I moved from St. Paul to River Falls and comcast change my e-mail but it looks like it is working again. > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ranting/Raving/just POed. (bradyh at bitstream.net) > 2. Re: Ranting/Raving/just POed. (Sam MacDonald) > 3. Re: Ranting/Raving/just POed. (Sam MacDonald) > 4. Re: Help installing Request Tracker (RT) Digest-MD5 (Gerry) > 5. Re: RE: OT: Exploding CDROM (Munir Nassar) > 6. Re: Ranting/Raving/just POed. (Kent Schumacher) > 7. Re: RE: OT: Exploding CDROM (Adam Maloney) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:51:55 -0600 > From: bradyh at bitstream.net > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ranting/Raving/just POed. > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: <1070380315.3fccb51bbd331 at mail.bitstream.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > GDM is the Gnome Display Manager but a lot of people use it because it's a > pretty good one. If it's noticably slowing down your system you could probably > use more memory. > > I've never tried it but if you're on an rpm based distro you should be able to > remove it using: > rpm -e gdm > > Brady > > Quoting Sam MacDonald <smac at visi.com>: > > > Story of my life with Linux. > > > > Does Linux (the system) turn gnome off when it starts KDE, for us KDE users? > > I think the answer is "no" because it needs it after a logout to > > prompt for login. > > So KDE users get the honor of using both KDE and gnome at the > > same time? > > > > <sidebar> > > So because I made the mistake, missing the "last" dialog box that says > > something like "do you want to use a graphical login? with the default > > of "use a graphical login". I've been cursed with a graphical login. > > > > If you remember our brave (ignorant) Linux user is also trying to get > > rid of the graphical login. See the thread "Lost". In the middle I put > > something about changing from graphical to terminal login. > > > > So I change the "inittab" file so it uses a "3" for multiuser login > > instead of a "5" for X11 and restart the machine. > > (Thanks to all for the information) > > > > Now this does not solve the original problem, it did stop the message > > coming up every 2 -5 minutes. Even without X windows running the message > > would display. Did I say X windows would start KDE without any > > problem? Well it does, but the message would pop up as above until I > > change "inittab". > > OH did I say X windows is running about 20% faster now? OH I didn't, > > well it is running about 20% faster then when I had the graphical > > login. Best guess; 2 windows managers were running all the time. > > > > Did I say OO Writer starts then it did before the change to a terminal > > login. Well it starts in 1 minute 25 seconds instead of 1 minute 55 > > seconds. Yes, I timed it when I first installed it. > > </sidebar> > > > > Back to the original problem... > > > > So I set the permissions using the file manager but now the error is (it > > was before changeling to terminal login) > > > > "Server Authorization directory (Daemon/ServAuthdir) is set to /var/gdm > > but has the wrong permissions, it should have permissions of 0750. > > Please correct the permissions or the gdm configuration > > /etc/X11/gem/gdm.conf and restart gdm" > > > > For the life of me I can't remember what the "human" values of 0750 > > are. And I can't remember the command to set permissions. The > > permissions should be corrected just in case I want to torcher myself > > with a graphical login in some far off time. > > > > Sam. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:09:43 -0600 > From: Sam MacDonald <smac at visi.com> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ranting/Raving/just POed. > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: <3FCCB947.3010902 at visi.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Cool, I changed the permissions to the directory > > chmod 0750 gdm > > I might test it later (put the graphical login back in place) but I > doubt it will be a priority. > > Michael Vieths wrote: > > > Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >> For the life of me I can't remember what the "human" values of 0750 > >> are. And I can't remember the command to set permissions. The > >> permissions should be corrected just in case I want to torcher myself > >> with a graphical login in some far off time. > >> > >> Sam. > > > > > > That'd be 0 (sticky bit, you can pretty much ignore this one), 7 > > (read/write/execute for user), 5 (read and execute for group), and 0 > > (allow nothing for other users who aren't in your group). > > > > Use chmod to change them. It works out to: > > > > 4 Read > > 2 Write > > 1 Execute > > > > So, 4+2+1=7, for 'read/write/execute', or '4+1=5' for 'read/execute'. > > > > To change a file to 0750, you'd do 'chmod 0750 filename'. You can > > also do more readable versions: > > > > chmod u+r filename > > will add read permissions for users to filename. Also works with -r > > (remove read), or +w/-w to add or remove write, and +x/-x to add or > > remove execute. Use u for user, g for group, o for everyone else, and > > a for all three. > > > > Hope this is helpful. > > > > Michael Vieths > > Foeclan at Visi.