Forgiven and Forgotten. Tom Penney wrote: >On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:34, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>How dare you! How dare you even say the first part, of the first >>sentence, of the third paragraph. Saying "I don't mean this personally >>Sam". Get a clue son, you made it personal by writing that line, you >>addressed me directly. >> >> > >You are right Sam. I did make this personal and I shouldn't have. I have >obviously offended you and that was not my intent. If I try to put >myself in your place then go back and read what an I wrote I see what an >ass I was for directing my comments at you personally. I did not intend >to degrade you or the the job you did at IBM. > >My intent was to voice my opinion on this off topic subject. You often >voice your opinion on this subject on this list. Yours is an opinion >which differs greatly from mine. > > > >>You are right "Tom", I will never convince anyone, I don't want to. I >>only want to ask questions that may stimulate thought along another >>line, thats all. You on the other hand have to be correct about >>everything. By the way Tom, I would never make a comment about you or >>anyone else, like the last line of the first paragraph. Your arrogance >>is beyond comprehension, by attempting to degrade others you attempt to >>make yourself look superior. >> >> > >I'm not superior to you or anyone else. I'm not correct about >everything, although sometimes I like to think I am. My opinions are >only opinions and you are free to discount them. I read this list >because I would like to know more about linux than I do. Not to voice my >politics as I find myself doing. > > > >>Tom please find a job, doing what you do now, at $2.50 an hour. Now >>tell me, can you pay the bills you have at that rate of pay? Is that a >>living wage in this country? How many people could be paid a living >>wage with what the CEO of IBM makes? How much have these CEO's invested >>(for personal gain) in these companies in other countrys? >> >> > >The world does not owe me a living wage. I am fortunate enough to live >in a society where I can be productive enough to earn one. If I had to >feed my family on $2.50 an hour I would find a way. Millions of people >feed their families on less, they should not have to and fortunately I >do not have to. > > > >>Let the people in other countrys come up with their own jobs, let them >>work as hard as I have for as long as I have and then tell me they >>"earned" it. Don't you dare try to tell me "people in other countrys >>deserve to have MY job" because they can do it cheaper! I put in long >>hours and missed a lot of things I shouldn't have. I put myself in to >>my work, I have passion for what I do. How does the largest I/T company >>in the world reward me? I made the mistake of going to work for them, I >>learned my lesson. And now I want to make sure other people are informed. >> >> > > > > >>Tom, please go to Curly's bar in the West End of Duluth and spew you >>rhetoric. I know for sure several guys will be happy educate you on >>good and evil, right and wrong. >> >> > >I'm sure they would try. I'm sure a pro choice person would get an ear >full at a pro life rally too. I'm sure Sara Brady would be "educated" at >an NRA meeting too. But in the end the market decides where the money >goes, it always has and always will. I will try to be in the place where >the money is going. If I do go to Curly's I'll keep my mouth shut, pay >for the goods and services they have provided me along with a generous >tip, and be on my way. > >Again, Sam, I do apologize for being an ass. People with differing >opinions can get along. I hope when we meet face to face we can be >civil. > >- Tom > > > >>Sam. >> >>P.S. Tom if you ever get laid off and can't find a job, I would be >>happy to lend you the names and phone numbers of the nice people who >>have gotten me several interviews. I have not been the first choice, >>but I have always been in the running. I mean this sincerely because it >>is no fun being behind on the bills. >> >> >> >>>Tom Penney Wrote >>> >>>Absolutely! As it should be. If a job can get done for less it helps >>>everybody. It Helps IBM be competitive. It helps the consumer pay less >>>for higher quality. It helps the people overseas raise their wage closer >>>to where it should be. It helps people like Sam to move on to a >>>occupation worthy of his wage. >>> >>>Argue for unions, argue that IBM is immoral and evil for sending jobs >>>overseas all you like, I don't buy it. >>> >>>I really don't mean this personally Sam, we are sorry IBM outsourced >>>your job to another county, but the sooner you can accept that people >>>and companies will ALWAYS take the cheapest solution the happier you >>>will be. You'll never convince me or the corporate world to spend more >>>to complete a job solely because it's the right thing to do. All they >>>are doing is paying people the wage they are asking for. There is >>>nothing wrong with that. What is right for you is not necessarily right >>>for everyone. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list