I'm not going after anyone with this eMail it's just general angst! *< Ranting>* This is why I didn't want to use the "apt-get install afterstep" without knowing what is REALLY needed. For some reason it does not install what is needed to run X windows, without knowing WTF is going on internally it will never work. Obviously some configuration or inside knowledge is needed before installing and running X windows and any window manager. Either a dependency for running X windows is not included with "afterstep" or it is assumed to be installed. ~~~ # afterstep AfterStep: can't open display # afterstep -d 0 AfterStep: can't open display # startx bash: startx: command not found # X bash: X: command not found ~~~ I know this is not a M$ installer but for Linux (any distribution) to even get close to the desktop it will need to be able to install and run _anything_ without fault. # apt-get remove afterstep It still leaves directories and files for me to manually remove, the unistall process needs to be complete. Freaking delete the files then the directory. I don't care who wrote apt-get they need to do the job right. *</Ranting>* Sam. Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder, after the the technical guy made it work. Scot Jenkins wrote: >Sam, >I'm thinking this is probably the easiest thing to do: > >apt-get install -s mozilla --OR-- >apt-get install -s afterstep > >the '-s' says to show what it would do without actually doing it. >both mozilla and afterstep will require X11. Once you see what it will >do, just rerun without the '-s' option and it will install what's >required. Debian rocks. > >other options: >tasksel, dselect, aptitude (my personal favorite) for selecting >individual packages. > > >Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I just installed Debian base on the machine that was a Redhat 6.X box. >>I was looking at the debian site trying to figure out how to do a >>minimal installation of X windows. Looking at all the packages under >>http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/ confused me a bit. I looked at >>the howto and I went in to denial. I don't want every feature, >>application, etc,, that comes with Gnome or KDE. I really like >>Afterstep so that's the direction I want to go. I find that using a >>minimal set of tools lets me understand the internals of any system and >>reduces the clutter. To much stuff is just, to much stuff in my book. >>(KISS = Keep It Simple Sam) >> >>"Does anyone have or know of websites I can read that will help me >>better understand the internals of X windows?" I know I will need >>Xfree, Afterstep, and other components to make this work. X windows has >>just boggled my mind when it comes to configuration. I had times when >>it just doesn't work because I don't understand what to tweek to get it >>to run. >> >>What I presently have installed is Debian 2.2.20, ssh, samba, vlock, >>apache, mysql, joe, and php4. I want X windows so I can use a graphical >>HTML editor (unknown). Once X windows is installed I'll install Mozilla >>and thats about it. >> >>Eventually I want to have only Linux "servers" in the house and moving >>to the desktop when I can get more up to date hardware for my kid's so >>they can run Wine or other windows emulator for the games they like. I >>also need to be able to support the environment so it doesn't drive me >>crazy. >> >>I have these websites bookmarked for study. I have found having more >>then 1 source of information is important. Each community has it's own >>resources and ideas on how to do things that help in learning. >> >>http://www.x.org/ >>http://www.xfree86.org/ >>http://www.afterstep.org/ >> >> >>Thanks >>Sam. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list