From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 22:46:05 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing Message-ID: <20030416221201.A11980@real-time.com> Testing From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 00:24:30 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing Message-ID: <20030418002430.E1536@real-time.com> Testing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Apr 18 00:46:47 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi OT: Freelance consulting question (Test2) Message-ID: <200304180046.47379@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> I've been consulting for the past 12 years myself, and I usually just go to the company being sure they have a clear picture of my hourly rate. I do the job, leave, and send them a bill. I've found companies very willing to pay because they know that the IT community is a "small world," and if they want service again, they don't mess with the consultants. The only times I've found contracts necessary were when a) you draw up retainers (agreements to provide some amount of service over a certain period of time or to be "on call" with them), or b) when you do work for the government, but the government's easy since they usually present you with a contract that you read and sign (or read and walk away). Have fun with it! Garrett Erik Anderson wrote: > So I have just gotten asked to do my first freelance consulting gig. > I'll be setting up an Apache/Tomcat environment for a company, but > that's beside the point. > > I figure that there are at least a few people on the list that have > done private consulting before, and I'd like to ask for advice, as I'm > pretty ignorant to the whole process. > > I know that they'll just cut me a check, and I'll have to declare that > income on next year's tax return. > > Do I need to write up a contract beforehand? > Is there any legalities that I need to be careful of? > Should I get a partial payment before starting? > etc., etc., etc. > > There's a thousand more questions I could ask, but I guess I'll start > with these. > > Thanks in advance! > -Erik Anderson > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Apr 18 00:51:05 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi OT: Freelance consulting question (Forward->Redirect) Message-ID: <200304180051.05124@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> I've been consulting for the past 12 years myself, and I usually just go to the company being sure they have a clear picture of my hourly rate. I do the job, leave, and send them a bill. I've found companies very willing to pay because they know that the IT community is a "small world," and if they want service again, they don't mess with the consultants. The only times I've found contracts necessary were when a) you draw up retainers (agreements to provide some amount of service over a certain period of time or to be "on call" with them), or b) when you do work for the government, but the government's easy since they usually present you with a contract that you read and sign (or read and walk away). Have fun with it! Garrett Erik Anderson wrote: > So I have just gotten asked to do my first freelance consulting gig. > I'll be setting up an Apache/Tomcat environment for a company, but > that's beside the point. > > I figure that there are at least a few people on the list that have > done private consulting before, and I'd like to ask for advice, as I'm > pretty ignorant to the whole process. > > I know that they'll just cut me a check, and I'll have to declare that > income on next year's tax return. > > Do I need to write up a contract beforehand? > Is there any legalities that I need to be careful of? > Should I get a partial payment before starting? > etc., etc., etc. > > There's a thousand more questions I could ask, but I guess I'll start > with these. > > Thanks in advance! > -Erik Anderson > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.org Fri Apr 18 16:05:15 2003 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde desktop = single large window in fluxbox? Message-ID: <200304181605.15234@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> drake@lemongecko.org 03/26/03 09:09PM: > I'm having a weird problem trying to use KDE with fluxbox. When I startup > KDE and tell it to use fluxbox (by setting KDEWM=fluxbox), it starts up > the KDE desktop as a single, large window that covers the fluxbox toolbar > and slit. You can resize/move/kill this window and get to the usual > fluxbox stuff behind it Answering my own question for Google fodder, since Google doesn't seem to index the fluxbox-users mailing list. Grrr. According to the message at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=4233628 , KDE isn't supported by fluxbox. They know about it and it should be fixed soonish.. Dan -- | DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 | | Dan Drake | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to the message at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=4233628 , KDE isn't supported by fluxbox. They know about it and it should be fixed soonish.. Dan -- | DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 | | Dan Drake | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030418/4296476e/attachment.pgp From drake at lemongecko.org Fri Apr 18 16:13:01 2003 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde desktop = single large window in fluxbox? (kmail) Message-ID: <200304181613.01296@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> drake@lemongecko.org 03/26/03 09:09PM: > I'm having a weird problem trying to use KDE with fluxbox. When I startup > KDE and tell it to use fluxbox (by setting KDEWM=fluxbox), it starts up > the KDE desktop as a single, large window that covers the fluxbox toolbar > and slit. You can resize/move/kill this window and get to the usual > fluxbox stuff behind it Answering my own question for Google fodder, since Google doesn't seem to index the fluxbox-users mailing list. Grrr. According to the message at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=4233628 , KDE isn't supported by fluxbox. They know about it and it should be fixed soonish.. Dan -- | DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 | | Dan Drake | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030418/61c258fa/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 19:58:21 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> References: <000001c305b9$2f059710$16a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <200304181958.21135@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 April 2003 12:07 pm, B_o_B wrote: > Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 11:25:22 AM Central Standard Time > > c> I want to switch to DSL service, but Qwest here in the Twin Cities only > c> 'officially' supports Windows. Does anyone have feedback on DSL Have to do a cheap plug here. Real Time is a smaller ISP in the Twin Cities and we not only support linux, we actively promote it. http://www.real-time.com/ http://www.linuxjustworks.com/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 20:04:55 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304182004.55273@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 April 2003 05:00 pm, Jima wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 kiler0n@ags-us.com wrote: > > ...believe it or not 675s as well. I sold 5 on Ebay early this year :) > > Got about $20 for each of them. > > ...which would be great, except the 675 is useless for new Qwest DSL > terminations. They only seem to do DMT installs now, which the 675 can't > talk. I've got two 675's, which didn't do me a whit of good when I got my > DSL circuit reprovisioned. I ended up eBaying a 678, which has worked > seamlessly. :-) I should read the whole thread before responding. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 20:04:12 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux + 67[58] CAP vs DMT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304182004.12211@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 April 2003 03:36 pm, kiler0n@ags-us.com wrote: > ...believe it or not 675s as well. I sold 5 on Ebay early this year :) > Got about $20 for each of them. Note of warning here, because of just buying any old Cisco router, since you have to make sure your CPE (router) matches what Qwest puts to your house. Wanna make sure router is CAP or DMT and the line matches. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 20:05:44 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11 internet access In-Reply-To: <1050697998.31137.35.camel@lotsa> References: <1050697998.31137.35.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <200304182005.44997@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 April 2003 03:33 pm, Tom Penney wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know where I can find a list of places that offer wireless > internet access to patrons. I just got an 802.11b network set up at my > house. very cool. I do a lot of lunch meetings around town and internet > access would be very helpful. > > I see Old Chicago Restaurants have wireless internet access free for > customers. Does anyone know of other places that do this? > > I read a while ago that Starbucks and McDonald's where talking about > putting in wireless internet for customers. Any in Minneapolis? > > Tom I believe there is a list at http://www.tcwug.org. Rick? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Apr 18 20:28:09 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying Message-ID: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> I have a friend who wants to set up an e-mail server. We wants to be able to accept e-mail from outlook, etc. via SMTP from his customers. In otherwords, he needs to support relaying from other machines on the internet... Of course we don't want to set up an open relay. But we also don't know the ip addresses of the customers either, so we can't use the sendmail access table to accept mail from certain machines. Outlook, etc appears to support authentication on mail connections. Anyone know how to set this up with sendmail? Is this what sasl is used for? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 20:04:12 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux + 67[58] CAP vs DMT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304182004.12211@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 April 2003 03:36 pm, kiler0n@ags-us.com wrote: > ...believe it or not 675s as well. I sold 5 on Ebay early this year :) > Got about $20 for each of them. Note of warning here, because of just buying any old Cisco router, since you have to make sure your CPE (router) matches what Qwest puts to your house. Wanna make sure router is CAP or DMT and the line matches. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 20:04:55 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304182004.55273@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 April 2003 05:00 pm, Jima wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 kiler0n@ags-us.com wrote: > > ...believe it or not 675s as well. I sold 5 on Ebay early this year :) > > Got about $20 for each of them. > > ...which would be great, except the 675 is useless for new Qwest DSL > terminations. They only seem to do DMT installs now, which the 675 can't > talk. I've got two 675's, which didn't do me a whit of good when I got my > DSL circuit reprovisioned. I ended up eBaying a 678, which has worked > seamlessly. :-) I should read the whole thread before responding. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 19:58:21 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> References: <000001c305b9$2f059710$16a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <200304181958.21135@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 April 2003 12:07 pm, B_o_B wrote: > Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 11:25:22 AM Central Standard Time > > c> I want to switch to DSL service, but Qwest here in the Twin Cities only > c> 'officially' supports Windows. Does anyone have feedback on DSL Have to do a cheap plug here. Real Time is a smaller ISP in the Twin Cities and we not only support linux, we actively promote it. http://www.real-time.com/ http://www.linuxjustworks.com/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 14:59:09 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <15181246726.20030418145722@toughguy.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, B_o_B wrote: > Hi All.... Where is the best place to get a box of CAT 5 UTP cable > here in the Twin Cities. I used top pay about 40-45 bucks in LA for > 1000 feet. Any ideas would be great. Home Depot's got it for about that price. Not Plenum, of course.. so don't be throwin it above ceilings in your officespace. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Apr 17 13:35:57 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Development Firms Message-ID: <3E9EF40D.2080900@sodatrain.com> Hello- I am looking to put together a list of reputable and quality web development firms (or individuals). I then want to put out a RFQ. I'd love to hear any reccomendations (good or bad) of firms/people you have worked with locally, or out state. We are a small business that builds widgets and sells them thru a network of dealers (ie no end user sales). If you as an indivdual would like to quote a project, please email me off list. We will host our own site, and expect it to be LAMP friendly. :) Thanks duncan -- Duncan Shannon Non-Profit Web hosting and design http://www.npohost.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Thu Apr 17 12:23:51 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop recommendations In-Reply-To: <20030417065319.A9849@ham.space.umn.edu> References: <20030417065319.A9849@ham.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200304171223.51905.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Thursday 17 April 2003 06:53 am, Jim Crumley wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendation for laptops to use with > Linux? > > Some of my considerations are as follows: > Harware that can be made to work with Linux is essential. If > it has a software modem that won't work it's not the end of > the world, but still a minus. > Weight doesn't really bother me. > Sturdy is a plus - I have been known to drop things. > Large screen size would be nice - probably 15 inches. > Linux pre-installed would be great. No OS is ok. I'd really > like to avoid the Windows tax. > A well respected brand would be nice. As would something > local. > I prefer trackpoints to trackpads, but as far as I can tell IBM > forces you to choose one type of Windows or another. > > Has anyone gotten a laptop from any of the smaller Linux > specialist dealers online? In particular, Los Alamos Computers > http://www.laclinux.com/ has caught my eye. I prefer Thinkpads, too. I have had the best success with them over the years. I have dropped them, had them fall off of my bicycle at 16-17 mph and they have always "just worked." I currently have 20 of them deployed in the field (unfortunately all W2K) and have had only one with a problem--its HD died. IBM overnited a replacement drive, I restored from CDs, imported the certificates and back in business... I haven't had a chance to install Linux on any of them yet (I need to take the spare home...), but I just got rid of an i series that was running Linux very nicely. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 20:05:44 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11 internet access In-Reply-To: <1050697998.31137.35.camel@lotsa> References: <1050697998.31137.35.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <200304182005.44997@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 April 2003 03:33 pm, Tom Penney wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know where I can find a list of places that offer wireless > internet access to patrons. I just got an 802.11b network set up at my > house. very cool. I do a lot of lunch meetings around town and internet > access would be very helpful. > > I see Old Chicago Restaurants have wireless internet access free for > customers. Does anyone know of other places that do this? > > I read a while ago that Starbucks and McDonald's where talking about > putting in wireless internet for customers. Any in Minneapolis? > > Tom I believe there is a list at http://www.tcwug.org. Rick? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Thu Apr 17 13:24:08 2003 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smbmount and XP problems In-Reply-To: <3E9EC6E7.5020600@cleosci.com> Message-ID: It finally works!!!!!!! It was a permissions problem. Check and recheck... Thank you for all of your help! Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Thu Apr 17 10:55:05 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61861@IPSERVER2> I wasn't implying it doesn't scale, rather you aren't going to see a bank using it any time soon. Modest was too all encompassing. I meant if you don't need rock solid data integrity, and the niceties of the commmercial offerings. -----Original Message----- From: David Phillips [mailto:david@acz.org] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 10:33 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com writes: > It seems to me MySQL really shines as a dbms to backend your website > if you have very modest needs I think you sell MySQL a bit short here. MySQL is used on high volume websites precisely because it can handle the load. For example, directNIC, the 9th largest registrar (perhaps higher), uses MySQL for everything. They get a huge amount of traffic. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Apr 18 12:11:19 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi OT: Freelance consulting question In-Reply-To: ; from HoffossJ@facm.umn.edu on Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 11:29:50AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030418121118.E3770@thinkunix.net> http://www.payscale.com/ ? John Hoffoss wrote: > Is there a website that provides a good scale > of what to charge based on the work that anyone uses to pick their > rates? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 17 10:59:32 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop recommendations In-Reply-To: <20030417065319.A9849@ham.space.umn.edu> References: <20030417065319.A9849@ham.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1050595172.19892.2604.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 06:53, Jim Crumley wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendation for laptops to use with > Linux? I sometimes hate to say it, but take a look at Dell. Their Inspiron line is usually fairly reasonably priced, and they offer a lot of what you're looking for. They can be pretty heavy, but you usually get both a trackpad and a trackpoint. They also offer some of the highest-resolution displays you can get on a laptop. It's been possible to get their modems working in the past, though I don't know what things are like these days. You may want to pick your video card carefully. As I recall, the nVidia cards tend to get unhappy when the system tries to sleep (and it's impossible to fix, since nVidia loves binary drivers), so I've always seen it best to get an ATI card, but I don't know if that's true these days. There's always the fallback option of using VESA drivers, but they're slow (not too bad when your processor speed is in the gigahertz, but still slow). I had to do that for a few months while the XFree86 folks built in support for the card I had (an ATI one). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux Geeks: Smart. Single. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Sexy. Well, 2 out of 3 \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) ain't bad. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030417/5da44b02/attachment.pgp From david at acz.org Wed Apr 16 23:16:18 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle References: <20030416223820.GY18770@real-time.com> <00a301c3048c$d5263790$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1592.192.1.1.15.1050550935.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <00f701c30498$18362e90$0201a8c0@brinstar> waynej@dccmn.com writes: > One more difference between MySQL and Postgres. Postgres supports > record locks. My preference for Web apps is Postgres. With INSERT IGNORE, you rarely need locking. And if you do, you can usually simulate fine grained locking using GET_LOCK() and RELEASE_LOCK(). -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Apr 17 07:06:09 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop recommendations References: <20030417065319.A9849@ham.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3E9E98B1.5070901@structural-wood.com> I love my IBM R31 thinkpad - I did have to pay the Windows tax. All the built in stuff works (or should work, I haven't tested everything). It's not any sort of a high end machine but the cost is right (about $950 with built in 802.11b and DVD) and it is more than fast enough for web surfing, writing software, and as a remote terminal for my main machine. Jim Crumley wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendation for laptops to use with > Linux? > > Some of my considerations are as follows: > Harware that can be made to work with Linux is essential. If > it has a software modem that won't work it's not the end of > the world, but still a minus. > Weight doesn't really bother me. > Sturdy is a plus - I have been known to drop things. > Large screen size would be nice - probably 15 inches. > Linux pre-installed would be great. No OS is ok. I'd really > like to avoid the Windows tax. > A well respected brand would be nice. As would something > local. > I prefer trackpoints to trackpads, but as far as I can tell IBM > forces you to choose one type of Windows or another. > > Has anyone gotten a laptop from any of the smaller Linux > specialist dealers online? In particular, Los Alamos Computers > http://www.laclinux.com/ has caught my eye. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Apr 18 09:50:14 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <000001c305b9$2f059710$16a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> References: <000001c305b9$2f059710$16a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Message-ID: <3EA010A6.7030708@andersonfam.org> I currently have my DSL line from Qwest (not by choice) and internet service from Visi.com. I would highly recommend this combination. I have several linux boxes sitting on my LAN, and I've had no problems at all. When you subscribe, chances are that you'll get an Actiontec DSL modem. This is basically a DSL->Ethernet NAT box. So as long as your devices support DHCP and ethernet, you should have no problems. Feel free to contact me if you have any more questions. -Erik Anderson cxobert wrote: > If this question has already been covered I apologize, but I get errors > every time I try to search the archives. > > I want to switch to DSL service, but Qwest here in the Twin Cities only > 'officially' supports Windows. Does anyone have feedback on DSL and/or > ISP that they would recommend, or anything I need to be aware of? > > Thanks in advance for any information you can give me. > > Cheers, > > Charlie Obert > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cxobert at goldengate.net Fri Apr 18 09:45:29 2003 From: cxobert at goldengate.net (cxobert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <3E9F8D91.5050008@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <000001c305b9$2f059710$16a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> If this question has already been covered I apologize, but I get errors every time I try to search the archives. I want to switch to DSL service, but Qwest here in the Twin Cities only 'officially' supports Windows. Does anyone have feedback on DSL and/or ISP that they would recommend, or anything I need to be aware of? Thanks in advance for any information you can give me. Cheers, Charlie Obert _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Apr 18 12:14:32 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi OT: Freelance consulting question References: Message-ID: <3EA03278.806@cleosci.com> Knowing what to charge is, as one other person said, partly a matter of your skill level. As I also discovered back in my "early days" of consulting, it's a matter of marketing -- or shoud I say -- of understanding what the market will bear. At first, I was doing some work for acquaintances and their friends. I charged $25 per hour (this was the early '90's). I began to read more on the process of marketing one's self, and I also began to observe what companies charged. That's when I realized I needed to up my rate. Part of the issue, yes, is being able to back up your rate with work skill, but it's also important to not underprice as this will lead potential customers to believe there's something wrong with you since you're so cheap compared to other places. I think a good place to start is: a) what do CompUSA and Best Buy charge for their tech. services? b) what do places like TekSystems, TAJ, and RHI charge when they send consultants out on jobs, and c) how valuable do you feel you are (low, middle, high) in terms of your skill level vs. how competative do you wish to be in relation to the afore mentioned companies. Garrett John Hoffoss wrote: >I know this is a pretty vague question, but is on the topic. I'm curious >to know how to determine what your rates should be for contracting. I >guess it depends more on the nature of the job and experience required >to complete it, but as someone who has only done small jobs for > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Thu Apr 17 09:07:57 2003 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop recommendations In-Reply-To: <20030417065319.A9849@ham.space.umn.edu> References: <20030417065319.A9849@ham.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3E9EB53D.3020209@visi.com> The other day I was looking at the inventory of laptops I've accumulated over the years and the ones that stand out are the ThinkPads. I have a couple of Dell Inspirons which have both been in for service multiple times even though they're only 18 month old, an HP 800-CT (great travel machine), and a couple of older Thinkpads. The Thinkpads just keep on going and both have stood up to multiple sessions with my 3 year-old neice (she managed to mangle the Inspiron in one sitting) and getting banged around during travel. The Dells took very little tweaking using Redhat (one is 7.3 and the other is 8.0). If you use a Lucent wireless card they work as installed. The last time I had Linux on the Thinkpads was 6.x and they worked fine. The 365XD had some minor initialization issues with XFree (the first time it ran after power up it had to be started, stopped and restarted to properly set up the screen). The Dells come with both a trackpad and stick mouse. I always prefered the stick mouse on the Thinkpads but I find myself using the trackpad exclusively on the Dells. Part of that is that the stick mouse on the Dells tend to be less refined than the IBMs - they're stiffer and seem less accurate. If I was buying a new laptop it would be an IBM ... unless it was a PowerBook :-) BTW, Linux Journal has been running a series on using Linux on a laptop, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6684 that might be useful. --rick Jim Crumley wrote: >Does anyone have any recommendation for laptops to use with >Linux? > >Some of my considerations are as follows: > Harware that can be made to work with Linux is essential. If > it has a software modem that won't work it's not the end of > the world, but still a minus. > Weight doesn't really bother me. > Sturdy is a plus - I have been known to drop things. > Large screen size would be nice - probably 15 inches. > Linux pre-installed would be great. No OS is ok. I'd really > like to avoid the Windows tax. > A well respected brand would be nice. As would something > local. > I prefer trackpoints to trackpads, but as far as I can tell IBM > forces you to choose one type of Windows or another. > >Has anyone gotten a laptop from any of the smaller Linux >specialist dealers online? In particular, Los Alamos Computers >http://www.laclinux.com/ has caught my eye. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Apr 18 12:25:20 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> Message-ID: Qwest DSL will work fine with Linux, provided you go with the external DSL router (nowadays, an ActionTec rather than a Cisco). The internal DSL modems would require Linux driver support, which I very much doubt is there (they were using Intel 2200's last I checked). The rental of the ActionTec is a few bucks/month, or you can buy it outright for about $150. Your Linux machine only needs a NIC, and no special drivers. The ActionTec handles the PPP. Static/dynamic IP is irrelevant - the ActionTec does NAT out of the box. It also has port forwarding capabilities like the Cisco's did, so you could forward inbound connections back to your Linux box. "Official" linux support really isn't an issue anyways - as long as you are capable of setting up your TCP/IP, there's nothing else that needs to be done - all of the DSL configuration is done in the ActionTec. These ActionTec's are still relatively new for us - Qwest only started using them a few months ago after dropping the Cisco 600 series altogether. My feelings about these are mixed - they do work, but I've gotten the impression that they are real hit or miss - if you get a good one, it should be relatively solid, if you get a bad one, might as well get it replaced (modem rental == good in this case). They at least don't have the overheating problem the 675's did. I wouldn't even bother with Qwest/MSN - I would go to Qwest's consumer DSL site and find the list of Qwest DSL ISP's, and pick one. Or ask around on the list for opinions. I know there are many Real-Time, Sihope, and VISI customers on the list, so opinions should be plentiful. Adam Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, B_o_B wrote: > Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 11:25:22 AM Central Standard Time > > c> I want to switch to DSL service, but Qwest here in the Twin Cities only > c> 'officially' supports Windows. Does anyone have feedback on DSL > > Hi. I lived in Los Angeles up until this past February, and had DSL > service for a few years their. I currently have RR here in MN. I had > the same issue with my ISP. They only supported Windows Sucks, and > MAC's. I found that a little funny, cause I noticed most of their > services were running on UNIX type equipment. That did not stop me > from getting it working on Linux however. > > I'm not sure about the DSL service here, but my old DSL service used > PPPoE to make the connection (with a dynamic IP). After some time I > paid a little extra, and was issued a static IP. With a static IP > there is no drama...Config your box with the IP info (name server, > etc..) they give you, > and plug in the modem (provided it is connected to your computer via a > ethernet NIC). I have no experience with any other types of DSL > modems (USB, or using some other goofy connection). In my opinion, > all the modems they hand out that are not connected via a ethernet NIC > are junk... Just my opinion.... > > With the PPPoE connection (dhcp issued IP), I scored a cool little set-of scripts to > use (made life real easy) to connect & disconnect the DSL modem via > PPPoE. > You can download the PPPoE linux stuff here: > ftp://b-o-b.homelinux.com/pppoe-1.310.000.zip > > There are some instruction in their....Read the docs first before you > setup anything. > > If your DSL service does not use PPPoE or they are cool & issue you a > static IP, disregard this entire message. > > Also, here is some more details regarding DSL & Linux > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/DSL-HOWTO.html > > One last thing, I still have the DSL modem (SpeedStream 5260 - ethernet ADSL > modem), a couple phone jack adapters, and a hand full of tele filters. > I would be willing to trade this for a small hand full of old school 72 > pin mem chips (edo) (ideally 6 x 32 Meggers), for a Pent pro box I am currently building. If you > are interested, or anyone else out their interested, e-mail me directly, > and we can set-up a trade. > > Rock-On & Take Care, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 17 07:53:59 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Web poll admin In-Reply-To: <200304162256.08177.tanner@real-time.com> References: <20030416175206.GA3606@fandre.com> <20030417024919.GB31707@fandre.com> <200304162256.08177.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030417125359.GD31707@fandre.com> On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Wednesday 16 April 2003 09:49 pm, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Thank you for playing "Who wants to be the TCLUG Poll admin". > > After a long deliberation, the judges have decided to award Brian with > > the honor of maintaining the TCLUG web poll. He barely edged out > > Justin by only 3000 points. Although Bob had some great ideas, he only > > came up with 3 ideas, so he was disqualified from the competition. > > Doh! > > I ran out of time at work, and just quickly sent it! > > Where do I file a protest! > > :-P Send all requests to devnull@fandre.com. Seriously, if you really want to help out, email Brian. I'm sure he's a big boy and will share. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Thu Apr 17 07:59:18 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61854@IPSERVER2> Does MySQL have stored procs and sub queries yet? Row level locking? Last time I looked it didn't. Postgres was miles ahead of it before as far as features and atomicity which Phil G writes a fair amount about. -----Original Message----- From: David Phillips [mailto:david@acz.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 9:56 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle > We have an oracle database which I'd like to move to an open-source > database. Based on talking with the DBA, we have less than 100 Oracle > pl/sql packages. Which database would be easiest to migrate to? Are > there migration utilities to make this easier? It depends on your needs. The most commonly used open source databases are MySQL and PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL has more features. Whether or not you need them is a different story. MySQL has better documentation (in my opinion) and is easier to use. MySQL is probably faster than PostgreSQL for most uses. It also has transactional tables, if you need them. It can run 24/7 without needing maintenance like PostgreSQL. MySQL is developed in-house by a company, where as PostgreSQL is developed in the more traditional open source way. The code base for PostgreSQL was inherited from a university project. I am inclined to think that this makes MySQL more apt to be stable. There is also Firebird, an open source database based on Borland's InterBase. This probably isn't your situation, but if you need a very small, fast and light embeddable database, check out SQLite. The code is amazing. The entire database is kept in one file and it locks the entire file during updates, so multiuser performance would not be great. But for single user use, it can be much faster than MySQL and PostgreSQL. It is public domain. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kiler0n at ags-us.com Fri Apr 18 09:57:01 2003 From: kiler0n at ags-us.com (kiler0n@ags-us.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux Message-ID: I currently have RoadRunner and have Linux boxes on my LAN. No problems here. |---------+-----------------------------> | | "cxobert" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | tclug-list-admin@m| | | n-linux.org | | | | | | | | | 04/18/2003 09:45 | | | AM | | | Please respond to | | | tclug-list | | | | |---------+-----------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: | | cc: | | Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| If this question has already been covered I apologize, but I get errors every time I try to search the archives. I want to switch to DSL service, but Qwest here in the Twin Cities only 'officially' supports Windows. Does anyone have feedback on DSL and/or ISP that they would recommend, or anything I need to be aware of? Thanks in advance for any information you can give me. Cheers, Charlie Obert _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Apr 17 11:25:36 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop recommendations Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF0B@mail.temgweb.com> I've never liked Dell laptops. They seem clunky, and my new c610 that I got from work has 384M of ram and a P4 1.7ghz, and it's still dog slow. I'm pretty sure it's because Dell puts abysmally slow hard drives in their laptops. Linux is kind of a pain to get working correctly on almost all of the Dell's I've put it on. Still not completely working right on my current one, can't get it to work right when docking and undocking. Sony... Nice, but if you drop them once, they are history. I lost 3 of them this way, and they just fell off my lap, so they didn't go far. Linux was annoying to install because the ones I had shared memory between video and sound. The HP Omnibook 600 is a sweet little thin notebook. Feels sturdy, and is very nicely designed. Except I'm not sure if they make it anymore. My roomie had linux on his, I didn't hear him complain. I really like some of the new toshiba notebooks, although some of them try to look like an Aiwa stereo or a Pontiac. Some of their smaller ones are very nice though. They seem study, and most models look nice. Linux played nicely with the old ones, not sure about the new ones. If I was going to buy a new laptop, I'd probably just get the new 12" PowerBook. It has every feature under the sun, runs a Unix variant, and just makes me happy in general. You can run linux on it also if you really decide you need to. However, I haven't found a reason to with my iBook, all of my linux apps compile just fine on it. Figure out what you might want, and then check it out on the linux laptops database. http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:00 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop recommendations > > > On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 06:53, Jim Crumley wrote: > > Does anyone have any recommendation for laptops to use with > > Linux? > > I sometimes hate to say it, but take a look at Dell. Their Inspiron > line is usually fairly reasonably priced, and they offer a lot of what > you're looking for. They can be pretty heavy, but you > usually get both > a trackpad and a trackpoint. They also offer some of the > highest-resolution displays you can get on a laptop. It's > been possible > to get their modems working in the past, though I don't know > what things > are like these days. > > You may want to pick your video card carefully. As I recall, > the nVidia > cards tend to get unhappy when the system tries to sleep (and it's > impossible to fix, since nVidia loves binary drivers), so I've always > seen it best to get an ATI card, but I don't know if that's true these > days. There's always the fallback option of using VESA drivers, but > they're slow (not too bad when your processor speed is in the > gigahertz, > but still slow). I had to do that for a few months while the XFree86 > folks built in support for the card I had (an ATI one). > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux Geeks: > Smart. Single. > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Sexy. Well, 2 out of 3 > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) ain't bad. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 12:11:49 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <000001c305b9$2f059710$16a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> References: <3E9F8D91.5050008@cleosci.com> <000001c305b9$2f059710$16a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Message-ID: <16032.12757.53314.808574@tsathoggua.mydomain> cxobert writes: > If this question has already been covered I apologize, but I get errors > every time I try to search the archives. > > I want to switch to DSL service, but Qwest here in the Twin Cities only > 'officially' supports Windows. Does anyone have feedback on DSL and/or > ISP that they would recommend, or anything I need to be aware of? I have DSL from Qwest (yuck) and ISP from Real-Time Enterprises (yay!). Obviously, RTE give excellent user support to anyone trying to bring up DSL with Linux! In fact, when I moved, I went through some excruciating pain with Qworst to keep DSL (instead of moving to cable, which would have been easier at my new house), just because that meant I could keep RTE as my ISP. r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 17 06:53:19 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop recommendations Message-ID: <20030417065319.A9849@ham.space.umn.edu> Does anyone have any recommendation for laptops to use with Linux? Some of my considerations are as follows: Harware that can be made to work with Linux is essential. If it has a software modem that won't work it's not the end of the world, but still a minus. Weight doesn't really bother me. Sturdy is a plus - I have been known to drop things. Large screen size would be nice - probably 15 inches. Linux pre-installed would be great. No OS is ok. I'd really like to avoid the Windows tax. A well respected brand would be nice. As would something local. I prefer trackpoints to trackpads, but as far as I can tell IBM forces you to choose one type of Windows or another. Has anyone gotten a laptop from any of the smaller Linux specialist dealers online? In particular, Los Alamos Computers http://www.laclinux.com/ has caught my eye. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Apr 16 21:49:19 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Web poll admin In-Reply-To: References: <20030416175206.GA3606@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030417024919.GB31707@fandre.com> Thank you for playing "Who wants to be the TCLUG Poll admin". After a long deliberation, the judges have decided to award Brian with the honor of maintaining the TCLUG web poll. He barely edged out Justin by only 3000 points. Although Bob had some great ideas, he only came up with 3 ideas, so he was disqualified from the competition. Now go and vote... http://www.mn-linux.org On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Brian wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > And since there might be more than one person interested, let's turn > > this into a contest. The one that responds with the 5 best polls wins. > > 1. My most frivolous use of IPv6 > 2. My refridgerator runs linux because > 2. The number that comes after 2 should be > 4. Most useful new feature of kernel 2.6 > 5. When people mention the 'other OS', I think they're talking about > > -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 11:44:20 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi OT: Freelance consulting question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, John Hoffoss wrote: > I know this is a pretty vague question, but is on the topic. I'm > curious to know how to determine what your rates should be for > contracting. I guess it depends more on the nature of the job and > experience required to complete it, but as someone who has only done > small jobs for acquaintances (often for no more than beer and a > dinner) I have no idea where rates would start. Is there a website > that provides a good scale of what to charge based on the work that > anyone uses to pick their rates? Note that I haven't actually done private consulting personally; but quite a few of my friends have, so take what I say with a grain of salt. :) You need to make sure that your rates reflect your abilities (IE, if you're a fairly experienced admin who can get stuff done quick, your rates could be quite a bit higher than someone who does Linux "on the side" and can stumble through it), and your rates also need to be low enough that they can't go hire a consulting company for the same price. Also depends on the size of the company hiring you, and the length of the job. (From what I've heard, long-term gigs usually pay better, and larger companies usually pay better.) For individual consultants, I usually see rates of $40-$80/hr, depending on skill level and the type of job. This is assuming short-term contract, of course. Of course, if you're a Cisco guru doing complex router configurations for a large company, $250/hr may be more like it.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Apr 17 09:34:08 2003 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] roaming between 802.11b networks In-Reply-To: <1050554357.25386.2589.camel@3po.thodt.net> References: <200304161203.45669.list@slushpupie.com> <1050554357.25386.2589.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <200304170934.08858.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Wednesday 16 April 2003 11:39 pm, Mike Hicks wrote: > On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 12:03, Jay Kline wrote: > > Im sure I cant be the only person who goes between several 802.11b > > networks, each with its own set of essid's and keys. Windows has the > > ability to detect which network is availible, and use the keys you have > > stored for it. However, I could not find the equivelant for linux. Does > > anyone know of such a tool? I wrote my own script for dhcpd that seems to > > work for me, but it is not very flexable, and I was hoping there would be > > a more robust solution out there. Any thoughts? > > No thoughts yet. I was hoping to find something similar that would also > handle wired ports. I've set up an expect script on my laptop that > automatically runs ifup/ifdown when a cable is plugged in or removed. > It'd be great to have something that would fall back to wireless when > wired connections go away and vice-versa. I was thinking of trying to > mangle something together myself, but I need to get some new hardware > first. I know that Mandrake comes with something called ifplugd that monitors if you plug in a network cable or somesuch and trys to get an address if you do. More info can be found here. Looks like this is exactly what you are looking for: http://www.stud.uni-hamburg.de/users/lennart/projects/ifplugd/ -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Apr 17 15:22:18 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi OT: Freelance consulting question Message-ID: <3E9F0CFA.8000503@andersonfam.org> So I have just gotten asked to do my first freelance consulting gig. I'll be setting up an Apache/Tomcat environment for a company, but that's beside the point. I figure that there are at least a few people on the list that have done private consulting before, and I'd like to ask for advice, as I'm pretty ignorant to the whole process. I know that they'll just cut me a check, and I'll have to declare that income on next year's tax return. Do I need to write up a contract beforehand? Is there any legalities that I need to be careful of? Should I get a partial payment before starting? etc., etc., etc. There's a thousand more questions I could ask, but I guess I'll start with these. Thanks in advance! -Erik Anderson _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 22:57:00 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl guru help: Maildir -> Mailman In-Reply-To: <20030417034221.GA6630@refried.org> References: <20030416224405.H3687@real-time.com> <20030417034221.GA6630@refried.org> Message-ID: <200304162257.00872.tanner@real-time.com> On Wednesday 16 April 2003 10:42 pm, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 10:44:05PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I think I have fixed the tclug-* and tcwug-* mailing list archives. > > > > What I need now is a program (perl? python?) that will scan a Maildir > > folder, getting all messages To: tclug-[list|devel|announce|jobs] and > > send a copy to tclug-[list|devel|announce|jobs]@archives.real-time.com, > > so I can get the archives up to date. > > How about just using the bounce feature in mutt? You could just tag > them all and bounce them. The keystrokes would be something like this: > > T tclug-list > ;b tclug-list@archives.reat-time.com Ahh! I love tclug-list! > Now, I'm assuming by Maildir you mean a Qmail style maildir. Not a > directory with many mbox files in it. Yeah, Qmail Maildir, let me give that a try! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Apr 17 09:08:47 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Web poll admin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304170908.47849.list@slushpupie.com> On Thursday 17 April 2003 9:00 am, Brian wrote: > On a serious note, if you have any poll ideas let me know. I want to keep > the poll updated, but inevitably I'll run out of poll ideas. Perhaps a link on the poll page to submit ideas? Because 3 months down the road I will likely forget who to send them to. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Apr 18 14:30:03 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have gotten this to work, albeit with a lot of messing around. I don't handle the DSL stuff directly anymore, so I don't know exactly what happens. If you're interested I can ask Justin to shoot you the config that we found that works for this. A "real cisco" - what are you recommending to those folks? Just buying a 678 off of Ebay, or jumping up into the $1500+ range for a modular router with a DSL WIC? Or is there another low-end cisco series that will do it? > We've heard from a bunch of clients that they just plain don't do static > routing in the version that Qwest ships. > > That's a big problem if you're buying a subnet.. in that case, best bet is > to buy one of the real Cisco routers. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Apr 17 10:32:36 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6185C@IPSERVER2> Message-ID: <006301c304f6$92980c90$0201a8c0@brinstar> RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com writes: > It seems to me MySQL really shines as a dbms to backend your website > if you have very modest needs I think you sell MySQL a bit short here. MySQL is used on high volume websites precisely because it can handle the load. For example, directNIC, the 9th largest registrar (perhaps higher), uses MySQL for everything. They get a huge amount of traffic. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Apr 16 22:42:21 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl guru help: Maildir -> Mailman In-Reply-To: <20030416224405.H3687@real-time.com> References: <20030416224405.H3687@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030417034221.GA6630@refried.org> On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 10:44:05PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I think I have fixed the tclug-* and tcwug-* mailing list archives. > > What I need now is a program (perl? python?) that will scan a Maildir folder, > getting all messages To: tclug-[list|devel|announce|jobs] and send a copy to > tclug-[list|devel|announce|jobs]@archives.real-time.com, so I can get the > archives up to date. How about just using the bounce feature in mutt? You could just tag them all and bounce them. The keystrokes would be something like this: T tclug-list ;b tclug-list@archives.reat-time.com Now, I'm assuming by Maildir you mean a Qmail style maildir. Not a directory with many mbox files in it. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 16 23:39:17 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] roaming between 802.11b networks In-Reply-To: <200304161203.45669.list@slushpupie.com> References: <200304161203.45669.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <1050554357.25386.2589.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 12:03, Jay Kline wrote: > Im sure I cant be the only person who goes between several 802.11b networks, > each with its own set of essid's and keys. Windows has the ability to detect > which network is availible, and use the keys you have stored for it. > However, I could not find the equivelant for linux. Does anyone know of such > a tool? I wrote my own script for dhcpd that seems to work for me, but it is > not very flexable, and I was hoping there would be a more robust solution out > there. Any thoughts? No thoughts yet. I was hoping to find something similar that would also handle wired ports. I've set up an expect script on my laptop that automatically runs ifup/ifdown when a cable is plugged in or removed. It'd be great to have something that would fall back to wireless when wired connections go away and vice-versa. I was thinking of trying to mangle something together myself, but I need to get some new hardware first. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Smoking cures weight / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ problems...eventually... \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gotta do tclug-[list|announce|jobs|devel] and tcwug-[announce|list] -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 21:50:56 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-Burning Question In-Reply-To: References: <20030416171043.29bddd70.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030416215056.6f2d8722.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:45:46 -0500 (CDT) Gerry wrote: > This is way possible, but I've never been able to figure out why > someone would want to do this. > > If you want a CD burned, eventually you will have to walk over to the > burner machine anyway. Why not just have a shared workstation that a > user can go to and burn their CD? > Thanks for all the tips on it everyone, I think I'll look into the various web interfaces and see what will work best. The reason why I want to do it this way is: 1) There's only one burner 2) The system that it's connected to is on a KVM switch which is connected to my desktop and about 7 other machines 3) I would rather not have to devote a machine to being a CD writer only when I have better uses for it. The writer will only be used maybe once a week. 4) I'm a cheap bastard, and want to save money 5) Keeps people physically off my system and finally.... 6) The more I dummy-proof it, and make it a simple "click here to create your CD" button the less chance there is that someone will mess it up. Particularly for those who are not technical. If it's a cgi/php script that's fine. I'm not worried about someone internally hacking the system. If it was on an untrusted network, it'd be a different story. As to having to go to the machine and put a CD in, true. But the plan is to always have a blank CD in, and when you go to take the burned one out replace it with a new one. There won't be a lot of users, under 5 typically. For this scenario, it seems to be the best way. They won't have command line access, and if it's a web script it's accessable by all who need it without having to install an X-server. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kiler0n at ags-us.com Fri Apr 18 22:13:27 2003 From: kiler0n at ags-us.com (kiler0n@ags-us.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11 internet access Message-ID: I stand corrected. Gerry is correct, no Linux software, the app is M$. What was I thinking!? :) Sorry. >>> Don't believe it. There's no software there. There's some M$ Stuff, but no linux stuff. They do have a list of locations, though. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 kiler0n@ags-us.com wrote: > This has been a fairly decent site. > > http://www.boingo.com > > They also have a wi-fi sniffer app you can download. It seems to work with _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030418/8a3cbf66/attachment.html From kiler0n at ags-us.com Fri Apr 18 22:17:38 2003 From: kiler0n at ags-us.com (kiler0n@ags-us.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux Message-ID: It is possible that those who purchased my 675s didn't know that they wouldn't be able to use them with Qwest. However, there are providers other than Qwest throughout the nation that may still use the 675s. 3 of the people I sold them to lived out in WA area. >>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 kiler0n@ags-us.com wrote: > ...believe it or not 675s as well. I sold 5 on Ebay early this year :) > Got about $20 for each of them. ...which would be great, except the 675 is useless for new Qwest DSL terminations. They only seem to do DMT installs now, which the 675 can't talk. I've got two 675's, which didn't do me a whit of good when I got my DSL circuit reprovisioned. I ended up eBaying a 678, which has worked seamlessly. On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 Nate Carlson wrote: > We've heard from a bunch of clients that they just plain don't do static > routing in the version that Qwest ships. Really? Who told you that? Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030418/a8a0a114/attachment.htm From david at acz.org Fri Apr 18 22:34:16 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> waynej@dccmn.com writes: > I have a friend who wants to set up an e-mail server. We wants to be > able to accept e-mail from outlook, etc. via SMTP from his customers. > In otherwords, he needs to support relaying from other machines on the > internet... I recommend using POP-before-SMTP. It is a simpler, cleaner solution that works with more clients. > Anyone know how to set this up with sendmail? Don't use sendmail. Ever. It is a buggy and insecure. I recommend using qmail. It is a much better MTA. It is faster; reliable; more modular; more UNIX-like; easier to setup and configure; and most of all, secure: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/guarantee.html There is an excellent guide available for installing and configuring qmail: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/ Once you understand how qmail works, you can setup a server very quickly using qmail-conf: http://www.din.or.jp/~ushijima/qmail-conf.html You can easily do POP-before-SMTP with relay-ctrl: http://untroubled.org/relay-ctrl/ Note that due to qmail's modular design, no changes to qmail are required. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 23:50:00 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <200304182350.00330@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 April 2003 08:28 pm, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > Outlook, etc appears to support authentication on mail connections. > Anyone know how to set this up with sendmail? Is this what sasl is used > for? Exim will allow you to do smtp authentication (so will any modern MTA). http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.00/doc/html/spec_32.html A quick summary, is the MUA (mail client like Outlook) will authentica with the MTA (mail server like exim) using (for instance) username/password. If authentication is sucessful, the MTA will relay the mail. So, this allows unknown IP address -with- proper authentication to relay email to then Internet at large. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From leaf at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 20:30:56 2003 From: leaf at real-time.com (Rick Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11 internet access In-Reply-To: <200304182005.44997@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: Not exactly.. There's a short list of airports that do and do not have wireless access. At this time, nothing on local cafes and other establishments that offer wireless access in some form. I'll post what people add or suggest though. On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Friday 18 April 2003 03:33 pm, Tom Penney wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Does anyone know where I can find a list of places that offer wireless > > internet access to patrons. I just got an 802.11b network set up at my > > house. very cool. I do a lot of lunch meetings around town and internet > > access would be very helpful. > > > > I see Old Chicago Restaurants have wireless internet access free for > > customers. Does anyone know of other places that do this? > > > > I read a while ago that Starbucks and McDonald's where talking about > > putting in wireless internet for customers. Any in Minneapolis? > > > > Tom > > I believe there is a list at http://www.tcwug.org. > > Rick? > > -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Apr 19 00:21:04 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3943.192.1.1.15.1050729664.squirrel@dccmn.com> > I recommend using POP-before-SMTP. It is a simpler, cleaner solution > that works with more clients. So how do I convince outlook to send it's outgoing mail through POP? I thought POP3 just delivered mail? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 01:13:44 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Sniffer Detection In-Reply-To: <32823.192.168.2.249.1050477347.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <32823.192.168.2.249.1050477347.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <200304190113.44490@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 16 April 2003 02:15 am, Mark Courtney wrote: > Is there any way to detect if ports are being probed/sniffed? I've seen > programs like Snort, etc. Does anyone have any opionions about intrusion > detection systems? Yes. Snort + ACID, tripwire, swatch, logwatcher, iptables, a big lart. > Are they effective? They are a good part of your toolkit. > Are there other ways to manually detect intrusion? Umm, sure, busted window, broken lock. :-P Unless they intruder does something to catch your attention, you'll never know. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 01:19:50 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <000f01c30637$a82e9960$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3943.192.1.1.15.1050729664.squirrel@dccmn.com> <000f01c30637$a82e9960$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <200304190119.50865@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Saturday 19 April 2003 12:51 am, David Phillips wrote: > waynej@dccmn.com writes: > > So how do I convince outlook to send it's outgoing mail through POP? > > I thought POP3 just delivered mail? > > POP-before-SMTP is an authentication mechanism. After an IP address > successfully authenticates using POP3, it is allowed to relay mail for a > short time afterwards. I've always viewed this as a work-around. I believe at one time the sendmail macros where even in the hack group. Most people create unix accounts so pop can authenticate, which I think isn't necessary, better to push the authentication off to smtp authentication imho. Which most modern MTAs this simple to setup too. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Apr 19 01:47:42 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <200304181958.21135@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <000001c305b9$2f059710$16a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> <200304181958.21135@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030419064742.GU1262@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 07:58:21PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Have to do a cheap plug here. > > Real Time is a smaller ISP in the Twin Cities and we not only support linux, > we actively promote it. > > http://www.real-time.com/ > http://www.linuxjustworks.com/ > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 Don't believe Bob, I've seen the Windows NT server under his desk! =P -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Apr 19 02:01:17 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 10:34:16PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Don't use sendmail. Ever. It is a buggy and insecure. I recommend using > qmail. It is a much better MTA. It is faster; reliable; more modular; more > UNIX-like; easier to setup and configure; and most of all, secure: > I heard that qmail is buggy, insecure, un-unix-like, hard to setup and configure, and a complete bitch to do anything with. But then, I just pulled that out of my ass like you did. If you can't figure something as simple as sendmail's m4 processing out, then perhaps you should install webmin for a pretty point and click interface. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 02:43:08 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3943.192.1.1.15.1050729664.squirrel@dccmn.com> <000f01c30637$a82e9960$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200304190119.50865@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <001d01c30647$52451690$0201a8c0@brinstar> Bob Tanner writes: > I've always viewed this as a work-around. I believe at one time the > sendmail macros where even in the hack group. It is a hack, but it works better than SMTP AUTH in most cases. SMTP AUTH is relatively new, thus not all SMTP clients support it. With POP-before-SMTP, my customers simply setup their mail client to check their mail and sending automatically works with no extra configuration. SMTP AUTH is something extra to configure (assuming their mail client even supports it). > Most people create unix accounts so pop can authenticate, which I > think isn't necessary, better to push the authentication off to smtp > authentication imho. That makes absolutely no sense. You already need to authenticate POP3, otherwise everyone could pop your mail. Now, in the exceedingly rare circumstance that you are providing only outgoing mail service to clients that could be anywhere on the internet, yes, SMTP AUTH would make sense. But I can't think of a single example where that would be the case. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 02:44:44 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:35:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > I heard that qmail is buggy, insecure, un-unix-like, hard to setup > and configure, > and a complete bitch to do anything with. But then, I just pulled > that out of > my ass like you did. Yeah, I was just making up all of these security holes: http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/sendmail.html Not to mention all the ones found since then, including the two found this year (and it's not even May!). qmail is secure. If it's not, prove it and claim your $500. Which more closely follows the UNIX tradition? A single, monolithic daemon that does everything as root; or separate programs, each running with the credentials they need, that do a single, well defined task? -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Fri Apr 18 11:29:50 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi OT: Freelance consulting question Message-ID: I know this is a pretty vague question, but is on the topic. I'm curious to know how to determine what your rates should be for contracting. I guess it depends more on the nature of the job and experience required to complete it, but as someone who has only done small jobs for acquaintances (often for no more than beer and a dinner) I have no idea where rates would start. Is there a website that provides a good scale of what to charge based on the work that anyone uses to pick their rates? Thanks, John >>> gkrueger@cleosci.com 04/18/03 12:30AM >>> I've been consulting for the past 12 years myself, and I usually just go to the company being sure they have a clear picture of my hourly rate. I do the job, leave, and send them a bill. I've found companies very willing to pay because they know that the IT community is a "small world," and if they want service again, they don't mess with the consultants. The only times I've found contracts necessary were when a) you draw up retainers (agreements to provide some amount of service over a certain period of time or to be "on call" with them), or b) when you do work for the government, but the government's easy since they usually present you with a contract that you read and sign (or read and walk away). Erik Anderson wrote: > So I have just gotten asked to do my first freelance consulting gig. > I'll be setting up an Apache/Tomcat environment for a company, but > that's beside the point. > > I figure that there are at least a few people on the list that have > done private consulting before, and I'd like to ask for advice, as I'm > pretty ignorant to the whole process. > > I know that they'll just cut me a check, and I'll have to declare that > income on next year's tax return. > > Do I need to write up a contract beforehand? > Is there any legalities that I need to be careful of? > Should I get a partial payment before starting? > etc., etc., etc. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Apr 16 21:55:41 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle References: <20030416223820.GY18770@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00a301c3048c$d5263790$0201a8c0@brinstar> > We have an oracle database which I'd like to move to an open-source > database. Based on talking with the DBA, we have less than 100 Oracle > pl/sql packages. Which database would be easiest to migrate to? Are > there migration utilities to make this easier? It depends on your needs. The most commonly used open source databases are MySQL and PostgreSQL. PostgreSQL has more features. Whether or not you need them is a different story. MySQL has better documentation (in my opinion) and is easier to use. MySQL is probably faster than PostgreSQL for most uses. It also has transactional tables, if you need them. It can run 24/7 without needing maintenance like PostgreSQL. MySQL is developed in-house by a company, where as PostgreSQL is developed in the more traditional open source way. The code base for PostgreSQL was inherited from a university project. I am inclined to think that this makes MySQL more apt to be stable. There is also Firebird, an open source database based on Borland's InterBase. This probably isn't your situation, but if you need a very small, fast and light embeddable database, check out SQLite. The code is amazing. The entire database is kept in one file and it locks the entire file during updates, so multiuser performance would not be great. But for single user use, it can be much faster than MySQL and PostgreSQL. It is public domain. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Wed Apr 16 17:00:26 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] real player streams In-Reply-To: <3E9D080C.4020507@gac.edu> References: <3E9C655C.9020403@gac.edu> <20030415213432.GJ10280@fandre.com> <1050448500.20189.3.camel@hackel.hn.org> <3E9D080C.4020507@gac.edu> Message-ID: <1050530425.29508.8.camel@hackel.hn.org> The information was on the mplayerplug-in site someplace. Just google for it. I don't recall the particulars offhand. On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 02:36, Justin Haaheim wrote: > how do i set up the mini skin? how do I install it, and how do I set > gmplayer plugin to use it. > > justin -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Apr 18 00:30:57 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi OT: Freelance consulting question References: <3E9F0CFA.8000503@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <3E9F8D91.5050008@cleosci.com> I've been consulting for the past 12 years myself, and I usually just go to the company being sure they have a clear picture of my hourly rate. I do the job, leave, and send them a bill. I've found companies very willing to pay because they know that the IT community is a "small world," and if they want service again, they don't mess with the consultants. The only times I've found contracts necessary were when a) you draw up retainers (agreements to provide some amount of service over a certain period of time or to be "on call" with them), or b) when you do work for the government, but the government's easy since they usually present you with a contract that you read and sign (or read and walk away). Have fun with it! Garrett Erik Anderson wrote: > So I have just gotten asked to do my first freelance consulting gig. > I'll be setting up an Apache/Tomcat environment for a company, but > that's beside the point. > > I figure that there are at least a few people on the list that have > done private consulting before, and I'd like to ask for advice, as I'm > pretty ignorant to the whole process. > > I know that they'll just cut me a check, and I'll have to declare that > income on next year's tax return. > > Do I need to write up a contract beforehand? > Is there any legalities that I need to be careful of? > Should I get a partial payment before starting? > etc., etc., etc. > > There's a thousand more questions I could ask, but I guess I'll start > with these. > > Thanks in advance! > -Erik Anderson > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Wed Apr 16 15:13:43 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smbmount and XP problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E9DB977.2030007@netzero.net> Could you clarify a few things? "my PC" = a winxp machine? Partitions on this winxp machine are not big enough to hold /home from the linux server. Correct? Which side do you want to initiate the transfer from? If it's going to a scheduled backup, then is your xp machine constantly powered up? If it's constantly powered up, how do u manage to run anything on it besides notepad? Pastor Doug Coats wrote: > By the way... > > If anyone knows another way I could accomplish the same thing without using > Smbmount I am open to suggestions. > > All I want is for Linux to copy the dump of the /home directory over onto my > PC. Here's the catch. None of the partitions on the server are large > enough to hold a full backup of the /home directory. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 17:10:43 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-Burning Question Message-ID: <20030416171043.29bddd70.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm in the process of getting my CD-RW setup on my intranet server. What my intention to do is to have it usuable by anyone on the local network. However, those who would be using it don't know command line. Nor do they really desire to. I could teach them, but I'm looking for a different way that won't require an X-server to be installed to use the gui. Here's my thoughts and what I'm trying to accomplish: Windows desktop systems are connected to the Linux server via Samba to various shares. One share would be called "CDimage" where they can drag and drop files to make the CD. Once the files are in place, click on an executable that would launch the cd creation process on the server. Wait a few minutes and it's done, or better yet send a message saying something along the lines that it's complete. Is this possible? If so, what would be the way to accomplish this? I have putty and pscp on each system, but don't know if that is the right way to accomplish it. Any ideas on how it can be done in this fashion? Thanks, Shawn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com Wed Apr 9 10:56:00 2003 From: Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com (Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] To check whether Laptop is Docked/UnDocked Message-ID: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA19420EBB@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> I am running RedHat 8.0 on my Dell Latitude C610 laptop. I am having Dell Latitude C/Port II docking station. I have an extra monitor, Dell Optiplex GX260. When I dock my laptop, monitor configuration should be changed to reflect the GX260 monitor . When my laptop is up and running, I docked it. Now my display is on the extra GX260 monitor, but not properly configured. I believe then, this is termed as hot-docking, am I right friends? So is it possible to detect as and when the laptop is docked/undocked and thus, change the monitor configuration accordingly? Where to look for in /proc , if in case the /proc is the directory to look for? In Linux, is there any software/module that dynamically auto-detects and configures the monitor? Please help me out in this matter. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. Thanks Pradeep _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Apr 9 11:37:46 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yahoo messenger and gaim? In-Reply-To: <18221405459.20030408174810@toughguy.net> References: <16019.19852.167011.998545@tsathoggua.mydomain> <18221405459.20030408174810@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <16020.19546.746456.828936@tsathoggua.mydomain> Follow up, if you don't mind: 1. What do you use as screen name? I've been using my Yahoo userid (rpgoldman) WITHOUT @yahoo.com. Is that right? 2. gaim uses pager host scs.yahoo.com and port 5050 as options. Is that right? I'm investigating the version issue.... Thanks for all the help, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 9 11:40:57 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next installfest? In-Reply-To: <3E93A72D.8030908@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Keith wrote: > Curious as to when the next installfest is...I'm having some troubles, > just got Mandrake 9.1 installed, trying to get various features > activated. (I also have Red Hat 9.0 CDs) its RedHat 9 now :) > System: > Compaq Presario 915US > AMD > Mandrake 9.1 stinky comcraps > I am trying to get access rights to the Apache www folder, but I cannot. > How can I give my user write access to this folder? Apache server > installed and working succesfully (on localhost) chown -R : /var/www should do it on a RedHat system, i am not certain on the location in Mandrake > How can I get the 'suspend' command installed? I think I'm gonna need > an installfest help with this one. have you tried apm -s as root? > How can I have it stop trying to connnect to a DHCP server on bootup if > it doesn't find one in say, 10 seconds, or else have a menu on wether or > not to load it right away? Again, probable installfest problem. netconfig -d eth0 should let you specify a static IP, for that interface > Next: I want to get a MSQL database up and running (for a web-based > intranet helpdesk system) install PHPMyAdmin or webmin, webmin can do much more than just sql stuff... > This is my first successful install, I think the next installfest would > work best for this. Also, I can borrow some hardware from my school > (I'm an aide there as well) We have much hardware hiding in back closet > (Disbanded CISCO class, hardware sitting for two years) So I've got > hubs/switches. I just need to know when the next installfest is, and > where. Maybe we need to start having these more often (and update the > site, perhaps?) since you work at a college, maybe we can have one there? Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Wed Apr 9 11:44:09 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049906648.13822.20.camel@hackel.hn.org> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 10:36, Michael Vieths wrote: > shell.visi.com is running SunOS, not Linux or BSD. So it depends on how > vital the Linux/BSD requirement is. For $10.95/month, I'm getting pop > email, a shell account, news, and 5mb of web space. This is with 'Visi > Lite', which has info here: > http://home.visi.com/services/dialup/lite.html. > > This also includes spam filtering through Postini, which has been pretty > effective so far. Extra disk space is a one-time charge of $2/megabyte. > Their customer service is fantastic, and I've yet to see any downtime on > their end. I'm actually with Visi right now. I've been with them for years, and their customer service and reliability are indeed great, but I can't handle the 5M storage limit when I can get 150 from Pair. I just thought I'd see if people knew of other alternatives. I personally hate Postini's service. Visi enabled it without warning, and it has a very high faulty-positive hit rate, so I often loose mails since I'm too lazy to use their web interface.. I like SpamAssassin since I can control it myself. Thanks again! -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john4293 at umn.edu Wed Apr 9 12:21:25 2003 From: john4293 at umn.edu (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell providers In-Reply-To: <1049899334.12145.24.camel@hackel.hn.org> References: <1049899334.12145.24.camel@hackel.hn.org> Message-ID: <20030409122125.32b02d86.john4293@umn.edu> this was recommended to me just a few days ago, i haven't signed up with them yet so I can't say anything about it other than it was recommended and the price is good http://www.atlnetworks.com/ Thomas Johnson -------------- john4293 at umn dot edu 763.458.9071 (cell) -------------- * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. * there is little truth in men but much cunning. -peter the great -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Create group webdesigner (or whatever) and add user to that group: I'm a slug and always use kuser. Note that you have to log out to have any group membership changes effective. 2. Make the directory group be the new group: chgrp --recursive webdesigner /var/www 3. Change directory permissions: This could be yucky. I'm not dead sure what you want to be able to write. If it's just html, I would do chmod --recursive g+w /var/www/html Choice B: I'm not sure what you want to do, but I believe that apache comes by default with each user able to create his/her own web page. So if your user is flash_gordon, you would just create a directory /home/flash_gordon/public_html with an index.html, which should be accessible as http://localhost/~flash_gordon/ Depending on your needs, this would be easier to accomplish, less fraught with security issues, etc. > > How can I get the 'suspend' command installed? I think I'm gonna need > an installfest help with this one. I found that acpi (the new, zippy power-saving stuff) was by default OFF in Mandrake 9.1. Their boot configuration stuff didn't seem to change this properly. I use lilo, so what I did was: 1. copy the entry called 'linux' in /etc/lilo.conf; 2. modify it by adding acpi=on to the line that starts append=; 3. modify it by renaming the copy to 'linux-acpi' 4. change the default line in lilo.conf to be linux-acpi instead of linux. This seems to work and start up acpi. BUT.... 1. I had to install the acpi and acpid rpms by hand. Check to make sure they're there. 2. I checked to make sure that the acpid was started up on boot (check using chkconfig --list). 3. I have not extensively tested ACPI. Let me be more blunt --- I haven't used it at all and don't have the foggiest idea if it works and can successfully do neat stuff like hybernation.... > > How can I have it stop trying to connnect to a DHCP server on bootup if > it doesn't find one in say, 10 seconds, or else have a menu on wether or > not to load it right away? Again, probable installfest problem. 1. Easy solution: change /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 (or whatever is the name of the interface) to be ONBOOT=no and then just use ifcfg eth0 up (as root) when you're ready to bring up the connection 2. More tricky (suggested by Jon Schewe): modify the kernel load parameters to add an argument saying whether or not the interface should be up on boot, and modify Mandrake's /etc/rc.d/init.d/network to check /proc/cmdline and start or not start the interface based on that argument. > > Next: I want to get a MSQL database up and running (for a web-based > intranet helpdesk system) Here I confess complete ignorance. Hope that helps, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Apr 9 12:30:11 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yahoo messenger and gaim? In-Reply-To: <200304081939.47686.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Jay Kline wrote: > Check what version you are using. Gaim had a run of a few versions that were > broke for Yahoo. Latest is 0.60- based on GTK+2.0 and is very nice. Yahoo > works for me on it. Actually, as of 7:31pm last night, the latest is 0.61. :) However, none of the changes appear to be Yahoo-specific (or too major). Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Wed Apr 9 11:47:19 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yahoo messenger and gaim? In-Reply-To: <16020.19546.746456.828936@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <16019.19852.167011.998545@tsathoggua.mydomain> <18221405459.20030408174810@toughguy.net> <16020.19546.746456.828936@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <1049906838.13809.24.camel@hackel.hn.org> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 11:37, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Follow up, if you don't mind: > > 1. What do you use as screen name? I've been using my Yahoo userid > (rpgoldman) WITHOUT @yahoo.com. Is that right? > > 2. gaim uses pager host scs.yahoo.com and port 5050 as options. Is > that right? > > I'm investigating the version issue.... Not sure what issue you're having, but all of those values are correct. I've used Gaim for many years, with Yahoo practically since they supported it. If by "version issue" you mean whether you're using the latest version (0.60), I'd highly recommend it, as I'm sure others here have. The only thing I can see getting in your way is proxy settings. Make sure they're correct both in the individual account, and the global settings in Gaim's preferences. Good luck. ;) -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Apr 9 11:02:22 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ps command options References: <1049900495.16901.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <003301c2feb1$67bb4d70$0201a8c0@brinstar> Brady Hegberg writes: > I'm looking for a more useful ps command for when you just want to > find a process to kill it. All I really need is the command and the > PID so I tried this: Try this for a "killall" command: kill $(ps ahx --format="%c%p" | tr -s ' ' | grep "$NAME " | cut -d' ' -f2) The command you are looking for is this: ps ahxwww --format="%p%a" Note that this method can be dangerous, as it has a race condition: between the time that you lookup the PID and send the signal, the process can be killed and a new one started in its place. This is why PID files are a bad idea and should not be used. The proper way to manage processes is to use a supervisor program, like daemontools. The daemontools method is not vulnerable to this race condition. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From foeclan at visi.com Wed Apr 9 10:36:30 2003 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell providers In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDED4@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I'm wondering if anyone could provide some recommendations for > > linux/bsd shell providers, preferably local, or otherwise. I'm > > primarily interested in a reliable place to store and access email, > > run spam filters, throw up a few web-accessible files now and then. > > I'm in the $10/mo. range, and am looking at Pair's basic account > > (always had good luck with them), which gives 150M, but doesn't > > include any bells and/or whistles (php, perl, mysql, etc. See > > http://www.pair.com/pair/shared/basic.html). So, does anyone know of > > any other solutions? > Visi? I know they offer shell accts, but not sure what they come with > or how much they cost. > shell.visi.com is running SunOS, not Linux or BSD. So it depends on how vital the Linux/BSD requirement is. For $10.95/month, I'm getting pop email, a shell account, news, and 5mb of web space. This is with 'Visi Lite', which has info here: http://home.visi.com/services/dialup/lite.html. This also includes spam filtering through Postini, which has been pretty effective so far. Extra disk space is a one-time charge of $2/megabyte. Their customer service is fantastic, and I've yet to see any downtime on their end. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Apr 3 10:30:37 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rail kits universal? In-Reply-To: References: <200304022311.32286.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030403163037.GA20225@galileo.isd197.k12.mn.us> On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 09:06:18AM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > > > > Are rail kits for rack mounted servers universal? In other words, will > > any rail kit fit any server? I just bought an old 2U VA Linux 2200 and > > it didn't come with any rack mounting hardware. > > Nowhere close. :( Bummer. Anyone know where I can get a set of rails that would be compatible with a VA Linux 2200 2U server? > FYI, the VA FullOn 2u-series often have problems with the 2.4 kernels if > you're using Adaptec or Mylex cards.. if you have issues, try a SMP kernel > (even if it's a UP box), or pass the 'noapic' option to the kernel. Also a bummer. Luckily I got a dual-proc machine. Incidentally, if anyone is in the market for a pretty powerful server for a home network, eBay is replete with old rack mount machines. I got a 2U VA Linux 2200, dual PIII 650 MHz, 512MB RAM, 9 GB SCSI, etc. for $350. That seemed like a pretty good deal to me. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 3 10:37:04 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rail kits universal? In-Reply-To: <20030403163037.GA20225@galileo.isd197.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > Bummer. Anyone know where I can get a set of rails that would be > compatible with a VA Linux 2200 2U server? I've had decent luck with eBay for those type of things.. I'm afraid the VA box may not be common enough to see them on a regular basis, though. Otherwise, you may be able to buy them from the company that picked up VA's hardware side.. can't remember what their name is, though. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Thu Apr 3 10:53:52 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2641 - 15 msgs In-Reply-To: <7f.35273b2c.2bbdbd54@aol.com> References: <7f.35273b2c.2bbdbd54@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030403165352.GA13395@isis.visi.com> On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 11:37:40AM -0500, DeBeau@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/3/03 9:47:17 AM Central Standard Time, > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org writes: > > > Yikes, I just got a quote back from OnTrack on the data recovery...$1,800! > > > > > > Two years ago, I had a hard drive failure and a small shop in Inver Grove > Heights retrieved most of my data for $200. I am not in that area anymore and > don't remember the exact location but it was near 60th and Cahill in a small > strip mall on the west side of Cahill. I hit yp.yahoo.com and came up with this shop: First Stop Computing 5355 Audobon Ave # 205 Inver Grove Heights, MN 55077 Does that sound familiar? -David _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Apr 3 11:43:05 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2641 - 15 msgs In-Reply-To: <7f.35273b2c.2bbdbd54@aol.com> References: <7f.35273b2c.2bbdbd54@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030403174305.GW2244@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 11:37:40AM -0500, DeBeau@aol.com wrote: > > Two years ago, I had a hard drive failure and a small shop in Inver Grove > Heights retrieved most of my data for $200. I am not in that area anymore and > don't remember the exact location but it was near 60th and Cahill in a small > strip mall on the west side of Cahill. I do believe that's a bike shop now =/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Thu Apr 3 11:41:46 2003 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nvidia In-Reply-To: <28E468A3.5D4E6951.09BD8409@aol.com> References: <28E468A3.5D4E6951.09BD8409@aol.com> Message-ID: <200304031141.46746.jared-linux@mn.rr.com> Nvidia's drivers have always worked great for me, including for my GeForce 4. - Jared On Thursday 03 April 2003 11:22 am, AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > Ok, I've got an Nvidia GeForce 4. What driver choices have I got? Simply > Nvidia's closed source drivers and the ones coming with Xfree86? Well, I > can't exactly get the XF86 drivers to work, and I'm out for performance for > the purpose of Flightgear flightsim. So am I stuck with Nvidia's? > > -Nick Stolley > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Apr 3 11:17:55 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] outlook crapola Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDEB7@mail.temgweb.com> > Why don't you run Linux and use VMware to run your Windows software? Because I don't want to run windows at all. However, I might do that, I just don't want to have to pay for a copy of VMWare to run something I hate. :) Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 3 11:19:51 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] outlook crapola In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDEB7@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: > Because I don't want to run windows at all. However, I might do that, > I just don't want to have to pay for a copy of VMWare to run something > I hate. :) Yeah, Crossover is cheaper. :) Plus, for VMWare, you have to have a legit license for Windows.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Thu Apr 3 11:22:26 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nvidia Message-ID: <28E468A3.5D4E6951.09BD8409@aol.com> Ok, I've got an Nvidia GeForce 4. What driver choices have I got? Simply Nvidia's closed source drivers and the ones coming with Xfree86? Well, I can't exactly get the XF86 drivers to work, and I'm out for performance for the purpose of Flightgear flightsim. So am I stuck with Nvidia's? -Nick Stolley _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Apr 3 11:33:33 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] outlook crapola In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDEB7@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDEB7@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <200304031133.33292.list@slushpupie.com> On Thursday 03 April 2003 11:17 am, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Why don't you run Linux and use VMware to run your Windows software? > > Because I don't want to run windows at all. However, I might do that, I > just don't want to have to pay for a copy of VMWare to run something I > hate. bochs or plex86 are free versions that mostly work (though, not as well). I have used them for Windows once or twice. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From myok at ogzr.org Thu Apr 3 11:10:06 2003 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure In-Reply-To: <3E8BE33E.9070605@attbi.com> References: <20030403012413.GA11960@isis.visi.com> <3E8BE33E.9070605@attbi.com> Message-ID: <1049389805.1544.16.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 01:31, Paul Overby wrote: > It seems rather suspicious to me that they can determine "25,4798 good > files =(14.9 GB) and 0 bad files" without opening the drive and yet need > clean room expertise (open the drive) to recover the data. Anybody know > what it is I'm not understanding here. I have some ideas on that. I sent a toasted laptop drive down to them for an estimate, and got back the very detailed report of all my files and a huge recovery quote, much like what we're seeing here. I chose not to use their service as the data was of little importance, and asked for the drive back so I could get it replaced by Dell under warranty. Out of curiosity, not to mention some suspicion, I plugged the drive into a spare junker laptop and lo and behold, it booted up. Stunk horribly. I suspect that they do a bare minimum fix to read the drive contents for the estimate, and count on either the user accepting the quote or not asking for the drive back. It's not worth their time to "re-break" the drive before it's returned. Hence, my theory is that they're dodgy about describing this process because it would be simple for an individual with questionable ethics to get a cheap, unwarrantied hard drive repair for the cost of the estimate. -- Carl Patten _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From daret at linuxmail.org Thu Apr 3 11:34:04 2003 From: daret at linuxmail.org (dare t) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] outlook crapola Message-ID: <20030403173404.26126.qmail@linuxmail.org> ----- Original Message ----- From: Nate Carlson Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:19:51 -0600 (CST) To: "tclug-list@mn-linux.org" Subject: RE: [TCLUG] outlook crapola > On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Because I don't want to run windows at all. However, I might do that, > > I just don't want to have to pay for a copy of VMWare to run something > > I hate. :) > > Yeah, Crossover is cheaper. :) > > Plus, for VMWare, you have to have a legit license for Windows.. > > -- Kind of sucks that we don't have a single platform that does all things well. *nix is great for networking and reliability, doesn't have the nice business apps like windows or nice photo video apps like OSX. Maybe someday. -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with e-mail forwarding for only US$5.95/yr Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pclinux at charter.net Thu Apr 3 10:45:30 2003 From: pclinux at charter.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Hard drive failure In-Reply-To: <20030403161201.486.37965.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030403102919.02982008@pop.charter.net> Someone else already suggested this & I concur. Go find the same drive at MPC or ebay & trade out parts. You obviously have problem with the arm that moves across the platter. Take your's apart & look. If the tiny head has come off one of the arms, the platter will be scratched - just move on with your life. If the heads & platters look good, the control mechanism is probably at fault. Swap the parts. Keep everything clean (obvious). In my experience, the drive will function long enough to get your data off (usually months longer). >Yikes, I just got a quote back from OnTrack on the data recovery...$1,800! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Apr 3 09:53:34 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finally!!! I think I've got my LAMP In-Reply-To: <20030403124445.GF16160@real-time.com> References: <200304022335.11470.mcolivier@earthlink.net> <20030403124445.GF16160@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1049385214.21603.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Often I think people create a new user and group called something like "webuser" and make that user own the www directory. Then log in as that user to make changes...or if you want to write to the directory as yourself you can just make yourself a member of the group. Brady > On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 11:35:11PM -0600, Marc Olivier (mcolivier@earthlink.net) wrote: > > I just found out how to get PHP to work on my system (SuSE 8.1 on AMD system). > > I use Quanta to create/edit a file, save it with the ".php" extension, and > > then go to Konsole, log in as SU, and copy the file from > > /home/marco/public_html/filename.php and place it in /srv/www/htdocs, then > > open Konqueror web browser and go to http://localhost/filename/php. > > > > How come this procedure isn't documented anywhere in easy steps like this, and > > how come it doesn't say I need to be in superuser mode in order to even get > > the file saved in the /srv/www/directory? I've been trying for a month at > > least, and lost a lot of self-worth over this issue. > > Just change the permissions on the /srv/www/directory so you can write > to it. Then you can write directly from Quanta to that directory > instead of having to copy it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From DeBeau at aol.com Thu Apr 3 10:37:40 2003 From: DeBeau at aol.com (DeBeau@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2641 - 15 msgs Message-ID: <7f.35273b2c.2bbdbd54@aol.com> In a message dated 4/3/03 9:47:17 AM Central Standard Time, tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org writes: > Yikes, I just got a quote back from OnTrack on the data recovery...$1,800! > > Two years ago, I had a hard drive failure and a small shop in Inver Grove Heights retrieved most of my data for $200. I am not in that area anymore and don't remember the exact location but it was near 60th and Cahill in a small strip mall on the west side of Cahill. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030403/745c0297/attachment.html From ming at evil-overlords.com Thu Apr 3 09:43:58 2003 From: ming at evil-overlords.com (ming@evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ssh and using public keys Message-ID: <20030403154358.28034.qmail@wm0.netfirms.com> Thanks for all the help folks. I guess it also helps to have RSAAuthentication yes in sshd_config uncommented. Sometimes I am just an idiot that overlooks the painfully obvious.... Jason On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:41:47 -0600, Jay Kline wrote : > On the account you are trying to ssh from, do this: > > ssh-keygen -t rsa > > When it prompts for a password, just hit enter. > That creates two files in your .ssh directory: id_rsa and id_rsa.pub. Copy > (securely) the id_rsa.pub to the remote machine you are trying to log into. > In the account's .ssh directory, add id_rsa.pub to the end of the > authorized_keys file. (cat id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys) I dont know if > ssh requres that file have permissions 600, but its not a bad idea to do that > anyway. Now, the next time you ssh to that account from the other box, it > should not prompt for a password (scp will do the same). > > Jay > > On Thursday 03 April 2003 12:35 am, Ming wrote: > > Ok been battling with this off and on but can some one point me to some > > good docs that show me how to get ssh setup so it uses publickeys? > > Basically I am trying to use scp -qb in a script to get a particular > > file from the machine, but I keep getting permission denied. Sorry don't > > have a scp -v to include right now, I think I just broke ssh on the > > machine and its 12:30am....good thing no one else uses it or else I > > would have to go fix it now. Any thoughts or pointers would be nice. > > Thanks. > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Apr 8 12:35:21 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 9 Message-ID: <49D8B50499A9D611A00D0008C7CFB472695847@ipserver1.interplastic.com> Disregard my braindead reply :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Perry Hoekstra [SMTP:dutchman_mn@charter.net] > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 10:13 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 9 > > Bob: > > Any word on the RedHat 9.0 mirror for ftp.mn-linux.org? I saw the > directory but got a permission denied. > > Perry Hoekstra > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Apr 8 12:34:39 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 9 Message-ID: <49D8B50499A9D611A00D0008C7CFB472695846@ipserver1.interplastic.com> The ftp server is full of users is why you got that. Try later. > -----Original Message----- > From: Perry Hoekstra [SMTP:dutchman_mn@charter.net] > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 10:13 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 9 > > Bob: > > Any word on the RedHat 9.0 mirror for ftp.mn-linux.org? I saw the > directory but got a permission denied. > > Perry Hoekstra > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Apr 8 15:32:04 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN client for Nortel Contivity In-Reply-To: References: <20030408141558.0f5229eb.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030408153204.1552cc96.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:51:10 -0500 (CDT) Jima wrote: > Well, according to the FreeS/WAN interoperability page for 1.99 [1], > compatibility with Nortel Conitivity is "partial" with PSK, and > evidently it's supported with X.509 under 2.00-pre4 [2]. Alas, no RSA > SecurID, so it won't work for Jay. FreeS/WAN does support NAT > traversal with a patch, though. > I feel like a dummy right now, but is that referring to the group/password type thing that Nortel has an option for? Or something else? Brain isn't working properly right now. Shawn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Apr 8 15:06:08 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN client for Nortel Contivity Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDECE@mail.temgweb.com> Has anyone tried using the Cisco VPN client with products from other vendors? I know the Netscreen client works great with FreeS/WAN. I wonder if I could make the Cisco one work with Nortel Contivity. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jima [mailto:jima@beer.tclug.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 2:51 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VPN client for Nortel Contivity > > > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Shawn wrote: > > I've been after this same thing for a while. Some people > here mentioned > > that FreesWan works, but I tried a couple of times and > couldn't get it > > to work. Nor have I been able to devote much time to it either. > > Well, according to the FreeS/WAN interoperability page for 1.99 [1], > compatibility with Nortel Conitivity is "partial" with PSK, > and evidently > it's supported with X.509 under 2.00-pre4 [2]. Alas, no RSA > SecurID, so > it won't work for Jay. FreeS/WAN does support NAT traversal > with a patch, > though. > > Jima > > 1. > http://www.freeswan.org/freeswan_trees/freeswan-1.99/doc/interop.html > 2. > http://www.freeswan.org/freeswan_trees/freeswan-2.00-pre4/doc/ interop.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Apr 8 17:30:36 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yahoo messenger and gaim? Message-ID: <16019.19852.167011.998545@tsathoggua.mydomain> Are any of you using gaim successfully to connect to Yahoo messenger? I can't seem to login sucessfully. Dunno why. Everybuddy neither. Both seem to be able to connect to MSN messenger just fine. Did Yahoo change their protocol or something? R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at HEALTH.STATE.MN.US Tue Apr 8 16:58:09 2003 From: troy.johnson at HEALTH.STATE.MN.US (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba: RH73 vs RH80 Message-ID: Hi TCLUG, I must have missed something. Why are the Samba RPMs for Red Hat 8.0 so huge? Especially compared to the Red Hat 7.3 ones? :-/ Troy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Tue Apr 8 17:42:53 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yahoo messenger and gaim? In-Reply-To: <16019.19852.167011.998545@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <16019.19852.167011.998545@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20030408224252.GF17001@real-time.com> On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 05:30:36PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) wrote: > > Are any of you using gaim successfully to connect to Yahoo messenger? > I can't seem to login sucessfully. Dunno why. Everybuddy neither. I'm using it right now and it's working fine. It does occasionally break when the protocol changes. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030408/fdde6a92/attachment.pgp From rpgoldman at sift.info Tue Apr 8 17:30:23 2003 From: rpgoldman at sift.info (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yahoo messenger and gaim? Message-ID: <16019.19839.41841.511425@tsathoggua.mydomain> Are any of you using gaim successfully to connect to Yahoo messenger? I can't seem to login sucessfully. Dunno why. Everybuddy neither. Both seem to be able to connect to MSN messenger just fine. Did Yahoo change their protocol or something? R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Apr 8 16:17:45 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN client for Nortel Contivity Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDED1@mail.temgweb.com> > > I feel like a dummy right now, but is that referring to the > > group/password type thing that Nortel has an option for? > Or something > > else? Brain isn't working properly right now. > > All I know is that it's the authentication method, so don't > beat yourself > up too hard. The RSA SecurID is one of those little keyfob things with numbers that change every minute. It's synced up with a RADIUS server. So when you type in your password, you type a 4 digit pin followed by the 6 digits on the keyfob. The contivity is configured to talk to the SecurID Radius box and tries to verify your credentials. It just makes you password change every minute. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Apr 8 16:02:01 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN client for Nortel Contivity In-Reply-To: <20030408153204.1552cc96.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Shawn wrote: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:51:10 -0500 (CDT) > Jima wrote: > > Well, according to the FreeS/WAN interoperability page for 1.99 [1], > > compatibility with Nortel Conitivity is "partial" with PSK, and > > evidently it's supported with X.509 under 2.00-pre4 [2]. Alas, no RSA > > SecurID, so it won't work for Jay. FreeS/WAN does support NAT > > traversal with a patch, though. > > I feel like a dummy right now, but is that referring to the > group/password type thing that Nortel has an option for? Or something > else? Brain isn't working properly right now. All I know is that it's the authentication method, so don't beat yourself up too hard. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Apr 8 14:51:10 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN client for Nortel Contivity In-Reply-To: <20030408141558.0f5229eb.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Shawn wrote: > I've been after this same thing for a while. Some people here mentioned > that FreesWan works, but I tried a couple of times and couldn't get it > to work. Nor have I been able to devote much time to it either. Well, according to the FreeS/WAN interoperability page for 1.99 [1], compatibility with Nortel Conitivity is "partial" with PSK, and evidently it's supported with X.509 under 2.00-pre4 [2]. Alas, no RSA SecurID, so it won't work for Jay. FreeS/WAN does support NAT traversal with a patch, though. Jima 1. http://www.freeswan.org/freeswan_trees/freeswan-1.99/doc/interop.html 2. http://www.freeswan.org/freeswan_trees/freeswan-2.00-pre4/doc/interop.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Apr 8 14:15:58 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN client for Nortel Contivity In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDECA@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDECA@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030408141558.0f5229eb.sfertch@real-time.com> I've been after this same thing for a while. Some people here mentioned that FreesWan works, but I tried a couple of times and couldn't get it to work. Nor have I been able to devote much time to it either. Let me know if you find something that works, as there are many interested parties... Shawn On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:25:26 -0500 "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Just wondering if there are any non-commercial solutions for > connecting a linux box to a Nortel Contivity VPN server. > > I don't want to spend $100 for Netlock's client. However, whatever I > find must support NAT Traversal, and authentication via RSA SecurID. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Mon Apr 14 12:26:03 2003 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smbmount and XP problems In-Reply-To: <200304141107.12219@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: Recently I needed to upgraded to XP from Win98 to run an XP native phone system program. Before that I had programmed our RH 7.1 Server to use smbmount to copy a backup of our file server to my machine at a set time and then unmount when done. This worked great before I had to upgrade. If I share a directory in XP with simple sharing off so that I can set the permissions so that only I have access to the backup Samba does not seem to complete the mount correctly. It locked up the entire file system and would only show this smbmount as the only mounted partition but you could not write to it. Here is the script. smbmount //Computername/abackup /root/backup -o username=XP&Sambaname password=XP&Sambapassword filename=H3`date +"%m_%d_%y"` /sbin/dump -0M -B 1150976 -f /root/backup/$filename /home smbumount /root/backup If anyone has any insights I would be very grateful for you assistance. Thanks, Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Apr 8 13:25:26 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN client for Nortel Contivity Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDECA@mail.temgweb.com> Just wondering if there are any non-commercial solutions for connecting a linux box to a Nortel Contivity VPN server. I don't want to spend $100 for Netlock's client. However, whatever I find must support NAT Traversal, and authentication via RSA SecurID. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Wed Apr 16 20:36:33 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle In-Reply-To: <20030416223820.GY18770@real-time.com> References: <20030416223820.GY18770@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200304162036.33153.jack@jacku.com> On Wednesday 16 April 2003 5:38 pm, Amy Tanner wrote: > We have an oracle database which I'd like to move to an open-source > database. Based on talking with the DBA, we have less than 100 Oracle > pl/sql packages. Which database would be easiest to migrate to? Are > there migration utilities to make this easier? > > Anyone else tackled this? I don't have any direct experience with this (Never worked in an Oracle environment) but you might want to check into the work of the OpenACS project (http://www.openacs.org) Phil Greenspun's original ACS was based on Oracle, the OpenACS group moved it to PostgreSQL. I believe that there is a PL/SQL work-alike mode for Postgres or you can convert to TCL/Perl/Python if you want. (Requires rebuilding Postgres with proper languages linked in.) Hope this helps. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Apr 16 20:20:03 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smbmount and XP problems In-Reply-To: <3E9DB977.2030007@netzero.net> References: <3E9DB977.2030007@netzero.net> Message-ID: <1336.192.1.1.15.1050542403.squirrel@dccmn.com> Allow me to clarify. I've been trying to help him, but my knowledge of XP is extreamly limited. We have a Linux based file server. We want to back up the /home directory from this Linux system onto A dvdrom burner on a Windows machine. Other applications (a phone management system) on this Windows machine now require it to run XP. Doug is using dump to create backup images directly on the Windows machine because there is not enough space on the file server to hold the backup images. Thus the requirement for using smb. This was all working on Win 98 (or was it Me). At this point, Doug can mount the XP share, which is set up with full permissions for the user he is mounting as. When he attempts to create a file, he gets a permission denied. Doug, can you create a file when you "mount" this share from another Windows machine? > Could you clarify a few things? > "my PC" = a winxp machine? > Partitions on this winxp machine are not big enough to hold /home from > the linux server. Correct? Which side do you want to initiate the > transfer from? If it's going to a scheduled backup, then is your xp > machine constantly powered up? > If it's constantly powered up, how do u manage to run anything on > it besides notepad? > > > Pastor Doug Coats wrote: >> By the way... >> >> If anyone knows another way I could accomplish the same thing without >> using Smbmount I am open to suggestions. >> >> All I want is for Linux to copy the dump of the /home directory over >> onto my PC. Here's the catch. None of the partitions on the server >> are large enough to hold a full backup of the /home directory. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 14 11:01:59 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] uns*bscribe In-Reply-To: <001201c301f7$5338ff20$03fea8c0@shadowlappy> References: <001201c301f7$5338ff20$03fea8c0@shadowlappy> Message-ID: <200304141101.59286@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Sunday 13 April 2003 03:00 pm, Jay Wineinger wrote: > what does it take to get off this list? i sent messages with uns*ubscribe > as subject and body https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Scroll to the bottom of this page. Enter your email address into Edit Option Text Entry box and click. Put your password into the Password text entry box and click Unsubscribe. Also, if you view the complete headers of any message from the mailing list, the infomation is also there. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Apr 14 13:52:16 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday Message-ID: --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, April 18, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Gluek's 16 North 6th Street Minneapolis, Minnesota 55403 --- snip --- As always, more information is available at http://beer.tclug.org . If anyone has suggestions for future Beer Meeting locations, email me off-list. Hope to see you there! (tm) Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Apr 14 13:52:16 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday Message-ID: --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, April 18, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Gluek's 16 North 6th Street Minneapolis, Minnesota 55403 --- snip --- As always, more information is available at http://beer.tclug.org . If anyone has suggestions for future Beer Meeting locations, email me off-list. Hope to see you there! (tm) Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com Mon Apr 14 15:38:05 2003 From: Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com (Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking Message-ID: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA19420ED7@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> I am very sorry for the mistake in earlier mail..instead of typing "3COM 3C920 ", I typed "3COM sC920". Pradeep -----Original Message----- From: Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 3:34 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking Hi, I am running VMWorkstation 4 on my Dell Latitude C610 laptop. The host OS is Windows 2000. I have installed Red Hat Linux 8.0 as guest OS on the virtual machine. When I see in the C:\Programs\VMware\Manage Vitual Networks, in the tab - Host Virtual Network Mapping, I see that VMnet0(Bridged) is set to "Bridged to an automatically chosen adapter". My NIC is 3COM sC920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller. When I power on my virtual machine, it boots the RedHat Linux 8.0 and after logging in, I found that network is not setup. When I run the network configuration tool, I see that the device eth0 is pointed to the hardware device 'AMD PCnet32'. Why the virtual machine is not setup for networking? I would like to setup in such a way that the physical network sees the virtual machine as a separate machine. Virtual machine should have separate IP address . Any other machine on the physical network should be able to communicate with the virtual machine, for example ftp to virtual machine from any other host. How can I do this? Someone please help me in configuring to achieve this? Any good sources on this VMware Networking? Any sort of help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance... Pradeep _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com Mon Apr 14 15:57:58 2003 From: Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com (Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking Message-ID: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA19420ED8@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> I am using DHCP for network configuration, but still network is down for virtual machine. I donot understand what is the reason. But when I go to "C:\Programs\VMware\Manage Virtual Networks" , in the "Host Virtual Network Mapping", for VMnet0(Bridged, when I changed it to "3COM 3C920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller" instaed of "Bridged to an automatically chosen adapter" . Then network is up for virtual machine. I cam ping any other machine on the network from virtual machine or ping virtual machine from any other machine on the network. I can ftp to any other machine on the network, but not the reverse. When I tried to ftp to the virtual machine, I get an error "Connection Refused" . What may be the problem? Thanks Pradeep -----Original Message----- From: Erik Anderson [mailto:erik@andersonfam.org] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 3:39 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking Sounds like it is indeed set up correctly. If you want the VM to be a "separate entity" on the network, bridged networking is the way to go. The reason that redhat comes up with an AMD network card is because VMware emulates that AMD card in its virtual machine. You should be able to the network in redhat to use either DHCP or static (depending on your network environment) and it should work fine... -Erik Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > Hi, > I am running VMWorkstation 4 on my Dell Latitude C610 laptop. > The host OS is Windows 2000. I have installed Red Hat Linux 8.0 > as guest OS on the virtual machine. > > When I see in the C:\Programs\VMware\Manage Vitual Networks, in the tab > - Host Virtual Network Mapping, > I see that VMnet0(Bridged) is set to "Bridged to an automatically chosen > adapter". > My NIC is 3COM sC920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller. > > When I power on my virtual machine, it boots the RedHat Linux 8.0 and > after logging in, > I found that network is not setup. > > When I run the network configuration tool, I see that the device eth0 is > pointed > to the hardware device 'AMD PCnet32'. > > Why the virtual machine is not setup for networking? I would like to > setup in such a way that > the physical network sees the virtual machine as a separate machine. > Virtual machine should have > separate IP address . Any other machine on the physical network should > be able to communicate with > the virtual machine, for example ftp to virtual machine from any other > host. > > How can I do this? Someone please help me in configuring to achieve > this? Any good sources on this VMware Networking? > Any sort of help is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance... > > Pradeep > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 14 16:16:06 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA19420ED9@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > I cannot say that networking issue is solved. When VMnet0 is setup to > be bridged to an automatically chosen adapter, network does not work. > But when I force it to be bridged to a partical physical network > interface, then it works. Have you tried VMware support? They are really good. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Apr 14 17:45:56 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] festival sounds like chipmunk on speed Message-ID: Hi LUG! I get output from 'festival' (text to speech program) that sounds like someone turned the speed of the sound up really, really fast. I could be "doin' it wrong" but I read the docs and used the scheme-y interface and it all sounds the same (chipmonks on speed). The computer is a Athlon 1.3GHz processor in a ECS K7S5A mainboardwith 512 MB DDR SDRAM running Red Hat 7.3 (with updates). Anyone else have this problem? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com Mon Apr 14 16:12:57 2003 From: Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com (Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking Message-ID: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA19420ED9@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Thanks Erik for your responses..!! I cannot say that networking issue is solved. When VMnet0 is setup to be bridged to an automatically chosen adapter, network does not work. But when I force it to be bridged to a partical physical network interface, then it works. I want VMnet0 to be bridged to an automatically chosen adapter. This issue is still not resolved. FTP server is running on the virtual machine. It is wu-ftpd. When I run, "ftp localhost or ftp Virtual_Machine_IPAddress" it works fine. Thanks Pradeep -----Original Message----- From: Erik Anderson [mailto:erik@andersonfam.org] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 4:06 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking OK - well it sounds like you have the network issue solved. Are you sure that the ftp service is running on the virtual machine? Try doing a port scan of that ip address to make sure that it's actually listening for ftp requests. Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > I am using DHCP for network configuration, but still network is down for > virtual machine. > I donot understand what is the reason. > > But when I go to "C:\Programs\VMware\Manage Virtual Networks" , in the > "Host Virtual Network Mapping", > for VMnet0(Bridged, when I changed it to "3COM 3C920 Integrated Fast > Ethernet Controller" instaed of > "Bridged to an automatically chosen adapter" . Then network is up for > virtual machine. > I cam ping any other machine on the network from virtual machine or ping > virtual machine from any > other machine on the network. I can ftp to any other machine on the > network, but not the reverse. When I tried > to ftp to the virtual machine, I get an error "Connection Refused" . > What may be the problem? > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Anderson [mailto:erik@andersonfam.org] > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 3:39 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking > > > Sounds like it is indeed set up correctly. If you want the VM to be a > "separate entity" on the network, bridged networking is the way to go. > The reason that redhat comes up with an AMD network card is because > VMware emulates that AMD card in its virtual machine. > > You should be able to the network in redhat to use either DHCP or static > > (depending on your network environment) and it should work fine... > > -Erik > > Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > >>Hi, >>I am running VMWorkstation 4 on my Dell Latitude C610 laptop. >>The host OS is Windows 2000. I have installed Red Hat Linux 8.0 >>as guest OS on the virtual machine. >> >>When I see in the C:\Programs\VMware\Manage Vitual Networks, in the > > tab > >>- Host Virtual Network Mapping, >>I see that VMnet0(Bridged) is set to "Bridged to an automatically > > chosen > >>adapter". >>My NIC is 3COM sC920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller. >> >>When I power on my virtual machine, it boots the RedHat Linux 8.0 and >>after logging in, >>I found that network is not setup. >> >>When I run the network configuration tool, I see that the device eth0 > > is > >>pointed >>to the hardware device 'AMD PCnet32'. >> >>Why the virtual machine is not setup for networking? I would like to >>setup in such a way that >>the physical network sees the virtual machine as a separate machine. >>Virtual machine should have >>separate IP address . Any other machine on the physical network should >>be able to communicate with >>the virtual machine, for example ftp to virtual machine from any other >>host. >> >>How can I do this? Someone please help me in configuring to achieve >>this? Any good sources on this VMware Networking? >>Any sort of help is greatly appreciated. >> >>Thanks in advance... >> >>Pradeep >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Mon Apr 14 16:05:46 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA19420ED8@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA19420ED8@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <3E9B22AA.2090107@andersonfam.org> OK - well it sounds like you have the network issue solved. Are you sure that the ftp service is running on the virtual machine? Try doing a port scan of that ip address to make sure that it's actually listening for ftp requests. Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > I am using DHCP for network configuration, but still network is down for > virtual machine. > I donot understand what is the reason. > > But when I go to "C:\Programs\VMware\Manage Virtual Networks" , in the > "Host Virtual Network Mapping", > for VMnet0(Bridged, when I changed it to "3COM 3C920 Integrated Fast > Ethernet Controller" instaed of > "Bridged to an automatically chosen adapter" . Then network is up for > virtual machine. > I cam ping any other machine on the network from virtual machine or ping > virtual machine from any > other machine on the network. I can ftp to any other machine on the > network, but not the reverse. When I tried > to ftp to the virtual machine, I get an error "Connection Refused" . > What may be the problem? > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Anderson [mailto:erik@andersonfam.org] > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 3:39 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking > > > Sounds like it is indeed set up correctly. If you want the VM to be a > "separate entity" on the network, bridged networking is the way to go. > The reason that redhat comes up with an AMD network card is because > VMware emulates that AMD card in its virtual machine. > > You should be able to the network in redhat to use either DHCP or static > > (depending on your network environment) and it should work fine... > > -Erik > > Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > >>Hi, >>I am running VMWorkstation 4 on my Dell Latitude C610 laptop. >>The host OS is Windows 2000. I have installed Red Hat Linux 8.0 >>as guest OS on the virtual machine. >> >>When I see in the C:\Programs\VMware\Manage Vitual Networks, in the > > tab > >>- Host Virtual Network Mapping, >>I see that VMnet0(Bridged) is set to "Bridged to an automatically > > chosen > >>adapter". >>My NIC is 3COM sC920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller. >> >>When I power on my virtual machine, it boots the RedHat Linux 8.0 and >>after logging in, >>I found that network is not setup. >> >>When I run the network configuration tool, I see that the device eth0 > > is > >>pointed >>to the hardware device 'AMD PCnet32'. >> >>Why the virtual machine is not setup for networking? I would like to >>setup in such a way that >>the physical network sees the virtual machine as a separate machine. >>Virtual machine should have >>separate IP address . Any other machine on the physical network should >>be able to communicate with >>the virtual machine, for example ftp to virtual machine from any other >>host. >> >>How can I do this? Someone please help me in configuring to achieve >>this? Any good sources on this VMware Networking? >>Any sort of help is greatly appreciated. >> >>Thanks in advance... >> >>Pradeep >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com Mon Apr 14 15:34:27 2003 From: Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com (Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking Message-ID: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA19420ED6@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Hi, I am running VMWorkstation 4 on my Dell Latitude C610 laptop. The host OS is Windows 2000. I have installed Red Hat Linux 8.0 as guest OS on the virtual machine. When I see in the C:\Programs\VMware\Manage Vitual Networks, in the tab - Host Virtual Network Mapping, I see that VMnet0(Bridged) is set to "Bridged to an automatically chosen adapter". My NIC is 3COM sC920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller. When I power on my virtual machine, it boots the RedHat Linux 8.0 and after logging in, I found that network is not setup. When I run the network configuration tool, I see that the device eth0 is pointed to the hardware device 'AMD PCnet32'. Why the virtual machine is not setup for networking? I would like to setup in such a way that the physical network sees the virtual machine as a separate machine. Virtual machine should have separate IP address . Any other machine on the physical network should be able to communicate with the virtual machine, for example ftp to virtual machine from any other host. How can I do this? Someone please help me in configuring to achieve this? Any good sources on this VMware Networking? Any sort of help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance... Pradeep _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Mon Apr 14 16:02:48 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] download manager In-Reply-To: <200304141107.12219@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3E987059.8000302@gac.edu> <200304141107.12219@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3E9B21F8.3080107@gac.edu> yeah. I haven't had good luck satisfying it's dependencies. I guess, to clarify, what I'm looking for is a download accelerator for linux. justin Bob Tanner wrote: > On Saturday 12 April 2003 03:00 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > >>I'm looking for a good download manager (for linux). Kget works >>alright, but I'm trying to find something that can switch download >>locations during the download. Segmented downloading would also be >>nice. Recommendations? > > > Did you look at kbear? > > http://apps.kde.com/rf/2/latest > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Apr 14 15:00:18 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smbmount and XP problems Message-ID: Doug, You might need to apply this windows registry edit to the XP box to get it to work. http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/docs/Registry/WinXP_SignOrSeal.reg Good luck, Troy >>> dcoats@heritagemail.org 04/14/03 12:26PM >>> Recently I needed to upgraded to XP from Win98 to run an XP native phone system program. Before that I had programmed our RH 7.1 Server to use smbmount to copy a backup of our file server to my machine at a set time and then unmount when done. This worked great before I had to upgrade. If I share a directory in XP with simple sharing off so that I can set the permissions so that only I have access to the backup Samba does not seem to complete the mount correctly. It locked up the entire file system and would only show this smbmount as the only mounted partition but you could not write to it. Here is the script. smbmount //Computername/abackup /root/backup -o username=XP&Sambaname password=XP&Sambapassword filename=H3`date +"%m_%d_%y"` /sbin/dump -0M -B 1150976 -f /root/backup/$filename /home smbumount /root/backup If anyone has any insights I would be very grateful for you assistance. Thanks, Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Mon Apr 14 15:39:16 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare workstation - Networking In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA19420ED6@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA19420ED6@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <3E9B1C74.1010202@andersonfam.org> Sounds like it is indeed set up correctly. If you want the VM to be a "separate entity" on the network, bridged networking is the way to go. The reason that redhat comes up with an AMD network card is because VMware emulates that AMD card in its virtual machine. You should be able to the network in redhat to use either DHCP or static (depending on your network environment) and it should work fine... -Erik Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > Hi, > I am running VMWorkstation 4 on my Dell Latitude C610 laptop. > The host OS is Windows 2000. I have installed Red Hat Linux 8.0 > as guest OS on the virtual machine. > > When I see in the C:\Programs\VMware\Manage Vitual Networks, in the tab > - Host Virtual Network Mapping, > I see that VMnet0(Bridged) is set to "Bridged to an automatically chosen > adapter". > My NIC is 3COM sC920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller. > > When I power on my virtual machine, it boots the RedHat Linux 8.0 and > after logging in, > I found that network is not setup. > > When I run the network configuration tool, I see that the device eth0 is > pointed > to the hardware device 'AMD PCnet32'. > > Why the virtual machine is not setup for networking? I would like to > setup in such a way that > the physical network sees the virtual machine as a separate machine. > Virtual machine should have > separate IP address . Any other machine on the physical network should > be able to communicate with > the virtual machine, for example ftp to virtual machine from any other > host. > > How can I do this? Someone please help me in configuring to achieve > this? Any good sources on this VMware Networking? > Any sort of help is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance... > > Pradeep > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at jentges.net Mon Apr 14 14:36:49 2003 From: mj at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smbmount and XP problems In-Reply-To: References: <200304141107.12219@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <2208.199.199.150.6.1050349009.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Hi, I've not had to mess with XP at all yet, (whew) but I had my share of joy with the little 'quirks' win2k threw at samba. No doubt, XP has more/different ones yet. I think MS calls it "security". Silly name for over-engineering, IMHO. Anyhow, if you're not there already, make sure you've got the latest Samba. You might also check their site for up to date info. IIRC, they offer samba in RPM format as well. Best of luck, -mj And hence AUTHOR spewed: Pastor Doug Coats > Recently I needed to upgraded to XP from Win98 to run an XP native phone > system program. Before that I had programmed our RH 7.1 Server to use > smbmount to copy a backup of our file server to my machine at a set time > and then unmount when done. This worked great before I had to upgrade. > > If I share a directory in XP with simple sharing off so that I can set > the permissions so that only I have access to the backup Samba does not > seem to complete the mount correctly. It locked up the entire file > system and would only show this smbmount as the only mounted partition > but you could not write to it. > > Here is the script. > > smbmount //Computername/abackup /root/backup -o username=XP&Sambaname > password=XP&Sambapassword > > filename=H3`date +"%m_%d_%y"` > > /sbin/dump -0M -B 1150976 -f /root/backup/$filename /home > > smbumount /root/backup > > > If anyone has any insights I would be very grateful for you assistance. > > Thanks, > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Apr 14 13:52:16 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday Message-ID: --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, April 18, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Gluek's 16 North 6th Street Minneapolis, Minnesota 55403 --- snip --- As always, more information is available at http://beer.tclug.org . If anyone has suggestions for future Beer Meeting locations, email me off-list. Hope to see you there! (tm) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Mon Apr 14 13:08:30 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] APM under Mandrake 9.1... Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDEE1@mail.temgweb.com> With ACPI, klaptop does not work. Apparently the layout of the /proc info has changed, and klaptop has not been fixed yet. I'm still using APM on my Mandrake laptop because of it. > -----Original Message----- > From: rpgoldman@real-time.com [mailto:rpgoldman@real-time.com] > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 7:33 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] APM under Mandrake 9.1... > > > Munir Nassar writes: > > On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Keith wrote: > > > > > How do I install the APM on my system, and how do I use > it? Links to > > > resources work as well, as long as they're set up for a > newbie like me. > > > (never compiled or anything...literal newbie...) > > > > there should be an apm rpm which includes an apm binary, > and it is usually > > installed be default, on newer systems you may have a acpi rpm, > > > > ACPI is apm++ > > I don't believe that acpi is installed by default on 9.1. You must > also add a kernel option to get the support (look at /etc/lilo.conf: > you should find a list of alternative boot options. they'll all have > some kernel options (append=foo=on,bar=off, etc.). Make sure there's > acpi=on there.) > > R > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 14 11:07:12 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] download manager In-Reply-To: <3E987059.8000302@gac.edu> References: <3E987059.8000302@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200304141107.12219@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Saturday 12 April 2003 03:00 pm, Justin Haaheim wrote: > I'm looking for a good download manager (for linux). Kget works > alright, but I'm trying to find something that can switch download > locations during the download. Segmented downloading would also be > nice. Recommendations? Did you look at kbear? http://apps.kde.com/rf/2/latest -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Tue Apr 15 18:17:05 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDEEF@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDEEF@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <1050448624.20189.6.camel@hackel.hn.org> On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 11:51, Austad, Jay wrote: > Your font server is not running. /etc/init.d/xfs start (if you have redhat > or mandrake, not sure on other distros) People still actually use external font servers? But why? What's the point? Unless you're still on xf3 for some silly reason; I'm just not aware of any apparent benefits. Anyone care to enlighten me? -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Apr 15 19:03:31 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL and LOTS of processes References: <200304151050.15452.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <008d01c303ab$9df13ef0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Jay Kline writes: > I am running a mysql server that recently has a huge increase in > use.. that is to say I need more than the default 100 > max_connections. I tried using As the manual states, max_connections must be set before MySQL is started. Put the variable in your my.cnf file, usually in /etc/my.cnf. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 15 18:51:05 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3/ogg juke box In-Reply-To: <200304151827.55195.wilson@visi.com> References: <1050392289.17676.7.camel@tati.confundido.net> <16028.19275.119180.25594@tsathoggua.mydomain> <200304151827.55195.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > I'm with you. I think the SLIMP3 looks really great and I plan on buying > one soon. (http://www.slimp3.com/) Hrmm.. if it was 10/100, and played Vorbis (or even if it just played Vorbis), I'd think about it.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Apr 15 21:26:09 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3/ogg juke box References: <1050392289.17676.7.camel@tati.confundido.net> <200304151827.55195.wilson@visi.com> <200304151922.50230.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <001001c303bf$8acfd8e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> natecars@real-time.com writes: > It'd work without having to worry if I'm plugging it into the 10/100 > part of my network or the straight 100mbit part. :) What switches don't support 10mbit devices? -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 15 22:46:57 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yahoo messenger and gaim? In-Reply-To: <200304090707.27316.sysadmin@sysadmin.ods.org> References: <16019.19852.167011.998545@tsathoggua.mydomain> <200304081939.47686.list@slushpupie.com> <200304090707.27316.sysadmin@sysadmin.ods.org> Message-ID: <200304152246.57388@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 09 April 2003 05:23 pm, Elvedin wrote: > Yeah, Gaim .60 is very nice. It has some new features and comes with great > plugins. You know, Yahoo did release their own client for Linux. Try that > instead of Gaim. That's the only way you'll know you have a client that > works with "the new" Yahoo protocol. > > On Tuesday 08 April 2003 19:39, Jay Kline wrote: > > Check what version you are using. Gaim had a run of a few versions that > > were broke for Yahoo. Latest is 0.60- based on GTK+2.0 and is very nice. > > Yahoo works for me on it. I have to say I'm very impressed kopete. http://kopete.kde.org/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Apr 16 00:00:37 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware users list Message-ID: <37725.192.168.0.3.1050469237.squirrel@192.168.0.3> Ok, Maybe it's just too late, but I'm wondering if there is a good slackware users list? I tried www.slackware.com, but they only seem to host announcement lists. I have a strange problem with the pportide.i bootdisk with some crappy parallel port CDROM that I'm trying to use to install slackware 9.0 that I'm sure some slackware guru could help me with. Any sugestions? Josh Trutwin http://trutwins.homeip.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Apr 16 00:21:27 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware users list In-Reply-To: <37725.192.168.0.3.1050469237.squirrel@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: Slackware has a forum (last I checked) on their website - that seemed to be the best place to ask questions. To my knowledge there's no official slackware-users mailing list, just an announce list. On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Ok, > > Maybe it's just too late, but I'm wondering if there is a good slackware > users list? I tried www.slackware.com, but they only seem to host > announcement lists. I have a strange problem with the pportide.i bootdisk > with some crappy parallel port CDROM that I'm trying to use to install > slackware 9.0 that I'm sure some slackware guru could help me with. > > Any sugestions? > > Josh Trutwin > http://trutwins.homeip.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Apr 16 00:30:08 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware users list In-Reply-To: References: <37725.192.168.0.3.1050469237.squirrel@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: <37870.192.168.0.3.1050471008.squirrel@192.168.0.3> > Slackware has a forum (last I checked) on their website - that seemed to > be the best place to ask questions. To my knowledge there's no official > slackware-users mailing list, just an announce list. http://www.slackware.com/forum appears down at the moment, I'll check tomorrow. Maybe I'll just fork out $20 for a cheap IDE CDROM drive... Thx, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From letterj at phpgeek.com Tue Apr 15 23:06:33 2003 From: letterj at phpgeek.com (letterj@phpgeek.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3/ogg juke box In-Reply-To: <16028.46202.955859.50297@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <1050392289.17676.7.camel@tati.confundido.net> <16028.19275.119180.25594@tsathoggua.mydomain> <200304151827.55195.wilson@visi.com> <16028.46202.955859.50297@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20771.24.118.94.24.1050465993.squirrel@www.phpgeek.com> Microcenter in St. Louis Park has a D-link wireless bridge for $60 after rebate. Not that it eliminates the pain, but it does lessen it. > natecars@real-time.com writes: > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > > > I'm with you. I think the SLIMP3 looks really great and I plan on > buying one soon. (http://www.slimp3.com/) > > > > Hrmm.. if it was 10/100, and played Vorbis (or even if it just played > Vorbis), I'd think about it.. > > Actually, if it did 802.11b, I'd have already ordered it! I'm bummed > that I'll have to spend another $80-100 to plug it into an > ethernet->802.11b converter. > R > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 15 23:42:29 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3/ogg juke box In-Reply-To: <001001c303bf$8acfd8e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1050392289.17676.7.camel@tati.confundido.net> <200304151827.55195.wilson@visi.com> <200304151922.50230.wilson@visi.com> <001001c303bf$8acfd8e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, David Phillips wrote: > What switches don't support 10mbit devices? I've got a few straight 100mbit hubs.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 15 22:49:20 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde stuff in non-kde environs In-Reply-To: <200304151529.31533.list@slushpupie.com> References: <200304151529.31533.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <200304152249.20655@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 15 April 2003 03:29 pm, Jay Kline wrote: > I know that kde applications run in non kde envionments just fine, but I > cant find a way to call the logout features from outside kde. What I want, > is to have other window managers have the ability to use the kde features, > such as tell kdm to shut down, or start a new session. > > Jay Look at dcopclient -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Apr 15 20:40:10 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3/ogg juke box In-Reply-To: References: <1050392289.17676.7.camel@tati.confundido.net> <16028.19275.119180.25594@tsathoggua.mydomain> <200304151827.55195.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <16028.46202.955859.50297@tsathoggua.mydomain> natecars@real-time.com writes: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > > I'm with you. I think the SLIMP3 looks really great and I plan on buying > > one soon. (http://www.slimp3.com/) > > Hrmm.. if it was 10/100, and played Vorbis (or even if it just played > Vorbis), I'd think about it.. Actually, if it did 802.11b, I'd have already ordered it! I'm bummed that I'll have to spend another $80-100 to plug it into an ethernet->802.11b converter. R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Tue Apr 15 19:22:50 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3/ogg juke box In-Reply-To: References: <1050392289.17676.7.camel@tati.confundido.net> <200304151827.55195.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <200304151922.50230.wilson@visi.com> On Tuesday 15 April 2003 18:51, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > Hrmm.. if it was 10/100, and played Vorbis (or even if it just played > Vorbis), I'd think about it.. Yes, I know what you mean about ogg support. I wouldn't be surprised to see it included in a future version pretty soon. As far as the network speed goes, what good would 100mbit be for streaming mp3's? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 15 19:54:47 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3/ogg juke box In-Reply-To: <200304151922.50230.wilson@visi.com> References: <1050392289.17676.7.camel@tati.confundido.net> <200304151827.55195.wilson@visi.com> <200304151922.50230.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > Yes, I know what you mean about ogg support. I wouldn't be surprised to > see it included in a future version pretty soon. Actually, RTFM'ing, they do sorta support it -- the server decodes the ogg and reencodes it as MP3 and sends it on. Not a clean way of doing it, though.. I have a feeling they are just using a MP#-specific decoder chip, so they can't add it in the hardware. > As far as the network speed goes, what good would 100mbit be for > streaming mp3's? It'd work without having to worry if I'm plugging it into the 10/100 part of my network or the straight 100mbit part. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Tue Apr 15 18:27:55 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3/ogg juke box In-Reply-To: <16028.19275.119180.25594@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <1050392289.17676.7.camel@tati.confundido.net> <16028.19275.119180.25594@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <200304151827.55195.wilson@visi.com> On Tuesday 15 April 2003 13:11, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Me, I'm probably going to abandon this attempt, and just buy slimp3 and > serve up tracks. I looked into building my own box, but I don't see > how I'd save money over slimp3, even if I value my hourly effort at > $0. I'm with you. I think the SLIMP3 looks really great and I plan on buying one soon. (http://www.slimp3.com/) -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From burns at runbox.com Tue Apr 15 18:34:55 2003 From: burns at runbox.com (Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keysigning, Saturday, Apr 26, Maybe Message-ID: <20030415233455.4336.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 2251 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030415/74d5dd64/attachment.bin From chewbaka at toughguy.net Fri Apr 4 09:18:31 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] msn messenger In-Reply-To: <2083.66.103.175.2.1049469511.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <2083.66.103.175.2.1049469511.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <13563075467.20030404091831@toughguy.net> Friday, April 4, 2003 @ 9:18:09 AM Central Standard Time Note: This is part of the Guide for Network Administrators. It is not intended for end users. As a network administrator, you can improve the way the people on your local area network connect to instant messaging services. Windows Messenger will connect users on a local area network to instant messaging services by using the same connection that their default browser uses-if it can find no other way. Connecting like this limits the functionality of Windows Messenger mainly to sending instant messages and seeing who is online. For your network users to enjoy the best performance and full functionality-including transferring files-you may be able to configure your proxy servers in a way that enables them to connect directly to the instant messaging servers. For instant messaging To allow your network users to have a direct connection to instant messaging services, you will need to: a.. Open outgoing TCP connections to Port 1863 on your proxy servers. b.. Let your network users know which kind of proxy server your network uses (HTTP, SOCKS4, or SOCKS5) and provide them with the corresponding details (server name, port number, and so forth) so they can enter that information on the Connection tab of the Options dialog box (Tools, Options). c.. Make sure the internal local area network has access to the Domain Name System (DNS) servers to resolve the names of external hosts such as messenger.msn.com. For file transfer Both incoming and outgoing TCP connections use this range of ports: 6891 to 6900. This allows up to 10 simultaneous file transfers per sender. If you open only Port 6891, users will be able to do only one file transfer at a time. The TCP ports need to be configured so that sockets on a port remain open for extended periods of time. Note File transfer may not work if you are behind a network address translation (NAT) device. Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net ********************************************************* Friday, April 4, 2003, 9:18:31 AM, you wrote: RN> I must be missing something. Does anyone know what changes I need to make RN> in squid and IPchains to allow msn messenger chat? We have all users RN> running through our squid box as a gateway, which also has dansguardian on RN> it, but that should not be interfering with things, right? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Fri Apr 4 22:33:05 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20030405040630.30261.qmail@linuxmail.org> References: <20030405040630.30261.qmail@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <200304042233.05924.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Friday 04 April 2003 10:06 pm, dare t wrote: > http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/774/ > > pretty good read, maybe he is right Or maybe's he's just a troll with poorly crafted strawmen for arguments. Does he defend his assertions? Does he provide some data to back up his points? Oh, no, he's too busy whipping himself into rightous indignation to bother with piddly things like that. > "The plethora of Free Software applications available today, none working > perfectly, is a problem which stands in the way of major adoption of Linux > on the desktop. In order to conquer the desktop, we have to stand united. " Likewise, the plethora of Windows software, none working perfectly, is standing in the way of major adoption of Windows. Oh, wait, I guess not. The desktop is a high-inertia area, and there are lots of factors (including MS's illegal monopoly and the near impossibility of getting any other OS, other than Windows, from a major OEM) involved. A few years ago, there wasn't enough Free software to conquer the desktop. Now, according to this brilliant analysis, there's too much. Logically, therefore, we must have hit the sweet spot of just the right amount of software somewhere along the way. Oh, why couldn't he have spoken sooner, before we entered the "plethora" zone??? Furthermore, his scenario is just idle fantasy. Telling the FOSS community what they should and should not do is like herding cats. Impossible. The community's strength lies in its ability to go in multiple directions simultanously. That's how it's been, that's how it's going to be. If this guy doesn't like it, he can go back to Windows, where everything will be nicely spoonfed to him. Why Freshmeat published this guy (and gave him a t-shirt--geez, I could write better than that if they offered me a shirt!) is beyond me. Maybe they needed some page hits for OSDN. Nothing like a troll (and getting posted to /.) to raise those page hits. :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Apr 4 10:22:47 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] msn messenger References: Message-ID: <002601c2fac6$719cb840$823edccc@lctn.org> > Basically, you want to make sure that connections to port 1863 are *not* > being routed out to the proxy server, and just masquerade it at your > firewall. If you don't have a masquerading firewall, I am using redhat 7.1 OS. with Ipchains 1.3.10. ( no masquerading), As I mentioned all users are using the proxy box for a gateway, and using port 8080 for http traffic (dans). I had added port 1863 in IPchains before posting (-A ipput -s 0/0 -d 0/0 1863 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT). In this case would the user need to set up proxy portion of msn, or should it just go through? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Apr 5 08:18:05 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freshmeat article In-Reply-To: <60495.134.129.160.107.1049521791.squirrel@therub.org> References: <20030405040630.30261.qmail@linuxmail.org> <200304042233.05924.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <60495.134.129.160.107.1049521791.squirrel@therub.org> Message-ID: <1049552284.1217.18.camel@orlando> I think the article had a point but it also missed an important one. One of the things that makes Linux great is evolution. Not the email client I'm using to type this, but survival of the fittest. On Windows people tend to use whatever package has the biggest marketing dept and I suspect a lot of software has stagnated because of it. On the other hand there is a lot of wasted effort on duplicate projects because people want the ego boost of heading a project. Brady > I agree with the article 100%. The community needs to focus, not scatter. > Yes, it is like herding cats, but nonetheless, stuff needs to work! > Nobody develops for linux (commercially), becaues it is a nightmare! At > least on windows, you have a standard development base to build from. > > Linux has many advantages, but it would be nice from a development and a > user perspective if the community could agree to some standards, instead > of reinventing the wheel each time around. > > Dan > > > On Friday 04 April 2003 10:06 pm, dare t wrote: > >> http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/774/ > >> > >> pretty good read, maybe he is right > > Or maybe's he's just a troll with poorly crafted strawmen for arguments. > > Does > > he defend his assertions? Does he provide some data to back up his points? > > Oh, no, he's too busy whipping himself into rightous indignation to bother > > with piddly things like that. > > > >> "The plethora of Free Software applications available today, none > >> working > >> perfectly, is a problem which stands in the way of major adoption of > >> Linux > >> on the desktop. In order to conquer the desktop, we have to stand > >> united. " > > Likewise, the plethora of Windows software, none working perfectly, is > > standing in the way of major adoption of Windows. Oh, wait, I guess not. > > The desktop is a high-inertia area, and there are lots of factors > > (including > > MS's illegal monopoly and the near impossibility of getting any other OS, > > other than Windows, from a major OEM) involved. A few years ago, there > > wasn't > > enough Free software to conquer the desktop. Now, according to this > > brilliant > > analysis, there's too much. Logically, therefore, we must have hit the > > sweet > > spot of just the right amount of software somewhere along the way. Oh, why > > couldn't he have spoken sooner, before we entered the "plethora" zone??? > > Furthermore, his scenario is just idle fantasy. Telling the FOSS > > community > > what they should and should not do is like herding cats. Impossible. The > > community's strength lies in its ability to go in multiple directions > > simultanously. That's how it's been, that's how it's going to be. If this > > guy > > doesn't like it, he can go back to Windows, where everything will be > > nicely > > spoonfed to him. > > Why Freshmeat published this guy (and gave him a t-shirt--geez, I could > > write > > better than that if they offered me a shirt!) is beyond me. Maybe they > > needed > > some page hits for OSDN. Nothing like a troll (and getting posted to /.) > > to > > raise those page hits. > > :Peter > > -- > > Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at skuld.homelinux.org Fri Apr 4 23:55:59 2003 From: chewie at skuld.homelinux.org (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: CLIP YOUR REPLIES (was Re: [TCLUG] Freshmeat article) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 04 Apr 2003 23:49:51 CST." <60495.134.129.160.107.1049521791.squirrel@therub.org> References: <20030405040630.30261.qmail@linuxmail.org> <200304042233.05924.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <60495.134.129.160.107.1049521791.squirrel@therub.org> Message-ID: <20030405055559.4A86460C8E@wookimus.net> > ... snip > > ... snip > >> ... snip > > ... snip > >> ... snip > > ... snip > ... snip Lots of snipping here... CLIP YOUR REPLIES. Thank you. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Sat Apr 5 07:56:54 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freshmeat.net Article In-Reply-To: <20030405051039.BCBDB60C15@wookimus.net> References: <20030405040630.30261.qmail@linuxmail.org> <20030405051039.BCBDB60C15@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200304050756.54957.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Friday 04 April 2003 11:10 pm, Chad Walstrom wrote: > This is not the best quote of the article, nor was most of his article > needed. The following paragraph is all that you really need to know: > > Please stop developing and using some obscure > application when there are better alternatives. Not > happy with them? Fix what's wrong, or if everything > looks wrong, work at separating the functionality > into a UI-independent library, then develop your own > graphical interface. Reusing and improving existing > code, not making your own, is the way. Drop the > "not made here" syndrome and your 15 minutes of fame > on freshmeat when making the announcement, and unite > with the rest of the community. I can agree with most of this. Yes, NIH is a problem, but only in the sense that it takes a little more research. Ok, so we've got a couple of movie players. A little research will quickly whittle that down to two: mplayer and xine. And since it's Free software, you can try both and see which one you prefer. But the rest of the article, I re-assert, is a troll. I mean, come on, everyone should use GTK+, because QT has "licensing problems"[1]? This is also funny, because he contradicts himself with what he said above about only two desktops. What's KDE going to do, recode itself in GTK? Most KDE developers would rather drink antifreeze than port KDE to GTK. :) He also completely misses the fact that while Linux on the server side is gaining ground, it also suffers from NIH, same as on the desktop side. Freshmeat's "HTTP servers" section has 329 projects! Including, on the first twenty hits, an http server in PHP, the AOL server, and several that claim to be "small and secure."[2] The reason that NIH doesn't effect server-side Linux as much is because the best projects have gotten the most word of mouth. Why? Probably becaus they're just that--the best. They've risen to the top, and now everyone knows what to use. You can't herd cats, and you can't stop teenagers from thinking that they can code the l33test program on the face of the earth. Sorry. Deal with it. I prefer it that way then having some megacorp dictate where I want to go today. :Peter [1] The sure sign of a GNOME troll, who claim that QT is bad because you have to pay to make non-Free programs. And this is bad...how? [2] http://freshmeat.net/browse/250/?topic_id=250 -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at skuld.homelinux.org Fri Apr 4 23:15:58 2003 From: chewie at skuld.homelinux.org (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freshmeat.net Article In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Clark of "Fri, 04 Apr 2003 22:33:05 CST." <200304042233.05924.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <20030405040630.30261.qmail@linuxmail.org> <200304042233.05924.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20030405051558.1931160C15@wookimus.net> Peter Clark wrote: > Or maybe's he's just a troll with poorly crafted strawmen for > arguments . This was my first reaction to the article. Again, when you cut the cruft and get down to the meat of the article, he's really just trying to get people to try improving software before reinventing it. It's not a bad message. A better title for the article would be, "Fight NIH! Squish a Bug!" > Why Freshmeat published this guy ... is beyond me. Maybe they needed > some page hits for OSDN. This I don't doubt. It's certainly gained the attention it was crafted for. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Fri Apr 4 23:49:51 2003 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freshmeat article In-Reply-To: <200304042233.05924.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <20030405040630.30261.qmail@linuxmail.org> <200304042233.05924.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <60495.134.129.160.107.1049521791.squirrel@therub.org> I agree with the article 100%. The community needs to focus, not scatter. Yes, it is like herding cats, but nonetheless, stuff needs to work! Nobody develops for linux (commercially), becaues it is a nightmare! At least on windows, you have a standard development base to build from. Linux has many advantages, but it would be nice from a development and a user perspective if the community could agree to some standards, instead of reinventing the wheel each time around. Dan > On Friday 04 April 2003 10:06 pm, dare t wrote: >> http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/774/ >> >> pretty good read, maybe he is right > Or maybe's he's just a troll with poorly crafted strawmen for arguments. > Does > he defend his assertions? Does he provide some data to back up his points? > Oh, no, he's too busy whipping himself into rightous indignation to bother > with piddly things like that. > >> "The plethora of Free Software applications available today, none >> working >> perfectly, is a problem which stands in the way of major adoption of >> Linux >> on the desktop. In order to conquer the desktop, we have to stand >> united. " > Likewise, the plethora of Windows software, none working perfectly, is > standing in the way of major adoption of Windows. Oh, wait, I guess not. > The desktop is a high-inertia area, and there are lots of factors > (including > MS's illegal monopoly and the near impossibility of getting any other OS, > other than Windows, from a major OEM) involved. A few years ago, there > wasn't > enough Free software to conquer the desktop. Now, according to this > brilliant > analysis, there's too much. Logically, therefore, we must have hit the > sweet > spot of just the right amount of software somewhere along the way. Oh, why > couldn't he have spoken sooner, before we entered the "plethora" zone??? > Furthermore, his scenario is just idle fantasy. Telling the FOSS > community > what they should and should not do is like herding cats. Impossible. The > community's strength lies in its ability to go in multiple directions > simultanously. That's how it's been, that's how it's going to be. If this > guy > doesn't like it, he can go back to Windows, where everything will be > nicely > spoonfed to him. > Why Freshmeat published this guy (and gave him a t-shirt--geez, I could > write > better than that if they offered me a shirt!) is beyond me. Maybe they > needed > some page hits for OSDN. Nothing like a troll (and getting posted to /.) > to > raise those page hits. > :Peter > -- > Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at skuld.homelinux.org Fri Apr 4 23:10:39 2003 From: chewie at skuld.homelinux.org (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freshmeat.net Article In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 05 Apr 2003 12:06:30 +0800." <20030405040630.30261.qmail@linuxmail.org> References: <20030405040630.30261.qmail@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <20030405051039.BCBDB60C15@wookimus.net> "dare t" wrote: > http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/774/ > "The plethora of Free Software applications ... is a problem... In > order to conquer the desktop, we have to stand united. " This is not the best quote of the article, nor was most of his article needed. The following paragraph is all that you really need to know: Please stop developing and using some obscure application when there are better alternatives. Not happy with them? Fix what's wrong, or if everything looks wrong, work at separating the functionality into a UI-independent library, then develop your own graphical interface. Reusing and improving existing code, not making your own, is the way. Drop the "not made here" syndrome and your 15 minutes of fame on freshmeat when making the announcement, and unite with the rest of the community. Starting a new project is a good way to learn to develop software, but you can also learn by doing bugfixing, unit testing, and development of new features and optimizations of existing applications. Sourceforge should start removing projects with less than 1% activity for the last six months (every week, they could propose several projects to be removed, and allow a month for the activity to increase). His directive to the newbie programmer acolyte is to add by augmenting and improving that which is there, not to reinvent the wheel yet again. I disagree with how he structured this article, but the message is useful. Yes, I agree. He is right. I hope he's leading by example. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Apr 4 12:18:38 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Processor affinity with Linux References: <200304041053.29947.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <003501c2fad6$9d30ed90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Tim Wilson writes: > It appears the 2.4 kernels have no built-in system for assigning > particular processes to certain processors. Is it possible, then, to > do what the above FAQ recommends on Linux? The 2.4 kernel does not support manual setting of processor affinity. It shouldn't matter much, since the kernel is (theoretically) smart about scheduling. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From daret at linuxmail.org Fri Apr 4 22:06:30 2003 From: daret at linuxmail.org (dare t) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <20030405040630.30261.qmail@linuxmail.org> http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/774/ pretty good read, maybe he is right "The plethora of Free Software applications available today, none working perfectly, is a problem which stands in the way of major adoption of Linux on the desktop. In order to conquer the desktop, we have to stand united. " -- ______________________________________________ http://www.linuxmail.org/ Now with e-mail forwarding for only US$5.95/yr Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri Apr 4 10:53:29 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Processor affinity with Linux Message-ID: <200304041053.29947.wilson@visi.com> Hey everyone, I was looking at installing two instances of the folding@Home client on my new dual-proc server. (See http://folding.stanford.edu/ for more info about the folding@Home distributed computing project.) Here's the relevant part of the f@H FAQ: --snip-- Does Folding@home run on dual processor machines? Yes, you can. Additional processors must run the console version (with the "-local" command-line argument if run on Windows). First, make additional directories for each processor and copy the FAH3Console executable file into each. Then configure them with the -config switch, filling in settings for each. It is very important to make sure that under the "Advanced Settings" option each copy is given a unique machine ID (from 1 to 4). The first copy will default to a machine ID of 1, so additional copies should be given IDs of 2, 3 and 4. Each may then be run out of their installed directory, using the -local switch on windows. Instances should be attached to different processors, using whatever mechanism your OS provides for this purpose (e.g. Task Manager on Windows). --snip-- It appears the 2.4 kernels have no built-in system for assigning particular processes to certain processors. Is it possible, then, to do what the above FAQ recommends on Linux? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 19:22:53 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] a long read In-Reply-To: <200304160841.AA127402034@mail.iglide.net> References: <200304160841.AA127402034@mail.iglide.net> Message-ID: <3E9DF3DD.4070008@real-time.com> Wil wrote: > This is the first time I've seen an article so well documented and > cross-referenced on the subject matter. All to often (IMHO) when > someone flames M$ it's just that - flaming for flaming's sake - > but usually is based on opinions and first-hand information. This > goes well beyond a simple 'slam them because, well, they're them' > article and presents issues even the Redmond-faithful have to give > respect to. I won't reveal more, other than to say it is a lengthy > read to get thru it all. And that most of the ones that read this > list might enjoy. > > http://aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html I'm about 2/3 of the way through the article, and it is outstanding! Not only great information written for non-technical people, but plenty of fodder for my .sig ;-) Thanks for posting it, Wil. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "If we wanted you to understand it, we wouldn't call it code." _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Wed Apr 16 18:38:07 2003 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle In-Reply-To: <20030416223820.GY18770@real-time.com> References: <20030416223820.GY18770@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1050536287.3248.8.camel@ix.norsemen.org> On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 17:38, Amy Tanner wrote: > We have an oracle database which I'd like to move to an open-source > database. Based on talking with the DBA, we have less than 100 Oracle > pl/sql packages. Which database would be easiest to migrate to? Are > there migration utilities to make this easier? > > Anyone else tackled this? Migration, no. Multiple databases, yes. Actually, the DDL between Oracle and MySQL are very similiar and I had very little problem with that. About the only thing I had to abandon is the foreign-key references. How do you plan to re-implement the Oracle PL/SQL? You are out of luck with MySQL. Can somebody comment on PostGres? There are tools available such as SQLPorter. As always, Google is your friend. (MySQL Oracle Migration tool or Postgress Oracle Migration tool). Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Wed Apr 16 17:32:03 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E9DD9E3.1030702@netzero.net> > It's definitely useful for LTSP [1]. > What? No one else is running LTSP at home? ; Ehem. Suuure! Everyone needs LTSP at home, just to sit all those trained monkeys that work on the Shakespear project! Heh, here's an idea: if one has neither the option nor the will to run 20 machines at home, would do you say to running LTSP via vmware? This of course, is provided you're not doing this for self education running only 1 or 2 clients. ;) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chuckeal at attbi.com Wed Apr 16 18:31:35 2003 From: chuckeal at attbi.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-Burning Question References: <20030416171043.29bddd70.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <005e01c30470$54334400$0200a8c0@w2kjoey> Have you tried WebCDwriter? It usesa web browser to connect to the Linux box. Chuck L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: [TCLUG] CD-Burning Question > I'm in the process of getting my CD-RW setup on my intranet server. What my intention to do is to have it usuable by anyone on the local network. However, those who would be using it don't know command line. Nor do they really desire to. I could teach them, but I'm looking for a different way that won't require an X-server to be installed to use the gui. > Here's my thoughts and what I'm trying to accomplish: > > Windows desktop systems are connected to the Linux server via Samba to various shares. One share would be called "CDimage" where they can drag and drop files to make the CD. Once the files are in place, click on an executable that would launch the cd creation process on the server. Wait a few minutes and it's done, or better yet send a message saying something along the lines that it's complete. > > Is this possible? If so, what would be the way to accomplish this? I have putty and pscp on each system, but don't know if that is the right way to accomplish it. Any ideas on how it can be done in this fashion? > > Thanks, > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Wed Apr 16 19:55:52 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Web poll admin In-Reply-To: <200304161821.26440@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <20030416175206.GA3606@fandre.com> <200304161821.26440@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030417005552.GA26023@isis.visi.com> On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 06:21:26PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Linux and sex have the following in common: > Speed > Size > Stability > Yes > None of the above Don't forget Price and Backwards Compatibility. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 4 10:28:02 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] msn messenger In-Reply-To: <002601c2fac6$719cb840$823edccc@lctn.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am using redhat 7.1 OS. with Ipchains 1.3.10. ( no masquerading), As > I mentioned all users are using the proxy box for a gateway, and using > port 8080 for http traffic (dans). I had added port 1863 in IPchains > before posting (-A ipput -s 0/0 -d 0/0 1863 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT). In > this case would the user need to set up proxy portion of msn, or > should it just go through? You'd need to configure the box to masquerade that port.. it's been a *long* time since I've used ipchains, but it'd be something like: -A INPUT -s 0/0 1863 -p tcp -y -j ACCEPT -A OUTPUT -d 0/0 1863 -p tcp -j ACCEPT -A FORWARD -s / -d 0/0 1863 -p tcp -j MASQ Again, those are rules for something I haven't touched in years, so it might be way off. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 17:53:26 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-Burning Question In-Reply-To: <20030416171043.29bddd70.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Shawn wrote: > Windows desktop systems are connected to the Linux server via Samba > to various shares. One share would be called "CDimage" where they can > drag and drop files to make the CD. Once the files are in place, > click on an executable that would launch the cd creation process on > the server. Wait a few minutes and it's done, or better yet send a > message saying something along the lines that it's complete. Could do it with a web server and custom cgi/php on the file server. Not secure, though. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 18:21:26 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Web poll admin In-Reply-To: <20030416175206.GA3606@fandre.com> References: <20030416175206.GA3606@fandre.com> Message-ID: <200304161821.26440@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 16 April 2003 12:52 pm, Clay Fandre wrote: > And since there might be more than one person interested, let's turn > this into a contest. The one that responds with the 5 best polls wins. I rate Clay's job as poll-master: Excellent Good Cowboy Neal has much better polls There's a poll on tclug? None of the above My favorite Linux game: Sokoban Myst Tux racer Port scanning War driving None of the above Linux and sex have the following in common: Speed Size Stability Yes None of the above -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Wed Apr 16 17:45:46 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-Burning Question In-Reply-To: <20030416171043.29bddd70.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030416171043.29bddd70.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: This is way possible, but I've never been able to figure out why someone would want to do this. If you want a CD burned, eventually you will have to walk over to the burner machine anyway. Why not just have a shared workstation that a user can go to and burn their CD? I'm sure I saw a package like that and I'lll look for it. Gerry On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Shawn wrote: > I'm in the process of getting my CD-RW setup on my intranet server. What > my intention to do is to have it usuable by anyone on the local network. > However, those who would be using it don't know command line. Nor do they > really desire to. I could teach them, but I'm looking for a different way > that won't require an X-server to be installed to use the gui. Here's my > thoughts and what I'm trying to accomplish: -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 17:38:20 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle Message-ID: <20030416223820.GY18770@real-time.com> We have an oracle database which I'd like to move to an open-source database. Based on talking with the DBA, we have less than 100 Oracle pl/sql packages. Which database would be easiest to migrate to? Are there migration utilities to make this easier? Anyone else tackled this? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wait > a few minutes and it's done, or better yet send a message saying something > along the lines that it's complete. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Apr 15 11:04:57 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smbmount and XP problems Message-ID: You do not need to use root and the root password to authenticate to the XP box (even though you must be root (typically) to mount the smb filesystem). You can use -U administrator%administratorpassword or any user that has full network access to that share. I think the smb filesystems attributes will controlled by 'mount' options, not the permissions on the directory mount point. I wish I had a XP machine (spit) so I could tell you exactly what to do, but I do not. >>> dcoats@heritagemail.org 04/15/03 10:41AM >>> The adventure continues... I created a user for root on my XP machine(everyone responds with horror at the lack of security - It is in a locked room). Now as root I can smbmount on to my XP machine. I can see and access the files in the mounted directory. And there was much rejoicing! I can even unmount it without permission problems. What I still can't do is write to it...I set the permissions for the directory on the server side to 775. On the XP side they are set to Allow Full Control. What else might still need to be changed? Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Apr 15 09:27:10 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3/ogg juke box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E9C16BE.7030207@andersonfam.org> Perry Hoekstra wrote: > You have had good luck with it? I have been fighting with the sound on > it. I never seem to be get sound out of the thing. Hmm. That's odd. I *did* struggle to get all the dependencies installed, but once I got them installed, there were no problems. I do admit, though, that I haven't tried jukebox's streaming system. I've only used it for "local" playback. It sounds like you are trying to use the streaming. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Wed Apr 16 17:19:33 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RH8.0, Postfix and Squirrelmail (Josh Trutwin) In-Reply-To: <1147.192.168.0.5.1050438767.squirrel@192.168.0.3> References: <1147.192.168.0.5.1050438767.squirrel@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: <3E9DD6F5.7010109@netzero.net> When I installed SM less than a year ago it required IMAP. Josh Trutwin wrote: >>I believed you could use a SMTP such as sendmail. I did not think that >>an IMAP was required? Correct me if Im wrong, but I think you should be >>able to use sendmail or postfix for that matter? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Apr 15 09:26:37 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH8.0, Postfix and Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <2078.192.168.0.5.1050413083.squirrel@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Josh Trutwin wrote: > You might actually have an IMAP server installed as I'd assume the > SquirrelMail RPM would require one. Maybe it's just not started? Not quite. Technically, Squirrelmail requires neither the SMTP nor IMAP server to be on the same machine as it. Oddly, though, the RPM seems to require /usr/sbin/sendmail -- which, ultimately, it doesn't need if it's using remote SMTP. Very curious, that. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Chrisopp7586 at netscape.net Mon Apr 7 19:32:50 2003 From: Chrisopp7586 at netscape.net (Chris Opp) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Message-ID: <191BE953.44CE5441.0FE98156@netscape.net> Hi- I have a problem with the good ol' X server. I've recieved the following error message: Error loading keymap /var/tmp/server.0.xkm couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-xkb keymap _FontTransSocketUnixConnect: Can't connect: erro = 111 failed to set default path 'unix/: -1' fatal server error could not open default font 'fixed' mach64programClkMach64CT: warning: Q < 10.66666667 x connection to :0.0 broken How can I fix this? Note: I'm using XFree86 version 3.3.6-14mdk, mandrake 7.1 I've looked hi and low, but haven't found any conclusive info unless I pay for it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Chris __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Apr 15 11:08:14 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL and LOTS of processes In-Reply-To: <200304151050.15452.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: Jay, I did this a few months ago in the my.cnf file: [mysqld] ... set-variable = max_connections=200 Restarted mysql and it worked fine. On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Jay Kline wrote: > I am running a mysql server that recently has a huge increase in use.. that > is to say I need more than the default 100 max_connections. I tried using > > SET GLOBAL max_connections=200; > > but that gives an SQL error. How do I bump this number up? > I am running this on a RH7.2 box with MySQL server mysql-server-3.23.54a-3.72 > > Jay > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhoglund at lssdata.com Tue Apr 15 10:58:08 2003 From: jhoglund at lssdata.com (Jasen Hoglund) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RH8.0, Postfix and Squirrelmail (Josh Trutwin) Message-ID: I believed you could use a SMTP such as sendmail. I did not think that an IMAP was required? Correct me if Im wrong, but I think you should be able to use sendmail or postfix for that matter? Jasen Jasen Hoglund, Technology Specialist LSS Data Systems 6423 City West Parkway, Eden Prairie, MN 55344 952.941.1000 From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 15 10:50:33 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) RE: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Meeting Message-ID: <20030415155033.GB10280@fandre.com> Anyone Uof M students interested? Please respond to Steve directly. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Steve J. Alexander (News)" Subject: RE: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Meeting Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:58:56 -0500 Size: 1962 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030415/7e6d82fe/attachment.mht From dcoats at heritagemail.org Tue Apr 15 10:41:11 2003 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smbmount and XP problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The adventure continues... I created a user for root on my XP machine(everyone responds with horror at the lack of security - It is in a locked room). Now as root I can smbmount on to my XP machine. I can see and access the files in the mounted directory. And there was much rejoicing! I can even unmount it without permission problems. What I still can't do is write to it...I set the permissions for the directory on the server side to 775. On the XP side they are set to Allow Full Control. What else might still need to be changed? Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Apr 15 10:50:15 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL and LOTS of processes Message-ID: <200304151050.15452.list@slushpupie.com> I am running a mysql server that recently has a huge increase in use.. that is to say I need more than the default 100 max_connections. I tried using SET GLOBAL max_connections=200; but that gives an SQL error. How do I bump this number up? I am running this on a RH7.2 box with MySQL server mysql-server-3.23.54a-3.72 Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Tue Apr 15 10:04:45 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smbmount and XP problems References: Message-ID: <3E9C1F8D.3010006@cleosci.com> This may have to do with the built-in firewall in XP. There is a checkmark, on by default, you need to "uncheck" to make XP shares visible to other machines. My recollection is that it is under the network properties, but I don't have XP in front of me at the moment so I can't look it up. I've run into this on quite a number of ma;chines where XP can "see" them, but they cannot see XP shares. The would cause smbmount to not be able to mount the share properly. Sorry for the lack of specifics; hopefully this points you in the right direction. Garrett Pastor Doug Coats wrote: >Recently I needed to upgraded to XP from Win98 to run an XP native phone >system program. Before that I had programmed our RH 7.1 Server to use >smbmount to copy a backup of our file server to my machine at a set time and >then unmount when done. This worked great before I had to upgrade. > >If I share a directory in XP with simple sharing off so that I can set the >permissions so that only I have access to the backup Samba does not seem to >complete the mount correctly. It locked up the entire file system and would >only show this smbmount as the only mounted partition but you could not >write to it. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 15 09:41:46 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse OpenExchange In-Reply-To: <001301c3034c$7258dcd0$0300a8c0@homer> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Mike Partyka wrote: > Yeah, i thought so too, i called the only USA support number i could > find and they said they hadn't even seen the Openexchange server so > they couldn't even help me. The only option they gave em as contacting > support in Germany via email something like nsttts@suse.de, and as you > can imagine i haven't heard back from them yet. I used to regards suse > very highly, but now i am reevaluating that opinion. Many (about half) > of the console errors we see i found tech documents on and they > generally said, ignore the error. That's no good! When I have trouble getting support for a product I've paid for, I often find that I can get a quick response by sending a few 'why am I not getting support' e-mails to people high up in the company.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 15 09:39:00 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Suse OpenExchange In-Reply-To: <000d01c3034c$09e200f0$0300a8c0@homer> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Mike Partyka wrote: > Well, we reloaded it yesterday on a jumky old p4 Dimension we had > siting around because we are getting a bunch of hardware errors on the > console relating to CDROM, and IDE, i'd have to get back and look at > them to be more specific. But we wanted to FTP some files onto the box > and found it very difficult to enable FTP, found out it needs to have > pure-ftp installed, the server isn't even there. Well, that's good... ftp should be difficult to encourage more people to use scp. :) > Anyway, right after that we tried connecting to the web interace (for > email) and it wouldn't load, sayign LDAP wasn't running. I went in and > it wasn't so i started it via the yast run level editor tool and now > it starts at run levels 3 and 5 as it should, but even after a couple > reboot, we get the same message, LDAP server not running, but grep the > ps and it's there running. Your best bet is to contact SuSE -- that sounds like it's a specific problem to the stuff they've done; not a generic problem with one of the components. > As a side note, there does not seem to be any import tools for old > accounts, even unix ones. We frun a UNix based email with a gui > frontend called Fineline, and i think we are gonna have to key the > accounts in by hand, UGH Heh, that's nice! You can cut'n'paste passwd/shadow/group entries if you don't have conflicting uid/gid's, but it's not a great idea.. may just want to hack up a simple script. For the LDAP accounts, you should just be able to copy the LDAP database files across. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Apr 15 09:05:07 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3/ogg juke box In-Reply-To: <1050392289.17676.7.camel@tati.confundido.net> References: <1050392289.17676.7.camel@tati.confundido.net> Message-ID: <3E9C1193.5010302@andersonfam.org> I currently have an mp3 server running and it's working great. It's a Pentium Pro 180MHz with 32 megs RAM. I'm running redhat 7.2. For the jukebox software, I'm using Globecom Jukebox: http://gjukebox.sourceforge.net/ Nathan Syverson wrote: > Hi all, > I've been reading about setting up an mp3 juke box with an older > computer of mine. I know there are meny people who have done this > before. Are any on this list and would like to share what they used for > hard/software, how they interface with it, etc. The more long, > convoluted and rambleing the better. I tend to identify with that. > > TIA, > nathan > > > ....Aqu? en nuestro portal ocasal lavado por la mar se hallar? > una mujer poderosa con una antorcha, cuyo fuego > es el rel?mpago encarcelado, y su nombre > Madre de los Exiliados.... > > .....--?Guarden, o tierras ancianas, su pompa celebrada!--grita ella > con labios silenciosos. --D?nme los agobiados, los pobres > la masa api?ada, anhelando la libertad, > los arrostrados rechazados de sus orrillas abundantes, > m?ndenme ?stes, los sin casa, los arrojados por la tempestad > aqu?. > Hac?a la puerta dorada levanto mi antorcha, que siga brillando ah?." > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Tue Apr 15 09:22:51 2003 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3/ogg juke box Message-ID: > I currently have an mp3 server running and it's working > great. It's a Pentium Pro 180MHz with 32 megs RAM. I'm > running redhat 7.2. For the jukebox software, I'm using > Globecom Jukebox: > > http://gjukebox.sourceforge.net/ You have had good luck with it? I have been fighting with the sound on it. I never seem to be get sound out of the thing. Someone on the list was asking for a replacement for IceCast. Someone recommend a different streaming server and I am not at home to tell you the name (and the archives are still down). It works by just clicking the song or directory on the web page and XMMS pops up and plays it. The trouble is, it only seems to work with XMMS. My kids have tried it and the streaming does not work with either WinAmp or Zinf on a Windows 2000 box. Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From llinder at medicomdigital.com Mon Apr 7 12:01:28 2003 From: llinder at medicomdigital.com (llinder) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMB-Windows shares References: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> <3E8C79E9.2000603@medicomdigital.com> <3E8D202C.40001@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <3E91AEE8.30505@medicomdigital.com> > I hate to ask the obvious, but are these hidden shares by any chance? > I've seen Windows do some funny stuff with cross-platform shares from > time-to-time. In theory, you should not see a hidden one at all, but > under strange circumstances, portions of the share show up. The shares are not hidden shares... I can see them but I can't see anything in them :( > > Of course, the latter leads me to ask about permissions. Perhaps the > user you've used to log into RH9 does not have rights to view all of > the shares on the Windows machine. The permitions should be ok.. I can log onto this machine from any other windows machine with this user account... and RH9 acts like it logs on but it doesn't show any files or folders on the share. > > > Then again, I probably should also ask, "which flavor of Windows?" It happens with both Windows 2000 Server SP3 and Windows XP SP1. I am not quite sure what version of SMB is on RH9... I have been trying to figure that out but havn't been able to find any information. Also as suggested by another person on the list I have been trying to use the SMB Client instead of Konquoror but I am not sure where the SMB Client is or how to use it :( I really need to purchase a good Linux Primer book to get myself moving I think :( > > > Garrett > > llinder wrote: > >> Sorry this is probably something very basic... but my knowledge of >> Linux is pre-basic. >> >> Heres my problem. I can see windows shares from my Linux machine and >> I can connect to the shares but after I connect I don't see any >> files. I have been digging around for a while now trying to figure >> this out but I have had no luck... hopefully someone will have a >> quick answer for me :) >> >> My Linux distro is Red Hat 9.0 and I am using Konqouror to connect to >> the SMB shares. >> >> Lance >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Mon Apr 7 12:02:27 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Converting Linux box to NAS In-Reply-To: <03040711420600.31333@Dingo> References: <03040711420600.31333@Dingo> Message-ID: <200304071202.27858.list@slushpupie.com> Go get the book "Using Samba", they have info on how ACL's work with samba. You will likely want to get the ACL patch for linux, or use a different FS that has ACL's built in. Optionally, you could use a different Unix that natively supports ACL's. Jay On Monday 07 April 2003 11:42 am, Mike Nielsen wrote: > Hi there, was pondering different ways to get a linux box to act as Network > Attached Storage for an NT network. > > > It's easy to get a box setup that allows for storage but getting Access > control lists working will be sort of difficult. > > I thought about maybe setting up the box as a BDC to the Domain but that > doesn't seem to be completely possible yet. > > > Or I could use Services For Unix for Windows and use NIS and NFS for > username mapping and what not. > > While I'm getting the test machines set up I was wondering if anyone else > had managed to do this and what mechanisms you used or if you have any > other ideas or comments as to the "best" way to do this. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Mon Apr 7 12:25:10 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMB-Windows shares In-Reply-To: <3E91AEE8.30505@medicomdigital.com> References: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> <3E8C79E9.2000603@medicomdigital.com> <3E8D202C.40001@cleosci.com> <3E91AEE8.30505@medicomdigital.com> Message-ID: <1049736310.12806.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Have you tried this? /usr/bin/smbclient //myserver/myshare -U myuserid%mypassword That should get you in from a command line perspective. Brady > I am not quite sure what version of SMB is on RH9... I have been trying > to figure that out but havn't been able to find any information. Also > as suggested by another person on the list I have been trying to use the > SMB Client instead of Konquoror but I am not sure where the SMB Client > is or how to use it :( I really need to purchase a good Linux Primer > book to get myself moving I think :( _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From larryp at ntuminc.com Mon Apr 7 13:03:00 2003 From: larryp at ntuminc.com (Larry Pint) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where is the terminfo file References: <3E91AC8E.1618E7E2@ntuminc.com> <013a01c2fd2a$bd560460$6001a8c0@eagan.powersys.com> Message-ID: <3E91BD54.BDC0E763@ntuminc.com> Thanks, Dave. This isn't exactly what I was looking for, but I think it will get me where I want to go. Larry Pint Dave Alitz wrote: > > You're looking for the terminal entry source? infocmp will echo the source > for your current terminal to stdout. Use a terminal name for $1 to get the > settings for another terminal. -C -r will translate the entries to termcap > syntax as much as possible. toe will echo all of the available terminal > names. > > Dave Alitz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Pint" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 11:51 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] Where is the terminfo file > > > My terminal software (Ericom Powerterm) is not working the same on the > > new Linux (RH 7.2) box as it was on the old SCO Unix box. I'd like to > > compare the terminfo setting to see if something's different, but I > > can't find the terminfo source file(s) on our Linux computer. Can > > anybody tell me where to find this? > > > > Larry Pint > > > > BTW - interesting meeting on Saturday - my first, but hopefully not my > > last. When I get time I'd like to try MisterHouse. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dutchman_mn at charter.net Mon Apr 7 22:12:56 2003 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 9 Message-ID: <1049771576.26992.1.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Bob: Any word on the RedHat 9.0 mirror for ftp.mn-linux.org? I saw the directory but got a permission denied. Perry Hoekstra _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dndalitz at earthlink.net Mon Apr 7 12:25:51 2003 From: dndalitz at earthlink.net (Dave Alitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where is the terminfo file References: <3E91AC8E.1618E7E2@ntuminc.com> Message-ID: <013a01c2fd2a$bd560460$6001a8c0@eagan.powersys.com> You're looking for the terminal entry source? infocmp will echo the source for your current terminal to stdout. Use a terminal name for $1 to get the settings for another terminal. -C -r will translate the entries to termcap syntax as much as possible. toe will echo all of the available terminal names. Dave Alitz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Pint" To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Where is the terminfo file > My terminal software (Ericom Powerterm) is not working the same on the > new Linux (RH 7.2) box as it was on the old SCO Unix box. I'd like to > compare the terminfo setting to see if something's different, but I > can't find the terminfo source file(s) on our Linux computer. Can > anybody tell me where to find this? > > Larry Pint > > BTW - interesting meeting on Saturday - my first, but hopefully not my > last. When I get time I'd like to try MisterHouse. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 7 22:43:54 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 9 In-Reply-To: <1049771576.26992.1.camel@ix.norsemen.org> References: <1049771576.26992.1.camel@ix.norsemen.org> Message-ID: <200304072243.54745@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 07 April 2003 10:12 pm, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > Bob: > > Any word on the RedHat 9.0 mirror for ftp.mn-linux.org? I saw the > directory but got a permission denied. Hmph. That's weird. Ran the rsync stuff by hand, says we are up todate, but the perms are still closed! I'll complain. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 7 22:51:09 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 9 In-Reply-To: <200304072243.54745@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <1049771576.26992.1.camel@ix.norsemen.org> <200304072243.54745@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <200304072251.09303@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 07 April 2003 10:43 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Monday 07 April 2003 10:12 pm, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > Bob: > > > > Any word on the RedHat 9.0 mirror for ftp.mn-linux.org? I saw the > > directory but got a permission denied. > > Hmph. That's weird. Ran the rsync stuff by hand, says we are up todate, but > the perms are still closed! > > I'll complain. Manually open the bits. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Mon Apr 7 23:31:49 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMB-Windows shares In-Reply-To: <3E91C47F.9060307@stonel.com> References: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> <3E8C79E9.2000603@medicomdigital.com> <3E8D202C.40001@cleosci.com> <3E91AEE8.30505@medicomdigital.com> <1049736310.12806.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3E91C47F.9060307@stonel.com> Message-ID: <3E9250B5.5090704@netzero.net> if you're able to see the files in this manner, you might not like to access them every time this way. even if u get konqueror/lisa working, u still have to dl the whole file to read from it. (can't listen to mp3s with just a double click in konqueror) hmm, anyone know if nautilus and whatever it uses in place of lisa can do this? as an alternative, might I suggest using smbmount + automount? if you like, I'll write up a step-by-step thingy on how to get it to work. >> Have you tried this? >> /usr/bin/smbclient //myserver/myshare -U myuserid%mypassword _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Mon Apr 7 13:33:35 2003 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SMB-Windows shares References: <20030327190031.GA20548@isis.visi.com> <3E8C79E9.2000603@medicomdigital.com> <3E8D202C.40001@cleosci.com> <3E91AEE8.30505@medicomdigital.com> <1049736310.12806.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3E91C47F.9060307@stonel.com> You might also check out the docs for smbmount on Samba site: http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/ I've also had success with the GUI frontend LinNeighborhood: http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/ Bob Brady Hegberg wrote: >Have you tried this? >/usr/bin/smbclient //myserver/myshare -U myuserid%mypassword > >That should get you in from a command line perspective. > >Brady > > > >>I am not quite sure what version of SMB is on RH9... I have been trying >>to figure that out but havn't been able to find any information. Also >>as suggested by another person on the list I have been trying to use the >>SMB Client instead of Konquoror but I am not sure where the SMB Client >>is or how to use it :( I really need to purchase a good Linux Primer >>book to get myself moving I think :( >> >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Apr 8 12:09:23 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Converting Linux box to NAS In-Reply-To: <03040711420600.31333@Dingo> References: <03040711420600.31333@Dingo> Message-ID: <20030408170923.GA22639@refried.org> On Mon, Apr 07, 2003 at 10:42:06AM -0600, Mike Nielsen wrote: > It's easy to get a box setup that allows for storage but getting Access > control lists working will be sort of difficult. Use XFS as the underlying filesystem and you should be able to do ACLs without problems. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu Mon Apr 7 12:01:45 2003 From: thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu (Aaron Thompson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Converting Linux box to NAS In-Reply-To: <03040711420600.31333@Dingo> References: <03040711420600.31333@Dingo> Message-ID: <20030407170145.GS26319@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> You could use samba: For the windows/netbios: make sure you use the following lines in your config (in addition to the rest of the stuph) > encrypt passwords = yes > security = server > password server = NETBIOSNAME Then set your hosts allow = 192.168.1 or something useful. For your file system permissions you could look into the samba pam modules. You may be able to use these with your nsswitch, but I'm not sure - I've not needed to go that far. If your using an active directory you can find info on how to setup your linux box to auth off of active directory (shudder) to get your file system perms setup that way - this would be a modified LDAP auth setup. @ On Mon, Apr 07, 2003 at 10:42:06AM -0600, Mike Nielsen wrote: > Hi there, was pondering different ways to get a linux box to act as Network > Attached Storage for an NT network. > > > It's easy to get a box setup that allows for storage but getting Access > control lists working will be sort of difficult. > > I thought about maybe setting up the box as a BDC to the Domain but that > doesn't seem to be completely possible yet. > > > Or I could use Services For Unix for Windows and use NIS and NFS for > username mapping and what not. > > While I'm getting the test machines set up I was wondering if anyone else > had managed to do this and what mechanisms you used or if you have any other > ideas or comments as to the "best" way to do this. > > > -- > > > ----------------------------- > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Aaron Thompson Unix Systems Administrator, College of Natural Science University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls, IA 50614 "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Tue Apr 8 10:28:52 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FYI - Slack Update Message-ID: <668026331.20030408102852@toughguy.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 3731 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030408/d20b08b5/attachment.bin From mike at getbent.net Mon Apr 7 11:42:06 2003 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Converting Linux box to NAS Message-ID: <03040711420600.31333@Dingo> Hi there, was pondering different ways to get a linux box to act as Network Attached Storage for an NT network. It's easy to get a box setup that allows for storage but getting Access control lists working will be sort of difficult. I thought about maybe setting up the box as a BDC to the Domain but that doesn't seem to be completely possible yet. Or I could use Services For Unix for Windows and use NIS and NFS for username mapping and what not. While I'm getting the test machines set up I was wondering if anyone else had managed to do this and what mechanisms you used or if you have any other ideas or comments as to the "best" way to do this. -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From larryp at ntuminc.com Mon Apr 7 11:51:26 2003 From: larryp at ntuminc.com (Larry Pint) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where is the terminfo file Message-ID: <3E91AC8E.1618E7E2@ntuminc.com> My terminal software (Ericom Powerterm) is not working the same on the new Linux (RH 7.2) box as it was on the old SCO Unix box. I'd like to compare the terminfo setting to see if something's different, but I can't find the terminfo source file(s) on our Linux computer. Can anybody tell me where to find this? Larry Pint BTW - interesting meeting on Saturday - my first, but hopefully not my last. When I get time I'd like to try MisterHouse. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Apr 16 00:50:34 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware users list In-Reply-To: <37870.192.168.0.3.1050471008.squirrel@192.168.0.3> Message-ID: > http://www.slackware.com/forum appears down at the moment, I'll check > tomorrow. Great, now you've invited all the Debian users to start preaching their "Slack is dead" sermon :) IIRC, there was a slack-sparc list I used to be on for the Sparc port, but I never remember seeing a generic slackware list. Also, if you have news access: [adamm@unix9:/newswork]$ grep -i slackware active.dat | awk '{ print $1 }' alt.binaries.dominion.slackware | | Erik Anderson | | | | | | Sent by: | | | tclug-list-admin@m| | | n-linux.org | | | | | | | | | 04/17/2003 03:22 | | | PM | | | Please respond to | | | tclug-list | | | | |---------+-----------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org | | cc: | | Subject: [TCLUG] Semi OT: Freelance consulting question | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| So I have just gotten asked to do my first freelance consulting gig. I'll be setting up an Apache/Tomcat environment for a company, but that's beside the point. I figure that there are at least a few people on the list that have done private consulting before, and I'd like to ask for advice, as I'm pretty ignorant to the whole process. I know that they'll just cut me a check, and I'll have to declare that income on next year's tax return. Do I need to write up a contract beforehand? Is there any legalities that I need to be careful of? Should I get a partial payment before starting? etc., etc., etc. There's a thousand more questions I could ask, but I guess I'll start with these. Thanks in advance! -Erik Anderson _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 17 15:15:37 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Web poll admin In-Reply-To: References: <200304170908.47849.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20030417201536.GB6672@fandre.com> On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Jay Kline wrote: > > > Perhaps a link on the poll page to submit ideas? Because 3 months down the > > road I will likely forget who to send them to. > > Clay? oh Clay... :-) ZZZZzzzzzz, huh, what? Oh.... OK. http://www.mn-linux.org/pollsuggestion/ ZZZZzzzzzzz...... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kiler0n at ags-us.com Fri Apr 18 15:41:06 2003 From: kiler0n at ags-us.com (kiler0n@ags-us.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11 internet access Message-ID: This has been a fairly decent site. http://www.boingo.com They also have a wi-fi sniffer app you can download. It seems to work with most wireless cards, unlike Net Stumbler (http://www.netstumbler.com/) ...however, Net Stumbler is a pretty cool application. It is geared toward their wi-fi zones, but works to find others. I drove up and down France Avenue with it and found 10-20 access points. Some with security, some without. It sure is interesting how some folks name their APs. Probably a smart idea not to use your name! :) Tony >> Hello, Does anyone know where I can find a list of places that offer wireless internet access to patrons. I just got an 802.11b network set up at my house. very cool. I do a lot of lunch meetings around town and internet access would be very helpful. I see Old Chicago Restaurants have wireless internet access free for customers. Does anyone know of other places that do this? I read a while ago that Starbucks and McDonald's where talking about putting in wireless internet for customers. Any in Minneapolis? Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Fri Apr 18 16:16:03 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11 internet access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030418160441.A18945-100000@tcfreenet.org> Don't believe it. There's no software there. There's some M$ Stuff, but no linux stuff. They do have a list of locations, though. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 kiler0n@ags-us.com wrote: > This has been a fairly decent site. > > http://www.boingo.com > > They also have a wi-fi sniffer app you can download. It seems to work with _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Apr 18 11:11:35 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting today! Message-ID: Yeah, I posted this on Monday. This is just a reminder. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, April 18, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Gluek's 16 North 6th Street Minneapolis, Minnesota 55403 --- snip --- Details at http://beer.tclug.org, see you there, etc. :) Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Apr 18 17:00:28 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 kiler0n@ags-us.com wrote: > ...believe it or not 675s as well. I sold 5 on Ebay early this year :) > Got about $20 for each of them. ...which would be great, except the 675 is useless for new Qwest DSL terminations. They only seem to do DMT installs now, which the 675 can't talk. I've got two 675's, which didn't do me a whit of good when I got my DSL circuit reprovisioned. I ended up eBaying a 678, which has worked seamlessly. On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 Nate Carlson wrote: > We've heard from a bunch of clients that they just plain don't do static > routing in the version that Qwest ships. Really? Who told you that? Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Apr 18 11:11:35 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting today! Message-ID: Yeah, I posted this on Monday. This is just a reminder. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, April 18, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Gluek's 16 North 6th Street Minneapolis, Minnesota 55403 --- snip --- Details at http://beer.tclug.org, see you there, etc. :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Apr 17 15:23:22 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on an Alpha Message-ID: Found a Compaq XP1000 on the retired hardware shelf, and since whoever set the NT passwords is long gone, didn't see any point in keeping WinNT on it. But so far, haven't figured out how to get Debian up and running on it, the documentation is a bit fuzzy, espically since I have AlphaBIOS and have to use milo (at least, that's what I got out of Debian's docs) Anyone have any tips? :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." -- Kernel Panic: I have no root and I want to scream. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Apr 17 18:29:37 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] install problem Message-ID: <001b01c30539$364915e0$c90610ac@DELL2> Anyone good at WebGui installs? I am having troubles and could use some help. (off list) Thanks Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030417/1a260134/attachment.html From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Apr 19 10:14:01 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <200304190119.50865@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3943.192.1.1.15.1050729664.squirrel@dccmn.com> <000f01c30637$a82e9960$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200304190119.50865@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <4274.192.1.1.15.1050765241.squirrel@dccmn.com> Finally figured out my problem. Sendmail (yea, I know, it's buggy, but it's the only MTA Redhat ships, AFAIK), uses cyrus-sasl to authenticate. I had installed: cyrus-sasl-md5-2.1.7-2 cyrus-sasl-2.1.7-2 Since their required be sendmail. Outlook only authenticates via logon authentication, which requires cyrus-sasl-plain-2.1.7-2. At least it gets him in business. Next I'll add ssl. Anyone want to rent a e-mail drop? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Apr 19 10:20:34 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <4308.192.1.1.15.1050765634.squirrel@dccmn.com> Remind me not to ask any questions about which desktop to use :{)> Thanks for everyone's help ... and opinions. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Apr 19 10:29:06 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <15181246726.20030418145722@toughguy.net> References: <15181246726.20030418145722@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <4339.192.1.1.15.1050766146.squirrel@dccmn.com> Home depot for cheap. AEI (west of highway 55 & 100) for best. > Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 2:55:22 PM Central Standard Time > > Hi All.... Where is the best place to get a box of CAT 5 UTP cable > here in the Twin Cities. I used top pay about 40-45 bucks in LA for > 1000 feet. Any ideas would be great. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Apr 18 11:11:35 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting today! Message-ID: Yeah, I posted this on Monday. This is just a reminder. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, April 18, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Gluek's 16 North 6th Street Minneapolis, Minnesota 55403 --- snip --- Details at http://beer.tclug.org, see you there, etc. :) Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Fri Apr 18 15:49:45 2003 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable Message-ID: If you need plenum, Goldcom is pretty good. 1000 ft ~$100 - $120. I can't recall exactly ATM. If you don't need Plenum, I've heard good things about Home Despot. :-) sim > Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 2:55:22 PM Central Standard Time > > Hi All.... Where is the best place to get a box of CAT 5 UTP cable > here in the Twin Cities. I used top pay about 40-45 bucks in LA for > 1000 feet. Any ideas would be great. > > Thanks & Rock-On, _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Apr 17 13:35:57 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Development Firms Message-ID: <3E9EF40D.2080900@sodatrain.com> Hello- I am looking to put together a list of reputable and quality web development firms (or individuals). I then want to put out a RFQ. I'd love to hear any reccomendations (good or bad) of firms/people you have worked with locally, or out state. We are a small business that builds widgets and sells them thru a network of dealers (ie no end user sales). If you as an indivdual would like to quote a project, please email me off list. We will host our own site, and expect it to be LAMP friendly. :) Thanks duncan -- Duncan Shannon Non-Profit Web hosting and design http://www.npohost.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Fri Apr 18 15:41:16 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on an Alpha In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1050698475.24796.11.camel@kremer> Andy and I spent some time last night working on it, and it seems to be to a workable state (the debian installer is running, the disk is partitioned, etc) Amazing how not like a Multia that thing is. On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 15:02, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > Found a Compaq XP1000 on the retired hardware shelf, and since whoever > > set the NT passwords is long gone, didn't see any point in keeping > > WinNT on it. > > > > But so far, haven't figured out how to get Debian up and running on > > it, the documentation is a bit fuzzy, espically since I have AlphaBIOS > > and have to use milo (at least, that's what I got out of Debian's > > docs) > > I got it working a long time ago, and I know Phil's had it working (since > I sold my AlphaStation to him)... can't remember anything about it, but if > you wanted to drag it by the office sometime when I was in, I'd give'ya a > hand with it. :) -- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 15:02:04 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on an Alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Found a Compaq XP1000 on the retired hardware shelf, and since whoever > set the NT passwords is long gone, didn't see any point in keeping > WinNT on it. > > But so far, haven't figured out how to get Debian up and running on > it, the documentation is a bit fuzzy, espically since I have AlphaBIOS > and have to use milo (at least, that's what I got out of Debian's > docs) I got it working a long time ago, and I know Phil's had it working (since I sold my AlphaStation to him)... can't remember anything about it, but if you wanted to drag it by the office sometime when I was in, I'd give'ya a hand with it. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Fri Apr 18 15:53:15 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable References: Message-ID: <3EA065BB.8DD6AA9@ppdonline.com> according to Homo Deport's website- cat5e 1000' $54.00 cat5e plenum 1000' $155.00 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Apr 18 17:08:02 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When we went to do the first one of these, we eventually ended up with ActionTec support and Qwest both on the line, and it turned out that the ActionTec didn't support a block of IP's with a /30 mask - it had to be /29 or greater. We gave the customer a /29, went through the setup with ActionTec, and it worked fine since. This was about 4 months ago. Anyways, the firmware that ships on the Qwest ActionTec's is a custom build for them (which is why there is so little config to do when you get one). I think this is the cause for a lot of the problems. Qwest released a new firmware version a month or so ago that may fix the routed space problems (and a security update). Nate - I checked, we don't have real instructions yet, just the stuff Justin jotted down while ActionTec support was running through with our customer. He's working on them over the next week or two, so when we get them done I'll try and remember to send something over to you. > > We've heard from a bunch of clients that they just plain don't do static > > routing in the version that Qwest ships. > > Really? Who told you that? > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 18 19:19:07 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop recommendations In-Reply-To: <20030418223054.GA14556@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF0B@mail.temgweb.com> <20030417130845.A7566@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20030418223054.GA14556@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: > At a weight greater than four pounds, it's not so "mobile" any more. > Weight to shoot for: 3 lbs or under. Depends on what you want your laptop for. For example, I'm doing some work for a customer where my laptop is my workstation, and I'm building code all day. I want a nice big screen that can do 1600x1200 at the least (I don't want one of the crappy 17" apple screens that don't even give decent resolution!), a CPU fast enough to build code at a decent clip, and at least 1gb memory. That rules out most of the three-pounders. > Swappable module bays are a waste of weight and sacrifice sturdiness for > "flexibility." Doesn't rule out Dell - check the X200. > Do you use the laptop for all of your work? Buy two nice LCD monitors, > one for home, one for work. So spend $2000 for two LCD screens that can do 1600x1200? Really, 'lugging around' a 7lb laptop doesn't bug me in the least, certainly not $2000 worth. :) > You MUST get an 802.11 capable laptop. Agreed on that one. > * IRPort, sure > Definitely useful if you have a digital phone and want to use GSM > or GPRS. I prefer bluetooth for this -- leave the phone in my pocket, or on my desk, and don't worry about what's pointed where. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Thu Apr 17 10:02:56 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6185C@IPSERVER2> It seems to me MySQL really shines as a dbms to backend your website if you have very modest needs or maybe load out of Oracle or SQL Server into this for use on the web to get around the internet connector fee of the commercial dbms's. MySQL was designed to be fast first anything else takes a back seat to speed. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn McDavid [mailto:gmcdavid@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 9:42 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com wrote: > Does MySQL have stored procs and sub queries yet? Row level locking? Last > time I looked it didn't. Postgres was miles ahead of it before as far as > features and atomicity which Phil G writes a fair amount about. I think this is decisive, if you actually have an existing body of PL-SQL code to migrate. Last I looked MySQL was lacking a lot of SQL features that have been around a long time--stuff that I was using 10 years ago. You are likely to find MySQL very frustrating in this situation, and at best you will end up with a lot of kludgy code. I don't know much about PostGres, but the last time I checked it was a much more complete SQL implementation. Glenn McDavid gmcdavid@attbi.com gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Thu Apr 17 08:49:43 2003 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving away from oracle In-Reply-To: <20030416223820.GY18770@real-time.com> References: <20030416223820.GY18770@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3E9EB0F7.8030300@visi.com> I haven't used MySQL but I've used Oracle for a number of years, Ingres for a few less and have recently set up a couple of medium sized databases using Postgres. I'd seriously look at Postgres. It supports record-locking, stored procedures, triggers and has a PL/SQL-like procedure language. There are some docs available for migrating at http://techdocs.postgresql.org/#convertfrom I'd also look at the latest release 7.3.x if you need support for multiple schemas in a single database instance. --rick Amy Tanner wrote: >We have an oracle database which I'd like to move to an open-source >database. Based on talking with the DBA, we have less than 100 Oracle >pl/sql packages. Which database would be easiest to migrate to? Are >there migration utilities to make this easier? > >Anyone else tackled this? > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Apr 19 10:32:49 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <000001c305b9$2f059710$16a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> References: <3E9F8D91.5050008@cleosci.com> <000001c305b9$2f059710$16a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> Message-ID: <4352.192.1.1.15.1050766369.squirrel@dccmn.com> I use Qwest with their Deluxe service. Maybe they won't support it, but they don't do all that much. Most of the work is the ISP's. I use isd.com, but I've heard good things about real-time... > If this question has already been covered I apologize, but I get errors > every time I try to search the archives. > > I want to switch to DSL service, but Qwest here in the Twin Cities only > 'officially' supports Windows. Does anyone have feedback on DSL and/or > ISP that they would recommend, or anything I need to be aware of? > > Thanks in advance for any information you can give me. > > Cheers, > > Charlie Obert > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Apr 19 10:41:55 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <4372.192.1.1.15.1050766915.squirrel@dccmn.com> One of the issues I had was my old ISP insisted that I run my cisco in router mode and my Freeswan doesn't like that so I had to switch ISPs to get bridge support. In router mode, your outside IP address <> your eth0 IP address cause it's doing NAT. Freeswan sees this is a man-in-middle attack. Does the ActionTec support bridging? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Wed Apr 16 02:15:47 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Sniffer Detection Message-ID: <32823.192.168.2.249.1050477347.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Is there any way to detect if ports are being probed/sniffed? I've seen programs like Snort, etc. Does anyone have any opionions about intrusion detection systems? Are they effective? Are there other ways to manually detect intrusion? Thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 11:10:39 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <4372.192.1.1.15.1050766915.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> <4372.192.1.1.15.1050766915.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <200304191110.39329@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Saturday 19 April 2003 10:41 am, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > One of the issues I had was my old ISP insisted that I run my cisco in > router mode and my Freeswan doesn't like that so I had to switch ISPs to > get bridge support. In router mode, your outside IP address <> your eth0 > IP address cause it's doing NAT. Freeswan sees this is a man-in-middle > attack. > > Does the ActionTec support bridging? Heh. You are thinking "backwards". You =want= routing when doing IPSec (freeswan). Bridging can be nasty if the upstream router isn't filtering LAN broadcast traffic. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Apr 19 11:35:49 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (waynej@dccmn.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <200304191110.39329@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> <4372.192.1.1.15.1050766915.squirrel@dccmn.com> <200304191110.39329@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <4530.192.1.1.15.1050770149.squirrel@dccmn.com> Yea, I get a pile of broadcasts. It's not all that bad. I had iptables logging them for a while. My old ISP decided to switch me to router mode, and of course didn't bother to tell me. Said it was a Qwest policy change. They refused to switch me back. The routing implied NAT, so that my local IP was a 10.xx.xx.xx address, but my external static IP was their's. When freeswan sent a packet, it includes the encrypted local IP address. When the receiving side saw that it didn't match the IP address in the header, it would reject it. The ISP's proposed I set up a subnet, but they wanted to charge me for an extra 3 IP addresses... Supposedly there is a way around NAT with freeswan, but after a week of hacking, I changed to isd.net. 30 minutes later I was back on the air. > On Saturday 19 April 2003 10:41 am, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: >> One of the issues I had was my old ISP insisted that I run my cisco in >> router mode and my Freeswan doesn't like that so I had to switch ISPs >> to get bridge support. In router mode, your outside IP address <> >> your eth0 IP address cause it's doing NAT. Freeswan sees this is a >> man-in-middle attack. >> >> Does the ActionTec support bridging? > > Heh. You are thinking "backwards". You =want= routing when doing IPSec > (freeswan). > > Bridging can be nasty if the upstream router isn't filtering LAN > broadcast traffic. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Apr 19 11:43:39 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11 internet access In-Reply-To: <1050697998.31137.35.camel@lotsa> References: <1050697998.31137.35.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030419164339.GA32305@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 03:33:17PM -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know where I can find a list of places that offer wireless > internet access to patrons. I just got an 802.11b network set up at my > house. very cool. I do a lot of lunch meetings around town and internet > access would be very helpful. > Bob's Java Hut, on Lyndale in the Uptown area. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sat Apr 19 11:51:16 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <4372.192.1.1.15.1050766915.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: Most ISP's won't do bridging anymore - it's less efficient with IP space, can cause split horizon issues, or will cause the broadcast traffic problem Bob mentioned. Also, Qwest has been hinting for awhile now that they are going to do a push to get ISP's off of it. The only way of doing bridging mode that eliminated the split horizon and broadcast problems was to give each customer their own BVI, which means you are burning a minimum of 4 IP's per customer. Imagine an ISP with a thousand DSL customers applying for additional space from ARIN with 3000 wasted IP's... Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > One of the issues I had was my old ISP insisted that I run my cisco in > router mode and my Freeswan doesn't like that so I had to switch ISPs to > get bridge support. In router mode, your outside IP address <> your eth0 > IP address cause it's doing NAT. Freeswan sees this is a man-in-middle > attack. > > Does the ActionTec support bridging? > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 00:51:01 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3943.192.1.1.15.1050729664.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <000f01c30637$a82e9960$0201a8c0@brinstar> waynej@dccmn.com writes: > So how do I convince outlook to send it's outgoing mail through POP? > I thought POP3 just delivered mail? POP-before-SMTP is an authentication mechanism. After an IP address successfully authenticates using POP3, it is allowed to relay mail for a short time afterwards. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 14:39:55 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3943.192.1.1.15.1050729664.squirrel@dccmn.com> <000f01c30637$a82e9960$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200304190119.50865@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <4274.192.1.1.15.1050765241.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <002601c306ab$747eb0e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> waynej@dccmn.com writes: > Sendmail (yea, I know, it's buggy, but it's the only MTA Redhat ships, Which is why I will never use or support Red Hat. They continue to ship software they know to be insecure when there are reasonable alternatives. Everyone complains about Microsoft shipping insecure code, yet Red Hat does the same exact thing. The ``they don't write it, they just distribute it'' argument doesn't change the end result. Then again, I suppose if they shipped secure code, no one would need to pay them for updates and support. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 14:45:39 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux References: Message-ID: <004901c306ac$413d64f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Adam Maloney writes: > The only way of doing bridging mode that eliminated the split horizon > and broadcast problems was to give each customer their own BVI, which > means you are burning a minimum of 4 IP's per customer. Imagine an > ISP with a thousand DSL customers applying for additional space from > ARIN with 3000 wasted IP's... Actually, that would be a good way to get more IPs. To them, you would simply be using them for DSL customers. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 15:47:44 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <4372.192.1.1.15.1050766915.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> <4372.192.1.1.15.1050766915.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > One of the issues I had was my old ISP insisted that I run my cisco in > router mode and my Freeswan doesn't like that so I had to switch ISPs to > get bridge support. In router mode, your outside IP address <> your > eth0 IP address cause it's doing NAT. Freeswan sees this is a > man-in-middle attack. Just buy a routed subnet; then you'll have real public IP's without having to do bridging. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 15:48:53 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <4530.192.1.1.15.1050770149.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> <4372.192.1.1.15.1050766915.squirrel@dccmn.com> <200304191110.39329@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <4530.192.1.1.15.1050770149.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > Supposedly there is a way around NAT with freeswan, but after a week of > hacking, I changed to isd.net. 30 minutes later I was back on the air. If you add the NAT-Traversal patch, it'll work fine with most NAT gateways (as long as they let 500/udp and 4500/udp out). -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Apr 19 16:09:05 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030419210905.GX1262@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 02:44:44AM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Yeah, I was just making up all of these security holes: > > http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/sendmail.html > You realize that most of these are not security related, and only a few are remove root exploits. Considering it's from 1993 and forward.. > Not to mention all the ones found since then, including the two found this > year (and it's not even May!). > > qmail is secure. If it's not, prove it and claim your $500. So, the previous exploits for qmail were all fixed, and now it's 100% guaranteed secured. Mmmkay. > Which more > closely follows the UNIX tradition? A single, monolithic daemon that does > everything as root; or separate programs, each running with the credentials > they need, that do a single, well defined task? I'm sorry, I think you're confused. sendmail certainly doesn't run everything as root, and it's not a single monolithic daemon doing everything. Once again perhaps you need someone else to hold your hand to install it properly. Sounds like more FUD. There's no problem with saying 'I prefer xyz because qrs is too complicated for me', but your only real point is that sendmail has had more *bugs* than qmail. I would expect this for a daemon that has been around for a hell of a lot longer than qmail, and is used by a lot more people. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Apr 18 16:17:21 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <200304181617.21470.list@slushpupie.com> On Friday 18 April 2003 10:34 pm, David Phillips wrote: > Don't use sendmail. Ever. It is a buggy and insecure. I recommend using > qmail. It is a much better MTA. It is faster; reliable; more modular; > more UNIX-like; easier to setup and configure; and most of all, secure: qmail does not follow the traditional unix-like structure in where things are stored, or how things are started. It may be secure, but has not been updated in several years. I use postfix and enjoy how it works, I know exim is another popular choice. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sat Apr 19 16:33:33 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4372.192.1.1.15.1050766915.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20030419213333.GA71244@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Saturday, Apr 19, 2003), Adam Maloney was madly tapping out: > Most ISP's won't do bridging anymore - it's less efficient with IP > space, can cause split horizon issues, or will cause the broadcast > traffic problem Bob mentioned. Also, Qwest has been hinting for > awhile now that they are going to do a push to get ISP's off of it. > > The only way of doing bridging mode that eliminated the split > horizon and broadcast problems was to give each customer their own > BVI, which means you are burning a minimum of 4 IP's per customer. > Imagine an ISP with a thousand DSL customers applying for additional > space from ARIN with 3000 wasted IP's... this isn't entirely correct. route-bridged encapsulation (RBE) enables a service provider to do "half-bridging" on a PVC without requiring that they burn up a /30 in order to terminate a subscriber session. this works for routed subnets as well as for single IP customer (a /32 is routed down the PVC ala 'ip route 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.255 atm0/0.100'). this can be used with DHCP option 82 to correctly push a /32 down the subscriber VC. > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > > > One of the issues I had was my old ISP insisted that I run my > > cisco in router mode and my Freeswan doesn't like that so I had to > > switch ISPs to get bridge support. In router mode, your outside > > IP address <> your eth0 IP address cause it's doing NAT. Freeswan > > sees this is a man-in-middle attack. > > > > Does the ActionTec support bridging? > > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 16:51:18 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> <4372.192.1.1.15.1050766915.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <3EA1C4D6.80606@real-time.com> natecars@real-time.com wrote: > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > >>One of the issues I had was my old ISP insisted that I run my cisco in >>router mode and my Freeswan doesn't like that so I had to switch ISPs to >>get bridge support. In router mode, your outside IP address <> your >>eth0 IP address cause it's doing NAT. Freeswan sees this is a >>man-in-middle attack. > > > Just buy a routed subnet; then you'll have real public IP's without having > to do bridging. For what it's worth, I have FreeS/WAN running perfectly through TWO NAT'd routers, one wireless and one Cisco 678, connecting to our office firewall also running FreeS/WAN. I have DSL through Real Time, BTW, and their service and uptimes are exemplary :-) FreeS/WAN is running on my laptop with a Linksys WLAN PC card. No special config was required in either of my routers. I just had to make sure that the IP address of my laptop matched what our office firewall was expecting. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "Windows NT was supposed to hit Unix hard (it did - like a bug hitting a windshield)...." - Andrew Grygus, aaxnet.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 16:51:38 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200304181617.21470.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <001601c306bd$db0cca60$0201a8c0@brinstar> Jay Kline writes: > qmail does not follow the traditional unix-like structure in where > things are stored See this for an explanation of why qmail installs in /var by default: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/install.html#whyvar As that FAQ states, symlinks can be used to put files in different places. Gerrit Pape's qmail package for Debian does this, for example. If you don't want a /var/qmail at all, you can simply edit conf-qmail and recompile: echo /usr/local/qmail > conf-qmail > how things are started. What are you talking about? qmail can be run from init.d, rc.d or whatever startup method your system uses. Of course, it is much more reliable and convient to run qmail (and any other daemon) under daemontools, but this is certainly not a requirement. > It may be secure, but > has not been updated in several years. So? Does it need to be? Dan doesn't feel the need to keep releasing new versions with more bloat. He writes software that works correctly, so users don't need to keep upgrading for bugfixes. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 16:59:50 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419210905.GX1262@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <002101c306be$ffe58290$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > You realize that most of these are not security related, and only a > few are remove root exploits. Considering it's from 1993 and forward.. Perhaps I counted incorrectly? A hole means an attacker can gain access to a non-root account or group. A root hole means an attacker can gain access to root: Local holes: 5 Local root holes: 3 Remote holes: 2 Remote root holes: 2 > So, the previous exploits for qmail were all fixed, and now it's 100% > guaranteed secured. Mmmkay. That's a blatant lie. qmail has never had any security holes. Of course, if you weren't just making things up, you'd know that. > I'm sorry, I think you're confused. sendmail certainly doesn't run > everything as root, and it's not a single monolithic daemon doing > everything. I guess they fixed that in recent versions. I retract my previous statement. It wasn't like that when Dan wrote qmail. Though, apparently, the "redesign" hasn't stopped root security holes. > your only real point is that sendmail has had more *bugs* than qmail. Yes, that is my point. Sendmail has more bugs and is not secure. We should not encourage people to run insecure software. > I would expect this for a daemon that has been around for a hell > of a lot longer than qmail, and is used by a lot more people. That statement is not logical. I would expect an older program to have fewer bugs, not more. The number of users does not affect the number of bugs. It may affect the number of users finding bugs, but that is not relevant to the number of bugs in the program. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Sat Apr 19 17:15:27 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11 internet access Message-ID: <1050790528.32040.409.camel@lotsa> Thanks for the info. Maybe I'm missing something at http://www.tcwug.org. I didn't really see much as far as a list of public places other than this map, http://maps.tcwug.org/ which seems to be peoples homes. Heres a short (unconfirmed) list: any Old Chicago Restaurant. most Dunn Brothers coffee shops Java Jack's in SW Minneapolis (46th st) OpenBook (Washington Ave, Mpls) Bob's Java Hut, on Lyndale in the Uptown area. MSP Airport (Lindberg) for $7.95 - Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Apr 18 17:08:03 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <001601c306bd$db0cca60$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <200304181617.21470.list@slushpupie.com> <001601c306bd$db0cca60$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <200304181708.03969.list@slushpupie.com> On Saturday 19 April 2003 4:51 pm, David Phillips wrote: > Jay Kline writes: > > qmail does not follow the traditional unix-like structure in where > > things are stored > > See this for an explanation of why qmail installs in /var by default: > > http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/install.html#whyvar I didnt say there was no reason for what he did, I am just stating it is not typical. When a new user is getting exposed to a unix envionment, they expect things to be more consistant. His is just "different" (not bad). > > how things are started. > > What are you talking about? qmail can be run from init.d, rc.d or whatever > startup method your system uses. Of course, it is much more reliable and > convient to run qmail (and any other daemon) under daemontools, but this is > certainly not a requirement. The default install puts things in inittab. I would consider that unusual. Again, not bad, but different. Of course you can change things, but that is not the default. > > It may be secure, but > > has not been updated in several years. > > So? Does it need to be? Dan doesn't feel the need to keep releasing new > versions with more bloat. He writes software that works correctly, so > users don't need to keep upgrading for bugfixes. When I see that a product (any product, for that matter) has not had any active development since 1998, I take that to mean either the author no longer cares anymore, or the author assumes the product is perfect and requires no updates. I would think its a little self centered of anyone to think they can write perfect software. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From letterj at phpgeek.com Sat Apr 19 17:14:29 2003 From: letterj at phpgeek.com (J Wynia) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11 internet access In-Reply-To: <1050790528.32040.409.camel@lotsa> References: <1050790528.32040.409.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <3184.127.0.0.1.1050790469.squirrel@localhost> SurfThing www.surfthing.com They put in ad-supported terminals and connect them with Wifi. They leave the wifi open and invite its use. In most of the spots, the access point is right by the terminals, so the closer you sit to them, the better signal you'll get. My business partner and I have lunch once a week at the Pickeled Parrot in Eden Prairie and use their service to get a lot of work done in person. > Thanks for the info. > > Maybe I'm missing something at http://www.tcwug.org. I didn't really see > much as far as a list of public places other than this map, > http://maps.tcwug.org/ which seems to be peoples homes. > > Heres a short (unconfirmed) list: > > any Old Chicago Restaurant. > most Dunn Brothers coffee shops > Java Jack's in SW Minneapolis (46th st) > OpenBook (Washington Ave, Mpls) > Bob's Java Hut, on Lyndale in the Uptown area. > MSP Airport (Lindberg) for $7.95 > > - Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- J Wynia Pragmatic solutions to your web problems. www.pragmapool.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Sat Apr 19 17:27:51 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smbmount and XP problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EA1CD67.4060902@netzero.net> Is this ntfs by any chance? Is it possible that while your sharing permissions are set to Full-Access or Write, the file system permissions are set to read-only for this particular user? If that's the case it sorta does explain why you're unable to set the sharing permissions properly (in a broken kind of way). > New Info: > When I mount the XP directory I notice that the bits change to turning off > write access to the mounted directory on the Linux side. I noticed that > properties for the folder on my XP machine show that the directory is > "Read-only" (in fact every directory is designated as such). I can not turn > this off. If I try to it acts as though it does it(applies without an error > message) but when you bring up the properties again it it "Read-only" again. > I am researching the meaning of this "Read-only" it does not seem to have > the same implications that it would suggest since there in the sharing tab > you can set the permissions of the share. But it still could be hindering > the transfer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Apr 19 18:11:32 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <002101c306be$ffe58290$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419210905.GX1262@techmonkeys.org> <002101c306be$ffe58290$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030419231132.GY1262@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 04:59:50PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > > You realize that most of these are not security related, and only a > > few are remove root exploits. Considering it's from 1993 and forward.. > > Perhaps I counted incorrectly? A hole means an attacker can gain access to > a non-root account or group. A root hole means an attacker can gain access > to root: > > Local holes: 5 > Local root holes: 3 > Remote holes: 2 > Remote root holes: 2 > Under certain configurations, since 1993 to whenever that page was last updated. > That's a blatant lie. qmail has never had any security holes. Of course, > if you weren't just making things up, you'd know that. http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/2237/exploit/ the smtp auth "module" (admittedly, not distributed with qmail): http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/1809/solution/ > It wasn't like that when Dan wrote qmail. Though, apparently, the > "redesign" hasn't stopped root security holes. Software that aspires to support the real world is forced to implement new features. This is why various package maintainers backport bugfixes. > > > your only real point is that sendmail has had more *bugs* than qmail. > > Yes, that is my point. Sendmail has more bugs and is not secure. We should > not encourage people to run insecure software. Just because software has had bugs, doesn't make it insecure. The linux kernel has had many exploits (just lately, another ptrace bug, which still has no 'official' patches), this list is here for the sole purpose of promoting, and helping people with linux. And I'm sorry, but: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Are you not encouraging people to run "insecure software"? > > > I would expect this for a daemon that has been around for a hell > > of a lot longer than qmail, and is used by a lot more people. > > That statement is not logical. I would expect an older program to have > fewer bugs, not more. The number of users does not affect the number of > bugs. It may affect the number of users finding bugs, but that is not > relevant to the number of bugs in the program. I expect _any_ program that has been around for such a long time, is widely used, and is expected to support "new things" to not only have bugs, but for people to find them. qmail has vulnerabilities, they haven't been (publicly) found yet. There is no perfect software. > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 18:24:27 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <6371046469.20030418120722@toughguy.net> <4372.192.1.1.15.1050766915.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <200304191824.27969@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Saturday 19 April 2003 03:47 pm, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > > One of the issues I had was my old ISP insisted that I run my cisco in > > router mode and my Freeswan doesn't like that so I had to switch ISPs to > > get bridge support. In router mode, your outside IP address <> your > > eth0 IP address cause it's doing NAT. Freeswan sees this is a > > man-in-middle attack. > > Just buy a routed subnet; then you'll have real public IP's without having > to do bridging. I think what he was saying is the ISP delegates private IPs to their DSLAM. Thus NAT all traffic outgoing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 18:25:04 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <200304181708.03969.list@slushpupie.com> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <200304181617.21470.list@slushpupie.com> <001601c306bd$db0cca60$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200304181708.03969.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Jay Kline wrote: > When I see that a product (any product, for that matter) has not had any > active development since 1998, I take that to mean either the author no > longer cares anymore, or the author assumes the product is perfect and > requires no updates. I would think its a little self centered of anyone > to think they can write perfect software. Wow, that's just about the perfect description of djb! If he actually had decent licensing restrictions and such, his software would be a quite a bit more popular.. too bad he's shooting himself in the foot. 'course, if it was more popular, chances are much better a major security hole would've been found by now.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 18:28:55 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11 internet access In-Reply-To: <1050790528.32040.409.camel@lotsa> References: <1050790528.32040.409.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <200304191828.55842@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Saturday 19 April 2003 05:15 pm, Tom Penney wrote: > Thanks for the info. > > Maybe I'm missing something at http://www.tcwug.org. I didn't really see > much as far as a list of public places other than this map, > http://maps.tcwug.org/ which seems to be peoples homes. Try posting to tcwug-list@tcwug.org? I might have have mis-spoke. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 18:45:18 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <200304181617.21470.list@slushpupie.com> <001601c306bd$db0cca60$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200304181708.03969.