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>    1. Re: Ranting/Raving/just POed. (bradyh at bitstream.net)
>    2. Re: Ranting/Raving/just POed. (Sam MacDonald)
>    3. Re: Ranting/Raving/just POed. (Sam MacDonald)
>    4. Re: Help installing Request Tracker (RT) Digest-MD5 (Gerry)
>    5. Re: RE: OT: Exploding CDROM (Munir Nassar)
>    6. Re: Ranting/Raving/just POed. (Kent Schumacher)
>    7. Re: RE: OT: Exploding CDROM (Adam Maloney)
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue,  2 Dec 2003 09:51:55 -0600
> From: bradyh at bitstream.net
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ranting/Raving/just POed.
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <1070380315.3fccb51bbd331 at mail.bitstream.net>
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> 
> GDM is the Gnome Display Manager but a lot of people use it because it's a
> pretty good one.  If it's noticably slowing down your system you could probably
> use more memory.
> 
> I've never tried it but if you're on an rpm based distro you should be able to
> remove it using:
> rpm -e gdm
> 
> Brady
> 
> Quoting Sam MacDonald <smac at visi.com>:
> 
> > Story of my life with Linux.
> > 
> > Does Linux (the system) turn gnome off when it starts KDE, for us KDE users?
> >     I think the answer is "no" because it needs it after a logout to 
> > prompt for login.
> >        So KDE users get the honor of using both KDE and gnome at the 
> > same time?
> > 
> > <sidebar>
> > So because I made the mistake, missing the "last" dialog box that says 
> > something like "do you want to use a graphical login? with the default 
> > of "use a graphical login".  I've been cursed with a graphical login.
> > 
> > If you remember our brave (ignorant) Linux user is also trying to get 
> > rid of the graphical login.  See the thread "Lost". In the middle I put 
> > something about changing from graphical to terminal login.
> > 
> > So I change the "inittab" file so it uses a "3" for multiuser login 
> > instead of a "5"  for X11 and  restart the machine.
> >     (Thanks to all for the information)
> > 
> > Now this does not solve the original problem, it did stop the message 
> > coming up every 2 -5 minutes. Even without X windows running the message 
> > would display.  Did I say X windows would start KDE without any 
> > problem?  Well it does, but the message would pop up as above until I 
> > change "inittab".
> > OH did I say X windows is running about 20% faster now? OH I didn't, 
> > well it is running about 20% faster then when I had the graphical 
> > login.  Best guess; 2 windows managers were running all the time.
> > 
> > Did I say OO Writer starts then it did before the change to a terminal 
> > login. Well it starts in 1 minute 25 seconds instead of 1 minute 55 
> > seconds.  Yes, I timed it when I first installed it.
> > </sidebar>
> > 
> > Back to the original problem...
> > 
> > So I set the permissions using the file manager but now the error is (it 
> > was before changeling to terminal login) 
> > 
> > "Server Authorization directory (Daemon/ServAuthdir) is set to /var/gdm 
> > but has the wrong permissions, it should have permissions of 0750. 
> > Please correct the permissions or the gdm configuration 
> > /etc/X11/gem/gdm.conf and restart gdm"
> > 
> > For the life of me I can't remember what the "human" values of 0750 
> > are.  And I can't remember the command to set permissions.  The 
> > permissions should be corrected just in case I want to torcher myself 
> > with a graphical login in some far off time.
> > 
> > Sam.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:09:43 -0600
> From: Sam MacDonald <smac at visi.com>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ranting/Raving/just POed.
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <3FCCB947.3010902 at visi.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Cool, I changed the permissions to the directory
> 
> chmod 0750 gdm
> 
> I might test it later (put the graphical login back in place) but I 
> doubt it will be a priority.
> 
> Michael Vieths wrote:
> 
> > Sam MacDonald wrote:
> >
> >> For the life of me I can't remember what the "human" values of 0750 
> >> are.  And I can't remember the command to set permissions.  The 
> >> permissions should be corrected just in case I want to torcher myself 
> >> with a graphical login in some far off time.
> >>
> >> Sam. 
> >
> >
> > That'd be 0 (sticky bit, you can pretty much ignore this one), 7 
> > (read/write/execute for user), 5 (read and execute for group), and 0 
> > (allow nothing for other users who aren't in your group).
> >
> > Use chmod to change them.  It works out to:
> >
> > 4   Read
> > 2   Write
> > 1   Execute
> >
> > So, 4+2+1=7, for 'read/write/execute', or '4+1=5' for 'read/execute'.
