From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Mar 6 14:21:47 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need useradd script In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 2003 13:44:55 CST." <200303061344.55988@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <40944.204.220.56.30.1046961886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <57504.198.74.20.75.1046968575.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <200303061344.55988@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030306202147.A36EDC199@wookimus.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > If your text file is just usernames: > > for i in `cat username.txt`; do > useradd $i > done > > This creat accounts WITHOUT passwords! Or, install pwgen(1) and add the following lines to the script: #.... useradd $i pwd=`pwgen -s` passwd -e $i $pwd cat << EONEWUSER | enscript -P $PRINTER Greetings, ${i}. Your new account has been created! Here is the pertinent information from the finger(1) program: `finger` Your new password is: $pwd You will be forced to change your password upon your first login attempt. Please contact support@domain.tld for help or call at XXX-YYY-ZZZZ. Thank you for using domain.tld for your internet services! EONEWUSER -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 1 18:27:45 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:24:56PM -0600 References: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030301182745.J31563@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Next TCLUG Meeting > > When: > March 1st, 2003, noon - 2pm My fault. Forgot to approve this message. Sorry. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 8 19:10:13 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1995.192.1.1.15.1047172213.squirrel@dccmn.com> The VNC folk do say their connections are NOT secure and should not be used on an open network. > On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: >> Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's >> all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server >> that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I >> can run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with >> java. > > Then anyone with a web browser can do the same thing. > > Does this mini http server encrypt the link? If not, anyone on the path > to your boxcan easily snoop your username and password. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 3 13:58:14 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Re: [TCLUG] JDBC/Access Driver In-Reply-To: <3E63A405.B6FD8AC7@ppdonline.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030303120000.00aea688@pop.pressenter.com> <3E63A405.B6FD8AC7@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <200303031358.14753.tanner@real-time.com> On Monday 03 March 2003 12:50 pm, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Last I checked there wasn't one (it was a few years ago though). That > makes sense if you think about it, Access only runs on Windows and ODBC > is present on every copy of Windows so when you need to interact with > Access just use the JDBC to ODBC bridge (sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver). > Thinking over that a bit more I suppose it may be a problem if you are > emulating Windows on Linux, I don't know if ODBC works in that > scenario. All my Linux boxes have been just Linux, no emulation, so > someone with more experience in that area may want to chime in about > ODBC support. > Later, > Ben. What type of JDBC driver? I assume Type 4? Add to that most (all?) JDBC Type 4 drivers are multi-threaded and Access is not. From personal experience Access is a terrible back-end to any web application, if that is what your are developing. The "best" tool I've used is commerial and is from Easysoft as is called JDBC-ODBC http://www.easysoft.com/products/2003/main.phtml -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ tclug-devel mailing list tclug-devel@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-devel From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 1 18:27:45 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:24:56PM -0600 References: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030301182745.J31563@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Next TCLUG Meeting > > When: > March 1st, 2003, noon - 2pm My fault. Forgot to approve this message. Sorry. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 3 13:58:14 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Re: [TCLUG] JDBC/Access Driver In-Reply-To: <3E63A405.B6FD8AC7@ppdonline.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030303120000.00aea688@pop.pressenter.com> <3E63A405.B6FD8AC7@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <200303031358.14753.tanner@real-time.com> On Monday 03 March 2003 12:50 pm, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Last I checked there wasn't one (it was a few years ago though). That > makes sense if you think about it, Access only runs on Windows and ODBC > is present on every copy of Windows so when you need to interact with > Access just use the JDBC to ODBC bridge (sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver). > Thinking over that a bit more I suppose it may be a problem if you are > emulating Windows on Linux, I don't know if ODBC works in that > scenario. All my Linux boxes have been just Linux, no emulation, so > someone with more experience in that area may want to chime in about > ODBC support. > Later, > Ben. What type of JDBC driver? I assume Type 4? Add to that most (all?) JDBC Type 4 drivers are multi-threaded and Access is not. From personal experience Access is a terrible back-end to any web application, if that is what your are developing. The "best" tool I've used is commerial and is from Easysoft as is called JDBC-ODBC http://www.easysoft.com/products/2003/main.phtml -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ tclug-devel mailing list tclug-devel@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-devel From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 5 09:28:18 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday Message-ID: All the fun details are available at http://beer.tclug.org --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, March 7, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Stub and Herb's 227 Oak St SE Minneapolis, MN --- snip --- Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 8 19:10:13 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1995.192.1.1.15.1047172213.squirrel@dccmn.com> The VNC folk do say their connections are NOT secure and should not be used on an open network. > On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: >> Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's >> all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server >> that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I >> can run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with >> java. > > Then anyone with a web browser can do the same thing. > > Does this mini http server encrypt the link? If not, anyone on the path > to your boxcan easily snoop your username and password. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Mar 20 12:06:32 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 In-Reply-To: <200303192227.45964.tanner@real-time.com> References: <42984.63.137.56.228.1048100366.squirrel@dccmn.com> <200303192227.45964.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <64764.63.137.56.228.1048183592.squirrel@dccmn.com> It's only a small system, so I was going to implement it globally there. > On Wednesday 19 March 2003 12:59 pm, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: >> After all this talk on SpamAssassin, I noticed that it's included in >> RH8.0. And it's even installed. Guess I need to configure it in. >> >> I've started spamd. Is there any other configuration work that needs >> to be done to get spamc run by sendmail? Or has RH got another >> undocumented trick to get that run? I tried their website but not >> much popped out. > > Do you want to run it via procmail (ala small number of users)? > > OR > > Do you want to run it globally for all users? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 1 18:27:45 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:24:56PM -0600 References: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030301182745.J31563@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Next TCLUG Meeting > > When: > March 1st, 2003, noon - 2pm My fault. Forgot to approve this message. Sorry. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 8 19:10:13 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1995.192.1.1.15.1047172213.squirrel@dccmn.com> The VNC folk do say their connections are NOT secure and should not be used on an open network. > On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: >> Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's >> all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server >> that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I >> can run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with >> java. > > Then anyone with a web browser can do the same thing. > > Does this mini http server encrypt the link? If not, anyone on the path > to your boxcan easily snoop your username and password. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 5 09:28:18 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday Message-ID: All the fun details are available at http://beer.tclug.org --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, March 7, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Stub and Herb's 227 Oak St SE Minneapolis, MN --- snip --- Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 3 13:58:14 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Re: [TCLUG] JDBC/Access Driver In-Reply-To: <3E63A405.B6FD8AC7@ppdonline.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030303120000.00aea688@pop.pressenter.com> <3E63A405.B6FD8AC7@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <200303031358.14753.tanner@real-time.com> On Monday 03 March 2003 12:50 pm, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Last I checked there wasn't one (it was a few years ago though). That > makes sense if you think about it, Access only runs on Windows and ODBC > is present on every copy of Windows so when you need to interact with > Access just use the JDBC to ODBC bridge (sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver). > Thinking over that a bit more I suppose it may be a problem if you are > emulating Windows on Linux, I don't know if ODBC works in that > scenario. All my Linux boxes have been just Linux, no emulation, so > someone with more experience in that area may want to chime in about > ODBC support. > Later, > Ben. What type of JDBC driver? I assume Type 4? Add to that most (all?) JDBC Type 4 drivers are multi-threaded and Access is not. From personal experience Access is a terrible back-end to any web application, if that is what your are developing. The "best" tool I've used is commerial and is from Easysoft as is called JDBC-ODBC http://www.easysoft.com/products/2003/main.phtml -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ tclug-devel mailing list tclug-devel@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-devel From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 8 19:10:13 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1995.192.1.1.15.1047172213.squirrel@dccmn.com> The VNC folk do say their connections are NOT secure and should not be used on an open network. > On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: >> Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's >> all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server >> that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I >> can run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with >> java. > > Then anyone with a web browser can do the same thing. > > Does this mini http server encrypt the link? If not, anyone on the path > to your boxcan easily snoop your username and password. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Mar 20 12:06:32 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 In-Reply-To: <200303192227.45964.tanner@real-time.com> References: <42984.63.137.56.228.1048100366.squirrel@dccmn.com> <200303192227.45964.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <64764.63.137.56.228.1048183592.squirrel@dccmn.com> It's only a small system, so I was going to implement it globally there. > On Wednesday 19 March 2003 12:59 pm, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: >> After all this talk on SpamAssassin, I noticed that it's included in >> RH8.0. And it's even installed. Guess I need to configure it in. >> >> I've started spamd. Is there any other configuration work that needs >> to be done to get spamc run by sendmail? Or has RH got another >> undocumented trick to get that run? I tried their website but not >> much popped out. > > Do you want to run it via procmail (ala small number of users)? > > OR > > Do you want to run it globally for all users? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Mar 20 21:42:54 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: When: Friday, March 21, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Green Mill 57 Hamline Ave S St. Paul, MN More details available at http://beer.tclug.org Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 1 18:27:45 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:24:56PM -0600 References: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030301182745.J31563@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Next TCLUG Meeting > > When: > March 1st, 2003, noon - 2pm My fault. Forgot to approve this message. Sorry. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 5 09:28:18 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday Message-ID: All the fun details are available at http://beer.tclug.org --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, March 7, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Stub and Herb's 227 Oak St SE Minneapolis, MN --- snip --- Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Mar 6 14:21:47 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need useradd script In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 2003 13:44:55 CST." <200303061344.55988@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <40944.204.220.56.30.1046961886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <57504.198.74.20.75.1046968575.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <200303061344.55988@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030306202147.A36EDC199@wookimus.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > If your text file is just usernames: > > for i in `cat username.txt`; do > useradd $i > done > > This creat accounts WITHOUT passwords! Or, install pwgen(1) and add the following lines to the script: #.... useradd $i pwd=`pwgen -s` passwd -e $i $pwd cat << EONEWUSER | enscript -P $PRINTER Greetings, ${i}. Your new account has been created! Here is the pertinent information from the finger(1) program: `finger` Your new password is: $pwd You will be forced to change your password upon your first login attempt. Please contact support@domain.tld for help or call at XXX-YYY-ZZZZ. Thank you for using domain.tld for your internet services! EONEWUSER -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From jack at jacku.com Sat Mar 1 09:32:11 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH8 Book (Was: Anyone want this stuff?) In-Reply-To: <001b01c2df8a$5f292c90$6401a8c0@GIMPBOY> References: <001b01c2df8a$5f292c90$6401a8c0@GIMPBOY> Message-ID: <200303010932.11239.jack@jacku.com> On Friday February 28, 2003 6:34 pm, Jeffrey Bolduan wrote: > I guess it will have to be best offer > because I could really use the books about say RH8 command line and such. While I was searching Amazon the other day to show someone Mark Sobell's Practical Guide to Linux (a favorite of mine for teaching/learning Linux basics) I found he has a new version geared toward Red Hat 8. Simply go to Amazon and search Sobell you'll find it. One of the online reviews mentions that his website has the text of four chapters from the book so that may be worth a visit as well. Good Luck! -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sat Mar 1 09:32:11 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH8 Book (Was: Anyone want this stuff?) In-Reply-To: <001b01c2df8a$5f292c90$6401a8c0@GIMPBOY> References: <001b01c2df8a$5f292c90$6401a8c0@GIMPBOY> Message-ID: <200303010932.11239.jack@jacku.com> On Friday February 28, 2003 6:34 pm, Jeffrey Bolduan wrote: > I guess it will have to be best offer > because I could really use the books about say RH8 command line and such. While I was searching Amazon the other day to show someone Mark Sobell's Practical Guide to Linux (a favorite of mine for teaching/learning Linux basics) I found he has a new version geared toward Red Hat 8. Simply go to Amazon and search Sobell you'll find it. One of the online reviews mentions that his website has the text of four chapters from the book so that may be worth a visit as well. Good Luck! -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sat Mar 1 17:13:34 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Today's meeting Message-ID: <20030301171334.A310@thinkunix.net> I would like to thank Mick Bauer for his informative presentation on Linux Security today at the TCLUG meeting, and for his patience while we figured out how to get the lecture hall opened. I still think he should have showed us his lock picking abilities :) Thanks to Clay for getting another great speaker on a very important topic. If you missed Mick's presentation, his slides are available here: http://softpro.wiremonkeys.org/ -- scot _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Tue Mar 4 10:12:22 2003 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Default user password (Still not solved!) Message-ID: >On Tuesday 04 March 2003 08:29 am, Siems, Gregory wrote: >> How about: >> >> useradd ... username >> echo my_spiffy_password | passwd --stdin username When last seen, Bob Tanner was alleged to have written: >look at autopasswd part of the expect package. Look at expect in general, >great tool. Not aware of autopasswd (something to look at...), and yes, expect is a great tool. One of the fun things about Linux-- TMTOWTDI (kinda like perl) --Greg _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Mar 4 07:34:39 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader In-Reply-To: <62413.209.98.213.140.1046745073.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Mark Courtney wrote: > The reader seems to show up by scanning. > > # cdrecord --scanbus > > scsibus1: > 1,0,0 100) 'SanDisk ' 'ImageMate CF-SM ' '0100' Removable Disk > Hmm, what's on scsibus0? This might be relevant. Another route might be to check dmesg for messages regarding the device. Try: # grep 'sd' /var/log/dmesg Or: # dmesg | grep 'sd' The latter sometimes isn't so effective, because (IIRC) it outputs a ring buffer, which may have gotten filled with other logged junk since the kernel discovered the device. > I tried to mount it like this, but it didn't work. > > # mount -t vfat -orw /dev/sdb1 /mnt/smart > mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist You might want to try running fdisk on whatever the device is. I.e.: # fdisk /dev/sdb and use 'p' to print the partition table (assuming it works, anyway). Use 'q' to quit. I seem to recall that Zip disks would vary in the partition used depending on what filesystem it was. VFAT was 4, as I recall. Kind of strange, but you never know when history will repeat itself. Just a couple ideas. Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Tue Mar 4 08:29:22 2003 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Default user password (Still not solved!) Message-ID: How about: useradd ... username echo my_spiffy_password | passwd --stdin username --Greg > ---------- > From: michael.arolan@excite.com[SMTP:michael.arolan@excite.com] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Default user password (Still not solved!) > > > Thanks guys for your replies! > > I am actually developing a program that would dynamically create a user on the Linux box and set the password to the password supplied by the new user. Unfortunately, the solution you've all described requires manual intervention which is what we are trying to get around. Do you know of any other way? The program doing the automation is written in C and uses the system command to execute a add user command. The actual request comes from the web! So the architecture is: > > Web browser -> Java servlet -> C program (via JNI) -> user created on the Linux Box! > > As you can see, no manual intervention! Do you know of anyother way to set the password dynammically? > > Thanks Guys > > Michael > > --- On Fri 02/28, Bob Tanner < tanner@real-time.com > wrote: > From: Bob Tanner [mailto: tanner@real-time.com] > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:01:27 -0600 > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Default user password > > On Friday 28 February 2003 12:33 pm, wrote: > > Hi Guys/Ladies > > > > Does anyone know what the default password Linux uses when you create a new > > user from the command line? > > No password. > > Use passwd to change it. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rgullick at pressenter.com Mon Mar 3 12:00:00 2003 From: rgullick at pressenter.com (robert gullickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] JDBC/Access Driver Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030303120000.00aea688@pop.pressenter.com> Looking for a nonproprietary, open JDBC/Access driver. thanks, rgullick _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 5 09:28:18 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday Message-ID: All the fun details are available at http://beer.tclug.org --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, March 7, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Stub and Herb's 227 Oak St SE Minneapolis, MN --- snip --- Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Tue Mar 4 12:20:46 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader In-Reply-To: References: <62413.209.98.213.140.1046745073.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <63350.209.98.213.140.1046802046.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Thanks for the input, Jima. I think the problem is that the CF card is sda* and the SmartMedia card is sdb*. I'm tryin' to use a SmartMedia card and I have no sdb* in /dev. > Hmm, what's on scsibus0? This might be relevant. scsibus0: 0,3,0 3) 'MITSUMI ' 'CR-48X5TE ' '1.2A' Removable CD-ROM > Another route might be to check dmesg for messages regarding the device. > Try: > > # grep 'sd' /var/log/dmesg > > Or: > > # dmesg | grep 'sd' > Both- grep 'sd' /var/log/dmesg -and- dmesg | grep 'sd' -provide no result. # grep 'scsi' /var/log/dmesg Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda5 devfs=mount hdd=ide-scsi quiet vga=788 ide_setup: hdd=ide-scsi scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Thanks again for the input, fellas. The battle continues. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 4 20:14:40 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian kde 3.1 In-Reply-To: <200302251645.45095.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <3E5BEE1B.9090604@gac.edu> <200302251645.45095.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <3E655D90.40708@gac.edu> How would I use redhat apt to get, say, mozilla updates? thanks justin James Spinti wrote: > On Tuesday 25 February 2003 04:28 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > > >>also, does anyone know the status of the kde 3.1 red hat rpms? on >>sourceforge, there are what look to be rh8 kde3.1 rpms, but its not >>exactly clear >> > > Hi Justin, > > If you run apt on RH, add these lines to your /etc/apt/source.list: > > ### RedHat 8.0 > ## Stable packages (required) > rpm ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 8.0 kde3 kde3-extras > ## Unstable/test packages (optional) > rpm ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 8.0 kde3-test > > Then do apt-get update && apt-get -y install kde && apt-get -y upgrade > > And you have a working KDE 3.1, which is very nice, although they still > don't have the kmail attachment problem working yet (if you use uuencode > from a Unix command line and then send the message, kmail doesn't > recognize it as an attachment :( ) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Tue Mar 4 11:19:00 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Calling any/all SuSE 8.1 experts!? In-Reply-To: <200303040859.AA55902292@mail.iglide.net> References: <200303040859.AA55902292@mail.iglide.net> Message-ID: <43632.207.109.1.73.1046798340.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> I am running SuSE 8.1 (though the term "expert" doesn't really apply!) Let me know if you have any ???s. Josh > I decided some time back to ride the RedHat horse to learn Linux > with and have been (reasonably) happy with that decision so far > with the 8.0 release. However, with the recent advent of > the 'surveyware' for the RHN, and the subsequent crash of 1 of my > boxen, I am wanting to try SuSE8.1 again. > > In order to keep the traffic to a minimum, please contact off > (messageboard) line at: > not > a > 1 > 2 > b > at > iglide > dot > net > > Thanks for any/all help! > > Wil > Remember the three R's of Micro$oft: > Reboot. Reinstall. Reformat. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Josh Trutwin http://trutwins.homeip.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Mon Mar 3 21:36:39 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader In-Reply-To: <200303032045.44830.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <62413.209.98.213.140.1046745073.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <200303032045.44830.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <62526.209.98.213.140.1046748999.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Thanks for the input. I must be on the right track here. > Did you also try /dev/sda1 as well? Yep. # mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/smart mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too many mounted file systems The modules for the usb and scsi are installed. # lsmod |grep scsi ide-scsi 8212 0 scsi_mod 90372 5 [sg sd_mod usb-storage sr_mod ide-scsi] # lsmod |grep usb usb-storage 51952 0 scsi_mod 90372 5 [sg sd_mod usb-storage sr_mod ide-scsi] usb-ohci 18216 0 (unused) usbcore 58304 1 [usb-storage usb-ohci] Any other ideas are very welcome. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Mar 5 17:26:30 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Secure Shell compression problem In-Reply-To: <200303051447.37534.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <200303051447.37534.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <200303051726.30004.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Wednesday 05 March 2003 02:47 pm, James Spinti wrote: > I use RH 8.0 with apt. The other day, after the sendmail security > alert, I did my normal apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade on my home > machines. > > After that I started getting the following error: > no matching comp found: client zlib server none > whenever I try to use ssh with compression (ssh -C) > > I am using openssh-3.4p1-2 and zlib-1.1.4-4, both of which are the > latest versions according to apt. The frustrating thing is that my > machine at work has the same program versions and is working fine :( > And trying to run vnc over ssh with X forwarding is painfully slow > without compression, even with a T-1 and cable modem connections. To answer my own question, for the sake of the google searches: But, I forgot that the firewall at work is also Linux and has a different zlib: zlib-1.1.3-25.6 So from home to work lands at the firewall with a different zlib, but from work to home lands at my home firewall with the same version and according to http://www.wlug.org.nz/ApplicationErrorMessages, I need to have the same version on both ends. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Mar 6 10:36:15 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need useradd script In-Reply-To: <40944.204.220.56.30.1046961886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <40944.204.220.56.30.1046961886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <57504.198.74.20.75.1046968575.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > I need to create aprox 250 users. I have tried to use some import scripts > from the net, but useradd is complaining. Does anyone have a script known > to work on redhat 7.1 7-3. Might not make any difference, but I don't know > too much about versions of useradd. one word: webmin Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Mar 5 14:47:37 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Secure Shell compression problem Message-ID: <200303051447.37534.jspinti@dartdist.com> I use RH 8.0 with apt. The other day, after the sendmail security alert, I did my normal apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade on my home machines. After that I started getting the following error: no matching comp found: client zlib server none whenever I try to use ssh with compression (ssh -C) I am using openssh-3.4p1-2 and zlib-1.1.4-4, both of which are the latest versions according to apt. The frustrating thing is that my machine at work has the same program versions and is working fine :( And trying to run vnc over ssh with X forwarding is painfully slow without compression, even with a T-1 and cable modem connections. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Mar 3 22:01:33 2003 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux blood donations In-Reply-To: <15972.5800.877141.712502@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15972.5800.877141.712502@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: rpgoldman@real-time.com writes: > Just gave blood the other day and was pleased to have as a sticker > choice a sticker saying "Be cool... be a blood donor" with a picture > of a penguin. My next appointment is next week. Maybe they'll have something like that when I go in, too. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 5 18:57:16 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php/mysql help In-Reply-To: <63562.209.98.213.140.1046910220.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <63562.209.98.213.140.1046910220.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <3672.204.183.63.142.1046912236.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > There is a user group for PHP in the Twin Cities. You can sign up for > their list by visiting Thanks for the link _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 5 09:28:18 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday Message-ID: All the fun details are available at http://beer.tclug.org --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, March 7, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Stub and Herb's 227 Oak St SE Minneapolis, MN --- snip --- Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Mar 6 14:21:47 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need useradd script In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 2003 13:44:55 CST." <200303061344.55988@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <40944.204.220.56.30.1046961886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <57504.198.74.20.75.1046968575.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <200303061344.55988@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030306202147.A36EDC199@wookimus.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > If your text file is just usernames: > > for i in `cat username.txt`; do > useradd $i > done > > This creat accounts WITHOUT passwords! Or, install pwgen(1) and add the following lines to the script: #.... useradd $i pwd=`pwgen -s` passwd -e $i $pwd cat << EONEWUSER | enscript -P $PRINTER Greetings, ${i}. Your new account has been created! Here is the pertinent information from the finger(1) program: `finger` Your new password is: $pwd You will be forced to change your password upon your first login attempt. Please contact support@domain.tld for help or call at XXX-YYY-ZZZZ. Thank you for using domain.tld for your internet services! EONEWUSER -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 5 11:09:10 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Jeffrey Bolduan wrote: > What if I can't buy beer, legally? You're still welcome to show up. I've been attending Beer Meetings since I was 19 or so. Just don't try to order alcohol. Some of us have LARTs. ;) Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Mar 5 19:32:09 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCP access w/o shell access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E66A519.2020604@sodatrain.com> > Another option I would suggest looking at is the scponly shell: > > http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/ Just had this come thru on a securityfocus list, thought others might appreciate it. I had asked in #tcgeeks a while back if one could provide people with scp access w/o giving them shell or execute command access. Im pretty dang excited about this. I dont give ftp access to my servers, so when people insist, i make them use WinSCP or something else similar. Now, its even better (presuming that winscp works wiht scponly) duncan -- Duncan Shannon Non-Profit Web hosting and design http://www.npohost.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jbolduan04 at moundsparkacademy.org Wed Mar 5 10:45:54 2003 From: jbolduan04 at moundsparkacademy.org (Jeffrey Bolduan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What if I can't buy beer, legally? On 3/5/03 9:28 AM, "Jima" wrote: > All the fun details are available at http://beer.tclug.org > > --- snip --- > A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can > get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to > anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. > > When: > Friday, March 7, 2003 > 6pm - 8pm > > Where: > Stub and Herb's > 227 Oak St SE > Minneapolis, MN > --- snip --- > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Tue Mar 4 12:26:34 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mount function In-Reply-To: <1045626534.997.19.camel@deathstar> References: <1045626534.997.19.camel@deathstar> Message-ID: <3E64EFDA.20802@netzero.net> Look for the umask option for fat. the permissions are, _I believe_ octal. Charles Hendrie wrote: > Hi, > > I have recently installed Red Hat 8.0 and have begun to use it as my > desktop operating system. My question has to do with mounting a fat 32 > partition on the same hard drive as Red Hat. Once I login, I su to root > and mount the fat 32 partition. Once the partition is mounted, I am able > to read and write files on the mounted partition as root, but only read > files as the user I have logged in as. A listing of the permissions of a > random file on the mounted partition look like this. > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 101 Dec 7 17:13 dvds.txt > > This seems to make sense to me because the partition was mounted as > root. What I would like to do is mount the partition so any user can > access the files on the fat 32 partition. After reading the man pages > for mount I have not been able to determine if this is possible. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks - Chad > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 4 20:40:40 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian kde 3.1 In-Reply-To: <3E655D90.40708@gac.edu> References: <3E5BEE1B.9090604@gac.edu> <200302251645.45095.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3E655D90.40708@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303042040.40531.tanner@real-time.com> On Tuesday 04 March 2003 08:14 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > How would I use redhat apt to get, say, mozilla updates? http://freshrpms.net/apt/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Mar 7 07:56:00 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1047045360.23825.0.camel@friday.internal.dsl> Its not an answer to your question, but keep in mind that VNC also requires port 5900+display to work. The 5800+display port is only the applet viewer. Jay On Thu, 2003-03-06 at 23:54, Justin Haaheim wrote: > I'm trying to set up my firewall to allow incoming connections on port > 5801 (remote desktop stuff). In red hat 8, i've tried using the > "security" utility, but when I go to save and exit, it doesn't save the > information. I'll go back into the utility and it will all be reset. > Is there a file I can edit to change this information, or a better way > to go about this (or does anybody know if there's a fix for this bug)? > > thanks > justin > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Mar 7 13:02:51 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Certificate Authority? In-Reply-To: <42668.198.74.20.77.1047056020.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <42668.198.74.20.77.1047056020.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20030307190251.GC30239@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 10:53:40AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > My (self-signed) SSL cert just expired and i was googling for a > "commercial" cert. > > first site i hit (thawte) wanted $350 for an Apache cert which got me > thinking... why not a TCLUG-CA? > > A Certificate Authority is all about trust. Why not setup our own circle > of trust? You might be interested in www.cacert.org, it's run by 'evilbunny' on OPN, he's also the guy who runs www.nodedb.org (Wireless stuff) > Munir Nassar > RedConceps.NET -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From foeclan at visi.com Fri Mar 7 11:35:29 2003 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead Dell In-Reply-To: <3E68D15C.9060000@cleosci.com> Message-ID: It's not so much 'shooting his computer' as 'firing a weapon in a public place'. There're lots of reckless endangerment laws around. Of course, since he warned everyone that he was going to do it, and even to cover their ears, I wouldn't be too surprised if the charges are dropped. That said, it's still stupid to unload a few bullets into a computer in a public place where Bad Things could happen to bystanders just because you're pissed off at it. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, gkrueger wrote: > I don't mind the fact that he "executed" his Dell laptop, I mind the > fact that we are so wacked as a society, that this guy is in jail for > shooting his computer. We need to get a grip on reality! > > > B_o_B wrote: > > >Thursday, March 6, 2003 @ 5:02:48 PM Central Standard Time > > > >I thought the group might like this one. > > > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/29617.html > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 8 19:10:13 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1995.192.1.1.15.1047172213.squirrel@dccmn.com> The VNC folk do say their connections are NOT secure and should not be used on an open network. > On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: >> Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's >> all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server >> that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I >> can run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with >> java. > > Then anyone with a web browser can do the same thing. > > Does this mini http server encrypt the link? If not, anyone on the path > to your boxcan easily snoop your username and password. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 8 10:28:39 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's > all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server > that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I can > run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with java. Then anyone with a web browser can do the same thing. Does this mini http server encrypt the link? If not, anyone on the path to your boxcan easily snoop your username and password. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Sat Mar 8 12:54:02 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3E6A3C4A.6070403@gac.edu> Thanks to all for your input on this. how would someone go about 'snooping' my password? Is this just a matter of catching the input on the local machine that I'm logging in from, or would it be intercepting information on the port on which I'm connecting to my computer, or something else? Bob Tanner wrote: > On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > >>Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's >>all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server >>that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I can >>run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with java. > > > Then anyone with a web browser can do the same thing. > > Does this mini http server encrypt the link? If not, anyone on the path to > your boxcan easily snoop your username and password. > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Tue Mar 11 13:15:30 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro Message-ID: Nah, just a sign that you're of the right mind. Now I will type another line or two so that this response isn't just a one-liner. There, that should do it. >>> kent@structural-wood.com 03/11/03 08:02AM >>> (It's kind of scary when you can't remember what year something happened, but you can remember a kernel version...) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Sun Mar 9 08:11:06 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jsdk In-Reply-To: <3E6A5A68.2000309@gac.edu> References: <3E6A5A68.2000309@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1047219065.1867.10.camel@orlando> This might or might not be useful info for you but I have a couple different Java VMs on my machine so I created various scripts to add the path to the java.class to my PATH - setsunclasspath...set ibmclasspath...setoracleclasspath... which I call from my programs and scripts. That way they're temporary. The thing to remember is that you have to run the scripts by typing a period then a space and then the script name. Like this: . setsunclasspath That's what tells the script to run in the current context of where it's running from rather than in a new environment. Brady > I downloaded and installed the j2sdk (1.4.1). I'm wondering what needs > to be done next to get java fully set up. > > Either the java bin directory needs to be on the system path, or I need > to set up links to java and javac in /usr/bin (or something). Is either > way better? (and what file would I edit to have the java directory > permanantly be part of the system path (for all users)) > > Secondly, all the files (including java and javac) in the java/bin > folder are shell scripts. I would've thought they would be binaries. > As it is, some makefiles I have can't access java because it would need > to be ./java. Maybe I'm missing something. How have others of you > configured the jsdk on your machine? > > thanks > justin > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Brady Hegberg _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Mar 11 07:33:09 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <1047388732.1800.5.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: On 11 Mar 2003, Dave Sherman wrote: > As to your telnet question, several services run under the blanket of > inetd (in RedHat 8 they have changed to xinetd, which is both more > powerful and flexible). xinetd is configured through its files in /etc, > with one master file (with just a few default rules) xinetd.conf, plus a > whole directory of additional specific files in /etc/xinetd.d/, one file > per service. If you want to find telnet, look in /etc/xinetd.d/ for a > file called telnet. Actually, RedHat switched to xinetd back in 7.0. I can only hope that was a typo. :) Also, chkconfig can be used to enable/disable xinetd services, too: # chkconfig telnet on You don't need (get) to specify a runlevel, as it'll apply to any runlevels xinetd is activated in. Jima P.S.: `ntsysv` is a nice feature, but it only applies the changes to the current runlevel. If you change runlevels, the services you shut off before will pop back up. Bad mojo. Use `chkconfig` instead. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hodgson at humnet.ucla.edu Sun Mar 9 00:31:22 2003 From: hodgson at humnet.ucla.edu (peter hodgson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mouse in links Message-ID: <200303090631.h296VMn1000907@ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com> how can i get my wheelmouse to 'copy', or 'paste' in links? os's: gentoo, suse8.0 links versions: 2.1pre3, 0.96 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 4 09:58:43 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Default user password (Still not solved!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303040958.43372.tanner@real-time.com> On Tuesday 04 March 2003 08:29 am, Siems, Gregory wrote: > How about: > > useradd ... username > echo my_spiffy_password | passwd --stdin username look at autopasswd part of the expect package. Look at expect in general, great tool. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Mar 7 11:05:32 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead Dell References: <16915097430.20030306170615@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <3E68D15C.9060000@cleosci.com> I don't mind the fact that he "executed" his Dell laptop, I mind the fact that we are so wacked as a society, that this guy is in jail for shooting his computer. We need to get a grip on reality! B_o_B wrote: >Thursday, March 6, 2003 @ 5:02:48 PM Central Standard Time > >I thought the group might like this one. > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/29617.html > > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From John.Miller at Rbcdain.com Fri Mar 7 08:51:06 2003 From: John.Miller at Rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tried to search archives got this message Message-ID: <9F8D2833932A0449B4AFC7B981E1E977A74DAB@MAILMP3.corp.isib.net> Warning: Access denied for user: 'udm@archives.real-time.com' (Using password: YES) in /home/mailman/archives.real-time.com/html/tclug-list/db_func.inc on line 93 Cannot connect to mysql host paladin.real-time.com as user udm John Miller _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Mar 14 11:38:39 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get for redhat8 Message-ID: How difficult is it to apt-ify a mirror? >>> jima@beer.tclug.org 03/14/03 11:02AM >>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 lxy@cloudnet.com wrote: > I am curious what people add as well. I just use the default from freshrpms, > but I think Real Time has an apt-ified mirror. What do we need to add to > sources.list to poll form there? http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/downloads/sources.list Personally, I tend to use freshrpms, and my own apt repository. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Sat Mar 15 13:52:35 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Just curious Message-ID: <200303151352.35464.peter-clark@bethel.edu> I just bought a USB CF reader on Ebay, plugged it in to the USB port, and made several false attempts at mounting it until I discovered that it was under /dev/sdc1. Ok, no problem, everything works fine. My question, however, is how devices are parceled out in Linux. For example, my USB flash hard drive is always under /dev/sda1. Since it wasn't plugged in at the time, I had assumed that the CF reader would also be the same. I've tried mounting it twice, and both times it always ends up under /dev/sdc1. As I said before, I have no problem with that, but I am curious to know _why_ it is so. :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Mar 19 16:18:55 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dhcp woes Message-ID: Ray, Let's see a scrubbed config file. Troy >>> admin@lctn.org 03/19/03 04:25PM >>> I had a Terminal server go down today that was doing dhcp. It caused quite a ruckus. I decided to use my redhat 7.3 server instead (ISC DHCPd version 2). I administered it through webmin. I am having problems with some win98 clients only getting partial info. They get the IP and subnet, but no dns and gateway. Secondly, I used "client_options" to hard set the gateway , and add alternative dns servers, but it will not dish this stuff out. users just get the default IP of the server. Many workstations are working fine despite the problems of a few , but I cannot figure out what has gone wrong, since everything was roses before the crash. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Mar 19 16:55:04 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dhcp woes Message-ID: I think it is just /etc/dhcpd.conf but my dsl is up and down and I can't get to my own dhcp box right now. :-( >>> admin@lctn.org 03/19/03 04:54PM >>> > Ray, > > Let's see a scrubbed config file. > I have never looked at dhcp on my box, so outside of webmin I don't know what files are involved. Can you let me know what I should send? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nolanjm at juno.com Mon Mar 17 12:16:23 2003 From: nolanjm at juno.com (nolanjm@juno.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2613 - 7 msgs Message-ID: <20030317.121628.-3784333.1.nolanjm@juno.com> I still have running linux 3rd edition by oreilly, if anyone wants if for postage or pick it up free .e-mail me off list. Jerry Nolan KA0PFZ ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Sat Mar 15 00:15:25 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remapping keyboard layouts Message-ID: <200303150015.25437.peter-clark@bethel.edu> A friend of mine wants to modify an X keyboard layout so that he can input IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) characters in UTF-8. Modifying a layout isn't the problem--I modified the ru layout to something more mnemonic for a qwerty keyboard. The hexidecimal value for a given Unicode value we can lookup on the web. However, we are less certain about how to instruct X to use that hexidecimal value to display the character. For instance, a "hooked-h" (representing a breathy-voiced glottal fricative, if you care to know) has a hex value of 0266. How can we bind that to the "h" key? TIA, :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kiler0n at ags-us.com Mon Mar 17 08:28:27 2003 From: kiler0n at ags-us.com (Tony Kelleran) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] All patch panels created equal? Message-ID: Tom. You can't lose with a Leviton. Solidly built and haven't failed me yet. There seems to be some good hits out on Ebay for it as well. .02 Tim Wilson To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent by: cc: tclug-list-admin@m Subject: [TCLUG] All patch panels created equal? n-linux.org 03/16/2003 10:48 PM Please respond to tclug-list ... I suspect not. I need to get a 48-port patch panel that supports Cat 5E. Are there some particular brands I should either seek or avoid as I browse eBay? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kiler0n at ags-us.com Wed Mar 19 13:56:37 2003 From: kiler0n at ags-us.com (Tony Kelleran) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions Message-ID: Welcome to Linux! Oh so many flavors of Linux to pick from. A good place to start in my humble opinion would be Red Hat 8.0. Are you looking to build a new computer yourself or buy one from a manufacturer? If you don't mind a no brand name PC, might I suggest General Nanosystems (http://www.nanosys1.com). They have some fairly good values for complete systems. Otherwise, if you are looking to build it from scratch I like the following websites for parts: New Egg - http://www.newegg.com GameVE - http://www.gameve.com PriceWatch - http://www.pricewatch.com, is always a great place to shop for the cheapest prices. However, I find that the sites that have the cheapest prices may not be the most reliable or secure with your personal information. .02 "cxobert" e.net> cc: Sent by: Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions tclug-list-admin@m n-linux.org 03/19/2003 01:35 PM Please respond to tclug-list Hi. I am new to this list, and new to Linux. I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what it's like. I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use feedback from experienced users. So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Charlie Obert cxobert@goldengate.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Mar 19 10:38:33 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:23 2005 Subject: Install Fest? **was** Re: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1048091913.3608.14.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 09:16, gmcdavid@attbi.com wrote: > .... has been officially (though rather quietly) released: > > http://slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 > > Glenn McDavid > mailto:gmcdavid@attbi.com > http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Red Hat and Mandrake are also within a few weeks of their next releases, along with a lot of other distros that are showing some significant activity as of late. So does this mean there [will/should] be an Install Fest coming up soon? Just thought I'd ask for those of us with tight schedules that may need a little advance warning. -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Mar 19 14:59:47 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Message-ID: I would suggest, if you're comfortable with building your own computer, doing so. It is usually better than buying a pre-built system for more than one reason. First, before you buy any hardware you can compare it to the Hardware Compatibility HOWTO: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ Second, it means you know every piece that has been put in your computer. and Third, it means you are able to go out and select good quality parts to put in instead of hoping that the manufacturer had quality instead of price in mind. I can't count how many times I've replaceed POS parts with something that is of better quality and had that fix problems I was having. For a distribution to start out with, it depends upon your background and how much you want to learn before your system is actually usable. For something that's easy to get into, I would suggest one of the newer Redhat releases. If you have previous UNIX experience and/or want to really get into the thick of things right off the bat, you may want to try something like Debian (my personal preference) Slackware, or Gentoo. I have heard very good things about all three of those selections, but also have heard that none of them are really meant for newbies. Hope I have been helpful. > I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what > distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my > machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done > some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use feedback > from experienced users. ------------- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Mar 20 14:21:05 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re New to Linux - response In-Reply-To: <001101c2eef7$69ee4170$86a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> References: <001101c2eef7$69ee4170$86a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Message-ID: <1048191664.21920.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> FYI: Hardware modems are always better but I got the cheap winmodem that GN sells (~$10) and it (or the chipset anyway) has a downloadable Linux driver. It's not zippy but it wasn't hard to install and it's pretty dependable. Brady > Re the machine - I called General Nanosystems and talked to one of their > techies who was very helpful on the hardware compatibility issue. As far > as I can tell, provided I go with a hardware modem (he recommended US > Robotics) and not a winmodem I should be okay with installing Linux on a > system they build for me. (My last two PCs were from General Nanosystems > and I like them a lot.) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Mon Mar 17 19:37:13 2003 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] All patch panels created equal? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, we've had no problems with Leviton patch panels at work, but the cheap trendnet patch panel I got for home from General Nanosystems also works just fine. Jeff On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > > ... I suspect not. > > > > I need to get a 48-port patch panel that supports Cat 5E. Are there > > some particular brands I should either seek or avoid as I browse eBay? > > I've had great luck with Leviton gear. > > I actually haven't had any problems with el-cheapo patch panels, either.. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Wed Mar 19 15:26:20 2003 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Message-ID: <3E78E07C.1000103@stonel.com> If you're looking for an inexpensive unit to play with, might try www.walmart.com. Units start at $199, no monitor. Options are no OS, or Lycoris, Mandrake or Lindows preloaded. I'm partial to Mandrake myself. If you get a preload, should avoid missing driver problems to start with - until you update OS. If buying locally, bring along a Knoppix CD to the store to see if hardware is supported. http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html Bob cxobert wrote: >Hi. > >I am new to this list, and new to Linux. > >I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd >just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what it's >like. > >I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what >distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my >machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done >some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use feedback >from experienced users. > >So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? > >Thanks in advance. > >Cheers, > >Charlie Obert >cxobert@goldengate.net > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Thu Mar 20 13:16:55 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman-2.1 stable? In-Reply-To: <200303201301.46628@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200303191226.32024@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <0f5201c2eea6$1cb63440$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200303201301.46628@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030320191655.GA57349@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Mar 20, 2003), Bob Tanner was madly tapping out: > On Thursday 20 March 2003 12:01 am, David Phillips wrote: > > I don't have much experience with mailman, but here is my take on > > mailing list managers: ezmlm is the best mailing list manager > > available. It is very powerful, easy to use, fast, stable, > > reliable and secure. You can setup a mailing list with a single > > command. ezmlm is used to run some very large lists, including > > the PHP and MySQL mailing list. > > Last time I looked ezmlm interface was terrible for non-techincal > users. funny - so you're worried about the interface for non-technical users, (of which linux is starting, or arguably has been, to attract) yet you're trolling in another post that everything is documented in the open source world by looking at the source code. cute... to unsubscribe from this list - please read the source for ezmlm. you mean that isn't reasonable? -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Wed Mar 19 14:49:01 2003 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server SSL Authority In-Reply-To: <20030319145458.GA8321@fandre.com> References: <20030319145458.GA8321@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3E78D7BD.1030307@bitstream.net> Clay Fandre wrote: >(I think this has been discussed before, but can't seem to get to the >archives yet...) > >I've only used Verisign for my SSL server certs. Any other of those companies >worth the cost savings? How about instantssl.com? They say they are >99% compatiable with all browsers. Anyone use them? With >Apache/Mod_ssl? > > I've used Thawte before and haven't had any problems. I thought (no pun intended) I remember seeing that they were bought by Verisign a while back. Their certs are a little cheaper than Verisign's ($199 vs $349), and I'm pretty sure they're supported in all the major browsers (and probably most minor ones). I haven't used any of the other guys. --Chad _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From myok at ogzr.org Wed Mar 19 16:54:31 2003 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dhcp woes In-Reply-To: <2810.204.220.56.9.1048114447.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <2810.204.220.56.9.1048114447.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1048114471.1570.5.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 16:54, Raymond Norton wrote: > > Ray, > > > > Let's see a scrubbed config file. > > > I have never looked at dhcp on my box, so outside of webmin I don't know > what files are involved. Can you let me know what I should send? The master file is /etc/dhcpd.conf. Should be formatted similar to this: subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 192.168.1.50 192.168.1.126; option routers 192.168.1.1; option domain-name "notmynetwork.net"; option domain-name-servers 19.224.58.19, 24.127.58.91; } -- Carl Patten _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From myok at ogzr.org Wed Mar 19 17:33:06 2003 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dhcp woes In-Reply-To: <2998.204.220.56.9.1048115886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <2998.204.220.56.9.1048115886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1048116786.1569.15.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 17:18, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I think it is just > > > > /etc/dhcpd.conf > > > > > Option domain-name-servers 172.21.1.1, 206.9.112.100 > option routers 172.21.0.1 > subnet 172.21.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 { > range 172.21.1.20, 172.21.1.354; > } > > > > None of the workstations will show the second dns. For testing I made it > the only dns, but it still came back with the default stuff. A few suggestions,assuming they're not just typos: - add semi-colons to the ends of the option lines. - make the first "Option" all lower-case. - the range line probably should end in 254 and not 354. -- Carl Patten _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Mar 14 09:28:48 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (lxy@cloudnet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Motorola iM1100 in linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1047655728.3e71f53018018@webmail.cloudnet.com> Quoting Nate Carlson : > Ah, so you're actually going to purchase them before you have a chance to > test them out? Our plan is to deploy them on doze. I don't think doze is a suitable OS for the project, since the machines will just be shut down unexpectantly. I have a much better plan that includes replacing the hard drive with a CF card and a read-only filesystem so it's more of an on/off appliance type thing rather than a PC. It'll be doing all its work in Citrix via the wireless modem, so it sounds like something that linux can handle perfectly. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Mar 19 10:28:20 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server SSL Authority References: <20030319145458.GA8321@fandre.com> Message-ID: <002c01c2ee34$8d9ef470$0201a8c0@brinstar> Clay Fandre writes: > I've only used Verisign for my SSL server certs. Any other of those > companies worth the cost savings? How about instantssl.com? They say > they are 99% compatiable with all browsers. Anyone use them? With > Apache/Mod_ssl? They don't claim to be trusted by IE 4, but if that doesn't bother you, try them out and see. If you don't want to risk it, then go with GeoTrust (Equifax). They are significantly cheaper than VeriSign. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 19 16:25:34 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dhcp woes Message-ID: <2793.204.220.56.9.1048112734.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I had a Terminal server go down today that was doing dhcp. It caused quite a ruckus. I decided to use my redhat 7.3 server instead (ISC DHCPd version 2). I administered it through webmin. I am having problems with some win98 clients only getting partial info. They get the IP and subnet, but no dns and gateway. Secondly, I used "client_options" to hard set the gateway , and add alternative dns servers, but it will not dish this stuff out. users just get the default IP of the server. Many workstations are working fine despite the problems of a few , but I cannot figure out what has gone wrong, since everything was roses before the crash. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Mar 18 04:17:01 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] upgrading php with rpms References: <63936.209.98.213.140.1047865511.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <001801c2ec2d$814e21e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <019c01c2ed37$84b2a6c0$050710ac@DELL2> I am running redhat 7.1 with php-4.0.x. I need to upgrade to php-4.2.x. I get a list of about 18 missing deps. What would be the best way to upgrade without causing other problems for my server. I'm not sure which deps or conflicts are an issue for other programs on the server. Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Phillips" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Webalizer Master Stats > Mark Courtney writes: > > I've got each virtual domain's stats working alright and I've created > > a CustomLog for each virtual that goes into a master request log for > > all the domains. The problem is that Webalizer is using url's > > relative to / for the stats, so everything that goes into the master > > request log seems like it's from the same domain. > > You need a way to separate each virtual domain in the logs. Logging to a > single file is best for performance, so you should keep it that way. What > you want to do is prepend the hostname to each entry in the log file. > > To do this with Apache, copy the "combined" LogFormat directive and name it > vcombined. Add "%V " to the front the log format and set "UseCanonicalName" > to "no". Then set your CustomLog lines to use the "vcombined" format. > > When you want to generate stats, you split the log files out by hostname. > I've attached a program called logsplit to do this. It outputs separate > files for each hostname. Pipe your log file into it. Then process the log > file for each hostname separately. See question 17 of the Webalizer FAQ for > more info. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dndalitz at earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 08:02:55 2003 From: dndalitz at earthlink.net (Dave Alitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat References: <000c01c2e7ce$3f6e7d00$0300a8c0@master><1047388732.1800.5.camel@dedannshae> <001701c2e890$ac431f90$0300a8c0@master> <1047475404.2414.5.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <003b01c2e8a0$1511ba90$6001a8c0@eagan.powersys.com> I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but telnet isn't a particularly secure service. If your not on a private network that you trust completely, it's not a good idea. It sends all communication in plain text, including the user login. ssh is a more secure replacement for telnet that encrypts network communication. openssh is included in RedHat. It too runs under xinetd. Dave Alitz _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Mar 19 12:48:09 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best distro install for old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM In-Reply-To: <36823.63.137.56.228.1048097568.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <3E7206BC.7030001@gac.edu> <20030314180901.A5825@gordo.space.umn.edu> <36823.63.137.56.228.1048097568.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <200303191248.09114.list@slushpupie.com> On Wednesday 19 March 2003 12:12 pm, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > I disagree. I had a P90/32Mb/512Mb running RH7.3 for several years as my > gateway/firewall/webserver/mail server. PHP was pretty pokey because of > the lack of memory, but everything else was pretty good. Redhat7.3 was released in May of 2002- so its less than a year old. I know many people who considered it simply an "add on" to 7.2- mostly giving it bloat with new features like the most recent version of KDE, etc. > Red Hat has several pre-defined packages (Server, workstation, etc.) that > plug a whole lot of packages into your machine that you don't really need. > Try the custom configuration and include just the required packages. Sometimes the easiest way to do this is to start with a custom install of nothing: unselect all but the required packages and the few packages you know ahead of time you will need (ssh, etc). Then only add packages as you discover you need them. This is true for any distro. It works so well with Debian because thats how the installer works- same mentality. But it will work with pretty much any distro. > You will probably want to keep X11 (aka XFree) and the desktop stuff off > as these chew up a lot of memory and disk. > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 05:36:43PM -0600, Mark wrote: > >> What would be the best, current and easiest Linux distribution to use > >> (including X Windows) on an old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM? > > > > Debian. Recent versions of Red Hat, Mandrake, etc. will be hard > > to squeeze into those constraints. With Debian you can start > > from a base system and work up from there. You should be able to > > fit X and a simple window manager (WindowMaker, IceWM, FVWM) > > in under those constraints. I use a laptop with only little bit > > more power than what you mention. If you have another machine to play with, try installing a bunch of different window manages and see which ones you like best that take up little memory. They all function a little differently, and with 512Mb of disk space, you cant afford to play around too much on it. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 19 16:52:20 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro In-Reply-To: <44961.63.137.56.228.1048101614.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <3E6D555E.7070902@gac.edu> <44961.63.137.56.228.1048101614.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20030319225220.GX32189@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 01:20:14PM -0600, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > > Actually, I've been looking to write an OpenSource replacement of Ghost > using a diskette or CD based Distro. Boot Linux, format (either FAT or > Ext[23]), write a boot record and load the hard drive with your system > image from a CD or over the network. Even do multi-cast. We've got a > rack of 1-up PC's here that we use to test with. Kind of neat loading 40 > PCs with one download... You might want to look into the 'emcast' tools, looks like you can basicly do the whole netcat ghost thing, except via multicast. very nifty =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 12 14:05:19 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick off topic squid question Message-ID: <33398.204.220.56.4.1047499519.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I'm not finding this on the squid site. I need to import 200+ users into my squidpass file /etc/squid/squidpass. I want to set the password to "password". Once done I have chpasswd.cgi set up for users to change their password. any ideas how to get this done? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gmcdavid at attbi.com Fri Mar 14 18:29:53 2003 From: gmcdavid at attbi.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best distro install for old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM In-Reply-To: <20030314233340.ECCD1813D@corb.mc.mpls.visi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Mark wrote: > What would be the best, current and easiest Linux distribution to use > (including X Windows) on an old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM? > > I do not want to upgrade the hardware in any way and would like to get some > useable speed out of it for a workstation. Not sure about the best, but I think you could do this with Slackware. I had Slack 8.0 running on a 486/100 with 36 MB RAM. X was OK using Blackbox as a window manager. You would want to be a little bit careful about which packages you install, but I think you could get enough to be useful on that hard drive. Glenn McDavid gmcdavid@attbi.com gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 19 16:54:07 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dhcp woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2810.204.220.56.9.1048114447.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > Ray, > > Let's see a scrubbed config file. > I have never looked at dhcp on my box, so outside of webmin I don't know what files are involved. Can you let me know what I should send? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 12 23:27:56 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <200303111552.25129@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3853.204.220.62.130.1047413980.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <200303111552.25129@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030313052755.GD32189@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 03:52:25PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Really? > > What version of SpamAssassin are you running? > > What do you have the spam hit set to, that posts from the list are counted as > spam? > > Incoming posts are scanned via SpamAssassin 2.50 with a weight of 7 for spam, > and I've found no legit posts (yet) that have been flagged as spam. > That's because you're scanning before the footer is added: 20_ratware.cf:header RATWARE_GROUPMAIL ALL =~ /Group Mail/ 20_ratware.cf:describe RATWARE_GROUPMAIL Bulk email software fingerprint (Group Mail) found in headers 50_scores.cf:score RATWARE_GROUPMAIL 2.900 "Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List" ^^^^^^^^^^ I emailed the spamassassin guys, they didn't reply, a small change in the footer (such as an extra space) would fix it. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 19 17:18:06 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dhcp woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2998.204.220.56.9.1048115886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > I think it is just > > /etc/dhcpd.conf > Option domain-name-servers 172.21.1.1, 206.9.112.100 option routers 172.21.0.1 subnet 172.21.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 { range 172.21.1.20, 172.21.1.354; } None of the workstations will show the second dns. For testing I made it the only dns, but it still came back with the default stuff. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Mar 19 17:36:42 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dhcp woes In-Reply-To: <2998.204.220.56.9.1048115886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <2998.204.220.56.9.1048115886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <200303191736.42222.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Wednesday 19 March 2003 05:18 pm, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I think it is just > > > > /etc/dhcpd.conf Option domain-name-servers 172.21.1.1, 206.9.112.100 <-- missing ; and should be inside { option routers 172.21.0.1 <-- missing ; and should be inside { subnet 172.21.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 { <--this should be first line in file range 172.21.1.20, 172.21.1.354; } > > None of the workstations will show the second dns. For testing I made it > the only dns, but it still came back with the default stuff. > Here is my scrubbed relevant lines (I am running dhcp-3.0pl1-15 on RH 8.0): ddns-update-style interim; ignore client-updates; subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { # --- default gateway option routers 192.168.1.254; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option nis-domain "xxxxx"; option domain-name "xxxxx"; option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.254; default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 43200; } -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Thu Mar 20 11:27:03 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mirrors.kernel.org Message-ID: <20030320172703.GA26902@real-time.com> Anyone know what's up with mirrors.kernel.org? It's been down all week :( -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030320/55fdccc2/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 7 13:03:20 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Certificate Authority? In-Reply-To: <42668.198.74.20.77.1047056020.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <42668.198.74.20.77.1047056020.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <200303071303.20119@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 07 March 2003 10:53 am, Munir Nassar wrote: > My (self-signed) SSL cert just expired and i was googling for a > "commercial" cert. > > first site i hit (thawte) wanted $350 for an Apache cert which got me > thinking... why not a TCLUG-CA? > > A Certificate Authority is all about trust. Why not setup our own circle > of trust? Cuz I don't trust you! Well, you and poptix! Both too young to be trusted! :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 07:18:44 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <000c01c2e7ce$3f6e7d00$0300a8c0@master> References: <000c01c2e7ce$3f6e7d00$0300a8c0@master> Message-ID: <1047388732.1800.5.camel@dedannshae> On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 07:00, Mike Partyka wrote: > Hello, > > Was wondering if anyone could answer a question that I have had for some time now. > > In redhat your run level appropriate start scripts > (rc.0, rc.1,rc.3,etc) are located in /etc/rc.d/rc.x, where x is your run-level. On my fairly bare-bone redhat installation, there are only about 18 start scripts in rc.3, but i am sure there are other daemons/services running, than are listed in this directory. I have checked my rc.local but are there other places i can check and if necessary stop certain daemons/services i don't want/need running? > > One more ?, looking in my /etc/services, almost nothign is pounded out, but yet telnet for example doesn't answer, where ultimately are these services turned on/off? First of all, there is a command-line front-end to the startup scripts called 'chkconfig'. 'chkconfig --list' will show all configured services on your machine, and their status as to whether they are to automatically launch at boot or not, and also which runlevels they are to run under. You can just enter 'chkconfig' to get a listing of available options, but it is able to add new services, change the current runlevel config of existing services, and also delete existing services. As to your telnet question, several services run under the blanket of inetd (in RedHat 8 they have changed to xinetd, which is both more powerful and flexible). xinetd is configured through its files in /etc, with one master file (with just a few default rules) xinetd.conf, plus a whole directory of additional specific files in /etc/xinetd.d/, one file per service. If you want to find telnet, look in /etc/xinetd.d/ for a file called telnet. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "If we wanted you to understand it, we wouldn't call it code." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 8 18:07:26 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache configuration In-Reply-To: <3E693B85.2040109@gac.edu> References: <3E693B85.2040109@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1953.192.1.1.15.1047168446.squirrel@dccmn.com> There are several ways to solve this: 1) Add additional alias or VirtualHost statements to your /etc/httpd/conf file or conf.d directory. This would allow you to graft a branch of web pages into your web server tree. This is how Redhat is configuring their stuff in 8.0. 2) Add a link in your /var/www/html directory to someplace you do have write access to. 3) Use the public_html directory in your home directory. This equates to the ~username extension of your URL. (ie www.foobar.com/~joeuser goes to /home/joeuser/public_html for web pages). This needs to be enabled in your httpd config. Remember that any html files need to be readable by the httpd user (apache ot httpd). If all else fails, make them publically readable. I've not gone into detail of any of these, so if you need better instructions drop a note. > Thanks for your reply. I'm not quite clear with what I need to do, > though. > > First of all, if I do this, won't I need to keep doing this everytime I > add a file to this directory structure? It seems like there would be an > easier way. If this is, indeed, the easiest way, could you outline > again who owns what. > > Secondly, I don't seem to have an adduser command. > > thanks > justin > > > Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: >> ls -l /var/www | grep html >> >> Usually it has owner and group permissions. chmod 775 /var/www/html && >> adduser yourusername groupname >> >> where groupname is the name of the group that owns the directory. Once >> you log off/log on to refresh the group permissions, you should be >> good to go for the most part. Because we didn't do the chmod >> recursivly, exiting files and subfolders won't have the correct >> permissions. >> >> You'll want to use mode 664 on files and 775 on directories. You'll >> also need to make sure any files you move to this directory are owned >> by the group, not you. You can do this with the chgrp command. >> >> Probally the safest way to go about things so you don't have to muck >> with the default permissions set on the webserver and such. >> >> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org >> "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making >> a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims >> to be trying to take over the world." >> -- >> Kernel Panic: I have no root and I want to scream. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 11 07:00:53 2003 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat Message-ID: <000c01c2e7ce$3f6e7d00$0300a8c0@master> Hello, Was wondering if anyone could answer a question that I have had for some time now. In redhat your run level appropriate start scripts (rc.0, rc.1,rc.3,etc) are located in /etc/rc.d/rc.x, where x is your run-level. On my fairly bare-bone redhat installation, there are only about 18 start scripts in rc.3, but i am sure there are other daemons/services running, than are listed in this directory. I have checked my rc.local but are there other places i can check and if necessary stop certain daemons/services i don't want/need running? One more ?, looking in my /etc/services, almost nothign is pounded out, but yet telnet for example doesn't answer, where ultimately are these services turned on/off? TIA Mikey PS- I already used the "ntsysv" script to stop unecessary daemons from there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like to be able to have a copy of the current package listing for all my servers and its irritating to see the package names or version number cut off. root@rho1:cgi-bin# dpkg --list 'communicator* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-====================================-====================================-======================================================================================== ii communicator 4.77-2 Meta package that depends on other packages ii communicator-base-477 4.77-2 Communicator base support for version 4.77 un communicator-browser-477 (no description available) un communicator-nethelp-477 (no description available) ii communicator-smotif-477 4.77-2 Netscape Communicator 4.77 (static Motif) un communicator-spellchk-477 (no description available) root@rho1:cgi-bin# dpkg --list 'communicator*' > dpkg.lst root@rho1:cgi-bin# cat dpkg.lst Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ ii communicator 4.77-2 Meta package that depends on other packages ii communicator-b 4.77-2 Communicator base support for version 4.77 un communicator-b (no description available) un communicator-n (no description available) ii communicator-s 4.77-2 Netscape Communicator 4.77 (static Motif) un communicator-s (no description available) -- John Hawley BGEA/ITS Network Engineer 612.335.1334 jhawley@bgea.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried their website but not >> much popped out. > > Do you want to run it via procmail (ala small number of users)? > > OR > > Do you want to run it globally for all users? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jlouis at cheqnet.net Tue Mar 18 09:51:51 2003 From: jlouis at cheqnet.net (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> Message-ID: <007601c2ed66$4b135340$3200a8c0@linuxwerx> I haven't used it in awhile but LinNeighborhood worked great for this functionality. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Haaheim" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered > My last e-mail about this went unanswered. I'll try again. > > I'm just trying to set up windows network browsing through linux. I'm > running redhat8 and kde3.1, and I'd like to be able to browse through my > campus' worgroups and computers. I'm going for functionality similar to > windows' network neighborhood. What is available for linux? I wasn't > able to get much useful info from google. > > thanks > justin > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Mar 19 08:54:59 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server SSL Authority Message-ID: <20030319145458.GA8321@fandre.com> (I think this has been discussed before, but can't seem to get to the archives yet...) I've only used Verisign for my SSL server certs. Any other of those companies worth the cost savings? How about instantssl.com? They say they are 99% compatiable with all browsers. Anyone use them? With Apache/Mod_ssl? TIA -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Thu Mar 27 15:44:29 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure In-Reply-To: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> References: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <63413.209.98.213.140.1048801469.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> This is gonna sound really corny, but it's worked for me more times than I can count. 1. Take the drive out of the laptop. 2. Put the drive in a Ziploc bag. 3. Put the drive and the Ziploc bag in the freezer for an hour or two. 4. After the drive is good and frozen, plug it back in and get your data off the drive before it warms up. I swear it works! > Just had a laptop hard drive fail on me a couple of days ago, it just > makes the familiar tick, tick, tick sound when trying to boot. I managed > to pull some data from it before it went, but still have a lot of unbacked > up data on it. > > My guess would be the plates are fine, just the thing doesn't want to spin > anymore. > > I was wondering if anyone had feedback on what the general costs are for > data recovery services on hard drives that have failed. Also, any > recomendations on where to take it? > > -David > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Mon Mar 24 13:31:48 2003 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH Tunneling of X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E7F5D24.4050207@bitstream.net> Shawn wrote: > Typically when I want to forward X, I type in "export >DISPLAY=ip.address:0.0" and it works fine. However, I can't figure out >how to do it in the environment I'm in currently. > I ssh into a box behind a firewall (port forwarding to box on DMZ), >while I also am behind a different firewall for a different network. If I do a "who -l" I come up with: > >sfertch pts/0 Mar 24 12:29 (firewall.company.com) > >If I do a "who -u" I get: > >sfertch pts/0 Mar 24 12:29 . > > If I set my display to the address/name, then try to open up netscape >for example, > Usually when you check the x forwarding option in putty you don't have to setup your display at all, putty (or the ssh protocol) handles that for you under the covers. Did you check to see what your display was set to as soon as you logged in (ie: before you changed the DISPLAY var)? I think it should be something like machine:10.0, where machine is the hostname of the box your accessing. It's also possible that the admin on the box your trying to tunnell to has disabled X forwarding for the ssh daemon. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Thu Mar 27 14:14:28 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla mail notification In-Reply-To: <3E834823.6000802@gac.edu> References: <3E834823.6000802@gac.edu> Message-ID: <3E835BA4.4070802@netzero.net> > does anybody know about mozilla's sound-playing e-mail notification? It's supposed to play a > sound when you get new mail, but it doesn't seem to work for me. Does anybody else have that > working? Same here. Instead of playing the wave, all it does is beep. I have a feeling it might be trying to access /dev/dsp, which might be used by artsd or esd and when failed it goes to the pc speaker (speaking of which, what's the device for it?) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dndalitz at earthlink.net Tue Mar 11 12:05:41 2003 From: dndalitz at earthlink.net (Dave Alitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat References: <000c01c2e7ce$3f6e7d00$0300a8c0@master> <1047388732.1800.5.camel@dedannshae> <1047397295.24429.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <002601c2e7f8$d42d4f00$6001a8c0@eagan.powersys.com> > rpm -e telnet > > If a telnet offend thee pluck it out. I suppose that won't stop the > service but it will stop it from starting up again. That's the package for the client. The server (daemon) package is telnet-server. The contents of the RC?.d directories are usually soft links to a directory of startup scripts (in RedHat 7+ it's /etc/init.d). Generally, you can start and stop services by running the script in /etc/init.d with a command line argument of "start", "stop", "restart", and frequently "condrestart". Many also support "status" and "reload". If you run them without an argument, most will echo a usage statement that tell you the actions they recognize. Dave Alitz _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Sat Mar 8 15:02:32 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jsdk Message-ID: <3E6A5A68.2000309@gac.edu> I downloaded and installed the j2sdk (1.4.1). I'm wondering what needs to be done next to get java fully set up. Either the java bin directory needs to be on the system path, or I need to set up links to java and javac in /usr/bin (or something). Is either way better? (and what file would I edit to have the java directory permanantly be part of the system path (for all users)) Secondly, all the files (including java and javac) in the java/bin folder are shell scripts. I would've thought they would be binaries. As it is, some makefiles I have can't access java because it would need to be ./java. Maybe I'm missing something. How have others of you configured the jsdk on your machine? thanks justin _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Mar 4 12:00:06 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail security hole In-Reply-To: References: <62780.207.109.1.73.1046713806.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20030304180006.GA9885@refried.org> On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 12:10:57PM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > Or run qmail. :) > > > > Sorry, couldn't resist.... > > ..or run Exim, so you don't have to deal with DJB's annoying attitude. If you don't read those news groups you don't have to deal with his attitude. ;) Nate _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Sun Mar 9 13:24:43 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] man links In-Reply-To: <200303090652.h296q1n1012769@ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com>; from hodgson@humnet.ucla.edu on Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 01:52:01AM -0500 References: <20021211155710.GH20588@spidey> <20021218162703.A20511@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <20030309132443.A9889@duron.turboland.com> google is your friend, and why are you using links? Links browser is somewhat unorthodox program. There are at least 2 forms of this program: a text only version(0.82) and a new graphic enabled version(2.1pre9) (it can still do text-mode) )from twibright labs. The older text-only version has some doc: http://links.sourceforge.net/docs/manual-0.90-en/ Links 2.X is a neat program thats worth a look if you are interested in no-frills lean text/graphic browser(supports framebuffer, vgalib, x). http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/links/features.html You should probably try out the more mainstream browsers: lynx for text mode, mozilla for X/Gui. Being "no-frills"(links) it does lack some things like doc and feature bloat like (drag & drop, cut & paste...). Interesting rant by developer: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/wb0/index.html On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 01:52:01AM -0500, peter hodgson wrote: > > my gentoo distro has the browser 'links' but no 'man links' page; how > do i get a man page for a given program? > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hodgson at humnet.ucla.edu Sun Mar 9 00:52:01 2003 From: hodgson at humnet.ucla.edu (peter hodgson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] man links Message-ID: <200303090652.h296q1n1012769@ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com> my gentoo distro has the browser 'links' but no 'man links' page; how do i get a man page for a given program? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Sat Mar 8 16:50:44 2003 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jsdk In-Reply-To: <3E6A5A68.2000309@gac.edu> References: <3E6A5A68.2000309@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1047163844.13807.24.camel@ix.norsemen.org> On Sat, 2003-03-08 at 15:02, Justin Haaheim wrote: > I downloaded and installed the j2sdk (1.4.1). I'm wondering what needs > to be done next to get java fully set up. > > Either the java bin directory needs to be on the system path, or I need > to set up links to java and javac in /usr/bin (or something). Is either > way better? (and what file would I edit to have the java directory > permanantly be part of the system path (for all users)) > > Secondly, all the files (including java and javac) in the java/bin > folder are shell scripts. I would've thought they would be binaries. > As it is, some makefiles I have can't access java because it would need > to be ./java. Maybe I'm missing something. How have others of you > configured the jsdk on your machine? I prefer to set up the path to the JDK within my .bash_profile The reason is that it is not unusual to have to be running different JDKs over time. If all the JDKs are parked in opt and you set it in your profile, it is a small change and a source to change JDKs. Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Sat Mar 8 13:25:30 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] path setting Message-ID: <3E6A43AA.5090108@gac.edu> If I wanted to add: /home/justin/bin to my path only when I logged in as justin, what would that script look like and where would I put it? I assume it would be something like: #!/bin/bash PATH=$PATH:/home/justin/bin export path is that right? Where would I put this file, then? thanks justin _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dndalitz at earthlink.net Tue Mar 4 06:32:18 2003 From: dndalitz at earthlink.net (D. Alitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux CAD programs In-Reply-To: <3E63910C.8070706@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <001101c2e24a$260f7640$0a02a8c0@dell> I'm not one to say whether it's good; but FWIW, I found Qcad (http://www.qcad.org/) a suitable replacement for my old triangles and T-square. It's only 2D, but the price is right. --- Dave Alitz -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik Hanson Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:30 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Linux CAD programs This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) -- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, Does anyone know of any good free Computer Aided Drafting programs that run under Linux? I am looking for a sort of general drafting program, not for a real specific purpose (like chip design or anything). Does anyone have any experience with a good one? 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Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ry4an-tclug at ry4an.org Tue Mar 11 12:09:59 2003 From: ry4an-tclug at ry4an.org (Ry4an Brase) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Key Singing Reminder Message-ID: <20030311180959.GA28042@ry4an.org> This is a final reminder for this Thursday's keysigning. If you've not yet signed up and are interested you have until Thursday at noon to get me your key info. If you've already signed up make sure you bring: - your key info - a picture id - a writing utensil to the meet Thursday, March 13th, at 7pm in the ACM room on U of MN TC East Bank campus. See http://ry4an.org/keysigning/ for more details. -- Ry4an Brase - http://ry4an.org /~\ 'If you're not a rebel when you're 20 you've got no heart; if \ / you're not establishment when you're 30 you've got no brain.' X Join the ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML email / \ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Mar 7 15:58:06 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache configuration In-Reply-To: <3E6913B0.4010807@gac.edu> Message-ID: ls -l /var/www | grep html Usually it has owner and group permissions. chmod 775 /var/www/html && adduser yourusername groupname where groupname is the name of the group that owns the directory. Once you log off/log on to refresh the group permissions, you should be good to go for the most part. Because we didn't do the chmod recursivly, exiting files and subfolders won't have the correct permissions. You'll want to use mode 664 on files and 775 on directories. You'll also need to make sure any files you move to this directory are owned by the group, not you. You can do this with the chgrp command. Probally the safest way to go about things so you don't have to muck with the default permissions set on the webserver and such. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." -- Kernel Panic: I have no root and I want to scream. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Mar 11 13:55:23 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <000c01c2e7ce$3f6e7d00$0300a8c0@master> Message-ID: Behold the power of spamassassin...guess I _could_ whitelist tclug, but some people deserve it. :) So here's your spamassassin results, so that sender has a chance to correct things if they choose to do so. 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Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." -- Kernel Panic: I have no root and I want to scream. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Sun Mar 2 03:25:02 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help with making a script Message-ID: <525225416.20030302032502@toughguy.net> Sunday, March 2, 2003 @ 1:52:30 AM Central Standard Time Hello, and a good day to you all. I have a question for you all. I am operating a Smoothwall box as my firewall/router at my house. I would like to open/forward incoming transmissions on ports 28800-29100 to a box behind the firewall. Smoothwall has a nice little web interface to config its services, but the port forwarding part of the interface only allows for one value at a time. I would need to add each port # & IP # one by one (using the web interface). I read through all the Smoothwall docs, and their was no mention of howto forward multiple ports (without having to add each value one by one). I fired a similar message to this one to this group, but did not see any response. I piped into the Smoothwall group, and fired the same question. I received two responses. The first response advised that the option I seek is available in the Smoothwall commercial version. Smoothwall would be more than happy to hook me up with that version as soon as I whip out my credit card. No Good... The 2nd response advised that I could write my own code in Perl to allow for such functions. Unfortunately, I do not know Perl at the moment. Stuck again. I tooled around the system & found the file that contains the port forwarding values. My New Question now is, can I make a script that will add all these values for me? The syntax of the file looks like: tcp,0.0.0.0/0,1214,192.168.1.100,1214,on the 0.0.0.0/0,1214 is any incoming tcp on port 1214 the 192.168.1.100,1214 is my box behind the wall #(if I have offending anyone by these past few lines, I will make sure # I am slacked for the offense to your superior intellect.) Is there a way I can make a script that would add each line to the config file for all the ports from 28800-29100 tcp,0.0.0.0/0,28800,192.168.1.100,28800 add line by line through to tcp,0.0.0.0/0,29100,192.168.1.100,29100 Any suggestions on what command or commands I could check out to accomplish this would be greatly appreciated. Thank You All & Adios, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Mar 9 17:15:29 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services as other users. References: <000001c2e650$cd0ae290$6401a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <001901c2e691$c6a69ed0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Jason Lanpher writes: > What is the best/easiest way to set up services such as tomcat to > run as a different user than root? http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/setuidgid.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sat Mar 1 19:22:32 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Default user password In-Reply-To: <20030228183308.AC4571E491@xmxpita.excite.com> References: <20030228183308.AC4571E491@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 michael.arolan@excite.com wrote: > Any takers on how to create a user from the command line and specify a > password at the same time? 1) use debian's 'adduser' utility, which asks you for a password. 2) write a wrapper script that parses the password you provide into crypt, and then use the '-p' option to useradd to use that crypt. 3) just run adduser/useradd then passwd. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Wed Mar 5 10:33:48 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cool. Message-ID: <3E6626EC.5DA8227B@ppdonline.com> For any music/linux fans out there this is pretty damn cool... http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/ Later, Ben. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 1 18:46:38 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:29 2005 Subject: Fw: Re: [TCLUG] Default user password (Still not solved!) Message-ID: <20030301.3df.94219600@rivendell> Oops. Make that useradd. forward - original mail: From "Wayne Johnson" Date 03/01/2003 - 06:39:17 pm Subject Re: [TCLUG] Default user password (Still not solved!) >If you use the adduser command, add the -p option. This, unfortunatly, requires >that the parameter be encrypted before calling adduser, with the crypt() function. >I wrote a bash script to do exactly this. It has to call perl to do some of the >dirty work. Why don't they have a command line interface for crypt. > >Download it from http://dccmn.com/mkuser > >michael.arolan@excite.com wrote: >> >> >>Thanks guys for your replies! >> >>I am actually developing a program that would dynamically create a user on the >Linux box and set the password to the password supplied by the new user. >Unfortunately, the solution you've all described requires manual intervention which >is what we are trying to get around. Do you know of any other way? The program >doing the automation is written in C and uses the system command to execute a add >user command. The actual request comes from the web! So the architecture is: >> >>Web browser -> Java servlet -> C program (via JNI) -> user created on the Linux >Box! >> >>As you can see, no manual intervention! Do you know of anyother way to set the >password dynammically? >> >>Thanks Guys >> >>Michael >> >> --- On Fri 02/28, Bob Tanner < tanner@real-time.com > wrote: >>From: Bob Tanner [mailto: tanner@real-time.com] >>To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:01:27 -0600 >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Default user password >> >>On Friday 28 February 2003 12:33 pm, wrote: >>> Hi Guys/Ladies >>> >>> Does anyone know what the default password Linux uses when you create a new >>> user from the command line? >> >>No password. >> >>Use passwd to change it. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com >>The most personalized portal on the Web! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Wayne Johnson" Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Default user password (Still not solved!) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 00:38:44 +0000 Size: 3794 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030302/6200e54d/attachment.mht From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Mon Mar 10 21:17:50 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro Message-ID: <3E6D555E.7070902@gac.edu> > What's wrong with just taking Knoppix, stripping out everything you don't > want, put in what you do want, slapping your own label on it, and calling it > golden? Klaus Knopper has done a wonderful job with all the hardware > detection and running from RAM issues, so why not build off the shoulders of > giants, rather than work from the ground up? I'm doing this as much more of a heuristic venture than anything practical. I'd like to know more about linux, and it seems like an interesting project. Also, Knoppix is pretty complicated (using compression and such); more than I'd be able to delve into without some serious mentorship. justin Peter Clark wrote: > On Monday 10 March 2003 02:50 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > >> I'm interested in creating my own Knoppix-like, minimalistic and >> initially very simple Live (to be run from a cd) linux distro. My idea >> was to use Debian as the base system. I'm more familiar with RedHat, >> but I'd imagine that there's some copyright infringement problems if I >> modify redhat and call it my own. > > > Well, it's been a couple of years since I've touched The Horror That Must Not Be Named, but last I checked, most of RH is Free software, so all you would have to do is remove anything that is under their copyright and remove all instances of "Red Hat" from any files. > >> Does anyone have any guidance or any resources you would like to provide >> me? Any pointers, websites, documentation, etc. would be useful. I'm >> specifically wondering, now, how I would configure the distro to run its >> rw memory from ram. > > > What's wrong with just taking Knoppix, stripping out everything you don't want, put in what you do want, slapping your own label on it, and calling it golden? Klaus Knopper has done a wonderful job with all the hardware detection and running from RAM issues, so why not build off the shoulders of giants, rather than work from the ground up? > :Peter > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Fri Mar 7 10:44:22 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tried to search archives got this message In-Reply-To: <9F8D2833932A0449B4AFC7B981E1E977A74DAB@MAILMP3.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: Well, I don't know about anyone else, but when I want to search the tclug archives, I just search for "tclug (whatever i want to search for)" on google. On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Miller, John wrote: > > Warning: Access denied for user: 'udm@archives.real-time.com' (Using password: YES) in /home/mailman/archives.real-time.com/html/tclug-list/db_func.inc on line 93 > Cannot connect to mysql host paladin.real-time.com as user udm > > > John Miller ------------- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 1 18:38:44 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Default user password (Still not solved!) Message-ID: <20030301.CqM.49024000@rivendell> If you use the adduser command, add the -p option. This, unfortunatly, requires that the parameter be encrypted before calling adduser, with the crypt() function. I wrote a bash script to do exactly this. It has to call perl to do some of the dirty work. Why don't they have a command line interface for crypt. Download it from http://dccmn.com/mkuser michael.arolan@excite.com wrote: > > >Thanks guys for your replies! > >I am actually developing a program that would dynamically create a user on the Linux box and set the password to the password supplied by the new user. Unfortunately, the solution you've all described requires manual intervention which is what we are trying to get around. Do you know of any other way? The program doing the automation is written in C and uses the system command to execute a add user command. The actual request comes from the web! So the architecture is: > >Web browser -> Java servlet -> C program (via JNI) -> user created on the Linux Box! > >As you can see, no manual intervention! Do you know of anyother way to set the password dynammically? > >Thanks Guys > >Michael > > --- On Fri 02/28, Bob Tanner < tanner@real-time.com > wrote: >From: Bob Tanner [mailto: tanner@real-time.com] >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:01:27 -0600 >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Default user password > >On Friday 28 February 2003 12:33 pm, wrote: >> Hi Guys/Ladies >> >> Does anyone know what the default password Linux uses when you create a new >> user from the command line? > >No password. > >Use passwd to change it. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >_______________________________________________ >Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com >The most personalized portal on the Web! > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Mar 9 22:15:01 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reminders via cron/at References: <1047267327.8209.5.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <003701c2e6bb$9f036d70$0201a8c0@brinstar> Chris Frederick writes: > Anyone here know how to set up cron or at to email a reminder to a > certain user or email address? Like every day at 4:30pm and every > Friday at 4:00pm? And witch one is better, cron or at for this? Usually, at is used to schedule a job once and cron is used for ongoing jobs. Looking at their respective man pages would help. `man 5 crontab` crontab -e 30 16 * * * echo "hello" | mail -s "4:30pm" joe@example.com 0 16 * * 5 echo "hi there" | mail -s "4:00pm friday" joe@example.com -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 1 18:27:45 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:24:56PM -0600 References: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030301182745.J31563@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Next TCLUG Meeting > > When: > March 1st, 2003, noon - 2pm My fault. Forgot to approve this message. Sorry. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 8 19:10:13 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1995.192.1.1.15.1047172213.squirrel@dccmn.com> The VNC folk do say their connections are NOT secure and should not be used on an open network. > On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: >> Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's >> all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server >> that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I >> can run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with >> java. > > Then anyone with a web browser can do the same thing. > > Does this mini http server encrypt the link? If not, anyone on the path > to your boxcan easily snoop your username and password. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Sun Mar 2 11:58:47 2003 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeffrey Bolduan writes: > I just got a PIII 450Mhz and I was wondering if this machine would be able > to run Red Hat 8.0 as a server, with a GUI of course since I have no > interest in learning all the commands for linux... Well back on topic. I > would like to run a Web Server off that box and maybe a e-mail server, would > this be stable enough and would it run well. Is there a different distro > that I should look into. Keep in mind that I do not know linux well, and > have been chained to the windows box since I was a youngn' not that I'm not > still young at the age of 17. I'm pushing about 30gig a month out of a Pentium Pro 200 dual processor. It runs at a load average of 0 most of the time (not counting the two SETI processes :-)). It also handles mail for half a dozen heavy mail-users, runs two moderately active mailing lists, and once a month mails out a 15kb newsletter to about 60,000 recipients. Your system should be more powerful than mine (and a single processor is more flexible than multiple), so you should be able to easily do everything I do. Which sounds like a LOT more than you plan to do, at least at first. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Sat Mar 8 13:21:42 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <19619533218.20030308000205@toughguy.net> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303071602.20050.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3E69395F.80604@gac.edu> <1293.192.1.1.15.1047100298.squirrel@dccmn.com> <19619533218.20030308000205@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <3E6A42C6.9080407@gac.edu> So here's what I was able to do: I went to http://www.netspace.org/ssh/ which is a java ssh client. I then connect to my host computer by running ssh -L 8080:localhost:5801 hostname then, apparently, the java ssh client is able to forward the port to my local machine, so I can open up a browser then and do: http://localhost:8080/ and it opens my vnc applet. Is this correct (and secure)? Thanks, Justin B_o_B wrote: > Saturday, March 8, 2003 @ 12:01:15 AM Central Standard Time > > wdc> Anyone know if there is a version of SSH that runs as a java script? > check it > http://www.appgate.com/mindterm/index.php > > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Mar 2 18:35:24 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internet Providers In-Reply-To: <001501c2e119$c7b735a0$0a01a8c0@GIMPBOY>; from jbolduan04@moundsparkacademy.org on Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 06:13:55PM -0600 References: <001501c2e119$c7b735a0$0a01a8c0@GIMPBOY> Message-ID: <20030302183524.A25212@thinkunix.net> http://www.visi.com/ extremely reliable! good technical support staff when you need them. Jeffrey Bolduan wrote: > Does anyone know of some very reliable ones they would recommend? I > recently found out that my mother, she means well, is paying for a DSL > connection that is 256/128 and is costing her $50 a month. DSL providers > would be best. -- scot _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From estabroo at talkware.net Tue Mar 4 08:56:04 2003 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help with making a script In-Reply-To: <525225416.20030302032502@toughguy.net> References: <525225416.20030302032502@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <3E64BE84.1070503@talkware.net> B_o_B wrote: > Sunday, March 2, 2003 @ 1:52:30 AM Central Standard Time > > Hello, and a good day to you all. I have a question for you all. > I am operating a Smoothwall box as my firewall/router at my house. > I would like to open/forward incoming transmissions on ports > 28800-29100 to a box behind the firewall. Smoothwall has a nice little web interface to config its > services, but the port forwarding part of the interface only allows for one > value at a time. I would need to add each port # & IP # one by one (using > the web interface). I read through all the Smoothwall docs, and their > was no mention of howto forward multiple ports (without having to add > each value one by one). I fired a similar message to this one to this group, but > did not see any response. I piped into the Smoothwall group, and > fired the same question. I received two responses. The first > response advised that the option I seek is available in the Smoothwall > commercial version. Smoothwall would be more than happy to hook me up with > that version as soon as I whip out my credit card. No Good... The > 2nd response advised that I could write my own code in Perl to allow > for such functions. Unfortunately, I do not know Perl at the moment. > Stuck again. I tooled around the system & found the file that > contains the port forwarding values. > > My New Question now is, can I make a script that will add all these > values for me? > > The syntax of the file looks like: > tcp,0.0.0.0/0,1214,192.168.1.100,1214,on > > the 0.0.0.0/0,1214 is any incoming tcp on port 1214 > the 192.168.1.100,1214 is my box behind the wall > #(if I have offending anyone by these past few lines, I will make sure > # I am slacked for the offense to your superior intellect.) > > Is there a way I can make a script that would add each line to the > config file for all the ports from 28800-29100 > tcp,0.0.0.0/0,28800,192.168.1.100,28800 > add line by line through to > tcp,0.0.0.0/0,29100,192.168.1.100,29100 > > Any suggestions on what command or commands I could check out to > accomplish this would be greatly appreciated. perl -e 'for($i = 28800; $i < 29101; $i++) { print "tcp,0.0.0.0/0,$i,192.168.100,$i\n";} >> name_of_file_to_append_to Eric _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sat Mar 1 19:24:09 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Default user password (Still not solved!) In-Reply-To: <20030228211601.7999E1E496@xmxpita.excite.com> References: <20030228211601.7999E1E496@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 michael.arolan@excite.com wrote: > As you can see, no manual intervention! Do you know of anyother way to > set the password dynammically? Web application adding users to the local system == bad. If you've thought this through and you really want to have a webapp add users, I'd use LDAP as a user authentication method, and have your app add the users to the LDAP database. That way, you don't have to run any shell commands at all; you should be able to do everything you need right in Java. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Mar 8 15:30:59 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <200303081032.08705@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <200303071602.20050.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3E69395F.80604@gac.edu> <200303081032.08705@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030308213059.GE30239@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 10:32:08AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > If I have to use a public lab, I put my bbc into the CD (assuming they have > one). Boot the bbc and ssh from there. Futile unless you bring your own keyboard: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/5a05/ =) > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Fri Mar 7 15:41:28 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <1047045360.23825.0.camel@friday.internal.dsl> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I can run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with java. Another question: RH8 has a little program they call "Public file server" which, when you go to http://yourip:8001/, opens a html file directory. It displays the contents of a specific public file server folder that you specify. Are there any inherent risks to this? thanks justin waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > It's probably not a good idea to open 5800 or 5900 onto the internet. > > I would suggest you install ssh/sshd. From the remote PC, you can run > putty that can be configured to open a piggyback port. > > Example, I use putty at work to connect to my RH firewall at home. At the > same time, putty listens on port 5999 on my work pc. Any connection on > that port is mirrored to port 5900 on my laptop at home behind the > firewall. > > Much safer. > > >>Its not an answer to your question, but keep in mind that VNC also >>requires port 5900+display to work. The 5800+display port is only the >>applet viewer. >> >>Jay >> >> >>On Thu, 2003-03-06 at 23:54, Justin Haaheim wrote: >> >>>I'm trying to set up my firewall to allow incoming connections on port >>> 5801 (remote desktop stuff). In red hat 8, i've tried using the >>>"security" utility, but when I go to save and exit, it doesn't save >>>the information. I'll go back into the utility and it will all be >>>reset. Is there a file I can edit to change this information, or a >>>better way to go about this (or does anybody know if there's a fix >>>for this bug)? >>> >>>thanks >>>justin >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>>Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Mar 7 11:24:13 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (lxy@cloudnet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead Dell In-Reply-To: <3E68D15C.9060000@cleosci.com> References: <16915097430.20030306170615@toughguy.net> <3E68D15C.9060000@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <1047057853.3e68d5bd7e069@webmail.cloudnet.com> Quoting gkrueger : > We need to get a grip on reality! We could start by not shooting holes in our laptops :-) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Mar 4 12:13:16 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader Message-ID: I received the exact same error last night when I tried to mount a new hard drive which I had partitioned but forgot to run 'mkfs'. Hope that helps. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org 03/04/03 11:40AM >>> Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:36:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader From: "Mark Courtney" To: Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Thanks for the input. I must be on the right track here. > Did you also try /dev/sda1 as well? Yep. # mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/smart mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too many mounted file systems _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 10 12:49:50 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services as other users. In-Reply-To: <000001c2e650$cd0ae290$6401a8c0@laptop> References: <000001c2e650$cd0ae290$6401a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <200303101249.50242@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Sunday 09 March 2003 09:30 am, Jason Lanpher wrote: > Hi everyone, > > What is the best/easiest way to set up services such as tomcat to > run as a different user than root? > > Thanks in advance, Under redhat, if you are starting tomcat via an rc script you can look in /etc/rc.d/init.d/tomcat. Look for the line that has daemon and add --user tomcat. # Start daemons. echo -n $"Starting tomcat: " daemon /tomcat --user tomcat -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Mar 5 07:45:02 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader In-Reply-To: <63350.209.98.213.140.1046802046.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <62413.209.98.213.140.1046745073.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <63350.209.98.213.140.1046802046.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <58366.198.74.20.75.1046871902.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > Thanks for the input, Jima. > > I think the problem is that the CF card is sda* and the SmartMedia card is > sdb*. I'm tryin' to use a SmartMedia card and I have no sdb* in /dev. took me a while but it finally clicked... i had this problem before, i (or rather RH) did not have "probe multiple scsi LUNs" enabled. enable it, recompile and reboot Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Mar 11 14:19:40 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3853.204.220.62.130.1047413980.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > Behold the power of spamassassin...guess I _could_ whitelist tclug, but > some people deserve it. :) So here's your spamassassin results, so that > sender has a chance to correct things if they choose to do so. I would add it to your whitelist. The majority of mail I get from this group is marked as spam. Raymond _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Tue Mar 11 14:10:45 2003 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <3853.204.220.62.130.1047413980.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <3853.204.220.62.130.1047413980.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20030311201045.GA20867@sherohman.org> On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:19:40PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > > Behold the power of spamassassin...guess I _could_ whitelist tclug, but > > some people deserve it. :) So here's your spamassassin results, so that > > sender has a chance to correct things if they choose to do so. > > I would add it to your whitelist. The majority of mail I get from this > group is marked as spam. Your message showed up here with X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 I take it you've heavily customized your SA scoring database, yes? I know I've added some new rules to mine and cranked up the scores for a few that their GA underrated, and the list still comes through loud and clear. What tests are tripped for you on most of the list's mail? -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sat Mar 8 13:33:20 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] path setting In-Reply-To: <3E6A43AA.5090108@gac.edu>; from jhaahei2@gac.edu on Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 01:25:30PM -0600 References: <3E6A43AA.5090108@gac.edu> Message-ID: <20030308133320.B21215@thinkunix.net> Justin Haaheim wrote: > If I wanted to add: > /home/justin/bin > to my path only when I logged in as justin, what would that script look > like and where would I put it? I assume it would be something like: > > #!/bin/bash > PATH=$PATH:/home/justin/bin > export path > > is that right? Where would I put this file, then? exactly, just add it to /home/justin/.bash_profile and it will be added each time you login. -- scot _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Tue Mar 11 14:11:35 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro Message-ID: Mine was more like DOS+IBM GUI -> 95 -> 98 -> RH5 (?) -> Slack 5 (?) -> 98 (couldn't figure linux out) -> 2k -> ME -> 2k (1 Hr after installing ME) -> XP (work) + Gentoo and happiness. >>> jhaahei2@gac.edu 03/11/03 01:43PM >>> I can relate, but it's in much scarrier terms. I date my dark past by Dos, 3.1, 95 (shudder), 98 (shudder), ME (cry), 2000 (sigh of relief for not having to use ME, and a shudder for still using windows), XP (one final shudder), and Redhat (and there was much rejoicing). John Hoffoss wrote: > Nah, just a sign that you're of the right mind. Now I will type another > line or two so that this response isn't just a one-liner. There, that > should do it. > > >>>>kent@structural-wood.com 03/11/03 08:02AM >>> > > > (It's kind of scary when you can't remember what year something > happened, > but you can remember a kernel version...) > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Mar 3 02:09:19 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help with making a script In-Reply-To: <525225416.20030302032502@toughguy.net> References: <525225416.20030302032502@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20030303080919.GA24813@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 03:25:02AM -0600, B_o_B wrote: [snip] > the 0.0.0.0/0,1214 is any incoming tcp on port 1214 > the 192.168.1.100,1214 is my box behind the wall > #(if I have offending anyone by these past few lines, I will make > #sure I am slacked for the offense to your superior intellect.) > I think you have enough slack already, "Bob". HAIL ERIS! > Is there a way I can make a script that would add each line > to the config file for all the ports from 28800-29100 > tcp,0.0.0.0/0,28800,192.168.1.100,28800 > add line by line through to > tcp,0.0.0.0/0,29100,192.168.1.100,29100 > One possible solution (untested): perl -le 'print"tcp,0.0.0.0/0,$_,192.168.1.100,$_"for28800..29100"'>>config Now you're on your way to becoming a mighty Perl h4x0r! -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Sun Mar 2 18:44:34 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internet Providers In-Reply-To: <20030302183524.A25212@thinkunix.net> References: <001501c2e119$c7b735a0$0a01a8c0@GIMPBOY> <20030302183524.A25212@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <3E62A572.1060605@andersonfam.org> I second that! Visi's been great. Scot Jenkins wrote: > http://www.visi.com/ > extremely reliable! good technical support staff when you need them. > > Jeffrey Bolduan wrote: > >>Does anyone know of some very reliable ones they would recommend? I >>recently found out that my mother, she means well, is paying for a DSL >>connection that is 256/128 and is costing her $50 a month. DSL providers >>would be best. > > -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jbolduan04 at moundsparkacademy.org Sun Mar 2 18:13:55 2003 From: jbolduan04 at moundsparkacademy.org (Jeffrey Bolduan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Internet Providers References: Message-ID: <001501c2e119$c7b735a0$0a01a8c0@GIMPBOY> Does anyone know of some very reliable ones they would recommend? I recently found out that my mother, she means well, is paying for a DSL connection that is 256/128 and is costing her $50 a month. DSL providers would be best. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Sun Mar 9 21:35:27 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reminders via cron/at Message-ID: <1047267327.8209.5.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Anyone here know how to set up cron or at to email a reminder to a certain user or email address? Like every day at 4:30pm and every Friday at 4:00pm? And witch one is better, cron or at for this? -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 8 15:44:51 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <3E6A3C4A.6070403@gac.edu> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <3E6A3C4A.6070403@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303081544.51337.tanner@real-time.com> On Saturday 08 March 2003 12:54 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > Thanks to all for your input on this. > > how would someone go about 'snooping' my password? Is this just a > matter of catching the input on the local machine that I'm logging in > from, or would it be intercepting information on the port on which I'm > connecting to my computer, or something else? All of the above, as well as anywhere in the middle. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Mar 3 08:27:38 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Off Topic -- Monitor needed Message-ID: <200303030827.38960.jspinti@dartdist.com> I know this is off topic, but this list is usually an excellent source for old parts, so I'll give it a try. I have an old 286 here at work that has an MDA -- yes a monochrome display adapter with printer port. I actually have an extra so that if it dies, I can replace it. Anyway, the monitor has suddenly decided to go flaky. Does anyone have an old monochrome monitor with the MDA pin outs? DEXIS isn't open yet, so I can't check with them... It is not practical to move the software to another machine, it is a label printing program and we haven't got the 5.25" disks anymore... -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 1 18:27:45 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:24:56PM -0600 References: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030301182745.J31563@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Next TCLUG Meeting > > When: > March 1st, 2003, noon - 2pm My fault. Forgot to approve this message. Sorry. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Mon Mar 3 03:50:53 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help with making a script In-Reply-To: <20030303080919.GA24813@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <525225416.20030302032502@toughguy.net> <20030303080919.GA24813@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <1589009725.20030303035053@toughguy.net> Monday, March 3, 2003 @ 2:33:16 AM Central Standard Time JJT> One possible solution (untested): JJT> perl -le 'print"tcp,0.0.0.0/0,$_,192.168.1.100,$_"for28800..29100"'>>config Thank You for the tip. I have not tested it yet, but I will check it. This afternoon & evening (prior to seeing this response, thanks again by the way) I gave myself a crash course in bash script writing. After several hours I successfully made a script that was able to do everything I wanted, except I cannot for the life of me figure out how to send the data going to the screen, to a file. Sounds stupid, but I tried using >> everywhich way possible. I read until my eyes bled & strings of code started coming out of my arse. I would like the output of this script to be written to a file named "config1". Here is the code in question: #!/bin/bash BEGINPORT=28800 ENDPORT=29100 while [ "$BEGINPORT" -lt $(($ENDPORT+1)) ] do echo "tcp,0.0.0.0/0,$BEGINPORT,192.168.1.100,$BEGINPORT,on" BEGINPORT=$(($BEGINPORT+1)) done -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It works great. I don't know where or how to properly use ">> config1" or if I need to add something else to save it to a file. I'm really close on this one, and would really appreciate anyones advice. JJT> I think you have enough slack already, "Bob". HAIL ERIS! Yes, I am a Slackware fan. I love it. Thank You All & Adios, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Mar 3 09:40:17 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help with making a script In-Reply-To: <1589009725.20030303035053@toughguy.net> References: <525225416.20030302032502@toughguy.net> <20030303080919.GA24813@mail.el-swifto.com> <1589009725.20030303035053@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20030303154017.GA1539@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 03:50:53AM -0600, B_o_B wrote: [snip] > After several hours I successfully made a script that was > able to do everything I wanted, except I cannot for the > life of me figure out how to send the data going to the > screen, to a file. Sounds stupid, but I tried using >> > everywhich way possible. If your script is in file "myscript.sh", then you can run the script with the command: bash myscript.sh and append the output to file "config1" with: bash myscript.sh >> config There are other ways, but this should work fine. You can find more gory details by looking in the "REDIRECTION" section of the man page for bash. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sat Mar 1 17:13:34 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Today's meeting Message-ID: <20030301171334.A310@thinkunix.net> I would like to thank Mick Bauer for his informative presentation on Linux Security today at the TCLUG meeting, and for his patience while we figured out how to get the lecture hall opened. I still think he should have showed us his lock picking abilities :) Thanks to Clay for getting another great speaker on a very important topic. If you missed Mick's presentation, his slides are available here: http://softpro.wiremonkeys.org/ -- scot _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 1 18:27:45 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:24:56PM -0600 References: <20030226032456.GB25054@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030301182745.J31563@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Next TCLUG Meeting > > When: > March 1st, 2003, noon - 2pm My fault. Forgot to approve this message. Sorry. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 14:38:37 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <1047414965.3804.6.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: On 11 Mar 2003, Dave Sherman wrote: > PoPToP does PPTP, but PPTP is generally regarded as less secure than > IPSec. SSH can be used to create a VPN, but as far as I know it does > not support commonly-required functions like SMB network browsing. I'd > be happy to have someone prove me wrong. I believe using sshd with pppd you could get all of that to work. I could be wrong, though. Oh, I forgot another thing on my list of VPN's supported -- you can always do IPIP tunneling in the kernel.. if you don't mind having your traffic sniffed. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Mar 11 14:26:07 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <010301c2e80c$00a2dc40$6501a8c0@tom> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Tom O'Neill wrote: > What is the best way to setup a VPN with Open Source software? I have read > about freeSwan but is there other options? Personally, I like FreeSWAN. It works pretty well, and thanks to people like Marcus Muller and our own Nate Carlson, it's not too hard to integrate Win2K/XP hosts. And contrary to poptix belief, IPsec can be fun. :) Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 14:33:31 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <010301c2e80c$00a2dc40$6501a8c0@tom> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Tom O'Neill wrote: > What is the best way to setup a VPN with Open Source software? I have > read about freeSwan but is there other options? What kind of VPN do you want? Give us more details of exactly what you'd like to do, and maybe we can answer the question. IE: "I want to connect a remote office with their own network to our own corporate network, with a Linux firewall/VPN box on each end. I'd also like to allow people on the road to access the corporate network from wherever they may be. These people have a mix of Windows and Linux laptops." There are a bunch of alternatives to FreeS/WAN (PoPToP, vpnd, L2TPd, sshd + pppd); I personally like FreeS/WAN the best, but I'm biased. :) Oh, there's also built-in IPSec (ported from KAME, IIRC) in the 2.5 kernels. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 14:36:03 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <010301c2e80c$00a2dc40$6501a8c0@tom> References: <010301c2e80c$00a2dc40$6501a8c0@tom> Message-ID: <1047414965.3804.6.camel@dedannshae> On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 14:22, Tom O'Neill wrote: > What is the best way to setup a VPN with Open Source software? I have read > about freeSwan but is there other options? > > Thanks! Are there other options? Yes. Better than FreeSwan? Probably not, if security matters to you. And since you are asking about VPN, I will assume security is an issue :-) PoPToP does PPTP, but PPTP is generally regarded as less secure than IPSec. SSH can be used to create a VPN, but as far as I know it does not support commonly-required functions like SMB network browsing. I'd be happy to have someone prove me wrong. But FreeSwan is really pretty easy to work with, once you read the docs a couple of times and make sure you understand the concepts behind an IPSec-based VPN. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "If we wanted you to understand it, we wouldn't call it code." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Mar 11 14:16:14 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro Message-ID: <49D8B50499A9D611A00D0008C7CFB47269576C@ipserver1.interplastic.com> John Hoffoss wrote: > Mine was more like DOS+IBM GUI -> 95 -> 98 -> RH5 (?) -> Slack 5 (?) > -> 98 (couldn't figure linux out) -> 2k -> ME -> 2k (1 Hr after > installing ME) -> XP (work) + Gentoo and happiness. How the hell did you get from not figuring linux out to Gentoo? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyo at dolemite.org Tue Mar 11 16:06:55 2003 From: tommyo at dolemite.org (Tom O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? References: <3E6E47D5.1000408@andersonfam.org> <4764.204.220.62.130.1047416743.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <1047416387.3804.9.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <019201c2e81a$87c53fc0$6501a8c0@tom> Wow! What a great response.. This is what I want to do.. I have a small LAN here at the office and my co-workers would like to access it remotely. Some of the users have public IP's (cable modems), Some are behind routers/firewalls on the other end(cable modems with routers), I personally have a cable modem with smoothwall at home. All of us have windows computers that want access to the fileserver at our office. We are willing to dedicate a machine on our LAN for use with VPN. Thanks for all the responses! TOM _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyo at dolemite.org Tue Mar 11 17:07:10 2003 From: tommyo at dolemite.org (Tom O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? References: Message-ID: <01b601c2e822$f267dba0$6501a8c0@tom> Is there a Open-Source Alternative so SSH Sentinel? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Best VPN? > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Tom O'Neill wrote: > > This is what I want to do.. I have a small LAN here at the office and > > my co-workers would like to access it remotely. Some of the users > > have public IP's (cable modems), Some are behind routers/firewalls on > > the other end(cable modems with routers), I personally have a cable > > modem with smoothwall at home. All of us have windows computers that > > want access to the fileserver at our office. > > > > We are willing to dedicate a machine on our LAN for use with VPN. > > Simplest way of doing that would probably be a FreeS/WAN box at the > office, and SSH Sentinel on the client side. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 15:50:31 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303111550.31046@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 11 March 2003 01:55 pm, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Behold the power of spamassassin...guess I _could_ whitelist tclug, but > some people deserve it. :) So here's your spamassassin results, so that > sender has a chance to correct things if they choose to do so. Hmm, my SA only tagged it with a 2.6 spam count. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 15:52:25 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <3853.204.220.62.130.1047413980.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <3853.204.220.62.130.1047413980.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <200303111552.25129@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 11 March 2003 02:19 pm, Raymond Norton wrote: > > Behold the power of spamassassin...guess I _could_ whitelist tclug, but > > some people deserve it. :) So here's your spamassassin results, so that > > sender has a chance to correct things if they choose to do so. > > I would add it to your whitelist. The majority of mail I get from this > group is marked as spam. Really? What version of SpamAssassin are you running? What do you have the spam hit set to, that posts from the list are counted as spam? Incoming posts are scanned via SpamAssassin 2.50 with a weight of 7 for spam, and I've found no legit posts (yet) that have been flagged as spam. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 16:20:37 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <019201c2e81a$87c53fc0$6501a8c0@tom> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Tom O'Neill wrote: > This is what I want to do.. I have a small LAN here at the office and > my co-workers would like to access it remotely. Some of the users > have public IP's (cable modems), Some are behind routers/firewalls on > the other end(cable modems with routers), I personally have a cable > modem with smoothwall at home. All of us have windows computers that > want access to the fileserver at our office. > > We are willing to dedicate a machine on our LAN for use with VPN. Simplest way of doing that would probably be a FreeS/WAN box at the office, and SSH Sentinel on the client side. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Wed Mar 19 21:53:18 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 (tclug slackware admin?) In-Reply-To: <200303191914.23315@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200303191914.23315@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1857992302.20030319215318@toughguy.net> Wednesday, March 19, 2003 @ 9:49:02 PM Central Standard Time BT> Ok, anyone willing to take over the slackware admin job on ftp.mn-linux.org? Hello All. I would be honored to take over the Slackware Admin Job for ftp.mn-linux.org I am a loyal Slack fan, and feel it is my duty to help spread the greatness of Slackware. Please e-mail me if the job is still open Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Mar 19 23:47:20 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BMG music samples References: <3E78ADB2.1030300@gac.edu> Message-ID: <0f4301c2eea4$2c85d210$0201a8c0@brinstar> Justin Haaheim writes: > Amazon lets you preview most of its cd's. Amazon bought cdnow.com and made it garbage in the process. cdnow.com used to have samples available in MPEG format. Now they only have Windows Media and Real Audio formats. Thanks to this, I will no longer buy CDs from them. (Though, I haven't bought many CDs recently. I bought most of my CDs when Napster was around, since it was easy to see which CDs were worth buying.) -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Mar 14 11:02:37 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get for redhat8 In-Reply-To: <1047660385.3e72076121625@webmail.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 lxy@cloudnet.com wrote: > I am curious what people add as well. I just use the default from freshrpms, > but I think Real Time has an apt-ified mirror. What do we need to add to > sources.list to poll form there? http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/downloads/sources.list Personally, I tend to use freshrpms, and my own apt repository. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Wed Mar 19 21:58:03 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Message-ID: <200303192158.03752.jack@jacku.com> For regulars of this list the following distribution suggestion will come as no suprise: SuSE, but if the timing works for you I'd wait about a month. SuSE 8.2 is due out April 12th. According to a recent interview on Newsforge with SuSE US honcho Holger Dyroff they've done a lot of work in the new version on making it more usefull and attractive to the home user. Including better support for "non-standard" hardware. As far as getting a system is concerned I bought a Case/MB/RAM combo from Tran last fall as an upgrade and I'm very happy with it. You can find info at www.tranmicro.com. Jack On Wednesday March 19, 2003 1:35 pm, cxobert wrote: > Hi. > > I am new to this list, and new to Linux. > > I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd > just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what it's > like. > > I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what > distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my > machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done > some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use feedback > from experienced users. > > So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > > Charlie Obert > cxobert@goldengate.net -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Mar 20 07:10:58 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dhcp woes In-Reply-To: <200303191736.42222.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <200303191736.42222.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <2894.66.103.175.10.1048165858.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> { > subnet 172.21.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 { <--this should be first line > in file Everything was working fine this morning. The only change I made was to put the subnet line on top of the config instead of at the bottom where webmin placed it. Thanks for the help Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Mar 19 12:12:48 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best distro install for old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM In-Reply-To: <20030314180901.A5825@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <3E7206BC.7030001@gac.edu> <1047660385.3e72076121625@webmail.cloudnet.com> <200303141352.49921.jspinti@dartdist.com> <20030314233340.ECCD1813D@corb.mc.mpls.visi.com> <20030314180901.A5825@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <36823.63.137.56.228.1048097568.squirrel@dccmn.com> I disagree. I had a P90/32Mb/512Mb running RH7.3 for several years as my gateway/firewall/webserver/mail server. PHP was pretty pokey because of the lack of memory, but everything else was pretty good. Red Hat has several pre-defined packages (Server, workstation, etc.) that plug a whole lot of packages into your machine that you don't really need. Try the custom configuration and include just the required packages. You will probably want to keep X11 (aka XFree) and the desktop stuff off as these chew up a lot of memory and disk. > On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 05:36:43PM -0600, Mark wrote: >> What would be the best, current and easiest Linux distribution to use >> (including X Windows) on an old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM? > > Debian. Recent versions of Red Hat, Mandrake, etc. will be hard > to squeeze into those constraints. With Debian you can start > from a base system and work up from there. You should be able to > fit X and a simple window manager (WindowMaker, IceWM, FVWM) > in under those constraints. I use a laptop with only little bit > more power than what you mention. > > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List > (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? > http://faircopyright.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Wed Mar 12 08:19:37 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file In-Reply-To: <000c01c2e85c$21646ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar>; from david@acz.org on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 11:56:31PM -0600 References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> <000c01c2e85c$21646ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030312081937.A4740@karl.iexposure.net> I like the idea of staggering the downloads somehow. You may be able to just use built in connection limits, so if more than 50 clients are downloading, the server will deny a new connection. The client will just retry next hour. So when you say phone home, you really mean phone up the internet for the connection, right? Your not setting up a bunch of modems? On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 11:56:31PM -0600, David Phillips wrote: > Duncan Shannon writes: > > is this not really that much bandwidth or IO? I guess if 200 units > > over 1 hr dl a 4 meg file, its 800 megs over an hour, thats not all > > *that* much. > > With those numbers, 2mbit should be enough. But be aware that if they all > try to download at the same time, the downloads will be slow (approximately > 1k/sec). It might be a good idea to have them randomly stagger the > requests. > > > I need to plan hardware/bandwidth wise to make sure this process works > > smoothly. Should i be looking at a dedicate box to run this? > > Currently its going on our main server which has other things like > > qmail, apache, and jabber servers running on it. > > Apache is not a great web server if you have a high number of connections. > One of the main issues with Apache is that the processes tend to get very > big when you add stuff like PHP to them. Building an application server > into a web server is poor design. A single threaded web server such as > Zeus, Boa or thttpd can handle much more traffic. > > With only a few hundred total clients (hopefully not all hitting it at the > same second), you don't need to worry about PHP performance. What you do > need to worry about is having several hundred Apache processes running while > all the clients download the file at once. An alternative would be to use > Apache for PHP and Boa or thttpd for the file downloads. > > I wrote a patch for thttpd that lets it run .php scripts natively. It runs > them using CGI, so it has to fork a process off for each PHP request. The > PHP performance is slow compared to Apache, but thttpd is much faster for > static files. If you are interested, grab the last patch from here: > > http://titan.hpcs.com/thttpd/ > > If you want use one web server for everything and feel confident that you > have a rock solid web hosting platform, then get Zeus. It will handle > whatever you can throw at it and more. Zeus is by far the best web server > available. > > You don't necessarily need a separate server, but it wouldn't hurt. Memory > is going to be your main issue if you are using Apache for everything. Your > requirements are pretty easy. If you have enough bandwidth so that > downloads are as fast as possible and have your clients randomly stagger the > connections, then Apache should work fine. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 11 17:45:16 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E6E750C.1010103@gac.edu> there are a number of ssh clients that run as java scripts. one i've used: www.netspace.org/ssh/ I know there are some open source java clients too. I hope this helps cheers justin Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Tom O'Neill wrote: > >>Is there a Open-Source Alternative so SSH Sentinel? > > > Not for Windows. :( > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Mar 20 13:48:37 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: Upgrade Samba was Re: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks fromsamba -- unanswered Message-ID: With all the talk of Samba I thought it was worth mentioning that Samba users should think about upgrading to the latest version. Here is some info from the Samba and Red Hat sites: http://us1.samba.org/samba/whatsnew/samba-2.2.8.html https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-095.html Good luck, Troy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Wed Mar 12 08:17:36 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file In-Reply-To: <000c01c2e85c$21646ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> <000c01c2e85c$21646ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030312141735.GS29067@mnsdev3> On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 11:56:31PM -0600, David Phillips wrote: > Duncan Shannon writes: > > is this not really that much bandwidth or IO? I guess if 200 units > > over 1 hr dl a 4 meg file, its 800 megs over an hour, thats not all > > *that* much. > > With those numbers, 2mbit should be enough. But be aware that if they all > try to download at the same time, the downloads will be slow (approximately > 1k/sec). It might be a good idea to have them randomly stagger the > requests. > > > I need to plan hardware/bandwidth wise to make sure this process works > > smoothly. Should i be looking at a dedicate box to run this? > > Currently its going on our main server which has other things like > > qmail, apache, and jabber servers running on it. > > Apache is not a great web server if you have a high number of connections. > One of the main issues with Apache is that the processes tend to get very > big when you add stuff like PHP to them. Building an application server > into a web server is poor design. A single threaded web server such as > Zeus, Boa or thttpd can handle much more traffic. > > With only a few hundred total clients (hopefully not all hitting it at the > same second), you don't need to worry about PHP performance. What you do > need to worry about is having several hundred Apache processes running while > all the clients download the file at once. An alternative would be to use > Apache for PHP and Boa or thttpd for the file downloads. > > I wrote a patch for thttpd that lets it run .php scripts natively. It runs > them using CGI, so it has to fork a process off for each PHP request. The > PHP performance is slow compared to Apache, but thttpd is much faster for > static files. If you are interested, grab the last patch from here: So you say that it's bloated to put in php as a module, but you never the less implemented something for thttpd to run php as cgi? Nice. > http://titan.hpcs.com/thttpd/ > > If you want use one web server for everything and feel confident that you > have a rock solid web hosting platform, then get Zeus. It will handle > whatever you can throw at it and more. Zeus is by far the best web server > available. > > You don't necessarily need a separate server, but it wouldn't hurt. Memory > is going to be your main issue if you are using Apache for everything. Your > requirements are pretty easy. If you have enough bandwidth so that > downloads are as fast as possible and have your clients randomly stagger the > connections, then Apache should work fine. [much biased] I believe apache.org is much of a testimony to Apache being able to handle the load for whatever Duncan can throw at it 1). What Duncan needs to make sure is that he has the pipe that can serve it and as you point out, enough memory to have enough childs running. 1) http://www.apache.org/server-status 3788 GB over the last 20 days, which is about 8 GB/hour or about 2MB/s (byte, not bit). And this is without a new release within those 20 days afair) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Thu Mar 20 12:10:12 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse 8.1 on a P90 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1434692176.20030320121012@toughguy.net> Thursday, March 20, 2003 @ 11:32:47 AM Central Standard Time Hi. TR> If so, what would be a good way to make a boot disk? I myself have never played with Suse, but creating boot disks is pretty standard. Instructions on creating bootdisks for Suse is available at their site: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/current/docu/HOWTOs/Bootdisk-HOWTO check it. TR> I have an old P90 that I would like to install suse 8.1 on to use as a TR> router. P90 will be fine. I have a similar setup here, running on a P133 with 48Megs of Core. If you are only seeking a router, there are some distro's out their made just for router/firewall service. They are designed to be small, & run lean & strong on old P.o.S. machines. Check Google for more details: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+firewall&btnG=Google+Search Kind Regards, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Mar 20 16:42:49 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse 8.1 on a P90 In-Reply-To: References: <200303192158.03752.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <20030320224249.GC32189@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 05:46:39AM -0600, Thomas Rieff wrote: > I have an old P90 that I would like to install suse 8.1 on to use as a > router. I've had more luck with RedHat on M16's -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Mar 19 18:10:32 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <200303191416.18886.ndavis@iexposure.com> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <200303191416.18886.ndavis@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <1048119031.2581.10.camel@orlando> I think Redhat 8.0 is a good compromise distribution. If you want to be more productive for home use maybe get Mandrake. If you want to learn a bit more but not be overwhelmed get Redhat 8.0. If you want to be overwhelmed and spend 8 months figuring out how to get your modem to work but impress your friends get Slackware 9.0. One thing to consider though is that Redhat 8.1 will probably be out within a few weeks. Oh and if you mention that you're putting together a Linux box the guys at General nanosystems seem to know enough to give you stuff that works. Brady > I see someone mentioned RedHat as a distribution to start off with. Mandrake > is also a good beginner distribution.. and the one I have continued to use. > Mandrake 9.1 will be out real soon (a week or so probably). > > The only major hangup for a home user running linux is getting hardware > designed for windows only to function properly. The most common one is the > "winmodem". > > hope that helps some! > > Nick > > On Wednesday 19 March 2003 13:35, cxobert wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I am new to this list, and new to Linux. > > > > I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd > > just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what it's > > like. > > > > I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what > > distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my > > machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done > > some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use feedback > > from experienced users. > > > > So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Charlie Obert > > cxobert@goldengate.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Fri Mar 14 13:52:49 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get for redhat8 In-Reply-To: <1047660385.3e72076121625@webmail.cloudnet.com> References: <3E7206BC.7030001@gac.edu> <1047660385.3e72076121625@webmail.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <200303141352.49921.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Friday 14 March 2003 10:46 am, lxy@cloudnet.com wrote: > Quoting Justin Haaheim : > > I'm trying to set up apt-get for redhat8 to take care of updating more > > > > > > parts of my system. What packages do you guys use apt-get for? would > > > > > > you guys mind sending me a copy of your source.list file so I can see > > > > > > how it's set up? feel free to e-mail me off the list > > (jhaahei2@gac.edu) > > I am curious what people add as well. I just use the default from > freshrpms, but I think Real Time has an apt-ified mirror. What do we > need to add to sources.list to poll form there? > All I add is this: ### RedHat 8.0 ## Stable packages (required) rpm ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 8.0 kde3 kde3-extras ## Unstable/test packages (optional) rpm ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 8.0 kde3-test So that I can get the latest KDE on RedHat, otherwise I would still be running 3.0 instead of 3.1. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Mar 19 20:55:12 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 (tclug slackware admin?) In-Reply-To: <200303191914.23315@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: If no one else wants to I will. Not sure what needs to be done, or how. But tell me how to do it, and I will. ______________________ Shawn "I didn't know it was 'impossible' until AFTER I did it." On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Wednesday 19 March 2003 12:58 pm, Shawn wrote: > > there isn't even an option to download Slack from ftp.mn-linux.org/linux > > > > Ok, anyone willing to take over the slackware admin job on ftp.mn-linux.org? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Wed Mar 12 08:21:09 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file In-Reply-To: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030312142108.GT29067@mnsdev3> On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 11:14:25PM -0600, Duncan Shannon wrote: > hello list- > > i am beginning to spec out a box that will run a php/mysql application, > that will have (initially not many) up to a couple thousand dumb devices > phoning home ever hour to 4 hours. each phone home will check to see if > it has a new file to download. most phone homes wont have any thing to > download. however, when a download becomes avail, it will be downloaded > buy a group of anywhere from 1, 2... 50 on up to maybe 1000 units will > be downloading the 3-4 meg file spaned over the phone home interval (1 - > 4 hrs) for that group of units. > > so, if there is a group with 200 units in it, and their phone home > interval is 1 hr, the next time a new download is made avail, all 200 > units will want to dl that update over the next hour, (plus all the > other phone home status checks from all the units). > > is this not really that much bandwidth or IO? I guess if 200 units over > 1 hr dl a 4 meg file, its 800 megs over an hour, thats not all *that* > much. Shouldn't Linux cache the file in memory anyway? Serve the file of a ram drive? > I need to plan hardware/bandwidth wise to make sure this process works > smoothly. Should i be looking at a dedicate box to run this? Currently > its going on our main server which has other things like qmail, apache, > and jabber servers running on it. Have some kind of queing mechanism so all clients don't just start downloading at the same time? (I really don't see you having a problem with this as long as the pipe is there) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Mar 18 13:08:11 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered In-Reply-To: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1048014491.13473.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've been trying to do this on my network myself for awhile. You can do it in Nautilus (on the Gnome side) by putting "samba:///" in the address field. I've been able to browse networks that way but when I try to actually connect to a share it always says my password is bad. I'm not sure if this is a bug that's fixed in a newer Nautilus or something having to do with encrypted vs plain passwords. Brady > My last e-mail about this went unanswered. I'll try again. > > I'm just trying to set up windows network browsing through linux. I'm > running redhat8 and kde3.1, and I'd like to be able to browse through my > campus' worgroups and computers. I'm going for functionality similar to > windows' network neighborhood. What is available for linux? I wasn't > able to get much useful info from google. > > thanks > justin > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 19 22:27:45 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 In-Reply-To: <42984.63.137.56.228.1048100366.