros and cons and is a personal decision that each of us must make. In the end, it doesn't matter which booting method is used as long as we are comfortable about the way it works (and know how to fix it when it breaks). Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chris.smith at apigroupinc.com Fri Jan 9 13:20:26 2004 From: chris.smith at apigroupinc.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hylafax, smbprint, and samba 3.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Has anyone set up Hylafax and smbprint with Samba 3? I see this error in the samba logs. [root@penguin samba]# lpq -Pfax-prnt lpq: Unknown destination "fax-prnt"! "fax-prt" is the samba share as follows: [fax-prnt] comment = Network fax printer path = /tmp # lpq command = /usr/local/smbfax/smbfax show # lprm command = /usr/local/smbfax/smbfax dequeue %j print command = /usr/local/smbfax/smbfax -r queue %U %s queuepause command = /bin/true queueresume command = /bin/true postscript = true browseable = yes printable = yes writable = no create mode = 0700 printing = lprng printer admin = @isdept, csmith I've tried commenting out the lpq, and lprm commands but that doesn't help. I know some of the "print command" stuff changed in Samba3.0 but I also use the following to print Pdfs to a shared directory with ghostscript and that works perfectly...using a print command. [pdf-prnt] comment = PDF Generator path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes printer admin = @isdept guest ok = Yes public = Yes print command = gs -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -q -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=/data/p \ ublic/pdfs/%U%s.pdf /var/spool/samba/%s; rm %s One clue might be that sometime I get a lpq: Unknown destination "pdf-prnt"! Error, even though I have only printed to the fax queue.... I am really stumped here... Any ideas? TIA Christopher _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Jan 9 13:30:49 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FADA@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I am pleased to announce that a new beer admin has been selected, me! Now I'm sure I am a source of envy and fear for many of you. Please be assured that I will rule with an iron fist and subjugate all to my evil will....um...sorry wrong script :) Anyway I have little idea what I am doing, as I have seemed to be missing the beeradmin man page. On that note I am more than happy to share duties with any who are interested and am very open to suggestions for new locations, and what not... When does everyone want to have the next meeting? Dan Lansing ITSC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Jan 9 14:20:01 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FADA@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <000a01c3d6ed$f918c850$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > When does everyone want to have the next meeting? Weren't we trying for tonight? If so, sounds like I may be in after all. Get on it beer guy! Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 9 14:24:52 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] move files on NTFS in order to make healthy LINUX partition Message-ID: Any favorite utilities to squish windows files to beginning of the drive so that I can hack off a healthy chunk at the end of the drive for linux - this is on an NTFS filesystem BTW... thanks johnnyF _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Jan 9 15:14:41 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FADB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> My apologies, I seem to be off to a bad start, as I didn't find out until the last minute here, there will be no beer meeting this week. Instead we will be meeting next Friday at the Herkimer, as that seems to be the winning location in the poll. I will send out another announcement when it gets closer to meeting Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Matt Murphy Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 2:20 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] GAH!! I need a beer meeting! > When does everyone want to have the next meeting? Weren't we trying for tonight? If so, sounds like I may be in after all. Get on it beer guy! Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Jan 9 15:56:05 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub missing In-Reply-To: <200401091909.i09J9tl09620@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <3FFD9B06.7020903@tc.umn.edu> <200401082257.i08MvLH30149@ecstasy.winternet.com> <1073625260.23116.69.camel@bigtime> <200401091909.i09J9tl09620@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <1073685364.24374.158.camel@bigtime> > >Anyway, on multiboot systems I recommend putting GRUB/LILO on your Linux > >root partition, and setting your root partition 'active'. This will > >cause the windows MBR code to jump to the boot code on your root > >partition, and it will happily boot grub/lilo for you from there. > > Doesn't this require an MS Windows MBR or other boot loader that looks > for the active partition? Not all boot loaders installed in the MBR > check for (or at least act on the presence of) an active partition. Yes, I said MULTIBOOT SYSTEMS. I recommend this ONLY if you DO HAVE WINDOWS ON YOUR SYSTEM. If you don't, it WON'T WORK VERY WELL. Put grub in the MBR, or use that open source MBR that comes with debian. Haven't found a source for it outside debian, you can probably just pull the source out of the package pool... There's also this thing: http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/ > Grub/lilo in a partition boot record will not be loaded as soon as > another partition is made active (by accident). Setting active partitions is a basic functionality of ANY x86 fdisk program from ANY OS. You can trivially fix things this way from ANY OS that you happen to have handy. > Do you really want MS code in your MBR? I'd rather have grub there. If you already have the entirety of windows on your system, whats another 512 bytes of boot code? > However, if you do use MS Windows 98/98SE/ME a lot, including > reinstalling it, don't mind having MS code in the MBR, don't do anything > that accidentally changes or erases the active partition marker, > Callum's idea should work with excellent results and minimum maintenence! As I apparently didn't put across clearly enough, I did indeed intend that you only do this if you ARE dual booting with a microsoft operating system. > Callum's suggestion of installing grub/lilo in the GNU/Linux root > partition would be perfect for MS Windows users who are adding GNU/Linux > to their system, except for a couple potential problems: Yes, thats what I ment. > 1) If the GNU/Linux distribution is (being) installed with a /boot > partition, the grub/lilo loader should be installed in the boot > partition rather than the root partition. This is often done to > avoid the BIOS boot limitations of earlier machines; hopefully the > boot partition is in range; the root partition may be not be. Personally I have never ever needed a /boot partition in some time now. Any system needing one is LONG been obsolete at this point. (No offense anyone still using 486's. Keep 'em running!) And that anything made in the last 5 years or so and has a current BIOS really doesn't need one. An obsolete solution for an obsolete problem. Hell, I've pulled a few Athlon 1ghz systems out of the trash these days... Of course I'm not pulling 120gb+ drives out of the trash. People riding the leading edge of storage technology will still run into limits occasionally, but those tend to get fixed quickly. The last limit was apparently BIOS bugs at 33.8gb, and that was back in 1999. LBA32 itself, introduced in 98-99, I calculate the limit at some absurd number of terabytes... Basically, ON A MACHINE MADE IN THE LAST ~5 YEARS (I wish I could do bold), bios limitations really aren't an excuse for a seperate /boot partition. A root partition at MOST needs to be ~5gb, I usually use ~2gb, and you easily can fit that at the start of the drive, well within any current BIOS limitations. Partition the rest to /var and /home, perhaps using LVM... I'm sure someone else will reply with some other justification for /boot, but the reason it was originally in use in the first place is long been obsolete at this point. No arguments about the definition of obsolete please. > Callum's suggestion has a lot of merit, but it isn't always the right > boot loader setup. I didn't say it was. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Fri Jan 9 18:05:24 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] move files on NTFS in order to make healthy LINUX partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFF41C4.7070101@comcast.net> I use a nice little boot disk called BootIT Next Generation. Do a google search of it. I think you need a Windows PC to create the boot floppy, but after that you are home free. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Any favorite utilities to squish windows files to beginning of the drive > so that I can hack off a healthy chunk at the end of the drive for linux > - this is on an NTFS filesystem BTW... > thanks > johnnyF -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From deschiff at winternet.com Sat Jan 10 04:42:02 2004 From: deschiff at winternet.com (David Schiff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options Message-ID: <1073731321.1511.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> For what its worth the DeadRat manuals state the reason they use a /boot partition is so if you have file corruption on / you can still have pure kernel to boot and fix things. I ha a Dell Inspiron 11. It had this really nice feature of a one time boot option, you hit f12 at start up and you get a menu of boot options. I installed Fedora core w/Grubb on mbr now not only wont this feature work (which is not surprising) but Grubb kicks in before I can boot a cd or dvd no matter what the bios boot order is set to. To boot from cd I have to dissable boot from hd in bios. Is there a HOWTO to create a boot from cd munu option ror Grubb like the boot from floppy option on Mandrake's LILO setup? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jan 10 07:16:18 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options In-Reply-To: <1073731321.1511.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1073731321.1511.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040110131618.GC735@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 04:42:02AM -0600, David Schiff wrote: > For what its worth the DeadRat manuals state the reason they use a /boot > partition is so if you have file corruption on / you can still have pure > kernel to boot and fix things. Was there a point? > I ha a Dell Inspiron 11. It had this really nice feature of a one time > boot option, you hit f12 at start up and you get a menu of boot options. I find this hard to believe, unless Dell did something really stupid like making F12 boot an alternative partition that runs a boot loader to pick the boot device.. My cheapie PC Chips motherboard lets me press F8 and gives me the option to boot from any device on the system (even USB CF adapters) > I installed Fedora core w/Grubb on mbr now not only wont this feature > work (which is not surprising) but Grubb kicks in before I can boot a cd > or dvd no matter what the bios boot order is set to. To boot from cd I > have to dissable boot from hd in bios. Odd, have you tried updating your BIOS? > Is there a HOWTO to create a boot from cd munu option ror Grubb like the > boot from floppy option on Mandrake's LILO setup? Doubtful. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Sat Jan 10 10:49:37 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] move files on NTFS in order to make healthy LINUX partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85138562502.20040110104937@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Saturday, January 10, 2004 @ 10:49:04 AM Central Standard Time I have accomplished this with "Partition Magic" in the past. Adios Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com ********************************************************* Friday, January 9, 2004, 2:24:52 PM, you wrote: JF> Any favorite utilities to squish windows files to beginning of the drive JF> so that I can hack off a healthy chunk at the end of the drive for linux - JF> this is on an NTFS filesystem BTW... JF> thanks JF> johnnyF JF> _______________________________________________ JF> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota JF> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org JF> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Jan 10 11:51:50 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options In-Reply-To: <1073731321.1511.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1073731321.1511.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <40003BB6.3090808@visi.com> Is the F12 the option that puts you into the machines setup? Many manufacturers use this Compaq, Dell, Micron, and others. It's a partition from 10 - 30 megabytes that contains programs for configuration, hardware testing, remote administration, etc... Most machines can live without this but it's a good thing to have if you have a hardware problem. This is not exclusive to laptops. Compaq has long used it in Servers and Desktops. I remember this happening to someone else but it was a long time ago. The person let Red Hat do the automatic partitioning, it erased the setup partition. The only way "I" know how to fix it is to rebuild the whole thing. Some smarter LUGer may have a way to work around it. You will need to setup and diagnostics disks from the manufacturer. When you setup Red Hat you will need to manually partition the drive to be sure the setup partition remains on the disk. This should be a topic at an Install Fest. I can do a setup partition clinic on a Compaq if anyone is interested. Sam. David Schiff wrote: >For what its worth the DeadRat manuals state the reason they use a /boot >partition is so if you have file corruption on / you can still have pure >kernel to boot and fix things. > >I ha a Dell Inspiron 11. It had this really nice feature of a one time >boot option, you hit f12 at start up and you get a menu of boot options. >I installed Fedora core w/Grubb on mbr now not only wont this feature >work (which is not surprising) but Grubb kicks in before I can boot a cd >or dvd no matter what the bios boot order is set to. To boot from cd I >have to dissable boot from hd in bios. >Is there a HOWTO to create a boot from cd munu option ror Grubb like the >boot from floppy option on Mandrake's LILO setup? > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Sat Jan 10 12:26:00 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options In-Reply-To: <40003BB6.3090808@visi.com> References: <1073731321.1511.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <40003BB6.3090808@visi.com> Message-ID: I did that to my compaq machine. To restore it I used parted to move partitions around and create some space at the front of the drive, then downloaded the disk images from compaq and re-installed them. On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > [ ... ] > I remember this happening to someone else but it was a long time ago. > The person let Red Hat do the automatic partitioning, it erased the > setup partition. The only way "I" know how to fix it is to rebuild the > whole thing. Some smarter LUGer may have a way to work around it. > [ ... ] > strayf@freeshell.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Jan 10 13:20:12 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Resize a partition Message-ID: Is is possible and not terribly dangerous to resize a partition? I have a drive that is one partition, about 6% used. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Sat Jan 10 15:26:54 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Resize a partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073770013.4226.26.camel@lotsa> Use "parted". On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 13:20, PHPTOm wrote: > Is is possible and not terribly dangerous to resize a partition? I have a > drive that is one partition, about 6% used. > > TOm > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Jan 10 15:32:50 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Resize a partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, PHPTOm wrote: > Is is possible and not terribly dangerous to resize a partition? I have a > drive that is one partition, about 6% used. it all depends on the underlying filesystem but most can be, look for qtparted -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Jan 10 16:11:47 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Resize a partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <400078A3.8030903@visi.com> Partition Magic is a great tool I've used it for re-sizing but not for fixing a lost setup partition. Remember to keep a minimum of 10% free disk space on each partition. You loose some performance in file writes, it isn't a small loss of performance either. Read suffers a little but the file write becomes a pain. Linux uses a partition for swap space a fixed place for memory paging. Linux checks for lost links and such upon startup. I think "fschk" is the program Windows uses a file for swap/page so on a windows machine it's really important that "at least" 10% of disk is free. On a Windows machine you should run scandisk once per week and defrag once per month. PHPTOm wrote: >Is is possible and not terribly dangerous to resize a partition? I have a >drive that is one partition, about 6% used. > >TOm > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From deschiff at winternet.com Sat Jan 10 17:11:18 2004 From: deschiff at winternet.com (David Schiff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073776278.2449.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 04:42:02AM -0600, David Schiff wrote: > > For what its worth the DeadRat manuals state the reason they use a /boot > > partition is so if you have file corruption on / you can still have pure > > kernel to boot and fix things. > > Was there a point? Sorry I shouldn't mix threads that was a reference to when Callum Lerwick on Fri. said "I'm sure someone else will reply with some other justification for /boot,..." > > I ha a Dell Inspiron 11. It had this really nice feature of a one time > > boot option, you hit f12 at start up and you get a menu of boot options. > > I find this hard to believe, unless Dell did something really stupid like > making F12 boot an alternative partition that runs a boot loader to pick > the boot device.. My cheapie PC Chips motherboard lets me press F8 and > gives me the option to boot from any device on the system (even USB CF > adapters) I believe it's a part of the bios and possibly Dells spacial 34 MB utility partition. > > I installed Fedora core w/Grubb on mbr now not only wont this feature > > work (which is not surprising) but Grubb kicks in before I can boot a cd > > or dvd no matter what the bios boot order is set to. To boot from cd I > > have to dissable boot from hd in bios. > > Odd, have you tried updating your BIOS? It's a new toy w/latest version. > > Is there a HOWTO to create a boot from cd munu option ror Grubb like the > > boot from floppy option on Mandrake's LILO setup? > > Doubtful ------- On Sat, 10 Jan Samuel MacDonald wrote; Is the F12 the option that puts you into the machines setup? Many manufacturers use this Compaq, Dell, Micron, and others. It's a partition from 10 - 30 megabytes that contains programs for configuration, hardware testing, remote administration, etc... Most machines can live without this but it's a good thing to have if you have a hardware problem. This is not exclusive to laptops. Compaq has long used it in Servers and Desktops. ** It's not the whole setup just a menu of one time boot options. ** I remember this happening to someone else but it was a long time ago. The person let Red Hat do the automatic partitioning, it erased the setup partition. The only way "I" know how to fix it is to rebuild the whole thing. Some smarter LUGer may have a way to work around it. You will need to setup and diagnostics disks from the manufacturer. When you setup Red Hat you will need to manually partition the drive to be sure the setup partition remains on the disk. This should be a topic at an Install Fest. I can do a setup partition clinic on a Compaq if anyone is interested. Sam. ** Thanks, but I just did all that stuff last weekend, at first I tried to install Mandrake 9.2 but DiskDrake would not resize the ntfs partition to less than 33%. I have a 60 GB disk but I only planed to use 10 GB for XP and I like Vfat better so I wiped the whole thing and reinstalled XP and all the Dell util's and drivers and included software on a 10 GB Vfat partition. That made me appreciate the ease of modern Linux installs! I think I'll just disable hd in bios if i want to boot from cd or else bone up on user linux so I can run Linux on Linux.****** _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sun Jan 11 00:32:49 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compiled apache2 missing apachectl Message-ID: I compiled apache2 successfully, but I can find no apachectl anywhere. Anyone know what is up? Compiled without errors, httpd runs fine. Tom Wurdock 612 728 7854 twurdock@wordesign.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sun Jan 11 00:44:15 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Resize a partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401110644.i0B6iFJ04156@ecstasy.winternet.com> TOm wrote: >Is is possible and not terribly dangerous to resize a partition? I have a >drive that is one partition, about 6% used. It is very dangerous to reduce the size of a partition without first reducing the size of the filesystem on it by at least as much. :) Parted and qtparted were previously mentioned as solving this problem which they do for ext2, ext3, fat16, fat32, linux-swap and reiserfs according to the features section of http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/. Parted of course resizes the partition and filesystem by the same amount as single user function. Current versions of parted are probably quite reliable. Other filesystems sometimes have resizing programs in their respective tool packages, but some of these only increase the size. For these tools, obviously one needs to reduce the filesystem (if supported) before reducing the partition size. Conversely, to increase the size of a filesystem, the corresponding partition must be increased first. It is also important to know that parted supports MS-DOS, Intel GPT, MIPS, PC98, Sun, BSD, and Mac partition tables/labels plus raw access. If your disk partitions/labels are something else, parted will not be easy to use since raw access would be the only (error prone) option. I would guess that parted would be more safe to use on MS-DOS, PC98 and BSD partitions/labels than the other lesser used partition table/label/map types. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Sun Jan 11 01:53:18 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Resize a partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073807597.25025.75.camel@bigtime> On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 13:20, PHPTOm wrote: > Is is possible and not terribly dangerous to resize a partition? I have a > drive that is one partition, about 6% used. parted has always worked for me in resizing ext2/ext3 and FAT partitions. I haven't heard any parted horror stories so I guess its reliable. :) Only annoying thing is parted lacks some functionality that would be dead simple to implement. I'd really like to be able to just MOVE a partition to a new position on the drive. This is just a block for block copy and wouldn't require knowing anything about the filesystem used. Also, last I checked it couldn't move the starting position of an ext2/3 partition for some reason. This could easily be accomplished with the move code that doesn't exist yet. 'slide' the partition to its new starting position, then resize it. Or the other way around as appropriate. If you want to get really slick, Resierfs supports online resizing, and there's online resizing patches for ext2/3. And fun stuff like LVM... If you want to resize NTFS, you're pretty much stuck with Partition Magic. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Sun Jan 11 11:37:28 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Resize a partition In-Reply-To: <1073807597.25025.75.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Callum Lerwick wrote: > If you want to resize NTFS, you're pretty much stuck with Partition > Magic. Not quite. Partition Magic is $69.95, Paragon's Partition Manager [1] is $39.95. Partition Manager resizes NTFS just fine. Just throwing it out there; I hear some people like saving $30. :) Jima 1. http://www.partition-manager.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Sun Jan 11 14:03:10 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Resize a partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4001ABFE.2030508@comcast.net> Actually, BootIT is shareware if you load it on your hard drive, but if you just use it to make the "boot" diskette and then use only the boot diskette, it's free. Jima wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >>If you want to resize NTFS, you're pretty much stuck with Partition >>Magic. > > > Not quite. Partition Magic is $69.95, Paragon's Partition Manager [1] is > $39.95. Partition Manager resizes NTFS just fine. > Just throwing it out there; I hear some people like saving $30. :) > > Jima > > 1. http://www.partition-manager.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Sun Jan 11 14:02:03 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Resize a partition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4001ABBB.5060409@comcast.net> BootIT Next Generation is free. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html I've used it to "resize" Win98 and WinNT partitions, I haven't used it to resize Linux partitions. You just need to make sure that the data only takes up as much size or LESS than what you want to shrink the partition to. Jima wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >>If you want to resize NTFS, you're pretty much stuck with Partition >>Magic. > > > Not quite. Partition Magic is $69.95, Paragon's Partition Manager [1] is > $39.95. Partition Manager resizes NTFS just fine. > Just throwing it out there; I hear some people like saving $30. :) > > Jima > > 1. http://www.partition-manager.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Sun Jan 11 17:35:27 2004 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Issue Message-ID: <1073864126.7165.4.camel@ix.norsemen.org> I am running Fedora Core 1 and I seem to be losing a directory. I created a /mnt/zip directory and add the mount point to fstab. If I shutdown the server and bring it back up, they are gone. Now, rather than logging into root, I su to it. Would that make a difference? Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Sun Jan 11 19:15:26 2004 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Issue In-Reply-To: <1073864126.7165.4.camel@ix.norsemen.org> References: <1073864126.7165.4.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: <4001F52E.5030108@cruiskeen.com> Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I am running Fedora Core 1 and I seem to be losing a directory. I > created a /mnt/zip directory and add the mount point to fstab. If I > shutdown the server and bring it back up, they are gone. Now, rather > than logging into root, I su to it. Would that make a difference? > > Perry Hoekstra > What exactly does your fstab file look like? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Sun Jan 11 20:32:33 2004 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Issue In-Reply-To: <4001F52E.5030108@cruiskeen.com> References: <1073864126.7165.4.camel@ix.norsemen.org> <4001F52E.5030108@cruiskeen.com> Message-ID: <1073874753.2602.0.camel@ix.norsemen.org> On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 19:15, Steve Hanson wrote: > Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > I am running Fedora Core 1 and I seem to be losing a directory. I > > created a /mnt/zip directory and add the mount point to fstab. If I > > shutdown the server and bring it back up, they are gone. Now, rather > > than logging into root, I su to it. Would that make a difference? > > > > Perry Hoekstra > > > What exactly does your fstab file look like? LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 selusa_secundus.norsemen.org:/music /mnt/music nfs rw 0 0 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Mon Jan 12 00:03:55 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Issue In-Reply-To: <1073874753.2602.0.camel@ix.norsemen.org> (message from Perry Hoekstra on Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:32:33 -0600) References: <1073864126.7165.4.camel@ix.norsemen.org> <4001F52E.5030108@cruiskeen.com> <1073874753.2602.0.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: <200401120603.i0C63tp14865@ecstasy.winternet.com> >> Perry Hoekstra wrote: >> > I am running Fedora Core 1 and I seem to be losing a directory. I >> > created a /mnt/zip directory and add the mount point to fstab. If I >> > shutdown the server and bring it back up, they are gone. Now, rather >> > than logging into root, I su to it. Would that make a difference? There is no significant difference between logging into root, and doing su from a user account. The difference is very unlikely to cause what (I think) you are describing. >On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 19:15, Steve Hanson wrote: >> What exactly does your fstab file look like? Perry Hoekstra wrote: >/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 >/dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 >/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 When a Red Hat system boots up, a program called kudzu, looks for certain devices and adds the appropriate lines into /etc/fstab. kudzu adds the option kudzu in the lines it adds, so it can later identify the them and remove them it the corresponding device is not detected by kudzu. Remove the option kudzu from the /mnt/zip mount point line in /etc/fstab and kudzu should ignore it (not remove it). It also creates and removes device links in /dev. It usually has a 30 second time out during boot when it asks what it should do about added and removed hardware, but probably can be set to automatically add and remove device information rather than ignore device additions and removals. It also updates the /etc/sysconfig/hwconf file. Maybe kudzu is also cleaning out the /mnt directory, i.e. removing /mnt/zip when the zip drive or volume is missing? Check out the kudzu man page and especially the kudzu package documentation file, /usr/share/doc/kudzu*/README, for further information. I usually make a backup copy of my /etc/fstab in case kudzu decides to modify it. It doesn't really damage anything, but changes the time stamp of /etc/fstab and confuses one about when /etc/fstab was last changed by a human. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net Mon Jan 12 06:40:42 2004 From: zjcf at DawnAndJohn.net (John Ford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distro Advice References: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C90FC@cilantro.AZimmer.local> <20040108144502.735e46ee@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <015501c3d909$4b2e6290$0200000a@EVE> :-( :-/ :-) Thanks for all the opinions & info on the distro's that would work for me - especially the specific reasons and examples some of you gave. At the moment I'm thinking Debian or Slackware. I'm brand new to this list, and was _slightly_ concerned about starting a distro flaming war - I'm glad it didn't turn into that. Looks like y'all will be a great resource if/when I get off my middle-aged mainframe ass and start installing! -jcf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at mail.cpinternet.com Sat Jan 10 17:01:27 2004 From: tsinks at mail.cpinternet.com (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Resize a partition References: <400078A3.8030903@visi.com> Message-ID: <002e01c3d7cd$b19f9900$0300000a@net.tsinks> Be sure when you do these processes that you you do a backup after you do the scan and defrag. When you do the Linux side be sure the data is all pushed in to the lower areas in order to open up the area for the new partition. You can damage your data if this isn't the case on both the M$ and Linux areas. I can still use the old Ranish process for the partions. Be careful with NTFS and ext3 as they are limited in variables allowed in theirs and the others' partitions. Also, there are a lot of procedures fully explained on the Linux Doc site on recovery for MBR and GRUB, etc. Thanks, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel MacDonald" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Resize a partition > Partition Magic is a great tool I've used it for re-sizing but not for > fixing a lost setup partition. Remember to keep a minimum of 10% free > disk space on each partition. You loose some performance in file writes, > it isn't a small loss of performance either. Read suffers a little but > the file write becomes a pain. > Linux uses a partition for swap space a fixed place for memory paging. > Linux checks for lost links and such upon startup. I think "fschk" is > the program > Windows uses a file for swap/page so on a windows machine it's really > important that "at least" 10% of disk is free. On a Windows machine you > should run scandisk once per week and defrag once per month. > > PHPTOm wrote: > > >Is is possible and not terribly dangerous to resize a partition? I have a > >drive that is one partition, about 6% used. > > > >TOm > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bob.schilmoeller at bigfoot.com Sun Jan 11 13:47:00 2004 From: bob.schilmoeller at bigfoot.com (Bob & Ruth Schilmoeller) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks! Old Laptops looking for a good home? In-Reply-To: <3FF3338D.6020607@bigfoot.com> References: <3FF3338D.6020607@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: <4001A834.4010601@bigfoot.com> Thanks to all who sent pointers regarding old laptops for me to take to Haiti. I am pursuing them. I will also take note of the export issues. Thanks again! - Bob Bob & Ruth Schilmoeller wrote: > All, > I have been reading this list for a while and this last discussion > about the nostalgic computers prompted me to send this inquiry. My > church works with a church in Haiti and we have sent several old > computers for a lab. I have been to Haiti twice on missions, once to > install pumps for water and the last time to set up the computer lab and > Direcway satellite internet so we can communicate with them. I am going > again the end of February and would like to take some old laptops with > me. I would be very appreciative if anyone can point me to access to > old (preferable pentium or >, not 3/486) laptops that I could acquire > for free or very cheaply. (<$100) > > Thanks in advance for any pointers! > - Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Mon Jan 12 07:54:44 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (rick ) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Issue Message-ID: <200401120754.AA2084438182@mail.eworld3.net> >There is no significant difference between logging into root, and doing >su from a user account. The difference is very unlikely to cause what >(I think) you are describing. I'm sure you know this Ken but just to keep things clear for others, one difference comes into play if the user types "su -" instead of "su". At the moment I don't have access to a Linux box :-( to quote fromt the man page but IIRC, "su -" causes the profile to be run/sourced. I agree that, in this case it's unlikely to cause the problem described. The reason I mention this difference is that I have seen it confuse newbies. Rick (in Baltimore this week) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Mon Jan 12 08:26:48 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options In-Reply-To: <40003BB6.3090808@visi.com> Message-ID: To my knowledge, almost no desktop computers have separate partitions. Instead, the setup is in the CMOS chip. This is why BIOS updates can change your menu options. As for David's boot menu disappearing act, I want to agree with Matthew's response in that I have a hard time believing that would be the case, except I've seen this behavior too, in laptops alone. (I've got two old Dells on my workbench behind me right now that I am having trouble with.) I've not tried a BIOS update on them yet, and I do have a feeling that will repair the issue. Just my two cents, I guess. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:52 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options > > > Is the F12 the option that puts you into the machines setup? > Many manufacturers use this Compaq, Dell, Micron, and others. It's a > partition from 10 - 30 megabytes that contains programs for > configuration, hardware testing, remote administration, etc... Most > machines can live without this but it's a good thing to have > if you have > a hardware problem. This is not exclusive to laptops. Compaq has long > used it in Servers and Desktops. > > I remember this happening to someone else but it was a long > time ago. > The person let Red Hat do the automatic partitioning, it erased the > setup partition. The only way "I" know how to fix it is to > rebuild the > whole thing. Some smarter LUGer may have a way to work around it. > > You will need to setup and diagnostics disks from the manufacturer. > When you setup Red Hat you will need to manually partition > the drive to > be sure the setup partition remains on the disk. > > This should be a topic at an Install Fest. I can do a setup > partition > clinic on a Compaq if anyone is interested. > > Sam. > > David Schiff wrote: > > >For what its worth the DeadRat manuals state the reason they use a > >/boot partition is so if you have file corruption on / you can still > >have pure kernel to boot and fix things. > > > >I ha a Dell Inspiron 11. It had this really nice feature of > a one time > >boot option, you hit f12 at start up and you get a menu of boot > >options. I installed Fedora core w/Grubb on mbr now not only > wont this > >feature work (which is not surprising) but Grubb kicks in > before I can > >boot a cd or dvd no matter what the bios boot order is set > to. To boot > >from cd I have to dissable boot from hd in bios. Is there a HOWTO to > >create a boot from cd munu option ror Grubb like the boot > from floppy > >option on Mandrake's LILO setup? > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Mon Jan 12 08:47:04 2004 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fedora Issue In-Reply-To: <200401120754.AA2084438182@mail.eworld3.net> Message-ID: IIRC: 'su' uses the profile (on redhat it's the .bashrc and .bash_profile) of the user you start as. 'su -l ' uses the profile of the user you are going to (be it root or some other user, the -l means login). 'su -l' without a user specified is equivalent to 'su -l root' 'su -' without a command switch specified is equivalent to 'su -l' This is important because normally, users have a different command path than root. If you're a normal user and you su to root but you don't specify the - or -l or even --login (they are all equivalent), you don't get root's command path. You can still run all of the root commands, you just need to know and specify the full path to those commands. If you're root and you su to another user without using the -l, you've still got root's command path, but you may not have the normal userspace command path. You also don't have proper permissions to use most of the commands in large parts of root's command path (/sbin for example). For those new users out there, doing an su -l from a user account will ask you for the password of the user your are going to. Doing an su -l from root to a user account will not ask you for the user's password. su is a very powerful command, understanding it can be very useful. Jeff On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, rick wrote: > >There is no significant difference between logging into root, and doing > >su from a user account. The difference is very unlikely to cause what > >(I think) you are describing. > > I'm sure you know this Ken but just to keep things clear for others, one > difference comes into play if the user types "su -" instead of "su". At > the moment I don't have access to a Linux box :-( to quote fromt the man > page but IIRC, "su -" causes the profile to be run/sourced. I agree > that, in this case it's unlikely to cause the problem described. The > reason I mention this difference is that I have seen it confuse newbies. > > Rick (in Baltimore this week) Meyerhoff > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Jan 12 09:47:28 2004 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073922448.10688.149.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 08:26, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > To my knowledge, almost no desktop computers have separate partitions. > Instead, the setup is in the CMOS chip. This is why BIOS updates can > change your menu options. I haven't been following this thread closely so forgive me if this has been covered. I have seen computers (old inexpensive compaq's I think) with the bios info stored on a mini drive partition. I've trashed this "bios Partion" in the past and had to download and make bootable floppies to recreate it. The hard drive bios has to go down as one of the stupidest ideas ever. I couldn't google up anything quickly to support my story so you may think I'm crazy. I wouldn't believe it either. but several years ago I did fix a computer that wouldn't boot without a partition on the primary master drive for bios info. - Tom On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 08:26, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > To my knowledge, almost no desktop computers have separate partitions. > Instead, the setup is in the CMOS chip. This is why BIOS updates can > change your menu options. > > As for David's boot menu disappearing act, I want to agree with > Matthew's response in that I have a hard time believing that would be > the case, except I've seen this behavior too, in laptops alone. (I've > got two old Dells on my workbench behind me right now that I am having > trouble with.) I've not tried a BIOS update on them yet, and I do have a > feeling that will repair the issue. > > Just my two cents, I guess. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:52 AM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options > > > > > > Is the F12 the option that puts you into the machines setup? > > Many manufacturers use this Compaq, Dell, Micron, and others. It's a > > partition from 10 - 30 megabytes that contains programs for > > configuration, hardware testing, remote administration, etc... Most > > machines can live without this but it's a good thing to have > > if you have > > a hardware problem. This is not exclusive to laptops. Compaq has long > > used it in Servers and Desktops. > > > > I remember this happening to someone else but it was a long > > time ago. > > The person let Red Hat do the automatic partitioning, it erased the > > setup partition. The only way "I" know how to fix it is to > > rebuild the > > whole thing. Some smarter LUGer may have a way to work around it. > > > > You will need to setup and diagnostics disks from the manufacturer. > > When you setup Red Hat you will need to manually partition > > the drive to > > be sure the setup partition remains on the disk. > > > > This should be a topic at an Install Fest. I can do a setup > > partition > > clinic on a Compaq if anyone is interested. > > > > Sam. > > > > David Schiff wrote: > > > > >For what its worth the DeadRat manuals state the reason they use a > > >/boot partition is so if you have file corruption on / you can still > > >have pure kernel to boot and fix things. > > > > > >I ha a Dell Inspiron 11. It had this really nice feature of > > a one time > > >boot option, you hit f12 at start up and you get a menu of boot > > >options. I installed Fedora core w/Grubb on mbr now not only > > wont this > > >feature work (which is not surprising) but Grubb kicks in > > before I can > > >boot a cd or dvd no matter what the bios boot order is set > > to. To boot > > >from cd I have to dissable boot from hd in bios. Is there a HOWTO to > > >create a boot from cd munu option ror Grubb like the boot > > from floppy > > >option on Mandrake's LILO setup? > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Mon Jan 12 11:17:45 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options In-Reply-To: <1073922448.10688.149.camel@lotsa> References: <1073922448.10688.149.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20040112171745.GB368@therub.org> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:47:28AM -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > I haven't been following this thread closely so forgive me if this has > been covered. I have seen computers (old inexpensive compaq's I think) > with the bios info stored on a mini drive partition. I've trashed this > "bios Partion" in the past and had to download and make bootable > floppies to recreate it. The hard drive bios has to go down as one of > the stupidest ideas ever. > > I couldn't google up anything quickly to support my story so you may > think I'm crazy. I wouldn't believe it either. but several years ago I > did fix a computer that wouldn't boot without a partition on the primary > master drive for bios info. I concur! I use an old P200 compac for my firewall. It came with a 2GB hard drive, with a small partition that it used for bios. If you booted to bios, it brought up this circa windows 95 visual basic interface for _viewing_ your bios information (I was not able to actually change anything). I was able to nuke the partition and still have a functioning computer - I just can't access any bios information - but since I couldn't change anything with the interface anyway I don't care. Worth noting is that I bought this computer at computer renassiance a few years ago for $70 I think. I booted it up when I got it, and it went into win98. Looking around, they had deleted the "my documents" folder, but not emptied it from recycling bin. Apparently, the computer was used by the corporate headquarters for one of the big salon chains. I found some very interesting customer/personal information on there. There were a few letters to customers saying to the effect: "We're sorry that you had a bad experience at XXX salon. Your credit card number xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx expiration date xx/xx/xx has been refunded $13.95" I was shocked that companies are so stupid to leave stuff like that on there. Can you say lawsuit? I considered contacting the people who's information had been compromised, and I considered contacting the salon company. But in the end, knowing people who's innocent security alerts had resulted in criminal penalties, I just formatted the drive... Dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Mon Jan 12 10:25:00 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B5AE@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Rue [mailto:drue@therub.org] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:18 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:47:28AM -0600, Tom Penney wrote: > > I haven't been following this thread closely so forgive me > if this has > > been covered. I have seen computers (old inexpensive > compaq's I think) > > with the bios info stored on a mini drive partition. I've > trashed this > > "bios Partion" in the past and had to download and make bootable > > floppies to recreate it. The hard drive bios has to go down > as one of > > the stupidest ideas ever. > > > > I couldn't google up anything quickly to support my story so you may > > think I'm crazy. I wouldn't believe it either. but several > years ago I > > did fix a computer that wouldn't boot without a partition > on the primary > > master drive for bios info. > I concur! I use an old P200 compac for my firewall. It came > with a 2GB > hard drive, with a small partition that it used for bios. If > you booted > to bios, it brought up this circa windows 95 visual basic > interface for > _viewing_ your bios information (I was not able to actually change > anything). I was able to nuke the partition and still have a > functioning computer - I just can't access any bios information - but > since I couldn't change anything with the interface anyway I > don't care. > > Worth noting is that I bought this computer at computer renassiance a > few years ago for $70 I think. I booted it up when I got it, and it > went into win98. Looking around, they had deleted the "my documents" > folder, but not emptied it from recycling bin. Apparently, > the computer > was used by the corporate headquarters for one of the big > salon chains. > I found some very interesting customer/personal information on there. > There were a few letters to customers saying to the effect: > "We're sorry > that you had a bad experience at XXX salon. Your credit card number > xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx expiration date xx/xx/xx has been refunded $13.95" > > I was shocked that companies are so stupid to leave stuff like that on > there. Can you say lawsuit? > > I considered contacting the people who's information had been > compromised, and I considered contacting the salon company. > But in the > end, knowing people who's innocent security alerts had resulted in > criminal penalties, I just formatted the drive... > > Dan One more reason we were all better off with Green screen computing with dumb terminals. You can't save sensitive customer data on your dumb terminal. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbusse at bussefamily.com Mon Jan 12 12:57:51 2004 From: mbusse at bussefamily.com (Mike Busse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compiled apache2 missing apachectl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47923.63.124.135.39.1073933871.squirrel@mail.bussefamily.com> It's now apache2ctl PHPTOm said: > I compiled apache2 successfully, but I can find no apachectl anywhere. > Anyone know what is up? Compiled without errors, httpd runs fine. > > Tom Wurdock > 612 728 7854 > twurdock@wordesign.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Mon Jan 12 12:47:56 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options In-Reply-To: <1073922448.10688.149.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: Compaqs have been mentioned, but to my knowledge they are the exception. I knew they did this on servers, but I did not know they did that on desktops too. One more reason to not like Compaq, or at least they're home PCs (like I need one...) Anyone know if this has changed yet with HPs acquisition of Compaq? Or did they stop doing this before they were bought out? John > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Tom Penney > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:47 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options > > > On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 08:26, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > To my knowledge, almost no desktop computers have separate > partitions. > > Instead, the setup is in the CMOS chip. This is why BIOS > updates can > > change your menu options. > > I haven't been following this thread closely so forgive me if > this has been covered. I have seen computers (old inexpensive > compaq's I think) with the bios info stored on a mini drive > partition. I've trashed this "bios Partion" in the past and > had to download and make bootable floppies to recreate it. > The hard drive bios has to go down as one of the stupidest > ideas ever. > > I couldn't google up anything quickly to support my story so > you may think I'm crazy. I wouldn't believe it either. but > several years ago I did fix a computer that wouldn't boot > without a partition on the primary master drive for bios info. > > - Tom > > > > On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 08:26, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > > To my knowledge, almost no desktop computers have separate > partitions. > > Instead, the setup is in the CMOS chip. This is why BIOS > updates can > > change your menu options. > > > > As for David's boot menu disappearing act, I want to agree with > > Matthew's response in that I have a hard time believing > that would be > > the case, except I've seen this behavior too, in laptops > alone. (I've > > got two old Dells on my workbench behind me right now that > I am having > > trouble with.) I've not tried a BIOS update on them yet, > and I do have > > a feeling that will repair the issue. > > > > Just my two cents, I guess. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of > Samuel MacDonald > > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:52 AM > > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Grubb boot menu options > > > > > > > > > Is the F12 the option that puts you into the machines setup? > > > Many manufacturers use this Compaq, Dell, Micron, and > others. It's a > > > partition from 10 - 30 megabytes that contains programs for > > > configuration, hardware testing, remote administration, > etc... Most > > > machines can live without this but it's a good thing to have > > > if you have > > > a hardware problem. This is not exclusive to laptops. > Compaq has long > > > used it in Servers and Desktops. > > > > > > I remember this happening to someone else but it was a long > > > time ago. > > > The person let Red Hat do the automatic partitioning, it > erased the > > > setup partition. The only way "I" know how to fix it is to > > > rebuild the > > > whole thing. Some smarter LUGer may have a way to work around it. > > > > > > You will need to setup and diagnostics disks from the > manufacturer. > > > When you setup Red Hat you will need to manually partition > > > the drive to > > > be sure the setup partition remains on the disk. > > > > > > This should be a topic at an Install Fest. I can do a setup > > > partition > > > clinic on a Compaq if anyone is interested. > > > > > > Sam. > > > > > > David Schiff wrote: > > > > > > >For what its worth the DeadRat manuals state the reason > they use a > > > >/boot partition is so if you have file corruption on / > you can still > > > >have pure kernel to boot and fix things. > > > > > > > >I ha a Dell Inspiron 11. It had this really nice feature of > > > a one time > > > >boot option, you hit f12 at start up and you get a menu of boot > > > >options. I installed Fedora core w/Grubb on mbr now not only > > > wont this > > > >feature work (which is not surprising) but Grubb kicks in > > > before I can > > > >boot a cd or dvd no matter what the bios boot order is set > > > to. To boot > > > >from cd I have to dissable boot from hd in bios. Is > there a HOWTO > > > >to > > > >create a boot from cd munu option ror Grubb like the boot > > > from floppy > > > >option on Mandrake's LILO setup? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Tom Penney > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Jan 12 14:18:13 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEER MEETING Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3833@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Reminder of the beer meeting on Friday at the Herkimer I will send out an official reminded and update the page later this week. But I would like to know about how many to tell them to expect Lets see a show of hands on who is coming?? Dan Lansing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Mon Jan 12 14:47:51 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEER MEETING In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3833@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3833@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <400307F7.8030602@druswanderings.net> Lansing, Dan wrote: > Lets see a show of hands on who is coming?? > , ,||| |||| / ----/ --- | | | | -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Mon Jan 12 14:59:56 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEER MEETING Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3635@owa.compellent.com> I regrettably have to decline. My in-laws are coming into town...... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Lansing, Dan Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 2:18 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] BEER MEETING Reminder of the beer meeting on Friday at the Herkimer I will send out an official reminded and update the page later this week. But I would like to know about how many to tell them to expect Lets see a show of hands on who is coming?? Dan Lansing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Jan 12 15:07:53 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEER MEETING Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3834@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Well bring them with!! It will be fun for the whole family! :) Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ben Neigebauer Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:00 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: RE: [TCLUG] BEER MEETING I regrettably have to decline. My in-laws are coming into town...... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Lansing, Dan Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 2:18 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] BEER MEETING Reminder of the beer meeting on Friday at the Herkimer I will send out an official reminded and update the page later this week. But I would like to know about how many to tell them to expect Lets see a show of hands on who is coming?? Dan Lansing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Jan 12 15:58:55 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401122158.i0CLwtZ20421@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Subject: Job, NOT Linux I was contacted by a company who found my resume on Monster.com :-) They have an exclusive on this contract. It's a 6 month gig. They are looking for 3 NT/W2K Server Admins to do builds of Dell, Compaq, and IBM hardware installing NT/W2K. The rate is From $20 to $25 and hour. If your interested let me know, I'll forward your eMail address. For me, (I need the work) if I get one of the positions, it will sting a bit. It's working at the American Express account for IBM GS in down town Minneapolis. No over time is paid but the hours are returned the following week. If you work 45 one week the next week you work 35. Sam. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Mon Jan 12 17:39:24 2004 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200401122158.i0CLwtZ20421@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200401122158.i0CLwtZ20421@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040112233924.GA3083@therub.org> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 03:58:55PM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > I was contacted by a company who found my resume on Monster.com :-) They have an exclusive on this contract. It's a 6 month gig. > > They are looking for 3 NT/W2K Server Admins to do builds of Dell, Compaq, and IBM hardware installing NT/W2K. The rate is From $20 to $25 and hour. If your interested let me know, I'll forward your eMail address. > > For me, (I need the work) if I get one of the positions, it will sting a bit. It's working at the American Express account for IBM GS in down town Minneapolis. I know a guy who worked there - and I just want to say not to get your hopes up. They refuse to hire anyone full time, they just keep you on as "temp-to-hire" until you quit. He was making far less that $20/hr, no benefits. I know he worked in taht building, doing inventory of computers. They also hire a lot of phone tech people in similar fashion. Of course, if you can't be picky, go for it. Just be cautious is all i'm saying. dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Jan 12 22:31:46 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040112233924.GA3083@therub.org> References: <200401122158.i0CLwtZ20421@crusader.real-time.com> <20040112233924.GA3083@therub.org> Message-ID: <400374B2.9080808@visi.com> I know it's for IBM GS. They work the IBM employees like dogs but the contract people don't have it bad. I need the work so if they will have me I'll work. As long as I don't have to work for IBM GS I'm happy. Sam. Dan Rue wrote: >On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 03:58:55PM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > > >>I was contacted by a company who found my resume on Monster.com :-) They have an exclusive on this contract. It's a 6 month gig. >> >>They are looking for 3 NT/W2K Server Admins to do builds of Dell, Compaq, and IBM hardware installing NT/W2K. The rate is From $20 to $25 and hour. If your interested let me know, I'll forward your eMail address. >> >>For me, (I need the work) if I get one of the positions, it will sting a bit. It's working at the American Express account for IBM GS in down town Minneapolis. >> >> >I know a guy who worked there - and I just want to say not to get your >hopes up. They refuse to hire anyone full time, they just keep you on >as "temp-to-hire" until you quit. He was making far less that $20/hr, >no benefits. I know he worked in taht building, doing inventory of >computers. They also hire a lot of phone tech people in similar >fashion. Of course, if you can't be picky, go for it. Just be >cautious is all i'm saying. > >dan > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jan 13 07:43:49 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401131343.i0DDhnu32178@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Presario notebook cdrom I need a new CDROM for my Presario notebook, model is 906US and I don't know if that matters, if any Presario cdrom will work?, if anyone knows of a place in MN that would sell one of these please let me know or if you have one please let me know. Thanks. erick at enrwebddev dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JENTGES.NET Tue Jan 13 08:08:42 2004 From: mike at JENTGES.NET (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200401131343.i0DDhnu32178@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200401131343.i0DDhnu32178@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1091.68.187.152.25.1074002922.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Here's what TCLUG Classifieds babbled earlier : >Subject: Presario notebook cdrom > > I need a new CDROM for my Presario notebook, model is 906US and I don't know if > that matters, if any Presario cdrom will work?, if anyone knows of a place in MN > that would sell one of these please let me know or if you have one please let me > know. Thanks. > Have you tried ebay? Also, (at least the 'business' series) Compaq uses what they call "Spares Part Numbers." If you pull the unit out and look it over, somewhere on one of the labels it should read "Replace with Compaq spares #xxxxxxxx-001" or some such. If you're unsuccessful you can always order a new one from their site using that spares number too.... Good Luck! -mj -- --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Jan 13 10:21:30 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black screen on boot Message-ID: <00a901c3d9f1$53bee130$47ae6742@DELL2> I am trying to help a friend out with a redhat 9 box. The monitor works fine during boot, but goes black when he expects to get a login screen. Any Idea what I need to change to resolve this? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erick at nixbrain.com Tue Jan 13 12:16:16 2004 From: erick at nixbrain.com (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <1091.68.187.152.25.1074002922.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <200401131343.i0DDhnu32178@crusader.real-time.com> <1091.68.187.152.25.1074002922.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: <400435F0.60606@nixbrain.com> Michael Jentges wrote: > Here's what TCLUG Classifieds babbled earlier : > > >>Subject: Presario notebook cdrom >> >>I need a new CDROM for my Presario notebook, model is 906US and I don't know if >>that matters, if any Presario cdrom will work?, if anyone knows of a place in MN >>that would sell one of these please let me know or if you have one please let me >>know. Thanks. >> > > > Have you tried ebay? Also, (at least the 'business' series) Compaq uses what they > call "Spares Part Numbers." If you pull the unit out and look it over, somewhere on > one of the labels it should read "Replace with Compaq spares #xxxxxxxx-001" or some > such. > > If you're unsuccessful you can always order a new one from their site using that > spares number too.... > > Good Luck! > > -mj > found one at ChipHeads, not the same drive but for $25 i can't go wrong, and it works! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Jan 13 10:37:33 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black screen on boot In-Reply-To: <00a901c3d9f1$53bee130$47ae6742@DELL2> References: <00a901c3d9f1$53bee130$47ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am trying to help a friend out with a redhat 9 box. The monitor works fine > during boot, but goes black when he expects to get a login screen. Any Idea > what I need to change to resolve this? sounds like X is not setup properly and it is trying to drive the monitor to a higher range than it is capable. login to runlevel 3 and run redhat-config-xfree86(iirc) to get to runlevel 3, just append 3 to the kernel line in grub. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Jan 13 10:55:22 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black screen on boot In-Reply-To: References: <00a901c3d9f1$53bee130$47ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:37:33 -0600 (CST), Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Raymond Norton wrote: > >> I am trying to help a friend out with a redhat 9 box. The monitor works >> fine >> during boot, but goes black when he expects to get a login screen. Any >> Idea >> what I need to change to resolve this? > > sounds like X is not setup properly and it is trying to drive the monitor > to a higher range than it is capable. > > login to runlevel 3 and run redhat-config-xfree86(iirc) > > to get to runlevel 3, just append 3 to the kernel line in grub. > I think you can boot to a command prompt directly by entering "linux single" at the grub prompt (if you're using grub) You may also be able to get a command prompt by hitting Alt-F1 at the blank screen _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Tue Jan 13 11:11:23 2004 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black screen on boot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040113110111.E81040-100000@tcfreenet.org> More on why I didn't like grub until I got over the hideous learning curve. Raymond: To get to runlevel 3, when the grub menu comes up, move your selector to the kernel you are booting from and press the "e" key. You will then see 3 or so lines that are about that kernel boot process. Find the on that says kernel and move your selector to that one and press "e" Edit that line by adding a "3" at the end of it. (no quotes please). Optionally also add vga=ask to set your screen mode for text. Press Press "b" to boot the kernel description that is currently on the screen. If you press escape it goes away and your changes don't take. HTH someone. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > I am trying to help a friend out with a redhat 9 box. The monitor works fine > > during boot, but goes black when he expects to get a login screen. Any Idea > > what I need to change to resolve this? > > sounds like X is not setup properly and it is trying to drive the monitor > to a higher range than it is capable. > > login to runlevel 3 and run redhat-config-xfree86(iirc) > > to get to runlevel 3, just append 3 to the kernel line in grub. > > -- > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > http://redconcepts.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Jan 13 11:16:18 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black screen on boot In-Reply-To: References: <00a901c3d9f1$53bee130$47ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > I think you can boot to a command prompt directly by entering "linux > single" at the grub prompt (if you're using grub) this is single user mode and redhats config tools may not work. they require an X server and if i am not mistaken X requires multiuser mode -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jan 13 11:38:51 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black screen on boot References: <00a901c3d9f1$53bee130$47ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <40042D2B.70605@structural-wood.com> Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > >>I think you can boot to a command prompt directly by entering "linux >>single" at the grub prompt (if you're using grub) > > > this is single user mode and redhats config tools may not work. they > require an X server and if i am not mistaken X requires multiuser mode > You can always launch an X-Server regardless of 'mode'. If you remember to also launch an X-Terminal you can do anything graphical you want. At the command line, do something like... (X&) ; sleep 10 ; DISPLAY=:0.0 xterm the command varies with the shell. (I won't say which shell the above is for, 'cause if I have a syntax error I'll make the claim it was for a different shell...). [ctrl][alt][backspace] to gracefully exit, or the ever popular killall -9 X will also work nicely... Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Jan 13 11:44:00 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black screen on boot In-Reply-To: References: <00a901c3d9f1$53bee130$47ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:16:18 -0600 (CST), Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> I think you can boot to a command prompt directly by entering "linux >> single" at the grub prompt (if you're using grub) > > this is single user mode and redhats config tools may not work. they > require an X server and if i am not mistaken X requires multiuser mode > This is true - I was thinking a manual edit of XFree86 or use XFree86 -configure. This command will create a default (hopefully functional) XF86Config file in the root homedir (/root). here's a link to a good X config doc: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/os-dw-linuxxwin-i.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jan 13 12:04:20 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401131804.i0DI4K504231@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: HP 600c Inkjet Printer I have an HP 600c Inkjet printer that works just fine. eBay has them for from 10 - 20 dollars Anyone interested. Sam. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jan 13 12:00:21 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401131800.i0DI0L204092@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: ATI 7000 PCI Video Adapter A friend of mine has an ATI 7000 PCI Video Adapter with 32 mb RAM in the box. He bought for his HP computer, after struggling with trying to get it to work he finally gave up. I found one on eBay for around $30. Anyone interested? Sam. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Jan 13 16:12:23 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black screen on boot In-Reply-To: References: <00a901c3d9f1$53bee130$47ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <1074031941.31758.10.camel@bigtime> > > I think you can boot to a command prompt directly by entering "linux > > single" at the grub prompt (if you're using grub) > > this is single user mode and redhats config tools may not work. they > require an X server and if i am not mistaken X requires multiuser mode As far as I've seen all of redhat's config/admin tools work primarily in textmode. The GNOME version is an additional frontend. Besides, singe user mode just means no daemons are automatically started, there's really nothing stopping you from manually starting X other than probably needing to start xfs first. PAM may or may not stop anyone but root from logging in too. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Jan 13 17:01:07 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openldap-2.1.25 + Redhat 8.0 Message-ID: <400478B3.7090402@andersonfam.org> Has anyone been able to successfully get this working? I've had nothing but trouble getting openldap-2.1.25 installed. I have the latest BerleleyDB installed, which OpenLDAP was asking for. OpenLDAP configures and compiles fine, but when I run the "make test", I get a Segfault: ________________________________________________________________________ [erika@lpdlnx05 openldap-2.1.25]$ make test cd tests; make test make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/openldap-2.1.25/tests' ln: `./data': cannot overwrite directory make[1]: [test-bdb] Error 1 (ignored) ln: `./schema': File exists make[1]: [test-bdb] Error 1 (ignored) ln: `ucdata/liblunicode': File exists make[1]: [test-bdb] Error 1 (ignored) Initiating LDAP tests for BDB... >>>>> Executing all LDAP tests... >>>>> Test Directory: . >>>>> Backend: bdb >>>>> Starting test000-rootdse ... running defines.sh Datadir is ./data Cleaning up in ./test-db... Starting slapd on TCP/IP port 9009... Using ldapsearch to retrieve the root DSE... ./scripts/test000-rootdse: line 49: 30028 Segmentation fault $SLAPD -f $DBCONF -h $MASTERURI -d $LVL $TIMING >$MASTERLOG 2>&1 Waiting 5 seconds for slapd to start... Waiting 5 seconds for slapd to start... make[1]: *** [test-bdb] Interrupt make: *** [test] Interrupt ________________________________________________________________________ Any ideas? Thanks! -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Jan 13 17:00:06 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] black screen on boot In-Reply-To: <1074031941.31758.10.camel@bigtime> References: <00a901c3d9f1$53bee130$47ae6742@DELL2> <1074031941.31758.10.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > I think you can boot to a command prompt directly by entering "linux > > > single" at the grub prompt (if you're using grub) > > > > this is single user mode and redhats config tools may not work. they > > require an X server and if i am not mistaken X requires multiuser mode > > As far as I've seen all of redhat's config/admin tools work primarily in > textmode. The GNOME version is an additional frontend. that used to be the case in older versions of redhat(netconfig, Xconfigurator, sndconfig) the later versions of redhat now use redhat-config-* which start a minimal svga X server if none is started already. iirc you can still use the old tools but they are not installed by default. > Besides, singe user mode just means no daemons are automatically > started, there's really nothing stopping you from manually starting X > other than probably needing to start xfs first. PAM may or may not stop > anyone but root from logging in too. i stand corrected, after testing on some boxes it appears that one can in fact get X working in single user mode. path statements need to be configured but otherwise everything works. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Tue Jan 13 22:41:49 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix-style virtual email domains Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm having a terrible time getting postfix-style virtual domains working on my server. I'm using Postfix on a Debian box. I've had sendmail-style virtual domains working in the past, but I thought I would try something different this time. I've read and read, but I'm still getting stuck. I seem to be getting conflicting advice from a number of the How-to's I've been reading. Is there anyone that has this working that would be willing to have a look at my config files? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Jan 13 23:51:53 2004 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix-style virtual email domains In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 10:41:49PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040113235153.B24580@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 10:41:49PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > I'm having a terrible time getting postfix-style virtual domains working on > my server. I'm using Postfix on a Debian box. I've had sendmail-style > virtual domains working in the past, but I thought I would try something > different this time. > > I've read and read, but I'm still getting stuck. I seem to be getting > conflicting advice from a number of the How-to's I've been reading. > > Is there anyone that has this working that would be willing to have a look > at my config files? Are you using the postmap(1) command to create the virtual lookup table, as mentioned in the virtual(5) man page? -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Wed Jan 14 00:15:53 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix-style virtual email domains In-Reply-To: <20040113235153.B24580@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: On 1/13/04 11:51 PM, "Joel Schneider" wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 10:41:49PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: >> I'm having a terrible time getting postfix-style virtual domains working on >> my server. I'm using Postfix on a Debian box. I've had sendmail-style >> virtual domains working in the past, but I thought I would try something >> different this time. > > Are you using the postmap(1) command to create the virtual lookup table, > as mentioned in the virtual(5) man page? Yep, I've done that. Let me include some more details. I'm going to munge some email addresses here. My regular domain is qwerk.org and littlecreektrees.com is the one I'd like to virtual host. > o here's a sample domain in my /etc/postfix/virtual file. the catchall > is the last entry here and is a null user with the domain on the RHS. My /etc/postfix/virtual contains: littlecreektrees.com this-text-is-ignored postmasxyz@littlecreektrees.com postmaster salxyz@littlecreektrees.com kdwilxyz@evertek.net kxyz@littlecreektrees.com kdwilxyz@evertek.net marxyz@littlecreektrees.com kdwilxyz@evertek.net timxyz@littlecreektrees.com wilson@visi.com Other notable entries in main.cf include: relay_domains = $mydestination, littlecreektrees.com relayhost = $mydomain virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual virtual_alias_domains = littlecreektrees.com When I try to send email to timxyz@littlecreektrees.com from my work account (tim_wilxyz@hopkins.k12.mn.us) I get the following in mail.log: Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4395]: connect from s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4395]: 6477A7CA5: client=s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/cleanup[4396]: 6477A7CA5: message-id= Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/nqmgr[4386]: 6477A7CA5: from=, size=878, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4395]: disconnect from s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4388]: connect to qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out (port 25) Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4388]: 0F5737EC3: to=, relay=none, delay=378, status=deferred (connect to qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out) Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4389]: connect to qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out (port 25) Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4389]: 0998B7EC0: to=, relay=none, delay=4437, status=deferred (connect to qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out) I'm not sure why the connection is timing out at the end there. Some instructions I read said that you shouldn't put the virtual domains in the relay_domains directive if you're using postfix-style virtual domains. For example, here's a quote from a "virtual" man page I found: # Do not specify virtual alias domain names in the main.cf # mydestination or relay_domains configuration parameters. When I take littlecreektrees.com out of that setting I get: Jan 13 23:56:04 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: connect from s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] Jan 13 23:56:04 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: EF5177EBE: client=s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] Jan 13 23:56:04 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: reject: RCPT from s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9]: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied; from= to= Jan 13 23:56:15 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: disconnect from s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] So now it's rejecting relaying to my visi.com address. Any ideas? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Wed Jan 14 08:11:21 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix-style virtual email domains In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40054E09.5080608@igi.com> Try smtpd_sender_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access, reject_unknown_sender_domain or smtpd_sender_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access, permit in your main.cf* ** * Tim Wilson wrote: >On 1/13/04 11:51 PM, "Joel Schneider" wrote: > > > >>On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 10:41:49PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: >> >> >>>I'm having a terrible time getting postfix-style virtual domains working on >>>my server. I'm using Postfix on a Debian box. I've had sendmail-style >>>virtual domains working in the past, but I thought I would try something >>>different this time. >>> >>> >>Are you using the postmap(1) command to create the virtual lookup table, >>as mentioned in the virtual(5) man page? >> >> > >Yep, I've done that. Let me include some more details. I'm going to munge >some email addresses here. > >My regular domain is qwerk.org and littlecreektrees.com is the one I'd like >to virtual host. > > > >>o here's a sample domain in my /etc/postfix/virtual file. the catchall >>is the last entry here and is a null user with the domain on the RHS. >> >> > >My /etc/postfix/virtual contains: > >littlecreektrees.com this-text-is-ignored >postmasxyz@littlecreektrees.com postmaster >salxyz@littlecreektrees.com kdwilxyz@evertek.net >kxyz@littlecreektrees.com kdwilxyz@evertek.net >marxyz@littlecreektrees.com kdwilxyz@evertek.net >timxyz@littlecreektrees.com wilson@visi.com > >Other notable entries in main.cf include: > >relay_domains = $mydestination, littlecreektrees.com >relayhost = $mydomain >virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual >virtual_alias_domains = littlecreektrees.com > >When I try to send email to timxyz@littlecreektrees.com from my work account >(tim_wilxyz@hopkins.k12.mn.us) I get the following in mail.log: > >Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4395]: connect from >s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] >Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4395]: 6477A7CA5: >client=s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] >Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/cleanup[4396]: 6477A7CA5: >message-id= >Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/nqmgr[4386]: 6477A7CA5: >from=, size=878, nrcpt=1 (queue active) >Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4395]: disconnect from >s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] >Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4388]: connect to >qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out (port 25) >Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4388]: 0F5737EC3: >to=, relay=none, delay=378, status=deferred >(connect to qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out) >Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4389]: connect to >qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out (port 25) >Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4389]: 0998B7EC0: >to=, relay=none, delay=4437, status=deferred >(connect to qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out) > >I'm not sure why the connection is timing out at the end there. > >Some instructions I read said that you shouldn't put the virtual domains in >the relay_domains directive if you're using postfix-style virtual domains. >For example, here's a quote from a "virtual" man page I found: > ># Do not specify virtual alias domain names in the main.cf ># mydestination or relay_domains configuration parameters. > >When I take littlecreektrees.com out of that setting I get: > >Jan 13 23:56:04 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: connect from >s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] >Jan 13 23:56:04 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: EF5177EBE: >client=s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] >Jan 13 23:56:04 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: reject: RCPT from >s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9]: 554 : >Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied; >from= to= >Jan 13 23:56:15 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: disconnect from >s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] > >So now it's rejecting relaying to my visi.com address. > >Any ideas? > >-Tim > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lists at chuckhays.net Wed Jan 14 10:21:36 2004 From: lists at chuckhays.net (Chuck Hays) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix-style virtual email domains In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1074097296.22417.1.camel@chays.dyndns.org> I just had this same problem. I think virtual_alias_maps needs to be virtual_maps in debian 3.0 stable. That fixed it for me, I was doing it from various docs I found, and they all used virtual_alias_maps, but checking the output from postconf -n did not list anything about the virtual_alias_maps, or virtual_maps. If it does not show up there, then postfix did not pick up that configuration. I would try looking at that output, and changing the above variable name. -Chuck Hays On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 00:15, Tim Wilson wrote: > On 1/13/04 11:51 PM, "Joel Schneider" wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 10:41:49PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > >> I'm having a terrible time getting postfix-style virtual domains working on > >> my server. I'm using Postfix on a Debian box. I've had sendmail-style > >> virtual domains working in the past, but I thought I would try something > >> different this time. > > > > Are you using the postmap(1) command to create the virtual lookup table, > > as mentioned in the virtual(5) man page? > > Yep, I've done that. Let me include some more details. I'm going to munge > some email addresses here. > > My regular domain is qwerk.org and littlecreektrees.com is the one I'd like > to virtual host. > > > o here's a sample domain in my /etc/postfix/virtual file. the catchall > > is the last entry here and is a null user with the domain on the RHS. > > My /etc/postfix/virtual contains: > > littlecreektrees.com this-text-is-ignored > postmasxyz@littlecreektrees.com postmaster > salxyz@littlecreektrees.com kdwilxyz@evertek.net > kxyz@littlecreektrees.com kdwilxyz@evertek.net > marxyz@littlecreektrees.com kdwilxyz@evertek.net > timxyz@littlecreektrees.com wilson@visi.com > > Other notable entries in main.cf include: > > relay_domains = $mydestination, littlecreektrees.com > relayhost = $mydomain > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual > virtual_alias_domains = littlecreektrees.com > > When I try to send email to timxyz@littlecreektrees.com from my work account > (tim_wilxyz@hopkins.k12.mn.us) I get the following in mail.log: > > Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4395]: connect from > s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] > Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4395]: 6477A7CA5: > client=s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] > Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/cleanup[4396]: 6477A7CA5: > message-id= > Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/nqmgr[4386]: 6477A7CA5: > from=, size=878, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Jan 13 23:45:49 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4395]: disconnect from > s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] > Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4388]: connect to > qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out (port 25) > Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4388]: 0F5737EC3: > to=, relay=none, delay=378, status=deferred > (connect to qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out) > Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4389]: connect to > qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out (port 25) > Jan 13 23:46:52 beethoven postfix/smtp[4389]: 0998B7EC0: > to=, relay=none, delay=4437, status=deferred > (connect to qwerk.org[66.41.131.19]: Connection timed out) > > I'm not sure why the connection is timing out at the end there. > > Some instructions I read said that you shouldn't put the virtual domains in > the relay_domains directive if you're using postfix-style virtual domains. > For example, here's a quote from a "virtual" man page I found: > > # Do not specify virtual alias domain names in the main.cf > # mydestination or relay_domains configuration parameters. > > When I take littlecreektrees.com out of that setting I get: > > Jan 13 23:56:04 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: connect from > s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] > Jan 13 23:56:04 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: EF5177EBE: > client=s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] > Jan 13 23:56:04 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: reject: RCPT from > s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9]: 554 : > Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied; > from= to= > Jan 13 23:56:15 beethoven postfix/smtpd[4543]: disconnect from > s9-221.hopkins.k12.mn.us[198.174.221.9] > > So now it's rejecting relaying to my visi.com address. > > Any ideas? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Jan 14 11:59:24 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Was someone looking for DVD + RW media? Message-ID: Here's a sale: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0155304 10 for about $12.87 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Jan 14 13:10:35 2004 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT? Mail headers question Message-ID: <20040114191035.GB18379@fireopal.org> I'm trying to track down info on the following mail headers - who may have defined them, how widely used they are, stuff like that. The headers are: Thread-Topic: Thread-Index: In-Reply-To: Anyone have any suggestions or knowledge? My attempt at googling was not useful - I couldn't come up with a search criteria that didn't yield a million false positives. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jan 14 13:59:30 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT? Mail headers question In-Reply-To: <20040114191035.GB18379@fireopal.org> References: <20040114191035.GB18379@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20040114135930.A24067@baker.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 01:10:35PM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > I'm trying to track down info on the following mail headers - who may > have defined them, how widely used they are, stuff like that. The > headers are: > > Thread-Topic: > Thread-Index: > In-Reply-To: In-Reply-To is defined in the RFCs - http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2822.html - and it supposed to be present in most replies. I don't know about the others. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Jan 15 12:27:43 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Was someone looking for DVD + RW media? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:59:24 -0600 > From: Johnny Fulcrum > Here's a sale: > > http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0155304 > > 10 for about $12.87 I was looking, and that is a pretty good price, but I found a better one: CompUSA is selling 25-count cakeboxes of Memorex DVD+RW (2.4x) for $22.49 each. No rebates. They are sold out online and at many stores, but if you want to buy, go online, and it will show you which stores have them. I went to Woodbury last night and got three packs. Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stutterstutt at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 13:07:04 2004 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> I need help installing Linux on a notebook computer. Is there going to be an installfest soon? Background ========== I have a new laptop from hp, the nc6000. None of the distributions I've tried (Debian, Mandrake, Knoppix) work perfectly; each has flaws. Debian 3.0r1 installs but doesn't find any network adaptors (there are two: a Broadcom 10/100/1000 NIC and a wireless 802.11a/b/g adaptor). Mandrake 9.2 installs and finds the Broadcom NIC, but not the wireless. Other problems: sound is muted and the "troubleshooting" instructions don't seem to work (aumix is not available); wireless is not configured; power management is broken (says battery is at zero on fully-charged batter). XFree86 doesn't come up correctly unless the display is set to "vesa"; none of the Radeon display settings work but they should. Mandrake 10.0 (cooker 20031231) fixes the power messages, but power management isn't turned on in the kernel. Sound is still broken, wireless adaptor is still not found. Radeon (fbdev) doesn't work, but plain Radeon does. Internal modem not configured either (probably broken in 9.2 as well as other distributions, but have not confirmed). Knoppix 3.3 (booted from CD) doesn't find any network devices, but the sound works. Power doesn't. Specific Needs ============== Here is a numbered list of items where I need help. 1. I am not tied to a particular distribution and am willing to try another. Recommendations accepted. Otherwise I plan to stick with Mandrake 10.0 and get it to work. The devices I need to get configured are: 2. sound. ALSA snd-intel8x0 is the default module and it is loaded. The PCI ID is 8086:24c5:103c:0890, description is "ICH4 845G/GL Chipset AC'97 Audio Controller". The external light indicating MUTE is turned on, but pressing buttons to raise/lower volume or unmute have no effect. I have run a character-based mixer program (the usual troubleshooting advice say to run aumix but that is not installed!) and verified that volumes are up and nothing is muted except the microphone. What next? 3. Wireless network configuration. I really need this to work and am not sure what I need to do. The PCI ID is 168c:0013:0e11:00e5. 4. Need to enable power management options in Kernel and rebuild. Any advice is greatly appreciated. -Jeff -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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I had to download and compile drivers for RH9. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Nelson Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:07 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop I need help installing Linux on a notebook computer. Is there going to be an installfest soon? Background ========== I have a new laptop from hp, the nc6000. None of the distributions I've tried (Debian, Mandrake, Knoppix) work perfectly; each has flaws. Debian 3.0r1 installs but doesn't find any network adaptors (there are two: a Broadcom 10/100/1000 NIC and a wireless 802.11a/b/g adaptor). Mandrake 9.2 installs and finds the Broadcom NIC, but not the wireless. Other problems: sound is muted and the "troubleshooting" instructions don't seem to work (aumix is not available); wireless is not configured; power management is broken (says battery is at zero on fully-charged batter). XFree86 doesn't come up correctly unless the display is set to "vesa"; none of the Radeon display settings work but they should. Mandrake 10.0 (cooker 20031231) fixes the power messages, but power management isn't turned on in the kernel. Sound is still broken, wireless adaptor is still not found. Radeon (fbdev) doesn't work, but plain Radeon does. Internal modem not configured either (probably broken in 9.2 as well as other distributions, but have not confirmed). Knoppix 3.3 (booted from CD) doesn't find any network devices, but the sound works. Power doesn't. Specific Needs ============== Here is a numbered list of items where I need help. 1. I am not tied to a particular distribution and am willing to try another. Recommendations accepted. Otherwise I plan to stick with Mandrake 10.0 and get it to work. The devices I need to get configured are: 2. sound. ALSA snd-intel8x0 is the default module and it is loaded. The PCI ID is 8086:24c5:103c:0890, description is "ICH4 845G/GL Chipset AC'97 Audio Controller". The external light indicating MUTE is turned on, but pressing buttons to raise/lower volume or unmute have no effect. I have run a character-based mixer program (the usual troubleshooting advice say to run aumix but that is not installed!) and verified that volumes are up and nothing is muted except the microphone. What next? 3. Wireless network configuration. I really need this to work and am not sure what I need to do. The PCI ID is 168c:0013:0e11:00e5. 4. Need to enable power management options in Kernel and rebuild. Any advice is greatly appreciated. -Jeff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tnyberg at pressenter.com Thu Jan 15 13:28:00 2004 From: tnyberg at pressenter.com (Tim Nyberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and FileMaker Pro server Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Jan 15 13:31:32 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <4006EA94.3050502@andersonfam.org> Jeff Nelson wrote: > 1. I am not tied to a particular distribution and am willing to try > another. Recommendations accepted. Well OK - I'll offer a recommendation! I just finished instaling linux on my laptop - a Dell Inspiron 8500. I went through Redhat, Mandrake, and Debian with no success. Most of my problems were caused by the broadcom bcm4400 NIC - I'm assumming that this is the same chipset that your HP uses. On a whim, one afternoon, I decided to try Gentoo. Lo and behold, *everything* worked. Everything. I was so impressed by their distro that I'm starting to migrate several other boxes to gentoo. One thing to keep in mind is that Gentoo is not an *quick* distro to install by any stretch of the imagination. This is mainly because it is designed to download and compile itself from source. Gentoo does, however, provide excellent documentation on their website ( www.gentoo.org ). I'd be glad to help out if you have any questions. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JENTGES.NET Thu Jan 15 13:43:12 2004 From: mike at JENTGES.NET (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <1110.68.187.152.25.1074195792.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Must be the newer model? I have an nc600, (Compaq) and all but the LT Winmodem worked 'out of the box' using Slack 9. Might be worth a shot? -mj Here's what Jeff Nelson babbled earlier : > I need help installing Linux on a notebook computer. Is there going to be an > installfest soon? > > Background > ========== > I have a new laptop from hp, the nc6000. None of the distributions I've tried > (Debian, Mandrake, Knoppix) work perfectly; each has flaws. > > Debian 3.0r1 installs but doesn't find any network adaptors (there are two: a > Broadcom 10/100/1000 NIC and a wireless 802.11a/b/g adaptor). > > Mandrake 9.2 installs and finds the Broadcom NIC, but not the wireless. Other > problems: sound is muted and the "troubleshooting" instructions don't seem to work > (aumix is not available); wireless is not configured; power management is broken > (says battery is at zero on fully-charged batter). XFree86 doesn't come up > correctly unless the display is set to "vesa"; none of the Radeon display settings > work but they should. > > Mandrake 10.0 (cooker 20031231) fixes the power messages, but power management > isn't turned on in the kernel. Sound is still broken, wireless adaptor is still > not found. Radeon (fbdev) doesn't work, but plain Radeon does. Internal modem not > configured either (probably broken in 9.2 as well as other distributions, but have > not confirmed). > > Knoppix 3.3 (booted from CD) doesn't find any network devices, but the sound > works. Power doesn't. > > Specific Needs > ============== > Here is a numbered list of items where I need help. > > 1. I am not tied to a particular distribution and am willing to try another. > Recommendations accepted. > > Otherwise I plan to stick with Mandrake 10.0 and get it to work. The devices I > need to get configured are: > > 2. sound. ALSA snd-intel8x0 is the default module and it is loaded. The PCI ID is > 8086:24c5:103c:0890, description is "ICH4 845G/GL Chipset AC'97 Audio Controller". > The external light indicating MUTE is turned on, but pressing buttons to > raise/lower volume or unmute have no effect. I have run a character-based mixer > program (the usual troubleshooting advice say to run aumix but that is not > installed!) and verified that volumes are up and nothing is muted except the > microphone. What next? > > 3. Wireless network configuration. I really need this to work and am not sure what > I need to do. The PCI ID is 168c:0013:0e11:00e5. > > 4. Need to enable power management options in Kernel and rebuild. > > Any advice is greatly appreciated. > > -Jeff -- --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at JENTGES.NET Thu Jan 15 13:53:05 2004 From: mike at JENTGES.NET (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and FileMaker Pro server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1122.68.187.152.25.1074196385.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Here's what Tim Nyberg babbled earlier : > I am thinking about switching to a RH9 box to host a FileMaker server. This is a > mixed OS9/OSX/Windows environment. I could run this on an OSX box but I can get an > Intel system with RH9 for much cheaper. > > Looking for feed back, does anyone has this configuration running, any problems? I've got it running at one location on 6.2 still, and another on 7.2.... Not a money maker for me. Just runs too good. :) -mj > > Thanks > > Tim (Nyberg) - > tnyberg@pressenter.com > -- --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Jan 15 14:02:05 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: <4006EA94.3050502@andersonfam.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> <4006EA94.3050502@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:31:32 -0600, Erik Anderson wrote: > Jeff Nelson wrote: > >> 1. I am not tied to a particular distribution and am willing to try >> another. Recommendations accepted. > > Well OK - I'll offer a recommendation! I just finished instaling linux > on my laptop - a Dell Inspiron 8500. I went through Redhat, Mandrake, > and Debian with no success. Most of my problems were caused by the > broadcom bcm4400 NIC - I'm assumming that this is the same chipset that > your HP uses. > > On a whim, one afternoon, I decided to try Gentoo. Lo and behold, > *everything* worked. Everything. I was so impressed by their distro > that I'm starting to migrate several other boxes to gentoo. Me too! And I've put it on two dell laptops too. Smokes on my old P2 - 400. Gentoo rocks! > > One thing to keep in mind is that Gentoo is not an *quick* distro to > install by any stretch of the imagination. This is mainly because it is > designed to download and compile itself from source. Gentoo does, > however, provide excellent documentation on their website ( > www.gentoo.org ). > > I'd be glad to help out if you have any questions. > I also can help - but the gentoo forums should be your first stop - some real good guys/gals there - I've always been able to find answers to my questions on the forums. > -Erik > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Jan 15 14:02:10 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Being RAID-ready Message-ID: Hey everyone, I've just purchased a Dell PowerEdge 1750 server to run RequestTracker on here at work. We bought the RAID controller, but don't intend to use it quite yet. I don't have much experience with RAID and I'm wondering if it's possible to install Linux (probably Debian) on the system in such a way that plugging another drive in later would "just work." We're probably going to just do mirroring if or when we plug in another drive. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jan 15 14:27:35 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Jeff Nelson wrote: > 1. I am not tied to a particular distribution and am willing to try > another. Recommendations accepted. try gentoo, though it takes longer to install it is excelent with unusual hardware that needs software to be recompiled for support. > 2. sound. ALSA snd-intel8x0 is the default module and it is loaded. The PCI > ID is 8086:24c5:103c:0890, description is "ICH4 845G/GL Chipset AC'97 Audio > Controller". The external light indicating MUTE is turned on, but pressing > buttons to raise/lower volume or unmute have no effect. I have run a > character-based mixer program (the usual troubleshooting advice say to run > aumix but that is not installed!) and verified that volumes are up and > nothing is muted except the microphone. What next? if you are using alsa then it is muted by default try: alsamixer or alsamixer-gui and unmute and crank up the volume on both Master and PCM the alsa init scripts _should_ save the volume as it was at shutdown and reload them at bootup. > 3. Wireless network configuration. I really need this to work and am not > sure what I need to do. The PCI ID is 168c:0013:0e11:00e5. getting wireless to work is usually not a big problem IF the chipset is supported. > 4. Need to enable power management options in Kernel and rebuild. gentoo also supports ACPI, and while ACPI support in linux is lacking it is enough to to fiddle with the CPU throttling, and other nifty ACPI features. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Thu Jan 15 14:26:48 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Being RAID-ready In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4006F788.4070609@igi.com> Typically the mirror has to be setup before you start using the drives. I have heard of some raid controllers creating non-destructive mirrors from an existing hard drive though. I dont know how this raid controller handles it though. I also have one of the 1750 servers with debian on it. Its our mail server with 3x36gb drives in raid5. At the time I installed it, it was kind of a pain. I had to make a custom net install cd to support the raid controller and the onboard ethernet, which i think was broadcom, but I dont recall exactly. Tim Wilson wrote: >Hey everyone, > >I've just purchased a Dell PowerEdge 1750 server to run RequestTracker on >here at work. We bought the RAID controller, but don't intend to use it >quite yet. > >I don't have much experience with RAID and I'm wondering if it's possible to >install Linux (probably Debian) on the system in such a way that plugging >another drive in later would "just work." We're probably going to just do >mirroring if or when we plug in another drive. > >-Tim > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Jan 15 14:45:26 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <4006FBE6.2010804@cdf123.com> I may be able to help with the Mandrake side of things... Jeff Nelson wrote: > Mandrake 9.2 installs and finds the Broadcom NIC, but not the > wireless. Other problems: sound is muted and the "troubleshooting" > instructions don't seem to work (aumix is not available); wireless is > not configured; power management is broken (says battery is at zero on > fully-charged batter). XFree86 doesn't come up correctly unless the > display is set to "vesa"; none of the Radeon display settings work but > they should. The Radeon card is a Mobility Radeon, which is not a "True Radeon", and from what I've seen on mine, is frame buffers tend to screw them up. Check your boot loader and remove any options for vga=???, and use the radeon driver, fbdev will probably give you problems. You can install aumix as root with (urpmi aumix). Mandrake only supports a limited amount of wireless cards, I'd need to know the model and chipset to point you in the right direction for a driver... The APCI function on my laptop needs to be restarted after booting in order to work. Try running these in a script as root: /etc/rc.d/init.d/acpi restart /etc/rc.d/init.d/acpid restart This fixed my laptop. Add those a boot script or something... > Mandrake 10.0 (cooker 20031231) fixes the power messages, but power > management isn't turned on in the kernel. Sound is still broken, > wireless adaptor is still not found. Radeon (fbdev) doesn't work, but > plain Radeon does. Internal modem not configured either (probably > broken in 9.2 as well as other distributions, but have not confirmed). Frame buffers don't work well with laptop Mobility Radeon cards (see above), and this kinda shows that. The internal modem is a winmodem, I haven't worked with those yet. > 1. I am not tied to a particular distribution and am willing to try > another. Recommendations accepted. Good to hear... Even if you like a certain distro, you can still learn tricks from others. > 2. sound. ALSA snd-intel8x0 is the default module and it is loaded. > The PCI ID is 8086:24c5:103c:0890, description is "ICH4 845G/GL > Chipset AC'97 Audio Controller". The external light indicating MUTE is > turned on, but pressing buttons to raise/lower volume or unmute have > no effect. I have run a character-based mixer program (the usual > troubleshooting advice say to run aumix but that is not installed!) > and verified that volumes are up and nothing is muted except the > microphone. What next? For Mandrake, urpmi is your friend. (man urpmi) As root, type this command in (urpmi aumix). Get a volume mixer installed and see if the soundcard is really working or not. I have the same card in mine, and it works fine. 2.6 kernels with alsa default to zero volume at boot, so I'd check that. The extra buttons on your keyboard probably don't have a driver for XFree86, and if they do, Mandrake probably doesn't ship them, and if they do, they certainly wont have any bindings to them. I havn't gotten mine to work yet either, but I also havn't needed them. If you really want them available, google the XFree86 website and see if you can find some mention of them. > 3. Wireless network configuration. I really need this to work and am > not sure what I need to do. The PCI ID is 168c:0013:0e11:00e5. Not sure what to do with a PCI ID, a chipset, or make/model number would work though. The chipset is the key though... > 4. Need to enable power management options in Kernel and rebuild. Personally, the 2.6.x kernels are working so well for me that I won't be using Mandrake's kernel. I recommend building your own, or having someone help you. You'll have to get a good amount of hardware info before you do though. > Any advice is greatly appreciated. > > -Jeff Well I hope this helps a little... Good luck... Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Jan 15 14:55:40 2004 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've used Red Hat 9 and now Fedora 1 on a ThinkPad 600X. Video, sound and one of my wireless NIC's work first try. LinkSys WPC11v3 works, LinkSys WPC54G uses a BroadComm chip and does not. LinkSys PCMPC200 wired 10/100 card works too. Power use works, although doesn't show each battery separately when two are installed. Lucent modem was not tested. Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Jan 15 15:07:55 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Being RAID-ready In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040115150755.3272c3e6@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:02:10 -0600 Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I've just purchased a Dell PowerEdge 1750 server to run RequestTracker on > here at work. We bought the RAID controller, but don't intend to use it > quite yet. > > I don't have much experience with RAID and I'm wondering if it's possible to > install Linux (probably Debian) on the system in such a way that plugging > another drive in later would "just work." We're probably going to just do > mirroring if or when we plug in another drive. I cannot answer your RAID question, but I can tell you that installing Debian on a 1750 is a little bit of a headache. The default install disks do not recognize the NIC or SCSI controller. But, if you follow the detailed instructions here: http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ you should be good to go. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jan 15 15:07:49 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> <4006EA94.3050502@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <40070125.7060708@visi.com> OK Johnny, I believe I'm ready for Gentoo. I hope to improve the performance of the P266 Laptop I have. I have basic DSL this means a very long down load. I'll slap yall around in DoD but that's a horse of a different bandwidth. I have a CD burner now, WooHoo, but the netBSD download took about 16 hours :-( Any possibility of getting CD's with Gentoo from someone in exchange for blank CD's? Sam. Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:31:32 -0600, Erik Anderson > wrote: > >> Jeff Nelson wrote: >> >>> 1. I am not tied to a particular distribution and am willing to try >>> another. Recommendations accepted. >> >> >> Well OK - I'll offer a recommendation! I just finished instaling >> linux on my laptop - a Dell Inspiron 8500. I went through Redhat, >> Mandrake, and Debian with no success. Most of my problems were >> caused by the broadcom bcm4400 NIC - I'm assumming that this is the >> same chipset that your HP uses. >> >> On a whim, one afternoon, I decided to try Gentoo. Lo and behold, >> *everything* worked. Everything. I was so impressed by their distro >> that I'm starting to migrate several other boxes to gentoo. > > > Me too! And I've put it on two dell laptops too. Smokes on my old P2 > - 400. > Gentoo rocks! > >> >> One thing to keep in mind is that Gentoo is not an *quick* distro to >> install by any stretch of the imagination. This is mainly because it >> is designed to download and compile itself from source. Gentoo does, >> however, provide excellent documentation on their website ( >> www.gentoo.org ). >> >> I'd be glad to help out if you have any questions. >> > > I also can help - but the gentoo forums should be your first stop - > some real good guys/gals there - I've always been able to find answers > to my questions on the forums. > >> -Erik >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Jan 15 11:59:54 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Command/gui/utility to see what processes/users are using eth0, eth1 etc Message-ID: Any one have suggestions on a utility to see what is using the net connection on a linux box. I just had my network port turned off in my cube because of "excessive traffic" - I was using bit torrent to get fedora isos for a project I'm working on - don't know if that tipped someone off, but now I'd like to see exactly what processes are hitting the network connection - thoughts? I have gkrellm2 running so I can see the traffic - just don't know what is generating it sometimes! thansk johnnyf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Jan 15 12:31:17 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: <40070125.7060708@visi.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> <4006EA94.3050502@andersonfam.org> <40070125.7060708@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:07:49 -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > OK Johnny, I believe I'm ready for Gentoo. I hope to improve the > performance of the P266 Laptop I have. > > I have basic DSL this means a very long down load. I'll slap yall > around in DoD but that's a horse of a different bandwidth. I have a CD > burner now, WooHoo, but the netBSD download took about 16 hours :-( > Any possibility of getting CD's with Gentoo from someone in exchange for > blank CD's? > FRom the Gentoo install guide (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1&chap=1): "...You can install Gentoo in many different ways. You can download and install from one of our LiveCDs (installation CDs), from an existing distribution, from a bootable CD (such as Knoppix), from a netbooted environment, etc...." You need no stinking CD.... > Sam. > > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:31:32 -0600, Erik Anderson >> wrote: >> >>> Jeff Nelson wrote: >>> >>>> 1. I am not tied to a particular distribution and am willing to try >>>> another. Recommendations accepted. >>> >>> >>> Well OK - I'll offer a recommendation! I just finished instaling >>> linux on my laptop - a Dell Inspiron 8500. I went through Redhat, >>> Mandrake, and Debian with no success. Most of my problems were caused >>> by the broadcom bcm4400 NIC - I'm assumming that this is the same >>> chipset that your HP uses. >>> >>> On a whim, one afternoon, I decided to try Gentoo. Lo and behold, >>> *everything* worked. Everything. I was so impressed by their distro >>> that I'm starting to migrate several other boxes to gentoo. >> >> >> Me too! And I've put it on two dell laptops too. Smokes on my old P2 >> - 400. >> Gentoo rocks! >> >>> >>> One thing to keep in mind is that Gentoo is not an *quick* distro to >>> install by any stretch of the imagination. This is mainly because it >>> is designed to download and compile itself from source. Gentoo does, >>> however, provide excellent documentation on their website ( >>> www.gentoo.org ). >>> >>> I'd be glad to help out if you have any questions. >>> >> >> I also can help - but the gentoo forums should be your first stop - >> some real good guys/gals there - I've always been able to find answers >> to my questions on the forums. >> >>> -Erik >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Jan 15 12:32:31 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: <40070125.7060708@visi.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> <4006EA94.3050502@andersonfam.org> <40070125.7060708@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:07:49 -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > OK Johnny, I believe I'm ready for Gentoo. I hope to improve the > performance of the P266 Laptop I have. > Use stage 1 - compile everything from scratch - and a lightweight WM like fluxbox... It'll take a week to compile everything I bet.... > I have basic DSL this means a very long down load. I'll slap yall > around in DoD but that's a horse of a different bandwidth. I have a CD > burner now, WooHoo, but the netBSD download took about 16 hours :-( > Any possibility of getting CD's with Gentoo from someone in exchange for > blank CD's? > > Sam. > > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:31:32 -0600, Erik Anderson >> wrote: >> >>> Jeff Nelson wrote: >>> >>>> 1. I am not tied to a particular distribution and am willing to try >>>> another. Recommendations accepted. >>> >>> >>> Well OK - I'll offer a recommendation! I just finished instaling >>> linux on my laptop - a Dell Inspiron 8500. I went through Redhat, >>> Mandrake, and Debian with no success. Most of my problems were caused >>> by the broadcom bcm4400 NIC - I'm assumming that this is the same >>> chipset that your HP uses. >>> >>> On a whim, one afternoon, I decided to try Gentoo. Lo and behold, >>> *everything* worked. Everything. I was so impressed by their distro >>> that I'm starting to migrate several other boxes to gentoo. >> >> >> Me too! And I've put it on two dell laptops too. Smokes on my old P2 >> - 400. >> Gentoo rocks! >> >>> >>> One thing to keep in mind is that Gentoo is not an *quick* distro to >>> install by any stretch of the imagination. This is mainly because it >>> is designed to download and compile itself from source. Gentoo does, >>> however, provide excellent documentation on their website ( >>> www.gentoo.org ). >>> >>> I'd be glad to help out if you have any questions. >>> >> >> I also can help - but the gentoo forums should be your first stop - >> some real good guys/gals there - I've always been able to find answers >> to my questions on the forums. >> >>> -Erik >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jan 15 15:47:04 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Command/gui/utility to see what processes/users are using eth0, eth1 etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I have gkrellm2 running so I can see the traffic - just don't know what is > generating it sometimes! netstat -a -t -e should tell you which tcp ports are in use by which user it helps to strech the xterm wide. -- Munir Nassar Systems Administrator RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Thu Jan 15 16:16:01 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Command/gui/utility to see what processes/users are using eth0, eth1 etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "netstat --inet -a -e -e -p" will show what has what ports open. I don't know how to find out the volume going through each port. -Steve On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:59:54 -0600 > From: Johnny Fulcrum > Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List > To: "tclug-list@mn-linux.org" > Subject: [TCLUG] Command/gui/utility to see what processes/users are > using eth0, eth1 etc > > Any one have suggestions on a utility to see what is using the net > connection on a linux box. > > I just had my network port turned off in my cube because of "excessive > traffic" - I was using bit torrent to get fedora isos for a project I'm > working on - don't know if that tipped someone off, but now I'd like to > see exactly what processes are hitting the network connection - > > thoughts? > > I have gkrellm2 running so I can see the traffic - just don't know what is > generating it sometimes! > > thansk > johnnyf > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > strayf@freeshell.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tom at 1337consulting.net Thu Jan 15 16:29:39 2004 From: tom at 1337consulting.net (Thomas J. Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Command/gui/utility to see what processes/users are using eth0, eth1 etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1074205779.19580.118.camel@daedalus.1337consulting.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From twurdock at wordesign.net Thu Jan 15 16:35:36 2004 From: twurdock at wordesign.net (Tom Wurdock) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba not working unless using DHCP Message-ID: Hello all, I have successfully installed debian on my main server here at home. I forgot my name in the process, but the server is running. I have an issue that is strange to me and very much over my head. If I use DHCP to configure my network, I can connect to my shares via samba from my windows box. If I hard-code my ip, gatewat, subnet, nameservers etc, I cannot connect. Wen hard-coded, I can get to the internet fine. Just Samba drops out. Any ideas? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Jan 15 18:06:33 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba not working unless using DHCP Message-ID: Hello all, I have successfully installed debian on my main server here at home. I forgot my name in the process, but the server is running. I have an issue that is strange to me and very much over my head. If I use DHCP to configure my network, I can connect to my shares via samba from my windows box. If I hard-code my ip, gatewat, subnet, nameservers etc, I cannot connect. Wen hard-coded, I can get to the internet fine. Just Samba drops out. Any ideas? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Thu Jan 15 20:28:16 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> (message from Jeff Nelson on Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:07:04 -0600) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <200401160228.i0G2SG405449@ecstasy.winternet.com> Jeff Nelson wrote: >I have a new laptop from hp, the nc6000. None of the distributions I've >tried (Debian, Mandrake, Knoppix) work perfectly; each has flaws. Try SuSE GNU/Linux. It has worked well for me on my laptops. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Thu Jan 15 20:18:29 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Being RAID-ready References: Message-ID: <400749F5.3010206@cleosci.com> Hi Tim: I've got a couple of Dell PowerEdge servers at my work. I set both up RAID 5 (PERC controller). Let me first say, "yes." You can set it up so you can simply plug another drive in later, and it will reconfigure itself to accomodate the addition. This would mean you are setting it up as a RAID system now. It will make needed adjustments later. However, it is my understanding with this system that you either a) set up RAID, or b) set up no-RAID and use the drives as a bunch of independent, "self-driven" drives. Do you only have one drive in the system? If so, there's no RAID ... period! If, on the other hand, you have at least two drives in the system, then there's no reason not to set up RAID now. There are options. You can mirror only, stripe only, or if you have at least 3 drives installed, stripe with parity. Does this help? Garrett Tim Wilson wrote: >Hey everyone, > >I've just purchased a Dell PowerEdge 1750 server to run RequestTracker on >here at work. We bought the RAID controller, but don't intend to use it >quite yet. > >I don't have much experience with RAID and I'm wondering if it's possible to >install Linux (probably Debian) on the system in such a way that plugging >another drive in later would "just work." We're probably going to just do >mirroring if or when we plug in another drive. > >-Tim > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jan 15 20:37:20 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT Message-ID: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> I recently reloaded my desktop a couple of weeks ago, and I can't figure out some issues. I did some googling, but didn't come up with conclusive answers. Tape drive: DDS-3 drive, physically installed correctly but with the mt commands I don't get any response. In Linux, it's as if the kernel is not seeing it. On the Windows side, it sees the drive fine. Do I need to recompile something into the kernel? Printing: Sine upgrading to Slack 9.1, I can't print from apps or the command line. I have lprng and CUPS installed, and I configured CUPS via the browser localhost:631 the same as I did on previous Slack level. I can print a test page fine, but can't from the command line. shawnf@fjorn:~$ lp -dhp960c bookmark.htm Status Information, attempt 1 of 3: sending job 'shawnf@fjorn+961' to hp960c@localhost connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1 cannot open connection to localhost - Connection refused Make sure the remote host supports the LPD protocol and accepts connections from this host and from non-privileged (>1023) ports Waiting 10 seconds before retry It's an HP960c printer connected to an HP JetDirect170 box. It worked previously on other levels, but isn't now. When I did some googling, there were some answers from entering a line into the cups config file, but they didn't help. That was the best answer I could find, others said that CUPS wasn't installed, to host file issues, etc. DVD+CD-R/W drive. I looked, but didn't see anything for configuring this drive to allow me the DVD capabilities. I have the line append="hdc=ide-scsi" in my lilo.conf for the writer, but I'd like to get the DVD portion working also... tldp's DVD how-to is dated back in 2000 and doesn't have this info. Finally, this is kinda odd.. When I scp a file over to another system, from within xterm I can't see the file when listing (ls -al, ls, etc) on the other system. But there's a white spot there where the file is. Tab completion picks it up and displays the files name. If I got to my Win2K system and look at it thru Putty, the file can be seen. This has happened to me on a couple of different files, and the file is at least readable to my id. Even root won't show the file, except under tab completion or thru Putty. I've been kind of stuck on these things the last couple of weeks, and spent some time searching on these but haven't come up with conclusive answers. Can someone give me some pointers on these things please? -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Jan 15 21:03:42 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] travan backup solution Message-ID: <20040115210342.038ef559@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> Due to a near fatal rm -r root mistake, I am looking to do a full system backup. I've been using rsync for most of my backups to a different system, backing up only certain directories like /home, /usr/local, /etc, etc. But I really want to make use of this old Travan SCSI tape drive I have. I have tried just using tar, but it almost always errors out due to device files or some other strange file. Anyone have any recommendations? Is it ok if the system is running while doing a full system backup to tape? Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Thu Jan 15 21:45:14 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] travan backup solution In-Reply-To: <20040115210342.038ef559@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040115210342.038ef559@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <200401152145.14561.bmaas@open-techsys.com> On Thursday 15 January 2004 09:03 pm, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Is it ok if the system is running while > doing a full system backup to tape? Mostly. But use the -X option to feed tar a list of locations not to backup. Some good canidates might be: /dev /proc /tmp /var/tmp The other caveot is live databases. Unless you have a speciallized script you pretty much have to shut down the database before backing it up. If you have an Oracle database especially that can't be shutdown then its time to go call your friendly Veritas rep. Oh yeah, one other thing I forgot. For completeness, the IDE tape devices are /dev/ht? (rewinding) and /dev/nht? (non-rewinding). Also there are severall good packages out there for doing backups that are much more robust than a tar wrapper but not as costly as Veritas. Frankly though most of my clients are currently very complex (Veritas) or very simple (tar + mt) so I've kind've lost track of what the alternatives are currently. I'd like to here what archiving programs everyone is using that fills in that middle ground. -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Thu Jan 15 21:36:31 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] travan backup solution In-Reply-To: <20040115210342.038ef559@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040115210342.038ef559@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <200401152136.31419.bmaas@open-techsys.com> First, which model and kernel version are you currently using? There were some nasty (think system lock up) bugs on some models up until about kernel v2.4.22. I think they were all IDE models (I had trouble with the "Hornet" 20/40 drive). Also, make sure your are writeing to the /dev/st? (rewinding) or /dev/nt? (non-rewinding) devices, where "?" is a number, probably zero. If you don't see either of those you don't have all the right drivers. Make sure you have SCSI, SCSI "generic" devices, and SCSI Tape devices. If you continue to have problems it might be worth a shot to try the Traven IDE driver as a module. Lastly, on one system I had to pass "-b 2" to tar to change the blocking factor to "2". To be quite honest I can't remember what that meant. On Thursday 15 January 2004 09:03 pm, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Due to a near fatal rm -r root mistake, I am looking to do a full system > backup. I've been using rsync for most of my backups to a different > system, backing up only certain directories like /home, /usr/local, /etc, > etc. But I really want to make use of this old Travan SCSI tape drive I > have. I have tried just using tar, but it almost always errors out due to > device files or some other strange file. > > Anyone have any recommendations? Is it ok if the system is running while > doing a full system backup to tape? > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Thu Jan 15 21:49:03 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] travan backup solution In-Reply-To: <20040115210342.038ef559@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040115210342.038ef559@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <200401152149.03267.bmaas@open-techsys.com> First, which model and kernel version are you currently using? There were some nasty (think system lock up) bugs on some models up until about kernel v2.4.22. I think they were all IDE models (I had trouble with the "Hornet" 20/40 drive). Also, make sure your are writeing to the /dev/st? (rewinding) or /dev/nt? (non-rewinding) devices, where "?" is a number, probably zero. If you don't see either of those you don't have all the right drivers. Make sure you have SCSI, SCSI "generic" devices, and SCSI Tape devices. If you continue to have problems it might be worth a shot to try the Traven IDE driver as a module. Lastly, on one system I had to pass "-b 2" to tar to change the blocking factor to "2". To be quite honest I can't remember what that meant. On Thursday 15 January 2004 09:03 pm, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Due to a near fatal rm -r root mistake, I am looking to do a full system > backup. I've been using rsync for most of my backups to a different > system, backing up only certain directories like /home, /usr/local, /etc, > etc. But I really want to make use of this old Travan SCSI tape drive I > have. I have tried just using tar, but it almost always errors out due to > device files or some other strange file. > > Anyone have any recommendations? Is it ok if the system is running while > doing a full system backup to tape? > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Jan 15 22:24:50 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 08:37:20PM -0600 References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> Shawn wrote: > I recently reloaded my desktop a couple of weeks ago, and I can't > figure out some issues. I did some googling, but didn't come up with > conclusive answers. > > Tape drive: DDS-3 drive, physically installed correctly but with the > mt commands I don't get any response. In Linux, it's as if the kernel > is not seeing it. On the Windows side, it sees the drive fine. Do I > need to recompile something into the kernel? Check if the kernel sees your tape drive controller: dmesg|more look for 'scsi' (assuming you have a scsi tape drive) also try 'cdrecord -scanbus'; this should work whether you're using scsi or ide-scsi (scsi emulation). You might need a kernel from the '/kernels' directory from the slackware iso > Printing: Sine upgrading to Slack 9.1, I can't print from apps or the > command line. I have lprng and CUPS installed, and I configured CUPS > via the browser localhost:631 the same as I did on previous Slack > level. I can print a test page fine, but can't from the command line. is lpd running? ps -ef |grep lp > DVD+CD-R/W drive. I looked, but didn't see anything for configuring > this drive to allow me the DVD capabilities. I have the line > append="hdc=ide-scsi" in my lilo.conf for the writer, but I'd like to > get the DVD portion working also... tldp's DVD how-to is dated back > in 2000 and doesn't have this info. do you have dvd+rw-tools package installed? it's under /slackware/ap/ > Finally, this is kinda odd.. When I scp a file over to another > system, from within xterm I can't see the file when listing (ls -al, > ls, etc) on the other system. But there's a white spot there where > the file is. Tab completion picks it up and displays the files name. > If I got to my Win2K system and look at it thru Putty, the file can be > seen. This has happened to me on a couple of different files, and the > file is at least readable to my id. Even root won't show the file, > except under tab completion or thru Putty. sounds like something strange with either your xterm or window manager. I suspect you wouldn't have this problem working from the console, ie, NOT running X11. (from X11, CTRL+ALT+F1, login and do your 'ls') -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Jan 16 00:49:10 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] travan backup solution In-Reply-To: <200401152149.03267.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <20040115210342.038ef559@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> <200401152149.03267.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <20040116004910.0e09564c@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:49:03 -0600 Ben Maas wrote: > First, which model and kernel version are you currently using? There were > some nasty (think system lock up) bugs on some models up until about kernel > v2.4.22. I think they were all IDE models (I had trouble with the "Hornet" > 20/40 drive). SuSE 8.1 with stock 2.4.19 kernel. The drive is a Seagate TapeStor 8GB/20GB. It's on SCSI, id no 5 I think. > Also, make sure your are writeing to the /dev/st? (rewinding) or /dev/nt? > (non-rewinding) devices, where "?" is a number, probably zero. If you don't > see either of those you don't have all the right drivers. Make sure you have > SCSI, SCSI "generic" devices, and SCSI Tape devices. If memory serves, last time I tried it I used /dev/st0 Thanks, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jan 16 06:08:56 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:24:50 -0600 Scot Jenkins wrote: > Check if the kernel sees your tape drive controller: dmesg|more > look for 'scsi' (assuming you have a scsi tape drive) > also try 'cdrecord -scanbus'; this should work whether you're using > scsi or ide-scsi (scsi emulation). You might need a kernel from the > '/kernels' directory from the slackware iso > cdrecord -scanbus picks up my DVD/CD-R/W drive but not my tape drive which is SCSI. When looking at dmesg, here is what I see aside from my cd/dvd drive: SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 I can hear the tape drive actuate as if in a self test once the kernel takes over and starts to work. What would I look for when recompiling the kernel to turn it on? Slack released a kernel security message not that long ago, so I suppose that and the SCSI tape issue would give me good reasons to recompile/build a new kernel. > is lpd running? ps -ef |grep lp > No. When I start lpd then try to print I get the message below. lpd is set to start automatically, but won't on boot. root@fjorn:/etc/rc.d# lp -dhp960c rc.bind Status Information, attempt 1 of 3: sending job 'root@fjorn+3' to hp960c@localhost connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1 connected to 'localhost' requesting printer hp960c@localhost job 'root@fjorn+3' transfer to hp960c@localhost failed error 'NONZERO RFC1179 ERROR CODE FROM SERVER' with ack 'ACK_FAIL' sending str '^Bhp960c' to hp960c@localhost error msg: 'spool queue for 'hp960c' does not exist on server fjorn.int.mn-ttkd.org' error msg: ' non-existent printer or you need to run 'checkpc -f'' Waiting 10 seconds before retry if I do a checkpc -f then I get: root@fjorn:/etc/rc.d# checkpc -f Warning - hp960c: Bad printcap entry - missing 'sd' or 'client' entry? Did something change? Before we never had to create a printcap file, as CUPS did that. Here's the /etc/printcap file: root@fjorn:/etc# cat /etc/printcap # This file was automatically generated by cupsd(8) from the # /etc/cups/printers.conf file. All changes to this file # will be lost. hp960c|hp960c:rm=fjorn:rp=hp960c: > do you have dvd+rw-tools package installed? > it's under /slackware/ap/ > Yes, package is installed. I'm assuming it's a line change within lilo.conf such as to enable it, but not certain. I can't find any documentation on how to set it properly. > sounds like something strange with either your xterm or window > manager. I suspect you wouldn't have this problem working from the > console, ie, NOT running X11. (from X11, CTRL+ALT+F1, login and do > your 'ls')-- Yes, I can see the files that way. Also, I just tried a standard "su" without the - to see if I can see the files and I can. Must be something with the color set to display the files. The files I can't see are anything with a .mpg or .mpeg extension. I'll see if I can track down how to change these settings. Thanks for the assistance Scot. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jan 16 07:16:51 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Shawn wrote: > cdrecord -scanbus picks up my DVD/CD-R/W drive but not my tape drive > which is SCSI. > > When looking at dmesg, here is what I see aside from my cd/dvd drive: > > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 > kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 > kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 > > I can hear the tape drive actuate as if in a self test once the kernel > takes over and starts to work. What would I look for when recompiling > the kernel to turn it on? Slack released a kernel security message > not that long ago, so I suppose that and the SCSI tape issue would > give me good reasons to recompile/build a new kernel. i have not been following this thread, but have you tried modprobe st? -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jan 16 07:57:13 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040116075713.36fa80f5.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:16:51 -0600 (CST) Munir Nassar wrote: > i have not been following this thread, but have you tried modprobe > st? root@fjorn:~# modprobe st root@fjorn:~# lsmod Module Size Used by Not tainted st 27820 0 (unused) snd-pcm-oss 37252 0 (unused) snd-mixer-oss 11992 0 [snd-pcm-oss] uhci 24496 0 (unused) ehci-hcd 16872 0 (unused) usbcore 58400 1 [uhci ehci-hcd] snd-emu10k1 60212 0 snd-pcm 55904 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-emu10k1] snd-timer 13252 0 [snd-pcm] snd-hwdep 4672 0 [snd-emu10k1] snd-util-mem 1136 0 [snd-emu10k1] snd-page-alloc 6004 0 [snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm] snd-rawmidi 12512 0 [snd-emu10k1] snd-seq-device 3920 0 [snd-emu10k1 snd-rawmidi] snd-ac97-codec 37240 0 [snd-emu10k1] snd 27460 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm snd-timer snd-hwdep snd-util-mem snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device snd-ac97-codec] soundcore 3332 6 [snd] emu10k1-gp 1352 0 (unused) gameport 1452 0 [emu10k1-gp] tulip 40928 1 crc32 2880 0 [tulip] ide-scsi 9424 0 agpgart 39576 0 (unused) root@fjorn:~# mt status /dev/tape: No such file or directory root@fjorn:~# mt -f /dev/st0 status /dev/st0: No such device root@fjorn:~# ls -al /dev/st0 crw-r----- 1 root disk 9, 0 Jul 18 1994 /dev/st0 `modprobe st` puts it into the dernel, but still fails to recognize /dev/rmt0 /dev/st0 or similar files as being tape devices. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Jan 16 08:01:33 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tonight Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3840@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Beer meeting tonight Herkimer on Lake and Lindale in uptown Check the website for details 6pm http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ bring a friend or 2 Dan Lansing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Jan 16 08:18:38 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tonight References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3840@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <4007F2BE.7090107@structural-wood.com> Lansing, Dan wrote: > Beer meeting tonight > Herkimer on Lake and Lindale in uptown > Check the website for details > 6pm > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > bring a friend or 2 > > > Dan Lansing > Does anyone have a sense of how smokey the Herkimer is? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Jan 16 08:32:41 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tonight Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3841@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Been there twice....don't remember it being very smoky...but then all I really remember of those 2 times was good food and my wives silverware was magnetically charged....:) Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Kent Schumacher Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:19 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tonight Lansing, Dan wrote: > Beer meeting tonight > Herkimer on Lake and Lindale in uptown > Check the website for details > 6pm > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > bring a friend or 2 > > > Dan Lansing > Does anyone have a sense of how smokey the Herkimer is? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Fri Jan 16 09:20:01 2004 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba not working unless using DHCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40080121.3010608@stonel.com> 1. typo in ip, gateway, netmask, etc? 2. typo in smb.conf? 3. firewall misconfigured? swat or webmin for GUI configs, or ifconfig, netstat for CLI may help Tom Wurdock wrote: > Hello all, > > I have successfully installed debian on my main server here at home. I > forgot my name in the process, but the server is running. > > I have an issue that is strange to me and very much over my head. If I use > DHCP to configure my network, I can connect to my shares via samba from my > windows box. If I hard-code my ip, gatewat, subnet, nameservers etc, I > cannot connect. Wen hard-coded, I can get to the internet fine. Just Samba > drops out. Any ideas? > > TOm > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Jan 16 09:35:29 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba not working unless using DHCP Message-ID: Try setting the Samba box as your WINS server in the Windows network configuration dialogs. Might work *shrug*. >>> phptom@wordesign.net 01/15/04 06:06PM >>> I have an issue that is strange to me and very much over my head. If I use DHCP to configure my network, I can connect to my shares via samba from my windows box. If I hard-code my ip, gatewat, subnet, nameservers etc, I cannot connect. Wen hard-coded, I can get to the internet fine. Just Samba drops out. Any ideas? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Jan 16 10:10:59 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba not working unless using DHCP References: <40080121.3010608@stonel.com> Message-ID: <40080D13.2020608@cleosci.com> Are your DHCP options are setting your workgroup name? Perhaps you forgot to set that to match on the Windows box... Otherwise, within the smb.conf file there is a line where you can define allowable networks. It may be that you have defined this line, but that your allowable network addresses are not jiving with the hardcoded addresses you have set. Garrett > > Tom Wurdock wrote: > >> Hello all, >> ... snip ... >> If I use >> DHCP to configure my network, I can connect to my shares via samba >> from my >> windows box. If I hard-code my ip, gatewat, subnet, nameservers etc, I >> cannot connect. Wen hard-coded, I can get to the internet fine. >> Just Samba >> drops out. Any ideas? >> >> TOm >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Jan 16 10:36:35 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Web designer needed Message-ID: Hello all, I am posting a job opp since it seems many people are interested in them. August Ash, where I currently work, is seeking a designer/developer. Here's a rough description: Web Designer/Developer: August Ash, Inc. is currently seeking a highly creative website designer with a minimum of 2 years experience in designing and developing websites. Proficient use of Macromedia studio MX or later (i.e. Dreamweaver, Fireworks & Flash) is required. Must have a good working knowledge of HTML & Javascript. Experience using Adobe Photoshop & Illustrator are desired. Familiarity with languages such as ASP, PHP and/or ColdFusion are desired but not necessary. Duties would primarily consist of designing, developing and maintaining websites, flash presentations, and other various web-related content. Apply at: http://www.augustash.com/html/application/form.php Also, our hosting server is Linux. Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Fri Jan 16 10:44:10 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] travan backup solution In-Reply-To: <20040116004910.0e09564c@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040115210342.038ef559@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> <200401152149.03267.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <20040116004910.0e09564c@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <200401161044.10635.bmaas@open-techsys.com> On Friday 16 January 2004 12:49 am, Josh Trutwin wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:49:03 -0600 > > Ben Maas wrote: > > First, which model and kernel version are you currently using? There > > were some nasty (think system lock up) bugs on some models up until about > > kernel v2.4.22. I think they were all IDE models (I had trouble with the > > "Hornet" 20/40 drive). > > SuSE 8.1 with stock 2.4.19 kernel. The drive is a Seagate TapeStor > 8GB/20GB. It's on SCSI, id no 5 I think. Might want to try a kernel >=2.4.22, thats when the Traven fixes went in. However I don't remember that particular drive being mentioned. > > > Also, make sure your are writeing to the /dev/st? (rewinding) or /dev/nt? > > (non-rewinding) devices, where "?" is a number, probably zero. If you > > don't see either of those you don't have all the right drivers. Make > > sure you have SCSI, SCSI "generic" devices, and SCSI Tape devices. > > If memory serves, last time I tried it I used /dev/st0 That should be right. Does /dev/st0 exist? (type "ls -ld /dev/st0") You can also try looking the through the stuff in /proc/scsi (or /proc/bus/scsi) and see whether it sees the device or not and what driver its trying to use. > > Thanks, > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Jan 16 10:41:22 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba not working unless using DHCP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At this point ip/gateway/broadcast are all correct. firewall is open to samba traffic. smb.conf is correct in terms of worgroup spelling, etc. I need to start from the top and figure out what the hell is going on. Thanks for the suggestions. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chris.smith at apigroupinc.com Fri Jan 16 10:46:46 2004 From: chris.smith at apigroupinc.com (Christopher Smith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba not working unless using DHCP In-Reply-To: <40080D13.2020608@cleosci.com> Message-ID: I haven't followed the whole thread so forgive me if im repeating a suggestion... Are you using wins? If so, are you forgetting to assign the wins server when you do manual IP addressing? Christopher -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of gkrueger Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:11 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Samba not working unless using DHCP Are your DHCP options are setting your workgroup name? Perhaps you forgot to set that to match on the Windows box... Otherwise, within the smb.conf file there is a line where you can define allowable networks. It may be that you have defined this line, but that your allowable network addresses are not jiving with the hardcoded addresses you have set. Garrett > > Tom Wurdock wrote: > >> Hello all, >> ... snip ... >> If I use >> DHCP to configure my network, I can connect to my shares via samba >> from my windows box. If I hard-code my ip, gatewat, subnet, >> nameservers etc, I cannot connect. Wen hard-coded, I can get to the >> internet fine. >> Just Samba >> drops out. Any ideas? >> >> TOm >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Jan 16 10:54:24 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X-display issues Message-ID: <40081740.30507@cleosci.com> Hey All -- Happy Friday! Say, I have an odd one... I just built a new machine with an Nvidia GeForce 5200 card. I downloaded the LINUX driver for it, but here's the deal: if I install RH8, I can fire up X (Gnome, KDE, anything) just fine; however, if I install RH9, X won't start. It won't even install in graphics mode under RH9 (I even tried limiting resolution when installing -- you know "linux lowres" "linux resolution=640x480"). I wasn't aware there were such video changes between RH8 and RH9. Does anyone know of this and have any advice or fixes for me? Thanks! Garrett _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Jan 16 12:08:46 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: bad reply In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3840@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: Sorry all. Wrong folder I was replying to. /me needs coffee today. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jan 16 12:05:44 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X-display issues In-Reply-To: <40081740.30507@cleosci.com> References: <40081740.30507@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <20040116120544.20594bb3.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:54:24 -0600 gkrueger wrote: > Hey All -- Happy Friday! > > Say, I have an odd one... I just built a new machine with an Nvidia > GeForce 5200 card. I downloaded the LINUX driver for it, but here's > the deal: if I install RH8, I can fire up X (Gnome, KDE, anything) > just fine; however, if I install RH9, X won't start. It won't even > install in graphics mode under RH9 (I even tried limiting resolution > when installing -- you know "linux lowres" "linux > resolution=640x480"). > > I wasn't aware there were such video changes between RH8 and RH9. > Does anyone know of this and have any advice or fixes for me? > Only thing that I can think of are changes within the kernel and libraries. Although, I'm not quite sure on how you can install the driver for the system without an OS being on there. If you only pass the boot options from the CD on install, what happens? Do you get the X install? Also, if you load the entire OS from CD and not install the driver, can you get X to work? -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Jan 16 12:07:54 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3840@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: Check http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/sf/pentest/2003-02/0110.html for information on this technique. We use l0phtcrack on Windows to do the sniffing, but you could use the [free] versio of l0pht on Linux/Unix, or smbsniff on Linux/Unix, as well. (I think.) Enjoy :) > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Lansing, Dan > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:02 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tonight > > > Beer meeting tonight > Herkimer on Lake and Lindale in uptown > Check the website for details > 6pm > http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > bring a friend or 2 > > > Dan Lansing > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Jan 16 13:18:41 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] travan backup solution In-Reply-To: <200401152145.14561.bmaas@open-techsys.com> (message from Ben Maas on Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:45:14 -0600) References: <20040115210342.038ef559@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> <200401152145.14561.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <200401161918.i0GJIfg15282@ecstasy.winternet.com> On Thursday 15 January 2004 09:03 pm, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Is it ok if the system is running while > doing a full system backup to tape? Don't forget to remount filesystems read only (at least those that will not prevent the machine's primary purpose). The /usr filesystem is an example of a filesystem that can be primarily mounted read only. It only needs to be mounted read/write when upgrading the system. Also, try shutting down any non-critical services to reduce the amount of filesystem state changes while the backup is being done. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Jan 16 13:40:08 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> (message from Shawn on Fri, 16 Jan 2004 06:08:56 -0600) References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200401161940.i0GJe8V15471@ecstasy.winternet.com> Shawn wrote: >cdrecord -scanbus picks up my DVD/CD-R/W drive but not my tape drive >which is SCSI. > >When looking at dmesg, here is what I see aside from my cd/dvd drive: > >SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 >kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 >kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 >kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 > >I can hear the tape drive actuate as if in a self test once the kernel >takes over and starts to work. What would I look for when recompiling >the kernel to turn it on? Slack released a kernel security message >not that long ago, so I suppose that and the SCSI tape issue would >give me good reasons to recompile/build a new kernel. The tape drive may be responding to "broadcast" commands on the SCSI bus sent when the kernel is probing for devices. The kernel will never know the tape drive exists, unless the tape drive can respond to the probe. Did you say that the tape drive works in a MS Windows machine? I'll assume that your problems with it using GNU/Linux is on a second machine, so ... Try entering the SCSI card's bios and check for the tape drive. Be sure that the tape drive isn't using the same ID as some other SCSI device. (If so, one devive will respond quicker and the other will be ignored, usually.) To enter an Adaptec BIOS, type CTRL-A at power/reset. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Fri Jan 16 13:38:10 2004 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X-display issues In-Reply-To: <40081740.30507@cleosci.com> References: <40081740.30507@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <1074281889.4570.2.camel@bigtime> > Say, I have an odd one... I just built a new machine with an Nvidia > GeForce 5200 card. I downloaded the LINUX driver for it, but here's the > deal: if I install RH8, I can fire up X (Gnome, KDE, anything) just > fine; however, if I install RH9, X won't start. It won't even install > in graphics mode under RH9 (I even tried limiting resolution when > installing -- you know "linux lowres" "linux resolution=640x480"). GeforceFX 5200? Its probably too new. It take a while for a new XFree86 to trickle down. I'd recommend trying Fedora Core, or just do a textmode install of 9 and install the binary driver, or try upgrading to the latest XFree86. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jan 16 13:56:38 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X-display issues In-Reply-To: <1074281889.4570.2.camel@bigtime> References: <40081740.30507@cleosci.com> <1074281889.4570.2.camel@bigtime> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Callum Lerwick wrote: > GeforceFX 5200? Its probably too new. It take a while for a new XFree86 > to trickle down. I'd recommend trying Fedora Core, or just do a textmode > install of 9 and install the binary driver, or try upgrading to the > latest XFree86. FX5200 works fine with XFree86 4.3.0 and NVidia's binary driver. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stutterstutt at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 14:00:05 2004 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040114142928.048c9e88@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040116134844.01fb1008@pop3.norton.antivirus> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and offers of help. Last night I tried two things. First, I tried gentoo because I thought it would be cool to try to build a system from scratch. Unfortunately, gentoo's boot disk does not recognize the network adaptor (Broadcom BCM5705), and trying to manually add a driver (modprobe bcm5700, the closest match I could find) failed to load the driver. (I tried all the other network drivers I could find with the same results -- no eth0 device.) Also the boot sequence could not autoload modules for fan, thermal, button, battery and ac. (I booted with acpi turned on). So it looks like the boot kernel for gentoo isn't ready for this laptop yet. Second, I tried the SuSE boot CD. It picked a screen resolution of 800x600 rather than 1024x768, but both sound and network were enabled. I didn't look any further to see if the wireless 802.11b device was up or not. I did get the silly "battery at 0%" errors, so the battery management stuff doesn't work. More experimentation later today: I think I've decided that the acpi support in these kernels is not good enough, even in the 2.6 kernels. I'm going to try to leave acpi disabled so apm can run. I also want to try getting the sound on Mandrake to work one more time before I give up on it completely. There's at least one more thing I can attempt. I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that all of these distributions suffer from a common problem: they don't expect people to run them on laptops. -Jeff At 01:07 PM 1/15/2004, you wrote: >I need help installing Linux on a notebook computer. Is there going to be >an installfest soon? > >Background >========== >I have a new laptop from hp, the nc6000. None of the distributions I've >tried (Debian, Mandrake, Knoppix) work perfectly; each has flaws. > >Debian 3.0r1 installs but doesn't find any network adaptors (there are >two: a Broadcom 10/100/1000 NIC and a wireless 802.11a/b/g adaptor). > >Mandrake 9.2 installs and finds the Broadcom NIC, but not the wireless. >Other problems: sound is muted and the "troubleshooting" instructions >don't seem to work (aumix is not available); wireless is not configured; >power management is broken (says battery is at zero on fully-charged >batter). XFree86 doesn't come up correctly unless the display is set to >"vesa"; none of the Radeon display settings work but they should. > >Mandrake 10.0 (cooker 20031231) fixes the power messages, but power >management isn't turned on in the kernel. Sound is still broken, wireless >adaptor is still not found. Radeon (fbdev) doesn't work, but plain Radeon >does. Internal modem not configured either (probably broken in 9.2 as well >as other distributions, but have not confirmed). > >Knoppix 3.3 (booted from CD) doesn't find any network devices, but the >sound works. Power doesn't. > >Specific Needs >============== >Here is a numbered list of items where I need help. > >1. I am not tied to a particular distribution and am willing to try >another. Recommendations accepted. > >Otherwise I plan to stick with Mandrake 10.0 and get it to work. The >devices I need to get configured are: > >2. sound. ALSA snd-intel8x0 is the default module and it is loaded. The >PCI ID is 8086:24c5:103c:0890, description is "ICH4 845G/GL Chipset AC'97 >Audio Controller". The external light indicating MUTE is turned on, but >pressing buttons to raise/lower volume or unmute have no effect. I have >run a character-based mixer program (the usual troubleshooting advice say >to run aumix but that is not installed!) and verified that volumes are up >and nothing is muted except the microphone. What next? > >3. Wireless network configuration. I really need this to work and am not >sure what I need to do. The PCI ID is 168c:0013:0e11:00e5. > >4. Need to enable power management options in Kernel and rebuild. > >Any advice is greatly appreciated. > >-Jeff > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jan 16 14:57:43 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040116134844.01fb1008@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040116134844.01fb1008@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Jeff Nelson wrote: > I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that all of these distributions > suffer from a common problem: they don't expect people to run them on > laptops. I wouldn't say that. Many distributions run just fine on laptops; it just sounds like your laptop happens to have bleeding-edge hardware. Bleeding-edge hardware support for laptop stuff always seems to take longer than the desktop equivilents, probably because many people aren't using it yet. ACPI's a whole different beast - most problems with APCI are due to the hardware vendor tweaking their APCI tables for Windows, and the Linux ACPI guys then have to work around the problems that are introduced by those hacks. IF your laptop followed the ACPI specification 100%, chances are it'd work just fine under Linux. Again, it'll take a bit for your laptop to be supported, and if it's not a really common model, it may not be supported for quite some time (if ever). As far as your wireless card goes, it's most likely going to be one of the cards that there are no standard Linux drivers for. If that's the case, you may be able to use the Windows driver loader from: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/ to get it working. If you can provide the output of /sbin/lspci, we may be able to tell you what kind of card it is. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jan 16 15:27:44 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040116134844.01fb1008@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Jeff Nelson wrote: > Unfortunately, gentoo's boot disk does not recognize the network adaptor > (Broadcom BCM5705), and trying to manually add a driver (modprobe > bcm5700, the closest match I could find) failed to load the driver. (I > tried all the other network drivers I could find with the same results > -- no eth0 device.) I don't suppose they have tg3 available, do they? That should work, too (/better?) for the bcm5705 chipset[1]. Jima 1. http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2003-January/022966.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 16 15:37:32 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing Linux on hp nc6000 laptop In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20040116134844.01fb1008@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:57:43 -0600 (CST), Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Jeff Nelson wrote: >> I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that all of these distributions >> suffer from a common problem: they don't expect people to run them on >> laptops. > Humm... did you try Lycoris? www.lycoris.com and www.lycoris.org I know they have a tablet edidtion..... might be worth a try. > I wouldn't say that. > > Many distributions run just fine on laptops; it just sounds like your > laptop happens to have bleeding-edge hardware. Bleeding-edge hardware > support for laptop stuff always seems to take longer than the desktop > equivilents, probably because many people aren't using it yet. > > ACPI's a whole different beast - most problems with APCI are due to the > hardware vendor tweaking their APCI tables for Windows, and the Linux > ACPI > guys then have to work around the problems that are introduced by those > hacks. IF your laptop followed the ACPI specification 100%, chances are > it'd work just fine under Linux. Again, it'll take a bit for your laptop > to be supported, and if it's not a really common model, it may not be > supported for quite some time (if ever). > > As far as your wireless card goes, it's most likely going to be one of > the > cards that there are no standard Linux drivers for. If that's the case, > you may be able to use the Windows driver loader from: > > http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/ > > to get it working. If you can provide the output of /sbin/lspci, we may > be > able to tell you what kind of card it is. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Jan 16 16:23:55 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 06:08:56AM -0600 References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040116162355.C9433@thinkunix.net> Shawn wrote: > cdrecord -scanbus picks up my DVD/CD-R/W drive but not my tape drive > which is SCSI. it's probably seeing the dvd/cdrw via ide-scsi module but if the kernel fails to recoginize your scsi controller card, it surely won't see the scsi tape drive. what scsi card are you using? > > is lpd running? ps -ef |grep lp > > > No. When I start lpd then try to print I get the message below. lpd > is set to start automatically, but won't on boot. > > root@fjorn:/etc/rc.d# lp -dhp960c rc.bind > Status Information, attempt 1 of 3: > sending job 'root@fjorn+3' to hp960c@localhost > connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1 > connected to 'localhost' > requesting printer hp960c@localhost > job 'root@fjorn+3' transfer to hp960c@localhost failed > error 'NONZERO RFC1179 ERROR CODE FROM SERVER' with ack 'ACK_FAIL' > sending str '^Bhp960c' to hp960c@localhost > error msg: 'spool queue for 'hp960c' does not exist on server > fjorn.int.mn-ttkd.org' error msg: ' non-existent printer or you need > to run 'checkpc -f'' Waiting 10 seconds before retry > > Warning - hp960c: Bad printcap entry - missing 'sd' or 'client' entry? I don't use CUPS but from this error, it looks like you haven't created the printer spool directory "sd". Try adding ":sd=/var/spool/lpd/hp960c" to /etc/printcap and make sure that /var/spool/lpd/hp960c exists and that it's group "lp" and mode 775 then restart lpd. > Yes, I can see the files that way. Also, I just tried a standard "su" > without the - to see if I can see the files and I can. Must be > something with the color set to display the files. The files I can't > see are anything with a .mpg or .mpeg extension. I'll see if I can > track down how to change these settings. try /etc/DIR_COLORS; you just need to change the color for that file extension, something like this should fix you up: .mpg 01;35 .mpeg 01;35 -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Jan 16 21:01:19 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need a stick of 256 MB PC100 to test a computer Message-ID: <20040117030119.GB3536@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Fri Jan 16 21:19:17 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mystery tcp ports appear!! Film at 11' Message-ID: <1075655156.20040116211917@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Friday, January 16, 2004 @ 9:17:44 PM Central Standard Time Hello, and a good day to you all. I run a couple slackware 9.1 boxes where I work for our Internet related services. I like to use nmap to make sure I am running only the services I need. While nmap'n both these boxes today I noticed something I have not seen before. All of a sudden both boxes are listing this: Port State Service 1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931 also 690/tcp open unknown # this has also appeared on one of # boxes. I'm kinda concerned. I have not introduced, or turned on any new service. I did upgrade the kernel on both boxes to 2.4.24 since I last ran nmap I think. Could the new kernel be doing something with this port 1720? Or perhaps, someone it exploiting my machines? Hope not. I can't figure out the 690 port either. here are the ip's of the boxes in question 64.122.144.195 64.122.144.196 Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated to help solve my mystery. Many Thanks, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jan 16 21:52:25 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mystery tcp ports appear!! Film at 11' In-Reply-To: <1075655156.20040116211917@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1075655156.20040116211917@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <4434.68.112.123.230.1074311545.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > I work for our Internet related services. I like to use nmap to make > sure I am running only the services I need. While nmap'n both these > boxes today I noticed something I have not seen before. The first thing I'd do is run a 'netstat -anp |grep LISTEN' on the box in question. If these ports don't show up in netstat, but they do in nmap, you probably have a trojaned copy of netstat, a good indication that unwelcomed things are living on your box. If they do show up, you'll be able to see which processes are opening these ports. Usually this jogs memories and you'll remember that weird thing you installed because package A depends on it. Good luck! -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Jan 16 22:35:46 2004 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mystery tcp ports appear!! Film at 11' References: <1075655156.20040116211917@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <4008BBA2.9070106@cleosci.com> Check to see who (and from what IP) was the last to log into your machines (is the command also "last" under slack? 'not sure...). You could also look at /var/log/secure and /var/log/messages to see if anything odd has been happening over the past day or two. Garrett B_o_B wrote: >Friday, January 16, 2004 @ 9:17:44 PM Central Standard Time > >Hello, and a good day to you all. I run a couple slackware 9.1 boxes where >I work for our Internet related services. I like to use nmap to make >sure I am running only the services I need. While nmap'n both these >boxes today I noticed something I have not seen before. All of a >sudden both boxes are listing this: > >Port State Service >1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931 >also >690/tcp open unknown # this has also appeared on one of > # boxes. > >I'm kinda concerned. I have not introduced, or turned on any new >service. I did upgrade the kernel on both boxes to 2.4.24 since I last ran nmap I >think. Could the new kernel be doing something with this port 1720? >Or perhaps, someone it exploiting my machines? Hope not. >I can't figure out the 690 port either. > >here are the ip's of the boxes in question >64.122.144.195 >64.122.144.196 > >Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated to help solve my mystery. > >Many Thanks, > >Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >West Longitude 90' 15' 43" >http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Jan 16 23:37:32 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need a stick of 256 MB PC100 to test a computer In-Reply-To: <20040117030119.GB3536@iucha.net> References: <20040117030119.GB3536@iucha.net> Message-ID: <4008CA1C.6080001@visi.com> I have what your looking for, sort of. My kids machines each have a stick of 256MB PC100 in them. Don't go buying PC100 for $70! I'll pull one form one of the machines and replace it with 3 @ 64 MB. The change in word processing, web browsing, and playing music CD's performance will not even be noticed. $15 sound reasonable to me. When do you need it? Sam. Florin Iucha wrote: >Hello, > >Does anybody have a spare stick of 256 MB PC100? I need to test a >computer (Compaq Deskpro EN Small Form Factor) whose documentation >claims it accepts a maximum 256 MB of RAM. I need to test if that is >true or not, before buying some... It used to be $15 at General >Nanosystems, now it got to be $70. > >I need it for an hour or less (and I'm willing to drive a bit around >town). > >Thank you, >florin > >PS: I have an unused 256 MB PC2100, if you can/want to trade. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Jan 16 23:43:40 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off or On Topic - I'm not sure. Message-ID: <4008CB8C.8080809@visi.com> I'm don't a disposal on January 20th, I'm not sure what sort of machines I'll be picking up. If I get some of the DeskPro EN 400's (full size case) is anyone interested? (# They will NOT have hard disk drives #). If I get some 17 inch "CRT" displays is anyone interested? Let me know. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Jan 17 00:21:55 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba not working unless using DHCP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040117002155.64a9d0e4.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:35:36 -0600 "Tom Wurdock" wrote: > Hello all, > > I have successfully installed debian on my main server here at > home. I forgot my name in the process, but the server is running. > > I have an issue that is strange to me and very much over my head. > If I use DHCP to configure my network, I can connect to my shares > via samba from my windows box. If I hard-code my ip, gatewat, > subnet, nameservers etc, I cannot connect. Wen hard-coded, I can > get to the internet fine. Just Samba drops out. Any ideas? > Not sure if this has been resolved or not, but check your reverse DNS. I got burned on that a couple of months ago. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Jan 17 00:26:54 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Dude!] Message-ID: <4008D5AE.1090808@visi.com> I received the following from I guy I worked with for several years. I've never done what he is looking to do, I thought it best to forward this to the List. Yes I've told him to join the list. I want Tim to get the best advice so I'm posting this to the group. Sam, I do have a question, and if you've got the time to respond I'd be much obliged. My server setup is thus: hda has my O/S as well as all my data on different shares that I've created. hdb has one huge 120GB (roughly)partition with /tmp directory mounted to it. So, here's what I want to do. I want to copy all the data from hda to hdb. After that I'll install Fedora on hda and leave all the data on hdb. Do I just go into /etc/fstab and mount /tmp to somewhere on hda to get it off of hdb? Until later, Tim _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sat Jan 17 08:41:07 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Dude!] In-Reply-To: <4008D5AE.1090808@visi.com> References: <4008D5AE.1090808@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040117144107.GD3536@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Jan 17 10:32:27 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] For Florin Message-ID: <4009639B.4020008@visi.com> I keep getting a postfix error from my ISP (visi.com) when trying to send eMail to you The Postfix program : host mail.iucha.net[209.98.146.184] said: 554 : Client host rejected: Access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command) I'm not sure of any other way to contact you... Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Fri Jan 16 23:22:02 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Dude!] In-Reply-To: <20040117144107.GD3536@iucha.net> References: <4008D5AE.1090808@visi.com> <20040117144107.GD3536@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20040117052202.GA510@duron.turboland.com> On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 08:41:07AM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:26:54AM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > hda has my O/S as well as all my data on different shares that I've > > created. > > hdb has one huge 120GB (roughly)partition with /tmp directory mounted to > > it. > > So, here's what I want to do. I want to copy all the data from hda to hdb. > > After that I'll install Fedora on hda and leave all the data on hdb. > > > > Do I just go into /etc/fstab and mount /tmp to somewhere on hda to get it > > off > > of hdb? > > Mount your partition on hdb to something other than /tmp. If you > add that mount to fstab and reboot, some init scripts might try to clean up > /tmp for you. Bad! I agree, your buddy should be whipped at least 50 slashes, /tmp is a critcal part of your unix file system and not an arbitrary mount point. I find myself making mount points for arbitrary data stores like /hdb2 or: /mnt/hdb2 to reflect the physical partition they live on. then when you say cp -a /hdb2/mystuff /hdc4 it helps keep track of what harddrive/partition you are dealing with. And when you do a df command, you can associate that easily. > # Create a directory under /mnt > mkdir /mnt/all_my_files > # then mount your partition manually, replacing hdb1 with the actual > # partition number > mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/all_my_files > # copy all the files > cp -ax /home /mnt/all_my_files > cp -ax /other/stuff /mnt/all_my_files Florin, whats with the -x option? "stay on this file system" is what man cp tells me. But he is trying to copy from one file system to another, not only that but they are on different devices. So why would you use this option? On my debian unstable system it appears to do nothing when I try it: cp -ax /hda8/stuff /hdb6 It copies it over, no complaints. Looking at source code for cp, it appears to make some effort to not copy if this option is set, maybe it is a busted? Is this a trick question? Can I win a prize? Beer? > # unmount your files > umount /mnt/all_my_files > # if you are really paranoid, disconnect hdb while installing > > Cheers, > florin > > -- > > Don't question authority: they don't know either! So Sam, is your buddy trying to back up his GNU/Linux as well as his data on hda? You can do this, just don't try to copy /proc. /proc goes on forever if you try and copy it. So for example, he could copy over his existing system files over to the other harddrive as a backup and actually make it bootable just in case he wants to get back in to the old system. This takes a bit more work to arrange the bootloader to boot into it(and adjust /etc/fstab / setting), but it is doable. seeya, Karl. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sat Jan 17 11:50:28 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Dude!] In-Reply-To: <20040117052202.GA510@duron.turboland.com> References: <4008D5AE.1090808@visi.com> <20040117144107.GD3536@iucha.net> <20040117052202.GA510@duron.turboland.com> Message-ID: <20040117175028.GF3536@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Fri Jan 16 23:40:20 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Dude!] In-Reply-To: <20040117052202.GA510@duron.turboland.com> References: <4008D5AE.1090808@visi.com> <20040117144107.GD3536@iucha.net> <20040117052202.GA510@duron.turboland.com> Message-ID: <20040117054020.GA974@duron.turboland.com> On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 11:22:02PM -0600, Karl Bongers wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 08:41:07AM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:26:54AM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > cp -ax /home /mnt/all_my_files > > cp -ax /other/stuff /mnt/all_my_files > > Florin, whats with the -x option? "stay on this file system" is what > man cp tells me. But he is trying to copy from one file system to another, > not only that but they are on different devices. So why would you > use this option? > > On my debian unstable system it appears to do nothing when I try it: > cp -ax /hda8/stuff /hdb6 > It copies it over, no complaints. > > Looking at source code for cp, it appears to make some effort to not > copy if this option is set, maybe it is a busted? > > Is this a trick question? > Can I win a prize? Beer? > Karl, you ignorant meddling fool! The -x applies to the source, so if you do a cp -x / /hdb1/myrootbackup then it specifically does not copy /proc as you so ungracefully mentioned later in your long rant of a email. You are a troll, karl, get a life! RTFM! seeya, KarlsEvilTwin. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Jan 17 22:46:55 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP compile errors Message-ID: I can't get php to compile on my debian box. I get this error when I make: main/internal_functions.c:35: `phpext_xml_ptr' undeclared here (not in a function) main/internal_functions.c:35: initializer element is not constant main/internal_functions.c:35: (near initialization for `php_builtin_extensions[0]') main/internal_functions.c:36: `phpext_tokenizer_ptr' undeclared here (not in a function) main/internal_functions.c:36: initializer element is not constant main/internal_functions.c:36: (near initialization for `php_builtin_extensions[1]') main/internal_functions.c:37: `phpext_standard_ptr' undeclared here (not in a function) main/internal_functions.c:37: initializer element is not constant main/internal_functions.c:37: (near initialization for `php_builtin_extensions[2]') main/internal_functions.c:38: `phpext_session_ptr' undeclared here (not in a function) main/internal_functions.c:38: initializer element is not constant main/internal_functions.c:38: (near initialization for `php_builtin_extensions[3]') main/internal_functions.c:39: `phpext_posix_ptr' undeclared here (not in a function) main/internal_functions.c:39: initializer element is not constant main/internal_functions.c:39: (near initialization for `php_builtin_extensions[4]') main/internal_functions.c:40: `phpext_pcre_ptr' undeclared here (not in a function) main/internal_functions.c:40: initializer element is not constant main/internal_functions.c:40: (near initialization for `php_builtin_extensions[5]') main/internal_functions.c:41: `phpext_overload_ptr' undeclared here (not in a function) main/internal_functions.c:41: initializer element is not constant main/internal_functions.c:41: (near initialization for `php_builtin_extensions[6]') main/internal_functions.c:42: `phpext_mysql_ptr' undeclared here (not in a function) main/internal_functions.c:42: initializer element is not constant main/internal_functions.c:42: (near initialization for `php_builtin_extensions[7]') main/internal_functions.c:43: `phpext_ctype_ptr' undeclared here (not in a function) main/internal_functions.c:43: initializer element is not constant main/internal_functions.c:43: (near initialization for `php_builtin_extensions[8]') make: *** [main/internal_functions.lo] Error 1 Anyone seen this before? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Jan 18 13:35:54 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CIPE stopped working - Is Comcast blocking UDP packets? Message-ID: <2604.192.1.1.23.1074454554.squirrel@dccmn.com> I've been using Cipe for a VPN. All of a sudden, it's stopped working. I've checked everything and it boiled down to the fact that we're no longer receiving the Cipe UDP packets. I run tcpdump on the source systems and see them go out, and can't see them come in. I can see them go in the other direction. I've triple checked the iptables and the port is open. Even tried turning it off, but no joy. Even tried using other ports. They are just getting lost in the Internet somewhere. The only commonality I see from both remote sites is Comcast. Is it possible that Comcast is blocking unsolicited UDP packets? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Jan 18 15:03:59 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and Multihead problem Message-ID: <200401181503.59441.jpschewe@mtu.net> I've been using KDE with 2 monitors capable of 1600x1200 at work for quite some time and it works very well there. Now I've been really missing it at home, so I hooked up an older monitor that's only capable of 1280x1024 thinking that I could run some apps there that run at the lower resolution. However now I've found that KDE has done some funky scaling such that my monitor that's running at 1600x1200 no longer has as much display area, as if it's running at a lower res. It almost as if the fonts are all scaled wrong. I'm using Ximerama to get the big desktop. Anyone have any clues as to how to get my resolution back without buying a second hi-res monitor? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Jan 19 02:55:01 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unicode filenames in FreeBSD and Linux Message-ID: <20040119085501.GA72905@nan2d.com> Hello. I am having some problems with using unicode (Russian) filenames on my Li= nux workstation and my FreeBSD server. I use grip to rip and encode all my CDs, and some of them are Russian. No= w, when grip gets the CD information of off freedb.org it comes up with unicode n= ames for the tracks and other ID3 information. Using this information, it creates filenames that have the author and tra= ck name in them. Here is the dilema: When I view files, I get names like `:2564=E4:2564=EF' (Rissian F and ld)= and cannon access them. If I use scp to upload these files to my FreeBSD server, the= y show up as ????? in the console and as other cryptic names in the Samba share. If I go to my fathers PC that has native Russian support on Windows XP, a= nd I create a Russian char-set folder in a Samba share then I can see it in th= e Saba share (and read/write to it) but it still shows up as `:2564=E4:2564=EF' if I mount = the Samba share on Linux (Mandrake 9.2). I am using Windows XP SP1, FreeBSD 4.9-REL= EASE, and Linux (2.4.22-10mdk). Strange. Could someone please advise me on what to do about this please? Sorry if = this is extremely n00b, but I am not very familular to unicode and all that jazz. Thanks for your time. --=20 andrei bazhgin | aftermath programmer http://nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Jan 19 08:11:57 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off or On Topic - I'm not sure. In-Reply-To: <4008CB8C.8080809@visi.com> Message-ID: <002601c3de96$32dbc470$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > If I get some 17 inch "CRT" displays is anyone interested? We can probably use at least one more 17", let me know! Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Mon Jan 19 08:30:42 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old Laptops looking for a good home? Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3641@owa.compellent.com> I'd be interested in a monitor. Right now I only have a 15 at home (don't ask). It makes coming home from my 21" at work painful. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of rware@interplastic.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:12 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Old Laptops looking for a good home? > > On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Bob & Ruth Schilmoeller wrote: > > > laptops with me. I would be very appreciative if anyone > can point me to access > > to old (preferable pentium or >, not 3/486) laptops that > I could acquire for > > free or very cheaply. (<$100) > > Here is a link to some local auctions. http://www.smithmicrotech.com/auction/shop.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 1/13/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Mon Jan 19 09:04:19 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and Multihead problem In-Reply-To: <200401181503.59441.jpschewe@mtu.net> References: <200401181503.59441.jpschewe@mtu.net> Message-ID: <400BF1F3.2010106@igi.com> I am not experiencing this problem with my dual monitor box. Monitor 1 at 1280x1024. Monitor 2 at 800x600. The background isnt perfect, but I have all my screen real estate. Can you take screenshots of what your talking about? from both monitors? Jon Schewe wrote: >I've been using KDE with 2 monitors capable of 1600x1200 at work for quite >some time and it works very well there. Now I've been really missing it at >home, so I hooked up an older monitor that's only capable of 1280x1024 >thinking that I could run some apps there that run at the lower resolution. >However now I've found that KDE has done some funky scaling such that my >monitor that's running at 1600x1200 no longer has as much display area, as if >it's running at a lower res. It almost as if the fonts are all scaled wrong. >I'm using Ximerama to get the big desktop. Anyone have any clues as to how >to get my resolution back without buying a second hi-res monitor? > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Jan 19 09:13:38 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unicode filenames in FreeBSD and Linux In-Reply-To: <20040119085501.GA72905@nan2d.com> References: <20040119085501.GA72905@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040119151338.GA12741@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 02:55:01AM -0600, Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > I am having some problems with using unicode (Russian) filenames on my > Linux workstation and my FreeBSD server. In Soviet Russia, CDs rip you! -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skodak at cs.umn.edu Mon Jan 19 16:16:58 2004 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH sessions Message-ID: Hi, I have a linux box which runs sshd. This is my server. I ssh to that machine to work remotely from home. This client again is a linux box. If I leave the session idle for sometime the ssh session gets disconnected. Is there anyway to prevent this? The server runs RH 7.1 and the client runs RH 9.0. Thanks for the help. Sreekumar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Jan 19 16:35:15 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH sessions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040119223515.GA78102@nan2d.com> man sshd_config and look for the secions `ClientAliveInterval' and `ClientAliveCountMax', this option applies to protocol version 2 only. On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:16:58PM -0600, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi, > > I have a linux box which runs sshd. This is my server. I ssh to that > machine to work remotely from home. This client again is a linux box. If I > leave the session idle for sometime the ssh session gets disconnected. > Is there anyway to prevent this? The server runs RH 7.1 and the client > runs RH 9.0. > > Thanks for the help. > > Sreekumar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath programmer http://nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jan 19 16:58:30 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH sessions In-Reply-To: <20040119223515.GA78102@nan2d.com> Message-ID: | man sshd_config and look for the secions `ClientAliveInterval' and | `ClientAliveCountMax', this option applies to protocol version 2 only. I use ClientAliveInterval 30 ClientAliveCountMax 3 My ssh tunnel to home that used to disconnect hourly stays up for days now. Not sure if this is good or bad... ;) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jan 19 16:56:15 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: The Masses discover war driving... Message-ID: Cut from Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/nw040104.html Toronto police arrested Walter Nowakowski, 35, in November on several pornography counts as well as theft of services after an officer spotted him driving the wrong way on a one-way street at 5 a.m. According to police, Nowakowski was pantsless, with a laptop computer running in the front seat, as he drove slowly down streets in search of wireless Internet signals that he could use to download pornography. [Toronto Star, 11-21-03] Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Mon Jan 19 17:13:26 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH sessions In-Reply-To: <20040119223515.GA78102@nan2d.com>; from after@nan2d.com on Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:35:15PM -0600 References: <20040119223515.GA78102@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <20040119171326.A9398@thinkunix.net> could also be a firewall timing things out in between client/server. I have this problem with a Netgear wireless router that drops NAT'd connections after 6 hrs, even though they are active established connections. Debian has a "ProtocolKeepAlives" option (man ssh_config) which should help this although it hasn't worked so far with my Netgear. Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > man sshd_config and look for the secions `ClientAliveInterval' and > `ClientAliveCountMax', this option applies to protocol version 2 only. > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:16:58PM -0600, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a linux box which runs sshd. This is my server. I ssh to that > > machine to work remotely from home. This client again is a linux box. If I > > leave the session idle for sometime the ssh session gets disconnected. > > Is there anyway to prevent this? The server runs RH 7.1 and the client > > runs RH 9.0. > > > > Thanks for the help. > > Sreekumar -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Jan 19 17:32:47 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: The Masses discover war driving... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040119233247.GA87785@nan2d.com> ROFL! This is what drives (no pun intended) our twisted society. Cool, aint it? On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:56:15PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Cut from Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird > http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/nw040104.html > > Toronto police arrested Walter Nowakowski, 35, in November on several > pornography counts as well as theft of services after an officer spotted > him driving the wrong way on a one-way street at 5 a.m. According to > police, Nowakowski was pantsless, with a laptop computer running in the > front seat, as he drove slowly down streets in search of wireless Internet > signals that he could use to download pornography. [Toronto Star, > 11-21-03] > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > A password is like your underwear; Change it > frequently, don't share it with others, and > don't ask to borrow someone else's. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath programmer http://nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Jan 19 17:55:30 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401192355.i0JNtUO07123@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Fore ForeRunnerLE ATM PCI NIC This is a working pull. I have a Fore ForeRunnerLE 155Mb OC3 PCI ATM card with Multimode ST fiber connectors. It was pulled from a system, shelved, and now I am selling it. I don't have the equipment to test it so while it is presumed working, I will NOT guarantee its condition. I've found this card for sale for over $600 used, if interested make me an offer. -Brian http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Mon Jan 19 18:18:51 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: The Masses discover war driving... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <400C73EB.3020105@eworld3.net> Zibby, are you sure this is OT? Maybe his laptop was running Linux! ;-) Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Cut from Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird > http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/nw040104.html > > Toronto police arrested Walter Nowakowski, 35, in November on several > pornography counts as well as theft of services after an officer spotted > him driving the wrong way on a one-way street at 5 a.m. According to > police, Nowakowski was pantsless, with a laptop computer running in the > front seat, as he drove slowly down streets in search of wireless Internet > signals that he could use to download pornography. [Toronto Star, > 11-21-03] -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Jan 19 18:28:23 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Recommendations for a mobo Message-ID: <400C7627.5060401@structural-wood.com> My stepson is tired of using the piece-of-crap computer I made for him out of a previously seriously cooked motherboard, so I'm in the market for a new motherboard and video card. I'm looking for a mobo, a video card, and about 512K or RAM, and I want to get it at General Nano. I want it to have slots for an AGP card, Network card, TV card, sound card, and 3ware RAID card. My budget is $300. Obviously if quality sound, video, and NIC are on the motherboard and fully supported by linux, I would use those rather than my existing cards. I couldn't give a flying **** about Windows compatibility. Only Linux matters. So, what do all of you recommend? Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Jan 19 19:23:00 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: The Masses discover war driving... References: <400C73EB.3020105@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <400C80BC.8030702@structural-wood.com> It would make sense - Linux has support for almost all types of joystick now... Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > Zibby, are you sure this is OT? Maybe his laptop was running Linux! ;-) > > Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > >> Cut from Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird >> http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/nw040104.html >> >> Toronto police arrested Walter Nowakowski, 35, in November on several >> pornography counts as well as theft of services after an officer spotted >> him driving the wrong way on a one-way street at 5 a.m. According to >> police, Nowakowski was pantsless, with a laptop computer running in the >> front seat, as he drove slowly down streets in search of wireless >> Internet >> signals that he could use to download pornography. [Toronto Star, >> 11-21-03] > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Jan 19 19:55:38 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Recommendations for a mobo In-Reply-To: <400C7627.5060401@structural-wood.com> References: <400C7627.5060401@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <200401191941.08727.barnabas@knicknack.net> I've been quite happy with the couple Asus A7V8X-X mobos I've purchased recently. It has onboard network and sound. The only drawback is that they work best with ALSA sound drivers (instead of OSS). This particular version is for AMD processors, but I would guess they'd have an Intel version. I also got an off-brand (EVGA) nvidia GeForce4 MX440 based video card. It works quite well as long as you can put up with the binary only drivers. I got mine at newegg.com. I was impressed with their shipping speed. On Monday 19 January 2004 18:28, Kent Schumacher wrote: > My stepson is tired of using the piece-of-crap > computer I made for him out of a previously > seriously cooked motherboard, so I'm in the market > for a new motherboard and video card. > > I'm looking for a mobo, a video card, and about > 512K or RAM, and I want to get it at General > Nano. I want it to have slots for an AGP card, > Network card, TV card, sound card, and 3ware > RAID card. My budget is $300. > > Obviously if quality sound, video, and NIC are on > the motherboard and fully supported by linux, I would > use those rather than my existing cards. > > I couldn't give a flying **** about Windows compatibility. > Only Linux matters. > > So, what do all of you recommend? > > Kent > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Jan 19 20:16:04 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Recommendations for a mobo In-Reply-To: <200401191941.08727.barnabas@knicknack.net> References: <400C7627.5060401@structural-wood.com> <200401191941.08727.barnabas@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20040119200729.7c75a2ba@rachmaninoff.trutwins.homeip.net> [...] > So, what do all of you recommend? Actually a more interesting question might have been: What do people recommend you STAY AWAY from? Most mobos I've worked with are pretty good quality and Linux should work on most of them as well. My favorite brands are Soyo and Abit. My only real valuable recommendation is to stay away from AOpen video cards. 2 out of 3 that I worked with had fans that went bad. Eventually video would randomly barf (Windows or Linux). Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com Mon Jan 19 21:38:10 2004 From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mystery tcp ports appear!! Film at 11' In-Reply-To: <4434.68.112.123.230.1074311545.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <1075655156.20040116211917@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <4434.68.112.123.230.1074311545.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <16790072337.20040119211824@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Monday, January 19, 2004 @ 9:16:09 PM Central Standard Time B> The first thing I'd do is run a 'netstat -anp |grep LISTEN' on the box in B> question. If these ports don't show up in netstat, but they do in nmap, B> you probably have a trojaned copy of netstat, a good indication that B> unwelcomed things are living on your box. B> If they do show up, you'll be able to see which processes are opening B> these ports. Usually this jogs memories and you'll remember that weird B> thing you installed because package A depends on it. B> Good luck! B> -Brian Hello, and a good day to all. Many Thanks to those who responded to me. I did some more checking, and came up with more weird info. I was able to track down the mystery port 690. This was for some 3rd party bs I tried to install to be used with the webmail server. I never got it to work, so I took it out of their. Port 690 lives no longer. I still have a couple mysteries though: First I ran nmap from a machine at my house on the 2 boxes in question at work, and came up with this: box 1 in question: showed correct ports + mystery port 1720 box 2 in question: showed correct ports + mystery port 1720 I then ran nmap from Box 1. localhost reported = correct ports. did not show the mystery 1720, but showed port 953 now. box 2 showed the correct reading, did not show mystery port I then ran nmap from box 2 localhost reported = correct ports, but showed port 953 now box 1 showed the proper ports. no mystery port 1720, or no 953 for the record, the correct ports are box 1 = 21, 22, 25, 53, 80, 110, 143 box 2 = 22, 53 I then tried: netstat -anp | grep LISTEN on the boxes in question: box 1 reported: 21 22 25 53 80 110 143 & 953 (says named is using 953) box 2 reported: 22 53 & 953 This is my first time ever running a name server. I am using bind. Is this 953 port legit? I went through the the logs on both boxes, and didn't see anything funny. Why is it that port 1720 shows up when I scan the boxes from my house, and it doesn't show up when I check them locally? Am I in trouble, or just being paranoid? Many Thanks, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com ********************************************************* Friday, January 16, 2004, 9:52:25 PM, you wrote: >> I work for our Internet related services. I like to use nmap to make >> sure I am running only the services I need. While nmap'n both these >> boxes today I noticed something I have not seen before. B> _______________________________________________ B> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota B> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org B> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Jan 19 21:55:41 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mystery tcp ports appear!! Film at 11' In-Reply-To: <16790072337.20040119211824@b-o-b.homelinux.com> References: <1075655156.20040116211917@b-o-b.homelinux.com> <4434.68.112.123.230.1074311545.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> <16790072337.20040119211824@b-o-b.homelinux.com> Message-ID: <754CD8ED-4AFB-11D8-BA54-000A95B35200@botwerks.org> On Jan 19, 2004, at 9:18 PM, B_o_B wrote: > Monday, January 19, 2004 @ 9:16:09 PM Central Standard Time > > B> The first thing I'd do is run a 'netstat -anp |grep LISTEN' on the > box in > B> question. If these ports don't show up in netstat, but they do in > nmap, > B> you probably have a trojaned copy of netstat, a good indication that > B> unwelcomed things are living on your box. > > B> If they do show up, you'll be able to see which processes are > opening > B> these ports. Usually this jogs memories and you'll remember that > weird > B> thing you installed because package A depends on it. > > B> Good luck! > > B> -Brian > > Hello, and a good day to all. Many Thanks to those who responded to > me. > I did some more checking, and came up with more weird info. > > I was able to track down the mystery port 690. This was for some 3rd > party bs I tried to install to be used with the webmail server. I > never got it to work, so I took it out of their. Port 690 lives no > longer. > > I still have a couple mysteries though: > > First I ran nmap from a machine at my house on the 2 boxes in question > at work, and came up with this: > box 1 in question: > showed correct ports + mystery port 1720 > box 2 in question: > showed correct ports + mystery port 1720 > the BIND control channel (for rndc) often runs on port 953. the interfaces that it's available on are specified in your configuration. port 1720 is often used for h.323, if you have some gateway which is capable of doing the appropriate fixups for h.323 messages through NAT, etc. you might want to check on this. especially in light of the recently disclosed h.323 vulnerabilities. > I then ran nmap from Box 1. > localhost reported = correct ports. did not show the mystery 1720, > but showed port 953 now. > box 2 > showed the correct reading, did not show mystery port > > I then ran nmap from box 2 > localhost reported = correct ports, but showed port 953 now > box 1 > showed the proper ports. no mystery port 1720, or no 953 > > for the record, the correct ports are > box 1 = 21, 22, 25, 53, 80, 110, 143 > box 2 = 22, 53 > > I then tried: > netstat -anp | grep LISTEN > on the boxes in question: > box 1 reported: 21 22 25 53 80 110 143 & 953 (says named is using 953) > box 2 reported: 22 53 & 953 > > This is my first time ever running a name server. I am using bind. > Is this 953 port legit? > > I went through the the logs on both boxes, and didn't see anything > funny. > > Why is it that port 1720 shows up when I scan the boxes from my house, > and it doesn't show up when I check them locally? > > Am I in trouble, or just being paranoid? > > Many Thanks, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > ********************************************************* > > Friday, January 16, 2004, 9:52:25 PM, you wrote: > >>> I work for our Internet related services. I like to use nmap to make >>> sure I am running only the services I need. While nmap'n both these >>> boxes today I noticed something I have not seen before. > > > > B> _______________________________________________ > B> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > B> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > B> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Jan 19 23:11:00 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun4 Hard drive, anyone have one they will sell? Message-ID: <20040120050005.GA10426@nan2d.com> Hello. My friend and I (cleric, if anyone knows him) are gonna put together this Sun4 we have laying around. We need a hard drive for it that is cheep. It needs to be a SCA Sun SCSI and be over (or arround) two gigs. If anyone can offer one for cheep please do. -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath programmer http://nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Jan 19 23:35:56 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: The Masses discover war driving... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040120052654.GY15000@techmonkeys.org> Welcome to 2 months ago, please drive thru. On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:56:15PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Cut from Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird > http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/nw040104.html -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Tue Jan 20 04:26:33 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Recommendations for a mobo Message-ID: <1074593299.9df5f0e0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> I would have to second the Asus - I bought an A7N8X Deluxe (which includes Dual 10/100 LAN instead of whatever the X has- check, one may be better for you than the other) I bought from newegg.com about 6 months ago for $125 - the nForce2 chipset works under Linux fully, binary drivers only but oh well. I picked up a ATI 9600XT last week from Circut City for $150 after rebates - if not that then a 9600PRO should do just fine for quite some time, unless you want cheaper, then I'd get a GeForce 4 or 5200 - had a GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB in the ASus (selling to move to smaller case) and a 5200FX in my brother's eMachine, no problems with either one. Best way to determine if the board works with Linux is to simply google for the chipsets. Usually if there's drivers for the chipsets, that specific motherboard will work just fine. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Stanley To: TCLUG Mailing List Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:41:08 -0600 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Recommendations for a mobo I've been quite happy with the couple Asus A7V8X-X mobos I've purchased recently. It has onboard network and sound. The only drawback is that they work best with ALSA sound drivers (instead of OSS). This particular version is for AMD processors, but I would guess they'd have an Intel version. I also got an off-brand (EVGA) nvidia GeForce4 MX440 based video card. It works quite well as long as you can put up with the binary only drivers. I got mine at newegg.com. I was impressed with their shipping speed. On Monday 19 January 2004 18:28, Kent Schumacher wrote: > My stepson is tired of using the piece-of-crap > computer I made for him out of a previously > seriously cooked motherboard, so I'm in the market > for a new motherboard and video card. > > I'm looking for a mobo, a video card, and about > 512K or RAM, and I want to get it at General > Nano. I want it to have slots for an AGP card, > Network card, TV card, sound card, and 3ware > RAID card. My budget is $300. > > Obviously if quality sound, video, and NIC are on > the motherboard and fully supported by linux, I would > use those rather than my existing cards. > > I couldn't give a flying **** about Windows compatibility. > Only Linux matters. > > So, what do all of you recommend? > > Kent > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Jan 20 08:45:56 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun4 Hard drive, anyone have one they will sell? Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> after@nan2d.com 01/19/04 11:00PM >>> > Hello. Hi > My friend and I (cleric, if anyone knows him) are gonna put together this Sun4 > we have laying around. We need a hard drive for it that is cheep. It needs to be > a SCA Sun SCSI and be over (or arround) two gigs. > If anyone can offer one for cheep please do. I've got a pair of 2 gig drives out of a Sun SparcStation20 that you can have. I also have a pair of 4.3gb SCA drives that I can probably be pursuaded to sell. These should work in a Sun, but I had other troubles when I last attempted to install them into said SparcStation. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jan 20 08:57:30 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040116162355.C9433@thinkunix.net> References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040116162355.C9433@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040120083205.3e0c277e.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:23:55 -0600 Scot Jenkins wrote: > it's probably seeing the dvd/cdrw via ide-scsi module but if the > kernel fails to recoginize your scsi controller card, it surely > won't see the scsi tape drive. what scsi card are you using? > It's an Adaptec, althought I forget the model number. I'm not familiar with if one can load an adaptec module, if so what would it be? modprobe adaptec or something similar? This and the tape drive are the only scsi device in the system. > I don't use CUPS but from this error, it looks like you haven't > created the printer spool directory "sd". Try adding > ":sd=/var/spool/lpd/hp960c" to /etc/printcap and make sure that > /var/spool/lpd/hp960c exists and that it's group "lp" and mode 775 > then restart lpd. > Added the line and I get the following (I submitted one job, apologies on the formatting): root@fjorn:/etc/rc.d# lpstat -t scheduler is running system default destination: hp960c printer hp960c@fjorn unknown state. enabled since Jan 20 08:26 2004. available printer hp960c1@fjorn unknown state. enabled since Jan 20 08:26 2004. available Printer: hp960c@fjorn (dest hp960c@fjorn) Queue: 1 printable job Server: pid 13249 active Unspooler: pid 13287 active Rank Owner/ID Class Job Files Size Time active root@fjorn+610 A 303 /etc/hosts 626 08:26:26 done root@fjorn+610 A 262 /etc/hosts (above line repeats 33 times) 626 08:26:26 Error: loop in printcap- hp960c@fjorn.int.mn-ttkd.org -> hp960c@fjorn Printer: hp960c1@fjorn - ERROR: spool queue for 'hp960c1' does not exist on server fjorn.int.mn-ttkd.org non-existent printer or you need to run 'checkpc -f' root@fjorn:/etc/rc.d# ps aux|grep lp lp 7579 1.7 0.7 9308 7164 ? R 08:20 0:06 lpd Waiting lp 17268 41.0 0.8 9328 7400 ? R 08:26 0:00 lpd (Server) 'hp960c' lp 17329 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 08:26 0:00 [lpd ] lp 17330 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 08:26 0:00 [lpd ] > try /etc/DIR_COLORS; you just need to change the color for that file > extension, something like this should fix you up: > > .mpg 01;35 > .mpeg 01;35 I copied over the DIR_COLORS file from my Slack 9.1 to Slack 9.0 box. What happened is the mpg and mpeg files were being listed as white text which doesn't show up well on a white xterm background. =P Thanks. I was going to respond sooner, but parental duties kept me from working on this much. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Jan 20 09:22:23 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] daily activity log/blog suggestions Message-ID: Hi All- Probably a dumb question - but recent changes at work dictate that we need to keep better track of what we do with our time. I've tried using text file, oocalc/oowriter - but never felt those were the best solutions... I'd like something where I can enter info from anywhere (web based I guess...) and it will automagically add date and time , but group on a per date basis, and a nice interface for genreating reports on what was done during a range. Also would be neat-o if when entering a task maybe a category could be assigned. I've looked at some blogging tools, but there seems to be quite a few and some seem to be a bit too much over kill... anyone out there use a system that has said features? This will run off a linux box that is on all the time ans accessable from whereever I go! thanks johnnyf _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Tue Jan 20 10:10:53 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] daily activity log/blog suggestions Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B60A@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:09 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] daily activity log/blog suggestions > > > > Hi All- > > Probably a dumb question - but recent changes at work dictate > that we need > to keep better track of what we do with our time. I've tried > using text > file, oocalc/oowriter - but never felt those were the best > solutions... > > I'd like something where I can enter info from anywhere (web based I > guess...) and it will automagically add date and time , but > group on a per > date basis, and a nice interface for genreating reports on > what was done > during a range. Also would be neat-o if when entering a task > maybe a > category could be assigned. > > I've looked at some blogging tools, but there seems to be > quite a few and > some seem to be a bit too much over kill... > > anyone out there use a system that has said features? > > This will run off a linux box that is on all the time ans > accessable from > whereever I go! > > thanks > johnnyf > Paul Murphy of www.winface.com (seems to no longer exist) and who had a slew of *nix TCO articles on Linux World and wrote the Unix Guide to Defenestration used to have a script on his site that he used to track his time. You logged in via ssh or whatever to you box and he aliased a command to append a date and time stamp and what you were doing to a file. He later ran the file into excel for a report. I'm sure many of the more skilled people here could come up with a one liner to do the same. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Jan 20 10:25:06 2004 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] daily activity log/blog suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, if you're interested in learning about Zope, and already know or want to learn something about Python, then something that suits your needs as explained below should be fairly easy to set up. Zope does have a fairly steep learning curve, but once you get the hang of it, it's very powerful and you'll find all sorts of uses for it. www.zope.org would be a good place to start. There is a local Zope/Python users group which could probably help: http://www.zope.org/Members/tczpug I'd imaging that a little work with php and a database like mysql or postgresql would also get you a from scratch solution to suit your needs. There is also a local PHP users group: http://www.tcphp.org/ I don't know of any pre-existing application that does what you want right out of the box, but you may want to spend some time browsing freshmeat.net and sourceforge.net. It's amazing what you can find sometimes between those two sites. Jeff On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Hi All- > > Probably a dumb question - but recent changes at work dictate that we need > to keep better track of what we do with our time. I've tried using text > file, oocalc/oowriter - but never felt those were the best solutions... > > I'd like something where I can enter info from anywhere (web based I > guess...) and it will automagically add date and time , but group on a per > date basis, and a nice interface for genreating reports on what was done > during a range. Also would be neat-o if when entering a task maybe a > category could be assigned. > > I've looked at some blogging tools, but there seems to be quite a few and > some seem to be a bit too much over kill... > > anyone out there use a system that has said features? > > This will run off a linux box that is on all the time ans accessable from > whereever I go! > > thanks > johnnyf > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Jan 20 10:30:13 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: The Masses discover war driving... In-Reply-To: <400C80BC.8030702@structural-wood.com> References: <400C73EB.3020105@eworld3.net> <400C80BC.8030702@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <400D55EC.107@eworld3.net> LOL Kent Schumacher wrote: > It would make sense - Linux has support for almost all types of > joystick now... > > > > Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > >> Zibby, are you sure this is OT? Maybe his laptop was running Linux! ;-) >> >> Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: >> >>> Cut from Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird >>> http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/nw040104.html >>> >>> Toronto police arrested Walter Nowakowski, 35, in November on several >>> pornography counts as well as theft of services after an officer spotted >>> him driving the wrong way on a one-way street at 5 a.m. According to >>> police, Nowakowski was pantsless, with a laptop computer running in the >>> front seat, as he drove slowly down streets in search of wireless >>> Internet >>> signals that he could use to download pornography. [Toronto Star, >>> 11-21-03] >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Jan 20 10:35:05 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040120083205.3e0c277e.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 08:32:05AM -0600 References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040116162355.C9433@thinkunix.net> <20040120083205.3e0c277e.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040120102914.A16355@thinkunix.net> Shawn wrote: > It's an Adaptec, althought I forget the model number. I'm not > familiar with if one can load an adaptec module, if so what would it > be? modprobe adaptec or something similar? This and the tape drive > are the only scsi device in the system. I have an adaptec 2940 card. I had to use the kernel from /kernels/adaptec.s/ to get the card recognized at boot. Otherwise you can roll your own kernel. Get your cards model# and poke around in the kernels directory until you find one that works. There should be some README files in there that tell what each is for. > > Try adding > > ":sd=/var/spool/lpd/hp960c" to /etc/printcap and make sure that > > /var/spool/lpd/hp960c exists and that it's group "lp" and mode 775 > > then restart lpd. > > > Added the line and I get the following (I submitted one job, > apologies on the formatting): > > root@fjorn:/etc/rc.d# lpstat -t > scheduler is running > system default destination: hp960c > printer hp960c@fjorn unknown state. enabled since Jan 20 08:26 2004. > available printer hp960c1@fjorn unknown state. enabled since Jan 20 > 08:26 2004. available Printer: hp960c@fjorn (dest hp960c@fjorn) > Queue: 1 printable job > Server: pid 13249 active > Unspooler: pid 13287 active > Rank Owner/ID Class Job Files Size > Time active root@fjorn+610 A 303 /etc/hosts > 626 08:26:26 done root@fjorn+610 A 262 /etc/hosts > (above line repeats 33 times) > 626 08:26:26 Error: loop in printcap- > hp960c@fjorn.int.mn-ttkd.org -> hp960c@fjorn Printer: hp960c1@fjorn - > ERROR: spool queue for 'hp960c1' does not exist on server > fjorn.int.mn-ttkd.org non-existent printer or you need to run > 'checkpc -f' root@fjorn:/etc/rc.d# ps aux|grep lp > lp 7579 1.7 0.7 9308 7164 ? R 08:20 0:06 lpd > Waiting lp 17268 41.0 0.8 9328 7400 ? R 08:26 0:00 > lpd (Server) 'hp960c' lp 17329 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z > 08:26 0:00 [lpd ] lp 17330 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? > Z 08:26 0:00 [lpd ] perhaps you should abandon cups and try apsfilter. Personally I found it to be the easiest way to get a printer going under slackware. as root: cd /var/spool/lpd rm -rf cd /usr/share/apsfilter ./SETUP and follow the menu prompts on the screen. Let it overwrite your /etc/printcap (save a copy of your existing one if you're paranoid). Be sure to print the test page and you should be off and running. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Tue Jan 20 10:36:17 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: The Masses discover war driving... In-Reply-To: <20040120052654.GY15000@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <000e01c3df71$b91c8b60$2c00a8c0@aurvandil> When I heard about this two months ago, it was child porn he was downloading (and watching when he was pulled over.) Of course, that could be exagerated, but unfortunately this makes us all look a little bit creepier to the general public. Not to mention this just bothers me. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Matthew > S. Hallacy > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 23:27 > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: The Masses discover war driving... > > > Welcome to 2 months ago, please drive thru. > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:56:15PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski > (Zibby) wrote: > > Cut from Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird > > http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/nw040104.html > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, > BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public > key 0x01938203 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Jan 20 10:55:46 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH sessions In-Reply-To: <20040119171326.A9398@thinkunix.net> References: <20040119223515.GA78102@nan2d.com> <20040119171326.A9398@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040120164310.GA14657@fandre.com> On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Scot Jenkins wrote: > could also be a firewall timing things out in between client/server. > I have this problem with a Netgear wireless router that drops NAT'd > connections after 6 hrs, even though they are active established > connections. Debian has a "ProtocolKeepAlives" option (man ssh_config) > which should help this although it hasn't worked so far with my Netgear. > And if you aren't running debian, you can use spinner. http://www.gnu.org/directory/sysadmin/hookup/spinner.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skodak at cs.umn.edu Tue Jan 20 11:10:30 2004 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automatic Backups Message-ID: Hi, Is there a way in which one can backup ones home directory to another machine automatically without root access? I am working on a machine (RH 7.1) which is not backed up. I would like to backup my home directory to a machine (RH 9.0) where the disk is backed up. I dont have root access to both the machines. Also since the size of my home directory is big (Approx 10 GB), is there a way to backup only files which are modified after the last backup? Thanks for the help. Sreekumar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Tue Jan 20 11:51:08 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040120083205.3e0c277e.sfertch@real-time.com> (message from Shawn on Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:32:05 -0600) References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040116162355.C9433@thinkunix.net> <20040120083205.3e0c277e.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200401201750.i0KHomW12433@ecstasy.winternet.com> >On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:23:55 -0600 >Scot Jenkins wrote: >> it's probably seeing the dvd/cdrw via ide-scsi module but if the >> kernel fails to recoginize your scsi controller card, it surely >> won't see the scsi tape drive. what scsi card are you using? Shawn wrote: >It's an Adaptec, althought I forget the model number. I'm not >familiar with if one can load an adaptec module, if so what would it >be? modprobe adaptec or something similar? This and the tape drive >are the only scsi device in the system. The following will load the driver for all Adaptec PCI SCSI host adapters, and the 274x (EISA) and 284x (VLB) SCSI host adapters: modprobe aic7xxx There are other drivers for Adaptec SCSI host adapters based on ISA, PCMCIA, etc.: modprobe aha152x modprobe aha1542 ... Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Jan 20 12:00:29 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH sessions Message-ID: Or you could use: $ nice -n 19 top -d 60 or: $ nice -n 19 procinfo -f -n 60 to display some info while you're "keeping alive". >>> Clay Fandre 01/20/04 10:43AM >>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Scot Jenkins wrote: > could also be a firewall timing things out in between client/server. > I have this problem with a Netgear wireless router that drops NAT'd > connections after 6 hrs, even though they are active established > connections. Debian has a "ProtocolKeepAlives" option (man ssh_config) > which should help this although it hasn't worked so far with my Netgear. > And if you aren't running debian, you can use spinner. http://www.gnu.org/directory/sysadmin/hookup/spinner.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Jan 20 12:00:51 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automatic Backups In-Reply-To: ; from skodak@cs.umn.edu on Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 11:04:06AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040120114122.C16355@thinkunix.net> Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a way in which one can backup ones home directory to another > machine automatically without root access? I am working on a machine (RH > 7.1) which is not backed up. I would like to backup my home directory to a > machine (RH 9.0) where the disk is backed up. I dont have root access to > both the machines. Also since the size of my home directory is big > (Approx 10 GB), is there a way to backup only files which are modified > after the last backup? man rsync man dump -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Jan 20 12:12:36 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automatic Backups Message-ID: Sreekumar, Yes, with rsync. One way to do it is here: http://www.jdmz.net/ssh/ Let me know if anything is messed up, inaccurate, or whatever. Thanks, Troy >>> skodak@cs.umn.edu 01/20/04 11:04AM >>> Is there a way in which one can backup ones home directory to another machine automatically without root access? I am working on a machine (RH 7.1) which is not backed up. I would like to backup my home directory to a machine (RH 9.0) where the disk is backed up. I dont have root access to both the machines. Also since the size of my home directory is big (Approx 10 GB), is there a way to backup only files which are modified after the last backup? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jan 20 12:40:54 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401201832.i0KIWS023197@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Spare Parts Give-Away After a house-cleaning the likes of which has not been seen since the excavation of King Tut's tomb, I've found myself in possession of a large pile of unwanted electronics. The components are all in working condition, so it seems like a shame to haul it all the junk yard. So, if anyone's interested in taking the following off my hands, please send an email to dan@bayn.org as soon as possible. There's no charge, but there is one condition: you have to take everything. Getting rid of a few pieces doesn't help me much, I wanna be rid of the whole heap... 3 tower computers, at least partially functional 1 IBM scanner 1 NEC Versa 2405 laptop w/ battery 1 Toshiba "satellite" laptop 1 Apple Airport Base Station (broken) 2 computer monitors 1 NEC superscript 860 printer (no ink) 1 HP deskjet printer 2 mice 1 keyboard Of course, I wouldn't expect anyone to commit before they browse the stack. Just send me an email and we'll schedule a time to have you inspect the goods. Thanks, --Dan Bayn http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Tue Jan 20 12:48:01 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automatic Backups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <400D74FC.6090208@igi.com> Something I have recently begun to use is backuppc. Very slick program. Basically you setup a user for the backuppc software, then setup an ssh key for it to your user on the box you want backed up and it takes care of the rest, and has a nice web interface to restore files/directories. Its pooling features are awesome! saves a TON of disk space. I also use compression level 5 with it. I am currently backing up 21 machines, Linux and Windows boxen. If you decide to set it up, I would be willing to offer some help. http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: >Hi, > >Is there a way in which one can backup ones home directory to another >machine automatically without root access? I am working on a machine (RH >7.1) which is not backed up. I would like to backup my home directory to a >machine (RH 9.0) where the disk is backed up. I dont have root access to >both the machines. Also since the size of my home directory is big >(Approx 10 GB), is there a way to backup only files which are modified >after the last backup? > >Thanks for the help. > > >Sreekumar > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jan 20 13:11:11 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <200401201750.i0KHomW12433@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040116162355.C9433@thinkunix.net> <20040120083205.3e0c277e.sfertch@real-time.com> <200401201750.i0KHomW12433@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: <20040120130026.50b619f2.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:50:48 -0600 Ken Fuchs wrote: > The following will load the driver for all Adaptec PCI SCSI host > adapters, and the 274x (EISA) and 284x (VLB) SCSI host adapters: > > modprobe aic7xxx > Great! Thanks Ken. After I did a `modprobe aic7xxx` it loaded into the kernel, then I did a `modprobe st` and they both were successful. I can now do a successful `mt -f /dev/st0 status` and get a positive result back: SCSI 2 tape drive: File number=-1, block number=-1, partition=0. Tape block size 512 bytes. Density code 0x13 (DDS (61000 bpi)). Soft error count since last status=0 General status bits on (1010000): ONLINE IM_REP_EN Scot, Thanks for the hint on apsfilter. I'm not familiar with it as I've never used it before. I'll see if I can get it to work. I had to remove the previous printcap file and start over. But, I think it's going to work. I like this way a lot better than I do Cups setup. Not as pretty, but I like it better! Now I just gotta figure out my cd-r/w & DVD combo drive why I can't get DVD's to read from it... -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jan 20 13:25:57 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401201918.i0KJInv24165@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Looking for Wolfenstein I'm looking for a copy of Return to Castle Wolfenstein (for Linux of course). I saw it for sale at TuxGames but the price included shipping to the US and they were out of stock. Anyone want to sell me their old copy? I'll pay $15 or so... Brady http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Jan 20 14:16:01 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040120130026.50b619f2.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 01:00:26PM -0600 References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040116162355.C9433@thinkunix.net> <20040120083205.3e0c277e.sfertch@real-time.com> <200401201750.i0KHomW12433@ecstasy.winternet.com> <20040120130026.50b619f2.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040120140028.C9827@thinkunix.net> Shawn wrote: > Now I just gotta figure out my cd-r/w & DVD combo drive why I can't > get DVD's to read from it... are you trying to play encrypted DVD's? if so, you need libdvdcss package. I build it from source along time ago under Slackware 8.1 and it worked with xine. my build scripts are here, look under libdvdcss and xine directories: http://thinkunix.net/unix/os/linux/slackware/i386-mirror/8.1/thinkunix/source/ If you don't have checkinstall, just use "make install" where I have "checkinstall" in the build.sh scripts. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Jan 20 15:19:24 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040120142409.32a5fac9.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 02:24:09PM -0600 References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040116162355.C9433@thinkunix.net> <20040120083205.3e0c277e.sfertch@real-time.com> <200401201750.i0KHomW12433@ecstasy.winternet.com> <20040120130026.50b619f2.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040120140028.C9827@thinkunix.net> <20040120142409.32a5fac9.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040120150910.A14060@thinkunix.net> Shawn wrote: > Yep, encrypted movie dvd's or even data dvd's for that matter. How > does it work with the cd-r/w aspect? Is there anything within lilo > that I need to change? Right now I have it set to "hdc=ide-scsi" you definitely need libdvdcss for encrypted dvd movies. I'm not sure if there's anything special about dvd data cd-r type discs. I don't have any of those but I suspect you should be able to just mount them like regular cd-r/rw's. I don't recall having to add anything special to lilo.conf other then what you already have (hdc=ide-scsi). > For the time being, on the SCSI card and tape drive, I just put the > corresponding modprobe commands into my /etc/rc.d/rc.local file. I'll > try and pull down a new kernel in the next week or so and try and > build one (first time, so it'll be a bit hairy for me). I think the proper location is /etc/rc.d/rc.modules for slackware. You should be able to just uncomment the modules you need in there. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jan 20 15:42:50 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040120150910.A14060@thinkunix.net> References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040116162355.C9433@thinkunix.net> <20040120083205.3e0c277e.sfertch@real-time.com> <200401201750.i0KHomW12433@ecstasy.winternet.com> <20040120130026.50b619f2.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040120140028.C9827@thinkunix.net> <20040120142409.32a5fac9.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040120150910.A14060@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040120152627.0ddf8d2f.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:09:10 -0600 Scot Jenkins wrote: > you definitely need libdvdcss for encrypted dvd movies. I'm not > sure if there's anything special about dvd data cd-r type discs. I > don't have any of those but I suspect you should be able to just > mount them like regular cd-r/rw's. I don't recall having to add > anything special to lilo.conf other then what you already have > (hdc=ide-scsi). > Thanks, I'll look into it the next couple of days or so. Maybe tonight if I have time (hopefully). > I think the proper location is /etc/rc.d/rc.modules for slackware. > You should be able to just uncomment the modules you need in there. Dang.. I never really looked there. Been using Slack since 7.1 and learn something new every day! =) -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at math.umn.edu Tue Jan 20 16:14:05 2004 From: drake at math.umn.edu (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewire disks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040120220508.GA21527@math.umn.edu> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Jan 20 16:21:21 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I think I'm going to lose it Message-ID: <001101c3dfa3$412430e0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Ugh, every time I turn around I have to do something else that's all funky or undocumented or a big long process just to get the simplest things working with linux, it's slowly driving me insane. THIS IS A VENT THREAD. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR HELP, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT I'M DOING WRONG, I JUST WANT TO BITCH. I'm trying to get backuppc working, just so I can backup the damn server, and it's like pulling teeth. First the perl modules won't compile, which took 6+ hours to solve, then I can't figure out whether I have mod_perl installed or not, and even if I do it's telling me to change the init.d script and expecting that I magically know what's supposed to be changed??? WTF??? I'm supposed to be a programmer now too? The other option is recompiling perl, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BUNDLE OF FUN! This is all AFTER I managed to get odbc access to mssql 2000 and access files, lemme tell you that was a good time! Sometimes linux really impresses me, and sometimes I can't believe anyone could consider this a mature server platform. It *almost* makes me want to pay out the nose for M$ crap. (though I wouldn't get any support from them either! AND I'd have to learn ASP, fuck that.) I'm sad I missed the beer meeting, and I wish I'd be getting home before 8pm tonight. Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jan 20 17:06:10 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I think I'm going to lose it In-Reply-To: <001101c3dfa3$412430e0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <001101c3dfa3$412430e0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > I'm trying to get backuppc working, just so I can backup the damn > server, and it's like pulling teeth. First the perl modules won't > compile, which took 6+ hours to solve, then I can't figure out whether I > have mod_perl installed or not, and even if I do it's telling me to > change the init.d script and expecting that I magically know what's > supposed to be changed??? WTF??? I'm supposed to be a programmer now > too? The other option is recompiling perl, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BUNDLE OF > FUN! I know you don't want help, but under Debian (testing or unstable), you can just do apt-get install backuppc. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jan 20 17:07:14 2004 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewire disks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Is support for firewire external disks doing okay? Was it okay around > kernel 2.4.18? Does one have to be careful about firewire cards and/or > disks/enclosures, and if so what are the okay ones? I'm looking at an > external hard drive as a possible backup solution for a linux server. > Oh, and does it handle hot plugging okay? Firewire hardware does, but > does the software, or does it get confused? (Because this is a backup > solution, I'm looking for cheap rather than super-fast-server-grade > controller cards.) Works great on a drive I've got; worked with 2.4.18 IIRC. I've had a couple problems hotplugging (basically, sometimes the drives don't get detected, and you have to unplug/unload modules/replug); but nothing too major. > (I'm assuming firewire will outperform USB 2 for this application, but > it might not if the Linux support were bad enough; if I really should be > looking at USB 2 instead, then same question about USB 2 controller > cards. This old system is PCI bus but doesn't support such modern > things as USB or firewire on the motherboard.) USB2 should also be fine; the enclosure I've got does both. In my experience, it handles hotplugging a little better. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Jan 20 17:54:13 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I think I'm going to lose it In-Reply-To: References: <001101c3dfa3$412430e0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <5929ABAE-4BA1-11D8-8DBC-000A95B35200@botwerks.org> ahh yes, the infamous _if_you_used_distribution_X_you'd_be_so_much_better_off_response. i'm confident someone will shortly chime in with a package manager that wrappers the pain of another package manager apt2foo, foo2rpm and rpm2foo are all waiting in the wings to solve the problem. the problem isn't the inability to install backuppc or package/apt/rpm foo. it's support and documentation and polishing the rough edges to minimize folks pain. there's a lot of value in paying for somebody that provides support and documentation, that accepts enhancement requests and acts on them and can provide you with a roadmap. not to mention someone that provides a stable platform for folks to deliver 3rd party packages on top of. there are a lot of things that are simply best handled by a company that's getting paid to handle the mundane stuff. there's a good reason cygnus had customers willing to spend a lot of $$s for compilers and tools which were open source. they could give a roadmap and meet timelines for gcc. matt - i feel your pain and all i can say is that it's a constant tradeoff between putting a $ value on your time and the objective vs. finding an off the shelf solution. if you're wrappering your own solution well, find something you think is stable and figure out its intricacies. sorry. personally, i'd rather the OS and all of the assorted baggage stayed out of my way so i can focus on solving the problem. i've been a system administrator and i still have to play one on occasion in front of customers. but i've got far more interesting and profitable things to wrestle with than silly baseline functionality. ;-) On Jan 20, 2004, at 4:47 PM, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: >> I'm trying to get backuppc working, just so I can backup the damn >> server, and it's like pulling teeth. First the perl modules won't >> compile, which took 6+ hours to solve, then I can't figure out >> whether I >> have mod_perl installed or not, and even if I do it's telling me to >> change the init.d script and expecting that I magically know what's >> supposed to be changed??? WTF??? I'm supposed to be a programmer now >> too? The other option is recompiling perl, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BUNDLE >> OF >> FUN! > > I know you don't want help, but under Debian (testing or unstable), you > can just do apt-get install backuppc. :) > {snipped - misc. signatures} -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Jan 20 19:15:40 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I think I'm going to lose it In-Reply-To: <5929ABAE-4BA1-11D8-8DBC-000A95B35200@botwerks.org> References: <001101c3dfa3$412430e0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <5929ABAE-4BA1-11D8-8DBC-000A95B35200@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20040120190343.A10179@baker.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 05:35:36PM -0600, steve ulrich wrote: > > ahh yes, the infamous > _if_you_used_distribution_X_you'd_be_so_much_better_off_response. i'm > confident someone will shortly chime in with a package manager that > wrappers the pain of another package manager apt2foo, foo2rpm and > rpm2foo are all waiting in the wings to solve the problem. > > the problem isn't the inability to install backuppc or package/apt/rpm > foo. it's support and documentation and polishing the rough edges to > minimize folks pain. I think the point is that in this case the problem _is_ getting the dependencies for backuppc installed. That is the kind of polish that a good distribution provides. I am sure there are several distributions that would isntall backuppc easily. I also know from experience on Solaris that struggling with CPAN packages can be frustrating. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jbrabeck at comcast.net Tue Jan 20 19:26:56 2004 From: jbrabeck at comcast.net (Joe Brabeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quick Launch Bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My daugher somehow deleted the quick launch bar on her computer. OS= RH 9.0. Thought I was "knowledgeable", but I can't figure how to restore it. Help. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jan 20 19:45:23 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401210142.i0L1gRE31424@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: USB 2.0 Enclosure and 10 Gig HD USB 2.0/1.1 to IDE enclosure kit w/ 10 gig HD. Enclosure kit is 3 weeks old, barely used. HD is older. - Support UDMA 33/66 or ATA 100/133 CDROM, CD-D, CD-RW, DVD-ROM, DVD-RAM (copying from box) - has it's own power supply 100-240V It is nothing fancy, pretty generic enclosure kit. I believe the HD is IBM, it was pulled from my Compaq Presario PII 350 a number of years ago. $80/obo. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Jan 20 22:35:45 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and Multihead problem In-Reply-To: <400BF1F3.2010106@igi.com> References: <200401181503.59441.jpschewe@mtu.net> <400BF1F3.2010106@igi.com> Message-ID: <200401202226.32033.jpschewe@mtu.net> Sure. I didn't include the images on the list because they're big. They're available on the web here Single monitor http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/monitor/single.png Dual monitor http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/monitor/dual.png I've made sure to have the same webpage up in the web brower as a reference. The left monitor is running at 1400x1050 and the right monitor is running at 1600x1200 (which is the one that is in both pictures). On Monday 19 January 2004 09:04, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > I am not experiencing this problem with my dual monitor box. Monitor 1 > at 1280x1024. Monitor 2 at 800x600. The background isnt perfect, but I > have all my screen real estate. Can you take screenshots of what your > talking about? from both monitors? > > Jon Schewe wrote: > >I've been using KDE with 2 monitors capable of 1600x1200 at work for quite > >some time and it works very well there. Now I've been really missing it > > at home, so I hooked up an older monitor that's only capable of 1280x1024 > > thinking that I could run some apps there that run at the lower > > resolution. However now I've found that KDE has done some funky scaling > > such that my monitor that's running at 1600x1200 no longer has as much > > display area, as if it's running at a lower res. It almost as if the > > fonts are all scaled wrong. I'm using Ximerama to get the big desktop. > > Anyone have any clues as to how to get my resolution back without buying > > a second hi-res monitor? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Jan 20 23:58:48 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off or On Topic - I'm not sure. In-Reply-To: <002601c3de96$32dbc470$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <002601c3de96$32dbc470$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <400E1245.1070608@visi.com> Hi Matt, I have a bunch of Compaq V75 monitors, they run $25. Let me know, Sam. Matt Murphy wrote: >>If I get some 17 inch "CRT" displays is anyone interested? >> >> > > We can probably use at least one more 17", let me know! > >Matt > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Wed Jan 21 09:36:37 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and Multihead problem In-Reply-To: <200401202226.32033.jpschewe@mtu.net> References: <200401181503.59441.jpschewe@mtu.net> <400BF1F3.2010106@igi.com> <200401202226.32033.jpschewe@mtu.net> Message-ID: <400E989C.1050403@igi.com> From comparing the 2 screenshots it appears that only the font sizes have increased. Not all fonts, but alot of them. The sizes of all the borders and boxes looked correct. Your resolution is correct at 3000x1200 in your dual image, 1600 + 1400. I would think just changing the fonts to something smaller in the control center would fix the problem. I dont recall where Mozilla gets its font settings for the program, not the html rendering font settings. But I doubt the KDE control center font setting changes would effect Mozilla. Perhaps something with the X font server? Jon Schewe wrote: >Sure. I didn't include the images on the list because they're big. They're >available on the web here >Single monitor >http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/monitor/single.png > >Dual monitor >http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/monitor/dual.png > >I've made sure to have the same webpage up in the web brower as a reference. >The left monitor is running at 1400x1050 and the right monitor is running at >1600x1200 (which is the one that is in both pictures). > >On Monday 19 January 2004 09:04, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > >>I am not experiencing this problem with my dual monitor box. Monitor 1 >>at 1280x1024. Monitor 2 at 800x600. The background isnt perfect, but I >>have all my screen real estate. Can you take screenshots of what your >>talking about? from both monitors? >> >>Jon Schewe wrote: >> >> >>>I've been using KDE with 2 monitors capable of 1600x1200 at work for quite >>>some time and it works very well there. Now I've been really missing it >>>at home, so I hooked up an older monitor that's only capable of 1280x1024 >>>thinking that I could run some apps there that run at the lower >>>resolution. However now I've found that KDE has done some funky scaling >>>such that my monitor that's running at 1600x1200 no longer has as much >>>display area, as if it's running at a lower res. It almost as if the >>>fonts are all scaled wrong. I'm using Ximerama to get the big desktop. >>>Anyone have any clues as to how to get my resolution back without buying >>>a second hi-res monitor? >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Wed Jan 21 09:41:04 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun4 Hard drive, anyone have one they will sell? Message-ID: The 2 gb drives are free for the taking, I no longer have any use for them. They no longer have the Sun trays on them. Let me know if you need those, I can probably work something out. If you are interested in the 4.3gb drives, I'll have to put some thought into that. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> after@nan2d.com 01/21/04 02:23AM >>> How mutch do you want for them? If you dont want any money, then perhaps there is somthing we have that might interest you. Is there sutch a thing? If not, then we will accept you "offer" ;) Anyway, payment or no payment, I will talk to cleric about this. Thanks On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 08:34:59AM -0600, Bruce Broecker wrote: > > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > >>> after@nan2d.com 01/19/04 11:00PM >>> > > Hello. > > Hi > > > My friend and I (cleric, if anyone knows him) are gonna put together this Sun4 > > we have laying around. We need a hard drive for it that is cheep. It needs to be > > a SCA Sun SCSI and be over (or arround) two gigs. > > > If anyone can offer one for cheep please do. > > I've got a pair of 2 gig drives out of a Sun SparcStation20 that you can have. I also have > a pair of 4.3gb SCA drives that I can probably be pursuaded to sell. These should work > in a Sun, but I had other troubles when I last attempted to install them into said > SparcStation. > > Bruce > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Wed Jan 21 10:05:01 2004 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and Multihead problem In-Reply-To: <400E989C.1050403@igi.com> References: <200401181503.59441.jpschewe@mtu.net> <400BF1F3.2010106@igi.com> <200401202226.32033.jpschewe@mtu.net> <400E989C.1050403@igi.com> Message-ID: <400EA152.7010802@stonel.com> For Mozilla, typing about:config in browser location bar should bring up settings. If I recall, settings to look at are font.uifont.name and font.uifont.pointheight. Bob Jason Jorgensen wrote: > From comparing the 2 screenshots it appears that only the font sizes > have increased. Not all fonts, but alot of them. The sizes of all the > borders and boxes looked correct. Your resolution is correct at > 3000x1200 in your dual image, 1600 + 1400. I would think just changing > the fonts to something smaller in the control center would fix the > problem. I dont recall where Mozilla gets its font settings for the > program, not the html rendering font settings. But I doubt the KDE > control center font setting changes would effect Mozilla. Perhaps > something with the X font server? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Wed Jan 21 10:56:56 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unicode filenames in FreeBSD and Linux In-Reply-To: <20040119085501.GA72905@nan2d.com> References: <20040119085501.GA72905@nan2d.com> Message-ID: <400EADC4.6090803@eworld3.net> Have you tried the Unicode HOWTO? http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unicode-HOWTO.html Some HOWTOs are well written and some are not but this may give you some ideas or be a place to start. Andrei Bazhgin wrote: > Hello. > > I am having some problems with using unicode (Russian) filenames on my Linux > workstation and my FreeBSD server. > > I use grip to rip and encode all my CDs, and some of them are Russian. Now, when > grip gets the CD information of off freedb.org it comes up with unicode names > for the tracks and other ID3 information. > > Using this information, it creates filenames that have the author and track name > in them. Here is the dilema: > > When I view files, I get names like `:2564?:2564?' (Rissian F and ld) and cannon > access them. If I use scp to upload these files to my FreeBSD server, they show > up as ????? in the console and as other cryptic names in the Samba share. > > If I go to my fathers PC that has native Russian support on Windows XP, and I > create a Russian char-set folder in a Samba share then I can see it in the Saba share (and > read/write to it) but it still shows up as `:2564?:2564?' if I mount the Samba > share on Linux (Mandrake 9.2). I am using Windows XP SP1, FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE, > and Linux (2.4.22-10mdk). > > Strange. > > Could someone please advise me on what to do about this please? Sorry if this is > extremely n00b, but I am not very familular to unicode and all that jazz. > > Thanks for your time. > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Wed Jan 21 12:16:02 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unicode filenames in FreeBSD and Linux In-Reply-To: <400EADC4.6090803@eworld3.net> (message from Rick Meyerhoff on Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:50:12 -0600) References: <20040119085501.GA72905@nan2d.com> <400EADC4.6090803@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <200401211813.i0LIDq326056@ecstasy.winternet.com> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: >Have you tried the Unicode HOWTO? >http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unicode-HOWTO.html > >Some HOWTOs are well written and some are not but this may give you some >ideas or be a place to start. >Andrei Bazhgin wrote: >> I am having some problems with using unicode (Russian) filenames on >> my Linux workstation and my FreeBSD server. Are you certain that the filenames are encoded using UNICODE? Try setting your locale to Russian and see if the characters are readable. Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Jan 21 12:31:08 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unicode filenames in FreeBSD and Linux In-Reply-To: <400EADC4.6090803@eworld3.net> References: <20040119085501.GA72905@nan2d.com> <400EADC4.6090803@eworld3.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > I am having some problems with using unicode (Russian) filenames on my Linux > > workstation and my FreeBSD server. use mc to rename files -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Jan 21 13:00:08 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems Message-ID: <20040121125153.27bd3435@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> I have a laptop that is running Linux but I d not think this is a linux problem. Yesterday I powered off my old Gateway 5150 and today when I powered it back on, the LCD screen is EXTREMEMELY dark, almost completely black, but if you look very closely you can barely see the boot messages and the GDM login prompt when it comes up and I can SSH in. If I plug it into a monitor it looks fine too. No matter what I try I cannot get the brightness back to an even readable level. This occurs right from the BIOS messages so it has to be a hardware issue. Anyone have any suggestions? (Yes, I tried the brightness function keys) Anyone know of a good repair shop otherwise? I don't want to junk this thing as I spent so much time getting it just the way I like it. Thx, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Wed Jan 21 13:44:40 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems In-Reply-To: <20040121125153.27bd3435@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: Your backlight went out. An LCD has a lightbulb behind the screen (on many laptops, you can see the light itself if you look from the side, just between the bezel and screen. This is almost always covered by warranty, but a 5150 is way too old to be covered. You might be able to get a scrapped one with a functional screen off eBay. Otherwise, Gateway will probably still repair it, but they'll probably charge in the neighborhood of $300. Check with them before you lose all hope, though. Perhaps there are generic LCD backlights you can buy and install, too. I have no real idea about that. Sorry I don't have better news for you. John > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Josh Trutwin > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:52 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems > > > I have a laptop that is running Linux but I d not think this > is a linux problem. Yesterday I powered off my old Gateway > 5150 and today when I powered it back on, the LCD screen is > EXTREMEMELY dark, almost completely black, but if you look > very closely you can barely see the boot messages and the GDM > login prompt when it comes up and I can SSH in. If I plug it > into a monitor it looks fine too. No matter what I try I > cannot get the brightness back to an even readable level. > This occurs right from the BIOS messages so it has to be a > hardware issue. > > Anyone have any suggestions? (Yes, I tried the brightness > function keys) > > Anyone know of a good repair shop otherwise? I don't want to > junk this thing as I spent so much time getting it just the > way I like it. > > Thx, > > Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erick at nixbrain.com Wed Jan 21 14:14:32 2004 From: erick at nixbrain.com (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems In-Reply-To: <20040121125153.27bd3435@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040121125153.27bd3435@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <400ED81E.3050308@nixbrain.com> Josh Trutwin wrote: > I have a laptop that is running Linux but I d not think this is a linux problem. Yesterday I powered off my old Gateway 5150 and today when I powered it back on, the LCD screen is EXTREMEMELY dark, almost completely black, but if you look very closely you can barely see the boot messages and the GDM login prompt when it comes up and I can SSH in. If I plug it into a monitor it looks fine too. No matter what I try I cannot get the brightness back to an even readable level. This occurs right from the BIOS messages so it has to be a hardware issue. > > Anyone have any suggestions? (Yes, I tried the brightness function keys) > > Anyone know of a good repair shop otherwise? I don't want to junk this thing as I spent so much time getting it just the way I like it. > > Thx, > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > . > if you want a repair shop or part try chip heads (www.chipheads.com), i found a used internal CDROM for my compaq laptop and it even had DVD, they charged me $25. the richfield location is the one i called and went to. erick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Jan 21 14:15:23 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:37:02 -0600, John T. Hoffoss wrote: > Your backlight went out. An LCD has a lightbulb behind the screen (on > many laptops, you can see the light itself if you look from the side, > just between the bezel and screen. This is almost always covered by > warranty, but a 5150 is way too old to be covered. You might be able to > get a scrapped one with a functional screen off eBay. Otherwise, Gateway > will probably still repair it, but they'll probably charge in the > neighborhood of $300. Check with them before you lose all hope, though. > Perhaps there are generic LCD backlights you can buy and install, too. I > have no real idea about that. > > Sorry I don't have better news for you. > ' Ooo Ooo Ooo.... what was the name of that local Auction site? it was in a post a while ago... They had a bunch of junk laptops that were going for like $50 for like 10... I'll check my history file but someone may have it on the tip of their KB.... > John > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Josh Trutwin >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:52 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems >> >> >> I have a laptop that is running Linux but I d not think this >> is a linux problem. Yesterday I powered off my old Gateway >> 5150 and today when I powered it back on, the LCD screen is >> EXTREMEMELY dark, almost completely black, but if you look >> very closely you can barely see the boot messages and the GDM >> login prompt when it comes up and I can SSH in. If I plug it >> into a monitor it looks fine too. No matter what I try I >> cannot get the brightness back to an even readable level. >> This occurs right from the BIOS messages so it has to be a >> hardware issue. >> >> Anyone have any suggestions? (Yes, I tried the brightness >> function keys) >> >> Anyone know of a good repair shop otherwise? I don't want to >> junk this thing as I spent so much time getting it just the >> way I like it. >> >> Thx, >> >> Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jan 21 14:18:37 2004 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I think I'm going to lose it In-Reply-To: <5929ABAE-4BA1-11D8-8DBC-000A95B35200@botwerks.org> References: <001101c3dfa3$412430e0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <5929ABAE-4BA1-11D8-8DBC-000A95B35200@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <200401211357.22019@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 20 January 2004 5:35 pm, steve ulrich wrote: > i've been a system administrator and i still have to play one on > occasion in front of customers. but i've got far more interesting and > profitable things to wrestle with than silly baseline functionality. > ;-) While I find looking at, enchancing, and hacking on baseline functionality as interesting and profitable. Famous open source quote, " I would rather spend 10 hours reading someone else's source code than 10 minutes listening to Musak waiting for technical support which isn't." Linux isn't for everyone. Just like Windows isn't for everyone. Just like OSX isn't for everyone. Pick your tools and live with in the confines. I choose linux because I have the ability to expand the confines as I see fit. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Jan 21 14:39:14 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:10:04 -0600, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:37:02 -0600, John T. Hoffoss > wrote: > >> Your backlight went out. An LCD has a lightbulb behind the screen (on >> many laptops, you can see the light itself if you look from the side, >> just between the bezel and screen. This is almost always covered by >> warranty, but a 5150 is way too old to be covered. You might be able to >> get a scrapped one with a functional screen off eBay. Otherwise, Gateway >> will probably still repair it, but they'll probably charge in the >> neighborhood of $300. Check with them before you lose all hope, though. >> Perhaps there are generic LCD backlights you can buy and install, too. I >> have no real idea about that. >> >> Sorry I don't have better news for you. >> ' > > > > Ooo Ooo Ooo.... what was the name of that local Auction site? it was > in a post a while ago... They had a bunch of junk laptops that were > going for like $50 for like 10... > > I'll check my history file but someone may have it on the tip of their > KB.... > Found it: http://www.smithmicrotech.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.pl maybe they'll have something you can hack.. > >> John >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org >>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Josh Trutwin >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:52 PM >>> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems >>> >>> >>> I have a laptop that is running Linux but I d not think this >>> is a linux problem. Yesterday I powered off my old Gateway >>> 5150 and today when I powered it back on, the LCD screen is >>> EXTREMEMELY dark, almost completely black, but if you look >>> very closely you can barely see the boot messages and the GDM >>> login prompt when it comes up and I can SSH in. If I plug it >>> into a monitor it looks fine too. No matter what I try I >>> cannot get the brightness back to an even readable level. >>> This occurs right from the BIOS messages so it has to be a >>> hardware issue. >>> >>> Anyone have any suggestions? (Yes, I tried the brightness >>> function keys) >>> >>> Anyone know of a good repair shop otherwise? I don't want to >>> junk this thing as I spent so much time getting it just the >>> way I like it. >>> >>> Thx, >>> >>> Josh >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Jan 21 16:15:08 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems In-Reply-To: References: <20040121125153.27bd3435@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20040121160142.71053df8@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:37:02 -0600 "John T. Hoffoss" wrote: > Your backlight went out. An LCD has a lightbulb behind the screen (on > many laptops, you can see the light itself if you look from the side, > just between the bezel and screen. This is almost always covered by > warranty, but a 5150 is way too old to be covered. You might be able to > get a scrapped one with a functional screen off eBay. Otherwise, Gateway > will probably still repair it, but they'll probably charge in the > neighborhood of $300. Check with them before you lose all hope, though. > Perhaps there are generic LCD backlights you can buy and install, too. I > have no real idea about that. > > Sorry I don't have better news for you. No problem, my guess was that the LCD just went bad. I took it apart as best I could and it doesn't look like I can just put a new lightbulb in and I'd have to replace the entire LCD. eBay had a bunch for 5150, but I think I'll just get a new one, time to move past the PII 233. At least I can still SSH in and recove my files. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 21 18:12:07 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems In-Reply-To: <20040121160142.71053df8@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040121125153.27bd3435@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> <20040121160142.71053df8@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <400F1325.4010405@visi.com> Forgive me... That's more sad then imaginable, we (computer folk) put a lot of time and effort in to our machines. It's like loosing a girl friend, but when you get a new one it's faster and easier to use :-D Sam. Josh Trutwin wrote: >On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:37:02 -0600 >"John T. Hoffoss" wrote: > > > >>Your backlight went out. An LCD has a lightbulb behind the screen (on >>many laptops, you can see the light itself if you look from the side, >>just between the bezel and screen. This is almost always covered by >>warranty, but a 5150 is way too old to be covered. You might be able to >>get a scrapped one with a functional screen off eBay. Otherwise, Gateway >>will probably still repair it, but they'll probably charge in the >>neighborhood of $300. Check with them before you lose all hope, though. >>Perhaps there are generic LCD backlights you can buy and install, too. I >>have no real idea about that. >> >>Sorry I don't have better news for you. >> >> > >No problem, my guess was that the LCD just went bad. I took it apart as best I could and it doesn't look like I can just put a new lightbulb in and I'd have to replace the entire LCD. eBay had a bunch for 5150, but I think I'll just get a new one, time to move past the PII 233. > >At least I can still SSH in and recove my files. > >Josh > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Andrew at azimmer.com Wed Jan 21 22:08:11 2004 From: Andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems Message-ID: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C015DF7@cilantro.AZimmer.local> My Compaq Armada 1700 does this pretty regularly. There is a loose connection some place and I figure I'll break it more than I'll fix it. I usually just squish or twist the laptop until it snaps back to bright. The video card also has problems restarting into Linux. I think it is a Chips & Technology 655550. A cold boot will fix it. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Josh Trutwin Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:16 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems I have a laptop that is running Linux but I d not think this is a linux problem. Yesterday I powered off my old Gateway 5150 and today when I powered it back on, the LCD screen is EXTREMEMELY dark, almost completely black, but if you look very closely you can barely see the boot messages and the GDM login prompt when it comes up and I can SSH in. If I plug it into a monitor it looks fine too. No matter what I try I cannot get the brightness back to an even readable level. This occurs right from the BIOS messages so it has to be a hardware issue. Anyone have any suggestions? (Yes, I tried the brightness function keys) Anyone know of a good repair shop otherwise? I don't want to junk this thing as I spent so much time getting it just the way I like it. Thx, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Jan 21 22:30:08 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems In-Reply-To: <400F1325.4010405@visi.com> References: <20040121125153.27bd3435@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> <20040121160142.71053df8@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> <400F1325.4010405@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040121222039.526e000d@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:02:45 -0600 Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Forgive me... > > That's more sad then imaginable, we (computer folk) put a lot of time > and effort in to our machines. It's like loosing a girl friend, but when > you get a new one it's faster and easier to use :-D It really does feel like I lost an old friend. But he/she never really gave me anything but headaches, until I introduced him/her to Slackware. It must have been too much to handle though. Oh well, Slackware will meet more new friends. Ok, that's enough. Thanks for the helpful posts. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Jan 21 22:46:15 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and Multihead problem In-Reply-To: <400E989C.1050403@igi.com> References: <200401181503.59441.jpschewe@mtu.net> <200401202226.32033.jpschewe@mtu.net> <400E989C.1050403@igi.com> Message-ID: <200401212237.45738.jpschewe@mtu.net> On Wednesday 21 January 2004 09:19, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > From comparing the 2 screenshots it appears that only the font sizes > have increased. Not all fonts, but alot of them. The sizes of all the > borders and boxes looked correct. Your resolution is correct at > 3000x1200 in your dual image, 1600 + 1400. I would think just changing > the fonts to something smaller in the control center would fix the > problem. I dont recall where Mozilla gets its font settings for the > program, not the html rendering font settings. But I doubt the KDE > control center font setting changes would effect Mozilla. Perhaps > something with the X font server? But why did they change? That's what's got me so confused. I don't want to have to reconfigure ALL of my apps and then reconfigure them all again when I switch monitors. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rnelson at ronspace.com Tue Jan 20 12:11:23 2004 From: rnelson at ronspace.com (Ron Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automatic Backups In-Reply-To: <20040120114122.C16355@thinkunix.net> References: <20040120114122.C16355@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1074621733.400d6d2554ec6@ronspace.org> Quoting Scot Jenkins : > Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is there a way in which one can backup ones home directory to another > > machine automatically without root access? I am working on a machine (RH > > 7.1) which is not backed up. I would like to backup my home directory to a > > machine (RH 9.0) where the disk is backed up. I dont have root access to > > both the machines. Also since the size of my home directory is big > > (Approx 10 GB), is there a way to backup only files which are modified > > after the last backup? > > man rsync > man dump man ssh man rdist. -- ronspace.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Tue Jan 20 14:25:01 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Automatic Backups In-Reply-To: <400D74FC.6090208@igi.com> Message-ID: <000701c3df92$12db7f60$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > Something I have recently begun to use is backuppc. Very > slick program. I was going to recommend the same thing. I'm in the process of getting it going here, and it's been a bit daunting, but mostly because of a redhat problem with compiling some of the perl modules. If you're running redhat and have trouble compiling some of the perl modules, check this link: http://wiki.spamassassin.org/w/Pod2ManRedHat Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jan 20 14:26:22 2004 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System oddness, printing and DAT In-Reply-To: <20040120140028.C9827@thinkunix.net> References: <20040115203720.02fbbd72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040115222450.A13953@thinkunix.net> <20040116060856.4a7b7386.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040116162355.C9433@thinkunix.net> <20040120083205.3e0c277e.sfertch@real-time.com> <200401201750.i0KHomW12433@ecstasy.winternet.com> <20040120130026.50b619f2.sfertch@real-time.com> <20040120140028.C9827@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040120142409.32a5fac9.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:00:28 -0600 Scot Jenkins wrote: > Shawn wrote: > > Now I just gotta figure out my cd-r/w & DVD combo drive why I > > can't get DVD's to read from it... > > are you trying to play encrypted DVD's? if so, you need libdvdcss > package. I build it from source along time ago under Slackware 8.1 > and it worked with xine. > > my build scripts are here, look under libdvdcss and xine > directories: > http://thinkunix.net/unix/os/linux/slackware/i386-mirror/8.1/thinkunix/source/ > > If you don't have checkinstall, just use "make install" where I have > "checkinstall" in the build.sh scripts. Yep, encrypted movie dvd's or even data dvd's for that matter. How does it work with the cd-r/w aspect? Is there anything within lilo that I need to change? Right now I have it set to "hdc=ide-scsi" For the time being, on the SCSI card and tape drive, I just put the corresponding modprobe commands into my /etc/rc.d/rc.local file. I'll try and pull down a new kernel in the next week or so and try and build one (first time, so it'll be a bit hairy for me). Thanks again Scot. -- Shawn "Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear." -Mark Twain Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Jan 20 14:35:37 2004 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewire disks Message-ID: Is support for firewire external disks doing okay? Was it okay around kernel 2.4.18? Does one have to be careful about firewire cards and/or disks/enclosures, and if so what are the okay ones? I'm looking at an external hard drive as a possible backup solution for a linux server. Oh, and does it handle hot plugging okay? Firewire hardware does, but does the software, or does it get confused? (Because this is a backup solution, I'm looking for cheap rather than super-fast-server-grade controller cards.) (I'm assuming firewire will outperform USB 2 for this application, but it might not if the Linux support were bad enough; if I really should be looking at USB 2 instead, then same question about USB 2 controller cards. This old system is PCI bus but doesn't support such modern things as USB or firewire on the motherboard.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera/Steven Brust: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Wed Jan 21 02:30:43 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun4 Hard drive, anyone have one they will sell? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040121082314.GB65581@nan2d.com> How mutch do you want for them? If you dont want any money, then perhaps there is somthing we have that might interest you. Is there sutch a thing? If not, then we will accept you "offer" ;) Anyway, payment or no payment, I will talk to cleric about this. Thanks On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 08:34:59AM -0600, Bruce Broecker wrote: > > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > >>> after@nan2d.com 01/19/04 11:00PM >>> > > Hello. > > Hi > > > My friend and I (cleric, if anyone knows him) are gonna put together this Sun4 > > we have laying around. We need a hard drive for it that is cheep. It needs to be > > a SCA Sun SCSI and be over (or arround) two gigs. > > > If anyone can offer one for cheep please do. > > I've got a pair of 2 gig drives out of a Sun SparcStation20 that you can have. I also have > a pair of 4.3gb SCA drives that I can probably be pursuaded to sell. These should work > in a Sun, but I had other troubles when I last attempted to install them into said > SparcStation. > > Bruce > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Jan 21 07:44:49 2004 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quick Launch Bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1074691643.5213.25.camel@tankgrrl> On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 19:27, Joe Brabeck wrote: > My daugher somehow deleted the quick launch bar on her computer. OS= RH > 9.0. > > Thought I was "knowledgeable", but I can't figure how to restore it. > > Help. It shouldn't be possible to run Gnome without at least one panel. So it should come back when you restart Gnome or reboot. What shows up if you do: ps -aux | grep panel Perhaps the process is crashing as Gnome starts up because of a bad applet or corrupted config file. If you're willing to lose the panel settings you could delete files from the .gnome2 in her home directory. Brady _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Thu Jan 22 00:29:43 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: The Masses discover war driving... In-Reply-To: <400D55EC.107@eworld3.net> References: <400C73EB.3020105@eworld3.net> <400C80BC.8030702@structural-wood.com> <400D55EC.107@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20040122062117.GB31785@nan2d.com> Too bad there are no good linux games that make good use of joystick support. On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 10:23:08AM -0600, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > LOL > > Kent Schumacher wrote: > >It would make sense - Linux has support for almost all types of > >joystick now... > > > > > > > >Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > > >>Zibby, are you sure this is OT? Maybe his laptop was running Linux! ;-) > >> > >>Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > >> > >>>Cut from Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird > >>>http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/nw040104.html > >>> > >>>Toronto police arrested Walter Nowakowski, 35, in November on several > >>>pornography counts as well as theft of services after an officer spotted > >>>him driving the wrong way on a one-way street at 5 a.m. According to > >>>police, Nowakowski was pantsless, with a laptop computer running in the > >>>front seat, as he drove slowly down streets in search of wireless > >>>Internet > >>>signals that he could use to download pornography. [Toronto Star, > >>>11-21-03] > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Thu Jan 22 00:31:37 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun4 Hard drive, anyone have one they will sell? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040122062020.GA31785@nan2d.com> Thank you sir, we can pick up the hard drives if you give us an address (or you can leav them at ACM and we can pick them up there.) I am not sure if we need the trays, probobly someone else has a few. Regarding the 4.3 drives, how mutch do you want for them? If its somthing we can afford, then we'l bag them too. On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 09:30:31AM -0600, Bruce Broecker wrote: > The 2 gb drives are free for the taking, I no longer have any use for them. They no longer have the Sun trays on them. Let me know if you need those, I can probably work something out. > > If you are interested in the 4.3gb drives, I'll have to put some thought into that. > > Bruce > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > >>> after@nan2d.com 01/21/04 02:23AM >>> > How mutch do you want for them? If you dont want any money, then perhaps there > is somthing we have that might interest you. Is there sutch a thing? > > If not, then we will accept you "offer" ;) Anyway, payment or no payment, I will > talk to cleric about this. > > Thanks > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 08:34:59AM -0600, Bruce Broecker wrote: > > > > > > Bruce Broecker > > Network Comm Supervisor > > The Toro Company > > > > > > >>> after@nan2d.com 01/19/04 11:00PM >>> > > > Hello. > > > > Hi > > > > > My friend and I (cleric, if anyone knows him) are gonna put together this Sun4 > > > we have laying around. We need a hard drive for it that is cheep. It needs to be > > > a SCA Sun SCSI and be over (or arround) two gigs. > > > > > If anyone can offer one for cheep please do. > > > > I've got a pair of 2 gig drives out of a Sun SparcStation20 that you can have. I also have > > a pair of 4.3gb SCA drives that I can probably be pursuaded to sell. These should work > > in a Sun, but I had other troubles when I last attempted to install them into said > > SparcStation. > > > > Bruce > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Thu Jan 22 09:35:21 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and Multihead problem In-Reply-To: <200401212237.45738.jpschewe@mtu.net> References: <200401181503.59441.jpschewe@mtu.net> <200401202226.32033.jpschewe@mtu.net> <400E989C.1050403@igi.com> <200401212237.45738.jpschewe@mtu.net> Message-ID: <400FED6A.9000002@igi.com> I dont know. Maybe a bug? Check your distro's bug tracking system. If it isnt in there submit it as a bug. I dont recall my dual monitor system doing that. Though it did some other strange things like the taskbar moved up on the screen. Jon Schewe wrote: >On Wednesday 21 January 2004 09:19, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > > >> From comparing the 2 screenshots it appears that only the font sizes >>have increased. Not all fonts, but alot of them. The sizes of all the >>borders and boxes looked correct. Your resolution is correct at >>3000x1200 in your dual image, 1600 + 1400. I would think just changing >>the fonts to something smaller in the control center would fix the >>problem. I dont recall where Mozilla gets its font settings for the >>program, not the html rendering font settings. But I doubt the KDE >>control center font setting changes would effect Mozilla. Perhaps >>something with the X font server? >> >> > >But why did they change? That's what's got me so confused. I don't want to >have to reconfigure ALL of my apps and then reconfigure them all again when I >switch monitors. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Jan 22 10:55:14 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] New Linux Port? In-Reply-To: <20040121222039.526e000d@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <001e01c3e107$8b498de0$2c00a8c0@aurvandil> I think I've just had my first brilliant idea (and it may have occurred to others) but I wonder if Linux can be ported to Women to make them work properly. (I mean no offense to any women on this list, you're obviously already working well above spec ;) I'm going to stop there before I bury myself in the hole I dug. But guys, you know where I'm going with that. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Josh Trutwin > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 22:21 > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Laptop LCD Problems > > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:02:45 -0600 > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > > Forgive me... > > > > That's more sad then imaginable, we (computer folk) put a > lot of time > > and effort in to our machines. It's like loosing a girl > friend, but when > > you get a new one it's faster and easier to use :-D > > It really does feel like I lost an old friend. But he/she > never really gave me anything but headaches, until I > introduced him/her to Slackware. It must have been too much > to handle though. > > Oh well, Slackware will meet more new friends. > > Ok, that's enough. Thanks for the helpful posts. > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jan 22 13:25:32 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Feb speaker Message-ID: <20040122190643.GC11042@fandre.com> I'm looking for a speaker for the February meeting. There were some suggestions a few months ago, but I can't seem to find those emails. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Jan 22 13:40:24 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Feb speaker In-Reply-To: <20040122190643.GC11042@fandre.com> References: <20040122190643.GC11042@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040122192727.GA19629@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 01:06:43PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > I'm looking for a speaker for the February meeting. There were some > suggestions a few months ago, but I can't seem to find those emails. > Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? > A couple of suggestions: => setting up an LDAP server as an address book => setting up an LDAP server for auth => converting from BIND -> djbdns -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Jan 22 13:50:48 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Feb speaker In-Reply-To: <20040122192727.GA19629@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20040122190643.GC11042@fandre.com> <20040122192727.GA19629@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20040122134247.6be1db29@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:27:27 -0600 "John J. Trammell" wrote: [...] > A couple of suggestions: > > => setting up an LDAP server as an address book > => setting up an LDAP server for auth > => converting from BIND -> djbdns I would love to see this last one, I currently have to do a large conversion in a couple weeks. Actually, anything DNS would be great. I do not feel qualified to present on that topic though. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Thu Jan 22 14:00:08 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Feb speaker Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3652@owa.compellent.com> Ooh, I second LDAP. Also, wasn't there going to be san presentation? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John J. Trammell Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:27 PM To: tclug-list Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Feb speaker On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 01:06:43PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > I'm looking for a speaker for the February meeting. There were some > suggestions a few months ago, but I can't seem to find those emails. > Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? > A couple of suggestions: => setting up an LDAP server as an address book => setting up an LDAP server for auth => converting from BIND -> djbdns -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jan 22 14:03:40 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Feb speaker In-Reply-To: <20040122192727.GA19629@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20040122190643.GC11042@fandre.com> <20040122192727.GA19629@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, John J. Trammell wrote: > => setting up an LDAP server as an address book > => setting up an LDAP server for auth > => converting from BIND -> djbdns oooh LDAP for auth! -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jan 22 14:09:53 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Feb speaker In-Reply-To: <20040122192727.GA19629@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20040122190643.GC11042@fandre.com> <20040122192727.GA19629@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20040122195447.GA26628@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erick at nixbrain.com Thu Jan 22 15:13:35 2004 From: erick at nixbrain.com (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 promisc Message-ID: <40103914.2010107@nixbrain.com> Hello, My eth0 (the external interface) on my firewall machine was down this morning, and when brought back up via dhcpd it got turned onto promisc, which I know sniffs packets, and that is about all I know, so I shut it down right away. I ran chkrootkit version 0.43 after I discovered eth0 was down and brought back up and nothing came up infected, except the eth0 was promisc when it was using dchpd, so I just gave it a static and it is no longer on promisc, is this sufficent? I would assume something is wrong with my rules on my firewall becuase I assume someone got in and manipulated the dhcpd script or is there another way to get it to be promisc? I checked root's .bash_history and it was still in tact with all of MY commands, but in /var/log/messages it says something like: "trying to punch ~MY ISP's DNS SERVER~ through firewall" I am running an old version of RH 7.1 as a firewall using ipchains behind a Linksys Wireless router. My boxes behind the firewall also seem fine, nothing is promisc and chkrootkit runs cleanly. I thought my firewall was decent, I run nmap against both interfaces, eth0 (external) and eth1 (internal) and it always has shown no ports at all are open, running: nmap -sS -v -O Any help/suggestions, like maybe if I should "get that box off the network", would be helpful. Thank you in advance. Erick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Thu Jan 22 15:45:05 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Feb speaker In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3652@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3652@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <20040122213504.GA29029@refried.org> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 01:42:07PM -0600, Ben Neigebauer wrote: > Also, wasn't there going to be san presentation? Let's aim for March for that one. If anyone has some connections that they would like to exploit, please start and let me know what you can get. I'll get going on pinging my resources. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Thu Jan 22 16:00:27 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200401201832.i0KIWS023197@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200401201832.i0KIWS023197@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040122213838.GA84040@nan2d.com> Can you give me more information on the NEC Versa 2405 laptop and the Toshiba "satellite" laptop please? I really want to set up bsd on some little laptop to I can experiment with wireless networking. I just got a wireless router ;) About how mutch would you want for them? (indevidualy or together) On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 12:32:28PM -0600, TCLUG Classifieds wrote: > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: Spare Parts Give-Away > > After a house-cleaning the likes of which has not been seen since the excavation of King Tut's tomb, I've found myself in possession of a large pile of unwanted electronics. The components are all in working condition, so it seems like a shame to haul it all the junk yard. > > So, if anyone's interested in taking the following off my hands, please send an email to dan@bayn.org as soon as possible. There's no charge, but there is one condition: you have to take everything. Getting rid of a few pieces doesn't help me much, I wanna be rid of the whole heap... > > 3 tower computers, at least partially functional > 1 IBM scanner > 1 NEC Versa 2405 laptop w/ battery > 1 Toshiba "satellite" laptop > 1 Apple Airport Base Station (broken) > 2 computer monitors > 1 NEC superscript 860 printer (no ink) > 1 HP deskjet printer > 2 mice > 1 keyboard > > Of course, I wouldn't expect anyone to commit before they browse the stack. Just send me an email and we'll schedule a time to have you inspect the goods. > > Thanks, --Dan Bayn > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Jan 22 17:01:43 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click of death from IBA deskstar drive Message-ID: Hello all, A 40 gig deskstar hard drive I use here at work is making clicking sounds and dead. Anyone dealt with this? We do not have a budget for data recovery. Are we screwed? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Thu Jan 22 17:09:50 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click of death from IBA deskstar drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40105839.3080300@eworld3.net> What file system is on there, ext3? Can you look at any files? Have you tried re-seating the connectors? Is it still making clicking sounds? What do you mean by "dead"? PHPTOm wrote: > A 40 gig deskstar hard drive I use here at work is making clicking sounds > and dead. Anyone dealt with this? We do not have a budget for data > recovery. Are we screwed? -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jan 22 17:48:36 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click of death from IBA deskstar drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040122233823.GB26628@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Jan 22 17:59:38 2004 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click of death from IBA deskstar drive In-Reply-To: <40105839.3080300@eworld3.net> Message-ID: > What file system is on there, ext3? > Can you look at any files? > Have you tried re-seating the connectors? > Is it still making clicking sounds? > What do you mean by "dead"? It is still making clicking sounds, yes. From what little I read on the drive, it is "the click of death". by dead I mean the system does not recognize it. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Thu Jan 22 18:04:44 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click of death from IBA deskstar drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401221752.03602.bmaas@open-techsys.com> What I usually do is put the disk in another machine and then use dd_rescue to do a byte by byte copy (bad sectors and all) of the affected disk to a known good harddrive. Once I have that I run a fsck for the appropriate file system type. I've used this technique in the past to recover all but 15MB of of 60GB of data off a hard drive. dd_rescue works like the "dd" command but ignores (handles) I/O errors. When it encounters an I/O error it reattempts the read at a smaller block size until it reads as musch of the data as it can. This can obviosly take a *very* long time, but you will get as much of your data back as is possible. You then pull the (hopefully) few files you were not able to recover from your latest backup (hopefully). dd_rescue can be found here: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ On Thursday 22 January 2004 04:47 pm, PHPTOm wrote: > Hello all, > > A 40 gig deskstar hard drive I use here at work is making clicking sounds > and dead. Anyone dealt with this? We do not have a budget for data > recovery. Are we screwed? > > TOm > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jan 22 18:09:17 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click of death from IBA deskstar drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040122234925.GJ15000@techmonkeys.org> Restore from your weekly/daily backups and RMA the drive, it has a 3 year warranty. On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 04:47:48PM -0600, PHPTOm wrote: > Hello all, > > A 40 gig deskstar hard drive I use here at work is making clicking sounds > and dead. Anyone dealt with this? We do not have a budget for data > recovery. Are we screwed? > > TOm -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Thu Jan 22 18:11:38 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun4 Hard drive, anyone have one they will sell? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040123000215.GA26518@nan2d.com> We stoppped by at Toro today for you, I think we missed you though at arround 5 pm. What are your hours? If you want, send me a personal mail with your phone number and we can set up a time when we can pick up the stuff. Do you by any chance need a Sun monitor or keyboard? On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 09:30:31AM -0600, Bruce Broecker wrote: > The 2 gb drives are free for the taking, I no longer have any use for them. They no longer have the Sun trays on them. Let me know if you need those, I can probably work something out. > > If you are interested in the 4.3gb drives, I'll have to put some thought into that. > > Bruce > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > >>> after@nan2d.com 01/21/04 02:23AM >>> > How mutch do you want for them? If you dont want any money, then perhaps there > is somthing we have that might interest you. Is there sutch a thing? > > If not, then we will accept you "offer" ;) Anyway, payment or no payment, I will > talk to cleric about this. > > Thanks > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 08:34:59AM -0600, Bruce Broecker wrote: > > > > > > Bruce Broecker > > Network Comm Supervisor > > The Toro Company > > > > > > >>> after@nan2d.com 01/19/04 11:00PM >>> > > > Hello. > > > > Hi > > > > > My friend and I (cleric, if anyone knows him) are gonna put together this Sun4 > > > we have laying around. We need a hard drive for it that is cheep. It needs to be > > > a SCA Sun SCSI and be over (or arround) two gigs. > > > > > If anyone can offer one for cheep please do. > > > > I've got a pair of 2 gig drives out of a Sun SparcStation20 that you can have. I also have > > a pair of 4.3gb SCA drives that I can probably be pursuaded to sell. These should work > > in a Sun, but I had other troubles when I last attempted to install them into said > > SparcStation. > > > > Bruce > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Jan 22 18:16:48 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401230005.i0N05d306765@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Laptop - Compaq 906US I posted this a few months ago, but it had a broken CD-DVD-RW, I have now replaced the CD-DVD-RW with an internal CD-DVD (not sure of the speed). The new CD-DVD is used and works, but can be a bit shakey at times when playing audio cd's and the plastic cover does not fit the new CD-DVD quite right. Specs: - Athlon XP 1500 - 20 GIG HD - 256 MB RAM expandable to 1 GIG - 14.1" XGA TFT Active Matrix Display - built in ethernet and modem - JBL Pro speakers - included Linksys pcmcia wireless card I have the original box and software, which includes XP Home Edition as a Quick Restore disk set. I was running Debian. This laptop is in decent condition, it was my primary workstation for the past year, so it has some wear and tear. $500/obo. Note: there is no floppy drive in this model http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jan 22 18:30:00 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click of death from IBA deskstar drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, PHPTOm wrote: > Hello all, > > A 40 gig deskstar hard drive I use here at work is making clicking sounds > and dead. Anyone dealt with this? We do not have a budget for data > recovery. Are we screwed? heh... i had the exact same drive and i was able to get it to go for another couple of weeks by doing the following: 1. turn the computer off 2. let it rest/cooldown/stop-spinning for a day or so 3. turn it on and recover the data before it starts clunking again -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Jan 22 19:22:19 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 promisc In-Reply-To: <40103914.2010107@nixbrain.com> Message-ID: <000901c3e14c$1dcd1710$2c00a8c0@aurvandil> Doesn't sound like anything serious to me, but it is odd behavior. (I could easily be wrong.) I would check a forum that centers around your distro and just ask if anyone had seen that behavior before. Perhaps reset your cable/DSL modem as well. It may be that it just got screwed up someone WRT dhcp service. (stabbing in the dark now...) The only other thing I can think of to try is look over your dhcpcd and net.eth0 config files for anything weird. (Why I actually replied...) I run nmap as you do now, but add '-p 1-' so it will scan all ports from 1-65536, which should let you see any listening service. I run this on each of my boxes inside periodically too. I'll also run UDP, FIN, Xmas, and Null scans periodically, just for kicks. And nessus to check that what is there is (more or less) up to date. I'm not worried about my boxes so much, but when friends bring stuff over, I have no way of knowing what they might be bringing with them. Incidentally, nmap 3.50 was released today. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Erick Stohr > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 14:57 > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] eth0 promisc > > > Hello, > > My eth0 (the external interface) on my firewall machine was down this > morning, and when brought back up via dhcpd it got turned > onto promisc, > which I know sniffs packets, and that is about all I know, so > I shut it > down right away. > > I ran chkrootkit version 0.43 after I discovered eth0 was down and > brought back up and nothing came up infected, except the eth0 was > promisc when it was using dchpd, so I just gave it a static > and it is no > longer on promisc, is this sufficent? I would assume > something is wrong > with my rules on my firewall becuase I assume someone got in and > manipulated the dhcpd script or is there another way to get it to be > promisc? > > I checked root's .bash_history and it was still in tact with > all of MY > commands, but in /var/log/messages it says something like: > > "trying to punch ~MY ISP's DNS SERVER~ through firewall" > > I am running an old version of RH 7.1 as a firewall using ipchains > behind a Linksys Wireless router. My boxes behind the > firewall also seem > fine, nothing is promisc and chkrootkit runs cleanly. > > I thought my firewall was decent, I run nmap against both interfaces, > eth0 (external) and eth1 (internal) and it always has shown > no ports at > all are open, running: > > nmap -sS -v -O > > Any help/suggestions, like maybe if I should "get that box off the > network", would be helpful. Thank you in advance. > > Erick > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Thu Jan 22 21:07:38 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quick Launch Bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40108D96.1040309@eworld3.net> Since no one has responded, I'll take a shot in the dark. Have you looked around for a GUI config tool that controls that panel? Maybe she just set it to be hidden. If you make her sit in the comfy chair she may confess! Nobody expects a Spanish inquisition. Joe Brabeck wrote: > My daugher somehow deleted the quick launch bar on her computer. OS= RH > 9.0. > > Thought I was "knowledgeable", but I can't figure how to restore it. > > Help. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jan 22 21:48:56 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quick Launch Bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040123033854.GC26628@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Fri Jan 23 01:08:00 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <1074838106.c79a2100kcbnac@myrealbox.com> For anyone interested, I dug out the specs: http://h20015.www2.hp.com/hub_search/product.jhtml?lc=en&pagetype=compaqpres238228&submit.y=7&submit.x=3&lang=en&cc=us I personally have a 915US, so I can vouch for the base system's Linux-compatability with Mandrake 8.x and 9.x... I'd be interested, but the two (906 and 915) have differing LCD sizes...(mine's a 15.1") If anyone wants to know what to use for Mandrake at least, for installation, I found an entire mailing list for the Presario 900 series. Quite well documented model. -----Original Message----- From: TCLUG Classifieds To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:05:39 -0600 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Laptop - Compaq 906US I posted this a few months ago, but it had a broken CD-DVD-RW, I have now replaced the CD-DVD-RW with an internal CD-DVD (not sure of the speed). The new CD-DVD is used and works, but can be a bit shakey at times when playing audio cd's and the plastic cover does not fit the new CD-DVD quite right. Specs: - Athlon XP 1500 - 20 GIG HD - 256 MB RAM expandable to 1 GIG - 14.1" XGA TFT Active Matrix Display - built in ethernet and modem - JBL Pro speakers - included Linksys pcmcia wireless card I have the original box and software, which includes XP Home Edition as a Quick Restore disk set. I was running Debian. This laptop is in decent condition, it was my primary workstation for the past year, so it has some wear and tear. $500/obo. Note: there is no floppy drive in this model http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Fri Jan 23 01:57:25 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click of death from IBA deskstar drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040123044847.GA989@duron.turboland.com> > A 40 gig deskstar hard drive I use here at work is making clicking sounds > and dead. Anyone dealt with this? We do not have a budget for data > recovery. Are we screwed? Wrap it in tin foil and bake it in the oven at 350 degrees for 30 minutes. Or do you put it in a ziplock in the freezer :) Just kidding. apt-get fix disk? Good luck getting your data bak. Karl. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Jan 23 02:19:36 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (On Topic) Message-ID: <4010D7EE.8080609@visi.com> What linux needs is a good Wine inventory application. For all the Wine people out there this would be a wonderful thing to build. Just thing of tasting all that inventory so you really know what each wine tastes like :-) Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Jan 23 02:28:09 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click of death from IBA deskstar drive In-Reply-To: <20040123044847.GA989@duron.turboland.com> References: <20040123044847.GA989@duron.turboland.com> Message-ID: <4010D850.2030605@visi.com> Ontrack for data recovery is excellent. Your companies business insurance may pay to have the data restored. Sam. Karl Bongers wrote: >>A 40 gig deskstar hard drive I use here at work is making clicking sounds >>and dead. Anyone dealt with this? We do not have a budget for data >>recovery. Are we screwed? >> >> > >Wrap it in tin foil and bake it in the oven at 350 degrees for 30 >minutes. > >Or do you put it in a ziplock in the freezer :) > >Just kidding. > >apt-get fix disk? > >Good luck getting your data bak. > >Karl. > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Jan 23 06:13:50 2004 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click of death from IBA deskstar drive References: Message-ID: <40110CFE.5020307@structural-wood.com> I *everything* else fails, get it cold (refrigerator, freezer, my car, ...) and then try recovering the data. Munir Nassar wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, PHPTOm wrote: > > >>Hello all, >> >>A 40 gig deskstar hard drive I use here at work is making clicking sounds >>and dead. Anyone dealt with this? We do not have a budget for data >>recovery. Are we screwed? > > > heh... i had the exact same drive and i was able to get it to go for > another couple of weeks by doing the following: > 1. turn the computer off > 2. let it rest/cooldown/stop-spinning for a day or so > 3. turn it on and recover the data before it starts clunking again > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Jan 23 07:23:34 2004 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (On Topic) In-Reply-To: <4010D7EE.8080609@visi.com> References: <4010D7EE.8080609@visi.com> Message-ID: <1074863254.8031.8.camel@tankgrrl> And maybe at some point it could be extended to help Linux users keep track of their wine by also helping them run windows applications that assist in wine inventory. Brady > What linux needs is a good Wine inventory application. For all the Wine > people out there this would be a wonderful thing to build. Just thing of > tasting all that inventory so you really know what each wine tastes like > :-) > > Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Jan 23 07:23:34 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (On Topic) In-Reply-To: <4010D7EE.8080609@visi.com> References: <4010D7EE.8080609@visi.com> Message-ID: <40111C9F.5050900@druswanderings.net> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > What linux needs is a good Wine inventory application. I think O'Reilly's book on PHP uses an app such as this for its examples. The source is on the supplied CDROM. Taste away. ;-) -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Jan 23 08:45:55 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (On Topic) In-Reply-To: <4010D7EE.8080609@visi.com> References: <4010D7EE.8080609@visi.com> Message-ID: <1074868746.2922.20.camel@unixws1> If the project were open-source, then my friendly neighborhood Frogtown winos could afford it! Ooh! We could make a generic inventory package, and have it extendible through a plug-in system for specific applications. The Wine plugin, #include The Crystal Meth plugin, #include - the possibilities are endless! Sorry, the humor potential is too great to resist... "Okay, I know I had a 6oz bag here somewhere..." (checks above the drop-ceiling) "Not there. Shoot, where is my bling-bling?!" (Boots a 386SX-25 running DOS) C:> c:\inv\bin\inv.exe c:\inv\data\my_stash.dat Quantity Size Origin Type Location Dealer ... 1 6oz. BRA Mellow Gold In Lamp (*deceased*) On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 02:14, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > What linux needs is a good Wine inventory application. For all the Wine > people out there this would be a wonderful thing to build. Just thing of > tasting all that inventory so you really know what each wine tastes like > :-) > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From strayf at freeshell.org Fri Jan 23 08:49:03 2004 From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steven Cayford) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Click of death from IBA deskstar drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Munir Nassar wrote: > > heh... i had the exact same drive and i was able to get it to go for > another couple of weeks by doing the following: > 1. turn the computer off > 2. let it rest/cooldown/stop-spinning for a day or so > 3. turn it on and recover the data before it starts clunking again > I've had the same experience a couple of times. strayf@freeshell.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Fri Jan 23 08:49:45 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (On Topic) Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> smac@visi.com 01/23/04 02:14AM >>> > What linux needs is a good Wine inventory application. For all the Wine > people out there this would be a wonderful thing to build. Just thing of > tasting all that inventory so you really know what each wine tastes like You know, I'm pretty sure that OpenZaurus has something like this in the feeds. Not being a wine maven, I haven't tried it out myself. It's called pocketcellar. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Jan 23 09:14:27 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (On Topic) Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3853@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> http://www.staikos.net/~staikos/pocketcellar/ link to the homepage of the zaurus app I wouldn't think it would be to difficult to port this...or you could always get a zaurus....:p Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Samuel MacDonald Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:15 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] (On Topic) What linux needs is a good Wine inventory application. For all the Wine people out there this would be a wonderful thing to build. Just thing of tasting all that inventory so you really know what each wine tastes like :-) Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at sift.info Fri Jan 23 13:03:06 2004 From: rpgoldman at sift.info (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh server behind NAT Message-ID: <16401.27750.725247.996804@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Here's a question that has me a little bamboozled. I have a couple of machines behind NAT that I can ssh to through dynamic DNS. But every time I do, ssh whines about their host keys being bad. They don't match, of course, because the two machines have different RSA keys. But they have the same symbolic name --- the only difference is that I go in through different ports to get to the two different machines. Any way to make ssh shut the heck up about this? Better yet, is there any way to convince ssh that what's important is an IP name and port number PAIR, instead of just an IP name? Thanks! R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 23 13:50:37 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy Message-ID: Hoping someone can help me remember the name of this: It's a floppy disk that you stick in your computer, it will boot some sort of linux, ID your hard drives and delete everything on them. It has like 5 levels of deletion - the highest one says that it'll delete data so well that the NSA couldn't even restore it (like 50 passes over the area it's deleting....) ring a bell with anyone? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Jan 23 14:22:26 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40118004.8010903@cdf123.com> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Hoping someone can help me remember the name of this: > > It's a floppy disk that you stick in your computer, it will boot some > sort of linux, ID your hard drives and delete everything on them. It > has like 5 levels of deletion - the highest one says that it'll delete > data so well that the NSA couldn't even restore it (like 50 passes > over the area it's deleting....) > > ring a bell with anyone? > Um... couldn't you just get any bootable linux distro, and do a dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hd?? or dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hd?? and achieve the same effect? Why would you need 50 passes? Isn't one enough? Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff at helkeiandjeff.com Fri Jan 23 14:30:33 2004 From: jeff at helkeiandjeff.com (jeff@helkeiandjeff.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1074889371.4011829b6da6e@www.helkeiandjeff.com> Darik's Boot'n'Nuke? Quoting Johnny Fulcrum : > Hoping someone can help me remember the name of this: > > It's a floppy disk that you stick in your computer, it will boot some sort > of linux, ID your hard drives and delete everything on them. It has like > 5 levels of deletion - the highest one says that it'll delete data so well > that the NSA couldn't even restore it (like 50 passes over the area it's > deleting....) > > > ring a bell with anyone? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Fri Jan 23 14:39:57 2004 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy In-Reply-To: <40118004.8010903@cdf123.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Chris Frederick wrote: > Um... couldn't you just get any bootable linux distro, and do a > dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hd?? > or > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hd?? > and achieve the same effect? Why would you need 50 passes? Isn't one > enough? > > Chris Frederick Well, maybe you don't need 50, but more than one at least. Here's the first link I found from this mailing list. I know this has been discussed multiple times, but I can't seem to find the right words to search for in google. http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2002-November/054257.html ------------- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Fri Jan 23 14:41:53 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B645@ipserver2.interplastic.com> DBAN > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:37 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy > > > Hoping someone can help me remember the name of this: > > It's a floppy disk that you stick in your computer, it will > boot some sort > of linux, ID your hard drives and delete everything on them. > It has like > 5 levels of deletion - the highest one says that it'll delete > data so well > that the NSA couldn't even restore it (like 50 passes over > the area it's > deleting....) > > > ring a bell with anyone? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Fri Jan 23 14:43:29 2004 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Gregory Siems) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1074889021.30197.3.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> DBAN (http://dban.sourceforge.net) On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 13:36, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Hoping someone can help me remember the name of this: > > It's a floppy disk that you stick in your computer, it will boot some sort > of linux, ID your hard drives and delete everything on them. It has like > 5 levels of deletion - the highest one says that it'll delete data so well > that the NSA couldn't even restore it (like 50 passes over the area it's > deleting....) > > > ring a bell with anyone? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Jan 23 14:48:45 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh server behind NAT In-Reply-To: <16401.27750.725247.996804@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16401.27750.725247.996804@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20040123202723.GH23032@fandre.com> $ man ssh_config [snip] CheckHostIP If this flag is set to ``yes'', ssh will additionally check the host IP address in the known_hosts file. This allows ssh to detect if a host key changed due to DNS spoofing. If the option is set to ``no'', the check will not be executed. The default is ``yes''. On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > Here's a question that has me a little bamboozled. I have a couple of > machines behind NAT that I can ssh to through dynamic DNS. But every > time I do, ssh whines about their host keys being bad. They don't > match, of course, because the two machines have different RSA keys. > But they have the same symbolic name --- the only difference is that > I go in through different ports to get to the two different machines. > Any way to make ssh shut the heck up about this? Better yet, is there > any way to convince ssh that what's important is an IP name and port > number PAIR, instead of just an IP name? > > Thanks! > R > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 23 14:52:04 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy In-Reply-To: <1074889021.30197.3.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> References: <1074889021.30197.3.camel@tempest.pca.state.mn.us> Message-ID: DBAN is it - thanks all for the responses! john On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:17:01 -0600, Gregory Siems wrote: > DBAN (http://dban.sourceforge.net) > > On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 13:36, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> Hoping someone can help me remember the name of this: >> >> It's a floppy disk that you stick in your computer, it will boot some >> sort >> of linux, ID your hard drives and delete everything on them. It has >> like >> 5 levels of deletion - the highest one says that it'll delete data so >> well >> that the NSA couldn't even restore it (like 50 passes over the area it's >> deleting....) >> >> >> ring a bell with anyone? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 14:53:07 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy Message-ID: <012320042026.5784.629b@comcast.net> Darik's Boot And Nuke Thought I had the web page bookmarked, but can't find it. -- ---- ------ Todd Young > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > > Hoping someone can help me remember the name of this: > > > > It's a floppy disk that you stick in your computer, it will boot some > > sort of linux, ID your hard drives and delete everything on them. It > > has like 5 levels of deletion - the highest one says that it'll delete > > data so well that the NSA couldn't even restore it (like 50 passes > > over the area it's deleting....) > > > > ring a bell with anyone? > > > Um... couldn't you just get any bootable linux distro, and do a > dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hd?? > or > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hd?? > and achieve the same effect? Why would you need 50 passes? Isn't one > enough? > > Chris Frederick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 23 14:57:39 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy In-Reply-To: <40118004.8010903@cdf123.com> References: <40118004.8010903@cdf123.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:11:48 -0600, Chris Frederick wrote: > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> Hoping someone can help me remember the name of this: >> >> It's a floppy disk that you stick in your computer, it will boot some >> sort of linux, ID your hard drives and delete everything on them. It >> has like 5 levels of deletion - the highest one says that it'll delete >> data so well that the NSA couldn't even restore it (like 50 passes over >> the area it's deleting....) >> >> ring a bell with anyone? >> > Um... couldn't you just get any bootable linux distro, and do a > dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hd?? > or > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hd?? Yes, but this was a great tool for wiping drives - make a few floppies, erase 200 computers at a time.... > and achieve the same effect? Why would you need 50 passes? Isn't one > enough? > No it is not. One pass does not fully erase the data - some would argue that you need to physically destroy the disk before all data is "gone". > Chris Frederick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jj at cedarbrook.us Fri Jan 23 15:01:30 2004 From: jj at cedarbrook.us (Jerry Jensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. cloud install fest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: does anyone know who I might contact to see if the St. Cloud InstallFest is still on for tomorrow and how much it costs etc? thanks. --Jerry Jensen _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kal at crcmn.com Fri Jan 23 15:01:49 2004 From: kal at crcmn.com (Kevin Layne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy References: Message-ID: <00fc01c3e1f1$eeb1bf20$0a010a0a@crcmn.com> Found this. http://www.math.utk.edu/Computing/HOWTO/linux-backup.html Has links to Secure delete scripts and utilities for Linux kevin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mkroska at kdv.com Fri Jan 23 15:12:12 2004 From: mkroska at kdv.com (Mark J. Kroska) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. cloud install fest References: Message-ID: <018d01c3e1f5$0bb42ba0$6d64a8c0@webwsmjk> Jerry-- YUP...it's at our place and I'm arranging some tables this afternoon. It's the 3rd Street North location of KDV in Waite Park (the Tech Office) I'm a contact. Cost? none...that I was aware of!! Thanks to Brian and Bob for promoting the event. See you tomorrow! Mark Mark J. Kroska Director Web Services KDV Technology and Consulting Services, Inc. Direct 320-258-6412 Main 320-252-7060 Fax 320-252-9627 mkroska@kdv.com "NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Jensen" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: [TCLUG] St. cloud install fest > > does anyone know who I might contact to see if the St. Cloud InstallFest is > still on for tomorrow and how much it costs etc? > > thanks. > > --Jerry Jensen > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Jan 23 15:17:58 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. cloud install fest In-Reply-To: ; from jj@cedarbrook.us on Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 02:24:37PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040123150151.A107@thinkunix.net> Jerry Jensen wrote: > does anyone know who I might contact to see if the St. Cloud InstallFest is > still on for tomorrow and how much it costs etc? try their website or see if they have a mailing list: http://scalug.mn-linux.org/ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jan 23 15:24:35 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. cloud install fest In-Reply-To: <20040123150151.A107@thinkunix.net> References: <20040123150151.A107@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040123151212.A11442@baker.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 03:01:51PM -0600, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Jerry Jensen wrote: > > does anyone know who I might contact to see if the St. Cloud InstallFest is > > still on for tomorrow and how much it costs etc? > > try their website or see if they have a mailing list: > http://scalug.mn-linux.org/ Yeah, it seems to still be on. Mor info at: http://slash.scalug.mn-linux.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/07/1549230 and http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/scalug-list/2004-January/000219.html I think its free. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at sift.info Fri Jan 23 15:24:35 2004 From: rpgoldman at sift.info (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh server behind NAT In-Reply-To: <20040123202723.GH23032@fandre.com> References: <16401.27750.725247.996804@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20040123202723.GH23032@fandre.com> Message-ID: <16401.36371.910216.154308@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "CF" == Clay Fandre writes: CF> $ man ssh_config CF> [snip] CF> CheckHostIP CF> If this flag is set to ``yes'', ssh will additionally CF> check the host IP address in the known_hosts file. CF> This allows ssh to detect if a host key changed due to CF> DNS spoofing. If the option is set to ``no'', the CF> check will not be executed. The default is ``yes''. I'm sorry to be dense, but I don't see how this helps. Since the two machines are behind a NAT router, they both have the same IP address (but different RSA keys). Right now I've set up so that the Strict checking is off, and that allows my connections to go through, but ssh still whines about it.... I suppose I could do something totally stupid with making a script that will swap different known_hosts files, but that seems really pukey.... What I wish is that I could supply the desired host key as an argument to ssh.... R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 23 15:43:13 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video modes in X Message-ID: I have two Dell P1110 monitors and 2 video cards in my system: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro] (rev 15) 02:07.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro 215GP (rev 5c) trying to run both at: 1600 x 1200 at 85 Hz using xfree-4.3.0-r3 (gentoo) at a depth of 24 one will be at 106.1 Khz/85 Hz 1600x1200 and the other at 87.7Khz/70Hz 1600x1200 at a depth of 16 both are at 106.1Khz/85Hz 1600x1200 (and I don't feel like I'm going to puke!) I don't understand why one monitor will drop down in hsync and VerticalSync. Maybe my XF86Config file is lacking? Can I force refresh rates (H and V) on the mode lines? Anyone have a favorite resource for figuring this out.. I must be googling with the wrong word. not getting much info. here's what I do have inmy XF86Config: Both monitors are the same so here's the monitor section: Section "Monitor" #DisplaySize 400 300 # mm Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "DEL" ModelName "DELL P1110" Option "DPMS" HorizSync 30-121 VertRefresh 48-160 EndSection Here's the vid cards section (leaving out comments): Section "Device" . . Identifier "Card0" Driver "ati" VendorName "ATI" BoardName "3D Rage Pro 215GP" ChipSet "ati" ChipId 0x4750 ChipRev 0x5c BusID "PCI:2:7:0" EndSection Section "Device" . . Identifier "Card1" Driver "nv" VendorName "nVidia Corporation" BoardName "NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro]" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection the Display subsections in the Screen sections (for each screen) are like this for depths of 8,15,16,24 and 32: Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection john _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Jan 23 16:12:03 2004 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh server behind NAT In-Reply-To: <16401.36371.910216.154308@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16401.27750.725247.996804@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20040123202723.GH23032@fandre.com> <16401.36371.910216.154308@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20040123160402.A11451@baker.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 03:11:47PM -0600, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > >>>>> "CF" == Clay Fandre writes: > > CF> $ man ssh_config > CF> [snip] > CF> CheckHostIP > CF> If this flag is set to ``yes'', ssh will additionally > CF> check the host IP address in the known_hosts file. > CF> This allows ssh to detect if a host key changed due to > CF> DNS spoofing. If the option is set to ``no'', the > CF> check will not be executed. The default is ``yes''. > > I'm sorry to be dense, but I don't see how this helps. Since the two > machines are behind a NAT router, they both have the same IP address > (but different RSA keys). Right now I've set up so that the Strict > checking is off, and that allows my connections to go through, but ssh > still whines about it.... Two more possibilities from man ssh_config HostKeyAlias Specifies an alias that should be used instead of the real host name when looking up or saving the host key in the host key database files. This option is useful for tunneling ssh connec- tions or for multiple servers running on a single host. ProxyCommand Specifies the command to use to connect to the server. The command string extends to the end of the line, and is executed with /bin/sh. In the command string, '%h' will be substituted by the host name to connect and '%p' by the port. The command can be basically anything, and should read from its standard input and write to its standard output. It should eventually connect an sshd(8) server running on some machine, or execute sshd -i somewhere. Host key management will be done using the HostName of the host being connected (defaulting to the name typed by the user). Setting the command to ``none'' disables this option entirely. Note that CheckHostIP is not available for connects with a proxy command. It seems to me that HostKeyAlias should do want, but I have never actually used it. If not Proxycommand should simplify a way to kludge it. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Fri Jan 23 16:27:05 2004 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Feb speaker In-Reply-To: <20040122134247.6be1db29@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040122190643.GC11042@fandre.com> <20040122192727.GA19629@mail.el-swifto.com> <20040122134247.6be1db29@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20040123221549.GA7638@refried.org> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 01:42:47PM -0600, Josh Trutwin wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:27:27 -0600 > "John J. Trammell" wrote: > > => converting from BIND -> djbdns > > I would love to see this last one, I currently have to do a large > conversion in a couple weeks. Did it, http://www.tclug.org/meetings/pastnotes/djbdns.pdf. If you have any questions I can try to answer them on the list. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wnpauls2 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 17:02:25 2004 From: wnpauls2 at yahoo.com (Paul Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: <20040123221549.GA7638@refried.org> Message-ID: <20040123225622.40418.qmail@web60003.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Jan 23 17:06:49 2004 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ssh server behind NAT In-Reply-To: <20040123160402.A11451@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: Since my cable modem is DHCP, I have a DynDNS.org DNS entry that allows for wildcard entries... so zibby.isa-geek.net is my host, but hyperdrive.zibby.isa-geek.net longshot.zibby.isa-geek.net integral.zibby.isa-geek.net lsdfajdsaiodf.zibby.isa-geek.net etc. all work. So when I SSH in, I make sure I specify the host name of the machine, and SSH doesn't whine. I'm sure there are other ways of doing this, but it works for me so why change it? :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Jan 23 17:11:57 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: <20040123225622.40418.qmail@web60003.mail.yahoo.com>; from wnpauls2@yahoo.com on Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 02:56:22PM -0800 References: <20040123221549.GA7638@refried.org> <20040123225622.40418.qmail@web60003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040123170336.A5518@thinkunix.net> Paul Schumacher wrote: > I have a Sun Ultra 5 with built in internet card. Mandrake Linux does not seem to recognize it. it sounds obvious, but you are using sparc (not intel) linux, right? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jan 23 17:52:59 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: <20040123225622.40418.qmail@web60003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Paul Schumacher wrote: > I have a Sun Ultra 5 with built in internet card. Mandrake Linux does > not seem to recognize it. > > Anybody have any suggestions? Hmm. It's got the same motherboard as the Ultra 10 (which Beer is), which has the Happy Meal Ethernet (HME). (No, I'm not making that up.) So I know a bit about the hardware in question. What version of Mandrake is this? Kernel version? Does the HME show up in `lspci`? Is sunhme listed in `lsmod`? Is that the latest kernel Mandrake offers? Just trying to get somewhere near the problem. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Jan 23 18:18:27 2004 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4011B913.4060309@eworld3.net> > Hmm. It's got the same motherboard as the Ultra 10 (which Beer is), > which has the Happy Meal Ethernet (HME). (No, I'm not making that up.) I have an idea! How about giving away Knoppix or MandrakeMove CDs with Happy Meals! -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Jan 23 21:02:18 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Feb speaker References: <20040122190643.GC11042@fandre.com><20040122192727.GA19629@mail.el-swifto.com> <20040122195447.GA26628@iucha.net> Message-ID: <012801c3e226$5555d930$0201a8c0@brinstar> Florin Iucha writes: > What about other DNS daemons? I could probably give a talk on MyDNS, maybe along with scaling MySQL. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Jan 23 21:07:06 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Feb speaker References: <20040122190643.GC11042@fandre.com><20040122192727.GA19629@mail.el-swifto.com> <20040122195447.GA26628@iucha.net> Message-ID: <00cb01c3e225$70ab2ec0$0201a8c0@brinstar> -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florin Iucha" To: "tclug-list" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Feb speaker _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jan 23 21:55:53 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] St. cloud install fest In-Reply-To: <20040123151212.A11442@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20040123150151.A107@thinkunix.net> <20040123151212.A11442@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <34407.68.112.123.230.1074915912.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > http://slash.scalug.mn-linux.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/07/1549230 Sorry I haven't been pushing this all week. The installfest is a go, it starts at 12:00 at the KDV building. The above link has all the important info. It is FREE, even if you have nothing to offer you can come anyway. It's all fun! If you're bringing a PC, you will want to bring keyboard/mice/monitor if possible. Hope to see lots of people there! -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Fri Jan 23 23:53:40 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (On Topic) In-Reply-To: <4010D7EE.8080609@visi.com> References: <4010D7EE.8080609@visi.com> Message-ID: <200401232347.57456.jack@jacku.com> On Friday 23 January 2004 02:14 am, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > What linux needs is a good Wine inventory application. For all the Wine > people out there this would be a wonderful thing to build. Just thing of > tasting all that inventory so you really know what each wine tastes like > > :-) > > Sam. It's not really a Linux wine application but it is a place to start: http://www.marcelgagne.com/wine.html This URL is at the end of every "Cooking with Linux" column. Maybe you could interest Marcel in the project as the subject of a column. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Jan 24 00:02:12 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Technically it's possible for "residual magnetism" of the original data to make it become visible again. When a data pattern is stored a long time, neighboring particles "pile on" to reinforce the signal, whether a one or a zero, so the "old signal" is actually stronger than a new one. After many recordings, each scrambled in a different way, that residual pattern fades. These effects differ with minor changes in media, head, and recording signal technology. While this stuff is true and verifiable in a lab, only the paranoid and NSA types might care or be able to find these residual signals. So.. there's a reason for repeats, and the software utility people can't anticipate what a specific drive really needs so it's usually "sufficient overkill". Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Justin Kremer > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:31 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy > > > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Chris Frederick wrote: > > > Um... couldn't you just get any bootable linux distro, and do a > > dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hd?? > > or > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hd?? > > and achieve the same effect? Why would you need 50 passes? Isn't one > > enough? > > > > Chris Frederick > > Well, maybe you don't need 50, but more than one at least. > Here's the first link I found from this mailing list. I know this has > been discussed multiple times, but I can't seem to find the right words to > search for in google. > http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2002-November/054257.html > > ------------- > Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Jan 24 01:07:04 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3169.68.112.123.230.1074927602.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> > Technically it's possible for "residual magnetism" of the original data to > make it become visible again. And it has been done. I can't find the article, but there was an article about extreme data recovery on /. awhile ago. They were beta testing some computer voting systems, and the numbers didn't add up. They suspected the voting machine's audit trail would explain everything, but when they looked for the audit files they were nowhere to be found. What the (VERY highly paid) recovery expert determined is that Darik's boot and nuke had been run. Even after THIRTY FIVE passes, they were able to recover the data they needed. For a good technical read on data deletion and recovery, Peter Gutmann has a nice article: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html (Unix Wipe is based on his theories, Darik's boot and nuke is Unix Wipe on a floppy) While his paper is all theory, this has been proven: THERE IS NO SECURE DATA DELETION! The more passes you use, the more costly (time and $$$) it becomes. There is no data that can't be recovered. The trick is to obscure it enough that the cost of recovery is so astronomical that no one would try it. If you can't risk it: melt it, grind it, crush it, just make sure it never sees the light of day again. I've put a lot of thought into this, as I assist in putting government PCs into public auctions. Peter Gutmann's paper hangs in my cubicle, and not a single hard disk leaves the building without extreme scrutiny. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wnpauls2 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 01:30:13 2004 From: wnpauls2 at yahoo.com (Paul Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040124072353.95470.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wnpauls2 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 01:31:59 2004 From: wnpauls2 at yahoo.com (Paul Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: <4011B913.4060309@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20040124072226.95253.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wnpauls2 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 01:34:31 2004 From: wnpauls2 at yahoo.com (Paul Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] internet card on Sun Ultra 5 troubles. In-Reply-To: <20040123170336.A5518@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20040124072422.65866.qmail@web60005.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sat Jan 24 01:38:07 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy In-Reply-To: (message from Johnny Fulcrum on Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:30:52 -0600) References: <40118004.8010903@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <200401240734.i0O7Ydv29202@ecstasy.winternet.com> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >No it is not. One pass does not fully erase the data - some would argue >that you need to physically destroy the disk before all data is "gone". I've heard that forensic data recovery can restore data as far as seven rewrite generations. It is extremely expensive, but sometimes its worth it. So, maybe 10 "random number" passes would be enough to completely scramble the original data. Just to be safe, maybe 20 passes to stay ahead of the forensic data recovery technology curve. :) Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Jan 24 09:32:01 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hard Drive eraser - linux on a floppy In-Reply-To: <200401240734.i0O7Ydv29202@ecstasy.winternet.com> References: <40118004.8010903@cdf123.com> <200401240734.i0O7Ydv29202@ecstasy.winternet.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Ken Fuchs wrote: > I've heard that forensic data recovery can restore data as far as seven > rewrite generations. It is extremely expensive, but sometimes its worth > it. So, maybe 10 "random number" passes would be enough to completely > scramble the original data. Just to be safe, maybe 20 passes to stay > ahead of the forensic data recovery technology curve. :) at 20 passes on a 160GiB drive by the time it is done the forensic curve will have caught up and passed it by about 20 years. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Jan 24 11:11:06 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG meeting speaker suggestion Message-ID: <20040124165902.GA14962@mail.el-swifto.com> I think we should ask the person who filed this patent: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/04/15/2324253.shtml?tid=155 To come and talk. He lives in St. Paul. Not exactly Linux-specific, but might be interesting. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tusharrai at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 21:27:20 2004 From: tusharrai at yahoo.com (Tushar Rai) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disabling the Kernel version Message-ID: <20040124145500.98035.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jan 24 21:57:19 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disabling the Kernel version In-Reply-To: <20040124145500.98035.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040124145500.98035.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040125034821.GP15000@techmonkeys.org> You probably installed the kernel-source package, go to /usr/src/linux and edit your Makefile, inside is a line that says CUSTOMVERSION or something similar. Remove the 'custom' from the end of '20-8custom' and recompile the kernel modules you're working on. On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:55:00AM -0800, Tushar Rai wrote: > > Jamie , > i'm a university student and new in the field of device drivers for linux kernel,which i'm implementing for my project. i'm refering the book LINUX DEVICE DRIVERS Ed.2.(O'Reilly) which is written according to LINUX KERNEL 2.0-2.4 but the system i'm working on has got KERNEL 2.4.20-8(Red Hat 9.0).....in which the examples are not working... i wanted to know what kind of modification needed to run these examples or shall i have to change the kernel...The reply from O'Reilly was to downgrade the kernel . > My question is : How to downgrade my kernel ? or > HOW TO DISABLE VERSION SUPPORT IN LINUX KERNEL . Please give the exact step by step procedure . > > Hoping to get a reply soon, > Thanking you , > Tushar > CUSAT > India > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at mninter.net Sat Jan 24 23:51:45 2004 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disabling the Kernel version In-Reply-To: <20040124145500.98035.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040124145500.98035.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040125054151.GA628@duron.turboland.com> Tushar, You can tell the kernel to load a module even if it doesn't match the version info. Use insmod -f module.o There were some changes made to the methods used in polling for data some time around 2.0 or 2.2(I forget). I'd suggest googling for stand alone drivers that are similiar to the one you want to write. Google on "linux driver example" or something like this. Or you could just look at the actual history of the kernel source, pick out a simple driver included to see what changed. You should also learn how to compile and install a kernel. Heres a simple module to get you started: Makefile: # Makefile for test module KERNEL_INCLUDES=/usr/src/linux/include CFLAGS= -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -O -Wall -I$(KERNEL_INCLUDES) MODULES=simple.o all: $(MODULES) clean: rm -f *.o *~ core install: cp simple.o /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc simple.c: #include int init_module(void) { printk("<1>Hello, world\n"); return 0; } void cleanup_module(void) { printk("<1>Goodbye cruel world\n"); } On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:55:00AM -0800, Tushar Rai wrote: > > Jamie , > i'm a university student and new in the field of device drivers for > linux kernel,which i'm implementing for my project. i'm refering the > book LINUX DEVICE DRIVERS Ed.2.(O'Reilly) which is written according to > LINUX KERNEL 2.0-2.4 but the system i'm working on has got KERNEL > 2.4.20-8(Red Hat 9.0).....in which the examples are not working... > i wanted to know what kind of modification needed to run these examples > or shall i have to change the kernel...The reply from O'Reilly was to downg >rade the kernel . > My question is : How to downgrade my kernel ? or > HOW TO DISABLE VERSION SUPPORT IN LINUX KERNEL . > Please give the exact step by step procedure . > > Hoping to get a reply soon, > Thanking you , > Tushar > CUSAT > India > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sun Jan 25 08:41:43 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) $100 rebate on VMWare Workstation Message-ID: <20040125143346.GB11462@fandre.com> VMWare now has a LUG program with a $100 rebate. Check it out... -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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Here's a brief summary and his contact info: -Supplier of OEM-alternative parts and supplies for business equip. industry. -19,000 customers in 170 countries. -A 400 million dollar company poised for substantial growth this year. -1000 desk tops, 55 servers, and a 19 site WAN. -Bright people and a family environment (must be prepared to play cards with co-workers during lunches). -Located in Bloomington. -Great benefits package. **Candidates must have exp. with Microsoft servers, Novell, and an exposure to GroupWise. If you or anyone you know may be interested in finding out more, please forward a resume or contact me. Michael R Reitz Executive IT Recruiter Rapid Application Deployment, Inc. Interchange Building 400 S. Highway 169, Suite 425 St. Louis Park, MN 55426 E-mail: mreitz@rapiddeploy.com Phone: 952.253.9330 Ext 110 -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Jan 25 12:48:57 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401251841.i0PIf2026313@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Computer Hardware I have the following computer hardware for sale. If you or someone you know is looking for any of this type of hardware let me know. I have 4, tested and ready to go Compaq DeskPro EN 400 $20 Pentium II 400 mhz 192 MB RAM no hard drive 3.5 floppy CDROM -bootable- ATI AGP video USB no keyboard or mouse I have 3, tested and ready to go Compaq DeskPro EN 400 with Zip drv $25 Pentium II 400 mhz 192 MB RAM no hard drive 3.5 floppy CDROM -bootable- ATI AGP video USB no keyboard or mouse I have 15, tested and ready to go Compaq V75, 17 inch monitors $25 Tested and ready to go HP LaserJet 4 Plus laser printer $20 and a Lexmark Optra R+ laser printer $20 http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Sun Jan 25 21:41:32 2004 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) $100 rebate on VMWare Workstation Message-ID: <1075088018.93c600a0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> If I recall correctly, students get an already-reduced price of around $160 or so when I checked into it- this would put it into my price range. Thanks Clay! This program's great...I've used it before...price has kept it out of the realm of possibility. Now I'll look at it further. Unless someone has something better out there...I've looked at bochs, that only really supports 95/98 and NT for Windows OSes, I run XP on my boxes...Anything else that's relatively cheap or worth the extra cost? -----Original Message----- From: Clay Fandre To: tclug-list Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:33:47 -0600 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) $100 rebate on VMWare Workstation VMWare now has a LUG program with a $100 rebate. Check it out... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Sun Jan 25 21:49:33 2004 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better solution for spam? Message-ID: <4014895A.5DA79221@ppdonline.com> Hello, My spam levels are getting ridiculous again even with spam-assassin up and running. I'm thinking I want to basically do an entirely white-list approach with some sort of system for people to get on my white list. For example, a non-white list member sends me an email, the mail gets logged and a reply is sent automatically explaining that my spam filter has flagged them as possible spam and they should send me an email with an id number (unique to them) indicating that they are not a spam-bot. If they respond their original message gets through and they are added to my white list, if they don't respond within a given time limit the logged mail is sent to /dev/null. Anyway, this seems like such a sensible approach that someone must have something similar out there so I don't have to write it myself. Anybody know of a program like this? Anyone have a better suggestion? Thanks, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Jan 25 22:02:22 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better solution for spam? In-Reply-To: <4014895A.5DA79221@ppdonline.com> References: <4014895A.5DA79221@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Hello, > My spam levels are getting ridiculous again even with spam-assassin up > and running. I'm thinking I want to basically do an entirely white-list > approach with some sort of system for people to get on my white list. > For example, a non-white list member sends me an email, the mail gets > logged and a reply is sent automatically explaining that my spam filter > has flagged them as possible spam and they should send me an email with > an id number (unique to them) indicating that they are not a spam-bot. > If they respond their original message gets through and they are added > to my white list, if they don't respond within a given time limit the > logged mail is sent to /dev/null. Anyway, this seems like such a > sensible approach that someone must have something similar out there so > I don't have to write it myself. Anybody know of a program like this? > Anyone have a better suggestion? > Thanks, > Ben. you mean like a Tagged Message Delivery Agent? tmda.net though i have never used it sounds like reasonable idea provided the other end is at least somewhat cluefull. Which rules out the majority of the netizens i'm afraid. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Sun Jan 25 22:48:05 2004 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better solution for spam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Munir Nassar wrote: > you mean like a Tagged Message Delivery Agent? > > tmda.net > > though i have never used it sounds like reasonable idea provided the other > end is at least somewhat cluefull. I've never run it, but I've encountered it here and there. It seemed to be easy enough to authenticate against. > Which rules out the majority of the netizens i'm afraid. Is this necessarily a bad thing? Keeps out the riff-raff. :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Sun Jan 25 22:54:37 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better solution for spam? In-Reply-To: <4014895A.5DA79221@ppdonline.com> (ben_b@ppdonline.com) References: <4014895A.5DA79221@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <200401260447.i0Q4lLt23828@ecstasy.winternet.com> Ben Bargabus wrote: >My spam levels are getting ridiculous again even with spam-assassin up >and running. I'm thinking I want to basically do an entirely white-list >approach with some sort of system for people to get on my white list. >For example, a non-white list member sends me an email, the mail gets >logged and a reply is sent automatically explaining that my spam filter >has flagged them as possible spam and they should send me an email with >an id number (unique to them) indicating that they are not a spam-bot. >If they respond their original message gets through and they are added >to my white list, if they don't respond within a given time limit the >logged mail is sent to /dev/null. Anyway, this seems like such a >sensible approach that someone must have something similar out there so >I don't have to write it myself. Anybody know of a program like this? Challenge-response filters: Confirm >Anyone have a better suggestion? Here is a list of Bayesian filters that can reduce the SPAM flow to a mere trickle (ifile works well for me; it can file e-mail into many folders, not just SPAM and non-SPAM. I've heard that bogofilter is excellent and the creator of ifile uses it himself for its SPAM filtering effectiveness.): Annoyance Filter AntiSpam Mail Filter Bayesian Mail Filter Bayesian Probability Filtering Library bayespam (qmail) bogofilter CRM114 dbacl DSPAM ifile Naiban (Java Avalon/Keel) PASP (Python Anti-Spam Proxy) Poesia (Public Os Env...) POPFile (POP3 Web) Quick Spam Filter Spam Blocker SpamGAME SpamBayes SpamProbe Other SPAM filters (In my opinion these are not effective unless they include bayesian filter functionality): Internet peer filters: Anti-Spam Network Pyzor Vipul's Razor Procmail filters: junkfilter SpamAssassin SPASTIC The SpamBouncer Shell filters: webfilt for *nix Tracking filters: Kiwispam Web harvester protection: EScrambler Mailcloak _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at MarkCourtney.com Mon Jan 26 01:10:23 2004 From: tclug at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better solution for spam? Message-ID: <2456.192.168.2.228.1075100283.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> ASSP seems to do this kinda thing. I've never used it, but the docs have told me that it has a whitelist only mode where the sender must have a "code" in the message in order for the message to be delivered. http://assp.sourceforge.net/ Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ > Hello, > My spam levels are getting ridiculous again even with spam-assassin up and running. I'm thinking I want to basically do an entirely white-list approach with some sort of system for people to get on my white list. For example, a non-white list member sends me an email, the mail gets logged and a reply is sent automatically explaining that my spam filter has flagged them as possible spam and they should send me an email with an id number (unique to them) indicating that they are not a spam-bot. If they respond their original message gets through and they are added to my white list, if they don't respond within a given time limit the logged mail is sent to /dev/null. Anyway, this seems like such a sensible approach that someone must have something similar out there so I don't have to write it myself. Anybody know of a program like this? Anyone have a better suggestion? > Thanks, > Ben. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Jan 26 05:36:23 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better solution for spam? In-Reply-To: <4014895A.5DA79221@ppdonline.com> References: <4014895A.5DA79221@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <200401260524.40473.barnabas@knicknack.net> I really like the Sender Permitted From mechanism (http://spf.pobox.com). It allows you to designate which hosts are permitted to send mail from domains which you control. You can also check incoming mail to see if the sending domain has specified SPF and, if so, if the mail is coming from an authorized host. It's not widely adopted yet, but if and when it is, it could put a big dent in spam, since most of it has forged addresses. I'm encouraging everyone I know to implement it. Eric On Sunday 25 January 2004 21:28, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Hello, > My spam levels are getting ridiculous again even with spam-assassin up > and running. I'm thinking I want to basically do an entirely white-list > approach with some sort of system for people to get on my white list. > For example, a non-white list member sends me an email, the mail gets > logged and a reply is sent automatically explaining that my spam filter > has flagged them as possible spam and they should send me an email with > an id number (unique to them) indicating that they are not a spam-bot. > If they respond their original message gets through and they are added > to my white list, if they don't respond within a given time limit the > logged mail is sent to /dev/null. Anyway, this seems like such a > sensible approach that someone must have something similar out there so > I don't have to write it myself. Anybody know of a program like this? > Anyone have a better suggestion? > Thanks, > Ben. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Jan 26 07:55:24 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer Hardware Message-ID: <40151ADE.8030409@visi.com> First I want to thank everyone for the response! Second all the computers are sold so I pulled the add. I hope to get more of these machines in the next few weeks. I have lots of the 17 inch monitors and the printers. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Jan 26 08:26:10 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video modes in X Message-ID: I have two Dell P1110 monitors and 2 video cards in my system: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro] (rev 15) 02:07.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro 215GP (rev 5c) trying to run both at: 1600 x 1200 at 85 Hz using xfree-4.3.0-r3 (gentoo) at a depth of 24 one will be at 106.1 Khz/85 Hz 1600x1200 and the other at 87.7Khz/70Hz 1600x1200 at a depth of 16 both are at 106.1Khz/85Hz 1600x1200 (and I don't feel like I'm going to puke!) I don't understand why one monitor will drop down in hsync and VerticalSync. Maybe my XF86Config file is lacking? Can I force refresh rates (H and V) on the mode lines? Anyone have a favorite resource for figuring this out.. I must be googling with the wrong word. not getting much info. here's what I do have inmy XF86Config: Both monitors are the same so here's the monitor section: Section "Monitor" #DisplaySize 400 300 # mm Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "DEL" ModelName "DELL P1110" Option "DPMS" HorizSync 30-121 VertRefresh 48-160 EndSection Here's the vid cards section (leaving out comments): Section "Device" . . Identifier "Card0" Driver "ati" VendorName "ATI" BoardName "3D Rage Pro 215GP" ChipSet "ati" ChipId 0x4750 ChipRev 0x5c BusID "PCI:2:7:0" EndSection Section "Device" . . Identifier "Card1" Driver "nv" VendorName "nVidia Corporation" BoardName "NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro]" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection the Display subsections in the Screen sections (for each screen) are like this for depths of 8,15,16,24 and 32: Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection john _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Mon Jan 26 08:36:03 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video modes in X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4015243F.50402@druswanderings.net> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: Can I force refresh > rates (H and V) on the mode lines? Anyone have a favorite resource for > figuring this out.. xvidtune That will give you the modelines to put in your Config. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pclinux at charter.net Mon Jan 26 09:46:29 2004 From: pclinux at charter.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040126093823.01cb33e8@pop.charter.net> I'll take the HP Laser. Email me off-list, thanks. At 05:34 AM 1/26/2004, you wrote: .................. >Tested and ready to go >HP LaserJet 4 Plus laser printer $20 > and a >Lexmark Optra R+ laser printer $20 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Jan 26 10:26:11 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video modes in X In-Reply-To: <4015243F.50402@druswanderings.net> References: <4015243F.50402@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:29:19 -0600, The Wandering Dru wrote: > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Can I force refresh >> rates (H and V) on the mode lines? Anyone have a favorite resource for >> figuring this out.. > > xvidtune > Great tool! thanks! I also found that adding this to my XF86Config file helps: Section "ServerFlags" Option "Xinerama" "true" EndSection with out that I get two independent desktops (I'm using fluxbox).... My eyes seem to like the xinerama feature - it streaches one desktop accross both monitors instead of two indepenednt ones.... l8or johnnf > That will give you the modelines to put in your Config. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Jan 26 10:56:12 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server Message-ID: <20040126165452.GC21724@fandre.com> Has anyone gotten PHP on Linux to access a MS SQL Server? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ve2wnf at amsat.org Mon Jan 26 11:13:13 2004 From: ve2wnf at amsat.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9?= Champagne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UDF reader for linux Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040125165626.02451238@pop.primus.ca> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Mon Jan 26 11:19:48 2004 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:46:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Better solution for spam? In-Reply-To: <4014895A.5DA79221@ppdonline.com> References: <4014895A.5DA79221@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <1151.192.168.2.228.1075093169.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> ASSP seems to do this kinda thing. I've never used it, but the docs have told me that it has a whitelist only mode where the sender must have a "code" in the message in order for the message to be delivered. http://assp.sourceforge.net/ Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ > Hello, > My spam levels are getting ridiculous again even with spam-assassin up > and running. I'm thinking I want to basically do an entirely white-list > approach with some sort of system for people to get on my white list. > For example, a non-white list member sends me an email, the mail gets > logged and a reply is sent automatically explaining that my spam filter > has flagged them as possible spam and they should send me an email with > an id number (unique to them) indicating that they are not a spam-bot. > If they respond their original message gets through and they are added > to my white list, if they don't respond within a given time limit the > logged mail is sent to /dev/null. Anyway, this seems like such a > sensible approach that someone must have something similar out there so > I don't have to write it myself. Anybody know of a program like this? > Anyone have a better suggestion? > Thanks, > Ben. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Sam at MinnesotaJobs.com Mon Jan 26 11:21:56 2004 From: Sam at MinnesotaJobs.com (Sam Morse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <200401261445.i0QEjJtL004270@localhost.localdomain> >From: "Ben Bargabus" >Subject: [TCLUG] Better solution for spam?. > >Hello, >My spam levels are getting ridiculous again even with spam-assassin up >and running. I'm thinking I want to basically do an entirely white-list >approach with some sort of system for people to get on my white list. >For example, a non-white list member sends me an email, the mail gets >logged and a reply is sent automatically explaining that my spam filter >has flagged them as possible spam and they should send me an email with >an id number (unique to them) indicating that they are not a spam-bot. >If they respond their original message gets through and they are added >to my white list, if they don't respond within a given time limit the >logged mail is sent to /dev/null. Anyway, this seems like such a sensible approach that someone must have something similar out there so >I don't have to write it myself. Anybody know of a program like this? >Anyone have a better suggestion? >Thanks, >Ben. We're using confirm (search sourceforge.net confirm). It doesn't work out of the box. After a fair amount of tweaking, we got it to work. It's very basic. People sending e-mail need to simply reply to the confirmation message. However, after you fix the bugs, it works very well at eliminating spam. We set up a cron task in the wee hours that collects all the garbage e-mail and sends them to us as one big e-mail so we can go through it quickly (if we want) and see if there's anything worthwile (usually not). Setting up the cron task is explained in the documentation. You need to be confortable with procmail scripts to fix confirm. We're not, so it was a bit of work for us to clean it up. Also, we developed a simple web form and script so we could add people to our personal white listes as needed. Thus, if we expected an e-mail from someone, we could avoid the automatic confirmation e-mail sent to them. ----------------------------------------------------- Sam Morse Client Services Manager mailto:sam@MinnesotaJobs.com http://MinnesotaJobs.com 763.784.9393 X201 (V) 763.784.1090 (F) CareerXRoads Best of the Best Web site - 2003 http://minnesotajobs.com/cxr.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Mon Jan 26 11:26:11 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server In-Reply-To: <20040126165452.GC21724@fandre.com> References: <20040126165452.GC21724@fandre.com> Message-ID: <40154A3B.1070908@cdf123.com> Clay Fandre wrote: >Has anyone gotten PHP on Linux to access a MS SQL Server? > > Yes, http://www.freetds.org/ http://www.unixodbc.org/ The install can get a bit ugly, so I'd recommend setting it up on a spare server before trying on a production system. It took me a while to find where my odbc.ini files are and which ones are actually being used. Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Jan 26 11:35:06 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server In-Reply-To: <20040126165452.GC21724@fandre.com> References: <20040126165452.GC21724@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20040126111438.6d80592a@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:54:52 -0600 Clay Fandre wrote: > Has anyone gotten PHP on Linux to access a MS SQL Server? No, but here are some instructions: http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.mssql.php (assuming you haven't already found these). I guess you need to install FreeTDS on the Linux box. josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Jan 26 11:41:18 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server In-Reply-To: <20040126165452.GC21724@fandre.com> References: <20040126165452.GC21724@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1075137942.9251.42.camel@unixws1> I've got a side project working on Perl/DBI -> MS SQL. No luck yet, but I'm very close. I haven't touched it in a few weeks, so this is from memory... I know nothing about MS SQL, but my current roadblock seems to be that I need to give the driver a hostname/IP to connect to, and the SQL guys won't give me one because "it's a cluster". Well whoop-de-doo, Captain Kangaroo - but something, somewhere needs to have an IP so I can talk to it. Grrr...kill... But everything seemed to compile okay. Check out FreeTDS and libIODBC, that should get you going in the right direction For my Perl stuff I needed DBI, DBD::ODBC, and some other junk to make the MS SQL driver happy. There's so many layers of abstraction here - Perl needs DBI which needs DBD which needs ODBC which needs an MS SQL driver, which needs some more glue. I'm about to start sniffing all this glue to ease the pain! Gah! On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 10:54, Clay Fandre wrote: > Has anyone gotten PHP on Linux to access a MS SQL Server? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Jan 26 11:42:13 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server In-Reply-To: <20040126165452.GC21724@fandre.com> Message-ID: <003701c3e42f$21b7df00$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > Has anyone gotten PHP on Linux to access a MS SQL Server? Yep, it was a big pain, but I did it. I used the FreeTDS odbc driver for MS SQL, and unixODBC that came with redhat. If I were more inclined towards recompiling PHP, however, I would have updated to the latest php and used the native php support, but I wanted to keep redhat happy. See also: http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6636&mode=thread&order=0 Good luck, I'd be happy to answer any questions if it can help... Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Jan 26 12:12:09 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server Message-ID: Hello! >>> adamm@sihope.com 01/26/04 11:25AM >>> >I've got a side project working on Perl/DBI -> MS SQL. No luck yet, but >I'm very close. I haven't touched it in a few weeks, so this is from >memory... >I know nothing about MS SQL, but my current roadblock seems to be that I >need to give the driver a hostname/IP to connect to, and the SQL guys >won't give me one because "it's a cluster". Well whoop-de-doo, Captain >Kangaroo - but something, somewhere needs to have an IP so I can talk to >it. Grrr...kill... But everything seemed to compile okay. Then say "Oh. OK, give me all of their IP addresses." Or, have them give you whatever the want to give you WRT connection info and look it up (findsmb, ethereal,...). >Check out FreeTDS and libIODBC, that should get you going in the right >direction For my Perl stuff I needed DBI, DBD::ODBC, and some other >junk to make the MS SQL driver happy. There's so many layers of >abstraction here - Perl needs DBI which needs DBD which needs ODBC which >needs an MS SQL driver, which needs some more glue. I'm about to start >sniffing all this glue to ease the pain! Gah! You could try DBD::Sybase too, but that might require OpenClient libraries from Sybase. This was a bad week to stop sniffing glue...;-) >On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 10:54, Clay Fandre wrote: >> Has anyone gotten PHP on Linux to access a MS SQL Server? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bfriedman at exstream.com Mon Jan 26 12:15:56 2004 From: bfriedman at exstream.com (Brent Friedman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server Message-ID: <2959A34255F0CA40BC27DCB7003052D84D47AD@rye.exstream.com> If you continue to see ugly things when trying to connect php and MS SQL Server, here is a kludge I have used in a similar situation: Use a java wrapper class and jdbc driver to handle the interaction. The only trouble I had was passing BLOBs, but I just made a special wrapper to deal with them specifically. Probably not portable, but it might get you up and running more quickly than researching the other options. Brent Friedman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Jan 26 13:04:15 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server In-Reply-To: <003701c3e42f$21b7df00$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <20040126165452.GC21724@fandre.com> <003701c3e42f$21b7df00$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <20040126185859.GF21724@fandre.com> On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > > Has anyone gotten PHP on Linux to access a MS SQL Server? > > Yep, it was a big pain, but I did it. I used the FreeTDS odbc > driver for MS SQL, and unixODBC that came with redhat. If I were more > inclined towards recompiling PHP, however, I would have updated to the > latest php and used the native php support, but I wanted to keep redhat > happy. > > See also: > http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6636&mode=thread&order=0 > > Good luck, I'd be happy to answer any questions if it can help... Thanks for the article. So I can connect with tsql just fine. But when I try to connect with isql, it errors out: # isql -v SMS username password [unixODBC]Client unable to establish connection [ISQL]ERROR: Could not SQLConnect Google reveals that others on RH9 are also having this problem, but no solution. Is this a RH9 problem? Here's my /etc/odbc.ini: [SMS] Description = SMS Driver = TDS Servername = server1 Database = Databasename UID = username PWD = password Port = 1433 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Jan 26 13:16:15 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server In-Reply-To: <20040126185859.GF21724@fandre.com> Message-ID: <003e01c3e43f$ddf21bd0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> I had the same problem, make sure you define your server in /usr/local/etc/freetds.conf like so: [server1] host = server.domain.com or IP port = 1433 tds version = 7.0 Does that help? Matt > Google reveals that others on RH9 are also having this > problem, but no solution. Is this a RH9 problem? > > Here's my /etc/odbc.ini: > > [SMS] > Description = SMS > Driver = TDS > Servername = server1 > Database = Databasename > UID = username > PWD = password > Port = 1433 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Jan 26 13:31:09 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server In-Reply-To: <003e01c3e43f$ddf21bd0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <20040126185859.GF21724@fandre.com> <003e01c3e43f$ddf21bd0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <20040126192420.GG21724@fandre.com> On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > > I had the same problem, make sure you define your server in > /usr/local/etc/freetds.conf like so: > > [server1] > host = server.domain.com or IP > port = 1433 > tds version = 7.0 > > Does that help? > Nope. Still getting the error. I turned on debugging and here is what I get in the /tmp/freetds.log: Starting log file with debug level 99. 2004-01-26 13:20:59.228231 iconv will convert client-side data to the "" character set 2004-01-26 13:20:59.228837 IP address pointer is NULL 2004-01-26 13:20:59.228904 Server SYBASE not found! [root@wolf etc]# _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Mon Jan 26 13:46:14 2004 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server In-Reply-To: <20040126185859.GF21724@fandre.com> References: <20040126165452.GC21724@fandre.com> <003701c3e42f$21b7df00$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <20040126185859.GF21724@fandre.com> Message-ID: <40156934.9090001@cdf123.com> Clay Fandre wrote: > So I can connect with tsql just fine. But when I try to connect with > >isql, it errors out: ># isql -v SMS username password >[unixODBC]Client unable to establish connection >[ISQL]ERROR: Could not SQLConnect > >Google reveals that others on RH9 are also having this problem, but no >solution. Is this a RH9 problem? > >Here's my /etc/odbc.ini: > >[SMS] >Description = SMS >Driver = TDS >Servername = server1 >Database = Databasename >UID = username >PWD = password >Port = 1433 > > > > /etc/odbc.ini isn't always the file that is being used. I had to symlink this file to /usr/local/etc/odbc.ini and /root/.odbc.ini before it worked. You may need to do the same with odbcinst.ini as well. Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Jan 26 13:51:17 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server In-Reply-To: <003e01c3e43f$ddf21bd0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <20040126185859.GF21724@fandre.com> <003e01c3e43f$ddf21bd0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <20040126192759.GH21724@fandre.com> Nevermind. I figured it out. I had the database name in the freetds.conf instead of the servername. On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Matt Murphy wrote: > > I had the same problem, make sure you define your server in > /usr/local/etc/freetds.conf like so: > > [server1] > host = server.domain.com or IP > port = 1433 > tds version = 7.0 > > Does that help? > > Matt > > > Google reveals that others on RH9 are also having this > > problem, but no solution. Is this a RH9 problem? > > > > Here's my /etc/odbc.ini: > > > > [SMS] > > Description = SMS > > Driver = TDS > > Servername = server1 > > Database = Databasename > > UID = username > > PWD = password > > Port = 1433 > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Jan 26 13:56:02 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHP (on Linux)->SQL Server In-Reply-To: <20040126192420.GG21724@fandre.com> Message-ID: <004101c3e443$2af97880$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Ahh, looks like your local wins/dns isn't working, try using the IP address. Matt > address pointer is NULL 2004-01-26 13:20:59.228904 Server > SYBASE not found! [root@wolf etc]# _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Jan 26 14:41:21 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UDF reader for linux In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040125165626.02451238@pop.primus.ca> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040125165626.02451238@pop.primus.ca> Message-ID: <20040126202354.GC19344@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Michael.Bresnahan at bestbuy.com Mon Jan 26 14:46:10 2004 From: Michael.Bresnahan at bestbuy.com (Bresnahan, Michael) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List of Modules from CVS Message-ID: <4B412CBD2F57DE4D8163A1B4C0D987998B92C7@ds67mail.na.bestbuy.com> Hows does one reliably get a list of ALL modules from a CVS repository that one does not have direct file access to? I know about 'cvs co -c', but that does not work if nothing is in the CVSROOT/modules file and it is very common for it to be empty. There must be some other way, because the CVS plugin that comes with WebSphere Studio Application Developer is able to get a list. The one that comes with Eclipse might also, but I have not used it. I did a fair amount of googling on the subject and mostly what I found are references to 'cvs co -c'. I also found some vague references to some hacks involving 'cvs history'. Can help anyone lend some insight? The next thing I might try is looking at the source code for the Eclipse CVS plugin. Mike Bresnahan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Jan 26 14:51:01 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OMG Message-ID: <40157ACC.3040802@visi.com> Could M$ be more stupid, going after a 17 year old. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Mon Jan 26 15:05:34 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OMG In-Reply-To: <40157ACC.3040802@visi.com> Message-ID: <004901c3e44e$e5262450$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > Could M$ be more stupid, going after a 17 year old. Did they have to prove their stupidity level to anyone on this list? Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Mon Jan 26 15:15:02 2004 From: rware at interplastic.com (rware@interplastic.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OMG Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF664B653@ipserver2.interplastic.com> $urely you je$t ;) > -----Original Me$$age----- > From: $amuel MacDonald [mailto:$mac@vi$i.com] > $ent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:39 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing Li$t > $ubject: [TCLUG] OMG > > > Could M$ be more $tupid, going after a 17 year old. > > $am. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing Li$t - Minneapoli$/$t. Paul, Minne$ota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-li$t@mn-linux.org > http$://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/li$tinfo/tclug-li$t > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From after at nan2d.com Mon Jan 26 15:17:13 2004 From: after at nan2d.com (Andrei Bazhgin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OMG In-Reply-To: <40157ACC.3040802@visi.com> References: <40157ACC.3040802@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040126210721.GA86744@nan2d.com> The case is resolved: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/26/1816210&mode=nested&tid=109&tid=187&tid=98&tid=99 Its really cool that Microsoft, instead of it's cold hearted ways, setled this nicely. The kid god some cool gifts too. Here is the snip from slashdot: "CNN's reporting that Microsoft Corp has settled with Mike Rowe, persuading the teenager to give up his domain name in exchange for costs of changing the existing domain to a new Web site, Microsoft certification training, an Xbox, an invitation to a technology festival at Redmond and some other gifts. Includes a choice quote from Microsoft spokesman Jim Desler: 'We wanted to do this in a way that's going to foster his interest in technology'. Mike had received a 25-page letter from Microsoft informing him he was committing copyright infringement, and threatening legal action, as reported earlier on Slashdot." Best. News. Evar. On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 02:38:36PM -0600, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Could M$ be more stupid, going after a 17 year old. > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- andrei bazhgin | aftermath | programmer | nan2d.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Jan 26 15:27:55 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OMG In-Reply-To: <004901c3e44e$e5262450$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <004901c3e44e$e5262450$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <40158546.9060204@visi.com> No they don't, but it's so lame and in the character (or lack of it) for them to do something like this. Sam. Matt Murphy wrote: >>Could M$ be more stupid, going after a 17 year old. >> >> > > Did they have to prove their stupidity level to anyone on this >list? > >Matt > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Mon Jan 26 16:31:16 2004 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OMG In-Reply-To: <40158546.9060204@visi.com> References: <004901c3e44e$e5262450$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <40158546.9060204@visi.com> Message-ID: <4015961D.4040400@visi.com> Don't discount the role of lawyers in this whole mess. If they don't deal with this guy they may disadvantage themselves in defending their trademark with the next guy. Bad lawyers tend to think only in terms of legal solutions. Obviously someone stepped in and suggested they give the kid a little cash and a conference pass - the problem went away. What you should worry about is when they become sufficiently smooth that this type of thing never hits the press. Then the true assimilation can begin :-) BTW, in their conference call last week they reported that they have $53B US cash on hand. --rick Samuel MacDonald wrote: > No they don't, but it's so lame and in the character (or lack of it) > for them to do something like this. > > Sam. > > Matt Murphy wrote: > >>> Could M$ be more stupid, going after a 17 year old. >>> >> >> >> Did they have to prove their stupidity level to anyone on this >> list? >> >> Matt >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Jan 26 20:51:34 2004 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OMG References: <004901c3e44e$e5262450$160a0a0a@tctech.com><40158546.9060204@visi.com> <4015961D.4040400@visi.com> Message-ID: <01d701c3e47f$05783790$0201a8c0@brinstar> Richard Hoffbeck writes: > BTW, in their conference call last week > they reported that they have $53B US cash on hand. That information is available for any publically traded company: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=MSFT -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Mon Jan 26 20:56:25 2004 From: david.blevins at visi.com (david.blevins@visi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MythTV, pleasant or pain? Message-ID: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Anyone have any experience with MythTV? Likes/dislikes? Any other solutions you like better? I'm primarily interested in building collections of shows to burn to dvd later. Just purchased an ATI AIW 9000 Pro, which I'd have to return as they are not supported. The program seems to be slicker than snot, but would love some user feedback before I start tearing my system appart and purchasing new hardware specifically for this purpose. -- David Blevins _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Jan 27 01:11:21 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /proc in a chroot jail? Message-ID: <20040127010219.38ad482f@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Hi list, I'm trying to setup a chroot jail for some of my students and I am providing a java compiler for their development use since part of the class is programming java. Due to a strange bug/feature in java 1.4.2, java/javac/etc will not function without a /proc filesystem. (http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4861802.html - fixed for Solaris users) So, I made a /proc file system in their jail using: mount -t proc proc /usr/local/mychroot/proc A little bit of searching tells me that this is a security risk. Does anyone here know anything more about this? I saw somewhere googling that it is possible using a 2.4.x kernel to make a "more secure /proc filesystem" but they didn't say how. I suppose by providing a java compiler I'm already making the chroot somewhat insecure. Does anyone have opinions on the security a chroot jail provides for login accounts? I've seen stuff like this on the web and it makes me a little antsy: http://www.bpfh.net/simes/computing/chroot-break.html but it's better than just giving full system access I guess. Also, do people make /dev in their chroots? If so, how? Thx, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Jan 27 08:48:44 2004 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MythTV, pleasant or pain? Message-ID: Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> david.blevins@visi.com 01/26/04 08:43PM >>> > Anyone have any experience with MythTV? Likes/dislikes? Any other > solutions you like better? > I'm primarily interested in building collections of shows to burn to > dvd later. Just purchased an ATI AIW 9000 Pro, which I'd have to > return as they are not supported. The program seems to be slicker > than snot, but would love some user feedback before I start tearing my > system appart and purchasing new hardware specifically for this > purpose. I've got an AIW Radeon in a system I'm getting ready to convert to Linux. The research so far shows that the AIW is supported on Freevo using the GATOS drivers. Mind you, I haven't tried it yet, but people are reporting success with that combination. Personally, I like the AIW cards, and I intend to make it work. Bruce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Jan 27 08:50:51 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List of Modules from CVS In-Reply-To: <4B412CBD2F57DE4D8163A1B4C0D987998B92C7@ds67mail.na.bestbuy.com> References: <4B412CBD2F57DE4D8163A1B4C0D987998B92C7@ds67mail.na.bestbuy.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:19:53 -0600, Bresnahan, Michael wrote: > Hows does one reliably get a list of ALL modules from a CVS repository > that one does not have direct file access to? I know about 'cvs co -c', > but that does not work if nothing is in the CVSROOT/modules file and it > is very common for it to be empty. Although it may not be a solution to your problem, checkout viewcvs - it's a big ol' cgi script run thoguh apache. lets users browse, diff and download files from your repositories. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Jan 27 09:01:00 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MythTV, pleasant or pain? In-Reply-To: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> References: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:43:36 -0600, wrote: > Anyone have any experience with MythTV? Likes/dislikes? Any other > solutions you like better? > Join the email list for a month - read what others ae having trouble with. I was all ready to jump in and do it with new hardware and a PVR350, but now i've cooled my jets. It looks like a LOT of time to get everything going with a PVR350. I'm now using a older system to try my hand at it..... > I'm primarily interested in building collections of shows to burn to > dvd later. Just purchased an ATI AIW 9000 Pro, which I'd have to > return as they are not supported. The program seems to be slicker > than snot, but would love some user feedback before I start tearing my > system appart and purchasing new hardware specifically for this > purpose. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at fruitioninc.com Tue Jan 27 09:46:43 2004 From: mike at fruitioninc.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List of Modules from CVS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the repository nor am I excited about approaching the repository's administrator with a cost saving new idea. I'd prefer to work around the corporate barriers to efficiency. Am I part of the problem or part of the solution? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Johnny Fulcrum > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:44 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] List of Modules from CVS > > > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:19:53 -0600, Bresnahan, Michael > wrote: > > > Hows does one reliably get a list of ALL modules from a CVS repository > > that one does not have direct file access to? I know about 'cvs co -c', > > but that does not work if nothing is in the CVSROOT/modules file and it > > is very common for it to be empty. > > Although it may not be a solution to your problem, checkout > viewcvs - it's > a big ol' cgi script run thoguh apache. lets users browse, diff and > download files from your repositories. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Tue Jan 27 09:57:19 2004 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pgp keyserver and spam In-Reply-To: References: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: So after protecting my email address fairly good and getting no spam for the past 2 years on it, I made the mistake of uploading my PGP key to MIT's keyserver. I did this only a few days ago, and I'm getting spam on both email addresses that are attached to my key. Spammers suck. The good news is that I can buy viagra cheaply, and I found out about a great business deal to help someone get some money out of Nigeria. -jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Tue Jan 27 09:57:19 2004 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MythTV, pleasant or pain? In-Reply-To: References: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: I wish someone would port the client side of MythTV to OS X. I've got a linux box in my basement that's just itching for some Myth lovin', but I want to be able to watch it on my OSX box. -jay On Jan 27, 2004, at 8:49 AM, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:43:36 -0600, wrote: > >> Anyone have any experience with MythTV? Likes/dislikes? Any other >> solutions you like better? >> > > Join the email list for a month - read what others ae having trouble > with. > > I was all ready to jump in and do it with new hardware and a PVR350, > but now i've cooled my jets. > > > It looks like a LOT of time to get everything going with a PVR350. > I'm now using a older system to try my hand at it..... > > >> I'm primarily interested in building collections of shows to burn to >> dvd later. Just purchased an ATI AIW 9000 Pro, which I'd have to >> return as they are not supported. The program seems to be slicker >> than snot, but would love some user feedback before I start tearing my >> system appart and purchasing new hardware specifically for this >> purpose. >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 10:02:02 2004 From: Scott_J_Julian at comcast.net (Scott J Julian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pgp keyserver and spam References: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <000d01c3e4ee$42dbdb40$6401a8c0@xp2100> HAHAHAHAHAHA:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Austad" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:44 AM Subject: [TCLUG] pgp keyserver and spam > So after protecting my email address fairly good and getting no spam > for the past 2 years on it, I made the mistake of uploading my PGP key > to MIT's keyserver. I did this only a few days ago, and I'm getting > spam on both email addresses that are attached to my key. Spammers > suck. > > The good news is that I can buy viagra cheaply, and I found out about a > great business deal to help someone get some money out of Nigeria. > > -jay > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pcrissman at lwcc.org Tue Jan 27 12:41:02 2004 From: pcrissman at lwcc.org (Phil Crissman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OMG In-Reply-To: <4015961D.4040400@visi.com> References: <004901c3e44e$e5262450$160a0a0a@tctech.com> <40158546.9060204@visi.com> <4015961D.4040400@visi.com> Message-ID: <1075206823.3792.22.camel@localhost> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Tue Jan 27 14:14:16 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Admin 101 question Message-ID: Hey everyone, I've got several Postgres databases on a machine that I need to backup. I've got a backup shell script that works fine, but it runs as the "postgres" user and I need a directory where I can save the backups. This is a Debian server. I see there's a /var/backups folder so I thought maybe I would create a /var/backups/postgres folder and save the backups there. I set the permissions and ownership of the directory to: drwxrwsr-x 2 root postgres 160 Jan 27 13:50 postgres I get the following error when I run the backup script as the postgres user: pg_dump: [custom archiver] could not open archive file /var/backups/postgres/mtdb.out: Permission denied What am I doing wrong? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Jan 27 14:57:11 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Admin 101 question In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 02:00:37PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040127145453.D2170@thinkunix.net> Tim Wilson wrote: > I've got several Postgres databases on a machine that I need to backup. I've > got a backup shell script that works fine, but it runs as the "postgres" > user and I need a directory where I can save the backups. This is a Debian > server. > > I see there's a /var/backups folder so I thought maybe I would create a > /var/backups/postgres folder and save the backups there. I set the > permissions and ownership of the directory to: > > drwxrwsr-x 2 root postgres 160 Jan 27 13:50 postgres > > I get the following error when I run the backup script as the postgres user: > > pg_dump: [custom archiver] could not open archive file > /var/backups/postgres/mtdb.out: Permission denied > > What am I doing wrong? Tim, try this: su - su - postgres cd /var/backups/postgres touch some_file does that work? is the postgres user in the "postgres" group (see /etc/group)? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Tue Jan 27 15:52:22 2004 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Admin 101 question In-Reply-To: <20040127145453.D2170@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On 1/27/04 2:54 PM, "Scot Jenkins" wrote: > try this: > su - > su - postgres > cd /var/backups/postgres > touch some_file > > does that work? That worked. I was able to create an empty file using touch. > is the postgres user in the "postgres" group (see /etc/group)? It wasn't as it turned out. I added the postgres user to the postgres group: postgres:x:32:postgres I got the same errors after making the changes you suggested: pg_dump: [custom archiver] could not open archive file /var/backups/postgres/mtdb.out: Permission denied Interesingly, there is a zero-length file in /var/backups/postgres created by the backup script: -rw-r--r-- 1 root postgres 0 Jan 27 15:16 mtdb.out Any other suggestions? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto: wilson@visi.com aim: tis270 public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Jan 27 16:25:54 2004 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MythTV, pleasant or pain? In-Reply-To: References: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <20040127221542.GL24313@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Jan 27 17:21:23 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo Down Load Site and Hardware Message-ID: <4016F09D.6040406@visi.com> Wow! I decided to down load the Gentoo ISO's and build from the 2 CD's. I'm getting (remember I have basic DSL) 26.0Kbs down load form Seren Innovations. Seren is in Minneapolis it's a spin off of NSP. The connection is rock solid at 26.0 Kbs Hardware A friend of mine wants a gaming machine (M$) the price point is about $600 and he wants it to come from a local provider. Video is an ATI 9800 with 256MB of DDR. This is a list of the hardware I'm looking at for him, any comments or advice on the hardware? I looked at both General Nano Systems and Tranmicro as the places to purchase the parts. General Nano has much better prices then Tranmicro. Processor AMD Athalon XP ? 2.xghz 333mhz-FSB 512K Cache Motherboard Abit KV7 KT600 Sound,Lan,133ATA 333/400mhz-FSB or Asus A7N8X Sound, Lan, 133ATA 333/400mhz-FSB or Gigabyte 7N400-L Sound, Lan 133ATA 333/400mhz-FSB Memory PC3200 333mhz 512 MB Case Raidmax 868WS 420 watt PS CDRW Plexor DVDROM Sony Keyboard & Mouse(Optical) Logitech PS2 / USB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jan 27 22:37:39 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] odd syslog entries on Mandrake 8.1 Message-ID: <32796.69.46.204.18.1075263470.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> After a recent power failure and reboot, I discovered these entries in my syslog. Each service that starts, I'm noticing it's encapsulated in: ?end? ?hide? Any idea what these mean? I don't remember seeing them before, and with the extra character they seem a little suspicious. This is running on a Mandrake 8.1 box. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Jan 27 22:52:33 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo Down Load Site and Hardware In-Reply-To: <4016F09D.6040406@visi.com> References: <4016F09D.6040406@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040127224323.26718177@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:13:33 -0600 Samuel MacDonald wrote: [...] > General Nano has much better prices then Tranmicro. As is almost always the case in my opinion. I don't understand how Tranmicro has a market when they are located right next to Gen. Nano, but that's me I guess. I always go to Gen. Nano. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Jan 27 23:24:57 2004 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo Down Load Site and Hardware In-Reply-To: <4016F09D.6040406@visi.com> References: <4016F09D.6040406@visi.com> Message-ID: <20040128051319.GE19344@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 28 00:09:28 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo Message-ID: <40174F3A.3000602@visi.com> I can't seam to get the network running when installing I booted the CD and typed "gentoo dopcmcia" It found the pcmcia sockets but it does not find the Xircom IIps I'm a bit lost at this point because I don't know which driver to use for the Xircom IIps I looked in the /lib/modules/'name' /kernel/net. Or even if I have a choice or if I have to wait for another point in the installation. I created the partitions and will format them tomorrow, time for bed. The Laptop is a Compaq Armada 7770 DMT Pentium 233mmx, 80mb RAM, 3 gig of disk It's missing the right "Shift" key but that's really not a problem. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Wed Jan 28 00:15:49 2004 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo Down Load Site and Hardware In-Reply-To: <4016F09D.6040406@visi.com> References: <4016F09D.6040406@visi.com> Message-ID: <40175212.9010205@askewview.net> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Wow! > I decided to down load the Gentoo ISO's and build from the 2 CD's. > I'm getting (remember I have basic DSL) 26.0Kbs down load form Seren > Innovations. > Seren is in Minneapolis it's a spin off of NSP. The connection is > rock solid at 26.0 Kbs I Used to work for Seren. I use them exclusively for my portage needs. The machine is on a partial DS3 if I remember its 6megs. Seren Innovations offers a product called Astoud Bradband (Cable TV, Phone, High Speed internet)in the St Cloud area and also in the Concord California area. Just a helpful little hint. Add the following to the end of your make.conf file to use seren as your portage mirror. GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo/" SYNC="rsync://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo-portage" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jan 28 00:25:53 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WinTV under linux Message-ID: <1122.68.112.123.230.1075270391.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> I acquired a WinTV PCI 878 card. I'm curious to know what to do with this thing under linux. I've found resources for PVR building, but they all focus on the 250PVR/350PVR cards. I'd like to be able to watch TV and use the FM tuner, but if there's any chance of using this thing as a PVR that would be cool too. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Wed Jan 28 07:26:32 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <40174F3A.3000602@visi.com> References: <40174F3A.3000602@visi.com> Message-ID: <4017B790.5020005@andersonfam.org> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I can't seam to get the network running when installing > I booted the CD and typed "gentoo dopcmcia" > It found the pcmcia sockets but it does not find the Xircom IIps One trick that I've used from time to time is to boot up off of a knoppix CD and see what drivers it loads... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Wed Jan 28 07:34:20 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MythTV, pleasant or pain? In-Reply-To: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> References: <20040127024336.GA29367@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <4017B7C1.20508@igi.com> I love my Mythtv. It was a pain to get setup though. But once its setup its very very handy. I am using a Wintv PVR 250 as it has mpeg2 encoding on the card itself (DVD also uses mpeg2). I personally do not like any ATI products and I dont care for the company. If someone needed some help setting up MythTV on a Debian platform I would be willing to assist. david.blevins@visi.com wrote: >Anyone have any experience with MythTV? Likes/dislikes? Any other >solutions you like better? > >I'm primarily interested in building collections of shows to burn to >dvd later. Just purchased an ATI AIW 9000 Pro, which I'd have to >return as they are not supported. The program seems to be slicker >than snot, but would love some user feedback before I start tearing my >system appart and purchasing new hardware specifically for this >purpose. > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonj at igi.com Wed Jan 28 07:36:17 2004 From: jasonj at igi.com (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WinTV under linux In-Reply-To: <1122.68.112.123.230.1075270391.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> References: <1122.68.112.123.230.1075270391.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <4017B8E5.8000705@igi.com> I believe that card is supported just fine. modprobe tuner run 'xawtv' and see if you can get anything. If that works you should be set to try and setup MythTV or Freevo or whatever. I am biased toward MythTV myself. Just to note, your card doesnt have any built on encoding or decoding. PVR 250 - Built on encoding in mpeg2 (this is what I use) PVR 350 - Built on encoding and decoding in mpeg2 The built on encoding and decoding reduce the load on the cpu ALOT. So you can see why they are a preferred choice when setting up a linux TV/PVR setup. Brian wrote: >I acquired a WinTV PCI 878 card. I'm curious to know what to do with this >thing under linux. I've found resources for PVR building, but they all >focus on the 250PVR/350PVR cards. I'd like to be able to watch TV and use >the FM tuner, but if there's any chance of using this thing as a PVR that >would be cool too. > >-Brian > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Wed Jan 28 08:14:03 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <40174F3A.3000602@visi.com> References: <40174F3A.3000602@visi.com> Message-ID: <4017BF45.4010005@lorenburlingame.com> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I can't seam to get the network running when installing > I booted the CD and typed "gentoo dopcmcia" > It found the pcmcia sockets but it does not find the Xircom IIps > > I'm a bit lost at this point because I don't know which driver to use > for the Xircom IIps > I looked in the /lib/modules/'name' /kernel/net. > Or even if I have a choice or if I have to wait for another point in the > installation. > > I created the partitions and will format them tomorrow, time for bed. > > The Laptop is a > Compaq Armada 7770 DMT > Pentium 233mmx, 80mb RAM, 3 gig of disk > > It's missing the right "Shift" key but that's really not a problem. > Try the gentoo forums (forums.gentoo.org). every gentoo question I have ever had has been resolved by doing a search there. (searching for xircom pcmcia turned up 102 matches and xircom iips turned up 135) LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at math.umn.edu Wed Jan 28 08:34:03 2004 From: drake at math.umn.edu (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email hosting Message-ID: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 28 09:46:12 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email hosting In-Reply-To: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> References: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <4017D6E8.5000407@visi.com> http://www.visi.com The nice people at Visi will help you out, they really know how to do business. They may not be the cheapest but they are the best as far as I'm concerned. I know some of they folks on the list own or work for ISP's please forgive me. Sam. Dan Drake wrote: >Good morning, list... > >I own dandrake.org but haven't been using it. I'd like to start using >that for my email, so I need some hosting. > >I'd like to have a couple addresses, including a catch-all address. >Secure mail would be good, to avoid cleartext passwords. An option for >some web hosting would be nice, but not critical. And of course, I'd >like something that's not expensive. > >A hosting company that's "Linux friendly" would be nice, but not >necessary. Same for Twin Cities-based companies. > >Any suggestions? My current registrar has crappy deals; I've looked at >godaddy.com and lunarpages.com and both of them offer what I want. Can I >do better? > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks. > >Dan > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Jan 28 09:50:52 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email hosting In-Reply-To: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> References: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040128094213.7af9e488@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:19:00 -0600 Dan Drake wrote: > Good morning, list... > > I own dandrake.org but haven't been using it. I'd like to start using > that for my email, so I need some hosting. > > I'd like to have a couple addresses, including a catch-all address. > Secure mail would be good, to avoid cleartext passwords. An option for > some web hosting would be nice, but not critical. And of course, I'd > like something that's not expensive. > > A hosting company that's "Linux friendly" would be nice, but not > necessary. Same for Twin Cities-based companies. > > Any suggestions? My current registrar has crappy deals; I've looked at > godaddy.com and lunarpages.com and both of them offer what I want. Can I > do better? > > Any suggestions? I can host for you. http://www.netbits.us/ I have a colo at datapipe running Debian, has been a rock. Email MTA is qmail. All incoming mail is scanned for virus and spam. No quotas (as long as it's reasonable). Contact me off list if you are interested, I'll give you the TCLUG special. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Jan 28 09:59:36 2004 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email hosting In-Reply-To: <20040128094213.7af9e488@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> <20040128094213.7af9e488@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <1075305407.14129.93.camel@unixws1> > I'll give you the TCLUG special. Free toaster? :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Jan 28 10:13:48 2004 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email hosting In-Reply-To: <1075305407.14129.93.camel@unixws1> References: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> <20040128094213.7af9e488@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> <1075305407.14129.93.camel@unixws1> Message-ID: <20040128100257.27bd7335@langly.trutwins.homeip.net> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:56:49 -0600 Adam Maloney wrote: > > I'll give you the TCLUG special. > > Free toaster? :) Sure: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/toaster.html :) Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Jan 28 11:08:33 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email hosting In-Reply-To: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu>; from drake@math.umn.edu on Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 08:19:00AM -0600 References: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040128105653.A30938@thinkunix.net> pajunas interactive is a local Twin Cities hosting company that's very open source friendly. http://www.pajunas.com/ Dan Drake wrote: > Good morning, list... > > I own dandrake.org but haven't been using it. I'd like to start using > that for my email, so I need some hosting. > > I'd like to have a couple addresses, including a catch-all address. > Secure mail would be good, to avoid cleartext passwords. An option for > some web hosting would be nice, but not critical. And of course, I'd > like something that's not expensive. > > A hosting company that's "Linux friendly" would be nice, but not > necessary. Same for Twin Cities-based companies. > > Any suggestions? My current registrar has crappy deals; I've looked at > godaddy.com and lunarpages.com and both of them offer what I want. Can I > do better? > > Any suggestions? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 28 13:59:28 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <4017BF45.4010005@lorenburlingame.com> References: <40174F3A.3000602@visi.com> <4017BF45.4010005@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <401812B5.30506@visi.com> This is just to weird, way to weird When I boot with the Gentoo CD1 and issue the following command at Boot: gentoo dopcmcia I don't get my NIC (xircom IIps) if I do this gentoo nousb,dopcmcia I don't get my NIC if I do this gentoo nousb, dopcmcia (a space between the nousb,_dopcmcia) I get my NIC! Now all I have to do is figure out where I was in the install. Sam. ***This is what I was going to send *** I found the xirc2ps is what I'm looking for however... when I do a "modprobe xirc2ps" I get modprobe: can't locate locate module xirc2ps I hunted down the following file xirc2ps_cs.0 in the /lib/modules/2.4.20-xfs-r3/pcmcia/ directory and in /lib/modules/ 2.4.21-gss/pcmcia/ directory I have no clue what to do as the drive is not on the CD. I've used this pcmcia network card for installing Red Hat 8 on a different machine, it worked fine. Infact the Red Had installer found it. This is the last thing I have to get working for this install to run. Sam Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >> I can't seam to get the network running when installing >> I booted the CD and typed "gentoo dopcmcia" >> It found the pcmcia sockets but it does not find the Xircom IIps >> >> I'm a bit lost at this point because I don't know which driver to use >> for the Xircom IIps >> I looked in the /lib/modules/'name' /kernel/net. >> Or even if I have a choice or if I have to wait for another point in >> the installation. >> >> I created the partitions and will format them tomorrow, time for bed. >> >> The Laptop is a >> Compaq Armada 7770 DMT >> Pentium 233mmx, 80mb RAM, 3 gig of disk >> >> It's missing the right "Shift" key but that's really not a problem. >> > > > Try the gentoo forums (forums.gentoo.org). > > every gentoo question I have ever had has been resolved by doing a > search there. > > (searching for xircom pcmcia turned up 102 matches and xircom iips > turned up 135) > > LB > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Jan 28 14:10:25 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <401812B5.30506@visi.com> References: <40174F3A.3000602@visi.com> <4017BF45.4010005@lorenburlingame.com> <401812B5.30506@visi.com> Message-ID: <4018159C.3090104@druswanderings.net> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > This is just to weird, way to weird > > When I boot with the Gentoo CD1 and issue the following command at Boot: > gentoo dopcmcia > I don't get my NIC (xircom IIps) if I do this > gentoo nousb,dopcmcia > I don't get my NIC if I do this > gentoo nousb, dopcmcia (a space between the nousb,_dopcmcia) > I get my NIC! > Multiple arguments entered at a lilo prompt are delimited by spaces, no commas. It was viewing the one without the space as one big argument. It didn't recognize it so it quietly ignored it as if you had just entered "gentoo". -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Wed Jan 28 15:00:24 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MythTV, pleasant or pain? Message-ID: I kept wanting to build my own MythTV box because I didn't want to pay for a subscription and found out that equipment for a new system would run me about $500. I found an unadvertised deal at Best Buy. At Best Buy, about a week ago, I bought a Toshiba DVD player with Tivo built in (which uses Linux kernel with proprietary drivers) for $399 with a 10% discount and lifetime subscription to Tivo's Basic Service. This came with the 80 gig hard drive. I just plugged the unit in and had it dial Tivo. Be aware that the basic service limits a lot of features that MythTV will give you. Jeff Rasmussen -----Original Message----- From: david.blevins@visi.com [mailto:david.blevins@visi.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:44 PM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] MythTV, pleasant or pain? Anyone have any experience with MythTV? Likes/dislikes? Any other solutions you like better? I'm primarily interested in building collections of shows to burn to dvd later. Just purchased an ATI AIW 9000 Pro, which I'd have to return as they are not supported. The program seems to be slicker than snot, but would love some user feedback before I start tearing my system appart and purchasing new hardware specifically for this purpose. -- David Blevins _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From paul at harris.net Wed Jan 28 15:12:42 2004 From: paul at harris.net (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email hosting Message-ID: <20040128124839.9929.h009.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net> I'm very happy with icdsoft.com - I believe they're Linux friendly, though not local. $60 per year (plus $5 for a domain if needed), and only $40 for subsequent domains, including 333MB storage, 5GB/month bandwidth and unlimited email addresses. Their tech support is good, and they are open to supporting most services (such as moveabletype). Cheers, Paul ---- > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:19:00 -0600 > From: Dan Drake > Subject: [TCLUG] email hosting > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Message-ID: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Good morning, list... > > I own dandrake.org but haven't been using it. I'd like to > start using > that for my email, so I need some hosting. > > I'd like to have a couple addresses, including a catch-all > address. > Secure mail would be good, to avoid cleartext passwords. An > option for > some web hosting would be nice, but not critical. And of > course, I'd > like something that's not expensive. > > A hosting company that's "Linux friendly" would be nice, but > not > necessary. Same for Twin Cities-based companies. > > Any suggestions? My current registrar has crappy deals; I've > looked at > godaddy.com and lunarpages.com and both of them offer what I > want. Can I > do better? > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks. > > Dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Jan 28 17:25:35 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gento Compile Error Message-ID: <40184305.7050700@visi.com> !!! ERROR: sys-devl/gettext-0.12.1 failed. !!! Function econf, line 339, Exitcode 1 !!! econf failed Should I be worried? I have no clue. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Jan 28 20:35:39 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gento Compile Error In-Reply-To: <40184305.7050700@visi.com> References: <40184305.7050700@visi.com> Message-ID: <401870CA.2040409@mn.rr.com> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > !!! ERROR: sys-devl/gettext-0.12.1 failed. > !!! Function econf, line 339, Exitcode 1 > !!! econf failed > what step were you on? have you "emerge sync" lately? > Should I be worried? > I have no clue. > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Jan 28 23:05:27 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE and Multihead problem - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <400FED6A.9000002@igi.com> References: <200401181503.59441.jpschewe@mtu.net> <200401212237.45738.jpschewe@mtu.net> <400FED6A.9000002@igi.com> Message-ID: <200401282303.39876.jpschewe@mtu.net> I figured it out. I changed the DisplaySize in my XF86Config file. On the right monitor (the one running at 1600x1200) I added 'DIsplaySize 400 300' and on the left monitor I added 'Display Size 800 300'. That seems to give a reasonable set of fonts. On Thursday 22 January 2004 09:34, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > I dont know. Maybe a bug? Check your distro's bug tracking system. If it > isnt in there submit it as a bug. > > I dont recall my dual monitor system doing that. Though it did some > other strange things like the taskbar moved up on the screen. > > Jon Schewe wrote: > >On Wednesday 21 January 2004 09:19, Jason Jorgensen wrote: > >> From comparing the 2 screenshots it appears that only the font sizes > >>have increased. Not all fonts, but alot of them. The sizes of all the > >>borders and boxes looked correct. Your resolution is correct at > >>3000x1200 in your dual image, 1600 + 1400. I would think just changing > >>the fonts to something smaller in the control center would fix the > >>problem. I dont recall where Mozilla gets its font settings for the > >>program, not the html rendering font settings. But I doubt the KDE > >>control center font setting changes would effect Mozilla. Perhaps > >>something with the X font server? > > > >But why did they change? That's what's got me so confused. I don't want > > to have to reconfigure ALL of my apps and then reconfigure them all again > > when I switch monitors. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jan 29 07:40:23 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo compile Message-ID: <40190AFA.8000807@visi.com> Holy cats over 10 hours of compiling and still going! It's like the energiser bunny! How long will this take on a 233mmx with 80mb ram? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Jan 29 08:40:16 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick iptable rule Message-ID: <003101c3e674$6b8be170$320b0b0a@DELL2> I have a bunch of schools getting clobbered with the latest greatest virus. Several are using IPCop and Shorewall. What would be a good rule to stop all workstations from being able to send out anything destined for port 25 except to the mail server at 10.100.100.6? Simply put, I want workstations to utilize the local mail server but not be able to send mail to any other server. Most schools are running two interfaces on their firewall. Thanks in advance Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Jan 29 08:49:30 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401291442.i0TEgb309776@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: Apple ][ GS I have an Apple 2 GS Woz Limited Edition with everything. computer, monitor, keyboard, mouse, 3.5 and 5.25 inch floppy drives, system, software, books, and the recept from the purchase. I just can't send this thing to the junk bin. If you know of someone who might use, display, or just add it to a collection its FREE. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Jan 29 10:05:18 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick iptable rule In-Reply-To: <003101c3e674$6b8be170$320b0b0a@DELL2> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't know the exact rule syntax, but if rules are processed top-down, allow outbound traffic from 10.100.100.6 on port 25, then block all outbound traffic on 25. Just a stab in the dark, hope it helps. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Raymond > Norton Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:30 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] quick iptable rule > > > I have a bunch of schools getting clobbered with the latest > greatest virus. Several are using IPCop and Shorewall. What > would be a good rule to stop all workstations from being able > to send out anything destined for port 25 except to the mail > server at 10.100.100.6? > > Simply put, I want workstations to utilize the local mail > server but not be able to send mail to any other server. > > Most schools are running two interfaces on their firewall. > > > Thanks in advance > > > Raymond > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQBks/tRLIBm9yjm3EQLb2wCcDKa+e8pjgF4yeV22DALPMya4Qh8AoNJE m7SGeiH6T6X+2YTjIJWGfNtb =tpHW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dan at dandrake.org Thu Jan 29 10:11:43 2004 From: dan at dandrake.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email hosting In-Reply-To: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> References: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040129160906.GA2551@dandrake.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jan 29 10:17:52 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apple ][ GS Message-ID: <40193092.6030106@visi.com> Has been taken and I hope the home is the best. Dan's web page is GREAT http://www.dandrake.org/ Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Jan 29 10:23:39 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401291612.i0TGCDs11678@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Monitors I have several Compaq V75 17 inch monitors waiting for good homes. All tested, working, and ready to go. $25 each. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jan 29 10:24:26 2004 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syslinux Message-ID: <3908.156.99.116.45.1075392663.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> I'm trying to boot multiple OS's from my USB keychain using syslinux. So far it's working well, I have DOS and Flonix running nicely. I want to add more, and here's where it gets tricky. I want to add some single floppy boot disks, and I'm not sure how to go about this. I'd like to keep my root directory as clean as possible, with just the 512 byte .bs images and syslinux files. Something like: (root) - just the boot sectors and syslinux files | |------ DOS (the DOS boot disk) | |------ Debian (install floppies) | |------ FreeBSD (install floppies) | |------ Flonix Anyway, you get the idea. I can't figure out any syslinux commands to boot a .bs image then immidately vhange to another directory to continue booting. Has anyone done this? Any tips? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at ehanson.net Thu Jan 29 10:29:15 2004 From: erik at ehanson.net (erik@ehanson.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email hosting In-Reply-To: <20040129160906.GA2551@dandrake.org> References: <20040128141900.GG1161@math.umn.edu> <20040129160906.GA2551@dandrake.org> Message-ID: <2935.216.70.45.162.1075393355.squirrel@webmail.pair.com> I just signed up with pair a week ago and sofar it has been great. My only complaint is no ssl pop or imap. But their webmail is secure so that works. -Erik > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 at 08:19AM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: >> I own dandrake.org but haven't been using it. I'd like to start using >> that for my email, so I need some hosting. >> >> I'd like to have a couple addresses, including a catch-all address. >> Secure mail would be good, to avoid cleartext passwords. An option for >> some web hosting would be nice, but not critical. And of course, I'd >> like something that's not expensive. > > Thanks for all the replies and suggestions! > > Following an offlist suggestion from a friend, I'm now using Pair > Networks. Their cheapest plan has 100 megs of web space, 100 megs/day > of transfer, and all the email features I want. They have some discounts > right now and I got it for $5.00 a month. My friend has been using Pair > Networks for years and says their reliability is top notch. > > Thanks again. > > Dan > (now dan@dandrake.org) > > -- > Ceci n'est pas une .signature. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Jan 29 10:45:06 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Syslinux In-Reply-To: <3908.156.99.116.45.1075392663.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com>; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:11:03AM -0600 References: <3908.156.99.116.45.1075392663.squirrel@athena.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <20040129103536.A7235@thinkunix.net> not sure if it works on USB keychains, but GAG is a great tool for booting multiple OS's: http://gag.sourceforge.net/ Brian wrote: > I'm trying to boot multiple OS's from my USB keychain using syslinux. So > far it's working well, I have DOS and Flonix running nicely. > > I want to add more, and here's where it gets tricky. I want to add some > single floppy boot disks, and I'm not sure how to go about this. I'd like > to keep my root directory as clean as possible, with just the 512 byte .bs > images and syslinux files. Something like: > > (root) - just the boot sectors and syslinux files > | > |------ DOS (the DOS boot disk) > | > |------ Debian (install floppies) > | > |------ FreeBSD (install floppies) > | > |------ Flonix > > Anyway, you get the idea. I can't figure out any syslinux commands to > boot a .bs image then immidately vhange to another directory to continue > booting. Has anyone done this? Any tips? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at argle.org Thu Jan 29 11:00:03 2004 From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick iptable rule In-Reply-To: <003101c3e674$6b8be170$320b0b0a@DELL2> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a bunch of schools getting clobbered with the latest greatest virus. > Several are using IPCop and Shorewall. What would be a good rule to stop all > workstations from being able to send out anything destined for port 25 > except to the mail server at 10.100.100.6? > > Simply put, I want workstations to utilize the local mail server but not be > able to send mail to any other server. > > Most schools are running two interfaces on their firewall. The rules are processed "first match", so the best thing to do right now is to allow what you know is needed, then deny everything. Shorewall works OK, but allow a day or two to get your ruleset right before you deploy it widely. -- Daniel Taylor dante@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wnpauls2 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 11:41:31 2004 From: wnpauls2 at yahoo.com (Paul Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200401291612.i0TGCDs11678@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20040129173618.5657.qmail@web60001.mail.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Jan 29 11:59:47 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <20040129173618.5657.qmail@web60001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040129173618.5657.qmail@web60001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40194882.2050702@visi.com> If you use MapQuest for the map, be careful, the Map they use is old, highway 7 has changed. Use 2nd Street the exit and go left (at the stop sign) and left again (at the stop sign) up Mill Street. Over the bridge the third left (excluding the ramp to hwy 7 east) 532 Wheeler Drive Excelsior, MN. 55331 Phone 952-470-9224 Times: Call me to arrange a time to pick it up. Terms: Cash only please. I don't ship because I don't have the facilities (packaging) to ship. Sam Paul Schumacher wrote: > where and how can I get one? > > Paul Schumacher > > */TCLUG Classifieds /* wrote: > > New TCLUG Classified Ad > > Category: Computer > > Type of Ad: For Sale > > Subject: Monitors > > I have several Compaq V75 17 inch monitors waiting for good homes. > All tested, working, and ready to go. > > $25 each. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. *Try it!* > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Jan 29 12:00:13 2004 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200401291741.i0THfgk13125@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Compaq 906US Laptop New price. I posted this a few months ago, but it had a broken CD-DVD-RW, I have now replaced the CD-DVD-RW with an internal CD-DVD (not sure of the speed). The new CD-DVD is used and works, but can be a bit shakey at times when playing audio cd's and the plastic cover does not fit the new CD-DVD quite right. Specs: - Athlon XP 1500 - 20 GIG HD - 256 MB RAM expandable to 1 GIG - 14.1" XGA TFT Active Matrix Display - built in ethernet and modem - JBL Pro speakers - included Linksys pcmcia wireless card I have the original box and software, which includes XP Home Edition as a Quick Restore disk set. I was running Debian. This laptop is in decent condition, it was my primary workstation for the past year, so it has some wear and tear. $400 Note: there is no floppy drive in this model http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Thu Jan 29 12:06:58 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] various questions on mandrake 9.2: floppy drive mainly Message-ID: <200401291758.i0THw7j8029786@fantasy.software.umn.edu> I just installed mandrake 9.2 and I have some questions. first, when I try to mount my floppy drive (as root), it tells me that permission is denied. However when I clicked on the floppy shortcut on the desktop, it worked just fine. how can I properly mount my floppy drive from the command line? Then when I was copying some files to the floppy drive and it was taking far, far longer than it should have and when I unmounted after that, the floppy drive shortcut disappeared on my desktop. Also, for no apparant reason, sometimes the message "Mutex destroy failure: device or resourse busy" would appear on the command line. that happened about three times. Lastly, my computer's not connected to any network, during the boot process, when it tries to bring up the eth0 interface, it takes a real long time before it gives up, how can I tell it to skip this? thanks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Thu Jan 29 12:47:20 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual booting with two hard drives? In-Reply-To: <200401291749.i0THnSPi028883@fantasy.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Add an entry to grub (man grub, pretty simple sytax) that has "Chainloader +1" (or something similar, I don't have a box with grub handy) that points at the Mandrake disk. What will happen is you'll boot, go to grub, select RH or Mandrake, if Mandrake, jump to lilo, proceed. You can also remove lilo from the Mandrake drive and add a normal entry to RH, but I'm not certain how to do this, so I wouldn't try it until you found a good howto/walk-through. John > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Joe Dunsmore > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:49 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] dual booting with two hard drives? > > > > I had redhat 9 installed on my computer. Then I installed a > second hard drive on my computer and put mandrake 9.2 on it, > this new hard drive is the master. Redhat is using grub and > mandrake is using lilo. How can I configure it so that I > have the option of booting from either? currently, mandrake > is my only option at boot time. If it would help to make > redhat master, that's not a problem. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQBlTHNRLIBm9yjm3EQLSlwCeOIcMBkLJ7s/BDUtjoMFn17D2JwoAn0kX qY4iasj+gWbWVcrbV0mBaxWy =1RCj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Jan 29 12:55:23 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] various questions on mandrake 9.2: floppy drive mainly In-Reply-To: <200401291758.i0THw7j8029786@fantasy.software.umn.edu> References: <200401291758.i0THw7j8029786@fantasy.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <4019566A.4030001@druswanderings.net> Joe Dunsmore wrote: > to mount my floppy drive (as root), it tells me that permission is denied. > However when I clicked on the floppy shortcut on the desktop, it worked > just fine. how can I properly mount my floppy drive from the command line? Mandrake uses supermount to handle mounting removeable media. It usually isn't necessary to manually mount it from the command line. This feature can be disabled though I can't remeber how off the top of my head. man supermount should give you a good start. > Also, for no apparant reason, sometimes the message "Mutex destroy failure: > device or resourse busy" would appear on the command line. that happened > about three times. Not sure on this one. Lastly, my computer's not connected to any network, > during the boot process, when it tries to bring up the eth0 interface, it > takes a real long time before it gives up, how can I tell it to skip this? > thanks. In the network section of Mandrake Control Center there should be a little check box that enables or disables bringing up interfaces at boot time. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Thu Jan 29 13:16:26 2004 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo compile In-Reply-To: <40190AFA.8000807@visi.com> References: <40190AFA.8000807@visi.com> Message-ID: <40195A95.8080209@askewview.net> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Holy cats over 10 hours of compiling and still going! It's like the > energiser bunny! > > How long will this take on a 233mmx with 80mb ram? > > Sam. Serens IT Director did his first install on a 166mhz and supposedley it took near a week. If you downloaded both cd's I'd do a stage 3 + GRP install to avoid the compile times :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Thu Jan 29 13:45:15 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo compile In-Reply-To: <40190AFA.8000807@visi.com> References: <40190AFA.8000807@visi.com> Message-ID: <200401291338.48224.bmaas@open-techsys.com> On Thursday 29 January 2004 07:30 am, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Holy cats over 10 hours of compiling and still going! It's like the > energiser bunny! > > How long will this take on a 233mmx with 80mb ram? > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Really depends on what you're installing. glibc and X/KDE/Gnome are the real kill joys. If I remember correctly my 233mmx with something like 48MB of RAM took about 24 hours to build the initial system. Our server boxes (AMD Athlon 1700+ w/256MB RAM and dual SATA hard drives) build in under 2 hours without X. -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Thu Jan 29 14:55:28 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Permission defaults Message-ID: <001701c3e6a9$9de8ff60$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Folks, I have samba running on a new redhat 9 server here, and I have all of our employees in a group called "employees", and I want to start putting most of our non-sensetive files on that server. The problem is that when a user creates a file, the permissions are set such that the user has all rights, but the group has read-only. I want to give the group rwx by default, any idea how to do that? Thanks, Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Thu Jan 29 15:20:38 2004 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Permission defaults In-Reply-To: <001701c3e6a9$9de8ff60$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <001701c3e6a9$9de8ff60$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <200401291518.13544.barnabas@knicknack.net> Have you tried "create mask" in the configuration file or are you looking to have different create permissions depending on the group? Eric On Thursday 29 January 2004 14:51, Matt Murphy wrote: > Folks, I have samba running on a new redhat 9 server here, and I > have all of our employees in a group called "employees", and I want to > start putting most of our non-sensetive files on that server. The > problem is that when a user creates a file, the permissions are set such > that the user has all rights, but the group has read-only. I want to > give the group rwx by default, any idea how to do that? > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From swarty at charter.net Thu Jan 29 15:41:18 2004 From: swarty at charter.net (Scott S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Permission defaults In-Reply-To: <001701c3e6a9$9de8ff60$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <000101c3e6af$50d5ccc0$0501a8c0@baldr> Are you using SWAT to admin your Samba server? If you are you, there is an option to set a create mask for each share, and there are many more options under the advanced view. If you are not using SWAT, I highly recommend looking into that or Webmin, for easy Samba administration. The other option is to use a UMASK. I believe you would need a umask of 007 to give rwxrwx--- permissions. ** I would still consider myself a novice Linux user, but most of my experience is with Samba. Hope this helped. Scott S. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Matt Murphy Sent: January 29, 2004 2:51 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] Permission defaults Folks, I have samba running on a new redhat 9 server here, and I have all of our employees in a group called "employees", and I want to start putting most of our non-sensetive files on that server. The problem is that when a user creates a file, the permissions are set such that the user has all rights, but the group has read-only. I want to give the group rwx by default, any idea how to do that? Thanks, Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Thu Jan 29 17:35:29 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewire Target Disk Mode Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3677@owa.compellent.com> Is there any support for somehow mapping a partition on a disk in Linux to show up as a disk to a firewire host? I think its called scsi target mode. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Check the beermeeting page for more information. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Thu Jan 29 19:00:42 2004 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo compile In-Reply-To: <40190AFA.8000807@visi.com> References: <40190AFA.8000807@visi.com> Message-ID: <4019A9AE.502@lorenburlingame.com> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Holy cats over 10 hours of compiling and still going! It's like the > energiser bunny! > > How long will this take on a 233mmx with 80mb ram? > > Sam. on my 2Ghz laptop it took about 48 hours to compile all of X and KDE LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us Thu Jan 29 19:07:12 2004 From: ddash at edenpr.k12.mn.us (Dave Dash) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email hosting Message-ID: Make things secure manually... umm... ssh-tunnels ;) Yeah, I wish they supported secure imap too. >>> erik@ehanson.net 01/29/04 10:22AM >>> I just signed up with pair a week ago and sofar it has been great. My only complaint is no ssl pop or imap. But their webmail is secure so that works. -Erik > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 at 08:19AM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: >> I own dandrake.org but haven't been using it. I'd like to start using >> that for my email, so I need some hosting. >> >> I'd like to have a couple addresses, including a catch-all address. >> Secure mail would be good, to avoid cleartext passwords. An option for >> some web hosting would be nice, but not critical. And of course, I'd >> like something that's not expensive. > > Thanks for all the replies and suggestions! > > Following an offlist suggestion from a friend, I'm now using Pair > Networks. Their cheapest plan has 100 megs of web space, 100 megs/day > of transfer, and all the email features I want. They have some discounts > right now and I got it for $5.00 a month. My friend has been using Pair > Networks for years and says their reliability is top notch. > > Thanks again. > > Dan > (now dan@dandrake.org) > > -- > Ceci n'est pas une .signature. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jan 29 19:08:55 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting tomorrow (friday) Message-ID: Beermeeting tomorrow(friday) at Pizza Luce, Downtown Minneapolis. The usual time. Check the beermeeting page for more information. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Jan 30 01:15:12 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do Over! Message-ID: <401A022D.70205@visi.com> When I started this Gentoo install I removed all the partitions from the laptop. It's a Compaq Armada 7770, it needs the setup partition to hold the date of the system. That would be the reason for the error I got telling me that a date was... can't remember now. So I'm running "emerge sync" now and will start the compile tomorrow. Night All, Sam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Jan 30 08:30:17 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BRRRRR it's Cold Outside Message-ID: <401A6801.20408@visi.com> What a good day to sit and watch Gentoo compile "Inside"! I did not get any date errors when I did the "emerge sync" this time. Having the Compaq setup partition is necessary for a successful Gentoo install. This is because the compile is date very sensitive. The emerge sync finished over night, It told me to update Portage. I looked on the Gentoo web site but didn't find anything directly related to this. So I did "emerge Portage" I really hope that was the right thing to do. Thinking outside the box (while in the house) sometimes helps the learning curve. I got the following error... Checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check See 'config.log' for more details. configure: error: /bin/sh ' /.configure' failed for autoconf-lib-link !!! ERROR: sys-devle/gettext-0.12.1 failed !!! Function econf, line 324, Exitcode 1 !!! econf failed I have no clue what this is telling me, well other then it failed on the C++ preprocessor sanity check I looked in /var/log for "config.log" and didn't find it. I'm not sure where to look for the "config.log" Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Jan 30 09:10:07 2004 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BRRRRR it's Cold Outside In-Reply-To: <401A6801.20408@visi.com> References: <401A6801.20408@visi.com> Message-ID: <401A7225.30007@druswanderings.net> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > What a good day to sit and watch Gentoo compile "Inside"! > I did not get any date errors when I did the "emerge sync" this time. > Having the Compaq setup partition is necessary for a successful > Gentoo install. > This is because the compile is date very sensitive. > > The emerge sync finished over night, It told me to update Portage. > I looked on the Gentoo web site but didn't find anything directly > related to this. > > So I did "emerge Portage" I really hope that was the right thing to do. > Thinking outside the box (while in the house) sometimes helps the > learning curve. > I got the following error... > > Checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp > configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check > See 'config.log' for more details. > configure: error: /bin/sh ' /.configure' failed for autoconf-lib-link > !!! ERROR: sys-devle/gettext-0.12.1 failed > !!! Function econf, line 324, Exitcode 1 > !!! econf failed > > > I have no clue what this is telling me, well other then it failed on the > C++ preprocessor sanity check > I looked in /var/log for "config.log" and didn't find it. I'm not sure > where to look for the "config.log" > > Sam. > You need to follow the install directions and all will work as it should. When you do your "emerge system" it will update portage as necessary. The config.log is located in the directory where the compile was taking place (probably somewhere in /var/portage). -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Jan 30 09:35:03 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BRRRRR it's Cold Outside In-Reply-To: <401A7225.30007@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <002801c3e745$4024f770$160a0a0a@tctech.com> We're entertaining ourselves at work today by tossing cups of hot water into the air outside... About half the cup vaporizes instantly, and the other half turns into basically snow by the time it hits the ground. IT'S COLD! Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com Fri Jan 30 09:59:15 2004 From: Ben.Neigebauer at compellent.com (Ben Neigebauer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BRRRRR it's Cold Outside Message-ID: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3679@owa.compellent.com> I had a flat tire this morning. It took me an hour to change. Well more like 15 minutes. The other 45 was coming back into the house every so often trying to warm back up. At least I was home. Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Matt Murphy Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 9:25 AM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] BRRRRR it's Cold Outside We're entertaining ourselves at work today by tossing cups of hot water into the air outside... About half the cup vaporizes instantly, and the other half turns into basically snow by the time it hits the ground. IT'S COLD! Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Jan 30 10:05:12 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BRRRRR it's Cold Outside In-Reply-To: <002801c3e745$4024f770$160a0a0a@tctech.com> References: <002801c3e745$4024f770$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <401A7E79.8000103@visi.com> I'm going out to try that right now FUN, FUN, FUN! Matt Murphy wrote: > We're entertaining ourselves at work today by tossing cups of >hot water into the air outside... About half the cup vaporizes >instantly, and the other half turns into basically snow by the time it >hits the ground. > >IT'S COLD! > >Matt > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skodak at cs.umn.edu Fri Jan 30 10:18:51 2004 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl Problems Message-ID: Hi, Whenever I run a perl script in a system (RH in IA64 machine), I get the following warning. The scripts do excute fine, but this warning is pretty annoying. Is there a way to fix it? perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). Thanks Sreekumar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Fri Jan 30 10:19:40 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BRRRRR it's Cold Outside In-Reply-To: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3679@owa.compellent.com> References: <3F7813665506CA479E7B48DA0DA829BD3679@owa.compellent.com> Message-ID: <3448.65.116.187.194.1075478991.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Does anyone have the movie Revolution-OS? I thought it might be fun to watch since the weather is not real inviting for out-door activities. > I had a flat tire this morning. It took me an hour to change. Well more > like 15 minutes. The other 45 was coming back into the house every so > often trying to warm back up. At least I was home. > > Benjamin E. Neigebauer > Software Engineer > Compellent Technologies > Eden Prairie, MN 55344 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Matt Murphy Sent: > Friday, January 30, 2004 9:25 AM > To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] BRRRRR it's Cold Outside > > > We're entertaining ourselves at work today by tossing cups of > hot water into the air outside... About half the cup vaporizes > instantly, and the other half turns into basically snow by the time it > hits the ground. > > IT'S COLD! > > Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From foeclan at visi.com Fri Jan 30 10:38:07 2004 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding a window manager in Fedora Message-ID: So, I'm using Fedora, and I'd like to use Afterstep instead of GNOME or KDE. I can't find any way to add it to gdm. My normal tactic of editing lots of files (Slackware guy at home) is failing me. ;) Anyone know how to add a new window manager to the list in gdm and/or switchdesk? -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Sk3tch at sk3tch.net Fri Jan 30 10:38:07 2004 From: Sk3tch at sk3tch.net (Sk3tch) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BRRRRR it's Cold Outside Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Jan 30 10:39:54 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c3e74d$cab6c6e0$160a0a0a@tctech.com> This will cause problems with other perl stuff for you in the future if it isn't now. To make it work, type LANG=C in front of your command. So it might be: LANG=C perl Makefile.PL This is known problem with redhat, and afaik there isn't a real solution from them yet. Matt > Whenever I run a perl script in a system (RH in IA64 > machine), I get the following warning. The scripts do excute > fine, but this warning is pretty annoying. Is there a way to fix it? > > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > LANGUAGE = (unset), > LC_ALL = (unset), > LANG = "en_US" > are supported and installed on your system. > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). > > > Thanks > Sreekumar > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Jan 30 10:42:38 2004 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040130163016.GA29476@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 10:06:02AM -0600, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Whenever I run a perl script in a system (RH in IA64 machine), I get > the following warning. The scripts do excute fine, but this warning > is pretty annoying. Is there a way to fix it? > > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > LANGUAGE = (unset), > LC_ALL = (unset), > LANG = "en_US" > are supported and installed on your system. > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). > Have you checked your shell's locale settings? I've seen other people having problems with their default RH installs (with older Perls, anyhow). Have you tried setting those locale variables in your shell? By the way, you include your Perl version, RH version, etc. when reporting problems like this. Just common sense. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG Fri Jan 30 10:59:54 2004 From: Jeffrey.Rasmussen at HFA-MN.ORG (Jeffery Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BRRRRR it's Cold Outside Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Jan 30 11:07:32 2004 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can't disable STARTTLS in Fedora Message-ID: <20925.67.107.38.35.1075481693.squirrel@dccmn.com> Before I go through the effort of posting this to the Fedora list, I thought I'd ask you folks. We have a new Fedora system that is suppose to send it's mail (using sendmail, no flames PLEASE!), to smtp.comcast.net. When we attempt to send it from a local account, we get an error back that the user is invalid. The maillog shows the like: Jan 26 22:35:18 heritage1 sendmail[31926]: STARTTLS=client, relay=smtp.comcast.net., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, cipher=RC4-SHA, bits=128/128 Jan 26 22:35:18 heritage1 sendmail[31926]: i0R4ZH6U031924: to=, ctladdr= (0/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30342, relay=smtp.comcast.net. [63.240.76.27], dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown Jan 26 22:35:18 heritage1 sendmail[31926]: i0R4ZH6U031924: i0R4ZI6U031926: DSN: User unknown OK, so we're attempting to connect to comcast with TLS and we don't have a certificate. I've tried to turn off TLS with several different methods (Srv_Features: V in access, define(`confTLS_SRV_OPTIONS', `V') in sendmail.mc, etc.), but sendmail continues to attempt TLS. How do I turn TLS off! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Fri Jan 30 11:38:30 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do Over! In-Reply-To: <401A022D.70205@visi.com> References: <401A022D.70205@visi.com> Message-ID: <200401301124.44835.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Shoot. I wish I could have caught you before you did this. If you followed the Gentoo instructions, you probably created a /boot partition right? Well, its not *required* we could have turned that partition into the management partition. Sorry you had to start over :-( On Friday 30 January 2004 01:05 am, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > When I started this Gentoo install I removed all the partitions from the > laptop. > It's a Compaq Armada 7770, it needs the setup partition to hold the date > of the system. > That would be the reason for the error I got telling me that a date > was... can't remember now. > > So I'm running "emerge sync" now and will start the compile tomorrow. > > Night All, > > Sam > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Jan 30 12:00:04 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do Over! In-Reply-To: <200401301124.44835.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <401A022D.70205@visi.com> <200401301124.44835.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <401A99D5.1000907@visi.com> Yes I do have that partition but but the compaq setup only needs to be 12 mb. It's a learning process and BOY am I learning :o) Sam. Ben Maas wrote: >Shoot. I wish I could have caught you before you did this. If you followed >the Gentoo instructions, you probably created a /boot partition right? Well, >its not *required* we could have turned that partition into the management >partition. Sorry you had to start over :-( > >On Friday 30 January 2004 01:05 am, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > >>When I started this Gentoo install I removed all the partitions from the >>laptop. >>It's a Compaq Armada 7770, it needs the setup partition to hold the date >>of the system. >>That would be the reason for the error I got telling me that a date >>was... can't remember now. >> >>So I'm running "emerge sync" now and will start the compile tomorrow. >> >>Night All, >> >>Sam >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Jan 30 12:04:47 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] annoying xterm problem Message-ID: <401A9897.7020806@andersonfam.org> I have a redhat 8.0 box that I'm setting up for some employees here to use for embedded linux development. One of the lead programmers requested that I install xterm so that he can do a remote X display. When I run xterm as root, it works fine - it displays correctly on my laptop, however, when run as a user, it displays for about a second and a half and then exits. There are no messages in the syslog to speak of. Any ideas? Thanks- Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Fri Jan 30 12:05:04 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo bootstrap trouble (was: BRRRRR it's Cold Outside) In-Reply-To: <401A6801.20408@visi.com> References: <401A6801.20408@visi.com> Message-ID: <200401301154.29589.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Sam, which LiveCD and stage tarball are you using (including dates). I'm trying to collect more data on this for some existing bug reports. Its been happening to a number of users. Its caused me hours of fun over the last couple of months. There are currently 4 bugs that I'm aware of in Bugzilla (http://bugs.gentoo.org) on this (12699, 24438, 28630, 34164). Part of the problem are some poorly chosen compile options when they built gcc in the 20030911 stage tarballs, but there are some other causes as well. Basically the check list is: - Make sure your CHOST and CFLAGS agree on which processor you are compiling for. In other words, in your case (if I'm remmebering your hardware correctly): CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" CFLAGS="-O2 march=pentiumpro -pipe" - Make sure you don't have ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" turned on during the bootstrap process. This generally always considered a bad idea. Wait to get your system working first, then go bleeding edge :-) - Lastly, make sure you've done the following before emerge portage for the first time: export USE="-* build bootstrap" Once you've emerge'd portage the first time do an: unset USE Hope something helps you out here. On Friday 30 January 2004 08:19 am, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > What a good day to sit and watch Gentoo compile "Inside"! > I did not get any date errors when I did the "emerge sync" this time. > Having the Compaq setup partition is necessary for a successful > Gentoo install. > This is because the compile is date very sensitive. > > The emerge sync finished over night, It told me to update Portage. > I looked on the Gentoo web site but didn't find anything directly > related to this. > > So I did "emerge Portage" I really hope that was the right thing to do. > Thinking outside the box (while in the house) sometimes helps the > learning curve. > I got the following error... > > Checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp > configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check > See 'config.log' for more details. > configure: error: /bin/sh ' /.configure' failed for autoconf-lib-link > !!! ERROR: sys-devle/gettext-0.12.1 failed > !!! Function econf, line 324, Exitcode 1 > !!! econf failed > > > I have no clue what this is telling me, well other then it failed on the > C++ preprocessor sanity check > I looked in /var/log for "config.log" and didn't find it. I'm not sure > where to look for the "config.log" > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Fri Jan 30 12:12:00 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do Over! In-Reply-To: <401A99D5.1000907@visi.com> References: <401A022D.70205@visi.com> <200401301124.44835.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <401A99D5.1000907@visi.com> Message-ID: <200401301209.36977.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Aye, I know the feeling! It gets easier. Besides, I get bored doing installs other than Gentoo now ;-) BTW, I haven't made a /boot partition larger than 10-15MB for a long time now. Anything more than that is a waste of space. In fact a number of people would say my partition is too big. I do a lot of kernel testing though. On Friday 30 January 2004 11:52 am, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Yes I do have that partition but but the compaq setup only needs to be > 12 mb. > > It's a learning process and BOY am I learning :o) > > Sam. > > Ben Maas wrote: > >Shoot. I wish I could have caught you before you did this. If you > > followed the Gentoo instructions, you probably created a /boot partition > > right? Well, its not *required* we could have turned that partition into > > the management partition. Sorry you had to start over :-( > > > >On Friday 30 January 2004 01:05 am, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >>When I started this Gentoo install I removed all the partitions from the > >>laptop. > >>It's a Compaq Armada 7770, it needs the setup partition to hold the date > >>of the system. > >>That would be the reason for the error I got telling me that a date > >>was... can't remember now. > >> > >>So I'm running "emerge sync" now and will start the compile tomorrow. > >> > >>Night All, > >> > >>Sam > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mmurphy at tc-tech.com Fri Jan 30 12:12:22 2004 From: mmurphy at tc-tech.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Permission defaults In-Reply-To: <000101c3e6af$50d5ccc0$0501a8c0@baldr> Message-ID: <003b01c3e75b$c61ceb10$160a0a0a@tctech.com> > If > you are not using SWAT, I highly recommend looking into that > or Webmin, for easy Samba administration. WOW! I couldn't find SWAT, but webmin rules! This is great! Thank you! It did indeed fix my problem. (and looks as though it'll fix several others!) Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 30 12:19:53 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... Message-ID: <401A9FCB.10908@mn.rr.com> Wife was just put on bed rest for the last few months of her pregnancy - and I figure it's a good time to make a push for wireless AP and a PCMCIA card. I don't have much time to research and I'll need to buy the stuff from a local merchant (best buy, circuit city, compUSA (if I must...), mircocenter...) Have had bad experience with Linksys and would like to stay around $50 or so... anyone know of any good deals around ?- must work with Linux and win2k _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Fri Jan 30 12:30:54 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo bootstrap trouble (was: BRRRRR it's Cold Outside) In-Reply-To: <200401301154.29589.bmaas@open-techsys.com> References: <401A6801.20408@visi.com> <200401301154.29589.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <200401301219.26382.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Went through my notes and found what I did. Basically this compiles around the gcc and gettext combination and is somewhat similar to what the boostrap.sh script does. USE="-java build bootstrap" emerge baselayout binutils glibc gcc ncurses zlib (took about 1hr and 10 minutes on this Athlon XP 1700+ w/256MB of RAM and dual 80GB SATA hard drives) emerge gcc (to recompile gcc to include java support) USE="-berkdb" emerge perl (fix perl without recompiling half the system) emerge binutils ncurses zlib perl (recompile with final glibc optimizations) The last one may not be necessary. I do it because I use some special CFLAG optimizations for my Athlon XP boxes that can sometimes change the entry points in glibc. On Friday 30 January 2004 11:54 am, Ben Maas wrote: > Sam, which LiveCD and stage tarball are you using (including dates). I'm > trying to collect more data on this for some existing bug reports. Its > been happening to a number of users. Its caused me hours of fun over the > last couple of months. > > There are currently 4 bugs that I'm aware of in Bugzilla > (http://bugs.gentoo.org) on this (12699, 24438, 28630, 34164). Part of the > problem are some poorly chosen compile options when they built gcc in the > 20030911 stage tarballs, but there are some other causes as well. > Basically the check list is: > > - Make sure your CHOST and CFLAGS agree on which processor you are > compiling for. In other words, in your case (if I'm remmebering your > hardware correctly): > > CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" > CFLAGS="-O2 march=pentiumpro -pipe" > > - Make sure you don't have ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" turned on during the > bootstrap process. This generally always considered a bad idea. Wait to > get your system working first, then go bleeding edge :-) > > - Lastly, make sure you've done the following before emerge portage for the > first time: > > export USE="-* build bootstrap" > > Once you've emerge'd portage the first time do an: > > unset USE > > > Hope something helps you out here. > > On Friday 30 January 2004 08:19 am, Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > What a good day to sit and watch Gentoo compile "Inside"! > > I did not get any date errors when I did the "emerge sync" this time. > > Having the Compaq setup partition is necessary for a successful > > Gentoo install. > > This is because the compile is date very sensitive. > > > > The emerge sync finished over night, It told me to update Portage. > > I looked on the Gentoo web site but didn't find anything directly > > related to this. > > > > So I did "emerge Portage" I really hope that was the right thing to do. > > Thinking outside the box (while in the house) sometimes helps the > > learning curve. > > I got the following error... > > > > Checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp > > configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check > > See 'config.log' for more details. > > configure: error: /bin/sh ' /.configure' failed for autoconf-lib-link > > !!! ERROR: sys-devle/gettext-0.12.1 failed > > !!! Function econf, line 324, Exitcode 1 > > !!! econf failed > > > > > > I have no clue what this is telling me, well other then it failed on the > > C++ preprocessor sanity check > > I looked in /var/log for "config.log" and didn't find it. I'm not sure > > where to look for the "config.log" > > > > Sam. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Jan 30 12:40:35 2004 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... In-Reply-To: <401A9FCB.10908@mn.rr.com> References: <401A9FCB.10908@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <401AA0EF.90903@andersonfam.org> Johnnyfulcrum wrote: > Wife was just put on bed rest for the last few months of her pregnancy - > and I figure it's a good time to make a push for wireless AP and a > PCMCIA card. > > I don't have much time to research and I'll need to buy the stuff from a > local merchant (best buy, circuit city, compUSA (if I must...), > mircocenter...) > > Have had bad experience with Linksys and would like to stay around $50 > or so... anyone know of any good deals around ?- must work with Linux > and win2k As far as access points go, I've purchased several DLink DI-514's in the past few months, and they're great. If I remember, BestBuy has a rebate on them till the end of January - so after the rebate, it's something link $20. For PCMCIA cards, I always buy Cisco...so that's probably out of your price range. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Andrew at azimmer.com Fri Jan 30 12:46:43 2004 From: Andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... Message-ID: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C015DF9@cilantro.AZimmer.local> I've been using a PCMCIA Netgear MA401 Rev. D card. It's been working with NetBSD 1.6.1, SUSE 8.2, SUSE 9 and Slackware 9.x. I've tried the USB Linksys 3.0 and D-Link cards with really no luck. Granted I did not spend an extraordinary amount of time looking for drivers and such. I have an older USB Linksys WPC 1.1 card that did work with SUSE 9. I think if you stay away from any PCMCIA 802.11b+ and 802.11g cards you should be safe. Thanks, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnnyfulcrum Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:31 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... Wife was just put on bed rest for the last few months of her pregnancy - and I figure it's a good time to make a push for wireless AP and a PCMCIA card. I don't have much time to research and I'll need to buy the stuff from a local merchant (best buy, circuit city, compUSA (if I must...), mircocenter...) Have had bad experience with Linksys and would like to stay around $50 or so... anyone know of any good deals around ?- must work with Linux and win2k _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kfuchs at winternet.com Fri Jan 30 12:49:43 2004 From: kfuchs at winternet.com (Ken Fuchs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do Over! In-Reply-To: <200401301209.36977.bmaas@open-techsys.com> (message from Ben Maas on Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:09:36 -0600) References: <401A022D.70205@visi.com> <200401301124.44835.bmaas@open-techsys.com> <401A99D5.1000907@visi.com> <200401301209.36977.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Message-ID: <200401301839.i0UIdS827746@ecstasy.winternet.com> Ben Maas >BTW, I haven't made a /boot partition larger than 10-15MB for a long >time now. It all depends on what one is doing. If one is dealing with 16MB or larger initrds, 10-15MB may not be enough. I usually allocate 64MB. However, I do build a lot of custom kernels, usually with 4MB initrds though. Even when the kernels and initrds are gzip'ed they can take up a lot of space, especially when they multiply like bunnies! :) Sincerely, Ken Fuchs _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Jan 30 13:10:21 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAE0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Try to stay away from the atheros chip set, I have heard of people getting this to work under *nix but I haven't had any luck myself The only support I have found for this is the linuxant driverloader which is a wrapper for the windows drivers and is not free or madwifi which I think is currently only available via cvs, I have gotten this to recognize the card and find my wap but not associate I would recommend checking out linux-wlan.com to see what chipset different cards have and what works the best Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnnyfulcrum Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:18 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... Wife was just put on bed rest for the last few months of her pregnancy - and I figure it's a good time to make a push for wireless AP and a PCMCIA card. I don't have much time to research and I'll need to buy the stuff from a local merchant (best buy, circuit city, compUSA (if I must...), mircocenter...) Have had bad experience with Linksys and would like to stay around $50 or so... anyone know of any good deals around ?- must work with Linux and win2k _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Fri Jan 30 13:11:48 2004 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (dutchman_mn@charter.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Wireless Recommendations Message-ID: <200401301901.i0UJ1qir006076@mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net> > For PCMCIA cards, I always buy Cisco...so that's probably out > of your price range. I was in your same boat except rather than a PCMCIA card that would only work in a notebook, I bought a DLink DW-122 802.11b USB keychain so I could use both in a notebook and a workstation. I just got it working last night with my environment. A word of warning, take a look at http://julian.coccia.com/article-53.html in order to get it working. Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From swarty at charter.net Fri Jan 30 13:43:08 2004 From: swarty at charter.net (Scott S.) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Permission defaults In-Reply-To: <003b01c3e75b$c61ceb10$160a0a0a@tctech.com> Message-ID: <000001c3e765$c4567760$0501a8c0@baldr> Glad you like it! I am not surprised that you don't have SWAT on a standard install of Fedora. I upgraded mine with the latest RPMs from Samba.org. There is a separate RPM for samba-common, samba-client and samba-swat and samba itself. Either tool works well, in fact I'll be installing Webmin this weekend on my machine. Scott S. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Matt Murphy Sent: January 30, 2004 12:06 PM To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Permission defaults > If > you are not using SWAT, I highly recommend looking into that > or Webmin, for easy Samba administration. WOW! I couldn't find SWAT, but webmin rules! This is great! Thank you! It did indeed fix my problem. (and looks as though it'll fix several others!) Matt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 30 13:45:59 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAE0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAE0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <401AB19D.2070906@mn.rr.com> Lansing, Dan wrote: >Try to stay away from the atheros chip set, I have heard of people getting this to work under *nix but I haven't had any luck myself >The only support I have found for this is the linuxant driverloader which is a wrapper for the windows drivers and is not free or madwifi which I think is currently only available via cvs, I have gotten this to recognize the card and find my wap but not associate >I would recommend checking out linux-wlan.com to see what chipset different cards have and what works the best > > > If I'm reading the site you mentioned above right, then this looks like a good match: D-Link 802.11b DWL-122 mini-USB Prism2/2.5/3 Linux--wlan-ng is linux-wlan-ng the driver? this is a usb wireless 802.11b interface - guessingusb might be a bit more usable - as I could us it on desktop PC that have a usb prot.... >Dan Lansing >ITSC > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnnyfulcrum >Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:18 PM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... > >Wife was just put on bed rest for the last few months of her pregnancy - >and I figure it's a good time to make a push for wireless AP and a >PCMCIA card. > >I don't have much time to research and I'll need to buy the stuff from a >local merchant (best buy, circuit city, compUSA (if I must...), >mircocenter...) > >Have had bad experience with Linksys and would like to stay around $50 >or so... anyone know of any good deals around ?- must work with Linux >and win2k > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jan 30 13:48:33 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Wireless Recommendations In-Reply-To: <200401301901.i0UJ1qir006076@mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net> References: <200401301901.i0UJ1qir006076@mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <401AB246.8040500@mn.rr.com> dutchman_mn@charter.net wrote: >>For PCMCIA cards, I always buy Cisco...so that's probably out >>of your price range. >> >> > >I was in your same boat except rather than a PCMCIA card that would only work in a notebook, I bought a DLink DW-122 802.11b USB keychain so I could use both in a notebook and a workstation. I > WHoops! Never mind on my last email (Dan et. al.) I should read all my emails before responding!!! Ha. I think I'll try this little gem out! >just got it working last night with my environment. A word of warning, take a look at http://julian.coccia.com/article-53.html in order to get it working. > >Perry Hoekstra > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at CHARTER.NET Fri Jan 30 13:52:41 2004 From: dutchman_mn at CHARTER.NET (dutchman_mn@CHARTER.NET) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... Message-ID: <200401301946.i0UJktu1081507@mxsf23.cluster1.charter.net> Yup, that is the same website I looked at before I bought the DWL-122 at Best Buy. I bumped into the webstie I have in the previous post because I did not know if the Fedora Core 1 had the latest linux-wlan-ng module and so I went googling. Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Jan 30 13:59:54 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... In-Reply-To: <68F0957A0138144F8BEA856310C6CF6C015DF9@cilantro.AZimmer.local> Message-ID: I buy from ebay. The Dell 1150 is fairly cheap and is among the very best and has external antenna connector (made by Lucent and equiv to Orinoco Gold so better than present Proxim Orinoco Gold and runs under EVERYTHING). Cost runs about $30 plus shipping that may or may not be reasonable. The newer Dell 1300 g card is also inexpensive ($35) on ebay and may be as wonderful. .. anybody know whether these are also by Lucent and also have external antenna connectors? Avoid Linksys cards: their receivers are weak so range is POOR compared to the as cheap Dell 1150. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Zimmer > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:42 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... > > > I've been using a PCMCIA Netgear MA401 Rev. D card. It's been working > with NetBSD 1.6.1, SUSE 8.2, SUSE 9 and Slackware 9.x. > > I've tried the USB Linksys 3.0 and D-Link cards with really no luck. > Granted I did not spend an extraordinary amount of time looking for > drivers and such. I have an older USB Linksys WPC 1.1 card that did > work with SUSE 9. I think if you stay away from any PCMCIA 802.11b+ and > 802.11g cards you should be safe. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnnyfulcrum > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:31 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... > > Wife was just put on bed rest for the last few months of her pregnancy - > > and I figure it's a good time to make a push for wireless AP and a > PCMCIA card. > > I don't have much time to research and I'll need to buy the stuff from a > > local merchant (best buy, circuit city, compUSA (if I must...), > mircocenter...) > > Have had bad experience with Linksys and would like to stay around $50 > or so... anyone know of any good deals around ?- must work with Linux > and win2k > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Jan 30 14:09:54 2004 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAE1@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> FWIW I just got a new card with the prism2 chipset and with slackware 9.1 I plugged it in and didn't need to install any additional drivers, not sure that the linux-wlan drivers are needed at all. Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnnyfulcrum Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:34 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... > If I'm reading the site you mentioned above right, then this looks like a good match: D-Link 802.11b DWL-122 mini-USB Prism2/2.5/3 Linux--wlan-ng is linux-wlan-ng the driver? this is a usb wireless 802.11b interface - guessingusb might be a bit more usable - as I could us it on desktop PC that have a usb prot.... >Dan Lansing >ITSC > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Johnnyfulcrum >Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:18 PM >To: TCLUG Mailing List >Subject: [TCLUG] quick recommendations on wireless... > >Wife was just put on bed rest for the last few months of her pregnancy - >and I figure it's a good time to make a push for wireless AP and a >PCMCIA card. > >I don't have much time to research and I'll need to buy the stuff from a >local merchant (best buy, circuit city, compUSA (if I must...), >mircocenter...) > >Have had bad experience with Linksys and would like to stay around $50 >or so... anyone know of any good deals around ?- must work with Linux >and win2k > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Jan 30 15:30:34 2004 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rndc and bind error Message-ID: <024501c3e776$fc41e540$020a0a0a@DELL2> I keep getting the following error when starting bind. I have regenerated the key, but still get the same error. I have found different reasons for it on the net, but none that get me a fix. I am running a Fedora core 1 box with bind 9.2.2.P3-9 Stopping named: rndc: connection to remote host closed This may indicate that the remote server is using an older version of the command protocol, this host is not authorized to connect, or the key is invalid any ideas? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bmaas at open-techsys.com Fri Jan 30 16:48:00 2004 From: bmaas at open-techsys.com (Ben Maas) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rndc and bind error In-Reply-To: <024501c3e776$fc41e540$020a0a0a@DELL2> References: <024501c3e776$fc41e540$020a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <200401301638.39799.bmaas@open-techsys.com> Try something like this to make sure you haven't blocked out the control channel at the network level: key RNDC_LOCALHOST { algorithm HMAC-MD5; secret "s0M3|\la57ymDsl-l4Sh"; }; controls { inet 127.0.0.1 allow { localhost; } keys { RNDC_LOCALHOST; }; }; On Friday 30 January 2004 03:21 pm, Raymond Norton wrote: > I keep getting the following error when starting bind. I have regenerated > the key, but still get the same error. I have found different reasons for > it on the net, but none that get me a fix. > > I am running a Fedora core 1 box with bind 9.2.2.P3-9 > > > Stopping named: rndc: connection to remote host closed > This may indicate that the remote server is using an older version of > the command protocol, this host is not authorized to connect, > or the key is invalid > > > any ideas? > > > Raymond > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Maas - Technology Architect Open Technology Systems, LLC ----------------------------------------------------------- eMail: bmaas@open-techsys.com Web: http://www.open-techsys.com Phone: 952.448.3121 Fax: 952.448.4944 Cell: 612.743.3674 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mcolivier at earthlink.net Sat Jan 31 00:05:32 2004 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 Message-ID: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Hello. I would like to download the latest stable version of Linux from SuSE, but the directions don't make sense to me. What exact material do I download from which folder on their Chicago FTP server, and is there any particular order I am to save it when I burn a CD with the material (or am I supposed to be able to just download something straight to my hard drive and boot from that?)? It talks about downloading the installation tree, but I don't see anything marked "Installation Tree", so, what next? I know I could just buy the thing, but I would like to get some proficiency out of this beyond just running Star Office. Marc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erick at nixbrain.com Sat Jan 31 03:46:33 2004 From: erick at nixbrain.com (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <401B7682.50604@nixbrain.com> Marc Olivier wrote: > Hello. > I would like to download the latest stable version of Linux from SuSE, but the > directions don't make sense to me. What exact material do I download from > which folder on their Chicago FTP server, and is there any particular order I > am to save it when I burn a CD with the material (or am I supposed to be able > to just download something straight to my hard drive and boot from that?)? > > It talks about downloading the installation tree, but I don't see anything > marked "Installation Tree", so, what next? > > I know I could just buy the thing, but I would like to get some proficiency > out of this beyond just running Star Office. > > Marc > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > I just did a network install 2 days ago and the directions on SuSE's web site were a bit different. I downloaded the boot.iso (I could be wrong on the name of the image), and burned it out to disk. Suse said to pass command line arguments to the kernel, like "linux install=ftp://server.com", I found this not to work, I just booted the install disk up and let it "crash" and when it dropped into a menu, Network install was an option and off I went. Not sure if it is what you want to hear but it worked for me. Took about 2-3 hrs. -- Erick Stohr Burnsville, MN erick@enrwebdev.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at iglide.net Sat Jan 31 04:29:49 2004 From: nota12b at iglide.net (Wil) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Correction Message-ID: <1075544834.26310.1.camel@loki.valhalla> *from the beermeeting page* "...Details: Gud fud, Gud bir. Nuf sed...." What wasn't included was the part about "No reservations. Nobody there." Arrived at 7. No joy in Mudville. :( -- Wil Now back to your regularly scheduled procrastination, already in progress... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Sat Jan 31 08:50:17 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2730.192.168.70.42.1075559842.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Suse dosen't provide iso's that you can download and then do an install from, unlike most every other linux distro. You can make a copy of one of their ftp sites to a local machine and do an NFS install, or you can install over the internet from their ftp site. Easiest thing to do is download the boot img iso, its about 22megs, make a CD from it. Boot your machine from the CD you just made, select your network adapter from the modules list, then do a network install using FTP. Pick a mirror that is closest, it should be faster. This way it will only donload the files that are needed based on the packages that you selected during the install. > Hello. > I would like to download the latest stable version of Linux from SuSE, > but the directions don't make sense to me. What exact material do I > download from which folder on their Chicago FTP server, and is there > any particular order I am to save it when I burn a CD with the material > (or am I supposed to be able to just download something straight to my > hard drive and boot from that?)? > > It talks about downloading the installation tree, but I don't see > anything marked "Installation Tree", so, what next? > > I know I could just buy the thing, but I would like to get some > proficiency out of this beyond just running Star Office. > > Marc > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Sat Jan 31 08:54:03 2004 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2769.192.168.70.42.1075560473.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> I forgot to mention in the previous message, that it takes about 2 hours to do a install from their FTP server, with cable internet. Your times will vary based on your connection speed. If you have dial-up, I would forget about trying to do it over the internet, it would probably take a day :( I have Suse 8.2 and 9 running a few machines, its a very nice product. And your right, there isn't a folder marked "Installation Tree". What you would want to do is copy all of the folders under .../pub/suse/i386/9.0 Its about 7.3 gigs if you download all of the folders. I skipped the suse/src folder, it had holds the source files, I didn't need them, its about 2.5 gigs in size. The CDROM boot image is named boot.iso and its located in the boot folder. Hope this helps ... > Hello. > I would like to download the latest stable version of Linux from SuSE, > but the directions don't make sense to me. What exact material do I > download from which folder on their Chicago FTP server, and is there > any particular order I am to save it when I burn a CD with the material > (or am I supposed to be able to just download something straight to my > hard drive and boot from that?)? > > It talks about downloading the installation tree, but I don't see > anything marked "Installation Tree", so, what next? > > I know I could just buy the thing, but I would like to get some > proficiency out of this beyond just running Star Office. > > Marc > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Jan 31 09:40:21 2004 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Correction In-Reply-To: <1075544834.26310.1.camel@loki.valhalla> References: <1075544834.26310.1.camel@loki.valhalla> Message-ID: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Wil wrote: > *from the beermeeting page* > > "...Details: > Gud fud, Gud bir. Nuf sed...." > > What wasn't included was the part about "No reservations. Nobody there." > Arrived at 7. No joy in Mudville. :( ouch! sorry about that personally i did not get off work till 6:30 and i was not in minneapolis untill 7:15, so i did not bother to go. :/ later that evening i checked my email and had several off-list messages about people not going because it is too cold. Damn wusses! -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Jan 31 10:20:10 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Correction In-Reply-To: References: <1075544834.26310.1.camel@loki.valhalla> Message-ID: <401BD55A.6070309@visi.com> Glad I didn't say "Damn wusses" Sam. Munir Nassar wrote: >On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Wil wrote: > > > >>*from the beermeeting page* >> >>"...Details: >>Gud fud, Gud bir. Nuf sed...." >> >>What wasn't included was the part about "No reservations. Nobody there." >>Arrived at 7. No joy in Mudville. :( >> >> > >ouch! sorry about that > >personally i did not get off work till 6:30 and i was not in minneapolis >untill 7:15, so i did not bother to go. :/ > >later that evening i checked my email and had several off-list messages >about people not going because it is too cold. Damn wusses! > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Jan 31 10:30:22 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <2769.192.168.70.42.1075560473.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> <2769.192.168.70.42.1075560473.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Message-ID: <401BD5F5.1030004@visi.com> No ISO's from SuSE... Why? Sam. Jim Streit wrote: >I forgot to mention in the previous message, that it takes about 2 hours >to do a install from their FTP server, with cable internet. Your times >will vary based on your connection speed. If you have dial-up, I would >forget about trying to do it over the internet, it would probably take a >day :( > >I have Suse 8.2 and 9 running a few machines, its a very nice product. > >And your right, there isn't a folder marked "Installation Tree". What you >would want to do is copy all of the folders under .../pub/suse/i386/9.0 >Its about 7.3 gigs if you download all of the folders. I skipped the >suse/src folder, it had holds the source files, I didn't need them, its >about 2.5 gigs in size. > >The CDROM boot image is named boot.iso and its located in the boot folder. > >Hope this helps ... > > > >>Hello. >>I would like to download the latest stable version of Linux from SuSE, >>but the directions don't make sense to me. What exact material do I >>download from which folder on their Chicago FTP server, and is there >>any particular order I am to save it when I burn a CD with the material >>(or am I supposed to be able to just download something straight to my >>hard drive and boot from that?)? >> >>It talks about downloading the installation tree, but I don't see >>anything marked "Installation Tree", so, what next? >> >>I know I could just buy the thing, but I would like to get some >>proficiency out of this beyond just running Star Office. >> >>Marc >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Jan 31 10:40:53 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo Message-ID: <401BD8A9.8060309@visi.com> emerge system Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From auditodd at comcast.net Sat Jan 31 11:24:40 2004 From: auditodd at comcast.net (Todd Young) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <401BD5F5.1030004@visi.com> References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> <2769.192.168.70.42.1075560473.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> <401BD5F5.1030004@visi.com> Message-ID: <401BE235.70403@comcast.net> To my knowledge, SUSE had never offerred their ISO images for download. Best bet is to find someone who has the CDs (or copies) and offer them beer or money to copy them. :-) Samuel MacDonald wrote: > No ISO's from SuSE... > > Why? > > Sam. > > Jim Streit wrote: > >> I forgot to mention in the previous message, that it takes about 2 hours >> to do a install from their FTP server, with cable internet. Your times >> will vary based on your connection speed. If you have dial-up, I would >> forget about trying to do it over the internet, it would probably take a >> day :( >> >> I have Suse 8.2 and 9 running a few machines, its a very nice product. >> >> And your right, there isn't a folder marked "Installation Tree". What >> you >> would want to do is copy all of the folders under >> .../pub/suse/i386/9.0 Its about 7.3 gigs if you download all of the >> folders. I skipped the >> suse/src folder, it had holds the source files, I didn't need them, its >> about 2.5 gigs in size. >> >> The CDROM boot image is named boot.iso and its located in the boot >> folder. >> >> Hope this helps ... >> >> >> >>> Hello. >>> I would like to download the latest stable version of Linux from SuSE, >>> but the directions don't make sense to me. What exact material do I >>> download from which folder on their Chicago FTP server, and is there >>> any particular order I am to save it when I burn a CD with the material >>> (or am I supposed to be able to just download something straight to my >>> hard drive and boot from that?)? >>> >>> It talks about downloading the installation tree, but I don't see >>> anything marked "Installation Tree", so, what next? >>> >>> I know I could just buy the thing, but I would like to get some >>> proficiency out of this beyond just running Star Office. >>> >>> Marc -- Todd Young 7079 Dawn Ave. E. Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Jan 31 11:38:31 2004 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <401BE235.70403@comcast.net> References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> <401BD5F5.1030004@visi.com> <401BE235.70403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200401311132.03229.jpschewe@mtu.net> Because it costs money to make a distribution and some of us would like to see a Linux distribution be able to make enough money to hang around. If you've got a fast net connection, just mirror the ftp site, it doesn't take long, or just do an ftp install. Don't copy someone else's CDs because they've got non-free applications on them that aren't included in the ftp distribution and then you're just hurting the nice companies that are writing cool software for Linux. Support your favortie distribution, buy a copy of the CDs (if they sell them) or dontate some money to them from time to time. On Saturday 31 January 2004 11:13, Todd Young wrote: > To my knowledge, SUSE had never offerred their ISO images for download. > Best bet is to find someone who has the CDs (or copies) and offer them > beer or money to copy them. :-) > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > > No ISO's from SuSE... > > > > Why? > > > > Sam. > > > > Jim Streit wrote: > >> I forgot to mention in the previous message, that it takes about 2 hours > >> to do a install from their FTP server, with cable internet. Your times > >> will vary based on your connection speed. If you have dial-up, I would > >> forget about trying to do it over the internet, it would probably take a > >> day :( > >> > >> I have Suse 8.2 and 9 running a few machines, its a very nice product. > >> > >> And your right, there isn't a folder marked "Installation Tree". What > >> you > >> would want to do is copy all of the folders under > >> .../pub/suse/i386/9.0 Its about 7.3 gigs if you download all of the > >> folders. I skipped the > >> suse/src folder, it had holds the source files, I didn't need them, its > >> about 2.5 gigs in size. > >> > >> The CDROM boot image is named boot.iso and its located in the boot > >> folder. > >> > >> Hope this helps ... > >> > >>> Hello. > >>> I would like to download the latest stable version of Linux from SuSE, > >>> but the directions don't make sense to me. What exact material do I > >>> download from which folder on their Chicago FTP server, and is there > >>> any particular order I am to save it when I burn a CD with the > >>> material (or am I supposed to be able to just download something > >>> straight to my hard drive and boot from that?)? > >>> > >>> It talks about downloading the installation tree, but I don't see > >>> anything marked "Installation Tree", so, what next? > >>> > >>> I know I could just buy the thing, but I would like to get some > >>> proficiency out of this beyond just running Star Office. > >>> > >>> Marc -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sat Jan 31 12:30:50 2004 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200401311224.24909.jack@jacku.com> On Saturday 31 January 2004 12:05 am, Marc Olivier wrote: > Hello. > I would like to download the latest stable version of Linux from SuSE, but > the directions don't make sense to me. What exact material do I download > from which folder on their Chicago FTP server, and is there any particular > order I am to save it when I burn a CD with the material (or am I supposed > to be able to just download something straight to my hard drive and boot > from that?)? > > It talks about downloading the installation tree, but I don't see anything > marked "Installation Tree", so, what next? > > I know I could just buy the thing, but I would like to get some proficiency > out of this beyond just running Star Office. > > Marc The other option is to get SuSE's LiveEval which will run from the CD and allow you to see what SuSE's like if you've never used it. I beleive there are instructions on the SuSE site for using the LiveEval to initiate an FTP install. Note: If you are all ready running an earlier version of SuSE you may be able to do a System Update from an FTP source. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Jan 31 12:46:07 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <401BD8A9.8060309@visi.com> References: <401BD8A9.8060309@visi.com> Message-ID: <401BF6D5.2060608@visi.com> Now I'm POed this really makes installing Gentoo impossible. If the site is suppose to have the software on it, it should be there. Can I just start the "emerge system" again? This is the problem as it is displayed... Resolving ftp.perl.org ... done. Connecting to ftp.perl.org[209.221.142.118]:21... connected. Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! ==> SYST ... done. ==> PWD ... done. ==>TYPE I ...done. ==> CWD /pub/CPAN/src ... done. ==> PASV .. done. ==>RETR perl-5.8.0.tar.gz ... No such file 'Perl-5.8.0.tar.gz . !!! Couldn't download Perl-5.8.0.tar.gz Aborting. Sam. Samuel MacDonald wrote: > emerge system > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Jan 31 13:19:12 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <401BF6D5.2060608@visi.com> References: <401BD8A9.8060309@visi.com> <401BF6D5.2060608@visi.com> Message-ID: <401BFE80.7010104@visi.com> So when I ftp ftp.perl.org cd pub no /pub/CPAN directory exists in I looked in... /pub/mirrors/CPAN/src no "perl-5.8.0.tar.gz" exists, a "perl-5.8.1.tar.gz" exists I do believe perl.org has changed something or Gentoo.org need to fix the code that is being used. Sam. Samuel MacDonald wrote: > Now I'm POed this really makes installing Gentoo impossible. > If the site is suppose to have the software on it, it should be there. > > Can I just start the "emerge system" again? > > This is the problem as it is displayed... > > Resolving ftp.perl.org ... done. > Connecting to ftp.perl.org[209.221.142.118]:21... connected. > Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! > ==> SYST ... done. ==> PWD ... done. > ==>TYPE I ...done. ==> CWD /pub/CPAN/src ... done. > ==> PASV .. done. ==>RETR perl-5.8.0.tar.gz ... > No such file 'Perl-5.8.0.tar.gz . > !!! Couldn't download Perl-5.8.0.tar.gz Aborting. > > > Sam. > > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >> emerge system >> >> Sam. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Jan 31 13:46:39 2004 From: smac at visi.com (Samuel MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading SuSE Linux 9.0 In-Reply-To: <200401311132.03229.jpschewe@mtu.net> References: <200401310005.43523.mcolivier@earthlink.net> <401BD5F5.1030004@visi.com> <401BE235.70403@comcast.net> <200401311132.03229.jpschewe@mtu.net> Message-ID: <401C0474.2040302@visi.com> I agree with this completely, support is very important. However the "tradition" has been to have the ISO's available. I've purchased several editions of several distributions Jon Schewe wrote: >Because it costs money to make a distribution and some of us would like to see >a Linux distribution be able to make enough money to hang around. If you've >got a fast net connection, just mirror the ftp site, it doesn't take long, or >just do an ftp install. Don't copy someone else's CDs because they've got >non-free applications on them that aren't included in the ftp distribution >and then you're just hurting the nice companies that are writing cool >software for Linux. > >Support your favortie distribution, buy a copy of the CDs (if they sell them) >or dontate some money to them from time to time. > >On Saturday 31 January 2004 11:13, Todd Young wrote: > > >>To my knowledge, SUSE had never offerred their ISO images for download. >>Best bet is to find someone who has the CDs (or copies) and offer them >>beer or money to copy them. :-) >> >>Samuel MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>>No ISO's from SuSE... >>> >>>Why? >>> >>>Sam. >>> >>>Jim Streit wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I forgot to mention in the previous message, that it takes about 2 hours >>>>to do a install from their FTP server, with cable internet. Your times >>>>will vary based on your connection speed. If you have dial-up, I would >>>>forget about trying to do it over the internet, it would probably take a >>>>day :( >>>> >>>>I have Suse 8.2 and 9 running a few machines, its a very nice product. >>>> >>>>And your right, there isn't a folder marked "Installation Tree". What >>>>you >>>>would want to do is copy all of the folders under >>>>.../pub/suse/i386/9.0 Its about 7.3 gigs if you download all of the >>>>folders. I skipped the >>>>suse/src folder, it had holds the source files, I didn't need them, its >>>>about 2.5 gigs in size. >>>> >>>>The CDROM boot image is named boot.iso and its located in the boot >>>>folder. >>>> >>>>Hope this helps ... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hello. >>>>>I would like to download the latest stable version of Linux from SuSE, >>>>>but the directions don't make sense to me. What exact material do I >>>>>download from which folder on their Chicago FTP server, and is there >>>>>any particular order I am to save it when I burn a CD with the >>>>>material (or am I supposed to be able to just download something >>>>>straight to my hard drive and boot from that?)? >>>>> >>>>>It talks about downloading the installation tree, but I don't see >>>>>anything marked "Installation Tree", so, what next? >>>>> >>>>>I know I could just buy the thing, but I would like to get some >>>>>proficiency out of this beyond just running Star Office. >>>>> >>>>>Marc >>>>> >>>>> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Sat Jan 31 13:47:49 2004 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <401BFE80.7010104@visi.com> References: <401BD8A9.8060309@visi.com> <401BF6D5.2060608@visi.com> <401BFE80.7010104@visi.com> Message-ID: <401C020B.6000603@askewview.net> Sam have you added the following to the end of your /etc/make.conf file? GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo/" SYNC="rsync://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo-portage" If not try it and then try to emerge system again Samuel MacDonald wrote: > So when I > ftp ftp.perl.org > cd pub > no /pub/CPAN directory exists in > > I looked in... > /pub/mirrors/CPAN/src > no "perl-5.8.0.tar.gz" exists, a "perl-5.8.1.tar.gz" exists > > I do believe perl.org has changed something or Gentoo.org need to fix > the code that is being used. > > Sam. > > Samuel MacDonald wrote: > >> Now I'm POed this really makes installing Gentoo impossible. >> If the site is suppose to have the software on it, it should be there. >> >> Can I just start the "emerge system" again? >> >> This is the problem as it is displayed... >> >> Resolving ftp.perl.org ... done. >> Connecting to ftp.perl.org[209.221.142.118]:21... connected. >> Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! >> ==> SYST ... done. ==> PWD ... done. >> ==>TYPE I ...done. ==> CWD /pub/CPAN/src ... done. >> ==> PASV .. done. ==>RETR perl-5.8.0.tar.gz ... >> No such file 'Perl-5.8.0.tar.gz . >> !!! Couldn't download Perl-5.8.0.tar.gz Aborting. >> >> >> Sam. >> >> >> Samuel MacDonald wrote: >> >>> emerge system >>> >>> Sam. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Sat Jan 31 13:50:43 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: suse iso Message-ID: <200401311944.i0VJibn1002085@dingo.software.umn.edu> http://www.linuxiso.org/index.php has a live evaluation cd. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbresnah at visi.com Sat Jan 31 14:35:00 2004 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting tomorrow (friday) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Beermeeting tomorrow(friday) at Pizza Luce, Downtown Minneapolis. The > usual time. Where was everyone? Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sat Jan 31 18:04:28 2004 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BeerMeeting tomorrow (friday) In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 12:01:12PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20040131175435.A9173@thinkunix.net> Mike Bresnahan wrote: > > Beermeeting tomorrow(friday) at Pizza Luce, Downtown Minneapolis. The > > usual time. > > Where was everyone? no job, no money, no beer :( -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From isla0005 at umn.edu Sat Jan 31 22:19:45 2004 From: isla0005 at umn.edu (Mohammed W Islam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] clamav-milter Message-ID: <200402010112.i111Cw8M030387@fantasy.software.umn.edu> For some reason, I am not getting the clamav-milter to work. I have installed clamav with --enable-milter option however do not see the clamav-milter binary in my /usr/local/sbin or anywhere. The docs on the web about this is also very limited. Any suggestion guys ? It's running with Freebsd 4.5 and sendmail. -apu _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Jan 28 20:40:12 2004 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo In-Reply-To: <40174F3A.3000602@visi.com> References: <40174F3A.3000602@visi.com> Message-ID: <40187071.5010108@mn.rr.com> Samuel MacDonald wrote: > I can't seam to get the network running when installing > I booted the CD and typed "gentoo dopcmcia" > It found the pcmcia sockets but it does not find the Xircom IIps > > I'm a bit lost at this point because I don't know which driver to use > for the Xircom IIps > I looked in the /lib/modules/'name' /kernel/net. > Or even if I have a choice or if I have to wait for another point in > the installation. > Sam- I had toruble with a Xircom card and gentoo also then card would beep during boot and lights would flash when it came up, but nothing would work... It's at work now so I'll try to repspond tomorrow if I can.... but I think i got around it by booting up, opening a term, su - to root then issuing a : ifconfig eth0 up and a dhcpcd eth0 > I created the partitions and will format them tomorrow, time for bed. > > The Laptop is a > Compaq Armada 7770 DMT > Pentium 233mmx, 80mb RAM, 3 gig of disk > > It's missing the right "Shift" key but that's really not a problem. > > Sam. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Thu Jan 29 12:10:36 2004 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:47:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual booting with two hard drives? Message-ID: <200401291749.i0THnSPi028883@fantasy.software.umn.edu> I had redhat 9 installed on my computer. Then I installed a second hard drive on my computer and put mandrake 9.2 on it, this new hard drive is the master. Redhat is using grub and mandrake is using lilo. How can I configure it so that I have the option of booting from either? currently, mandrake is my only option at boot time. If it would help to make redhat master, that's not a problem. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Jan 2 20:36:23 2004 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:49:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] No TCLUG meeting Jan 3 Message-ID: <20040103002514.GB12118@fandre.com> Due to the holidays there won't be a January 3rd 2004 TCLUG meeting. I may try and reschedule it for Jan 10th, but considered it cancelled unless I post otherwise. -- Clay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list