> >
> > To change a file to 0750, you'd do 'chmod 0750 filename'.  You can 
> > also do more readable versions:
> >
> > chmod u+r filename
> > will add read permissions for users to filename.  Also works with -r 
> > (remove read), or +w/-w to add or remove write, and +x/-x to add or 
> > remove execute.  Use u for user, g for group, o for everyone else, and 
> > a for all three.
> >
> > Hope this is helpful.
> >
> > Michael Vieths
> > Foeclan at Visi.com
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:15:00 -0600
> From: Sam MacDonald <smac at visi.com>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ranting/Raving/just POed.
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <3FCCBA84.2050400 at visi.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Just changing to a terminal login fixed the problem because gdm does not 
> need to run.  The login is not graphical so...
> 
> It only starts if graphical login is the option used in inittab.   I 
> then fixed the permissions problem and might test it by setting the 
> login back to graphical in the inittab.  Low priority btw.
> 
> Sam.
> 
> bradyh at bitstream.net wrote:
> 
> >GDM is the Gnome Display Manager but a lot of people use it because it's a
> >pretty good one.  If it's noticably slowing down your system you could probably
> >use more memory.
> >
> >I've never tried it but if you're on an rpm based distro you should be able to
> >remove it using:
> >rpm -e gdm
> >
> >Brady
> >
> >Quoting Sam MacDonald <smac at visi.com>:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Story of my life with Linux.
> >>
> >>Does Linux (the system) turn gnome off when it starts KDE, for us KDE users?
> >>    I think the answer is "no" because it needs it after a logout to 
> >>prompt for login.
> >>       So KDE users get the honor of using both KDE and gnome at the 
> >>same time?
> >>
> >><sidebar>
> >>So because I made the mistake, missing the "last" dialog box that says 
> >>something like "do you want to use a graphical login? with the default 
> >>of "use a graphical login".  I've been cursed with a graphical login.
> >>
> >>If you remember our brave (ignorant) Linux user is also trying to get 
> >>rid of the graphical login.  See the thread "Lost". In the middle I put 
> >>something about changing from graphical to terminal login.
> >>
> >>So I change the "inittab" file so it uses a "3" for multiuser login 
> >>instead of a "5"  for X11 and  restart the machine.
> >>    (Thanks to all for the information)
> >>
> >>Now this does not solve the original problem, it did stop the message 
> >>coming up every 2 -5 minutes. Even without X windows running the message 
> >>would display.  Did I say X windows would start KDE without any 
> >>problem?  Well it does, but the message would pop up as above until I 
> >>change "inittab".
> >>OH did I say X windows is running about 20% faster now? OH I didn't, 
> >>well it is running about 20% faster then when I had the graphical 
> >>login.  Best guess; 2 windows managers were running all the time.
> >>
> >>Did I say OO Writer starts then it did before the change to a terminal 
> >>login. Well it starts in 1 minute 25 seconds instead of 1 minute 55 
> >>seconds.  Yes, I timed it when I first installed it.
> >></sidebar>
> >>
> >>Back to the original problem...
> >>
> >>So I set the permissions using the file manager but now the error is (it 
> >>was before changeling to terminal login) 
> >>
> >>"Server Authorization directory (Daemon/ServAuthdir) is set to /var/gdm 
> >>but has the wrong permissions, it should have permissions of 0750. 
> >>Please correct the permissions or the gdm configuration 
> >>/etc/X11/gem/gdm.conf and restart gdm"
> >>
> >>For the life of me I can't remember what the "human" values of 0750 
> >>are.  And I can't remember the command to set permissions.  The 
> >>permissions should be corrected just in case I want to torcher myself 
> >>with a graphical login in some far off time.
> >>
> >>Sam.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:35:46 -0600 (CST)
> From: Gerry <gsker at tcfreenet.org>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Help installing Request Tracker (RT) Digest-MD5
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0312021000540.6905-100000 at localhost.localdomain>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> Hay! I was just pondering whether I should post a VERY simlar question!
> 
> The error that Chris is getting is the exact error I get when I try to build 
> Tk at home.  It builds fine on my work machine and they are both RedHat 9 
> machines!  If you (chris) look at Makefile in your cpan build directory, 
> you might see a Mess!!!! ExtUtils::MakeMaker is hosing the whole thing up 
> somehow and I can't figure it out!   
> . . . .
> I _JUST_ went googling for this and found reference to a problem with LANG in 
> the newsgroups!
> I set LANG to en_US and rebuilt and guess what!  It worked!
> I also found a thread exactly about Digest::MD5.  