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <42984.63.137.56.228.1048100366.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <200303192227.45964.tanner@real-time.com> On Wednesday 19 March 2003 12:59 pm, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > After all this talk on SpamAssassin, I noticed that it's included in > RH8.0. And it's even installed. Guess I need to configure it in. > > I've started spamd. Is there any other configuration work that needs to > be done to get spamc run by sendmail? Or has RH got another undocumented > trick to get that run? I tried their website but not much popped out. Do you want to run it via procmail (ala small number of users)? OR Do you want to run it globally for all users? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 19 12:26:32 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman-2.1 stable? Message-ID: <200303191226.32024@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Is mailman-2.1 stable? The mailman-devel list is on fire with bug reports, thus the reason I have not upgraded tclug-[list|announce|devel]. Anyone using it and care to comment? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 12 08:26:33 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <003b01c2e8a0$1511ba90$6001a8c0@eagan.powersys.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Dave Alitz wrote: > I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but telnet isn't a particularly secure > service. If your not on a private network that you trust completely, it's > not a good idea. It sends all communication in plain text, including the > user login. ssh is a more secure replacement for telnet that encrypts > network communication. openssh is included in RedHat. It too runs under > xinetd. Correct, telnet is an insecure service, and shouldn't be used for system administration purposes except on private networks (and probably not even then). However, OpenSSH does *not* run under xinetd. It's a standalone daemon. (IIRC, it can be -- or used to be able to -- run under inetd/xinetd, but the default behavior is to run it standalone.) Furthermore, SSH is a great utility, with features far beyond simple remote login. It can forward TCP ports, forward X11 applications, and be used to tunnel streams like rsync or even TCP/IP (as was mentioned in the other thread), all encrypted. Jima OpenSSH Zealot _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trieff at greencaremankato.com Thu Mar 20 05:46:39 2003 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse 8.1 on a P90 In-Reply-To: <200303192158.03752.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: I have an old P90 that I would like to install suse 8.1 on to use as a router. Is his possible? In the bios the cdrom is not recognized. Do I need to start with a boot disk first. If so, what would be a good way to make a boot disk? Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 507-344-8314 Office 507-344-8316 Fax trieff@greencaremankato.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jack Ungerleider Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:58 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions For regulars of this list the following distribution suggestion will come as no suprise: SuSE, but if the timing works for you I'd wait about a month. SuSE 8.2 is due out April 12th. According to a recent interview on Newsforge with SuSE US honcho Holger Dyroff they've done a lot of work in the new version on making it more usefull and attractive to the home user. Including better support for "non-standard" hardware. As far as getting a system is concerned I bought a Case/MB/RAM combo from Tran last fall as an upgrade and I'm very happy with it. You can find info at www.tranmicro.com. Jack On Wednesday March 19, 2003 1:35 pm, cxobert wrote: > Hi. > > I am new to this list, and new to Linux. > > I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd > just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what > it's like. > > I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what > distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my > machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done > some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use > feedback from experienced users. > > So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > > Charlie Obert > cxobert@goldengate.net -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Wed Mar 19 11:24:16 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BMG music samples Message-ID: <49D8B50499A9D611A00D0008C7CFB4726957AE@ipserver1.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Kremer [SMTP:kremer@ringworld.org] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:03 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] BMG music samples > > I don't know if there are any other BMG members out there, but if there > are, maybe you can help me out here. > I have been in contact with BMG's tech support regarding their website, > and all of their links to listen to their music samples are links to a > .exe file on another website, and then something pointing the .exe at a > .ra file. I have been complaining that I have no way to open the .exe > file on my computer as I am a non-windows user (and their website claims > to support Macintosh and Linux) and they have twice now told me that the > problem is with my RealPlayer program, not with their website. They have > also told me that they don't support Macintosh-like operating systems (I > guess that's what they consider "Linux on i686" to be) and I need to > contact my "non-windows tech support." > They swear that there is a RealPlayer setting that will make it work > right, but of course they won't tell me what it is because that would be > giving free tech support or something like that. Does anyone know how to > make it work, or are they full of crap? > Oh yeah...and I tried opening the .exe with wine and winex, and neither of > them liked it one bit. Not a big surprise. > Huh...guess my sig even applies here... > > ------------- > Justin Kremer > > Your problem might be similar this. http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2003/0317.barr_p.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Mar 12 11:27:04 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down In-Reply-To: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu>; from jhaahei2@gac.edu on Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 11:10:07AM -0600 References: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> Message-ID: <20030312112704.B21204@thinkunix.net> in an xterm: su - /sbin/halt Justin Haaheim wrote: > I'd like to configure my computer so that, with one command, I can log > out and shut down. I'm using kde, and the command for logging out of > kde is kdeinit_shutdown. This will bring me back to the login screen, > though. From there, I'd like to run /sbin/reboot or something similar. > Is there a way I can put these commands together so that after kde has > been shut down, the computer would then also reboot. -- scot _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.org Thu Mar 20 21:27:22 2003 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde desktop = single large window in fluxbox? Message-ID: <20030320212722.A13649@lemongecko.org> I'm having a weird problem trying to use KDE with fluxbox. When I startup KDE and tell it to use fluxbox (by setting KDEWM=fluxbox), it starts up the KDE desktop as a single, large window that covers the fluxbox toolbar and slit. You can resize/move/kill this window and get to the usual fluxbox stuff behind it (see screenshot at [1]). I want all the KDE stuff *except* the desktop because I like the usual fluxbox desktop. I've looked in the startkde script, but it doesn't start the desktop -- something else in the startup process does. Does anyone know how I could configure KDE to do everything but start the desktop? Thanks, Dan [1] http://www.math.umn.edu/~drake/images/kde-desktop-window.jpg -- | DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 | | Dan Drake | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't fall into the trap of thinking that just because > the page uses PHP that every request is PHP. On a typical site, you will > have at least 10-20 images for every page request. For many sites, the > number is much higher. As an example, loading the front page of Slashdot > required an extra 54 image requests. Funny you should mention slashdot. They actually use a seperate image server. Their main server still has mod_perl installed even though they say they mostly serve the front page of static html. http://slashdot.org/faq/tech.shtml#te050 : * 3 load balanced Web servers dedicated to images > > Furthermore, when you load php you might see your memory usage > > increase, but if it follows suit with other apache modules I've > > worked with (mod_perl) the majority of it is shared memory and thus > > doesn't have as large an impact as you would think. > > Unfortunately, that's not the case. I have a box running Apache with > mod_php4 and mod_ssl and the processes take at least 15-30mb. That is real > memory, not shared (the RES line from top on FreeBSD). I have a FreeBSD box w/ mod_perl,mod_php,mod_gzip that is mildly used. Both the perl (which is a huge memory-spender) and php part get excercised once in a while, but none of my childs have RES lines going anywhere above 6MB (82 childs ~3-4MB each RES). Granted, I kill off my childs after they've served 250 requests for the same reason. > > Even if it did > > make a difference, it should not have an impact on the number of > > requests that you can serve from Apache when it's static images > > unless you goofed up and made php handle the mime-types for the > > images. > > The impact is that each process contains PHP, therefore requiring a lot of > memory, thus limiting the total number of processes you can have running. > If I can only run twenty Apache processes before running out of memory, then > that limits me to serving twenty clients at once. The number of actual > users can be significantly less, since some browsers will use multiple > connections. My experience is that more browsers actually use keep-alive, and that boosts throughput more than more connections when it's not a slow server. > > And if you're in a high traffic/hit environment chances are > > you have a seperate webserver for serving pictures. > > If you use a well designed web server like Zeus, you don't need two servers > to work around a bad design. A possible alternative might be to use PHP > under FastCGI with Apache. I don't think many people do that, but it could > have significant performance advantages. Just because it can handle it doesn't mean that it's a good idea maxing out what a single machine can do. Why would you want to run php under fastcgi? You could just as well do the Proxy solution that Troy suggested then. > > As to pushing 80mbit with Apache, I didn't have a problem doing just > > that at home right now. > > Serving a 10240 byte file over 100mbit network: (no keep-alive) > > Transfer rate: 11294.81 [Kbytes/sec] received > > There is a huge difference between serving over a local network and serving > real traffic. A good number of clients, perhaps a majority, will be modem > users. This means connections stay open for much longer and have a lot of > latency. Even with broadband, there is still a significant amount of > latency involved. Try a concurrency of at least 500-1000 if you want to get > anywhere close to real world usage. I just did, it made a difference in throughput of -200kbit/s. It's still a worthless test, but it's still worth nothing that my machine was very responsive and the load only spiked because of the sheer amount of connections that where setup/shutdown. > > Serving a 10240 byte file over localhost: > > Transfer rate: 22876.10 [Kbytes/sec] received > > Any tests over localhost are basically worthless for a number of reasons. > > > These "tests" are about as trustworthy as any other test that is > > put up on the web > > Correct. It is difficult to adequately simulate web traffic. > > > Of course this is not on a live site, nor is it from real clients > > whose behaviour would be much different, but noone in their right > > mind would try to serve all this from one machine anyway. > > Wrong. It is easily possible to serve this much traffic from one box. > People were doing this at least three years ago. Asside from the occasional /.'ing or cdrom.com I don't see many sites running with that kind of page-load for a longer period of time from a single machine. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Thu Mar 20 12:03:50 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mirrors.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20030320173227.GA12547@iucha.net> References: <20030320172703.GA26902@real-time.com> <20030320173227.GA12547@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030320180350.GN2338@real-time.com> On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 11:32:27AM -0600, Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net) wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 11:27:03AM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote: > > Anyone know what's up with mirrors.kernel.org? It's been down all week :( > > See the attached message. Thank you. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030320/4e32b7be/attachment.pgp From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Mar 20 18:51:42 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 In-Reply-To: <20030320224101.GB32189@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Undocumented _redhat_ configuration features, or something undocumented > about the package itself? Please, give an example. how about all the utilities that redhat used that have no man or info pages? how is that for undocumented? Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Mar 11 16:50:55 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] emu10k1 and kmix In-Reply-To: <3E6E5945.5000604@gac.edu> References: <3E6E5265.2050305@gac.edu> <200303111531.43063.list@slushpupie.com> <3E6E5945.5000604@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303111650.55274.list@slushpupie.com> If you want it to run at boot, then you need to make a script for init.d. If you just want to have it availible for general use, you still need to make a script, you can just put it in /usr/local/bin . Your script should look like this: #!/bin/sh command to run command to run etc Then, make sure it is named something useful (emu10k1_setup or whatever), and change its permissions to 755 (that is a+rx and o+rwx ). Though the script dosnt NEED to be owned by root, system utilities generally are. (chown root:root filename) Then just put it in /usr/local/bin. Jay On Tuesday 11 March 2003 3:46 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > I am running redhat, but I'd prefer to stay out of init.d for now. Is > there some place I can put my script where it will run for all users > (not just for me)? I'm not terribly familiar with setting things like > this up, so if you could be verbose ( ./help-me -v ), that would be > helpful. > > justin > > Jay Kline wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 March 2003 3:17 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > >>My actual question is this: > >>When I restart, it appears as if digital output has been turned off. > >>Because it's a driver setting, I would've imagined that it would've > >>persisted after rebooting. Why would it be turning off, and how can I > >>set my system up so that it's always in this mode (will it require an > >>entry into a startup script?, and if so, which one?) ? wow, that was a > >>lot of questions > > > > Depending on your distro, you can just add the command to your rc.local. > > If you run redhat or the like, you can create a script that does it for > > you, throw it in init.d and use chkconfig (or other tools) to enable it > > to run at bootup. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cxobert at goldengate.net Thu Mar 20 09:43:05 2003 From: cxobert at goldengate.net (cxobert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re New to Linux - response Message-ID: <001101c2eef7$69ee4170$86a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> First off, thanks for all the responses, they are VERY helpful. Slackware... Despite my Subgenius leanings I don't think I'm ready to jump in there. Looking around on my own I had considered Red Hat, SuSE and Mandrake, and I think I need to check further into each of them. I may try more than one. Re the machine - I called General Nanosystems and talked to one of their techies who was very helpful on the hardware compatibility issue. As far as I can tell, provided I go with a hardware modem (he recommended US Robotics) and not a winmodem I should be okay with installing Linux on a system they build for me. (My last two PCs were from General Nanosystems and I like them a lot.) I intend to call Tran Micro also and see what they have to say. Building my own... That's a stretch, but I haven't ruled it out. Btw - part of the reason I am checking out Linux, aside from complete disgust with Microsoft, is a sense that Linux home and office pc systems are ready to break out of their 'just for geeks' reputation and go mainstream. (We can partly thank Microsoft's licensing for that.) I want to see if I'm right. Thanks again for the help. I'll be posting more as questions come up. Cheers, Charlie Obert _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 21:21:51 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <01b601c2e822$f267dba0$6501a8c0@tom> References: <01b601c2e822$f267dba0$6501a8c0@tom> Message-ID: <200303112121.51335@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 11 March 2003 05:07 pm, Tom O'Neill wrote: > Is there a Open-Source Alternative so SSH Sentinel? In around about way there is. Can install cygwin and it has a complete openssh suite ported to it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Mar 11 22:25:57 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <002601c2e7f8$d42d4f00$6001a8c0@eagan.powersys.com> References: <000c01c2e7ce$3f6e7d00$0300a8c0@master> <1047388732.1800.5.camel@dedannshae> <1047397295.24429.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002601c2e7f8$d42d4f00$6001a8c0@eagan.powersys.com> Message-ID: <1156.192.1.1.15.1047443157.squirrel@dccmn.com> > The contents of the RC?.d directories are usually soft links to a > directory of startup scripts (in RedHat 7+ it's /etc/init.d). > Generally, you can start and stop services by running the script in > /etc/init.d with a command line argument of "start", "stop", "restart", > and frequently "condrestart". Many also support "status" and "reload". > If you run them without an argument, most will echo a usage statement > that tell you the actions they recognize. > > Dave Alitz You can also use the service command so you don't need to type the full path of the init.d command. Example: service samba restart is the same as /etc/init.d/samba/restart As Larry Wall said: The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris. Gotta love that guy. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Mar 20 16:41:01 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 In-Reply-To: <65440.63.137.56.228.1048183940.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <42984.63.137.56.228.1048100366.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20030320045916.GZ32189@techmonkeys.org> <65440.63.137.56.228.1048183940.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20030320224101.GB32189@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 12:12:20PM -0600, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > There are quite a few times that I've tried to install RH configured > products, only to find undocumented configuration features. Undocumented _redhat_ configuration features, or something undocumented about the package itself? Please, give an example. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 17:12:11 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <01b601c2e822$f267dba0$6501a8c0@tom> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Tom O'Neill wrote: > Is there a Open-Source Alternative so SSH Sentinel? Not for Windows. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 19 13:38:03 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cube farm = noise, headphones? Message-ID: <20030319133803.A26629@real-time.com> I'm working in a cube farm and I find the background noise very distracting. I'm thinking of getting head phones and white noise CD to help block out the noise. Anyone have recommendation of headphones? Since I wear glasses, they need to "fit" when I have glasses on. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 14 10:22:08 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Motorola iM1100 in linux? In-Reply-To: <1047655728.3e71f53018018@webmail.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, lxy@cloudnet.com wrote: > Our plan is to deploy them on doze. I don't think doze is a suitable > OS for the project, since the machines will just be shut down > unexpectantly. I have a much better plan that includes replacing the > hard drive with a CF card and a read-only filesystem so it's more of > an on/off appliance type thing rather than a PC. It'll be doing all > its work in Citrix via the wireless modem, so it sounds like something > that linux can handle perfectly. Yeah, read-only CF == good. :) I've had great luck with the SimpleTech CF on both cameras and PC's.. half the price of Lexar's 24X stuff, and the same speed. I tried some Kingston 512mb cards, and got filesystem corruption, so that wasn't very fun. It'd be very very sweet if Linux is compatible with those cards.. may even be as easy as just throwing the card in a PC Card slot, and dialing a specific ph#. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Fri Mar 14 09:11:26 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat References: <200303131222.24275.tanner@real-time.com> <20030313195103.GG5213@sherohman.org> <200303132002.31645@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <003701c2ea3b$fbe73980$1000a8c0@VELDYT> Upgrade your list to the 2.1 version that is out. Then it is a piece of cake to modify the headers. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: Re: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat On Thursday 13 March 2003 01:51 pm, Dave Sherohman wrote: > It's a header test. The problem is with > > List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List > > > The old footer should not have been a problem. Hmm, I don't see a way to change the header info in mailman. Anyone? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Mar 19 13:20:14 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro In-Reply-To: <3E6D555E.7070902@gac.edu> References: <3E6D555E.7070902@gac.edu> Message-ID: <44961.63.137.56.228.1048101614.squirrel@dccmn.com> > > What's wrong with just taking Knoppix, stripping out everything > you don't want, put in what you do want, slapping your own label on it, > and calling it golden? Klaus Knopper has done a wonderful job with all > the hardware detection and running from RAM issues, so why not build off > the shoulders of giants, rather than work from the ground up? > > :Peter Why climb Mount Everest. Why sail across the Pacific in a 7 foot sail boat, why build your own CD based Distro? Because you can say you did it! :{)> Actually, I've been looking to write an OpenSource replacement of Ghost using a diskette or CD based Distro. Boot Linux, format (either FAT or Ext[23]), write a boot record and load the hard drive with your system image from a CD or over the network. Even do multi-cast. We've got a rack of 1-up PC's here that we use to test with. Kind of neat loading 40 PCs with one download... There are several projects on SourceForge that talk about this, but most are vaporware yet. I looked at several diskette distros but they were all older kernels. At some point I would like to add support for NTFS (whenever the kernel folks get it stable) so having a process to create the distro from the current RH (my preference, flames >/dev/null) is more important than the software itself. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Mar 18 19:47:46 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] upgrading php with rpms References: <63936.209.98.213.140.1047865511.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <001801c2ec2d$814e21e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <019c01c2ed37$84b2a6c0$050710ac@DELL2> Message-ID: <016401c2edb9$8a620ed0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Do not reply to a message to start a new topic. Create a new message. Replying to an existing message screws up mailers and archiving software that tracks threads. Raymond Norton writes: > I am running redhat 7.1 with php-4.0.x. I need to upgrade to > php-4.2.x. I get a list of about 18 missing deps. What would be the > best way to upgrade without causing other problems for my server. I'm > not sure which deps or conflicts are an issue for other programs on > the server. I suggest compiling PHP from source. It is probably easier than tracking down the correct RPMs. Additionally, you can compile with exactly the options that you want. You could even compile the binary statically: LDFLAGS=-all-static make -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Mar 18 19:44:04 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg listings inconsistant References: <1048006620.5971.39.camel@magnum.bgea.org> <20030318175552.GB20417@fandre.com> <20030318175810.GC20417@fandre.com> Message-ID: <003201c2edb9$0603f310$0201a8c0@brinstar> Clay Fandre writes: > export COLUMNS=200; dpkg --list 'communicator*' I've never noticed this behavior, but it seems pretty lame. I think dpkg should call isatty(3) on stdout before deciding to respect COLUMNS. Time to look into filing a bug report. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Mar 19 14:43:38 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Message-ID: <52964.63.137.56.228.1048106618.squirrel@dccmn.com> One problem I've seen is that there are some cheaper network cards, video cards, sound cards, etc. that are not supported on Linux. You might want to check the redhat hardware list (http://hardware.redhat.com) before you buy something. We bought several high power PCs with HighPoint IDE Raid chips on them (even though HighPoint claimed Linux compatibility), only to find the Linux drivers were only for an old release. Generally the brand names, though more expensive, are more likely to give less hassles. > Hi. > > I am new to this list, and new to Linux. > > I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd > just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what it's > like. > > I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what > distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my > machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done > some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use feedback > from experienced users. > > So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > > Charlie Obert > cxobert@goldengate.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Tue Mar 18 10:01:11 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered In-Reply-To: <200303180956.50063.list@slushpupie.com> References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <200303180956.50063.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20030318160110.GF1965@mnsdev3> On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 09:56:50AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > Depending on technical you want to get, you can use smbclient itself. read > the man page for more info. Otherwise, Konqueror itself should have the > functionality built in for kde3.1 (use the uri smb://host/share ). You might > also check out komba2 or gnomba. a search on Freshmeat will likely turn up a > bunch of results. I can recommend komba2 from previous use. Mounting a partition is easy with it and you can make it tell you which command line you'd have to use to do it with mount/smbclient I believe. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Wed Mar 19 15:17:36 2003 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <52964.63.137.56.228.1048106618.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <52964.63.137.56.228.1048106618.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <1048108655.20469.25.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 14:43, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > One problem I've seen is that there are some cheaper network cards, video > cards, sound cards, etc. that are not supported on Linux. You might want > to check the redhat hardware list (http://hardware.redhat.com) before you > buy something. You might also grab the linux kernel from one of the mirror sites on this list: http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/countries/html/US.html And read the stuff in the /Documentation directory for info on devices supported by the Linux kernel. For user developed device support outside of the kernel, google is your friend. I have been conned to many times by packaging that says a device supports Linux when in reality it supports an old kernel version with binary bits that you can't fix or re-compile. -- Kelly Black -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you want to be > overwhelmed and spend 8 months figuring out how to get your modem to > work but impress your friends get Slackware 9.0. > Yes, but after that, you can get the modem to work under all other distros (unless you get hit in just the right spot on your head). Might seem sadistic, but you may learn something about how the software works and the configuration files play a part in the process. Besides if you succeed, you may be a SubGenius. -- Kelly Black -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Secondly, I used "client_options" to hard set the gateway , > and add alternative dns servers, but it will not dish this stuff out. users > just get the default IP of the server. Many workstations are working fine > despite the problems of a few , but I cannot figure out what has gone > wrong, since everything was roses before the crash. I would recommend upgrading to dhcp-3.0pl1-9. It may not fix your problem but there are quite a few changes from 2.x to 3.x. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030319/21ae34ae/attachment.pgp From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Mar 20 12:21:08 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro In-Reply-To: <1048111586.2331.67.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <3E6D555E.7070902@gac.edu> <44961.63.137.56.228.1048101614.squirrel@dccmn.com> <1048111586.2331.67.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1906.63.137.56.228.1048184468.squirrel@dccmn.com> > On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 13:20, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: >> Actually, I've been looking to write an OpenSource replacement of >> Ghost using a diskette or CD based Distro. > > I've used Trinux (http://trinux.sourceforge.net/) Thanks, I'll look at it. > I'm probably going to show more of my newb colors than I would like > here, but couldn't you just "dd -if /dev/hd?? -of /hd??-dumped" a CD/DVD > worth at a time, and burn the file to CD/DVD? Granted you're not > getting any fancy compression or anything (not that you probably > couldn't gzip it), but shouldn't dd work regardless of the file system > on the drive? And if so, what's so great about ghost then? The main problem with this is that you can't change the size of the partitions. Comes in handy when you want to transplant HDs. If the file systems were in a tar or dump image, they could be better manipulated. Which ghost can't do. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 20 13:01:46 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman-2.1 stable? In-Reply-To: <0f5201c2eea6$1cb63440$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <200303191226.32024@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <0f5201c2eea6$1cb63440$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <200303201301.46628@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 20 March 2003 12:01 am, David Phillips wrote: > I don't have much experience with mailman, but here is my take on mailing > list managers: ezmlm is the best mailing list manager available. It is > very powerful, easy to use, fast, stable, reliable and secure. You can > setup a mailing list with a single command. ezmlm is used to run some very > large lists, including the PHP and MySQL mailing list. Last time I looked ezmlm interface was terrible for non-techincal users. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Thu Mar 20 13:08:42 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman-2.1 stable? In-Reply-To: <200303201301.46628@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200303191226.32024@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <0f5201c2eea6$1cb63440$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200303201301.46628@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030320190842.GT7975@mnsdev3> On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 01:01:46PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Thursday 20 March 2003 12:01 am, David Phillips wrote: > > I don't have much experience with mailman, but here is my take on mailing > > list managers: ezmlm is the best mailing list manager available. It is > > very powerful, easy to use, fast, stable, reliable and secure. You can > > setup a mailing list with a single command. ezmlm is used to run some very > > large lists, including the PHP and MySQL mailing list. > > Last time I looked ezmlm interface was terrible for non-techincal users. Which part of it? Is it because you lack a web interface to subscribe / unsubscribe? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ndavis at iexposure.com Wed Mar 19 16:39:50 2003 From: ndavis at iexposure.com (Nick Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache w/ frontpage extentions In-Reply-To: <52911.192.168.0.3.1048106528.squirrel@192.168.0.3> References: <52911.192.168.0.3.1048106528.squirrel@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: <200303191639.50765.ndavis@iexposure.com> Hi all! I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge of using frontpage extentions with a debain packaged apache version? I found libapache-mod-frontpage in debian unstable. Has anyone used it before? Works? Doesn't work?? Thanks! p.s. Yes I know frontpage is evil! I just want to upgrade apache with a debian version to make my future updates easier on that server. Nick -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ndavis at iexposure.com Wed Mar 19 14:16:18 2003 From: ndavis at iexposure.com (Nick Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Message-ID: <200303191416.18886.ndavis@iexposure.com> I see someone mentioned RedHat as a distribution to start off with. Mandrake is also a good beginner distribution.. and the one I have continued to use. Mandrake 9.1 will be out real soon (a week or so probably). The only major hangup for a home user running linux is getting hardware designed for windows only to function properly. The most common one is the "winmodem". hope that helps some! Nick On Wednesday 19 March 2003 13:35, cxobert wrote: > Hi. > > I am new to this list, and new to Linux. > > I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd > just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what it's > like. > > I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what > distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my > machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done > some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use feedback > from experienced users. > > So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > > Charlie Obert > cxobert@goldengate.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 19 22:26:43 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 (tclug slackware admin?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303192226.43975.tanner@real-time.com> On Wednesday 19 March 2003 08:55 pm, Shawn wrote: > If no one else wants to I will. Not sure what needs to be done, or how. > But tell me how to do it, and I will. Umm, how, what, etc is the admin's responsibilty :-) More or less I delegate all responsibility to you to maintain the slack mirror. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Mar 13 09:06:59 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick off topic squid question References: <33398.204.220.56.4.1047499519.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <007101c2e939$161cf780$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <005f01c2e972$3201fd90$0f0b0b0a@DELL2> The users have not been created yet. I was hoping to create a users from a text file. Of course it probably would be best to make them normal users, and then import them into squidpass. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Phillips" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] quick off topic squid question > Raymond Norton writes: > > I need to import 200+ users into my squidpass file > > /etc/squid/squidpass. I want to set the password to "password". Once > > done I have chpasswd.cgi set up for users to change their password. > > You didn't say where you wanted to import the users from. I'm assuming that > you need to import them from /etc/passwd. This is easy to do with a bit of > shell scripting. The following imports all users that have a UID of at > least 1000: > > touch /etc/squid/squidpass > for i in $(cat /etc/passwd | cut -d':' -f 1,3 | \ > sort -n -t':' -k 2 | grep -E '[0-9]{4}' | cut -d':' -f 1); do \ > htpasswd -b /etc/squid/squidpass $i "password"; done > > Note that while this will work on most systems, it is not the correct method > of getting password entries. The correct method is to use getpwnam(3) or > getpwent(3). > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 20 12:45:33 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:38 2005 Subject: Troll: undocumented features WAS Re: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 In-Reply-To: <65440.63.137.56.228.1048183940.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <42984.63.137.56.228.1048100366.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20030320045916.GZ32189@techmonkeys.org> <65440.63.137.56.228.1048183940.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <200303201245.33363@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 20 March 2003 12:12 pm, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > There are quite a few times that I've tried to install RH configured > products, only to find undocumented configuration features. This is a total troll... :-) How can open source be undocumented? You get the source code so you have all the documentation you need. Yes, yes, user documentation might be missing. But nothing is really undocumented, since you can look at the code. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 13 20:02:31 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:38 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <20030313195103.GG5213@sherohman.org> References: <200303131222.24275.tanner@real-time.com> <20030313195103.GG5213@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <200303132002.31645@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 13 March 2003 01:51 pm, Dave Sherohman wrote: > It's a header test. The problem is with > > List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List > > > The old footer should not have been a problem. Hmm, I don't see a way to change the header info in mailman. Anyone? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 11 15:13:15 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem w/ server, or are we just obsessive Message-ID: <3E6E516B.1060405@gac.edu> Is there a lag on the tclug server? Sometimes, I'll get e-mails that are marked a couple hours earlier than other ones I've already recieved. I also count 24 e-mails in the last half hour. Are we just obsessive-compulsive linux users, or has the server done something weird with delivering these? justin _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Mar 18 11:58:10 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg listings inconsistant In-Reply-To: <20030318175552.GB20417@fandre.com> References: <1048006620.5971.39.camel@magnum.bgea.org> <20030318175552.GB20417@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030318175810.GC20417@fandre.com> Or export COLUMNS=200; dpkg --list 'communicator*' On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > Google is your friend. > http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/packaging.htm > > More specifically, > apt-get install dpkg-awk > dpkg-awk "Status: .* installed$" -- Package | cut -d: -f2 > > > On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, John Hawley wrote: > > > Say, a silly little question to the Debian gurus. > > > > Anyone know why my dpkg listing fields get truncated when I direct the > > output to a file? This is from xterm running in a bash shell. I'd like > > to be able to have a copy of the current package listing for all my > > servers and its irritating to see the package names or version number > > > > root@rho1:cgi-bin# dpkg --list 'communicator* > > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold > > | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed > > |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Sat Mar 15 21:56:24 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba and browsing networks Message-ID: <3E73F5E8.6070608@gac.edu> this is a relatively remedial question, but I haven't been able to find good resources for exactly what I'm looking for. I'm on a college campus (gustavus, namely), and I'm trying to set up my system such that I can browse the campus network (based in windows, of course). I'd like to be able to browse through the different workgroups and computers. I would imagine that samba will be involved in the solution to this. What is the best way to go about this? I'm running RH8 with kde. thanks justin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Mar 19 15:19:14 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Message-ID: <3E78DED2.7060606@gac.edu> I would reccomend RedHat 8. I've found it to be quite stable and fully featured, and installation is relatively painless. An option you might consider is that Dell (and possibly other companies) are now officially producing linux boxes. They're not advertised on the main page of their website, mind you, but I've heard that they will preinstall a linux distro and ship the machine to you. cheers justin cxobert wrote: > Hi. > > I am new to this list, and new to Linux. > > I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd > just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what it's > like. > > I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what > distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my > machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done > some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use feedback > from experienced users. > > So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > > Charlie Obert > cxobert@goldengate.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Thu Mar 20 12:20:23 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <15993.63981.155750.557975@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <52964.63.137.56.228.1048106618.squirrel@dccmn.com> <15993.63981.155750.557975@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <3E7A0667.6000800@gac.edu> I, personally, have had terrible luck with gateways. My family has bought a number of computers through them, and we've had a number of problems. - you certainly won't get tech support if you install linux (or do anything to your system other than turn it on), and the tech support is shotty. getting replacement parts is a major hassle. - the cases are poorly designed with hardly any ventilation. One of my gateway hard drives broke down -- I pulled it out and it was too hot to touch. I keep my side cover off. - the parts are, as is surely the case with other big-name computers, just good enough to get along running the preinstaled windows. Don't expect to find any feature on the motherboard that's not essential to the running of the computer. - _documentation_ -- gateway provides worthless documentation. The things you get with your machine are aimed at people that don't know how to turn a machine on, and their website documentation is mostly just a source to download windows drivers (a pain, i might add). enough of me tearing gateway apart. I've just had bad experience after bad experience with gateway. In terms of actually building your own machine, it's not as daunting (usually) as it may seem. Oftentimes, it can be as simple as buying the right parts and putting them into the case without electro-static-discharing through them. Then, you pop the machine on and throw linux in your cdrom (after maybe a minute of bios setup). I'm sure there are good resources for this all over the internet. I bought my gateway about 2 years ago, and immediately afterwards I regretted not making my own machine. It all depends, though, on your level of comfort. hope this helps cheers justin ranging from them sending us an incorrectly configured computer (for video editing), to the fac rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > waynej@dccmn.com writes: > > One problem I've seen is that there are some cheaper network cards, video > > cards, sound cards, etc. that are not supported on Linux. You might want > > to check the redhat hardware list (http://hardware.redhat.com) before you > > buy something. > > > > We bought several high power PCs with HighPoint IDE Raid chips on them > > (even though HighPoint claimed Linux compatibility), only to find the > > Linux drivers were only for an old release. > > > > Generally the brand names, though more expensive, are more likely to give > > less hassles. > > I had good luck with a gateway, using a strategy someone suggested --- > take a bootable linux distro (Knoppix) to the store. Boot. Play with > it a little and see if it works. Seems to have mostly worked for me > (but APM turns out not to work very well :-(). > > R > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Mon Mar 3 09:38:18 2003 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help with making a script In-Reply-To: <1589009725.20030303035053@toughguy.net> References: <525225416.20030302032502@toughguy.net> <20030303080919.GA24813@mail.el-swifto.com> <1589009725.20030303035053@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <200303030938.18643.jared-linux@mn.rr.com> Here you go: #!/bin/bash declare FILE="/home/jburns/config1" function write { echo $* >> $FILE } declare BEGINPORT=28800 declare ENDPORT=29100 while [ "$BEGINPORT" -lt $(($ENDPORT+1)) ] do write "tcp,0.0.0.0/0,$BEGINPORT,192.168.1.100,$BEGINPORT,on" BEGINPORT=$(($BEGINPORT+1)) done _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 7 11:10:10 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Certificate Authority? In-Reply-To: <42668.198.74.20.77.1047056020.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <42668.198.74.20.77.1047056020.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20030307171010.GG2663@iucha.net> On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 10:53:40AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > My (self-signed) SSL cert just expired and i was googling for a > "commercial" cert. > > first site i hit (thawte) wanted $350 for an Apache cert which got me > thinking... why not a TCLUG-CA? > > A Certificate Authority is all about trust. Why not setup our own circle > of trust? +1 We can start by keysigning parties. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was just wondering if you could let your users on the list know because right now I really need contributed content for the magazine and since I'm just starting out, I don't really have anyone yet that can write articles for it. I'm seeking any articles or tutorials about Linux, but especially right now I'm searching for articles on programming in a Linux environment, both scripted languages and compiled ones. If you could let everyone on the list know, I would be very deeply grateful. Thanks in advance for your time. Sincerely, James Colannino -- The New Penguin Times: A New Linux Online Magazine http://www.newpenguintimes.com ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Mar 5 13:30:30 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smbmount In-Reply-To: <3E656548.7080205@quotidian.org> References: <3E656548.7080205@quotidian.org> Message-ID: <15974.20566.5987.845778@tsathoggua.mydomain> It's been a long time since I did anything like this, but when I did, I used the automounter to get the share mounted. This wasn't ideal (required hard-coding Windows namespace user and password into the automounter conf file), but seemed to be best option available. Then the automounter with -t smbfs seemed to do a good job of keeping the handles from being stale, etc. R _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 5 17:57:51 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php/mysql help Message-ID: <1557.66.103.161.14.1046908671.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> After starting from zip for knowledge (or near it anyway) I am using phpform generator to create what I need to enter new members (for our skate park) and photos (hrefs) into my mysql database. I am digging, but could use some help with the rest. I need to create a form using php that can bring up a member's info by entering their assigned number into a form field. This would also need to bring up the matching photo that has been uploaded to our web server. lastly, the page that comes up on the user needs to have a field to enter arrival, and departure times. This info would need to somehow be linked with the member. I realize this is off topic, so feel free to reply off the list. Thanks in advance -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 3 12:10:57 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail security hole In-Reply-To: <62780.207.109.1.73.1046713806.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Or run qmail. :) > > Sorry, couldn't resist.... ..or run Exim, so you don't have to deal with DJB's annoying attitude. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Tue Mar 4 14:03:35 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help with making a script In-Reply-To: <3E64BE84.1070503@talkware.net> References: <525225416.20030302032502@toughguy.net> <3E64BE84.1070503@talkware.net> Message-ID: <1812930454.20030304140335@toughguy.net> Tuesday, March 4, 2003 @ 1:44:10 PM Central Standard Time JJT> bash myscript.sh JJT> and append the output to file "config1" with: JJT> bash myscript.sh >> config EE> perl -e 'for($i = 28800; $i < 29101; $i++) { print EE> "tcp,0.0.0.0/0,$i,192.168.100,$i\n";} >> name_of_file_to_append_to JB> Here you go: JB> #!/bin/bash JB> declare FILE="/home/jburns/config1" JB> function write { JB> echo $* >> $FILE JB> } JB> declare BEGINPORT=28800 JB> declare ENDPORT=29100 JB> while [ "$BEGINPORT" -lt $(($ENDPORT+1)) ] JB> do JB> write "tcp,0.0.0.0/0,$BEGINPORT,192.168.1.100,$BEGINPORT,on" JB> BEGINPORT=$(($BEGINPORT+1)) JB> done I wanted to thank you all for helping me with my script drama. I ended up leaving the script as is and just bash ./scripter >> config worked awesome. Take Care & Rock'On, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Mon Mar 3 20:31:13 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader Message-ID: <62413.209.98.213.140.1046745073.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Hey Group I just got a usb SanDisk ImageMate dual card reader (SmartMedia/Compact Flash). I really need a clue as to how to mount it. My machine is Mandrake 9.0 and the usb controller shows up in the hardware config. The reader seems to show up by scanning. # cdrecord --scanbus scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'SanDisk ' 'ImageMate CF-SM ' '0100' Removable Disk I tried to mount it like this, but it didn't work. # mount -t vfat -orw /dev/sdb1 /mnt/smart mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist Can somebody please tell me how to mount this? Thanks Mark Courtney __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Mar 20 17:19:57 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <1048183441.22612.28.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <3E7A1CE3.4090903@attbi.com> <1048183441.22612.28.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> Message-ID: <15994.19613.656441.177026@tsathoggua.mydomain> My preference is for Mandrake. But that's because I prefer the KDE desktop environment to Gnome. Otherwise I'm sure I'd be happy with RedHat. Plus, what the heck, I root for the little company..... Maybe I should be calling it the Freedom Distro, since it's French? :-) R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Thu Mar 20 20:23:06 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <15994.19613.656441.177026@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <3E7A1CE3.4090903@attbi.com> <1048183441.22612.28.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> <15994.19613.656441.177026@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <3E7A778A.1030807@gac.edu> Why does the distro have anything to do with KDE? I'm running rh8, and I don't even have gnome installed. I'm gonna go eat my freedom silk pie. justin rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > My preference is for Mandrake. But that's because I prefer the KDE > desktop environment to Gnome. Otherwise I'm sure I'd be happy with > RedHat. Plus, what the heck, I root for the little company..... > > Maybe I should be calling it the Freedom Distro, since it's French? > :-) > > R > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cxobert at goldengate.net Wed Mar 19 13:35:00 2003 From: cxobert at goldengate.net (cxobert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions Message-ID: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Hi. I am new to this list, and new to Linux. I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what it's like. I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use feedback from experienced users. So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Charlie Obert cxobert@goldengate.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Mar 20 19:44:05 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare and a Pine scripting question Message-ID: Couple of questions. 1) I'm looking at VMWare again, and am going to buy. However, my question is this. I plan on running thin clients, with 2 or 3 connections to the server at any given time. Is VMWare supported in this environment? If so, is it the Desktop version or do I need to look more towards the GSX server? 2) For my mail client, I'm using Pine. I've tried various things to move the fetchmail process to the background and hide when mail comes through so that it doesn't show up on the screen. "fetchmail -d 300" is typically what I use when I sign off, and I've even tried to put it into a cronjob. Unfortunately, neither one hides it to the background. If I do "fetchmail -a > /dev/null" manually, it doesn't send anything to the screen and I can collect my mail. However, put that into a script or cronjob: */5 * * * * /usr/bin/fetchmail -a > /dev/null It still pushes to the screen when I'm logged in. Anyone have any ideas on how to get it to go to the background and not be seen? Someone did show an option within Pine, but I forget what it was and it didn't work. Thanks in advance. ______________________ Shawn "I didn't know it was 'impossible' until AFTER I did it." _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Mar 20 20:34:52 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20030320224101.GB32189@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030321023452.GE32189@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 06:51:42PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > how about all the utilities that redhat used that have no man or info > pages? > > how is that for undocumented? I'd say that the name of the program is self explanatory: /usr/bin/redhat-config-date /usr/bin/redhat-config-keyboard /usr/bin/redhat-config-language /usr/bin/redhat-config-mouse /usr/bin/redhat-config-network /usr/bin/redhat-config-network-cmd /usr/bin/redhat-config-network-druid /usr/bin/redhat-config-packages /usr/bin/redhat-config-printer /usr/bin/redhat-config-printer-gui /usr/bin/redhat-config-printer-tui /usr/bin/redhat-config-proc /usr/bin/redhat-config-rootpassword /usr/bin/redhat-config-securitylevel /usr/bin/redhat-config-services /usr/bin/redhat-config-soundcard /usr/bin/redhat-config-time /usr/bin/redhat-config-users /usr/bin/redhat-config-xfree86 Do you really need a man page for something that calls itself 'redhat-config-date'? Besides, none of them take command line arguments, and all the questions are asked in the program. And of course, there is the 'Help' button for when you can't quite figure out what it really wants when it asks you what time it is. > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Tue Mar 18 09:55:09 2003 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> Message-ID: <3E77415D.3010307@stonel.com> smbclient smbmount linneighborhood Justin Haaheim wrote: > My last e-mail about this went unanswered. I'll try again. > > I'm just trying to set up windows network browsing through linux. I'm > running redhat8 and kde3.1, and I'd like to be able to browse through > my campus' worgroups and computers. I'm going for functionality > similar to windows' network neighborhood. What is available for > linux? I wasn't able to get much useful info from google. > > thanks > justin > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Mar 19 12:59:26 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 Message-ID: <42984.63.137.56.228.1048100366.squirrel@dccmn.com> After all this talk on SpamAssassin, I noticed that it's included in RH8.0. And it's even installed. Guess I need to configure it in. I've started spamd. Is there any other configuration work that needs to be done to get spamc run by sendmail? Or has RH got another undocumented trick to get that run? I tried their website but not much popped out. TIA. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kiler0n at ags-us.com Wed Mar 19 13:49:33 2003 From: kiler0n at ags-us.com (Tony Kelleran) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cube farm = noise, headphones? Message-ID: How much you willing to spend? If you want good noise reduction headphones, might I suggest: http://www.bose.com/noise_reduction/qc_headset/ Otherwise, the $15 pair of Koss headphones I got at Target, work great. tanner@real-time.c om To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent by: cc: tclug-list-admin@m Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cube farm = noise, headphones? n-linux.org 03/19/2003 01:38 PM Please respond to tclug-list I'm working in a cube farm and I find the background noise very distracting. I'm thinking of getting head phones and white noise CD to help block out the noise. Anyone have recommendation of headphones? Since I wear glasses, they need to "fit" when I have glasses on. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 14 10:23:59 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] command line & multiple workspaces In-Reply-To: <3E71290A.7050603@quotidian.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > Say I've got an xterm window open on one workspace in, say, gnome. > Is there a way that I could launch an application with a directive > that told it which workspace to open in? In KDE, you can do: kstart --desktop No clue with Gnome. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Mar 20 12:06:32 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 In-Reply-To: <200303192227.45964.tanner@real-time.com> References: <42984.63.137.56.228.1048100366.squirrel@dccmn.com> <200303192227.45964.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <64764.63.137.56.228.1048183592.squirrel@dccmn.com> It's only a small system, so I was going to implement it globally there. > On Wednesday 19 March 2003 12:59 pm, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: >> After all this talk on SpamAssassin, I noticed that it's included in >> RH8.0. And it's even installed. Guess I need to configure it in. >> >> I've started spamd. Is there any other configuration work that needs >> to be done to get spamc run by sendmail? Or has RH got another >> undocumented trick to get that run? I tried their website but not >> much popped out. > > Do you want to run it via procmail (ala small number of users)? > > OR > > Do you want to run it globally for all users? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil at rephil.org Wed Mar 19 10:02:08 2003 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Flickering Screen In-Reply-To: <20030319154901.17950.97051.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030319154901.17950.97051.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030319160209.35C0A73D70@maynard.rephil.org> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org writes: > Message: 15 > From: "Perry Hoekstra" > Both are running 1152x864 with 16-bit color. On the Linux > side, I am running 3D hardware acceleration and the mga > server. There are two little things I'd do to get my bearings: 1: Try 1024x768, and see if the problem still exists. (I know, I know -- all that rebooting!) 2: See if you can try/borrow another monitor. 3: (bonus!) Play with xvidtune, and see if you can make it go away. The thing is, the monitor doesn't know squat about software, it only knows what kind of video signal it sees, so if somehow your drivers are generating funny video signals, that's what needs to be adjusted. xvidtune is your friend, and actually Windows lets you monkey with them as well, depending on the driver for your card (under advanced settings, but it sounds like you don't have the trouble there.) Do you see any change in position on the screen, or width/height of the video area between the two setups? It sounds like what may be going on is the video timings, such as length of your horizontal / vertical sweep (blanking intervals) are not really as nice as you'd want. Did you say what refresh rate you are using in both setups? I'd check that -- perhaps you're using a lower refresh rate in X. It sounds solvable. -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Thu Mar 20 12:04:02 2003 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <3E7A1CE3.4090903@attbi.com> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <3E7A1CE3.4090903@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1048183441.22612.28.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 13:56, Paul Overby wrote: > WINDOWS CLONES > If you want something that looks like windows, feels like windows, and > acts like windows you might try Lindows. I'm not really ready for i > becauseI don't particullarly like there click and run strategy but you > can stick in your microsoft Application CD's and install and run them > just like you would in windows (they won't all work correctly but you'd > be surprise how many will). You can still download and install open > source applications on your own. Go out to Walmart.com and pick up a > 1.1gz duron with 128 meg memory and 10 gig hard drive for $199 Lindows > OS pre-installed and Viola!!! you're a linux user. It really can be > that simple. You might also try Xandros which comes with crossover > office an excellent application for running windows apps but I have no > personnel experience with Xandros. > If the current issue of Linux Magazine (US version) is true, the current version of Lindows no longer includes WINE by default and may not be the best choice. The review suggests Xandros as a better alternative. -- Kelly Black -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030320/00885fea/attachment.pgp From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Mar 19 16:06:26 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro In-Reply-To: <44961.63.137.56.228.1048101614.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <3E6D555E.7070902@gac.edu> <44961.63.137.56.228.1048101614.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <1048111586.2331.67.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 13:20, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > Actually, I've been looking to write an OpenSource replacement of Ghost > using a diskette or CD based Distro. Boot Linux, format (either FAT or > Ext[23]), write a boot record and load the hard drive with your system > image from a CD or over the network. Even do multi-cast. We've got a > rack of 1-up PC's here that we use to test with. Kind of neat loading 40 > PCs with one download... > > There are several projects on SourceForge that talk about this, but most > are vaporware yet. > > I looked at several diskette distros but they were all older kernels. At > some point I would like to add support for NTFS (whenever the kernel folks > get it stable) so having a process to create the distro from the current > RH (my preference, flames >/dev/null) is more important than the software > itself. I've used Trinux (http://trinux.sourceforge.net/) and I've been very happy with it. It has a nice 50M iso for pocket sized cds that has worked wonders for me. 2.4.19 kernel, with FAT/NTFS support. It's saved my pathetic Win2k Server from hard drive crashes 3 times now (don't ask). And I love that it boots to a command line and not some strange menu driven system. I've often wished it had cdrtools to do a mkisofs and cdrecord to back up a system, but the development on the project has been rather slow. I've debated trying to do it myself, but thats more time than I have available at the moment, not to mention a bit out of my league. I don't think I'd want to go to the point that I could "ghost" a drive, but at least back up some files to CDs. I'm probably going to show more of my newb colors than I would like here, but couldn't you just "dd -if /dev/hd?? -of /hd??-dumped" a CD/DVD worth at a time, and burn the file to CD/DVD? Granted you're not getting any fancy compression or anything (not that you probably couldn't gzip it), but shouldn't dd work regardless of the file system on the drive? And if so, what's so great about ghost then? -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Mar 19 12:58:33 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 (tclug slackware admin?) In-Reply-To: <200303191233.03304@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: there isn't even an option to download Slack from ftp.mn-linux.org/linux ______________________ Shawn "I didn't know it was 'impossible' until AFTER I did it." On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > > TCLUG slackware admin, is ftp.mn-linux.org setup to mirror slack-9.0? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Mar 19 21:48:00 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dhcp woes References: <2998.204.220.56.9.1048115886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <1048116786.1569.15.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> Message-ID: <012901c2ee93$814178b0$050710ac@DELL2> All typos (end of a long day) Anyway, I changed things according to your suggestions. I will know if it changes anything early tomorrow morning. Just wonder why webmin would enter the info incorrectly? Thanks all for the input. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Patten" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dhcp woes > On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 17:18, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > I think it is just > > > > > > /etc/dhcpd.conf > > > > > > > > > Option domain-name-servers 172.21.1.1, 206.9.112.100 > > option routers 172.21.0.1 > > subnet 172.21.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 { > > range 172.21.1.20, 172.21.1.354; > > } > > > > > > > > None of the workstations will show the second dns. For testing I made it > > the only dns, but it still came back with the default stuff. > > A few suggestions,assuming they're not just typos: > - add semi-colons to the ends of the option lines. > - make the first "Option" all lower-case. > - the range line probably should end in 254 and not 354. > > -- > Carl Patten > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From daret at linuxmail.org Wed Mar 19 12:55:56 2003 From: daret at linuxmail.org (dare t) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BMG music samples Message-ID: <20030319185556.19683.qmail@linuxmail.org> ----- Original Message ----- From: RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:24:16 -0600 To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] BMG music samples > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Justin Kremer [SMTP:kremer@ringworld.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:03 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] BMG music samples > > > > I don't know if there are any other BMG members out there, but if there > > are, maybe you can help me out here. > > I have been in contact with BMG's tech support regarding their website, > > and all of their links to listen to their music samples are links to a > > .exe file on another website, and then something pointing the .exe at a > > .ra file. I have been complaining that I have no way to open the .exe > > file on my computer as I am a non-windows user (and their website claims > > to support Macintosh and Linux) and they have twice now told me that the > > problem is with my RealPlayer program, not with their website. They have > > also told me that they don't support Macintosh-like operating systems (I > > guess that's what they consider "Linux on i686" to be) and I need to > > contact my "non-windows tech support." > > They swear that there is a RealPlayer setting that will make it work > > right, but of course they won't tell me what it is because that would be > > giving free tech support or something like that. Does anyone know how to > > make it work, or are they full of crap? > > Oh yeah...and I tried opening the .exe with wine and winex, and neither of > > them liked it one bit. Not a big surprise. > > Huh...guess my sig even applies here... > > > > ------------- > > Justin Kremer > > > > > Your problem might be similar this. > > http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2003/0317.barr_p.html > > _______________________________________________ Maybe there should be Rednex a linux distro for Nascar fans. -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with e-mail forwarding for only US$5.95/yr Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Mar 19 11:02:56 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BMG music samples Message-ID: I don't know if there are any other BMG members out there, but if there are, maybe you can help me out here. I have been in contact with BMG's tech support regarding their website, and all of their links to listen to their music samples are links to a .exe file on another website, and then something pointing the .exe at a .ra file. I have been complaining that I have no way to open the .exe file on my computer as I am a non-windows user (and their website claims to support Macintosh and Linux) and they have twice now told me that the problem is with my RealPlayer program, not with their website. They have also told me that they don't support Macintosh-like operating systems (I guess that's what they consider "Linux on i686" to be) and I need to contact my "non-windows tech support." They swear that there is a RealPlayer setting that will make it work right, but of course they won't tell me what it is because that would be giving free tech support or something like that. Does anyone know how to make it work, or are they full of crap? Oh yeah...and I tried opening the .exe with wine and winex, and neither of them liked it one bit. Not a big surprise. Huh...guess my sig even applies here... ------------- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Mar 20 09:56:29 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BMG music samples Message-ID: No, I am sure a number of people don't buy CDs from them for that reason. I am among that number. They are not the same organization, and the 'loss of focus' shows. :-/ >>> daret@linuxmail.org 03/20/03 08:40AM >>> From: "David Phillips" > Justin Haaheim writes: > > Amazon lets you preview most of its cd's. > Amazon bought cdnow.com and made it garbage in the process. cdnow.com used > to have samples available in MPEG format. Now they only have Windows Media > and Real Audio formats. Thanks to this, I will no longer buy CDs from them. Oooh, the wrath of one. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 19 12:33:53 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: Install Fest? **was** Re: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 In-Reply-To: <1048091913.3608.14.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1048091913.3608.14.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <200303191233.53142@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 19 March 2003 10:38 am, Chris Frederick wrote: > Red Hat and Mandrake are also within a few weeks of their next releases, > along with a lot of other distros that are showing some significant > activity as of late. So does this mean there [will/should] be an > Install Fest coming up soon? Just thought I'd ask for those of us with > tight schedules that may need a little advance warning. It always comes down to finding a place with enough space and electrical power. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Mar 20 11:27:09 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <52964.63.137.56.228.1048106618.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <52964.63.137.56.228.1048106618.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <15993.63981.155750.557975@tsathoggua.mydomain> waynej@dccmn.com writes: > One problem I've seen is that there are some cheaper network cards, video > cards, sound cards, etc. that are not supported on Linux. You might want > to check the redhat hardware list (http://hardware.redhat.com) before you > buy something. > > We bought several high power PCs with HighPoint IDE Raid chips on them > (even though HighPoint claimed Linux compatibility), only to find the > Linux drivers were only for an old release. > > Generally the brand names, though more expensive, are more likely to give > less hassles. I had good luck with a gateway, using a strategy someone suggested --- take a bootable linux distro (Knoppix) to the store. Boot. Play with it a little and see if it works. Seems to have mostly worked for me (but APM turns out not to work very well :-(). R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Mar 20 00:01:13 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman-2.1 stable? References: <200303191226.32024@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <0f5201c2eea6$1cb63440$0201a8c0@brinstar> Bob Tanner writes: > Is mailman-2.1 stable? > > The mailman-devel list is on fire with bug reports, thus the reason I > have not upgraded tclug-[list|announce|devel]. > > Anyone using it and care to comment? I don't have much experience with mailman, but here is my take on mailing list managers: ezmlm is the best mailing list manager available. It is very powerful, easy to use, fast, stable, reliable and secure. You can setup a mailing list with a single command. ezmlm is used to run some very large lists, including the PHP and MySQL mailing list. http://cr.yp.to/ezmlm.html And speaking of mailing lists, Reply-To munging should be avoided: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Mar 19 22:23:18 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <200303192158.03752.jack@jacku.com> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <200303192158.03752.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <53481.192.168.0.3.1048134198.squirrel@192.168.0.3> > For regulars of this list the following distribution suggestion will > come as no suprise: SuSE, but if the timing works for you I'd wait > about a month. SuSE 8.2 is due out April 12th. According to a recent > interview on Newsforge with SuSE US honcho Holger Dyroff they've done a > lot of work in the new version on making it more usefull and attractive > to the home user. Including better support for "non-standard" hardware. Agreed, my first attempt at linux on my PIII was Mandrake, that went horribly, then I tried Debian, but I just wasn't ready. :) Finally I tried SuSE and it worked well. I'm slowly leaning towards Debian as my distro of choice now, but SuSE was great for starting out... In the actual cheesy words of SuSE: Have a lot of fun. Josh > As far as getting a system is concerned I bought a Case/MB/RAM combo > from Tran last fall as an upgrade and I'm very happy with it. You can > find info at www.tranmicro.com. > > Jack > > > On Wednesday March 19, 2003 1:35 pm, cxobert wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I am new to this list, and new to Linux. >> >> I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd >> just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what >> it's like. >> >> I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what >> distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my >> machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done >> some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use >> feedback from experienced users. >> >> So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Charlie Obert >> cxobert@goldengate.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Mar 19 10:24:31 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 Message-ID: <52486.192.168.0.3.1048091071.squirrel@192.168.0.3> >> .... has been officially (though rather quietly) released: >> >> http://slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 d/kernel-headers-2.4.20-i386-5.tgz: Patched ptrace related headers. k/kernel-source-2.4.20-noarch-5.tgz: Patched kmod/ptrace hole. The kernel module loader in Linux kernel 2.2.x before 2.2.25, and 2.4.x before 2.4.20, allows local users to gain root privileges by using ptrace to attach to a child process that is spawned by the kernel. For additional information and references, see: http://slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 Wow, they're quick! This kernel vulnerability patch was just posted on Monday. Hope they tested it. :) Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From daret at linuxmail.org Thu Mar 20 08:40:23 2003 From: daret at linuxmail.org (dare t) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BMG music samples Message-ID: <20030320144023.18260.qmail@linuxmail.org> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Phillips" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:47:20 -0600 To: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] BMG music samples > Justin Haaheim writes: > > Amazon lets you preview most of its cd's. > > Amazon bought cdnow.com and made it garbage in the process. cdnow.com used > to have samples available in MPEG format. Now they only have Windows Media > and Real Audio formats. Thanks to this, I will no longer buy CDs from them. > > (Though, I haven't bought many CDs recently. I bought most of my CDs when > Napster was around, since it was easy to see which CDs were worth buying.) > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > Oooh, the wrath of one. -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with e-mail forwarding for only US$5.95/yr Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 20 13:10:20 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mirrors.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20030320180350.GN2338@real-time.com> References: <20030320172703.GA26902@real-time.com> <20030320173227.GA12547@iucha.net> <20030320180350.GN2338@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200303201310.20137@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 20 March 2003 12:03 pm, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 11:32:27AM -0600, Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net) wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 11:27:03AM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > Anyone know what's up with mirrors.kernel.org? It's been down all week > > > :( > > > > See the attached message. > > Thank you. This is current right up to the point where the brought the main mirror(s) down: ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/pub/linux/kernel/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 18 11:53:42 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318111559.023cae28@mail.citilink.com> References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20030318111559.023cae28@mail.citilink.com> Message-ID: <3E775D26.8060405@gac.edu> How would I use this to _browse_ the lan that I'm on? I can mount individual network shares from individual computers using samba or smb://host/share in konqueror, but is there a way that I can retrieve a list of all the computers on the network and browse through that to get to an individual computer? How would I do this? justin Patrick McCabe wrote: > kde3.0 has a LAN browser function under Services in the navigation panel > of Konqueror. You need to have kdenetwork3-lisa installed. > > Patrick McCabe > > At 09:56 AM 3/18/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >> Depending on technical you want to get, you can use smbclient itself. >> read >> the man page for more info. Otherwise, Konqueror itself should have the >> functionality built in for kde3.1 (use the uri smb://host/share ). >> You might >> also check out komba2 or gnomba. a search on Freshmeat will likely >> turn up a >> bunch of results. >> >> Jay > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 18 11:53:42 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318111559.023cae28@mail.citilink.com> References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20030318111559.023cae28@mail.citilink.com> Message-ID: <3E775D26.8060405@gac.edu> How would I use this to _browse_ the lan that I'm on? I can mount individual network shares from individual computers using samba or smb://host/share in konqueror, but is there a way that I can retrieve a list of all the computers on the network and browse through that to get to an individual computer? How would I do this? justin Patrick McCabe wrote: > kde3.0 has a LAN browser function under Services in the navigation panel > of Konqueror. You need to have kdenetwork3-lisa installed. > > Patrick McCabe > > At 09:56 AM 3/18/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >> Depending on technical you want to get, you can use smbclient itself. >> read >> the man page for more info. Otherwise, Konqueror itself should have the >> functionality built in for kde3.1 (use the uri smb://host/share ). >> You might >> also check out komba2 or gnomba. a search on Freshmeat will likely >> turn up a >> bunch of results. >> >> Jay > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Mar 19 12:08:35 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BMG music samples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303191208.35215.list@slushpupie.com> The problem may simply be a mime issue.. there are a few webservers out there that shall go unnamed that sometimes let the client figure out the content-type on its own. Try renameing the file to .ram or whatever realplayer uses and see if that loads. Its kinda like when you use a .shtml extention on apache but forget to add the handlers in the config (it prompts users to download the file, instead of displaying it) Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gmcdavid at attbi.com Wed Mar 19 09:16:35 2003 From: gmcdavid at attbi.com (gmcdavid@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 Message-ID: .... has been officially (though rather quietly) released: http://slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@attbi.