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:15:00 -0600 > From: Sam MacDonald <smac at visi.com> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ranting/Raving/just POed. > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: <3FCCBA84.2050400 at visi.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Just changing to a terminal login fixed the problem because gdm does not > need to run. The login is not graphical so... > > It only starts if graphical login is the option used in inittab. I > then fixed the permissions problem and might test it by setting the > login back to graphical in the inittab. Low priority btw. > > Sam. > > bradyh at bitstream.net wrote: > > >GDM is the Gnome Display Manager but a lot of people use it because it's a > >pretty good one. If it's noticably slowing down your system you could probably > >use more memory. > > > >I've never tried it but if you're on an rpm based distro you should be able to > >remove it using: > >rpm -e gdm > > > >Brady > > > >Quoting Sam MacDonald <smac at visi.com>: > > > > > > > >>Story of my life with Linux. > >> > >>Does Linux (the system) turn gnome off when it starts KDE, for us KDE users? > >> I think the answer is "no" because it needs it after a logout to > >>prompt for login. > >> So KDE users get the honor of using both KDE and gnome at the > >>same time? > >> > >><sidebar> > >>So because I made the mistake, missing the "last" dialog box that says > >>something like "do you want to use a graphical login? with the default > >>of "use a graphical login". I've been cursed with a graphical login. > >> > >>If you remember our brave (ignorant) Linux user is also trying to get > >>rid of the graphical login. See the thread "Lost". In the middle I put > >>something about changing from graphical to terminal login. > >> > >>So I change the "inittab" file so it uses a "3" for multiuser login > >>instead of a "5" for X11 and restart the machine. > >> (Thanks to all for the information) > >> > >>Now this does not solve the original problem, it did stop the message > >>coming up every 2 -5 minutes. Even without X windows running the message > >>would display. Did I say X windows would start KDE without any > >>problem? Well it does, but the message would pop up as above until I > >>change "inittab". > >>OH did I say X windows is running about 20% faster now? OH I didn't, > >>well it is running about 20% faster then when I had the graphical > >>login. Best guess; 2 windows managers were running all the time. > >> > >>Did I say OO Writer starts then it did before the change to a terminal > >>login. Well it starts in 1 minute 25 seconds instead of 1 minute 55 > >>seconds. Yes, I timed it when I first installed it. > >></sidebar> > >> > >>Back to the original problem... > >> > >>So I set the permissions using the file manager but now the error is (it > >>was before changeling to terminal login) > >> > >>"Server Authorization directory (Daemon/ServAuthdir) is set to /var/gdm > >>but has the wrong permissions, it should have permissions of 0750. > >>Please correct the permissions or the gdm configuration > >>/etc/X11/gem/gdm.conf and restart gdm" > >> > >>For the life of me I can't remember what the "human" values of 0750 > >>are. And I can't remember the command to set permissions. The > >>permissions should be corrected just in case I want to torcher myself > >>with a graphical login in some far off time. > >> > >>Sam. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:35:46 -0600 (CST) > From: Gerry <gsker at tcfreenet.org> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Help installing Request Tracker (RT) Digest-MD5 > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: > <Pine.LNX.4.44.0312021000540.6905-100000 at localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Hay! I was just pondering whether I should post a VERY simlar question! > > The error that Chris is getting is the exact error I get when I try to build > Tk at home. It builds fine on my work machine and they are both RedHat 9 > machines! If you (chris) look at Makefile in your cpan build directory, > you might see a Mess!!!! ExtUtils::MakeMaker is hosing the whole thing up > somehow and I can't figure it out! > . . . . > I _JUST_ went googling for this and found reference to a problem with LANG in > the newsgroups! > I set LANG to en_US and rebuilt and guess what! It worked! > I also found a thread exactly about Digest::MD5. > (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=MakeMaker+acting+very+very+weird) > > So, Chris, try