<http://www.ibmemployee.com/>http://www.ibmemployee.com/ Read from the above website and find out the facts Tom. Not just from me as a past IBMer but from many past and present IBMers. You know what Tom, I was never talking about, just me, this is not about, just me. This has and will happen to many people, and in time it may happen to you. If, as a people, we do not stand up for ourselves and everyone we know. We will be no better off then the Russian people during Stalinism. England could have accepted the Nazi's, we could have accepted the nazi's. We didn't we stood our ground and said "NO" and we stopped the nazi's. How dare you! How dare you even say the first part, of the first sentence, of the third paragraph. Saying "I don't mean this personally Sam". Get a clue son, you made it personal by writing that line, you addressed me directly. You are right "Tom", I will never convince anyone, I don't want to. I only want to ask questions that may stimulate thought along another line, thats all. You on the other hand have to be correct about everything. By the way Tom, I would never make a comment about you or anyone else, like the last line of the first paragraph. Your arrogance is beyond comprehension, by attempting to degrade others you attempt to make yourself look superior. Tom please find a job, doing what you do now, at $2.50 an hour. Now tell me, can you pay the bills you have at that rate of pay? Is that a living wage in this country? How many people could be paid a living wage with what the CEO of IBM makes? How much have these CEO's invested (for personal gain) in these companies in other countrys? Let the people in other countrys come up with their own jobs, let them work as hard as I have for as long as I have and then tell me they "earned" it. Don't you dare try to tell me "people in other countrys deserve to have MY job" because they can do it cheaper! I put in long hours and missed a lot of things I shouldn't have. I put myself in to my work, I have passion for what I do. How does the largest I/T company in the world reward me? I made the mistake of going to work for them, I learned my lesson. And now I want to make sure other people are informed. Tom, please go to Curly's bar in the West End of Duluth and spew you rhetoric. I know for sure several guys will be happy educate you on good and evil, right and wrong. Sam. P.S. Tom if you ever get laid off and can't find a job, I would be happy to lend you the names and phone numbers of the nice people who have gotten me several interviews. I have not been the first choice, but I have always been in the running. I mean this sincerely because it is no fun being behind on the bills. >Tom Penney Wrote > >Absolutely! As it should be. If a job can get done for less it helps >everybody. It Helps IBM be competitive. It helps the consumer pay less >for higher quality. It helps the people overseas raise their wage closer >to where it should be. It helps people like Sam to move on to a >occupation worthy of his wage. > >Argue for unions, argue that IBM is immoral and evil for sending jobs >overseas all you like, I don't buy it. > >I really don't mean this personally Sam, we are sorry IBM outsourced >your job to another county, but the sooner you can accept that people >and companies will ALWAYS take the cheapest solution the happier you >will be. You'll never convince me or the corporate world to spend more >to complete a job solely because it's the right thing to do. All they >are doing is paying people the wage they are asking for. There is >nothing wrong with that. What is right for you is not necessarily right >for everyone. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list