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Tue Mar 18 18:56:18 2003 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] upgrading php with rpms In-Reply-To: <3139.66.103.175.10.1048023394.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1048016311.16167.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3139.66.103.175.10.1048023394.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20030319005618.GA12527@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 03:36:34PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > > When this happens I go to rpmseek.com or even simpler check out > > red-carpet from ximian.com. > > > Thanks. I might be wrong, but I don't see any php-4.2.x rpms on the redhat > site for 7.1. They do have them for 7.3-8.0. I might just try to upgrade to > 8.0. Never done this before. Will there be any issues if I have un- > installed rpms, and re-installed with src files for sendmail, and apache? > I suggest you upgrade your 7.1 system to 7.3. It is very stable and Red Hat's upgrade process will work smoothly from 7.1 to 7.3. I am running 8.0, but I installed from scratch. As for your upgrades from source - Red Hat won't know about them, so you are best off saving them to a backup, then reinstalling if necessary. By that I mean, maybe you simply need to use the Red Hat sendmail and apache, with your config file changes. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@linuxforbusiness.net Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 http://www.linuxforbusiness.net --- If we don't follow our leaders blindly then we may never be free. -- Frank Burns (MASH) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Mar 13 02:18:11 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quick off topic squid question References: <33398.204.220.56.4.1047499519.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <007101c2e939$161cf780$0201a8c0@brinstar> Raymond Norton writes: > I need to import 200+ users into my squidpass file > /etc/squid/squidpass. I want to set the password to "password". Once > done I have chpasswd.cgi set up for users to change their password. You didn't say where you wanted to import the users from. I'm assuming that you need to import them from /etc/passwd. This is easy to do with a bit of shell scripting. The following imports all users that have a UID of at least 1000: touch /etc/squid/squidpass for i in $(cat /etc/passwd | cut -d':' -f 1,3 | \ sort -n -t':' -k 2 | grep -E '[0-9]{4}' | cut -d':' -f 1); do \ htpasswd -b /etc/squid/squidpass $i "password"; done Note that while this will work on most systems, it is not the correct method of getting password entries. The correct method is to use getpwnam(3) or getpwent(3). -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Mar 19 11:49:38 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BMG music samples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E78ADB2.1030300@gac.edu> I'm a member of bmg, but I only use it to get the 16 cd's for around $60. I would be willing to bet that there's no good, viable option for linux users on the site now, and that there won't be for a while. I guess linux-mac users just don't like music, or there would be a way for them to sample it, right? Anyway, if I were you, I would go through amazon.com or a similar site. Amazon lets you preview most of its cd's. hope this helps justin Justin Kremer wrote: > I don't know if there are any other BMG members out there, but if there > are, maybe you can help me out here. > I have been in contact with BMG's tech support regarding their website, > and all of their links to listen to their music samples are links to a > .exe file on another website, and then something pointing the .exe at a > .ra file. I have been complaining that I have no way to open the .exe > file on my computer as I am a non-windows user (and their website claims > to support Macintosh and Linux) and they have twice now told me that the > problem is with my RealPlayer program, not with their website. They have > also told me that they don't support Macintosh-like operating systems (I > guess that's what they consider "Linux on i686" to be) and I need to > contact my "non-windows tech support." > They swear that there is a RealPlayer setting that will make it work > right, but of course they won't tell me what it is because that would be > giving free tech support or something like that. Does anyone know how to > make it work, or are they full of crap? > Oh yeah...and I tried opening the .exe with wine and winex, and neither of > them liked it one bit. Not a big surprise. > Huh...guess my sig even applies here... > > ------------- > Justin Kremer > > "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, > But glittering prizes and endless compromises > Shatter the illusion of integrity." > - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Mar 18 13:57:33 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] upgrading php with rpms In-Reply-To: <019c01c2ed37$84b2a6c0$050710ac@DELL2> References: <63936.209.98.213.140.1047865511.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <001801c2ec2d$814e21e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <019c01c2ed37$84b2a6c0$050710ac@DELL2> Message-ID: <1048016311.16167.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> When this happens I go to rpmseek.com or even simpler check out red-carpet from ximian.com. Brady > I am running redhat 7.1 with php-4.0.x. I need to upgrade to php-4.2.x. I > get a list of about 18 missing deps. What would be the best way to upgrade > without causing other problems for my server. I'm not sure which deps or > conflicts are an issue for other programs on the server. > > > Raymond > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Phillips" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Webalizer Master Stats > > > > Mark Courtney writes: > > > I've got each virtual domain's stats working alright and I've created > > > a CustomLog for each virtual that goes into a master request log for > > > all the domains. The problem is that Webalizer is using url's > > > relative to / for the stats, so everything that goes into the master > > > request log seems like it's from the same domain. > > > > You need a way to separate each virtual domain in the logs. Logging to a > > single file is best for performance, so you should keep it that way. What > > you want to do is prepend the hostname to each entry in the log file. > > > > To do this with Apache, copy the "combined" LogFormat directive and name > it > > vcombined. Add "%V " to the front the log format and set > "UseCanonicalName" > > to "no". Then set your CustomLog lines to use the "vcombined" format. > > > > When you want to generate stats, you split the log files out by hostname. > > I've attached a program called logsplit to do this. It outputs separate > > files for each hostname. Pipe your log file into it. Then process the > log > > file for each hostname separately. See question 17 of the Webalizer FAQ > for > > more info. > > > > -- > > David Phillips > > http://david.acz.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Mar 18 15:36:34 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] upgrading php with rpms In-Reply-To: <1048016311.16167.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1048016311.16167.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3139.66.103.175.10.1048023394.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > When this happens I go to rpmseek.com or even simpler check out > red-carpet from ximian.com. > Thanks. I might be wrong, but I don't see any php-4.2.x rpms on the redhat site for 7.1. They do have them for 7.3-8.0. I might just try to upgrade to 8.0. Never done this before. Will there be any issues if I have un- installed rpms, and re-installed with src files for sendmail, and apache? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Mar 18 11:55:52 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg listings inconsistant In-Reply-To: <1048006620.5971.39.camel@magnum.bgea.org> References: <1048006620.5971.39.camel@magnum.bgea.org> Message-ID: <20030318175552.GB20417@fandre.com> Google is your friend. http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/packaging.htm More specifically, apt-get install dpkg-awk dpkg-awk "Status: .* installed$" -- Package | cut -d: -f2 On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, John Hawley wrote: > Say, a silly little question to the Debian gurus. > > Anyone know why my dpkg listing fields get truncated when I direct the > output to a file? This is from xterm running in a bash shell. I'd like > to be able to have a copy of the current package listing for all my > servers and its irritating to see the package names or version number > cut off. > > > root@rho1:cgi-bin# dpkg --list 'communicator* > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold > | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed > |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) > ||/ Name Version Description > +++-====================================-====================================-======================================================================================== > ii communicator 4.77-2 Meta package that depends on other packages > ii communicator-base-477 4.77-2 Communicator base support for version 4.77 > un communicator-browser-477 (no description available) > un communicator-nethelp-477 (no description available) > ii communicator-smotif-477 4.77-2 Netscape Communicator 4.77 (static Motif) > un communicator-spellchk-477 (no description available) > root@rho1:cgi-bin# dpkg --list 'communicator*' > dpkg.lst > root@rho1:cgi-bin# cat dpkg.lst > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold > | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed > |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) > ||/ Name Version Description > +++-==============-==============-============================================ > ii communicator 4.77-2 Meta package that depends on other packages > ii communicator-b 4.77-2 Communicator base support for version 4.77 > un communicator-b (no description available) > un communicator-n (no description available) > ii communicator-s 4.77-2 Netscape Communicator 4.77 (static Motif) > un communicator-s (no description available) > > > > -- > John Hawley > BGEA/ITS > Network Engineer > 612.335.1334 > jhawley@bgea.org -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Tue Mar 18 10:01:11 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered In-Reply-To: <200303180956.50063.list@slushpupie.com> References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <200303180956.50063.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20030318160110.GF1965@mnsdev3> On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 09:56:50AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > Depending on technical you want to get, you can use smbclient itself. read > the man page for more info. Otherwise, Konqueror itself should have the > functionality built in for kde3.1 (use the uri smb://host/share ). You might > also check out komba2 or gnomba. a search on Freshmeat will likely turn up a > bunch of results. I can recommend komba2 from previous use. Mounting a partition is easy with it and you can make it tell you which command line you'd have to use to do it with mount/smbclient I believe. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Tue Mar 18 10:50:21 2003 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Webalizer Master Stats In-Reply-To: <62167.209.98.213.140.1047949872.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <63936.209.98.213.140.1047865511.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <001801c2ec2d$814e21e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <62167.209.98.213.140.1047949872.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20030318165021.GB4920@sherohman.org> On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 07:11:12PM -0600, Mark Courtney wrote: > Thanks for the program, Daved, although when I piped the log file to it, I > never got the multiple files. It's still not exactly what I'm looking for > though. The "%V" option is a start. I would like a "master" log that > contains all the requests made to Apache. The part that I'm finding > difficult with Webalizer is making a report something like: > > Top 16 of 36 Total URLs > > # Hits URL > 1 16 www.domain-x.com/ > 2 32 www.domain-z.org/missing.html > 3 64 www.other-domain.net/logo.png In theory... I suspect that you could start with the log-with-vhost suggested earlier, but then, instead of using the script presented earlier to break it out into per-vhost logs, you could write a script which prepends the vhost (and a leading slash) to the request URI. Write this to a file and run webalizer on that file; it won't be have a clue that it's looking at anything other than a normal log file, so it should work fine. But I haven't actually done it, so the necessary script is left as an exercise for the reader. Should be pretty simple, though. -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Mar 18 10:07:19 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered In-Reply-To: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1564.66.103.175.10.1048003639.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > My last e-mail about this went unanswered. I'll try again. > > I'm just trying to set up windows network browsing through linux. I'm > running redhat8 and kde3.1, and I'd like to be able to browse through > my campus' worgroups and computers. I'm going for functionality > similar to windows' network neighborhood. What is available for > linux? I wasn't able to get much useful info from google. www.samba.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at bgea.org Tue Mar 18 13:41:22 2003 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg listings inconsistant In-Reply-To: <20030318175810.GC20417@fandre.com> References: <1048006620.5971.39.camel@magnum.bgea.org> <20030318175552.GB20417@fandre.com> <20030318175810.GC20417@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1048016482.5976.50.camel@magnum.bgea.org> On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 11:58, Clay Fandre wrote: > Or > export COLUMNS=200; dpkg --list 'communicator*' > exactly. Thanks. Guess I didn't google hard enough. ~jh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030318/6e1dc38a/attachment.htm From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 17 11:37:53 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] All patch panels created equal? In-Reply-To: <200303162248.36743.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > ... I suspect not. > > I need to get a 48-port patch panel that supports Cat 5E. Are there > some particular brands I should either seek or avoid as I browse eBay? I've had great luck with Leviton gear. I actually haven't had any problems with el-cheapo patch panels, either.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Mar 12 13:53:23 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT more about ssh, win32 platform In-Reply-To: <200303121131.43083@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E6F605A.9010104@cleosci.com> <200303121131.43083@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1047498803.25320.26.camel@kremer> Sort of on the same topic, I am having issues with my computer at work. I have recently been forced to join my networked computer to a W2K Domain, which sucks majorly, and now as part of the logon, my system has an H: drive (network drive) which seems to be set as some sort of a home-ish directory. When i run cmd, it starts in H: and putty and OpenSSH always want to drop their user configuration files there. That's incredibly annoying to me because I want my configuration files for things like that stored locally. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I've done some searching on the internet, but I don't know what Microsoft calls that kind of stuff and the words I use to describe it are very general terms which don't turn up anything even remotely useful to me. I've spent hours scouring my registry for something that looks suspect. I don't dare ask the IS guys who control my network this question because they'll just tell me to go f*** myself. If they were allowed to COMPLETELY have their way, then encryption, linux, and pretty much anything not spoonfed to them by their Microsoft sales rep, would probably not be allowed in the building. And MCSE's probably wouldn't be allowed either, because anyone with one of those might know how to break their precious network. Sorry for the vent. I'm frustrated. -- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Tue Mar 18 13:40:19 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flickering Screen In-Reply-To: <1047953087.2607.15.camel@ix.norsemen.org> References: <1047953087.2607.15.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: <20030318194019.GJ1965@mnsdev3> On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 08:04:47PM -0600, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > I have a question. I have an older Sony Muliscan 20se. Just recently, > the screen has started to flicker heavily. I can shut off the monitor > and turn it on which will resolve the issue for about five minutes. Now > this only occurs under X (The video card is a Matrox G450 with RedHat > 8.0/KDE). If I am at a basic terminal then there is no flicker, nor > under Windows 2000 (for when I have to dual-boot in order to do that > Office thang). Is X just pushing my old monitor more than the other > two? I have a G450 and Hitachi 19" combo. I've had problems like that before running at 1600x1200 where I could only get X to run it in 88Hz, but windows would happily run in the same resolution at 90Hz. Initially this gave me no problems, but suddenly the OSD would stop working when I was in X, to the point that it didn't work until I rebooted and went into windows. Then it would work for a while (in X) and it happened all over again. I had the monitor serviced as COMPUSSR wouldn't take it back after 14 days (long story short, compussr was the only place I could get the specific monitor I wanted at) of use. Took them forever to get it back to me, but it worked fine until about 3 months ago. Now it's starting to flicker when I turn it on (so bad I sometimes have to slap it to make it go away), and it's a real PITA. I have a feeling the reason why everything worked in Windows back then was because of the driver supplied by Hitachi. I wonder if someone could actually use the manufactor supplied monitor information file (for windows) to create an X config that really reflects the monitor's capabilities. Could be an interesting project. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Mar 18 09:26:26 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <3E771F84.70802@haxxed.com> References: <3853.204.220.62.130.1047413980.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <3E771F84.70802@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <53904.198.74.20.77.1048001186.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > Not to mention reducing system load. Spamassassin was taking a good 30 > seconds with the CPU pegged at 100% per message on my old P133 server. I > feared what would happen if I got a ton of mail and bumped spamassasin > to the bottom of my procmailrc, after all my mailing lists. > > I imagine spamassasin must have some scaling issues on really busy > servers, even with far faster CPU's... use spamd, the spamassassin daemon.... designed and created for exactly this reason! you can even have it on a remote "spamcheck" server Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Mar 18 09:56:50 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered In-Reply-To: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303180956.50063.list@slushpupie.com> Depending on technical you want to get, you can use smbclient itself. read the man page for more info. Otherwise, Konqueror itself should have the functionality built in for kde3.1 (use the uri smb://host/share ). You might also check out komba2 or gnomba. a search on Freshmeat will likely turn up a bunch of results. Jay On Tuesday 18 March 2003 9:48 am, Justin Haaheim wrote: > My last e-mail about this went unanswered. I'll try again. > > I'm just trying to set up windows network browsing through linux. I'm > running redhat8 and kde3.1, and I'd like to be able to browse through my > campus' worgroups and computers. I'm going for functionality similar to > windows' network neighborhood. What is available for linux? I wasn't > able to get much useful info from google. > > thanks > justin > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Sat Mar 15 14:31:53 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mount same partition in OSX, Linux, and maybe WinME? Message-ID: <54677850.0D23F731.09BD8409@aol.com> How should I go about formating a partition (such as my /home partition) so that I can mount it (read AND write) in both Mac OS X and Linux, and perhaps, if possible maybe even Windows VirtualPC. However, I doubt that's possible. I can't find any helpful resources on the net about it. -Nick Stolley _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From foeclan at visi.com Sat Mar 15 14:30:39 2003 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware init script question In-Reply-To: <1925722016.20030315010551@toughguy.net> References: <1925722016.20030315010551@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <3E738D6F.5050807@visi.com> There's an rc.sysvinit in /etc/rc.d on Slackware, specifically to run scripts written for system V. It might work for what you need. Here's the comment at the head of it: # rc.sysvinit This file provides basic compatibility with SystemV style # startup scripts. The SystemV style init system places # start/stop scripts for each runlevel into directories such as # /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/ (for runlevel 3) instead of starting them # from /etc/rc.d/rc.M. This makes for a lot more init scripts, # and a more complicated execution path to follow through if # something goes wrong. For this reason, Slackware has always # used the traditional BSD style init script layout. # # However, many binary packages exist that install SystemV # init scripts. With rc.sysvinit in place, most well-written # startup scripts will work. This is primarily intended to # support commercial software, though, and probably shouldn't # be considered bug free. # -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com B_o_B wrote: >Saturday, March 15, 2003 @ 12:44:54 AM Central Standard Time > >Hello, and a good day to you all. I have been setting up the >Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO from the Linux Docs Project on a >Slackware 8.1 box. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO.html > >The instructions are based on using Red Hat & Suse. > >I am stumped when the instructions reference having services >automatically start at boot time. > >example: > >You may wish to start MySQL automatically at boottime, copy >/usr/local/mysql/share/mysql/mysql.server to /etc/init.d/ for SuSE, for Redhat it is /etc/rc.d/init.d instead of /etc/init.d/. Further you need to add symbolic links to /etc/init.d/rc3.d for SuSE and /etc/rc.d/rc3.d for Redhat. > >SuSe - /etc.init.d >redhat - /etc/rc.d/init.d >slackware - /etc/rc.d ????? >--- >Suse - /etc/init.d/rc3.d/ >redhat - /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/ >slackware - /etc/rc.d ????? > >also would the symbolic links also be put in /etc/rc.d ???? > >Anyone familiar with Slackware, I appreciate the help. > >Many Thanks, > >Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >West Longitude 90' 15' 43" >http://b-o-b.homelinux.com >mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Mar 11 22:31:00 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <010301c2e80c$00a2dc40$6501a8c0@tom> References: <010301c2e80c$00a2dc40$6501a8c0@tom> Message-ID: <1169.192.1.1.15.1047443460.squirrel@dccmn.com> > What is the best way to setup a VPN with Open Source software? I have > read about freeSwan but is there other options? I use to use Freeswan, but it's dependency on kernel patches (yea, I'm lazy) and complication makes it a pain. Of late I've been doing ppp connections via ssh. Cheap and easy. If you want, you can set it up to do connect on demand wich adds a bit more security. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Sun Mar 16 19:45:11 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Webalizer Master Stats Message-ID: <63936.209.98.213.140.1047865511.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I'm trying to use Webalizer to create stats for each of my virtual domains and master stats for all of my domains together. Webalizer link: http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/ I've got each virtual domain's stats working alright and I've created a CustomLog for each virtual that goes into a master request log for all the domains. The problem is that Webalizer is using url's relative to / for the stats, so everything that goes into the master request log seems like it's from the same domain. Does anybody know if Webalizer is even capable of doing such a feat? and if so, any pointers would be cool. I'd also be open to other OSS stats packages that would accomplish the same task. Thanks for your input. Mark Courtney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Mar 17 08:21:58 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cipe Message-ID: Anyone use this? Upsides? Downsides? Risks? Especially the version that comes with Red Hat 7.3 (cipe-1.4.5-9) or 8.0 (cipe-1.4.5-11). Troy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Mar 16 20:32:50 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Webalizer Master Stats References: <63936.209.98.213.140.1047865511.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <001801c2ec2d$814e21e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Mark Courtney writes: > I've got each virtual domain's stats working alright and I've created > a CustomLog for each virtual that goes into a master request log for > all the domains. The problem is that Webalizer is using url's > relative to / for the stats, so everything that goes into the master > request log seems like it's from the same domain. You need a way to separate each virtual domain in the logs. Logging to a single file is best for performance, so you should keep it that way. What you want to do is prepend the hostname to each entry in the log file. To do this with Apache, copy the "combined" LogFormat directive and name it vcombined. Add "%V " to the front the log format and set "UseCanonicalName" to "no". Then set your CustomLog lines to use the "vcombined" format. When you want to generate stats, you split the log files out by hostname. I've attached a program called logsplit to do this. It outputs separate files for each hostname. Pipe your log file into it. Then process the log file for each hostname separately. See question 17 of the Webalizer FAQ for more info. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Are there some particular brands I should either seek or avoid as I browse eBay? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Mon Mar 17 20:04:47 2003 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flickering Screen Message-ID: <1047953087.2607.15.camel@ix.norsemen.org> I have a question. I have an older Sony Muliscan 20se. Just recently, the screen has started to flicker heavily. I can shut off the monitor and turn it on which will resolve the issue for about five minutes. Now this only occurs under X (The video card is a Matrox G450 with RedHat 8.0/KDE). If I am at a basic terminal then there is no flicker, nor under Windows 2000 (for when I have to dual-boot in order to do that Office thang). Is X just pushing my old monitor more than the other two? Thoughts? Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 18 09:48:57 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered Message-ID: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> My last e-mail about this went unanswered. I'll try again. I'm just trying to set up windows network browsing through linux. I'm running redhat8 and kde3.1, and I'd like to be able to browse through my campus' worgroups and computers. I'm going for functionality similar to windows' network neighborhood. What is available for linux? I wasn't able to get much useful info from google. thanks justin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sun Mar 16 21:54:27 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Your classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <20030317035427.GA19501@fandre.com> I am forwarding this message to the list since there are probably a few new members that aren't aware that there is a classifieds section on the website. So remember to check it out periodically, because you never know what someone is wanting to get rid of. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi ----- Forwarded message ----- Nathan Pruett, Your classified ad at was placed Sun Mar 16 20:10:24 2003. Your add will run for 14 days. Name: Nathan Pruett Email: nate@javaranch.com Subject: Miscellaneous Stuff... Ad: I'm moving to a smaller place and I have to clear out some miscellaneous extra computer stuff I have. If you have any questions or want to get anything, send an email to nate@javaranch.com Most of this stuff was just going to be donated to Goodwill, but I figured I'd give you guys first shot at anything you might want. Empty baby-AT case with power supply - $5 OBO Acer 640U Flatbed Scanner (USB) - $10 OBO The following items are free : Miscellaneous power/telephone/printer cables, adapters, etc. Computer speakers 16x CDROM drive SVGA card Logitech pagescan Also computer books, for $1 each OBO (Some are old, so I'd be willing to just give them away ): Linux/UNIX books- Linux At Work UNIX Primer Plus UNIX System Programming The UNIX System Guidebook Using UNIX by Example Java Developing Java Servlets Java Programming With CORBA Core Servlets and Java Server Pages Java 2 Complete The Official Visibroker for Java Handbook Windows Windows Programming with Custom Controls COM/DCOM Primer Plus Advanced Visual C++ 4 Active Server Pages 2.0 Direct 3D Professional Reference 3D Graphics Programming for Windows 95 Other/Misc Getting Started in Computer Consulting JavaScript 1.1 Developers Guide Virtus VRML Toolkit Network Protocol Handbook Database Processing Computer Systems Process and Design Operating Systems Concepts I've also got some furniture and stuff, but I won't go into detail about it here, since it's not computer related. Just email me (nate@javaranch.com) if you're interested in buying or just picking up anything (I live south of Minneapolis in Eagan, if anyone's wondering how far they'd have to drive to pick anything up.) Thanks, -Nate To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi If you would like to delete or change this add, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi and use Email: nate@javaranch.com Password: 188509 (please save this email in case you need to delete or modify your ad) Thank you, TCLUG Classifieds ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Tue Mar 18 07:30:44 2003 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:44 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <3853.204.220.62.130.1047413980.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <3853.204.220.62.130.1047413980.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <3E771F84.70802@haxxed.com> Raymond Norton wrote: >>Behold the power of spamassassin...guess I _could_ whitelist tclug, but >>some people deserve it. :) So here's your spamassassin results, so that >>sender has a chance to correct things if they choose to do so. > > > I would add it to your whitelist. The majority of mail I get from this > group is marked as spam. Not to mention reducing system load. Spamassassin was taking a good 30 seconds with the CPU pegged at 100% per message on my old P133 server. I feared what would happen if I got a ton of mail and bumped spamassasin to the bottom of my procmailrc, after all my mailing lists. I imagine spamassasin must have some scaling issues on really busy servers, even with far faster CPU's... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at bgea.org Tue Mar 18 13:41:22 2003 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg listings inconsistant In-Reply-To: <20030318175810.GC20417@fandre.com> References: <1048006620.5971.39.camel@magnum.bgea.org> <20030318175552.GB20417@fandre.com> <20030318175810.GC20417@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1048016482.5976.50.camel@magnum.bgea.org> On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 11:58, Clay Fandre wrote: > Or > export COLUMNS=200; dpkg --list 'communicator*' > exactly. Thanks. Guess I didn't google hard enough. ~jh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't find any helpful resources on the net about it. > >-Nick Stolley > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Mar 14 18:48:08 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best distro install for old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM In-Reply-To: <20030314233340.ECCD1813D@corb.mc.mpls.visi.com> References: <3E7206BC.7030001@gac.edu> <1047660385.3e72076121625@webmail.cloudnet.com> <200303141352.49921.jspinti@dartdist.com> <20030314233340.ECCD1813D@corb.mc.mpls.visi.com> Message-ID: <1215.192.168.0.5.1047689288.squirrel@192.168.0.3> > What would be the best, current and easiest Linux distribution to use > (including X Windows) on an old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM? For a small system like this I would recommend Debian, just built it on an old 486 w/o X, no problems at all. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.org Sat Mar 15 21:47:20 2003 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sony handhelds In-Reply-To: <3E73E2A6.7060904@gac.edu>; from jhaahei2@gac.edu on Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 08:34:14PM -0600 References: <3E73E2A6.7060904@gac.edu> Message-ID: <20030315214720.B8326@lemongecko.org> On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 at 08:34PM -0600, Justin Haaheim wrote: > Do any of you have experience with sony handheld sync-ing support in > linux I have an SJ-30. I had to mess around some to get it working, but haven't had any other problems. You'll have to have the "visor" kernel module loaded. The pilot-link package supports the Clie. I couldn't get coldsync to work, but maybe a more recent version works better. > or do any of you know of resources for this? No, but I'm sure Google does. :) Dan -- | DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 | | Dan Drake | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030315/f3324aee/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Mar 15 00:32:56 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Certificate Authority? In-Reply-To: References: <200303071303.20119@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030315063256.GK32189@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 05:01:01PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > Since nobody else volunteered, i did it myself. Get your Certificate > Requests signed by the TWin Cities Linux Users Group Certificate Authority > by emailing tclugca@redconcepts.net Why? Real Time uses their own cert for the various different sites, other people are using their own self signed certs.. the only reason to change that is to use a 'bigger' central authority (such as thawte) without having to pay the fee for what costs them nothing, creating yet another half-assed mini-group is useless. I did point out the site http://www.cacert.org, which was created for this exact purpose, they do not charge for certificates, and once you approve their root cert, you won't get those annoying warnings in your web browser/email client/software downloads. It's as easy as clicking on the link, then clicking OK. It's also useless for you to be signing certificates if you aren't providing a root certificate, people might as well self-sign. > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sat Mar 15 02:20:42 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware init script question In-Reply-To: <1925722016.20030315010551@toughguy.net>; from chewbaka@toughguy.net on Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 01:05:51AM -0600 References: <1925722016.20030315010551@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20030315022042.A22097@thinkunix.net> B_o_B wrote: > Hello, and a good day to you all. I have been setting up the > Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO from the Linux Docs Project on a > Slackware 8.1 box. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO.html > The instructions are based on using Red Hat & Suse. > > I am stumped when the instructions reference having services > automatically start at boot time. most distros use SystemV style init scripts, thus the /etc/init.d directory (scripts actually live there) and the /etc/rc?.d directories just contain start or stop symlinks. the idea is things are more orderly started and shutdown, and you can re-run scripts as needed to stop/re-start a service. Slackware uses BSD style boot scripts. all scripts live in /etc/rc.d. all you have to do is create your start/stop scripts there and just call them from /etc/rc.d/rc.local. Most of slackware's rc scripts support start and stop arguments now so you can rerun them as needed to restart a service. there's a pretty good description of how this all works on the slackware site: http://slackware.com/config/init.php If you need more help, email me off list. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Mar 14 10:46:25 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (lxy@cloudnet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get for redhat8 In-Reply-To: <3E7206BC.7030001@gac.edu> References: <3E7206BC.7030001@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1047660385.3e72076121625@webmail.cloudnet.com> Quoting Justin Haaheim : > I'm trying to set up apt-get for redhat8 to take care of updating more > parts of my system. What packages do you guys use apt-get for? would > you guys mind sending me a copy of your source.list file so I can see > how it's set up? feel free to e-mail me off the list (jhaahei2@gac.edu) I am curious what people add as well. I just use the default from freshrpms, but I think Real Time has an apt-ified mirror. What do we need to add to sources.list to poll form there? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Mar 13 17:28:28 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <20030313195103.GG5213@sherohman.org> References: <200303111552.25129@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030313052755.GD32189@techmonkeys.org> <200303131222.24275.tanner@real-time.com> <20030313195103.GG5213@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20030313232828.GF32189@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 01:51:03PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > 20_ratware.cf:header RATWARE_GROUPMAIL ALL =~ /Group Mail/ > ^^^^^^ > It's a header test. The problem is with > > List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List > > The old footer should not have been a problem. Erp, that's right, the footer problem was a previous issue I had =) Same problem though. > -- > The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the > White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that > we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. > - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) > -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Mar 14 18:09:02 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best distro install for old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM In-Reply-To: <20030314233340.ECCD1813D@corb.mc.mpls.visi.com> References: <3E7206BC.7030001@gac.edu> <1047660385.3e72076121625@webmail.cloudnet.com> <200303141352.49921.jspinti@dartdist.com> <20030314233340.ECCD1813D@corb.mc.mpls.visi.com> Message-ID: <20030314180901.A5825@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 05:36:43PM -0600, Mark wrote: > What would be the best, current and easiest Linux distribution to use > (including X Windows) on an old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM? Debian. Recent versions of Red Hat, Mandrake, etc. will be hard to squeeze into those constraints. With Debian you can start from a base system and work up from there. You should be able to fit X and a simple window manager (WindowMaker, IceWM, FVWM) in under those constraints. I use a laptop with only little bit more power than what you mention. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Mar 14 09:38:24 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] command line & multiple workspaces In-Reply-To: <3E71290A.7050603@quotidian.org>; from jonathon@quotidian.org on Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 06:57:46PM -0600 References: <3E71290A.7050603@quotidian.org> Message-ID: <20030314093824.I25747@real-time.com> On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 06:57:46PM -0600, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > Say I've got an xterm window open on one workspace in, say, gnome. Is > there a way that I could launch an application with a directive that > told it which workspace to open in? some X apps honor the -display option. many do not. (tho they should all be directable with the $DISPLAY env variable). '-display :0.0' will make the window appear on screen 0 of display 0. if you want it to appear on another screen of the same display; use '-display :0.1' or the like. this is for when you have multiple monitors, that do not share a common desktop. (i.e. no xinerama; you can't drag windows between screens). It may work for different workspaces; I haven't run a machine with different workspaces for ages. note that there is a difference between workspaces and virtual desktops. workspaces are completely different areas; virtual desktops are just 'viewports' onto the same workspace. you can drag windows between virtual desktops; not between workspaces. (maybe I've got the terminology wrong; but you get the general idea). 'man X' for a good exposition on what X can do. Carl. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Mar 13 13:05:31 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VFAT file recovery Message-ID: <20030313130531.A5000@gordo.space.umn.edu> I've just started to play around with getting images off a compact flash card with a USB CF reader under Linux and somehow I managed to hork up the filesystem on one card. I now get fun directory listing like: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 426128 Jan 1 1997 ?@@@00?! -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Jan 31 1983 " drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Feb 1 1981 $" So since I haven't gotten all of the files off yet, I was going to try to fix the problem filesystem with fsck.vfat. Does anyone have any experience with fsck.vfat? Does it give good results, or should I try finding a Windows box and fixing it under Windows? -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Thu Mar 13 13:51:03 2003 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <200303131222.24275.tanner@real-time.com> References: <200303111552.25129@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030313052755.GD32189@techmonkeys.org> <200303131222.24275.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030313195103.GG5213@sherohman.org> On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 12:22:24PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2003 11:27 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > That's because you're scanning before the footer is added: > > > > 20_ratware.cf:header RATWARE_GROUPMAIL ALL =~ /Group Mail/ ^^^^^^ > Changed the footer. Good catch. It's a header test. The problem is with List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List The old footer should not have been a problem. -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Fri Mar 14 17:53:28 2003 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> Message-ID: <3E726B78.1090200@quotidian.org> I don't know if you ever got an answer to this question, but I was wondering the same thing the other day and searched around the internet a bit and found that apparently this utility doesn't display current settings at all, it simply acts as a gui to change the settings. Therefore, when you start the program again, it will look like it's been 'reset' but it's not actually showing what your current settings are. Go figure. Jonathon Justin Haaheim wrote: > I'm trying to set up my firewall to allow incoming connections on port > 5801 (remote desktop stuff). In red hat 8, i've tried using the > "security" utility, but when I go to save and exit, it doesn't save > the information. I'll go back into the utility and it will all be > reset. Is there a file I can edit to change this information, or a > better way to go about this (or does anybody know if there's a fix for > this bug)? > > thanks > justin > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Fri Mar 14 10:43:40 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get for redhat8 Message-ID: <3E7206BC.7030001@gac.edu> I'm trying to set up apt-get for redhat8 to take care of updating more parts of my system. What packages do you guys use apt-get for? would you guys mind sending me a copy of your source.list file so I can see how it's set up? feel free to e-mail me off the list (jhaahei2@gac.edu) thanks justin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Mar 14 12:33:43 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get for redhat8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > How difficult is it to apt-ify a mirror? Not especially. I learned from freshrpms' site: http://freshrpms.net/apt/server/ Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Mar 13 19:55:08 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (lxy@cloudnet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Motorola iM1100 in linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1047606908.3e71367ccd58f@webmail.cloudnet.com> > Good question.. loan me one for a few weeks, and I'll find out for'ya. :) I might actually be able to do that. The plan is to purchase 40 of these things, I may be able to loan you one for a few days. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 14 09:09:21 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Motorola iM1100 in linux? In-Reply-To: <1047606908.3e71367ccd58f@webmail.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, lxy@cloudnet.com wrote: > I might actually be able to do that. The plan is to purchase 40 of > these things, I may be able to loan you one for a few days. -Brian Ah, so you're actually going to purchase them before you have a chance to test them out? Or you'll deploy with 'doze if they don't work with Linux? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Mar 13 15:32:44 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (lxy@cloudnet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Motorola iM1100 in linux? Message-ID: <1047591164.3e70f8fc88052@webmail.cloudnet.com> I'm trying to build a new cool thin client solution using Motorola's iM1100 wireless modem. Does anyone know if these work in linux? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Mar 13 22:40:49 2003 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <200303132002.31645@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200303131222.24275.tanner@real-time.com> <20030313195103.GG5213@sherohman.org> <200303132002.31645@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030314044049.GA21099@fireopal.org> On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 08:02:31PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Thursday 13 March 2003 01:51 pm, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > It's a header test. The problem is with > > > > List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List > > > > > > The old footer should not have been a problem. > > Hmm, I don't see a way to change the header info in mailman. Anyone? That looks like "A terse phrase identifying this list." off the General Options page with the list mailing address appended to it. At least, for my local lists, the terse phrase is sufficient unique that that's what it HAS to be. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Mar 13 17:11:29 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Motorola iM1100 in linux? In-Reply-To: <1047591164.3e70f8fc88052@webmail.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, lxy@cloudnet.com wrote: > I'm trying to build a new cool thin client solution using Motorola's > iM1100 wireless modem. Does anyone know if these work in linux? Good question.. loan me one for a few weeks, and I'll find out for'ya. :) I've heard that Sprint's card does work, but it's $100/mo for unlimited data instead of $55/mo (although it is 144k instead of 56k..) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Mar 14 10:54:24 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (lxy@cloudnet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Motorola iM1100 in linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1047660864.3e72094056ddb@webmail.cloudnet.com> > Yeah, read-only CF == good. :) > I've had great luck with the SimpleTech CF on both cameras and PC's.. half > the price of Lexar's 24X stuff, and the same speed. I tried some Kingston > 512mb cards, and got filesystem corruption, so that wasn't very fun. The other advantage of these is that they will be mostly kept in cars, so in our frigid winters we have a concern of crashing hard drives. The solid state CF all but guarantees us a functioning system at -20. > It'd be very very sweet if Linux is compatible with those cards.. may even > be as easy as just throwing the card in a PC Card slot, and dialing a > specific ph#. :) When Googling for info the only thing of value that I found was your /. article about the other wireless stuff you did. From what I can tell it either hasn't been tried or doesn't work and no one wants to admit defeat. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Mar 13 15:43:57 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lvm tips In-Reply-To: <20030115154035.GY1847@real-time.com> References: <20030115154035.GY1847@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030313214357.GA13587@fandre.com> Wow, where was this message hiding? On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > I just took a look at lvm for the first time last night and I have a few > questions: > > 1. How do you take care of activating volume groups at boot time? I > found several references online that say to add the following to > rc.sysinit: > > vgscan # Search for volume groups > vgchange -a y # Activate all volume groups > Works out-of-the-box in Debian. > I was surprised the RedHat lvm package didn't contain an init script. Not me. > 2. Most of the docs I've seen talks about creating ext2 file systems. > Is there any reason not to use ext3? No. > 3. Are there any general tips anyone can offer? Use Debian. Or else use the debian lvm init script. #!/bin/bash # # lvm This script handles the LVM startup/shutdown # so that LVMs are properly configured and available. # # try to load module in case that hasn't been done yet modprobe lvm >/dev/null 2>&1 modprobe lvm-mod >/dev/null 2>&1 set -e [ -e /proc/lvm ] || exit 0 [ -x /sbin/vgscan -a -x /sbin/vgchange ] || exit 0 [ -f /etc/default/lvm-common ] && . /etc/default/lvm-common case "$1" in start|"") echo "Setting up LVM Volume Groups..." /sbin/vgscan /sbin/vgchange -a y # Set permissions from /etc/default/lvm for MODEVAR in ${!MODE_*}; do eval MODE=\$$MODEVAR DEV=${MODEVAR//_/\/} DEV="/dev/${DEV#MODE\/}" MOD=${MODE#* } OWN=${MODE% *} chmod $MOD $DEV chown $OWN $DEV done ;; stop) echo "Shutting down LVM Volume Groups... " [ -e /etc/lvmtab ] && /sbin/vgchange -a n ;; restart|force-reload) $0 stop sleep 3 $0 start ;; *) echo "Usage: lvm {start|stop|force-reload}" >&2 exit 1 ;; esac _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mark_j at visi.com Fri Mar 14 17:36:43 2003 From: mark_j at visi.com (Mark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best distro install for old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM In-Reply-To: <200303141352.49921.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <3E7206BC.7030001@gac.edu> <1047660385.3e72076121625@webmail.cloudnet.com> <200303141352.49921.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <20030314233340.ECCD1813D@corb.mc.mpls.visi.com> What would be the best, current and easiest Linux distribution to use (including X Windows) on an old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM? I do not want to upgrade the hardware in any way and would like to get some useable speed out of it for a workstation. Mark J _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Miroslav.Chowaniok at co.hennepin.mn.us Thu Mar 13 08:46:04 2003 From: Miroslav.Chowaniok at co.hennepin.mn.us (Miroslav.Chowaniok@co.hennepin.mn.us) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Processor Systems Message-ID: Check out http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=AMDMP&Category_Code=AMDC or other motherboard combos (some xeon ones look interesting) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From daret at linuxmail.org Fri Mar 14 09:36:01 2003 From: daret at linuxmail.org (dare t) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Motorola iM1100 in linux? Message-ID: <20030314153601.12062.qmail@linuxmail.org> > Quoting Nate Carlson : > > > Ah, so you're actually going to purchase them before you have a chance to > > > > test them out? > > > > > Our plan is to deploy them on doze. I don't think doze is a suitable OS for the > project, since the machines will just be shut down unexpectantly. I have a much > better plan that includes replacing the hard drive with a CF card and a > read-only filesystem so it's more of an on/off appliance type thing rather than > a PC. It'll be doing all its work in Citrix via the wireless modem, so it > sounds like something that linux can handle perfectly. > Good idea. If you used a non jounaling system on linux, you'd get about 10 shutdowns befor it would bork. -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with e-mail forwarding for only US$5.95/yr Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Thu Mar 13 18:57:46 2003 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] command line & multiple workspaces Message-ID: <3E71290A.7050603@quotidian.org> Say I've got an xterm window open on one workspace in, say, gnome. Is there a way that I could launch an application with a directive that told it which workspace to open in? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Mar 13 20:27:39 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suggestions for benchmarking a laptop? In-Reply-To: <200303121731.12871.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200303121731.12871.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <1047608859.26668.7.camel@kremer> Well, it won't test EVERYTHING in your system, but Intel made a nice open source storage benchmarking utility called iometer: http://sourceforge.net/projects/iometer/ It appears to be available for Windows and UNIX, but I only have experience with the windows version. The UNIX version is command line only, whereas the windows version has a simple GUI frontend. We use it for various things where I work. It's halfway worth the download just to read their quirky license agreement. You can download the source, but you're not allowed to distribute any part of it. What can I say, it's Intel. On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 17:31, Peter Clark wrote: > but can anyone else suggest ways to test its "horsepower"? -- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Mar 13 01:44:54 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT more about ssh, win32 platform References: <3E6F605A.9010104@cleosci.com> <200303121131.43083@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <1047498803.25320.26.camel@kremer> Message-ID: <004001c2e934$6feefe20$0201a8c0@brinstar> Justin Kremer writes: > When i run cmd, it starts in H: and > putty and OpenSSH always want to drop their user configuration files > there. That's incredibly annoying to me because I want my > configuration files for things like that stored locally. Does anyone > know how to fix this problem? You are mistaken about PuTTY. The only file it stores is the random number seed and where it stores that is deterministic. You can change the location of this file by adding a key to the registry. The rest of PuTTY's settings are stored in the registry: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/faq.html#A.4.2 -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Mar 12 15:49:15 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] emu10k1 and kmix Message-ID: You can use the attached as a template for the script. If you use the '# chkconfig:' line you can set the runlevel, start, and stop defaults. The '--add' command line will then set it up that way from the start. The script was found here: http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/scripts/pants.html >>> list@slushpupie.com 03/12/03 03:06PM >>> If you want it to run at boot, place the script in /etc/init.d If you want to do it the "right" way, take a look at how other scripts are written in that directory and match it. If you dont, its not a big deal, things should work about the same way. Then, make sure you are logged in as root and run: /sbin/chkconfig --add scriptname /sbin/chkconfig --level 345 scriptname on What that will do, make your script capable of management by chkconfig. The second line makes your script run for runlevels 3,4, and 5. All reboot (and shutdown for that matter) does is call shutdown scripts which send terminating signals to all running applications and then halts or resets the CPU. You really want to log out of everything first, then call reboot. If you use Gnome and GDM, there is a reboot button which will log you out, then reboot, likewise if you use KDE and KDM together. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pants Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1119 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030312/ab269e7d/pants.obj From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 13 12:22:24 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <20030313052755.GD32189@techmonkeys.org> References: <200303111552.25129@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030313052755.GD32189@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200303131222.24275.tanner@real-time.com> On Wednesday 12 March 2003 11:27 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > That's because you're scanning before the footer is added: > > 20_ratware.cf:header RATWARE_GROUPMAIL ALL =~ /Group Mail/ > 20_ratware.cf:describe RATWARE_GROUPMAIL Bulk email software > fingerprint (Group Mail) found in headers 50_scores.cf:score > RATWARE_GROUPMAIL 2.900 > > "Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List" > ^^^^^^^^^^ > > I emailed the spamassassin guys, they didn't reply, a small change > in the footer (such as an extra space) would fix it. Changed the footer. Good catch. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Mar 12 22:20:40 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E700718.6090508@gac.edu> This is what I pulled from the website: ============== Also, I just remembered the session management. I don't think KDE's session management will work if you run "shutdown now." Apps won't restore their positions on the next startup and they won't ask if you want to save your work before shutting down (possibly resulting in lost work :-() To get around this you might try a shell script that logs out of KDE using DCOP and _then_ executes "shutdown now." This might cause annoying screen flashing as KDM comes up and is immediately killed by the shutdown script though. Also, I'm not sure how the shell script would be able to tell when KDE was completely logged out. To work really well, support for shutting down should be built into KDE. File a "wishlist" bug report for KDE 3.0. ============== This is the problem I'm trying to work around. When I just run /sbin/shutdown, my apps don't save their positions and they don't save their values and such because they haven't been shutdown properly. This piece talks about using DCOP. How would I use DCOP to do this? I still am trying to find out what command kde uses to shut down all its programs correctly like it does when you hit the logout button. thanks justin James Louis wrote: > This from the one kde help site: > > http://dot.kde.org/998717333/998842727/998850148/ > > jl > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of James Spinti > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:14 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down > > > On Wednesday 12 March 2003 03:01 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > > >>Another thought occured to me. I could possibly achieve the same effect >>for what I'm going for if I could run a script that closes all programs >>properly first, and then just /sbin/halt's. Does anybody know how I >>would go about closing all programs running in kde the way that kde does >>it with the logout button? > > > Look for the mapping of the Ctl-Alt-Del key combination--in the keyboard > shortcuts (under regional & accessibility) on the control panel, it just > says logout, not terribly helpful :( It does list Ctl-Alt-PgDwn as the > key sequence for halting the computer, you might want to try that if your > goal is to eliminate multiple steps. > > Of course, if your goal is to be able to script it, then you will have to > dig into the key map file which I suspect is in .kde/share/config under > your home directory, but I never have looked. > > HTH > -- > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist dot com > 952-368-3278 ext 396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 12 23:24:38 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT more about ssh, win32 platform In-Reply-To: <1047498803.25320.26.camel@kremer> References: <3E6F605A.9010104@cleosci.com> <200303121131.43083@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <1047498803.25320.26.camel@kremer> Message-ID: <20030313052438.GC32189@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:53:23PM -0600, Justin Kremer wrote: [snip] > Sorry for the vent. I'm frustrated. Create a shortcut to the putty executable, go to the properties, and change the 'start in' box to whatever directory you want putty to drop the config files in. > -- > Justin Kremer Yes, I am a know it all. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Tue Mar 11 16:55:11 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem w/ server, or are we just obsessive Message-ID: We apparently just like to talk about our own distros, VPN and redhat. >>> jhaahei2@gac.edu 03/11/03 03:13PM >>> Is there a lag on the tclug server? Sometimes, I'll get e-mails that are marked a couple hours earlier than other ones I've already recieved. I also count 24 e-mails in the last half hour. Are we just obsessive-compulsive linux users, or has the server done something weird with delivering these? justin _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mnsan11 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 22:18:33 2003 From: mnsan11 at earthlink.net (Elvedin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Accident Message-ID: Sorry about the last two posts from me, it was an accident, just disregard them. I accidentally fixed kmail and exim and those were in the queue. I guess that will teach me never to fix things, ever again.... _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Wed Mar 12 17:31:12 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suggestions for benchmarking a laptop? Message-ID: <200303121731.12871.peter-clark@bethel.edu> My dad is offering me his four-year-old IBM laptop, but I want to make sure that it can keep up with what I usually do. Normally, I would say no, as I already have a small collection of old laptops that are practically dinosaurs, but even though this one is a Pentium 300, it's got 588MB of memory (max limit), so it might still be able to keep up. In any case, I'm planning on bring a copy of Knoppix to test it out, but can anyone else suggest ways to test its "horsepower"? I'm looking at real world stuff, so I intend to bring along a program to compile, and Knoppix already provides Ogg files to play, but one thing that concerns me is that Knoppix will already be hogging the memory, so I won't get as accurate a picture as I would like. Suggestions welcome. :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Wed Mar 12 13:28:09 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file In-Reply-To: <001901c2e8bc$c0820f80$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> <000c01c2e85c$21646ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030312141735.GS29067@mnsdev3> <001901c2e8bc$c0820f80$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030312192808.GY29067@mnsdev3> On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 11:28:10AM -0600, David Phillips wrote: > Thomas Eibner writes: > > So you say that it's bloated to put in php as a module, but you never > > the less implemented something for thttpd to run php as cgi? Nice. > > No. As I said, it runs as a CGI, not part of the web server. My patch adds > handler support so that .php scripts are executed using the PHP CGI binary. > Without this type of support, you would need to make your PHP scripts CGI's > (i.e. make them executable and include the #!/usr/local/bin/php line). > > The advantage here is that you only pay for PHP when you are using it, not > on every request. If you compile PHP statically, the performance is decent. > On most sites, the majority of files are static (images), so this works out > pretty well. I have been running this patch for a few months on my > development box. But most people that do use php, likely use it all over their website. Furthermore, when you load php you might see your memory usage increase, but if it follows suit with other apache modules I've worked with (mod_perl) the majority of it is shared memory and thus doesn't have as large an impact as you would think. Even if it did make a difference, it should not have an impact on the number of requests that you can serve from Apache when it's static images unless you goofed up and made php handle the mime-types for the images. And if you're in a high traffic/hit environment chances are you have a seperate webserver for serving pictures. > > I believe apache.org is much of a testimony to Apache being able to > > handle the load for whatever Duncan can throw at it 1). > > What Duncan needs to make sure is that he has the pipe that can serve > > it and as you point out, enough memory to have enough childs running. > > > > 1) http://www.apache.org/server-status > > 3788 GB over the last 20 days, which is about 8 GB/hour or about > > 2MB/s (byte, not bit). And this is without a new release within > > those 20 days afair) > > That's only 38 req/sec, which is not much. My guess is that the Apache > server on apache.org is not running mod_php or many other modules, causing > the processes to be a lot smaller and making it irrelevant to his needs. > 16mbit is nothing when it's large files (like the Apache source). Get > Apache (especially with mod_php) to push 80mbit when it's 10k images, then > I'll be impressed. Just because that is not much doesn't mean it isn't worth anything. In Duncan's application I don't think he would see the kind of hits apache.org gets when there are new releases of their software. As to pushing 80mbit with Apache, I didn't have a problem doing just that at home right now. Serving a 10240 byte file over 100mbit network: (no keep-alive) Transfer rate: 11294.81 [Kbytes/sec] received Serving a 10240 byte file over localhost: Transfer rate: 22876.10 [Kbytes/sec] received These "tests" are about as trustworthy as any other test that is put up on the web Of course this is not on a live site, nor is it from real clients whose behaviour would be much different, but noone in their right mind would try to serve all this from one machine anyway. Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.1 Vanilla compile on hardware turning two years in july. No excessive memory use from my 200 childs with PHP loaded. (Number of servers modified to fit benchmark of course) > There are some good benchmarks here: > > http://www.zeus.com/products/zws/capacity/scalability.html I would expect nothing but good benchmarks showing how well Zeus performs on the product website. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Wed Mar 12 11:14:38 2003 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down In-Reply-To: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> References: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> Message-ID: <20030312171438.GA12482@sherohman.org> On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 11:10:07AM -0600, Justin Haaheim wrote: > I'd like to configure my computer so that, with one command, I can log > out and shut down. I'm using kde, and the command for logging out of > kde is kdeinit_shutdown. This will bring me back to the login screen, > though. From there, I'd like to run /sbin/reboot or something similar. > Is there a way I can put these commands together so that after kde has > been shut down, the computer would then also reboot. Uh... Why not just issue a normal shutdown command from within KDE? Why explicitly log out first? -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Mar 12 18:41:47 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down In-Reply-To: <3E6FA031.7010606@gac.edu> References: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> <200303121128.08181.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3E6F85B4.3060904@gac.edu> <1047497451.2532.8.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <3E6F9E7F.9050501@gac.edu> <3E6FA031.7010606@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1047516107.25464.12.camel@kremer> I think what you need to figure out is what command KDE uses to "save current settings" I'm more familiar with gnome, but I know that it does not always save your settings just because you log out. Is KDE the same way? If so, there's your solution. Just add that one to your log out and shut down script. Also, I'm not sure if I'm completely following your logic (by one command, is one button also a valid way for you, or are you trying to get it so that it works properly remotely? If that's what you want, then just ignore the rest of my babbling) But if one button works for you, try out KDE 3.1. That's what I've been using for the past week or two and it seems to work quite well and when you click on its shutdown button, it gives you that little popup like windows does...you know, the "by shutdown, do you REALLY MEAN log out, shut the computer down, or reboot?" one. On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 15:01, Justin Haaheim wrote: > Ok, I've got a bit of new information. > > It turns out that kdeinit_shutdown doesn't even do what I want it to do. > That brings me back to the login screen, but when I just tried it, it > didn't shut down kmix properly. The only thing that has succesfully > shut down kmix properly is the actual logout button on my KDE panel. > Does anybody know what command(s) that specific button executes? -- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Mar 12 13:36:20 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat, ssh, win32 platform In-Reply-To: <200303121131.43083@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E6F605A.9010104@cleosci.com> <200303121131.43083@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1047497780.25318.8.camel@kremer> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 11:31, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'll state again, you can get a free (as in beer) version of openssh by > installing cygwin, if you install just the minimal stuff it's "only" about > 40M (which in win32 terms is small!). And if you want JUST the ssh, but not anything else that cygwin provides, there is an OpenSSH installer specifically for windows. In fact, the people who used to maintain it recently turned it over to cygwin, so you're getting exactly the same OpenSSH package cygwin would provide. It even makes some nice gygnus and cygwin entries in your registry (which confused the hell out of me until i read TFM) -- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Mar 12 13:30:51 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down In-Reply-To: <3E6F85B4.3060904@gac.edu> References: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> <200303121128.08181.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3E6F85B4.3060904@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1047497451.2532.8.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 13:08, Justin Haaheim wrote: > The probelm is that /sbin/reboot or /sbin/halt doesn't let kde do all of > its loggin out properly. Using script, lets call it "killitall", that contains: #!/bin/bash kdeinit_shutdown /sbin/reboot Couldn't you: $su - #nohup killitall nohup will not stop executing when your kde session ends, so the next line of the script would still be executed. And depending on your security you might not need to be root either. Is this what your looking for? -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Mar 12 11:28:08 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down In-Reply-To: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> References: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303121128.08181.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Wednesday 12 March 2003 11:10 am, Justin Haaheim wrote: > I'd like to configure my computer so that, with one command, I can log > out and shut down. I'm using kde, and the command for logging out of > kde is kdeinit_shutdown. This will bring me back to the login screen, > though. From there, I'd like to run /sbin/reboot or something similar. > Is there a way I can put these commands together so that after kde has > been shut down, the computer would then also reboot. Justin, Why can't you just type reboot in a konsole window? That is how I do it all the time, and I'm running RH 8.0/KDE 3.1. Although, if you log in as root and go to the control panel you can control who has the authority to reboot the machine, whether local or remote, etc. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Mar 12 13:08:36 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down In-Reply-To: <200303121128.08181.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> <200303121128.08181.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <3E6F85B4.3060904@gac.edu> The probelm is that /sbin/reboot or /sbin/halt doesn't let kde do all of its loggin out properly. I saw this when I was working with kmix. I would set some things (that are supposed to save when it closes), and after I reboot those things wouldn't have saved. Then, when I tried logging out first and then rebooting, the settings saved fine. I think that when /sbin/halt or reboot or shutdown is run, KDE goes through a quick shutdown/logout that doesn't necessarily shut down everything properly (as happens when you logout of kde). hope this clears things up justin James Spinti wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2003 11:10 am, Justin Haaheim wrote: > >>I'd like to configure my computer so that, with one command, I can log >>out and shut down. I'm using kde, and the command for logging out of >>kde is kdeinit_shutdown. This will bring me back to the login screen, >>though. From there, I'd like to run /sbin/reboot or something similar. >> Is there a way I can put these commands together so that after kde has >>been shut down, the computer would then also reboot. > > > Justin, > > Why can't you just type reboot in a konsole window? That is how I do it > all the time, and I'm running RH 8.0/KDE 3.1. Although, if you log in as > root and go to the control panel you can control who has the authority to > reboot the machine, whether local or remote, etc. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Wed Mar 12 09:26:12 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file In-Reply-To: <3E6F6587.20308@sodatrain.com> References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> <000c01c2e85c$21646ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030312141735.GS29067@mnsdev3> <3E6F6587.20308@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20030312152612.GU29067@mnsdev3> On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 08:51:19AM -0800, Duncan Shannon wrote: > > > > >[much biased] > > > >I believe apache.org is much of a testimony to Apache being able to handle > >the load for whatever Duncan can throw at it 1). > >What Duncan needs to make sure is that he has the pipe that can serve it > >and as you point out, enough memory to have enough childs running. > > > >1) http://www.apache.org/server-status > > 3788 GB over the last 20 days, which is about 8 GB/hour or about 2MB/s > > (byte, not bit). And this is without a new release within those 20 days > > afair) > > wow. thats a lot of traffic. I really hope we dont have that much, or > well go broke! Just see it get even worse when they release a new version. > any special considerations to keep in mind hardware wise? was thinking > some fast drives, in raid10, and that CPU wouldnt really matter all that > much. am i off? I don't really think it will matter much, at home I have two machines I max out 100mbit with scp between them. And that's just between some ide drives. And those machines are only PIII 1GHz's (one only has 128MB mem). _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Mar 12 10:51:19 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file In-Reply-To: <20030312141735.GS29067@mnsdev3> References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> <000c01c2e85c$21646ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030312141735.GS29067@mnsdev3> Message-ID: <3E6F6587.20308@sodatrain.com> > > [much biased] > > I believe apache.org is much of a testimony to Apache being able to handle > the load for whatever Duncan can throw at it 1). > What Duncan needs to make sure is that he has the pipe that can serve it > and as you point out, enough memory to have enough childs running. > > 1) http://www.apache.org/server-status > 3788 GB over the last 20 days, which is about 8 GB/hour or about 2MB/s > (byte, not bit). And this is without a new release within those 20 days > afair) wow. thats a lot of traffic. I really hope we dont have that much, or well go broke! any special considerations to keep in mind hardware wise? was thinking some fast drives, in raid10, and that CPU wouldnt really matter all that much. am i off? duncan -- Duncan Shannon Non-Profit Web hosting and design http://www.npohost.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cchur at isd.net Wed Mar 12 17:54:24 2003 From: cchur at isd.net (Chuck Chur) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cancel Message-ID: <41274665798.20030312175424@isd.net> tclug-list, -- Chuck mailto:cchur@isd.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Mar 12 11:31:13 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> <20030312142108.GT29067@mnsdev3> Message-ID: <002a01c2e8bd$2e262530$0201a8c0@brinstar> Thomas Eibner writes: > Shouldn't Linux cache the file in memory anyway? Serve the file of a > ram drive? Yes. And the web server should use sendfile(). > any special considerations to keep in mind hardware wise? was thinking > some fast drives, in raid10, and that CPU wouldnt really matter all that > much. am i off? Disk bandwidth isn't the issue here. It's memory. IDE disks are fine for this application. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jlouis at cheqnet.net Wed Mar 12 17:56:28 2003 From: jlouis at cheqnet.net (James Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down In-Reply-To: <200303121513.58281.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: This from the one kde help site: http://dot.kde.org/998717333/998842727/998850148/ jl -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of James Spinti Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:14 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down On Wednesday 12 March 2003 03:01 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > > Another thought occured to me. I could possibly achieve the same effect > for what I'm going for if I could run a script that closes all programs > properly first, and then just /sbin/halt's. Does anybody know how I > would go about closing all programs running in kde the way that kde does > it with the logout button? Look for the mapping of the Ctl-Alt-Del key combination--in the keyboard shortcuts (under regional & accessibility) on the control panel, it just says logout, not terribly helpful :( It does list Ctl-Alt-PgDwn as the key sequence for halting the computer, you might want to try that if your goal is to eliminate multiple steps. Of course, if your goal is to be able to script it, then you will have to dig into the key map file which I suspect is in .kde/share/config under your home directory, but I never have looked. HTH -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Wed Mar 12 10:29:14 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat References: Message-ID: <3E6F605A.9010104@cleosci.com> Just an added note for those working in mixed-platform environments. Many of the windows products come only with telnet and ftp, but putty is an easy download and a nice interface to use for secure shell on windows based machines when tagging into your LINUX servers remotely. Garrett Jima wrote: >On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Dave Alitz wrote: > > >>I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but telnet isn't a particularly secure >>service. If your not on a private network that you trust completely, it's >>not a good idea. It sends all communication in plain text, including the >> >> _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Mar 12 15:13:58 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down In-Reply-To: <3E6FA031.7010606@gac.edu> References: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> <3E6F9E7F.9050501@gac.edu> <3E6FA031.7010606@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303121513.58281.