this -- > > export LANG=en_US > perl -MCPAN -e"install Digest::MD5" > > And let us know how far you get! > Thanks for the motivation to fix this. I have a nice stock watching program > that required it! (http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/code/smtm.html). > > A little more research revealed that LANG is unset at work and set to > en_US.UTF-8 at home. > > Gerry > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Chris Schumann wrote: > > > From: "John J. Trammell" <trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com> > > > 1. You can always install the Perl module "by hand"--no need to > > > use CPAN. > > Well, I'm not sure how to do that. If I use "perl -MCPAN -eshell" and then > > "install Digest::MD5" the same thing happens. > > > [SNIP] > > Makefile.PL is used to build Makefile (it says "Writing Makefile for > > Digest::MD5") and then the make error appears. > > > > CPAN.pm: Going to build G/GA/GAAS/Digest-MD5-2.31.tar.gz > > > > Testing alignment requirements for U32... no restrictions > > Checking if your kit is complete... > > Looks good > > Writing Makefile for Digest::MD5 > > Makefile:84: *** missing separator. Stop. > > /usr/bin/make -j3 -- NOT OK > > > > Any other ideas or pointers where to look? > > Chris > > -- > Gerry Skerbitz > gsker at tcfreenet.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:44:47 -0600 (CST) > From: Munir Nassar <nassarmu at redconcepts.net> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RE: OT: Exploding CDROM > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: > <Pine.LNX.4.44.0312021029420.1651-100000 at ode2joy.redconcepts.net> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > I don't remember any of the numbers, but the Caddy driver ended up > > calling the ambulance/coroner for the VW driver, who would have been > > catapulted 60+ feet through the windshield (assuming no seatbelt, no > > windshield). Made me feel a lot better about driving my (solid-frame, > > all-steel, full-sized, '89 Crown Vic) Shaggin' Wagon. > > yeah, but you would also have the meanest case of whiplash(sp?) in the > world. > > most people assume that cars are not build like they used to because cars > nowadays crumple when hit. It is true that they are not built like they > used to, they are in fact designed to crumple. think of the part that > crumples as the foam that protects the harddrive when the UPS guy is > chugging it into the back of his truck! > > bet you did not take that into account as you were making the > calculations > > -- > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > http://redconcepts.net/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:54:41 -0600 > From: Kent Schumacher <kent at structural-wood.com> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ranting/Raving/just POed. > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: <3FCCC3D1.4000500 at structural-wood.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > You can temporarily switch to graphical login using the command > > telinit 5 > > and back to a textual login using > > telinit 3 > > Good for testing your {g,x,k}dm setup. > > Note that if your {g,x,k}dm setup is bad, you can (probably) do > a [ctrl[alt][backspace] to kill the X-server and get back to > a text prompt. > > {[(Kent)]} > > > > Sam MacDonald wrote: > > Just changing to a terminal login fixed the problem because gdm does not > > need to run. The login is not graphical so... > > > > It only starts if graphical login is the option used in inittab. I > > then fixed the permissions problem and might test it by setting the > > login back to graphical in the inittab. Low priority btw. > > > > Sam. > > > > bradyh at bitstream.net wrote: > > > >> GDM is the Gnome Display Manager but a lot of people use it because > >> it's a > >> pretty good one. If it's noticably slowing down your system you could > >> probably > >> use more memory. > >> > >> I've never tried it but if you're on an rpm based distro you should be > >> able to > >> remove it using: > >> rpm -e gdm > >> > >> Brady > >> > >> Quoting Sam MacDonald <smac at visi.com>: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Story of my life with Linux. > >>> > >>> Does Linux (the system) turn gnome off when it starts KDE, for us KDE > >>> users? > >>> I think the answer is "no" because it needs it after a logout to > >>> prompt for login. > >>> So KDE users get the honor of using both KDE and gnome at the > >>> same time? > >>> > >>> <sidebar> > >>> So because I made the mistake, missing the "last" dialog box that > >>> says something like "do you want to use a graphical login? with the > >>> default of "use a graphical login". I've been cursed with a > >>> graphical login. > >>> > >>> If you remember our brave (ignorant) Linux user is also trying to get > >>> rid