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <001201c306cd$bbba7fd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Jay Kline writes: > The default install puts things in inittab. I would consider that > unusual. Again, not bad, but different. Of course you can change > things, but that is not the default. Where do you get that from? This is step 14 from the qmail-1.03 INSTALL file: 14. Add csh -cf '/var/qmail/rc &' to your boot scripts, so that the qmail daemons are restarted whenever your system reboots. Make sure you include the &. I've never seen any qmail instructions that say anything about inittab. > When I see that a product (any product, for that matter) has not had > any active development since 1998, I take that to mean either the > author no longer cares anymore, or the author assumes the product is > perfect and requires no updates. I would think its a little self > centered of anyone to think they can write perfect software. I agree with you there for the most part. If you look on freshmeat or SourceForge, many projects are half-finished and have been abandoned for years. This is certainly not the case with qmail. ``In protocol design, perfection has been reached not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.'' -- RFC 1925 The same thing could be said for software. qmail works for millions of people. There is no need to update it. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 18:34:21 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <002101c306be$ffe58290$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419210905.GX1262@techmonkeys.org> <002101c306be$ffe58290$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, David Phillips wrote: > Yes, that is my point. Sendmail has more bugs and is not secure. We > should not encourage people to run insecure software. OK, you better stop using the Linux kernel. It's had root-level security holes, too. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 19:00:41 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419210905.GX1262@techmonkeys.org> <002101c306be$ffe58290$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419231132.GY1262@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <001d01c306cf$e23e0c60$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/2237/exploit/ That's not a bug. qmail-smtpd is designed to run with rlimits. That's why they exist in the first place. See this page for more details: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/venema.html > the smtp auth "module" (admittedly, not distributed with qmail): > http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/1809/solution/ How is that even remotely relevant? That is a third party patch to qmail. That patch has a security hole, not qmail. With that logic, I could write buggy patches to any software and you would claim the software itself was insecure. > Just because software has had bugs, doesn't make it insecure. No, but software that has security holes is insecure. > Are you not encouraging people to run "insecure software"? My choice of email client has nothing to do with discussing MTAs. But apparently you lack the ability to understand that. I find it amusing that you can't find fault with what I am saying, so you have to find other, non-related things to attack me with. > qmail has vulnerabilities, they haven't been (publicly) found yet. Prove it. (Oh, you can't. What a surprise.) -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 19:07:27 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419210905.GX1262@techmonkeys.org> <002101c306be$ffe58290$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <002e01c306d0$d3f21dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> natecars@real-time.com writes: > OK, you better stop using the Linux kernel. > > It's had root-level security holes, too. Actually, I use FreeBSD on all of my production servers. With kernels or operating systems, it's not possible to just ``choose another one''. If there was a reasonable alternative, I would certainly consider it. But there's not, because none exist (not even OpenBSD). With MTAs, there is a reasonable alternative to sendmail. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Apr 19 20:10:36 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <001d01c306cf$e23e0c60$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419210905.GX1262@techmonkeys.org> <002101c306be$ffe58290$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419231132.GY1262@techmonkeys.org> <001d01c306cf$e23e0c60$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030420011036.GZ1262@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 07:00:41PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > That's not a bug. qmail-smtpd is designed to run with rlimits. That's why > they exist in the first place. See this page for more details: > > http://cr.yp.to/qmail/venema.html > This is what djb always says when someone finds a bug, "that's not a bug!". So the repeated mantra of qmail is good, qmail is godly, qmail does no wrong, qmail does not lose my messages would be violated when it can't allocate enough resources to deliver the message due to rlimits, wonderful. All I have to do to shut down your SMTP server is push it to its resource limits, and keep it there. > How is that even remotely relevant? That is a third party patch to qmail. > That patch has a security hole, not qmail. I can write a nice little perl script to accept connections on port 25, and call it a mail daemon. Unfortunately you would be required to use other modules to get anything done in the real world. But hey, it's 100% secure and bug free. > With that logic, I could write buggy patches to any software and you would > claim the software itself was insecure. If it's required to make the software usable in the needed configuration, yes. > No, but software that has security holes is insecure. Can you point out any current bugs or security holes in sendmail? No? Then it must be 100% secure, just like qmail. > > Are you not encouraging people to run "insecure software"? > > My choice of email client has nothing to do with discussing MTAs. But > apparently you lack the ability to understand that. I find it amusing that > you can't find fault with what I am saying, so you have to find other, > non-related things to attack me with. I was responding to your 'we should not encourage insecure software' comment. I'm attempting to push you into proving your claim that qmail is 100% secure is correct. Unfortunately you *can not prove* that software is 100% secure and bug free, you can only prove that it has bugs, and fix them. The fault is in the "fact" that qmail is secure. openssl was secure, openbsd was secure, etc. are they now all insecure software that should be avoided at all costs? > > qmail has vulnerabilities, they haven't been (publicly) found yet. > > Prove it. (Oh, you can't. What a surprise.) Prove my version of sendmail has bugs. Oh! You can't? What a surprise. You also seem to have snipped out my linux kernel comment, would you care to reply, or silently ignore it because it ruins your argument? > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 21:06:22 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Just to funny. Message-ID: <20030419210622.N16895@real-time.com> Just too funny. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3073 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 21:24:47 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419210905.GX1262@techmonkeys.org> <002101c306be$ffe58290$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419231132.GY1262@techmonkeys.org> <001d01c306cf$e23e0c60$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030420011036.GZ1262@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <005201c306e4$039da8c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > qmail does not lose my messages would be violated when it > can't allocate enough resources to deliver the message due to > rlimits, wonderful. It doesn't lose messages. A message with enough recipients to reach rlimits is not legitimate anyway. If you think it would lose messages, perhaps you should learn how SMTP works. (Hint: MTAs will retry sending a message if the remote server is unavailable.) > All I have to do to shut down your SMTP server is push it to its > resource limits, and keep it there. Of course. You could also use up all available bandwidth. Denial of service attacks are not new and are not limited to qmail. All network services are vulnerable. What is your point? > I can write a nice little perl script to accept connections on port > 25, and call it a mail daemon. Unfortunately you would be required to > use other modules to get anything done in the real world. What is your point? qmail (not qmail with patches) works fine for at least 95% of its users. > If it's required to make the software usable in the needed > configuration, yes. Again, what is your point? Someone needed SMTP AUTH for their particular situation. That someone wrote a buggy patch. How is this relevant to qmail being secure? > Can you point out any current bugs or security holes in sendmail? No? > Then it must be 100% secure, just like qmail. Sendmail is not secure. It was not designed to be secure and it was not coded with security in mind. You don't make something secure by removing bugs. You make it secure by not writing them in the first place. > are they now all insecure software that > should be avoided at all costs? They should be avoided if there were reasonable alternatives. If Dan had an implementation of SSH or SSL, I would use it. > Prove my version of sendmail has bugs. There is no rational reason to believe that it is secure. It has had many security related bugs in the past and has not been rewritten. What makes you think all the bugs have been found? > You also seem to have snipped out my linux kernel comment, would you > care > to reply, or silently ignore it because it ruins your argument? See my response to Nate Carlson. He missed the point just like you did. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Sat Apr 19 22:29:22 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: <20030419213333.GA71244@botwerks.org> Message-ID: > this isn't entirely correct. route-bridged encapsulation (RBE) > enables a service provider to do "half-bridging" on a PVC without > requiring that they burn up a /30 in order to terminate a subscriber This is true, but at the time we were running on the 3810 (I would imagine most Qwest DSL ISP's were too), and RBE was (is?) only available on the 7200 and 6400 series. VISI had the luxury of justifying an ATM-DS3 immediately, so they didn't have to go through the 3810 pains that the rest of us had ;) Good to hear from you again Steve - I trust Cisco is doing well for you. > > > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > > > > > One of the issues I had was my old ISP insisted that I run my > > > cisco in router mode and my Freeswan doesn't like that so I had to > > > switch ISPs to get bridge support. In router mode, your outside > > > IP address <> your eth0 IP address cause it's doing NAT. Freeswan > > > sees this is a man-in-middle attack. > > > > > > Does the ActionTec support bridging? > > > > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Apr 19 23:01:24 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <005201c306e4$039da8c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419210905.GX1262@techmonkeys.org> <002101c306be$ffe58290$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419231132.GY1262@techmonkeys.org> <001d01c306cf$e23e0c60$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030420011036.GZ1262@techmonkeys.org> <005201c306e4$039da8c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030420040124.GC1262@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 09:24:47PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > It doesn't lose messages. A message with enough recipients to reach rlimits > is not legitimate anyway. If you think it would lose messages, perhaps you > should learn how SMTP works. (Hint: MTAs will retry sending a message if > the remote server is unavailable.) I'm well versed in the ways of SMTP, there are multiple ways it could lose a message due to rlimits. > Of course. You could also use up all available bandwidth. Denial of > service attacks are not new and are not limited to qmail. All network > services are vulnerable. What is your point? My point is that when possible, things should do their best to limit their exposure to possibly denial of service attacks. qmail (and any other mail daemon) could easily do this, yet djb chooses not to. > What is your point? qmail (not qmail with patches) works fine for at least > 95% of its users. And those 95% are a small percentage of the whole. If it were perfect, everyone would be using it. qmail without patches would not have satisfied the original posters needs. > Again, what is your point? Someone needed SMTP AUTH for their particular > situation. That someone wrote a buggy patch. How is this relevant to qmail > being secure? This whole thread started because someone needed SMTP AUTH, that functionality requires third party add-ons to qmail that are insecure. You recommended an insecure product while putting down all other mail daemons because they're "insecure". > Sendmail is not secure. It was not designed to be secure and it was not > coded with security in mind. You don't make something secure by removing > bugs. You make it secure by not writing them in the first place. So qmail never had bugs from day one, I find that hard to believe. This site has a list of RFC violations, and bugs. http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html I think they put it nicely: >>> 5.1. Security guarantee The security guarantee is a smoke ball. USD 500 are a ridiculous amount for the audit of qmail. <<< > They should be avoided if there were reasonable alternatives. If Dan had an > implementation of SSH or SSL, I would use it. So, it's okay unless djb has written something. Your reasoning is flawed, just because some piece of software has had a bug in it, it should be scrapped and completely rewritten? > > Prove my version of sendmail has bugs. > > There is no rational reason to believe that it is secure. It has had many > security related bugs in the past and has not been rewritten. What makes > you think all the bugs have been found? Because I Said So, that's what you're expecting others to go on. Just because qmail hasn't had any [serious] public bugs, should I expect that nobody will ever find one? And when they do, will djb scrap qmail and write it from scratch all over again? > See my response to Nate Carlson. He missed the point just like you did. See above, you seem to be okay with shoddy software (MSOE, for example) unless the deity djb has written something to perform that service. Perhaps you should let people know that you're a djb follower before trolling mailing lists. Perhaps you should use the unsubscribe link in the mail headers to distance yourself from such an insecure operating system (Linux) the mail server that delivered this message to you (sendmail) and the mailing list software handling the lists (mailman). The DNS servers inbetween (BIND) might taint you too. > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 19 23:18:42 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Take it offline was: Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <20030420011036.GZ1262@techmonkeys.org> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <001d01c306cf$e23e0c60$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030420011036.GZ1262@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200304192318.46215@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 19 April 2003 08:10 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 07:00:41PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: Ok, stop feeding the troll. Take this offline. Thanks. - -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+oh+mfPGnCSzBsogRAva3AKDGQ9tEnp4qvDy4JrJdFdSX+Ssg7gCgtQwS qgq3HTcs27z2I65AGXT4fzE= =NvaD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Apr 19 23:30:26 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419070117.GV1262@techmonkeys.org> <002401c30647$8b5a6e30$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419210905.GX1262@techmonkeys.org> <002101c306be$ffe58290$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030419231132.GY1262@techmonkeys.org> <001d01c306cf$e23e0c60$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030420011036.GZ1262@techmonkeys.org> <005201c306e4$039da8c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030420040124.GC1262@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <002c01c306f5$912e9850$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > I'm well versed in the ways of SMTP, there are multiple ways it could > lose a message due to rlimits. Really? How? qmail-smtpd does not crash when it runs out of memory. It gracefully recovers and returns the proper 4xx error code: $ dd if=/dev/zero of=foo count=1 bs=2M 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 2097152 bytes transferred in 0.032621 seconds (64288324 bytes/sec) $ softlimit -m 1500000 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd < foo 220 david.maridia.com ESMTP 421 out of memory (#4.3.0) > My point is that when possible, things should do their best to limit > their exposure to possibly denial of service attacks. qmail (and any other > mail daemon) could easily do this, yet djb chooses not to. So you think that every program should do extra work to artificially limit resource utilization when it is already built into the kernel? > If it were perfect, everyone would be using it. No, there would still be people like you that would refuse to use it for whatever reason. > qmail without patches would > not have satisfied the original posters needs. Not necessarily. He required authentication for SMTP relaying. POP-before-SMTP likely would have met his needs. But this is a moot point, considering we don't know the real problem he was trying to solve. > This whole thread started because someone needed SMTP AUTH, that > functionality requires third party add-ons to qmail that are insecure. No, he needed authenticated relaying. SMTP AUTH is only one solution to that problem. Don't assume every problem only has one solution. > You recommended an insecure product while putting down all other > mail daemons because they're "insecure". It's interesting to see you resort to lying when you can't make a logical point. > So qmail never had bugs from day one, I find that hard to believe. No one has ever claimed it doesn't have bugs. It does not have security holes. > So, it's okay unless djb has written something. Your reasoning is > flawed, just because some piece of software has had a bug in it, it > should be scrapped and completely rewritten? Dan is one of the few people that truely understands how to write reliable and secure software. So, yes, I trust his software. In most cases, a single security bug is an indication of an even bigger problem. When you have a cut and it gets infected, you don't simply put a bandaid over it and pretend everything is fine. You have to fix the source of the problem. Software is the same way. > See above, you seem to be okay with shoddy software (MSOE, for > example) unless the deity djb has written something to perform that > service. Perhaps you should let people know that you're a djb follower > before trolling mailing lists. If I had a good way to export four years of mail into maildir or similiar, perhaps I would switch to Mutt. But instead of resorting to bringing up unrelated issues, perhaps you could educate yourself as to why qmail is secure and other MTAs aren't? -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Apr 20 00:05:28 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Take it offline was: Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <200304192318.46215@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <001d01c306cf$e23e0c60$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030420011036.GZ1262@techmonkeys.org> <200304192318.46215@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <2756.192.1.1.15.1050815128.squirrel@dccmn.com> Don't ever use troll. It's buggy. It's insecure and will make your hair fall out. Besides I heard there offering $500 for each troll you bring in. :{)> Bob Tanner said: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Saturday 19 April 2003 08:10 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 07:00:41PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > > Ok, stop feeding the troll. Take this offline. Thanks. > > - -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE+oh+mfPGnCSzBsogRAva3AKDGQ9tEnp4qvDy4JrJdFdSX+Ssg7gCgtQwS > qgq3HTcs27z2I65AGXT4fzE= > =NvaD > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Apr 20 00:14:08 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20030419213333.GA71244@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20030420051408.GA75291@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Saturday, Apr 19, 2003), Adam Maloney was madly tapping out: > > this isn't entirely correct. route-bridged encapsulation (RBE) > > enables a service provider to do "half-bridging" on a PVC without > > requiring that they burn up a /30 in order to terminate a subscriber > > This is true, but at the time we were running on the 3810 (I would > imagine most Qwest DSL ISP's were too), and RBE was (is?) only > available on the 7200 and 6400 series. VISI had the luxury of > justifying an ATM-DS3 immediately, so they didn't have to go through > the 3810 pains that the rest of us had ;) last i heard this functionality had been ported to the low end platforms as well, this is pretty old functionality. it may not be CEF switched but the baseline functionality should be there. rbe was developed specifically to address the issues of small ISPs with bridged deployments, since it doesn't require touching the customers configuration to move them off of it. though, why anyone would actually choose a bridged mode of operation is beyond me. there are simply too many downsides. i have to think that if the platform supports ppp termination and LNS functionality that there should be support for rbe. > Good to hear from you again Steve - I trust Cisco is doing well for > you. heh, small world - i'm just taking care of business. > > > On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 waynej@dccmn.com wrote: > > > > > > > One of the issues I had was my old ISP insisted that I run my > > > > cisco in router mode and my Freeswan doesn't like that so I had to > > > > switch ISPs to get bridge support. In router mode, your outside > > > > IP address <> your eth0 IP address cause it's doing NAT. Freeswan > > > > sees this is a man-in-middle attack. iirc - there are patches to freeswan to enable it to work over udp transport. if this isn't amenable, check to see if the isp in questions supports pppoe and run a pppoe client on the gw device while the pvc is configured in 1483 bridged mode. i don't know if the pppoe implementation on linux presents a routable interface that freeswan can use but it's another way to skin the cat. > > > > Does the ActionTec support bridging? { snipped - misc .signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sun Apr 20 13:41:50 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11 internet access In-Reply-To: <20030418152455.A26856@thinkunix.net> References: <1050697998.31137.35.camel@lotsa> <20030418152455.A26856@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <16034.59886.906612.233151@tsathoggua.mydomain> Scot Jenkins writes: > most Dunn Brothers' coffee shops are wired. Not the 34th and Hennepin one :-( R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sun Apr 20 13:46:02 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DSL and Linux + 67[58] CAP vs DMT In-Reply-To: <200304182004.12211@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200304182004.12211@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <16034.60138.707607.792913@tsathoggua.mydomain> Bob Tanner writes: > On Friday 18 April 2003 03:36 pm, kiler0n@ags-us.com wrote: > > ...believe it or not 675s as well. I sold 5 on Ebay early this year :) > > Got about $20 for each of them. > > Note of warning here, because of just buying any old Cisco router, since you > have to make sure your CPE (router) matches what Qwest puts to your house. > > Wanna make sure router is CAP or DMT and the line matches. Yup. I think the 675s are now just doorstops. That was my experience. I had two :-(. The 678's firmware can be changed, so I think it's ok if you get one that's CAP --- just dl new firmware and you're ok. r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sun Apr 20 13:49:29 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Sniffer Detection In-Reply-To: <32823.192.168.2.249.1050477347.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <32823.192.168.2.249.1050477347.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <16034.60345.86109.614399@tsathoggua.mydomain> Mark Courtney writes: > Is there any way to detect if ports are being probed/sniffed? I've seen > programs like Snort, etc. Does anyone have any opionions about intrusion > detection systems? Are they effective? Are there other ways to manually > detect intrusion? Depends. The tradeoff in configuring Tripwire + Snort versus rebuilding if you're rooted may well not be in favor of Tripwire + Snort. I've never tried Tripwire (Mandrake's msec gives you "tripwire lite"), but snort is an absolute bear to commission. You'll spend an age filtering out the rules that give you pointless false positives. R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Apr 20 14:59:55 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Sniffer Detection In-Reply-To: <16034.60345.86109.614399@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <32823.192.168.2.249.1050477347.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <16034.60345.86109.614399@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <200304201459.55722@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Sunday 20 April 2003 01:49 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Mark Courtney writes: > > Is there any way to detect if ports are being probed/sniffed? I've seen > > programs like Snort, etc. Does anyone have any opionions about > > intrusion detection systems? Are they effective? Are there other ways > > to manually detect intrusion? > > Depends. The tradeoff in configuring Tripwire + Snort versus > rebuilding if you're rooted may well not be in favor of Tripwire + > Snort. I've never tried Tripwire (Mandrake's msec gives you > "tripwire lite"), but snort is an absolute bear to commission. You'll > spend an age filtering out the rules that give you pointless false > positives. Hmm, sounds like a tclug project :-) Snort configuration for a "typical" home network? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Sun Apr 20 20:07:42 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xmms prob (not really a bug) Message-ID: <3EA3445E.9080306@netzero.net> Finally took the time to figure it out. A problem I haven't really mentioned on the list but rather at the beer meeting to Josa and Wil. Anyway.. It seems that if a sound is sent to artsd while xmms is playing artsd "queues" the sound for after the sound device is released. Then arts plays the sound, takes over /dev/dsp and xmms panics trying to access it. The problem seems to have gone away after I installed the arts plugin and used it. What puzzles me is this: How was xmms able to play in the first place using the esd plugin if I never had esd running? If I assume that the esd plugin is smart enough to use artsd if it doesn't find esd then why oh why did it freeze?? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Apr 21 00:41:46 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Sniffer Detection In-Reply-To: <16034.60345.86109.614399@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <32823.192.168.2.249.1050477347.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <16034.60345.86109.614399@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <1050903708.1803.18.camel@lotsa> > I've never tried Tripwire (Mandrake's msec gives you > "tripwire lite"), but snort is an absolute bear to commission. I've used Tripwire quite a bit. It's not _too_ bad to configure once you figure out how to manage the encrypted configuration and database files. You start out with a lot of false positives and tweak it until you are happy with what it complains about. It's not a port sniffer though. It's an "after the fact" thing as the name implies. It scans your system files for changes. inods, sizes, growing or shrinking, access times, etc. The idea being to inform you soon after your system has been compromised or when users are doing things they shouldn't be. -Tom On Sun, 2003-04-20 at 13:49, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Mark Courtney writes: > > Is there any way to detect if ports are being probed/sniffed? I've seen > > programs like Snort, etc. Does anyone have any opionions about intrusion > > detection systems? Are they effective? Are there other ways to manually > > detect intrusion? > > Depends. The tradeoff in configuring Tripwire + Snort versus > rebuilding if you're rooted may well not be in favor of Tripwire + > Snort. I've never tried Tripwire (Mandrake's msec gives you > "tripwire lite"), but snort is an absolute bear to commission. You'll > spend an age filtering out the rules that give you pointless false > positives. > > R > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Mon Apr 21 03:26:29 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Sniffer Detection In-Reply-To: <32823.192.168.2.249.1050477347.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <32823.192.168.2.249.1050477347.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <3EA3AB35.60102@netzero.net> iptables does the simple job of loggin attempted connections, then there's probably something else you'd want to use for monitoring a log file for consecutive connections from the same addy. > Is there any way to detect if ports are being probed/sniffed? I've seen > programs like Snort, etc. Does anyone have any opionions about intrusion > detection systems? Are they effective? Are there other ways to manually > detect intrusion? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Mon Apr 21 03:31:00 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xmms prob (not really a bug) In-Reply-To: <3EA3445E.9080306@netzero.net> References: <3EA3445E.9080306@netzero.net> Message-ID: <3EA3AC44.5000209@netzero.net> ack! that'd be Jima and Wil > to Josa and Wil. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Sun Apr 20 22:12:38 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gnome-settings-daemon Message-ID: <3EA361A6.7010407@netzero.net> Ehem, anyone know how to properly run gnome-settings-daemon or as I suspect rather gconfd-2 (gtk2 config daemon?) under kde? What I'm trying to achieve is having gtk2 apps display with fonts used under gnome2 (yes it is imperitive). gaim starts up with a font that i can't change and that isnt unicode _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Apr 21 08:32:20 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <00e401c30624$8e144bf0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, David Phillips wrote: > I recommend using POP-before-SMTP. It is a simpler, cleaner solution that > works with more clients. ...assuming you're using POP3, and not IMAP. I'm not even going near the flamewar-starting portion of this email. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Apr 21 09:09:49 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Sniffer Detection In-Reply-To: <200304201459.55722@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <32823.192.168.2.249.1050477347.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <16034.60345.86109.614399@tsathoggua.mydomain> <200304201459.55722@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030421090949.44a6a354.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:59:55 -0500 Bob Tanner wrote: > Hmm, sounds like a tclug project :-) Snort configuration for a > "typical" home network? > I'm interested! But, now define the "typical" home network. =P _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From likot at yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 09:15:56 2003 From: likot at yahoo.com (likot) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030421141556.86014.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jima wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, David Phillips wrote: > > I recommend using POP-before-SMTP. It is a > simpler, cleaner solution that > > works with more clients. > > ...assuming you're using POP3, and not IMAP. > then IMAP before smtp is for you, works the same way. -Dek __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Apr 21 09:36:34 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying References: Message-ID: <000c01c30813$6870f560$0201a8c0@brinstar> Jima writes: > ...assuming you're using POP3, and not IMAP. It works just fine with IMAP too. In fact, if you use vpopmail, it works automatically with no extra configuration. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Apr 21 09:58:46 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: <000c01c30813$6870f560$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, David Phillips wrote: > It works just fine with IMAP too. In fact, if you use vpopmail, it works > automatically with no extra configuration. Works just fine with Courier IMAP. Doesn't mention any others. I think I'll pass; my users like SMTP AUTH. And no, I'm not using vpopmail -- I'm not using qmail or postfix. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Mon Apr 21 10:54:09 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Message-ID: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> Hey everyone, As I'd feared, DSL is not available at our new house. (Moving in on Friday and since it's new construction I couldn't get the line tested until it was connected.) Qwest says that there's fiber on the line between the CO and my house. So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently have DSL through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run several small Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand that the normal residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. What can I do? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Mon Apr 21 10:55:21 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6187A@IPSERVER2> Pay for an account to run servers like the rest of the world. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Wilson [SMTP:wilson@visi.com] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:54 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house > > Hey everyone, > > As I'd feared, DSL is not available at our new house. (Moving in on Friday > and > since it's new construction I couldn't get the line tested until it was > connected.) Qwest says that there's fiber on the line between the CO and > my > house. > > So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently have > DSL > through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run several > small > Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand that the normal > residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. > > What can I do? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Apr 21 10:57:36 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: Residential T-1 for $600/month, loop included? Wireless to a fellow LUGers house? On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > As I'd feared, DSL is not available at our new house. (Moving in on Friday and > since it's new construction I couldn't get the line tested until it was > connected.) Qwest says that there's fiber on the line between the CO and my > house. > > So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently have DSL > through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run several small > Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand that the normal > residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. > > What can I do? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Apr 21 11:01:29 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Message-ID: Do you mean "buy a t1", or are you saying their are cable providers that do allow servers, and say so in their Terms of Service? I am under the impression that not even "Business Class" cable customers can run servers, according to the TOS available for those services. A t1 is an option, but at $600, an expensive one (for residential use). >>> RWare@interplastic.com 04/21/03 10:55AM >>> Pay for an account to run servers like the rest of the world. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Wilson [SMTP:wilson@visi.com] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:54 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house > > Hey everyone, > > As I'd feared, DSL is not available at our new house. (Moving in on Friday > and > since it's new construction I couldn't get the line tested until it was > connected.) Qwest says that there's fiber on the line between the CO and > my > house. > > So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently have > DSL > through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run several > small > Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand that the normal > residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. > > What can I do? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Mon Apr 21 11:12:42 2003 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Message-ID: Hrmmm... Last I looked visi offered point - point T1 for ~$200/m. Of course I'm not up on my P2P T1 technology and don't quite know what the problems with that would be. I'm assuming it's a P2P direct to Visi. I don't see too many disadvantages to this since they have some large backbones to the other major networks. sim > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:01 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house > > > Do you mean "buy a t1", or are you saying > their are cable providers that do allow servers, > and say so in their Terms of Service? I am under > the impression that not even "Business Class" > cable customers can run servers, according to > the TOS available for those services. > > A t1 is an option, but at $600, an expensive one > (for residential use). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Apr 21 11:17:55 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Hrmmm... Last I looked visi offered point - point T1 for ~$200/m. s/200/1200/ (full t-1) $249/month for 320k, but plus local loop. How about $400/month for 512k including loop? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Mon Apr 21 11:18:56 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304211118.56302.wilson@visi.com> On Monday 21 April 2003 11:01, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Do you mean "buy a t1", or are you saying > their are cable providers that do allow servers, > and say so in their Terms of Service? I am under > the impression that not even "Business Class" > cable customers can run servers, according to > the TOS available for those services. I need to look into the business class access further. I'm certainly not going to buy a T1 for the house. It looks like AT&T broadband is Comcast now. Any thoughts on their service? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 21 11:25:08 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently > have DSL through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run > several small Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand > that the normal residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. Yeah.. since you're doing mailing lists, you'd need a static IP anyways, which you're not going to get. Time to call your cable provider (probably Comcast or RoadRunner, unless you're in a Charter area) and see if you can get business-class service? It's more expensive, but it'd give you what you need. Otherwise, get residential cable, and find a friend who's got some spare static IP's and is willing to let you throw a box on one of 'em. :) You may also want to check with Covad and see if you can get DSL service through them. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Mon Apr 21 11:25:37 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6187C@IPSERVER2> Why not colo at an ISP? > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy.A Johnson [SMTP:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 11:01 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house > > Do you mean "buy a t1", or are you saying > their are cable providers that do allow servers, > and say so in their Terms of Service? I am under > the impression that not even "Business Class" > cable customers can run servers, according to > the TOS available for those services. > > A t1 is an option, but at $600, an expensive one > (for residential use). > > >>> RWare@interplastic.com 04/21/03 10:55AM >>> > Pay for an account to run servers like the rest of the world. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Wilson [SMTP:wilson@visi.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:54 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > As I'd feared, DSL is not available at our new house. (Moving in on > Friday > > and > > since it's new construction I couldn't get the line tested until it was > > > connected.) Qwest says that there's fiber on the line between the CO > and > > my > > house. > > > > So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently have > > DSL > > through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run several > > small > > Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand that the normal > > residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. > > > > What can I do? > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson > > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > > Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy > > mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 21 11:30:17 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211118.56302.wilson@visi.com> References: <200304211118.56302.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <200304211130.17596@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 21 April 2003 11:18 am, Tim Wilson wrote: > I need to look into the business class access further. I'm certainly not > going to buy a T1 for the house. It looks like AT&T broadband is Comcast > now. Any thoughts on their service? Broadband for cheap + static IPs + reasonable TOS + good service + a large cable comany? When you find this company, let me know. :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Mon Apr 21 11:25:47 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <1050942347.2583.24.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Well, I'm in the same situation, I'm stuck with speakeasy iDSL (=144k isdn line). It's pricey ($90/month) but I've been on dialup for far too long. The TOS allows servers and the static ip comes standard. websites and mailing lists should be ok at this speed depending on your traffic volume. You may want to tweak the sites a bit, speakeasy gives 10M free hosting, I'd upload the images to their server that way your just sending ASCII through your 144k pipe rather than binary images that could eat it up quick. The iDSL is the only thing I've seen that can go past the 15000ft DSL limit other than satellite (decent upload/download speeds can get you a ~$600 install fee and a hefty monthly rate), and you can occasionally get a free install deal from them. My plan was to stay on for the year and check for better/faster/cheaper services then, so far nothing. Hope this info helps On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 10:54, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > As I'd feared, DSL is not available at our new house. (Moving in on Friday and > since it's new construction I couldn't get the line tested until it was > connected.) Qwest says that there's fiber on the line between the CO and my > house. > > So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently have DSL > through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run several small > Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand that the normal > residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. > > What can I do? > > -Tim -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 21 11:27:48 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <200304211127.48318@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 21 April 2003 10:54 am, Tim Wilson wrote: > So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently have DSL > through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run several small > Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand that the normal > residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. Colocate a server at visi? Get residential cable and hope the ip doesn't change? Get business cable? Get IDSL? Get 2-channel ISDN? Get frame? Get cable for you, dialup for your websites and mailing lists? :-) Get your pen out and -hand- write a letter to the PUC? > What can I do? Don't run any critical services at home unless you plan to live there a long time? :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sos at zjod.net Mon Apr 21 11:40:00 2003 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211118.56302.wilson@visi.com> from "Tim Wilson" at Apr 21, 2003 11:18:56 AM Message-ID: <200304211640.h3LGe0517394@zjod.net> Tim Wilson wrote: > > I need to look into the business class access further. I'm certainly not going > to buy a T1 for the house. It looks like AT&T broadband is Comcast now. Any > thoughts on their service? > > -Tim Thoughs on Comcast's service? Yeah... even worse than was AT&T Broadband's. In a move to cut off customers running their own mail servers (and thereby slow down the "earn money at home spamming people" crowd), Comcast supplied a list of all their dynamic TCP addresses to AOL, who promptly stopped accepting mail from those addresses. The fix for this is to re-gen your sendmail.cf file after adding "define(`SMART_HOST',`mail.attbi.com')" to your sendmail.mc file. However, test emails to AOL recently took over an hour to be delivered via this "fix" (it used to take about 40 seconds when I was doing it directly). Note that Comcast, from what I can find out, does _not_ offer "Comcast High-Speed Internet Pro" in the MSP area. It apparently comes with a static-ip address (and a $95/month fee for 3.5Mbps down/384Kbps up). I can't find out if you're allowed to run servers at this level or not... so your mileage may vary... if you can get it. -S _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil at rephil.org Mon Apr 21 12:22:58 2003 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on an Alpha In-Reply-To: <20030418203300.19192.48860.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030418203300.19192.48860.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030421172258.9AEE973D24@maynard.rephil.org> Nate Carlson mumbled: >> But so far, haven't figured out how to get Debian up and running on >> it, the documentation is a bit fuzzy, espically since I have AlphaBIOS >> and have to use milo (at least, that's what I got out of Debian's >> docs) > > I got it working a long time ago, and I know Phil's had it working (since > I sold my AlphaStation to him)... can't remember anything about it, but if > you wanted to drag it by the office sometime when I was in, I'd give'ya a > hand with it. :) Well, I'm a day late and a dollar short since I think the Alpha in question is running now, but let me know if you need further assistance. If you're not reading it, the debian-alpha list (debian-alpha@lists.debian.org) is a must read. Jay Estabrook at DEC/CED/Compaq/qapmoC/HP can help you navigate through the various versions of MILO, if that becomes confusing. Also, don't be frustrated if you find compiling kernels doesn't go exactly as you expect; there are a few differences from x86. 'make boot' instead of 'make bzImage' is the biggest, but there's a little bit of massaging to do with 2.4.x kernels. And the shared memory settings are rarely right. But, Alpha linux is a thing of beauty -- I get years of uptime on the server! Cheers, P -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Mon Apr 21 12:20:48 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <48462.63.137.56.228.1050945648.squirrel@dccmn.com> Tim Wilson said: > Hey everyone, > > As I'd feared, DSL is not available at our new house. (Moving in on > Friday and since it's new construction I couldn't get the line tested > until it was connected.) Qwest says that there's fiber on the line > between the CO and my house. > > So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently have > DSL through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run > several small Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand > that the normal residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. Well, our school is running a server through AT&T Broadband, so there is no blocks preventing this. See http://heritage1.dyndns.org. We do have to run dyndns, which so far has been fine. We do run most or our web and e-mail traffic through another site though, so I don't know if there is a problem with SMTP through dydns (as I was told there was). Dyndns.org has some info on doing SMTP with dyndns, so feel free to research there. You might want to check Covad DSL. They seem to service areas where Qwest doesn't. Good luck and welcome to the club. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Mon Apr 21 12:30:27 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211118.56302.wilson@visi.com> References: <200304211118.56302.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <50271.63.137.56.228.1050946227.squirrel@dccmn.com> I was just talking to a co-worker this morning about it. He said that the service was 100% better than AT&T. Tim Wilson said: > On Monday 21 April 2003 11:01, Troy.A Johnson wrote: >> Do you mean "buy a t1", or are you saying >> their are cable providers that do allow servers, >> and say so in their Terms of Service? I am under >> the impression that not even "Business Class" >> cable customers can run servers, according to >> the TOS available for those services. > > I need to look into the business class access further. I'm certainly not > going to buy a T1 for the house. It looks like AT&T broadband is > Comcast now. Any thoughts on their service? > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 21 12:35:00 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <50271.63.137.56.228.1050946227.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Wayne Johnson wrote: > I was just talking to a co-worker this morning about it. He said that > the service was 100% better than AT&T. Well, if you double nothing, you still get nothing.. *grin* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Mon Apr 21 12:38:06 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c30813$6870f560$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <51310.63.137.56.228.1050946686.squirrel@dccmn.com> Ooooh no. Here we go again. Why doesn't squirrelmail have a kill key like usenet use to. Jima said: > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, David Phillips wrote: >> It works just fine with IMAP too. In fact, if you use vpopmail, it >> works automatically with no extra configuration. > > Works just fine with Courier IMAP. Doesn't mention any others. > I think I'll pass; my users like SMTP AUTH. > And no, I'm not using vpopmail -- I'm not using qmail or postfix. > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kiler0n at ags-us.com Mon Apr 21 12:54:53 2003 From: kiler0n at ags-us.com (Tony Kelleran) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Message-ID: I have a couple servers using dyndns for SMTP mail. No problems yet. Tim Wilson said: > Hey everyone, > > As I'd feared, DSL is not available at our new house. (Moving in on > Friday and since it's new construction I couldn't get the line tested > until it was connected.) Qwest says that there's fiber on the line > between the CO and my house. > > So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently have > DSL through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run > several small Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand > that the normal residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. Well, our school is running a server through AT&T Broadband, so there is no blocks preventing this. See http://heritage1.dyndns.org. We do have to run dyndns, which so far has been fine. We do run most or our web and e-mail traffic through another site though, so I don't know if there is a problem with SMTP through dydns (as I was told there was). Dyndns.org has some info on doing SMTP with dyndns, so feel free to research there. You might want to check Covad DSL. They seem to service areas where Qwest doesn't. Good luck and welcome to the club. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Mon Apr 21 13:02:47 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304211302.47190.wilson@visi.com> On Monday 21 April 2003 12:54, Tony Kelleran wrote: > You might want to check Covad DSL. They seem to service areas where Qwest > doesn't. I just called Covad. They can do IDSL (144 kbps both ways) for $139.95/mo. Bummer. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Mon Apr 21 12:58:43 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable Message-ID: I got a 1000' spool from Werner Electric's City Desk for ~$40 plus tax. They would've split it down to 500' (half price, no extra surcharge or anything) but I needed it sooner. Took them a few days to move one from a different warehouse, but they were low on their stock at the time, too. -John >>> chewbaka@toughguy.net 04/18/03 02:57PM >>> Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 2:55:22 PM Central Standard Time Hi All.... Where is the best place to get a box of CAT 5 UTP cable here in the Twin Cities. I used top pay about 40-45 bucks in LA for 1000 feet. Any ideas would be great. Thanks & Rock-On, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Mon Apr 21 13:07:36 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030421180735.GR8625@mnsdev3> On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 10:54:09AM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > As I'd feared, DSL is not available at our new house. (Moving in on Friday and > since it's new construction I couldn't get the line tested until it was > connected.) Qwest says that there's fiber on the line between the CO and my > house. Same thing just happened to me, brand new house, couldn't test until it was connected and I had to wait 10 days. BLAH! > So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently have DSL > through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run several small > Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand that the normal > residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. ATT (Now comcast) does NOT allow servers, and as far as my investigations are suggesting, they don't offer business service in Minnesota either. I'm getting very annoyed by qwest not wanting to tell me why I can't qualify for dsl. They wont tell me if it's line-quality or wheter there's filters on the line somewhere. When will dsl become a public utility? (Don't even bother answering, I know what the answer is). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Apr 21 13:15:11 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <20030421180735.GR8625@mnsdev3> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> <20030421180735.GR8625@mnsdev3> Message-ID: <20030421181511.GI1262@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 01:07:36PM -0500, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > I'm getting very annoyed by qwest not wanting to tell me why I can't > qualify for dsl. They wont tell me if it's line-quality or wheter there's > filters on the line somewhere. When will dsl become a public utility? > (Don't even bother answering, I know what the answer is). It's the line taps. =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Mon Apr 21 13:20:59 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <20030421181511.GI1262@techmonkeys.org> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> <20030421180735.GR8625@mnsdev3> <20030421181511.GI1262@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030421182059.GS8625@mnsdev3> On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 01:15:11PM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 01:07:36PM -0500, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > I'm getting very annoyed by qwest not wanting to tell me why I can't > > qualify for dsl. They wont tell me if it's line-quality or wheter there's > > filters on the line somewhere. When will dsl become a public utility? > > (Don't even bother answering, I know what the answer is). > > It's the line taps. =) In that case, I hope they enjoy the dialup noises! -- Thomas Eibner, Software Engineer Reuters Information Technology Inc. St Paul, MN. Phone: 651-846-2137 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Mon Apr 21 13:24:39 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] noise cancellation Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF1B@mail.temgweb.com> Does anyone know of any noise cancellation software for linux? Something that can listen on a mic, and produce the opposite output on the speakers to cancel out ambient noise? Either that, or a big muffler for my power supply fan. :) Software is cooler though. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Apr 21 13:27:12 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Message-ID: That is exactly what qwest did to me. Very annoying. I made some headway there by treating this as a service issue (ie. I wanted some service). Eventually they connected me with some "yes" people, but that went nowhere fast. I don't know if that was because I did not pursue it (because I was experiencing a "lack of funding" problem at the time) or what. Eventually, I asked Covad to see if they could do something for me. They, to my surprise, said yes and after only a small delay got things installed and running. Immediately after that, qwest emailed me (I was on their "contact me when I can get DSL" list) to say that they could offer me DSL services. Oh yay! Talk about not deserving my business. >>> eibner@mnmailhost.bridge.com 04/21/03 01:07PM >>> I'm getting very annoyed by qwest not wanting to tell me why I can't qualify for dsl. They wont tell me if it's line-quality or wheter there's filters on the line somewhere. When will dsl become a public utility? (Don't even bother answering, I know what the answer is). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Mon Apr 21 13:34:04 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211640.h3LGe0517394@zjod.net> References: <200304211640.h3LGe0517394@zjod.net> Message-ID: <200304211334.04912.wilson@visi.com> On Monday 21 April 2003 11:40, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Note that Comcast, from what I can find out, does _not_ offer "Comcast > High-Speed Internet Pro" in the MSP area. It apparently comes with a > static-ip address (and a $95/month fee for 3.5Mbps down/384Kbps up). I > can't find out if you're allowed to run servers at this level or not... so > your mileage may vary... if you can get it. I just called Comcast. They don't offer any packages here that include a static IP and the guy on the phone was very clear that they don't allow Web servers. Time to investigate DynDNS. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Mon Apr 21 13:36:53 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Requiring authentication on SMTP relaying Message-ID: I just followed this: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml last weekend and more or less went off without a hitch. This can be done with most any mta, i think. This specific info is centered around gentoo, but should translate fairly easily. Uses postfix, courier-imap, cyrus-sasl, authenticates in a mysql db, so your mail password can be different from your shell password (but you don't need a shell account, necessarilly) and also goes into squirrel-mail (peripheral for what you want though). my $0.02. >>> waynej@dccmn.com 04/18/03 08:28PM >>> I have a friend who wants to set up an e-mail server. We wants to be able to accept e-mail from outlook, etc. via SMTP from his customers. In otherwords, he needs to support relaying from other machines on the internet... Of course we don't want to set up an open relay. But we also don't know the ip addresses of the customers either, so we can't use the sendmail access table to accept mail from certain machines. Outlook, etc appears to support authentication on mail connections. Anyone know how to set this up with sendmail? Is this what sasl is used for? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Mon Apr 21 13:47:24 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211334.04912.wilson@visi.com> References: <200304211640.h3LGe0517394@zjod.net> <200304211334.04912.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030421184723.GU8625@mnsdev3> On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 01:34:04PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > On Monday 21 April 2003 11:40, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > Note that Comcast, from what I can find out, does _not_ offer "Comcast > > High-Speed Internet Pro" in the MSP area. It apparently comes with a > > static-ip address (and a $95/month fee for 3.5Mbps down/384Kbps up). I > > can't find out if you're allowed to run servers at this level or not... so > > your mileage may vary... if you can get it. > > I just called Comcast. They don't offer any packages here that include a > static IP and the guy on the phone was very clear that they don't allow Web > servers. Time to investigate DynDNS. Be happy if they will even let you register if you don't have a flavor of windows with a cdrom drive. I moved the comcast cable internet connection I had at my appartment to the new house and I needed to reprovision the modem/nic combo with a windowscd that came, the guy close to refused helping me with it since my pc didn't have a cdrom-drive and was all bitchy about having to do it manually and going on on his bitch-pitch about how I really shouldn't have been able to have them install cable modem at my new location since I didn't have a cdrom drive! sheesh, you wonder if they actually want customers?? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Mon Apr 21 14:05:15 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF1D@mail.temgweb.com> I've found that it's best to just hide your computers when they come out and tell them that you don't have one yet. Then they will just register you using their laptop. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Eibner [mailto:eibner@mnmailhost.bridge.com] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:47 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 01:34:04PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > > On Monday 21 April 2003 11:40, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > > Note that Comcast, from what I can find out, does _not_ > offer "Comcast > > > High-Speed Internet Pro" in the MSP area. It apparently > comes with a > > > static-ip address (and a $95/month fee for 3.5Mbps > down/384Kbps up). I > > > can't find out if you're allowed to run servers at this > level or not... so > > > your mileage may vary... if you can get it. > > > > I just called Comcast. They don't offer any packages here > that include a > > static IP and the guy on the phone was very clear that they > don't allow Web > > servers. Time to investigate DynDNS. > > Be happy if they will even let you register if you don't have > a flavor of > windows with a cdrom drive. I moved the comcast cable > internet connection > I had at my appartment to the new house and I needed to > reprovision the > modem/nic combo with a windowscd that came, the guy close to > refused helping > me with it since my pc didn't have a cdrom-drive and was all > bitchy about > having to do it manually and going on on his bitch-pitch > about how I really > shouldn't have been able to have them install cable modem at > my new location > since I didn't have a cdrom drive! > > sheesh, you wonder if they actually want customers?? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Mon Apr 21 14:13:33 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <1050942347.2583.24.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> <1050942347.2583.24.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1050952413.2586.47.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> As an add-on, speakeasy actually supports Linux, by that I mean you can call them up, tell them your on Linux and they'll do their best to walk you through it. They officially support Red Hat, but they're willing to work with you on Mandrake/Slack/etc... However they are using Covad and Qwest for hardware, and I got really shitty service from them. The install should have taken 2 weeks by their estimate, it ended up taking a month and a half. That and Qwest installed the box on the inside of the house by using double-sided foam tape to secure the box in the laundry room between the boards in the ceiling. This lasted a whole 6 hours before crashing to the floor in pieces and taking another week for them to come out to install a new one the right way. Just thought I should add that, since people are commenting on support and quality issues. So far I like speakeasy a lot, their service hasn't been down since I've been with them, and their tech support is very kind and helpful, I just wish it wasn't so damn expensive. I've also told Covad and Qwest where they can stick their service, but thats a tale for a different list/email. On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 11:25, Chris Frederick wrote: > Well, I'm in the same situation, I'm stuck with speakeasy iDSL (=144k > isdn line). It's pricey ($90/month) but I've been on dialup for far too > long. The TOS allows servers and the static ip comes standard. > websites and mailing lists should be ok at this speed depending on your > traffic volume. You may want to tweak the sites a bit, speakeasy gives > 10M free hosting, I'd upload the images to their server that way your > just sending ASCII through your 144k pipe rather than binary images that > could eat it up quick. The iDSL is the only thing I've seen that can go > past the 15000ft DSL limit other than satellite (decent upload/download > speeds can get you a ~$600 install fee and a hefty monthly rate), and > you can occasionally get a free install deal from them. My plan was to > stay on for the year and check for better/faster/cheaper services then, > so far nothing. Hope this info helps > > On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 10:54, Tim Wilson wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > As I'd feared, DSL is not available at our new house. (Moving in on Friday and > > since it's new construction I couldn't get the line tested until it was > > connected.) Qwest says that there's fiber on the line between the CO and my > > house. > > > > So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently have DSL > > through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run several small > > Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand that the normal > > residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. > > > > What can I do? > > > > -Tim -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at jentges.net Mon Apr 21 14:15:59 2003 From: mj at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211127.48318@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> <200304211127.48318@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3727.199.199.150.6.1050952559.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> And hence AUTHOR spewed: Bob Tanner > On Monday 21 April 2003 10:54 am, Tim Wilson wrote: >> So I'm writing this email hoping for some suggestions. I currently >> have DSL through Qwest with Visi as my ISP. I have a static IP and run >> several small Web sites and a number of mailing lists. I understand >> that the normal residential broadband TOS don't allow servers. > Don't move? :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.org Mon Apr 21 14:37:38 2003 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <20030421180735.GR8625@mnsdev3>; from eibner@mnmailhost.bridge.com on Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 01:07:36PM -0500 References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> <20030421180735.GR8625@mnsdev3> Message-ID: <20030421143738.A26597@lemongecko.org> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 at 01:07PM -0500, Thomas Eibner wrote: > ATT (Now comcast) does NOT allow servers, I'm on ATT, and I notice that they ping my webserver every couple days, and once or twice they've tested my mail server for an open relay (in my mail logs I see an attempt to relay to an address like "relaytest@rr.com"). In each case the source is security.rr.com. Solution? $ iptables -A INPUT -s security.rr.com -j DROP I think if you keep your head down they don't mind. But with several websites and mailing lists... Dan -- | DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 | | Dan Drake | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030421/0c5354b6/attachment.pgp From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Mon Apr 21 14:57:15 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <20030421143738.A26597@lemongecko.org> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> <20030421180735.GR8625@mnsdev3> <20030421143738.A26597@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20030421195715.GY8625@mnsdev3> On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 02:37:38PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 at 01:07PM -0500, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > ATT (Now comcast) does NOT allow servers, > > I'm on ATT, and I notice that they ping my webserver every couple days, and > once or twice they've tested my mail server for an open relay (in my mail > logs I see an attempt to relay to an address like "relaytest@rr.com"). In > each case the source is security.rr.com. > > Solution? > > $ iptables -A INPUT -s security.rr.com -j DROP > > I think if you keep your head down they don't mind. But with several > websites and mailing lists... rr.com == roadrunner == time warner and not ATT/Comcast (1. Could there be any other reason they're looking at your ip? Close ip-range? 1) I have my signup material from ATT from 2 years ago where the manual said ATT RoadRunner (they even refuse they ever had anything to do with that today) -- Thomas Eibner, Software Engineer Reuters Information Technology Inc. St Paul, MN. Phone: 651-846-2137 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Mon Apr 21 15:05:58 2003 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: *** LINUX *** Re: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <20030421195715.GY8625@mnsdev3> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> <20030421180735.GR8625@mnsdev3> <20030421143738.A26597@lemongecko.org> <20030421195715.GY8625@mnsdev3> Message-ID: <3EA44F26.6010907@visi.com> Thomas Eibner wrote: >On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 02:37:38PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote: > > >>On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 at 01:07PM -0500, Thomas Eibner wrote: >> >> >>>ATT (Now comcast) does NOT allow servers, >>> >>> >>I'm on ATT, and I notice that they ping my webserver every couple days, and >>once or twice they've tested my mail server for an open relay (in my mail >>logs I see an attempt to relay to an address like "relaytest@rr.com"). In >>each case the source is security.rr.com. >> >>Solution? >> >>$ iptables -A INPUT -s security.rr.com -j DROP >> >>I think if you keep your head down they don't mind. But with several >>websites and mailing lists... >> >> > >rr.com == roadrunner == time warner and not ATT/Comcast (1. >Could there be any other reason they're looking at your ip? Close >ip-range? > > Not long ago the northern suburbs were MediaOne which was RR. MediaOne was then acquired by AT&T. --rick. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From letterj at phpgeek.com Mon Apr 21 15:11:36 2003 From: letterj at phpgeek.com (J Wynia) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <20030421195715.GY8625@mnsdev3> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> <20030421180735.GR8625@mnsdev3> <20030421143738.A26597@lemongecko.org> <20030421195715.GY8625@mnsdev3> Message-ID: <3467.127.0.0.1.1050955896.squirrel@localhost> rr != ATT? Would that it were so simple. As far as I can tell ATT != ATT, Comcast != Comcast, etc. I've lived in my current house since 2000 and the same coax cable coming into the living room has been MediaOne, RoadRunner, ATT and now Comcast without me changing anything. There have been a lot of strange combinations along the way. I've found that in almost NO cases does one person's understanding of their TOS and performance give any indication of what another's will be. For instance, during the ATT time, I kept hearing that ATT not only didn't allow web servers on their network, but that they blocked port 80. All the while, my webserver was religiously serving up web pages on port 80. With all of the mergers, acquisitions, reorganizations, etc. that have taken place in the cable Internet business in the last few years, there are still divisions that tend to operate differently even though they send out bills on the same letterhead. For instance, even though I may be sending my check to Comcast, the people and equipment (and by extension the technical policies) of the old MediaOne may be in place. Keep in mind that this is all anecdotal, but I'm more convinced of it every day. > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 02:37:38PM -0500, Dan Drake wrote: >> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 at 01:07PM -0500, Thomas Eibner wrote: >> > ATT (Now comcast) does NOT allow servers, >> >> I'm on ATT, and I notice that they ping my webserver every couple >> days, and once or twice they've tested my mail server for an open >> relay (in my mail logs I see an attempt to relay to an address like >> "relaytest@rr.com"). In each case the source is security.rr.com. >> >> Solution? >> >> $ iptables -A INPUT -s security.rr.com -j DROP >> >> I think if you keep your head down they don't mind. But with several >> websites and mailing lists... > > rr.com == roadrunner == time warner and not ATT/Comcast (1. > Could there be any other reason they're looking at your ip? Close > ip-range? > > 1) I have my signup material from ATT from 2 years ago where the > manual said ATT RoadRunner (they even refuse they ever had anything to > do with that today) > > -- > Thomas Eibner, Software Engineer Reuters Information Technology Inc. > St Paul, MN. Phone: 651-846-2137 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- J Wynia Pragmatic solutions to your web problems. www.pragmapool.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Mon Apr 21 15:44:14 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10131.63.137.56.228.1050957854.squirrel@dccmn.com> Was that plentum rated? John Hoffoss said: > I got a 1000' spool from Werner Electric's City Desk for ~$40 plus tax. > They would've split it down to 500' (half price, no extra surcharge or > anything) but I needed it sooner. Took them a few days to move one from > a different warehouse, but they were low on their stock at the time, > too. > > -John > >>>> chewbaka@toughguy.net 04/18/03 02:57PM >>> > Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 2:55:22 PM Central Standard Time > > Hi All.... Where is the best place to get a box of CAT 5 UTP cable > here in the Twin Cities. I used top pay about 40-45 bucks in LA for > 1000 feet. Any ideas would be great. > > Thanks & Rock-On, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Mon Apr 21 15:59:35 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211640.h3LGe0517394@zjod.net> References: <200304211118.56302.wilson@visi.com> <200304211640.h3LGe0517394@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20030421205935.GA19413@refried.org> On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 11:40:00AM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > In a move to cut off customers running their own mail servers (and thereby > slow down the "earn money at home spamming people" crowd), Comcast supplied a > list of all their dynamic TCP addresses to AOL, who promptly stopped accepting > mail from those addresses. The fix for this is to re-gen your sendmail.cf > file after adding "define(`SMART_HOST',`mail.attbi.com')" to your sendmail.mc > file. FYI for Qmail users out there (no flames please): Add this to your /var/qmail/control/smtproutes file and only our AOL destined mail will go through AT&T/Comcast mail servers: aol.com:mail.attbi.com Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Mon Apr 21 16:01:46 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable Message-ID: <6A0561C7.1D5ED5A5.09BD8409@aol.com> OK, I gotta ask what plenum cable is... is it sheilded or something? -Nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Mon Apr 21 16:07:39 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF61886@IPSERVER2> It has to do with the flame spread rate and smoke develped rating of things that can be put in a plenum. > -----Original Message----- > From: AIRPLANEIT@aol.com [SMTP:AIRPLANEIT@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:02 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable > > OK, I gotta ask what plenum cable is... is it sheilded or something? > > -Nick > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at jentges.net Mon Apr 21 16:21:19 2003 From: mj at jentges.net (Mike Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wait a minute...... In-Reply-To: <002601c306ab$747eb0e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3448.192.1.1.15.1050715689.squirrel@dccmn.com> <3943.192.1.1.15.1050729664.squirrel@dccmn.com> <000f01c30637$a82e9960$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200304190119.50865@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <4274.192.1.1.15.1050765241.squirrel@dccmn.com> <002601c306ab$747eb0e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1173.199.199.150.6.1050960079.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> > waynej@dccmn.com writes: >> Sendmail (yea, I know, it's buggy, but it's the only MTA Redhat ships, > > Which is why I will never use or support Red Hat. They continue to ship > software they know to be insecure when there are reasonable > alternatives. Everyone complains about Microsoft shipping insecure code, > yet Red Hat does the same exact thing. The ``they don't write it, they > just distribute it'' argument doesn't change the end result. > > Then again, I suppose if they shipped secure code, no one would need to > pay them for updates and support. Yeah. Since there's no way to use anything with Redhat except what ships with it they sure have a lot of nerve including something like sendmail with it. After you use their bandwidth to download the iso they've created and made available on their server to you at no cost to you, you have every right to present your arguments directly to the president of the company. Especially considering you've obviously done more testing, research, proving, etc. than they have and you know for a fact that sendmail simply can't stand a chance against something cute like qmail or whatever. At least "thats what xxxxx says." If you'd take a minute to think for yourself, outside the 'piss and moan box' , just past the .deb/.rpm cage, you might just realize that the beauty of Linux/open source is the capability to do/change anything your heart desires no matter how stupid it might be. If not, contact me regarding some prime real estate I'm letting go for a song up in Lake Wobegon. Oil rights included. -mj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Mon Apr 21 16:28:53 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <6A0561C7.1D5ED5A5.09BD8409@aol.com> References: <6A0561C7.1D5ED5A5.09BD8409@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EA46295.9030100@netzero.net> Plenum cables are covered with fire retardant of some sort or other. That's all there's to it, I frankly, don't see why in the world they're so desired. If it's fear of intoxication, then having plenum cables gives only a false sense of security cos in a burning building there are usually enough of other toxic materials to sniff yourself dead. Oh, and also the thing most people die of in a completely toxin free building fire - ye ol' smoke. Someone, please, educate me as well, the rest of the world can't be so ignorant, i'm proly missing something. :-) AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > OK, I gotta ask what plenum cable is... is it sheilded or something? > > -Nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 21 16:33:35 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <3EA46295.9030100@netzero.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Michael Ableyev wrote: > Plenum cables are covered with fire retardant of some sort or other. > That's all there's to it, I frankly, don't see why in the world > they're so desired. If it's fear of intoxication, then having plenum > cables gives only a false sense of security cos in a burning building > there are usually enough of other toxic materials to sniff yourself > dead. Fire codes. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From charon at netzero.net Mon Apr 21 16:36:53 2003 From: charon at netzero.net (Michael Ableyev) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EA46475.9010204@netzero.net> Nate Carlson wrote: > > Fire codes. > Doh! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Mon Apr 21 16:41:06 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6188A@IPSERVER2> Granted in the big picture it does seem to be rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Ableyev [SMTP:charon@netzero.net] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:29 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable > > Plenum cables are covered with fire retardant of some sort or other. > That's all there's to it, I > frankly, don't see why in the world they're so desired. > If it's fear of intoxication, then having plenum cables gives only a false > sense of security cos in > a burning building there are usually enough of other toxic materials to > sniff yourself dead. Oh, and > also the thing most people die of in a completely toxin free building fire > - ye ol' smoke. > Someone, please, educate me as well, the rest of the world can't be so > ignorant, i'm proly missing > something. :-) > > AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > > OK, I gotta ask what plenum cable is... is it sheilded or something? > > > > -Nick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Mon Apr 21 16:51:31 2003 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable Message-ID: Nah.. it's just the false sense of security. I like that. Makes me feel all warm and cozy inside knowing I paid 3 times as much for fire retradant cabling. MMMMmmmmm.... Fire Retardant.... I don't know if there are any other places that it's required, but if you have an air return system or a false ceiling Plenum is a requirement. I think mostly because, if you had a fire in that area and DON'T have Plenum, your suddenly releasing toxic fumes straight into your air system. YAY! now the whole building is full of toxic gas AND smoke. WHOOPY! sim > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:34 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Michael Ableyev wrote: > > Plenum cables are covered with fire retardant of some sort or other. > > That's all there's to it, I frankly, don't see why in the world > > they're so desired. If it's fear of intoxication, then having plenum > > cables gives only a false sense of security cos in a > burning building > > there are usually enough of other toxic materials to sniff yourself > > dead. > > Fire codes. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil at rephil.org Mon Apr 21 16:52:20 2003 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <20030421220101.15583.11166.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030421220101.15583.11166.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030421215220.DA13C73D24@maynard.rephil.org> > From: Michael Ableyev > Plenum cables are covered with fire retardant of some sort or other. That's all there's to it, I > frankly, don't see why in the world they're so desired. > If it's fear of intoxication, then having plenum cables gives only a false sense of security cos in > a burning building there are usually enough of other toxic materials to sniff yourself dead. Oh, and > also the thing most people die of in a completely toxin free building fire - ye ol' smoke. > Someone, please, educate me as well, the rest of the world can't be so ignorant, i'm proly missing > something. :-) It's due to fire code and NEC (National Electric Code.) Even low voltage cables have the potential (no pun intended) of starting fires. The thing is that you never know what the failure mode of the box it's hooked up to will be -- if a computer suffers AC death syndrom and puts 120VAC on the ethernet cable, it could be a bad thing. These sorts of failures do not happen in real life, at least very often -- but they're not impossible. It's primarily a liability thing at this point -- if the State of allowed people to build buildings that burned down and it came out that there was a preventative measure that could have been taken, they'd be out on a limb for all sorts of litigation. There are some environments where this is really important, though. Can you run non-plenum cable around your house and live to tell about it? I can't officially tell you to do that. P -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 21 17:30:53 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:50 2005 Subject: Thread hijack: iptables with hostnames? was Re: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <20030421143738.A26597@lemongecko.org> References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> <20030421180735.GR8625@mnsdev3> <20030421143738.A26597@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <200304211730.53827@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 21 April 2003 02:37 pm, Dan Drake wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 at 01:07PM -0500, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > ATT (Now comcast) does NOT allow servers, > > I'm on ATT, and I notice that they ping my webserver every couple days, and > once or twice they've tested my mail server for an open relay (in my mail > logs I see an attempt to relay to an address like "relaytest@rr.com"). In > each case the source is security.rr.com. > > Solution? > > $ iptables -A INPUT -s security.rr.com -j DROP I hope you do this after you boot and not in your /etc/sysconfig. Since iptables starts before dns, this above rule would fail. I see the "$", so I think you mean you do that at a shell. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Apr 21 17:42:29 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:50 2005 Subject: Thread hijack: iptables with hostnames? was Re: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211730.53827@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Monday 21 April 2003 02:37 pm, Dan Drake wrote: > > Solution? > > > > $ iptables -A INPUT -s security.rr.com -j DROP > > I hope you do this after you boot and not in your /etc/sysconfig. Since > iptables starts before dns, this above rule would fail. > > I see the "$", so I think you mean you do that at a shell. Well, depending on the distro, you might be able to do that, and then run `/sbin/service iptables save`, and it'll save the IP. Which is fine, so long as it doesn't change. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.org Mon Apr 21 18:22:27 2003 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:50 2005 Subject: Thread hijack: iptables with hostnames? was Re: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211730.53827@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 05:30:53PM -0500 References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> <20030421180735.GR8625@mnsdev3> <20030421143738.A26597@lemongecko.org> <200304211730.53827@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030421182227.B27361@lemongecko.org> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 at 05:30PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > $ iptables -A INPUT -s security.rr.com -j DROP > > I hope you do this after you boot and not in your /etc/sysconfig. Correct. It's only one rule and it's not critical that it get started up right away, so I just put it in after booting. Also, I do it as root (of course), so the "$" above should be a "#". Also, I feel like a total tool for thinking AT&T == Time Warner. Although sometimes it is hard to tell the difference, what with buyouts and mergers and whatnot... Dan -- | DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 | | Dan Drake | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I moved the comcast cable internet connection > I had at my appartment to the new house and I needed to reprovision the > modem/nic combo with a windowscd that came, the guy close to refused helping > me with it since my pc didn't have a cdrom-drive and was all bitchy about > having to do it manually and going on on his bitch-pitch about how I really > shouldn't have been able to have them install cable modem at my new location > since I didn't have a cdrom drive! Heh. As evil as I wish Time Warner was, they continue to surprise me. When I called and asked for cable modem service earlier this month, they asked what operating system I used. I said Linux, and the guy on the line asked if I wanted to do a self-install. They just couriered the parts to me (cable modem, ethernet cable, some coax cables and a splitter) and I had it up and running in 10 minutes. Of course, as far as I can tell, you can't see their Terms of Service agreements until you have service installed, but maybe it's just buried on the website somewhere. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't count your Electoral / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Votes before they're cast. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The IP address is static, assuming you never the change MAC address of the ethernet interface connected to the modem. I run a mail server and web server, but only for testing / development purposes. They haven't complained yet. If you are worried about it, pay the extra for their commercial service. We have one at work with a 1mbit upstream. That's two-thirds the speed of a T1. Some people mentioned blocking Road Runner from port scanning you. I do that. However, dropping the packets is bad, because it makes it obvious that you are filtering them. A better way to do it is to reject them normally so that it looks like all of your ports are closed: iptables -A INPUT -s 24.30.199.0/24 -p tcp \ -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset iptables -A INPUT -s 24.30.217.0/24 -p tcp \ -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset iptables -A INPUT -s 24.30.218.0/24 -p tcp \ -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Mon Apr 21 20:30:17 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /home Message-ID: <3EA49B29.4080205@gac.edu> what's the best way to move my /home directory to another partition as redhat9 would, for instance, if I had chosen to do that during install. I tried just moving to the new place, and doing cp -R /home/justin . but that wasn't able to copy a number of the items for various reasons. Some were permissions things. I have some symlinks set up in my home directory that I'd like to mantain. I don't want them to be replaced by their location's contents. I just want the links to be maintained (to point to the same place). any help? thanks justin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Apr 21 20:55:22 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /home In-Reply-To: <3EA49B29.4080205@gac.edu> References: <3EA49B29.4080205@gac.edu> Message-ID: <20030422015522.GD1069@iucha.net> On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 08:30:17PM -0500, Justin Haaheim wrote: > what's the best way to move my /home directory to another partition as > redhat9 would, for instance, if I had chosen to do that during install. > I tried just moving to the new place, and doing > cp -R /home/justin . > but that wasn't able to copy a number of the items for various reasons. > Some were permissions things. I have some symlinks set up in my home > directory that I'd like to mantain. I don't want them to be replaced by > their location's contents. I just want the links to be maintained (to > point to the same place). any help? cp -ax /oldhome/* /newhome florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(for example if your new partition is on hdb3 (third partition on primary slave)) # mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/hdb3 # cp -dprvx /home/justin /mnt/hdb3/justin d - this will preserve your links p - preserve ownership, timestamps, etc. r - recursive v - verbose - see what is happening x - stick to one source file system (mount). not necessary but a good idea when working with whole file systems. then set up your new partition to mount at /home good luck - tom On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 20:30, Justin Haaheim wrote: > what's the best way to move my /home directory to another partition as > redhat9 would, for instance, if I had chosen to do that during install. > I tried just moving to the new place, and doing > cp -R /home/justin . > but that wasn't able to copy a number of the items for various reasons. > Some were permissions things. I have some symlinks set up in my home > directory that I'd like to mantain. I don't want them to be replaced by > their location's contents. I just want the links to be maintained (to > point to the same place). any help? > > thanks > justin > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Apr 21 20:27:19 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /home In-Reply-To: <20030422015522.GD1069@iucha.net> References: <3EA49B29.4080205@gac.edu> <20030422015522.GD1069@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1050974839.1623.35.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 20:55, Florin Iucha wrote: > cp -ax /oldhome/* /newhome On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 20:18, Tom Penney wrote: > # cp -dprvx /home/justin /mnt/hdb3/justin -a equals -dpr :-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Mon Apr 21 21:53:38 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6188C@IPSERVER2> I have them as well and like it. Can I put a my own router in front of my pc. "Sure, just use DHCP" -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hicks To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 4/21/03 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 13:47, Thomas Eibner wrote: > Be happy if they will even let you register if you don't have a flavor of > windows with a cdrom drive. I moved the comcast cable internet connection > I had at my appartment to the new house and I needed to reprovision the > modem/nic combo with a windowscd that came, the guy close to refused helping > me with it since my pc didn't have a cdrom-drive and was all bitchy about > having to do it manually and going on on his bitch-pitch about how I really > shouldn't have been able to have them install cable modem at my new location > since I didn't have a cdrom drive! Heh. As evil as I wish Time Warner was, they continue to surprise me. When I called and asked for cable modem service earlier this month, they asked what operating system I used. I said Linux, and the guy on the line asked if I wanted to do a self-install. They just couriered the parts to me (cable modem, ethernet cable, some coax cables and a splitter) and I had it up and running in 10 minutes. Of course, as far as I can tell, you can't see their Terms of Service agreements until you have service installed, but maybe it's just buried on the website somewhere. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't count your Electoral / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Votes before they're cast. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Mon Apr 21 22:36:57 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /home In-Reply-To: <1050974839.1623.35.camel@lotsa> References: <3EA49B29.4080205@gac.edu> <20030422015522.GD1069@iucha.net> <1050974839.1623.35.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <3EA4B8D9.7080800@gac.edu> when I do that, i still get messages like: cp: cannot create symbolic link `.emacs': Operation not permitted (.emacs is a symbolic link in /home/justin/ that points to a mounted network drive (/home/justin/solen-home) which is symlinked from /mnt/solen-home) Tom Penney wrote: > On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 20:55, Florin Iucha wrote: > >>cp -ax /oldhome/* /newhome > > > > On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 20:18, Tom Penney wrote: > >># cp -dprvx /home/justin /mnt/hdb3/justin > > > > -a equals -dpr > > :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Mon Apr 21 12:54:29 2003 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A (MN14)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions Message-ID: At the north end of last Friday's beer meeting, there was a discussion about server naming conventions. I opined the names of 7 dwarfs works only until you get an 8th server. I've heard of using the elements from the periodic table (bonus: use each element's atomic number for the ip address). Robert likes to use names of nuclear disaster sites (something about a Sun box named Chernobyl that eventually blew up). But it seems to me that "ssh threemileisland" is a lot to type every time you need to login remotely. So, what are the desirable qualities for names? - large address space - memorable - easy to type (short) - easily spelled (unambiguous) To that end, I proposed using common names of animals. To keep the names short, I'd like to use no more than 3 characters. This lead to a brain storming session to come up with at least one 3 letter name for every letter of the alphabet. We didn't find names for all 26 letters, but that's not one of the above requirements. Ursula seemed to have a knack and came up with most of the following. ant, ape bat, bee, bug, boa cub, cow, cat, cod doe, dog emu, egg, eel, elk, ewe fox, fly gar, gnu hog, hen i-- jay koi, kid l-- man nit owl pig, pug q-- ram, rat, roe, ray sow tux (not a "real" animal?) u-- v-- w-- x-- yak z-- It was further proposed the router could be named "vet" and the dns might be called "zoo." == Craig A. Smith mailto:craig.a.smith@honeywell.com Office 763-954-2895 Cell 612.518.2200 FAX 763-954-2313 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at argle.org Mon Apr 21 15:50:04 2003 From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF1D@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: > I've found that it's best to just hide your computers when they come out and > tell them that you don't have one yet. Then they will just register you > using their laptop. > I am currently on RR. I asked for a "self install". When I told the sales rep they could put down "XP" if they needed a Windows version, he asked me what sort of Linux I was running;) They had the installer drop the packet by and go on his way. Not even so much as an odd look. > > sheesh, you wonder if they actually want customers?? > > This was said in the context of Comcast/AT&T, and I would say that the answer for them and Qwest is: no, they want consumers who will buy whatever they are told to. -- Daniel Taylor dante@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Apr 21 23:36:14 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /home In-Reply-To: <3EA4B8D9.7080800@gac.edu> References: <3EA49B29.4080205@gac.edu> <20030422015522.GD1069@iucha.net> <1050974839.1623.35.camel@lotsa> <3EA4B8D9.7080800@gac.edu> Message-ID: <20030422043614.GE1069@iucha.net> Tested under bash: cd /oldhome tar cfl - * | (cd /newhome; tar xf -) On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 10:36:57PM -0500, Justin Haaheim wrote: > when I do that, i still get messages like: > > cp: cannot create symbolic link `.emacs': Operation not permitted > > (.emacs is a symbolic link in /home/justin/ that points to a mounted > network drive (/home/justin/solen-home) which is symlinked from > /mnt/solen-home) > > > > Tom Penney wrote: > >On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 20:55, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > >>cp -ax /oldhome/* /newhome > > > > > > > >On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 20:18, Tom Penney wrote: > > > >># cp -dprvx /home/justin /mnt/hdb3/justin > > > > > > > >-a equals -dpr I know, it is just easier to remember. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe some day it will actually be of use to people who stay up all night trying to figure out what to name their servers, Then again, maybe it's just more internet crap. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Mon Apr 21 23:09:44 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /home In-Reply-To: <20030422015522.GD1069@iucha.net> References: <3EA49B29.4080205@gac.edu> <20030422015522.GD1069@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1050984584.1620.361.camel@lotsa> On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 20:55, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 08:30:17PM -0500, Justin Haaheim wrote: > > what's the best way to move my /home directory to another partition as > > redhat9 would, for instance, if I had chosen to do that during install. > > I tried just moving to the new place, and doing > > cp -R /home/justin . > > but that wasn't able to copy a number of the items for various reasons. > > Some were permissions things. I have some symlinks set up in my home > > directory that I'd like to mantain. I don't want them to be replaced by > > their location's contents. I just want the links to be maintained (to > > point to the same place). any help? > > cp -ax /oldhome/* /newhome > > florin > > -- > > "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Apr 22 00:11:33 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions References: Message-ID: <002801c3088d$a476dcd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Smith, Craig A (MN14) writes: > At the north end of last Friday's beer meeting, there was a > discussion about server naming conventions. I opined the names of 7 > dwarfs works only until you get an 8th server. > [...] I'm curious as to why you'd need to arbitrarily make up a bunch of server names. I've always named servers after their function. That practice has been used everywhere I've worked. When you have names like www, ns, backup, db, mail, etc., followed by numbers, it is obvious what each box does. It keeps you from saying ``fox is down again'', with people left asking ``is that the mail server or the database server?''. Now, if you're starting a project and need a codename for it, you might pick a short name like ``ant'', and thus name the server that, but that's different than everyday production servers. People would still know what the server was if they knew about the project. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Tue Apr 22 00:30:03 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <20030421215220.DA13C73D24@maynard.rephil.org> References: <20030421220101.15583.11166.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <20030421215220.DA13C73D24@maynard.rephil.org> Message-ID: <22137099618.20030422003003@toughguy.net> Monday, April 21, 2003 @ 11:20:21 PM Central Standard Time PM> It's due to fire code and NEC (National Electric Code.) Even low voltage PM> cables have the potential (no pun intended) of starting fires. The thing is PM> that you never know what the failure mode of the box it's hooked up to will PM> be -- if a computer suffers AC death syndrom and puts 120VAC on the ethernet PM> cable, it could be a bad thing. Also, not just hardware failure is the concern. Non-Plenum should be run through conduit. Plenum is made for use without conduit (like Romex for electrical) due to fire retardant/non-toxic-burn coating, and it's a little more bad ass in nature, as mentioned earlier. If you had non-plenum cables running through out an office building/multiple floors not in conduit (just hanging above drop ceilings, through vent. ducts, between walls, etc..) and a fire breaks, your entire network cabling can act like a big fuse. Say a coffee maker starts on fire (cause unknown), and a pc is next to it. The coffee maker burns (unnoticed)and starts the pc on fire. Someone sees the burning coffee maker/pc & rushes to grab a fire extinguisher. The pc burns and your cost-cutting non-plenum haphazardly wired cat 5 cable starts to burn. The employee returns with a fire extinguisher, and puts out the fire, or so he(or she) thinks. While the employee was franticly trying to put out the small blaze, the flame started moving down along the non-plenum cable, and secretly burned it's way into the wall, where the cable drops down two floors into an old wiring closet. This would have been a small stupid fire, and contained had the proper cable been installed. As it burns its way down the cable, it is having a great time igniting anything flammable in its path (and kicking out some Saddam Approved toxic gas too). You can imagine how the story goes from there. Death & destruction to all in it path, and then it reaches the wiring closet. When burning starts in the closet, it ignites all the other el-cheapo cables in their, and the process of burning up or down the cable begins again. Oh no!!!(terror strikes) You ran a non-plenum cable from the main closet threw a sewer across the street to your other buildings closet. and boom....another towering inferno. Here is a more proper def: Commercial constructions often use suspended ceilings as return passages for environmental air. These "plenum" spaces have become convenient wiring locations for a variety of applications. However, use of these areas may pose a serious hazard in the event of a fire. Once the fire reaches the plenum space, few barriers exist to contain the smoke and flames. The National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) has recognized the potential for a hazard created by wire and cable in an environmental air space. Severe restrictions on cabling were included in the 1975 edition of the NEC. All following NEC editions set forth safety requirements for flammable insulations. The National Electric Code (NEC) states that all cabling not in conduit, installed in plenum spaces, shall be listed as having adequate fire-resistant and low smoke-producing characteristics. Rock-On, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Apr 22 06:46:49 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house References: Message-ID: <3EA52BA9.5040607@structural-wood.com> My RoadRunner installer was pretty glum the whole time he was running cable, which took a fair amount of time. When it came time to get do the computer install I was prepared for a lot of crap, but when I told him I was running Linux he cheered up, and said "That's great - this will be easy then" (which, of course, it was). After that I couldn't get the guy to shut up and go away so I could play with my new net connection... Daniel Taylor wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: > > >>I've found that it's best to just hide your computers when they come out and >>tell them that you don't have one yet. Then they will just register you >>using their laptop. >> > > I am currently on RR. I asked for a "self install". > When I told the sales rep they could put down "XP" if they needed a > Windows version, he asked me what sort of Linux I was running;) > They had the installer drop the packet by and go on his way. Not > even so much as an odd look. > > >>>sheesh, you wonder if they actually want customers?? >>> >> > This was said in the context of Comcast/AT&T, and I would say that > the answer for them and Qwest is: no, they want consumers who will > buy whatever they are told to. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.org Tue Apr 22 07:28:01 2003 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: ; from Craig.A.Smith@honeywell.com on Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 12:54:29PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030422072801.A9344@lemongecko.org> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 at 12:54PM -0500, Smith, Craig A (MN14) wrote: > I've heard of using the elements from the periodic table (bonus: use each > element's atomic number for the ip address). Ack, no! The math department at the U used to (still has?) have computers named after elements. Ever try to ssh to praseodymium? Now they have a lab with computers named after (I think) ancient Persian kings and queens; "purandokht" comes to mind. Argh! :) Fortunately many machines there are named after the room they're in, like vinh505... Dan -- | DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 | | Dan Drake | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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NT domain controllers: location is used (ie: mndc01) Other conventions used in house are: Popeye characters Simpsons character Looney Toons characters Types of Peppers (ie: chili, jabanero, etc) British fictional characters (ie: Holmes, Frodo, Morgana, Merlin, etc) Various other names Then, within DNS we setup three letter aliases for the servers by using typically the first three letters of the server name. However, need to be careful as there are some 3 letter aliases that can be mistaken for commands or some systems could have same aliases. Like if you have www1 and www2, but that's not too long to type. Seems to work fairly well. As to which system is which, once you get used to the names there's not mistaking what systems they are. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Apr 22 07:45:54 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6188E@IPSERVER2> > -----Original Message----- > From: David Phillips [SMTP:david@acz.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:12 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions > > Smith, Craig A (MN14) writes: > > At the north end of last Friday's beer meeting, there was a > > discussion about server naming conventions. I opined the names of 7 > > dwarfs works only until you get an 8th server. > > [...] > > I'm curious as to why you'd need to arbitrarily make up a bunch of server > names. I've always named servers after their function. That practice has > been used everywhere I've worked. When you have names like www, ns, > backup, > db, mail, etc., followed by numbers, it is obvious what each box does. > > It keeps you from saying ``fox is down again'', with people left asking > ``is > that the mail server or the database server?''. Now, if you're starting a > project and need a codename for it, you might pick a short name like > ``ant'', and thus name the server that, but that's different than everyday > production servers. People would still know what the server was if they > knew about the project. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > I tend to agree, I don't like "cute" server names. My co-worker named a test mail server "Cliff" -- dumb. The only problem I have with using names that totally describe function is that if a cracker gets to a server named "payroll" they know they are better off than if they get to one named "radius". I generally go server1, server2,... boring but functional. I think it is a *nix thing though to like weird naming. I mean their are so many recursive acronyms etc. I support *nix and use it because it is about the most reliable thing we have, not because I think it is really that great of design. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Apr 22 07:54:46 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: <002801c3088d$a476dcd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <002801c3088d$a476dcd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030422125446.GA24866@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 12:11:33AM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Smith, Craig A (MN14) writes: > > At the north end of last Friday's beer meeting, there was a > > discussion about server naming conventions. I opined the names of 7 > > dwarfs works only until you get an 8th server. > > [...] > > I'm curious as to why you'd need to arbitrarily make up a bunch of server > names. I've always named servers after their function. That practice has > been used everywhere I've worked. When you have names like www, ns, backup, > db, mail, etc., followed by numbers, it is obvious what each box does. > [snip] That would be fine if all of your servers did exactly one thing. You never had a server running both HTTPD and FTPD? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kiler0n at ags-us.com Tue Apr 22 08:12:54 2003 From: kiler0n at ags-us.com (Tony Kelleran) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions Message-ID: As much as I want to name my servers something unique and cool, I tend to stick with what David is saying. Typically, I prefer using the airport code of the city the server is in + function specifier (i.e., A = Application, W = Web, M = Mail, etc) + number. I know, the majority of you are probably cringing with such a "corporate" naming convention. But ultimately, naming conventions should be a documented best practices within your organization. Now naming my personal servers at home is another story. Since I only have a handful, this allows me artistic space to be creative with names. Just my .02 Smith, Craig A (MN14) writes: > At the north end of last Friday's beer meeting, there was a > discussion about server naming conventions. I opined the names of 7 > dwarfs works only until you get an 8th server. > [...] I'm curious as to why you'd need to arbitrarily make up a bunch of server names. I've always named servers after their function. That practice has been used everywhere I've worked. When you have names like www, ns, backup, db, mail, etc., followed by numbers, it is obvious what each box does. It keeps you from saying ``fox is down again'', with people left asking ``is that the mail server or the database server?''. Now, if you're starting a project and need a codename for it, you might pick a short name like ``ant'', and thus name the server that, but that's different than everyday production servers. People would still know what the server was if they knew about the project. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030422/5f7dcd63/attachment.html From david.blevins at visi.com Tue Apr 22 08:32:24 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] noise cancellation In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF1B@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF1B@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030422133224.GB1730@isis.visi.com> On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 01:24:39PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone know of any noise cancellation software for linux? Something > that can listen on a mic, and produce the opposite output on the speakers to > cancel out ambient noise? Interesting thought. I wonder if such a thing is even possible with the accuracy of PC mics and speakers. -David _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dcoats at heritagemail.org Tue Apr 22 08:56:22 2003 From: dcoats at heritagemail.org (Pastor Doug Coats) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] noise cancellation In-Reply-To: <20030422133224.GB1730@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: I asked a an engineer a similar question when I was working on setting up a sound system for a gym. Our concern was canceling out the echoes. His response was that theoretically you can cancel out sound with the reverse wave length of the same sound. In practice you would need one of three things to happen. 1. You would need to mic the sound at it's source and place the speakers at the same location. 2. You would need mic the location of the ears and place the speakers at the same location. or 3. You would have to have a limitless number of mics to pick up all of the sound waves bouncing off of all of the surfaces for the speakers to conceal out the sounds. The only one that is somewhat practical is number one. Say if you had an extremely load air conditioner or something and wanted to cancel out it's noise. Number two would require some sort of headphone contraption connected to a battery source and a portable/wearable PC. As far a Linux being able to accomplish the first idea I don't know. Doug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Apr 22 09:05:48 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: unix1 IN A 207.195.195.1 unix2 IN A 207.195.195.2 ... unix30 IN A 207.195.195.30 I only use airport codes in my router names, and only now because we have a 2nd location. So I have core-1.msp, core-2.msp, etc. I don't expect to have hosts running at the other POP for much longer. Yes, unixX is bland...but dopey and doc don't give any more information about a machine's function either. There are benefits though: I never have to think about what I'm going to call a box I never run out of naming space Host->IP is easy to figure out No customers are offended (you'd be surprised what kind of comments "kilroy" generated at another job) I stay away from naming a box www1 or ns1, since the services may get moved between physical machines. When a box gets christened with it's hostname, that hostname goes into DNS, a sticker on the front, a sticker on the patch panel, and an entry in our wiring database (all of the wires are numbered). I was a little more creative with my personal machines though. I'm using the moons of Saturn, and I don't expect to ever have more than 18 working machines (lest my wife kill me) On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Smith, Craig A (MN14) wrote: > > At the north end of last Friday's beer meeting, there was a discussion about > server naming conventions. I opined the names of 7 dwarfs works only until > you get an 8th server. I've heard of using the elements from the periodic > table (bonus: use each element's atomic number for the ip address). Robert > likes to use names of nuclear disaster sites (something about a Sun box > named Chernobyl that eventually blew up). But it seems to me that "ssh > threemileisland" > is a lot to type every time you need to login remotely. So, what are the > desirable qualities for names? > > - large address space > - memorable > - easy to type (short) > - easily spelled (unambiguous) > > To that end, I proposed using common names of animals. To keep the names > short, I'd like to use no more than 3 characters. This lead to a brain > storming session to come up with at least one 3 letter name for every letter > of the alphabet. We didn't find names for all 26 letters, but that's not > one of the above requirements. Ursula seemed to have a knack and came up > with most of the following. > > ant, ape > bat, bee, bug, boa > cub, cow, cat, cod > doe, dog > emu, egg, eel, elk, ewe > fox, fly > gar, gnu > hog, hen > i-- > jay > koi, kid > l-- > man > nit > owl > pig, pug > q-- > ram, rat, roe, ray > sow > tux (not a "real" animal?) > u-- > v-- > w-- > x-- > yak > z-- > > > It was further proposed the router could be named "vet" and the dns might be > called "zoo." > > > == Craig A. Smith mailto:craig.a.smith@honeywell.com > Office 763-954-2895 Cell 612.518.2200 FAX 763-954-2313 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 22 09:08:40 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <00d901c3086c$b0c497f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, David Phillips wrote: > The IP address is static, assuming you never the change MAC address of > the ethernet interface connected to the modem. I believe their lease is actually 60 days; I know it's never changed on me while the box is running, but there have been times where I've rebooted after about a year of uptime for a new kernel, and received a new IP address from them (same MAC address on the NIC, of course). If I reboot right after that, I keep the new IP. > I run a mail server and web server, but only for testing / development > purposes. They haven't complained yet. If you are worried about it, > pay the extra for their commercial service. We have one at work with > a 1mbit upstream. That's two-thirds the speed of a T1. One of my clients had RR's 768/768k business connection, and actually got about 2mbit down and 1mbit up. Pretty sweet for $129/mo, including a /28. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 22 09:10:38 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Nate Carlson wrote: > I believe their lease is actually 60 days Oh, I forgot to mention that I got the 60 day number from the installer who came out to set it up.. I also got a Linux-friendly installer from RR. Never actually bothered checking the real expire time on it; I just use dynamic DNS anyways. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Tue Apr 22 09:21:44 2003 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3256.134.129.160.174.1051021304.squirrel@therub.org> I recently bought namingschemes.com, and I am plannign on putting server naming schemes on there after I graduate (since the job hunt isn't). Anyway, I have a small list of common naming schemes at my personal website (if you go to http://namingschemes.com, it will redirect), that is worth checking out. Also, read the RFC for network naming schemes http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1178.html. Dan > > At the north end of last Friday's beer meeting, there was a discussion > about > server naming conventions. I opined the names of 7 dwarfs works only > until > you get an 8th server. I've heard of using the elements from the periodic > table (bonus: use each element's atomic number for the ip address). > Robert > likes to use names of nuclear disaster sites (something about a Sun box > named Chernobyl that eventually blew up). But it seems to me that "ssh > threemileisland" > is a lot to type every time you need to login remotely. So, what are the > desirable qualities for names? > > - large address space > - memorable > - easy to type (short) > - easily spelled (unambiguous) > > To that end, I proposed using common names of animals. To keep the names > short, I'd like to use no more than 3 characters. This lead to a brain > storming session to come up with at least one 3 letter name for every > letter > of the alphabet. We didn't find names for all 26 letters, but that's not > one of the above requirements. Ursula seemed to have a knack and came up > with most of the following. > > ant, ape > bat, bee, bug, boa > cub, cow, cat, cod > doe, dog > emu, egg, eel, elk, ewe > fox, fly > gar, gnu > hog, hen > i-- > jay > koi, kid > l-- > man > nit > owl > pig, pug > q-- > ram, rat, roe, ray > sow > tux (not a "real" animal?) > u-- > v-- > w-- > x-- > yak > z-- > > > It was further proposed the router could be named "vet" and the dns might > be > called "zoo." > > > == Craig A. Smith mailto:craig.a.smith@honeywell.com > Office 763-954-2895 Cell 612.518.2200 FAX 763-954-2313 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Apr 22 09:25:52 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: <3256.134.129.160.174.1051021304.squirrel@therub.org> Message-ID: bash$ finger karen@speculum.coldsteel.org > Anyway, I have a small list of common naming schemes at my personal > website (if you go to http://namingschemes.com, it will redirect), that is > Dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From carlos at eberhardt.net Tue Apr 22 09:29:22 2003 From: carlos at eberhardt.net (carlos@eberhardt.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /home In-Reply-To: <3EA49B29.4080205@gac.edu> References: <3EA49B29.4080205@gac.edu> Message-ID: <38023.65.168.80.77.1051021762.squirrel@f2o.org> You've probably already finished, but in case not, there's a fairly decent how-to doc here: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-partplan.html carlos > what's the best way to move my /home directory to another partition as > > thanks > justin > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil at rephil.org Tue Apr 22 09:34:04 2003 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: <20030422134301.15740.73035.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030422134301.15740.73035.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030422143405.09A0973D24@maynard.rephil.org> > From: Shawn > > Generally, we follow something along the lines of: > > Development servers: Roman/Greek Gods/Heroes/Monsters > Production: Function names (ie: www, smtp, etc...) > NT domain controllers: location is used (ie: mndc01) > > Other conventions used in house are: > > Popeye characters > Simpsons character > Looney Toons characters > Types of Peppers (ie: chili, jabanero, etc) > British fictional characters (ie: Holmes, Frodo, Morgana, Merlin, etc) > Various other names OK -- admittedly, this is the single most useless non-trolling thread I've seen for a while, but it's fun, so here's my 2 cents: How about a little meta naming? So, the list of server names would be categories of server names: characters.rephil.org animals.rephil.org foods.rephil.org presidents.rephil.org Or in the true spirit of unix, i.e., cryptic and unnecessarily abrev'd, just letters of the alphabet. (Doh!) a.rephil.org b.rephil.org Cheers, P (Damn this virtual water cooler -- I have work to do, so of course it sucked me in!) :-) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Tue Apr 22 09:53:46 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030422145346.GB8625@mnsdev3> On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 09:05:48AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > I was a little more creative with my personal machines though. I'm using > the moons of Saturn, and I don't expect to ever have more than 18 working > machines (lest my wife kill me) No way! That is mine!!!! :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Tue Apr 22 09:58:55 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable References: <6A0561C7.1D5ED5A5.09BD8409@aol.com> Message-ID: <3EA558AF.6040607@cleosci.com> Plenum cable uses a teflon jacket rather than the standard PVC (polyvinyl chloride) found in regular cable. The theory is, if a fire starts (which is more likely in the plenum area [above ceiling tiles] ), plenum cable doesn't release the toxic chlorine gas the way PVC does when it burns. Garrett AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: >OK, I gotta ask what plenum cable is... is it sheilded or something? > >-Nick > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Apr 22 10:09:02 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <3EA558AF.6040607@cleosci.com> References: <6A0561C7.1D5ED5A5.09BD8409@aol.com> <3EA558AF.6040607@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <3EA55B0E.8090709@andersonfam.org> gkrueger wrote: > Plenum cable uses a teflon jacket rather than the standard PVC > (polyvinyl chloride) found in regular cable. I would assume that the teflon helps as well when pulling large bunches of cable through long conduit runs... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Apr 22 10:58:12 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: <20030422074117.72a78f4a.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030422074117.72a78f4a.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: The naming convention i use is city names for servers and star names for workstations so my servers would be: alkuds, khalil, beitjala, asqalan, nurshams, albureij ( all in palestine, in case you were wondering :) and workstations would be: sadalbari, vega, sirius, zubenelgenubi, zubeneshemali and so forth Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Apr 22 11:16:48 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions References: <20030422074117.72a78f4a.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3EA56AF0.1000604@structural-wood.com> African mammals for X-Terminals (78 X-Terminals, I'm almost out of names), Science fiction authors for servers, 2001 Hurricanes for dedicated devices, Reptiles for print servers. All aliased to a deducible naming scheme based on type and alphabet tier (how many times I've had to wrap around the alphabet). For example ax or ax1 (anteater), ax2 (aardvark), ax3 (ape), bx1 (baboon), as (asimov), bs (brinn). "Komodo is driven by Panshin. To manage the port you have to point your browser at Emily - why don't you log in on Elephant and reconfigure." More than you wanted to know - I must be bored today... Munir Nassar wrote: > The naming convention i use is city names for servers and star names for > workstations > > so my servers would be: > alkuds, khalil, beitjala, asqalan, nurshams, albureij ( all in > palestine, in case you were wondering :) > > and workstations would be: > sadalbari, vega, sirius, zubenelgenubi, zubeneshemali and so forth > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Apr 22 11:28:20 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gentoo eth0 problem Message-ID: <3EA56DA4.50000@gac.edu> I've been working on an install of gentoo for a while, and I've finally got the kernel compiled. When I go to boot, though, I always run into a problem with eth0. It says that it can't bring up eth0. I'm kind of stuck -- I don't really know where to start trying to fix this. It would seem to me that maybe I didn't compile support for my ethernet card, but I don't know what to do there. I've got a linksys lne100tx which doesn't show up in the kernel configuration anywhere. When I ran gentoo install off the cd, it found my card fine and got it working. Could it be something other than the card driver? In /etc/conf.d/net, I set it up to do dhcp. Do I need to do more than that in net.eth0? Anybody have any suggestions? Perhaps this is obvious. Ack. justin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 22 11:41:05 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions (Microsoft jab) In-Reply-To: <20030422074117.72a78f4a.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030422074117.72a78f4a.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200304221141.05522@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 22 April 2003 07:41 am, Shawn wrote: > Generally, we follow something along the lines of: > > Development servers: Roman/Greek Gods/Heroes/Monsters > Production: Function names (ie: www, smtp, etc...) > NT domain controllers: location is used (ie: mndc01) Hmm, If you have a NT domain controller in production, would function name be "unstable"? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil at rephil.org Tue Apr 22 11:44:27 2003 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <20030422170003.26007.59328.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030422170003.26007.59328.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030422164428.E2C4B73D24@maynard.rephil.org> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org writes: > From: Erik Anderson > I would assume that the teflon helps as well when pulling large bunches > of cable through long conduit runs... You might assume that, until you actually pull a large bundle through a long conduit run. :) The teflon isn't enough to make it slippery on the outside. P -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Apr 22 11:47:19 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <20030422164428.E2C4B73D24@maynard.rephil.org> References: <20030422170003.26007.59328.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <20030422164428.E2C4B73D24@maynard.rephil.org> Message-ID: <3EA57217.70104@andersonfam.org> Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > You might assume that, until you actually pull a large bundle through a > long conduit run. :) The teflon isn't enough to make it slippery on > the outside. Good point. That's when you need to get the winch out :-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil at rephil.org Tue Apr 22 11:50:48 2003 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] noise cancellation In-Reply-To: <20030422170003.26007.59328.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030422170003.26007.59328.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030422165048.9571073D24@maynard.rephil.org> > From: "Pastor Doug Coats" > I asked a an engineer a similar question when I was working on setting up a > sound system for a gym. Our concern was canceling out the echoes. His > response was that theoretically you can cancel out sound with the reverse > wave length of the same sound. > In practice you would need one of three things to happen. > > 1. You would need to mic the sound at it's source and place the speakers at > the same location. > > 2. You would need mic the location of the ears and place the speakers at > the same location. > > or > > 3. You would have to have a limitless number of mics to pick up all of the > sound waves bouncing off of all of the surfaces for the speakers to conceal > out the sounds. > > The only one that is somewhat practical is number one. Say if you had an > extremely load air conditioner or something and wanted to cancel out it's > noise. Number two would require some sort of headphone contraption > connected to a battery source and a portable/wearable PC. > > As far a Linux being able to accomplish the first idea I don't know. Active noise cancellation is a bit more involved than what you suggest. As an engineer, yes, the principle of creating null points is the idea, but in practice you are talking about a lot of predictive filtering. Ford Motor had a research group that did quite a bit of work on it, maybe 5-7 years ago -- at least they published a fair amount of work in the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society around that time. As far as Linux being able to do it, it doesn't make a whole ton of sense. A standalone / embedded DSP is much more appropriate, but if you wanted to do it for grins, you would want to look at low latency kernels, like the real-time linux project, since it would play havoc with your cancellation (i.e., make the room noisier, since the adjusting signal would basically be noise if *IT* wasn't cancelled out) if the cancelling algorithm's process got niced by some hoggy process, like Java or something. P -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Apr 22 12:03:10 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304221203.10730.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Tuesday 22 April 2003 09:08 am, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, David Phillips wrote: > > The IP address is static, assuming you never the change MAC address of > > the ethernet interface connected to the modem. > > I believe their lease is actually 60 days; I know it's never changed on > me while the box is running, but there have been times where I've > rebooted after about a year of uptime for a new kernel, and received a > new IP address from them (same MAC address on the NIC, of course). If I > reboot right after that, I keep the new IP. I have had it change on me while the machine was up. There was a power blip. My servers/firewall are on UPS's so they weren't affected, but the modem did a blip and the ip address bounced down 10. Other than that, I have had it change only if I change network cards or if the power is out for more than 3 days (went on vacation once, before UPS was on firewall, power went out, box didn't reboot). I don't believe that Nate's 60 days is correct. I checked it once and I believe it is only 2-4 days (although that was about a year ago...). -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Apr 22 12:25:19 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <3EA57217.70104@andersonfam.org> References: <20030422170003.26007.59328.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <20030422164428.E2C4B73D24@maynard.rephil.org> <3EA57217.70104@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <200304221225.19842.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Tuesday 22 April 2003 11:47 am, Erik Anderson wrote: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > You might assume that, until you actually pull a large bundle through > > a long conduit run. :) The teflon isn't enough to make it slippery > > on the outside. > > Good point. That's when you need to get the winch out :-) > That's when you get the Wire-Ease out. Of course the next guy is going to hate you, because when that stuff hardens it is worse than cement :( -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Apr 22 12:25:44 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF26@mail.temgweb.com> If you only have a couple of servers, it's not a big deal, but when you have hundreds, it's imperative that you make damn sure you name using a method that tells you what each one is for. For example, m-icecast24 would tell me that it's icecast server number 24 in the minneapolis data center. (I don't really have this machine, but this is a similar naming convention we used at a place I used to work). Naming a server something like linux17 is just plain stupid. What the hell does it do? I dunno, better log into it and find out. The only thing I know about it is that it runs linux, and there are probably at least 16 other ones. This naming scheme would suck for me, because I'm a network guy, not a server guy. Since I don't work with this particular machine on a daily basis, I'd probably have to call someone to find out. Unfortunately, I've seen this method used extensively before. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Kelleran [mailto:kiler0n@ags-us.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:13 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions As much as I want to name my servers something unique and cool, I tend to stick with what David is saying. Typically, I prefer using the airport code of the city the server is in + function specifier (i.e., A = Application, W = Web, M = Mail, etc) + number. I know, the majority of you are probably cringing with such a "corporate" naming convention. But ultimately, naming conventions should be a documented best practices within your organization. Now naming my personal servers at home is another story. Since I only have a handful, this allows me artistic space to be creative with names. Just my .02 Smith, Craig A (MN14) writes: > At the north end of last Friday's beer meeting, there was a > discussion about server naming conventions. I opined the names of 7 > dwarfs works only until you get an 8th server. > [...] I'm curious as to why you'd need to arbitrarily make up a bunch of server names. I've always named servers after their function. That practice has been used everywhere I've worked. When you have names like www, ns, backup, db, mail, etc., followed by numbers, it is obvious what each box does. It keeps you from saying ``fox is down again'', with people left asking ``is that the mail server or the database server?''. Now, if you're starting a project and need a codename for it, you might pick a short name like ``ant'', and thus name the server that, but that's different than everyday production servers. People would still know what the server was if they knew about the project. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Apr 22 12:52:33 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions (Microsoft jab) In-Reply-To: <200304221141.05522@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <20030422074117.72a78f4a.sfertch@real-time.com> <200304221141.05522@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030422125233.6d696e76.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:41:05 -0500 Bob Tanner wrote: > Hmm, If you have a NT domain controller in production, would function > name be "unstable"? > Must resist feeding the troll....... =P _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Apr 22 13:42:17 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF2A@mail.temgweb.com> On a sort of related note, if for some reason your provider requires you to use DHCP and you want to use a cisco router (2500, 2600, 3600, etc...), there is a hidden command to make it grab its address using DHCP. Under the interface config, do "ip address dhcp". They do make DSL and DOCSIS WIC cards for cisco routers too. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From michael.arolan at excite.com Tue Apr 22 14:09:23 2003 From: michael.arolan at excite.com (michael.arolan@excite.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMAP and Sendmail Message-ID: <20030422190923.79C3A1E44B@xmxpita.excite.com> Hi Guys/Ladies! I'm trying to develop a Mail User Agent (Using JavaMail) to work with Sendmail. I read in the docs that I need to connect to the "Store" (the email database) using a protocol like IMAP or POP. I am not familiar with IMAP but I understand it comes as default on RH Linix 8.0. My question is, how to you configure Sendmail and IMAP to work together? Has any one tried this? Regards - Michael PS: I was able to send emails but just having problems retrieving emails. _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Apr 22 14:46:09 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian on an Alpha In-Reply-To: <20030421172258.9AEE973D24@maynard.rephil.org> Message-ID: Took lots of digging, but finially found a SRM bios for the thing. After that, things went much more smoothly. As it is, Debian setup aboot after installing. It works, I guess. Just don't reboot the machine remotely. :) I actually built a new kernel after a few tries. Mmm, speedy. :) I think it actualy runs Mozilla faster than my Athalon that has similar memory and scsi disks. I was going to bring it back into work today and try out that new kernel, but I forgot it. :( Also stuck on XFree 3 for the moment, XFree4 didn't want to fire up on a 3dlabs Permedia2. Once I'm done playing with this and have it usable, I still have the older 500a workstation to play with. Too bad the rest of the retired hardware shelf isn't so nice. Not much left but junk now. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." -- Kernel Panic: I have no root and I want to scream. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Tue Apr 22 15:28:31 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] simple rh module question Message-ID: <3EA5A5EF.10802@gac.edu> In redhat (9), how do I get the kernel to load an already-compiled reiserfs module? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 22 15:40:38 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF26@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF26@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030422204038.GC5457@skuld.wookimus.net> On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 12:25:44PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > For example, m-icecast24 would tell me that it's icecast server number > 24 in the minneapolis data center. CNAME's are good for this. Personally, I'd start looking up Inuit words for snow[1,2]. Yes, some names are hoaxes[3], but it's a nice name list. Either way, using multiple CNAME or even multiple A records are not out of the question. Which one is going to be more memorable for you? SSH'ing in to m-icecast24 or qanuk. Whatever the answer is, the bottom line is that it doesn't matter. Give each server a unique name along the theme's route, then CNAME services to them. For example: # Pardon any errors in this example format qanuk IN A 192.168.1.24 IN TXT "Yup'ik for snowflake" IN TXT "Dual AMD Debian GNU/Linux 3.0" m-icecast24 IN CNAME qanuk Now, you can ssh into either, but you can still have a little fun doing it. References ========== 1. http://www.princeton.edu/~browning/snow.html 2. http://www.urbanlegends.com/language/eskimo_words_for_snow_derby.html 3. http://www.mendosa.com/snow.html -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Apr 22 19:26:45 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF26@mail.temgweb.com> <20030422204038.GC5457@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <008a01c3092f$054c8680$0201a8c0@brinstar> Chad Walstrom writes: > CNAME's are good for this. Personally, I'd start looking up Inuit > words for snow[1,2]. Yes, some names are hoaxes[3], but it's a nice > name list. Either way, using multiple CNAME or even multiple A > records are not out of the question. CNAMEs are generally a bad idea. In most cases, they force an extra DNS query, which increases latency and makes both the resolver and content server do more work. Another problem is that a CNAME cannot exist for a name if there are any other records for that name, regardless of the type. This means you can't have both a CNAME and an MX record for a name. CNAMEs should never be used with mail: http://cr.yp.to/im/cname.html If at all possible, use multiple A records instead of CNAMEs. This is easy to do with good DNS software. The tinydns data format makes it easy to replace names with IP addresses using standard UNIX tools when the database is generated. MyDNS has native support for server side aliases. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Apr 22 19:44:22 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: <008a01c3092f$054c8680$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF26@mail.temgweb.com> <20030422204038.GC5457@skuld.wookimus.net> <008a01c3092f$054c8680$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030423004422.GN1262@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 07:26:45PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > CNAMEs are generally a bad idea. In most cases, they force an extra DNS > query, which increases latency and makes both the resolver and content > server do more work. I could blink twice or so in the time it will take. > Another problem is that a CNAME cannot exist for a name if there are any > other records for that name, regardless of the type. This means you can't > have both a CNAME and an MX record for a name. CNAMEs should never be used > with mail: > > http://cr.yp.to/im/cname.html I'm starting to wonder if djb has penis envy, he's (once again) bashing sendmail. > > If at all possible, use multiple A records instead of CNAMEs. This is easy > to do with good DNS software. The tinydns data format makes it easy to > replace names with IP addresses using standard UNIX tools when the database > is generated. MyDNS has native support for server side aliases. It's easy to do with just about any DNS software. Are you being paid to market djb's software? > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Apr 22 20:24:47 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF26@mail.temgweb.com> <20030422204038.GC5457@skuld.wookimus.net> <008a01c3092f$054c8680$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030423004422.GN1262@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <002d01c30937$20c5efc0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > I could blink twice or so in the time it will take. That's still a significant amount of time, especially when either systems involved are on slow links. It's an extra cost that serves no useful benefit. There is no point in making the DNS system any less reliable. > I'm starting to wonder if djb has penis envy, he's (once again) > bashing sendmail. Yes, the entire point of that page was to bash sendmail. It didn't have anything to do with pointing out the interoperability issues involving CNAMEs in mail. In fact, sendmail wasn't even relevant and didn't need to be mentioned at all. > It's easy to do with just about any DNS software. It's much more difficult to do with BIND, due to the zone file format being more complex. You would practically need to store the data in a different format and generate all the zone files from it. And if you're going that route, you might as well look at a different solution like MyDNS. > Are you being paid to market djb's software? (Are you being paid to be an ass?) Being a pragmatic systems administrator means choosing the best tools for the job. Dan Bernstein writes excellent software. It would be silly to ignore all of it simply because you dislike him as a person. But that is your personal choice. In case you were wondering, I don't use tinydns now for authoritative DNS. I use MyDNS. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamesmasters at attbi.com Tue Apr 22 21:02:37 2003 From: jamesmasters at attbi.com (Jim Masters) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good Minnesota colo facilities? References: <20030423015701.13897.78440.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <000f01c3093c$6a75d220$0501000a@wrkstn1> Hi, I am looking for a good local colo facility. Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Apr 22 21:08:26 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good Minnesota colo facilities? In-Reply-To: <000f01c3093c$6a75d220$0501000a@wrkstn1> References: <20030423015701.13897.78440.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <000f01c3093c$6a75d220$0501000a@wrkstn1> Message-ID: <20030422210826.552fa28b.sfertch@real-time.com> Check with Real Time, I think they might still be offering co-locate services. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 22 21:10:30 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good Minnesota colo facilities? In-Reply-To: <000f01c3093c$6a75d220$0501000a@wrkstn1> References: <20030423015701.13897.78440.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <000f01c3093c$6a75d220$0501000a@wrkstn1> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Jim Masters wrote: > I am looking for a good local colo facility. VISI's good if you can afford it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 22 21:13:15 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: <008a01c3092f$054c8680$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF26@mail.temgweb.com> <20030422204038.GC5457@skuld.wookimus.net> <008a01c3092f$054c8680$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, David Phillips wrote: > Another problem is that a CNAME cannot exist for a name if there are any > other records for that name, regardless of the type. This means you > can't have both a CNAME and an MX record for a name. You mean this is illegal: mail A 10.0.0.1 MX 5 mx1.example.com. MX 5 mx2.example.com. MX 10 offsitemx.example.com. pop CNAME mail What RFC is that in? That's pretty common practice, and has never broken anything for me.. Or are you just saying that you can't have *different* MX records for the CNAME than the record it's pointing to? That should be self-obvious -- it's a pointer. So if you don't use cnames at all, how do you do virtual hosting? IE: webserver.example.com. A 10.0.0.2 www.customer1.example.com. CNAME webserver.example.com. www.customer2.example.com. CNAME webserver.example.com. www.customer3.example.com. CNAME webserver.example.com. This is especially important if, say, www.customer3.example.com is hosted on the customer's own DNS server.. then if you need to change webserver's ip address, it doesn't affect the customer, you just do it. If the customer was adding an A record to your IP, you'd have to make sure that they also update their DNS servers when the change is made.. speaking from personal experience, customers have a tendancy to ignore the three warnings in advance of the change and then they get all pissed when their web site stops working. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Apr 22 21:47:55 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: <20030422145346.GB8625@mnsdev3> References: <20030422145346.GB8625@mnsdev3> Message-ID: <4959.192.1.1.15.1051066075.squirrel@dccmn.com> Hmmm. I think Jupiter is up to something like 52 now.... Thomas Eibner said: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 09:05:48AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: >> I was a little more creative with my personal machines though. I'm >> using the moons of Saturn, and I don't expect to ever have more than >> 18 working machines (lest my wife kill me) > > No way! That is mine!!!! :) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Apr 22 21:57:19 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: References: <20030422074117.72a78f4a.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4989.192.1.1.15.1051066639.squirrel@dccmn.com> Yea, I heard that Cerberus is a real dog... Munir Nassar said: > The naming convention i use is city names for servers and star names for > workstations > > so my servers would be: > alkuds, khalil, beitjala, asqalan, nurshams, albureij ( all in > palestine, in case you were wondering :) > > and workstations would be: > sadalbari, vega, sirius, zubenelgenubi, zubeneshemali and so forth > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Apr 22 22:09:06 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <3EA46295.9030100@netzero.net> References: <6A0561C7.1D5ED5A5.09BD8409@aol.com> <3EA46295.9030100@netzero.net> Message-ID: <1041.192.1.1.15.1051067346.squirrel@dccmn.com> The PVC that coats the non-plentum wire gives off REAL toxic gasses when it burns. Cyanide if I remember right. Many buildings put the cable in the ceiling, which is used as a cold return. A slow smoldering fires may not give off much smoke, but enough toxins to harm. Michael Ableyev said: > Plenum cables are covered with fire retardant of some sort or other. > That's all there's to it, I frankly, don't see why in the world they're > so desired. > If it's fear of intoxication, then having plenum cables gives only a > false sense of security cos in a burning building there are usually > enough of other toxic materials to sniff yourself dead. Oh, and also > the thing most people die of in a completely toxin free building fire - > ye ol' smoke. Someone, please, educate me as well, the rest of the world > can't be so ignorant, i'm proly missing something. :-) > > AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: >> OK, I gotta ask what plenum cable is... is it sheilded or something? >> >> -Nick > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Apr 22 22:16:46 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable In-Reply-To: <3EA57217.70104@andersonfam.org> References: <20030422170003.26007.59328.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <20030422164428.E2C4B73D24@maynard.rephil.org> <3EA57217.70104@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <1060.192.1.1.15.1051067806.squirrel@dccmn.com> Our network guy said the specs say you shouldn't put more than 7 lb of pressure on a single wire. Causes the wires to untwist and stretches the conductors. Erik Anderson said: > Phil Mendelsohn wrote: >> You might assume that, until you actually pull a large bundle through >> a long conduit run. :) The teflon isn't enough to make it slippery >> on the outside. > > Good point. That's when you need to get the winch out :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Tue Apr 22 22:50:32 2003 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CAT 5 UTP cable Message-ID: <38FBAAE2.50CE3824.09BD8409@aol.com> Ok, what toxic gasses aren't produced from plenum rated ethernet cable surely will be produced from PVC drain pipes. Not to mention the methane enriched sh*t inside the pipes. :-) -Nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Apr 22 23:08:08 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good Minnesota colo facilities? In-Reply-To: <000f01c3093c$6a75d220$0501000a@wrkstn1> Message-ID: What kind of bandwidth and rackspace are you looking for? On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Jim Masters wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a good local colo facility. > > Thanks, > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Tue Apr 22 23:56:11 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions (Microsoft jab) In-Reply-To: <200304221141.05522@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <20030422074117.72a78f4a.sfertch@real-time.com> <200304221141.05522@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <200304222356.11603.jack@jacku.com> On Tuesday 22 April 2003 11:41 am, Bob Tanner wrote: > Hmm, If you have a NT domain controller in production, would function name > be "unstable"? I don't know about that but when I ran the labs at DBU we "themed" each room. The room where we taught NT Admin and the NT Core class had machines named after ships that had gone down on Lake Superior. The exception was the instructors machine which was called "lighthouse". -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Apr 23 08:55:40 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning Message-ID: <1051106140.9056.992.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> I know that viruses on Linux is mostly a non-issue, but I was wondering if there are any offerings out there that are available that can scan files for viruses. I know there are scanners that go through email on the server to check that, so I was wondering if there are any other scanners available. Specifically, I'm looking for something that can scan files posted through ftp or an HTTP_POST, an extra bonus would be to control it through php, but if it just runs as a daemon I could live with that. I'm not worried about the server getting infected at all, I just don't want to unknowingly pass anything on to others. Thanks all. -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Apr 23 09:03:00 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: <1051106140.9056.992.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: McAfee has a version for Linux. We are using the FreeBSD version to scan e-mail, and we've been pretty happy with it. The cost was pretty reasonable for our needs, so it should be reasonably priced for a home version too. I've also heard good things about Trend Micro, but I've never used it. On 23 Apr 2003, Chris Frederick wrote: > I know that viruses on Linux is mostly a non-issue, but I was wondering > if there are any offerings out there that are available that can scan > files for viruses. I know there are scanners that go through email on > the server to check that, so I was wondering if there are any other > scanners available. Specifically, I'm looking for something that can > scan files posted through ftp or an HTTP_POST, an extra bonus would be > to control it through php, but if it just runs as a daemon I could live > with that. I'm not worried about the server getting infected at all, I > just don't want to unknowingly pass anything on to others. > > Thanks all. > -- > Chris Frederick > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 09:06:59 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: <1051106140.9056.992.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: On 23 Apr 2003, Chris Frederick wrote: > Specifically, I'm looking for something that can scan files posted > through ftp or an HTTP_POST, an extra bonus would be to control it > through php, but if it just runs as a daemon I could live with that. > I'm not worried about the server getting infected at all, I just don't > want to unknowingly pass anything on to others. Sure. For a free, good AV program, get ClamAV. It's got a daemon that runs in the background, which you can submit your files to, and it'll scan 'em and give you a return code. That way, you're not having to launch a large executable for every file you scan. For commercial solutions, you can use the Sophos libraries with Sophie for largely the same results. Otherwise, you can use the binary versions from Sophos, McAfee, Trend, and a few other vendors. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com Wed Apr 23 09:06:41 2003 From: Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com (Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning Message-ID: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA19420EF4@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> You can look at "Vexira Antivirus" or "Antivir Package" , which are command line virus scanners for linux. for vexira --- http://www.centralcommand.com/linux_workstation.html for antivir -- http://www.hbedv.com/produkte/products.htm#Work both run us daemons( max 20 daemons can be run ) and got some nice features , such as on-access scanning capabilities etc Antivir has got a GUI interface also, which includes scheduling capability and it is free. http://www.sebastian-geiges.de/tkantivir/tkantivir_en.htm have a good time.... Pradeep -----Original Message----- From: Chris Frederick [mailto:cdf123@cdf123.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:56 AM To: Twin Cities Linux User Group Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning I know that viruses on Linux is mostly a non-issue, but I was wondering if there are any offerings out there that are available that can scan files for viruses. I know there are scanners that go through email on the server to check that, so I was wondering if there are any other scanners available. Specifically, I'm looking for something that can scan files posted through ftp or an HTTP_POST, an extra bonus would be to control it through php, but if it just runs as a daemon I could live with that. I'm not worried about the server getting infected at all, I just don't want to unknowingly pass anything on to others. Thanks all. -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 09:18:31 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: References: <1051106140.9056.992.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20030423141830.GC30008@real-time.com> On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 09:06:59AM -0500, Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com) wrote: > On 23 Apr 2003, Chris Frederick wrote: > > Specifically, I'm looking for something that can scan files posted > > through ftp or an HTTP_POST, an extra bonus would be to control it > > through php, but if it just runs as a daemon I could live with that. > > I'm not worried about the server getting infected at all, I just don't > > want to unknowingly pass anything on to others. > > Sure. > > For a free, good AV program, get ClamAV. It's got a daemon that runs in > the background, which you can submit your files to, and it'll scan 'em and > give you a return code. That way, you're not having to launch a large > executable for every file you scan. The website http://clamav.elektrapro.com/ freshmeat has for clamav doesn't seem to be valid anymore. Is this abandonware or do you have another URL? > For commercial solutions, you can use the Sophos libraries with Sophie for > largely the same results. Otherwise, you can use the binary versions from > Sophos, McAfee, Trend, and a few other vendors. So, are you saying that McAfee, Trend, etc don't have daemons? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030423/0c9ffdd8/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 09:25:00 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: <20030423141830.GC30008@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > The website http://clamav.elektrapro.com/ freshmeat has for clamav > doesn't seem to be valid anymore. Is this abandonware or do you have > another URL? That's the proper URL.. looks like someone let the domain expire (expires today). I can still get it here since the DNS entry is still cached.. :) If you add: 62.149.225.70 clamav.elektrapro.com to /etc/hosts, you'll be able to get it. > So, are you saying that McAfee, Trend, etc don't have daemons? For Trend, there's Trophie (open-source front end to the libraries); never used it though. Don't know of any daemon for McAfee or the others. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Wed Apr 23 09:27:21 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Message-ID: Just be aware that the Cisco config for DOCSIS is a little more involved if you want to (need to) get a dynamic IP and NAT to it. I know, I'm running a Cisco ubr924 against AT&T Broadband (now Comcast). On the other hand, I had no idea that they were now doing a DOCSIS WIC card, that's cool. P.S. sorry for the top posting, I really need to re-subscribe to my home account, where I can use a mail client that I can control. Anybody know how to make Groupwise quote previous text with > ? Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org 04/22/03 08:57PM >>> Message: 9 From: "Austad, Jay" To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" Subject: RE: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:42:17 -0500 Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org On a sort of related note, if for some reason your provider requires you to use DHCP and you want to use a cisco router (2500, 2600, 3600, etc...), there is a hidden command to make it grab its address using DHCP. Under the interface config, do "ip address dhcp". They do make DSL and DOCSIS WIC cards for cisco routers too. Jay --__--__-- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Wed Apr 23 09:31:39 2003 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FS - Xyplex MAXserver 1600 Message-ID: My bro got a bunch of these from an auction. If you don't know what it is... 16port terminal server, AUI/BNC 10baseT - supports telnet, bootp, tftp. They don't have the OS flash cards but can be booted via tftp/bootp. I've heard, but don't have proof or linkage, that you can use other 2mb flash cards for these. If you can get a flash card that works you can use the xyplex to flash the OS to the card also. I don't have specifics on the amount of ram per each. At least 1mb each. They can be upgraded to 5mb. These take standard 1MB 30-pin peasea SIMMs. The boot flash is quite hard to get (old linear-style) but they do boot happily over the network via MOP, tftp, or XMOP. Some links I do have on configuration and software - http://www.gno.org/~gdr/xyplex/ http://www.conserver.com/consoles/ He want's $40/each (includes shipping for Cont. USA). Mail me off list if yer interested. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Apr 23 09:47:35 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: References: <20030423141830.GC30008@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030423144735.GA26578@fandre.com> On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > > The website http://clamav.elektrapro.com/ freshmeat has for clamav > > doesn't seem to be valid anymore. Is this abandonware or do you have > > another URL? > > That's the proper URL.. looks like someone let the domain expire (expires > today). I can still get it here since the DNS entry is still cached.. :) > > If you add: > > 62.149.225.70 clamav.elektrapro.com > > to /etc/hosts, you'll be able to get it. > > > So, are you saying that McAfee, Trend, etc don't have daemons? > > For Trend, there's Trophie (open-source front end to the libraries); never > used it though. > > Don't know of any daemon for McAfee or the others. Vextra is the only one I know of that does real-time file scanning. It does it via a kernel module that intercepts file system calls. I haven't tried it, but I would assume the system would take a performance hit. At the company I'm currently working at McAfee was rolled out to all UNIX systems. (well over 1000 systems) It works well and they come out with new definitions pretty often. We are only doing nightly scans via cron using a custom wrapper script that automatically updates the dat file before it runs. It's nice because it also checks for UNIX trojans and backdoors as well as M$ viruses. Another good AV scanner is F-prot. It is free for non-commercial use and has an installer in the debian unstable branch. http://www.f-prot.com/products/home_use/linux/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cxobert at goldengate.net Wed Apr 23 09:47:46 2003 From: cxobert at goldengate.net (cxobert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions In-Reply-To: <4959.192.1.1.15.1051066075.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <000901c309a7$54e3ceb0$39a0fad8@obertf4hni2tx2> I'm a little bit surprised no-one has mentioned naming servers for Chthulhu Mythos monsters. Although I'm not sure I would want to deal with Nyarlathotep being down. Cheers, Charlie Obert "Pardon my Freedom." _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Apr 23 09:52:16 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: <20030423144735.GA26578@fandre.com> Message-ID: > with new definitions pretty often. We are only doing nightly scans via > cron using a custom wrapper script that automatically updates the dat The one from the manual? :) I thought it was pretty cool that they included a shell script in the printed manual, to fetch dat updates. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Apr 23 10:00:43 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server naming conventions References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF26@mail.temgweb.com> <20030422204038.GC5457@skuld.wookimus.net> <008a01c3092f$054c8680$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <001201c309a9$1d2d0ac0$0201a8c0@brinstar> natecars@real-time.com writes: > mail A 10.0.0.1 > MX 5 mx1.example.com. > MX 5 mx2.example.com. > MX 10 offsitemx.example.com. > pop CNAME mail The only CNAME there is for pop, so it's legal. You aren't (I assume) trying to send mail to pop. (Why can't you say ALIAS instead of CNAME and have your DNS software automatically convert it to the correct A record?) > Or are you just saying that you can't have *different* MX records for > the CNAME than the record it's pointing to? That should be > self-obvious -- it's a pointer. You can't do this even if mail.example.net is an A record: example.com. CNAME example.net. example.com. 10 MX mail.example.net. This is specified in RFC 1034 section 3.6.2. > So if you don't use cnames at all, how do you do virtual hosting? IE: > > webserver.example.com. A 10.0.0.2 > www.customer1.example.com. CNAME webserver.example.com. > www.customer2.example.com. CNAME webserver.example.com. > www.customer3.example.com. CNAME webserver.example.com. In that case, you can use A records, since they are all hosted on the same DNS server. > This is especially important if, say, www.customer3.example.com is > hosted on the customer's own DNS server.. then if you need to change > webserver's ip address, it doesn't affect the customer, you just do > it. In that case, you could use a CNAME. But with the CNAME scheme, you will need another level of indirection: www.example.org. CNAME c3.customer.example.com. Otherwise, if you have customer3 and customer4 both pointing at webserver.example.com, you can't move them to separate servers without the customers updating their DNS records. But what about the bigger issue here? Most customers don't want their website to work on just www.example.org. They also want it to work on example.org. They also want to be able to receive mail for example.org. example.org cannot be a CNAME, since it can't co-exist with an MX record. > If the customer was adding an A record to your IP, you'd have to > make sure that they also update their DNS servers when the change is > made.. speaking from personal experience, customers have a tendancy > to ignore the three warnings in advance of the change and then they > get all pissed when their web site stops working. Yep. Which is why we don't support customers handling their own DNS. But we also provide mail and everything else, along with a web based DNS editor, so it's not an issue. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mthoren at mttcc.com Thu Apr 24 11:14:05 2003 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? Message-ID: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> I saw the post for a QT/KDE developer and I have to ask what QT/KDE gives you over simply using vi, make, gdb, X-Motif. I realize that someone has convinced the customer already to go down this path, but is this is a trend? What about the cost of business use licensing of QT? Why tie the code to KDE? Why not Java? Just curious as to what other are thinking about development within linux. Wouldn't linux go farther faster with standards that business and industry can grasp and have some confidence in finding people who know how to maintain their developed code? There seems to be to many integrated desktop environments to keep up with. Can I suggest vi, make, and some debugger(gdb,xgdb,debugger,etc)? Matt. Matt Thoren MTT Computer Consulting Inc. www.mttcc.com mthoren@mttcc.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Apr 23 11:14:15 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: References: <20030423144735.GA26578@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030423161415.GB26578@fandre.com> On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > > with new definitions pretty often. We are only doing nightly scans via > > cron using a custom wrapper script that automatically updates the dat > > The one from the manual? :) > > I thought it was pretty cool that they included a shell script in the > printed manual, to fetch dat updates. It started out the one from the manual, but that one is complete junk. I re-wrote it to work correctly. It also FTPs the dats and apps from a local corporate ftp server that I manage. The biggest problem with the default on is the use of the -newer flag, which doesn't find files copied via Windows/SAMBA since Windows doesn't update mtime on copied files. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Wed Apr 23 11:16:56 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF618A6@ipserver2.interplastic.com> -----Original Message----- From: Matt Thoren [mailto:mthoren@mttcc.com] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:14 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? I saw the post for a QT/KDE developer and I have to ask what QT/KDE gives you over simply using vi, make, gdb, X-Motif. I realize that someone has convinced the customer already to go down this path, but is this is a trend? What about the cost of business use licensing of QT? Why tie the code to KDE? Why not Java? Just curious as to what other are thinking about development within linux. Wouldn't linux go farther faster with standards that business and industry can grasp and have some confidence in finding people who know how to maintain their developed code? There seems to be to many integrated desktop environments to keep up with. Can I suggest vi, make, and some debugger(gdb,xgdb,debugger,etc)? Matt. Matt Thoren MTT Computer Consulting Inc. www.mttcc.com mthoren@mttcc.com I think Philip Greenspun has a good point in this article http://tinyurl.com/8ws4 "The non-Microsoft world seems to have descended into a Tower of Babel of competing languages, libraries, and execution environments. " There is a little truth to that. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 11:26:54 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cross-post from tclug-jobs: Sub-contractor needed with QT/KDE development experience Message-ID: <20030423112654.G2179@real-time.com> Sorry for the cross-post, but I didn't get any responses to this post on tclug-jobs, so I'm cross-posting it here. Original post here: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-jobs/2003-April/000204.html Real Time is looking for a QT/KDE developer for a sub-contract position. Your first responsibility will be to write code, but you will have a seco ndary responsibility to help mentor Win32 developers (VC++, VB developers) on h ow to develop QT/KDE code in a Linux environment. Think of the position as a missionary :-) You'll come with me into the wo rld of Win32 developers and preach the open source/linux gospel. What could b e better? :-) I must stress that you will need strong QT/KDE skills. Since you'll have to mentor other developers in these skills -and- you'll start mentoring day 1. There won't be much time for learning as you go on the contract. Skill set: Experience developing in a Linux environment (using Redhat now) QT/KDE development experience (Using QT-3.0.5 and KDE-3.0.4 now) CVS experience Team Development Communication Skills XP (extreme programming) Development KDevelop experience a plus Cppunit experience a plus Start Date: Week of Apr 28, 2003 End Date: Should know on Apr 23, 2003, but looking like Jul 1, 2003 Rate: Negotiable Location: Hopkins, MN (must work on site) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 11:37:31 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good Minnesota colo facilities? In-Reply-To: <000f01c3093c$6a75d220$0501000a@wrkstn1> References: <20030423015701.13897.78440.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <000f01c3093c$6a75d220$0501000a@wrkstn1> Message-ID: <200304231137.31874@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 22 April 2003 09:02 pm, Jim Masters wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a good local colo facility. Define good. Good as in cheap? Good as in secure? Good as in lots of bandwidth? Good as in no meter of traffic? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Apr 23 11:40:22 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <20030423164022.GR1262@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 11:14:05AM -0500, Matt Thoren wrote: > I saw the post for a QT/KDE developer and I have to ask what QT/KDE > gives you over simply using > vi, make, gdb, X-Motif. Because X-Motif isn't pretty =) > > I realize that someone has convinced the customer already to go down > this path, but is this is a trend? > > What about the cost of business use licensing of QT? Why tie the code > to KDE? Depends on if you're open source, or selling the software. The for open source products it's free. For closed source products it varies(1). > Why not Java? Speed, portability, and things like the GUI. > Just curious as to what other are thinking about development within > linux. Wouldn't linux go farther faster with standards that business > and industry can grasp and have some confidence in finding people who > know how to maintain their developed code? Having choices is good, and the ones that aren't so good will eventually die off. I'm quite happy with Qt, it looks great, and is pretty damned easy to deal with. > Matt. > > Matt Thoren > MTT Computer Consulting Inc. > www.mttcc.com > mthoren@mttcc.com (1) http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/pricing.html -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 12:53:52 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 24 April 2003 11:14 am, Matt Thoren wrote: > I saw the post for a QT/KDE developer and I have to ask what QT/KDE > gives you over simply using > vi, make, gdb, X-Motif. Ever try to teach a die-hard win32 programmer use to visual c++ and it's environment vi, make, gdb? It's hard, kdevelop eases the pain for these type people. At the same time, I can still use emacs, make, gdb with in a kdevelop project. I've done a lot of Motif (lesstif) development. Works great if the language of implementation is C, not so great when the language is C++. I also consider Motif an "old" generation UI framework. Modern UI frameworks like GTK and QT have much more flexiblity and power. Simple things like network transparency are missing from Motif (as in saving a file on local hard drive or on a ftp server). Lastly, Motif is not open source. There are requirements of this project to be able to build everything from source. Yes, we could do LessTif, but lets ignore that for now :-) > I realize that someone has convinced the customer already to go down > this path, but is this is a trend? I can only hope. Having done a large project in gtk, I can say qt steps all over gtk from a developer standpoint. Signals and slots are amazingly powerful. The qt framework is much more mature and thought out imho then most other frameworks out there. > What about the cost of business use licensing of QT? QT is GPL. I'm assuming you mean cost as in money here right? GPL = free as in no money. So, what cost is there? > Why tie the code to KDE? Why tie it to gtk, motif, athena, aqua, sunview, openview... If you develop mostly QT, you aren't tyeing the application to KDE. QT is available for OSX, BeOS, Windows. > Why not Java? Personally, java swing sucks. Java has a terrible UI. There are also requirements on this current project that prevent usage of Java. > Just curious as to what other are thinking about development within > linux. Wouldn't linux go farther faster with standards that business > and industry can grasp and have some confidence in finding people who > know how to maintain their developed code? You mean standards like Visual C++ and MFC? :-) C++ is a standard correct? I believe Java is not a standard (yet). I think any compentent C++ programmer could pickup (and love!) QT. Since QT and KDE are GPL the source code is all there, so it should be easy to find a C++ developer who can maintain the code. Given, a few days of learning QT, of course. > There seems to be to many integrated desktop environments to keep up > with. Can I suggest vi, make, and some debugger(gdb,DB,debugger,etc)? Sure! But the main reason I like linux is the -freedom- of choice to use different tools that fit my needs. But see the above. vi, make, gdb are not user friendly and the learning curve is steep, especially for most Win32 developers. Kdevelop is the primary tool for KDE develop, but uses all the familiar things that linux people are use to, so other members of the team are using kdevelop, I can still use emacs/make/gdb. - -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+ptMyfPGnCSzBsogRAgbDAKCzS4P1xoOdWrwGxtRvOkDYp09o5QCfQ4nj /ZavLBbkopi9U6CEUL0sGk0= =8PeK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Wed Apr 23 12:58:03 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gentoo eth0 problem Message-ID: When you boot off the livecd, run "lsmod" to see what modules it loaded for your NIC (except, now that I think about it, it may not show you, because *I think* the newer livecds have support for all the NICs built in...) but if you search on google, you should find what driver you need (my first guess would be tulip.o.) Be wary too, that in some situations it acts kind of funny. For instance, with PCMCIA NICs, cardmgr will bring eth0 up automatically, so when I boot, it generates an "eth0 already up" error and when I shutdown, an "eth0 not up" error, because both cardmgr and the init scripts are trying to bring it up or down. As for your configuration in /etc/conf.d/, you only need to change net.eth0 if you also have a net.eth1, etc. If you're using dhcp and your init scripts sit on "Bringing up eth0..." for a minute, *then* it fails, it is not contacting your dhcp server. If worse comes to worse, download a v1.2 LiveCD and modprobe various net drivers until you find the one you need, if the version you have doesn't allow you to do so. Once you find that, just add the appropriate driver as a module in your kernel and you should be golden. -John >>> jhaahei2@gac.edu 04/22/03 11:28AM >>> I've been working on an install of gentoo for a while, and I've finally got the kernel compiled. When I go to boot, though, I always run into a problem with eth0. It says that it can't bring up eth0. I'm kind of stuck -- I don't really know where to start trying to fix this. It would seem to me that maybe I didn't compile support for my ethernet card, but I don't know what to do there. I've got a linksys lne100tx which doesn't show up in the kernel configuration anywhere. When I ran gentoo install off the cd, it found my card fine and got it working. Could it be something other than the card driver? In /etc/conf.d/net, I set it up to do dhcp. Do I need to do more than that in net.eth0? Anybody have any suggestions? Perhaps this is obvious. Ack. justin _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Apr 23 13:23:12 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030423182312.GA5426@refried.org> On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 12:53:52PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > QT is GPL. I'm assuming you mean cost as in money here right? GPL = > free as in no money. Wrong. GPL = Free as in speech. No one is required to give away their program for free just because it's GPL. They are just required to provide the source to people they distribute binaries to. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Wed Apr 23 13:38:23 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF618A8@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: nate@refried.org [mailto:nate@refried.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:23 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 12:53:52PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > QT is GPL. I'm assuming you mean cost as in money here right? GPL = > > free as in no money. > > Wrong. GPL = Free as in speech. No one is required to give > away their > program for free just because it's GPL. They are just required to > provide the source to people they distribute binaries to. > > Nate > > _______________________________________________ I tell people GPL is FREEDOM software and it is usually low cost or free. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Apr 23 13:46:24 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF618A8@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF618A8@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <20030423184624.GB5426@refried.org> On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 01:38:23PM -0500, RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com wrote: > I tell people GPL is FREEDOM software and it is usually low cost or free. Do people thing you're talking about French software these days? ;) Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Wed Apr 23 13:56:25 2003 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF618A9@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: nate@refried.org [mailto:nate@refried.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:46 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 01:38:23PM -0500, > RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com wrote: > > I tell people GPL is FREEDOM software and it is usually low > cost or free. > > Do people thing you're talking about French software these days? ;) > > Nate > Yeah, there is that. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 14:14:32 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: References: <20030423141830.GC30008@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030423191432.GE30008@real-time.com> On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 09:25:00AM -0500, Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com) wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > > The website http://clamav.elektrapro.com/ freshmeat has for clamav > > doesn't seem to be valid anymore. Is this abandonware or do you have > > another URL? > > That's the proper URL.. looks like someone let the domain expire (expires > today). I can still get it here since the DNS entry is still cached.. :) > > If you add: > > 62.149.225.70 clamav.elektrapro.com > > to /etc/hosts, you'll be able to get it. > > > So, are you saying that McAfee, Trend, etc don't have daemons? > > For Trend, there's Trophie (open-source front end to the libraries); never > used it though. > > Don't know of any daemon for McAfee or the others. Will clamAV work with mimedefang? What are the benefits of using mimedefang? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim Masters said: > > Hi, > > I am looking for a good local colo facility. > > Thanks, > Jim _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 14:37:22 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <20030423182312.GA5426@refried.org> References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030423182312.GA5426@refried.org> Message-ID: <200304231437.22980@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 23 April 2003 01:23 pm, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 12:53:52PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > QT is GPL. I'm assuming you mean cost as in money here right? GPL = > > free as in no money. > > Wrong. GPL = Free as in speech. No one is required to give away their > program for free just because it's GPL. They are just required to > provide the source to people they distribute binaries to. I type correct. :-) What I typed and what I wanted to say didn't connect. Seem to be doing that lately. Think it's because I'm getting old. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 14:56:50 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: <20030423191432.GE30008@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > Will clamAV work with mimedefang? Yeah, it's actually one of the most commonly used AV programs with MD, since it's free. > What are the benefits of using mimedefang? Using mimedefang versus what? (For those of you who don't know, MD is a Milter addon for Sendmail that lets you basically hack the message up in whatever way you'd like.. common uses are to call SpamAssassin and AV Scanners on the mail.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 15:16:29 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: References: <20030423191432.GE30008@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030423201629.GG30008@real-time.com> On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 02:56:50PM -0500, Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com) wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > > Will clamAV work with mimedefang? > > Yeah, it's actually one of the most commonly used AV programs with MD, > since it's free. > > > What are the benefits of using mimedefang? > > Using mimedefang versus what? > > (For those of you who don't know, MD is a Milter addon for Sendmail that > lets you basically hack the message up in whatever way you'd like.. common > uses are to call SpamAssassin and AV Scanners on the mail.) Not versus, in addition to. For instance, currently we run spamassasin in daemon mode. I'm looking for AV program also. Is there a benefit to running mimedefang in addition to these, performance-wise? Or is it more if you want to do additional message-hacking? Does MD work with postfix or exim? Sorry for the brain-suck, Nate :) -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030423/f234b2dd/attachment.pgp From admin at lctn.org Wed Apr 23 15:22:12 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning References: Message-ID: <001b01c309d6$08e0afe0$50c8c80a@DELL2> As long as you are bringing up MD. I am getting ready to attempt my first install. Does it have the ability to completely reject spam without actually processing it, or is this a spamassasin question? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning > On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > > Will clamAV work with mimedefang? > > Yeah, it's actually one of the most commonly used AV programs with MD, > since it's free. > > > What are the benefits of using mimedefang? > > Using mimedefang versus what? > > (For those of you who don't know, MD is a Milter addon for Sendmail that > lets you basically hack the message up in whatever way you'd like.. common > uses are to call SpamAssassin and AV Scanners on the mail.) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Apr 23 15:31:16 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: <1051106140.9056.992.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1051106140.9056.992.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1051129876.9055.1136.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Just wanted to say thanks again everyone. I had no clue that there were this many scanners available. I did a quick google for some others and there's one called RAV that I'm also looking at. The plan is to use HTTP_POST in php: I like the idea of the ClamAV daemon, if all it does is give a return code. I just need to get to their site, even the ip is timing out for me. RAV seems to do the same thing, but so far the trial download has about 3 pages of output for a single file scan (and thats without the -v verbose option) I'd like to have the code know whats going on, so an "on-access" scanner might be a bit much (one scan for the tempfile, one scan done in code, and another after copying it into place). McAfee sounds pretty good as well. Since this is commercial, I may have to go with them, but it sounds like it would have the features I'm looking for. Guess I got more research to do. Thanks for the info everyone. I'll keep checking for more as well, but it looks like it's between ClamAV (depends on license), McAfee, and RAV so far. -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 15:40:33 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: <001b01c309d6$08e0afe0$50c8c80a@DELL2> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > As long as you are bringing up MD. I am getting ready to attempt my > first install. Does it have the ability to completely reject spam > without actually processing it, or is this a spamassasin question? It just calls the SpamAssassin perl module, and lets you do whatever you'd like with the return codes. You've got the option to redirect the message to an address where all spam goes, just add headers, blackhole the message, reject the smtp connection.. basically, do anything you'd like. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 15:39:35 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: <20030423201629.GG30008@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > Not versus, in addition to. > > For instance, currently we run spamassasin in daemon mode. I'm > looking for AV program also. Is there a benefit to running mimedefang > in addition to these, performance-wise? Or is it more if you want to > do additional message-hacking? Performance-wise, if you don't need the per-user features of SA (per-user whitelist and thresholds, etc), you're better off running SpamAssassin through Mimedefang.. on a set of tests I did recently, Sendmail+MD with Sophie and SpamAssassin outperformed Exim+Exiscan with Sophie and Sendmail in Daemon Mode by ~5-10%. Of course, Exim alone outperformed Sendmail by ~100%. If you want to keep SpamAssassin in daemon mode, MD is still a decent way to go for virus scanning, if you're using Sendmail. It's nice and moduler, and (if you know perl) can be configured to do a lot of nice things, like run multiple virus scanners across the message. If you're using Exim, Exiscan works well. Not sure with Postfix, but I'm sure there's hooks to a virus scanner available for it somehow. > Does MD work with postfix or exim? No, it's sendmail only. If other MTA's implemented the Milter API, it'd work with them. The author's talked of hacking up the MTA's himself, but doesn't have the time to do the work unless someone's willing to pay for his time. > Sorry for the brain-suck, Nate :) 'tis ok. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Apr 23 16:32:12 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: <1051129876.9055.1136.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1051106140.9056.992.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <1051129876.9055.1136.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20030423213212.GI26578@fandre.com> On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Chris Frederick wrote: > > The plan is to use HTTP_POST in php: > check if HTTP_POST temp file exists{ > server(scan the file); > if(infected){ > delete it //could be done by the scanner? Sure. McAfee actually cleans the file if it can. (default option, can be over-ridden with options) Not sure if the other scanners can do in-file cleaning or not. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From michael.arolan at excite.com Wed Apr 23 16:36:16 2003 From: michael.arolan at excite.com (Michael) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMAP and Sendmail (Again!) Message-ID: <20030423213616.E3507B728@xmxpita.excite.com> Hi Guys/Ladies! I'm trying to develop a Mail User Agent (Using JavaMail) to work with Sendmail. I read in the docs that I need to connect to the "Store" (the email database) using a protocol like IMAP or POP. I am not familiar with IMAP but I understand it comes as default on RH Linix 8.0. My question is, how to you configure Sendmail and IMAP to work together? Has any one tried this? Regards - Michael PS: I was able to send emails but just having problems retrieving emails. _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Apr 23 16:35:52 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: References: <20030423201629.GG30008@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030423213552.GA19795@skuld.wookimus.net> On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 03:39:35PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Performance-wise, if you don't need the per-user features of SA > (per-user whitelist and thresholds, etc), you're better off running > SpamAssassin through Mimedefang.. We use Postfix+SpamAssassin+Amavisd-new+ClamAV. It seems to work pretty well. I don't have any performance tests for you to look at, but things seem to clip along well enough. The key with any of this kind of software is that you want to pull apart the email message once, then run all the tests upon it's constitutent parts in one shot. One of the biggest detractor for me regarding any type of server-based email filter daemons is that they also try to be local delivery agents. It may "make sense" from a single-server, performance-nazi standpoint, but for flexibility and scalability, proxying is a far better way to go. If you can manage to use SMTP proxying, you don't have to impact how the end-user manages his/her own emails. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards - Michael > > PS: I was able to send emails but just having problems retrieving emails. I would suggest that you read the following guide - it will give you a better understanding of email in general... http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Mail-Administrator-HOWTO.html -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 16:49:35 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux virus scanning In-Reply-To: <20030423213552.GA19795@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: > The key with any of this kind of software is that you want to pull > apart the email message once, then run all the tests upon it's > constitutent parts in one shot. Kind of hard to do for SpamAssassin.. as I understand it, some of the tests rely on getting a copy of the entire message. > One of the biggest detractor for me regarding any type of server-based > email filter daemons is that they also try to be local delivery > agents. It may "make sense" from a single-server, performance-nazi > standpoint, but for flexibility and scalability, proxying is a far > better way to go. If you can manage to use SMTP proxying, you don't > have to impact how the end-user manages his/her own emails. Which e-mail filters have you run into that try to be the local delivery agent? Sendmail+MD and Exim+Exiscan certainly don't.. you can configure them to scan relayed e-mail as easily as locally delivered. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamesmasters at attbi.com Wed Apr 23 17:59:04 2003 From: jamesmasters at attbi.com (Jim Masters) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good Minnesota colo facilities? References: <20030423210400.24294.83746.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <002b01c309eb$f06018a0$0501000a@wrkstn1> > From: Bob Tanner > > Define good. Good as in cheap? Good as in secure? Good as in lots of=20 > bandwidth? Good as in no meter of traffic? Sorry, I am looking for a colo, that would allow me to run several small non-commercial websites on my box. I would prefer something affordable and obviously someplace that wont let someone walk off with my server :) As far as bandwidth and metering it would be nice to have at least 5-10 gb of transfer a month, with options to buy more if I go over, without incurring a penalty. I would also like something in the Twin Cities area, and prefer the north part of the city, but its not a deal breaker. Hope this helps, and thanks to the people who have sent me links. Jim _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Apr 23 19:51:58 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <00d101c309fb$b5612630$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matt Thoren writes: > I saw the post for a QT/KDE developer and I have to ask what QT/KDE > gives you over simply using > vi, make, gdb, X-Motif. wxWindows is a much better idea than Motif. Why be tied to only one platform? wxWindows lets you develop applications with _native_ widgets for UNIX, Windows and MacOS: http://wxwindows.org/ Native widgets is one reason I like wxWindows more than Qt. Sure, Qt has skinning, but Qt apps just don't feel the same as a native application on Windows (and probably MacOS). wxWindows also has wxPython: http://wxpython.org/ Combining wxWindows with Python gives you an exclleent development environment for truely cross platform applications, all for free. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 23 23:22:27 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde-3.1 and kde-3.1.1a RPMs for Redhat 7.3, 8.0 and 9 Message-ID: <20030423232227.N4353@real-time.com> Just thought I'd pass along that ftp.mn-linux.org is now a mirror for the kde redhat linux project. http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ We have an apt repository for kde-3.1 and kde-3.1.1a for Redhat 7.3, Redhat 8.0 and Redhat 9. Enjoy. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Apr 23 23:35:46 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good Minnesota colo facilities? In-Reply-To: <002b01c309eb$f06018a0$0501000a@wrkstn1> References: <20030423210400.24294.83746.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <002b01c309eb$f06018a0$0501000a@wrkstn1> Message-ID: <1051158946.28053.31.camel@kremer> I apologize in advance for the semi-hijack here, but the question is very close to one I have... I'm looking for someplace to co-lo my server that's cheap, friendly to linux, and...well...cheap (no matter if it happens to use a little more bandwidth than expected, or if i need to physically touch the thing a few times in a month, or for several hours at a time) I suppose web hosting would be an option, but are there places out there that would let me run PHP, MySQL, and a Web Forum software and have the ability to import data from an existing server, and possibly use a LOT of disk space? If anyone cares, or if this is helpful in figuring out what I'm looking for: I'm a member of a car club and we have a website with an online forum. It's currently being run from a server that's connected to a member's DSL line and it seemed to be working out just fine until the motherboard puked on us and we had 48 hours of down time. We just replaced he hardware with a new motherboard, processor, RAM, and power supply for good measure. Now members are saying we need to find a place to host or co-lo and I've been put with the task of figuring out if there are reasonable options for that. Oh yeah...a place that's willing to deal with a tower rather than a rack-mount server for a period of time would also be a plus. (like i said...cheap is good. we're on a budget and I don't think a rack case is in it right now) On Wed, 2003-04-23 at 17:59, Jim Masters wrote: > > From: Bob Tanner > > > > Define good. Good as in cheap? Good as in secure? Good as in lots of=20 > > bandwidth? Good as in no meter of traffic? -- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjn at umn.edu Thu Apr 24 09:56:23 2003 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... Message-ID: This is probably a simple question but I am having a hard time finding out any information because i don't think i really know what i should be looking for. We've got a couple of RedHat boxes in our shop and I am mainly using MacOS X for my day-to-day stuff. I'd like to be able to open x11 apps on our RedHat boxes and have those displays exported to my MacOS X workstation. Does anyone know if this is possible? I've got Apple's X11 app and we've got all of the X stuff installed on redhat but I don't really know how to start an app and export the display or even if it is possible to do to my OS X machine. Any ideas? Help is much appretiated. -- _______________________________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs =============================================== E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com _______________________________________________ "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 24 10:13:42 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Repost with changes: Sub-contractor needed with C++ development experience Message-ID: <20030424101342.L2425@real-time.com> Since I only got a couple "tire kickers" on my original post , I've talked to the customer and made the following change. I'll be the mentor. So... Real Time is looking for a C++ developer for a sub-contract position. Your first responsibility will be to write code. This will be your only responsibility (ok, you'll be responsible for showering too!). I'll still want you to play an open-source/linux missionary. We need to make converts of some more Win32 developers. I must stress that you will need strong C++ skills. You can't be trying to understand abstract virtual methods when you'll trying to learning QT/KDE as well. We also have a pretty extensive design embodied in CRC cards and UML. So, it will help if you know these 2 design methodologies. Skill set: Experience developing in a Linux environment (using Redhat now) CVS experience Team Development Communication Skills XP (extreme programming) Development KDevelop experience a plus Cppunit experience a plus Start Date: Week of Apr 28, 2003 End Date: Should know on Apr 23, 2003, but looking like Jul 1, 2003 Rate: Negotiable Location: Hopkins, Minnesota USA (must work on site) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Apr 24 10:17:05 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EA7FFF1.5090107@andersonfam.org> mjn wrote: > Does anyone know if this is possible? I've got Apple's X11 app and we've > got all of the X stuff installed on redhat but I don't really know how to > start an app and export the display or even if it is possible to do to my > OS X machine. > > Any ideas? Help is much appretiated. You should be able to do the following: 1) ssh into your redhat box from your OSX box. 2) Assumming that you use the bash shell, type export DISPLAY=192.168.0.1:0.0, replacing the IP address with the IP address of your OSX box. 3) At this point, if your OSX box is configured correctly and ready to accept X11 connections, you should be able to start an x program and it will send the X11 packets over to the host specified in your DISPLAY variable. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Apr 24 10:48:24 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem Message-ID: <00bb01c30a78$f1332500$0b0b0b0a@DELL2> We are using a few netgear 110ps at a school. Each workstation has been set to print to a netgear port. It worked fine for a year. Now, every few days all workstations stop printing to the ps. The only way to resolve it, so far, is to create a new port. Once this is done everyone is fine for a few days, and then the problem occurs again. Is there a (easy to understand and implement) Linux print server I can set up to take place of the netgear boxes? Better yet, is there a simple fix for this problem??? Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030424/7796b3ee/attachment.htm From colin at lookingawry.com Thu Apr 24 10:49:01 2003 From: colin at lookingawry.com (colin schaub) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... In-Reply-To: <3EA7FFF1.5090107@andersonfam.org> References: <3EA7FFF1.5090107@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <28544.208.42.71.66.1051199341.squirrel@www.lookingawry.com> when you start up the Apple X11 app, configure X11 to allow client connections by typing into the xterm window... xhost +1.1.1.1 use the correct IP of the red hat box though as an aside, when i run java apps on my olde tyme linux box through X11 into my ibook, it's faster then running them entirely on the ibook. funny. colin. > You should be able to do the following: > > 1) ssh into your redhat box from your OSX box. > 2) Assumming that you use the bash shell, > type export DISPLAY=192.168.0.1:0.0, replacing the IP address with the > IP address of your OSX box. > 3) At this point, if your OSX box is configured correctly and ready to > accept X11 connections, you should be able to start an x program and it > will send the X11 packets over to the host specified in your DISPLAY > variable. > > -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Apr 24 11:01:59 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... In-Reply-To: <28544.208.42.71.66.1051199341.squirrel@www.lookingawry.com> References: <3EA7FFF1.5090107@andersonfam.org> <28544.208.42.71.66.1051199341.squirrel@www.lookingawry.com> Message-ID: <200304241101.59588.list@slushpupie.com> On Thursday 24 April 2003 10:49 am, colin schaub wrote: > when you start up the Apple X11 app, configure X11 to allow client > connections by typing into the xterm window... > > xhost +1.1.1.1 > > use the correct IP of the red hat box though > > as an aside, when i run java apps on my olde tyme linux box through X11 > into my ibook, it's faster then running them entirely on the ibook. funny. > > colin. > This will work, but keep in mind this is REALLY insecure.. better to use ssh. Open a terminal, and try the following: OSX% ssh -X redhat.host.name RH$ echo $DISPALY If you get something like ":10.0" then you are in business... its tunneled via ssh and you dont need to mess with xhost. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Apr 24 10:44:15 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... Message-ID: Is the ssh server installed, active, and not firewalled on the Red Hat boxes? If so, you can just use a ssh client on Mac boxes to connect and it _should_ display on the Mac box (unless the Mac implementation of X11 is strange or needs some "extra" configuration). Can any Mac OS X people using X11 confirm or deny this? >>> mjn@umn.edu 04/24/03 09:56AM >>> This is probably a simple question but I am having a hard time finding out any information because i don't think i really know what i should be looking for. We've got a couple of RedHat boxes in our shop and I am mainly using MacOS X for my day-to-day stuff. I'd like to be able to open x11 apps on our RedHat boxes and have those displays exported to my MacOS X workstation. Does anyone know if this is possible? I've got Apple's X11 app and we've got all of the X stuff installed on redhat but I don't really know how to start an app and export the display or even if it is possible to do to my OS X machine. Any ideas? Help is much appretiated. -- _______________________________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs =============================================== E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com _______________________________________________ "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Apr 24 11:31:22 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Is the ssh server installed, active, and > not firewalled on the Red Hat boxes? > > If so, you can just use a ssh client on > Mac boxes to connect and it _should_ > display on the Mac box (unless the Mac > implementation of X11 is strange or > needs some "extra" configuration). you are all thinking about it from the wrong end... MacOSX does not HAVE a native X11 implementation he needs XonX or XDarwin or something like that... Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Apr 24 11:41:27 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304241141.27745.list@slushpupie.com> On Thursday 24 April 2003 11:31 am, Munir Nassar wrote: > you are all thinking about it from the wrong end... > MacOSX does not HAVE a native X11 implementation > he needs XonX or XDarwin or something like that... He said he has the X11 app stuff installed... Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Thu Apr 24 11:44:49 2003 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... Message-ID: WRONG! X11 has a beta X11 package. Packaged by Apple. It isn't "native", i.e. packaged with the system (IT'S BETA), yet, but integrates very well with the rest of the system. And comes with a WM that has the look and feel of OS X. Very nice IMO. XonX and XDarwin are nice and all.... But Apples X11, even in beta, has been much more friendly and reliable than either of those. sim > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:31 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... > > > On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > > Is the ssh server installed, active, and > > not firewalled on the Red Hat boxes? > > > > If so, you can just use a ssh client on > > Mac boxes to connect and it _should_ > > display on the Mac box (unless the Mac > > implementation of X11 is strange or > > needs some "extra" configuration). > > you are all thinking about it from the wrong end... > > MacOSX does not HAVE a native X11 implementation > > he needs XonX or XDarwin or something like that... > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From colin at lookingawry.com Thu Apr 24 11:44:32 2003 From: colin at lookingawry.com (colin schaub) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18293.208.42.71.66.1051202672.squirrel@www.lookingawry.com> that's not entirely correct. XonX and XDarwin do exist, but apple recently released an official (albeit beta) X11 for MacOSX. you still need to "run" it, as it is a clickable application like the other two, but while running, the X server runs just like it does anywhere else. as long as X11 commands like xhost and others you wish to "know" about X11 and the like are run from the X11 xterm window and not a OSX terminal window, everything works just like it does in X11-unix-land. as far as i can tell. and yes, i do believe there is an ssh server on OSX, but it's not on by default. i think. my ibook isn't with me right now. c. > On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > >> Is the ssh server installed, active, and >> not firewalled on the Red Hat boxes? >> >> If so, you can just use a ssh client on >> Mac boxes to connect and it _should_ >> display on the Mac box (unless the Mac >> implementation of X11 is strange or >> needs some "extra" configuration). > > you are all thinking about it from the wrong end... > > MacOSX does not HAVE a native X11 implementation > > he needs XonX or XDarwin or something like that... > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Apr 24 12:01:18 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF4B@mail.temgweb.com> SSH is not enabled by default, but you can turn it on somewhere in the sys prefs. Like Jay Kline said, you can pipe the X11 session over SSH, when you do this though, make sure you pass ssh the -C option. This turns on compression and makes the session much more responsive, unless your box is abysmally slow. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: colin schaub [mailto:colin@lookingawry.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:45 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... > > > that's not entirely correct. XonX and XDarwin do exist, but > apple recently > released an official (albeit beta) X11 for MacOSX. you still > need to "run" > it, as it is a clickable application like the other two, but while > running, the X server runs just like it does anywhere else. > as long as X11 > commands like xhost and others you wish to "know" about X11 > and the like > are run from the X11 xterm window and not a OSX terminal window, > everything works just like it does in X11-unix-land. as far > as i can tell. > > and yes, i do believe there is an ssh server on OSX, but it's > not on by > default. i think. my ibook isn't with me right now. > > c. > > > On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > > >> Is the ssh server installed, active, and > >> not firewalled on the Red Hat boxes? > >> > >> If so, you can just use a ssh client on > >> Mac boxes to connect and it _should_ > >> display on the Mac box (unless the Mac > >> implementation of X11 is strange or > >> needs some "extra" configuration). > > > > you are all thinking about it from the wrong end... > > > > MacOSX does not HAVE a native X11 implementation > > > > he needs XonX or XDarwin or something like that... > > > > Munir Nassar > > RedConcepts.NET > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.org Thu Apr 24 12:42:12 2003 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tibetan monks & ipv6 Message-ID: <20030424124212.B28091@lemongecko.org> A friend sent me this. I think most people on this list aspire to be this enlightened... > Best Bash.org quote I've seen in a while... > > Some cool info: Tibeten monks, after twenty years or so of practise in > the Himalaya, control their brain stem - they can control their heart > beat, blood pressure etc. After thirty years they can connect to the > internet purely by meditation, setting TCP stacks in their neurons and > stuff. Right now I am chatting with a monk who is sitting naked in an > ice storm on his towel, his only possesion. He's using ipv6. Dan -- --- DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 ----- Dan Drake ------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: By default, the ssh connection to your Red Hat should forward X connections securely over the ssh link. You may be circumventing this security by setting the DISPLAY variable yourself. Check the DISPLAY variable after you use ssh to login: set | grep DISPLAY or: echo $DISPLAY and see what that says...it should be something like: localhost:10.0 or: 127.0.0.1:10.0 If that is correct, try to start something: xterm & and see if it displays on the Mac box. Good luck, Troy >>> erik@andersonfam.org 04/24/03 10:17AM >>> mjn wrote: > Does anyone know if this is possible? I've got Apple's X11 app and we've > got all of the X stuff installed on redhat but I don't really know how to > start an app and export the display or even if it is possible to do to my > OS X machine. > > Any ideas? Help is much appretiated. You should be able to do the following: 1) ssh into your redhat box from your OSX box. 2) Assumming that you use the bash shell, type export DISPLAY=192.168.0.1:0.0, replacing the IP address with the IP address of your OSX box. 3) At this point, if your OSX box is configured correctly and ready to accept X11 connections, you should be able to start an x program and it will send the X11 packets over to the host specified in your DISPLAY variable. -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Thu Apr 24 13:00:24 2003 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:36:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem References: <00bb01c30a78$f1332500$0b0b0b0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <3EA82638.2010203@stonel.com> More info would help. What OS's are running on workstations? Which network protocol is used, looks like Netgear understands TCP/IP,IPX/SPX and Netbeui? How are the print servers resolved - DNS or host file entries? What print driver software is used on workstations? Any changes in network configuration around time trouble started? I think any of these could be a potential problem. As far as a Linux print server, most any distro would do. If Win* clients, samba is fairly easy to setup and don't need to create special printer ports on Win* clients. Spooling and logging additional benefits. Bob Raymond Norton wrote: > We are using a few netgear 110ps at a school. Each workstation has > been set to print to a netgear port. It worked fine for a year. Now, > every few days all workstations stop printing to the ps. The only way > to resolve it, so far, is to create a new port. Once this is done > everyone is fine for a few days, and then the problem occurs again. > > Is there a (easy to understand and implement) Linux print server I can > set up to take place of the netgear boxes? Better yet, is there a > simple fix for this problem??? > > Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Thu Apr 24 13:48:01 2003 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... Message-ID: Specifically in the Sharing preferences. That is also where you can turn on FTP, web, SMB, printer sharing, appletalk etc... SSH is cleverly concealed behind the "Remote Login" toggle. It's also where you can start/stop the firewall. You should make sure you either open the port for X or stop the firewall for a remote X session to work without using SSH. With SSH, it shouldn't matter. sim > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:01 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] X11 and MacOS X... > > > SSH is not enabled by default, but you can turn it on > somewhere in the sys > prefs. Like Jay Kline said, you can pipe the X11 session > over SSH, when you > do this though, make sure you pass ssh the -C option. This turns on > compression and makes the session much more responsive, > unless your box is > abysmally slow. > > Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 24 15:23:06 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem In-Reply-To: <00bb01c30a78$f1332500$0b0b0b0a@DELL2> References: <00bb01c30a78$f1332500$0b0b0b0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <1051215786.14618.208.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Thu, 2003-04-24 at 10:48, Raymond Norton wrote: > We are using a few netgear 110ps at a school. Each workstation has > been set to print to a netgear port. It worked fine for a year. Now, > every few days all workstations stop printing to the ps. The only way > to resolve it, so far, is to create a new port. Once this is done > everyone is fine for a few days, and then the problem occurs again. > > Is there a (easy to understand and implement) Linux print server I can > set up to take place of the netgear boxes? Better yet, is there a > simple fix for this problem??? Sounds like you are getting queues to hang up somehow, and you're just creating new queues to get around the problem? You might want to look for some firmware updates to the box. If you feel like ditching the Netgear boxes (or at least putting something in front of them), CUPS is a fairly simple to use printing system. You should be able to print directly to the CUPS daemon if the client systems have new enough software. CUPS runs the Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) natively, so you don't need to push print jobs through Samba if the clients support the protocol (Win2k and XP should). Of course, there is extra stuff available for CUPS that allows you to use lpr/lpd too. I recently installed CUPS as a print server (you can just use it as the local print daemon too), and had a little difficulty because I had to allow access from the local network, but that was just a matter of editing a few lines at the end of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and restarting the daemon. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Never let school get in the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ way of your education. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am attaching the .config file as well. Inspite of having these errors when I boot, the kernel is working fine .Using this kernel I have developed boot and root floppies.So when I use the boot floppy after booting, a root floppy is inserted as soon as this is done the following error is encountered RAMDISK:compressed image found at block 0 Invalid compressed format(err=2) What is the reason for these errors and how do I overcome them. Any suggestions will be valuable sowmya smitha Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: testing.config Type: application/octet-stream Size: 43135 bytes Desc: testing.config Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030425/90e0e7bd/testing.obj From david at acz.org Fri Apr 25 01:20:20 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compilation and boot disk problem References: <200304250528.KAA27283@WS0005.indiatimes.com> Message-ID: <000a01c30af2$bf8bf610$0201a8c0@brinstar> sowmya_chakrapani writes: > make[2]: Leaving directory > `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/abi/svr4' Why are you trying to compile a 2.4.18 kernel? Get 2.4.20. 2.4.18 has known security holes. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 25 09:42:00 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compilation and boot disk problem In-Reply-To: <000a01c30af2$bf8bf610$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <200304250528.KAA27283@WS0005.indiatimes.com> <000a01c30af2$bf8bf610$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, David Phillips wrote: > Why are you trying to compile a 2.4.18 kernel? Get 2.4.20. 2.4.18 has > known security holes. So does 2.4.20.. need to apply the ptrace patch by hand until 2.4.21 is released. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 25 09:37:59 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compilation and boot disk problem In-Reply-To: <000a01c30af2$bf8bf610$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <200304250528.KAA27283@WS0005.indiatimes.com> <000a01c30af2$bf8bf610$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, David Phillips wrote: > Why are you trying to compile a 2.4.18 kernel? Get 2.4.20. 2.4.18 has > known security holes. So does 2.4.20.. need to apply the ptrace patch by hand until 2.4.21 is released. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Apr 25 10:59:19 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compilation and boot disk problem In-Reply-To: <200304250528.KAA27283@WS0005.indiatimes.com>; from sowmya_chakrapani@indiatimes.com on Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 11:32:25AM +0530 References: <200304250528.KAA27283@WS0005.indiatimes.com> Message-ID: <20030425105919.A1535@karl.iexposure.net> I'd suggest you work backward to a sane point. Remove or move kernel src dir and config file, reinstall or untar the kernel src, and rebuild. If that works, start adding your config changes and go from there. If it doesn't work, start looking at things outside the kernel(compiler,build scripts..). On my RH7.3 system(that comes with 2.4.18-3), I just went through the process: unpack make mrproper make oldconfig make dep make bzImage make modules make modules_install No problems. I get a include/linux/compile.h file generated. On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 11:32:25AM +0530, sowmya_chakrapani wrote: > Hi all, > > I have encountered two problems. > > 1.While compiling the kernel in an attempt to reduce its size after executing > make clean > make mrproper > cp the kernel image > make oldconfig > make dep > > while executing make modules the > following errors are encountered > > > sysinfo.c:11:27: linux/compile.h: No such file or > directory > sysinfo.c: In function `svr4_sysinfo': > sysinfo.c:85: `UTS_VERSION' undeclared (first use in > this function) > sysinfo.c:85: (Each undeclared identifier is reported > only once > sysinfo.c:85: for each function it appears in.) > make[2]: *** [sysinfo.o] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory > `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/abi/svr4' > make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_svr4] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory > `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/abi' > make: *** [_mod_abi] Error 2 > > > for make modules_install these errors are encountered > > make[2]: Entering directory > `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/abi/svr4' > mkdir -p > /lib/modules/2.4.18-3Mykernel17apr/kernel/abi/svr4/ > cp abi-svr4.o > /lib/modules/2.4.18-3Mykernel17apr/kernel/abi/svr4/ > cp: cannot stat `abi-svr4.o': No such file or > directory > make[2]: *** [_modinst__] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory > `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/abi/svr4' > make[1]: *** [_modinst_svr4] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory > `/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/abi' > make: *** [_modinst_abi] Error 2 > > How do we rectify these? > I am attaching the .config file as well. > > Inspite of having these errors when I boot, the kernel is working fine .Using this kernel I have developed boot and root floppies.So when I use the boot floppy after booting, a root floppy is inserted > as soon as this is done the following error is encountered > > RAMDISK:compressed image found at block 0 > Invalid compressed format(err=2) > > What is the reason for these errors and how do I overcome them. > Any suggestions will be valuable > > sowmya > smitha > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com > > Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com > > Bid for for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Apr 25 12:27:59 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem References: Message-ID: <00d701c30b50$07af3d00$53ae6742@DELL2> I set my redhat 8.0 box up with samba , and shared an hp deskjet 5550, using the recommended driver "hpijs". I can print just fine from the redhat box. I installed the proper driver on my XP laptop, and I can connect to the printer via the share \\IP address\hp5550. When I print I get a progress pop up that thinks everything printed fine, but the printer does not execute the job. I am not getting any errors after the job. Any ideas what to look for? Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Apr 25 13:32:12 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem In-Reply-To: <00d701c30b50$07af3d00$53ae6742@DELL2> References: <00d701c30b50$07af3d00$53ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <42202.63.137.56.228.1051295532.squirrel@dccmn.com> If your going through samba, check the samba logs in /var/log/samba/* Try to print to this printer with the lpr (or is it lp on Linux) command. If you can't print locally, you can't print with samba. Raymond Norton said: > I set my redhat 8.0 box up with samba , and shared an hp deskjet 5550, > using the recommended driver "hpijs". I can print just fine from the > redhat box. I installed the proper driver on my XP laptop, and I can > connect to the printer via the share \\IP address\hp5550. When I print I > get a progress pop up that thinks everything printed fine, but the > printer does not execute the job. I am not getting any errors after the > job. Any ideas what to look for? > > > > Raymond > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Apr 25 14:16:59 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem References: <00d701c30b50$07af3d00$53ae6742@DELL2> <42202.63.137.56.228.1051295532.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <003601c30b5f$41667c20$50c8c80a@DELL2> The printer is attached to the redhat box via usb, so it cannot be printed to by IP. The redhat box prints fine to it though. Nothing shows up in any samba logs. I have monitored connections to the printer via webmin/samba. I can see the laptop make the connection to the share just fine. Sounds like I am getting into samba newsgroup stuff. I was hoping to avoid another 100 messages a day in my inbox:) Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Apr 25 15:14:28 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem In-Reply-To: <003601c30b5f$41667c20$50c8c80a@DELL2> References: <00d701c30b50$07af3d00$53ae6742@DELL2> <42202.63.137.56.228.1051295532.squirrel@dccmn.com> <003601c30b5f$41667c20$50c8c80a@DELL2> Message-ID: <50448.63.137.56.228.1051301668.squirrel@dccmn.com> WHat driver is installed on your Windows box? I assume it's the one for that printer. Some printers, if you print to them without going through the driver, just silently ignore you. Do you get print jobs queues up on the Linux box when you print from the windows machine? Check this with lpq. The interface between samba and lpr is pretty simple, it just executes the lpr command in the smb.conf file. Raymond Norton said: > The printer is attached to the redhat box via usb, so it cannot be > printed to by IP. The redhat box prints fine to it though. > > Nothing shows up in any samba logs. I have monitored connections to the > printer via webmin/samba. I can see the laptop make the connection to > the share just fine. > > Sounds like I am getting into samba newsgroup stuff. I was hoping to > avoid another 100 messages a day in my inbox:) > > > Raymond > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Apr 25 15:25:14 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem In-Reply-To: <00d701c30b50$07af3d00$53ae6742@DELL2>; from admin@lctn.org on Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 12:27:59PM -0500 References: <00d701c30b50$07af3d00$53ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030425152513.A3684@karl.iexposure.net> Try setting up and sharing a raw print driver, a few notes here: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-9.html Let me know if you get it to work, I've got a HP USB inkjet too. On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 12:27:59PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I set my redhat 8.0 box up with samba , and shared an hp deskjet 5550, using > the recommended driver "hpijs". I can print just fine from the redhat box. > I installed the proper driver on my XP laptop, and I can connect to the > printer via the share \\IP address\hp5550. When I print I get a progress pop > up that thinks everything printed fine, but the printer does not execute the > job. I am not getting any errors after the job. Any ideas what to look for? > > > > Raymond > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Apr 25 15:41:13 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem In-Reply-To: <20030425152513.A3684@karl.iexposure.net>; from kbongers@infinetivity.com on Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 03:25:14PM -0500 References: <00d701c30b50$07af3d00$53ae6742@DELL2> <20030425152513.A3684@karl.iexposure.net> Message-ID: <20030425154113.A3890@karl.iexposure.net> RH7.3 printtool has a raw print driver selection. Note that gs/hpijs takes postscript as input, and is needed if you want to print from linux. I'd try setting up the raw alone, then try adding another as hpijs that you can print from linux with. On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 03:25:14PM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > Try setting up and sharing a raw print driver, a few notes here: > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-9.html > Let me know if you get it to work, I've got a HP USB inkjet too. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Apr 25 15:48:42 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem In-Reply-To: <1051215786.14618.208.camel@3po.thodt.net> References: <00bb01c30a78$f1332500$0b0b0b0a@DELL2> <1051215786.14618.208.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <20030425154842.167f76ec.sfertch@real-time.com> On 24 Apr 2003 15:23:06 -0500 Mike Hicks wrote: > If you feel like ditching the Netgear boxes (or at least putting > something in front of them), CUPS is a fairly simple to use printing > system. You should be able to print directly to the CUPS daemon if > the client systems have new enough software. CUPS runs the Internet > Printing Protocol (IPP) natively, so you don't need to push print jobs > through Samba if the clients support the protocol (Win2k and XP > should). Of course, there is extra stuff available for CUPS that > allows you to use lpr/lpd too. > > Apologies for the thread hijack, but it's related to what's above and this got me thinking. I want to push printing through a firewall, and I'm planning on using CUPS. What port(s) do I need to open up for it? I realize the security risks for it... -- Shawn "I'd be a poorer man if I'd never seen an eagle fly." - John Denver _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu Fri Apr 25 15:59:38 2003 From: thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu (Aaron Thompson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem In-Reply-To: <20030425154842.167f76ec.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <00bb01c30a78$f1332500$0b0b0b0a@DELL2> <1051215786.14618.208.camel@3po.thodt.net> <20030425154842.167f76ec.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030425205938.GD16001@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> I think it defaults to the IPP port: 631/tcp open ipp On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 03:48:42PM -0500, Shawn wrote: > On 24 Apr 2003 15:23:06 -0500 > Mike Hicks wrote: > > > If you feel like ditching the Netgear boxes (or at least putting > > something in front of them), CUPS is a fairly simple to use printing > > system. You should be able to print directly to the CUPS daemon if > > the client systems have new enough software. CUPS runs the Internet > > Printing Protocol (IPP) natively, so you don't need to push print jobs > > through Samba if the clients support the protocol (Win2k and XP > > should). Of course, there is extra stuff available for CUPS that > > allows you to use lpr/lpd too. > > > > > Apologies for the thread hijack, but it's related to what's above and this got me thinking. I want to push printing through a firewall, and I'm planning on using CUPS. What port(s) do I need to open up for it? > > I realize the security risks for it... > > > -- > Shawn > > "I'd be a poorer man if I'd never seen an eagle fly." - John Denver > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Aaron Thompson Unix Systems Administrator, College of Natural Science University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls, IA 50614 "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Apr 25 16:31:50 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem In-Reply-To: <20030425205938.GD16001@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> References: <00bb01c30a78$f1332500$0b0b0b0a@DELL2> <1051215786.14618.208.camel@3po.thodt.net> <20030425154842.167f76ec.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030425205938.GD16001@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> Message-ID: <56524.63.137.56.228.1051306310.squirrel@dccmn.com> If your opening up direct to the printer with JetDirect, it's 9100. Aaron Thompson said: > I think it defaults to the IPP port: > 631/tcp open ipp > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 03:48:42PM -0500, Shawn wrote: >> On 24 Apr 2003 15:23:06 -0500 >> Mike Hicks wrote: >> >> > If you feel like ditching the Netgear boxes (or at least putting >> something in front of them), CUPS is a fairly simple to use printing >> system. You should be able to print directly to the CUPS daemon if >> the client systems have new enough software. CUPS runs the Internet >> Printing Protocol (IPP) natively, so you don't need to push print >> jobs through Samba if the clients support the protocol (Win2k and XP >> should). Of course, there is extra stuff available for CUPS that >> allows you to use lpr/lpd too. >> > >> > >> Apologies for the thread hijack, but it's related to what's above and >> this got me thinking. I want to push printing through a firewall, and >> I'm planning on using CUPS. What port(s) do I need to open up for it? >> >> I realize the security risks for it... >> >> >> -- >> Shawn >> >> "I'd be a poorer man if I'd never seen an eagle fly." - John Denver >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Aaron Thompson Unix Systems Administrator, College of Natural Science > University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls, IA 50614 > > "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! > I'll ask about Exchange Server next. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Apr 25 22:14:49 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bizarre printing problem In-Reply-To: <56524.63.137.56.228.1051306310.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <00bb01c30a78$f1332500$0b0b0b0a@DELL2> <1051215786.14618.208.camel@3po.thodt.net> <20030425154842.167f76ec.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030425205938.GD16001@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> <56524.63.137.56.228.1051306310.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20030425221449.2ff1238f.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:31:50 -0500 (CDT) "Wayne Johnson" wrote: > If your opening up direct to the printer with JetDirect, it's 9100. > > Aaron Thompson said: > > I think it defaults to the IPP port: > > 631/tcp open ipp > > Thanks, I'm going to a JetDirect printer, so I'll have to use 9100. Thanks agian. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Sat Apr 26 10:01:32 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to reset id number in mysql database Message-ID: <000c01c30c04$b9ae5b80$0300a8c0@DELL2> I set up a database and did a bunch of testing. The id field is set to auto increment. I need to reset it, so it starts with id "1" . I tried to do it through phpMyAdmin, but I am not seeing how to do it. Any ideas how to do this? Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030426/1062a378/attachment.htm From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Apr 26 12:21:07 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to reset id number in mysql database In-Reply-To: <000c01c30c04$b9ae5b80$0300a8c0@DELL2> References: <000c01c30c04$b9ae5b80$0300a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030426172107.GA2213@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 10:01:32AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I set up a database and did a bunch of testing. The id field is set to > auto increment. I need to reset it, so it starts with id "1" . I tried > to do it through phpMyAdmin, but I am not seeing how to do it. Any ideas > how to do this? > If you delete all the entries from the table, your next insert will start with id "1". -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Sat Apr 26 13:54:10 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to reset id number in mysql database In-Reply-To: <20030426172107.GA2213@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20030426172107.GA2213@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <2829.66.103.164.4.1051383250.squirrel@lctn.org> > If you delete all the entries from the table, your next insert > will start with id "1". I thought that too. I had 39 entries. Deleted 38. Changed the remaining id to "1", but the next entry had a number 0f "40" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Sat Apr 26 13:31:50 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can linux save my Windows machine? HELP! Message-ID: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> Hello, I have an NT machine that will no longer boot (long story) but I'd like to get onto the drive and retrieve a few files I haven't backed up before blowing everything away and reinstalling. The problem I have is that my NT box has its drive formatted as NTFS so I can't just use a DOS boot disk to get in there. Here's my question, can I build a linux install that will fit on a floppy with NTFS support and a driver for my 3Com fastether xl card (so I can connect to another box and transfer said files off)? Which distro(s) would work well for this? Are there any HOWTOs you could point me to? Thanks for all your help, Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Apr 26 14:02:35 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to reset id number in mysql database In-Reply-To: <2829.66.103.164.4.1051383250.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <20030426172107.GA2213@mail.el-swifto.com> <2829.66.103.164.4.1051383250.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <20030426190235.GA4469@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 01:54:10PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > If you delete all the entries from the table, your next insert > > will start with id "1". > > I thought that too. I had 39 entries. Deleted 38. Changed the remaining id > to "1", but the next entry had a number 0f "40" > Yes, that's the behavior I see too. [a little googling happens] OK, try "set insert_id = 2;", this works for me. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Apr 26 14:08:58 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can linux save my Windows machine? HELP! In-Reply-To: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> References: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20030426190858.GA4930@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 01:31:50PM -0500, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Hello, > I have an NT machine that will no longer boot (long story) but I'd like > to get onto the drive and retrieve a few files I haven't backed up > before blowing everything away and reinstalling. [snip] Instead of building a custom boot floppy, why not extract the hard drive and plug it into a functioning NT or linux machine? Then you can mount whatever partition and read the files off. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Apr 26 14:17:30 2003 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? Message-ID: <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> OK, I did something ... less than brilliant. I set up Mandrake on a Compaq laptop. Everything's working fine. However, I have recently (like, Thursday?) realized that I've forgotten the root password. This is not currently a high-priority problem, but will become more so as time goes on. It boots from CD-ROM very nicely - any recommendations for fixing this? IIRC, I turned on shadow passwords - I assume I could boot from removeable media, go in and delete the password from /etc/shadow, reboot, log in as root, and change the password? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Sat Apr 26 13:56:39 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can linux save my Windows machine? HELP! References: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> <20030426190858.GA4930@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3EAAD667.4B0C6A3A@ppdonline.com> > > Instead of building a custom boot floppy, why not extract the > hard drive and plug it into a functioning NT or linux machine? > Then you can mount whatever partition and read the files off. This is the only SCSI machine I have so I can't just dump the drive elsewhere, I suppose I could move the card and drive over but I'd rather build a linux floppy than do that. Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sat Apr 26 14:36:57 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New User Group: tcWebDev Message-ID: <20030426143657.A14895@thinkunix.net> folks, there's a new user group in town for all your web development needs/questions. http://www.tcwebdev.org/ official announcement follows: ===== Pinney Colton suggested creating a new group, tcWebDev for cross-pollinating the local php group with other local developers and discussing a wide range of web-related topics. The site and list are up now, and all we're missing is members! A web programming language is just a small part of a web solution, and there are a host of other topics that deserve some attention. The focus of this group will be platform-agnostic discussions of general web development problems and solutions for local developers. Topics might include: * Hosting and monitoring * FTP/WebDAV and other server questions * JavaScript, CSS and HTML questions or debugging * Graphic design * Questions on development software and pre-built web applications * Site checks - get feedback on your new site or one in development * Anything else! As long as the thread has something to do with web development, it won't be off topic. We ask that you keep discussions helpful, affirming, and open-minded; keeping platform wars to a minimum and petty disputes offlist. We hope that you will find it to be a valuable resource for beginners and veterans alike. please visit http://www.tcwebdev.org/ for more information and to subscribe to the list. Also, please forward this to any local developers or user groups you think might benefit from this type of resource. The list and site are sponsored by pajunas interactive, so please keep us in mind when you need hosting :) Thanks a lot and have a great day! Allie Micka pajunas interactive, inc. http://pajunas.com ========== _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Sat Apr 26 14:52:09 2003 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> Message-ID: Boot into single user mode, reset the password. Instructions for booting into single user mode via grub and lilo can be found at: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/s1-rescuemode-booting-single.html Jeff On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Scott Raun wrote: > OK, I did something ... less than brilliant. > > I set up Mandrake on a Compaq laptop. Everything's working fine. > However, I have recently (like, Thursday?) realized that I've > forgotten the root password. This is not currently a high-priority > problem, but will become more so as time goes on. > > It boots from CD-ROM very nicely - any recommendations for fixing > this? > > IIRC, I turned on shadow passwords - I assume I could boot from > removeable media, go in and delete the password from /etc/shadow, > reboot, log in as root, and change the password? > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Sat Apr 26 15:29:55 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can linux save my Windows machine? HELP! In-Reply-To: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> References: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <3EAAEC43.3020204@lorenburlingame.com> Ben Bargabus wrote: >Hello, >I have an NT machine that will no longer boot (long story) but I'd like >to get onto the drive and retrieve a few files I haven't backed up >before blowing everything away and reinstalling. The problem I have is >that my NT box has its drive formatted as NTFS so I can't just use a DOS >boot disk to get in there. Here's my question, can I build a linux >install that will fit on a floppy with NTFS support and a driver for my >3Com fastether xl card (so I can connect to another box and transfer >said files off)? Which distro(s) would work well for this? Are there >any HOWTOs you could point me to? >Thanks for all your help, >Ben. > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > I think Tom's Root/Boot is just the thing the doctor ordered. either that or you could try the linuxcare bootable business disk. and as a matter of fact you could also just use ntfsdos to mount your hard drive from a dos environment and copy your files off to another drive. sorry for not giving you some direct linkage but I am sort of pressed for time. A google search will find you everything you need though. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Apr 26 15:41:45 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: References: <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <16042.61193.597480.366421@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Note this doesn't always work. Many times single user mode still asks for the root password. Booting off a bootdisk/cd and then erasing the password works nicely. I find tomsrtbt, http://www.toms.net, to be a very useful compact rescue disk. If you want a few more tools, knoppix seems to be the favorite. >>>>> "j" == jeffr writes: j> Boot into single user mode, reset the password. j> Instructions for booting into single user mode via grub and lilo can be j> found at: j> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/s1-rescuemode-booting-single.html j> Jeff j> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Scott Raun wrote: >> OK, I did something ... less than brilliant. >> >> I set up Mandrake on a Compaq laptop. Everything's working fine. >> However, I have recently (like, Thursday?) realized that I've >> forgotten the root password. This is not currently a high-priority >> problem, but will become more so as time goes on. >> >> It boots from CD-ROM very nicely - any recommendations for fixing >> this? >> >> IIRC, I turned on shadow passwords - I assume I could boot from >> removeable media, go in and delete the password from /etc/shadow, >> reboot, log in as root, and change the password? >> >> j> _______________________________________________ j> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota j> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org j> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Sat Apr 26 15:55:34 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can linux save my Windows machine? HELP! In-Reply-To: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> References: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <1051390534.8606.9.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Yes it can. Download and burn this image to cd (it's only 25M). http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/trinux/trinux-80rc2-2.4.5.iso Pop the CD into the machine and boot. Assuming you can boot from CD, you'll get a bash shell prompt running as root. Any drives that were detected will be listed on / (e.g. /hda1 /hdb /hdc). Mount the CD and load any aditional packages that you will need (network card driver, ext3, samba, nfs, pcmcia, etc...) and copy your files off. Good luck On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 13:31, Ben Bargabus wrote: > Hello, > I have an NT machine that will no longer boot (long story) but I'd like > to get onto the drive and retrieve a few files I haven't backed up > before blowing everything away and reinstalling. The problem I have is > that my NT box has its drive formatted as NTFS so I can't just use a DOS > boot disk to get in there. Here's my question, can I build a linux > install that will fit on a floppy with NTFS support and a driver for my > 3Com fastether xl card (so I can connect to another box and transfer > said files off)? Which distro(s) would work well for this? Are there > any HOWTOs you could point me to? > Thanks for all your help, > Ben. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Sat Apr 26 16:01:11 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: <16042.61193.597480.366421@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> <16042.61193.597480.366421@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <1051390870.8612.15.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> I cast my vote for Trinux (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/trinux/trinux-80rc2-2.4.5.iso) It fits on a business card sized CD (~25M) and comes with a lot of networking tools. And if you don't want to use this CD, you can easily make your own, or use a floppy to boot and grab packages off a CD. On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 15:41, Jon Schewe wrote: > Note this doesn't always work. Many times single user mode still asks for > the root password. Booting off a bootdisk/cd and then erasing the password > works nicely. I find tomsrtbt, http://www.toms.net, to be a very useful > compact rescue disk. If you want a few more tools, knoppix seems to be the > favorite. > > >>>>> "j" == jeffr writes: > > j> Boot into single user mode, reset the password. > > j> Instructions for booting into single user mode via grub and lilo can be > j> found at: > > j> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/s1-rescuemode-booting-single.html > > j> Jeff > > > j> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Scott Raun wrote: > > >> OK, I did something ... less than brilliant. > >> > >> I set up Mandrake on a Compaq laptop. Everything's working fine. > >> However, I have recently (like, Thursday?) realized that I've > >> forgotten the root password. This is not currently a high-priority > >> problem, but will become more so as time goes on. > >> > >> It boots from CD-ROM very nicely - any recommendations for fixing > >> this? > >> > >> IIRC, I turned on shadow passwords - I assume I could boot from > >> removeable media, go in and delete the password from /etc/shadow, > >> reboot, log in as root, and change the password? > >> > >> > > > j> _______________________________________________ > j> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > j> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > j> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Sat Apr 26 16:31:50 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can linux save my Windows machine? HELP! References: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> <3EAAEC43.3020204@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <3EAAFAC6.5EF69A0@ppdonline.com> Tom's got me into my system again and I've successfully mounted the drive I want to save files from. Now I want to mount a Windows Share so that I can copy the files I want to save across to another machine. Do I need to use the Samba client to do this or can I make use of 'mount -t nfs' to make this happen? Is there a good HOWTO I could read about this? Thanks again, Ben (almost there). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Sat Apr 26 16:32:55 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can linux save my Windows machine? HELP! References: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> <3EAAEC43.3020204@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <3EAAFB07.47419E7D@ppdonline.com> Sorry, I meant for that to go to the whole group. Please ignore my stupidity. Ben. Loren Burlingame wrote: > > Ben Bargabus wrote: > > >Hello, > >I have an NT machine that will no longer boot (long story) but I'd like > >to get onto the drive and retrieve a few files I haven't backed up > >before blowing everything away and reinstalling. The problem I have is > >that my NT box has its drive formatted as NTFS so I can't just use a DOS > >boot disk to get in there. Here's my question, can I build a linux > >install that will fit on a floppy with NTFS support and a driver for my > >3Com fastether xl card (so I can connect to another box and transfer > >said files off)? Which distro(s) would work well for this? Are there > >any HOWTOs you could point me to? > >Thanks for all your help, > >Ben. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > I think Tom's Root/Boot is just the thing the doctor ordered. > > either that or you could try the linuxcare bootable business disk. > > and as a matter of fact you could also just use ntfsdos to mount your > hard drive from a dos environment and copy your files off to another drive. > > sorry for not giving you some direct linkage but I am sort of pressed > for time. A google search will find you everything you need though. > > LB > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben_b at ppdonline.com Sat Apr 26 16:36:30 2003 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can linux save my Windows machine? HELP! References: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> <3EAAEC43.3020204@lorenburlingame.com> <3EAAFB07.47419E7D@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <3EAAFBDE.93671879@ppdonline.com> Ben Bargabus wrote: > > Sorry, I meant for that to go to the whole group. Please ignore my > stupidity. > Ben. Argh!!! Believe it or not I can use email properly. I think fighting with Windows is lowering my IQ. Ben (can't wait for this to be over). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Apr 26 17:16:02 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can linux save my Windows machine? HELP! In-Reply-To: <3EAAFAC6.5EF69A0@ppdonline.com> References: <3EAAD096.A3EF4756@ppdonline.com> <3EAAEC43.3020204@lorenburlingame.com> <3EAAFAC6.5EF69A0@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <1612.192.1.1.248.1051395362.squirrel@dccmn.com> Assuming Tom's has samba included, you should simply be able to do a smbclient to transfer the files. You could also use ftp or maybe even e-mail. Ben Bargabus said: > Tom's got me into my system again and I've successfully mounted the > drive I want to save files from. Now I want to mount a Windows Share so > that I can copy the files I want to save across to another machine. Do > I need to use the Samba client to do this or can I make use of 'mount -t > nfs' to make this happen? Is there a good HOWTO I could read about > this? > Thanks again, > Ben (almost there). > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Sat Apr 26 17:16:32 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to reset id number in mysql database In-Reply-To: <20030426172107.GA2213@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <000c01c30c04$b9ae5b80$0300a8c0@DELL2> <20030426172107.GA2213@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <1051395392.3eab0540f2866@webmail.andersonfam.org> Quoting "John J. Trammell" : > If you delete all the entries from the table, your next insert > will start with id "1". I don't think this is true...I actually tried that once, and it kept incrementing from where it left off... -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Apr 26 17:36:41 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to reset id number in mysql database In-Reply-To: <1051395392.3eab0540f2866@webmail.andersonfam.org> References: <000c01c30c04$b9ae5b80$0300a8c0@DELL2> <20030426172107.GA2213@mail.el-swifto.com> <1051395392.3eab0540f2866@webmail.andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20030426223641.GA9523@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 05:16:32PM -0500, Erik V. Anderson wrote: > Quoting "John J. Trammell" : > > If you delete all the entries from the table, your next insert > > will start with id "1". > > I don't think this is true...I actually tried that once, and it kept > incrementing from where it left off... > It could be one of those things that varies from table type to table type. I just tried it with a MyISAM table, mysql 3.23.49 (I know, I'm behind :), and that's how it worked. I also see an interesting thing--a delete statement like "delete from foo where id > 0" does *not* reset the counter, and the next insert "remembers" the next increment value. But if you do a "delete from foo", the counter is reset. This is odd to me, because both deletes remove all records from the table. There must be something special about a delete without a "where". Perhaps that is what you saw? One more thing--the MySQL documentation mentions that the last_insert value can be tweaked via the ALTER TABLE... command. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Sat Apr 26 06:04:16 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> References: <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <1391.192.168.2.244.1051355056.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I've used Boot Everywhere Linux with pleasing results. It's a bootable floppy that doesn't have a ton of features, but it's quick. Just rawrite or dd the image onto a floppy. http://boot.everywhere.dk/ > OK, I did something ... less than brilliant. > > I set up Mandrake on a Compaq laptop. Everything's working fine. > However, I have recently (like, Thursday?) realized that I've > forgotten the root password. This is not currently a high-priority > problem, but will become more so as time goes on. > > It boots from CD-ROM very nicely - any recommendations for fixing > this? > > IIRC, I turned on shadow passwords - I assume I could boot from > removeable media, go in and delete the password from /etc/shadow, > reboot, log in as root, and change the password? > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Sat Apr 26 06:07:40 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TimeZone and Date::Manip Message-ID: <1400.192.168.2.244.1051355260.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I've google'd, I've --help'ed, and I've man'ed. I'm not finding what I need, so I was hoping somebody on the list would toss me a clue. While I'm running a home-brew perl script, the Date::Manip Perl module is telling me the following error message: ERROR: Date::Manip unable to determine TimeZone. Date::Manip::Date_TimeZone called at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/Date/Manip.pm line 629 Date::Manip::Date_Init() called at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/Date/Manip.pm line 1365 Date::Manip::ParseDate('13 days') called at ./program-name.pl line 21 Here's the output of `date`: # date Sat Apr 26 16:46:08 GMT-6 2003 I've had this same program running in the past. While that timezone doesn't appear to be the correct one, the system does seem to have a timezone set somewhere. What do I need to do to get Date::Manip to work? Thanks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Apr 26 19:10:11 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TimeZone and Date::Manip In-Reply-To: <1400.192.168.2.244.1051355260.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <1400.192.168.2.244.1051355260.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20030427001011.GA18561@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 05:07:40PM +0600, Mark Courtney wrote: > I've google'd, I've --help'ed, and I've man'ed. > Did you find: http://search.cpan.org/src/SBECK/DateManip-5.40/INSTALL ? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Sun Apr 27 00:44:54 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My worst fears, no DSL at new house In-Reply-To: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 10:54:09AM -0500 References: <200304211054.09684.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030427004454.B11608@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 10:54:09AM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > As I'd feared, DSL is not available at our new house. ... > What can I do? Maybe try satellite: http://be.direcway.com/ "Broadband Anywhere costs slightly more than Cable or DSL, but far less than a T-1" (http://www.skycasters.com/pricing-page.htm). -- Joel Schneider IYXQA - www.yanxinqigong.net joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Sun Apr 27 01:39:23 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 12:53:52PM -0500 References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030427013923.C11608@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 12:53:52PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Thursday 24 April 2003 11:14 am, Matt Thoren wrote: > > Why not Java? > > Personally, java swing sucks. Java has a terrible UI. There are also > requirements on this current project that prevent usage of Java. $0.02: Standard Widget Toolkit (SWT) [1] is an alternative Java UI toolkit that offers advantages over Swing. SWT was developed as a component of the open-source Eclipse IDE [2], and has helped make it possible to port the Eclipse IDE to multiple GUI environments, including Windows 98/ME/2000/XP, Linux (x86/Motif), Linux (x86/GTK 2), Solaris 8 (SPARC/Motif), Mac OSX (Mac/Carbon), etc. [3]. [1]http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/%7Echeckout%7E/platform-swt-home/main.html [2]http://www.eclipse.org/ [3]http://download.eclipse.org/downloads/drops/R-2.1-200303272130/index.php -- Joel Schneider IYXQA - www.yanxinqigong.net joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From imputerate at luser.us Sun Apr 27 20:37:30 2003 From: imputerate at luser.us (peter) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] basic linux In-Reply-To: <20030428013053.M81015@luser.us> References: <200304280026.h3S0QwkP012980@ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com> <20030428013053.M81015@luser.us> Message-ID: <20030428013730.M53292@luser.us> mysql config: /usr/bin/ contains lots of files, including mysql files [many with opaque names]; the permissions on the mysql files must be changed to root/mysql; since "ls -l" yields the date of mysql's install: root@gent bin # ls -l mysql - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 55464 Mar 31 02:03 mysql and root@gent bin # ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" culls the names of the mysql files from /usr/bin [they all have 02:03 or 02:04 as the times on Mar 31], i created a special "subdirectory" root@gent bin # mkdir /tmp/mysql and assumed that "ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" | cp /tmp/mysql/" would copy the SELECTED FILES, themselves, from the directory /usr/bin/ to the directory /tmp/mysql/ so that i could, then, do this: root@gent bin # cd /tmp/mysql and root@gent mysql # ls -1 and have "ls -1" on the special subdirectory yield a file containing just a vertical list of file names; this is the simple list i want to edit for my chown script; SO, IS THERE A WAY TO USE THE OUTPUT OF ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" AS THE INPUT FOR A COMMAND WHICH WOULD COPY THE FILES? or, is there another way to get my list? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Sun Apr 27 22:19:11 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] basic linux In-Reply-To: <20030428013730.M53292@luser.us> References: <200304280026.h3S0QwkP012980@ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com> <20030428013053.M81015@luser.us> <20030428013730.M53292@luser.us> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, peter wrote: > and assumed that "ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" | cp /tmp/mysql/" You COULD cp `ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" | cut -c57-` /tmp/mysql or, as long as you've gotten that far, chown root:mysql `ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" | cut -c57-` There ought to be a find command to find an exact time, but I couldn't find one. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Sun Apr 27 23:51:40 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FDF56@mail.temgweb.com> Note that you can just give lilo the init=/bin/sh option to get in with no password. At the prompt, type: linux init=/bin/sh You might see some error messages, this is fine. Once you have booted, you'll likely need to remount your root partition as read/write as it will be mounted as read only. Just do something like: mount /dev/hda2 / -o remount,rw change your password using passwd, type "sync" a couple of times and type reboot. You should be good to go. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Courtney [mailto:MarkCourtney@MarkCourtney.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 6:04 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? > > > I've used Boot Everywhere Linux with pleasing results. It's > a bootable > floppy that doesn't have a ton of features, but it's quick. > Just rawrite or > dd the image onto a floppy. > > http://boot.everywhere.dk/ > > > > OK, I did something ... less than brilliant. > > > > I set up Mandrake on a Compaq laptop. Everything's working fine. > > However, I have recently (like, Thursday?) realized that I've > > forgotten the root password. This is not currently a high-priority > > problem, but will become more so as time goes on. > > > > It boots from CD-ROM very nicely - any recommendations for fixing > > this? > > > > IIRC, I turned on shadow passwords - I assume I could boot from > > removeable media, go in and delete the password from /etc/shadow, > > reboot, log in as root, and change the password? > > > > -- > > Scott Raun > > sraun@fireopal.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Apr 28 01:12:24 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: <16042.61193.597480.366421@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> <16042.61193.597480.366421@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <20030428061224.GH4171@autonomous.tv> On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 03:41:45PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: >Note this doesn't always work. Many times single user mode still asks for >the root password. Booting off a bootdisk/cd and then erasing the password >works nicely. I find tomsrtbt, http://www.toms.net, to be a very useful >compact rescue disk. If you want a few more tools, knoppix seems to be the >favorite. www.toms.net also offers a bootable cd if your boxen have given up on those *cough*obnoxious*cough* floppies. I have not personally tried this, but come on its tomsrtbt ;) http://www.tux.org/pub/distributions/tinylinux/tomsrtbt/tomsrtbt-2.0.103.ElTorito.288.img.bz2 There are a ton of bootable linux cd's. I downoaded the knoppix, but I gave it to the neighbor kid before I tried it. (I'll have to add that to my make-believe todo list.) I often used the bbc http://www.lnx-bbc.org/http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ to solve 'issues'. Real-Time has a rescue disk as well which I have used a few times. I believe it is based on LinuxCare http://www.linuxcare.com/ -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030428/69daacd7/attachment.pgp From hackel at walkingfish.com Mon Apr 28 01:25:45 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> References: <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <1051511144.28130.4.camel@hackel.hn.org> One word: Knoppix It's one of the best distros out there--a full Debian-based system on CD. Can be used for rescue or as a complete system. www.knoppix.de -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Apr 28 02:16:59 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to reset id number in mysql database References: <000c01c30c04$b9ae5b80$0300a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <00b201c30d56$288e7880$0201a8c0@brinstar> Raymond Norton writes: > I set up a database and did a bunch of testing. The id field is set > to auto increment. I need to reset it, so it starts with id "1" . I > tried to do it through phpMyAdmin, but I am not seeing how to do it. > Any ideas how to do this? TRUNCATE TABLE table_name; -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Mon Apr 28 02:19:15 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: <1051511144.28130.4.camel@hackel.hn.org> References: <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> <1051511144.28130.4.camel@hackel.hn.org> Message-ID: <3EACD5F3.2070703@gac.edu> knoppix and bbc both work well. Knoppix will, as I remember, do a better job of detecting and mounting drives. Either way, it's pretty straightforward. BBC is quicker to boot than knoppix if that makes a difference to you. justin Ryan Hayle wrote: > One word: Knoppix > > It's one of the best distros out there--a full Debian-based system on > CD. Can be used for rescue or as a complete system. > > www.knoppix.de > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Mon Apr 28 07:26:14 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] basic linux In-Reply-To: References: <200304280026.h3S0QwkP012980@ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com> <20030428013730.M53292@luser.us> Message-ID: <200304280726.16309.list@slushpupie.com> On Sunday 27 April 2003 10:19 pm, Gerry wrote: > On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, peter wrote: > > and assumed that "ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" | cp /tmp/mysql/" > > You COULD > cp `ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" | cut -c57-` /tmp/mysql > or, as long as you've gotten that far, > chown root:mysql `ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" | cut -c57-` > > There ought to be a find command to find an exact time, but I couldn't find > one. look up the find command First, make sure the command works by seeing what it prints: find /usr/bin -maxdepth 1 -daystart -ctime 28 -print Then change the owner find /usr/bin -maxdepth 1 -daystart -ctime 28 -exec chown root.mysql \{\} \; Another good option would be to look at xargs if you have the arguments on stdout. -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mthoren at mttcc.com Mon Apr 28 09:01:57 2003 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030427013923.C11608@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <3EAD3455.6020308@mttcc.com> Java swing is NOT a terrible UI. It is easy to use and deploy. I wrote an app one-time and deployed it on Compaq Tru64, OpenVMS, NT/2000, Solaris and on Linux without modification. The JTable class alone is enough of a reason to use swing. It is very easy to create a front end to a database with JDBC. Finding people to maintain and support a deployed app is easy as most college level courses include java. Java is easy to use, lots of documentation and examples, easy to deploy, easy to maintain. That is why it is popular. This is why I suggest to my clients -- and many of my clients have this in place already -- that all new code be written in Java and any migration should be done to Java. Matt Thoren mthoren@mttcc.com Joel Schneider wrote: >On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 12:53:52PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > >>On Thursday 24 April 2003 11:14 am, Matt Thoren wrote: >> >> >>>Why not Java? >>> >>> >>Personally, java swing sucks. Java has a terrible UI. There are also >>requirements on this current project that prevent usage of Java. >> >> > >$0.02: Standard Widget Toolkit (SWT) [1] is an alternative Java UI >toolkit that offers advantages over Swing. SWT was developed as a >component of the open-source Eclipse IDE [2], and has helped make it >possible to port the Eclipse IDE to multiple GUI environments, including >Windows 98/ME/2000/XP, Linux (x86/Motif), Linux (x86/GTK 2), Solaris 8 >(SPARC/Motif), Mac OSX (Mac/Carbon), etc. [3]. > >[1]http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/%7Echeckout%7E/platform-swt-home/main.html >[2]http://www.eclipse.org/ >[3]http://download.eclipse.org/downloads/drops/R-2.1-200303272130/index.php > > > -- -- Matt Thoren MTT Computer Consulting Inc. mthoren@mttcc.com http://www.mttcc.com 612-743-8773 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030428/6655aa5c/attachment.htm From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Apr 28 09:19:40 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? Message-ID: I have the common cold. Does anyone have some Java? I hear it cures everything... ;-) >>> mthoren@mttcc.com 04/28/03 09:01AM >>> Java is easy to use, lots of documentation and examples, easy to deploy, easy to maintain. That is why it is popular. This is why I suggest to my clients -- and many of my clients have this in place already -- that all new code be written in Java and any migration should be done to Java. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Mon Apr 28 10:29:57 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde program switching Message-ID: <3EAD48F5.40805@gac.edu> suppose I have bunch of windows open in kde and I'd like to switch to the already-open konsole using the keyboard. Is there any way I can assign a shortcut or do some other keyboard thing to restore the konsole (sort of like emacs' buffer switching (\C-xb buffer-name))? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Apr 28 11:13:51 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde program switching In-Reply-To: <3EAD48F5.40805@gac.edu> References: <3EAD48F5.40805@gac.edu> Message-ID: <200304281113.51468.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Monday 28 April 2003 10:29 am, Justin Haaheim wrote: > suppose I have bunch of windows open in kde and I'd like to switch to > the already-open konsole using the keyboard. Is there any way I can > assign a shortcut or do some other keyboard thing to restore the konsole > (sort of like emacs' buffer switching (\C-xb buffer-name))? Alt-Tab and cycle through the open windows. If on different desktop, the Ctrl-F1/F2/F3/F4, etc to get to correct desktop. Or were you thinking of a hot key that would take you to that konsole? -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Mon Apr 28 11:41:35 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde program switching In-Reply-To: <200304281113.51468.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <3EAD48F5.40805@gac.edu> <200304281113.51468.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <3EAD59BF.5070007@gac.edu> I was thinking of a hot-key sort of thing. I have it organized now where konsole is on desktop 4, emacs on 5, mail on 3, etc. etc., but I don't like that cause when I open windows with the konsole or when I'm working in emacs and go to the web I get windows cluttering all of my desktops. I'd like to be able to have everything on one desktop and just be able to hit a couple keys to bring up the konsole. justin James Spinti wrote: > On Monday 28 April 2003 10:29 am, Justin Haaheim wrote: > >>suppose I have bunch of windows open in kde and I'd like to switch to >>the already-open konsole using the keyboard. Is there any way I can >>assign a shortcut or do some other keyboard thing to restore the konsole >>(sort of like emacs' buffer switching (\C-xb buffer-name))? > > > Alt-Tab and cycle through the open windows. If on different desktop, the > Ctrl-F1/F2/F3/F4, etc to get to correct desktop. Or were you thinking of > a hot key that would take you to that konsole? > > -- > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist dot com > 952-368-3278 ext 396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Mon Apr 28 11:51:28 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] basic linux In-Reply-To: <200304280726.16309.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20030428114426.T26201-100000@tcfreenet.org> Jay, (or anyone else for that matter) Is there a way to make the find command find a file with an exact time? Your example might work in this specific instance iff the only files with that date (not time) are the mysql files but sometimes I want to find the ones with an exact time. I usually kludge some cut line, but that seems tacky. There aught to be a more elegant way of doing it. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Jay Kline wrote: > On Sunday 27 April 2003 10:19 pm, Gerry wrote: > > You COULD > > cp `ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" | cut -c57-` /tmp/mysql > > or, as long as you've gotten that far, > > chown root:mysql `ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" | cut -c57-` > > > > There ought to be a find command to find an exact time, but I couldn't find > > one. > > look up the find command > First, make sure the command works by seeing what it prints: > find /usr/bin -maxdepth 1 -daystart -ctime 28 -print > Then change the owner > find /usr/bin -maxdepth 1 -daystart -ctime 28 -exec chown root.mysql \{\} \; > > Another good option would be to look at xargs if you have the arguments on > stdout. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Apr 28 12:46:47 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] basic linux In-Reply-To: <20030428114426.T26201-100000@tcfreenet.org> References: <200304280726.16309.list@slushpupie.com> <20030428114426.T26201-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20030428124647.A15643@baker.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 11:51:28AM -0500, Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > Jay, (or anyone else for that matter) > Is there a way to make the find command find a file with an exact > time? Yes, find will do that. The easiest way to do that is probably with "find -cmin". It tests for the creation time of the file in minutes. find -cmin 100 # find files from exactly 100 minutes ago find -cmin -100 # find files from less than 100 minutes ago find -cmin +100 # find files from more than 100 minutes ago Depending on the situation, it might be somewhat unwieldy to use exact times - I'd probably use upper and lower bounds. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Apr 28 12:50:04 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: <3EACD5F3.2070703@gac.edu> References: <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> <1051511144.28130.4.camel@hackel.hn.org> <3EACD5F3.2070703@gac.edu> Message-ID: <20030428175004.GI4171@autonomous.tv> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 02:19:15AM -0500, Justin Haaheim wrote: >knoppix and bbc both work well. Knoppix will, as I remember, do a >better job of detecting and mounting drives. Either way, it's pretty >straightforward. BBC is quicker to boot than knoppix if that makes a >difference to you. I would consider knoppix more of a 'demo' linux than a rescue cd. It can certainly be used as a rescue cd. I think most will agree that you need really _need_ kde to perform any rescue tasks. When I need a rescue CD I, personally, don't wan't to wait for kde to load, from a CD no less. just my $0.02 > >justin > > >Ryan Hayle wrote: >>One word: Knoppix >> >>It's one of the best distros out there--a full Debian-based system on >>CD. Can be used for rescue or as a complete system. >ds >>www.knoppix.de -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So what you are looking for is a range that includes the whole day.. You might try using multiple -ctime tags (in accordance with other operators) something like `find -ctime +3 -and -ctime -4` (havnt tested it.. try for yourself) Jay > Jay, (or anyone else for that matter) > Is there a way to make the find command find a file with an exact > time? > Your example might work in this specific instance iff the only files > with that date (not time) are the mysql files but sometimes I want to > find the ones with an exact time. I usually kludge some cut line, but > that seems tacky. There aught to be a more elegant way of doing it. > > -- > Gerry Skerbitz > gsker@tcfreenet.org > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Jay Kline wrote: >> On Sunday 27 April 2003 10:19 pm, Gerry wrote: >> > You COULD >> > cp `ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" | cut -c57-` /tmp/mysql >> > or, as long as you've gotten that far, >> > chown root:mysql `ls -l * | grep "Mar 31" | cut -c57-` >> > >> > There ought to be a find command to find an exact time, but I >> > couldn't find one. >> >> look up the find command >> First, make sure the command works by seeing what it prints: >> find /usr/bin -maxdepth 1 -daystart -ctime 28 -print >> Then change the owner >> find /usr/bin -maxdepth 1 -daystart -ctime 28 -exec chown root.mysql >> \{\} \; >> >> Another good option would be to look at xargs if you have the >> arguments on stdout. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From patrickm at citilink.com Mon Apr 28 13:34:59 2003 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: <20030428175004.GI4171@autonomous.tv> References: <3EACD5F3.2070703@gac.edu> <20030426191730.GA9787@fireopal.org> <1051511144.28130.4.camel@hackel.hn.org> <3EACD5F3.2070703@gac.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030428132545.02400ec8@mail.citilink.com> >I would consider knoppix more of a 'demo' linux than a rescue cd. It >can certainly be used as a rescue cd. I think most will agree that you >need really _need_ kde to perform any rescue tasks. When I need a >rescue CD I, personally, don't wan't to wait for kde to load, from a CD >no less. >just my $0.02 Type 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt and it boots into the command line. This is how I usually use it - I don't have the patience to wait for a full kde load. That said, its got a lot of tools for rescue tasks. It's amazing the amount of stuff they packed onto that cd. Patrick McCabe _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Apr 28 13:48:53 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030428132545.02400ec8@mail.citilink.com> References: <3EACD5F3.2070703@gac.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20030428132545.02400ec8@mail.citilink.com> Message-ID: <200304281348.53793.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Monday 28 April 2003 01:34 pm, Patrick McCabe wrote: > >I would consider knoppix more of a 'demo' linux than a rescue cd. It > >can certainly be used as a rescue cd. I think most will agree that you > >need really _need_ kde to perform any rescue tasks. When I need a > >rescue CD I, personally, don't wan't to wait for kde to load, from a CD > >no less. > >just my $0.02 > > Type 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt and it boots into the command line. > This is how I usually use it - I don't have the patience to wait for a > full kde load. That said, its got a lot of tools for rescue tasks. It's > amazing the amount of stuff they packed onto that cd. Agreed--knoppix 2 is the way to go. I just used it last week to recover 1.9 GB of e-mail off a crashed W2K machine. The VP of Sales was sweating...Linux to the rescue. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Mon Apr 28 14:27:52 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] basic linux In-Reply-To: <13410.64.83.193.246.1051552357.squirrel@mail.slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20030428141537.G29949-100000@tcfreenet.org> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 list@slushpupie.com wrote: > The problem with the "exact" time is the resolution of the timer.. it > will display the Month/Day (and time if recent) but it stores seconds (and > msec too?) So what you are looking for is a range that includes the whole > day.. No, I most definitely am not. That's why I asked the question. The day is easy. Even a particular minute forces you to use something like the perl script Troy posted. (it doesn't store msec AFAIK) > You might try using multiple -ctime tags (in accordance with other operators) > > something like `find -ctime +3 -and -ctime -4` (havnt tested it.. try for > yourself) I'm looking for resolution to the minute -- what's displayed in an ls -- and not a relative number of minutes either since that won't work once the clock changes. I want to find all files with the same time as another file and find should do that and doesn't. Oh well. Gerry _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Apr 28 14:58:42 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: <200304281348.53793.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <3EACD5F3.2070703@gac.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20030428132545.02400ec8@mail.citilink.com> <200304281348.53793.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <20030428195842.GB5334@autonomous.tv> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 01:48:53PM -0500, James Spinti wrote: >On Monday 28 April 2003 01:34 pm, Patrick McCabe wrote: >> >I would consider knoppix more of a 'demo' linux than a rescue cd. It >> >can certainly be used as a rescue cd. I think most will agree that you >> >need really _need_ kde to perform any rescue tasks. When I need a >> >rescue CD I, personally, don't wan't to wait for kde to load, from a CD >> >no less. >> >just my $0.02 >> >> Type 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt and it boots into the command line. >> This is how I usually use it - I don't have the patience to wait for a >> full kde load. That said, its got a lot of tools for rescue tasks. It's >> amazing the amount of stuff they packed onto that cd. > >Agreed--knoppix 2 is the way to go. I just used it last week to recover >1.9 GB of e-mail off a crashed W2K machine. The VP of Sales was >sweating...Linux to the rescue. >-- I am burning another copy of that right now. Sounds like dream. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030428/12246d9d/attachment.pgp From hackel at walkingfish.com Mon Apr 28 15:56:06 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <3EAD3455.6020308@mttcc.com> References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030427013923.C11608@joelschneider.net> <3EAD3455.6020308@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <1051563365.32539.4.camel@hackel.hn.org> Java is non-free. It should be avoided like the plague, or alternatives like gcj (GNU java complier), kaffe, and the like should be used. All of these have very limited awt/swing support, however. GCJ does allow compiling to native code, which is important if you ever want a java application to be less than painfully slow (anyone tried using Limewire lately?). Until it matures, let's just leave java in the server-applet realm where it seems to belong. Just my $.02. Ryan On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 09:01, Matt Thoren wrote: > Java swing is NOT a terrible UI. It is easy to use and deploy. I > wrote an app one-time and deployed it on Compaq Tru64, OpenVMS, > NT/2000, Solaris and on Linux without modification. > > The JTable class alone is enough of a reason to use swing. It is > very easy to create a front end to a database with JDBC. > > Finding people to maintain and support a deployed app is easy as most > college level courses include java. > > Java is easy to use, lots of documentation and examples, easy to > deploy, easy to maintain. That is why it is popular. This is why > I suggest to my clients -- and many of my clients have this in place > already -- that all new code be written in Java and any migration > should be done to Java. > > Matt Thoren > mthoren@mttcc.com -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Apr 28 17:28:40 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] basic linux In-Reply-To: <20030428141537.G29949-100000@tcfreenet.org> References: <13410.64.83.193.246.1051552357.squirrel@mail.slushpupie.com> <20030428141537.G29949-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20030428172840.A15741@baker.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 02:27:52PM -0500, Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 list@slushpupie.com wrote: > I'm looking for resolution to the minute -- what's displayed in an ls -- > and not a relative number of minutes either since that won't work once the > clock changes. > > I want to find all files with the same time as another file > and find should do that and doesn't. Oh well. Well you should be able to sling something together using bc and date. Something like: s1=$(date -r TARGET_FILE +%s); s2=$(date +%s); cmin=$(echo "scale=0; ($s2 -$s1) /60" |bc -l);find -cmin $cmin Of course that truncates instead of rounding ctime, so you'd probably want to make a time range (or better yet figure out how to get bc to round): s1=$(date -r TARGET_FILE +%s); s2=$(date +%s); cmin_high=$(echo "scale=0; ($s1 -$s2) /60 -1" |bc -l); cmin_low (echo "scale=0; ($s2 -$s1) /60" |bc -l); find -cmin $cmin_high -cmin +$cmin_low That's so ugly, that you ar eprobably better off sticking with your current kludge. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Mon Apr 28 18:08:12 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] basic linux In-Reply-To: <20030428141537.G29949-100000@tcfreenet.org> References: <20030428141537.G29949-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <200304281808.12930.list@slushpupie.com> On Monday 28 April 2003 02:27 pm, Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > I'm looking for resolution to the minute -- what's displayed in an ls -- > and not a relative number of minutes either since that won't work once the > clock changes. find has resultion to the minute with -cmin and you can compare to another file. But if the script needs to be repeatable, you might want to consult a list of files, because create time really isnt all that reliable of a method to group files together for mysql packages. You might want to look at my other post and using rpm or dpkg to generate a list, or if you did it from source construct your own list. > I want to find all files with the same time as another file > and find should do that and doesn't. Oh well. as I mentioned before, its a question of resolution. find is accurate to the second, and you want something less accurate (the day, hour?) I have found that if I reach a dead end because there are no tools to solve my problem, I might be looking at the problem the wrong way. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Apr 28 23:50:08 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <1051563365.32539.4.camel@hackel.hn.org>; from hackel@walkingfish.com on Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 03:56:06PM -0500 References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030427013923.C11608@joelschneider.net> <3EAD3455.6020308@mttcc.com> <1051563365.32539.4.camel@hackel.hn.org> Message-ID: <20030428235008.D11608@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 03:56:06PM -0500, Ryan Hayle wrote: > Java is non-free. It should be avoided like the plague, or alternatives > like gcj (GNU java complier), kaffe, and the like should be used. Maybe I should inform my current client, who happens to be in the business of saving people's lives, they should immediately cease and desist their use of non-free Java. People may die, but at least the software would be free. Just a feeble illustration of the compromise laden world in which I live. At this time, for me, Java is free enough ... -- Joel Schneider IYXQA - www.yanxinqigong.net joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Apr 29 00:51:32 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite Rescue Distro? In-Reply-To: <20030428195842.GB5334@autonomous.tv> References: <3EACD5F3.2070703@gac.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20030428132545.02400ec8@mail.citilink.com> <200304281348.53793.jspinti@dartdist.com> <20030428195842.GB5334@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030429055131.GA6095@autonomous.tv> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 02:58:42PM -0500, SpencerUnderground wrote: >I am burning another copy of that right now. Sounds like dream. I am so glad I did! This cd has the works. The only complaint I have is the minor annoyance of the /etc/pcmcia/network script. I wanted to run pump when it loaded the (wrong) modules for my wifi card. Not the worst thing in the world, just a little annoying. It kept loading the hermes drivers for my prism2 based wifi card. I poked around a bit but didn't feel like unlinking all the files from the cd and cp then into the /ramdisk to make it load how I wanted. All in all it is a solid dristo IMHO. It is Debian testing/unstable whadda you expect :) This CD has found a permanent place in my tool kit. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030429/fd116b87/attachment.pgp From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Apr 29 08:40:07 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <20030428235008.D11608@joelschneider.net> References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030427013923.C11608@joelschneider.net> <3EAD3455.6020308@mttcc.com> <1051563365.32539.4.camel@hackel.hn.org> <20030428235008.D11608@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <16046.32951.95134.487805@tsathoggua.mydomain> [Warning: Possibly thread hijacking....] Personally, I like QT a lot better than Gtk, but then I find myself much more likely to write Gtk programs. The reason is that Gtk is better supported by scripting languages I like, notably perl. [Interestingly, I note that while Mandrake, the distro I use most, is a much more KDEish distro than its sister RedHat, all the Mandrake configuration gadgetry like rpmdrake, etc., seems to be written using perl and gtk.] Has anyone out there found a decent perl+qt solution? I've tried on occasion to install the perlQT from CPAN, but it always seems to end up in a horrible snarl wrt the way Mandrake installs KDE.... [I know about pyqt but I'd rather keep perl and give up QT than take up python right now. YMMV.] cheers, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Apr 29 09:19:46 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Us Cable/Warpdriveonline and firewalls Message-ID: <20030429091946.293dc585.sfertch@real-time.com> Just wondering if anyone else has tried to set up a firewall on US Cable (aka Warpdriveonline) access. I've been trying to setup a firewall using IP Cop on an older P166 for a friend of mine, and have been running into a few issues. Initially, I had a bad NIC which was replaced. Now, I'm not getting any external connection. I can ping everything internal, and it's fine. But I'm getting a "network not found" error message on boot up. He can connect with his Winders box no problem. His cable modem is a Terayon TJ615, and I have the settings correct. Or, as best as I can figure out from their not so informative support site along with grabbing info from his windows machine when connected. I've placed a call to their support division yesterday, but have not received a call back yet. Just wondering if I need to have the MAC address set on their end, or if there's something else I'm messing up. As an fyi, I did have this machine setup as my firewall originally with DSL and it worked fine. But I have static IP's and he gets DHCP from his provider. -- Shawn The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering. --Doctor Who, "Face of Evil" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Tue Apr 29 09:00:22 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <16046.32951.95134.487805@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <20030428235008.D11608@joelschneider.net> <16046.32951.95134.487805@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <200304290900.22051.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Tuesday 29 April 2003 08:40 am, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > [Warning: Possibly thread hijacking....] You terrorist, you. > [Interestingly, I note that while Mandrake, the distro I use most, is > a much more KDEish distro than its sister RedHat, all the Mandrake > configuration gadgetry like rpmdrake, etc., seems to be written using > perl and gtk.] I've noticed this, too, and always found it odd. > Has anyone out there found a decent perl+qt solution? > I've tried on occasion to install the perlQT from CPAN, but it always > seems to end up in a horrible snarl wrt the way Mandrake installs > KDE.... That's because the CPAN module is for QT1/2.x. For PerlQT3, go to http://perlqt.sourceforge.net/ :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Apr 29 09:57:49 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com><200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org><20030427013923.C11608@joelschneider.net><3EAD3455.6020308@mttcc.com><1051563365.32539.4.camel@hackel.hn.org><20030428235008.D11608@joelschneider.net> <16046.32951.95134.487805@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <004a01c30e5f$b3989870$0201a8c0@brinstar> rpgoldman@real-time.com writes: > Has anyone out there found a decent perl+qt solution? Have you tried wxPerl? It's not Qt, but it's free and provides (in my opinion) better cross platform support: http://wxperl.sourceforge.net/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mthoren at mttcc.com Tue Apr 29 10:55:15 2003 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030427013923.C11608@joelschneider.net> <3EAD3455.6020308@mttcc.com> <1051563365.32539.4.camel@hackel.hn.org> Message-ID: <3EAEA063.4070802@mttcc.com> If you need high speed processing like SCADA (2 second or fast scan rates) or realtime control of mechanical devices and alarm processing, you will most likely use some natively compiled code. Especially if the app(s) requires many daemons all using some form of inter-process communication and file and/or database access. If this is the case, you will also have matched the hardware to the task (larger more expensive machines or small embedded systems designed for the task). For the vast majority of business and personal apps the latency of using bite code that is NOT natively compiled does not have much of an impact. I would NOT use kaffe or gcj, because of the reasons of limitation you gave below, but rather the standard Java development kit from Sun. It is available for most platforms (including linux) as is the runtime environment. Further, I have found that if I code java without a integrated development environment, I can get smaller jars that load and run more quickly. I think the maturity in java needs to occur more in the IDE's currently available than in the packages. I am able to take advantage reusing variables like strings and ints and process loops coding using vi than using the IDE's. Ryan Hayle wrote: >Java is non-free. It should be avoided like the plague, or alternatives >like gcj (GNU java complier), kaffe, and the like should be used. All >of these have very limited awt/swing support, however. GCJ does allow >compiling to native code, which is important if you ever want a java >application to be less than painfully slow (anyone tried using Limewire >lately?). > >Until it matures, let's just leave java in the server-applet realm where >it seems to belong. Just my $.02. > >Ryan > >On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 09:01, Matt Thoren wrote: > > >>- >> >> >>Matt Thoren >>mthoren@mttcc.com >> >> > > > -- -- Matt Thoren MTT Computer Consulting Inc. mthoren@mttcc.com http://www.mttcc.com 612-743-8773 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030429/61d37b1e/attachment.htm From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Apr 29 10:33:40 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast Cable Connection Message-ID: Hi LUG, My brother has a Red Hat 7.3 firewall that loses it's link every once in a while (once every 2 or 3 weeks or so) to Comcasts cable internet service. The "cable modem" is an RCA model, but I cannot remember the model number. The problem is that it doesn't seem to want to come back up without intervention. The connection is configured via DHCP. I was wondering if this sort of thing happens to any other Linux running users of their service. Troy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Tue Apr 29 00:14:52 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast Cable Connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32810.192.168.2.243.1051593292.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> More than a year ago I ran a Red Hat 7.2 machine on an AT&T connection with an RCA cable modem and the same thing would happen to me. I would have to manually `ifdown eth0; ifup eth0` to get an IP again. So to ease your wondering, yes. It has happened to me in the past. As to how to fix it, there are probably several ways. I would suggest some type of script (shell/perl) that would check a reliable host on the Internet and if the connection is down, then the script would do the `ifdown eth0; ifup eth0`. You could run this script via cron as often as necessary. But that's just my duct-tape-and-chicken-wire solution. There very well could be a better way. Mark Courtney > Hi LUG, > > My brother has a Red Hat 7.3 firewall that > loses it's link every once in a while (once every 2 > or 3 weeks or so) to Comcasts cable internet > service. The "cable modem" is an RCA model, > but I cannot remember the model number. The > problem is that it doesn't seem to want to come > back up without intervention. The connection is > configured via DHCP. > > I was wondering if this sort of thing happens to > any other Linux running users of their service. > > Troy > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Tue Apr 29 00:25:55 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Us Cable/Warpdriveonline and firewalls In-Reply-To: <20030429091946.293dc585.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030429091946.293dc585.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <32820.192.168.2.243.1051593955.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> If you use static IP's, and the new location uses DHCP, you will have to configure your Red (Internet) interface to use DHCP. There have been a few new versions since I've used IPCop, so I can't tell you exactly how to do it. http://ipcop.org probably can though. Mark Courtney > Just wondering if anyone else has tried to set up a firewall on US Cable > (aka Warpdriveonline) access. I've been trying to setup a firewall using > IP Cop on an older P166 for a friend of mine, and have been running into > a few issues. Initially, I had a bad NIC which was replaced. Now, I'm > not getting any external connection. I can ping everything internal, and > it's fine. But I'm getting a "network not found" error message on boot > up. He can connect with his Winders box no problem. His cable modem is a > Terayon TJ615, and I have the settings correct. Or, as best as I can > figure out from their not so informative support site along with grabbing > info from his windows machine when connected. I've placed a call to their > support division yesterday, but have not received a call back yet. Just > wondering if I need to have the MAC address set on their end, or if > there's something else I'm messing up. As an fyi, I did have this machine > setup as my firewall originally with DSL and it worked fine. But I have > static IP's and he gets DHCP from his provider. > > -- > Shawn > > The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of > altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their > views... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the > facts that need altering. --Doctor Who, "Face of Evil" > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Apr 29 13:05:27 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Us Cable/Warpdriveonline and firewalls In-Reply-To: <32820.192.168.2.243.1051593955.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <20030429091946.293dc585.sfertch@real-time.com> <32820.192.168.2.243.1051593955.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20030429130527.562dfd54.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:25:55 +0600 (GMT-6) "Mark Courtney" wrote: > If you use static IP's, and the new location uses DHCP, you will have > to configure your Red (Internet) interface to use DHCP. There have > been a few new versions since I've used IPCop, so I can't tell you > exactly how to do it. > Thats just it. I've completely reloaded the box with IP Cop 1.2, where I was running 1.12 I think it was. I set it up for DHCP, per what I could find on the directions. I'll go back and reread in case I missed something, but I don't think I missed anything during my setup on his network. -- Shawn The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering. --Doctor Who, "Face of Evil" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Apr 29 14:03:33 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast Cable Connection Message-ID: Mark, I love duct-tape-and-chicken-wire solutions, especially when scotch-tape-and-aluminum-foil solutions aren't cutting it. Thank you very much! Troy >>> MarkCourtney@MarkCourtney.com 04/29/03 12:14AM >>> More than a year ago I ran a Red Hat 7.2 machine on an AT&T connection with an RCA cable modem and the same thing would happen to me. I would have to manually `ifdown eth0; ifup eth0` to get an IP again. So to ease your wondering, yes. It has happened to me in the past. As to how to fix it, there are probably several ways. I would suggest some type of script (shell/perl) that would check a reliable host on the Internet and if the connection is down, then the script would do the `ifdown eth0; ifup eth0`. You could run this script via cron as often as necessary. But that's just my duct-tape-and-chicken-wire solution. There very well could be a better way. Mark Courtney > Hi LUG, > > My brother has a Red Hat 7.3 firewall that > loses it's link every once in a while (once every 2 > or 3 weeks or so) to Comcasts cable internet > service. The "cable modem" is an RCA model, > but I cannot remember the model number. The > problem is that it doesn't seem to want to come > back up without intervention. The connection is > configured via DHCP. > > I was wondering if this sort of thing happens to > any other Linux running users of their service. > > Troy > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Apr 29 15:35:05 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] May TCPHP meeting Message-ID: <20030429153505.A14510@thinkunix.net> For any who are interested, mapserver is a pretty cool thing: ==== When: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 7:00pm What: PHP and Dynamic Web Mapping using Mapserver Steve Lime is a web applications specialist who created the open source web mapping tool called mapserver (http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/) He will be giving us a presentation on GIS, web based mapping, and the extra functions that mapserver makes available to scripting languages such as PHP. His presentation will also be a tickler for any of us who may want to attend the mapserver conference in June. for more info check the TCPHP website: http://tcphp.org/ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Apr 29 16:33:50 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast Cable Connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45479.63.137.56.228.1051652030.squirrel@dccmn.com> I wonder if this could be caused by the IP address being reassigned? If it is, you might have to go out and lease the address again. We have a dyndns tool that refreshes our dhcp lease every 2 weeks. Troy.A Johnson said: > Hi LUG, > > My brother has a Red Hat 7.3 firewall that > loses it's link every once in a while (once every 2 > or 3 weeks or so) to Comcasts cable internet > service. The "cable modem" is an RCA model, > but I cannot remember the model number. The > problem is that it doesn't seem to want to come > back up without intervention. The connection is > configured via DHCP. > > I was wondering if this sort of thing happens to > any other Linux running users of their service. > > Troy > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Apr 29 16:39:20 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title Message-ID: I'm getting new business cards at work and I hate my job title. I have 2 co-irkers that feel the same way. My official title is "microcomputer support specialist", which describes what I do pretty well, but it's wordy and boring. I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 29 16:49:38 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Brian wrote: > I'm getting new business cards at work and I hate my job title. I > have 2 co-irkers that feel the same way. My official title is > "microcomputer support specialist", which describes what I do pretty > well, but it's wordy and boring. > > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? /me == 'village idiot'. carl == 'grand high poobah'. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff at dreadidread.homelinux.org Tue Apr 29 12:06:18 2003 From: jeff at dreadidread.homelinux.org (Jeff Hemminger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1051635978.3eaeb10a402fe@dreadidread.homelinux.org> Jedi ;-) -- Quoting Brian : > I'm getting new business cards at work and I hate my job title. I have 2 > co-irkers that feel the same way. My official title is "microcomputer > support specialist", which describes what I do pretty well, but it's wordy > and boring. > > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? > > -Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Apr 29 03:08:15 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304290308.15968.list@slushpupie.com> On Tuesday 29 April 2003 04:39 pm, Brian wrote: > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? just put 'root' as your title. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Apr 29 17:13:09 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304291713.09365.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Tuesday 29 April 2003 04:39 pm, Brian wrote: > I'm getting new business cards at work and I hate my job title. I have > 2 co-irkers that feel the same way. My official title is "microcomputer > support specialist", which describes what I do pretty well, but it's > wordy and boring. > > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? > > -Brian Evil Genius in Training? -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Apr 29 03:14:54 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304290314.54778.list@slushpupie.com> On Tuesday 29 April 2003 04:39 pm, Brian wrote: > I'm getting new business cards at work and I hate my job title. I have 2 > co-irkers that feel the same way. My official title is "microcomputer > support specialist", which describes what I do pretty well, but it's wordy > and boring. > > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? I sence a poll topic here..... -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Apr 29 17:01:27 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: <200304290314.54778.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Jay Kline wrote: > I sence a poll topic here..... Once I have an accumulation of ideas, yes. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Tue Apr 29 17:03:41 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030429220341.GB13035@isis.visi.com> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 04:39:20PM -0500, Brian wrote: > I'm getting new business cards at work and I hate my job title. I have 2 > co-irkers that feel the same way. My official title is "microcomputer > support specialist", which describes what I do pretty well, but it's wordy > and boring. > > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? > Switch "microcomputer" to "application", I would guess most the time it's the software you support. Then use the acronym version for brevity. Get the company to update everyone else's business cards before yours, but change your mind at the last minute. You'll still have "microcomputer support specialist" on your card, but in the end will sure beat everyone else's. -- David _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Apr 29 17:29:25 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 04:39:20PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030429172925.A24043@thinkunix.net> Brian wrote: > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? chief technologist _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Apr 29 17:51:37 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <200304290900.22051.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <20030428235008.D11608@joelschneider.net> <16046.32951.95134.487805@tsathoggua.mydomain> <200304290900.22051.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <16047.505.126477.567774@tsathoggua.mydomain> Thanks to both Peter Clark and David Phillips for their scripting suggestions! Cheers, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Apr 29 18:04:17 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] May TCPHP meeting In-Reply-To: <20030429153505.A14510@thinkunix.net> References: <20030429153505.A14510@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030429230417.GO1776@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 03:35:05PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > For any who are interested, mapserver is a pretty cool thing: > gah, bad memories. maps.tcwug.org used to use it, then I got tired of the complete broken-ness and rewrote it. maybe it's been improved since then. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Apr 29 18:15:19 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1051658119.24402.243.camel@lotsa> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 16:39, Brian wrote: > My official title is "microcomputer > support specialist" > > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Technical Combobulation Organizational Engineer Special Micro Support Computist Macro Calculator Fixer Guy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Apr 29 18:19:51 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030429231951.GP1776@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 04:39:20PM -0500, Brian wrote: > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? http://www.bullshitjob.com/titles.html Will generate a random important sounding title =) > > -Brian -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From caveman at cyclox.com Tue Apr 29 18:51:19 2003 From: caveman at cyclox.com (jeffrey l koehn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1) Scew-up Fixer 2) F**K-UP Fixer 3) IT Ass Wiper On Tuesday 29 April 2003 04:39 pm, you wrote: > I'm getting new business cards at work and I hate my job title. > I have 2 co-irkers that feel the same way. My official title is > "microcomputer support specialist", which describes what I do > pretty well, but it's wordy and boring. > > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? > > -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Apr 29 21:41:56 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: <20030429172925.A24043@thinkunix.net> References: <20030429172925.A24043@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1711.192.1.1.248.1051670516.squirrel@dccmn.com> Brian wrote: > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? Senior Hacker? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Apr 29 22:04:56 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <16046.32951.95134.487805@tsathoggua.mydomain>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 08:40:07AM -0500 References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <200304231253.55073@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <20030427013923.C11608@joelschneider.net> <3EAD3455.6020308@mttcc.com> <1051563365.32539.4.camel@hackel.hn.org> <20030428235008.D11608@joelschneider.net> <16046.32951.95134.487805@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20030429220456.E11608@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 08:40:07AM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Personally, I like QT a lot better than Gtk, but then I find myself > much more likely to write Gtk programs. The reason is that Gtk is > better supported by scripting languages I like, notably perl. It would be really sweet if cross-platform Perl/Python GUI programs using GTK/QT could take advantage of a nice web-based deployment tool such as Java Web Start: http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/ Does such an animal exist for some combination of Perl/Python/GTK/QT? -- Joel Schneider IYXQA - www.yanxinqigong.net joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 29 22:30:26 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <16046.32951.95134.487805@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <20030428235008.D11608@joelschneider.net> <16046.32951.95134.487805@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <200304292230.26784@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 29 April 2003 08:40 am, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: Has anyone out there found a decent perl+qt solution? > I've tried on occasion to install the perlQT from CPAN, but it always > seems to end up in a horrible snarl wrt the way Mandrake installs > KDE.... http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/perl/index.html -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 29 23:05:48 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? Message-ID: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> I have a Request for Comment (RFC). I received a request from someone to remove several posts from the tclug-list archives. Some time has pasted and this person has realized how comments made years ago can come back to haunt you when posted to a public forum. They said all the right things about being stupid, child-like, etc. Now, my RFC. Should posts be expunged from the archives? I don't mean to punish this person, but at the same time those posts are part of tclug's history and the Internet's history in general. Just because it was bad/wrong/improper doesn't mean it's not part of our history. Right? Please direct comments to the list. And pollmaster, this would be a good poll. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030429/9edb7762/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 29 23:13:14 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <20030429220456.E11608@joelschneider.net> References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <16046.32951.95134.487805@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20030429220456.E11608@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <200304292313.14615@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 29 April 2003 10:04 pm, Joel Schneider wrote: > It would be really sweet if cross-platform Perl/Python GUI programs > using GTK/QT could take advantage of a nice web-based deployment tool > such as Java Web Start: > > http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/ > > Does such an animal exist for some combination of Perl/Python/GTK/QT? If it does, more then likely it will be listed here: http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/index.html -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 29 23:16:14 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: <3EAEA063.4070802@mttcc.com> References: <3EA80D4D.3000109@mttcc.com> <1051563365.32539.4.camel@hackel.hn.org> <3EAEA063.4070802@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <200304292316.14624@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 29 April 2003 10:55 am, Matt Thoren wrote: > If you need high speed processing like SCADA (2 second or fast scan > rates) or realtime control of mechanical devices and alarm processing, > you will most likely use some natively compiled code. Especially if > the app(s) requires many daemons all using some form of inter-process > communication and file and/or database access. Another positive for native code is when a jvm doesn't exist for your hardware. We all like to think that Intel chips run everything (except Sun, they think Sparc chips do). The same arguement holds for C++/QT, if it's not ported to your hardware. But with a little work, QT can be ported fairly easily. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 29 23:17:36 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304292317.36508@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 29 April 2003 04:39 pm, Brian wrote: > I'm getting new business cards at work and I hate my job title. I have 2 > co-irkers that feel the same way. My official title is "microcomputer > support specialist", which describes what I do pretty well, but it's wordy > and boring. > > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? "Guy with too much time on his hands that he can worry about his job title" ? :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Tue Apr 29 23:20:48 2003 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030430042048.GA25384@therub.org> I don't think that the request is out of line, but I would hesitate before pulling the comments. Could we remove the identifying information (name, email), and leave the comments? /me goes to do a quick wget -m of the tclug site :) Dan On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:05:48PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I have a Request for Comment (RFC). > > I received a request from someone to remove several posts from the tclug-list > archives. > > Some time has pasted and this person has realized how comments made years ago > can come back to haunt you when posted to a public forum. They said all the > right things about being stupid, child-like, etc. > > Now, my RFC. Should posts be expunged from the archives? I don't mean to punish > this person, but at the same time those posts are part of tclug's history and > the Internet's history in general. > > Just because it was bad/wrong/improper doesn't mean it's not part of our > history. Right? > > Please direct comments to the list. > > And pollmaster, this would be a good poll. :-) > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Apr 29 23:21:49 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:05:48PM -0500 References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030429232149.A10976@thinkunix.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > I have a Request for Comment (RFC). > > I received a request from someone to remove several posts from the tclug-list > archives. I'd suggest having that person post a follow-up to their original post and allow them to retract whatever they see fit. This maintains the archives history, and hopefully teaches that person (and others) a valuable lesson "Think before you hit SEND". Knowing "disk is cheap" is not an excuse to be a pack rat and keep everything. At some point it might prove beneficial to delete larger, often repeated threads, such as "which is better? cable vs DSL". just my opinions. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Tue Apr 29 23:37:08 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3EAF52F4.5080101@cleosci.com> Personally, I feel we're grown up enough to take into account that "old is old". I'd say leave them there; let history remain. Garrett Bob Tanner wrote: >I have a Request for Comment (RFC). > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Apr 29 23:50:39 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <004301c30ed4$0c2d5920$0201a8c0@brinstar> Mail messages are copyrighted automatically by the creator: http://cr.yp.to/mailcopyright.html This would seem to imply that the copyright holder has a right to disallow messages from being published. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at jentges.net Tue Apr 29 23:50:18 2003 From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4297.199.199.150.6.1051678218.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> While I don't have it on any cards YET, my clients call me "The Computer Geek." Plain, up front, slightly politically incorrect yet understood by all. It also doesn't infer that I 'specialize' in anything, leaving that area wide open for me to pass on what I don't want to/can't do. :) -mj > > On Tuesday 29 April 2003 04:39 pm, you wrote: >> I'm getting new business cards at work and I hate my job title. I >> have 2 co-irkers that feel the same way. My official title is >> "microcomputer support specialist", which describes what I do >> pretty well, but it's wordy and boring. >> >> I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? >> >> -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at jentges.net Tue Apr 29 23:56:04 2003 From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast Cable Connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4398.199.199.150.6.1051678564.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> > But that's just my duct-tape-and-chicken-wire solution. There very well > could be a better way. > Duct tape rocks. Ever tried to remove it? "Better" is usually in the eyes of the beholder. I prefer "effective". :) -mj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sos at zjod.net Wed Apr 30 02:07:40 2003 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: from "David Phillips" at Apr 29, 2003 11:50:39 PM Message-ID: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> David Phillips wrote: > > Mail messages are copyrighted automatically by the creator: > > http://cr.yp.to/mailcopyright.html > > This would seem to imply that the copyright holder has a right to disallow > messages from being published. Leave us not forget that the tclug is archived on Google, et al, some of which continue to make historical stuff available (often for a fee) even after it's taken down by the originator. Remove, redact or ignore the request... it probably won't matter; the cat's permanently out of the bag. -S _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Apr 30 08:12:39 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030429232149.A10976@thinkunix.net> References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> <20030429232149.A10976@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030430131239.GR1069@iucha.net> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:21:49PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Bob Tanner wrote: > > I have a Request for Comment (RFC). > > > > I received a request from someone to remove several posts from the tclug-list > > archives. > > I'd suggest having that person post a follow-up to their original post > and allow them to retract whatever they see fit. This maintains the > archives history, and hopefully teaches that person (and others) a > valuable lesson "Think before you hit SEND". I strongly disagree with "rewritting the history". A statement can be retracted, but not undone. ** Isn't it curious that the only mistakes that can be _perfectly_ undone are the money transactions? (because money are abstract enough that we don't care if it is this dollar or that dollar). And even there, transactions are not erased from books, but the opposite transaction is recorded. ** Q: What is the difference between a light bulb and a pregnant girl? A: You can unscrew the light bulb. ** I say let them apology and retract their statements. That will be archived. It need not be more than "I am sorry". I know first impression is [unfortunately] so important but the long-term behavior is more important than a silly flame two years ago. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030430/2499ff38/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Apr 30 09:28:28 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> Although copyright law does allow the author to control the publication of his/her own work, at what point do the demands of the author exceed what is considered appropriate and polite behavior. By sending email to the list, you have implicitly agreed that your posts are not only allowed to be published in the forum, but to be archived as well. Those are the stipulations of belonging to an archived email list. If we must protect ourselves legally, then we should place this simple notification in the confirmation message for subscription requests: "You are about to subscribe to a public, archived email list. By confirming your subscription, you agree to allow the Twin Cities Linux Users' Group (TCLUG) to forward your posts to other list members and to the web-accessible, public archive. Requests to remove material from the archives will be reviewed by the list moderators, but in most cases will be respectfully declined." When push comes to shove, however, I don't think we have a legal leg to stand on. I don't recall if this has been tested in a court of law. Given that this type of notice may not have been sent out in the original subscription confirmation, it may be necessary to fulfill the requests of the author in question. A nice feature enhancement of mailing list software would be a user configurable expiration of messages. i.e. No archive setting would have an expiration of "0" days. No expiration would be "-1". This would be difficult with the current way that archives are created, as an "MBOX" email folder. Anyway... -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it fair to the other participants in the discussion to remove part of the discussion? No. It's possible that the comments in question are quoted in replies to the message, and thus, you'd have to edit the replies, or remove the entire thread from the archive. And if you do it once, I'm sure you'll have to do it again. And again...do you really want to open that can of worms? Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org Linux is not an Operating System. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 30 09:56:04 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > When push comes to shove, however, I don't think we have a legal leg > to stand on. I don't recall if this has been tested in a court of > law. Given that this type of notice may not have been sent out in the > original subscription confirmation, it may be necessary to fulfill the > requests of the author in question. i think we do, i think we have a couple of those legal legs. yes the original author owns the copyright. So does Arthur C. Clark own the copyright on the books he publishes. This does not mean that i cannot store the book that i bought in my library for 50 years. And if i so chose i could also have a small bon fire in the backyard and burn the book. But ACC does NOT have the right or the option to ask me to do either of those. second, postal code says that anything delivered to your mailbox is your own. You may not have copyright ownership, but you have ownership of the data. snailmail mailbox vs email inbox aside, IMHO this would hold up rather well. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Apr 30 10:19:16 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030430151916.GV1776@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 09:28:28AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > A nice feature enhancement of mailing list software would be a user > configurable expiration of messages. i.e. No archive setting would > have an expiration of "0" days. No expiration would be "-1". This > would be difficult with the current way that archives are created, as > an "MBOX" email folder. Actually it's not all that hard, just tack on an X-No-Archive: Yes to your messages, and ' :0: * ^X-No-Archive: Yes /dev/null ' to the archive procmailrc. > > Anyway... > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030430/3072e15c/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Apr 30 10:21:48 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030430151916.GV1776@techmonkeys.org> References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030430151916.GV1776@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030430152148.GB5321@skuld.wookimus.net> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 10:19:16AM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Actually it's not all that hard, just tack on an X-No-Archive: Yes to > your messages, and ' > > :0: > * ^X-No-Archive: Yes > /dev/null > ' > to the archive procmailrc. The question is "Do we have an archive procmailrc?" I believe we're using mailman w/o any procmail intervention. Can anyone clarify this? -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030430/9de6723f/attachment.pgp From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 30 09:42:25 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <35352.65.165.40.9.1051713745.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > Now, my RFC. Should posts be expunged from the archives? I don't mean > to punish > this person but at the same time those posts are part of tclug's > history and the Internet's history in general. > > Just because it was bad/wrong/improper doesn't mean it's not part of our > history. Right? > > Please direct comments to the list. What is done is done, when you are carving your name in rock be sure not to misspell. MANY people would just love to unclick the send button. unfortunately it is one of those things that just cannot be undone.. Munir Nassar Systems Administrator RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Wed Apr 30 11:00:59 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Job title In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 04:39:20PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030430110059.E29277@real-time.com> > I need some ideas for a short snazzy title. Any ideas? 'Grand Obfuscator' has a certain ring to it. :) 'Lucubrator' will make them grab for the OED; but probably makes it sound like you think too much and do too little. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Apr 30 11:08:46 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <004a01c30f2c$695d84a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <004a01c30f2c$695d84a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030430160846.GB1059@iucha.net> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 10:23:11AM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > You shouldn't trust legal advice given to you on a mailing list. Legal > questions need to be answered by your attorney. (And, no, Asking Slashdot > is not an acceptable alternative, though many seem to believe otherwise.) True. > Munir Nassar writes: > > yes the original author owns the copyright. So does Arthur C. Clark > > own the copyright on the books he publishes. This does not mean that > > i cannot store the book that i bought in my library for 50 years. And > > if i so chose i could also have a small bon fire in the backyard and > > burn the book. > > But ACC does NOT have the right or the option to ask me to do either > > of those. > > You're comparing apples to oranges. Storing the book is not publishing it. > You have every right to do what you want with your copy. But you cannot > make copies and publish them. Oh, yes I can. I can quote your whole e-mail in a reply to a mailing list. And no, appending a fifteen page disclaimer to your message won't change that a bit. Do not post if you don't know/agree to the consequences. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030430/5a30d31b/attachment.pgp From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Apr 30 11:07:30 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? Message-ID: I think you should avoid this question in future by putting a statement on: https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list that ties subscription to the list with a consent to publish all list email in an archive. And then make everyone resubscribe (to be able to post, anyway). That said, people who want total control over what they write in email should not subscribe to email lists. I would not remove anything from the archive unless you are forced to do so. Maybe you can find a "paraphraser" program that will put what was said in your own words, and run the archive through that. I think that you might own the copyright to that work... >>> tanner@real-time.com 04/29/03 11:05PM >>> I have a Request for Comment (RFC). I received a request from someone to remove several posts from the tclug-list archives. Some time has pasted and this person has realized how comments made years ago can come back to haunt you when posted to a public forum. They said all the right things about being stupid, child-like, etc. Now, my RFC. Should posts be expunged from the archives? I don't mean to punish this person, but at the same time those posts are part of tclug's history and the Internet's history in general. Just because it was bad/wrong/improper doesn't mean it's not part of our history. Right? Please direct comments to the list. And pollmaster, this would be a good poll. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Apr 30 11:19:52 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030430161952.GC1059@iucha.net> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 11:07:30AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > I think you should avoid this question in future > by putting a statement on: > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > that ties subscription to the list with a consent to > publish all list email in an archive. And then make > everyone resubscribe (to be able to post, > anyway). Huh? Let anybody who doesn't agree unsubscribe. If they miss the notice on the tclug-ml, too bad. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This does not mean that > i cannot store the book that i bought in my library for 50 years. And > if i so chose i could also have a small bon fire in the backyard and > burn the book. > But ACC does NOT have the right or the option to ask me to do either > of those. You're comparing apples to oranges. Storing the book is not publishing it. You have every right to do what you want with your copy. But you cannot make copies and publish them. > second, postal code says that anything delivered to your mailbox is > your own. You may not have copyright ownership, but you have > ownership of the data. snailmail mailbox vs email inbox aside, IMHO > this would hold up rather well. Please cite the relevant laws that give you that right. If that was in fact true, there would likely be some exceptions, such as incorrectly delievered mail. Again, ownership of a copy is different from ownership of the copyright. If you go to Best Buy and purchase a copy of some software, that does not give you the right to publish it. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From imputerate at luser.us Wed Apr 30 13:44:26 2003 From: imputerate at luser.us (peter) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tty1 hung In-Reply-To: <20030430165333.M38163@luser.us> References: <200304301137.h3UBb3kP012026@ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com> <20030430165333.M38163@luser.us> Message-ID: <20030430184426.M17733@luser.us> weird! on tty1 and tty2 [gentoo on a new box], man pages suddenly started showing up so far below the last screen, that all i got was a blank "page"; hodgson@gent hodgson $ man ps [full blank screen] : once i thought of it, typing 'b' got me up to the text; and man pages showed up fine on tty3 - tty5; i have been recently, and often, ssh'ing into a remote linux box in california from tty1 and 2, but that shouldn't have anything to do with the problem, should it? also, i use screen on tty1, but there were no screen sessions alive at the time of my tty troubles; anyway, soon, on tty1, this happened: hodgson@gent hodgson $ less /usr/include//fstab.h hodgson@gent hodgson $ ar/mail/hodgson and tty1 froze solid so, on tty4 i did this: hodgson@gent etc $ ps --tty 1 PID TTY TIME CMD 29568 vc/1 00:00:00 bash hodgson@gent etc $ kill 29568 hodgson@gent etc $ ps --tty 1 PID TTY TIME CMD 29568 vc/1 00:00:00 bash hodgson@gent etc $ kill -9 29568 hodgson@gent etc $ ps --tty 1 PID TTY TIME CMD 5835 tty1 00:00:00 agetty but tty1 was still frozen; then i pressed ScrollLock and suddenly tty1 was not frozen, but it sits resolutely on the bottom of the screen and overwrites itself with each successful line of input; for example i logged out, back in, and typed 'man ps' which yielded a ':' and nothing else, all on the bottom line; is this because i killed the shell? but then who's giving me the prompt? i guess i'll reboot and everything will be fine, but i'm a sophomore newbie and would like to know what's going on; -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Wed Apr 30 10:24:37 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> <004301c30ed4$0c2d5920$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3EAFEAB5.9030904@cleosci.com> There are a lot of corporations blowing holes in that precedent now though! David Phillips wrote: >Mail messages are copyrighted automatically by the creator: > >http://cr.yp.to/mailcopyright.html > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Apr 30 13:36:41 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <200304301133.20006@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430151916.GV1776@techmonkeys.org> <20030430152148.GB5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <200304301133.20006@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030430183641.GW1776@techmonkeys.org> > Chewie is correct. It's pipermail doing the archiving and I do not think it > obeys the X-No-Archive smtp header. mhonarc has an option to obey it.. =) > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 30 11:33:20 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030430152148.GB5321@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430151916.GV1776@techmonkeys.org> <20030430152148.GB5321@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200304301133.20006@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 30 April 2003 10:21 am, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 10:19:16AM -0500, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > Actually it's not all that hard, just tack on an X-No-Archive: Yes to > > your messages, and ' > > > > :0: > > > > * ^X-No-Archive: Yes > > /dev/null > > ' > > to the archive procmailrc. > > The question is "Do we have an archive procmailrc?" I believe we're > using mailman w/o any procmail intervention. Can anyone clarify this? Chewie is correct. It's pipermail doing the archiving and I do not think it obeys the X-No-Archive smtp header. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Apr 30 11:37:03 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? Message-ID: If they were my feet I would prefer to place them on firmer ground, but I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment. >>> florin@iucha.net 04/30/03 11:19AM >>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 11:07:30AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > I think you should avoid this question in future > by putting a statement on: > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > that ties subscription to the list with a consent to > publish all list email in an archive. And then make > everyone resubscribe (to be able to post, > anyway). Huh? Let anybody who doesn't agree unsubscribe. If they miss the notice on the tclug-ml, too bad. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Apr 30 14:00:11 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030430183641.GW1776@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > Chewie is correct. It's pipermail doing the archiving and I do not think it > > obeys the X-No-Archive smtp header. > > mhonarc has an option to obey it.. =) Oh, crap, a new battlefield: email-archiving software. Will the flamewars ever end? Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Apr 30 14:12:16 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: References: <20030430183641.GW1776@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030430191216.GX1776@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:00:11PM -0500, Jima wrote: > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > Chewie is correct. It's pipermail doing the archiving and I do not think it > > > obeys the X-No-Archive smtp header. > > > > mhonarc has an option to obey it.. =) > > Oh, crap, a new battlefield: email-archiving software. Will the > flamewars ever end? > > Jima Well, I'm not too sure that there's anyone around to defend pipermail =p -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Apr 30 14:22:38 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030430191216.GX1776@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:00:11PM -0500, Jima wrote: > > Oh, crap, a new battlefield: email-archiving software. Will the > > flamewars ever end? > > Well, I'm not too sure that there's anyone around to defend pipermail =p That matters little to people who like to engage in flamewars. Especially those who like to start them for no good reason. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 30 14:26:39 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Jima wrote: > Oh, crap, a new battlefield: email-archiving software. Will the > flamewars ever end? /me considers setting up tclug-flamewars.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Wed Apr 30 14:25:56 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <3EAFEAB5.9030904@cleosci.com> References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> <004301c30ed4$0c2d5920$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3EAFEAB5.9030904@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <20030430192556.GA9319@isis.visi.com> Do you have any references of this? Not doubting, just sounds like interested reading. -- David On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 10:24:37AM -0500, gkrueger wrote: > There are a lot of corporations blowing holes in that precedent now though! > > David Phillips wrote: > > >Mail messages are copyrighted automatically by the creator: > > > >http://cr.yp.to/mailcopyright.html > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Apr 30 14:38:39 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: References: <20030430191216.GX1776@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030430193839.GY1776@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:22:38PM -0500, Jima wrote: > That matters little to people who like to engage in flamewars. > Especially those who like to start them for no good reason. Wasn't meant to start a flamewar, Bob uses pipermail because that's what mailman is meant to use in most configurations. It was a simple matter of 'X product doesn't do XYZ, but Y product does' > Jima -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Apr 30 15:00:55 2003 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.2 Boot: Network Needs to be started manually Message-ID: <102e01c30f53$35eb2150$0201a8c0@office> I have had problems on and off in booting up my RH7.2 system where the network just does not exist. By that I mean, I can ping the localhost, I can ping the internal IP of the card, but I can not ping any neighboring machine on the internal network. So ... rather than trouble shooting it ... I just reboot the system and MOST of the time that works ... other times it has taken several reboots until it finally restarts. This time ... it did not and I had to manually go into the service configuration gui ... and restart the Network there. So .. what I did is as follows: I went to the service configuration gui and started the NetWork process there. It is checked to start at boot ... but for some reason it did not. Once I restarted it, there was no problem. Anyone else had this problem and have a fix for it? I checked the boot log and eth0 comes up fine ... no real warnings or errors indicated there ... but just no network. Comments or thoughts appreciated. Randy "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - Martin Luther King, Jr. ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030430/1398b2ba/attachment.htm From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Apr 30 10:33:42 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running programs as root Message-ID: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu> I just finished installing/configuring gentoo on my machine. When I login to kde as myself, though, I can't su and run programs like emacs. I.e.: $ su $ emacs Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified emacs: Cannot connect to X server :0. Check the DISPLAY environment variable or use `-d'. Also use the `xhost' program to verify that it is set to permit connections from your machine. $ this is probably pretty simple, but I can't seem to figure it out. thanks justin ? 2003 Justin Haaheim ;-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Apr 30 15:41:39 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running programs as root In-Reply-To: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu> References: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Justin Haaheim wrote: > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified Before you su, try 'xhost localhost'. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Apr 30 15:43:50 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running programs as root Message-ID: Or 'ssh root@localhost', if you allow root ssh logins. >>> jethro@freakzilla.com 04/30/03 03:41PM >>> Hey, On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Justin Haaheim wrote: > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified Before you su, try 'xhost localhost'. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhaahei2 at gac.edu Wed Apr 30 10:47:08 2003 From: jhaahei2 at gac.edu (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running programs as root In-Reply-To: References: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu> Message-ID: <3EAFEFFC.6000809@gac.edu> works great. Is that something I have to do each time, though? How can I set the system up to do that automatically? thanks justin Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Justin Haaheim wrote: > > >>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server >>Xlib: No protocol specified > > > Before you su, try 'xhost localhost'. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Apr 30 15:56:54 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] running programs as root In-Reply-To: <3EAFEFFC.6000809@gac.edu> References: <3EAFECD6.6040305@gac.edu> <3EAFEFFC.6000809@gac.edu> Message-ID: Hello, On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Justin Haaheim wrote: > works great. Is that something I have to do each time, though? How can > I set the system up to do that automatically? You can put it in your ~/.xinitrc file, along with anything you want happening when you start X. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Apr 30 17:32:40 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: <11d74f02715b54c3354ac779b005fd0a@stfu.local.> On 2003-04-30 09:56:04 -0500 Munir Nassar wrote: >> When push comes to shove, however, I don't think we have a legal leg >> to stand on. I don't recall if this has been tested in a court of >> law. Given that this type of notice may not have been sent out in >> the >> original subscription confirmation, it may be necessary to fulfill >> the >> requests of the author in question. > > i think we do, i think we have a couple of those legal legs. The below comments are well thought out and very thought provoking. Well said! And I agree wholeheartedly. > > yes the original author owns the copyright. So does Arthur C. Clark > own > the copyright on the books he publishes. This does not mean that i > cannot > store the book that i bought in my library for 50 years. And if i so > chose > i could also have a small bon fire in the backyard and burn the book. > But ACC does NOT have the right or the option to ask me to do either > of > those. > > second, postal code says that anything delivered to your mailbox is > your > own. You may not have copyright ownership, but you have ownership of > the > data. snailmail mailbox vs email inbox aside, IMHO this would hold up > rather well. > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Apr 30 17:37:03 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030430193839.GY1776@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <18f4886ad551eb5b368b7a38420fa1ab@stfu.local.> On 2003-04-30 14:38:39 -0500 Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:22:38PM -0500, Jima wrote: >> That matters little to people who like to engage in flamewars. >> Especially those who like to start them for no good reason. > > Wasn't meant to start a flamewar, Bob uses pipermail because that's > what mailman is meant to use in most configurations. > > It was a simple matter of 'X product doesn't do XYZ, but Y product > does' Don't worry poptix, we _all_ knew just what you intended to do.... > >> Jima > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Apr 30 20:08:14 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <004a01c30f2c$695d84a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030430160846.GB1059@iucha.net> Message-ID: <00b601c30f7e$244b5ac0$0201a8c0@brinstar> > Oh, yes I can. I can quote your whole e-mail in a reply to a > mailing list. You're right. You can. Just like I can make and distribute copies of Windows. But that doesn't make it legal. Think about it this way: The creator of a work holds the copyright. What rights you have to use that work are determined by copyright law. You need to think about why you have a right to do something, not why it could be illegal. The real question is this: What gives me the right to publish someone else's copyrighted work? That question can likely only be answered adequately by your attorney and ultimately by the courts. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Apr 30 20:14:19 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> <004301c30ed4$0c2d5920$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3EAFEAB5.9030904@cleosci.com> <20030430192556.GA9319@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c30f7e$fdd5a980$0201a8c0@brinstar> David Blevins writes: > Do you have any references of this? Not doubting, just sounds like > interested reading. http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/copyright.html http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/ http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Apr 30 20:40:11 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <00bf01c30f7e$fdd5a980$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: I put a poll up this morning, if anyone has an opinion please vote. So far 10 people have voted, and there is a definite opinion among the group. http://www.mn-linux.org -Brian Senior Legacy Poll Technologist _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Apr 30 20:44:53 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <00b601c30f7e$244b5ac0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <004a01c30f2c$695d84a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030430160846.GB1059@iucha.net> <00b601c30f7e$244b5ac0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030501014453.GB19057@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 08:08:14PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > You're right. You can. Just like I can make and distribute copies of > Windows. But that doesn't make it legal. How does this pertain to the current discussion? Did Microsoft publish a copy of Windows in a public forum? > Think about it this way: The creator of a work holds the copyright. What > rights you have to use that work are determined by copyright law. You need > to think about why you have a right to do something, not why it could be > illegal. And once you've released something into the public domain you can't simply change your mind and retract it. > > The real question is this: What gives me the right to publish someone else's > copyrighted work? If you stand up in the middle of a group of people to make a statement, and that meeting is being videotaped, do you think you have any right to demand that anyone with a copy of that video tape erase the parts in which you participated? It's essentially the same thing. The person making the request in this case has joined a public forum, that they were well aware is archived, and indexed by search engines. This person made a statement that [for some reason] they wish to retract. Now, do you think that _any_ court would order a [large] group of people to erase portions of a recording made in public on the whim of a person who made a statement they wish to essentially erase? If it were possible, former president Clinton would be demanding that everyone erase their copy of the 'No, I did not have sex with that woman' statements. Trent Lott would have immediately demanded that nobody repeat his copyrighted works from Strom Thurmond's birthday event. Point: You have to think before you speak, and be prepared to have it follow you around for the rest of your life, maybe longer. > That question can likely only be answered adequately by your attorney and > ultimately by the courts. Common sense can go a long way though. > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Apr 30 21:15:18 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <004a01c30f2c$695d84a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030430160846.GB1059@iucha.net> <00b601c30f7e$244b5ac0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030501014453.GB19057@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <000601c30f87$82901c70$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > And once you've released something into the public domain you can't > simply change your mind and retract it. Posting a message to a mailing list does not make it public domain. What makes you think that it does? > If you stand up in the middle of a group of people to make a > statement, and that meeting is being videotaped, do you think you > have any right to demand that anyone with a copy of that video tape > erase the parts in which you participated? A public performance is likely different than a written work. My guess is that the content would be copyrighted, while the performance would not be. I believe that the person who shot the video would hold the copyright on the video. Of course, that doesn't mean you can video tape a copyrighted movie and claim it as your own. > It's essentially the same thing. The person making the request in > this case has joined a public forum, that they were well aware is > archived, and > indexed by search engines. This person made a statement that [for > some reason] they wish to retract. I'm not aware of any legal precedent that gives implicit consent for a message to be used in this manner. Even if this were true, it is conceivable that the consent could be revoked later. This is different from a printed book. A book is copied once when it is printed. A web archive is copied everytime it is accessed. > Now, do you think that _any_ court would order a [large] group of > people to erase portions of a recording made in public on the whim of > a person who made a statement they wish to essentially erase? Again, this is a completely different issue. Having a copy of something and copying / publishing something are very different. You need to understand that distinction. > Point: You have to think before you speak, and be prepared to have it > follow you around for the rest of your life, maybe longer. That is irrelevant to this discussion. You need to answer the question: What right do you have to publish someone's copyrighted work (in this case, a message)? -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at jentges.net Wed Apr 30 21:26:00 2003 From: mj at jentges.net (Michael Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030501014453.GB19057@techmonkeys.org> References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <004a01c30f2c$695d84a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030430160846.GB1059@iucha.net> <00b601c30f7e$244b5ac0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030501014453.GB19057@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1971.199.199.150.6.1051755960.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> I don't know how much of this has to be announced, or stated somewhere in each case, but I recall some jibberish before each Twins game in my dads cigar smoke filled car that went something like... "No broadcast, rebroadcast, in whole or in part bla bla... without the express written consent of the Minnesota twins..." (the game was broadcast on wcco AM radio) You can't have cameras or tape recorders at a concert. While I've seen it printed on the tickets occasionally, it's not always there but I've never seen those devices allowed in to these events, which take place in public facilities. I never heard Steve Tyler, Billy Joel, or any of the others I've seen come right out and say this on stage, yet no cameras, recorders, ever. .02 -mj And hence AUTHOR wrote: Matthew S. Hallacy > On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 08:08:14PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > >> You're right. You can. Just like I can make and distribute copies of >> Windows. But that doesn't make it legal. > > How does this pertain to the current discussion? Did Microsoft publish a > copy of Windows in a public forum? > >> Think about it this way: The creator of a work holds the copyright. >> What rights you have to use that work are determined by copyright law. >> You need to think about why you have a right to do something, not why >> it could be illegal. > > And once you've released something into the public domain you can't > simply change your mind and retract it. > >> >> The real question is this: What gives me the right to publish someone >> else's copyrighted work? > > If you stand up in the middle of a group of people to make a statement, > and that meeting is being videotaped, do you think you have any right > to demand that anyone with a copy of that video tape erase the parts in > which you participated? > > It's essentially the same thing. The person making the request in this > case has joined a public forum, that they were well aware is archived, > and indexed by search engines. This person made a statement that [for > some reason] they wish to retract. > > Now, do you think that _any_ court would order a [large] group of people > to erase portions of a recording made in public on the whim of a person > who made a statement they wish to essentially erase? > > If it were possible, former president Clinton would be demanding that > everyone erase their copy of the 'No, I did not have sex with that > woman' statements. Trent Lott would have immediately demanded that > nobody repeat his copyrighted works from Strom Thurmond's birthday > event. > > > Point: You have to think before you speak, and be prepared to have it > follow you around for the rest of your life, maybe longer. > > >> That question can likely only be answered adequately by your attorney >> and ultimately by the courts. > > Common sense can go a long way though. > >> -- >> David Phillips >> http://david.acz.org/ > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH > Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key > 0x01938203 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --------------------- Jentges.NET, Inc. Voice: 763.783.3702 Cell: 763.370.1201 --------------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 30 21:33:10 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <1971.199.199.150.6.1051755960.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <004a01c30f2c$695d84a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030430160846.GB1059@iucha.net> <00b601c30f7e$244b5ac0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030501014453.GB19057@techmonkeys.org> <1971.199.199.150.6.1051755960.squirrel@webmail.jentges.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Michael Jentges wrote: > I never heard Steve Tyler, Billy Joel, or any of the others I've seen > come right out and say this on stage, yet no cameras, recorders, ever. That's not *always* true -- for example, I've seen televised U2 concerts where when they pan over the crowd, all you see are camera flashes. Of course, it could just be a whole lot of people smuggling them in.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Apr 30 21:33:24 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <000601c30f87$82901c70$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <200304300707.h3U77eL09039@zjod.net> <20030430142828.GA5321@skuld.wookimus.net> <35567.65.165.40.9.1051714564.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> <004a01c30f2c$695d84a0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030430160846.GB1059@iucha.net> <00b601c30f7e$244b5ac0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030501014453.GB19057@techmonkeys.org> <000601c30f87$82901c70$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030501023324.GB1776@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 09:15:18PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > A public performance is likely different than a written work. My guess is > that the content would be copyrighted, while the performance would not be. > I believe that the person who shot the video would hold the copyright on the > video. Of course, that doesn't mean you can video tape a copyrighted movie > and claim it as your own. The email was sent to a public list, with no expectations of privacy. The person sending the email published it by clicking the send button -- not only to the list, but to the archives as well. > I'm not aware of any legal precedent that gives implicit consent for a > message to be used in this manner. Even if this were true, it is > conceivable that the consent could be revoked later. I've heard of a few cases like this, and none of them made it to court. > This is different from a printed book. A book is copied once when it is > printed. A web archive is copied everytime it is accessed. Not necessarily, an e-book is not copied every time it's read, and the owner maintains the copyright. > Again, this is a completely different issue. Having a copy of something and > copying / publishing something are very different. You need to understand > that distinction. By sending the message to the list they caused the message to be copied to every person on the list, and into the archives. Nobody infringed in their rights, they knowingly made the decision to do it. > That is irrelevant to this discussion. You need to answer the question: > What right do you have to publish someone's copyrighted work (in this case, > a message)? Read above, nobody but the original author caused thair material to be published to the list, or the archives. This is why every magazine with a 'user feedback' section clearly states that 'all letters sent to become the sole property of ', you cannot say 'hey, i changed my mind, it was stupid to say that' then try to retroactively have every copy of that magazine changed. I won't reply to anymore messages in this thread on-list. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Apr 30 22:37:31 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 natecars@real-time.com wrote: > That's not *always* true -- for example, I've seen televised U2 concerts > where when they pan over the crowd, all you see are camera flashes. This is going OT, but typically when they say no cameras they mean no professional-looking cameras. Usually the concert promoters/copyright holders aren't concerned about consumer grade photos. I've worked a few large shows before, and I've never seen anyone's 35mm camera taken away, even when searched at the door. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Apr 30 23:02:40 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030501023324.GB1776@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On 2003-04-30 21:33:24 -0500 Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Not necessarily, an e-book is not copied every time it's read, and > the owner > maintains the copyright. Just a touch of devils advocate here: But couldn't that author require the downstream distributors of said e-book to take the download off line at his/her choosing? > Read above, nobody but the original author caused thair material to be > published to the list, or the archives. > > This is why every magazine with a 'user feedback' section clearly > states that 'all letters sent to become the sole property > of ', you cannot say 'hey, i changed my mind, it > was stupid > to say that' then try to retroactively have every copy of that > magazine > changed. Yet another precedent for the previously mentioned note in the terms of the list. > > I won't reply to anymore messages in this thread on-list. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From burns at runbox.com Wed Apr 30 23:24:07 2003 From: burns at runbox.com (Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <239215888.20030430232407@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Bob, Tuesday, April 29, 2003, 11:05:48 PM, you wrote: > I have a Request for Comment (RFC). > > I received a request from someone to remove several posts from the > tclug-list archives. > > Some time has pasted and this person has realized how comments made > years ago can come back to haunt you when posted to a public forum. > They said all the right things about being stupid, child-like, etc. > > Now, my RFC. Should posts be expunged from the archives? I don't > mean to punish this person, but at the same time those posts are > part of tclug's history and the Internet's history in general. > > Just because it was bad/wrong/improper doesn't mean it's not part > of our history. Right? > > Please direct comments to the list. > > And pollmaster, this would be a good poll. :-) > > > Bob Tanner > > A little info from: Virtual Legality: An Overview of Your Rights and Responsibilities in Cyberspace by Steven J. McDonald, former Associate Legal Counsel, Ohio State University http://www.cio.ohio-state.edu/policies/legality.html ========================================== Excerpt (fair use, I hope): "An implied license may exist if the copyright owner has acted in such a way that it is reasonable for you to assume that you may make a particular use. For example, if you are the moderator of a mailing list and someone sends you a message for that list, it?s reasonable to assume that you may post the message to the list, even if its author didn?t expressly say that you may do so. The copyright owner can always "revoke" an implied license, however, simply by saying that further use is prohibited." ========================================== - -- Best, Randy burns@runbox.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1-nr1 (Windows Me) - GPGshell v2.70 iD8DBQE+sKE1hNLaTSzsrh8RAq5RAJwI9wU4aY9imhOSALsB8OITNaGPiQCdE6oq jC1W6SHv+DWhSD0tD69wSfI= =8To+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Apr 30 23:43:40 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:05:48PM -0500 References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030430234340.G11608@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:05:48PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Now, my RFC. Should posts be expunged from the archives? I'm also opposed to purging the archives on request. As Bob (Mr. Tanner?) appears to suggest, it would be best if we could reach agreement on tclug-list policy without involving lawyers. Escalating a flamewar into a lawsuit would be exceedingly lame. -- Joel Schneider IYXQA - www.yanxinqigong.net joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Wed Apr 30 12:41:56 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.2 Boot: Network Needs to be started manually In-Reply-To: <102e01c30f53$35eb2150$0201a8c0@office> References: <102e01c30f53$35eb2150$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <33151.192.168.2.243.1051724516.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Are you using DHCP? In theory, a reboot shouldn't be necessary to bring up the network. Another alternative to using the GUI Service Configurator would be to use the following at a prompt. # service network restart The above command will start the network even if it is currently down and it should be a lot faster than a reboot. Mark Courtney > > I have had problems on and off in booting up my RH7.2 system where the > network just does not exist. By that I mean, I can ping the localhost, I > can ping the internal IP of the card, but I can not ping any neighboring > machine on the internal network. So ... rather than trouble shooting it > ... I just reboot the system and MOST of the time that works ... other > times it has taken several reboots until it finally restarts. This time > ... it did not and I had to manually go into the service configuration gui > ... and restart the Network there. > > So .. what I did is as follows: I went to the service configuration gui and > started the NetWork process there. It is checked to start at boot ... but > for some reason it did not. Once I restarted it, there was no problem. > > Anyone else had this problem and have a fix for it? I checked the boot log > and eth0 comes up fine ... no real warnings or errors indicated there ... > but just no network. > > Comments or thoughts appreciated. > > Randy > > "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of > comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - > Martin Luther King, Jr. > > ph: 218-385-3750 > fax:218-385-3751 > email: rclark@lakesplus.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Wed Apr 30 13:42:43 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030430042048.GA25384@therub.org> References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> <20030430042048.GA25384@therub.org> Message-ID: <36556.192.168.2.243.1051728163.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I'm going to agree with Dan, who was the first to reply to this lengthy thread. > Could we remove the identifying information (name, email), and leave the > comments? Simple solution, the poster isn't identifiable, and nobody has to call their lawyer. I am, however, against removing posts from the archives. Mark Courtney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Wed Apr 30 10:58:33 2003 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3EAFF2A9.4040303@bitstream.net> Bob Tanner wrote: >Some time has pasted and this person has realized how comments made years ago >can come back to haunt you when posted to a public forum. They said all the >right things about being stupid, child-like, etc. > >Now, my RFC. Should posts be expunged from the archives? I don't mean to punish >this person, but at the same time those posts are part of tclug's history and >the Internet's history in general. > >Just because it was bad/wrong/improper doesn't mean it's not part of our >history. Right? > If enough time has passed between when the stuff was posted and now I'd say let it go. Defining "enough time" is open to interpretation. Personally I'd say if the post is at least two years old then fine - honor the request. If he was a dumbass yesterday then he should have to live with it for a while. But if it was quite a while ago then let it go. I'm just thinking of the reasoning for his request. I'm guessing that he's worried potential employers may see the past post and write him off as an imbecile. Regardless of the fact that there's a google cache, give the guy a break. I've said and done some pretty stupid things a few years back too. This guy just made the mistake of doing them in a more public forum. I'm not sure why this is turning into a legal discussion. I'm thinking more along the lines of forgive and forget, do unto others, etc... That's all I got. --Chad _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Wed Apr 30 22:53:10 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RFC: Removing past posts? In-Reply-To: <000401c30faf$ea65a810$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030429230548.V27933@real-time.com> <20030430042048.GA25384@therub.org> <36556.192.168.2.243.1051728163.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <000401c30faf$ea65a810$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <38334.192.168.2.243.1051761190.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> > Mark Courtney writes: >> Simple solution, the poster isn't identifiable, and nobody has to call >> their lawyer. I am, however, against removing posts from the archives. > > That would be as legal as placing a bunch of copyrighted MP3s on your > website and naming them "anonymous". If I remove your name from a > copyrighted work, it must not belong to you anymore, right? > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ OK. Maybe that isn't such a good idea. Can I remove that post from the archives? 8-) The ironic part of that is, the post isn't identifiable. If you hear a Bob Dylan song, you know it's Bob Dylan. If you hear a Greazy Meal song, you know it's Greazy Meal. Aside from the e-mail address and name of the poster, there's no easy way to find out who is responsible for the post. If the identifying info was removed from the post, that would protect the poster's privacy and still keep the archives in tact. This perhaps isn't the "legal" solution, but it would protect everyones best interests. Mark Courtney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at argle.org Mon Apr 28 09:58:02 2003 From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QT/KDE? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We are using Java at work. It doesn't quite cure everything, but it is certainly a lot easier to do application level work in than C[++]/perl/tcl. I don't really know how it compares with Python as I haven't had a good excuse for a Python project yet. OTOH, Ocaml cures everything :) On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > I have the common cold. > > Does anyone have some Java? > I hear it cures everything... > > ;-) > > >>> mthoren@mttcc.com 04/28/03 09:01AM >>> > Java is easy to use, lots of documentation and examples, easy to deploy, > easy to maintain. That is why it is popular. This is why I suggest > to my clients -- and many of my clients have this in place already -- > that all new code be written in Java and any migration should be done to > Java. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Daniel Taylor dante@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 24 21:27:25 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG at the Strictly Business Expo Message-ID: <20030425022725.GC13901@fandre.com> Today more than ever, technology buyers are presented with the extraordinary challenge of evaluating effectiveness, predicting longevity and demonstrating an impressive ROI. With a reputation for facilitating business relationships within Minnesota's IT community, Strictly Business features the latest innovations and provides a convenient, comprehensive forum for making purchasing decisions. Join us, TCLUG this May 14 & 15 in booth #439 at the Minneapolis Convention Center to compare, contrast and develop your business strategies. VISIT www.strictlybusinessexpo.com for FREE registration and details. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Apr 28 15:23:54 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:37:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Strictly Business Expo Message-ID: <20030428202354.GH21108@fandre.com> If you haven't heard, the TCLUG will be at the Strictly Business Expo on May 14th and 15th. We are still looking for a few more volunteers to run the booths, so send me an email if you are interested. Also, I have a ton of free tickets to the Expo. If you want me to send you some tickets, just send me a self-address stamped envelope. Clay Fandre 2646 138th Ave NW Andover, MN 55304 I'm not sure if we are having a monthly meeting this Saturday or not. I won't be able to make it, but if someone has something they want to talk about, just let me know. I could figure a way to get the tickets to the meeting so you could pick them up there. -- Clay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From estabroo at talkware.net Tue Apr 1 00:21:05 2003 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Via C3 Processors References: <1030468984.26638.27.camel@client10> <20020829085440.551903fa.rudie@rudie.net> Message-ID: <3D6F70DB.8010602@talkware.net> K Hinze wrote: > On 27 Aug 2002 12:23:04 -0500 > Brent Metzler wrote: > > >>I just noticed on the back of the latest Tiger Direct catalog that >>they were selling Via C3 processors. In fact, they were only $20 >>more then a comparable Duron mhz wise. >> >>I haven't heard of the C3 processor before. Does anyone know >>anything about it? What makes it special? Is it worth the extra >>money? >> >>Their product page (http://www.via.com.tw/en/viac3/c3.jsp) claims >>that it's Linux compatible. >> >>It looks like with the right hardware this could be made into a >>small quiet thinstation for the living room. >> >>Any thoughts? > > > Via bought Cyrix a while back and have tried to revive the > bargain-basement chip manufacturer. I had a few old CyrixInstead PR225 > and PR300 chips back then, PR standing for Pentium Rated. They were > socket 7 chips that ran incredibly hot. They weren't the stablest > chips on the block, and my boxes had a tendency to eat CPU fans. (one > fan warped its piece of spring steel so bad it lost its spring, and > the fan simply fell off). > I believe the via c3 is aimed at the settop/home appliance market and is designed to run without a cpu fan (as long as there is sufficient airflow through the appliance), it still needs a heat sink. Double check that though I don't want to be responsible for burning out a cpu. I've played with 3 of them before the c3 was officially released. The initial batch wasn't very stable, but the later ones ran without any problems I noticed. Initially they weren't supported by the linux kernel as they identified themselves by the core of another company that via bought out (Centaur I believe). That was in earlier 2.4 kernels. It should be supported now. The 600Mhz version was on par with a p3 450. 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Maybe they should switch to Vorbis, which I > think sounds decent in stereo at 56kbit/s. > Uhm, they netcast in stereo so they can sound better over the net than over the air. It would be nice if they switched to vorbis though it might confuse some of the audience. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Apr 1 00:45:24 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Swedish Hijacker Foiled" In-Reply-To: <200208300114.09048.joelr@ellegon.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > I have an amazing coincidence to report: the Swedish hijacker is an Arab, > travelling to an Islamic conference, in Birmingham, England. Was he using Linux? -Yaron -- From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Tue Apr 1 00:48:51 2003 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (nassarsa@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Swedish Hijacker Foiled" In-Reply-To: <200208300114.09048.joelr@ellegon.com> References: <200208300114.09048.joelr@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <3305.162.96.115.114.1030751968.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2224395.stm > > I have an amazing coincidence to report: the Swedish hijacker is an > Arab, travelling to an Islamic conference, in Birmingham, England. > > Who wudda thunk it? > > -- > Under the existing [Arab] regimes, the fight against corruption is like > a fighting capitalism in the U.S. or Catholicism in the Vatican. > -- Dr. Abd Al-Wahhab Al-Effendi First of all, it it is thought, not thunk. Second, for racist comments I believe they have other mailing lists. I refer you to: Aryan Nation, Knights of the KKK, and White Aryan resistance. I believe you can find that trash by googling. They all seem to be equal opportunity racists though, so YMMV. Third, I missed the Linux relevance of the article, I would be greatly appreciative if you'd point that out. Fourth, in order to spare the rest of the list, how about just forgetting this incident happened and not talk about it? It'll be our secret and we won't talk about it again. Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET "Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds" From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 1 01:28:09 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake mirror maintainer Message-ID: <20020926101050.A11476@real-time.com> I'm looking for a mandrake mirror maintainer. We got lots of disk space now, so I'd like to become an official mirror for mandrake. Mail me off-list. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From feedback at planetxbox.com Tue Apr 1 02:44:33 2003 From: feedback at planetxbox.com (feedback) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] For complete offer rules. Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030401/7f7a424c/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: audio/x-midi Size: 95490 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030401/7f7a424c/attachment.bin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I started by using fdisk to delete the partitions on /dev/hdf, then created one large partition that used the entire disk. Next I formatted the new partition as ext2 and then created a journal on it (making it ext3 right?). I can manually mount this new partition like this: # mount /dev/hdf1 /max2 It seems to work just fine. When I reboot I end up needing to enter the root password and drop into an administrative mode. When using the "User Mount Tool" in GNOME, I am able to mount and unmount /max1 without problems, but I am unable to mount /max2. Here is my /etc/fstab file: # cat /etc/fstab LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 LABEL=/max1 /max1 ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/max2 /max2 ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 # dmesg |grep hd Kernel command line: ro root=/dev/hda2 ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfc90-0xfc97, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0xfc98-0xfc9f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio ide2: BM-DMA at 0xfcc0-0xfcc7, BIOS settings: hde:DMA, hdf:DMA ide3: BM-DMA at 0xfcc8-0xfccf, BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio hda: Maxtor 86480D6, ATA DISK drive hdc: NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:28B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hde: MAXTOR 4K080H4, ATA DISK drive hdf: MAXTOR 4K080H4, ATA DISK drive hda: 12594960 sectors (6449 MB) w/256KiB Cache, CHS=787/255/63, UDMA(33) hde: 156301487 sectors (80026 MB) w/2000KiB Cache, CHS=155060/16/63, UDMA(100) hdf: 156301487 sectors (80026 MB) w/2000KiB Cache, CHS=155060/16/63, UDMA(100) hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 > hde: hde1 hdf: hdf1 hdc: ATAPI 32X CD-ROM drive, 256kB Cache, DMA What am I missing?? I am using GRUB for my bootloader. Is there something I need to configure there? Thanks, Mike From skodak at cs.umn.edu Tue Apr 1 02:58:01 2003 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Running shell command from a C program Message-ID: Hi, I want to run a command "mv file1.log file2.log" from a program. I tried system("mv file1.log file2.log"); but it is coredumping sometimes. I saw the man page and it said that we should not use system() in programs which is created and compiled bu superuser. Is there any other way in which I can do this?? Thanks for the help in advance. Sreekumar From amy at real-time.com Tue Apr 1 03:10:35 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] htdig and SSL support Message-ID: <20020927131151.H32737@real-time.com> I'm working with htdig for the first time and am having trouble getting it to index SSL sites. I'm running htdig-3.2.0-2.011302 (RedHat RPM). apache logs show this: [Wed Sep 25 10:12:30 2002] [error] mod_ssl: SSL handshake failed: HTTP spoken on HTTPS port; trying to send HTML error page (OpenSSL library error follows) [Wed Sep 25 10:12:30 2002] [error] OpenSSL: error:1407609C:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:http request [Hint: speaking HTTP to HTTPS port!?] Is SSL support broken in this version of htdig? A quick search of the htdig mailing list archives turned up some posts about problems with SSL but no definitive answer. And I couldn't find any more recent RedHat RPMs. Are there any other indexing packages I should consider? Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I find the same thing when I make manual (telnet host 25) attempts at connections, and when I do it on my other server for comparison I get snappy responses (to the exact same end-point, so I'm keeping other environmental things close to the same, only seconds between the attempts). So the issue would seem NOT to be the MTA install/config on the two systems (qmail, for those who care anyway), but *something* else about them. Both are running RedHat 7.2 with lots of updates. They both have dual IPs (one static, one local) on one NIC, they're plugged into adjacent ports on the same hub eventually connected to the DSL line. A prophylactic reboot made no difference (not very surprising, but now I don't have to worry about it). So what else should I be checking? Oh, load average is 2.0 on a system running 2 copies of seti-at-home, i.e. no load to mention beyond that (dual-processor system). No swapping going on (640MB of memory on that one). -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 1 03:57:44 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some web sites unacessable In-Reply-To: <1033151925.975.13.camel@maximus> Message-ID: On 27 Sep 2002, John Hawley wrote: > Did something change in the kernel between 2.4.17 and 18 concerning > ICMP fragmentation? I've been noticing (and getting complaints from > local users) that some web sites are unaccessable. Sounds like the > problem of some ISP's / routers not allowing ICMP fragmentation > packets. I checked some of my firewalls and the problem appears to > show up on kernels 2.4.18 and higher. > > Anyway, the work around according to kernel documentation is to add > this line to the iptables rule set: > > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN \ > -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu > > This does appear to work for clients behind the firewall going to the > Net. However, this does not fix the problem for the fw box itself. > > Anyone else run into this and find a fix? got tcp ecn enabled? cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn if it's 1, set it to 0. read the kernel docs for reasons why.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Apr 1 03:58:02 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FW: Enroll through O'Reilly by the September 30th deadline! Message-ID: <000301c26664$0e3f2fe0$6b01a8c0@HPZT> FYI.. these 4 online courses by O'Reilly lead to certificate and CEUs from U IL for linux.. I think these are much better than Red Hat's courses - and much cheaper (been there, done some of that)! (I have nothing to gain by suggesting this) -----Original Message----- From: Tricia Mills Gray [mailto:billing@useractive.com] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:09 PM To: cncole@earthlink.net Subject: Enroll through O'Reilly by the September 30th deadline! Hello, I noticed that you have enrolled in at least one (online) course in a University of Illinois Certificate series through UserActive. Good for you! You are on your way to gaining highly-coveted skillsets in the job market. If you have not yet enrolled for the four-course Linux/Unix System Administration series, the instructions for enrolling in subsequent courses have been copied at the bottom of this email for your convenience. This is just a friendly reminder that September 30th is the LAST DAY to receive the special O'Reilly 50% discount price of $249 for each Linux/Unix course. --> Remember, as long as you sign up for all the Linux/Unix courses by September 30th, you will receive the discount for ALL FOUR COURSES. *** That's a savings of $996 ***! --> If you sign up for more than one course at a time, you will NOT be expected to take the courses concurrently. Don't miss this chance to get certified by the University of Illinois in Linux/Unix System Administration! Thanks, Tricia Mills Gray UserActive, Inc. billing@useractive.com ****************************************************************** To enroll, go to: https://useractive.com/cgi-bin/upgrade/upgrade.cgi?CERTIFICATE=1 From nate-tclug at refried.org Tue Apr 1 04:28:19 2003 From: nate-tclug at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] some web sites unacessable In-Reply-To: <1033151925.975.13.camel@maximus> References: <1033151925.975.13.camel@maximus> Message-ID: <20020927232209.GA21272@refried.org> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 01:38:44PM -0500, John Hawley wrote: > Did something change in the kernel between 2.4.17 and 18 concerning ICMP > fragmentation? I've been noticing (and getting complaints from local > users) that some web sites are unaccessable. IIRC, ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification) was turns on by default. This causes problems with some firewalls (that haven't been upgraded). Jeff Garzik has a web page with details about this. To turn it off `echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn` Nate From wilson at visi.com Tue Apr 1 04:52:11 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CompactFlash reader compatibility w/ Linux Message-ID: <20020928044148.GA9065@isis.visi.com> Hi everyone, I'd like to buy a CF card reader, but the only explicit mention of Linux compatibility I can find is with the SanDisk SDDR-31 and SDDR-33 models. As luck would have it, these particular models must be very shy for they are apparently rarely seen in the wild. Almost everyone has a different SanDisk product, the ImageMate Dual Reader, which has a package that says nothing about Linux on it. Can anyone recommend a CF card reader that definitely works flawlessly with Linux? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Tue Apr 1 05:43:17 2003 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proftpd unable to determine ip Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F39402E6B5F4@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I am trying to get proftpd working. When I start it by typing proftpd it comes back and says "unable to determine ip address of 'dhcp-112-156'" which I beleive is the name that is assigned to me by ATTBI. I have had proftp working in the past but have reloaded my system since then so this is a new install. I am running RH7.2. I have done a google search without much luck. I believe the solution is to tell proftp the ip address but I have not figured out how to do it. I would appreciate any help with this. TIA John Miller From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 1 05:49:27 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New tclug-gamepak Message-ID: <20020929110529.P20409@real-time.com> New release of tclug-gamepak is out. Upgraded the crossfire client. * Sat Sep 28 2002 Bob Tanner + crossfire-client-1.4.0-realtime.1 - upgrade to 1.4.0 - http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=13833&release_id=110812 Apt sources.list http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/downloads/sources.list -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I >see posts come in and (supposedly go out), but I'm not getting them in my inbox. pong > >I see the logs show > > delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:05 > >So, it's not being delay too long. > >Anyone have any ideas? > >Sent this 09/29/2002 at 15:30 > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 >http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. >Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am lost John -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Sun 9/29/2002 6:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FW: Proftpd unable to determine ip Quoting Miller, John (John.Miller@rbcdain.com): > I sent this at 10:05 this am and have not seen it posted so I am reposting > it. > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Miller, John > Sent: Sun 9/29/2002 10:05 AM > To: TCLUG List > Cc: > Subject: Proftpd unable to determine ip > > I am trying to get proftpd working. When I start it by typing proftpd it > comes back and says "unable to determine ip address of 'dhcp-112-156'" which I > beleive is the name that is assigned to me by ATTBI. I have had proftp > working in the past but have reloaded my system since then so this is a new > install. I am running RH7.2. Try adding dhcp-112-156 and the right IP address to your /etc/hosts file. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am lost any other thoughts Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Sun 9/29/2002 6:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FW: Proftpd unable to determine ip Quoting Miller, John (John.Miller@rbcdain.com): > I sent this at 10:05 this am and have not seen it posted so I am reposting > it. > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Miller, John > Sent: Sun 9/29/2002 10:05 AM > To: TCLUG List > Cc: > Subject: Proftpd unable to determine ip > > I am trying to get proftpd working. When I start it by typing proftpd it > comes back and says "unable to determine ip address of 'dhcp-112-156'" which I > beleive is the name that is assigned to me by ATTBI. I have had proftp > working in the past but have reloaded my system since then so this is a new > install. I am running RH7.2. Try adding dhcp-112-156 and the right IP address to your /etc/hosts file. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: I should read more carefully before asking for help. :-( Please disregard the last message. From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Apr 1 10:16:55 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTP Servers at UMN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005001c268a7$e191c890$6b01a8c0@HPZT> Why not go to a real standard like the Naval Observatory or NIST who specialize in public and precise time?? They also provide FAQs/software for getting sync done. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson > > > Good afternoon! > > I read a list of time servers on this page: > > http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock2.htm > > and I see there are a couple of UMN servers > listed. Under "Access Policy" it says "open > access, please send message to notify". > It doesn't list an email address for the admin(s) > of the box, and I'd like to get it to the right > folks the first time, if at all possible. So, does > anyone know here the email address to send > notifications to? > > Thanks in advance, > > Troy From hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com Tue Apr 1 10:17:52 2003 From: hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com (Brandon Hutchinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 8.0 apt repository open In-Reply-To: <20020930112149.B17007@real-time.com> References: <20020930112149.B17007@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1033407582.1205.3.camel@hutch.cscoe.accenture.com> Looks like freshrpms.net already has their 8.0 apt repository up and running. http://apt.freshrpms.net/ http://psyche.freshrpms.net/ Hopefully it works okay with 8.0 :) Brandon On Mon, 2002-09-30 at 11:21, Bob Tanner wrote: > The 8.0 apt repository is open as well. > > Update your sources.list here: > > http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/downloads/sources.list > > > I've heard rumors that apt may not work with 8.0, and I've not tried it. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Apr 1 10:25:52 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTP Servers at UMN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: did you try dig and looking for email address there? Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Tue Apr 1 11:08:39 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTP Servers at UMN Message-ID: nts@nts.umn.edu would be your best bet to start. -john >>> troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us 09/30/02 12:21PM >>> Good afternoon! I read a list of time servers on this page: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock2.htm and I see there are a couple of UMN servers listed. Under "Access Policy" it says "open access, please send message to notify". It doesn't list an email address for the admin(s) of the box, and I'd like to get it to the right folks the first time, if at all possible. So, does anyone know here the email address to send notifications to? Thanks in advance, Troy _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030401/25e94a90/attachment.htm From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Tue Apr 1 11:11:08 2003 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTP Servers at UMN Message-ID: yup, just checked that website... US MN ns.nts.umn.edu (128.101.101.101) Location: Minneapolis, MN Synchronization: NTP secondary (stratum 2), Sun/SunOS 4.1.3 Service Area: CICNET region Access Policy: open access, please send a message to notify. Networking & Telecommunications Services (nts@nts.umn.edu) Note: select one of ns.nts.umn.edu or nss.nts.umn.edu to equalize load [bold is mine] -john :::: John Hoffoss :: hoffossj@facm.umn.edu :: (desk) 612 / 626-1087 Systems Support Analyst :: (mobile) 612 / 867-1432 Facilities Management / Information Services :: University of Minnesota Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare. >>> troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us 09/30/02 12:21PM >>> Good afternoon! I read a list of time servers on this page: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock2.htm and I see there are a couple of UMN servers listed. Under "Access Policy" it says "open access, please send message to notify". It doesn't list an email address for the admin(s) of the box, and I'd like to get it to the right folks the first time, if at all possible. So, does anyone know here the email address to send notifications to? Thanks in advance, Troy _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030401/dfbd8c96/attachment.html From joelr at ellegon.com Tue Apr 1 11:42:43 2003 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTFS In-Reply-To: <3D97AF26.4030704@attbi.com> References: <3D97AF26.4030704@attbi.com> Message-ID: <200209301559.04426.joelr@ellegon.com> On Sunday 29 September 2002 08:55 pm, nightcanton@attbi.com wrote: > Has anyone one successfully able to see an NTFS partiaion in any version > of Linux? Just thought I would ask since I need Linux to see a 100GB > NTFS partition. > > > > Take it easy, > The most reliable way, in my experience -- assuming you want read-write -- is to run VMware under Linux, and share the partition via SMB. -- EARL GREY PROFILES NAME: Jean-Luc Perriwinkle Picard OCCUPATION: Starship Big Cheese AGE: 94 BIRTHPLACE: Paris, Terra Sector EYES: Grey SKIN: Tanned HAIR: Not much LAST MAGAZINE READ: Lobes 'n' Probes, the Ferengi-Betazoid Sex Quarterly TEA: Earl Grey. Hot. EARL GREY NEVER VARIES. ------------------------------------------------------------ http://islamthereligionofpeace.blogspot.com From thaddad at semitool.com Tue Apr 1 11:52:28 2003 From: thaddad at semitool.com (thaddad) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Questionnaire Message-ID: <200209302113.g8ULCtK12818@sprite.real-time.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, does > anyone know here the email address to send > notifications to? > > Thanks in advance, > > Troy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From BJohn224 at aol.com Tue Apr 1 13:32:33 2003 From: BJohn224 at aol.com (BJohn224) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A very powful tool Message-ID: <200210161859.OAA05574@smtp9.quixnet.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030401/7d7ec8cb/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Veldhouse From erik at ehanson.net Tue Apr 1 14:00:42 2003 From: erik at ehanson.net (erik@ehanson.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exim vs qmail Message-ID: Hello all, I am planning on setting up a small mailerver and I would like to use qmail or exim for the mta. I do not want to use sendmail because it is big and complicated and I just don't want to. So I was wondering what experience you all had with exim and/or qmail and which you all thought would be best. Thanks. Oh. I would like someting that it is easy to configure, easy to maintain, and easy to set up vertual domains with. Other than that I don't have a lot of criteria. From cdf123 at cdf123.com Tue Apr 1 14:16:51 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WMA to (MP3/WAV)??? Message-ID: <1034803746.3184.30.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> any good ones out there? I can finally grab streaming content to disk, but lucky me, it's mostly WMA files. 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The basic situation is that I'd like to access a Web site that doesn't support SSL from a laptop running Win XP (with PuTTY) via an SSH connection to another machine that is running Linux. The machine running Linux, while it doesn't have a secure connection to the Web site either, is at least connected via a switched WAN. Here's a diagram: +--------+ +-----------+ +----------+ | Win XP | SSH tunnel | Linux box | WAN connection | Insecure | | laptop |---------------| running |-----------------| Web site | +--------+ | SSH | +----------+ +-----------+ Is this possible? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From follower at usfamily.net Wed Apr 2 00:06:02 2003 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free computers References: Message-ID: <3DAFE0CC.627909E1@usfamily.net> Were are the at. Like the address? *smile* Colin Kilbane wrote: > Hey folks I have 4 pentium 100 machines stacked up in the corner if any > one needs one. There is 1 ibm and 3 compaq deskpro systems. They are free > and first come first serve. > > Colin > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Apr 2 01:17:06 2003 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Recompile - Network Probs - RECAP Message-ID: <000a01c276c7$07f59660$0201a8c0@office> Thought I would pass on the results of my kernel recompile efforts and the problems I was having with the network after the kernel was recompiled. (posted a week or two ago) Recall that I was doing some work with making a new kernel for RH7.2 and an AMD XP 2100+ chip. I did the recompile myself, started up the new kernel and found that I no longer had a network connection. Everything had started fine, eth0 came up, etc. ... but I could not ping to the outside world. I even tried downloading the ATHLON kernel from RH with the appropriate updated modules, etc. and just installed that directly. Still ... NO networking ability. (networking is turned on in that kernel) I finally just physically removed the card, rebooted the system and deleted the drivers on bootup, then shutdown and rebooted again, this time with the card reinstalled, reinstalled the driver, same IP settings, etc. and ... the networking finally worked. No changes to the kernel, just a deletion and reinstall of the NIC to make it work. Does this seem a bit odd, or is it possible that I did something to cause this sort of problem? Comments appreciated! Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Excellence can be attained if you Care more than others think is wise, Risk more than others think is safe, Dream more than others think is practical, and Expect more than others think is possible." - Author Unknown ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030402/afc978de/attachment.html From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Wed Apr 2 05:31:14 2003 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New user added to my computer. Message-ID: <200210190015.g9J0F0S19561@ns1.stealthnetworking.com> I found a weird thing in my log files. Check this out. Oct 17 19:45:50 ns1 useradd[9782]: new group: name=vcsa, gid=69 Oct 17 19:45:50 ns1 useradd[9782]: new user: name=vcsa, uid=69, gid=69, home=/dev, shell=/sbin/nologin This showed up after I updated my system through the u2date command line utility. Is this a new user that needs to have an account on my system for some system task? Has any one else had this happend to their systems after a update from Red Hat? Jason Lanpher http://www.stealthnetworking.com jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com http://www.browncollege.edu jlanpher@staff.browncollege.edu Work: 651-905-3400 ext 311 From thomas at stderr.net Wed Apr 2 06:43:11 2003 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Server Behind A Firewall In-Reply-To: <63142.209.98.213.140.1034994005.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <63142.209.98.213.140.1034994005.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20021019025329.GC17998@pasiphae.stderr.net> On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 09:20:05PM -0500, Mark Courtney wrote: > > I have been trying to set up a DNS server behind a firewall and I have had > less than desirable results. > > I can successfully operate a Web server behind the firewall, by opening > TCP port 80, but the DNS server does not work even when opening port 53 > UPD and TCP. I have restarted named and reloaded the configuration after > placing the DNS server behind the firewall. > My domains do not resolve from other networks (ISP's) when I put the DNS > server behind the firewall. Does the firewall forward queries from the "old" ip to the ip behind your firewall? Or could you describe your setup? > I also use this DNS server as the primary for my local network. > > Is there a change that needs to be made to the named config files? First of all, does any of your domains resolve locally on your network? On the outside of your firewall? If not have you tried with tcpdump (or similar tools) to see if any of the packets are actually coming through? > Another port that needs to be opened? Port 53 UDP should be enough, although some large queries require TCP to be used. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM From emailist at udata.com Wed Apr 2 07:21:47 2003 From: emailist at udata.com (emailist) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have a humour Allhallowmas Message-ID: <20021019210532.CIYX20228.out009.verizon.net@Qmprf> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030402/bcf3a004/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: audio/x-wav Size: 88231 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030402/bcf3a004/attachment.wav -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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RH7.2 has ipchains support, but it doesn't come with ipmasqadm, which is needed for port-forwarding with ipchains. (Something I wasn't especially happy to discover when I switched my firewall to 7.2 -- oops.) > Temporarily, I turned off the firewall and had the masquerading turned on. > I also told the firewall software to let anything through that came from the > IP address I was making the call to. So, I had hoped that it would work > that way until I could work through the iptables issues. "Let anything through." Hmm. The problem here is that the firewall (probably) doesn't know that the packets coming in on its external interface need to be redirected to the Win2K box. To let the firewall know this, you need to forward some ports from the external interface of your firewall to the Win2K machine. > But ... it only partially worked. The people on the other end could see and > hear me fine. I could not hear nor see them, but the chat window would come > open, whiteboard was available, and they could share their desktop and I > could see it. I find it very odd that part of the signals would make it > through, while the rest were either blocked or did not make it in. I > checked the message log for the system and I did not see any dropped packets > from that IP address. It is my understanding that H.323 works on the > premise of randomly selecting a port number to spawn a connection for a > particular feature (I could be completely wrong on this .. but this is what > I believe I read some place on the web). I had to research this a few months ago, because a friend of mine needed NetMeeting to work behind a firewall I installed. From what I recall, your summary of how H.323 works is correct. You'll need to forward some ports using iptables. Here're the ones I have: tcp: 389, 522, 1503, 1720, 1731 udp: 1024-65535 The port H.323 randomly selects is UDP. Yes, I realize allowing all of those ports is a potential gaping security hole, which is why we filter carefully. Here's an example iptables script: --- snip --- #!/bin/bash # eth0 is external, eth1 is internal IPT=/sbin/iptables WIN=192.168.1.200 REMOTE=1.2.3.4/255.255.255.255 # masquerade traffic going out $IPT -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -s 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 -j ACCEPT # pass the packets from the external interface to the win2k box $IPT -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 389 -j DNAT --to $WIN $IPT -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 522 -j DNAT --to $WIN $IPT -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 1503 -j DNAT --to $WIN $IPT -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 1720 -j DNAT --to $WIN $IPT -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 1731 -j DNAT --to $WIN $IPT -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p udp --dport 1024: -j DNAT --to $WIN # only allow packets on those ports to the win2k box from the remote ip $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -p tcp -s $REMOTE\ -d ${WIN}/255.255.255.255 --dport 389 -j ACCEPT $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -p tcp -s $REMOTE\ -d ${WIN}/255.255.255.255 --dport 522 -j ACCEPT $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -p tcp -s $REMOTE\ -d ${WIN}/255.255.255.255 --dport 1503 -j ACCEPT $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -p tcp -s $REMOTE\ -d ${WIN}/255.255.255.255 --dport 1720 -j ACCEPT $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -p tcp -s $REMOTE\ -d ${WIN}/255.255.255.255 --dport 1731 -j ACCEPT $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -p udp -s $REMOTE\ -d ${WIN}/255.255.255.255 --dport 1024: -j ACCEPT # log and drop anything else $IPT -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,INVALID\ -j LOG --log-level warning --log-prefix "INPUT (new/invalid): " $IPT -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,INVALID\ -j DROP $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,INVALID\ -j LOG --log-level warning --log-prefix "FORWARD (new/invalid): " $IPT -A FORWARD -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,INVALID\ -j DROP --- snip --- Ugh. It doesn't look like much, but it's a good starting point, I think. > Any thoughts or comments? I need to get this video conferencing thing > worked out fairly soon. I am having them check on their end to make sure > they are sending video properly. I should know about that shortly as well. I'd wager that they are. Good luck with this. It's not exactly the simplest of tasks. Jima From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 2 14:32:24 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.2, Firewall, and NetMeeting In-Reply-To: <006001c27798$6ea29bc0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Randy Clarksean wrote: > As far as I can tell, there is presently no support for H.323 > (netmeeting and other packages) for IPTABLES, but I could be wrong > about that. If you patch your kernel with the NewNAT stuff, H.323 is supported. I've used the module for a few clients; it works fine. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Apr 2 16:25:38 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.2, Firewall, and NetMeeting In-Reply-To: <006001c27798$6ea29bc0$0201a8c0@office> References: <006001c27798$6ea29bc0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <1035217257.1488.11.camel@tanj> H.323 is what you get when you let telecommunications engineers design network communication protocols. :) It is in no way what-so-ever designed with NAT in mind, thus there is almost no support for it last time I checked, but from memory: There were nat modules for 2.2 kernels that kinda worked, if you stood on your head and did some voodoo. Modules for 2.4 kernels were kinda under development, but not in the kernels or in the offical iptables release. OpenH323.org had a proxy thing that I never got to work. Maybe they have something more useful now. I'd start here for resources. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030402/35c16d99/attachment.pgp From support at interactual.com Wed Apr 2 20:08:57 2003 From: support at interactual.com (support) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Happy Allhallowmas Message-ID: <200210212121.g9LLL3s16533@sprite.real-time.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been trying a couple of different modems and at this point Harddrake is saying that I have the internal modem installed but I don't. I have an external modem. How do I remove this hardware config and tell it to use the the external one? It's confusing to me that the system tells me I have a PCI modem but in fact it's and external modem and yet it still works... in the sense that it sending a signal to the external modem. The modem works on the win98 side. I have Mandrake 8.2 installed. From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 2 21:06:52 2003 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free computers References: Message-ID: <3DB47D4E.1000600@tc.umn.edu> How can I get my hands on one of those? I think you are at the U too - maybe we can connect during the daytime or late afternoon? Colin Kilbane wrote: >Hey folks I have 4 pentium 100 machines stacked up in the corner if any >one needs one. There is 1 ibm and 3 compaq deskpro systems. 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I'm just trying to > set up a fax server for my frat. > > > Thanks > Colin Kilbane > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Apr 3 05:07:15 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computerworld Linux articles Message-ID: Some interesting Linux articles: Wall St. Leans Toward Linux http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,75271,00.html SuSE Linux Unveils Business Groupware Server Product http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,75273,00.html Chrysler adopts Linux for vehicle crash testing http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,75294,00.html From john4293 at umn.edu Thu Apr 3 08:39:42 2003 From: john4293 at umn.edu (john4293) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems with wvstreams Message-ID: <200210222136.g9MLaUd00623@qix.software.umn.edu> hi all, has anyone had success building wvstreams-3.70 (for wvdial) with gcc-3.2? i've been having a devil of a time getting it to compile and googling hasn't been good for much other than telling me that i'm not the only one. i get the following error on compile: --> Making all in /tmp/wvstreams-3.70/src/ipstreams... g++ $_R_CXXFLAGS -c wvaddr.cc wvaddr.cc:641: prototype for `WvIPPortAddr::WvIPPortAddr(unsigned char*, short unsigned int)' does not match any in class `WvIPPortAddr' wvaddr.h:365: candidates are: WvIPPortAddr::WvIPPortAddr(const WvIPPortAddr&) wvaddr.h:382: WvIPPortAddr::WvIPPortAddr(sockaddr_in*) wvaddr.h:380: WvIPPortAddr::WvIPPortAddr(const char*, short unsigned int) wvaddr.h:379: WvIPPortAddr::WvIPPortAddr(short unsigned int) wvaddr.h:376: WvIPPortAddr::WvIPPortAddr(const WvString&) wvaddr.h:374: WvIPPortAddr::WvIPPortAddr(const char*) wvaddr.h:373: WvIPPortAddr::WvIPPortAddr(const WvIPAddr&, short unsigned int = 0) wvaddr.h:372: WvIPPortAddr::WvIPPortAddr(const unsigned char*, short unsigned int = 0) wvaddr.cc:634: WvIPPortAddr::WvIPPortAddr() make[2]: *** [wvaddr.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [ipstreams] Error 2 make: *** [src] Error 2 regards, Thomas Johnson john4293@tc.umn.edu 763.458.9071 (cell) --- *if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. *whatever happens, don't you dare say I brought it upon us. leave me out of your collective. 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A few minutes later, I've got a high speed link to the 'net, for $40/mo! I'm averaging 300-500ms latency.. not bad, considering. On downloads, I get I get 7-12kbytes/sec (it varies a lot), which I consider great speed. You also get a public IP address - IPSec works great. All in all, I highly recommend it! Kicks the crap out of VoiceStream's data stuff. Oh, my one recommendation - I picked up the Sanyo 4900, which is a nice phone. BUt their PC Connection Kit cost me $70. I looked on Sanyo's site, and you can pick up just a USB cable for $30 - much better deal, in my opinion. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jwickard at litriusgroup.com Fri Apr 4 09:38:50 2003 From: jwickard at litriusgroup.com (Joel Wickard) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] h e l p ! ? ! ? !?!?! References: Message-ID: <3DB7DA8F.9010701@litriusgroup.com> Wil Pike wrote: >Newbie here... I've been to 3 installfests so far with limited success at >each and attempted a Beer-Meeting (ugly results - had the wrong night or >something....). The last 2 Karl (Carl?) has assisted me (quite well, I might >add) - no, I don't know his last name, but the red-headed one. > >Anyway... I've watched the 'switch' Apple commercials for too long as I sit >thru yet ANOTHER 'download the Winders drivers' nightmare on a 'new' box >I've put together... I'll not bore (or would that be entice?) you with the >details at this point except to say it's pretty close to top-shelf >components across the board... Exasperation (being the combination of >'expitives' and 'perspiration') finally set in when I was unable to get the >thoughtfully-included software to operate either the CDRW OR the DVD drives. >I've been working under the mantra of 'Micro$oft-free by the end of 03', >trying to slowly slide into a comfort zone with Linux (started with >Mandrake, more recently with RH) doing dual-boot setups... (I HAVE >successfully setup an older 400Mhz machine as a RH-ONLY system, but that is >the extent of my 'good' luck with Linux so far... *sigh*). > >So (for the few of you that may still be following this rambling...)... it >now comes to this. My immediate past results have me ready to jump into the >great by and by of Linux where I will either fall to my death on the >rocks... or learn to fly. As it currently stands, however, I am seeking a >guru who works for pizza-and-beer prices to do a little tinkering on this >box to get it Linux-enabled dual-boot... I have no 'release-loyalty' that >couldn't be swayed by much more than 'my favorite release is...' as I REALLY >want to get this going!! (and, IMHO, it's a pretty cool stash of parts I've >acquired to make this thing go, so there'd be the fun of playing with it >once it was working...). > >I'll open the bidding at a 6-pack of your favorite barley-pop and (at least) >a small size of your favorite pizza... any takers? IF it matters to the >bidders, I live near 169/62 just outside Hopkins... *crossing fingers and >sitting back to wait on the bidding now...* > >Wil > >"If you are in that trade of helping others to laugh and to survive by >laughter, then you are privileged indeed." - Chuck Jones > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > exactly where by 169 & 62? I live in the 67XX block of Vernon ave, and can see the 169 + 62 junction from my sidewalk. ( from Norht-East section) From ali at alphacomputer.net Fri Apr 4 12:20:38 2003 From: ali at alphacomputer.net (ali) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030404/a65429d2/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: audio/x-midi Size: 88461 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030404/a65429d2/attachment.bin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've watched the 'switch' Apple commercials for too long as > I sit > thru yet ANOTHER 'download the Winders drivers' nightmare on a 'new' > box > I've put together... I'll not bore (or would that be entice?) you with > the > details at this point except to say it's pretty close to top-shelf > components across the board... Exasperation (being the combination of > 'expitives' and 'perspiration') finally set in when I was unable to > get the > thoughtfully-included software to operate either the CDRW OR the DVD > drives. > I've been working under the mantra of 'Micro$oft-free by the end of > 03', > trying to slowly slide into a comfort zone with Linux (started with > Mandrake, more recently with RH) doing dual-boot setups... (I HAVE > successfully setup an older 400Mhz machine as a RH-ONLY system, but > that is > the extent of my 'good' luck with Linux so far... *sigh*). > > So (for the few of you that may still be following this > rambling...)... it > now comes to this. My immediate past results have me ready to jump > into the > great by and by of Linux where I will either fall to my death on the > rocks... or learn to fly. As it currently stands, however, I am > seeking a > guru who works for pizza-and-beer prices to do a little tinkering on > this > box to get it Linux-enabled dual-boot... I have no 'release-loyalty' > that > couldn't be swayed by much more than 'my favorite release is...' as I > REALLY > want to get this going!! (and, IMHO, it's a pretty cool stash of parts > I've > acquired to make this thing go, so there'd be the fun of playing with > it > once it was working...). If you have one of us come fix your box, you won't learn anything. Hop in to the irc channel(s) #tclug on irc.openprojects.net and irc.oftc.org, there's all sorts of dorks in there who will help you out if you ask and appear to have read the fine manuals and given it a go yourself. Also, having done your research will assist you in asking the right questions. > I'll open the bidding at a 6-pack of your favorite barley-pop and (at > least) > a small size of your favorite pizza... any takers? IF it matters to the > bidders, I live near 169/62 just outside Hopkins... *crossing fingers > and > sitting back to wait on the bidding now...* Or say the hell with it and buy a mac. Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc http://www.sistina.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030404/a4aabe64/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Apr 4 13:25:22 2003 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hey... In-Reply-To: <000001c27aee$b47189a0$6701a8c0@luke> Message-ID: <4B041504-E762-11D6-B536-000393B93C2A@sistina.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030404/43c55050/attachment.pgp From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Apr 4 14:15:53 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printer lock-up Message-ID: <15800.7678.945245.714309@tsathoggua.mydomain> Argh. I HATE having to reboot; it makes me ashamed. Mandrake 8.2 Linux on an x86. Running both lpd and cupsd. But, periodically, when I have my machine offering cups services on my LAN, and they get used from across the LAN, printing hangs up. The queue shows a big goob and nothing happens. 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Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X In-Reply-To: <3DB9454B.1010101@stonel.com> References: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> <20021024154854.A1952@baker.space.umn.edu> <3DB8CEF8.1020104@quotidian.org> <3DB937BD.4090200@stonel.com> <3DB9454B.1010101@stonel.com> Message-ID: <20021025144039.GH8605@8ball.wox.org> On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 08:21:15AM -0500, Bob Gilbertson wrote: > Followup: > > Looks like lspci isn't in Knoppix package list :( > There is a pciutils tho, looks similar. > http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/pciutils.html lspci is actually part of the pciutils package: [magic(~)] dpkg -S /sbin/lspci pciutils: /sbin/lspci [magic(~)] -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He barely edged out Justin by only 3000 points. Although Bob had some great ideas, he only came up with 3 ideas, so he was disqualified from the competition. Now go and vote... http://www.mn-linux.org On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Brian wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > And since there might be more than one person interested, let's turn > > this into a contest. The one that responds with the 5 best polls wins. > > 1. My most frivolous use of IPv6 > 2. My refridgerator runs linux because > 2. The number that comes after 2 should be > 4. Most useful new feature of kernel 2.6 > 5. When people mention the 'other OS', I think they're talking about > > -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 21:52:02 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-Burning Question In-Reply-To: References: <20030416171043.29bddd70.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030416215056.6f2d8722.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:45:46 -0500 (CDT) Gerry wrote: > This is way possible, but I've never been able to figure out why > someone would want to do this. > > If you want a CD burned, eventually you will have to walk over to the > burner machine anyway. Why not just have a shared workstation that a > user can go to and burn their CD? > Thanks for all the tips on it everyone, I think I'll look into the various web interfaces and see what will work best. The reason why I want to do it this way is: 1) There's only one burner 2) The system that it's connected to is on a KVM switch which is connected to my desktop and about 7 other machines 3) I would rather not have to devote a machine to being a CD writer only when I have better uses for it. The writer will only be used maybe once a week. 4) I'm a cheap bastard, and want to save money 5) Keeps people physically off my system and finally.... 6) The more I dummy-proof it, and make it a simple "click here to create your CD" button the less chance there is that someone will mess it up. Particularly for those who are not technical. If it's a cgi/php script that's fine. I'm not worried about someone internally hacking the system. If it was on an untrusted network, it'd be a different story. As to having to go to the machine and put a CD in, true. But the plan is to always have a blank CD in, and when you go to take the burned one out replace it with a new one. There won't be a lot of users, under 5 typically. For this scenario, it seems to be the best way. They won't have command line access, and if it's a web script it's accessable by all who need it without having to install an X-server. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 21:54:01 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing Message-ID: <20030416220515.A11773@real-time.com> Testing From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 22:15:02 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing Message-ID: <20030416222057.A12593@real-time.com> Testing From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 16 22:21:06 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:04:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Testing Message-ID: <20030416221225.A12281@real-time.com> Testing