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Wednesday 12 March 2003 03:01 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > > Another thought occured to me. I could possibly achieve the same effect > for what I'm going for if I could run a script that closes all programs > properly first, and then just /sbin/halt's. Does anybody know how I > would go about closing all programs running in kde the way that kde does > it with the logout button? Look for the mapping of the Ctl-Alt-Del key combination--in the keyboard shortcuts (under regional & accessibility) on the control panel, it just says logout, not terribly helpful :( It does list Ctl-Alt-PgDwn as the key sequence for halting the computer, you might want to try that if your goal is to eliminate multiple steps. Of course, if your goal is to be able to script it, then you will have to dig into the key map file which I suspect is in .kde/share/config under your home directory, but I never have looked. HTH -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 12 09:42:47 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303120942.47252@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 12 March 2003 08:26 am, Jima wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Dave Alitz wrote: > > I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but telnet isn't a particularly secure > > service. > Correct, telnet is an insecure service, and shouldn't be used for system > administration purposes except on private networks (and probably not even > then). I'll go even further. There is no reason to run telnet-server period on any network. Openssh does everything telnet does and more. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Wed Mar 12 15:59:57 2003 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT more about ssh, win32 platform In-Reply-To: <1047498803.25320.26.camel@kremer> References: <3E6F605A.9010104@cleosci.com> <200303121131.43083@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <1047498803.25320.26.camel@kremer> Message-ID: <3E6FADDD.6020204@visi.com> Try setting a HOME environmental variable value to point to a local directory. I think that is usually the default for most applications. On NT the system environmental variables are set in control_panel/system/environment - I don't know where they ended up in W2K. Of course, once they read far enough in the manuals they'll be able to stop you from doing that as well, but hopefully they won't make it that far. The other option is to individually change the 'start in' directory in the properties for the icon/shortcut that is starting the process to point to a local directory. --rick Justin Kremer wrote: >Sort of on the same topic, I am having issues with my computer at work. >I have recently been forced to join my networked computer to a W2K >Domain, which sucks majorly, and now as part of the logon, my system has >an H: drive (network drive) which seems to be set as some sort of a >home-ish directory. When i run cmd, it starts in H: and putty and >OpenSSH always want to drop their user configuration files there. >That's incredibly annoying to me because I want my configuration files >for things like that stored locally. Does anyone know how to fix this >problem? >I've done some searching on the internet, but I don't know what >Microsoft calls that kind of stuff and the words I use to describe it >are very general terms which don't turn up anything even remotely useful >to me. I've spent hours scouring my registry for something that looks >suspect. I don't dare ask the IS guys who control my network this >question because they'll just tell me to go f*** myself. If they were >allowed to COMPLETELY have their way, then encryption, linux, and pretty >much anything not spoonfed to them by their Microsoft sales rep, would >probably not be allowed in the building. And MCSE's probably wouldn't >be allowed either, because anyone with one of those might know how to >break their precious network. >Sorry for the vent. I'm frustrated. > > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Tue Mar 11 16:53:51 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro Message-ID: Their install walkthrough, their forums, and there was much more dabbling apart from what I have listed. I couldn't figure it out before because I only had one computer, and no friends who knew linux. It wouldn't have been so bad had I ever figured out how to get my modem working, then I could have gotten help. Later, I had spare computer that I could use to find info. You're not the first person to ask that though...That says a lot to me about gentoo and their user forums though. >>> RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com 03/11/03 02:16PM >>> John Hoffoss wrote: > Mine was more like DOS+IBM GUI -> 95 -> 98 -> RH5 (?) -> Slack 5 (?) > -> 98 (couldn't figure linux out) -> 2k -> ME -> 2k (1 Hr after > installing ME) -> XP (work) + Gentoo and happiness. How the hell did you get from not figuring linux out to Gentoo? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 12 11:31:43 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat, ssh, win32 platform In-Reply-To: <3E6F605A.9010104@cleosci.com> References: <3E6F605A.9010104@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <200303121131.43083@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 12 March 2003 10:29 am, gkrueger wrote: > Just an added note for those working in mixed-platform environments. > Many of the windows products come only with telnet and ftp, but putty > is an easy download and a nice interface to use for secure shell on > windows based machines when tagging into your LINUX servers remotely. I'll state again, you can get a free (as in beer) version of openssh by installing cygwin, if you install just the minimal stuff it's "only" about 40M (which in win32 terms is small!). -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 12 06:14:29 2003 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat References: Message-ID: <001d01c2e890$eed07a10$0300a8c0@master> Jima, nice tip, thanks for the info. I will use chkconfig from now on. Mikey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jima" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ? about redhat > On 11 Mar 2003, Dave Sherman wrote: > > As to your telnet question, several services run under the blanket of > > inetd (in RedHat 8 they have changed to xinetd, which is both more > > powerful and flexible). xinetd is configured through its files in /etc, > > with one master file (with just a few default rules) xinetd.conf, plus a > > whole directory of additional specific files in /etc/xinetd.d/, one file > > per service. If you want to find telnet, look in /etc/xinetd.d/ for a > > file called telnet. > > Actually, RedHat switched to xinetd back in 7.0. I can only hope that > was a typo. :) > Also, chkconfig can be used to enable/disable xinetd services, too: > > # chkconfig telnet on > > You don't need (get) to specify a runlevel, as it'll apply to any > runlevels xinetd is activated in. > > Jima > > P.S.: `ntsysv` is a nice feature, but it only applies the changes to the > current runlevel. If you change runlevels, the services you shut off > before will pop back up. Bad mojo. Use `chkconfig` instead. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Mar 12 07:23:18 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <001701c2e890$ac431f90$0300a8c0@master> References: <000c01c2e7ce$3f6e7d00$0300a8c0@master> <1047388732.1800.5.camel@dedannshae> <001701c2e890$ac431f90$0300a8c0@master> Message-ID: <1047475404.2414.5.camel@dedannshae> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 06:12, Mike Partyka wrote: > Ahh, I think I understand now. One followup question though Dave? > > If in the /etc/xinetd.d/ directory there is no telnet file, then does that > mean that telnet is disabled? And the conversely, if there was a telnet file > in there, could i then assume telnet was enabled? If there is no /etc/xinetd.d/telnet file, then telnet will assume the xinetd defaults, as given in the /etc/xinetd.conf file. However, if you don't have a telnet file, then it is likely that the telnet server is not even installed. As far as I know, RedHat provides a config file with each server rpm, to go in the xinetd.d directory. If there's no file, then the rpm is probably not installed. rpm -qa|grep telnet to find out. If you only see telnet-xxxxx, that's the client. There should also be a telnet-server (I'm going from memory here, so my nomenclature might be a little off). -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "If we wanted you to understand it, we wouldn't call it code." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Mar 12 10:18:55 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat Message-ID: You can even get the insecurity of telnet if you want: ~/.ssh/config: Cipher rot13 >>> tanner@real-time.com 03/12/03 09:42AM >>> I'll go even further. There is no reason to run telnet-server period on any network. Openssh does everything telnet does and more. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Mar 12 14:54:23 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down In-Reply-To: <1047497451.2532.8.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> <200303121128.08181.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3E6F85B4.3060904@gac.edu> <1047497451.2532.8.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <3E6F9E7F.9050501@gac.edu> That didn't seem to work. It's the right idea though. I'd like to just be able to run a script that logs out of kde properly first, and then reboots. I don't know exactly why that didn't work. Any other ideas? justin Chris Frederick wrote: > On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 13:08, Justin Haaheim wrote: > >>The probelm is that /sbin/reboot or /sbin/halt doesn't let kde do all of >>its loggin out properly. > > > Using script, lets call it "killitall", that contains: > #!/bin/bash > kdeinit_shutdown > /sbin/reboot > > Couldn't you: > $su - > #nohup killitall > > nohup will not stop executing when your kde session ends, so the next > line of the script would still be executed. And depending on your > security you might not need to be root either. > > Is this what your looking for? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Mar 12 12:09:33 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat, ssh, win32 platform References: <3E6F605A.9010104@cleosci.com> <200303121131.43083@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <006101c2e8c2$88c470f0$f100cb0a@corpnet.lawson.com> The putty install executable, putty-0.53b-installer.exe is only 1.09MB in size. It give you pretty much everything except for X. If you want just putty.exe, it's a whopping 348... It's configurable, and easy to setup for those of us who are unable to break the chains of MS world. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" > > I'll state again, you can get a free (as in beer) version of openssh by > installing cygwin, if you install just the minimal stuff it's "only" about > 40M (which in win32 terms is small!). > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 12 07:23:35 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <1169.192.1.1.15.1047443460.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > I use to use Freeswan, but it's dependency on kernel patches (yea, I'm > lazy) and complication makes it a pain. Actually, if you're using Redhat (sorry John!) and their official kernel RPMs, Freeswan has some kernel-specific packages. No patching required. They also have a copy with some contrib patches, such as x509, so you can even use Nate's walkthough. :) The only downside is that they lag behind the latest errata kernel by a couple weeks (i.e., they don't have 2.4.18-26.* out yet). Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Mar 12 10:49:56 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file In-Reply-To: <20030312081937.A4740@karl.iexposure.net> References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> <000c01c2e85c$21646ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030312081937.A4740@karl.iexposure.net> Message-ID: <3E6F6534.2010302@sodatrain.com> Karl Bongers wrote: > I like the idea of staggering the downloads somehow. You may be > able to just use built in connection limits, so if more than 50 > clients are downloading, the server will deny a new connection. > The client will just retry next hour. yes, and we can specify a retry interval :) > > So when you say phone home, you really mean phone up the internet > for the connection, right? Your not setting up a bunch of modems? right. no modems here. the content is delivered in a PULL method instead of a PUSH, so the clients call home, or check for status every $phone_home_interval duncan -- Duncan Shannon Non-Profit Web hosting and design http://www.npohost.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Mar 12 11:10:07 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down Message-ID: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> I'd like to configure my computer so that, with one command, I can log out and shut down. I'm using kde, and the command for logging out of kde is kdeinit_shutdown. This will bring me back to the login screen, though. From there, I'd like to run /sbin/reboot or something similar. Is there a way I can put these commands together so that after kde has been shut down, the computer would then also reboot. I can't imagine a shell script would work: #!/bin/bash kdeinit_shutdown /sbin/reboot because the execution of the script would be stopped by the termination of kde before it got to the /sbin/reboot step. Any ideas? thanks justin _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mpartyka at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 12 06:12:38 2003 From: mpartyka at mn.rr.com (Mike Partyka) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat References: <000c01c2e7ce$3f6e7d00$0300a8c0@master> <1047388732.1800.5.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <001701c2e890$ac431f90$0300a8c0@master> Ahh, I think I understand now. One followup question though Dave? If in the /etc/xinetd.d/ directory there is no telnet file, then does that mean that telnet is disabled? And the conversely, if there was a telnet file in there, could i then assume telnet was enabled? Thanks for taking the time to answer! Mikey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sherman" To: "TC-LUG" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ? about redhat > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 07:00, Mike Partyka wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Was wondering if anyone could answer a question that I have had for some time now. > > > > In redhat your run level appropriate start scripts > > (rc.0, rc.1,rc.3,etc) are located in /etc/rc.d/rc.x, where x is your run-level. On my fairly bare-bone redhat installation, there are only about 18 start scripts in rc.3, but i am sure there are other daemons/services running, than are listed in this directory. I have checked my rc.local but are there other places i can check and if necessary stop certain daemons/services i don't want/need running? > > > > One more ?, looking in my /etc/services, almost nothign is pounded out, but yet telnet for example doesn't answer, where ultimately are these services turned on/off? > > First of all, there is a command-line front-end to the startup scripts > called 'chkconfig'. 'chkconfig --list' will show all configured services > on your machine, and their status as to whether they are to > automatically launch at boot or not, and also which runlevels they are > to run under. You can just enter 'chkconfig' to get a listing of > available options, but it is able to add new services, change the > current runlevel config of existing services, and also delete existing > services. > > As to your telnet question, several services run under the blanket of > inetd (in RedHat 8 they have changed to xinetd, which is both more > powerful and flexible). xinetd is configured through its files in /etc, > with one master file (with just a few default rules) xinetd.conf, plus a > whole directory of additional specific files in /etc/xinetd.d/, one file > per service. If you want to find telnet, look in /etc/xinetd.d/ for a > file called telnet. > > -- > Dave Sherman > MCSE, MCSA, CCNA > "If we wanted you to understand it, we wouldn't call it code." > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Mar 11 16:45:25 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <200303111552.25129@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200303111552.25129@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1183.204.220.62.130.1047422725.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > Really? > > What version of SpamAssassin are you running? > > What do you have the spam hit set to, that posts from the list are > counted as spam? 2.43 by default it was set to 5 hits _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Mar 12 10:48:18 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file In-Reply-To: <20030312142108.GT29067@mnsdev3> References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> <20030312142108.GT29067@mnsdev3> Message-ID: <3E6F64D2.7090600@sodatrain.com> > Shouldn't Linux cache the file in memory anyway? Serve the file of a > ram drive? dunno. sounds nice tho! >>I need to plan hardware/bandwidth wise to make sure this process works >>smoothly. Should i be looking at a dedicate box to run this? Currently >>its going on our main server which has other things like qmail, apache, >>and jabber servers running on it. > > > Have some kind of queing mechanism so all clients don't just start > downloading at the same time? > (I really don't see you having a problem with this as long as the pipe > is there) well, if there are 100 units in a given group, the units dont have the concept of acutall time, they just cound seconds (or some other time unit) since boot, and that should result in a random distribution of the download attempts over the period of the phone home interval. When a unit phones home, it then counts until untill the phone home interval passes again. So, if an update is posted at 4pm, most of the units *should* phone home with an hour of that, they wont all call home at the same time. _that_ would be a bandwidth crunch! thanks duncan -- Duncan Shannon Non-Profit Web hosting and design http://www.npohost.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Mar 12 07:19:52 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <015801c2e852$9344ff10$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <015801c2e852$9344ff10$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030312131952.GB31481@fandre.com> On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, David Phillips wrote: > Nate Carlson writes: > > I believe using sshd with pppd you could get all of that to work. I > > could be wrong, though. > > TCP over TCP is a bad idea: > > http://sites.inka.de/sites/bigred/devel/tcp-tcp.html Bah! I've been doing it for over a year and haven't had any problem. In fact, it's actually pretty nice. And very easy to setup. I have it automatically reconnect when it dies, and I'm natting my connection, so my entire home network can get anywhere on the "other" network. Plus I can bypass the firewall. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Tue Mar 11 16:03:20 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <010301c2e80c$00a2dc40$6501a8c0@tom> References: <010301c2e80c$00a2dc40$6501a8c0@tom> Message-ID: <2184.65.116.187.194.1047420200.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> FreeS/WAN is easy to setup and is very solid. I have 5 VPN's at work and 2 VPN's at home that use FreeS/WAN and I have been very happy with their performance and reliability. > What is the best way to setup a VPN with Open Source software? I have > read about freeSwan but is there other options? > > Thanks! > > TOM > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 11 15:17:25 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] emu10k1 and kmix Message-ID: <3E6E5265.2050305@gac.edu> I don't know how much experience you guys have with emu10k1 Soundblaster drivers, but here goes: I have a Gateway OEM soundblaster SBLive card in my machine, and I'm trying to configure it to output in digital through its primary miniplug jack. The manpage for emu-config notes specifically that my card isn't supported yet for this, but when I run emu-config -d to enable digital output, it works. It actually cuts out sometimes, but I can deal with that. My actual question is this: When I restart, it appears as if digital output has been turned off. Because it's a driver setting, I would've imagined that it would've persisted after rebooting. Why would it be turning off, and how can I set my system up so that it's always in this mode (will it require an entry into a startup script?, and if so, which one?) ? wow, that was a lot of questions I have a related problem. I use kmix in kde to handle my mixing needs, and I bind a couple of my internet keyboards keys to volume control. 1) there's a setting in emu-config that allows me to set the mixing device. i think it defaults to /dev/mixer. if I'm using kmix, do I need to change this, or does kmix also go through /dev/mixer? 2) the key bindings for this don't stick. when i'm back into kde after rebooting, the kmix key bindings are back to how they were before I recently changed them. Could this be due to the fact that I reboot my computer by running /sbin/reboot? If so, what command can I use so that kde shuts down and logs out normally (and saves all this keybinding data)? thanks justin _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 11 17:09:43 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] emu10k1 and kmix In-Reply-To: <200303111650.55274.list@slushpupie.com> References: <3E6E5265.2050305@gac.edu> <200303111531.43063.list@slushpupie.com> <3E6E5945.5000604@gac.edu> <200303111650.55274.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <3E6E6CB7.6070809@gac.edu> ok, but if I want it to run when I boot, how do i put it into init.d? I can't seem to find chkconfig. Also, (no one has really answered this) what about my rebooting question. When I run /sbin/reboot, it doesn't, apparently, properly logout and shut down the programs, because my settings weren't saved like they usually are when I formally logout and then hit reboot. What shell command can I use to reboot the computer that will logout properly so that my program's settings are saved. justin Jay Kline wrote: > If you want it to run at boot, then you need to make a script for init.d. If > you just want to have it availible for general use, you still need to make a > script, you can just put it in /usr/local/bin . > > Your script should look like this: > > #!/bin/sh > command to run > command to run > etc > > > > Then, make sure it is named something useful (emu10k1_setup or whatever), and > change its permissions to 755 (that is a+rx and o+rwx ). Though the script > dosnt NEED to be owned by root, system utilities generally are. (chown > root:root filename) Then just put it in /usr/local/bin. > > Jay > > > On Tuesday 11 March 2003 3:46 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > >>I am running redhat, but I'd prefer to stay out of init.d for now. Is >>there some place I can put my script where it will run for all users >>(not just for me)? I'm not terribly familiar with setting things like >>this up, so if you could be verbose ( ./help-me -v ), that would be >>helpful. >> >>justin >> >>Jay Kline wrote: >> >>>On Tuesday 11 March 2003 3:17 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: >>> >>>>My actual question is this: >>>>When I restart, it appears as if digital output has been turned off. >>>>Because it's a driver setting, I would've imagined that it would've >>>>persisted after rebooting. Why would it be turning off, and how can I >>>>set my system up so that it's always in this mode (will it require an >>>>entry into a startup script?, and if so, which one?) ? wow, that was a >>>>lot of questions >>> >>>Depending on your distro, you can just add the command to your rc.local. >>>If you run redhat or the like, you can create a script that does it for >>>you, throw it in init.d and use chkconfig (or other tools) to enable it >>>to run at bootup. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 14:59:43 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <4764.204.220.62.130.1047416743.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <3E6E47D5.1000408@andersonfam.org> <4764.204.220.62.130.1047416743.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1047416387.3804.9.camel@dedannshae> On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 15:05, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > Does this mean that I could do something like this: > > 1) Build a linux box with FreeSWAN to be used as a VPN gateway. > > 2) Have Windows clients easily connect to it to gain access to the LAN. > > > if your willing to set up a box, try IPCop. It can be set up in 15-20 > minutes, and uses IPSec. Yep, it's got FreeSwan under the covers. I have used Smoothwall, from which IPCop is a fork, and the web interface wasn't flexible enough for my needs (at the time), so I configured FreeSwan directly and skipped the web interface for the VPN part. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "If we wanted you to understand it, we wouldn't call it code." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Mar 11 15:05:43 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <3E6E47D5.1000408@andersonfam.org> References: <3E6E47D5.1000408@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <4764.204.220.62.130.1047416743.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > Does this mean that I could do something like this: > 1) Build a linux box with FreeSWAN to be used as a VPN gateway. > 2) Have Windows clients easily connect to it to gain access to the LAN. if your willing to set up a box, try IPCop. It can be set up in 15-20 minutes, and uses IPSec. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Mar 11 15:31:43 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] emu10k1 and kmix In-Reply-To: <3E6E5265.2050305@gac.edu> References: <3E6E5265.2050305@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303111531.43063.list@slushpupie.com> On Tuesday 11 March 2003 3:17 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > My actual question is this: > When I restart, it appears as if digital output has been turned off. > Because it's a driver setting, I would've imagined that it would've > persisted after rebooting. Why would it be turning off, and how can I > set my system up so that it's always in this mode (will it require an > entry into a startup script?, and if so, which one?) ? wow, that was a > lot of questions Depending on your distro, you can just add the command to your rc.local. If you run redhat or the like, you can create a script that does it for you, throw it in init.d and use chkconfig (or other tools) to enable it to run at bootup. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Mar 11 23:56:31 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <000c01c2e85c$21646ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Duncan Shannon writes: > is this not really that much bandwidth or IO? I guess if 200 units > over 1 hr dl a 4 meg file, its 800 megs over an hour, thats not all > *that* much. With those numbers, 2mbit should be enough. But be aware that if they all try to download at the same time, the downloads will be slow (approximately 1k/sec). It might be a good idea to have them randomly stagger the requests. > I need to plan hardware/bandwidth wise to make sure this process works > smoothly. Should i be looking at a dedicate box to run this? > Currently its going on our main server which has other things like > qmail, apache, and jabber servers running on it. Apache is not a great web server if you have a high number of connections. One of the main issues with Apache is that the processes tend to get very big when you add stuff like PHP to them. Building an application server into a web server is poor design. A single threaded web server such as Zeus, Boa or thttpd can handle much more traffic. With only a few hundred total clients (hopefully not all hitting it at the same second), you don't need to worry about PHP performance. What you do need to worry about is having several hundred Apache processes running while all the clients download the file at once. An alternative would be to use Apache for PHP and Boa or thttpd for the file downloads. I wrote a patch for thttpd that lets it run .php scripts natively. It runs them using CGI, so it has to fork a process off for each PHP request. The PHP performance is slow compared to Apache, but thttpd is much faster for static files. If you are interested, grab the last patch from here: http://titan.hpcs.com/thttpd/ If you want use one web server for everything and feel confident that you have a rock solid web hosting platform, then get Zeus. It will handle whatever you can throw at it and more. Zeus is by far the best web server available. You don't necessarily need a separate server, but it wouldn't hurt. Memory is going to be your main issue if you are using Apache for everything. Your requirements are pretty easy. If you have enough bandwidth so that downloads are as fast as possible and have your clients randomly stagger the connections, then Apache should work fine. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Mar 11 15:30:38 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <010301c2e80c$00a2dc40$6501a8c0@tom> References: <010301c2e80c$00a2dc40$6501a8c0@tom> Message-ID: <200303111530.38143.list@slushpupie.com> On Tuesday 11 March 2003 2:22 pm, Tom O'Neill wrote: > What is the best way to setup a VPN with Open Source software? I have read > about freeSwan but is there other options? If the load is pretty light, and you stick to unix like boxes, TunnelVision (tunelv on debian) is decent. Uses the same encryption standards as other solutions (Blowfish/3DES/etc) and runs on a ethertap device and a single port so both ends can be behind firewalls (with single port forwarding). However, because of the way it works, its not real reliable for heavy network traffic, and I dont know of a windows client out there. You might search debian for VPN to see what other packages there are- I know it has a few options. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 11 15:46:45 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] emu10k1 and kmix In-Reply-To: <200303111531.43063.list@slushpupie.com> References: <3E6E5265.2050305@gac.edu> <200303111531.43063.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <3E6E5945.5000604@gac.edu> I am running redhat, but I'd prefer to stay out of init.d for now. Is there some place I can put my script where it will run for all users (not just for me)? I'm not terribly familiar with setting things like this up, so if you could be verbose ( ./help-me -v ), that would be helpful. justin Jay Kline wrote: > On Tuesday 11 March 2003 3:17 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > >>My actual question is this: >>When I restart, it appears as if digital output has been turned off. >>Because it's a driver setting, I would've imagined that it would've >>persisted after rebooting. Why would it be turning off, and how can I >>set my system up so that it's always in this mode (will it require an >>entry into a startup script?, and if so, which one?) ? wow, that was a >>lot of questions > > > > Depending on your distro, you can just add the command to your rc.local. If > you run redhat or the like, you can create a script that does it for you, > throw it in init.d and use chkconfig (or other tools) to enable it to run at > bootup. > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Mar 11 15:15:04 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem w/ server, or are we just obsessive In-Reply-To: <3E6E516B.1060405@gac.edu> References: <3E6E516B.1060405@gac.edu> Message-ID: <3E6E51D8.7080203@andersonfam.org> I've been getting back messages that I post within 5 minutes... Justin Haaheim wrote: > Is there a lag on the tclug server? Sometimes, I'll get e-mails that > are marked a couple hours earlier than other ones I've already recieved. > I also count 24 e-mails in the last half hour. Are we just > obsessive-compulsive linux users, or has the server done something weird > with delivering these? > > justin > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 11 15:21:38 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem w/ server, or are we just obsessive In-Reply-To: <1047417384.3e6e52283a96b@webmail.cloudnet.com> References: <3E6E516B.1060405@gac.edu> <1047417384.3e6e52283a96b@webmail.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: <3E6E5362.2000500@gac.edu> I agree, the response has been good. I get my e-mails within about 15 seconds (i'm on an imap server). justin lxy@cloudnet.com wrote: > We're just excited to post today. Sometimes mail gets hung up in the queue and > doesn't get sent right away, but lately it seems like the TCLUG server reponse > has been quite good. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Mar 11 15:16:24 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (lxy@cloudnet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem w/ server, or are we just obsessive In-Reply-To: <3E6E516B.1060405@gac.edu> References: <3E6E516B.1060405@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1047417384.3e6e52283a96b@webmail.cloudnet.com> We're just excited to post today. Sometimes mail gets hung up in the queue and doesn't get sent right away, but lately it seems like the TCLUG server reponse has been quite good. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Sun Mar 9 09:30:12 2003 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services as other users. Message-ID: <000001c2e650$cd0ae290$6401a8c0@laptop> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030309/781bdf5d/attachment.gif From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 14:50:19 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <3E6E4A29.6000302@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Erik Anderson wrote: > Can the client be hidden behind a NAT firewall w/ a public IP? Not easily -- it is possible to implement some hacks on the FreeS/WAN side to make it work. Basically, you can do the following: conn roadwarrior left=%defaultroute right=%any rightsubnet=%priv ..which will allow any box that has it's internal IP address set to a RFC1918 address to connect. This assumes, of course, that the NAT box understands IPSec properly. Oh, you need the NAT-Traversal patches for this to work. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Mar 3 11:51:17 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mysql Problems In-Reply-To: <000801c2e1a9$e0d9d4d0$0200a8c0@w2kjoey> References: <000801c2e1a9$e0d9d4d0$0200a8c0@w2kjoey> Message-ID: <62781.207.109.1.73.1046713877.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> > As I was setting up mysql server on a Red Hat 8.0 machine last night I > believe that I miss typed the root mysqladmin password when I set it. > Can anyone tell me how I can clear this as I cannot log into the > account. Thank you http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Resetting_permissions.html Josh _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 14:53:21 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <1047415690.3e6e4b8a8a10f@webmail.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, lxy@cloudnet.com wrote: > Does anyone know if it's possible to connect to a Novell Bordermanager > VPN with a linux client? I've *heard* recent versions speak IPSec and are compatible with FreeS/WAN. Never done it, though. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Mar 11 14:42:17 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E6E4A29.6000302@andersonfam.org> Nate Carlson wrote: > That's my document on how to do it with the built-in IPSec client in > Windows 2000/XP. It's not trivial, though, and requires a public IP > (dynamic, but public) on the client side. Can the client be hidden behind a NAT firewall w/ a public IP? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Mar 11 08:02:12 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro References: <3E6D555E.7070902@gac.edu> Message-ID: <3E6DEC64.6070900@structural-wood.com> Go for it - it's a great idea for a learning project. Way back in the 2.0.x kernel days I built a network bootable 'distro', and what I learned back then has been of great benefit to me over the years. (It's kind of scary when you can't remember what year something happened, but you can remember a kernel version...) Justin Haaheim wrote: > > What's wrong with just taking Knoppix, stripping out everything > you don't > > want, put in what you do want, slapping your own label on it, and > calling it > > golden? Klaus Knopper has done a wonderful job with all the hardware > > detection and running from RAM issues, so why not build off the > shoulders of > > giants, rather than work from the ground up? > > I'm doing this as much more of a heuristic venture than anything > practical. I'd like to know more about linux, and it seems like an > interesting project. Also, Knoppix is pretty complicated (using > compression and such); more than I'd be able to delve into without some > serious mentorship. > > justin > > > Peter Clark wrote: > > > On Monday 10 March 2003 02:50 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > > > >> I'm interested in creating my own Knoppix-like, minimalistic and > >> initially very simple Live (to be run from a cd) linux distro. My idea > >> was to use Debian as the base system. I'm more familiar with RedHat, > >> but I'd imagine that there's some copyright infringement problems if I > >> modify redhat and call it my own. > > > > > > Well, it's been a couple of years since I've touched The Horror > That Must Not Be Named, but last I checked, most of RH is Free software, > so all you would have to do is remove anything that is under their > copyright and remove all instances of "Red Hat" from any files. > > > >> Does anyone have any guidance or any resources you would like to > provide > >> me? Any pointers, websites, documentation, etc. would be useful. I'm > >> specifically wondering, now, how I would configure the distro to run > its > >> rw memory from ram. > > > > > > What's wrong with just taking Knoppix, stripping out everything > you don't want, put in what you do want, slapping your own label on it, > and calling it golden? Klaus Knopper has done a wonderful job with all > the hardware detection and running from RAM issues, so why not build off > the shoulders of giants, rather than work from the ground up? > > :Peter > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Mar 11 14:54:30 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <20030311201045.GA20867@sherohman.org> References: <20030311201045.GA20867@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <4641.204.220.62.130.1047416070.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > What tests are tripped for you on most of the list's mail? I whitelisted it, so I should have said (got). Spamassassin was set to default. I did not take time to look at what was tripped, but I always got 6 hits from this group. X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: SpamAssassin (6 hits) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Mon Mar 10 12:55:34 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] man links Message-ID: I think many apps in gentoo that are man-less have info pages, so try `info links` and see what turns up. Otherwise I second the recommendation that you use lynx instead. Though I veto the suggestion that you use mozilla. Phoenix (based on mozilla) is much nicer, IMO. Faster, smaller footprint, blah blah. Make sure you check out the gentoo forums to find how to turn antialiasing in mozilla/phoenix. Works very well now with freetype 2. You can also do this for fluxbox and openoffice, if you use them. -John >>> hodgson@humnet.ucla.edu 03/09/03 12:52AM >>> my gentoo distro has the browser 'links' but no 'man links' page; how do i get a man page for a given program? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ccox at linuxsnob.com Mon Mar 10 16:01:13 2003 From: ccox at linuxsnob.com (ccox@linuxsnob.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro In-Reply-To: <3E6CFA89.10404@gac.edu> Message-ID: Seems to me that there was a little distro called "finnix" that booted from cd & was a redhat - based distro. one of the google links says it's unsuported now, but there might be some good starting points if you are gonna try to pare down a redhat to fit in 700MB. On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Justin Haaheim wrote: > Hello all > I'm interested in creating my own Knoppix-like, minimalistic and > initially very simple Live (to be run from a cd) linux distro. My idea > was to use Debian as the base system. I'm more familiar with RedHat, > but I'd imagine that there's some copyright infringement problems if I > modify redhat and call it my own. > > Does anyone have any guidance or any resources you would like to provide > me? Any pointers, websites, documentation, etc. would be useful. I'm > specifically wondering, now, how I would configure the distro to run its > rw memory from ram. > > thanks > Justin > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- LINUX, because rebooting is for adding hardware! www.linuxsnob.com <-- a little linux humor, and a very little support. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Mar 11 11:55:35 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] test script & example for ckpasswd In-Reply-To: <3E69556F.7080707@talkware.net> References: <20030307160449.GA24048@mail.el-swifto.com> <3E69556F.7080707@talkware.net> Message-ID: <20030311175535.GA24508@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 08:29:03PM -0600, Eric Estabrooks wrote: > if you want to support md5passwords, which perl does if the system > library does you want to change your salt generation and crypt to > something more like this (the code snippet below also does a quick check > to see if the system supports md5passwords or not). > > sub salt_gen { > my $item = ""; > my $let = > "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ."; > for(my $i=0; $i < 8; $i++) { > $item .= substr($let, rand(length($let)), 1); > } > return $item; > } > > # check for md5 crypt support > $random_thing = salt_gen(); > $var = '$1$'.$random_thing.'$'; > $check = crypt("bob", $var); > if ($check eq "\$1Ai/bpypBusU") { # crypt doesn't support md5 > $var = $random_thing; > } > $crypt = crypt($ARGV[1], $var); > Eric: Thanks for the heads-up. Manpage crypt(3) on my system says: If the salt starts with $1$ an MD5 based password hashing algorithm is applied. The salt should consist off $1$ followed with eight characters. It turns out my 2-character salt was causing crypt() to use the DES crypt algo instead of MD5. I notice that ckpasswd works with either--code changes are left as an exercise to the reader. BTW, here's a more idiomatic salt generator: my @a = (0..9,'A'..'Z','a'..'z',qw[. /]); my $salt = join "", map $a[rand(@a)], 1..8; # or 1..2 for DES -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Mar 11 10:10:05 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <1047397295.24429.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 11 Mar 2003, Brady Hegberg wrote: > rpm -e telnet # rpm -e telnet-server > If a telnet offend thee pluck it out. I suppose that won't stop the > service but it will stop it from starting up again. Close, but no cigar. And yeah, I prefer removing a package entirely rather than just deleting it from chkconfig. Especially when it's telnet-server. :) Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Tue Mar 11 07:05:23 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro In-Reply-To: <3E6D555E.7070902@gac.edu> References: <3E6D555E.7070902@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303110705.23504.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Monday 10 March 2003 09:17 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > I'm doing this as much more of a heuristic venture than anything > practical. I'd like to know more about linux, and it seems like an > interesting project. Also, Knoppix is pretty complicated (using > compression and such); more than I'd be able to delve into without some > serious mentorship. In that case, I would suggest that you start with Linux From Scratch (http://linuxfromscratch.org). It won't guide you through the steps to creating a bootable CD, but you WILL learn a lot more about Linux that way. Once you've done that, then you can start in on cloop (compression) and all that. :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Mar 11 14:32:21 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E6E47D5.1000408@andersonfam.org> I'm gonna hop into the discussion here... Jima wrote: > Personally, I like FreeSWAN. It works pretty well, and thanks to people > like Marcus Muller and our own Nate Carlson, it's not too hard to > integrate Win2K/XP hosts. And contrary to poptix belief, IPsec can be > fun. :) Does this mean that I could do something like this: 1) Build a linux box with FreeSWAN to be used as a VPN gateway. 2) Have Windows clients easily connect to it to gain access to the LAN. If so, is there any documentation around on this? I've read a fair amount on FreeSWAN, but the documentation I've found always assumes that you have a linux box on either side... Thanks! -Erik _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 10 16:16:51 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (lxy@cloudnet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro In-Reply-To: <3E6CFA89.10404@gac.edu> References: <3E6CFA89.10404@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1047334611.3e6d0ed36cada@webmail.cloudnet.com> Quoting Justin Haaheim : > Hello all > I'm interested in creating my own Knoppix-like, minimalistic and > initially very simple Live (to be run from a cd) linux distro. One thing I learned awfully quickly is that if you feel the need to re-invent the wheel, you haven't gone wheel shopping in awhile. There are too many distros out there. Make sure you've searched for live CD distros before thinking that you need to roll your own. Whatever features you're looking for probably exist in some capacity. Just do some searching before taking on the task. Also, don't be afraid to use Redhat for building a distro off of. They are a large corporation, yes, but they're under the restrictions of the GPL just like the rest of us. In fact, Redhat has been known to take stuff out of their distro because it's not kosher GPL'd goodness. -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tommyo at dolemite.org Tue Mar 11 14:22:56 2003 From: tommyo at dolemite.org (Tom O'Neill) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? References: Message-ID: <010301c2e80c$00a2dc40$6501a8c0@tom> What is the best way to setup a VPN with Open Source software? I have read about freeSwan but is there other options? Thanks! TOM _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Mar 11 14:48:10 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (lxy@cloudnet.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1047415690.3e6e4b8a8a10f@webmail.cloudnet.com> Does anyone know if it's possible to connect to a Novell Bordermanager VPN with a linux client? -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 08:51:16 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1047394278.1160.11.camel@dedannshae> On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 07:33, Jima wrote: > Actually, RedHat switched to xinetd back in 7.0. I can only hope that > was a typo. :) Oops, yes it was. Yeesh, I've got a RH 7.3 server sitting in my living room, I ought to have remembered! > Also, chkconfig can be used to enable/disable xinetd services, too: > > # chkconfig telnet on > > You don't need (get) to specify a runlevel, as it'll apply to any > runlevels xinetd is activated in. Yep. 'chkconfig --list' will also show xinetd-controlled services. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "If we wanted you to understand it, we wouldn't call it code." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Mon Mar 10 14:50:17 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro Message-ID: <3E6CFA89.10404@gac.edu> Hello all I'm interested in creating my own Knoppix-like, minimalistic and initially very simple Live (to be run from a cd) linux distro. My idea was to use Debian as the base system. I'm more familiar with RedHat, but I'd imagine that there's some copyright infringement problems if I modify redhat and call it my own. Does anyone have any guidance or any resources you would like to provide me? Any pointers, websites, documentation, etc. would be useful. I'm specifically wondering, now, how I would configure the distro to run its rw memory from ram. thanks Justin _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Mar 11 14:36:33 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: <3E6E47D5.1000408@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Erik Anderson wrote: > Does this mean that I could do something like this: > 1) Build a linux box with FreeSWAN to be used as a VPN gateway. > 2) Have Windows clients easily connect to it to gain access to the LAN. Possible, yes. Easily, sort of. > If so, is there any documentation around on this? I've read a fair > amount on FreeSWAN, but the documentation I've found always assumes > that you have a linux box on either side... http://www.natecarlson.com/linux/ipsec-x509.php That's my document on how to do it with the built-in IPSec client in Windows 2000/XP. It's not trivial, though, and requires a public IP (dynamic, but public) on the client side. If you want to connect with a Windows client in an easier manner, I suggest using SSH Sentinel -- it supports NAT-Traversal, DHCP-over-IPsec, and a bunch of other features. I keep meaning to write up a document on how to configure it, but I've been way too busy lately. As long as you understand IPSec, it's not too hard to figure out, though. SSH actually provides some documentation on how to configure both ends, too. :) (Hint -- if you just want simple fuctionality without DHCP over IPSec, the server side setup I describe at my web page works fine.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Mar 11 14:19:14 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro In-Reply-To: <3E6E3C51.4030006@gac.edu> References: <3E6E3C51.4030006@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303111419.14580.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Tuesday 11 March 2003 01:43 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > I can relate, but it's in much scarrier terms. I date my dark past by > Dos, 3.1, 95 (shudder), 98 (shudder), ME (cry), 2000 (sigh of relief for > not having to use ME, and a shudder for still using windows), XP (one > final shudder), and Redhat (and there was much rejoicing). Justin, You are only 18, at least you didn't have to support those :) -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Mar 11 11:34:41 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro In-Reply-To: <3E6D555E.7070902@gac.edu>; from jhaahei2@gac.edu on Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 09:17:50PM -0600 References: <3E6D555E.7070902@gac.edu> Message-ID: <20030311113441.A9223@karl.iexposure.net> Great idea. Strip it down to the bare essentials, kernel/boot/cdrom. Get that working, then look at what other people are doing. Theres no magic formula either, put it together anyway that works for you. I've been wanting to try some of this. Very interesting potential for instant "appliance". Search "cdrom boot" on sourceforge.net, lots of projects, one that looks fun is: movix http://movix.sourceforge.net/ I've learned a TON of stuff doing something similiar with my Gateway Internet Appliance boxes that only has a CompactFlash for boot. Software can get so crufty its good to get down to basics sometime. I've now got my Gateway boxes scripted to NFS chroot over to another box and fire up RH8.0. Or they can boot standalone and be an appliance(picture slideshow is one idea I like.) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Mon Mar 10 15:45:05 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro In-Reply-To: <3E6CFA89.10404@gac.edu> References: <3E6CFA89.10404@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303101545.05736.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Monday 10 March 2003 02:50 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > I'm interested in creating my own Knoppix-like, minimalistic and > initially very simple Live (to be run from a cd) linux distro. My idea > was to use Debian as the base system. I'm more familiar with RedHat, > but I'd imagine that there's some copyright infringement problems if I > modify redhat and call it my own. Well, it's been a couple of years since I've touched The Horror That Must Not Be Named, but last I checked, most of RH is Free software, so all you would have to do is remove anything that is under their copyright and remove all instances of "Red Hat" from any files. > Does anyone have any guidance or any resources you would like to provide > me? Any pointers, websites, documentation, etc. would be useful. I'm > specifically wondering, now, how I would configure the distro to run its > rw memory from ram. What's wrong with just taking Knoppix, stripping out everything you don't want, put in what you do want, slapping your own label on it, and calling it golden? Klaus Knopper has done a wonderful job with all the hardware detection and running from RAM issues, so why not build off the shoulders of giants, rather than work from the ground up? :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 11 13:43:13 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] my own live distro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E6E3C51.4030006@gac.edu> I can relate, but it's in much scarrier terms. I date my dark past by Dos, 3.1, 95 (shudder), 98 (shudder), ME (cry), 2000 (sigh of relief for not having to use ME, and a shudder for still using windows), XP (one final shudder), and Redhat (and there was much rejoicing). John Hoffoss wrote: > Nah, just a sign that you're of the right mind. Now I will type another > line or two so that this response isn't just a one-liner. There, that > should do it. > > >>>>kent@structural-wood.com 03/11/03 08:02AM >>> > > > (It's kind of scary when you can't remember what year something > happened, > but you can remember a kernel version...) > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Mar 11 14:52:30 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E6E4C8E.6000204@andersonfam.org> Nate Carlson wrote: > Not easily -- it is possible to implement some hacks on the FreeS/WAN side > to make it work. Basically, you can do the following: > > conn roadwarrior > left=%defaultroute > right=%any > rightsubnet=%priv > > ..which will allow any box that has it's internal IP address set to a > RFC1918 address to connect. This assumes, of course, that the NAT box > understands IPSec properly. > > Oh, you need the NAT-Traversal patches for this to work. OK Thanks! It looks like I have something to play with now :-) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Mar 11 09:41:36 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <1047388732.1800.5.camel@dedannshae> References: <000c01c2e7ce$3f6e7d00$0300a8c0@master> <1047388732.1800.5.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <1047397295.24429.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> rpm -e telnet If a telnet offend thee pluck it out. I suppose that won't stop the service but it will stop it from starting up again. -Brady > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 07:00, Mike Partyka wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Was wondering if anyone could answer a question that I have had for some time now. > > > > In redhat your run level appropriate start scripts > > (rc.0, rc.1,rc.3,etc) are located in /etc/rc.d/rc.x, where x is your run-level. On my fairly bare-bone redhat installation, there are only about 18 start scripts in rc.3, but i am sure there are other daemons/services running, than are listed in this directory. I have checked my rc.local but are there other places i can check and if necessary stop certain daemons/services i don't want/need running? > > > > One more ?, looking in my /etc/services, almost nothign is pounded out, but yet telnet for example doesn't answer, where ultimately are these services turned on/off? > > First of all, there is a command-line front-end to the startup scripts > called 'chkconfig'. 'chkconfig --list' will show all configured services > on your machine, and their status as to whether they are to > automatically launch at boot or not, and also which runlevels they are > to run under. You can just enter 'chkconfig' to get a listing of > available options, but it is able to add new services, change the > current runlevel config of existing services, and also delete existing > services. > > As to your telnet question, several services run under the blanket of > inetd (in RedHat 8 they have changed to xinetd, which is both more > powerful and flexible). xinetd is configured through its files in /etc, > with one master file (with just a few default rules) xinetd.conf, plus a > whole directory of additional specific files in /etc/xinetd.d/, one file > per service. If you want to find telnet, look in /etc/xinetd.d/ for a > file called telnet. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Mar 9 22:44:01 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reminders via cron/at In-Reply-To: <1047267327.8209.5.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>; from cdf123@cdf123.com on Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 09:35:27PM -0600 References: <1047267327.8209.5.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20030309224401.A14569@thinkunix.net> cron is best for regularly repeated events, things you want to happen over and over again. at is best for one time events. as always, man pages our your friends: man at man cron Chris Frederick wrote: > Anyone here know how to set up cron or at to email a reminder to a > certain user or email address? Like every day at 4:30pm and every > Friday at 4:00pm? And witch one is better, cron or at for this? -- scot _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Mar 10 09:02:53 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jsdk In-Reply-To: <1047163844.13807.24.camel@ix.norsemen.org> References: <3E6A5A68.2000309@gac.edu> <1047163844.13807.24.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: <15980.43293.904220.250480@tsathoggua.mydomain> Perry Hoekstra writes: > On Sat, 2003-03-08 at 15:02, Justin Haaheim wrote: > > I downloaded and installed the j2sdk (1.4.1). I'm wondering what needs > > to be done next to get java fully set up. > > > > Either the java bin directory needs to be on the system path, or I need > > to set up links to java and javac in /usr/bin (or something). Is either > > way better? (and what file would I edit to have the java directory > > permanantly be part of the system path (for all users)) > > > > Secondly, all the files (including java and javac) in the java/bin > > folder are shell scripts. I would've thought they would be binaries. > > As it is, some makefiles I have can't access java because it would need > > to be ./java. Maybe I'm missing something. How have others of you > > configured the jsdk on your machine? That's because running Java programs correctly typically requires a very rich environment. So you need those shell scripts to get a reasonable CLASSPATH, etc., etc. I can't honestly imagine that anything other than a totally busted makefile would require ./java. Are you sure it doesn't just expect to find an unqualified "javac" or "java" in your load path (per the earlier suggestion by Perry)? If it really MUST have ./java, I'd suggest just building a symbolic link or, better, setting a JAVAC variable in the makefile with a pointer to the script. (perhaps ./java is a busted way of avoiding the need to have configure go out and look for the right java compiler? Write once, run everywhere, hah! More like write once, run once, if you ask me...) > > I prefer to set up the path to the JDK within my .bash_profile > > The reason is that it is not unusual to have to be running different > JDKs over time. If all the JDKs are parked in opt and you set it in > your profile, it is a small change and a source to change JDKs. I'd second this suggestion. There seem to be many programs out there that require old, or particular, JVMs. > > Perry Hoekstra > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sun Mar 9 16:48:44 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running services as other users. In-Reply-To: <000001c2e650$cd0ae290$6401a8c0@laptop> References: <000001c2e650$cd0ae290$6401a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <200303091648.44807.jack@jacku.com> On Sunday March 9, 2003 9:30 am, Jason Lanpher wrote: > Hi everyone, > > What is the best/easiest way to set up services such as tomcat to > run as a different user than root? > I don't know if this is the best or easiest way to do this but many of the SuSE init scripts simply use: su username -c "command you want to run" to run the service as a user other than root. One example is running postgresql's postmaster, it is run as user postgres. man su for details. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Mar 10 11:43:46 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reminders via cron/at In-Reply-To: Your message of "09 Mar 2003 21:35:27 CST." <1047267327.8209.5.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1047267327.8209.5.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20030310174347.0EB2EC198@wookimus.net> Chris Frederick wrote: > Anyone here know how to set up cron or at to email a reminder to a > certain user or email address? Like every day at 4:30pm and every > Friday at 4:00pm? And witch one is better, cron or at for this? at works better for one-timers. cron works better for repeated events. I have a real quick shell script to create email reminders for at(1) located on my site: http://wookimus.net/~chewie/src/remind It's a script that creates a reminder script. ;-) at(1) runs the reminder script and the script removes itself from the queue directory. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 8 17:07:25 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat ppc in rawhide Message-ID: <20030308170725.C4531@real-time.com> Some I'm looking at rsync sucking down linux/rawhide/ppc, I thought Redhat abandoned the ppc architecture?! This is -not- the ppc64 from IBM stuff. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sat Mar 8 10:43:51 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <200303081028.39347@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <247C208C-5185-11D7-87A4-000393B93C2A@us-admins.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 1284 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030308/02a2929f/attachment.bin From chewbaka at toughguy.net Sat Mar 8 00:02:05 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <1293.192.1.1.15.1047100298.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303071602.20050.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3E69395F.80604@gac.edu> <1293.192.1.1.15.1047100298.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <19619533218.20030308000205@toughguy.net> Saturday, March 8, 2003 @ 12:01:15 AM Central Standard Time wdc> Anyone know if there is a version of SSH that runs as a java script? check it http://www.appgate.com/mindterm/index.php Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Fri Mar 7 18:29:19 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <200303071602.20050.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303071602.20050.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <3E69395F.80604@gac.edu> that's all well and good if I'm connecting from a machine where I can access a unix shell, but what If I'm connecting from any other variety of os (namely, the windows machines here on campus) thanks justin James Spinti wrote: > On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > >>Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's >>all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server >>that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I can >>run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with java. > > > VNC runs unencrypted. You are better using X forwarding and compression > with secure shell. For example: ssh -X -C username@host > Then, from the $ there, run vncviewer 192.168.1.1:0 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Sat Mar 8 10:17:52 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mod_perl/apache configuration In-Reply-To: <20030307230525.GL29147@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 05:05:25PM -0600 References: <20030307164702.A18959@karl.iexposure.net> <20030307230525.GL29147@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20030308101752.A22444@karl.iexposure.net> This(and other options) seem to work only for specific directories. And when it does work, relative URLS don't, I need to use a leading slash which starts it at the root html folder. It's like apache has a completely different set of rules for mod_perl compared to php. On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 05:05:25PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 04:47:02PM -0600, Karl Bongers wrote: > > Is there some way I can associate .pl extension > > to always run as a perl script? > > AddHandler cgi-script .pl > > > Is there a way I can keep > > the URL's in my perl script relative? > > Umm... Write the script to output HTML which uses relative links? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From estabroo at talkware.net Fri Mar 7 20:35:07 2003 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Default user password (Still not solved!) In-Reply-To: <200303040958.43372.tanner@real-time.com> References: <200303040958.43372.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3E6956DB.4000004@talkware.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > On Tuesday 04 March 2003 08:29 am, Siems, Gregory wrote: > >>How about: >> >>useradd ... username >>echo my_spiffy_password | passwd --stdin username > > > look at autopasswd part of the expect package. Look at expect in general, > great tool. > http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-authors/id/E/EE/EESTABROO/Passwd-Linux-0.70.tar.gz even if you don't want to use perl you can still look at this, the guts that do the work of safely upated the password file are all written in C. The only thing is you have to give root access presumably via a suid program to whatever changes the password file, so it's inherently dangerous. Eric _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From estabroo at talkware.net Fri Mar 7 20:29:03 2003 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] test script & example for ckpasswd In-Reply-To: <20030307160449.GA24048@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20030307160449.GA24048@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3E69556F.7080707@talkware.net> John J. Trammell wrote: > Hey all: > > After struggling with the newer inn2/nnrpd auth features (in > particular with the lack of documentation for the ckpasswd > util), I Used the Source and was able to come up with this > test/driver script. I hope someone finds it useful some day. > Questions and constructive comments are welcome. > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > use strict; > > # test script for ckpasswd, Debian/woody inn2 install > > my $ckpasswd = "/usr/lib/news/bin/auth/passwd/ckpasswd"; > > sub mycrypt > { > my $pass = shift; > my @a = (0..9, 'A'..'Z', 'a'..'z'); > my $salt = $a[rand(@a)] . $a[rand(@a)]; > return crypt($pass, $salt); > } if you want to support md5passwords, which perl does if the system library does you want to change your salt generation and crypt to something more like this (the code snippet below also does a quick check to see if the system supports md5passwords or not). sub salt_gen { my $item = ""; my $let = "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ."; for(my $i=0; $i < 8; $i++) { $item .= substr($let, rand(length($let)), 1); } return $item; } # check for md5 crypt support $random_thing = salt_gen(); $var = '$1$'.$random_thing.'$'; $check = crypt("bob", $var); if ($check eq "\$1Ai/bpypBusU") { # crypt doesn't support md5 $var = $random_thing; } $crypt = crypt($ARGV[1], $var); Eric > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Fri Mar 7 17:05:25 2003 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mod_perl/apache configuration In-Reply-To: <20030307164702.A18959@karl.iexposure.net> References: <20030307164702.A18959@karl.iexposure.net> Message-ID: <20030307230525.GL29147@sherohman.org> On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 04:47:02PM -0600, Karl Bongers wrote: > Is there some way I can associate .pl extension > to always run as a perl script? AddHandler cgi-script .pl > Is there a way I can keep > the URL's in my perl script relative? Umm... Write the script to output HTML which uses relative links? -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Fri Mar 7 18:38:29 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E693B85.2040109@gac.edu> Thanks for your reply. I'm not quite clear with what I need to do, though. First of all, if I do this, won't I need to keep doing this everytime I add a file to this directory structure? It seems like there would be an easier way. If this is, indeed, the easiest way, could you outline again who owns what. Secondly, I don't seem to have an adduser command. thanks justin Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > ls -l /var/www | grep html > > Usually it has owner and group permissions. chmod 775 /var/www/html && > adduser yourusername groupname > > where groupname is the name of the group that owns the directory. Once you > log off/log on to refresh the group permissions, you should be good to go > for the most part. Because we didn't do the chmod recursivly, exiting > files and subfolders won't have the correct permissions. > > You'll want to use mode 664 on files and 775 on directories. You'll also > need to make sure any files you move to this directory are owned by the > group, not you. You can do this with the chgrp command. > > Probally the safest way to go about things so you don't have to muck with > the default permissions set on the webserver and such. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making > a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims > to be trying to take over the world." > -- > Kernel Panic: I have no root and I want to scream. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 8 10:29:29 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <200303071602.20050.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303071602.20050.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <200303081029.29740@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 07 March 2003 04:02 pm, James Spinti wrote: > On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > > Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's > > all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server > > that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I can > > run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with java. > > VNC runs unencrypted. You are better using X forwarding and compression > with secure shell. For example: ssh -X -C username@host > Then, from the $ there, run vncviewer 192.168.1.1:0 As an aside, doesn't tightVNC encrypt stuff? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Mar 8 10:32:08 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <3E69395F.80604@gac.edu> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <200303071602.20050.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3E69395F.80604@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303081032.08705@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 07 March 2003 06:29 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > that's all well and good if I'm connecting from a machine where I can > access a unix shell, but what If I'm connecting from any other variety > of os (namely, the windows machines here on campus) Public lab you have a whole set of new problems. A WINDOWS public lab you have even more problems. Way back in 1993 in my college days we'd install DOS (yes DOS!) tsr's to do keyboard capture on all the public lab DOS computers. Simple way to get lots of usernames and passwords. I'm sure there is a similar technique for Windows. If I have to use a public lab, I put my bbc into the CD (assuming they have one). Boot the bbc and ssh from there. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Mar 7 15:15:16 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <1047045360.23825.0.camel@friday.internal.dsl> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <1047045360.23825.0.camel@friday.internal.dsl> Message-ID: <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> It's probably not a good idea to open 5800 or 5900 onto the internet. I would suggest you install ssh/sshd. From the remote PC, you can run putty that can be configured to open a piggyback port. Example, I use putty at work to connect to my RH firewall at home. At the same time, putty listens on port 5999 on my work pc. Any connection on that port is mirrored to port 5900 on my laptop at home behind the firewall. Much safer. > Its not an answer to your question, but keep in mind that VNC also > requires port 5900+display to work. The 5800+display port is only the > applet viewer. > > Jay > > > On Thu, 2003-03-06 at 23:54, Justin Haaheim wrote: >> I'm trying to set up my firewall to allow incoming connections on port >> 5801 (remote desktop stuff). In red hat 8, i've tried using the >> "security" utility, but when I go to save and exit, it doesn't save >> the information. I'll go back into the utility and it will all be >> reset. Is there a file I can edit to change this information, or a >> better way to go about this (or does anybody know if there's a fix >> for this bug)? >> >> thanks >> justin >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Mar 7 23:11:38 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <3E69395F.80604@gac.edu> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303071602.20050.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3E69395F.80604@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1293.192.1.1.15.1047100298.squirrel@dccmn.com> Well, if you have a diskette drive on those machines, you can put putty on it. It does write some configuration info into the registry, but as long as you don't configure in your passwords... Anyone know if there is a version of SSH that runs as a java script? > that's all well and good if I'm connecting from a machine where I can > access a unix shell, but what If I'm connecting from any other variety > of os (namely, the windows machines here on campus) > > thanks > justin > > > James Spinti wrote: >> On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: >> >>>Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's >>> all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server >>> that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I >>> can run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with >>> java. >> >> >> VNC runs unencrypted. You are better using X forwarding and >> compression with secure shell. For example: ssh -X -C username@host >> Then, from the $ there, run vncviewer 192.168.1.1:0 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Mar 7 16:47:02 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mod_perl/apache configuration Message-ID: <20030307164702.A18959@karl.iexposure.net> Is there some way I can associate .pl extension to always run as a perl script? Is there a way I can keep the URL's in my perl script relative? So for example, I want this: , so that /var/www/html/mybad/myperlpage.pl shows this image: /var/www/html/mybad/gfx/myperlpage.pl _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Fri Mar 7 15:48:32 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache configuration Message-ID: <3E6913B0.4010807@gac.edu> I've set up a small webserver from my computer, and I'm just curious about the best way to configure the folders for it. the html root of the webserver is /var/www/html. I can't access this, though, under my normal login (i have to login as root). Should I change the permissions on this so that I can access it as my normal login, or should I make a sym link from html to some folder in my home directory, or is there an even better way to do this so that I don't have to be root to access the html folder. thanks justin _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Fri Mar 7 16:02:20 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303071602.20050.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Friday 07 March 2003 03:41 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's > all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server > that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I can > run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with java. VNC runs unencrypted. You are better using X forwarding and compression with secure shell. For example: ssh -X -C username@host Then, from the $ there, run vncviewer 192.168.1.1:0 -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Mar 7 19:50:06 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <3E69395F.80604@gac.edu> References: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> <23195.63.137.56.228.1047071716.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> <200303071602.20050.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3E69395F.80604@gac.edu> Message-ID: <20030308015001.GA4477@fandre.com> Once again, use putty. Then just connect to your system via putty/ssh, and forward a local port to port 80 (or whatever vnc is listening on) on your remote system. (in unix this would be "ssh -L 8080:localhost:80 remotesystem") Then fire up your browser and connect to localhost:8080 (or whatever the port you used.) Your connection will then be encrypted over your ssh connection. And you only need to have port 22 open on your system. Makes things very secure. More info: http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.53b/htmldoc/Chapter3.html#3.5 http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/sshwin.html On Fri, 07 Mar 2003, Justin Haaheim wrote: > that's all well and good if I'm connecting from a machine where I can > access a unix shell, but what If I'm connecting from any other variety > of os (namely, the windows machines here on campus) > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Fri Mar 7 14:54:01 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead Dell In-Reply-To: <1047057853.3e68d5bd7e069@webmail.cloudnet.com> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 801 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030307/99854d7c/attachment.bin From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Mar 7 15:52:12 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall In-Reply-To: <3E691208.5080101@gac.edu> Message-ID: | Why would it be a bad idea to open, say, 5801 to the internet? That's | all I would need to open. I have realVNC running a mini http server | that pops up a java applet to run vnc. This is nice because then I can | run the remote desktop from anywhere that has a web browser with java. Because VNC sends every keystroke in plain text. This is generally a really bad idea. :) | RH8 has a little program they call "Public file server" which, when you | go to http://yourip:8001/, opens a html file directory. It displays the | contents of a specific public file server folder that you specify. Are | there any inherent risks to this? Just exposing your files to the general public. I mean, if you want the world to read your e-mail, every document you ever wrote, etc. sure, leave it running. This soulds like a feature in RH that's just begging for an exploit. :-/ Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." -- Kernel Panic: I have no root and I want to scream. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Mar 7 14:33:49 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Open source Inventory management? In-Reply-To: <3E68FDB8.5070500@andersonfam.org> References: <3E68FDB8.5070500@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <14844.207.109.1.73.1047069229.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> > Hello all - I've been looking for an web-based inventory management > system. As you may expect, it will be used to track all of the "tech" > related equipment in the company and what user it is assigned to. > > I have tried out the IRMA project as well as phpMyInventory, both of > which are good products, but are lacking a bit of functionality. > > Any suggestions? None from experience. I'm on the freshmeat.net daily announcement and I see a bunch of these come accross. Here is a search: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=Inventory+Management§ion=projects&x=0&y=0 Inventory Management starts after you get to about the 5th hit. Josh _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Mar 7 12:59:14 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need useradd script In-Reply-To: <20030306202147.A36EDC199@wookimus.net> References: <40944.204.220.56.30.1046961886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <57504.198.74.20.75.1046968575.