> (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=MakeMaker+acting+very+very+weird)
> 
> So, Chris, try this --
> 
> export LANG=en_US
> perl -MCPAN -e"install Digest::MD5"
> 
> And let us know how far you get!
> Thanks for the motivation to fix this.  I have a nice stock watching program 
> that required it! (http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/code/smtm.html).
> 
> A little more research revealed that LANG is unset at work and set to 
> en_US.UTF-8 at home.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Chris Schumann wrote:
> > > From: "John J. Trammell" <trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com>
> > > 1. You can always install the Perl module "by hand"--no need to
> > >    use CPAN.
> > Well, I'm not sure how to do that. If I use "perl -MCPAN -eshell" and then
> > "install Digest::MD5" the same thing happens.
> > 
> [SNIP]
> > Makefile.PL is used to build Makefile (it says "Writing Makefile for
> > Digest::MD5") and then the make error appears.
> > 
> >   CPAN.pm: Going to build G/GA/GAAS/Digest-MD5-2.31.tar.gz
> > 
> > Testing alignment requirements for U32... no restrictions
> > Checking if your kit is complete...
> > Looks good
> > Writing Makefile for Digest::MD5
> > Makefile:84: *** missing separator.  Stop.
> >   /usr/bin/make -j3 -- NOT OK
> > 
> > Any other ideas or pointers where to look?
> > Chris
> 
> -- 
> Gerry Skerbitz
> gsker at tcfreenet.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:44:47 -0600 (CST)
> From: Munir Nassar <nassarmu at redconcepts.net>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RE: OT: Exploding CDROM
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0312021029420.1651-100000 at ode2joy.redconcepts.net>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Adam Maloney wrote:
> 
> > I don't remember any of the numbers, but the Caddy driver ended up
> > calling the ambulance/coroner for the VW driver, who would have been
> > catapulted 60+ feet through the windshield (assuming no seatbelt, no
> > windshield).  Made me feel a lot better about driving my (solid-frame,
> > all-steel, full-sized, '89 Crown Vic) Shaggin' Wagon.
> 
> yeah, but you would also have the meanest case of whiplash(sp?) in the 
> world.
> 
> most people assume that cars are not build like they used to because cars 
> nowadays crumple when hit. It is true that they are not built like they 
> used to, they are in fact designed to crumple. think of the part that 
> crumples as the foam that protects the harddrive when the UPS guy is 
> chugging it into the back of his truck!
> 
> bet you did not take that into account as you were making the 
> calculations
> 
> -- 
> Munir Nassar
> RedConcepts.NET
> http://redconcepts.net/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:54:41 -0600
> From: Kent Schumacher <kent at structural-wood.com>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ranting/Raving/just POed.
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <3FCCC3D1.4000500 at structural-wood.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> 
> You can temporarily switch to graphical login using the command
> 
> 	telinit 5
> 
> and back to a textual login using
> 
> 	telinit 3
> 
> Good for testing your {g,x,k}dm setup.
> 
> Note that if your {g,x,k}dm setup is bad, you can (probably) do
> a [ctrl[alt][backspace] to kill the X-server and get back to
> a text prompt.
> 
> {[(Kent)]}
> 
> 
> 
> Sam MacDonald wrote:
> > Just changing to a terminal login fixed the problem because gdm does not 
> > need to run.  The login is not graphical so...
> > 
> > It only starts if graphical login is the option used in inittab.   I 
> > then fixed the permissions problem and might test it by setting the 
> > login back to graphical in the inittab.  Low priority btw.
> > 
> > Sam.
> > 
> > bradyh at bitstream.net wrote:
> > 
> >> GDM is the Gnome Display Manager but a lot of people use it because 
> >> it's a
> >> pretty good one.  If it's noticably slowing down your system you could 
> >> probably
> >> use more memory.
> >>
> >> I've never tried it but if you're on an rpm based distro you should be 
> >> able to
> >> remove it using:
> >> rpm -e gdm
> >>
> >> Brady
> >>
> >> Quoting Sam MacDonald <smac at visi.com>:
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >>> Story of my life with Linux.
> >>>
> >>> Does Linux (the system) turn gnome off when it starts KDE, for us KDE 
> >>> users?
> >>>    I think the answer is "no" because it needs it after a logout to 
> >>> prompt for login.
> >>>       So KDE users get the honor of using both KDE and gnome at the 
> >>> same time?
> >>>
> >>> <sidebar>
> >>> So because I made the mistake, missing the "last" dialog box that 
> >>> says something like "do you want to use a graphical login? with the 
> >>> default of "use a graphical login".  I've been cursed with a 
> >>> graphical login.