of the graphical login. See the thread "Lost". In the middle I > >>> put something about changing from graphical to terminal login. > >>> > >>> So I change the "inittab" file so it uses a "3" for multiuser login > >>> instead of a "5" for X11 and restart the machine. > >>> (Thanks to all for the information) > >>> > >>> Now this does not solve the original problem, it did stop the message > >>> coming up every 2 -5 minutes. Even without X windows running the > >>> message would display. Did I say X windows would start KDE without > >>> any problem? Well it does, but the message would pop up as above > >>> until I change "inittab". > >>> OH did I say X windows is running about 20% faster now? OH I didn't, > >>> well it is running about 20% faster then when I had the graphical > >>> login. Best guess; 2 windows managers were running all the time. > >>> > >>> Did I say OO Writer starts then it did before the change to a > >>> terminal login. Well it starts in 1 minute 25 seconds instead of 1 > >>> minute 55 seconds. Yes, I timed it when I first installed it. > >>> </sidebar> > >>> > >>> Back to the original problem... > >>> > >>> So I set the permissions using the file manager but now the error is > >>> (it was before changeling to terminal login) > >>> "Server Authorization directory (Daemon/ServAuthdir) is set to > >>> /var/gdm but has the wrong permissions, it should have permissions of > >>> 0750. Please correct the permissions or the gdm configuration > >>> /etc/X11/gem/gdm.conf and restart gdm" > >>> > >>> For the life of me I can't remember what the "human" values of 0750 > >>> are. And I can't remember the command to set permissions. The > >>> permissions should be corrected just in case I want to torcher myself > >>> with a graphical login in some far off time. > >>> > >>> Sam. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:31:50 -0600 > From: Adam Maloney <adamm at sihope.com> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RE: OT: Exploding CDROM > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> > Message-ID: <1070386308.23411.116.camel at unixws1> > Content-Type: text/plain > > No we didn't. But at the risk of starting a flamewar, I'd like to point > out that the number of accident-related fatalities in Minnesota hasn't > changed significantly in the last 20 years (since the advent of things > like (picture Chris Farley here...) "seatbelt laws", and "crumple zones" > and "a .06 legal limit"). It has changed, but not a big (forgive the > pun) dent, like you would expect based on all of the safety requirements > and advances that have supposedly happened. > > (Okay, don't get all mad here, I'm going on a rant, and lots of this is > tongue-in-cheek) > > Sure, at 60mph head-on I wouldn't *mind* having a crumple zone and some > airbags, but an injury accident is a game of mass, and the guy driving > the '03 Civic with all of his sissy space-aged safety widgets, NASA > plastic body, a 6" tailpipe, and a 400hp stereo in a 150hp car, is > probably going to be much worse off than I would have been in my > Exxon-Valdez (the Shaggin' Wagon's other name, it was a tanker, and it > leaked oil). > > Carl knows what I'm talking about - he had that pimpin' 80's Caddy. I > got comments from the guys at the Meth lab across the street for days > after he stopped by in that beast. All the ladies want him, and all the > crank addicts want to *be* him! > > Hell, the wagon HAD crumple zones...someone ran a red and drove into the > rear quarter-panel (behind the rear tire), dented it in. Did I have to > fly some Japanese guy to America with special tools and paint to fix it > up? No! We took an 8-pound sledge and pounded that dent out. That > rat-bastard fled the scene too. > > > On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 10:44, Munir Nassar wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > > > I don't remember any of the numbers, but the Caddy driver ended up > > > calling the ambulance/coroner for the VW driver, who would have been > > > catapulted 60+ feet through the windshield (assuming no seatbelt, no > > > windshield). Made me feel a lot better about driving my (solid-frame, > > > all-steel, full-sized, '89 Crown Vic) Shaggin' Wagon. > > > > yeah, but you would also have the meanest case of whiplash(sp?) in the > > world. > > > > most people assume that cars are not build like they used to because cars > > nowadays crumple when hit. It is true that they are not built like they > > used to, they are in fact designed to crumple. think of the part that > > crumples as the foam that protects the harddrive when the UPS guy is > > chugging it into the back of his truck! > > > > bet you did not take that into account as you were making the > > calculations > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 9 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list