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <200303061344.55988@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030306202147.A36EDC199@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030307185914.GB30239@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 02:21:47PM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Or, install pwgen(1) and add the following lines to the script: > > #.... > useradd $i > pwd=`pwgen -s` > passwd -e $i $pwd > cat << EONEWUSER | enscript -P $PRINTER > Greetings, ${i}. Your new account has been created! Here is the > pertinent information from the finger(1) program: > `finger` `finger $i` no? > > Your new password is: $pwd > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Mar 5 22:00:14 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Off Topic -- Monitor needed Message-ID: <20030305.cI5.45649800@rivendell> PC Adventures has used monitors, don't know that they have anything that old. James Spinti (jspinti@dartdist.com) wrote: > >I know this is off topic, but this list is usually an excellent source for >old parts, so I'll give it a try. > >I have an old 286 here at work that has an MDA -- yes a monochrome display >adapter with printer port. I actually have an extra so that if it dies, I >can replace it. > >Anyway, the monitor has suddenly decided to go flaky. Does anyone have an >old monochrome monitor with the MDA pin outs? DEXIS isn't open yet, so I >can't check with them... > >It is not practical to move the software to another machine, it is a label >printing program and we haven't got the 5.25" disks anymore... > >James Spinti >jspinti at dartdist dot com >952-368-3278 ext 396 >fax 952-368-3255 > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Mar 6 08:44:46 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need useradd script Message-ID: <40944.204.220.56.30.1046961886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I need to create aprox 250 users. I have tried to use some import scripts from the net, but useradd is complaining. Does anyone have a script known to work on redhat 7.1 7-3. Might not make any difference, but I don't know too much about versions of useradd. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 7 11:07:56 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Certificate Authority? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 07 Mar 2003 10:53:40 CST." <42668.198.74.20.77.1047056020.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <42668.198.74.20.77.1047056020.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <20030307170756.E4965C15C@wookimus.net> "Munir Nassar" wrote: > A Certificate Authority is all about trust. Why not setup our own circle > of trust? Workable, but some software does get picky about who signs the certs. Then again, some software doesn't honor self-signed certs either. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Mar 4 23:25:49 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader In-Reply-To: <63350.209.98.213.140.1046802046.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com>; from MarkCourtney@MarkCourtney.com on Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 12:20:46PM -0600 References: <62413.209.98.213.140.1046745073.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <63350.209.98.213.140.1046802046.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20030304232549.A3118@karl.iexposure.net> I did some testing with my Sandisk SDDR-75(ImageMate dual reader for CF-SM). I have only tried CF, not SM. The older unit is a SDDR-31. The older unit works most of the time(It still not 100%). The newer unit has more trouble mounting and is inconsistent. The USB/Mass-storage/SanDisk kernel code is listed as experimental in both 2.4.18 and 2.5.41. The kernel modules needed for it to work include sd_scsi,usb-storage, scsi_mod. Make sure sd_scsi is loading, that was the problem with my Gateway boxes. Sometimes a 2nd mount would work after first failed. Reloading usb-storage module helped get it working after disconnecting USB. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at mail.iglide.net Tue Mar 4 09:59:29 2003 From: nota12b at mail.iglide.net (Wil) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Calling any/all SuSE 8.1 experts!? Message-ID: <200303040859.AA55902292@mail.iglide.net> I decided some time back to ride the RedHat horse to learn Linux with and have been (reasonably) happy with that decision so far with the 8.0 release. However, with the recent advent of the 'surveyware' for the RHN, and the subsequent crash of 1 of my boxen, I am wanting to try SuSE8.1 again. In order to keep the traffic to a minimum, please contact off (messageboard) line at: not a 1 2 b at iglide dot net Thanks for any/all help! Wil Remember the three R's of Micro$oft: Reboot. Reinstall. Reformat. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Mar 4 09:30:54 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader In-Reply-To: <62413.209.98.213.140.1046745073.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com>; from MarkCourtney@MarkCourtney.com on Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 08:31:13PM -0600 References: <62413.209.98.213.140.1046745073.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20030304093054.A5998@karl.iexposure.net> I got one of these a few months back, it seems a bit flaky for me as to when it will work. I haven't spent much time with it, but it appears to work when I do the following: 1. connect the usb device with a CF card in. 2. load my usb-controller(modprobe usb-uhci). My usb-storage is compiled into a custom 2.4.18 kernel. I can pop out the CF card, put in a new CF card and it still works. If I disconnect the USB device and reconnect it, it doesn't work. Sometimes it gives an error on the first mount attempt(mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/cf) but a second attempt works. When it is working, the green light comes on. As Jima says, when it is working you should be able to do a fdisk /dev/sda I couldn't get it to work at all on my Gateway Internet Appliance box. For that I want to try compiling the usb controller as a module to see if that changes anything. I suspect the usb-storage/SanDisk support for this device may be somewhat experimental, but it may be my wierd kludge boxen as well. I can try it on a RH7.3 box with stock kernel tonight. Also, someone at work here's got one of the older Sandisk readers that I should take home and compare with to see if it's an issue with the newer model. I've read that the older Sandisk USB readers should be stable. My PCMCIA to CF converter works flawlessly. On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 08:31:13PM -0600, Mark Courtney wrote: > Hey Group > > I just got a usb SanDisk ImageMate dual card reader (SmartMedia/Compact > Flash). I really need a clue as to how to mount it. My machine is Mandrake > 9.0 and the usb controller shows up in the hardware config. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Mar 7 10:53:40 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Certificate Authority? Message-ID: <42668.198.74.20.77.1047056020.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> My (self-signed) SSL cert just expired and i was googling for a "commercial" cert. first site i hit (thawte) wanted $350 for an Apache cert which got me thinking... why not a TCLUG-CA? A Certificate Authority is all about trust. Why not setup our own circle of trust? Munir Nassar RedConceps.NET _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Mar 5 15:18:49 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Secure Shell compression problem In-Reply-To: <200303051447.37534.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, James Spinti wrote: > I use RH 8.0 with apt. The other day, after the sendmail security > alert, I did my normal apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade on my home > machines. > > After that I started getting the following error: > no matching comp found: client zlib server none > whenever I try to use ssh with compression (ssh -C) > > I am using openssh-3.4p1-2 and zlib-1.1.4-4, both of which are the > latest versions according to apt. The frustrating thing is that my > machine at work has the same program versions and is working fine :( > And trying to run vnc over ssh with X forwarding is painfully slow > without compression, even with a T-1 and cable modem connections. What version of glibc? Could be that you're running one of the versions that doesn't support privsep with compression.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Mar 7 15:08:44 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Process Monitoring Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22320.63.137.56.228.1047071324.squirrel@dccmn.com> Check out the /proc directory. You can access details of running processes directly from there. Do a man proc. > Hi > I am in need of a way to find if a list of processes are running in a > linux machine (periodically from a C program). The only way which I knew > was to use the system() function call and call "ps -a" or a variant of > that. I came to know that system() is not a safe function call. Is there > any other way in which I can get that information ( say read any file > from the /proc directory or something like that??). This is an embedded > system with no user interaction so it has to be done automatically and > in a safe way. > > Also is there a way to make a program not to dump core if it seg faults? > > I am running Linux 2.2.14 kernel ( Stripped down version of RH 6.2) in > my machine. > > Thanks for the information. > > Sreekumar > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Tue Mar 4 20:47:36 2003 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] smbmount Message-ID: <3E656548.7080205@quotidian.org> Hi all, Hoping you can help me out here. I've got a RH8 system and a winxp system at home. I finally got around to messing around with samba to connect the two together. First I just thought I'd go one way and attempt to mount a shared folder from my windows computer. So I typed: smbmount //jonnerxp/SharedDocs/ /mnt/jonnerxp I typed in my password, and sure enough, there were all the documents. I proceeded to smbumount this share and tried a different share, jonnerdocs. I typed my password again, and it seemed to work, but when I went to /mnt/jonnerxp/ and typed 'ls' i got an error that said something like "stale NFS file handle". So I tried smbumount and it told me I couldn't do it. so I just did a regular old umount and it seemed to do something. Now, however whenever I try either of those shares, it give me the following error: 3120: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name) I know the share name is valid though because I did it just 20 minutes ago. I can also see them when I type smbclient -L jonnerxp: added interface ip=10.0.0.101 bcast=10.0.0.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 Got a positive name query response from 10.0.0.100 ( 10.0.0.100 ) Domain=[HOME] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] Sharename Type Comment --------- ---- ------- IPC$ IPC Remote IPC print$ Disk Printer Drivers SharedDocs Disk HPLaserJ Printer HP LaserJet 4L jonnerdocs Disk Server Comment --------- ------- Workgroup Master --------- ------- Any ideas?? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Mar 6 10:20:53 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need useradd script In-Reply-To: <40944.204.220.56.30.1046961886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <40944.204.220.56.30.1046961886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <53870.63.137.56.228.1046967653.squirrel@dccmn.com> I don't think the useradd script has changed in years. What sort of complaining is it doing? > I need to create aprox 250 users. I have tried to use some import > scripts from the net, but useradd is complaining. Does anyone have a > script known to work on redhat 7.1 7-3. Might not make any difference, > but I don't know too much about versions of useradd. > > > > > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Mar 7 10:04:49 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] test script & example for ckpasswd Message-ID: <20030307160449.GA24048@mail.el-swifto.com> Hey all: After struggling with the newer inn2/nnrpd auth features (in particular with the lack of documentation for the ckpasswd util), I Used the Source and was able to come up with this test/driver script. I hope someone finds it useful some day. Questions and constructive comments are welcome. #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; # test script for ckpasswd, Debian/woody inn2 install my $ckpasswd = "/usr/lib/news/bin/auth/passwd/ckpasswd"; sub mycrypt { my $pass = shift; my @a = (0..9, 'A'..'Z', 'a'..'z'); my $salt = $a[rand(@a)] . $a[rand(@a)]; return crypt($pass, $salt); } my %pass = ( foo => "bar", # user => passwd baz => "quux", gandalf => "friend", ); # # generate a password file for testing # open(TMP,">passwd.tmp") or die "can't open passwd.tmp: $!"; for (keys %pass) { printf TMP "$_:%s\n", mycrypt($pass{$_}) } close TMP; END { unlink "passwd.tmp"; } # # test each generated user/pass pair with ckpasswd # for (keys %pass) { warn "testing password for user '$_'\n"; open(CK,"|$ckpasswd -f passwd.tmp") or die "unable to open pipe to ckpasswd: $!"; print CK "ClientAuthname: $_\n"; print CK "ClientPassword: $pass{$_}\n"; if (close(CK)) { warn "...OK\n"; } else { warn "$!" if $!; print_exit_status($?); die "error testing userid '$_'"; } } sub print_exit_status { my $s = shift; my $exit = $s >> 8; my $signal = $s & 127; my $core = $s & 128; print < Hello all - I've been looking for an web-based inventory management system. As you may expect, it will be used to track all of the "tech" related equipment in the company and what user it is assigned to. I have tried out the IRMA project as well as phpMyInventory, both of which are good products, but are lacking a bit of functionality. Any suggestions? Thanks! -Erik Anderson _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Thu Mar 6 18:56:59 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Process Monitoring Program In-Reply-To: ; from skodak@cs.umn.edu on Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 04:08:24PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20030306185659.A13411@karl.iexposure.net> A few suggestions: man system look at source: rpm -qf `which ps` now you know the package name, look for .src.rpm on RH disks, (probably some really easy way to do this with debian) Or a strace might be more readable than some of this gunky old source: go.c: #include void main(void) { system("ps -e"); } strace -f go 2>&1 | tee go.log (looks like system is bad cause it spawns big bad /bin/sh, whereas you can spawn it directly with exec* functions.) On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 04:08:24PM -0600, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi > I am in need of a way to find if a list of processes are running in a > linux machine (periodically from a C program). The only way which I knew > was to use the system() function call and call "ps -a" or a variant of > that. I came to know that system() is not a safe function call. Is there > any other way in which I can get that information ( say read any file from > the /proc directory or something like that??). This is an embedded system with > no user interaction so it has to be done automatically and in a safe way. > > Also is there a way to make a program not to dump core if it seg faults? > > I am running Linux 2.2.14 kernel ( Stripped down version of RH 6.2) in my > machine. > > Thanks for the information. > > Sreekumar > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Thu Mar 6 15:19:43 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader In-Reply-To: <58366.198.74.20.75.1046871902.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <62413.209.98.213.140.1046745073.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <63350.209.98.213.140.1046802046.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <58366.198.74.20.75.1046871902.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <65082.209.98.213.140.1046985583.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Thanks a ton, Munir! That did the trick. Mandrake didn't have it enabled either. > took me a while but it finally clicked... i had this problem before, i (or > rather RH) did not have "probe multiple scsi LUNs" enabled. > > enable it, recompile and reboot > > Munir Nassar > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Mar 6 14:21:47 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need useradd script In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 2003 13:44:55 CST." <200303061344.55988@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <40944.204.220.56.30.1046961886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <57504.198.74.20.75.1046968575.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <200303061344.55988@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030306202147.A36EDC199@wookimus.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > If your text file is just usernames: > > for i in `cat username.txt`; do > useradd $i > done > > This creat accounts WITHOUT passwords! Or, install pwgen(1) and add the following lines to the script: #.... useradd $i pwd=`pwgen -s` passwd -e $i $pwd cat << EONEWUSER | enscript -P $PRINTER Greetings, ${i}. Your new account has been created! Here is the pertinent information from the finger(1) program: `finger` Your new password is: $pwd You will be forced to change your password upon your first login attempt. Please contact support@domain.tld for help or call at XXX-YYY-ZZZZ. Thank you for using domain.tld for your internet services! EONEWUSER -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Mon Mar 3 11:43:13 2003 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mysql Problems Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E0B46121D@msgmsp15.norwest.com> From: http://forums.devshed.com/archive/4/2001/06/4/17391 Kill the mysqd, and restart it with the option --skip-grant-tables (you have root access, right?). Now you can log in to mysql without a password, meaning that you can update your root password to whatever you want. Then restart the mysqld again as normal to use the new password. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck [mailto:chuckeal@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:25 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Mysql Problems As I was setting up mysql server on a Red Hat 8.0 machine last night I believe that I miss typed the root mysqladmin password when I set it. Can anyone tell me how I can clear this as I cannot log into the account. Thank you Chuck Licha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030303/10add1ee/attachment.html From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 3 13:58:14 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-DEVEL] Re: [TCLUG] JDBC/Access Driver In-Reply-To: <3E63A405.B6FD8AC7@ppdonline.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030303120000.00aea688@pop.pressenter.com> <3E63A405.B6FD8AC7@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <200303031358.14753.tanner@real-time.com> On Monday 03 March 2003 12:50 pm, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Last I checked there wasn't one (it was a few years ago though). That > makes sense if you think about it, Access only runs on Windows and ODBC > is present on every copy of Windows so when you need to interact with > Access just use the JDBC to ODBC bridge (sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver). > Thinking over that a bit more I suppose it may be a problem if you are > emulating Windows on Linux, I don't know if ODBC works in that > scenario. All my Linux boxes have been just Linux, no emulation, so > someone with more experience in that area may want to chime in about > ODBC support. > Later, > Ben. What type of JDBC driver? I assume Type 4? Add to that most (all?) JDBC Type 4 drivers are multi-threaded and Access is not. From personal experience Access is a terrible back-end to any web application, if that is what your are developing. The "best" tool I've used is commerial and is from Easysoft as is called JDBC-ODBC http://www.easysoft.com/products/2003/main.phtml -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ tclug-devel mailing list tclug-devel@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-devel From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Wed Mar 5 18:23:40 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] php/mysql help In-Reply-To: <1557.66.103.161.14.1046908671.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1557.66.103.161.14.1046908671.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <63562.209.98.213.140.1046910220.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> There is a user group for PHP in the Twin Cities. You can sign up for their list by visiting http://www.tcphp.org They are cool peeps and they're always more than willing to help you with anything PHP/MySQL. > After starting from zip for knowledge (or near it anyway) I am using > phpform generator to create what I need to enter new members (for our skate > park) and photos (hrefs) into my mysql database. > > I am digging, but could use some help with the rest. I need to create a > form using php that can bring up a member's info by entering their assigned > number into a form field. This would also need to bring up the matching > photo that has been uploaded to our web server. lastly, the page that comes > up on the user needs to have a field to enter arrival, and departure times. > This info would need to somehow be linked with the member. > > I realize this is off topic, so feel free to reply off the list. > > Thanks in advance > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Mon Mar 3 12:50:45 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] JDBC/Access Driver References: <3.0.6.32.20030303120000.00aea688@pop.pressenter.com> Message-ID: <3E63A405.B6FD8AC7@ppdonline.com> Last I checked there wasn't one (it was a few years ago though). That makes sense if you think about it, Access only runs on Windows and ODBC is present on every copy of Windows so when you need to interact with Access just use the JDBC to ODBC bridge (sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver). Thinking over that a bit more I suppose it may be a problem if you are emulating Windows on Linux, I don't know if ODBC works in that scenario. All my Linux boxes have been just Linux, no emulation, so someone with more experience in that area may want to chime in about ODBC support. Later, Ben. robert gullickson wrote: > > Looking for a nonproprietary, open JDBC/Access driver. > > thanks, > > rgullick > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Mar 3 20:59:52 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux blood donations Message-ID: <15972.5800.877141.712502@tsathoggua.mydomain> Just gave blood the other day and was pleased to have as a sticker choice a sticker saying "Be cool... be a blood donor" with a picture of a penguin. Give some open source blood today! R _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Mar 6 10:39:58 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need useradd script In-Reply-To: <53870.63.137.56.228.1046967653.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <53870.63.137.56.228.1046967653.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <1539.204.220.56.2.1046968798.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I should clarify. I need a script that can add 250 users that implements useradd. I am trying to run a couple scripts against a user.txt file. it reads it fine, but useradd does not like something about the syntax, so I am hoping someone has one that is known to work, since I am not sure what useradd does not like about the script. I just get the usual useradd help screen with every user my script tries to import. > I don't think the useradd script has changed in years. What sort of > complaining is it doing? > >> I need to create aprox 250 users. I have tried to use some import >> scripts from the net, but useradd is complaining. Does anyone have a >> script known to work on redhat 7.1 7-3. Might not make any difference, >> but I don't know too much about versions of useradd. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Raymond Norton >> Little Crow Telemedia Network >> 320-234-0270 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From skodak at cs.umn.edu Thu Mar 6 16:08:24 2003 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Process Monitoring Program Message-ID: Hi I am in need of a way to find if a list of processes are running in a linux machine (periodically from a C program). The only way which I knew was to use the system() function call and call "ps -a" or a variant of that. I came to know that system() is not a safe function call. Is there any other way in which I can get that information ( say read any file from the /proc directory or something like that??). This is an embedded system with no user interaction so it has to be done automatically and in a safe way. Also is there a way to make a program not to dump core if it seg faults? I am running Linux 2.2.14 kernel ( Stripped down version of RH 6.2) in my machine. Thanks for the information. Sreekumar _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Thu Mar 6 17:06:15 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead Dell Message-ID: <16915097430.20030306170615@toughguy.net> Thursday, March 6, 2003 @ 5:02:48 PM Central Standard Time I thought the group might like this one. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/29617.html Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Mon Mar 3 20:45:44 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader In-Reply-To: <62413.209.98.213.140.1046745073.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <62413.209.98.213.140.1046745073.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <200303032045.44830.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Monday 03 March 2003 08:31 pm, Mark Courtney wrote: > I tried to mount it like this, but it didn't work. > > # mount -t vfat -orw /dev/sdb1 /mnt/smart > mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist Did you also try /dev/sda1 as well? If that doesn't work, try it without the "1". :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 3 13:58:14 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] JDBC/Access Driver In-Reply-To: <3E63A405.B6FD8AC7@ppdonline.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030303120000.00aea688@pop.pressenter.com> <3E63A405.B6FD8AC7@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <200303031358.14753.tanner@real-time.com> On Monday 03 March 2003 12:50 pm, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Last I checked there wasn't one (it was a few years ago though). That > makes sense if you think about it, Access only runs on Windows and ODBC > is present on every copy of Windows so when you need to interact with > Access just use the JDBC to ODBC bridge (sun.jdbc.odbc.JdbcOdbcDriver). > Thinking over that a bit more I suppose it may be a problem if you are > emulating Windows on Linux, I don't know if ODBC works in that > scenario. All my Linux boxes have been just Linux, no emulation, so > someone with more experience in that area may want to chime in about > ODBC support. > Later, > Ben. What type of JDBC driver? I assume Type 4? Add to that most (all?) JDBC Type 4 drivers are multi-threaded and Access is not. From personal experience Access is a terrible back-end to any web application, if that is what your are developing. The "best" tool I've used is commerial and is from Easysoft as is called JDBC-ODBC http://www.easysoft.com/products/2003/main.phtml -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Mar 3 11:50:06 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail security hole In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62780.207.109.1.73.1046713806.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> > For those of you that missed it, root-level security hole in sendmail, > exploited by a specially-crafted message. > > Get your updates installed.. RedHat and SGI have released updates; > haven't seen them from other vendors yet. Or run qmail. :) Sorry, couldn't resist.... Josh _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Mar 3 11:39:59 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sendmail security hole Message-ID: For those of you that missed it, root-level security hole in sendmail, exploited by a specially-crafted message. Get your updates installed.. RedHat and SGI have released updates; haven't seen them from other vendors yet. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:08:09 -0800 From: Claus Assmann To: "bugtraq@securityfocus.com" , "vulnwatch@vulnwatch.org" Subject: sendmail 8.12.8 available Sendmail, Inc., and the Sendmail Consortium announce the availability of sendmail 8.12.8. It contains a fix for a critical security problem discovered by Mark Dowd of ISS X-Force; we thank ISS X-Force for bringing this problem to our attention. Sendmail urges all users to either upgrade to sendmail 8.12.8 or apply the patch for 8.12 that is part of this announcement. Patches for older versions can be downloaded from ftp.sendmail.org, see http://www.sendmail.org/ for details. Remember to check the PGP signatures of patches or releases obtained. For those not running the open source version, check with your vendor for a patch. There is a bug fix for ident parsing in 8.12.8. While this is not believed to be exploitable, if you are not upgrading to 8.12.8, you may want to turn off ident checking by adding this to your .mc file: define(`confTO_IDENT', `0s') For a complete list of changes see the release notes down below. Please send bug reports to sendmail-bugs@sendmail.org as usual. Note: We have changed the way we digitally sign the source code distributions to simplify verification: in contrast to earlier versions two .sig files are provided, one each for the gzip'ed version and the compressed version. That is, instead of signing the tar file, we sign the compressed/gzip'ed files, so you do not need to uncompress the file before checking the signature. This version can be found at ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12.8.tar.gz ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12.8.tar.gz.sig ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12.8.tar.Z ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12.8.tar.Z.sig and the usual mirror sites. MD5 signatures: 71b4ce8276536b82d4acdf6ec8be306a sendmail.8.12.8.tar.gz 2ecf7890c2ff5035aed8d342473d85a5 sendmail.8.12.8.tar.gz.sig b06953b5fd11f9cd63b1eb89625ad881 sendmail.8.12.8.tar.Z b505fc5b36fbba5b3af2afecb4d587b3 sendmail.8.12.8.tar.Z.sig You either need the first two files or the third and fourth, i.e., the gzip'ed version or the compressed version and the corresponding .sig file. The PGP signature was created using the Sendmail Signing Key/2003, available on the web site (http://www.sendmail.org/) or on the public key servers. Since sendmail 8.11 and later includes hooks to cryptography, the following information from OpenSSL applies to sendmail as well. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT EXPORT/IMPORT AND/OR USE OF STRONG CRYPTOGRAPHY SOFTWARE, PROVIDING CRYPTOGRAPHY HOOKS OR EVEN JUST COMMUNICATING TECHNICAL DETAILS ABOUT CRYPTOGRAPHY SOFTWARE IS ILLEGAL IN SOME PARTS OF THE WORLD. SO, WHEN YOU IMPORT THIS PACKAGE TO YOUR COUNTRY, RE-DISTRIBUTE IT FROM THERE OR EVEN JUST EMAIL TECHNICAL SUGGESTIONS OR EVEN SOURCE PATCHES TO THE AUTHOR OR OTHER PEOPLE YOU ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO ANY EXPORT/IMPORT AND/OR USE LAWS WHICH APPLY TO YOU. THE AUTHORS ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANY VIOLATIONS YOU MAKE HERE. SO BE CAREFUL, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. SENDMAIL RELEASE NOTES $Id: RELEASE_NOTES,v 8.1340.2.113 2003/02/11 19:17:41 gshapiro Exp $ This listing shows the version of the sendmail binary, the version of the sendmail configuration files, the date of release, and a summary of the changes in that release. 8.12.8/8.12.8 2003/02/11 SECURITY: Fix a remote buffer overflow in header parsing by dropping sender and recipient header comments if the comments are too long. Problem noted by Mark Dowd of ISS X-Force. Fix a potential non-exploitable buffer overflow in parsing the .cf queue settings and potential buffer underflow in parsing ident responses. Problem noted by Yichen Xie of Stanford University Compilation Group. Fix ETRN #queuegroup command: actually start a queue run for the selected queue group. Problem noted by Jos Vos. If MaxMimeHeaderLength is set and a malformed MIME header is fixed, log the fixup as "Fixed MIME header" instead of "Truncated MIME header". Problem noted by Ian J Hart. CONFIG: Fix regression bug in proto.m4 that caused a bogus error message: "FEATURE() should be before MAILER()". MAIL.LOCAL: Be more explicit in some error cases, i.e., whether a mailbox has more than one link or whether it is not a regular file. Patch from John Beck of Sun Microsystems. Instructions to extract and apply patch for sendmail 8.12: The data below is a uuencoded, gzip'ed tar file. 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Just a note that we were talking about ssh *sentinel*, which is SSH's IPSec VPN Client for Win32. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Mar 11 22:48:07 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best VPN? References: Message-ID: <015801c2e852$9344ff10$0201a8c0@brinstar> Nate Carlson writes: > I believe using sshd with pppd you could get all of that to work. I > could be wrong, though. TCP over TCP is a bad idea: http://sites.inka.de/sites/bigred/devel/tcp-tcp.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Thu Mar 13 10:26:00 2003 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:58 2005 Subject: *****SPAM***** [TCLUG] ? about redhat In-Reply-To: <20030313052755.GD32189@techmonkeys.org> References: <3853.204.220.62.130.1047413980.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <200303111552.25129@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030313052755.GD32189@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030313162600.GD5213@sherohman.org> On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 11:27:56PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > That's because you're scanning before the footer is added: > > 20_ratware.cf:header RATWARE_GROUPMAIL ALL =~ /Group Mail/ > 20_ratware.cf:describe RATWARE_GROUPMAIL Bulk email software fingerprint (Group Mail) found in headers > 50_scores.cf:score RATWARE_GROUPMAIL 2.900 > > "Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List" > ^^^^^^^^^^ > > I emailed the spamassassin guys, they didn't reply, a small change > in the footer (such as an extra space) would fix it. Assuming you're running the latest version, they must have simplified (and broken) that rule somewhere along the way. With the current Debian woody version (2.20), I've got: 20_head_tests.cf:header RATWARE ALL =~ /(?:4\.\.72\.1712\.3|ACE Contact Manager|Aristotle Mail|Avalanche|Calypso|clansoft|Cognigen|Cyber-Bomber|Crescent|DiffondiCool|Dynamic Mail Server|CTMailer|E-Broadcaster|E-mail Magnet|Ellipse Bulk Emailer|EmailBlaster|Emailer.Platinum|eMerge|Extractor|Floodgate|FlashSend|Goldrush|Group Mail|Internet Marketing|Mailcast|MailKing|MassE-Mail|massmail\.pl|Matchmaker|NetMailer|News Breaker|pop3.report|RamoMail|Ready Aim|Shopping.Planet|Stalker.s|TBBS\/TIGER|TOO BAD|TotalMailTURBO Mail|V3,1,6,1|V3,1,2,0|V3,2,2,0|V.null.\.1712\.3|WindoZ|WinNT.s.Blat|WorldMerge|YMR)/ 20_head_tests.cf:describe RATWARE Bulk email software fingerprints found in headers 50_scores.cf:score RATWARE -0.703 Simply changing the test to /\bGroup Mail\b/ seems like it should be sufficient to fix that rule. -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Mar 11 23:14:25 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file Message-ID: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> hello list- i am beginning to spec out a box that will run a php/mysql application, that will have (initially not many) up to a couple thousand dumb devices phoning home ever hour to 4 hours. each phone home will check to see if it has a new file to download. most phone homes wont have any thing to download. however, when a download becomes avail, it will be downloaded buy a group of anywhere from 1, 2... 50 on up to maybe 1000 units will be downloading the 3-4 meg file spaned over the phone home interval (1 - 4 hrs) for that group of units. so, if there is a group with 200 units in it, and their phone home interval is 1 hr, the next time a new download is made avail, all 200 units will want to dl that update over the next hour, (plus all the other phone home status checks from all the units). is this not really that much bandwidth or IO? I guess if 200 units over 1 hr dl a 4 meg file, its 800 megs over an hour, thats not all *that* much. I need to plan hardware/bandwidth wise to make sure this process works smoothly. Should i be looking at a dedicate box to run this? Currently its going on our main server which has other things like qmail, apache, and jabber servers running on it. thanks for any advice/insight. duncan _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Mar 12 11:28:10 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> <000c01c2e85c$21646ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030312141735.GS29067@mnsdev3> Message-ID: <001901c2e8bc$c0820f80$0201a8c0@brinstar> Thomas Eibner writes: > So you say that it's bloated to put in php as a module, but you never > the less implemented something for thttpd to run php as cgi? Nice. No. As I said, it runs as a CGI, not part of the web server. My patch adds handler support so that .php scripts are executed using the PHP CGI binary. Without this type of support, you would need to make your PHP scripts CGI's (i.e. make them executable and include the #!/usr/local/bin/php line). The advantage here is that you only pay for PHP when you are using it, not on every request. If you compile PHP statically, the performance is decent. On most sites, the majority of files are static (images), so this works out pretty well. I have been running this patch for a few months on my development box. > I believe apache.org is much of a testimony to Apache being able to > handle the load for whatever Duncan can throw at it 1). > What Duncan needs to make sure is that he has the pipe that can serve > it and as you point out, enough memory to have enough childs running. > > 1) http://www.apache.org/server-status > 3788 GB over the last 20 days, which is about 8 GB/hour or about > 2MB/s (byte, not bit). And this is without a new release within > those 20 days afair) That's only 38 req/sec, which is not much. My guess is that the Apache server on apache.org is not running mod_php or many other modules, causing the processes to be a lot smaller and making it irrelevant to his needs. 16mbit is nothing when it's large files (like the Apache source). Get Apache (especially with mod_php) to push 80mbit when it's 10k images, then I'll be impressed. There are some good benchmarks here: http://www.zeus.com/products/zws/capacity/scalability.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Mar 13 01:38:52 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic of a 3-4 meg file References: <1047446066.2018.19.camel@msp-65-29-4-226.mn.rr.com> <000c01c2e85c$21646ca0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030312141735.GS29067@mnsdev3> <001901c2e8bc$c0820f80$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030312192808.GY29067@mnsdev3> Message-ID: <001901c2e933$980df290$0201a8c0@brinstar> Thomas Eibner writes: > But most people that do use php, likely use it all over their website. That doesn't matter. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that just because the page uses PHP that every request is PHP. On a typical site, you will have at least 10-20 images for every page request. For many sites, the number is much higher. As an example, loading the front page of Slashdot required an extra 54 image requests. > Furthermore, when you load php you might see your memory usage > increase, but if it follows suit with other apache modules I've > worked with (mod_perl) the majority of it is shared memory and thus > doesn't have as large an impact as you would think. Unfortunately, that's not the case. I have a box running Apache with mod_php4 and mod_ssl and the processes take at least 15-30mb. That is real memory, not shared (the RES line from top on FreeBSD). > Even if it did > make a difference, it should not have an impact on the number of > requests that you can serve from Apache when it's static images > unless you goofed up and made php handle the mime-types for the > images. The impact is that each process contains PHP, therefore requiring a lot of memory, thus limiting the total number of processes you can have running. If I can only run twenty Apache processes before running out of memory, then that limits me to serving twenty clients at once. The number of actual users can be significantly less, since some browsers will use multiple connections. > And if you're in a high traffic/hit environment chances are > you have a seperate webserver for serving pictures. If you use a well designed web server like Zeus, you don't need two servers to work around a bad design. A possible alternative might be to use PHP under FastCGI with Apache. I don't think many people do that, but it could have significant performance advantages. > As to pushing 80mbit with Apache, I didn't have a problem doing just > that at home right now. > Serving a 10240 byte file over 100mbit network: (no keep-alive) > Transfer rate: 11294.81 [Kbytes/sec] received There is a huge difference between serving over a local network and serving real traffic. A good number of clients, perhaps a majority, will be modem users. This means connections stay open for much longer and have a lot of latency. Even with broadband, there is still a significant amount of latency involved. Try a concurrency of at least 500-1000 if you want to get anywhere close to real world usage. > Serving a 10240 byte file over localhost: > Transfer rate: 22876.10 [Kbytes/sec] received Any tests over localhost are basically worthless for a number of reasons. > These "tests" are about as trustworthy as any other test that is > put up on the web Correct. It is difficult to adequately simulate web traffic. > Of course this is not on a live site, nor is it from real clients > whose behaviour would be much different, but noone in their right > mind would try to serve all this from one machine anyway. Wrong. It is easily possible to serve this much traffic from one box. People were doing this at least three years ago. > Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.1 > Vanilla compile on hardware turning two years in july. No excessive > memory use from my 200 childs with PHP loaded. Sure, PHP isn't going to be huge just from being loaded (though it wouldn't really surprise me). Run some real scripts first and watch them grow. Again, real world usage. > I would expect nothing but good benchmarks showing how well Zeus > performs on the product website. I've seen nothing in my experience with web serving to indicate that they are misleading or incorrect. Given the architecture of Apache, it is quite easy to see why they are the way they are. Try benchmarking 1000 concurrent connections on Apache and on Boa or thttpd (or download the evaluation version of Zeus and try it out for yourself). -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 19 12:33:03 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 (tclug slackware admin?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303191233.03304@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 19 March 2003 09:16 am, gmcdavid@attbi.com wrote: > .... has been officially (though rather quietly) released: > > http://slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 TCLUG slackware admin, is ftp.mn-linux.org setup to mirror slack-9.0? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Mar 18 11:53:42 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318111559.023cae28@mail.citilink.com> References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20030318111559.023cae28@mail.citilink.com> Message-ID: <3E775D26.8060405@gac.edu> How would I use this to _browse_ the lan that I'm on? I can mount individual network shares from individual computers using samba or smb://host/share in konqueror, but is there a way that I can retrieve a list of all the computers on the network and browse through that to get to an individual computer? How would I do this? justin Patrick McCabe wrote: > kde3.0 has a LAN browser function under Services in the navigation panel > of Konqueror. You need to have kdenetwork3-lisa installed. > > Patrick McCabe > > At 09:56 AM 3/18/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >> Depending on technical you want to get, you can use smbclient itself. >> read >> the man page for more info. Otherwise, Konqueror itself should have the >> functionality built in for kde3.1 (use the uri smb://host/share ). >> You might >> also check out komba2 or gnomba. a search on Freshmeat will likely >> turn up a >> bunch of results. >> >> Jay > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Mar 12 13:06:23 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to spec a box to handle spikes in traffic ofa 3-4 meg file Message-ID: Duncan, You can use many options with a reverse caching proxy in front of it. It will handle the light busy work of serving the data to the clients of a slow connection, freeing up larger processes (CGI or mod-ed Apache) to serve the next client. See here for choices: http://www.web-caching.com/proxy-caches.html Apache is on the list there too. I guess it depends on what you use the PHP/MySQL coded part for: a) determining the need to download the 3-4MB file b) dynamically producing and serving the 3-4MB file c) both Which is it here? Troy _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Mar 17 08:55:16 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Best distro install for old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM In-Reply-To: <20030314233340.ECCD1813D@corb.mc.mpls.visi.com> References: <3E7206BC.7030001@gac.edu> <200303141352.49921.jspinti@dartdist.com> <20030314233340.ECCD1813D@corb.mc.mpls.visi.com> Message-ID: <200303170855.16652.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Friday 14 March 2003 05:36 pm, Mark wrote: > What would be the best, current and easiest Linux distribution to use > (including X Windows) on an old P60 512mg HD 40mg RAM? > > I do not want to upgrade the hardware in any way and would like to get > some useable speed out of it for a workstation. > Is it on a network? You might want to try out the Linux Terminal Server Project (www.ltsp.org) or the K-12 Terminal Server project (www.k12ltsp.org). I was playing with it for a while. I had a PII450 w/384MB RAM as the server and was using a P200 w/64MB RAM as the workstation and had good response across a 10BaseT hub. The nice thing is that you don't need any HD on the workstation, but can use it for local swap if you want. The response time is more a function of the server and network than the local machine. Otherwise, try Debian with a lite window manager... -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil at rephil.org Tue Mar 18 11:29:35 2003 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Flickering Screen (Perry Hoekstra) In-Reply-To: <20030318172401.23138.8297.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030318172401.23138.8297.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030318172935.DF7C573D70@maynard.rephil.org> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org writes: > Message: 5 > From: Perry Hoekstra > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Organization: > Date: 17 Mar 2003 20:04:47 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] Flickering Screen > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I have a question. I have an older Sony Muliscan 20se. Just recently, > the screen has started to flicker heavily. I can shut off the monitor > and turn it on which will resolve the issue for about five minutes. Now > this only occurs under X (The video card is a Matrox G450 with RedHat > 8.0/KDE). If I am at a basic terminal then there is no flicker, nor > under Windows 2000 (for when I have to dual-boot in order to do that > Office thang). Is X just pushing my old monitor more than the other > two? You don't say what video mode / resolution you are using under X and under Windows. If it is the same resolution under both, then I'm a bit stumped! If X is higher resolution, then that's likely your problem. You say that it resolves for about 5 minutes after power cycling the monitor. That makes me wonder if it's a heat related issue in a power supply. I had that happen on a Radius monitor that I mounted at an angle in a special console once -- not enought venting that way. (It was solved by removing the outer casing, so that the heat from near the cathode could rise and cool by convection instead of being trapped by the outer case.) Obviously, yours may just be old, but I wonder about your resolutions. Cheers, P -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Mar 14 17:01:01 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Certificate Authority? In-Reply-To: <200303071303.20119@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > Cuz I don't trust you! Well, you and poptix! Both too young to be trusted! :-P heh.. funny :) Since nobody else volunteered, i did it myself. Get your Certificate Requests signed by the TWin Cities Linux Users Group Certificate Authority by emailing tclugca@redconcepts.net Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Mar 12 15:01:37 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging out and shutting down In-Reply-To: <3E6F9E7F.9050501@gac.edu> References: <3E6F69EF.3000507@gac.edu> <200303121128.08181.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3E6F85B4.3060904@gac.edu> <1047497451.2532.8.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <3E6F9E7F.9050501@gac.edu> Message-ID: <3E6FA031.7010606@gac.edu> Ok, I've got a bit of new information. It turns out that kdeinit_shutdown doesn't even do what I want it to do. That brings me back to the login screen, but when I just tried it, it didn't shut down kmix properly. The only thing that has succesfully shut down kmix properly is the actual logout button on my KDE panel. Does anybody know what command(s) that specific button executes? Another thought occured to me. I could possibly achieve the same effect for what I'm going for if I could run a script that closes all programs properly first, and then just /sbin/halt's. Does anybody know how I would go about closing all programs running in kde the way that kde does it with the logout button? thanks justin Justin Haaheim wrote: > That didn't seem to work. It's the right idea though. I'd like to just > be able to run a script that logs out of kde properly first, and then > reboots. I don't know exactly why that didn't work. > > Any other ideas? > > justin > > Chris Frederick wrote: > >> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 13:08, Justin Haaheim wrote: >> >>> The probelm is that /sbin/reboot or /sbin/halt doesn't let kde do all >>> of its loggin out properly. >> >> >> >> Using script, lets call it "killitall", that contains: >> #!/bin/bash >> kdeinit_shutdown >> /sbin/reboot >> >> Couldn't you: >> $su - >> #nohup killitall >> >> nohup will not stop executing when your kde session ends, so the next >> line of the script would still be executed. And depending on your >> security you might not need to be root either. >> >> Is this what your looking for? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nightcanton at attbi.com Fri Mar 14 07:46:48 2003 From: nightcanton at attbi.com (Luke Steiner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Soundmax Cadenza Message-ID: <1047649607.13558.3.camel@deanna> I'm using Gentoo linux. I have a Gentoo server that is working perfectly and a 2.53P4 system that has a sound problem. The sound card is a Soundmax Cadenza. Which isn't supported by ALSA among other things. I have tried loading the i810 and via686 drivers via modprobe and it doesn't find a device. I tried this since it worked for someone with a different type of soundmax card. Any Ideas? Luke _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Tue Mar 18 10:01:11 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered In-Reply-To: <200303180956.50063.list@slushpupie.com> References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <200303180956.50063.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20030318160110.GF1965@mnsdev3> On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 09:56:50AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > Depending on technical you want to get, you can use smbclient itself. read > the man page for more info. Otherwise, Konqueror itself should have the > functionality built in for kde3.1 (use the uri smb://host/share ). You might > also check out komba2 or gnomba. a search on Freshmeat will likely turn up a > bunch of results. I can recommend komba2 from previous use. Mounting a partition is easy with it and you can make it tell you which command line you'd have to use to do it with mount/smbclient I believe. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Wed Mar 19 09:23:46 2003 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Flickering Screen Message-ID: > You don't say what video mode / resolution you are using > under X and under Windows. If it is the same resolution > under both, then I'm a bit stumped! If X is higher > resolution, then that's likely your problem. Both are running 1152x864 with 16-bit color. On the Linux side, I am running 3D hardware acceleration and the mga server. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Mar 19 11:40:11 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BMG music samples In-Reply-To: <49D8B50499A9D611A00D0008C7CFB4726957AE@ipserver1.interplastic.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com wrote: > Your problem might be similar this. > > http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2003/0317.barr_p.html Well, sort of. The main difference being that BMG swears that it DOES work with Linux and Macintosh, but they won't tell you how. ------------- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Mar 14 20:22:26 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get for redhat8 References: <3E7206BC.7030001@gac.edu> Message-ID: <002401c2ea99$b829d3c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Justin Haaheim writes: > I'm trying to set up apt-get for redhat8 to take care of updating more > parts of my system. What packages do you guys use apt-get for? would > you guys mind sending me a copy of your source.list file so I can see > how it's set up? feel free to e-mail me off the list I use apt-get on my Debian systems with "unstable" and it works quite well. I use it for all packaged software that I am not actively hacking on (mainly, thttpd and MyDNS). I use the standard repositories in addition to Gerrit Pape's repository. His djbware packages are very nice. http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Sat Mar 15 14:13:32 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware init script question References: <1925722016.20030315010551@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <00b701c2eb2f$5bbd0620$0200a8c0@local.lorenburlingame.com> > You may wish to start MySQL automatically at boottime, copy > /usr/local/mysql/share/mysql/mysql.server to /etc/init.d/ for SuSE, for Redhat it is /etc/rc.d/init.d instead of /etc/init.d/. Further you need to add symbolic links to /etc/init.d/rc3.d for SuSE and /etc/rc.d/rc3.d for Redhat. on my slack 8.1 box I just copied the mysql.server script to the /etc/rc.d directory made it executable (duh) and then manually added a little snippet to my rc.M (multiuser runlevel script) to run mysql.server. Yeah, it is a pain in the ass, but I have used slackware for my server for so long I am afraid to change. LB?????????????????????????????????????1???x ???2)?y?h?+?J??j??2)?z?-jm???? ????{??????n??b?????b?????!??l???j)fj?y???)???&?f??f??X??)???\????+- From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Mon Mar 17 19:11:12 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Webalizer Master Stats In-Reply-To: <001801c2ec2d$814e21e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <63936.209.98.213.140.1047865511.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <001801c2ec2d$814e21e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <62167.209.98.213.140.1047949872.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Thanks for the program, Daved, although when I piped the log file to it, I never got the multiple files. It's still not exactly what I'm looking for though. The "%V" option is a start. I would like a "master" log that contains all the requests made to Apache. The part that I'm finding difficult with Webalizer is making a report something like: Top 16 of 36 Total URLs # Hits URL 1 16 www.domain-x.com/ 2 32 www.domain-z.org/missing.html 3 64 www.other-domain.net/logo.png Webalizer makes the report with url's relative to / Top 16 of 36 Total URLs # Hits URL 1 48 / 2 22 /logo.png 3 21 /file.cgi Using the log file with all of the requests for multiple domains doesn't make a sensible report. Serveral different domains contain the urls '/home.html' and '/images/logo.jpg', etc. After digging through the docs, it doesn't seem that Webalizer supports the type of report above. I'd like this theory to be disproven, however. All of the web stats packages I've found do a report similar to Webalizer. Are there any packages that do a report like the one above or is there a way to generate the report with Webalizer? Thanks again LUG-ers > > You need a way to separate each virtual domain in the logs. Logging to a > single file is best for performance, so you should keep it that way. What > you want to do is prepend the hostname to each entry in the log file. > > To do this with Apache, copy the "combined" LogFormat directive and name it > vcombined. Add "%V " to the front the log format and set > "UseCanonicalName" to "no". Then set your CustomLog lines to use the > "vcombined" format. > > When you want to generate stats, you split the log files out by hostname. > I've attached a program called logsplit to do this. It outputs separate > files for each hostname. Pipe your log file into it. Then process the log > file for each hostname separately. See question 17 of the Webalizer FAQ > for more info. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at bgea.org Tue Mar 18 13:41:22 2003 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg listings inconsistant In-Reply-To: <20030318175810.GC20417@fandre.com> References: <1048006620.5971.39.camel@magnum.bgea.org> <20030318175552.GB20417@fandre.com> <20030318175810.GC20417@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1048016482.5976.50.camel@magnum.bgea.org> On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 11:58, Clay Fandre wrote: > Or > export COLUMNS=200; dpkg --list 'communicator*' > exactly. Thanks. Guess I didn't google hard enough. ~jh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wonder when they'll be shipping the CD's for those of us with subscriptions? ______________________ Shawn On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 gmcdavid@attbi.com wrote: > .... has been officially (though rather quietly) released: > > http://slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 > > Glenn McDavid > mailto:gmcdavid@attbi.com > http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Mar 19 09:42:16 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Flickering Screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E788FD8.9040202@gac.edu> Could it be an issue with the horizontal and vertical refresh rates? Perry Hoekstra wrote: >> You don't say what video mode / resolution you are using under X and >> under Windows. If it is the same resolution under both, then I'm a >> bit stumped! If X is higher resolution, then that's likely your problem. > > > Both are running 1152x864 with 16-bit color. On the Linux side, I am > running 3D hardware acceleration and the mga server. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Mar 19 13:50:00 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cube farm = noise, headphones? In-Reply-To: <20030319133803.A26629@real-time.com> References: <20030319133803.A26629@real-time.com> Message-ID: I've had a pair of Koss PortaPro headphones for ages. Excellent sound, collapsible, lifetime warranty that's actually honoured (I've had them replaced, for free, about 5 times). I'd still have them except the waranty doesn't cover the dog not leaving enough of them to be recognised as actual headphones. I don't know about glasses, but they aren't that big so I don't think it'd be a prob. URL: http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/02ProductDetailCall?ReadForm&Portable+Stereophones^PORTAPRO On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 tanner@real-time.com wrote: > I'm working in a cube farm and I find the background noise very distracting. I'm > thinking of getting head phones and white noise CD to help block out the noise. > Anyone have recommendation of headphones? > > Since I wear glasses, they need to "fit" when I have glasses on. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Wed Mar 19 14:19:58 2003 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Cube farm = noise, headphones? References: <20030319133803.A26629@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3E78D0EE.8080504@stonel.com> Fellow I know in the Air Guard has these, says they work well. Haven't used them myself. http://www.avshop.com/catalog/product.html?productid=1646&categoryid=24 Bob tanner@real-time.com wrote: >I'm working in a cube farm and I find the background noise very distracting. I'm >thinking of getting head phones and white noise CD to help block out the noise. >Anyone have recommendation of headphones? > >Since I wear glasses, they need to "fit" when I have glasses on. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Mar 12 14:44:01 2003 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT more about ssh, win32 platform In-Reply-To: <1047498803.25320.26.camel@kremer> References: <3E6F605A.9010104@cleosci.com> <200303121131.43083@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <1047498803.25320.26.camel@kremer> Message-ID: <20030312204401.GA9556@fireopal.org> On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:53:23PM -0600, Justin Kremer wrote: > I've done some searching on the internet, but I don't know what > Microsoft calls that kind of stuff and the words I use to describe it > are very general terms which don't turn up anything even remotely useful > to me. Well, in MS User Manager it's referred to as a "Home Directory". {So sayeth the Windows Tech Support geek - who would really like to get a gig as a part-time Windows Tech Support geek, part-time Linux support/admin geek} -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Mar 12 15:06:49 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] emu10k1 and kmix In-Reply-To: <3E6E6CB7.6070809@gac.edu> References: <3E6E5265.2050305@gac.edu> <200303111650.55274.list@slushpupie.com> <3E6E6CB7.6070809@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200303121415.56907.list@slushpupie.com> On Tuesday 11 March 2003 5:09 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > ok, but if I want it to run when I boot, how do i put it into init.d? I > can't seem to find chkconfig. If you want it to run at boot, place the script in /etc/init.d If you want to do it the "right" way, take a look at how other scripts are written in that directory and match it. If you dont, its not a big deal, things should work about the same way. Then, make sure you are logged in as root and run: /sbin/chkconfig --add scriptname /sbin/chkconfig --level 345 scriptname on What that will do, make your script capable of management by chkconfig. The second line makes your script run for runlevels 3,4, and 5. > Also, (no one has really answered this) what about my rebooting > question. When I run /sbin/reboot, it doesn't, apparently, properly > logout and shut down the programs, because my settings weren't saved > like they usually are when I formally logout and then hit reboot. What > shell command can I use to reboot the computer that will logout properly > so that my program's settings are saved. All reboot (and shutdown for that matter) does is call shutdown scripts which send terminating signals to all running applications and then halts or resets the CPU. You really want to log out of everything first, then call reboot. If you use Gnome and GDM, there is a reboot button which will log you out, then reboot, likewise if you use KDE and KDM together. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Thu Mar 13 12:32:37 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD Based distro Message-ID: <200303131232.37551.jspinti@dartdist.com> Just saw this: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4934373118.html Similar to Knoppix, but looks smaller. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Sat Mar 15 01:05:51 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware init script question Message-ID: <1925722016.20030315010551@toughguy.net> Saturday, March 15, 2003 @ 12:44:54 AM Central Standard Time Hello, and a good day to you all. I have been setting up the Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO from the Linux Docs Project on a Slackware 8.1 box. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO.html The instructions are based on using Red Hat & Suse. I am stumped when the instructions reference having services automatically start at boot time. example: You may wish to start MySQL automatically at boottime, copy /usr/local/mysql/share/mysql/mysql.server to /etc/init.d/ for SuSE, for Redhat it is /etc/rc.d/init.d instead of /etc/init.d/. Further you need to add symbolic links to /etc/init.d/rc3.d for SuSE and /etc/rc.d/rc3.d for Redhat. SuSe - /etc.init.d redhat - /etc/rc.d/init.d slackware - /etc/rc.d ????? --- Suse - /etc/init.d/rc3.d/ redhat - /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/ slackware - /etc/rc.d ????? also would the symbolic links also be put in /etc/rc.d ???? Anyone familiar with Slackware, I appreciate the help. Many Thanks, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Sat Mar 15 20:34:14 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sony handhelds Message-ID: <3E73E2A6.7060904@gac.edu> I just picked up a sony clie peg-sj20 handheld, and I'm trying to find info on support for it in Linux. Do any of you have experience with sony handheld sync-ing support in linux, or do any of you know of resources for this? thanks justin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From patrickm at citilink.com Tue Mar 18 12:57:17 2003 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered In-Reply-To: <3E775D26.8060405@gac.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318111559.023cae28@mail.citilink.com> <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20030318111559.023cae28@mail.citilink.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318124231.00a6b5f8@mail.citilink.com> Using smb://host/share (or just smb://host/) gives you access to a single computer. Using lan://localhost/ (which is what you get when you click on "LAN Browser" in the left panel) gives you a list of hosts. I had to install kdenetwork3-lisa to make this work, because it was not installed by default on my system (SuSE). You configure the range of IP addresses to scan in the KDE control center under Network/LAN Browser. The KDE LAN browser will show other services in addition to SMB (http, ftp, ssh). I just got it working recently and haven't used it much. For some reason I don't understand, the host list consists of host names for some machines and IP addresses for others. Patrick At 11:53 AM 3/18/2003 -0600, you wrote: >How would I use this to _browse_ the lan that I'm on? I can mount >individual network shares from individual computers using samba or >smb://host/share in konqueror, but is there a way that I can retrieve a >list of all the computers on the network and browse through that to get to >an individual computer? How would I do this? > >justin > > >Patrick McCabe wrote: >>kde3.0 has a LAN browser function under Services in the navigation panel >>of Konqueror. You need to have kdenetwork3-lisa installed. >>Patrick McCabe >>At 09:56 AM 3/18/2003 -0600, you wrote: >> >>>Depending on technical you want to get, you can use smbclient itself. >>>read >>>the man page for more info. Otherwise, Konqueror itself should have the >>>functionality built in for kde3.1 (use the uri smb://host/share ). >>>You might >>>also check out komba2 or gnomba. a search on Freshmeat will likely turn up a >>>bunch of results. >>> >>>Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From patrickm at citilink.com Tue Mar 18 11:19:26 2003 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing windows networks from samba -- unanswered In-Reply-To: <200303180956.50063.list@slushpupie.com> References: <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> <3E773FE9.2070300@gac.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030318111559.023cae28@mail.citilink.com> kde3.0 has a LAN browser function under Services in the navigation panel of Konqueror. You need to have kdenetwork3-lisa installed. Patrick McCabe At 09:56 AM 3/18/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Depending on technical you want to get, you can use smbclient itself. read >the man page for more info. Otherwise, Konqueror itself should have the >functionality built in for kde3.1 (use the uri smb://host/share ). You might >also check out komba2 or gnomba. a search on Freshmeat will likely turn up a >bunch of results. > >Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Mar 5 16:18:24 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Secure Shell compression problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303051618.24212.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Wednesday 05 March 2003 03:18 pm, Nate Carlson wrote: > What version of glibc? Could be that you're running one of the versions > that doesn't support privsep with compression.. glibc-2.2.93-5 on the machine at work and the ones at home :( -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Mar 20 21:29:41 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare and a Pine scripting question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303202129.43383.list@slushpupie.com> On Thursday 20 March 2003 07:44 pm, Shawn wrote: > Couple of questions. > 1) I'm looking at VMWare again, and am going to buy. However, my > question is this. I plan on running thin clients, with 2 or 3 connections > to the server at any given time. Is VMWare supported in this environment? Yes and no. It is possible to do this, however check the licening to make sure its legal. I dont think you can have multiple users with the same licence- but if you have seperate licences for each user it would be ok. > If so, is it the Desktop version or do I need to look more towards the GSX > server? My understanding of the GSX server was it was a different licening scheem and added "support" for remote sessions. I might be wrong though. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Mar 20 15:57:52 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re New to Linux - response In-Reply-To: <1048191664.21920.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <001101c2eef7$69ee4170$86a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <1048191664.21920.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <25427.63.137.56.228.1048197472.squirrel@dccmn.com> Compgeeks has an external modem for $24: http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=MDM Better stock up. > FYI: Hardware modems are always better but I got the cheap winmodem > that GN sells (~$10) and it (or the chipset anyway) has a downloadable > Linux driver. It's not zippy but it wasn't hard to install and it's > pretty dependable. > > Brady > >> Re the machine - I called General Nanosystems and talked to one of >> their techies who was very helpful on the hardware compatibility >> issue. As far as I can tell, provided I go with a hardware modem (he >> recommended US Robotics) and not a winmodem I should be okay with >> installing Linux on a system they build for me. (My last two PCs were >> from General Nanosystems and I like them a lot.) > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Mar 5 09:28:18 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday Message-ID: All the fun details are available at http://beer.tclug.org --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, March 7, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Stub and Herb's 227 Oak St SE Minneapolis, MN --- snip --- Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Mon Mar 3 22:54:55 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SanDisk USB Dual Card Reader In-Reply-To: References: <62526.209.98.213.140.1046748999.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <62898.209.98.213.140.1046753695.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> It doesn't want to decide. > Idea: Get rid of the vfat. Let it decide. # mount /dev/sda /mnt/smart/ /dev/sda: Input/output error mount: you must specify the filesystem type > What's in your /var/log/messages? Mar 3 22:51:40 localhost kernel: Device 08:00 not ready. Mar 3 22:51:40 localhost kernel: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 Mar 3 22:51:40 localhost kernel: FAT: unable to read boot sector Thanks again _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Mon Mar 3 14:14:50 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] JDBC/Access Driver In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030303120000.00aea688@pop.pressenter.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030303120000.00aea688@pop.pressenter.com> Message-ID: <20030303201450.GA11983@isis.visi.com> On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 12:00:00PM -0600, robert gullickson wrote: > Looking for a nonproprietary, open JDBC/Access driver. > As in a JDBC driver to Microsoft Access? If so, I'll assume you have your reasons for using that instead of something like PostgreSQL or MySQL. For MS Access, you can use the JDBC-ODBC bridge that comes with your JDK. Beware, it's extremely slow, but if you're using Access you probably don't need anything fast. -David _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Mar 7 14:47:32 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dead Dell In-Reply-To: <3E68D15C.9060000@cleosci.com> References: <16915097430.20030306170615@toughguy.net> <3E68D15C.9060000@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <20416.63.137.56.228.1047070052.squirrel@dccmn.com> Ever see what ricocheting silicon does? It's not pretty. :{)> > I don't mind the fact that he "executed" his Dell laptop, I mind the > fact that we are so wacked as a society, that this guy is in jail for > shooting his computer. We need to get a grip on reality! > > > B_o_B wrote: > >>Thursday, March 6, 2003 @ 5:02:48 PM Central Standard Time >> >>I thought the group might like this one. >> >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/29617.html >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Mar 19 19:14:23 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 (tclug slackware admin?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303191914.23315@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 19 March 2003 12:58 pm, Shawn wrote: > there isn't even an option to download Slack from ftp.mn-linux.org/linux > Ok, anyone willing to take over the slackware admin job on ftp.mn-linux.org? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Mar 19 22:59:16 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 In-Reply-To: <42984.63.137.56.228.1048100366.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <42984.63.137.56.228.1048100366.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20030320045916.GZ32189@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 12:59:26PM -0600, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > I've started spamd. Is there any other configuration work that needs to > be done to get spamc run by sendmail? Or has RH got another undocumented > trick to get that run? I tried their website but not much popped out. another? I haven't heard of the first, please enlighten me. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chuckeal at attbi.com Mon Mar 3 11:25:23 2003 From: chuckeal at attbi.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mysql Problems Message-ID: <000801c2e1a9$e0d9d4d0$0200a8c0@w2kjoey> As I was setting up mysql server on a Red Hat 8.0 machine last night I believe that I miss typed the root mysqladmin password when I set it. Can anyone tell me how I can clear this as I cannot log into the account. Thank you Chuck Licha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030303/34abfc6a/attachment.htm From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Mar 19 20:24:35 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions In-Reply-To: <3E78DED2.7060606@gac.edu> References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <3E78DED2.7060606@gac.edu> Message-ID: <3E792663.9020704@gac.edu> I named Dell as an option, but I'd like to clarify: I would highly recommend building your own machine over any pre-built computer. Justin Kremer made some good points. It's definitely something to consider. Justin Justin Haaheim wrote: > I would reccomend RedHat 8. I've found it to be quite stable and fully > featured, and installation is relatively painless. > > An option you might consider is that Dell (and possibly other companies) > are now officially producing linux boxes. They're not advertised on the > main page of their website, mind you, but I've heard that they will > preinstall a linux distro and ship the machine to you. > > cheers > justin > > > cxobert wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> I am new to this list, and new to Linux. >> >> I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd >> just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what it's >> like. >> I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what >> distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my >> machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done >> some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use feedback >> from experienced users. >> >> So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Charlie Obert >> cxobert@goldengate.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Thu Mar 6 23:54:50 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rh8 firewall Message-ID: <3E68342A.2010207@gac.edu> I'm trying to set up my firewall to allow incoming connections on port 5801 (remote desktop stuff). In red hat 8, i've tried using the "security" utility, but when I go to save and exit, it doesn't save the information. I'll go back into the utility and it will all be reset. Is there a file I can edit to change this information, or a better way to go about this (or does anybody know if there's a fix for this bug)? thanks justin _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 7 13:01:53 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tried to search archives got this message In-Reply-To: <9F8D2833932A0449B4AFC7B981E1E977A74DAB@MAILMP3.corp.isib.net> References: <9F8D2833932A0449B4AFC7B981E1E977A74DAB@MAILMP3.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <200303071301.53983@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 07 March 2003 08:51 am, Miller, John wrote: > Warning: Access denied for user: 'udm@archives.real-time.com' (Using > password: YES) in > /home/mailman/archives.real-time.com/html/tclug-list/db_func.inc on line 93 > Cannot connect to mysql host paladin.real-time.com as user udm We know about it, but it's very low priority right now. You should be able to find everything via google. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Mar 20 11:32:27 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mirrors.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20030320172703.GA26902@real-time.com> References: <20030320172703.GA26902@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030320173227.GA12547@iucha.net> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030320/8ef0455d/attachment.pgp From xpoverby at attbi.com Thu Mar 20 13:56:19 2003 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Message-ID: <3E7A1CE3.4090903@attbi.com> As you see from the replys there is no one "right" answer" to this question. It depends on what you want to do. First of all I love linux for the freedom of choice. I really don't want my OS vendor deciding what they can do with my system but Learning Linux does take some time because there are so many options. Unfortuantely you don't know what you don't know. Here's my 2 cents. WINDOWS CLONES If you want something that looks like windows, feels like windows, and acts like windows you might try Lindows. I'm not really ready for i becauseI don't particullarly like there click and run strategy but you can stick in your microsoft Application CD's and install and run them just like you would in windows (they won't all work correctly but you'd be surprise how many will). You can still download and install open source applications on your own. Go out to Walmart.com and pick up a 1.1gz duron with 128 meg memory and 10 gig hard drive for $199 Lindows OS pre-installed and Viola!!! you're a linux user. It really can be that simple. You might also try Xandros which comes with crossover office an excellent application for running windows apps but I have no personnel experience with Xandros. On the other hand if you really want to force yourself to learn linux by readiing docs and man pages and howtos and spending countless hours surfing the web then start with REDHAT I like redhat myself but I like it for its server setup and configuration. I also want to understand Linux internals. I use it for my desktop too but wouldn't really recommend it for someone looking for a desktop. Just recently I finally got bold and set up a redhat desktop for my 13 yr old daughter to use. It took several days to get everything right and I have experience. Little things that you may or may not care about. For example there is no java by default. My daughter hits the the sites heavy on java and flash so I had to install java and falsh plugins and I threw in plugger for quicktime movies as well. Things I don't really care about myself. The default PDF viewer is ok but acrobat reader is better. Another install. Her PC is mostly a chat room with an MP3 player. Instant messenger worked great right out of the box but Redhat does not support MP3. Another upgrade. The list goes on. Finally I've about had with redhat on the desktop for one very simple reason. Their menu sturcture is very illogical and virtually impossible to modify. SUSE / MANDRAKE. If you want something in between. Suse and Mandrake are pretty easy and tend to offer better "desktop" options right out of the box DEBIAN / SLACKWARE If you are really into S&M start with debian or Slackware. But if you really just want to learn and don't really care if you ever actually get to use Linux why not build your own distribution. http://www.rocklinux.org/about.html Finally, why a new PC? You could just pick up a new hardrive and try out Linux on your current PC. Of course what you don't know can still get you. I tried this with Lindows. It informed me that it was going to take over the entire disk but assured me that I would have an option to pick the harddrive I wanted if I had multiple harddrives. What it didn't tell me was that it only saw one drive beccause there was no partitioin table on the new drive. So just like that the windows partition is GONE. Fortunately, I really don't miss it one bit. Old habits die hard and sometimes a little extra push is really what you need. Good luck and congratulations. Welcome to the world of free computing. . cxobert wrote: >Hi. > >I am new to this list, and new to Linux. > >I am looking to get a new PC to install and run Linux on at home. I'd >just as soon see if I can do the installation myself to learn what it's >like. > >I could use feedback or advice on where to proceed - what >distribution(s) of Linux to look at, a suggested place to get my >machine, issues I should be aware of before or after I buy. I've done >some nosing around online and have some ideas, but I could use feedback >from experienced users. > >So - can anyone help point me in the right direction? > >Thanks in advance. > >Cheers, > >Charlie Obert >cxobert@goldengate.net > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com phone: 651-452-3233 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Mar 6 13:44:55 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need useradd script In-Reply-To: <57504.198.74.20.75.1046968575.