> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of SpencerUnderground> On
Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:28:11PM -0500, Chuck Cole wrote:

Sorry to be the messenger, but you don't seem to know the facts of life
about public groups.  Many don't.  I don't disagree with your goals for
simplicity, and have no interest in the stuffy things myself.  However, I
put up with them when necessary.  I'm not going to quit eating just because
I don't like TP.



> You would like to see someone accountable for the actions of
> the TCLUG,
> correct?

No: that's a legal and insurance requirement.  State and Fed laws affect
this.  The not-for-profit corporation becomes the "someone" in order to
remove responsibility from individuals.  There's a bit more to it, and maybe
a few options, but that's the short version.

> Then you would be able to contribute further to this [dis]
> Organization.  OK.  I understand your point of view.  I simply
> <strong>disagree</strong> with it.

There are many supportive things that cannot be done if involvement means
taking risk of being sued.  I don't think you have a clue of understanding,
but I share your opinions that it's a nuisance to deal with this stuff.

> To have a single point of failure, er,uh, to have a responsible
> person/entity be in control of the TCLUG would be against the
> morals of
> why it has survived since inception.  The point is not who is
> in charge,
> the point is how can I help my peers.  I truely don't believe
> you grasp
> this concept.

Sorry, but you're the one without a clue if you believe that:
1) satisfying state, fed, and insurance criteria hurts survival of an
organization, or
2) that having a defined means of governance means "a responsible person" is
one person or a human.

I fully agree with helping folks, etc.

Note that the major or lasting groups that do "good works" are actually
not-for-profit corporations.


This is not the forum to address these learning issues, and I'll leave it to
the herd to deal with survival as they see fit.
I'll try to ignore any other comments on the topic of organization and post
no more myself.

I think I agree with all your goals, but not the method of ignoring what it
takes to do it.

Regards,

Chuck