This may not be as off-topic as it first sounds. I got a message from Wind River this morning confirming the rumors of the EOL of BSD/OS. They will soon be releasing 5.1 in October, which will be the last version. All support ends on 31-Dec 2004. Sihope has been running BSD/OS for about 9 years - there are 2.0 boxes and manuals dated 1995 in the storage room. We have almost completely migrated to FreeBSD - we started more than a year ago when WRS bought BSDI, and we started to see some problems. But before that, it had served us very well. We have only a handful of BSD/OS machines left, and we already have plans to transition off of them, it's just a matter of time. So, for the not-off-topic part, we have a company that sells commercial unix (BSD/OS is not WRS' primary business) that is dropping the product line because it's no longer commercially viable, despite it being a sound business model for the previous 10 years. And everyone knows about ANOTHER x86-based unix vendor that is showing all of the same signs, and is making one last effort before the company tanks, because their x86-unix product is no longer making them money, and this one IS their primary business. This is also after being a relative success for the past 10 years (The SCO group was founded in 1994). Yes, I said success - even though I think OpenServer sucks like a 14-amp Hoover, and UnixWare blows like said Hoover on Super-Ultra-Mega-Reverse, the business was in pretty good shape up until a few years ago. (Does the sucking and S-U-M-blowing cancel out?) Is this the beginning of the end for commercial unix on x86? Ignoring Solaris x86, which is the bastard love-child of Sun and Intel (it's like one of those morphing programs, where you put in your picture and your girlfriend's picture, and you see what kind of hideous creation would befall humanity if you procreated.) It was not released to be a stand-alone product and generate revenue, it just made things easier/cheaper for Sun (easier support-wise for their existing customer base that is already used to Solaris, and cheaper for Sun because they now have a familiar OS that can run on their x86-based hardware, and better for Sun in general because it gets more people hooked into Solaris). Oh yeah, but Sun loves Linux (so they released Solaris x86?!?) So what does everyone think? Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list