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> References: <40944.204.220.56.30.1046961886.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <57504.198.74.20.75.1046968575.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <200303061344.55988@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 06 March 2003 10:36 am, Munir Nassar wrote: > > I need to create aprox 250 users. I have tried to use some import scripts > > from the net, but useradd is complaining. Does anyone have a script known > > to work on redhat 7.1 7-3. Might not make any difference, but I don't > > know too much about versions of useradd. > > one word: webmin Another word: why? Why expose your box to expolits via webmin? Back to thread: If your text file is just usernames: for i in `cat username.txt`; do useradd $i done This creat accounts WITHOUT passwords! If you need passwords, you could look at expects autopasswd program. The perl gurus can wipe something up that is more flexible. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From xpoverby at attbi.com Wed Mar 26 21:09:19 2003 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC OSX Message-ID: <3E826B5F.3060003@attbi.com> Somehow this seems like a stupid question but since I don't really understand the answer I quess I'll I have to ask it anyway. Can MAC OSX run on an Intel Platform? and why not? -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com phone: 651-452-3233 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 30 17:16:51 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Real Time's Linux lab Message-ID: <200303301716.51489@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> This is a blantant cheap plug :-) Ever wanted to show linux in a typical work environment? Maybe do some hands-on linux training? Maybe just show customers how well crossover office works? This post is for all you independant consultants out there, and people who wish to show linux can work on the desktop. Real Time now has a small (4 boxes) linux lab, where people can come and see linux on the desktop (and server) in action. It's a way to show people "office" software, be it openoffice, koffice or MS office (ala crossover). Selling linux on the desktop is hard, I hope this lab will help promote linux on the desktop by allowing people to come and see/play with linux on the desktop. If anyone is interested, please let me know. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sun Mar 30 18:36:21 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eFax on linux In-Reply-To: <16007.25753.770171.929542@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <16007.25753.770171.929542@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Is anyone using eFax through linux? They sorta support linux, since > they have as an option sending out the faxes as TIFF images instead of > their proprietary .efx format. > > But.... The eFAX tiffs are very oddly-shaped. They are 1728x1021 > multipage. Anyone have any suggestions about how to print these to > maximize readability? I have used ImageMagick display and when I print > them out they look like those cheap Target turtlenecks I used to buy --- > shrunken to about half-size in the vertical dimension and full size on > the horizontal dimension. The end-user isn't going to like these very > much.... I actually just set up my account with all the default settings, and the file they sent (although it had a weird extension) was actually a tiff, and printed just fine.. they might've changed it since I last tried it, though. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crow at mail.ahc.umn.edu Mon Mar 24 22:42:16 2003 From: crow at mail.ahc.umn.edu (John A. Crow (CCGB)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UMN modem pool + wvdial + RH-7.3 Message-ID: <200303250442.WAA12800@lenti.med.umn.edu> Anyone have a /etc/wvdial.conf file (w/o user & pw info) that you'd share that works with the UMN modem pool? I can dial out, and there is some negotiating going on, but the final connection never seems to be made. If I knew the conf file was ok, then I could look at other problems, so it would be helpful to look at one that really works. Thanks for any help! - John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Sun Mar 30 21:33:06 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hardware raid problem References: <3686.204.220.56.9.1048957668.squirrel@lctn.org> <3719.204.220.56.9.1048960900.squirrel@lctn.org> <1629.192.1.1.15.1048965014.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <005e01c2f736$3e658350$eb0210ac@DELL2> What would be a good pci raid controller that the would work with redht 8.0 ? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Sun Mar 30 23:06:11 2003 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FREE hardware In-Reply-To: <200303302240.00490@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200303301702.25926@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <41203400.20030330165905@toughguy.net> <200303302240.00490@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030331050611.GT24569@pasiphae.stderr.net> On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 10:40:00PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Sunday 30 March 2003 04:59 pm, B_o_B wrote: > > Sunday, March 30, 2003 @ 4:58:29 PM Central Standard Time > > > > Nice. I am interested in the AS/2 & the a/b switch. > > > > Can I stop by Monday afternoon? > > I'll drop all the stuff at Real Time's office. > > I assume that is OS/2 :-) OS/2 v 2.1 AS/2 Intelligent multi-port serial switch Are you sure? :) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Mar 30 22:58:01 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:04 2005 Subject: Announcing new want-ads (Was:Re: [TCLUG] FREE hardware) In-Reply-To: <20030331050611.GT24569@pasiphae.stderr.net> References: <200303301702.25926@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <41203400.20030330165905@toughguy.net> <200303302240.00490@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030331050611.GT24569@pasiphae.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3197.192.1.1.15.1049086681.squirrel@dccmn.com> I wonder if it would be possible to have the Want Ads section of TCLUG automatically posted to a mailing list when first published? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 31 09:36:29 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:04 2005 Subject: Announcing new want-ads (Was:Re: [TCLUG] FREE hardware) In-Reply-To: <3197.192.1.1.15.1049086681.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > I wonder if it would be possible to have the Want Ads section of TCLUG > automatically posted to a mailing list when first published? I was thinking the same thing. I always try to look at the classifieds page, but usually I forget about it. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Mar 31 08:07:55 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem woes In-Reply-To: <3E852C87.5020208@cleosci.com>; from gkrueger@cleosci.com on Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 11:17:59PM -0600 References: <1048894452.3807.14.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <3E852C87.5020208@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <20030331080754.A2705@karl.iexposure.net> I'd look for modem init strings that tell it to use a certain protocol over some other. There are several compression/ error correction protocols to choose from. You may be able to find some of the init strings in the Windows registry, or use a null modem cable over to another port to see what Windows sends out to the modem. On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 11:17:59PM -0600, gkrueger wrote: > 'got a question for y'all... > > I've got a 56k US Robotics Hardware modem on a machine that I use > sometimes for dial-up. Without going into a lot of detail (at the > moment) on the chat-scripts and how it's set up, has anyone run into a > condition like mine where dial-up performance is significantly better > through Windows 2000? > > I've used this modem both under W2k and RH8. Disappointing though it is > to admit, it performs superbly under W2k, but it performs slower and > continuously times-out under RH8. I then have to hang it up and > re-dial. As I said, it's a hardware modem (NOT a winmodem). I'll do a > TCP dump on it, and I can see it chugging away until suddenly it slows > down to where it just sends out a few unanswered packets. Shortly > thereafter, I'll get a browser notification that the connection has been > unexpectedly lost. > > I've scoured the internet and finally ran across one post from someone > who was having the same difficulty, but there was no response to his > post so it turned up as a dead end. > > I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone has any ideas or, perhaps, knows the > solution. > > Thanks much! > > Garrett _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Mar 30 22:49:54 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UMN modem pool + wvdial + RH-7.3 References: <200303250442.WAA12800@lenti.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <001601c2f740$f9178130$0201a8c0@brinstar> John A. Crow (CCGB) writes: > I can dial out, and there is > some negotiating going on, but the final connection never seems to > be made. Make sure you have all the CONFIG_PPP options enabled (at least as modules) in your kernel. Specifically, you probably need CONFIG_PPP_DEFLATE. The rest can't hurt. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sun Mar 30 21:25:04 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 - iso action In-Reply-To: <89343290836.20030329154233@toughguy.net> References: <89343290836.20030329154233@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <45880.192.168.0.3.1049081104.squirrel@192.168.0.3> > Saturday, March 29, 2003 @ 3:21:00 PM Central Standard Time > > Hello, and a good day to you all. While reading through the > alt.os.linux.slackware newsgroup last night I came across a link for the > new Slackware 9.0 - iso. Last I checked, ftp.slackware.com did not as > of yet have an iso for 9.0. I downloaded it this morning, with very > good speed from > ftp://ftp.kpn.be/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-9.0-iso/ > > I have also made it available on > ftp://b-o-b.homelinux.com/mirrors/slackware/slackware-9.0-iso > > I wanted to mention this to the group, as I'm sure their is someone else > patiently waiting for the iso, as I was. > > Rock-On & Take Care People, Thanks, going to download now! Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sun Mar 30 21:30:52 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Real Time's Linux lab In-Reply-To: <200303301716.51489@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200303301716.51489@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <45955.192.168.0.3.1049081452.squirrel@192.168.0.3> Bob, I might be interested. I am slowly migrating over to independant consulting... Thanks for the info, Josh > This is a blantant cheap plug :-) > > Ever wanted to show linux in a typical work environment? > > Maybe do some hands-on linux training? > > Maybe just show customers how well crossover office works? > > This post is for all you independant consultants out there, and people > who wish to show linux can work on the desktop. > > Real Time now has a small (4 boxes) linux lab, where people can come and > see linux on the desktop (and server) in action. > > It's a way to show people "office" software, be it openoffice, koffice > or MS office (ala crossover). > > Selling linux on the desktop is hard, I hope this lab will help promote > linux on the desktop by allowing people to come and see/play with linux > on the desktop. > > If anyone is interested, please let me know. Thanks. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Josh Trutwin http://trutwins.homeip.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 30 22:40:00 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FREE hardware In-Reply-To: <41203400.20030330165905@toughguy.net> References: <200303301702.25926@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <41203400.20030330165905@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <200303302240.00490@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Sunday 30 March 2003 04:59 pm, B_o_B wrote: > Sunday, March 30, 2003 @ 4:58:29 PM Central Standard Time > > Nice. I am interested in the AS/2 & the a/b switch. > > Can I stop by Monday afternoon? I'll drop all the stuff at Real Time's office. I assume that is OS/2 :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Sun Mar 30 16:59:05 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FREE hardware In-Reply-To: <200303301702.25926@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200303301702.25926@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <41203400.20030330165905@toughguy.net> Sunday, March 30, 2003 @ 4:58:29 PM Central Standard Time Nice. I am interested in the AS/2 & the a/b switch. Can I stop by Monday afternoon? Thanks, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net ********************************************************* Sunday, March 30, 2003, 5:02:25 PM, you wrote: BT> Since the classified part of the tclug web site isn't drawing much attention, BT> I thought I'd post here as well. BT> Bunch of free hardware from me here: BT> http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?catagory=computersell BT> Pictures here: BT> http://www.tanners.org/~tanner/gallery/forsale BT> First come first serve. BT> Send me email on what you want and it's yours. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 30 22:41:25 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hardware raid problem In-Reply-To: <005e01c2f736$3e658350$eb0210ac@DELL2> References: <3686.204.220.56.9.1048957668.squirrel@lctn.org> <1629.192.1.1.15.1048965014.squirrel@dccmn.com> <005e01c2f736$3e658350$eb0210ac@DELL2> Message-ID: <200303302241.25349@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Sunday 30 March 2003 09:33 pm, Raymond Norton wrote: > What would be a good pci raid controller that the would work with redht 8.0 3ware is what we moved to and they rock. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 30 17:08:35 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eFax on linux In-Reply-To: <16007.25753.770171.929542@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <16007.25753.770171.929542@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <200303301708.35927@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Sunday 30 March 2003 03:41 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Is anyone using eFax through linux? They sorta support linux, since > they have as an option sending out the faxes as TIFF images instead of > their proprietary .efx format. We've had better luck with hylafax, specially when integrating with win32 machines. http://www.hylafax.org -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Sat Mar 29 17:27:51 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hardware raid problem In-Reply-To: <1629.192.1.1.15.1048965014.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <1629.192.1.1.15.1048965014.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <3815.204.220.56.9.1048980471.squirrel@lctn.org> > What is the name of IDE-RAID comtroller. There are dozens to choose > from. > Is it a High Point? What Version? We've got the 374. > > You need to install the proper driver while booting the install disks. > High Point had drivers for their chips on their web site. > integrated Promise FastTrak100 I was booting off the CD. Do I need to boot from a floppy in this case? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Mar 29 08:42:39 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to monitor FastTrack RAID? In-Reply-To: <16005.43924.509434.513260@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <16002.31219.568408.117013@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20030328204511.GH2244@techmonkeys.org> <16005.43924.509434.513260@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <20030329144239.GK2244@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 08:20:04AM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > > Thanks for the tip. I just tried it and all I got was this. I'm assuming > it'll say something like 'Sense: drive failed' if a drive fails? So I > should just run this in a cron job and have it email me when something > other than 'Okay' shows up? > You can do that, or you can use the daemon that's meant to run all the time, and will report any problems to syslog. > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Sat Mar 29 15:42:33 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 - iso action Message-ID: <89343290836.20030329154233@toughguy.net> Saturday, March 29, 2003 @ 3:21:00 PM Central Standard Time Hello, and a good day to you all. While reading through the alt.os.linux.slackware newsgroup last night I came across a link for the new Slackware 9.0 - iso. Last I checked, ftp.slackware.com did not as of yet have an iso for 9.0. I downloaded it this morning, with very good speed from ftp://ftp.kpn.be/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-9.0-iso/ I have also made it available on ftp://b-o-b.homelinux.com/mirrors/slackware/slackware-9.0-iso I wanted to mention this to the group, as I'm sure their is someone else patiently waiting for the iso, as I was. Rock-On & Take Care People, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 29 13:10:14 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hardware raid problem In-Reply-To: <3719.204.220.56.9.1048960900.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <3686.204.220.56.9.1048957668.squirrel@lctn.org> <3719.204.220.56.9.1048960900.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <1629.192.1.1.15.1048965014.squirrel@dccmn.com> What is the name of IDE-RAID comtroller. There are dozens to choose from. Is it a High Point? What Version? We've got the 374. You need to install the proper driver while booting the install disks. High Point had drivers for their chips on their web site. > Had to move on. decided to install on hda, and set up the raid later for > user data. > > > > > >> I have a Tyan MB which has an integrated raid controller. I am trying >> to install redhat 8.0 on it. I have set it up as a mirror, but the >> install chokes during disk setup saying it can't read /dev (I think >> that is right). I have since broke the mirror, and tried to do a >> software raid (might have done it wrong), and got an error saying it >> could not read the second drive. anyone have any experience with this, >> so I can move ahead with the install? I really want to use the >> hardware raid rather then the software raid, since my machine stops >> and asks for user input when it senses a raid set has not been >> established. >> >> it would be great if I could correspond via email in realtime, since I >> am working on this now. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Raymond Norton >> Little Crow Telemedia Network >> 320-234-0270 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Mar 29 08:20:04 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to monitor FastTrack RAID? In-Reply-To: <20030328204511.GH2244@techmonkeys.org> References: <16002.31219.568408.117013@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20030328204511.GH2244@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <16005.43924.509434.513260@workstation.mn.mtu.net> >>>>> "MSH" == Matthew S Hallacy writes: MSH> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:11:31PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: >> I've got a system with a Promise FastTrack IDE RAID card in it and I'm >> wondering how one goes about monitoring it for drive failuers. I found out >> that I can cat /proc/scsi/FastTrack/0 and get some information and I could >> automate this, but I'm thinking that someone else has probably already done >> this and probably done it better than I will. Any suggestions? MSH> I'm fairly sure that those report SMART monitoring information -- I'd MSH> recommend trying out the smartctl package, and google for harddisk monitoring MSH> as there's a few different versions of the SMART monitoring stuff. Thanks for the tip. I just tried it and all I got was this. I'm assuming it'll say something like 'Sense: drive failed' if a drive fails? So I should just run this in a cron job and have it email me when something other than 'Okay' shows up? Here's my output: # smartctl -a /dev/sda Device: Promise 1X2 Mirror/RAID1 Version: 1.10 Device supports S.M.A.R.T. and is Enabled Temperature Warning Disabled or Not Supported S.M.A.R.T. Sense: Okay! -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lueyb at jilau1.Colorado.EDU Sat Mar 29 10:37:57 2003 From: lueyb at jilau1.Colorado.EDU (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mandrake 9.1 problems solved Message-ID: I think my 3rd cd got corrupted -- I did a fresh install with minimal software and didn't use the 3rd cd and now everything works! Thanks, Ben Ben Luey lueyb@jilau1.colorado.edu _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Mar 29 07:19:31 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC OSX In-Reply-To: <007901c2f5d7$bc69f6b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3E826B5F.3060003@attbi.com> <007901c2f5d7$bc69f6b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030329131931.GJ2244@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 03:44:04AM -0600, David Phillips wrote: > No. Apple has made the business decision to use OS X as a tool to sell > their overpriced hardware. Well said. > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Sat Mar 29 11:07:48 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hardware raid problem Message-ID: <3686.204.220.56.9.1048957668.squirrel@lctn.org> I have a Tyan MB which has an integrated raid controller. I am trying to install redhat 8.0 on it. I have set it up as a mirror, but the install chokes during disk setup saying it can't read /dev (I think that is right). I have since broke the mirror, and tried to do a software raid (might have done it wrong), and got an error saying it could not read the second drive. anyone have any experience with this, so I can move ahead with the install? I really want to use the hardware raid rather then the software raid, since my machine stops and asks for user input when it senses a raid set has not been established. it would be great if I could correspond via email in realtime, since I am working on this now. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Sat Mar 29 12:01:40 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hardware raid problem In-Reply-To: <3686.204.220.56.9.1048957668.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <3686.204.220.56.9.1048957668.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <3719.204.220.56.9.1048960900.squirrel@lctn.org> Had to move on. decided to install on hda, and set up the raid later for user data. > I have a Tyan MB which has an integrated raid controller. I am trying > to install redhat 8.0 on it. I have set it up as a mirror, but the > install chokes during disk setup saying it can't read /dev (I think > that is right). I have since broke the mirror, and tried to do a > software raid (might have done it wrong), and got an error saying it > could not read the second drive. anyone have any experience with this, > so I can move ahead with the install? I really want to use the hardware > raid rather then the software raid, since my machine stops and asks for > user input when it senses a raid set has not been established. > > it would be great if I could correspond via email in realtime, since I > am working on this now. > > > > > > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Sat Mar 29 10:52:17 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.1 problems galore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1048956737.2400.10.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 04:53, Ben Luey wrote: > I'm having lots of problems with Mandrake 9.1. I tried to upgrade from > mandrake 9.0, but the install hung on openoffice and corrupted my > rpm database, So I did a fresh install, but kept my home directory, and > the install went fine. I created a new login with an empty /home > directory, and my old username that has all my old config files, etc in > /home: With either login I have the following problems: > > galeon crashes immediatedly on the startup. > mozilla won't load because " error while loading shared libraries: > libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" > Under KDE or Gnome, there is not a menu list of the available programs > under the "start" menu. They are in the configuration, as seen with > menudrake. > rpmdrake has no sources installed, so it doesn't list packages not > installed that came on the install cds. I was able to fix this with > manually adding sources to urpmi, (although the list is without > descriptions and a list of files). > > Probably more problems as I go searching -- it feels like something in the > install got messed up and some important final configuration or something > got messed up -- I'm sure most people don't have a mozilla library error > on startup with a fresh install of Mandrake 9.1. But the install gave no > errors, so I'm at a loss for what to do and I don't know how my install > can be different for other people's, but clearly it is. Any ideas greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > > Ben Luey > lueyb@jilau1.colorado.edu > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Did you download the cd iso images? Did you check the md5sum for the files right before burning them? I had a problem with one machine that never seemed to work, error after error. Turns out the isos got corrupted after I downloaded them. I had to leave in a hurry so I didn't have time to burn them, so I transfered them through samba to my laptop, somehow the transfer messed them up and I waisted a whole day debugging the machine before I finally checked the isos and found the problem. The errors sound like the same ones I had. Make sure you check the isos before burning them. -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lueyb at jilau1.Colorado.EDU Sat Mar 29 04:53:24 2003 From: lueyb at jilau1.Colorado.EDU (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.1 problems galore Message-ID: I'm having lots of problems with Mandrake 9.1. I tried to upgrade from mandrake 9.0, but the install hung on openoffice and corrupted my rpm database, So I did a fresh install, but kept my home directory, and the install went fine. I created a new login with an empty /home directory, and my old username that has all my old config files, etc in /home: With either login I have the following problems: galeon crashes immediatedly on the startup. mozilla won't load because " error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Under KDE or Gnome, there is not a menu list of the available programs under the "start" menu. They are in the configuration, as seen with menudrake. rpmdrake has no sources installed, so it doesn't list packages not installed that came on the install cds. I was able to fix this with manually adding sources to urpmi, (although the list is without descriptions and a list of files). Probably more problems as I go searching -- it feels like something in the install got messed up and some important final configuration or something got messed up -- I'm sure most people don't have a mozilla library error on startup with a fresh install of Mandrake 9.1. But the install gave no errors, so I'm at a loss for what to do and I don't know how my install can be different for other people's, but clearly it is. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ben Ben Luey lueyb@jilau1.colorado.edu _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crow at mail.ahc.umn.edu Mon Mar 31 13:36:38 2003 From: crow at mail.ahc.umn.edu (John A. Crow) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UMN modem pool + wvdial + RH-7.3 References: <20030331180003.16434.20431.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3E8898C6.BDEF4FCC@ccgb.umn.edu> Hey - Thanks to all who helped out with this. Turns out this user's machine didn't have the nameservers configured in /etc/resolv.conf --- mea culpa! --- and that was all that was needed. Thanks again - - John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Mar 29 18:20:34 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hardware raid problem In-Reply-To: <3815.204.220.56.9.1048980471.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <1629.192.1.1.15.1048965014.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3815.204.220.56.9.1048980471.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <2103.192.1.1.15.1048983634.squirrel@dccmn.com> Hmm. We used the HPT chip. Try this: http://217.31.71.131/Promise_RAID_Howto.htm There were several other references on the net for this as well. Doesn't look real easy. >> What is the name of IDE-RAID comtroller. There are dozens to choose >> from. >> Is it a High Point? What Version? We've got the 374. >> >> You need to install the proper driver while booting the install disks. >> High Point had drivers for their chips on their web site. >> > > > > integrated Promise FastTrak100 > > > I was booting off the CD. Do I need to boot from a floppy in this case? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john4293 at umn.edu Sat Mar 29 17:25:05 2003 From: john4293 at umn.edu (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 - iso action In-Reply-To: <89343290836.20030329154233@toughguy.net> References: <89343290836.20030329154233@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20030329172505.0b72fbf9.john4293@umn.edu> the ISO was probably created using the image in isolinux/ on the slack-9 tree. that's how i made my ISO, you can actually get the entire gnome, kde (but not kdei) and the kernel source on the same cd but it's a bit over 700mb so you have to overburn the disc. i've been running slackware 9.0 on my desktop since about monday and i've been very impressed with it so far. 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Unfortunately, I need all of the > scheduling stuff. > > Has anyone used Outlook with Codeweavers Crossover Office? Does it work > decently? > > If I can get that working, and possibly get Visio working, I can use > linux all the time instead of being stuck in this dreadful windows > environment with ssh sessions to my BSD boxen. > > Hmm, this is the first time I've posted to list in at least 4 months or > so. Where has all the time gone... :) > > ---------------- > Jay Austad > Senior Network Analyst > Travelers Express / MoneyGram > e: jaustad@temgweb.com p: 952.591.3779 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Sun Mar 30 12:26:02 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fw: sendmail 8.12.9 available] Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDE98@mail.temgweb.com> > Please, this is for informational purposes only, no > qmail/postfix/exim is > more secure posts. :) Well, they are. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sun Mar 30 11:29:50 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fw: sendmail 8.12.9 available] Message-ID: For those of you that missed it. Please, this is for informational purposes only, no qmail/postfix/exim is more secure posts. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:19:48 -0800 From: Claus Assmann To: "bugtraq@securityfocus.com" , "vulnwatch@vulnwatch.org" Subject: sendmail 8.12.9 available Sendmail, Inc., and the Sendmail Consortium announce the availability of sendmail 8.12.9. It contains a fix for a critical security problem discovered by Michal Zalewski whom we thank for bringing this problem to our attention. Sendmail urges all users to either upgrade to sendmail 8.12.9 or apply a patch for your sendmail version that is part of this announcement. Remember to check the PGP signatures of patches or releases obtained via FTP or HTTP (to check the correctness of the patches in this announcement please verify the PGP signature of it). For those not running the open source version, check with your vendor for a patch. We apologize for releasing this information today (2003-03-29) but we were forced to do so by an e-mail on a public mailing list (that has been sent by an irresponsible individual) which contains information about the security flaw. For a complete list of changes see the release notes down below. Please send bug reports to sendmail-bugs@sendmail.org as usual. Note: We have changed the way we digitally sign the source code distributions to simplify verification: in contrast to earlier versions two .sig files are provided, one each for the gzip'ed version and the compressed version. That is, instead of signing the tar file, we sign the compressed/gzip'ed files, so you do not need to uncompress the file before checking the signature. This version can be found at ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12.9.tar.gz ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12.9.tar.gz.sig ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12.9.tar.Z ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12.9.tar.Z.sig and the usual mirror sites. MD5 signatures: 3dba3b6d769b3681640d0a38b0eba48c sendmail.8.12.9.tar.gz 19e39c9e9bc8fae288245c546639e1f4 sendmail.8.12.9.tar.gz.sig 268fc4045ba3eac6dfd9dc95d889ba5f sendmail.8.12.9.tar.Z 19e39c9e9bc8fae288245c546639e1f4 sendmail.8.12.9.tar.Z.sig You either need the first two files or the third and fourth, i.e., the gzip'ed version or the compressed version and the corresponding .sig file. The PGP signature was created using the Sendmail Signing Key/2003, available on the web site (http://www.sendmail.org/) or on the public key servers. Since sendmail 8.11 and later includes hooks to cryptography, the following information from OpenSSL applies to sendmail as well. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT EXPORT/IMPORT AND/OR USE OF STRONG CRYPTOGRAPHY SOFTWARE, PROVIDING CRYPTOGRAPHY HOOKS OR EVEN JUST COMMUNICATING TECHNICAL DETAILS ABOUT CRYPTOGRAPHY SOFTWARE IS ILLEGAL IN SOME PARTS OF THE WORLD. SO, WHEN YOU IMPORT THIS PACKAGE TO YOUR COUNTRY, RE-DISTRIBUTE IT FROM THERE OR EVEN JUST EMAIL TECHNICAL SUGGESTIONS OR EVEN SOURCE PATCHES TO THE AUTHOR OR OTHER PEOPLE YOU ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO ANY EXPORT/IMPORT AND/OR USE LAWS WHICH APPLY TO YOU. THE AUTHORS ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANY VIOLATIONS YOU MAKE HERE. SO BE CAREFUL, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. SENDMAIL RELEASE NOTES $Id: RELEASE_NOTES,v 8.1340.2.132 2003/03/29 14:02:26 ca Exp $ This listing shows the version of the sendmail binary, the version of the sendmail configuration files, the date of release, and a summary of the changes in that release. 8.12.9/8.12.9 2003/03/29 SECURITY: Fix a buffer overflow in address parsing due to a char to int conversion problem which is potentially remotely exploitable. Problem found by Michal Zalewski. Note: an MTA that is not patched might be vulnerable to data that it receives from untrusted sources, which includes DNS. To provide partial protection to internal, unpatched sendmail MTAs, 8.12.9 changes by default (char)0xff to (char)0x7f in headers etc. To turn off this conversion compile with -DALLOW_255 or use the command line option -d82.101. To provide partial protection for internal, unpatched MTAs that may be performing 7->8 or 8->7 bit MIME conversions, the default for MaxMimeHeaderLength has been changed to 2048/1024. Note: this does have a performance impact, and it only protects against frontal attacks from the outside. To disable the checks and return to pre-8.12.9 defaults, set MaxMimeHeaderLength to 0/0. Do not complain about -ba when submitting mail. Problem noted by Derek Wueppelmann. Fix compilation with Berkeley DB 1.85 on systems that do not have flock(2). Problem noted by Andy Harper of Kings College London. Properly initialize data structure for dns maps to avoid various errors, e.g., looping processes. Problem noted by Maurice Makaay. CONFIG: Prevent multiple application of rule to add smart host. Patch from Andrzej Filip. CONFIG: Fix queue group declaration in MAILER(`usenet'). CONTRIB: buildvirtuser: New option -t builds the virtusertable text file instead of the database map. Portability: Revert wrong change made in 8.12.7 and actually use the builtin getopt() version in sendmail on Linux. This can be overridden by using -DSM_CONF_GETOPT=0 in which case the OS supplied version will be used. Instructions to extract and apply the patches for sendmail: The data below is a uuencoded, gzip'ed tar file. Store the data between "========= begin patch ========" and "========= end patch ==========" into a file called "patch.sm" and apply the following command: uudecode -p < patch.sm | gunzip -c | tar -xf - This will give you these files (explanation for each file is on the left, only "prescan.VERSION.patch" are the files). prescan.8.12.8.patch only for 8.12.8, changes version string to 8.12.8p1 prescan.8.12.patch for 8.12.0 - 8.12.7, does not change version string prescan.8.11.6.patch only for 8.11.6, changes version string to 8.11.6p2 prescan.8.11.patch for 8.11.0 - 8.11.5, does not change version string prescan.8.9.3.patch only for 8.9.3, changes version string to 8.9.3p2 prescan.8.9.patch for 8.9.0 - 8.9.2, does not change version string Apply the appropriate patch to your version of the sendmail source code (change the version number below to the right one!), e.g., cd sendmail-8.12.8/sendmail patch < prescan.8.12.8.patch recompile sendmail, and install the new binary. ========= begin patch ======== begin 644 prescan.tar.gz M'XL("%)UA#X"`W!R97-C86XN=&%R`.U@612[(<#*P%W>[M.8\\G*-T?[_I!?.3`(_%%[L/KRW]/J M\4]]&'D3[D!GK(8]#CU]Z_CF$>(F\P`>K;3"CK2;_ M+//.)K:Z.O1&(V@-H!7.\UXKP):;FYO9^&HJ@9]G$S1#0D'5'-UP=!5:!*EV M38-6JU4P6=!#$T$F#8CA$-5AQ@*F5%*5$LF:117-,B`I$+VF!1;@[]8J0.UU MX,<'P>##,7>'NSAO$;R$D^-?=[;3RMG9A+\*9OZ`=X?#$.OJTR"*+]PHYF$] M:=-SK_:0EX?1`??/XS&VZ77_N_?ZN'^P<[B]NI6TZ'D7/&U5;72P?[A3;;'K M\?HCAL='\]V3OM[?RTUSW<[_?ZS>W5S`RG;ABAM&'XP+98D7.K0>*IU&9M MJBVOMN8,,>>IWEB)&50DUBB#[NR\L$)B.8(C,ZA"K+"5*I=JEF9(;8<1AZK7 MN:R%)LB8H3`T]*0`X"^Q3.)O#5X,^A0+3R^G9;)1> M(^__/*N8QM@$.XK=LV8RS%S!;$LL4;#1HLU'5W'1G.J:JNB:66[KM*#7L)ZJ\3;7`K"_]\VLU1]B@PJEXR"8 M!/ZYDY779E'(P[!1UW4-]#9M4Q!'!(\BU#P`T;3>W,X;"UFX]R8\G8`F_`"- M_O[_=DY/FN(D..SV=G*!M43:VZST/>[;C7=D8WOQ/#!-$?(SVQ+,?Z43G\_` MQYD7AGP"7@SN)_=S.?K-CUM;V/<@4[%D0ZY0+*0KS@M"9)_C7 M1*L!\FY.M[8R=C$^+$IUS4;R1ZG&T'//_2#BX/I#2*(YV^AIB_)JRC1$)&H_N;R466 M8A!5,4AEQ^"-8F`\>&VJQ95/HF3?H!YKJ,?:!OSY)V"@%G.AUR_]D[F]<<=> MVRHWP++-EC6KG0=Q`)7M5NR@;,(WWKW;*,HP1(@]?\:WBP$L'+IE*(9-*T.W MF6(2M1PZJB\6JW)TI0IC@9B!C^EXL]'>-=9_-M);QEF,DFQ4[$$8JXK&JAG- MPB(RGWV)@0>ZQ`?VV(646_TUT]`#:O:&+*'*8["$5R MGYIW*!:L9*%VZ895ZJBVHV5N>.'24UVA5GXZ"@OV!JE+\H9OQ'V?N;RV15?LM M[3H5F"(]Y!+C2M7+S/`)J3=5D6]%TH/3M(K_'P3]WXG_=6)J!?['%@+_$\HD M_I?X7^)_B?\E_I?X7^)_B?\E_I?X7^+_)X3_)7CZMO`?QKU?)O]+6(G_-%5/ M\[]$XK]GA?]L,X%1YM)J39\+MW.>R@VVJ.`]M+:?7;^(F:GIT/+Y7B'Q-JRG M(]!SB'V-(95P,\@V,(8U*V=\6J#-X;RC,#CC^S[ZX9$[2##3ZZ/]TZ/C-Z]V MT,-_I8BOMHNJ]:<3#(A>`IW#@$\0UFFZC8O(EM8:HQ&OB9` M]R]PG$ETQ<3C\EO!<28Q%%,E$L?=.X[#0$TQCEA*'CHVS.!^>%MV9RYR(]T]$Q=BM]:='ETE0NLFGTGZ9R M\:_?.\51[K]NW)8D+906$CJ$=E#)0K>!F^5'FTLRH0C)%B5J'TWXE,HT[#/" M_U\J_TL*_$\R_$^H)O&_Q/\2_TO\+_&_Q/\2_TO\+_&_Q/\2_\L\KJ2'P7]V M6WL@`'@7_C,Q;,[SOTQ+WO^EU)#X[UGA/Z8;M]<(G#;_88=NY->DKH+Y3-CE M9XCV,)8CIJ,:CJ:7GW2@D"5O]FJ.JE;;YEW?<`2J92AJ]86>M$#[RE_JC?QI MZ/GQJ)%$T,+3!"-(?M>_C[Z/ALC3GO!8**DDWN/TJ'NR=_I;]_BD=W2SY&W6 M0[4,79?Z/@E*.AOP(]3KX$"]4W^:KP!3W;Z]1CP*F']&K=OY-:F[CA%O&"8C MY1-JW;[SA5_54;4J0R[DYJ,(HBF,V(O@(3R1%WXS#1?@0WBJ`)'A%F?5/9\6 MJ%\*(#[^N[[,-A4]?X/S&\"(S+84G:H2(]X[1M1U0]&-RE[!&RRPG\.[OIJI M&$RM/$=BNF+HFLP1WW#-\EKG]G0\3 MWTCMI)DF8CSA)Q?G;9E"S46?X$:#053]SK7L/T5#%!JO>/B!3_CG)J@=UA&: M7/N>%?W1W5^T8F=Y&C?19<'WMH^I2_7CVBK^>Z#TW]WY/V86^(^(_PN*4E.7 M[_]*_"?QG\1_$O])_"?QG\1_$O])_"?QG\P12I(D29(D29(D29(D29(D29(D ?29(D29(D29(D29(D29(D29(D29JCOP%S5E@?`'@``)(D ` end ========= end patch ========== ------------ Output from gpg ------------ gpg: Signature made Sat Mar 29 10:10:43 2003 CST using RSA key ID 396F0789 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sun Mar 30 14:22:58 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fw: sendmail 8.12.9 available] In-Reply-To: <003301c2f6ef$426a13e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <003301c2f6ef$426a13e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, David Phillips wrote: > You're just jealous that I'll never again have to touch my qmail boxes > :) ..until someone actually thinks it's worth $500 to find a security hole, and takes the time to dig one out :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Mar 30 13:04:59 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fw: sendmail 8.12.9 available] References: Message-ID: <003301c2f6ef$426a13e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Nate Carlson writes: > Please, this is for informational purposes only, no > qmail/postfix/exim is more secure posts. :) You're just jealous that I'll never again have to touch my qmail boxes :) -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Mar 30 16:14:05 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fw: sendmail 8.12.9 available] In-Reply-To: References: <003301c2f6ef$426a13e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030330221404.GM2244@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 02:22:58PM -0600, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, David Phillips wrote: > > You're just jealous that I'll never again have to touch my qmail boxes > > :) > > ..until someone actually thinks it's worth $500 to find a > security hole, and takes the time to dig one out :) Finding exploits for qmail is like finding exploits for BeOS, not enough people run it to make it worthwhile =) > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 30 17:04:36 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hardware raid problem In-Reply-To: <3815.204.220.56.9.1048980471.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <1629.192.1.1.15.1048965014.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3815.204.220.56.9.1048980471.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <200303301704.36526@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Saturday 29 March 2003 05:27 pm, Raymond Norton wrote: > > What is the name of IDE-RAID comtroller. There are dozens to choose > > from. > > Is it a High Point? What Version? We've got the 374. > > > > You need to install the proper driver while booting the install disks. > > High Point had drivers for their chips on their web site. > > integrated Promise FastTrak100 > > > I was booting off the CD. Do I need to boot from a floppy in this case? As I have previous stated, the Promise RAID controller burned us at Real Time. I highly recommend AGAINST them. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 30 17:02:25 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FREE hardware Message-ID: <200303301702.25926@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Since the classified part of the tclug web site isn't drawing much attention, I thought I'd post here as well. Bunch of free hardware from me here: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?catagory=computersell Pictures here: http://www.tanners.org/~tanner/gallery/forsale First come first serve. Send me email on what you want and it's yours. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Mar 30 16:02:33 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to monitor FastTrack RAID? In-Reply-To: <20030329144239.GK2244@techmonkeys.org> References: <16002.31219.568408.117013@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20030328204511.GH2244@techmonkeys.org> <16005.43924.509434.513260@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20030329144239.GK2244@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <16007.27001.370297.912716@workstation.mn.mtu.net> >>>>> "MSH" == Matthew S Hallacy writes: MSH> On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 08:20:04AM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: >> >> Thanks for the tip. I just tried it and all I got was this. I'm assuming >> it'll say something like 'Sense: drive failed' if a drive fails? So I >> should just run this in a cron job and have it email me when something >> other than 'Okay' shows up? >> MSH> You can do that, or you can use the daemon that's meant to run all the MSH> time, and will report any problems to syslog. I started it up and got: Mar 30 14:09:31 mtu kernel: FastTrak : Unknown SCSI command , 0x4d Mar 30 14:09:31 mtu kernel: FastTrak : Unknown SCSI command , 0x3 Mar 30 14:39:31 mtu kernel: FastTrak : Unknown SCSI command , 0x3 I left it run for awhile and eventually my system ended up in a scsi reset loop and I had to do a hard reset of the machine, at which point I turned off smartd. Any ideas? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sun Mar 30 15:41:45 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eFax on linux Message-ID: <16007.25753.770171.929542@tsathoggua.mydomain> Is anyone using eFax through linux? They sorta support linux, since they have as an option sending out the faxes as TIFF images instead of their proprietary .efx format. But.... The eFAX tiffs are very oddly-shaped. They are 1728x1021 multipage. Anyone have any suggestions about how to print these to maximize readability? I have used ImageMagick display and when I print them out they look like those cheap Target turtlenecks I used to buy --- shrunken to about half-size in the vertical dimension and full size on the horizontal dimension. The end-user isn't going to like these very much.... Thanks, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Mar 29 17:55:57 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware 9.0 - iso action In-Reply-To: <89343290836.20030329154233@toughguy.net> References: <89343290836.20030329154233@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20030329175557.152e6183.sfertch@real-time.com> Just got my subscription CD's today in the mail. Haven't installed yet, but have a machine almost ready to go. =) Shawn On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:42:33 -0600 B_o_B wrote: > Saturday, March 29, 2003 @ 3:21:00 PM Central Standard Time > > Hello, and a good day to you all. While reading through the > alt.os.linux.slackware newsgroup last night I came across a link for > the new Slackware 9.0 - iso. Last I checked, ftp.slackware.com did > not as of yet have an iso for 9.0. I downloaded it this morning, with > very good speed from > ftp://ftp.kpn.be/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-9.0-iso/ > > I have also made it available on > ftp://b-o-b.homelinux.com/mirrors/slackware/slackware-9.0-iso > > I wanted to mention this to the group, as I'm sure their is someone > else patiently waiting for the iso, as I was. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Mar 28 13:52:34 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache + NTLM Auth? Message-ID: <3E84A802.8000607@andersonfam.org> I've been working for the past several days to get mod_ntlm working with apache. I'm running Apache 2.0.44. Has anyone had success at this? The documentation on the official mod_ntlm page isn't any help, and I've not been able to find any other supporting docs on the web. Thanks! -Erik Anderson _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Fri Mar 28 14:08:41 2003 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X-win32 alternative? Message-ID: ah... cool. I've never had to use ssh before so this is nice to know. As to how you use xhost. I usually just do an "xhost +" or "xhost -" (I can't remember which). One of those allows everything in. I believe there is a configuration files for it also. sim > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Kline [mailto:list@slushpupie.com] > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:46 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] X-win32 alternative? > > > In this case, it is not needed, because ssh is considered a > local X app and > already has privledges (ssh provides the proxy service via > tunneling so it > remains secure) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Fri Mar 28 18:19:44 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.1 *was* alsa SPDIF out on Mandrake 9.1 Message-ID: <4682AA7E.48BF3590.09BD8409@aol.com> I'm having a heckuva time finding a good mirror for the new release of Mandrake... is it possible for someone to upload their ISO's to Gladiator? Alternately, can someone suggest a reliable mirror? What nationality is Mandrakesoft? Is the company's home base in France or elsewhere? How does Mandrake 8.2 start XFree? I had to manually edit XFree86-Config-4 and every time I run XFDrake it edits the file back to its old settings. But at the end of configuring X with XFDrake, it asks if I want the computer to boot into X. So right now the computer isn't set to run X at boot. I have to log on as root, then run gdm. Is that what Mandrake does, just starts gdm at boot? Should I just ad a script to rc5.d to make starting gdm the last thing it does at boot? Thanks for any help anyone can give... -Nick Stolley _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Mar 28 15:29:38 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alsa SPDIF out on Mandrake 9.1 Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D4205A4F809@mail.temgweb.com> I have a CMedia CM8738 sound card on my box and I just installed Mandrake 9.1. I can't seem to get alsa working correctly, let alone the SPDIF digital output. /dev/snd does not contain any entries, even though I added the 3 lines that the alsa docs said to add to devfsd.conf. Any ideas? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Mar 28 21:33:05 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.1 *was* alsa SPDIF out on Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: <4682AA7E.48BF3590.09BD8409@aol.com> References: <4682AA7E.48BF3590.09BD8409@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E8513F1.7080707@real-time.com> AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > I'm having a heckuva time finding a good mirror for the new release of Mandrake... is it possible for someone to upload their ISO's to Gladiator? Alternately, can someone suggest a reliable mirror? ftp.mn-linux.org (which is gladiator) has a mirror, but it is currently still at 9.1 rc2. Maybe you already knew that, since you are asking for a *current* mirror of 9.1. But I was able to get my system up to 9.1 by installing rc2, then updating to Cooker, which by now is the same as 9.1 Final. > What nationality is Mandrakesoft? Is the company's home base in France or elsewhere? French, based in France. > How does Mandrake 8.2 start XFree? I had to manually edit XFree86-Config-4 and every time I run XFDrake it edits the file back to its old settings. But at the end of configuring X with XFDrake, it asks if I want the computer to boot into X. So right now the computer isn't set to run X at boot. I have to log on as root, then run gdm. Is that what Mandrake does, just starts gdm at boot? Should I just ad a script to rc5.d to make starting gdm the last thing it does at boot? Thanks for any help anyone can give... If you manually edit XFree86-Config-4, and then use XFDrake, yes, you will lose your manual changes. This is because XFDrake keeps its own meta-copy of XFree85-Config-4, and it makes changes to the meta-copy before finally writing the actual file. When you edit the real file, the meta-copy is not changed, and XFDrake is unaware that it is blowing away your config. Basically, you either live with XFDrake for everything, or don't use it at all after the first config is done. Well, in actuality the system starts X based on its runlevel, in /etc/inittab. Look for the line: id:5:initdefault: The "5" indicates runlevel 5, which tells the system to start X automatically upon boot. Your system will have a 3, meaning you have a text-only boot, from which you can login and "startx". Change the 3 to a 5, and the system will take care of starting X on boot. Beyond this, yes, there is a display manager that runs first, to allow a graphical login. Mandrake defaults to kdm, the KDE display manager, but you can change it to use Gnome display manager (gdm) or even the basic xdm (for which gdm is really just a pretty front end, while kdm is its own program). Check the /etc/X11/prefdm script to see how the display manager is launched. Hope this helps. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "If we wanted you to understand it, we wouldn't call it code." _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Mar 28 22:27:29 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.1 *was* alsa SPDIF out on Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: <4682AA7E.48BF3590.09BD8409@aol.com> References: <4682AA7E.48BF3590.09BD8409@aol.com> Message-ID: <1048912049.3018.4.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 18:19, AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > I'm having a heckuva time finding a good mirror for the new release of Mandrake... is it possible for someone to upload their ISO's to Gladiator? Alternately, can someone suggest a reliable mirror? > > What nationality is Mandrakesoft? Is the company's home base in France or elsewhere? > > How does Mandrake 8.2 start XFree? I had to manually edit XFree86-Config-4 and every time I run XFDrake it edits the file back to its old settings. But at the end of configuring X with XFDrake, it asks if I want the computer to boot into X. So right now the computer isn't set to run X at boot. I have to log on as root, then run gdm. Is that what Mandrake does, just starts gdm at boot? Should I just ad a script to rc5.d to make starting gdm the last thing it does at boot? Thanks for any help anyone can give... > > -Nick Stolley > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I got mine from ftp://ftp.phys.ttu.edu/pub/mandrake/iso/Mandrake91-cd1-inst.i586.iso ftp://ftp.phys.ttu.edu/pub/mandrake/iso/Mandrake91-cd2-ext.i586.iso ftp://ftp.phys.ttu.edu/pub/mandrake/iso/Mandrake91-cd3-i18n.i586.iso It's an official mirror for 8.2 on the Mandrake download mirrors list, but I found it has 9.1 now too. I got it in 27 hours on a 144k idsl pulling all 3 isos at once. It usually takes me that long for one iso at a time. Try giving that a try. -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Mar 28 14:45:11 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to monitor FastTrack RAID? In-Reply-To: <16002.31219.568408.117013@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <16002.31219.568408.117013@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <20030328204511.GH2244@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:11:31PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got a system with a Promise FastTrack IDE RAID card in it and I'm > wondering how one goes about monitoring it for drive failuers. I found out > that I can cat /proc/scsi/FastTrack/0 and get some information and I could > automate this, but I'm thinking that someone else has probably already done > this and probably done it better than I will. Any suggestions? I'm fairly sure that those report SMART monitoring information -- I'd recommend trying out the smartctl package, and google for harddisk monitoring as there's a few different versions of the SMART monitoring stuff. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Fri Mar 28 21:56:57 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.1 *was* alsa SPDIF out on Mandrake 9.1 Message-ID: <5BD22C18.3F783359.09BD8409@aol.com> > ftp.mn-linux.org (which is gladiator) has a mirror, but it is currently > still at 9.1 rc2. Maybe you already knew that, since you are asking for > a *current* mirror of 9.1. But I was able to get my system up to 9.1 by > installing rc2, then updating to Cooker, which by now is the same as 9.1 > Final. Thank you, if I decide to go that route...I may need some help configuring RPMDrake (or whatever it's called) to update with Cooker, but I'll work on it first. > French, based in France. Red Hat's American, right? Gentoo? Maybe Debian's in my future. > Well, in actuality the system starts X based on its runlevel, in > /etc/inittab. Look for the line: > id:5:initdefault: > > The "5" indicates runlevel 5, which tells the system to start X > automatically upon boot. Your system will have a 3, meaning you have a > text-only boot, from which you can login and "startx". Change the 3 to a > 5, and the system will take care of starting X on boot. I am pure idiot. Or more accurately, a dummy. To prove that point, I reference Chapter 2 of Linux For Dummies which is the first mention of runlevels. I have read this chapter, and since forgotten. Go figure I would actually use the information. > Check the /etc/X11/prefdm script to see how the display manager is launched. I do believe it is gdm, although I can't be 100% sure with my quick glance at /etc/X11/prefdm. > Hope this helps. Thanks! Helps a ton! -Nick Stolley _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Mar 28 18:16:58 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure In-Reply-To: <3E83F08E.2080104@cleosci.com> References: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> <63413.209.98.213.140.1048801469.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <3E83F08E.2080104@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <4800.192.1.1.15.1048897018.squirrel@dccmn.com> A can of Component Cooler will do the same thing. Some semiconductors like it better cold, especially if their not feeling well. > AH.. the mixed properties of thermal expansion... > > Mark Courtney wrote: > >>This is gonna sound really corny, but it's worked for me more times >> than I can count. >> >>1. Take the drive out of the laptop. >>2. Put the drive in a Ziploc bag. >>3. Put the drive and the Ziploc bag in the freezer for an hour or two. >> 4. After the drive is good and frozen, plug it back in and get your >> data off the drive before it warms up. >> >>I swear it works! >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Mar 28 23:07:52 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.1 *was* alsa SPDIF out on Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: <4682AA7E.48BF3590.09BD8409@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > I'm having a heckuva time finding a good mirror for the new release of Mandrake... is it possible for someone to upload their ISO's to Gladiator? Alternately, can someone suggest a reliable mirror? > use bittorrent, supposedly they have it already... Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Mar 29 03:44:04 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC OSX References: <3E826B5F.3060003@attbi.com> Message-ID: <007901c2f5d7$bc69f6b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Paul Overby writes: > Can MAC OSX run on an Intel Platform? and why not? No. Apple has made the business decision to use OS X as a tool to sell their overpriced hardware. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Mar 28 23:17:59 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem woes References: <1048894452.3807.14.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <3E852C87.5020208@cleosci.com> 'got a question for y'all... I've got a 56k US Robotics Hardware modem on a machine that I use sometimes for dial-up. Without going into a lot of detail (at the moment) on the chat-scripts and how it's set up, has anyone run into a condition like mine where dial-up performance is significantly better through Windows 2000? I've used this modem both under W2k and RH8. Disappointing though it is to admit, it performs superbly under W2k, but it performs slower and continuously times-out under RH8. I then have to hang it up and re-dial. As I said, it's a hardware modem (NOT a winmodem). I'll do a TCP dump on it, and I can see it chugging away until suddenly it slows down to where it just sends out a few unanswered packets. Shortly thereafter, I'll get a browser notification that the connection has been unexpectedly lost. I've scoured the internet and finally ran across one post from someone who was having the same difficulty, but there was no response to his post so it turned up as a dead end. I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone has any ideas or, perhaps, knows the solution. Thanks much! Garrett _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Mar 28 14:27:11 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to monitor FastTrack RAID? In-Reply-To: <200303281358.33372@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > Not going to be what you want to hear, but dump the promise > controller. These are the IDE RAID controllers that burn us on > ftp.mn-linux.org. Well, those were actually the SuperTraks.. totally different card/chipset.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 28 13:58:33 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to monitor FastTrack RAID? In-Reply-To: <16002.31219.568408.117013@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <16002.31219.568408.117013@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <200303281358.33372@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 26 March 2003 10:11 pm, Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got a system with a Promise FastTrack IDE RAID card in it and I'm > wondering how one goes about monitoring it for drive failuers. I found out > that I can cat /proc/scsi/FastTrack/0 and get some information and I could > automate this, but I'm thinking that someone else has probably already done > this and probably done it better than I will. Any suggestions? Not going to be what you want to hear, but dump the promise controller. These are the IDE RAID controllers that burn us on ftp.mn-linux.org. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Mar 28 13:56:15 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde desktop = single large window in fluxbox? In-Reply-To: <20030326210938.A8001@lemongecko.org> References: <20030326210938.A8001@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <200303281356.15900@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 26 March 2003 09:09 pm, Dan Drake wrote: > I want all the KDE stuff *except* the desktop because I like the usual > fluxbox desktop. I've looked in the startkde script, but it doesn't start > the desktop -- something else in the startup process does. I've only used kwin as my window manager. In fact, I have never used any other window manager. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Thu Mar 27 16:38:31 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure In-Reply-To: <63413.209.98.213.140.1048801469.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> <63413.209.98.213.140.1048801469.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20030327223831.GA2016@isis.visi.com> That does sound corny -- can't wait to try it. What has me most curious is how you came across this technique. -David On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 03:44:29PM -0600, Mark Courtney wrote: > This is gonna sound really corny, but it's worked for me more times than I > can count. > > 1. Take the drive out of the laptop. > 2. Put the drive in a Ziploc bag. > 3. Put the drive and the Ziploc bag in the freezer for an hour or two. > 4. After the drive is good and frozen, plug it back in and get your data off > the drive before it warms up. > > I swear it works! > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Fri Mar 28 13:16:00 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure In-Reply-To: <20030327223831.GA2016@isis.visi.com> References: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> <63413.209.98.213.140.1048801469.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <20030327223831.GA2016@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <63469.209.98.213.140.1048878960.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I used this method at a PC retailer I used to work at in Marshall, MN. The technique was passed unto me as divine knowledge. I'm pleased to share such sacred know-how with you LUGers 8-) > That does sound corny -- can't wait to try it. > > What has me most curious is how you came across this technique. > > -David > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 03:44:29PM -0600, Mark Courtney wrote: >> This is gonna sound really corny, but it's worked for me more times than >> I can count. >> >> 1. Take the drive out of the laptop. >> 2. Put the drive in a Ziploc bag. >> 3. Put the drive and the Ziploc bag in the freezer for an hour or two. >> 4. After the drive is good and frozen, plug it back in and get your data >> off the drive before it warms up. >> >> I swear it works! >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Mar 28 17:34:13 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Detachable menus Message-ID: <1048894452.3807.14.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Perhaps someone here can give me a hand. I'm trying to get my detachable menus to work under Mandrake 9.1. I've tried a few things with gconftool-2 and gconf-editor and I've gotten it to work for a few things (gedit, gimp, galeon, etc..) but evolution, and the Gnome terminal are still missing this. Any sugestions? I'm also not sure on how to set this up in KDE, searching www.kde.org now, but if someone knows where it is, I could use a good link or quick command to set it. Thanks all. -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Mar 27 17:11:51 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to reconfigure apache In-Reply-To: <1681.66.103.161.13.1048806498.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1681.66.103.161.13.1048806498.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20030327231151.GA27973@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 05:08:18PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > Below is a post and reply from the tcphp group. I am not sure how to fix > this. Any ideas? > RH 8.0 uses Apache 2, right? http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.apache2.php -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Mar 27 17:08:18 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to reconfigure apache Message-ID: <1681.66.103.161.13.1048806498.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Below is a post and reply from the tcphp group. I am not sure how to fix this. Any ideas? I am trying to use phpInv at my office http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpinv/ I installed the program on a redhat 7.1 server and the pages came up fine, although I could not login even with register_globals turned on as advised in their list. I was not too worried about it, since I will be using this server as a backup. I installed the program on my redhat 8.0 server which uses php-4.2.2-8.0.5.rpm. Now when I go to the program my browser says "done", but the page is blank. Any ideas what I have to do to fix this, or where I can look for a hint as to what is going on? Looka lika Apache isn't launching PHP to parse that page. You need to configure it differently. I found I had a very similar on my RedHat 8.0 machine... in fact, the machine I'm on... the one that still has that problem. I think the default setup, even if you include PHP in the install, does not configure PHP correctly -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Mar 27 22:31:42 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] acpi help/advice In-Reply-To: <1048825220.4739.16.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1048825220.4739.16.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1048825902.2500.4.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 22:20, Chris Frederick wrote: > Just got Mandrake 9.1 installed on my laptop. acpi comes with the > distribution, so I was hoping to get my laptop working with power > management. But it seems a bit more needs to be done. I've gotten acpi > and acpid up and running, but nothing seems to be happening. Anyone > have any experience with this? The main thing I want working is the > battery monitor, hopefully even have it work with gkrellm. > > Here's some info in case it helps: > > Laptop is a Compaq Presario 2710us > > #cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state > present: no > #cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT2/state > present: no > > #acpi -V > No support for device type: thermal > AC Adapter 1: on-line > > #acpi -s > Battery 1: slot empty > Battery 2: slot empty > > I've tried unplugging the ac adapter and running off the battery for a > while, but the only thing that changed was that the "acpi -V" command > changed the adapter status to "off-line". Taking the battery out didn't > change anything. > > Many thanks for any help. Never mind. I rebooted the laptop to fix the default display manager (kept dieing on a logout, and I prefer gdm anyway) and gkrellm found the battery, and is showing the charge and state (pluged in, charging, etc). Any more info on acpi would still be helpfull. I'm still not sure how to set up the hybernate/sleep (I want to kil it, they always annoy me), and the auto shutdown at X% battery power. Thanks. -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Mar 28 00:49:50 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure References: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> <63413.209.98.213.140.1048801469.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <3E83F08E.2080104@cleosci.com> AH.. the mixed properties of thermal expansion... Mark Courtney wrote: >This is gonna sound really corny, but it's worked for me more times than I >can count. > >1. Take the drive out of the laptop. >2. Put the drive in a Ziploc bag. >3. Put the drive and the Ziploc bag in the freezer for an hour or two. >4. After the drive is good and frozen, plug it back in and get your data off >the drive before it warms up. > >I swear it works! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Fri Mar 28 11:44:50 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PCMCIA network card or dongle Message-ID: <20030328174450.GA14247@refried.org> I have a 3c575 (3com EtherLink XL) that is giving me troubles. I have to hold the dongle down at times to get a link light and network traffic. Does anyone have an extra dongle for this card that I could buy or NIC I could purchace? I don't want to go out and buy a new card for this laptop because it's ready to die and I know my next laptop will have a built-in NIC. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Fri Mar 28 11:59:40 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde desktop = single large window in fluxbox? Message-ID: I know this is a crappy answer, but I would either ask this on a bb/flux mailing list or forum (or head to #fluxbox on OPN (or whatever it's called now). If that fails, try asking on a KDE forum or list. My bet though is you'll find an answer in a flux forum or list. Perhaps try gentoo's forum in the desktop environment section. -J >>> drake@lemongecko.org 03/26/03 09:09PM >>> No one responded the first time I posted this, so I'll try again: I'm having a weird problem trying to use KDE with fluxbox. When I startup KDE and tell it to use fluxbox (by setting KDEWM=fluxbox), it starts up the KDE desktop as a single, large window that covers the fluxbox toolbar and slit. You can resize/move/kill this window and get to the usual fluxbox stuff behind it (see screenshot at [1]). I want all the KDE stuff *except* the desktop because I like the usual fluxbox desktop. I've looked in the startkde script, but it doesn't start the desktop -- something else in the startup process does. Does anyone know how I could configure KDE to do everything but start the desktop? Thanks, Dan [1] http://www.math.umn.edu/~drake/images/kde-desktop-window.jpg -- | DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 | | Dan Drake | _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Mar 28 13:08:37 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PCMCIA network card or dongle In-Reply-To: <20030328174450.GA14247@refried.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 nate@refried.org wrote: > I have a 3c575 (3com EtherLink XL) that is giving me troubles. I have > to hold the dongle down at times to get a link light and network > traffic. Does anyone have an extra dongle for this card that I could > buy or NIC I could purchace? I don't want to go out and buy a new card > for this laptop because it's ready to die and I know my next laptop will > have a built-in NIC. Last time I checked, Microcenter has some generic replacement dongles that appear to be for the 3c574 (essentially the same as your card, AFAIK). Eventually I'll get around to picking one up, because I've certainly broken a couple of those (fortunately not to the point of inoperability...yet). Might be worth a shot. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Mar 28 11:46:03 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X-win32 alternative? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303281146.05048.list@slushpupie.com> In this case, it is not needed, because ssh is considered a local X app and already has privledges (ssh provides the proxy service via tunneling so it remains secure) Jay On Friday 28 March 2003 9:00 am, Simeon Johnston wrote: > Also make sure that xhost is allowing connections. > My install of Cygwin defaulted to denying all connections, which it > should do. > > sim > > > On Wednesday 26 March 2003 11:16 am, Erik Anderson wrote: > > > Florin Iucha wrote: > > > > http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/ > > > > > > I've tried to use cygwin for this before, but have never > > > > had success. > > > > > Is there a trick to getting the cygwin X server to accept > > > > remote X11? > > > > Start up X. Then in a terminal make sure the display is set > > right (echo > > $DISPLAY). Then you should be able to do ssh -X user@host > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Mar 28 11:21:43 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X-win32 alternative? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E8484A7.5020806@andersonfam.org> Is that set in a conf file somewhere? Simeon Johnston wrote: > Also make sure that xhost is allowing connections. > My install of Cygwin defaulted to denying all connections, which it > should do. > > sim > > >>On Wednesday 26 March 2003 11:16 am, Erik Anderson wrote: >> >>>Florin Iucha wrote: >>> >>>>http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/ >>> >>>I've tried to use cygwin for this before, but have never >> >>had success. >> >>>Is there a trick to getting the cygwin X server to accept >> >>remote X11? >> >>Start up X. Then in a terminal make sure the display is set >>right (echo >>$DISPLAY). Then you should be able to do ssh -X user@host > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Fri Mar 28 09:00:42 2003 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X-win32 alternative? Message-ID: Also make sure that xhost is allowing connections. My install of Cygwin defaulted to denying all connections, which it should do. sim > On Wednesday 26 March 2003 11:16 am, Erik Anderson wrote: > > Florin Iucha wrote: > > > http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/ > > > > I've tried to use cygwin for this before, but have never > had success. > > Is there a trick to getting the cygwin X server to accept > remote X11? > > Start up X. Then in a terminal make sure the display is set > right (echo > $DISPLAY). Then you should be able to do ssh -X user@host _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Mar 31 11:59:56 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eFax on linux In-Reply-To: <200303301708.35927@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <16007.25753.770171.929542@tsathoggua.mydomain> <200303301708.35927@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <16008.33308.384085.438762@tsathoggua.mydomain> Bob Tanner writes: > On Sunday 30 March 2003 03:41 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > Is anyone using eFax through linux? They sorta support linux, since > > they have as an option sending out the faxes as TIFF images instead of > > their proprietary .efx format. > > We've had better luck with hylafax, specially when integrating with win32 > machines. > > http://www.hylafax.org Actually, hylafax isn't a substitute for efax (unless I've badly misunderstood), because hylafax requires you to have a phone line and a modem. eFax is a service that provides a local phone line to receive your faxes, and does this for significantly less $$$ than the cost of a second phone line from Qworst. Meanwhile, anyone have a good suggestion about a script to stretch a Tiff image with a certain number of pixels x and y back to a reasonable dimension for letter-sized printing? This seems a little challenging, because it requires thinking about the printer pixels and the image pixels. I feel sure the GIMP would do this just fine, but then, what WOULDN'T the gimp do.... :-> R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 16:46:04 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure In-Reply-To: <20030327223831.GA2016@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20030327224604.59524.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Wow, some ingenious ideas on how to get data off old drives, I'll haveta add those to my little book of tricks. Sounds similar to a guy I know that told me he fixed his waterlogged cell phone by putting it in the oven for a few minutes. -Joel --- David Blevins wrote: > That does sound corny -- can't wait to try it. > > What has me most curious is how you came across this technique. > > -David > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 03:44:29PM -0600, Mark Courtney wrote: > > This is gonna sound really corny, but it's worked for me more times > than I > > can count. > > > > 1. Take the drive out of the laptop. > > 2. Put the drive in a Ziploc bag. > > 3. Put the drive and the Ziploc bag in the freezer for an hour or > two. > > 4. After the drive is good and frozen, plug it back in and get your > data off > > the drive before it warms up. > > > > I swear it works! > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Thu Mar 27 16:11:31 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache and PHP configuration Message-ID: <20030327141132.23269.h002.c015.wm@mail.jacku.com.criticalpath.net> With respect to SuSE 8.1. I installed PHP onto a SuSE 8.1 server for the sole purpose of running Squirrelmail. I can say that I didn't need to do anything beyond package install to get it to work. Locations on SuSE 8.1: 1. PHP module (libphp4.so) is installed to /usr/lib/apache on SuSE 8.0 should be the same on 8.1 2. Apache working directory is (I beleive) /srv/www. In this directory should be cgi-bin/, icons/ and htdocs/. On earlier versions of SuSE (upto and including 8.0) Apache is /usr/local/httpd. As was stated earlier one way to find where the apache or php stuff is located is to use rpm -ql on the package names or if you have KDE available use kpackage. Hope that helps a little. Jack On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Marc Olivier wrote: > > Hello. > I've written before, but didn't really get answers that > resolved my > issue(s). I have both SuSE 8.1 and Red Hat 7.3 > packages, and both seem to > come with Apache and PHP. However, PHP doesn't work in > either package. I > checked the httpd.conf and php.ini files, and compared > what I found there > to the material I found in the How-To's and the MAN > pages. I also consulted > a Wrox book, and O'Reilly book and www.php.net. I > cannot figure out why PHP > doesn't work. I have tried saving a new file as *.php > as well as *.htm, but > the PHP code doesn't generate results. All the relevant > lines seem to be > present in httpd.conf, but I'm not clear about php.ini. > > Several things I notice is that all the material seems > to show that Apache > resides in /usr/local/apache, and the relevant php > module reference in > httpd.conf seems to require a line /libexec/libphp4 > .so; I don't seem to > have a directory or subdirectory /libexec. On both Red > Hat and SuSE, Apache > does not reside in /usr/local/apache, and I don't find > a directory or > subdirectory /libexec. So what exactly does it take to > get PHP to run given > the apparently non-standard directory structure? > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Mar 27 22:20:20 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] acpi help/advice Message-ID: <1048825220.4739.16.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Just got Mandrake 9.1 installed on my laptop. acpi comes with the distribution, so I was hoping to get my laptop working with power management. But it seems a bit more needs to be done. I've gotten acpi and acpid up and running, but nothing seems to be happening. Anyone have any experience with this? The main thing I want working is the battery monitor, hopefully even have it work with gkrellm. Here's some info in case it helps: Laptop is a Compaq Presario 2710us #cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state present: no #cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT2/state present: no #acpi -V No support for device type: thermal AC Adapter 1: on-line #acpi -s Battery 1: slot empty Battery 2: slot empty I've tried unplugging the ac adapter and running off the battery for a while, but the only thing that changed was that the "acpi -V" command changed the adapter status to "off-line". Taking the battery out didn't change anything. Many thanks for any help. -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Mar 31 12:48:33 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:25 2005 Subject: Announcing new want-ads (Was:Re: [TCLUG] FREE hardware) In-Reply-To: <3197.192.1.1.15.1049086681.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <200303301702.25926@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <41203400.20030330165905@toughguy.net> <200303302240.00490@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030331050611.GT24569@pasiphae.stderr.net> <3197.192.1.1.15.1049086681.