> >>>
> >>> If you remember our brave (ignorant) Linux user is also trying to get 
> >>> rid of the graphical login.  See the thread "Lost". In the middle I 
> >>> put something about changing from graphical to terminal login.
> >>>
> >>> So I change the "inittab" file so it uses a "3" for multiuser login 
> >>> instead of a "5"  for X11 and  restart the machine.
> >>>    (Thanks to all for the information)
> >>>
> >>> Now this does not solve the original problem, it did stop the message 
> >>> coming up every 2 -5 minutes. Even without X windows running the 
> >>> message would display.  Did I say X windows would start KDE without 
> >>> any problem?  Well it does, but the message would pop up as above 
> >>> until I change "inittab".
> >>> OH did I say X windows is running about 20% faster now? OH I didn't, 
> >>> well it is running about 20% faster then when I had the graphical 
> >>> login.  Best guess; 2 windows managers were running all the time.
> >>>
> >>> Did I say OO Writer starts then it did before the change to a 
> >>> terminal login. Well it starts in 1 minute 25 seconds instead of 1 
> >>> minute 55 seconds.  Yes, I timed it when I first installed it.
> >>> </sidebar>
> >>>
> >>> Back to the original problem...
> >>>
> >>> So I set the permissions using the file manager but now the error is 
> >>> (it was before changeling to terminal login)
> >>> "Server Authorization directory (Daemon/ServAuthdir) is set to 
> >>> /var/gdm but has the wrong permissions, it should have permissions of 
> >>> 0750. Please correct the permissions or the gdm configuration 
> >>> /etc/X11/gem/gdm.conf and restart gdm"
> >>>
> >>> For the life of me I can't remember what the "human" values of 0750 
> >>> are.  And I can't remember the command to set permissions.  The 
> >>> permissions should be corrected just in case I want to torcher myself 
> >>> with a graphical login in some far off time.
> >>>
> >>> Sam.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> >>
> >>  
> >>
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:31:50 -0600
> From: Adam Maloney <adamm at sihope.com>
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RE: OT: Exploding CDROM
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <1070386308.23411.116.camel at unixws1>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> No we didn't.  But at the risk of starting a flamewar, I'd like to point
> out that the number of accident-related fatalities in Minnesota hasn't
> changed significantly in the last 20 years (since the advent of things
> like (picture Chris Farley here...) "seatbelt laws", and "crumple zones"
> and "a .06 legal limit").  It has changed, but not a big (forgive the
> pun) dent, like you would expect based on all of the safety requirements
> and advances that have supposedly happened.
> 
> (Okay, don't get all mad here, I'm going on a rant, and lots of this is
> tongue-in-cheek)
> 
> Sure, at 60mph head-on I wouldn't *mind* having a crumple zone and some
> airbags, but an injury accident is a game of mass, and the guy driving
> the '03 Civic with all of his sissy space-aged safety widgets, NASA
> plastic body, a 6" tailpipe, and a 400hp stereo in a 150hp car, is
> probably going to be much worse off than I would have been in my
> Exxon-Valdez (the Shaggin' Wagon's other name, it was a tanker, and it
> leaked oil).  
> 
> Carl knows what I'm talking about - he had that pimpin' 80's Caddy.  I
> got comments from the guys at the Meth lab across the street for days
> after he stopped by in that beast.  All the ladies want him, and all the
> crank addicts want to *be* him!
> 
> Hell, the wagon HAD crumple zones...someone ran a red and drove into the
> rear quarter-panel (behind the rear tire), dented it in.  Did I have to
> fly some Japanese guy to America with special tools and paint to fix it
> up?  No!  We took an 8-pound sledge and pounded that dent out.  That
> rat-bastard fled the scene too.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 10:44, Munir Nassar wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Adam Maloney wrote:
> > 
> > > I don't remember any of the numbers, but the Caddy driver ended up
> > > calling the ambulance/coroner for the VW driver, who would have been
> > > catapulted 60+ feet through the windshield (assuming no seatbelt, no
> > > windshield).  Made me feel a lot better about driving my (solid-frame,
> > > all-steel, full-sized, '89 Crown Vic) Shaggin' Wagon.
> > 
> > yeah, but you would also have the meanest case of whiplash(sp?) in the 
> > world.
> > 
> > most people assume that cars are not build like they used to because cars 
> > nowadays crumple when hit. It is true that they are not built like they 
> > used to, they are in fact designed to crumple. think of the part that 
> > crumples as the foam that protects the harddrive when the UPS guy is 
> > chugging it into the back of his truck!
> > 
> > bet you did not take that into account as you were making the 
> > calculations
> 
> 
> 
> 
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