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20030331184833.GD3389@fandre.com> On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > I wonder if it would be possible to have the Want Ads section of TCLUG > automatically posted to a mailing list when first published? > It's written in perl, so anything's possible. $ echo "Enable TCLUG Classified automatic mailing" >> Clays_ToDo_list.txt $ wc -l Clays_ToDo_list.txt 34 Clays_ToDo_list.txt Hmmm, probably won't get to it until sometime next year... $ perl -e 'print reverse <>' Clays_ToDo_list.txt > Clays_New_ToDo_list.txt $ mv Clays_New_ToDo_list.txt Clays_ToDo_list.txt $ head -1 Clays_ToDo_list.txt Enable TCLUG Classified automatic mailing Much better. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Mon Mar 31 13:37:51 2003 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] eFax on linux In-Reply-To: <16008.33308.384085.438762@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <16007.25753.770171.929542@tsathoggua.mydomain> <200303301708.35927@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <16008.33308.384085.438762@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <3E88990F.4090304@visi.com> rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: >Meanwhile, anyone have a good suggestion about a script to stretch a >Tiff image with a certain number of pixels x and y back to a >reasonable dimension for letter-sized printing? This seems a little >challenging, because it requires thinking about the printer pixels and >the image pixels. I feel sure the GIMP would do this just fine, but >then, what WOULDN'T the gimp do.... :-> >real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > I would think the convert utility in ImageMagick would do the trick, although, I'm not sure what options it provides for resampling the image. See http://www.imagemagick.org/ for the details. --rick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Mon Mar 31 13:46:45 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure In-Reply-To: <63413.209.98.213.140.1048801469.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> <63413.209.98.213.140.1048801469.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20030331194645.GA6493@isis.visi.com> I gave that a try, couldn't resist. Didn't work, but was kind of fun in a Mr. Wizard sort of way. -David On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 03:44:29PM -0600, Mark Courtney wrote: > This is gonna sound really corny, but it's worked for me more times than I > can count. > > 1. Take the drive out of the laptop. > 2. Put the drive in a Ziploc bag. > 3. Put the drive and the Ziploc bag in the freezer for an hour or two. > 4. After the drive is good and frozen, plug it back in and get your data off > the drive before it warms up. > > I swear it works! > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Mon Mar 31 10:35:54 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:26 2005 Subject: Announcing new want-ads (Was:Re: [TCLUG] FREE hardware) In-Reply-To: <3197.192.1.1.15.1049086681.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <200303301702.25926@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030331050611.GT24569@pasiphae.stderr.net> <3197.192.1.1.15.1049086681.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <200303311039.04665.list@slushpupie.com> Yes, it should be possible. I know the guy who wrote the software, it is really simple Perl scripting. One of the things it does is send a confirmation email to the person posting- should be able to add something to that section. However, it appears that Mike has left the planet or something, so the code sitting on www.mn-linux.org may be the only copy we can get ahold of for now. Jay On Sunday 30 March 2003 10:58 pm, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > I wonder if it would be possible to have the Want Ads section of TCLUG > automatically posted to a mailing list when first published? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Mon Mar 31 13:14:10 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:26 2005 Subject: Announcing new want-ads (Was:Re: [TCLUG] FREE hardware) In-Reply-To: <20030331184833.GD3389@fandre.com> References: <200303301702.25926@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <41203400.20030330165905@toughguy.net> <200303302240.00490@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030331050611.GT24569@pasiphae.stderr.net> <3197.192.1.1.15.1049086681.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20030331184833.GD3389@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030331191410.GA11021@refried.org> On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 12:48:33PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > $ perl -e 'print reverse <>' Clays_ToDo_list.txt > Clays_New_ToDo_list.txt You could also do this with a little known program, tac. $ tac Clays_ToDo_list.txt > Clays_New_ToDo_list.txt Just remember that "tac" is "cat" in reverse. :) Nate, the one that tries not to use Perl. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Mon Mar 24 14:10:35 2003 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH Tunneling of X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E7F663B.2050901@bitstream.net> Shawn wrote: > Did as you mentioned Jay, and it shows a blank line when echoing the >$DISPLAY. > When doing verbose mode, I'm not seeing anything that relates to X >forwarding. If it's not enabled, I set it in the ssh_configd (or equiv) >file? I also checked my environment, and didn't see anything mentioned >there on forwarding either. > There should be a line in your sshd_config on the server like the following: AllowX11Forwarding yes That should do it for you. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Thu Mar 27 13:00:31 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure Message-ID: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> Just had a laptop hard drive fail on me a couple of days ago, it just makes the familiar tick, tick, tick sound when trying to boot. I managed to pull some data from it before it went, but still have a lot of unbacked up data on it. My guess would be the plates are fine, just the thing doesn't want to spin anymore. I was wondering if anyone had feedback on what the general costs are for data recovery services on hard drives that have failed. Also, any recomendations on where to take it? -David _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From devel_support at crlc.net Thu Mar 27 07:58:10 2003 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC OSX References: <3E826B5F.3060003@attbi.com> <200303261932.08580.list@slushpupie.com> <200303261941.11197.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <000e01c2f468$e72939d0$0325a8c0@crlc.net> True, however, Apple has ported the Mac OS X Server to the x86 architecture and runs native on x86 hardware. Carl Lindgren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MAC OSX > On Wednesday 26 March 2003 07:32 pm, Jay Kline wrote: > > The technical answer is yes, though it may not be what you expect. The > > core OS (Darwin) has been ported to intel hardware. However, this does not > > include the GUI, or any of the other tools that come with OSX. > > I should qualifiy this a little better... it dosnt include anything > propritary to Apple. This means any of their custom tools. > > http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/ > > This link talks about the different technologies in OSX. Darwin is basicly > BSD, and apple has released it open source. There is also a GPL version of > Darwin out there too. > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Mar 27 13:42:30 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D4205A4F801@mail.temgweb.com> Just get another drive of the same model and start switching out parts until it works. I've had this happen before, and switching out the circuit board on the drive fixed it every time. However, if it's something on the inside of the drive, you'll want to be careful not to get any dust in it. Turn the shower on hot in your bathroom and get it nice and steamy. Shut off the shower, and once the steam clears a bit, do the work on the counter in your bathroom. The steam will pull most of the dust out of the air. I wouldn't rely on the drive to continue working for very long once you get your data off of it. Try swapping the circuit board first. This has worked for me about 8 different times. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hoffoss [mailto:hoffossj@facm.umn.edu] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 1:31 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure > > > There was a similar thread on another mailing list I > subscribe to, and I > think the cost was around $300 *absolute* minimum (that may have even > been the cost for an estimate. I think someone had said they'd paid > OnTrack $600 to replace the motor in a 3.5" IDE hdd. > > >>> david.blevins@visi.com 03/27/03 01:00PM >>> > Just had a laptop hard drive fail on me a couple of days ago, it just > makes the familiar tick, tick, tick sound when trying to boot. I > managed > to pull some data from it before it went, but still have a lot of > unbacked > up data on it. > > My guess would be the plates are fine, just the thing doesn't want to > spin > anymore. > > I was wondering if anyone had feedback on what the general costs are > for > data recovery services on hard drives that have failed. Also, any > recomendations on where to take it? > > -David > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Mar 24 10:03:07 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH error In-Reply-To: <3E7F25DE.10607@bitstream.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Chad Juettner wrote: > you sure there aren't any iptables rules in place that would give you > any problems? yup, iptables are clear. > As far as reinstalling the package on slackware, you could try > http://www.linuxpackages.net to see if they have a newer OpenSSH package Hmm.. OpenSSH is the 4th most popular package for Slack 8.0. That probably says something :-). I'll give it a shot tonight. Thanks! -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rodneyray at earthlink.net Wed Mar 26 20:51:18 2003 From: rodneyray at earthlink.net (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake MNF rules Message-ID: <7180305.1048740692738.JavaMail.nobody@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> unable to use web.... Just a little follow up on the issue. Last night I rebuilt the box because it seems to be that I changed the time on the box and it locked me out(password expired).... Damn thing... So what I set up the adsl connection.... bla bla bla.... Setting Default policies lan eccept wan accept removed dmz FireWall rules Removed all dmz that is all I changed................ I looked at the logs, but everything was being accepted and a dns entry was assigned. So I thought lets try a ftp. Worked fine, logged into ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org without any problems. I then tried redhat, I logged in fine. (got a couple of error later on) but none the less it worked. I called sprint to see if they are have any problems, but they said they were not having problems and had me try a pppoe connection on xp to make sure it was not there connection.... Final thoughts was sometimes i saw that the browser would have the ip address of the place I was trying to go to and then it would change to 127.0.0.1 I I'm thinking that it is a dns problem, just not sure where to look. The manual didn't do much for me, either did the mandrake user list logs..... any help would be good..... my wife is about to kill me..... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Thu Mar 27 12:51:15 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla mail notification Message-ID: <3E834823.6000802@gac.edu> does anybody know about mozilla's sound-playing e-mail notification? It's supposed to play a sound when you get new mail, but it doesn't seem to work for me. Does anybody else have that working? justin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Mon Mar 24 10:05:17 2003 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1048521915.3090.2.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 09:09, Brian wrote: > I've got a Slackware box (8.0 I think?) that I'm setting up as a > router. When I try to SSH to it, I get "corrupted MAC on input". I > Googled for it, and all I could come up with is that I may have a bad > NIC. This box has 3 NICs, and none of them allow me to SSH into > it. If I try to ssh in at the console (to 127.0.0.1) I get the same > error. Normally I'd just re-install OpenSSH, but since I'm not a Slack > user, I'm not sure exaclty how to go about that. Any ideas? > > -Brian > You probably are looking for: removepkg and installpkg But this: pkgtool Will give you a curses gui. -- Kelly Black -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030324/dc9085b3/attachment.pgp From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Mar 26 22:11:31 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to monitor FastTrack RAID? Message-ID: <16002.31219.568408.117013@workstation.mn.mtu.net> I've got a system with a Promise FastTrack IDE RAID card in it and I'm wondering how one goes about monitoring it for drive failuers. I found out that I can cat /proc/scsi/FastTrack/0 and get some information and I could automate this, but I'm thinking that someone else has probably already done this and probably done it better than I will. Any suggestions? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Mar 26 19:32:07 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC OSX In-Reply-To: <3E826B5F.3060003@attbi.com> References: <3E826B5F.3060003@attbi.com> Message-ID: <200303261932.08580.list@slushpupie.com> On Wednesday 26 March 2003 09:09 pm, Paul Overby wrote: > Somehow this seems like a stupid question but since I don't really > understand the answer I quess I'll I have to ask it anyway. > > Can MAC OSX run on an Intel Platform? and why not? The technical answer is yes, though it may not be what you expect. The core OS (Darwin) has been ported to intel hardware. However, this does not include the GUI, or any of the other tools that come with OSX. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Mar 26 23:11:45 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] darwin Message-ID: <3E828811.6010000@gac.edu> It is my understanding that Darwin is Apple's freebsd kernel, and that it can be downloaded (relatively) freely. Aqua is the interface, then, that Apple uses in OS X, correct? Is there any way to get aqua for a linux distro, and is it open source? Is that a proprietary thing? Also, would there be any benefit to using the Darwin kernel as the base for a linux installation? justin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Mar 26 17:48:13 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux and video editing In-Reply-To: <200303261646.02166@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E821929.2040305@gac.edu> <200303261646.02166@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3E823C3D.30700@gac.edu> It doesn't seem like mainconcept does anything with linux Bob Tanner wrote: > On Wednesday 26 March 2003 03:18 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > >>what options are there for video editing in linux? Are the ports of >>Adobe premiere or similar programs, and is there sufficient hardware >>support? Does anyone have specific experience with video editing in linux? >> > > http://www.mainconcept.com/index.shtml > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mcolivier at earthlink.net Sun Mar 9 08:55:08 2003 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (mcolivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE 7.3, 8.1, Apache PHP, Perl, MySQL Message-ID: Is there a particular order I need to be mindful of when adding LoadModule lines so I can get PHP, Perl and MySQL to all work together under Apache? And I'm confused as to why I need to do this manually when the modules for all of them are included in the distro CD's and installed using YAST (Yet Another Setup Tool). At any rate, the modules are there (MySQL works ok now, but the rest don't for reasons I don't understand). Apparently, I need to add the resepctive LoadModule lines. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 23 20:57:35 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing Message-ID: <20030311210947.V4531@real-time.com> Testing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Mar 23 20:57:36 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AaAAAAAaaAaAAAaaAAAaaAAAaaaAAA Message-ID: <20030311211208.W4531@real-time.com> Give me something to search for. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 24 21:57:34 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] testing Message-ID: <20030323203326.A19272@real-time.com> From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 24 21:57:38 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ZZzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Message-ID: <20030323203408.A19279@real-time.com> From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 24 21:57:39 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ZZzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Message-ID: <20030323203556.A19286@real-time.com> Testing From tanner at real-time.com Mon Mar 24 22:01:44 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing Message-ID: <20030324212355.B23208@real-time.com> Testing -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From foo at bar Mon Mar 24 22:04:18 2003 From: foo at bar (foo@bar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From foo at bar Mon Mar 24 22:04:20 2003 From: foo at bar (foo@bar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From foo at bar Mon Mar 24 22:04:21 2003 From: foo at bar (foo@bar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:29 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MX relay spam + SpamAssassin + Mailman + exim In-Reply-To: <20030131204200.GA7340@us-admins.com> References: <200301311204.36062.tanner@real-time.com> <20030131204200.GA7340@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <200302012304.50584.tanner@real-time.com> On Friday 31 January 2003 02:42 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >I don't want to HOLD the spam, I want to reject it. The holding part is > > the > > Get creative with your system_filter, surely you can do a few header checks > and bounce from that. Yeah, that's what I did: ## ----------------------------------------------------------------------- # If the message has been marked as spam already, just reject it. This is # is an attempt to stop the MX relay spamming that is happening if $header_x-spam-flag: contains "yes" then fail text "fill in your message here" seen finish endif -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:32 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PartionMagic & reiserfs Message-ID: <20030201.1tA.14117300@rivendell> Can't say I've ever played with reiserfs, but I don't see any reason that it can't re-arrange hda2. I've used PM to move around ext2/3 file systems, and it should be able to ignore anything it doesn't know. But be sure you back things up! Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net) wrote: > >I've got a dual boot system and I'd like to shrink my NTFS partition and give >that space to a FAT32 partition that I'd like to create in the extra space. >My drive looks like this: > >/dev/hda1 DELL FAT16 diagnostic partition >/dev/hda2 NTFS >/dev/hda3 Extended partition >/dev/hda5 Linux swap >/dev/hda6 Linux native reiserfs > >So I'd like to shrink hda2 and add a FAT32 partition in the space that I >removed from hda2. I used partition magic to originally shrink hda2 to create >space for hda3. Can I use Partition Magic to do what I what to do? I >realize Partition Magic doesn't know what to do with reiserfs, that's why I'm >asking. Has anyone done something like this? Other tool suggestions? > >Thanks. > >is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Tue Mar 25 00:06:33 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PartionMagic & reiserfs In-Reply-To: <15932.3263.776143.339247@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <15932.3263.776143.339247@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <3E3C4794.1090404@netzero.net> If you want to just add extra space to be used by linux only then u can resize your ntfs using partition magic, then boot to linux and just use fdisk to create another reizerfs. If you want this new partition to be accesible both from linux and windows you can create the fat32 partition in pqmagic as well. Remember though, fat32 doesn't store ownership/permissions. Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got a dual boot system and I'd like to shrink my NTFS partition and give > that space to a FAT32 partition that I'd like to create in the extra space. > My drive looks like this: > > /dev/hda1 DELL FAT16 diagnostic partition > /dev/hda2 NTFS > /dev/hda3 Extended partition > /dev/hda5 Linux swap > /dev/hda6 Linux native reiserfs > > So I'd like to shrink hda2 and add a FAT32 partition in the space that I > removed from hda2. I used partition magic to originally shrink hda2 to create > space for hda3{5,6}. Can I use Partition Magic to do what I what to do? I > realize Partition Magic doesn't know what to do with reiserfs, that's why I'm > asking. Has anyone done something like this? Other tool suggestions? > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:35 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:36 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:38 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:39 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:41 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:42 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:44 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:45 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:47 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MX relay spam + SpamAssassin + Mailman + exim In-Reply-To: <20030131204200.GA7340@us-admins.com> References: <200301311204.36062.tanner@real-time.com> <20030131204200.GA7340@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <200302012304.50584.tanner@real-time.com> On Friday 31 January 2003 02:42 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >I don't want to HOLD the spam, I want to reject it. The holding part is > > the > > Get creative with your system_filter, surely you can do a few header checks > and bounce from that. Yeah, that's what I did: ## ----------------------------------------------------------------------- # If the message has been marked as spam already, just reject it. This is # is an attempt to stop the MX relay spamming that is happening if $header_x-spam-flag: contains "yes" then fail text "fill in your message here" seen finish endif -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.archives.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:48 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 8.0 Desktop Switch In-Reply-To: <3E3AEE17.4000208@netzero.net> References: <15a.1b234442.2b6c35a1@aol.com> <3E3AEE17.4000208@netzero.net> Message-ID: <200302012303.39382.tanner@real-time.com> On Friday 31 January 2003 03:43 pm, Michael Ableyev wrote: > > The command to reset the Gnome preferences: > > > > rm -rf/home/YOURUSERNAME/.gnome* only returned the message invalid option > > --/. > > Ehem.. this would mean u missed a space between -rf and /home Should show him how to use midnight commander or something like that (I'm not familiar enough with it to do a walk through) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.archives.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Mar 25 00:06:50 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PartionMagic & reiserfs In-Reply-To: <3E3C4794.1090404@netzero.net> References: <15932.3263.776143.339247@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <3E3C4794.1090404@netzero.net> Message-ID: <15932.22029.236145.700451@workstation.mn.mtu.net> >>>>> "MA" == Michael Ableyev writes: MA> If you want to just add extra space to be used by linux only then u can resize your ntfs using MA> partition magic, then boot to linux and just use fdisk to create another reizerfs. Are you sure about this? I once tried deleting two partitions with fdisk and creating two new ones in their place, that together covered the exact same size. After doing this any partitions closer to the end of the disk were trashed. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:06:52 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 8.0 Desktop Switch In-Reply-To: <3E3AEE17.4000208@netzero.net> References: <15a.1b234442.2b6c35a1@aol.com> <3E3AEE17.4000208@netzero.net> Message-ID: <200302012303.39382.tanner@real-time.com> On Friday 31 January 2003 03:43 pm, Michael Ableyev wrote: > > The command to reset the Gnome preferences: > > > > rm -rf/home/YOURUSERNAME/.gnome* only returned the message invalid option > > --/. > > Ehem.. this would mean u missed a space between -rf and /home Should show him how to use midnight commander or something like that (I'm not familiar enough with it to do a walk through) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.archives.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! 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Pending posts: From: ccthomas@flash.net on Sat Feb 1 16:04:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Mar 25 00:06:55 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PartionMagic & reiserfs In-Reply-To: <3E3C4794.1090404@netzero.net> References: <15932.3263.776143.339247@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <3E3C4794.1090404@netzero.net> Message-ID: <15932.22029.236145.700451@workstation.mn.mtu.net> >>>>> "MA" == Michael Ableyev writes: MA> If you want to just add extra space to be used by linux only then u can resize your ntfs using MA> partition magic, then boot to linux and just use fdisk to create another reizerfs. Are you sure about this? I once tried deleting two partitions with fdisk and creating two new ones in their place, that together covered the exact same size. 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From mnsan11 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 25 00:08:59 2003 From: mnsan11 at earthlink.net (Elvedin) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat Installation Woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd suggest just getting the latest Mandrake. What the latest version again? Its a great beginning for everyone new to Linux, it has a very easy installation processes, the packages are sufficient, and while at that topic, it doesn't have too much bloat. Two things I actually dislike about it, is the CD layout of the packages (SSHD on disk 3, Apache on disk 2) and the weird, "advanced" version of Apache. Anyway, while I ran it for that one week I did, I liked ease of use it provided. I think every novice should start with it. On Friday 21 March 2003 21:09, you wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 DeBeau@aol.com wrote: > > I am new to LINUX and was in the process of installing Red Hat 7.2 on an > > old first generation pentium machine when I lost power halfway through > > the install process. When I restarted the machine using the install > > diskette from an earlier dual boot on my office system, the BIOS sent the > > message "Missing operating system" > > > > How do I get the installation process going again? > > you are fresh out of luck, you need to restart the installation from the > CDs... or RedHat Boot floppies > > it could also be that the computer is trying to boot from the HDD and not > the floppy. and that the Master Boot Record was corrupted in the botches > install. > > and while you are at it, use something newer... for RH7.2 you will spend > the first 24hours downloading and installing patches. > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Tue Mar 25 00:09:01 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat Installation Woes References: <1f0.4ef7084.2bad0a8c@aol.com> Message-ID: <3E7C08AC.9020501@cleosci.com> Try pressing the DEL or F2 keys at boot to enter the BIOS setup (or whatever key it tells you on-screen). It may be that your boot order has changed, and the BIOS is no longer seeing the CD as a viable boot option. Garrett DeBeau@aol.com wrote: > I am new to LINUX and was in the process of installing Red Hat 7.2 on > an old first generation pentium machine when I lost power halfway > through the install process. When I restarted the machine using the > install diskette from an earlier dual boot on my office system, the > BIOS sent the message "Missing operating system" > > How do I get the installation process going again? > > Thanks for any help you may offer. > > Richard DeBeau > Minneapolis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030325/423a23d3/attachment.html From list at slushpupie.com Tue Mar 25 00:09:03 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCALUG Metting: April 12, 3:00 Message-ID: <200303221953.26070.list@slushpupie.com> The St. Cloud Area Linux Users Group is holding our frist official meeting! Here is the original post: > Our first official meeting is scheduled for Saturday, April 12, at 3:00. > The meeting will be held in a conference room in the Miller Auto building. > Tom Martinson will be giving a demonstration, followed by general geek time > afterwards. The topic is building Linux routers. If anyone wants to attend, directions and other information can be found at: http://scalug.archives.real-time.com/meeting-apr-topic.php In case anyone hasnt made the drive before, its about an hour one way, depending on where you are coming from. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:09:05 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MX relay spam + SpamAssassin + Mailman + exim In-Reply-To: <20030131204200.GA7340@us-admins.com> References: <200301311204.36062.tanner@real-time.com> <20030131204200.GA7340@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <200302012304.50584.tanner@real-time.com> On Friday 31 January 2003 02:42 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >I don't want to HOLD the spam, I want to reject it. The holding part is > > the > > Get creative with your system_filter, surely you can do a few header checks > and bounce from that. Yeah, that's what I did: ## ----------------------------------------------------------------------- # If the message has been marked as spam already, just reject it. This is # is an attempt to stop the MX relay spamming that is happening if $header_x-spam-flag: contains "yes" then fail text "fill in your message here" seen finish endif -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Mar 25 00:09:07 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PartionMagic & reiserfs Message-ID: <15932.3263.776143.339247@workstation.mn.mtu.net> I've got a dual boot system and I'd like to shrink my NTFS partition and give that space to a FAT32 partition that I'd like to create in the extra space. My drive looks like this: /dev/hda1 DELL FAT16 diagnostic partition /dev/hda2 NTFS /dev/hda3 Extended partition /dev/hda5 Linux swap /dev/hda6 Linux native reiserfs So I'd like to shrink hda2 and add a FAT32 partition in the space that I removed from hda2. I used partition magic to originally shrink hda2 to create space for hda3{5,6}. Can I use Partition Magic to do what I what to do? I realize Partition Magic doesn't know what to do with reiserfs, that's why I'm asking. Has anyone done something like this? Other tool suggestions? Thanks. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:09:09 2003 From: tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tclug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 1 tclug-list admin request(s) waiting Message-ID: <20030201230005.20449.95779.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> The tclug-list@archives.real-time.com mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tclug-list Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. 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From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:09:13 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From mark_j at visi.com Tue Mar 25 00:09:15 2003 From: mark_j at visi.com (Mark) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X server will not load- "Couldn't load XKB keymap" Message-ID: <20030201204839.86475811F@conn.mc.mpls.visi.com> All, Need assistance with the following error message when attempting to run "xstart". The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > Error: bad length in Geometry > Output file "/var/tmp/server-0.xkm" removed Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap _FontTransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 failed to set default font path 'unix/:-1' Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). My hardware description: -Pentium 60 -40 mgs of RAM -512 mg harddrive OS description: Redhat 6.0 sized for this small harddrive. How is this problem fixed? Please email me directly at mark_j@visi.com. I am open to telephone assistance. Let me know if this is possible on your end in your email response. Thank you, Mark Jefferis _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:09:17 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:09:19 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:09:21 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:09:23 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From 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tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:17 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:20 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:22 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:25 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From charon at netzero.net Tue Mar 25 00:10:27 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PartionMagic & reiserfs In-Reply-To: <15932.3263.776143.339247@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <15932.3263.776143.339247@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <3E3C4794.1090404@netzero.net> If you want to just add extra space to be used by linux only then u can resize your ntfs using partition magic, then boot to linux and just use fdisk to create another reizerfs. If you want this new partition to be accesible both from linux and windows you can create the fat32 partition in pqmagic as well. Remember though, fat32 doesn't store ownership/permissions. Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got a dual boot system and I'd like to shrink my NTFS partition and give > that space to a FAT32 partition that I'd like to create in the extra space. > My drive looks like this: > > /dev/hda1 DELL FAT16 diagnostic partition > /dev/hda2 NTFS > /dev/hda3 Extended partition > /dev/hda5 Linux swap > /dev/hda6 Linux native reiserfs > > So I'd like to shrink hda2 and add a FAT32 partition in the space that I > removed from hda2. I used partition magic to originally shrink hda2 to create > space for hda3{5,6}. Can I use Partition Magic to do what I what to do? I > realize Partition Magic doesn't know what to do with reiserfs, that's why I'm > asking. Has anyone done something like this? Other tool suggestions? > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:30 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:33 2003 From: tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tclug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug-list post from ccthomas@flash.net requires approval Message-ID: <20030201220401.19516.48007.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tclug-list@archives.real-time.com From: ccthomas@flash.net Subject: re: PM1564U3 controller under Linux......... Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tclug-list to approve or deny the request. From mark_j at visi.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:35 2003 From: mark_j at visi.com (Mark) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X server will not load- "Couldn't load XKB keymap" Message-ID: <20030201204839.86475811F@conn.mc.mpls.visi.com> All, Need assistance with the following error message when attempting to run "xstart". The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > Error: bad length in Geometry > Output file "/var/tmp/server-0.xkm" removed Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap _FontTransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 failed to set default font path 'unix/:-1' Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). My hardware description: -Pentium 60 -40 mgs of RAM -512 mg harddrive OS description: Redhat 6.0 sized for this small harddrive. How is this problem fixed? Please email me directly at mark_j@visi.com. I am open to telephone assistance. Let me know if this is possible on your end in your email response. Thank you, Mark Jefferis _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:38 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PartionMagic & reiserfs Message-ID: <20030201.1tA.14117300@rivendell> Can't say I've ever played with reiserfs, but I don't see any reason that it can't re-arrange hda2. I've used PM to move around ext2/3 file systems, and it should be able to ignore anything it doesn't know. But be sure you back things up! Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.net) wrote: > >I've got a dual boot system and I'd like to shrink my NTFS partition and give >that space to a FAT32 partition that I'd like to create in the extra space. >My drive looks like this: > >/dev/hda1 DELL FAT16 diagnostic partition >/dev/hda2 NTFS >/dev/hda3 Extended partition >/dev/hda5 Linux swap >/dev/hda6 Linux native reiserfs > >So I'd like to shrink hda2 and add a FAT32 partition in the space that I >removed from hda2. I used partition magic to originally shrink hda2 to create >space for hda3. Can I use Partition Magic to do what I what to do? I >realize Partition Magic doesn't know what to do with reiserfs, that's why I'm >asking. Has anyone done something like this? Other tool suggestions? > >Thanks. > >is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:41 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MX relay spam + SpamAssassin + Mailman + exim In-Reply-To: <20030131204200.GA7340@us-admins.com> References: <200301311204.36062.tanner@real-time.com> <20030131204200.GA7340@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <200302012304.50584.tanner@real-time.com> On Friday 31 January 2003 02:42 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >I don't want to HOLD the spam, I want to reject it. The holding part is > > the > > Get creative with your system_filter, surely you can do a few header checks > and bounce from that. Yeah, that's what I did: ## ----------------------------------------------------------------------- # If the message has been marked as spam already, just reject it. This is # is an attempt to stop the MX relay spamming that is happening if $header_x-spam-flag: contains "yes" then fail text "fill in your message here" seen finish endif -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.archives.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Mar 25 00:10:43 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PartionMagic & reiserfs Message-ID: <15932.3263.776143.339247@workstation.mn.mtu.net> I've got a dual boot system and I'd like to shrink my NTFS partition and give that space to a FAT32 partition that I'd like to create in the extra space. My drive looks like this: /dev/hda1 DELL FAT16 diagnostic partition /dev/hda2 NTFS /dev/hda3 Extended partition /dev/hda5 Linux swap /dev/hda6 Linux native reiserfs So I'd like to shrink hda2 and add a FAT32 partition in the space that I removed from hda2. I used partition magic to originally shrink hda2 to create space for hda3{5,6}. Can I use Partition Magic to do what I what to do? I realize Partition Magic doesn't know what to do with reiserfs, that's why I'm asking. Has anyone done something like this? Other tool suggestions? Thanks. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:46 2003 From: tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tclug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug-list post from tanner@real-time.com requires approval Message-ID: <20030325002529.5597.80645.Mailman@sprite.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tclug-list@archives.real-time.com From: tanner@real-time.com Subject: ZZzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.archives.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tclug-list to approve or deny the request. From crowja at attbi.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:49 2003 From: crowja at attbi.com (John A. Crow) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UMN modem pool + wvdial + RH-7.3 Message-ID: <3E7FABE3.C4EE2EEC@attbi.com> Anyone have a /etc/wvdial.conf file (w/o user & pw info) that you'd share that works with the UMN modem pool? I can dial out, and there is some negotiating going on, but the final connection never seems to be made. If I knew the conf file was ok, then I could look at other problems, so it would be helpful to look at one that really works. Thanks for any help! - John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:51 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH Tunneling of X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303241307.11169.list@slushpupie.com> On Monday 24 March 2003 12:56 pm, Shawn wrote: > Any ideas on how I can get X forwarding to work properly in this > environment? >From a linux box, try 'ssh -X firewall' then 'echo $DISPLAY'. X should be able to set up and forward this by itself. If not, try adding a -v (verbose) to have it tell you what its doing. Its possible the machine you are ssh'ing to has X forwarding disabled. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:54 2003 From: tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tclug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug-list post from crowja@attbi.com requires approval Message-ID: <20030325013600.30821.8187.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tclug-list@archives.real-time.com From: crowja@attbi.com Subject: UMN modem pool + wvdial + RH-7.3 Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tclug-list to approve or deny the request. From gkrueger at cleosci.com Tue Mar 25 00:10:57 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix References: Message-ID: <3E7F2A15.5070101@cleosci.com> Has anyone tried installing / running Borland's Kylix compiler on LINUX? I downloaded it and setup the files as root-owned. then logged in as root (as it specifiec to do). It seems as though it doesn't install properly. There's no ../kylix/bin directory it supposedly creates, and when I tried to run it, I noticed that the symbolic links were all "dead" (as in pointing to non-existent targets). Any ideas? Garrett _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Tue Mar 25 00:10:59 2003 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH Tunneling of X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E7F663B.2050901@bitstream.net> Shawn wrote: > Did as you mentioned Jay, and it shows a blank line when echoing the >$DISPLAY. > When doing verbose mode, I'm not seeing anything that relates to X >forwarding. If it's not enabled, I set it in the ssh_configd (or equiv) >file? I also checked my environment, and didn't see anything mentioned >there on forwarding either. > There should be a line in your sshd_config on the server like the following: AllowX11Forwarding yes That should do it for you. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:03 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH error In-Reply-To: <3E7F25DE.10607@bitstream.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Chad Juettner wrote: > you sure there aren't any iptables rules in place that would give you > any problems? yup, iptables are clear. > As far as reinstalling the package on slackware, you could try > http://www.linuxpackages.net to see if they have a newer OpenSSH package Hmm.. OpenSSH is the 4th most popular package for Slack 8.0. That probably says something :-). I'll give it a shot tonight. Thanks! -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:06 2003 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1048521915.3090.2.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 09:09, Brian wrote: > I've got a Slackware box (8.0 I think?) that I'm setting up as a > router. When I try to SSH to it, I get "corrupted MAC on input". I > Googled for it, and all I could come up with is that I may have a bad > NIC. This box has 3 NICs, and none of them allow me to SSH into > it. If I try to ssh in at the console (to 127.0.0.1) I get the same > error. Normally I'd just re-install OpenSSH, but since I'm not a Slack > user, I'm not sure exaclty how to go about that. Any ideas? > > -Brian > You probably are looking for: removepkg and installpkg But this: pkgtool Will give you a curses gui. -- Kelly Black -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030325/dc9085b3/attachment.pgp From gkrueger at cleosci.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:09 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux, with questions References: <000001c2ee4e$a58ac4f0$5da0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <3E78DED2.7060606@gac.edu> <3E792663.9020704@gac.edu> Message-ID: <3E7C049C.9060402@cleosci.com> We've got quite a few Dell's we installed Redhat 7.x, 8.0 on, and they've been very good about being stable. Even one of our Dell PowerEdge's has been running super with RH7 for quite some time now. Dell's pretty good (so far) about offering RH as an OS option. Garrett Justin Haaheim wrote: > I named Dell as an option, but I'd like to clarify: I would highly > recommend building your own machine over any pre-built computer. > Justin Kremer made some good points. It's definitely something to > consider. > > Justin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Tue Mar 25 00:11:12 2003 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH Tunneling of X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E7F5D24.4050207@bitstream.net> Shawn wrote: > Typically when I want to forward X, I type in "export >DISPLAY=ip.address:0.0" and it works fine. However, I can't figure out >how to do it in the environment I'm in currently. > I ssh into a box behind a firewall (port forwarding to box on DMZ), >while I also am behind a different firewall for a different network. If I do a "who -l" I come up with: > >sfertch pts/0 Mar 24 12:29 (firewall.company.com) > >If I do a "who -u" I get: > >sfertch pts/0 Mar 24 12:29 . > > If I set my display to the address/name, then try to open up netscape >for example, > Usually when you check the x forwarding option in putty you don't have to setup your display at all, putty (or the ssh protocol) handles that for you under the covers. Did you check to see what your display was set to as soon as you logged in (ie: before you changed the DISPLAY var)? I think it should be something like machine:10.0, where machine is the hostname of the box your accessing. It's also possible that the admin on the box your trying to tunnell to has disabled X forwarding for the ssh daemon. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:15 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH Tunneling of X In-Reply-To: <200303241307.11169.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: Did as you mentioned Jay, and it shows a blank line when echoing the $DISPLAY. When doing verbose mode, I'm not seeing anything that relates to X forwarding. If it's not enabled, I set it in the ssh_configd (or equiv) file? I also checked my environment, and didn't see anything mentioned there on forwarding either. ______________________ Shawn On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Jay Kline wrote: > >From a linux box, try 'ssh -X firewall' then 'echo $DISPLAY'. X should be > able to set up and forward this by itself. If not, try adding a -v (verbose) > to have it tell you what its doing. Its possible the machine you are ssh'ing > to has X forwarding disabled. > > Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:18 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH Tunneling of X In-Reply-To: <3E7F663B.2050901@bitstream.net> Message-ID: Thanks Chad and Jay. That took care of it. I need to read up more on SSH, and a number of other things as well. ______________________ Shawn "I didn't know it was 'impossible' until AFTER I did it." On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Chad Juettner wrote: > > There should be a line in your sshd_config on the server like the following: > AllowX11Forwarding yes > > That should do it for you. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:21 2003 From: tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tclug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug-list post from tanner@real-time.com requires approval Message-ID: <20030325002101.5597.94087.Mailman@sprite.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tclug-list@archives.real-time.com From: tanner@real-time.com Subject: ZZzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.archives.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tclug-list to approve or deny the request. From jack at jacku.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:24 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early] In-Reply-To: <20030324204056.GQ32189@techmonkeys.org> References: <1048536079.5630.260.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030324204056.GQ32189@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200303241504.42235.jack@jacku.com> On Monday March 24, 2003 2:40 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > And FYI, RedHat had the current early april release date set long before > mandrake and suse decided to up their version #'s =) I'd have to check actual release dates but this is about on target for SuSE's twice yearly updates. So I suspect all the releases are "independent" of each other. Doesn't this push make RH and Mandrake close to the same number? (or did Mandrake go to 10.x while I wasn't looking! 8^) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Mar 25 00:11:27 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Brian wrote: > I've got a Slackware box (8.0 I think?) that I'm setting up as a > router. When I try to SSH to it, I get "corrupted MAC on input". I > Googled for it, and all I could come up with is that I may have a bad > NIC. This box has 3 NICs, and none of them allow me to SSH into > it. If I try to ssh in at the console (to 127.0.0.1) I get the same > error. Normally I'd just re-install OpenSSH, but since I'm not a Slack > user, I'm not sure exaclty how to go about that. Any ideas? I don't have an answer to your question, per se, but I'd just like to point out that "MAC" doesn't mean what you think it does: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/faq.html#A.6.1 From that page: "In this context MAC stands for Message Authentication Code. It's a cryptographic term, and it has nothing at all to do with Ethernet MAC (Media Access Control) addresses." Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Tue Mar 25 00:11:30 2003 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba/ldap experiences Message-ID: <3E7F8B99.2020307@bitstream.net> I'm in the process of implementing Samba throughout the company to replace of all of our aging NT Servers. In doing so I'm planning having it store user / machine info in LDAP (using IBM's Directory Server). Has anyone in the group done this yet? I'd love to hear how you've gotten along with it. It'd be cool to know what kinds of problems I'm gonna run into, what works best as far as deployment, if it works at all, etc... Thanks in advance for your input! --Chad _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:33 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH Tunneling of X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303241412.48297.list@slushpupie.com> On Monday 24 March 2003 1:48 pm, Shawn wrote: > Did as you mentioned Jay, and it shows a blank line when echoing the > $DISPLAY. > When doing verbose mode, I'm not seeing anything that relates to X > forwarding. If it's not enabled, I set it in the ssh_configd (or equiv) > file? I also checked my environment, and didn't see anything mentioned > there on forwarding either. When you have -v on with SSH, you should see something like: debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with athentication spoofing. Check sshd_conf for this line: X11Forwarding yes -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:36 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH error Message-ID: I've got a Slackware box (8.0 I think?) that I'm setting up as a router. When I try to SSH to it, I get "corrupted MAC on input". I Googled for it, and all I could come up with is that I may have a bad NIC. This box has 3 NICs, and none of them allow me to SSH into it. If I try to ssh in at the console (to 127.0.0.1) I get the same error. Normally I'd just re-install OpenSSH, but since I'm not a Slack user, I'm not sure exaclty how to go about that. Any ideas? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:39 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix References: <3E7F2A15.5070101@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <3E7F2CF3.6080200@structural-wood.com> I can't help much but to say I've installed the Kylix suite a couple times on various versions of RedHat and never seemed to have any troubles. It added entries to the menu and was invocable from the command line with some appropriate command (like 'kylix'). I've always found IDE's to get in the way (even emacs...), so I can't tell you much about its operation other than to tell you it just confirmed my prejudices. Like most programmers I watched what my fingers wanted to do and then wrote a programming editor and environment to fit their needs. gkrueger wrote: > Has anyone tried installing / running Borland's Kylix compiler on LINUX? > I downloaded it and setup the files as root-owned. then logged in as > root (as it specifiec to do). It seems as though it doesn't install > properly. There's no ../kylix/bin directory it supposedly creates, and > when I tried to run it, I noticed that the symbolic links were all > "dead" (as in pointing to non-existent targets). > > Any ideas? > > Garrett > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:42 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix References: <3E7F2A15.5070101@cleosci.com> <3E7F2CF3.6080200@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <3E7F3088.8000804@cleosci.com> Cool! Thanks for your input. I'm going to have to dig deeper 'cause the menu entries (which are supposed to be there) show up in the subdirectory, but they don't actually get linked to the menus -- an indication to me that there are underlying problems somewhere with it. Garrett Kent Schumacher wrote: > I can't help much but to say I've installed the Kylix suite a couple > times on various versions of RedHat and never seemed to have any > troubles. It added entries to the menu and was invocable from the > ... > Like most programmers I watched what my fingers wanted to do and then > wrote a programming editor and environment to fit their needs. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:11:46 2003 From: tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tclug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug-list post from tanner@real-time.com requires approval Message-ID: <20030325002059.5597.42399.Mailman@sprite.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tclug-list@archives.real-time.com From: tanner@real-time.com Subject: testing Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.archives.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tclug-list to approve or deny the request. From chad at bitstream.net Tue Mar 25 00:11:49 2003 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E7F25DE.10607@bitstream.net> Brian wrote: >I've got a Slackware box (8.0 I think?) that I'm setting up as a >router. When I try to SSH to it, I get "corrupted MAC on input". I >Googled for it, and all I could come up with is that I may have a bad >NIC. This box has 3 NICs, and none of them allow me to SSH into >it. If I try to ssh in at the console (to 127.0.0.1) I get the same >error. Normally I'd just re-install OpenSSH, but since I'm not a Slack >user, I'm not sure exaclty how to go about that. Any ideas? > Damn - I recall having a very similar problem on a Solaris box. I seem to recall it having something to do with the /dev/random device. But that was a long time ago, and I doubt that's your problem anyway. Are you sure there aren't any iptables rules in place that would give you any problems? As far as reinstalling the package on slackware, you could try http://www.linuxpackages.net to see if they have a newer OpenSSH package than what you're currently running. Or grab the source from http://www.openssh.org and compile away. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Mar 25 00:11:52 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Red Hat Linux 9 | Get the latest Linux early] In-Reply-To: <1048536079.5630.260.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1048536079.5630.260.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030324204056.GQ32189@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 02:01:20PM -0600, Brady Hegberg wrote: > Redhat's skipping 8.1 and going directly for 9.0. Bad news for all the > people who avoid .0 releases. At this rate I guess they'll hit 13.0 in > a year or two... > > Suse announces version 1000000.0! > Redhat announces version infinity+1 > Suse announces version infinity^2 > Redhat announces version whatever-version-Suse-is-on++ Considering the move to XF86 4.3.0, kde 3.1, glibc 2.3.1, and a few other big changes, it's well worth the major version number increment. This is typical when you make large jumps in important packages. 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This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. Pending posts: From: tanner@real-time.com on Tue Mar 11 22:06:24 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: tanner@real-time.com on Tue Mar 11 22:06:26 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From DeBeau at aol.com Tue Mar 25 00:12:04 2003 From: DeBeau at aol.com (DeBeau@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2623 - 19 msgs Message-ID: Thanks for all the suggestions re my installation woes. It turned out that I had an interrupted installation with all the attending challenges and by coincidence, a dead floppy drive. Now X configurator wants the refresh rate and sync rate on my TDK monitor. TDK seems not to support this relic. Is there a source for that data? Also, thanks for the suggestion to try Mandrake or a newer version of Red Hat. I was under the impression that since LINUX is open source, once one has obtained it, one may always add upgrades via multiple sources. Is this not so? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030325/75923c1f/attachment.htm From dutchman_mn at charter.net Tue Mar 25 00:12:08 2003 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: "Best" Ogg Ripper Message-ID: Granted, I only tried out a few but I think tkcOggRipper is very good. Simple and it does the job. http://www.thekompany.com/projects/tkcoggripper/ Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john4293 at umn.edu Tue Mar 25 00:12:11 2003 From: john4293 at umn.edu (john4293) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] earthlink dialup funkiness Message-ID: <200303211340.h2LDeRga016307@qix.software.umn.edu> good morning to all of you, i've been having a problem the last few days with my mindspring/earthlink dialup. i've tried contacting tech support but when they find out what OS I'm using they tell they can't give me any support. I can connect to earthlink just fine and I can browse most web pages and download my email. The problem comes when I go to upload anything of any meaningful size. Sending email, uploading to ftp, and even posting on message boards my browser hangs at "sending request." I've tried grabbing packets on my gateway and the connection seems to die after the HTTP/GET. Unless I've started sleep-scripting, I don't think I've made any changes to my gateway configuration in months. I can use my UMN dialup without any problems. And to top it all off, when I tried connecting with my parents win98 box, earthlink seemed to work fine. I'm just completely frustrated with this whole thing so I'd love to hear any ideas. Have a great day, Thomas Johnson john4293@tc.umn.edu 763.458.9071 (cell) --- *if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. *leave me out of your collective. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:12:15 2003 From: tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tclug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug-list post from trk030310.shopsmart.230003.2818263.4514898@announce.bay6com.com requires approval Message-ID: <20030321121600.12226.46477.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tclug-list@archives.real-time.com From: trk030310.shopsmart.230003.2818263.4514898@announce.bay6com.com Subject: Keep 50 phone number on your digital watch. Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tclug-list to approve or deny the request. From nate at refried.org Tue Mar 25 00:15:21 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "best" ripper/ogg-encoder? In-Reply-To: <20030320234429.L3811@real-time.com> References: <20030320234429.L3811@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030321143239.GA5468@refried.org> On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 11:44:29PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'd like to re-rip and re-encode my cds. This time into ogg format. > What is the "best" ripper/encoder these days? I like to use Grip. It's really just a front end for any ripper and encoder that you want to use. I use a combination of cdparanoia and ogg123. It allows you to customize the file names and what metadata you want to add to the encoded files. It also has a nice rip-on-insert and eject-after-rip feature. That takes some of the redundancy out of it. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:16:29 2003 From: tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tclug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug-list post from mkane@boldata.com requires approval Message-ID: <20030321211300.2346.43754.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tclug-list@archives.real-time.com From: mkane@boldata.com Subject: Boldata System order Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tclug-list to approve or deny the request. From john4293 at umn.edu Tue Mar 25 00:16:34 2003 From: john4293 at umn.edu (john4293) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] best ripper/ogg-encoder? Message-ID: <200303211419.h2LEJoh8019786@qix.software.umn.edu> I've been using grip for some time and I really like it. You can use just about any ripper/encoder combination you want. unfortunately it's gtk+ based. peace out, ----- Thomas Johnson john4293@tc.umn.edu 763.458.9071 (cell) --- *if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From daret at linuxmail.org Tue Mar 25 00:16:37 2003 From: daret at linuxmail.org (dare t) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:15 2005 Subject: Troll: undocumented features WAS Re: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 Message-ID: <20030321204007.25650.qmail@linuxmail.org> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Tanner Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:45:33 -0600 To: tclug-list@archives.real-time.com Subject: Troll: undocumented features WAS Re: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 > On Thursday 20 March 2003 12:12 pm, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > > There are quite a few times that I've tried to install RH configured > > products, only to find undocumented configuration features. > > This is a total troll... :-) > > How can open source be undocumented? You get the source code so you have all > the documentation you need. > > Yes, yes, user documentation might be missing. But nothing is really > undocumented, since you can look at the code. > > -- It is no wonder linux is kicking MS's ass on the desktop with attitudes like that. -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with e-mail forwarding for only US$5.95/yr Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:16:41 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:15 2005 Subject: Undocumented features was Re: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 In-Reply-To: <20030320224101.GB32189@techmonkeys.org> References: <42984.63.137.56.228.1048100366.squirrel@dccmn.com> <65440.63.137.56.228.1048183940.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20030320224101.GB32189@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200303211305.53178@join.TCLUG.at.www.archives.real-time.com> On Thursday 20 March 2003 04:41 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 12:12:20PM -0600, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > > There are quite a few times that I've tried to install RH configured > > products, only to find undocumented configuration features. > > Undocumented _redhat_ configuration features, or something undocumented > about the package itself? Please, give an example. Hey, nice thread hijack :-P Can we change the subject to what this thread is about? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.archives.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:16:45 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mobile Radeon and APM Message-ID: <15995.23592.296761.539984@tsathoggua.mydomain> I've been having some trouble with my Gateway 450 and its Mobile Radeon card. I find that the Ctrl-Alt- keys (to change to a virtual tty) lock up the X server, as does apm sleep mode. When I restart X, there's garbage at the top of the screen, and it's locked up and I have to reboot. Has anyone else seen this? Anyone have a fix? I did some googling, but could only find other reports of the problem; no suggested fixes. r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:16:49 2003 From: tclug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tclug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 18 tclug-list admin request(s) waiting Message-ID: <20030321230007.5863.33328.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> The tclug-list@archives.real-time.com mailing list has 18 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tclug-list Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. Pending posts: From: jwynia@pragmapool.com on Tue Mar 11 18:54:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: oriyomi@bigfoot.com on Tue Mar 11 21:43:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: jwynia@pragmapool.com on Wed Mar 12 12:39:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: ben@us-admins.com on Thu Mar 13 14:02:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: ben@us-admins.com on Thu Mar 13 17:39:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: awxpp@ugol.ru on Fri Mar 14 08:59:00 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: root@localhost.localdomain on Sat Mar 15 01:26:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: jrrm@transit.ru on Sat Mar 15 02:35:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: frankwilliams@starmedia.com on Sat Mar 15 09:43:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: ddrachimi@ses-central.com on Sat Mar 15 19:49:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: kelvins39@netscape.net on Sun Mar 16 16:58:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: marco@localhost.localdomain on Sun Mar 16 21:41:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: bank@ms57.hinet.net on Tue Mar 18 15:22:00 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: postmaster@mx3.academicplanet.com on Tue Mar 18 20:26:00 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: yaku@postmark.net on Thu Mar 20 07:41:00 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: gies@netpostbus.com on Thu Mar 20 10:26:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: trk030310.shopsmart.230003.2818263.4514898@announce.bay6com.com on Fri Mar 21 06:16:00 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From: mkane@boldata.com on Fri Mar 21 15:13:00 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:16:53 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about Mobile Radeon and APM In-Reply-To: <15995.23592.296761.539984@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15995.23592.296761.539984@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <3E7B671C.2090304@real-time.com> rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I've been having some trouble with my Gateway 450 and its Mobile > Radeon card. I find that the Ctrl-Alt- keys (to change to a > virtual tty) lock up the X server, as does apm sleep mode. When I > restart X, there's garbage at the top of the screen, and it's locked > up and I have to reboot. > > Has anyone else seen this? Anyone have a fix? I did some googling, > but could only find other reports of the problem; no suggested fixes. This is a known issue with the Radeon video driver when using DRI (3d acceleration). Disable DRI, and it will be fixed. Apparently there is a patch submitted to XFree86.org, but they haven't put it in yet. This also happened to me under Mandrake 9.1rc2, and disabling 3d acceleration fixed it. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "If we wanted you to understand it, we wouldn't call it code." _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 00:16:57 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman-2.1 stable? In-Reply-To: <20030320190842.GT7975@mnsdev3> References: <200303191226.32024@join.TCLUG.at.www.archives.real-time.com> <200303201301.46628@join.TCLUG.at.www.archives.real-time.com> <20030320190842.GT7975@mnsdev3> Message-ID: <200303211259.03166@join.TCLUG.at.www.archives.real-time.com> On Thursday 20 March 2003 01:08 pm, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > Last time I looked ezmlm interface was terrible for non-techincal users. > > Which part of it? Is it because you lack a web interface to subscribe / > unsubscribe? Yes, the lack of web interface. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.archives.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From daret at linuxmail.org Tue Mar 25 00:17:02 2003 From: daret at linuxmail.org (dare t) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:16 2005 Subject: Troll: undocumented features WAS Re: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 Message-ID: <20030321204007.25650.qmail@linuxmail.org> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Tanner Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:45:33 -0600 To: tclug-list@archives.real-time.com Subject: Troll: undocumented features WAS Re: [TCLUG] Spamassassin on RH8.0 > On Thursday 20 March 2003 12:12 pm, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > > There are quite a few times that I've tried to install RH configured > > products, only to find undocumented configuration features. > > This is a total troll... :-) > > How can open source be undocumented? You get the source code so you have all > the documentation you need. > > Yes, yes, user documentation might be missing. But nothing is really > undocumented, since you can look at the code. > > -- It is no wonder linux is kicking MS's ass on the desktop with attitudes like that. -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with e-mail forwarding for only US$5.95/yr Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.archives.real-time.com tclug-list@archives.real-time.com https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 10:15:46 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 10:15:54 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 10:15:58 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) 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Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 10:56:54 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 10:56:59 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:03 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:08 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:13 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:17 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:21 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:25 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:30 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:34 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:38 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:43 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:47 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:51 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:06:56 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:07:00 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:07:05 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From tanner at real-time.com Tue Mar 25 11:07:10 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: From wdtj at yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 08:10:32 2003 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Taking over a shell session? Message-ID: <01C242F9.2372A100@GALILEO> VNC allows you to do this. If you disconnect from VNC, the X server keeps running. You can then re-connect from a different (or multiple) machine. -----Original Message----- From: steve ulrich [SMTP:sulrich@botwerks.org] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:47 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Taking over a shell session? screen... when last we saw our hero (Thursday, Aug 08, 2002), linuxguy@geesper.com was madly tapping out: > How can you take over a shell session? > > For example, if I were to be accessing vi or another editor from work, > then go home and ssh into my work machine, can I take over the previous > shell session and pick up where I left off? > Is there something out there that can do this or a way to manuever this? > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Mar 30 22:54:25 2003 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] graphical telnet client Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA00ABFB0F3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> It does work with KDE 3. I have 3.0.2 and it works just fine. Maybe it's patched? I run Gentoo and I just did an "emerge net-misc/ktelnet2" Jay -----Original Message----- From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:55 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] graphical telnet client On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 02:43:51PM -0500, Nick Davis (ndavis@iexposure.com) wrote: > ktelnet is what I use for this. Thanks - looks nice. Wish it worked on kde3 though. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From ndavis at iexposure.com Mon Mar 31 00:53:31 2003 From: ndavis at iexposure.com (Nick Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] graphical telnet client In-Reply-To: <20020814155443.Y1265@real-time.com> References: <20020814135912.W1265@real-time.com> <200208141443.51696.ndavis@iexposure.com> <20020814155443.Y1265@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200208141700.36347.ndavis@iexposure.com> I am using it on kde3. ktelnet-0.7b1-13mdk this is what I am running in Mandrake 8.2 with KDE3.0.2 Nick On Wednesday 14 August 2002 15:54, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 02:43:51PM -0500, Nick Davis (ndavis@iexposure.com) wrote: > > ktelnet is what I use for this. > > Thanks - looks nice. Wish it worked on kde3 though. -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From Ziggybet at aol.com Mon Mar 31 08:44:54 2003 From: Ziggybet at aol.com (Ziggybet) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Eager to see you Message-ID: <200208291841.g7TIfjM08477@sprite.real-time.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030331/76eb3202/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: audio/x-midi Size: 94612 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030331/76eb3202/attachment.bin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/octet-stream Size: 15269 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030331/76eb3202/attachment.obj From jimstreit at northlans.com Mon Mar 31 14:05:44 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] basic tutoring / install help needed In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020829123134.00a929e8@mail.max.inter.net> References: <001101c24f21$78a0e2c0$6401a8c0@HPZT> <5.1.1.6.0.20020829123134.00a929e8@mail.max.inter.net> Message-ID: <2575.65.116.187.194.1030647282.squirrel@www.northlans.com> I don't know if this will work for you, but I had this same problem a couple months ago trying to install RedHat 7.3 onto a new box. I was having a kernel panic error just minutes into the install. 7.1 would install fine, and the 7.3 cds worked on another machine. My machine was running Duron 950 and I can't remember the manufacture of the motherboard (I will look it up when I get home) with and AMI BIOS. Anyway, I came across a web site that made referance to a BIOS setting. I had to disable some power management feature and that fixed it for me. I have been running the box as a server for over 2 months now, and not a single problem since then. > Hello again, folks. Last week I decided Mandrake 8.1 just wasn't new > enough for me now that I have a cable modem, so I downloaded the 8.2 > CDs, repartitioned my drive, and attempted to install the new version. > Got a kernel panic -- can't mount root partition -- a few seconds into > loading the installer. Here's what I've tried so far: > > * Are the CDs bad? No, I checked them against the images, and checked > the images against the checksums available online. > * Is my drive unsupported? No, it still works with the 8.1 CDs, and > swapping out the drive for another doesn't help. > * Is my K6 processor unsupported? No, it still works with 8.1, and > "expert nopentium" at the boot prompt doesn't help. > * Is the problem with Mandrake? No, I downloaded Red Hat 7.3 and the > same thing happens. > * Would it help to upgrade to 8.2 rather than install directly? That > gets around the kernel panic, but a number of packages don't upgrade > correctly, and the system winds up halfway between 8.1 and 8.2. > > Anyway, I'm realizing that the bigger problem here is that I'm not > enough of a geek to figure out what's going on. I live in Lyn-Lake -- > surely there are other Linux folks nearby who are better at this stuff > than I am. My roommate and I are pretty good cooks, and Uptown Pizza > is only 2 blocks away. So if anybody out there is up for a challenge > and hungry for dinner, please write to me. > > Thanks in advance! --Ben > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu Mon Mar 31 15:16:23 2003 From: DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu (Willenbring, Daniel J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? Message-ID: > We're a complete M$ house, and I know that the students and > faculty both would welcome the opportunity I'd be glad to help out whatever way(s) I can. For reference, I am a senior CS/Chem double major. Last time I walked into the science building with a Tux shirt on, I got a few snickers and a snide remark from the CS faculty :) (perhaps the grad faculty is more receptive?) The closest thing to a Linux box I've used on campus (that wasn't in my dorm room) is the OSX machines in our chem lab :) I think an installfest at St. Thomas would be great. Dan Willenbring -----Original Message----- From: Hemminger, Jeffrey D. To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 8/29/02 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? Hey I'd be glad to help with organizing an InstallFest at St Thomas. We're a complete M$ house, and I know that the students and faculty both would welcome the opportunity to speak with some Linux gurus, get some setup help, etc. Give me some info/contacts and I'll run with it. We should do it at the beginning of the semester before things really get cooking (i.e. within the next month or so). Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Cole" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > UMIT has a thing in Engineer's Week where campus orgs and others can do info > booths in a tent outside the building. Something similar may be allowed > during orientation. Call the IT Dean's office and ask. Might do better in > the CS Dept Office, but I'd rather see TCLUG develop some signs of life in > apps outside CS sys admin areas... such as Octave and scientific > applications that are truly enabled by Linux and out of reach in Winders. > Hmmm.. I know an ex pres of the UMIT Alum society who can spell Linux (he's > a PhD SW guru). He would know how/whether to open doors there. I'm not > really an alum, but got talked into joining the alum soc for a few years. > Why not St Thomas also? St Thomas might be much more receptive. Just do an > InstallFest on campus (UMN, St Thom, Stout, River Falls). THAT would get > publicity enough. > > > --- > Chuck > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:40 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] UofM's incomming freshmen class + linux? > > Importance: High > > > > > > Any of you UofM people have any ideas on how we can let the > > new incoming > > freshmen know about tclug? > > > > Any place we can put cheap plugs? > > > > If not cheap-plugs, how about payed-plugs. I'd be willing to > > donate some cash to > > get the word out. > > > > Any CSci orientation thingie? > > > > When I was a frosh, I slept^H^H^H^H attended one of these things. > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Mar 31 15:23:16 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] basic tutoring / install help needed In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020829123134.00a929e8@mail.max.inter.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Ben Stallings wrote: > Hello again, folks. Last week I decided Mandrake 8.1 just wasn't new > enough for me now that I have a cable modem, so I downloaded the 8.2 CDs, > repartitioned my drive, and attempted to install the new version. Got a > kernel panic -- can't mount root partition -- a few seconds into loading > the installer. Here's what I've tried so far: You might want to try appending mem= to the boot prompt. (I.e., for 256mb of RAM, "mem=256M".) I seem to recall hearing of that fixing that problem. Worth a shot... > Anyway, I'm realizing that the bigger problem here is that I'm not enough > of a geek to figure out what's going on. Pfft. We all started somewhere. Jima From jcarte at juno.com Mon Mar 31 20:15:05 2003 From: jcarte at juno.com (jcarte) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Main Navigation Bar Message-ID: <200208292041.g7TKfUM10046@sprite.real-time.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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